Re: [RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[Philip Williamson]

This is my thinking as well. Build up a rideable bike, and don’t worry 
about the “perfect.” When I saw you’d traded away a Minimoto, I thought, 
“Well there’s your problem right there.” If you went fixed, that’s all 
you’d even need. Cantis or Vs would be fine, brake levers and fixie wheels 
are dead cheap on Craigslist if your bike is 120 spaced, and 130 spaced 
road wheels are also pretty cheap and available. 

Ride the bike a bit, and then strip it and sell the pieces.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 5:30:41 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> It doesn't seem like you're that far off, just a few hours of wrenching 
> and you would have a rideable bike. Canti front, R559 rear, as a trial, and 
> use an existing rear wheel (if you have it) with spacer for the single 
> speed. Sometimes "good enough" is better than "just right."
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 1:43 PM Collin A  wrote:
>
>> Ok, so short story long:
>>
>> Bought a cool looking steel frame from a local shop that was built as 
>> part of a small-batch of prototypes for a project that never got off the 
>> ground. This was bought when I made the move from the hilly Bay Area to the 
>> flatlands of Sacramento, so I initially started building it as a single 
>> speed levee gravel bike, but clearance and braking (with long reach 
>> calipers) was a bit meh, especially when it got muddy (sticky clays out 
>> here vs. decomposed granular rock in the bay). So rather than be satisfied, 
>> I began the modifications planned, which included:
>>
>>- (achieved) A different fork with more clearance, fender mounts 
>>(cause why not?) and canti posts
>>- (achieved) Crimped stays for more clearance
>>- (TBD) Adding canti posts to frame, along with more crimping in the 
>>rear for even more clearance
>>- (TBD) building single speed dedicated wheel, and the original 
>>wheels are now sold
>>- (TBD) brakes, started with R559s, but then switched to mini-motos 
>>which I have since traded for some paul cantis to be used on the Appaloosa
>>- (TBD) Cockpit, have stem, bars and seatpost, but no brake levers 
>>(see above, currently do not have brakes option finalized)
>>- (Sorta figured out) Drivetrain, got the cranks/rings, pedals, but 
>>no freewheel yet.
>>
>> The use has since been changed now to also fit more of a commuter that I 
>> am more comfortable with locking up, along with a dedicated rack/basket 
>> combo and generally be a bike that I don't have to worry about as much when 
>> it comes to maintenance, storing inside, etc. but it is trending to be a 
>> more expensive bike than I'd like.
>>
>> The sticking issue in my mind was/is that ultimately, its not that unique 
>> of a bike in terms of features (fenders, cantis, 650x42 clearance, etc.) 
>> and I'm spending a decent amount of time and effort achieving that aspect. 
>> The visuals are unique and it rides nicely, but i'd rather have a unique 
>> feature bike than a unique looking one if I'm spending all this effort on 
>> it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Collin in Sactown
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Agree that knowing the project base would go a long way in understanding 
>>> how good the potential end result would be!  I am generally pretty 
>>> impatient when I get a new project going but bear in mind there are still 
>>> new-in-box Rivs from the mid-2000's popping up every now and again - there 
>>> is no deadline for this build beyond your own expectations.  If it's an 
>>> exciting build or something that would be very useful to you once complete, 
>>> I'd just hang it up and wait until you've got the budget, supply, and 
>>> bandwidth to finish it. Might be three months, might be three years - and 
>>> that's OK.  If you're not feeling that attachment, or need the liquid cash, 
>>> then maybe different story.  
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[RBW] Re: Blue Hillborne pics?

[David Baldi]

greenteadrinker,

I have Oracle Ridges on my Sam and I love them. The extra volume and the 
extra grab on the dirt (like your HRs, i'm sure) make the Sam such a fun 
trail bike. Clearance is tight but safe—though I have mine mounted on 
dyads, not cliffhangers. You could see some pictures here 
 if you are interested. 

David
On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 6:47:50 AM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> @Erik, ha, sneaky! With the 650b wheelset, have you noticed a difference 
> with toe overlap vs. the 700c wheelset? I've been considering mounting 48mm 
> Oracle Ridges on my Sam, currently, I have 43mm Rock n' Roads on the Sam, 
> and 42mm Hurricane Ridges on my Simple One, all mounted tubless on 
> Cliffhangers. Really love the smooth, quiet, and confident feel of 42mm 
> Hurricane Ridges, and they fit perfectly under V/O Zeppelin Fenders. For 
> reference, the Simple One has around the same clearance as the Sam. I'm 
> also wondering if there's justification to switch from 42mm to 48mm tires? 
> A larger volume of air, but less clearance? With the 48's I suppose there 
> would be more issue with toe overlap as well, you also lose the option of 
> fendering. Another idea I'm considering is a 42mm Hurricane Ridge upfront 
> and a 44mm Snoqualmie Pass in the back, could also put a 48mm Oracle Ridge 
> upfront with the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass in the back. I'm just thinking out 
> loud here, thanks for listening!
> Scott, Western MA via West Philly
>
> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 5:39:08 PM UTC-5 Erik Wright wrote:
>
>> Those are 27.5x2.1" Thunderburts on there, mounted to Velocity Dyads. I 
>> did a temporary 650b conversion on my Hillborne- I had a local framebuilder 
>> add canti posts at 650b height, then used Paul Motolites to switch between 
>> 650b and 700c. I'm back to 700c now rolling on 700x50 Gravelking SKs. Not 
>> sure if I'll ever really go back to 650b, but I like options.
>>
>> Clearance was very tight with the 27.5x2.1" and is equally tight with the 
>> 700x50mm. I think if I went back to 650b I'd do a 2"/50mm tire, but I'm not 
>> totally convinced there's a justifiable "why" for that right now.
>>
>> I've attached a photo of the bike in two other setups. Its current drop 
>> bar'd Gravelking setup, and a Choco bar'd Snoqualmie Pass'd setup I had for 
>> most of 2020.
>>
>> Erik, Philly
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 4:40:34 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> @Erik - what size Thunder Burts? Nice build!  -Scott
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 2:26:34 PM UTC-5 Erik Wright wrote:
>>>
 On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 1:01:28 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> [image: Sam_2019s.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 12:00:28 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> [image: SingleSpeedSam50.jpg]
>>
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 11:49:33 AM UTC-5 
>> zac.te...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone want to share their blue Sam pics? I just got a blue frame 
>>> and I'm looking for some inspiration!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS 30 issues of Bicycle Quarterly

[Thomas Lawnsby]

pending

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 6:20:23 PM UTC-8 Thomas Lawnsby wrote:

> Rehoming my collection of Bicycle Quarterly
> 30 issues
> $20, hoping for local pick up/meet up in Seattle area for now, will offer 
> via media mail in a few days if not claimed.
> All in good to great condition except 1 magazine in poor condition.
> Thanks!
>
> *Bicycle Quarterly:Volume 3 #4Volume 5 #2-4Volume 6 #1-3 ((#1 poor 
> condition))2008 Summer, Autumn2009 Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter2010 
> Spring, Summer, Autumn ]Volume 9 #2-4Volume 10 #1-4Volume 11 #1-4Volume 12 
> #3-4Volume 13 #1*
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Joe Bernard]

52cm Clem L, SF Bay Area, not $3287
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/richmond-clem-smith-jr/7251784108.html


On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 4:11:41 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> This thread is for Rivendells you've found on eBay, CraigsList, and sites 
> beyond: bikes in which you think someone here might be interested. This 
> thread isn't for posting ads to your own ad, it's just so people who are 
> searching or interested have a place to look, like, "Hey, check this out!" 
> Here are a few, from today's searches:
>
> 61cm Roadini
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/283940882590
>
> 58cm Quickbeam
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pinole-rivendell-quickbeam-58/7154380920.html
>
> 52cm Clementine
>
> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/richardson-rivendell-clementine/7130894748.html
>
> 65cm Redwood
>
> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-redwood/7153843392.html
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[RBW] FS 30 issues of Bicycle Quarterly

[Thomas Lawnsby]

Rehoming my collection of Bicycle Quarterly
30 issues
$20, hoping for local pick up/meet up in Seattle area for now, will offer 
via media mail in a few days if not claimed.
All in good to great condition except 1 magazine in poor condition.
Thanks!

