[RBW] Re: FS: Cranks, shifters, stem, derailleur

[Michael Ullmer]

More sold, here's what's left.

1) Shimano Deore FC-MT60 170mm 110/74 Triple Cranks - SOLD
--Cleaned up pretty well. No rings, but comes with all the chainring 
bolts/spacers and dust covers.

2) Suntour Power Ratchet Stem Shifters - SOLD
--Very clean and work great. Same ratchet action as Suntour Barcons

3) Nitto Periscopa Stem 25.4 Clamp -SOLD
--Came on a bike I bought for my partner. Previous owner banged the top of 
it pretty hard, cosmetic damage only.

4) Deore XT 3x7 Shifters/Levers - $30 shipped CONUS
--Fairly clean, short pull, some rust on the bolts. Rubber covers still 
intact.

5) Shimano 105 FD-1050 Front Derailleur 28.6 Clamp - $25 shipped CONUS

Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yTkGDtZRH66wzE7B9

On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 6:29:09 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Update:
>
> 1) Shimano Deore FC-MT60 170mm 110/74 Triple Cranks - $35 shipped CONUS
> --Cleaned up pretty well. No rings, but comes with all the chainring 
> bolts/spacers and dust covers.
>
> 2) Suntour Power Ratchet Stem Shifters - SOLD
> --Very clean and work great. Same ratchet action as Suntour Barcons
>
> 3) Nitto Periscopa Stem 25.4 Clamp - $27shipped CONUS
> --Came on a bike I bought for my partner. Previous owner banged the top of 
> it pretty hard, cosmetic damage only.
>
> 4) Deore XT 3x7 Shifters/Levers - $30 shipped CONUS
> --Fairly clean, short pull, some rust on the bolts. Rubber covers still 
> intact.
>
> 5) Shimano 105 FD-1050 Front Derailleur 28.6 Clamp - $25 shipped CONUS
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yTkGDtZRH66wzE7B9
>
> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 4:03:46 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> Someone kindly pointed out that the Nitto stem is actually a periscopa. 
>> As such, price is adjusted to $27 shipped
>>
>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 12:24:12 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> Cross-posted from the i-bob list. More cleaning of the parts bin:
>>>
>>> 1) Shimano Deore FC-MT60 170mm 110/74 Triple Cranks - $35 shipped CONUS
>>> --Cleaned up pretty well. No rings, but comes with all the chainring 
>>> bolts/spacers and dust covers.
>>>
>>> 2) Suntour Power Ratchet Stem Shifters - $35 shipped CONUS
>>> --Very clean and work great. Same ratchet action as Suntour Barcons
>>>
>>> 3) Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 25.4 Clamp - $35 shipped CONUS
>>> --Came on a bike I bought for my partner. Previous owner banged the top 
>>> of it pretty hard, cosmetic damage only.
>>>
>>> 4) Deore XT 3x7 Shifters/Levers - $30 shipped CONUS
>>> --Fairly clean, short pull, some rust on the bolts. Rubber covers still 
>>> intact.
>>>
>>> 5) Shimano 105 FD-1050 Front Derailleur 28.6 Clamp - $25 shipped CONUS
>>>
>>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yTkGDtZRH66wzE7B9
>>>
>>> PM off-list
>>>
>>> Mike in Seattle
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Cranks, shifters, stem, derailleur

[Michael Ullmer]

Update:

1) Shimano Deore FC-MT60 170mm 110/74 Triple Cranks - $35 shipped CONUS
--Cleaned up pretty well. No rings, but comes with all the chainring 
bolts/spacers and dust covers.

2) Suntour Power Ratchet Stem Shifters - SOLD
--Very clean and work great. Same ratchet action as Suntour Barcons

3) Nitto Periscopa Stem 25.4 Clamp - $27shipped CONUS
--Came on a bike I bought for my partner. Previous owner banged the top of 
it pretty hard, cosmetic damage only.

4) Deore XT 3x7 Shifters/Levers - $30 shipped CONUS
--Fairly clean, short pull, some rust on the bolts. Rubber covers still 
intact.

5) Shimano 105 FD-1050 Front Derailleur 28.6 Clamp - $25 shipped CONUS

Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yTkGDtZRH66wzE7B9

On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 4:03:46 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Someone kindly pointed out that the Nitto stem is actually a periscopa. As 
> such, price is adjusted to $27 shipped
>
> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 12:24:12 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> Cross-posted from the i-bob list. More cleaning of the parts bin:
>>
>> 1) Shimano Deore FC-MT60 170mm 110/74 Triple Cranks - $35 shipped CONUS
>> --Cleaned up pretty well. No rings, but comes with all the chainring 
>> bolts/spacers and dust covers.
>>
>> 2) Suntour Power Ratchet Stem Shifters - $35 shipped CONUS
>> --Very clean and work great. Same ratchet action as Suntour Barcons
>>
>> 3) Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 25.4 Clamp - $35 shipped CONUS
>> --Came on a bike I bought for my partner. Previous owner banged the top 
>> of it pretty hard, cosmetic damage only.
>>
>> 4) Deore XT 3x7 Shifters/Levers - $30 shipped CONUS
>> --Fairly clean, short pull, some rust on the bolts. Rubber covers still 
>> intact.
>>
>> 5) Shimano 105 FD-1050 Front Derailleur 28.6 Clamp - $25 shipped CONUS
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yTkGDtZRH66wzE7B9
>>
>> PM off-list
>>
>> Mike in Seattle
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Cranks, shifters, stem, derailleur

[Michael Ullmer]

Someone kindly pointed out that the Nitto stem is actually a periscopa. As 
such, price is adjusted to $27 shipped

