[RBW] Re: Front Derailleurs / Derailers / Whatever

[Joe Bernard]

What Patrick said because this is a common weirdness encountered with that 
chainring setup. The original plan when Grant said goodbye to the big ring 
on a triple was to run 24-38 without a derailer, you would put a stick down 
there to move the chain or kick it or hop off and make the "shift". Well 
the pantguard is roughly the same size as the formerly-middle ring, and 
what happens when you introduce a derailer on what is nominally still a 
triple crankset is it wants to sit at the height of the now missing big 
ring. Raise that derailer, son! 



On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:26:47 PM UTC-7 Erik wrote:

> I'm working on putting together my shiny new gold Sam H that I picked up 
> from the Rivendell shop today.  Everything was coming together beautifully, 
> until I went to install the front derailleur. It's a Shimano 105-5700 for a 
> 2x set up.  I'm running a Silver Wide/Low double with a 38 / 24.  The cage 
> on the derailed is too long to set it up with the correct spacing between 
> the large chainring / guard and the cage.  It ends up hitting the chain 
> stay when I shift.  
>
> Does anyone else on here have a similar set up with a wide / low double? 
>  If so, what front derailleur do you use?  For the life of me, I can't 
> figure out a suitable replacement for the 105 and am dreading trying to 
> find one for sale anywhere.
>
> Any thoughts or advice?
>

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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleurs / Derailers / Whatever

[Patrick Moore]

Erik: Before you swap, try simply raising the derailleur so the cage barely
clears the stay. I had no problem using my circa 2011 LX fd with a 38 t
ring in 2nd "big" position after I removed the 46 t outer ring in 3d
position (replaced latter with guard); I didn't even lower the fd, simply
screwed in the travel stop. It shifted just fine.

I've shifted small outer rings with all sorts of front derailleurs;
currently I shift a 42 outer with an 8-speed era Dura Ace front derailleur
sitting high above the ring, and it shifts to the 28 ring just fine.
Earlier I used a different, perhaps 9-sp Dura Ace fd to shift a 46/36/24
Bontrager Race Lite triple; it shifted just fine after I performed delicate
surgery on the cage's throw limiter.

Lastly, used this same 9-speed DA fd both with a 44/30 and a 52/38 ring
combination on the same Ram; couldn't tell any difference in performance.

IME, tho' I may be very tolerante, if you can properly adjust throw and
keep the cage from hitting the crank arm, front derailleurs are very, very
forgiving.

Of course, friction; can't speak to indexing.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 10:26 PM Erik  wrote:

> I'm working on putting together my shiny new gold Sam H that I picked up
> from the Rivendell shop today.  Everything was coming together beautifully,
> until I went to install the front derailleur. It's a Shimano 105-5700 for a
> 2x set up.  I'm running a Silver Wide/Low double with a 38 / 24.  The cage
> on the derailed is too long to set it up with the correct spacing between
> the large chainring / guard and the cage.  It ends up hitting the chain
> stay when I shift.
>
> Does anyone else on here have a similar set up with a wide / low double?
> If so, what front derailleur do you use?  For the life of me, I can't
> figure out a suitable replacement for the 105 and am dreading trying to
> find one for sale anywhere.
>
> Any thoughts or advice?
>
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[RBW] Front Derailleurs / Derailers / Whatever

[Erik]

I'm working on putting together my shiny new gold Sam H that I picked up 
from the Rivendell shop today.  Everything was coming together beautifully, 
until I went to install the front derailleur. It's a Shimano 105-5700 for a 
2x set up.  I'm running a Silver Wide/Low double with a 38 / 24.  The cage 
on the derailed is too long to set it up with the correct spacing between 
the large chainring / guard and the cage.  It ends up hitting the chain 
stay when I shift.  

Does anyone else on here have a similar set up with a wide / low double? 
 If so, what front derailleur do you use?  For the life of me, I can't 
figure out a suitable replacement for the 105 and am dreading trying to 
find one for sale anywhere.

Any thoughts or advice?

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[RBW] Re: Helicopter tape recommendation requested (a specific name or URL)

[John Stowe]

I use ISC Racers Tape Surface Guard Tape 
 (not 
to be confused with the regular Racers Tape, which is cloth based like duct 
tape), both for frame protection and to route dynamo wires along frame 
tubes: it keeps the wires from dangling or snagging, and is nearly 
invisible - though zip ties are still helpful for strain relief to keep it 
from pulling up the ends of the tape. Self-adhesive, pulls right back off 
without damaging the paint, and is available in a variety of widths.




On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:27:17 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ah, I put that stuff on a car I had. I didn't know it was called 
> helicopter tape, my bad. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 6:21:47 PM UTC-7 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, 
> CA wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 2:54:09 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Does that stuff really work without messing up the paint? When I clamp a 
>>> toptube in my work stand I use an old t-shirt wrapped around the tube to 
>>> keep the brake wire off the paint. Easy on, easy off, doesn't stay on the 
>>> bike when not needed. 
>>
>>
>> Helicopter tape is basically a thin and clear polyurethane tape with an 
>> adhesive backing. Allegedly, it was invented to protect helicopter blades 
>> from impact damage (presumably smaller objects). For those of us who don't 
>> see too many helicopters, it is more commonly used as protection on the 
>> front of (usually expensive) cars to prevent paint chips from stones and 
>> such. If I have a carbon-fiber mountain bike, I'll probably apply it where 
>> rock chips are likely to hit, like the underside of the downtube, not to 
>> protect the paint so much as to prevent impact damage to the carbon fiber.
>>
>> It'll do fine preventing paint scratches from hanging a bike by the top 
>> tube, although in my experience, it'll likely bunch up when solidly clamped 
>> with a workstand (the polyurethane material is malleable after all). The 
>> adhesive is not strong enough to prevent "creeping" when high forces are 
>> involved, because 3M paint film is designed to be removed without damaging 
>> paint, by using a heat gun or hair dryer. The adhesive is good but isn't 
>> permanent.
>>
>> Just search for "3M paint protection" or "3M paint film" on eBay. For 
>> Roberta's use, this may work. 
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Helicopter tape recommendation requested (a specific name or URL)

[Joe Bernard]

Ah, I put that stuff on a car I had. I didn't know it was called helicopter 
tape, my bad. 


On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 6:21:47 PM UTC-7 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 2:54:09 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Does that stuff really work without messing up the paint? When I clamp a 
>> toptube in my work stand I use an old t-shirt wrapped around the tube to 
>> keep the brake wire off the paint. Easy on, easy off, doesn't stay on the 
>> bike when not needed. 
>
>
> Helicopter tape is basically a thin and clear polyurethane tape with an 
> adhesive backing. Allegedly, it was invented to protect helicopter blades 
> from impact damage (presumably smaller objects). For those of us who don't 
> see too many helicopters, it is more commonly used as protection on the 
> front of (usually expensive) cars to prevent paint chips from stones and 
> such. If I have a carbon-fiber mountain bike, I'll probably apply it where 
> rock chips are likely to hit, like the underside of the downtube, not to 
> protect the paint so much as to prevent impact damage to the carbon fiber.
>
> It'll do fine preventing paint scratches from hanging a bike by the top 
> tube, although in my experience, it'll likely bunch up when solidly clamped 
> with a workstand (the polyurethane material is malleable after all). The 
> adhesive is not strong enough to prevent "creeping" when high forces are 
> involved, because 3M paint film is designed to be removed without damaging 
> paint, by using a heat gun or hair dryer. The adhesive is good but isn't 
> permanent.
>
> Just search for "3M paint protection" or "3M paint film" on eBay. For 
> Roberta's use, this may work. 
>
>
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Helicopter tape recommendation requested (a specific name or URL)

[Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 2:54:09 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Does that stuff really work without messing up the paint? When I clamp a 
> toptube in my work stand I use an old t-shirt wrapped around the tube to 
> keep the brake wire off the paint. Easy on, easy off, doesn't stay on the 
> bike when not needed. 


Helicopter tape is basically a thin and clear polyurethane tape with an 
adhesive backing. Allegedly, it was invented to protect helicopter blades 
from impact damage (presumably smaller objects). For those of us who don't 
see too many helicopters, it is more commonly used as protection on the 
front of (usually expensive) cars to prevent paint chips from stones and 
such. If I have a carbon-fiber mountain bike, I'll probably apply it where 
rock chips are likely to hit, like the underside of the downtube, not to 
protect the paint so much as to prevent impact damage to the carbon fiber.