*Bicycle Quarterly:Volume 3 #4Volume 5 #2-4Volume 6 #1-3 ((#1 poor 
condition))2008 Summer, Autumn2009 Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter2010 
Spring, Summer, Autumn ]Volume 9 #2-4Volume 10 #1-4Volume 11 #1-4Volume 12 
#3-4Volume 13 #1*

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Re: [RBW] Just pics of your good ride thread

[esoterica etc]

Jason,

Kudos on the composition of your pic, that's just a fantastic image. Well done 
and thanks for sharing. I used to live in Bellingham and took occasional trips 
to Vancouver and the surrounding areas, and I always enjoyed the beauty of the 
region and the friendliness of the people there. Cheers,

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Dec 23, 2020, at 20:26, Jason Fuller  wrote:
> 
> Cheers Patrick,  I really should keep in the habit of adding my location to 
> my sign-off.  I'm in Vancouver BC, aka the only temperate corner of Canada 
> where it was below freezing overnight (and very, very slippery in the 
> morning) but warmed to ~45F in the afternoon. We don't get a lot of snow here 
> but when we do, it's a mess because a) people aren't really used to it here 
> and b) being a wet snow that falls around the freezing mark (often crossing 
> back and forth), it is really really slippery compared to other places. I 
> could barely walk along the sidewalk at 8am, it was just a sheet of ice.  But 
> by afternoon things were pretty OK!  This particular location is Queen 
> Elizabeth Park, which rests atop one of the highest elevation spots in the 
> city, around 8km southeast of the downtown core.  
> 
> Cheers, 
> Jason in Vancouver BC 
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Re: [RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[Eric Daume]

It doesn't seem like you're that far off, just a few hours of wrenching and
you would have a rideable bike. Canti front, R559 rear, as a trial, and use
an existing rear wheel (if you have it) with spacer for the single speed.
Sometimes "good enough" is better than "just right."

Eric

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 1:43 PM Collin A  wrote:

> Ok, so short story long:
>
> Bought a cool looking steel frame from a local shop that was built as part
> of a small-batch of prototypes for a project that never got off the ground.
> This was bought when I made the move from the hilly Bay Area to the
> flatlands of Sacramento, so I initially started building it as a single
> speed levee gravel bike, but clearance and braking (with long reach
> calipers) was a bit meh, especially when it got muddy (sticky clays out
> here vs. decomposed granular rock in the bay). So rather than be satisfied,
> I began the modifications planned, which included:
>
>- (achieved) A different fork with more clearance, fender mounts
>(cause why not?) and canti posts
>- (achieved) Crimped stays for more clearance
>- (TBD) Adding canti posts to frame, along with more crimping in the
>rear for even more clearance
>- (TBD) building single speed dedicated wheel, and the original wheels
>are now sold
>- (TBD) brakes, started with R559s, but then switched to mini-motos
>which I have since traded for some paul cantis to be used on the Appaloosa
>- (TBD) Cockpit, have stem, bars and seatpost, but no brake levers
>(see above, currently do not have brakes option finalized)
>- (Sorta figured out) Drivetrain, got the cranks/rings, pedals, but no
>freewheel yet.
>
> The use has since been changed now to also fit more of a commuter that I
> am more comfortable with locking up, along with a dedicated rack/basket
> combo and generally be a bike that I don't have to worry about as much when
> it comes to maintenance, storing inside, etc. but it is trending to be a
> more expensive bike than I'd like.
>
> The sticking issue in my mind was/is that ultimately, its not that unique
> of a bike in terms of features (fenders, cantis, 650x42 clearance, etc.)
> and I'm spending a decent amount of time and effort achieving that aspect.
> The visuals are unique and it rides nicely, but i'd rather have a unique
> feature bike than a unique looking one if I'm spending all this effort on
> it.
>
> Cheers,
> Collin in Sactown
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Agree that knowing the project base would go a long way in understanding
>> how good the potential end result would be!  I am generally pretty
>> impatient when I get a new project going but bear in mind there are still
>> new-in-box Rivs from the mid-2000's popping up every now and again - there
>> is no deadline for this build beyond your own expectations.  If it's an
>> exciting build or something that would be very useful to you once complete,
>> I'd just hang it up and wait until you've got the budget, supply, and
>> bandwidth to finish it. Might be three months, might be three years - and
>> that's OK.  If you're not feeling that attachment, or need the liquid cash,
>> then maybe different story.
>
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Re: [RBW] Just pics of your good ride thread

[Jason Fuller]

Cheers Patrick,  I really should keep in the habit of adding my location to 
my sign-off.  I'm in Vancouver BC, aka the only temperate corner of Canada 
where it was below freezing overnight (and very, very slippery in the 
morning) but warmed to ~45F in the afternoon. We don't get a lot of snow 
here but when we do, it's a mess because a) people aren't really used to it 
here and b) being a wet snow that falls around the freezing mark (often 
crossing back and forth), it is really really slippery compared to other 
places. I could barely walk along the sidewalk at 8am, it was just a sheet 
of ice.  But by afternoon things were pretty OK!  This particular location 
is Queen Elizabeth Park, which rests atop one of the highest elevation 
spots in the city, around 8km southeast of the downtown core.  

Cheers, 
Jason in Vancouver BC 

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Re: [RBW] Re: When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[asc pgh]

I was going to say list your parts bin content here. You may be off your
feed for what money remains to be spent to realize your project but what
you have and might part with could be the crowning jewels for another's
project.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 6:10 PM Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I also have a few stalled project bikes. I have an Appaloosa too. Whenever
> I feel like riding, I ride the Appaloosa. The other bikes don't really see
> the same amount of miles. There's your problem right there.
>
> However, just make yourself a list of the parts you need to finish, your
> budget, and tools you need, and just put together the bike. We have eBay,
> so just buy stuff on ebay. Life is short.
>
> M
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 11:50:40 AM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Short story, I have a frame and fork I want to build up, but with the
>> COVID supply issues, and the rising costs of the project to reach
>> completion, I am starting to consider ending the project and selling the
>> parts I have been saving it for to try and recoup some of the costs.
>>
>> For those that have also thrown in the towel and moved on (to, most
>> likely, another bike project), what was the final straw? Any words of
>> wisdom to keep chugging along?
>>
>> Happy Festivus,
>> Collin, airing his grievances, in Sacramento
>>
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[RBW] Re: When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[Michael Morrissey]

Hey,

I also have a few stalled project bikes. I have an Appaloosa too. Whenever 
I feel like riding, I ride the Appaloosa. The other bikes don't really see 
the same amount of miles. There's your problem right there.

However, just make yourself a list of the parts you need to finish, your 
budget, and tools you need, and just put together the bike. We have eBay, 
so just buy stuff on ebay. Life is short.

M

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 11:50:40 AM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> Short story, I have a frame and fork I want to build up, but with the 
> COVID supply issues, and the rising costs of the project to reach 
> completion, I am starting to consider ending the project and selling the 
> parts I have been saving it for to try and recoup some of the costs.
>
> For those that have also thrown in the towel and moved on (to, most 
> likely, another bike project), what was the final straw? Any words of 
> wisdom to keep chugging along?
>
> Happy Festivus,
> Collin, airing his grievances, in Sacramento
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 54.5 Homer

[Robert Blunt]

Thanks Bill Lindsay!

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 4:59 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I typed "54.5cm a homer hilsen" into Bing and it came up with this listing:
>
> Rivendell Hilsen- 54.5cm - $2300 (Cap. Hill) | Bikes For Sale | Seattle,
> WA | Shoppok
> 
>
>
> $2300 complete.  Looks practically unridden and a Rivvish build.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:46:50 PM UTC-8 Robert Blunt wrote:
>
>> Hi Roberta,
>> Yeah, I am hoping somebody has one to let go!
>> Best,
>> Rob
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 1:29 AM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> It’s a great bike. I got mine as a second bike for my office rides but
>>> it is now my favorite.  Light (ish) and sprightly.
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 12:40:47 PM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote:
>>>
 Greetings everyone,
 I am looking for a 54.5 Homer frame if anyone is looking to move one. I
 don't care about the color. A Sam would also do but I would prefer a Homer.
 --Robert Blunt
 Pennington, NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 54.5 Homer

[Bill Lindsay]

I typed "54.5cm a homer hilsen" into Bing and it came up with this listing:

Rivendell Hilsen- 54.5cm - $2300 (Cap. Hill) | Bikes For Sale | Seattle, WA 
| Shoppok 

 

$2300 complete.  Looks practically unridden and a Rivvish build.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:46:50 PM UTC-8 Robert Blunt wrote:

> Hi Roberta,
> Yeah, I am hoping somebody has one to let go!
> Best,
> Rob
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 1:29 AM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> It’s a great bike. I got mine as a second bike for my office rides but it 
>> is now my favorite.  Light (ish) and sprightly. 
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 12:40:47 PM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings everyone,
>>> I am looking for a 54.5 Homer frame if anyone is looking to move one. I 
>>> don't care about the color. A Sam would also do but I would prefer a Homer.
>>> --Robert Blunt
>>> Pennington, NJ
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 54.5 Homer

[Robert Blunt]

Hi Roberta,
Yeah, I am hoping somebody has one to let go!
Best,
Rob

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 1:29 AM Roberta  wrote:

> It’s a great bike. I got mine as a second bike for my office rides but it
> is now my favorite.  Light (ish) and sprightly.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 12:40:47 PM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote:
>
>> Greetings everyone,
>> I am looking for a 54.5 Homer frame if anyone is looking to move one. I
>> don't care about the color. A Sam would also do but I would prefer a Homer.
>> --Robert Blunt
>> Pennington, NJ
>>
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[RBW] Re: Is there a Riv-like three speed currently in production?