On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 12:24:12 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Cross-posted from the i-bob list. More cleaning of the parts bin:
>
> 1) Shimano Deore FC-MT60 170mm 110/74 Triple Cranks - $35 shipped CONUS
> --Cleaned up pretty well. No rings, but comes with all the chainring 
> bolts/spacers and dust covers.
>
> 2) Suntour Power Ratchet Stem Shifters - $35 shipped CONUS
> --Very clean and work great. Same ratchet action as Suntour Barcons
>
> 3) Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 25.4 Clamp - $35 shipped CONUS
> --Came on a bike I bought for my partner. Previous owner banged the top of 
> it pretty hard, cosmetic damage only.
>
> 4) Deore XT 3x7 Shifters/Levers - $30 shipped CONUS
> --Fairly clean, short pull, some rust on the bolts. Rubber covers still 
> intact.
>
> 5) Shimano 105 FD-1050 Front Derailleur 28.6 Clamp - $25 shipped CONUS
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yTkGDtZRH66wzE7B9
>
> PM off-list
>
> Mike in Seattle
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Share More Riv Riding Pics

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi Jason,

Super happy "New Bike Day" you really picked a great whip as your first
Rivendell. I did the same back in 2012 when I purchased a new A. H. Hilsen.

You also picked one of my favorite locations to ride to and photograph.

Best,

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein






On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 8:44 AM Jason Glenn  wrote:

> hi, all.  bought my first riv -- my dream bike! -- yesterday from someone
> in this group.  got it home and tuned it up, but too late to take it out
> for my first ride.  had to wait until today.  forgive the lighting on the
> pic, i'm a terrible photographer, but you may be able to make out that it's
> a homer.  just love it!
>
> jason
> (los angeles)
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:10:20 AM UTC-7 nus...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not my Riv, but Riv-ish: I took my Box Dog Pelican out for a sunrise
>> spin this morning in Colorado Springs. Perfect fall morning.
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pick your brains about spoke count?

[Ron Frazelle]

Chiming in.

As a Clydesdale that "rides light" and chooses to buy quality wheels when I
don't have them built for me, I have never had in issue with 32 spokes,
ever...even loaded with bike packing gear.

In agreement with Eric and Bill.



On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 12:27 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Adding onto Eric's correct comments.  I'd say the rider technique has a
> lot to do with the reliability of wheels also.  Some riders just seem to
> know how to ride light.  Others simply don't.  There are light weight
> riders who destroy wheels because they don't know how to ride, or they do
> know and just choose to ride in a way that is harder on wheels.  There are
> clydesdales who do just fine with low spoke count wheels because they know
> what they are doing.  I think of it in the same way you observe horse
> riders.  Some people just seem to glide along, and others ride a horse like
> a bag of meal.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 11:15:47 AM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> In my experience, the quality of the rim and spokes and the skill of the
>> wheelbuilder matter much more than the spoke count. A well-made 32-spoke
>> wheel will outlive a cheap 36-spoke wheel any day.
>>
>> I’ve ended up with several bikes with 36-spoke wheels, but more by chance
>> than design. I ride on some “classic” hubs that were made at a time when 36
>> was the standard.
>>
>> --Eric N
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2021, at 11:05 AM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Lately I've noticed that many suppliers aren't offering any 36 hole rims
>> or hubs, as though they're going by the wayside.  A quick check into the
>> Phil Wood website shows they're only offering 36 hole in a few models.  And
>> another check into a major virtual bike shop with "36 hole" as a sort
>> criteria showed only 19 rims available in that count among the nearly 60
>> available in 32 hole.  BTW, when checking both sites I noticed "sold out"
>> for almost everything - scary, I think.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I would always go with the 36. One reason is that the spokes at the rim
>>> joint cross, so the spoke tension is working to close the rim joint. This
>>> was the reason to go to 44 instead of 40 or 48 many, many years ago, but I
>>> think that 44 is an obsolete spoke count at this point. Rims are so much
>>> better now that it probably does not matter any more. At 280, I have lots
>>> of bikes with 40 and 48 spoke rims. But I don't break spokes on my 32 hole
>>> rims either.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 6:39:44 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey all!
 Hypothetically...does an Atlas wheel set with 32 spokes for a 6'3" 210
 pound dude make sense if he's on an unloaded Sam and using it as an
 all-road bike? No singletrack/mountain biking, jumping, etc... Tires would
 be AT LEAST 40mm, possibly up to 44mm.

 OR...is it 36h or bust if you're a big fellow?

 Thanks,
 Ben in Omaha

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Re: [RBW] Re: Adventure Novels

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, very much +1 for O'Brien. His works (like John Le Carre's) really
amount to minor literature, so well does he depict character and the way it
drives action and reaction, for his technical knowledge of fully-rigged
sailing (he has been praised for accuracy by sailors, apparently), and his
light but compelling style with a tongue in cheek quality that does not
diminish the drama.

Le Carre's earlier works, particularly the Karla Trilogy and up to about
Absolute Friends. I don't think his earliest or his later books are as
good. And you can find the BBC's excellent dramatization with Alec Guiness;
far better than subsequent adaptions, IMO.

Bernard Cornwell's Sharpe series. Cornwell is not at all as good as O'Brien
or Le Carre, but he's good enough historically and literarily; but avoid
his medieval stuff that is just psychologically and emotionally
anachronistic; people didn't think like that in the "dark" or middle ages.
And since characterization drives plot and action ...

BBC or some British TV company dramatized the Sharpe series and did it well.