It'll do fine preventing paint scratches from hanging a bike by the top 
tube, although in my experience, it'll likely bunch up when solidly clamped 
with a workstand (the polyurethane material is malleable after all). The 
adhesive is not strong enough to prevent "creeping" when high forces are 
involved, because 3M paint film is designed to be removed without damaging 
paint, by using a heat gun or hair dryer. The adhesive is good but isn't 
permanent.

Just search for "3M paint protection" or "3M paint film" on eBay. For 
Roberta's use, this may work. 



 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helicopter tape recommendation requested (a specific name or URL)

[rltilley]

The tape I bought is used for autos to protect the paint so it should be 
perfectly safe on a bike.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 2:54 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Does that stuff really work without messing up the paint? When I clamp a 
> toptube in my work stand I use an old t-shirt wrapped around the tube to keep 
> the brake wire off the paint. Easy on, easy off, doesn't stay on the bike 
> when not needed. 
> 
> Joe "extremely touchy about paint, like it's not even healthy" Bernard
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 2:38:39 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>> Helicopter tape to put under the brake wire that runs along the bottom of 
>> the top tube, so perhaps 1 1/2 -  2" wide to allow for wire movement and a 
>> not too perfect tape application.  I carry my bike on a hanging bike rack 
>> and currently protect the frame by putting inner tubes between the wire and 
>> frame, but that's becoming annoying.
>> 
>> There's so many out there and I'm not sure which will work well and not 
>> effect the paint.  My local auto supply place said they never heard of it.  
>> Neither did the LBS.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta, AHHilsen
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Re: [RBW] Re: Helicopter tape recommendation requested (a specific name or URL)

[rltilley]

I picked up some 3M tape from EBay to put on the wear areas of my bikepacking 
bike. I haven’t used it yet as the bike is just starting to get built but the 
tape looks nice. It applies just like some screen protectors for phones. It 
goes on wet and then dries in place.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-Scotchgard-Hood-Bumper-Clear-Paint-Protection-Bra-Film-Shield-Vinyl-Wrap-12-/252178824683?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks, George, that is so kind of you.I'll send a PM.
> 
> Joe, I understand!  If it affects the paint, I'll keep with my current setup. 
>  
> 
> I have a full to-do to get my bike on the hanging rack--inner tube under the 
> wires so wire doesn't scratch the frame and pipe insulation on the tubes so 
> the carrier doesn't scratch the frame.  For now I'm sticking with this setup 
> because 1) I can use it with my fendered bike 2) I can lock the bike to the 
> rack with a U-LOCK (not a lowly cable lock) if I need to leave it on my car 
> for a bio break on long trips.  (if anyone knows a tray style that can do 
> this, let me know!  I might start another thread on this when I get the 
> chance.)
>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 5:54:09 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Does that stuff really work without messing up the paint? When I clamp a 
>> toptube in my work stand I use an old t-shirt wrapped around the tube to 
>> keep the brake wire off the paint. Easy on, easy off, doesn't stay on the 
>> bike when not needed. 
>> 
>> Joe "extremely touchy about paint, like it's not even healthy" Bernard
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 2:38:39 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>>> Helicopter tape to put under the brake wire that runs along the bottom of 
>>> the top tube, so perhaps 1 1/2 -  2" wide to allow for wire movement and a 
>>> not too perfect tape application.  I carry my bike on a hanging bike rack 
>>> and currently protect the frame by putting inner tubes between the wire and 
>>> frame, but that's becoming annoying.
>>> 
>>> There's so many out there and I'm not sure which will work well and not 
>>> effect the paint.  My local auto supply place said they never heard of it.  
>>> Neither did the LBS.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roberta, AHHilsen
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[David Lipsky]

Add two half-700c wheels which are about 28” in diameter (depending on tire 
volume). So, 47.25” + 28” = 75.25”
Or 6’ 3.25” for the 55cm bike

David Lipsky 

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:28 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> I can tell you the wheelbase (which is what you’ll need to know, right?) of 
> my 55 cm is approx. 47 1/4 inches. Not sure what a 60 would be but Philip 
> sounds like he knows how to figure it out!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:09 PM, Emily Guise  wrote:
>>> 
>> Does anyone know how long the Platypuses will be? I was trying to figure 
>> out if the 60cm size would fit within the Amtrak bike dimensions for roll-on 
>> service, which is 70" x 41" x 8.5". I couldn't find the info on the Riv 
>> site. 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:28:20 AM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>>> The bike looks good in its element.
>>> 
 On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
 Amen, Philip. And thanks! 
 
 The winds died down this evening and I made it out for 12 or 13 miles and 
 this is what all the PlatyPeople have to look forward to. Look at that 
 luscious silhouette. Coming soon.
 
 Two more days, my friends...
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>> 
> Weight does matter and your advice is very sage & spot on. A sub 30lb 
> bike (unloaded) is a good goal, it will accelerate nicely away from a 
> stop, be able to maintain momentum on hills & with headwinds & you will 
> enjoy those far longer than the pain of the cost of parts to achieve it. 
> It's a matter of proportion, as we were discussing on a separate thread, 
> you can save 4lbs choosing the right (or wrong) tire, that's the real 
> deal right there. The weight-weenie really only comes into play when 
> you're spending $100s or $1,000s to save a handful of grams, sensible 
> choices will deliver a much more enjoyable bike.
 
> 
> 200 grams is sort of my reference point, that's about 1/2lb & easy to 
> remember. Below that I think we're at semantics, above & we've got real 
> gains to be had. Also, think about how much permanent carrying capacity 
> you really need, even the best racks are heavy & for occasional big loads 
> there's plenty of temporary options that are easily removed once you get 
> back from Trader Joes (I picked up coffee today).
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 7:11:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Aw shucks, it was my pleasure. I’m so happy that you were able to make 
>> the right call re: your Dad’s forever bike. What color did you score? 
>> 
>> Lastly, one final tip from me... I’d spend the money you saved buying 
>> light parts, if the bike is not a complete. The Clems are gems, as I 
>> like to say, but they are stout. Analog Cycles has been really 
>> resourceful in getting my Clem lightened up. I know I’m sticking my neck 
>> way out here because there are 10 guys at least waiting to tell me 
>> weight doesn’t matter, but that is just not my experience. It matters. 
>> Especially when you’re older. “Here I stand; I can do no other. God help 
>> me.” 
>> 
>> All the best to your dad and his new Clem! And to you if you get a Platy 
>> - be sure to let us know.
>> Leah
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Jonny P  wrote:
 
>>> Leah's video was a HUGE help in the decision making process for my 
>>> dad's bike. It highlighted the differences and dismounting very well. 
>>> My dad was totally blown away that someone would be so kind as to go 
>>> through that effort for a stranger. I was, too. Ultimately, my dad 
>>> decided that if we are spending this kind of money, he wants a bike 
>>> that he is confident will fit until his days on earth are through. This 
>>> will be a big step up from his Surly. So, we're going from the gorgeous 
>>> mermaid platy to the Clem L -- still a beautiful bike -- but just not 
>>> that pretty color I was so excited to see.
>> 
>>> 
>>> The RBW community came through as well in helping me track down a 59cm 
>>> Clem L complete. Mark of Saturday Cycles in SLC, UT reached out that 
>>> they had one in stock. It will be packed up and sent to the PNW in the 
>>> coming week. 
>>> 
>>> I got a referral bonus at work and depending on my partner, Elise, 
>>> maybe I will get a platypus of my own. It will hold me over until my 
>>> custom frame being built by a friend in SLC, UT is done this summer. 
>>> 
>>> Thank you all! I cannot wait to see wild Platypii here and in the wild. 
>>> 
>>> Jonathan P.
>>> Seattle, WA
>>> 
 On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 7:16:58 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 

[RBW] Re: Helicopter tape recommendation requested (a specific name or URL)

[Roberta]

Thanks, George, that is so kind of you.I'll send a PM.

Joe, I understand!  If it affects the paint, I'll keep with my current 
setup.  