[Linda G]

Thanks for the info on Handsome Cycles, Roberta and Tom. All the 3 speed 
info is also very useful. Whatever mixte frame I buy, I would like to set 
up some type of simpler drivetrain than what I have on my other 2 bikes, 
maybe not a 3 speed but a 1x of some kind. It's great to see all the 
possibilities.
Linda

On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 10:18:03 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> I have a 16 speed She Devil for my in town lock up, 38 mm marathon ( 
> supremes I believe) tires with sks fenders. It’s a quality bike at a decent 
> price. I did change the front flat stem to one with a rise.  I had looked ( 
> in person) at the other brands and she Devil seemed more sophisticated and 
> polished.  A few pounds lighter too. Great customer service. 
>
> I got mine in 2017 and if I had found this before finding Rivendell, I 
> would probably not be a Riv owner today. 
>
> Roberta 
> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 12:29:40 PM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:
>
>> I'm curious about the quality of the Handsome Cycles frames: welds, 
>> paint, amount of prep needed. I'm sure it's not up to Rivendell standards, 
>> maybe more like a Soma? I really like my Roadini and am in the market for a 
>> mixte. The Platypus checks most of my boxes but I want an in-town bike. I 
>> just don't need 50 mm tires and a wheelbase that looks like it will be 7" 
>> longer than my Roadini. It's more weight to lift around and more length to 
>> fit into small spaces. I'm tempted by the Handsome She-Devil.
>> Linda
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 5:48:27 AM UTC-8 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> Handsome Cycles if you prefer drops:  
>>> https://handsomecycles.com/products/limited-fredward-road-3-classic-black-tan
>>>
>>> Take a look at the Devil geometry on Bike Insights.  I have one and it's 
>>> very Sam-like.  Maybe even a little more stretched out.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
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[RBW] Re: When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[greenteadrinkers]

You might consider keeping your eyes open for a SimpleOne in your size. I 
sat on my SO frameset for like 8 years, finally built it out, and love it. 
It's basically single or two-speed Sam depending on how you set up the 
drivetrain. They generally seem to go under the radar, not as much love or 
desire as a QB, but, it's a killer frameset.

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 3:14:30 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I agree with the abandoners, it sounds like a lot of work and cash still 
> ahead of you for something you're just not that into. I'd cut bait and 
> sell. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 8:50:40 AM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Short story, I have a frame and fork I want to build up, but with the 
>> COVID supply issues, and the rising costs of the project to reach 
>> completion, I am starting to consider ending the project and selling the 
>> parts I have been saving it for to try and recoup some of the costs.
>>
>> For those that have also thrown in the towel and moved on (to, most 
>> likely, another bike project), what was the final straw? Any words of 
>> wisdom to keep chugging along?
>>
>> Happy Festivus,
>> Collin, airing his grievances, in Sacramento
>>
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[RBW] Re: When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[Joe Bernard]

I agree with the abandoners, it sounds like a lot of work and cash still 
ahead of you for something you're just not that into. I'd cut bait and 
sell. 

Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 8:50:40 AM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:

> Short story, I have a frame and fork I want to build up, but with the 
> COVID supply issues, and the rising costs of the project to reach 
> completion, I am starting to consider ending the project and selling the 
> parts I have been saving it for to try and recoup some of the costs.
>
> For those that have also thrown in the towel and moved on (to, most 
> likely, another bike project), what was the final straw? Any words of 
> wisdom to keep chugging along?
>
> Happy Festivus,
> Collin, airing his grievances, in Sacramento
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Re: [RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[Brian Witt]

Wow! timely question!  i am abandoning a project that stalled for a couple 
years.  I collected parts and then sourced a used frame that just wont 
accommodate the running gear properly.  and changes in my needs/ wants /  
physical abilities  have now  made the bike (even if finished)  not very 
enjoyable... all of which begs the question: do I sell off the stuff or 
stack it all up for some other day... i have a horrible time selling off 
bike parts!!!

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 2:31:07 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> +1 on not trying to turn a sports car into a pickup truck.
>
> --Eric Norris
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> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Dec 23, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> Sounds to me like you’re trying to transform the bike into something it 
> isn’t, and I doubt that a new fork, adding canti posts, crimping the stays, 
> etc. will alter that fundamental fact. I’d ditch it and start over with 
> something that meets your needs without requiring such extensive 
> modification. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Dec 23, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Collin A  wrote:
>
> Scott, that's exactly why I am thinking about abandonment now...I've 
> already spent so much time and effort and normally i'd think "what's a bit 
> more" but I've been screwed by that approach in the past (which eventually 
> prompted an involuntary career switch).
>
> Patrick/Jason, I agree that taking a break would be beneficial. But like a 
> FULL break for a couple months (no looking for parts, no brainstorming, 
> nothing). This thing has been bouncing around in my head for the past 5 
> months now, so I think a mental break would help clear the decision making 
> process as it relates to this bike.
>
> Still no decision though,
> Collin
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 11:03:38 AM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers 
> wrote:
>
>> Might be worth reading up on Sunk Cost Fallacy:
>>
>> https://time.com/5347133/sunk-cost-fallacy-decisions/
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:43:43 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, so short story long:
>>>
>>> Bought a cool looking steel frame from a local shop that was built as 
>>> part of a small-batch of prototypes for a project that never got off the 
>>> ground. This was bought when I made the move from the hilly Bay Area to the 
>>> flatlands of Sacramento, so I initially started building it as a single 
>>> speed levee gravel bike, but clearance and braking (with long reach 
>>> calipers) was a bit meh, especially when it got muddy (sticky clays out 
>>> here vs. decomposed granular rock in the bay). So rather than be satisfied, 
>>> I began the modifications planned, which included:
>>>
>>>- (achieved) A different fork with more clearance, fender mounts 
>>>(cause why not?) and canti posts
>>>- (achieved) Crimped stays for more clearance
>>>- (TBD) Adding canti posts to frame, along with more crimping in the 
>>>rear for even more clearance
>>>- (TBD) building single speed dedicated wheel, and the original 
>>>wheels are now sold
>>>- (TBD) brakes, started with R559s, but then switched to mini-motos 
>>>which I have since traded for some paul cantis to be used on the 
>>> Appaloosa
>>>- (TBD) Cockpit, have stem, bars and seatpost, but no brake levers 
>>>(see above, currently do not have brakes option finalized)
>>>- (Sorta figured out) Drivetrain, got the cranks/rings, pedals, but 
>>>no freewheel yet.
>>>
>>> The use has since been changed now to also fit more of a commuter that I 
>>> am more comfortable with locking up, along with a dedicated rack/basket 
>>> combo and generally be a bike that I don't have to worry about as much when 
>>> it comes to maintenance, storing inside, etc. but it is trending to be a 
>>> more expensive bike than I'd like.
>>>
>>> The sticking issue in my mind was/is that ultimately, its not that 
>>> unique of a bike in terms of features (fenders, cantis, 650x42 clearance, 
>>> etc.) and I'm spending a decent amount of time and effort achieving that 
>>> aspect. The visuals are unique and it rides nicely, but i'd rather have a 
>>> unique feature bike than a unique looking one if I'm spending all this 
>>> effort on it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Collin in Sactown
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Agree that knowing the project base would go a long way in 
 understanding how good the potential end result would be!  I am generally 
 pretty impatient when I get a new project going but bear in mind there are 
 still new-in-box Rivs from the mid-2000's popping up every now and again - 
 there is no deadline for this build beyond your own expectations.  If it's 
 an exciting build or something that would be very useful to you once 
 complete, I'd just hang it up and wait until you've got the budget, 

Re: [RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[Jason Fuller]

Thanks for the background; now it does sound like a square peg, round hole
situation in terms of fitting your needs - and since you can find just
about any combination of features you want these days in a steel frame, it
does seem a bit like you're taking the scenic route.