MacBeth. MacBeth is a very modern character, but one that fits with the
chronological setting as someone who bets his soul on advancement only to
see it, very consciously and clearly, all slip through his fingers despite
horrible crimes committed to preserve it, and he can find no other recourse
than to continue pursuing his destructive course.

Enough literary criticism. But there is so much good adventure fiction
available.

Patrick Moore, who was raised without TV in various places by a MLS mother
and a father who at one time managed the Library of Congress's Stack and
Reader Division before managing some of the library's overseas offices.

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 12:50 PM velomann  wrote:

> Most of what's mentioned here so far are not novels but non-fiction. If
> you're loking for "novel" ideas, several years ago I read through all 20.5
> of Patrick O'Brien's Aubrey-Maturin series (the movie Master and Commander
> is based on 2 or 3 of the early books). It's the best historical fiction
> I've ever read, and over the course of the series a remarkable portrayal of
> an unlikely friendship. I found the sailing/naval battle details
> fascinating, as well as the politics of Napoleonic Europe of the early 19th
> century. Recommend.
>
> Mike M
>
> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 7:15:14 PM UTC-7 J Imler wrote:
>
>> Recently I noticed the book, *The Long Walk*, in a thread with a holiday
>> flyer linked, or an older catalog maybe. I'm enjoying the true story. Years
>> ago, I was at Bike, Book, & Hatchet and Grant recommended *In the Heart
>> of the Sea* and a book about the Galveston hurricane. And one other I
>> just remembered *The Devil in the White City*.
>>
>> I've enjoyed reading most of these types of books, that involve
>> adventure/danger/even death, like *Into Thin Air*.
>>
>> Would anyone care to share any other novels that you'd recommend as the
>> darker months loom?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Adventure Novels

[John G.]

Another +1 for Patrick O'Brian. If you're not sure about Aubrey-Maturin, 
check out Voyage to Samarkand.
Rosemary Sutcliff wrote a bunch of classic historical adventure novels for 
kids in the 50s and 60s. They're quite textually sophisticated and much 
more complex than today's YA. Well worth a read.
The Long Ships by Frans Bengtsson is funny and terrific.
Kidnapped is just as good as Treasure Island. Check out the audiobook.
A Short Walk in the Hindu Kush is classic adventure nonfiction. 


On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 3:32:19 PM UTC-4 mkernan...@gmail.com wrote:

> One more recommendation:   Finding Everett Ruess.   
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 25, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Karl Wilcox  wrote:
>
> An excellent couple of mountaineering narratives (non-fiction) are 
> Herzog's 'Annapurna' and 'Minus 148: The First Winter Ascent of Mt. 
> Mckinley'.  And, then, of course, there is the incomparable 'Mawsons Will' 
> (1912 Antarctic exploration/survival story).  And, also, Ernest 
> Shackleton's amazing survival story (also Antarctica).  
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 7:15 PM J Imler  wrote:
>
>> Recently I noticed the book, *The Long Walk*, in a thread with a holiday 
>> flyer linked, or an older catalog maybe. I'm enjoying the true story. Years 
>> ago, I was at Bike, Book, & Hatchet and Grant recommended *In the Heart 
>> of the Sea* and a book about the Galveston hurricane. And one other I 
>> just remembered *The Devil in the White City*.
>>
>> I've enjoyed reading most of these types of books, that involve 
>> adventure/danger/even death, like *Into Thin Air*.
>>
>> Would anyone care to share any other novels that you'd recommend as the 
>> darker months loom?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Craigslist/others thread

[Jeffrey Marco]

64cm Rambouillet
$1100
Ypsilanti Michigan
https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/d/ypsilanti-rivendell-rambouillet-64cm/7397718017.html



59cm Clem Smith Jr. L 
$1800
Naples Florida
https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/col/bik/d/naples-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-complete/7398240898.html

No affiliation to sellers

On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:04:17 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> 62cm Sam
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-62cm-sam-hillborne-new/7385309583.html

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Re: [RBW] Adventure Novels

[Michael Williams]

One more recommendation:   Finding Everett Ruess.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Karl Wilcox  wrote:
> 
> An excellent couple of mountaineering narratives (non-fiction) are Herzog's 
> 'Annapurna' and 'Minus 148: The First Winter Ascent of Mt. Mckinley'.  And, 
> then, of course, there is the incomparable 'Mawsons Will' (1912 Antarctic 
> exploration/survival story).  And, also, Ernest Shackleton's amazing survival 
> story (also Antarctica).  
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 7:15 PM J Imler  wrote:
>> Recently I noticed the book, The Long Walk, in a thread with a holiday flyer 
>> linked, or an older catalog maybe. I'm enjoying the true story. Years ago, I 
>> was at Bike, Book, & Hatchet and Grant recommended In the Heart of the Sea 
>> and a book about the Galveston hurricane. And one other I just remembered 
>> The Devil in the White City.
>> 
>> I've enjoyed reading most of these types of books, that involve 
>> adventure/danger/even death, like Into Thin Air.
>> 
>> Would anyone care to share any other novels that you'd recommend as the 
>> darker months loom?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pick your brains about spoke count?