I have a full to-do to get my bike on the hanging rack--inner tube under 
the wires so wire doesn't scratch the frame and pipe insulation on the 
tubes so the carrier doesn't scratch the frame.  For now I'm sticking with 
this setup because 1) I can use it with my fendered bike 2) I can lock the 
bike to the rack with a U-LOCK (not a lowly cable lock) if I need to leave 
it on my car for a bio break on long trips.  (if anyone knows a tray style 
that can do this, let me know!  I might start another thread on this when I 
get the chance.)
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 5:54:09 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Does that stuff really work without messing up the paint? When I clamp a 
> toptube in my work stand I use an old t-shirt wrapped around the tube to 
> keep the brake wire off the paint. Easy on, easy off, doesn't stay on the 
> bike when not needed. 
>
> Joe "extremely touchy about paint, like it's not even healthy" Bernard
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 2:38:39 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Helicopter tape to put under the brake wire that runs along the bottom of 
>> the top tube, so perhaps 1 1/2 -  2" wide to allow for wire movement and a 
>> not too perfect tape application.  I carry my bike on a hanging bike rack 
>> and currently protect the frame by putting inner tubes between the wire and 
>> frame, but that's becoming annoying.
>>
>> There's so many out there and I'm not sure which will work well and not 
>> effect the paint.  My local auto supply place said they never heard of it.  
>> Neither did the LBS.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roberta, AHHilsen
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Jon Dukeman]

Emily
I measured my 60cm Cheviot the best I could from the rear fender to front
tire.
It's close to 75".
Not sure if the Platty is longer.
Jon

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 4:13 PM Emily Guise  wrote:

> Leah, I think what Amtrak is referring to is overall length instead of
> wheelbase, because the bikes are hung up on hooks inside the baggage car.
> But that's still helpful to know, thank you!
>
> Thanks Joe and Phillip for your help on those numbers. I suspected it
> would be a bit too long (one downside of the cushy ride) but was still
> holding out hope.
>
> -Emily
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 1:54:35 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> That's a 50cm in the pictures, overall length = 6' or 72" already as
>> shown. Worst case a 60 would be another 5% give or take, so around 75".
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 3:43:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> The length you're getting is about 72 inches. I'm getting 74 on my 54cm
>>> custom and 53cm Susie, both with 650B wheels. I think it's safe to assume a
>>> 60cm Platy with 700C wheels will be in the range of my bikes, so the Amtrak
>>> plan is probably not workable. I'm curious what the full length of Leah's
>>> 55 Platy is.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 1:21:18 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is there a draftsperson in house? Oh yes...

 Extrapolating the chain guard (which I have here & can measure) I was
 able to scale up one of the online pictures. Metric and old money too,
 should be pretty close allowing for some lens distortion.

 [image: Plat Dims.png]

 On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 3:09:15 PM UTC-5 Emily Guise wrote:

> Does anyone know how long the Platypuses will be? I was trying to
> figure out if the 60cm size would fit within the Amtrak bike dimensions 
> for
> roll-on service, which is 70" x 41" x 8.5". I couldn't find the info
> on the Riv site.
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:28:20 AM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald
> wrote:
>
>> The bike looks good in its element.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Amen, Philip. And thanks!
>>>
>>> The winds died down this evening and I made it out for 12 or 13
>>> miles and this is what all the PlatyPeople have to look forward to. 
>>> Look at
>>> that luscious silhouette. Coming soon.
>>>
>>> Two more days, my friends...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Philip Barrett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Weight does matter and your advice is very sage & spot on. A sub
>>> 30lb bike (unloaded) is a good goal, it will accelerate nicely away 
>>> from a
>>> stop, be able to maintain momentum on hills & with headwinds & you will
>>> enjoy those far longer than the pain of the cost of parts to achieve it.
>>> It's a matter of proportion, as we were discussing on a separate thread,
>>> you can save 4lbs choosing the right (or wrong) tire, that's the real 
>>> deal
>>> right there. The weight-weenie really only comes into play when you're
>>> spending $100s or $1,000s to save a handful of grams, sensible choices 
>>> will
>>> deliver a much more enjoyable bike.
>>>
>>>
>>> 200 grams is sort of my reference point, that's about 1/2lb & easy
>>> to remember. Below that I think we're at semantics, above & we've got 
>>> real
>>> gains to be had. Also, think about how much permanent carrying capacity 
>>> you
>>> really need, even the best racks are heavy & for occasional big loads
>>> there's plenty of temporary options that are easily removed once you get
>>> back from Trader Joes (I picked up coffee today).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 7:11:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Aw shucks, it was my pleasure. I’m so happy that you were able to
 make the right call re: your Dad’s forever bike. What color did you 
 score?

 Lastly, one final tip from me... I’d spend the money you saved
 buying light parts, if the bike is not a complete. The Clems are gems, 
 as I
 like to say, but they are stout. Analog Cycles has been really 
 resourceful
 in getting my Clem lightened up. I know I’m sticking my neck way out 
 here
 because there are 10 guys at least waiting to tell me weight doesn’t
 matter, but that is just not my experience. It matters. Especially when
 you’re older. “Here I stand; I can do no other. God help me.”

 All the best to your dad and his new Clem! And to you if you get a
 Platy - be sure to let us know.
 Leah

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Jonny P  wrote:

 Leah's 

Re: [RBW] Fattest Tire on a QB?

[Jim M.]

On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 3:42:50 PM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Running 700C X 42 Hurricane Ridge  
> 

We don't want link to the tires, we want a link to pictures of the QB with 
the tires. I'm sure it looks great.

jim m
walnut creek 

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Re: [RBW] Fattest Tire on a QB?

[greenteadrinkers]

Running 700C X 42 Hurricane Ridge  
tubeless
 
on Cliffhangers with V/O Zepplin fenders on my 56cm Simple One, clearance 
with fenders is a little tight, but not too tight.
Scott  |  Amherst, MA

On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-4 Jeremy Till wrote:

> Like John G I maxed out my orange QB with 700x45 Specialized Fatboys 
> shortly before I sold it. Here's a set of pictures I took for the buyer 
> showing the clearance: 
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskJEmRH3
>
> It looks like chainstay clearance was the limiting factor. If I remember 
> correctly these measured a little narrower than marked on H Plus Son TB14 
> rims.  
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 10:13:08 AM UTC-7 John G wrote:
>
>> Specialized Fatboy 45s, although I've recently gone back to 32s
>> https://flic.kr/p/2hFGfWf
>>
>> John G
>> Union Bridge, MD
>>
>> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:52:45 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> Edit: by ROSE I meant RACE. The names are confusing to me still.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:45:11 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 The largest I've confidently fit on my orange 56 were Soma Cazadero 
 42s, Dyad rims, wheel around the back-middle of the dropouts. 
 I never tried any wider, as the chainstay clearance looks like the max 
 for my piece of mind. (I like riding it on rougher stuff than paved stuff, 
 so a hairline clearance is not an option for me)

 I'd be willing to bet that the UDs will fit. AND I may end up doing the 
 same move once I put the QB back together. I have the 650b ROSE "mullet" 
 set-up on my custom Bantam and the combination of knobs in front and file 
 tread in back is super fun on trails, good enough on pavement.

 Patch
 BK/NY


 On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:03:46 PM UTC-4 Jim M. wrote:

> I had Big Apple 50s on mine. Fit was maybe a little tight but no paint 
> rubbed off, so I think it was good.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
>
> [image: 3448531380_84086b5829_c (1).jpg]
>
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:56:33 PM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> RG,   I used to be able to fit BG rock n roads ( 700x43) on my Orange 
>> 64 QB a few years back with the wheel in the middle to rear of the 
>> dropouts.   And the RnRs have some decent side knobs to take into 
>> account. 
>>  Not sure of exact mm clearance on each side but it was fine.-Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2021, at 11:56 AM, Robert Gardner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone --
>>
>> I recently saw a post on Instagram (which I have subsequently 
>> lost track of) that showed a QB rocking Ultradynamico 700ccs (I think 
>> they 
>> were the Rosè racers). 
>>
>> As I am in the market for some new rubber I thought -- WOWZA -- that 
>> would be fun. So, I'm throwing myself at the mercy of the few the proud 
>> the 
>> QB riders on this list. What's the fattest you've been able to go on a 
>> QB 
>> (if it helps, I ride a 58...)
>>
>> Thanks all --
>>
>> RGinDC
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Emily Guise]

Leah, I think what Amtrak is referring to is overall length instead of 
wheelbase, because the bikes are hung up on hooks inside the baggage car. 
But that's still helpful to know, thank you!

Thanks Joe and Phillip for your help on those numbers. I suspected it would 
be a bit too long (one downside of the cushy ride) but was still holding 
out hope.