Still, could be cool to have a fully unique bike, but only if you're really
attached to that frame IMO, otherwise I'd sell it to someone whose needs it
already fits


On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 11:15 AM Collin A  wrote:

> Scott, that's exactly why I am thinking about abandonment now...I've
> already spent so much time and effort and normally i'd think "what's a bit
> more" but I've been screwed by that approach in the past (which eventually
> prompted an involuntary career switch).
>
> Patrick/Jason, I agree that taking a break would be beneficial. But like a
> FULL break for a couple months (no looking for parts, no brainstorming,
> nothing). This thing has been bouncing around in my head for the past 5
> months now, so I think a mental break would help clear the decision making
> process as it relates to this bike.
>
> Still no decision though,
> Collin
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 11:03:38 AM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers
> wrote:
>
>> Might be worth reading up on Sunk Cost Fallacy:
>>
>> https://time.com/5347133/sunk-cost-fallacy-decisions/
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:43:43 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, so short story long:
>>>
>>> Bought a cool looking steel frame from a local shop that was built as
>>> part of a small-batch of prototypes for a project that never got off the
>>> ground. This was bought when I made the move from the hilly Bay Area to the
>>> flatlands of Sacramento, so I initially started building it as a single
>>> speed levee gravel bike, but clearance and braking (with long reach
>>> calipers) was a bit meh, especially when it got muddy (sticky clays out
>>> here vs. decomposed granular rock in the bay). So rather than be satisfied,
>>> I began the modifications planned, which included:
>>>
>>>- (achieved) A different fork with more clearance, fender mounts
>>>(cause why not?) and canti posts
>>>- (achieved) Crimped stays for more clearance
>>>- (TBD) Adding canti posts to frame, along with more crimping in the
>>>rear for even more clearance
>>>- (TBD) building single speed dedicated wheel, and the original
>>>wheels are now sold
>>>- (TBD) brakes, started with R559s, but then switched to mini-motos
>>>which I have since traded for some paul cantis to be used on the 
>>> Appaloosa
>>>- (TBD) Cockpit, have stem, bars and seatpost, but no brake levers
>>>(see above, currently do not have brakes option finalized)
>>>- (Sorta figured out) Drivetrain, got the cranks/rings, pedals, but
>>>no freewheel yet.
>>>
>>> The use has since been changed now to also fit more of a commuter that I
>>> am more comfortable with locking up, along with a dedicated rack/basket
>>> combo and generally be a bike that I don't have to worry about as much when
>>> it comes to maintenance, storing inside, etc. but it is trending to be a
>>> more expensive bike than I'd like.
>>>
>>> The sticking issue in my mind was/is that ultimately, its not that
>>> unique of a bike in terms of features (fenders, cantis, 650x42 clearance,
>>> etc.) and I'm spending a decent amount of time and effort achieving that
>>> aspect. The visuals are unique and it rides nicely, but i'd rather have a
>>> unique feature bike than a unique looking one if I'm spending all this
>>> effort on it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Collin in Sactown
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Agree that knowing the project base would go a long way in
 understanding how good the potential end result would be!  I am generally
 pretty impatient when I get a new project going but bear in mind there are
 still new-in-box Rivs from the mid-2000's popping up every now and again -
 there is no deadline for this build beyond your own expectations.  If it's
 an exciting build or something that would be very useful to you once
 complete, I'd just hang it up and wait until you've got the budget, supply,
 and bandwidth to finish it. Might be three months, might be three years -
 and that's OK.  If you're not feeling that attachment, or need the liquid
 cash, then maybe different story.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[Garth]

Well you know Collin that'd be like Me saying I'm quitting bike riding 
because it's winter and I don't feel like bike riding today. 

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 11:57:18 AM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:

> Well, you’ll have to tell us more about the project.
> Also, thanks for the Cycle Cats rec!
>
> On Dec 23, 2020, at 08:50, Collin A  wrote:
>
> Short story, I have a frame and fork I want to build up, but with the 
> COVID supply issues, and the rising costs of the project to reach 
> completion, I am starting to consider ending the project and selling the 
> parts I have been saving it for to try and recoup some of the costs.
>
>
> For those that have also thrown in the towel and moved on (to, most 
> likely, another bike project), what was the final straw? Any words of 
> wisdom to keep chugging along?
>
> Happy Festivus,
> Collin, airing his grievances, in Sacramento
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[RBW] Re: Fender install on '96 All-rounder

[Craig Montgomery]

What great little doodahs. Just ordered a few of varying lengths just to 
have fun with them. 

Craig in Tucson

On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 8:43:36 PM UTC-7 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:

> Harth,
>
> From one All-Rounder owner to another, if you measure how long of a spacer 
> you need to bridge that gap, I may be able to send you a brass M5 standoff 
> of the correct length with M5 male and M5 female ends. Kind of like this 
> .
>  
> BTW, because All-Rounders have semi-horizontal dropouts (at least mine 
> does), you actually don't want to have too nice of a fender line or you may 
> not be able to remove the rear wheel without deflating the tire.
>
> I use standoffs with success on a few bikes to adjust the fender line (not 
> my All-Rounder, which is currently fenderless):
>
> [image: Standoff.jpg]
>
>
> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 10:55:05 AM UTC-8 har...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The chainstay bridge is pretty far away from the wheel on these old 
>> frames.  I'm about to install new fenders to replace the beat-up and 
>> butchered old ones I used for far too long.  I am thinking I'll just use a 
>> lengthy cylindrical bolt spacer to run from the bridge to the fender, but 
>> that seems like it will move around a lot.  If you have put fenders on one 
>> of these, what do you use?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Harth
>> Portland
>>
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Re: [RBW] Hi & Questions...

[Matthew Williams]

Welcome to the group, Philip!

Before I got my Appaloosa, I rode a 1985 Stumpjumper. The Stumpjumper was the 
modern, big-boy version of my old Schwinn and rode like a sports car--it was 
wonderfully responsive and nimble, and was perfect for someone with a spirited 
style of riding, but as I got older I realized my riding style had changed.

When I began researching bikes, I test-drove the Atlantis, the A. Homer Hilsen, 
the Sam Hillborne, and the Appaloosa. The AHH and the Sam had a light 
"road-and-town" country feel, while the Appaloosa and Atlantis felt like 
heavier cruiser/touring bikes. I bought an Atlantis frame for a build, but then 
I found a complete ride-ready Appaloosa so I sold the Stumpjumper and the 
Atlantis.

I didn't fully appreciate the Appaloosa's design until I rode it immediately 
after riding the Stumpjumper--of the two, I much prefer the Appaloosa's 
cruiser-like ride to the Stumpjumper's dirt-bike quickness. The Appaloosa's 
ride is perfect for my nearly-upright style of running errands, and 
long-distance rides on roads and dirt. I'm also tall, with long legs, so the 
Appaloosa's longer wheelbase and lower center of gravity are welcome upgrades 
from the sporty bikes I rode in my younger days.

Ultimately I think you'll be happy with the Appaloosa, AHH, Sam, or Atlantis 
for the rides you're describing. Please keep us posted, and send photos--the 
west coast of Scotland sounds like a fantastic trip!



On Dec 3, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:

> New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson bike 
> already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is the 
> West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & graded 
> dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I like to 
> ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most comfortable on the 
> hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist bikepacking overnights.
> 
> From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam Hillborne or 
> Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also recommended the 
> Appaloosa.
> 
> I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them & thanks 
> in advance for any advice you can give.
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

+1 on not trying to turn a sports car into a pickup truck.

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> On Dec 23, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
> 
> Sounds to me like you’re trying to transform the bike into something it 
> isn’t, and I doubt that a new fork, adding canti posts, crimping the stays, 
> etc. will alter that fundamental fact. I’d ditch it and start over with 
> something that meets your needs without requiring such extensive 
> modification. 
> 
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
> 
> Sent from my Atari 400
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Collin A  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, that's exactly why I am thinking about abandonment now...I've 
>> already spent so much time and effort and normally i'd think "what's a bit 
>> more" but I've been screwed by that approach in the past (which eventually 
>> prompted an involuntary career switch).
>> 
>> Patrick/Jason, I agree that taking a break would be beneficial. But like a 
>> FULL break for a couple months (no looking for parts, no brainstorming, 
>> nothing). This thing has been bouncing around in my head for the past 5 
>> months now, so I think a mental break would help clear the decision making 
>> process as it relates to this bike.
>> 
>> Still no decision though,
>> Collin
>> 
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 11:03:38 AM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>> Might be worth reading up on Sunk Cost Fallacy:
>> 
>> https://time.com/5347133/sunk-cost-fallacy-decisions/ 
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost 
>> 
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:43:43 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>> Ok, so short story long:
>> 
>> Bought a cool looking steel frame from a local shop that was built as part 
>> of a small-batch of prototypes for a project that never got off the ground. 
>> This was bought when I made the move from the hilly Bay Area to the 
>> flatlands of Sacramento, so I initially started building it as a single 
>> speed levee gravel bike, but clearance and braking (with long reach 
>> calipers) was a bit meh, especially when it got muddy (sticky clays out here 
>> vs. decomposed granular rock in the bay). So rather than be satisfied, I 
>> began the modifications planned, which included:
>> (achieved) A different fork with more clearance, fender mounts (cause why 
>> not?) and canti posts
>> (achieved) Crimped stays for more clearance
>> (TBD) Adding canti posts to frame, along with more crimping in the rear for 
>> even more clearance
>> (TBD) building single speed dedicated wheel, and the original wheels are now 
>> sold
>> (TBD) brakes, started with R559s, but then switched to mini-motos which I 
>> have since traded for some paul cantis to be used on the Appaloosa
>> (TBD) Cockpit, have stem, bars and seatpost, but no brake levers (see above, 
>> currently do not have brakes option finalized)
>> (Sorta figured out) Drivetrain, got the cranks/rings, pedals, but no 
>> freewheel yet.
>> The use has since been changed now to also fit more of a commuter that I am 
>> more comfortable with locking up, along with a dedicated rack/basket combo 
>> and generally be a bike that I don't have to worry about as much when it 
>> comes to maintenance, storing inside, etc. but it is trending to be a more 
>> expensive bike than I'd like.
>> 
>> The sticking issue in my mind was/is that ultimately, its not that unique of 
>> a bike in terms of features (fenders, cantis, 650x42 clearance, etc.) and 
>> I'm spending a decent amount of time and effort achieving that aspect. The 
>> visuals are unique and it rides nicely, but i'd rather have a unique feature 
>> bike than a unique looking one if I'm spending all this effort on it.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Collin in Sactown
>> 
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>> Agree that knowing the project base would go a long way in understanding how 
>> good the potential end result would be!  I am generally pretty impatient 
>> when I get a new project going but bear in mind there are still new-in-box 
>> Rivs from the mid-2000's popping up every now and again - there is no 
>> deadline for this build beyond your own expectations.  If it's an exciting 
>> build or something that would be very useful to you once complete, I'd just 
>> hang it up and wait until you've got the budget, supply, and bandwidth to 
>> finish it. Might be three months, might be three years - and that's OK.  If 
>> you're not feeling that attachment, or need the liquid cash, then maybe 
>> different story.  
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Re: [RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[Jay Lonner]