[Bill Lindsay]

Adding onto Eric's correct comments.  I'd say the rider technique has a lot 
to do with the reliability of wheels also.  Some riders just seem to know 
how to ride light.  Others simply don't.  There are light weight riders who 
destroy wheels because they don't know how to ride, or they do know and 
just choose to ride in a way that is harder on wheels.  There are 
clydesdales who do just fine with low spoke count wheels because they know 
what they are doing.  I think of it in the same way you observe horse 
riders.  Some people just seem to glide along, and others ride a horse like 
a bag of meal.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 11:15:47 AM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> In my experience, the quality of the rim and spokes and the skill of the 
> wheelbuilder matter much more than the spoke count. A well-made 32-spoke 
> wheel will outlive a cheap 36-spoke wheel any day. 
>
> I’ve ended up with several bikes with 36-spoke wheels, but more by chance 
> than design. I ride on some “classic” hubs that were made at a time when 36 
> was the standard. 
>
> --Eric N
>
> On Oct 25, 2021, at 11:05 AM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Lately I've noticed that many suppliers aren't offering any 36 hole rims 
> or hubs, as though they're going by the wayside.  A quick check into the 
> Phil Wood website shows they're only offering 36 hole in a few models.  And 
> another check into a major virtual bike shop with "36 hole" as a sort 
> criteria showed only 19 rims available in that count among the nearly 60 
> available in 32 hole.  BTW, when checking both sites I noticed "sold out" 
> for almost everything - scary, I think.
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> I would always go with the 36. One reason is that the spokes at the rim 
>> joint cross, so the spoke tension is working to close the rim joint. This 
>> was the reason to go to 44 instead of 40 or 48 many, many years ago, but I 
>> think that 44 is an obsolete spoke count at this point. Rims are so much 
>> better now that it probably does not matter any more. At 280, I have lots 
>> of bikes with 40 and 48 spoke rims. But I don't break spokes on my 32 hole 
>> rims either.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 6:39:44 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all!
>>> Hypothetically...does an Atlas wheel set with 32 spokes for a 6'3" 210 
>>> pound dude make sense if he's on an unloaded Sam and using it as an 
>>> all-road bike? No singletrack/mountain biking, jumping, etc... Tires would 
>>> be AT LEAST 40mm, possibly up to 44mm. 
>>>
>>> OR...is it 36h or bust if you're a big fellow? 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ben in Omaha
>>>
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[RBW] FS: Cranks, shifters, stem, derailleur

[Michael Ullmer]

Cross-posted from the i-bob list. More cleaning of the parts bin:

1) Shimano Deore FC-MT60 170mm 110/74 Triple Cranks - $35 shipped CONUS
--Cleaned up pretty well. No rings, but comes with all the chainring 
bolts/spacers and dust covers.

2) Suntour Power Ratchet Stem Shifters - $35 shipped CONUS
--Very clean and work great. Same ratchet action as Suntour Barcons

3) Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 25.4 Clamp - $35 shipped CONUS
--Came on a bike I bought for my partner. Previous owner banged the top of 
it pretty hard, cosmetic damage only.

4) Deore XT 3x7 Shifters/Levers - $30 shipped CONUS
--Fairly clean, short pull, some rust on the bolts. Rubber covers still 
intact.

5) Shimano 105 FD-1050 Front Derailleur 28.6 Clamp - $25 shipped CONUS

Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yTkGDtZRH66wzE7B9

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Re: [RBW] Adventure Novels

[Karl Wilcox]

An excellent couple of mountaineering narratives (non-fiction) are Herzog's
'Annapurna' and 'Minus 148: The First Winter Ascent of Mt. Mckinley'.  And,
then, of course, there is the incomparable 'Mawsons Will' (1912 Antarctic
exploration/survival story).  And, also, Ernest Shackleton's amazing
survival story (also Antarctica).

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 7:15 PM J Imler  wrote:

> Recently I noticed the book, *The Long Walk*, in a thread with a holiday
> flyer linked, or an older catalog maybe. I'm enjoying the true story. Years
> ago, I was at Bike, Book, & Hatchet and Grant recommended *In the Heart
> of the Sea* and a book about the Galveston hurricane. And one other I
> just remembered *The Devil in the White City*.
>
> I've enjoyed reading most of these types of books, that involve
> adventure/danger/even death, like *Into Thin Air*.
>
> Would anyone care to share any other novels that you'd recommend as the
> darker months loom?
>
> Thanks!
>
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[RBW] Re: Adventure Novels

[velomann]

Most of what's mentioned here so far are not novels but non-fiction. If 
you're loking for "novel" ideas, several years ago I read through all 20.5 
of Patrick O'Brien's Aubrey-Maturin series (the movie Master and Commander 
is based on 2 or 3 of the early books). It's the best historical fiction 
I've ever read, and over the course of the series a remarkable portrayal of 
an unlikely friendship. I found the sailing/naval battle details 
fascinating, as well as the politics of Napoleonic Europe of the early 19th 
century. Recommend.

Mike M

On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 7:15:14 PM UTC-7 J Imler wrote:

> Recently I noticed the book, *The Long Walk*, in a thread with a holiday 
> flyer linked, or an older catalog maybe. I'm enjoying the true story. Years 
> ago, I was at Bike, Book, & Hatchet and Grant recommended *In the Heart 
> of the Sea* and a book about the Galveston hurricane. And one other I 
> just remembered *The Devil in the White City*.
>
> I've enjoyed reading most of these types of books, that involve 
> adventure/danger/even death, like *Into Thin Air*.
>
> Would anyone care to share any other novels that you'd recommend as the 
> darker months loom?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pick your brains about spoke count?

[Karl Wilcox]

Improved spokes and rims have made 36 holes or higher wheels obsolete even
for heavier riders (max 200+ pounds or so).  At 210 and 2 meters tall, I
even use 32 wheels for touring with absolutely no problems.  I have been
building my own wheels for 45 years, and I can see no reason to revert back
to 36 holes unless one has a set of hubs and rims in 36 that you just want
to use.