-Emily

On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 1:54:35 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> That's a 50cm in the pictures, overall length = 6' or 72" already as 
> shown. Worst case a 60 would be another 5% give or take, so around 75".
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 3:43:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The length you're getting is about 72 inches. I'm getting 74 on my 54cm 
>> custom and 53cm Susie, both with 650B wheels. I think it's safe to assume a 
>> 60cm Platy with 700C wheels will be in the range of my bikes, so the Amtrak 
>> plan is probably not workable. I'm curious what the full length of Leah's 
>> 55 Platy is. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 1:21:18 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a draftsperson in house? Oh yes...
>>>
>>> Extrapolating the chain guard (which I have here & can measure) I was 
>>> able to scale up one of the online pictures. Metric and old money too, 
>>> should be pretty close allowing for some lens distortion.
>>>
>>> [image: Plat Dims.png]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 3:09:15 PM UTC-5 Emily Guise wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone know how long the Platypuses will be? I was trying to 
 figure out if the 60cm size would fit within the Amtrak bike dimensions 
 for 
 roll-on service, which is 70" x 41" x 8.5". I couldn't find the info 
 on the Riv site. 

 On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:28:20 AM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> The bike looks good in its element.
>
> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Amen, Philip. And thanks! 
>>
>> The winds died down this evening and I made it out for 12 or 13 miles 
>> and this is what all the PlatyPeople have to look forward to. Look at 
>> that 
>> luscious silhouette. Coming soon.
>>
>> Two more days, my friends...
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Weight does matter and your advice is very sage & spot on. A sub 
>> 30lb bike (unloaded) is a good goal, it will accelerate nicely away from 
>> a 
>> stop, be able to maintain momentum on hills & with headwinds & you will 
>> enjoy those far longer than the pain of the cost of parts to achieve it. 
>> It's a matter of proportion, as we were discussing on a separate thread, 
>> you can save 4lbs choosing the right (or wrong) tire, that's the real 
>> deal 
>> right there. The weight-weenie really only comes into play when you're 
>> spending $100s or $1,000s to save a handful of grams, sensible choices 
>> will 
>> deliver a much more enjoyable bike.
>>
>>
>> 200 grams is sort of my reference point, that's about 1/2lb & easy to 
>> remember. Below that I think we're at semantics, above & we've got real 
>> gains to be had. Also, think about how much permanent carrying capacity 
>> you 
>> really need, even the best racks are heavy & for occasional big loads 
>> there's plenty of temporary options that are easily removed once you get 
>> back from Trader Joes (I picked up coffee today).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 7:11:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Aw shucks, it was my pleasure. I’m so happy that you were able to 
>>> make the right call re: your Dad’s forever bike. What color did you 
>>> score? 
>>>
>>> Lastly, one final tip from me... I’d spend the money you saved 
>>> buying light parts, if the bike is not a complete. The Clems are gems, 
>>> as I 
>>> like to say, but they are stout. Analog Cycles has been really 
>>> resourceful 
>>> in getting my Clem lightened up. I know I’m sticking my neck way out 
>>> here 
>>> because there are 10 guys at least waiting to tell me weight doesn’t 
>>> matter, but that is just not my experience. It matters. Especially when 
>>> you’re older. “Here I stand; I can do no other. God help me.” 
>>>
>>> All the best to your dad and his new Clem! And to you if you get a 
>>> Platy - be sure to let us know.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Jonny P  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah's video was a HUGE help in the decision making process for my 
>>> dad's bike. It highlighted the differences and dismounting very well. 
>>> My 
>>> dad was totally blown away that someone would be so kind as to go 
>>> through 
>>> that effort for a stranger. I was, too. 

Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see your shop and workbench

[Joe Bernard]

As do I. 



On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 1:59:36 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Great story Leah. Thank you for sharing it. I appreciate learning about 
> the life and times of bicycle people. 
> Doug
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 31, 2021, at 4:47 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> TMI...sort of.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 3:25:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 3CCA3ECE-8829-4A55-93A7-A81260370674.jpeg][image: 
>> D2FD6A08-47A1-4681-A016-235F9296ADFF.jpeg][image: 
>> C0EACAD7-276A-45AD-971B-82E2487B07F9.jpeg][image: 
>> 7A7E96CB-F29F-42A6-82FA-58C4DE913B48.jpeg]
>>
>> I’m glad this thread was resurrected because I’m in fine fighting form 
>> today about my garage.
>>
>> For years, 2 of the 3 stalls were mine. The third stall was for my deep 
>> freezer, bikes and the tiny amount of tools/pieces/parts that go with the 
>> bikes. But now big things are happening in my household. JP got himself a 
>> motorcycle, so that went to live in the bike stall. Then, he inherited his 
>> Dad’s 1995 Jeep Wrangler and decided to restore it. As of yesterday, he 
>> convinced me to move my van out of my remaining garage stall and park on 
>> the street so he can really spread out and mess up the garage. He’s doing 
>> things with paint, so now I live in fear he’s going to spray my beloved 
>> raspberry Platypus, or maybe it will get stolen because he’s got the garage 
>> door up all the time. Or maybe we’ll all die of the paint fumes, who knows.
>>
>> Last night things came to a real head when he asked for my socket wrench. 
>> Years ago I took the socket wrench and the 3/4” socket and kept them in 
>> my van, because that’s what both of my bike racks require. Last night he 
>> asked for it back...for keeps. I bought him this socket set when we were 
>> dating in college; we had just met and it was Christmas. He was a farm boy 
>> who was studying to be a suit, but I didn’t see why he wouldn’t like a good 
>> socket set - it was CRAFTSMAN. I think his exact words after unwrapping the 
>> gift were...”You don’t know me, do you.” And he was right. But now he’s 
>> returning to his roots. He sheds that suit and he turns on country music 
>> and he gets tools and he’s ripping apart that Jeep. Today I went to Lowe’s 
>> and spent a whopping $37 on one socket wrench and one socket in 3/4”. I 
>> bought Craftsman because it’s cheaper than a divorce (I’m kidding. Kind 
>> of.). 
>>
>> Here are photos of the pathetic little spaces I’m left with, and of my 
>> glorious new socket wrench.You’ll note my one little tool bag (I bought 
>> one that didn’t scream TOOLS IN HERE to throw him off my trail). I have a 
>> make-up bag (!) in the van and that is where my socket wrench and bike rack 
>> parts are. Not pictured are my bike stand and my air compressor.  
>> Leah 
>> PS I actually adore him. I just think socket wrenches are like underwear 
>> - you should only have use of your own.
>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 11:14:49 AM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm a bit late as well, but I've really enjoyed seeing everyone's work 
>>> space and have gotten some good ideas from y'all. And hopefully we can keep 
>>> this thread going and see more of your shop spaces. Here's a pic of my 
>>> workbench: I moved the bike stand for the shot, but it lives on the 
>>> cardboard you can see at the corner of the pic, and most of the bikes are 
>>> hung up on the wall just to the left of the metal cabinet. Cheers,
>>>
>>> ~Mark 
>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 19, 2021, at 19:40, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dang, glad you made it Rich! I'm *really *impressed with the bottle 
>>> cage and cup as tool holder. That's some next level stuff. I'm serious. I 
>>> like your shop-made tool holders as well as the base you made for the 
>>> truing stand. I'm with you on the plywood, nails and shop-made methods for 
>>> holding stuff. Table-mounted vise is cool. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 5:45:54 PM UTC-4 richd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I'm very late to the party but wanted to share. I've done a lot more 
 volunteer work- frame and wheel building for our local co-op. My frame 
 building items are in another room and I haven't done a full-frame in 
 almost 2 years, although I've done a lot of S and S coupler retro's which 
 is odd. It seems repairs will come and go in cycles. My space has been 
 taken over by various kids and family projects, which has been fun. My 
 daughter's crafts, my son's pitching practice area, and oddly, a wrestling 
 mat. Hey, they are only young once! My dream is a separate space outside 
 of 
 the house, but that is just that, a dream! 
 -Rich in Des Moines




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[RBW] Re: Helicopter tape recommendation requested (a specific name or URL)

[Joe Bernard]

Does that stuff really work without messing up the paint? When I clamp a 
toptube in my work stand I use an old t-shirt wrapped around the tube to 
keep the brake wire off the paint. Easy on, easy off, doesn't stay on the 
bike when not needed. 