Sounds to me like you’re trying to transform the bike into something it isn’t, 
and I doubt that a new fork, adding canti posts, crimping the stays, etc. will 
alter that fundamental fact. I’d ditch it and start over with something that 
meets your needs without requiring such extensive modification. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

> On Dec 23, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Collin A  wrote:
> 
> Scott, that's exactly why I am thinking about abandonment now...I've already 
> spent so much time and effort and normally i'd think "what's a bit more" but 
> I've been screwed by that approach in the past (which eventually prompted an 
> involuntary career switch).
> 
> Patrick/Jason, I agree that taking a break would be beneficial. But like a 
> FULL break for a couple months (no looking for parts, no brainstorming, 
> nothing). This thing has been bouncing around in my head for the past 5 
> months now, so I think a mental break would help clear the decision making 
> process as it relates to this bike.
> 
> Still no decision though,
> Collin
> 
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 11:03:38 AM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>> Might be worth reading up on Sunk Cost Fallacy:
>> 
>> https://time.com/5347133/sunk-cost-fallacy-decisions/
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:43:43 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>>> Ok, so short story long:
>>> 
>>> Bought a cool looking steel frame from a local shop that was built as part 
>>> of a small-batch of prototypes for a project that never got off the ground. 
>>> This was bought when I made the move from the hilly Bay Area to the 
>>> flatlands of Sacramento, so I initially started building it as a single 
>>> speed levee gravel bike, but clearance and braking (with long reach 
>>> calipers) was a bit meh, especially when it got muddy (sticky clays out 
>>> here vs. decomposed granular rock in the bay). So rather than be satisfied, 
>>> I began the modifications planned, which included:
>>> (achieved) A different fork with more clearance, fender mounts (cause why 
>>> not?) and canti posts
>>> (achieved) Crimped stays for more clearance
>>> (TBD) Adding canti posts to frame, along with more crimping in the rear for 
>>> even more clearance
>>> (TBD) building single speed dedicated wheel, and the original wheels are 
>>> now sold
>>> (TBD) brakes, started with R559s, but then switched to mini-motos which I 
>>> have since traded for some paul cantis to be used on the Appaloosa
>>> (TBD) Cockpit, have stem, bars and seatpost, but no brake levers (see 
>>> above, currently do not have brakes option finalized)
>>> (Sorta figured out) Drivetrain, got the cranks/rings, pedals, but no 
>>> freewheel yet.
>>> The use has since been changed now to also fit more of a commuter that I am 
>>> more comfortable with locking up, along with a dedicated rack/basket combo 
>>> and generally be a bike that I don't have to worry about as much when it 
>>> comes to maintenance, storing inside, etc. but it is trending to be a more 
>>> expensive bike than I'd like.
>>> 
>>> The sticking issue in my mind was/is that ultimately, its not that unique 
>>> of a bike in terms of features (fenders, cantis, 650x42 clearance, etc.) 
>>> and I'm spending a decent amount of time and effort achieving that aspect. 
>>> The visuals are unique and it rides nicely, but i'd rather have a unique 
>>> feature bike than a unique looking one if I'm spending all this effort on 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Collin in Sactown
>>> 
 On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
 Agree that knowing the project base would go a long way in understanding 
 how good the potential end result would be!  I am generally pretty 
 impatient when I get a new project going but bear in mind there are still 
 new-in-box Rivs from the mid-2000's popping up every now and again - there 
 is no deadline for this build beyond your own expectations.  If it's an 
 exciting build or something that would be very useful to you once 
 complete, I'd just hang it up and wait until you've got the budget, 
 supply, and bandwidth to finish it. Might be three months, might be three 
 years - and that's OK.  If you're not feeling that attachment, or need the 
 liquid cash, then maybe different story.  
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[RBW] Re: Hi & Questions...

[greenteadrinkers]

Aside from a Sam, just to throw a curveball... I'd also consider a Crust 
Bombora.

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:23:46 PM UTC-5 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:

> Hi Philip,
>
> Welcome to the bunch!  I have previously owned Atlantis (50cm) and 
> Appaloosas (46 and 51).  Have ridden friend's 51cm Hillborne a few times. 
>  Currently own a Roadini and a Susie.
>
> Appaloosa would be more versatile than Sam.   Both are real fun bikes.  If 
> want to turn the knob slightly toward roadish, Sam would fit the bill. 
>  Appa is more gravel kind, also behaves relatively better for loaded rides. 
>  If you want to turn the knob even more to the right, Susie/Wolbis is an 
> excellent experience.  With Susie you give up some speed, but in return you 
> get more comfort, stability and utility.
>
> See you around,
>
> Ash
>
> On Wednesday, 9 December 2020 at 23:52:31 UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson bike 
>> already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
>> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is 
>> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & 
>> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I 
>> like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most 
>> comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist bikepacking 
>> overnights.
>>
>> From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam Hillborne 
>> or Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also recommended 
>> the Appaloosa.
>>
>> I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them & 
>> thanks in advance for any advice you can give.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2020-12-03 at 8.03.40 AM.png]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[Collin A]

Scott, that's exactly why I am thinking about abandonment now...I've 
already spent so much time and effort and normally i'd think "what's a bit 
more" but I've been screwed by that approach in the past (which eventually 
prompted an involuntary career switch).

Patrick/Jason, I agree that taking a break would be beneficial. But like a 
FULL break for a couple months (no looking for parts, no brainstorming, 
nothing). This thing has been bouncing around in my head for the past 5 
months now, so I think a mental break would help clear the decision making 
process as it relates to this bike.

Still no decision though,
Collin

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 11:03:38 AM UTC-8 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Might be worth reading up on Sunk Cost Fallacy:
>
> https://time.com/5347133/sunk-cost-fallacy-decisions/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost
>
> Scott
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:43:43 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>
>> Ok, so short story long:
>>
>> Bought a cool looking steel frame from a local shop that was built as 
>> part of a small-batch of prototypes for a project that never got off the 
>> ground. This was bought when I made the move from the hilly Bay Area to the 
>> flatlands of Sacramento, so I initially started building it as a single 
>> speed levee gravel bike, but clearance and braking (with long reach 
>> calipers) was a bit meh, especially when it got muddy (sticky clays out 
>> here vs. decomposed granular rock in the bay). So rather than be satisfied, 
>> I began the modifications planned, which included:
>>
>>- (achieved) A different fork with more clearance, fender mounts 
>>(cause why not?) and canti posts
>>- (achieved) Crimped stays for more clearance
>>- (TBD) Adding canti posts to frame, along with more crimping in the 
>>rear for even more clearance
>>- (TBD) building single speed dedicated wheel, and the original 
>>wheels are now sold
>>- (TBD) brakes, started with R559s, but then switched to mini-motos 
>>which I have since traded for some paul cantis to be used on the Appaloosa
>>- (TBD) Cockpit, have stem, bars and seatpost, but no brake levers 
>>(see above, currently do not have brakes option finalized)
>>- (Sorta figured out) Drivetrain, got the cranks/rings, pedals, but 
>>no freewheel yet.
>>
>> The use has since been changed now to also fit more of a commuter that I 
>> am more comfortable with locking up, along with a dedicated rack/basket 
>> combo and generally be a bike that I don't have to worry about as much when 
>> it comes to maintenance, storing inside, etc. but it is trending to be a 
>> more expensive bike than I'd like.
>>
>> The sticking issue in my mind was/is that ultimately, its not that unique 
>> of a bike in terms of features (fenders, cantis, 650x42 clearance, etc.) 
>> and I'm spending a decent amount of time and effort achieving that aspect. 
>> The visuals are unique and it rides nicely, but i'd rather have a unique 
>> feature bike than a unique looking one if I'm spending all this effort on 
>> it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Collin in Sactown
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Agree that knowing the project base would go a long way in understanding 
>>> how good the potential end result would be!  I am generally pretty 
>>> impatient when I get a new project going but bear in mind there are still 
>>> new-in-box Rivs from the mid-2000's popping up every now and again - there 
>>> is no deadline for this build beyond your own expectations.  If it's an 
>>> exciting build or something that would be very useful to you once complete, 
>>> I'd just hang it up and wait until you've got the budget, supply, and 
>>> bandwidth to finish it. Might be three months, might be three years - and 
>>> that's OK.  If you're not feeling that attachment, or need the liquid cash, 
>>> then maybe different story.  
>>
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Re: [RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[greenteadrinkers]