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 11:17 AM Ben Mihovk  wrote:

> Thanks to everyone for the replies. To give more context, the wheels in
> question are the standard Velocity built wheel set (Atlas rims, velocity
> hubs) that used to be a stock wheel option. I don't know if that makes any
> kind of difference. They're old (about 8 years) and lightly used...and
> they're connected to a bike I'm looking at. I don't think it's a deal
> breaker that they're 32, but I do like the idea of 36 better.
>
> Ben
> Omaha
>
> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 1:05:36 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Lately I've noticed that many suppliers aren't offering any 36 hole rims
>> or hubs, as though they're going by the wayside.  A quick check into the
>> Phil Wood website shows they're only offering 36 hole in a few models.  And
>> another check into a major virtual bike shop with "36 hole" as a sort
>> criteria showed only 19 rims available in that count among the nearly 60
>> available in 32 hole.  BTW, when checking both sites I noticed "sold out"
>> for almost everything - scary, I think.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I would always go with the 36. One reason is that the spokes at the rim
>>> joint cross, so the spoke tension is working to close the rim joint. This
>>> was the reason to go to 44 instead of 40 or 48 many, many years ago, but I
>>> think that 44 is an obsolete spoke count at this point. Rims are so much
>>> better now that it probably does not matter any more. At 280, I have lots
>>> of bikes with 40 and 48 spoke rims. But I don't break spokes on my 32 hole
>>> rims either.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 6:39:44 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey all!
 Hypothetically...does an Atlas wheel set with 32 spokes for a 6'3" 210
 pound dude make sense if he's on an unloaded Sam and using it as an
 all-road bike? No singletrack/mountain biking, jumping, etc... Tires would
 be AT LEAST 40mm, possibly up to 44mm.

 OR...is it 36h or bust if you're a big fellow?

 Thanks,
 Ben in Omaha

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Re: [RBW] Adventure Novels

[Patrick Moore]

One more, foolish to forget it as I'm reading it now: The History of the
Conquest of Peru by William H. Prescott; I also have his History of the
Conquest of Mexico. These were written IIRC in the 1840s, but Prescott is
truly a professional historian using scrupulous research in the Spanish
colonial archives. He also has a very keen critical eye and a very eloquent
literary style, precise but very, very engaging -- wonderful. It has been
over 40 years since I last read these and I'm glad I found them again on
Kindle.

Of principal interest, to me, though is his thorough and careful
description of the ancient Andean and Mexican civilizations -- polity,
economy, arts, transport, military and religious as well as architectural
and urban--that, with the Maya and Olmecs and others that only recently
have been found by archeologists were in many respects bigger and better
than European cultures of the time. He makes much of conquistadors'
amazement at their size, sophistication, and beauty -- not that material
civilization is the ultimate criterion of human development (the Sioux or
Masaai were hardly savages).

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[RBW] Re: Pick your brains about spoke count?

[Garth]

Ben, if you call Velocity in Michigan and speak to a real live person, 
likely the same guy I spoke to. You'll find you can get 36 holes or mix and 
match f/r. You can also request double butted spokes for $30/pr extra. 

On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 2:17:08 PM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks to everyone for the replies. To give more context, the wheels in 
> question are the standard Velocity built wheel set (Atlas rims, velocity 
> hubs) that used to be a stock wheel option. I don't know if that makes any 
> kind of difference. They're old (about 8 years) and lightly used...and 
> they're connected to a bike I'm looking at. I don't think it's a deal 
> breaker that they're 32, but I do like the idea of 36 better. 
>
> Ben 
> Omaha
>
> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 1:05:36 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Lately I've noticed that many suppliers aren't offering any 36 hole rims 
>> or hubs, as though they're going by the wayside.  A quick check into the 
>> Phil Wood website shows they're only offering 36 hole in a few models.  And 
>> another check into a major virtual bike shop with "36 hole" as a sort 
>> criteria showed only 19 rims available in that count among the nearly 60 
>> available in 32 hole.  BTW, when checking both sites I noticed "sold out" 
>> for almost everything - scary, I think.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I would always go with the 36. One reason is that the spokes at the rim 
>>> joint cross, so the spoke tension is working to close the rim joint. This 
>>> was the reason to go to 44 instead of 40 or 48 many, many years ago, but I 
>>> think that 44 is an obsolete spoke count at this point. Rims are so much 
>>> better now that it probably does not matter any more. At 280, I have lots 
>>> of bikes with 40 and 48 spoke rims. But I don't break spokes on my 32 hole 
>>> rims either.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 6:39:44 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey all!
 Hypothetically...does an Atlas wheel set with 32 spokes for a 6'3" 210 
 pound dude make sense if he's on an unloaded Sam and using it as an 
 all-road bike? No singletrack/mountain biking, jumping, etc... Tires would 
 be AT LEAST 40mm, possibly up to 44mm. 

 OR...is it 36h or bust if you're a big fellow? 

 Thanks,
 Ben in Omaha

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Adventure Novels

[Karl Wilcox]

'The Long Walk' has been identified as a fictional account by the BBC and
others-- I enjoyed reading it very much, but, in retrospect, learning that
it is largely if not entirely fictional, I have no desire to re-read it.
As a historian, I can assure you that while an oral history can be very
interesting, it is not generally regarded as reliably accurate.  In my
research, diaries or chronicles are highly prized; memoirs not so much.
 'The Long Walk' is probably fabricated (no corroborating voices or
documents).
A good read that was written at the time of the event and has been
corroborated is, 'No Picnic on Mt. Kenya'... a group of Italian
POW's escape their camp in order to climb Mt. Kenya.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 7:15 PM J Imler  wrote:

> Recently I noticed the book, *The Long Walk*, in a thread with a holiday
> flyer linked, or an older catalog maybe. I'm enjoying the true story. Years
> ago, I was at Bike, Book, & Hatchet and Grant recommended *In the Heart
> of the Sea* and a book about the Galveston hurricane. And one other I
> just remembered *The Devil in the White City*.
>
> I've enjoyed reading most of these types of books, that involve
> adventure/danger/even death, like *Into Thin Air*.
>
> Would anyone care to share any other novels that you'd recommend as the
> darker months loom?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Pick your brains about spoke count?