Joe "extremely touchy about paint, like it's not even healthy" Bernard

On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 2:38:39 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> Helicopter tape to put under the brake wire that runs along the bottom of 
> the top tube, so perhaps 1 1/2 -  2" wide to allow for wire movement and a 
> not too perfect tape application.  I carry my bike on a hanging bike rack 
> and currently protect the frame by putting inner tubes between the wire and 
> frame, but that's becoming annoying.
>
> There's so many out there and I'm not sure which will work well and not 
> effect the paint.  My local auto supply place said they never heard of it.  
> Neither did the LBS.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta, AHHilsen
>

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[RBW] Re: Helicopter tape recommendation requested (a specific name or URL)

[George Schick]

Roberta - actually, I have an abundance of leftover helicopter tape from a 
previous purchase that I needed to place on the drive side chain stay to 
prevent paint wear due to chain slap.  I'd be happy to send you the amount 
you want at no charge if you PM me (or whatever the latest version of that 
is in this latest Google Groups iteration) along with instructions about 
how to install it.
George
On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 4:38:39 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Helicopter tape to put under the brake wire that runs along the bottom of 
> the top tube, so perhaps 1 1/2 -  2" wide to allow for wire movement and a 
> not too perfect tape application.  I carry my bike on a hanging bike rack 
> and currently protect the frame by putting inner tubes between the wire and 
> frame, but that's becoming annoying.
>
> There's so many out there and I'm not sure which will work well and not 
> effect the paint.  My local auto supply place said they never heard of it.  
> Neither did the LBS.
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta, AHHilsen
>

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[RBW] Helicopter tape recommendation requested (a specific name or URL)

[Roberta]

Helicopter tape to put under the brake wire that runs along the bottom of 
the top tube, so perhaps 1 1/2 -  2" wide to allow for wire movement and a 
not too perfect tape application.  I carry my bike on a hanging bike rack 
and currently protect the frame by putting inner tubes between the wire and 
frame, but that's becoming annoying.

There's so many out there and I'm not sure which will work well and not 
effect the paint.  My local auto supply place said they never heard of it.  
Neither did the LBS.

Thanks,
Roberta, AHHilsen

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see your shop and workbench

[Doug Hansford]

Great story Leah. Thank you for sharing it. I appreciate learning about the 
life and times of bicycle people. 
Doug

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 4:47 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> TMI...sort of.
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 3:25:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’m glad this thread was resurrected because I’m in fine fighting form today 
>> about my garage.
>> 
>> For years, 2 of the 3 stalls were mine. The third stall was for my deep 
>> freezer, bikes and the tiny amount of tools/pieces/parts that go with the 
>> bikes. But now big things are happening in my household. JP got himself a 
>> motorcycle, so that went to live in the bike stall. Then, he inherited his 
>> Dad’s 1995 Jeep Wrangler and decided to restore it. As of yesterday, he 
>> convinced me to move my van out of my remaining garage stall and park on the 
>> street so he can really spread out and mess up the garage. He’s doing things 
>> with paint, so now I live in fear he’s going to spray my beloved raspberry 
>> Platypus, or maybe it will get stolen because he’s got the garage door up 
>> all the time. Or maybe we’ll all die of the paint fumes, who knows.
>> 
>> Last night things came to a real head when he asked for my socket wrench. 
>> Years ago I took the socket wrench and the 3/4” socket and kept them in my 
>> van, because that’s what both of my bike racks require. Last night he asked 
>> for it back...for keeps. I bought him this socket set when we were dating in 
>> college; we had just met and it was Christmas. He was a farm boy who was 
>> studying to be a suit, but I didn’t see why he wouldn’t like a good socket 
>> set - it was CRAFTSMAN. I think his exact words after unwrapping the gift 
>> were...”You don’t know me, do you.” And he was right. But now he’s returning 
>> to his roots. He sheds that suit and he turns on country music and he gets 
>> tools and he’s ripping apart that Jeep. Today I went to Lowe’s and spent a 
>> whopping $37 on one socket wrench and one socket in 3/4”. I bought Craftsman 
>> because it’s cheaper than a divorce (I’m kidding. Kind of.). 
>> 
>> Here are photos of the pathetic little spaces I’m left with, and of my 
>> glorious new socket wrench.You’ll note my one little tool bag (I bought one 
>> that didn’t scream TOOLS IN HERE to throw him off my trail). I have a 
>> make-up bag (!) in the van and that is where my socket wrench and bike rack 
>> parts are. Not pictured are my bike stand and my air compressor.  
>> Leah 
>> PS I actually adore him. I just think socket wrenches are like underwear - 
>> you should only have use of your own.
>>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 11:14:49 AM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm a bit late as well, but I've really enjoyed seeing everyone's work 
>>> space and have gotten some good ideas from y'all. And hopefully we can keep 
>>> this thread going and see more of your shop spaces. Here's a pic of my 
>>> workbench: I moved the bike stand for the shot, but it lives on the 
>>> cardboard you can see at the corner of the pic, and most of the bikes are 
>>> hung up on the wall just to the left of the metal cabinet. Cheers,
>>> 
>>> ~Mark 
>>> Raleigh, NC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Mar 19, 2021, at 19:40, Eric Marth  wrote:
> 
 Dang, glad you made it Rich! I'm really impressed with the bottle cage 
 and cup as tool holder. That's some next level stuff. I'm serious. I like 
 your shop-made tool holders as well as the base you made for the truing 
 stand. I'm with you on the plywood, nails and shop-made methods for 
 holding stuff. Table-mounted vise is cool. 
>>> 
 
 
>> On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 5:45:54 PM UTC-4 richd...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I'm very late to the party but wanted to share. I've done a lot more 
>> volunteer work- frame and wheel building for our local co-op. My frame 
>> building items are in another room and I haven't done a full-frame in 
>> almost 2 years, although I've done a lot of S and S coupler retro's 
>> which is odd. It seems repairs will come and go in cycles. My space has 
>> been taken over by various kids and family projects, which has been fun. 
>> My daughter's crafts, my son's pitching practice area, and oddly, a 
>> wrestling mat. Hey, they are only young once! My dream is a separate 
>> space outside of the house, but that is just that, a dream! 
>> -Rich in Des Moines
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

That's a 50cm in the pictures, overall length = 6' or 72" already as shown. 
Worst case a 60 would be another 5% give or take, so around 75".

On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 3:43:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The length you're getting is about 72 inches. I'm getting 74 on my 54cm 
> custom and 53cm Susie, both with 650B wheels. I think it's safe to assume a 
> 60cm Platy with 700C wheels will be in the range of my bikes, so the Amtrak 
> plan is probably not workable. I'm curious what the full length of Leah's 
> 55 Platy is. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 1:21:18 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Is there a draftsperson in house? Oh yes...
>>
>> Extrapolating the chain guard (which I have here & can measure) I was 
>> able to scale up one of the online pictures. Metric and old money too, 
>> should be pretty close allowing for some lens distortion.
>>
>> [image: Plat Dims.png]
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 3:09:15 PM UTC-5 Emily Guise wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know how long the Platypuses will be? I was trying to figure 
>>> out if the 60cm size would fit within the Amtrak bike dimensions for 
>>> roll-on service, which is 70" x 41" x 8.5". I couldn't find the info on 
>>> the Riv site. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:28:20 AM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>>>
 The bike looks good in its element.

 On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Amen, Philip. And thanks! 
>
> The winds died down this evening and I made it out for 12 or 13 miles 
> and this is what all the PlatyPeople have to look forward to. Look at 
> that 
> luscious silhouette. Coming soon.
>
> Two more days, my friends...
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
> Weight does matter and your advice is very sage & spot on. A sub 30lb 
> bike (unloaded) is a good goal, it will accelerate nicely away from a 
> stop, 
> be able to maintain momentum on hills & with headwinds & you will enjoy 
> those far longer than the pain of the cost of parts to achieve it. It's a 
> matter of proportion, as we were discussing on a separate thread, you can 
> save 4lbs choosing the right (or wrong) tire, that's the real deal right 
> there. The weight-weenie really only comes into play when you're spending 
> $100s or $1,000s to save a handful of grams, sensible choices will 
> deliver 
> a much more enjoyable bike.
>
>
> 200 grams is sort of my reference point, that's about 1/2lb & easy to 
> remember. Below that I think we're at semantics, above & we've got real 
> gains to be had. Also, think about how much permanent carrying capacity 
> you 
> really need, even the best racks are heavy & for occasional big loads 
> there's plenty of temporary options that are easily removed once you get 
> back from Trader Joes (I picked up coffee today).
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 7:11:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Aw shucks, it was my pleasure. I’m so happy that you were able to 
>> make the right call re: your Dad’s forever bike. What color did you 
>> score? 
>>
>> Lastly, one final tip from me... I’d spend the money you saved buying 
>> light parts, if the bike is not a complete. The Clems are gems, as I 
>> like 
>> to say, but they are stout. Analog Cycles has been really resourceful in 
>> getting my Clem lightened up. I know I’m sticking my neck way out here 
>> because there are 10 guys at least waiting to tell me weight doesn’t 
>> matter, but that is just not my experience. It matters. Especially when 
>> you’re older. “Here I stand; I can do no other. God help me.” 
>>
>> All the best to your dad and his new Clem! And to you if you get a 
>> Platy - be sure to let us know.
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Jonny P  wrote:
>>
>> Leah's video was a HUGE help in the decision making process for my 
>> dad's bike. It highlighted the differences and dismounting very well. My 
>> dad was totally blown away that someone would be so kind as to go 
>> through 
>> that effort for a stranger. I was, too. Ultimately, my dad decided that 
>> if 
>> we are spending this kind of money, he wants a bike that he is confident 
>> will fit until his days on earth are through. This will be a big step up 
>> from his Surly. So, we're going from the gorgeous mermaid platy to the 
>> Clem 
>> L -- still a beautiful bike -- but just not that pretty color I was so 
>> excited to see.
>>
>>
>> The RBW community came through as well in helping me track down a 
>> 59cm Clem L complete. Mark of Saturday Cycles in SLC, UT reached out 
>> that 
>> they had 

[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

[Paul Richardson]

how about adding a browser tab icon ("favicon" i suppose they're called)?  
i might be wrong, but i think i remember one on the previous iteration of 
the site.

paul
takoma park, md.