Might be worth reading up on Sunk Cost Fallacy:

https://time.com/5347133/sunk-cost-fallacy-decisions/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost

Scott

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:43:43 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> Ok, so short story long:
>
> Bought a cool looking steel frame from a local shop that was built as part 
> of a small-batch of prototypes for a project that never got off the ground. 
> This was bought when I made the move from the hilly Bay Area to the 
> flatlands of Sacramento, so I initially started building it as a single 
> speed levee gravel bike, but clearance and braking (with long reach 
> calipers) was a bit meh, especially when it got muddy (sticky clays out 
> here vs. decomposed granular rock in the bay). So rather than be satisfied, 
> I began the modifications planned, which included:
>
>- (achieved) A different fork with more clearance, fender mounts 
>(cause why not?) and canti posts
>- (achieved) Crimped stays for more clearance
>- (TBD) Adding canti posts to frame, along with more crimping in the 
>rear for even more clearance
>- (TBD) building single speed dedicated wheel, and the original wheels 
>are now sold
>- (TBD) brakes, started with R559s, but then switched to mini-motos 
>which I have since traded for some paul cantis to be used on the Appaloosa
>- (TBD) Cockpit, have stem, bars and seatpost, but no brake levers 
>(see above, currently do not have brakes option finalized)
>- (Sorta figured out) Drivetrain, got the cranks/rings, pedals, but no 
>freewheel yet.
>
> The use has since been changed now to also fit more of a commuter that I 
> am more comfortable with locking up, along with a dedicated rack/basket 
> combo and generally be a bike that I don't have to worry about as much when 
> it comes to maintenance, storing inside, etc. but it is trending to be a 
> more expensive bike than I'd like.
>
> The sticking issue in my mind was/is that ultimately, its not that unique 
> of a bike in terms of features (fenders, cantis, 650x42 clearance, etc.) 
> and I'm spending a decent amount of time and effort achieving that aspect. 
> The visuals are unique and it rides nicely, but i'd rather have a unique 
> feature bike than a unique looking one if I'm spending all this effort on 
> it.
>
> Cheers,
> Collin in Sactown
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Agree that knowing the project base would go a long way in understanding 
>> how good the potential end result would be!  I am generally pretty 
>> impatient when I get a new project going but bear in mind there are still 
>> new-in-box Rivs from the mid-2000's popping up every now and again - there 
>> is no deadline for this build beyond your own expectations.  If it's an 
>> exciting build or something that would be very useful to you once complete, 
>> I'd just hang it up and wait until you've got the budget, supply, and 
>> bandwidth to finish it. Might be three months, might be three years - and 
>> that's OK.  If you're not feeling that attachment, or need the liquid cash, 
>> then maybe different story.  
>
>

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Re: [RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[Patrick Moore]

As someone who very easily gets frustrated when things don't happen fast,
I've found that abandoning a project temporarily, say for 1 or 3 or 6
months, can bring me back with interest to the project. So the question is,
is the project really valuable to you; IOW, would the result really be
useful or fun or both, or would it be just another overlapping bike? For
example, could you really use a lockable but fun to ride beater?

If the former, then I'd personally hang it up for a while and pick it up
again, while keeping any eye out for the needed parts at low used prices.

FWIW, I also find that procrastinating on a major project, like a custom,
and talking about it a great deal onlist helps a great deal to sort out
what I really want; that's why the Matthews 3 speed/fixed gear (2 wheel
options) road bike took 3 or 4 years from idea to delivery; and the wait
was worth it.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 11:43 AM Collin A  wrote:

> Ok, so short story long:
>
> Bought a cool looking steel frame from a local shop that was built as part
> of a small-batch of prototypes for a project that never got off the ground.
> This was bought when I made the move from the hilly Bay Area to the
> flatlands of Sacramento, so I initially started building it as a single
> speed levee gravel bike, but clearance and braking (with long reach
> calipers) was a bit meh, especially when it got muddy (sticky clays out
> here vs. decomposed granular rock in the bay). So rather than be satisfied,
> I began the modifications planned, which included:
>
>- (achieved) A different fork with more clearance, fender mounts
>(cause why not?) and canti posts
>- (achieved) Crimped stays for more clearance
>- (TBD) Adding canti posts to frame, along with more crimping in the
>rear for even more clearance
>- (TBD) building single speed dedicated wheel, and the original wheels
>are now sold
>- (TBD) brakes, started with R559s, but then switched to mini-motos
>which I have since traded for some paul cantis to be used on the Appaloosa
>- (TBD) Cockpit, have stem, bars and seatpost, but no brake levers
>(see above, currently do not have brakes option finalized)
>- (Sorta figured out) Drivetrain, got the cranks/rings, pedals, but no
>freewheel yet.
>
> The use has since been changed now to also fit more of a commuter that I
> am more comfortable with locking up, along with a dedicated rack/basket
> combo and generally be a bike that I don't have to worry about as much when
> it comes to maintenance, storing inside, etc. but it is trending to be a
> more expensive bike than I'd like.
>
> The sticking issue in my mind was/is that ultimately, its not that unique
> of a bike in terms of features (fenders, cantis, 650x42 clearance, etc.)
> and I'm spending a decent amount of time and effort achieving that aspect.
> The visuals are unique and it rides nicely, but i'd rather have a unique
> feature bike than a unique looking one if I'm spending all this effort on
> it.
>
> Cheers,
> Collin in Sactown
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Agree that knowing the project base would go a long way in understanding
>> how good the potential end result would be!  I am generally pretty
>> impatient when I get a new project going but bear in mind there are still
>> new-in-box Rivs from the mid-2000's popping up every now and again - there
>> is no deadline for this build beyond your own expectations.  If it's an
>> exciting build or something that would be very useful to you once complete,
>> I'd just hang it up and wait until you've got the budget, supply, and
>> bandwidth to finish it. Might be three months, might be three years - and
>> that's OK.  If you're not feeling that attachment, or need the liquid cash,
>> then maybe different story.
>
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Re: [RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[Collin A]

Ok, so short story long:

Bought a cool looking steel frame from a local shop that was built as part 
of a small-batch of prototypes for a project that never got off the ground. 
This was bought when I made the move from the hilly Bay Area to the 
flatlands of Sacramento, so I initially started building it as a single 
speed levee gravel bike, but clearance and braking (with long reach 
calipers) was a bit meh, especially when it got muddy (sticky clays out 
here vs. decomposed granular rock in the bay). So rather than be satisfied, 
I began the modifications planned, which included:

   - (achieved) A different fork with more clearance, fender mounts (cause 
   why not?) and canti posts
   - (achieved) Crimped stays for more clearance
   - (TBD) Adding canti posts to frame, along with more crimping in the 
   rear for even more clearance
   - (TBD) building single speed dedicated wheel, and the original wheels 
   are now sold
   - (TBD) brakes, started with R559s, but then switched to mini-motos 
   which I have since traded for some paul cantis to be used on the Appaloosa
   - (TBD) Cockpit, have stem, bars and seatpost, but no brake levers (see 
   above, currently do not have brakes option finalized)
   - (Sorta figured out) Drivetrain, got the cranks/rings, pedals, but no 
   freewheel yet.

The use has since been changed now to also fit more of a commuter that I am 
more comfortable with locking up, along with a dedicated rack/basket combo 
and generally be a bike that I don't have to worry about as much when it 
comes to maintenance, storing inside, etc. but it is trending to be a more 
expensive bike than I'd like.

The sticking issue in my mind was/is that ultimately, its not that unique 
of a bike in terms of features (fenders, cantis, 650x42 clearance, etc.) 
and I'm spending a decent amount of time and effort achieving that aspect. 
The visuals are unique and it rides nicely, but i'd rather have a unique 
feature bike than a unique looking one if I'm spending all this effort on 
it.