[Ben Mihovk]

Thanks to everyone for the replies. To give more context, the wheels in 
question are the standard Velocity built wheel set (Atlas rims, velocity 
hubs) that used to be a stock wheel option. I don't know if that makes any 
kind of difference. They're old (about 8 years) and lightly used...and 
they're connected to a bike I'm looking at. I don't think it's a deal 
breaker that they're 32, but I do like the idea of 36 better. 

Ben 
Omaha

On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 1:05:36 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Lately I've noticed that many suppliers aren't offering any 36 hole rims 
> or hubs, as though they're going by the wayside.  A quick check into the 
> Phil Wood website shows they're only offering 36 hole in a few models.  And 
> another check into a major virtual bike shop with "36 hole" as a sort 
> criteria showed only 19 rims available in that count among the nearly 60 
> available in 32 hole.  BTW, when checking both sites I noticed "sold out" 
> for almost everything - scary, I think.
>
>
> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> I would always go with the 36. One reason is that the spokes at the rim 
>> joint cross, so the spoke tension is working to close the rim joint. This 
>> was the reason to go to 44 instead of 40 or 48 many, many years ago, but I 
>> think that 44 is an obsolete spoke count at this point. Rims are so much 
>> better now that it probably does not matter any more. At 280, I have lots 
>> of bikes with 40 and 48 spoke rims. But I don't break spokes on my 32 hole 
>> rims either.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 6:39:44 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all!
>>> Hypothetically...does an Atlas wheel set with 32 spokes for a 6'3" 210 
>>> pound dude make sense if he's on an unloaded Sam and using it as an 
>>> all-road bike? No singletrack/mountain biking, jumping, etc... Tires would 
>>> be AT LEAST 40mm, possibly up to 44mm. 
>>>
>>> OR...is it 36h or bust if you're a big fellow? 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ben in Omaha
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pick your brains about spoke count?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In my experience, the quality of the rim and spokes and the skill of the 
wheelbuilder matter much more than the spoke count. A well-made 32-spoke wheel 
will outlive a cheap 36-spoke wheel any day. 

I’ve ended up with several bikes with 36-spoke wheels, but more by chance than 
design. I ride on some “classic” hubs that were made at a time when 36 was the 
standard. 

--Eric N

> On Oct 25, 2021, at 11:05 AM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> Lately I've noticed that many suppliers aren't offering any 36 hole rims or 
> hubs, as though they're going by the wayside.  A quick check into the Phil 
> Wood website shows they're only offering 36 hole in a few models.  And 
> another check into a major virtual bike shop with "36 hole" as a sort 
> criteria showed only 19 rims available in that count among the nearly 60 
> available in 32 hole.  BTW, when checking both sites I noticed "sold out" for 
> almost everything - scary, I think.
> 
> 
>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>> I would always go with the 36. One reason is that the spokes at the rim 
>> joint cross, so the spoke tension is working to close the rim joint. This 
>> was the reason to go to 44 instead of 40 or 48 many, many years ago, but I 
>> think that 44 is an obsolete spoke count at this point. Rims are so much 
>> better now that it probably does not matter any more. At 280, I have lots of 
>> bikes with 40 and 48 spoke rims. But I don't break spokes on my 32 hole rims 
>> either.
>> 
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>> 
>>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 6:39:44 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Hey all!
>>> Hypothetically...does an Atlas wheel set with 32 spokes for a 6'3" 210 
>>> pound dude make sense if he's on an unloaded Sam and using it as an 
>>> all-road bike? No singletrack/mountain biking, jumping, etc... Tires would 
>>> be AT LEAST 40mm, possibly up to 44mm. 
>>> 
>>> OR...is it 36h or bust if you're a big fellow? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ben in Omaha
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Re: [RBW] Adventure Novels

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, and Two Years Before the Mast too. A good one -- + 1.

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 12:06 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I know many don't shop at Amazon, but I figure that out-of-copyright
> classics on Kindle are legitimate. Many are very, very cheap if not free. I
> recently spent ~$34 and got about 15 books, some adventure stories
> including a digital 4-pak by RL Stevenson, of which I'm now re-reading
> Treasure Island. I have to say that reading quality trash is a hellofalot
> better than reading cheap trash like David Baldacci.
>
> Likewise, but a year or so ago, I got the collected works of Rudyard
> Kipling and many Jack London novels, not to mention 2 or 3 collections of
> long-forgotten sea adventure stories. Joshua Slocum, tho' that's history.
> And besides adventure, lots of poetry, Dickens and Tolstoy--but my stomach
> for novelistic drama is much smaller than 40 years ago; I prefer
> thoughtless adventure stories like Treasure Island and, I recall here, RLS
> himself described TI as, to paraphrase, "An uncomplicated story with no
> literary complexities for boys." But girls may like it too.
>
> Both Alices, Waugh X 5, and many more.
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 8:15 PM J Imler  wrote:
>
>> Recently I noticed the book, *The Long Walk*, in a thread with a holiday
>> flyer linked, or an older catalog maybe. I'm enjoying the true story. Years
>> ago, I was at Bike, Book, & Hatchet and Grant recommended *In the Heart
>> of the Sea* and a book about the Galveston hurricane. And one other I
>> just remembered *The Devil in the White City*.
>>
>> I've enjoyed reading most of these types of books, that involve
>> adventure/danger/even death, like *Into Thin Air*.
>>
>> Would anyone care to share any other novels that you'd recommend as the
>> darker months loom?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Adventure Novels