On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 5:23:32 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:

> Since I last posted the situation seems to be much better:
> Now you can hover on the "bikes" menu up top and you immediately get a 
> drop down of the bikes! They are, after all, the pride and joy of this BIKE 
> company!
>
> Good job,
>
> Edwin
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's see your shop and workbench

[George Schick]

TMI...sort of.

On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 3:25:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 3CCA3ECE-8829-4A55-93A7-A81260370674.jpeg][image: 
> D2FD6A08-47A1-4681-A016-235F9296ADFF.jpeg][image: 
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> 7A7E96CB-F29F-42A6-82FA-58C4DE913B48.jpeg]
>
> I’m glad this thread was resurrected because I’m in fine fighting form 
> today about my garage.
>
> For years, 2 of the 3 stalls were mine. The third stall was for my deep 
> freezer, bikes and the tiny amount of tools/pieces/parts that go with the 
> bikes. But now big things are happening in my household. JP got himself a 
> motorcycle, so that went to live in the bike stall. Then, he inherited his 
> Dad’s 1995 Jeep Wrangler and decided to restore it. As of yesterday, he 
> convinced me to move my van out of my remaining garage stall and park on 
> the street so he can really spread out and mess up the garage. He’s doing 
> things with paint, so now I live in fear he’s going to spray my beloved 
> raspberry Platypus, or maybe it will get stolen because he’s got the garage 
> door up all the time. Or maybe we’ll all die of the paint fumes, who knows.
>
> Last night things came to a real head when he asked for my socket wrench. 
> Years 
> ago I took the socket wrench and the 3/4” socket and kept them in my van, 
> because that’s what both of my bike racks require. Last night he asked for 
> it back...for keeps. I bought him this socket set when we were dating in 
> college; we had just met and it was Christmas. He was a farm boy who was 
> studying to be a suit, but I didn’t see why he wouldn’t like a good socket 
> set - it was CRAFTSMAN. I think his exact words after unwrapping the gift 
> were...”You don’t know me, do you.” And he was right. But now he’s 
> returning to his roots. He sheds that suit and he turns on country music 
> and he gets tools and he’s ripping apart that Jeep. Today I went to Lowe’s 
> and spent a whopping $37 on one socket wrench and one socket in 3/4”. I 
> bought Craftsman because it’s cheaper than a divorce (I’m kidding. Kind 
> of.). 
>
> Here are photos of the pathetic little spaces I’m left with, and of my 
> glorious new socket wrench.You’ll note my one little tool bag (I bought 
> one that didn’t scream TOOLS IN HERE to throw him off my trail). I have a 
> make-up bag (!) in the van and that is where my socket wrench and bike rack 
> parts are. Not pictured are my bike stand and my air compressor.  
> Leah 
> PS I actually adore him. I just think socket wrenches are like underwear - 
> you should only have use of your own.
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 11:14:49 AM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm a bit late as well, but I've really enjoyed seeing everyone's work 
>> space and have gotten some good ideas from y'all. And hopefully we can keep 
>> this thread going and see more of your shop spaces. Here's a pic of my 
>> workbench: I moved the bike stand for the shot, but it lives on the 
>> cardboard you can see at the corner of the pic, and most of the bikes are 
>> hung up on the wall just to the left of the metal cabinet. Cheers,
>>
>> ~Mark 
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 19, 2021, at 19:40, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Dang, glad you made it Rich! I'm *really *impressed with the bottle 
>> cage and cup as tool holder. That's some next level stuff. I'm serious. I 
>> like your shop-made tool holders as well as the base you made for the 
>> truing stand. I'm with you on the plywood, nails and shop-made methods for 
>> holding stuff. Table-mounted vise is cool. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 5:45:54 PM UTC-4 richd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm very late to the party but wanted to share. I've done a lot more 
>>> volunteer work- frame and wheel building for our local co-op. My frame 
>>> building items are in another room and I haven't done a full-frame in 
>>> almost 2 years, although I've done a lot of S and S coupler retro's which 
>>> is odd. It seems repairs will come and go in cycles. My space has been 
>>> taken over by various kids and family projects, which has been fun. My 
>>> daughter's crafts, my son's pitching practice area, and oddly, a wrestling 
>>> mat. Hey, they are only young once! My dream is a separate space outside of 
>>> the house, but that is just that, a dream! 
>>> -Rich in Des Moines
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Joe Bernard]

The length you're getting is about 72 inches. I'm getting 74 on my 54cm 
custom and 53cm Susie, both with 650B wheels. I think it's safe to assume a 
60cm Platy with 700C wheels will be in the range of my bikes, so the Amtrak 
plan is probably not workable. I'm curious what the full length of Leah's 
55 Platy is. 


On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 1:21:18 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Is there a draftsperson in house? Oh yes...
>
> Extrapolating the chain guard (which I have here & can measure) I was able 
> to scale up one of the online pictures. Metric and old money too, should be 
> pretty close allowing for some lens distortion.
>
> [image: Plat Dims.png]
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 3:09:15 PM UTC-5 Emily Guise wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know how long the Platypuses will be? I was trying to figure 
>> out if the 60cm size would fit within the Amtrak bike dimensions for 
>> roll-on service, which is 70" x 41" x 8.5". I couldn't find the info on 
>> the Riv site. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:28:20 AM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>>
>>> The bike looks good in its element.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Amen, Philip. And thanks! 

 The winds died down this evening and I made it out for 12 or 13 miles 
 and this is what all the PlatyPeople have to look forward to. Look at that 
 luscious silhouette. Coming soon.

 Two more days, my friends...



 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Philip Barrett  
 wrote:

 Weight does matter and your advice is very sage & spot on. A sub 30lb 
 bike (unloaded) is a good goal, it will accelerate nicely away from a 
 stop, 
 be able to maintain momentum on hills & with headwinds & you will enjoy 
 those far longer than the pain of the cost of parts to achieve it. It's a 
 matter of proportion, as we were discussing on a separate thread, you can 
 save 4lbs choosing the right (or wrong) tire, that's the real deal right 
 there. The weight-weenie really only comes into play when you're spending 
 $100s or $1,000s to save a handful of grams, sensible choices will deliver 
 a much more enjoyable bike.


 200 grams is sort of my reference point, that's about 1/2lb & easy to 
 remember. Below that I think we're at semantics, above & we've got real 
 gains to be had. Also, think about how much permanent carrying capacity 
 you 
 really need, even the best racks are heavy & for occasional big loads 
 there's plenty of temporary options that are easily removed once you get 
 back from Trader Joes (I picked up coffee today).