Cheers,
Collin in Sactown

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Agree that knowing the project base would go a long way in understanding 
> how good the potential end result would be!  I am generally pretty 
> impatient when I get a new project going but bear in mind there are still 
> new-in-box Rivs from the mid-2000's popping up every now and again - there 
> is no deadline for this build beyond your own expectations.  If it's an 
> exciting build or something that would be very useful to you once complete, 
> I'd just hang it up and wait until you've got the budget, supply, and 
> bandwidth to finish it. Might be three months, might be three years - and 
> that's OK.  If you're not feeling that attachment, or need the liquid cash, 
> then maybe different story.  

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[RBW] Re: Hi & Questions...

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

Hi Philip,

Welcome to the bunch!  I have previously owned Atlantis (50cm) and 
Appaloosas (46 and 51).  Have ridden friend's 51cm Hillborne a few times. 
 Currently own a Roadini and a Susie.

Appaloosa would be more versatile than Sam.   Both are real fun bikes.  If 
want to turn the knob slightly toward roadish, Sam would fit the bill. 
 Appa is more gravel kind, also behaves relatively better for loaded rides. 
 If you want to turn the knob even more to the right, Susie/Wolbis is an 
excellent experience.  With Susie you give up some speed, but in return you 
get more comfort, stability and utility.

See you around,

Ash

On Wednesday, 9 December 2020 at 23:52:31 UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson bike 
> already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is 
> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & 
> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I 
> like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most 
> comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist bikepacking 
> overnights.
>
> From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam Hillborne 
> or Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also recommended 
> the Appaloosa.
>
> I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them & 
> thanks in advance for any advice you can give.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2020-12-03 at 8.03.40 AM.png]
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[RBW] Re: Hi & Questions...

[Jason Fuller]

Not that you need another vote for Sam at this point, but I'll give one 
anyway.  I think you'd find the Appaloosa to be too sluggish for your 
riding style, but the Hillborne totally suits a spirited riding style while 
being plenty capable for your camping plans. 

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Re: [RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[Jason Fuller]

Agree that knowing the project base would go a long way in understanding 
how good the potential end result would be!  I am generally pretty 
impatient when I get a new project going but bear in mind there are still 
new-in-box Rivs from the mid-2000's popping up every now and again - there 
is no deadline for this build beyond your own expectations.  If it's an 
exciting build or something that would be very useful to you once complete, 
I'd just hang it up and wait until you've got the budget, supply, and 
bandwidth to finish it. Might be three months, might be three years - and 
that's OK.  If you're not feeling that attachment, or need the liquid cash, 
then maybe different story.  

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[RBW] Re: Clem H 52 gone in record time. Who is the lucky winner?

[Jason Fuller]

Ha I noticed your speed too Brent!  I got the email and immediately look at 
the Riv site, saw it listed.. I wasn't planning on buying it but I can't 
say I don't love the idea of a 52 Clem (the 45 was too small for me so I've 
passed it along), but I noticed when i navigated back to that page just a 
few minutes later it was gone and I smiled to myself knowing someone else 
was all over it  

On Tuesday, 22 December 2020 at 08:49:03 UTC-8 Brent B wrote:

> That was me! I saw the email and snapped into action immediately, I think 
> I checked out in less than 60 seconds. I just missed a green Clem H that a 
> list member was selling a while back, and almost bought a Clem L in the 
> meantime so I was 100% ready to pull the trigger. Third time's the charm!
>
> This will be Riv #2 (#1 is a long-chainstay Atlantis). It's also the 
> perfect excuse for me to pass on my canti brake All City Space Horse to a 
> friend who's ready to upgrade his ride.
>
> Best of luck finding the next Riv!
> -Brent
>
> On Friday, 18 December 2020 at 19:39:44 UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Well, that was quick!  Got an email that there was one final Clem H 52cm 
>> available at 310pm and it was gone by 319pm.  I was considering buying for 
>> a friend who is looking for that exact bike.  Not only was it marked down 
>> from $900 to $800, but there was a $100 credit if purchased before 12/31.  
>> Somebody out there is real stoked and with good reason.  I think it had the 
>> sloped seatstays, too.   Sheesh, this collecting Rivs is feeling eerily 
>> like collecting baseball cards 25 years ago.  When do you know you don't 
>> need anymore precious steel bicycles?
>
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Re: [RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[luckyturnip]

Well, you’ll have to tell us more about the project.
Also, thanks for the Cycle Cats rec!

> On Dec 23, 2020, at 08:50, Collin A  wrote:
> 
> Short story, I have a frame and fork I want to build up, but with the COVID 
> supply issues, and the rising costs of the project to reach completion, I am 
> starting to consider ending the project and selling the parts I have been 
> saving it for to try and recoup some of the costs.
> 
> For those that have also thrown in the towel and moved on (to, most likely, 
> another bike project), what was the final straw? Any words of wisdom to keep 
> chugging along?
> 
> Happy Festivus,
> Collin, airing his grievances, in Sacramento
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[RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[Collin A]

Short story, I have a frame and fork I want to build up, but with the COVID 
supply issues, and the rising costs of the project to reach completion, I 
am starting to consider ending the project and selling the parts I have 
been saving it for to try and recoup some of the costs.

For those that have also thrown in the towel and moved on (to, most likely, 
another bike project), what was the final straw? Any words of wisdom to 
keep chugging along?

Happy Festivus,
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[RBW] Re: Blue Hillborne pics?

[greenteadrinkers]

@Erik, ha, sneaky! With the 650b wheelset, have you noticed a difference 
with toe overlap vs. the 700c wheelset? I've been considering mounting 48mm 
Oracle Ridges on my Sam, currently, I have 43mm Rock n' Roads on the Sam, 
and 42mm Hurricane Ridges on my Simple One, all mounted tubless on 
Cliffhangers. Really love the smooth, quiet, and confident feel of 42mm 
Hurricane Ridges, and they fit perfectly under V/O Zeppelin Fenders. For 
reference, the Simple One has around the same clearance as the Sam. I'm 
also wondering if there's justification to switch from 42mm to 48mm tires? 
A larger volume of air, but less clearance? With the 48's I suppose there 
would be more issue with toe overlap as well, you also lose the option of 
fendering. Another idea I'm considering is a 42mm Hurricane Ridge upfront 
and a 44mm Snoqualmie Pass in the back, could also put a 48mm Oracle Ridge 
upfront with the 44mm Snoqualmie Pass in the back. I'm just thinking out 
loud here, thanks for listening!
Scott, Western MA via West Philly

On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 5:39:08 PM UTC-5 Erik Wright wrote:

> Those are 27.5x2.1" Thunderburts on there, mounted to Velocity Dyads. I 
> did a temporary 650b conversion on my Hillborne- I had a local framebuilder 
> add canti posts at 650b height, then used Paul Motolites to switch between 
> 650b and 700c. I'm back to 700c now rolling on 700x50 Gravelking SKs. Not 
> sure if I'll ever really go back to 650b, but I like options.
>
> Clearance was very tight with the 27.5x2.1" and is equally tight with the 
> 700x50mm. I think if I went back to 650b I'd do a 2"/50mm tire, but I'm not 
> totally convinced there's a justifiable "why" for that right now.
>
> I've attached a photo of the bike in two other setups. Its current drop 
> bar'd Gravelking setup, and a Choco bar'd Snoqualmie Pass'd setup I had for 
> most of 2020.
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 4:40:34 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> @Erik - what size Thunder Burts? Nice build!  -Scott
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 2:26:34 PM UTC-5 Erik Wright wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 1:01:28 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
 [image: Sam_2019s.jpg]

 On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 12:00:28 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> [image: SingleSpeedSam50.jpg]
>
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 11:49:33 AM UTC-5 zac.te...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone want to share their blue Sam pics? I just got a blue frame and 
>> I'm looking for some inspiration!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is there a Riv-like three speed currently in production?

[Patrick Moore]

There you go!

But I just don't see the reason for 3 chainrings instead of multiple cogs:
more complication and weight and harder to shift.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 4:15 AM Eric Daume  wrote:

> I've tried that, as a way to simulate having the typical three speed
> ratios. But I quickly found I wanted a lower gear, and a higher gear, and a
> few more steps in between, and before you know it, I was at 8 or 9!
>
> Eric
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[RBW] Re: Hi & Questions...

[Joel S]

I’ve owned many Rivendells over the years, before the longer wheelbase 
models.  I tried one with the longer chainstays and it was not for me.  I 
quickly sold it and got a Sam, fitted with 48mm tires.  This is a great 
bike for me, different enough from the Bleriot that I still own.  Just my 
preference, I like the Rivendells with the more traditional shorter 
chainstays.  I do love the clearance for 48mm (no fenders) on the Sam.  