[Patrick Moore]

I know many don't shop at Amazon, but I figure that out-of-copyright
classics on Kindle are legitimate. Many are very, very cheap if not free. I
recently spent ~$34 and got about 15 books, some adventure stories
including a digital 4-pak by RL Stevenson, of which I'm now re-reading
Treasure Island. I have to say that reading quality trash is a hellofalot
better than reading cheap trash like David Baldacci.

Likewise, but a year or so ago, I got the collected works of Rudyard
Kipling and many Jack London novels, not to mention 2 or 3 collections of
long-forgotten sea adventure stories. Joshua Slocum, tho' that's history.
And besides adventure, lots of poetry, Dickens and Tolstoy--but my stomach
for novelistic drama is much smaller than 40 years ago; I prefer
thoughtless adventure stories like Treasure Island and, I recall here, RLS
himself described TI as, to paraphrase, "An uncomplicated story with no
literary complexities for boys." But girls may like it too.

Both Alices, Waugh X 5, and many more.

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 8:15 PM J Imler  wrote:

> Recently I noticed the book, *The Long Walk*, in a thread with a holiday
> flyer linked, or an older catalog maybe. I'm enjoying the true story. Years
> ago, I was at Bike, Book, & Hatchet and Grant recommended *In the Heart
> of the Sea* and a book about the Galveston hurricane. And one other I
> just remembered *The Devil in the White City*.
>
> I've enjoyed reading most of these types of books, that involve
> adventure/danger/even death, like *Into Thin Air*.
>
> Would anyone care to share any other novels that you'd recommend as the
> darker months loom?
>
> Thanks!
>
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[RBW] Re: Pick your brains about spoke count?

[George Schick]

Lately I've noticed that many suppliers aren't offering any 36 hole rims or 
hubs, as though they're going by the wayside.  A quick check into the Phil 
Wood website shows they're only offering 36 hole in a few models.  And 
another check into a major virtual bike shop with "36 hole" as a sort 
criteria showed only 19 rims available in that count among the nearly 60 
available in 32 hole.  BTW, when checking both sites I noticed "sold out" 
for almost everything - scary, I think.


On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I would always go with the 36. One reason is that the spokes at the rim 
> joint cross, so the spoke tension is working to close the rim joint. This 
> was the reason to go to 44 instead of 40 or 48 many, many years ago, but I 
> think that 44 is an obsolete spoke count at this point. Rims are so much 
> better now that it probably does not matter any more. At 280, I have lots 
> of bikes with 40 and 48 spoke rims. But I don't break spokes on my 32 hole 
> rims either.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 6:39:44 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all!
>> Hypothetically...does an Atlas wheel set with 32 spokes for a 6'3" 210 
>> pound dude make sense if he's on an unloaded Sam and using it as an 
>> all-road bike? No singletrack/mountain biking, jumping, etc... Tires would 
>> be AT LEAST 40mm, possibly up to 44mm. 
>>
>> OR...is it 36h or bust if you're a big fellow? 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ben in Omaha
>>
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[RBW] Re: Pick your brains about spoke count?

[lconley]

I would always go with the 36. One reason is that the spokes at the rim 
joint cross, so the spoke tension is working to close the rim joint. This 
was the reason to go to 44 instead of 40 or 48 many, many years ago, but I 
think that 44 is an obsolete spoke count at this point. Rims are so much 
better now that it probably does not matter any more. At 280, I have lots 
of bikes with 40 and 48 spoke rims. But I don't break spokes on my 32 hole 
rims either.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

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> Hey all!
> Hypothetically...does an Atlas wheel set with 32 spokes for a 6'3" 210 
> pound dude make sense if he's on an unloaded Sam and using it as an 
> all-road bike? No singletrack/mountain biking, jumping, etc... Tires would 
> be AT LEAST 40mm, possibly up to 44mm. 
>
> OR...is it 36h or bust if you're a big fellow? 
>
> Thanks,
> Ben in Omaha
>

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Re: [RBW] Adventure Novels

[Mike Godwin]

Lands of Lost Borders is a fun bikey read, by Kate Harris

Mike SLO CA
On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 9:16:35 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> The examples you list aren't novels (which are fictional stories) but 
> instead narrative non-fiction accounts of true adventure. 
>
> Other non-fiction adventure stories I'd recommend involving people up 
> against death and disaster: 
>
>- The Lost City of Z by David Grann
>- Survival of the Bark Canoe by John McPhee
>- Thunderstruck and In the Garden of Beasts by Erik Larsen 
>- And I Alone Survived by Lauren Elder and Shirley Streshinsky
>- The Perfect Storm by Sebastian Junger 
>- Between A Rock and A Hard Place by Aaron Ralston 
>- Bling Descent by James Tabor
>- Endurance by Alfred Lansing gets a +1 from me 
>
> Adventure novels, more broadly speaking: 
>
>- The Martian by Andy Weir
>- The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay by Michael Chabon
>- A River Runs Through It by Norman MacLean
>- The Great Leader and The Big Seven by Jim Harrison
>- Flashman series by George McDonald Fraser 
>- Patrick O'Briend's Aubry-Mautin series (Master and Commander, etc.) 
>
> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 11:15:29 AM UTC-4 ericf3 wrote:
>
>> This one
>>
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Years_Before_the_Mast
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Pick your brains about spoke count?