 On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 7:11:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Aw shucks, it was my pleasure. I’m so happy that you were able to make 
> the right call re: your Dad’s forever bike. What color did you score? 
>
> Lastly, one final tip from me... I’d spend the money you saved buying 
> light parts, if the bike is not a complete. The Clems are gems, as I like 
> to say, but they are stout. Analog Cycles has been really resourceful in 
> getting my Clem lightened up. I know I’m sticking my neck way out here 
> because there are 10 guys at least waiting to tell me weight doesn’t 
> matter, but that is just not my experience. It matters. Especially when 
> you’re older. “Here I stand; I can do no other. God help me.” 
>
> All the best to your dad and his new Clem! And to you if you get a 
> Platy - be sure to let us know.
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Jonny P  wrote:
>
> Leah's video was a HUGE help in the decision making process for my 
> dad's bike. It highlighted the differences and dismounting very well. My 
> dad was totally blown away that someone would be so kind as to go through 
> that effort for a stranger. I was, too. Ultimately, my dad decided that 
> if 
> we are spending this kind of money, he wants a bike that he is confident 
> will fit until his days on earth are through. This will be a big step up 
> from his Surly. So, we're going from the gorgeous mermaid platy to the 
> Clem 
> L -- still a beautiful bike -- but just not that pretty color I was so 
> excited to see.
>
>
> The RBW community came through as well in helping me track down a 59cm 
> Clem L complete. Mark of Saturday Cycles in SLC, UT reached out that they 
> had one in stock. It will be packed up and sent to the PNW in the coming 
> week. 
>
> I got a referral bonus at work and depending on my partner, Elise, 
> maybe I will get a platypus of my own. It will hold me over until my 
> custom 
> frame being built by a friend in SLC, UT is done this summer. 
>
> Thank you all! I cannot wait to see 

Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Leah Peterson]

I can tell you the wheelbase (which is what you’ll need to know, right?) of my 
55 cm is approx. 47 1/4 inches. Not sure what a 60 would be but Philip sounds 
like he knows how to figure it out!

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:09 PM, Emily Guise  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know how long the Platypuses will be? I was trying to figure out 
> if the 60cm size would fit within the Amtrak bike dimensions for roll-on 
> service, which is 70" x 41" x 8.5". I couldn't find the info on the Riv site. 
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:28:20 AM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>> The bike looks good in its element.
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>> Amen, Philip. And thanks! 
>>> 
>>> The winds died down this evening and I made it out for 12 or 13 miles and 
>>> this is what all the PlatyPeople have to look forward to. Look at that 
>>> luscious silhouette. Coming soon.
>>> 
>>> Two more days, my friends...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
> 
 Weight does matter and your advice is very sage & spot on. A sub 30lb 
 bike (unloaded) is a good goal, it will accelerate nicely away from a 
 stop, be able to maintain momentum on hills & with headwinds & you will 
 enjoy those far longer than the pain of the cost of parts to achieve it. 
 It's a matter of proportion, as we were discussing on a separate thread, 
 you can save 4lbs choosing the right (or wrong) tire, that's the real deal 
 right there. The weight-weenie really only comes into play when you're 
 spending $100s or $1,000s to save a handful of grams, sensible choices 
 will deliver a much more enjoyable bike.
>>> 
 
 200 grams is sort of my reference point, that's about 1/2lb & easy to 
 remember. Below that I think we're at semantics, above & we've got real 
 gains to be had. Also, think about how much permanent carrying capacity 
 you really need, even the best racks are heavy & for occasional big loads 
 there's plenty of temporary options that are easily removed once you get 
 back from Trader Joes (I picked up coffee today).
 
 
 
> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 7:11:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
> Aw shucks, it was my pleasure. I’m so happy that you were able to make 
> the right call re: your Dad’s forever bike. What color did you score? 
> 
> Lastly, one final tip from me... I’d spend the money you saved buying 
> light parts, if the bike is not a complete. The Clems are gems, as I like 
> to say, but they are stout. Analog Cycles has been really resourceful in 
> getting my Clem lightened up. I know I’m sticking my neck way out here 
> because there are 10 guys at least waiting to tell me weight doesn’t 
> matter, but that is just not my experience. It matters. Especially when 
> you’re older. “Here I stand; I can do no other. God help me.” 
> 
> All the best to your dad and his new Clem! And to you if you get a Platy 
> - be sure to let us know.
> Leah
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Jonny P  wrote:
>>> 
>> Leah's video was a HUGE help in the decision making process for my 
>> dad's bike. It highlighted the differences and dismounting very well. My 
>> dad was totally blown away that someone would be so kind as to go 
>> through that effort for a stranger. I was, too. Ultimately, my dad 
>> decided that if we are spending this kind of money, he wants a bike that 
>> he is confident will fit until his days on earth are through. This will 
>> be a big step up from his Surly. So, we're going from the gorgeous 
>> mermaid platy to the Clem L -- still a beautiful bike -- but just not 
>> that pretty color I was so excited to see.
> 
>> 
>> The RBW community came through as well in helping me track down a 59cm 
>> Clem L complete. Mark of Saturday Cycles in SLC, UT reached out that 
>> they had one in stock. It will be packed up and sent to the PNW in the 
>> coming week. 
>> 
>> I got a referral bonus at work and depending on my partner, Elise, maybe 
>> I will get a platypus of my own. It will hold me over until my custom 
>> frame being built by a friend in SLC, UT is done this summer. 
>> 
>> Thank you all! I cannot wait to see wild Platypii here and in the wild. 
>> 
>> Jonathan P.
>> Seattle, WA
>> 
>>> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 7:16:58 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>> I sent a video with stills to try to show the differences between Platy 
>>> and Clem. It was rather hastily shot, and I should have worn pants 
>>> instead of a tennis skirt so you could better gauge where that top tube 
>>> hits,  but it’s passable. 
>>> 
>>> If anyone has Jonathan’s 

Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Emily Guise]

Does anyone know how long the Platypuses will be? I was trying to figure 
out if the 60cm size would fit within the Amtrak bike dimensions for 
roll-on service, which is 70" x 41" x 8.5". I couldn't find the info on the 
Riv site. 

On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:28:20 AM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> The bike looks good in its element.
>
> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Amen, Philip. And thanks! 
>>
>> The winds died down this evening and I made it out for 12 or 13 miles and 
>> this is what all the PlatyPeople have to look forward to. Look at that 
>> luscious silhouette. Coming soon.
>>
>> Two more days, my friends...
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>>
>> Weight does matter and your advice is very sage & spot on. A sub 30lb 
>> bike (unloaded) is a good goal, it will accelerate nicely away from a stop, 
>> be able to maintain momentum on hills & with headwinds & you will enjoy 
>> those far longer than the pain of the cost of parts to achieve it. It's a 
>> matter of proportion, as we were discussing on a separate thread, you can 
>> save 4lbs choosing the right (or wrong) tire, that's the real deal right 
>> there. The weight-weenie really only comes into play when you're spending 
>> $100s or $1,000s to save a handful of grams, sensible choices will deliver 
>> a much more enjoyable bike.
>>
>>
>> 200 grams is sort of my reference point, that's about 1/2lb & easy to 
>> remember. Below that I think we're at semantics, above & we've got real 
>> gains to be had. Also, think about how much permanent carrying capacity you 
>> really need, even the best racks are heavy & for occasional big loads 
>> there's plenty of temporary options that are easily removed once you get 
>> back from Trader Joes (I picked up coffee today).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 7:11:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Aw shucks, it was my pleasure. I’m so happy that you were able to make 
>>> the right call re: your Dad’s forever bike. What color did you score? 
>>>
>>> Lastly, one final tip from me... I’d spend the money you saved buying 
>>> light parts, if the bike is not a complete. The Clems are gems, as I like 
>>> to say, but they are stout. Analog Cycles has been really resourceful in 
>>> getting my Clem lightened up. I know I’m sticking my neck way out here 
>>> because there are 10 guys at least waiting to tell me weight doesn’t 
>>> matter, but that is just not my experience. It matters. Especially when 
>>> you’re older. “Here I stand; I can do no other. God help me.” 
>>>
>>> All the best to your dad and his new Clem! And to you if you get a Platy 
>>> - be sure to let us know.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Jonny P  wrote:
>>>
>>> Leah's video was a HUGE help in the decision making process for my 
>>> dad's bike. It highlighted the differences and dismounting very well. My 
>>> dad was totally blown away that someone would be so kind as to go through 
>>> that effort for a stranger. I was, too. Ultimately, my dad decided that if 
>>> we are spending this kind of money, he wants a bike that he is confident 
>>> will fit until his days on earth are through. This will be a big step up 
>>> from his Surly. So, we're going from the gorgeous mermaid platy to the Clem 
>>> L -- still a beautiful bike -- but just not that pretty color I was so 
>>> excited to see.
>>>
>>>
>>> The RBW community came through as well in helping me track down a 59cm 
>>> Clem L complete. Mark of Saturday Cycles in SLC, UT reached out that they 
>>> had one in stock. It will be packed up and sent to the PNW in the coming 
>>> week. 
>>>
>>> I got a referral bonus at work and depending on my partner, Elise, maybe 
>>> I will get a platypus of my own. It will hold me over until my custom frame 
>>> being built by a friend in SLC, UT is done this summer. 
>>>
>>> Thank you all! I cannot wait to see wild Platypii here and in the wild. 
>>>
>>> Jonathan P.
>>> Seattle, WA
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 7:16:58 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I sent a video with stills to try to show the differences between Platy 
 and Clem. It was rather hastily shot, and I should have worn pants instead 
 of a tennis skirt so you could better gauge where that top tube hits,  but 
 it’s passable. 