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:16:38 AM UTC-5 ryan.merri...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I've owned a Sam Hillborne; it was a canti post orange one size 48. It fit 
> me well and I really liked riding it on the road and some minimal gravel. I 
> was really road riding a lot when I owned the Sam so I never did try it 
> "off road" but I would imagine it would do very well. I never bike packed 
> with it but would take enough stuff on the bike for an afternoon picnic 
> often. It handled pretty well but it had this weird feeling when climbing 
> steep hills, the front would feel like it would wander. That's the only 
> real negative thing I can say about that bike.  I stuck with nitto noodle 
> bars the entire time I had the Hillborne and those seemed to work well with 
> that bike.  It was my first Rivendell and wound up selling it for a Roadeo, 
> then I sold that and went for an Atlantis, now I have a Joe Appaloosa. 
> (also a Frank Sr. single speed).
>
> I really like the Joe A. It fits my style of biking now and handles 
> beautifully. It's a very comfortable bike and does great on gravel roads 
> and busted up jeep trails. It isn't bad on the road either, but I don't 
> ride on the road all that much anymore so it isn't my focus. I have been 
> through a few Hbars on it and have settled on a set of albatross bars for 
> now. I do not feel like the Joe is sluggish or too out of place riding 
> spirited and in fact I think the comfort of the bike helps with speed. 
> Maybe it is the really long chainstays or the long top tube, but the bike 
> rides with the comfort of a stretched town car but still responds to rider 
> input well. I'm not sure how well the Joe would handle drop bars since the 
> reach seems so long, but it certainly is a heck of a bike with "alt bars." 
> IMHO, if you are married to the idea of using drops, the Sam may be the 
> better buy. 
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 1:52:31 AM UTC-6 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson bike 
>> already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
>> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is 
>> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & 
>> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I 
>> like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most 
>> comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist bikepacking 
>> overnights.
>>
>> From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam Hillborne 
>> or Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also recommended 
>> the Appaloosa.
>>
>> I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them & 
>> thanks in advance for any advice you can give.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2020-12-03 at 8.03.40 AM.png]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Hi & Questions...

[Ryan M.]

I've owned a Sam Hillborne; it was a canti post orange one size 48. It fit 
me well and I really liked riding it on the road and some minimal gravel. I 
was really road riding a lot when I owned the Sam so I never did try it 
"off road" but I would imagine it would do very well. I never bike packed 
with it but would take enough stuff on the bike for an afternoon picnic 
often. It handled pretty well but it had this weird feeling when climbing 
steep hills, the front would feel like it would wander. That's the only 
real negative thing I can say about that bike.  I stuck with nitto noodle 
bars the entire time I had the Hillborne and those seemed to work well with 
that bike.  It was my first Rivendell and wound up selling it for a Roadeo, 
then I sold that and went for an Atlantis, now I have a Joe Appaloosa. 
(also a Frank Sr. single speed).

I really like the Joe A. It fits my style of biking now and handles 
beautifully. It's a very comfortable bike and does great on gravel roads 
and busted up jeep trails. It isn't bad on the road either, but I don't 
ride on the road all that much anymore so it isn't my focus. I have been 
through a few Hbars on it and have settled on a set of albatross bars for 
now. I do not feel like the Joe is sluggish or too out of place riding 
spirited and in fact I think the comfort of the bike helps with speed. 
Maybe it is the really long chainstays or the long top tube, but the bike 
rides with the comfort of a stretched town car but still responds to rider 
input well. I'm not sure how well the Joe would handle drop bars since the 
reach seems so long, but it certainly is a heck of a bike with "alt bars." 
IMHO, if you are married to the idea of using drops, the Sam may be the 
better buy. 

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 1:52:31 AM UTC-6 philipr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson bike 
> already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is 
> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & 
> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I 
> like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most 
> comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist bikepacking 
> overnights.
>
> From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam Hillborne 
> or Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also recommended 
> the Appaloosa.
>
> I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them & 
> thanks in advance for any advice you can give.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2020-12-03 at 8.03.40 AM.png]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Is there a Riv-like three speed currently in production?

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

I have an original Raleigh Tourist ('75) and I've often thought that it's 
the only other bike (That I've ridden) that comes close to that long 
wheelbase feeling where you kind of "carve" around turns.  The rest of the 
handling is unlike Riv, Riv is more refined, but that aspect sure is 
similar.

I've been lusting after one of these for many years.  Does anyone on the 
list have one?

https://www.raleigh.dk/herre/classic/tourist-de-luxe---moerkegroen-pg-695

If I had more room in the basement I'd try my best to explain to my wife 
*again* why it is that I need bikes in duplicate 



Alex Excited-about-Roaduno Wirth

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 6:15:45 AM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> I've tried that, as a way to simulate having the typical three speed 
> ratios. But I quickly found I wanted a lower gear, and a higher gear, and a 
> few more steps in between, and before you know it, I was at 8 or 9!
>
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 9:05 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I presume you mean a cassette broken down into 3 cogs. I've never seen it 
>> done, presumably because nobody is going to keep a rear derailer and 
>> cassette but make the cassette less useful. But if that's your thing, party 
>> on! 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 5:43:35 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Rear derailleur. 1 mechanism and 3 small cogs intead of 2 mechs and 3 
>>> big cogs.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 1:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 Patrick, how would you get 3 shiftable cogs on the back? What I did 
 with my Cheviot was put a singleator kit on the rear and kept two rings up 
 front, I can't picture how your reversed idea would work.*

 *Of course I also can't picture pulling, say, a 9-speed cassette to 
 replace with 3, but that's another topic 

 On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 8:11:45 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Jack: Curious why 3 chainrings instead of 3 cogs in back? Three cogs 
> would be lighter and I daresay shift better ...?
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 6:50 AM J Schwartz  
> wrote:
>
>> It's possible 
>> here's my 3-speed Clem L
>> 44/34/24 up front and a 20t cog in the back 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 8:05:48 AM UTC-5 Dave S wrote:
>>
>>> https://handsomecycles.com/products/fredward-3s
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 5:42:43 PM UTC-5 
>>> brettjc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 A few years back I briefly had a three-speed Public done up in 
 Rivendellian style, with a thumb shifter, albatross bars with 
 shellacked 
 tape, a nice silver porteur rack, etc. It was, as a bike shaped 
 object, 
 fine. It was not a Rivendell and I sold it a short time later to buy a 
 Clem. 

 I find myself missing having a three speed in the stable. I've long 
 entertained thoughts of buying a Quickbeam, if one would ever come up 
 for 
 sale in my tall guy size, and adding a three speed hub. The same might 
 be 
 possible with the new Roaduno and I'll be keeping my eye on 
 developments. 

 I wonder, though, if there's a nice purpose built three speed out 
 there I should be aware of but have missed. Any thoughts? 

 If anyone here has put together a three speed Riv, I'd love to see 
 photos or read insights? 

 Brett in PDX. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Is there a Riv-like three speed currently in production?

[Eric Daume]

I've tried that, as a way to simulate having the typical three speed
ratios. But I quickly found I wanted a lower gear, and a higher gear, and a
few more steps in between, and before you know it, I was at 8 or 9!

Eric

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 9:05 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I presume you mean a cassette broken down into 3 cogs. I've never seen it
> done, presumably because nobody is going to keep a rear derailer and
> cassette but make the cassette less useful. But if that's your thing, party
> on! 
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 5:43:35 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Rear derailleur. 1 mechanism and 3 small cogs intead of 2 mechs and 3 big
>> cogs.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 1:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, how would you get 3 shiftable cogs on the back? What I did with
>>> my Cheviot was put a singleator kit on the rear and kept two rings up
>>> front, I can't picture how your reversed idea would work.*
>>>
>>> *Of course I also can't picture pulling, say, a 9-speed cassette to
>>> replace with 3, but that's another topic 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 8:11:45 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Jack: Curious why 3 chainrings instead of 3 cogs in back? Three cogs
 would be lighter and I daresay shift better ...?

 On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 6:50 AM J Schwartz 
 wrote:

> It's possible
> here's my 3-speed Clem L
> 44/34/24 up front and a 20t cog in the back
>
> On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 8:05:48 AM UTC-5 Dave S wrote:
>
>> https://handsomecycles.com/products/fredward-3s
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 5:42:43 PM UTC-5 brettjc...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A few years back I briefly had a three-speed Public done up in
>>> Rivendellian style, with a thumb shifter, albatross bars with shellacked
>>> tape, a nice silver porteur rack, etc. It was, as a bike shaped object,
>>> fine. It was not a Rivendell and I sold it a short time later to buy a
>>> Clem.
>>>
>>> I find myself missing having a three speed in the stable. I've long
>>> entertained thoughts of buying a Quickbeam, if one would ever come up 
>>> for
>>> sale in my tall guy size, and adding a three speed hub. The same might 
>>> be
>>> possible with the new Roaduno and I'll be keeping my eye on 
>>> developments.
>>>
>>> I wonder, though, if there's a nice purpose built three speed out
>>> there I should be aware of but have missed. Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> If anyone here has put together a three speed Riv, I'd love to see
>>> photos or read insights?
>>>
>>> Brett in PDX.
>>>
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