 If anyone has Jonathan’s quandary about which Rivendell is better for 
 you - step-over vs step-thru, email me and I’ll send the video your way.
 Leah

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 29, 2021, at 5:14 PM, Jonny P  wrote:

 Joe & Leah, thank you both for the replies. They're helpful in the 
 decision making process. It sounds from both of you like stepping through 
 is a little easier on the Clem than that Cheviot/Platypus. Given RBW 
 propensity to not really give frame measurements, it 

[RBW] Re: Ride Report

[Ben Miller]

Irv, 

Very inspiring. Looking and feeling great at any age is impressive, but to 
do it for so long is truly great. Hope to hear more of your radical 
adventures.

Ben

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 5:36:29 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Hi Irv,
>
> That is a fantastic write-up. How do you stay in such good shape to ride 
> that much? I am in my late thirties now and would love to continue riding 
> as many years as you have. Also post a picture of your Appaloosa with your 
> full load of camping gear!
>
> Michael
>
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:27:32 PM UTC-4 Irv Hoffman wrote:
>
>> Thought someone might be interested in this story which appears in the 
>> current *Atlanta* magazine.
>> All my rides were on a Romulus except my recent ride from ATL to Key West 
>> and back which was on a new Appaloosa. All were self contained with full 
>> loads. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Fattest Tire on a QB?

[Jeremy Till]

Like John G I maxed out my orange QB with 700x45 Specialized Fatboys 
shortly before I sold it. Here's a set of pictures I took for the buyer 
showing the clearance: 

https://flic.kr/s/aHskJEmRH3

It looks like chainstay clearance was the limiting factor. If I remember 
correctly these measured a little narrower than marked on H Plus Son TB14 
rims.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 10:13:08 AM UTC-7 John G wrote:

> Specialized Fatboy 45s, although I've recently gone back to 32s
> https://flic.kr/p/2hFGfWf
>
> John G
> Union Bridge, MD
>
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:52:45 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>
>> Edit: by ROSE I meant RACE. The names are confusing to me still.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 9:45:11 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> The largest I've confidently fit on my orange 56 were Soma Cazadero 42s, 
>>> Dyad rims, wheel around the back-middle of the dropouts. 
>>> I never tried any wider, as the chainstay clearance looks like the max 
>>> for my piece of mind. (I like riding it on rougher stuff than paved stuff, 
>>> so a hairline clearance is not an option for me)
>>>
>>> I'd be willing to bet that the UDs will fit. AND I may end up doing the 
>>> same move once I put the QB back together. I have the 650b ROSE "mullet" 
>>> set-up on my custom Bantam and the combination of knobs in front and file 
>>> tread in back is super fun on trails, good enough on pavement.
>>>
>>> Patch
>>> BK/NY
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:03:46 PM UTC-4 Jim M. wrote:
>>>
 I had Big Apple 50s on mine. Fit was maybe a little tight but no paint 
 rubbed off, so I think it was good.

 jim m
 walnut creek, ca

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 On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 3:56:33 PM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> RG,   I used to be able to fit BG rock n roads ( 700x43) on my Orange 
> 64 QB a few years back with the wheel in the middle to rear of the 
> dropouts.   And the RnRs have some decent side knobs to take into 
> account. 
>  Not sure of exact mm clearance on each side but it was fine.-Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 28, 2021, at 11:56 AM, Robert Gardner  
> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone --
>
> I recently saw a post on Instagram (which I have subsequently 
> lost track of) that showed a QB rocking Ultradynamico 700ccs (I think 
> they 
> were the Rosè racers). 
>
> As I am in the market for some new rubber I thought -- WOWZA -- that 
> would be fun. So, I'm throwing myself at the mercy of the few the proud 
> the 
> QB riders on this list. What's the fattest you've been able to go on a QB 
> (if it helps, I ride a 58...)
>
> Thanks all --
>
> RGinDC
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Clark Fitzgerald]

The bike looks good in its element.

On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Amen, Philip. And thanks! 
>
> The winds died down this evening and I made it out for 12 or 13 miles and 
> this is what all the PlatyPeople have to look forward to. Look at that 
> luscious silhouette. Coming soon.
>
> Two more days, my friends...
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> Weight does matter and your advice is very sage & spot on. A sub 30lb 
> bike (unloaded) is a good goal, it will accelerate nicely away from a stop, 
> be able to maintain momentum on hills & with headwinds & you will enjoy 
> those far longer than the pain of the cost of parts to achieve it. It's a 
> matter of proportion, as we were discussing on a separate thread, you can 
> save 4lbs choosing the right (or wrong) tire, that's the real deal right 
> there. The weight-weenie really only comes into play when you're spending 
> $100s or $1,000s to save a handful of grams, sensible choices will deliver 
> a much more enjoyable bike.
>
>
> 200 grams is sort of my reference point, that's about 1/2lb & easy to 
> remember. Below that I think we're at semantics, above & we've got real 
> gains to be had. Also, think about how much permanent carrying capacity you 
> really need, even the best racks are heavy & for occasional big loads 
> there's plenty of temporary options that are easily removed once you get 
> back from Trader Joes (I picked up coffee today).
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 7:11:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Aw shucks, it was my pleasure. I’m so happy that you were able to make 
>> the right call re: your Dad’s forever bike. What color did you score? 
>>
>> Lastly, one final tip from me... I’d spend the money you saved buying 
>> light parts, if the bike is not a complete. The Clems are gems, as I like 
>> to say, but they are stout. Analog Cycles has been really resourceful in 
>> getting my Clem lightened up. I know I’m sticking my neck way out here 
>> because there are 10 guys at least waiting to tell me weight doesn’t 
>> matter, but that is just not my experience. It matters. Especially when 
>> you’re older. “Here I stand; I can do no other. God help me.” 
>>
>> All the best to your dad and his new Clem! And to you if you get a Platy 
>> - be sure to let us know.
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:01 PM, Jonny P  wrote:
>>
>> Leah's video was a HUGE help in the decision making process for my dad's 
>> bike. It highlighted the differences and dismounting very well. My dad was 
>> totally blown away that someone would be so kind as to go through that 
>> effort for a stranger. I was, too. Ultimately, my dad decided that if we 
>> are spending this kind of money, he wants a bike that he is confident will 
>> fit until his days on earth are through. This will be a big step up from 
>> his Surly. So, we're going from the gorgeous mermaid platy to the Clem L -- 
>> still a beautiful bike -- but just not that pretty color I was so excited 
>> to see.
>>
>>
>> The RBW community came through as well in helping me track down a 59cm 
>> Clem L complete. Mark of Saturday Cycles in SLC, UT reached out that they 
>> had one in stock. It will be packed up and sent to the PNW in the coming 
>> week. 
>>
>> I got a referral bonus at work and depending on my partner, Elise, maybe 
>> I will get a platypus of my own. It will hold me over until my custom frame 
>> being built by a friend in SLC, UT is done this summer. 
>>
>> Thank you all! I cannot wait to see wild Platypii here and in the wild. 
>>
>> Jonathan P.
>> Seattle, WA
>>
>> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 7:16:58 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I sent a video with stills to try to show the differences between Platy 
>>> and Clem. It was rather hastily shot, and I should have worn pants instead 
>>> of a tennis skirt so you could better gauge where that top tube hits,  but 
>>> it’s passable. 
>>>
>>> If anyone has Jonathan’s quandary about which Rivendell is better for 
>>> you - step-over vs step-thru, email me and I’ll send the video your way.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 5:14 PM, Jonny P  wrote:
>>>
>>> Joe & Leah, thank you both for the replies. They're helpful in the 
>>> decision making process. It sounds from both of you like stepping through 
>>> is a little easier on the Clem than that Cheviot/Platypus. Given RBW 
>>> propensity to not really give frame measurements, it is hard for me to 
>>> discern just what kind of difference we are talking about here. The steeper 
>>> angle down then the swoop up on the Clem is probably the reason for that. 
>>> When I called and spoke with Will a few weeks ago, he made it sound like 
>>> difference in step through height is negligible -- yet both of you make it 
>>> seem it is more than that. A little thinking to do, for certain. 
>>>
>>>