[Mike Godwin]

4 additional 700c wheel-size 14-15-14 g spokes will add about 30 grams per 
wheel, 6.2 - 6.7 g/spoke for Sapim and DT, respectively. Nips are a few 
grams each.  Its not that critical. Build 36 spoke wheels and be 11 percent 
happier.

Mike SLO CA
On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 9:18:19 AM UTC-7 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:

> I am 6'6" and 210-- 32 spoke 700c wheels have always been fine for me.  
> Keep an eye on spoke tension with a new wheel, but otherwise, I have not 
> been able to discern any difference between 36 and 32 wheels.  
>
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 5:39 AM Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>
>> Hey all!
>> Hypothetically...does an Atlas wheel set with 32 spokes for a 6'3" 210 
>> pound dude make sense if he's on an unloaded Sam and using it as an 
>> all-road bike? No singletrack/mountain biking, jumping, etc... Tires would 
>> be AT LEAST 40mm, possibly up to 44mm. 
>>
>> OR...is it 36h or bust if you're a big fellow? 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ben in Omaha
>>
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Re: [RBW] Pick your brains about spoke count?

[Karl Wilcox]

I am 6'6" and 210-- 32 spoke 700c wheels have always been fine for me.
Keep an eye on spoke tension with a new wheel, but otherwise, I have not
been able to discern any difference between 36 and 32 wheels.

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 5:39 AM Ben Mihovk  wrote:

> Hey all!
> Hypothetically...does an Atlas wheel set with 32 spokes for a 6'3" 210
> pound dude make sense if he's on an unloaded Sam and using it as an
> all-road bike? No singletrack/mountain biking, jumping, etc... Tires would
> be AT LEAST 40mm, possibly up to 44mm.
>
> OR...is it 36h or bust if you're a big fellow?
>
> Thanks,
> Ben in Omaha
>
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Re: [RBW] Adventure Novels

[Eric Marth]

The examples you list aren't novels (which are fictional stories) but 
instead narrative non-fiction accounts of true adventure. 

Other non-fiction adventure stories I'd recommend involving people up 
against death and disaster: 

   - The Lost City of Z by David Grann
   - Survival of the Bark Canoe by John McPhee
   - Thunderstruck and In the Garden of Beasts by Erik Larsen 
   - And I Alone Survived by Lauren Elder and Shirley Streshinsky
   - The Perfect Storm by Sebastian Junger 
   - Between A Rock and A Hard Place by Aaron Ralston 
   - Bling Descent by James Tabor
   - Endurance by Alfred Lansing gets a +1 from me 

Adventure novels, more broadly speaking: 

   - The Martian by Andy Weir
   - The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay by Michael Chabon
   - A River Runs Through It by Norman MacLean
   - The Great Leader and The Big Seven by Jim Harrison
   - Flashman series by George McDonald Fraser 
   - Patrick O'Briend's Aubry-Mautin series (Master and Commander, etc.) 

On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 11:15:29 AM UTC-4 ericf3 wrote:

> This one
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Years_Before_the_Mast
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Adventure Novels

[Eric Floden]

This one

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Years_Before_the_Mast

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[RBW] Re: FS Surly Long Haul trucker

[David Person]

This past August I purchased a 64cm Disc Trucker frameset, the newer 
version with thru-axles.   I built it up with same handlebars, seatpost, 
seat, pedals, tires as my 62cm Sam Hillborne (2015 double TT).  
Surprisingly, the two weigh and ride quite similarly.  Got the DT frameset 
to have a second bike that would fit fenders with Snoqualmie Pass tires.  
When I moved up from Barlow Pass to Snoqualmie Pass on the SH, fenders 
would no longer fit.

I was concerned about how the DT would ride with it's oversize tubing, but 
I find it rides great.  the SH has an oversize down tube of 31.8mm like the 
DT and 2 top tubes of 28.6mm vs the single top tube of 31.8mm on the DT, 
but I think the top tube on the DT is thinner gauge, justing by the pitch 
of ring when tapping on it.  Seat tube on both are 28.6mm.

On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 4:21:04 PM UTC-7 Andrew Huston wrote:

> That was a color but I believe for the first gen midnight special. 
>
>
> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 7:08:25 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I might be trippin' but I think Surly called this color Hot Mayonnaise. 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 3:37:47 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>
>>> I managed to get a green which I am very excited for. Your web special 
>>> looks killer with this big tires!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 1:53:00 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Congrats Andrew on the Clem purchase. Which color did you select? 
 Doug

 On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 11:57:20 AM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:

> I was looking for an all around type bike and happened to find a NOS 
> 54 LHT. While it was being packed and shipped I got in on the Clem Lotto 
> and was fortunate to snag a complete. I definitely do not need both now 
> and 
> looking to sell. Box is packed and ready to you out. I paid $1500 total 
> and 
> I’d like to not take a bath so asking same-ish considering shipping etc. 
> discontinued model at this point. Don’t have a photo due to being boxed 
> so 
> please use google to see images. Build is as follows
>
>
>- Shimano 3 x 9 drivetrain bar-end shifters LX hubs and rear 
>derailleur
>- 100% Surly 4130 chromoly steel. Main triangle double butted. 
>Fork is lugged and brazed
>- Tektro CR720 canti brakes and Michelin City 26 x 1.85" tires
>- Microshift  bar end shifters 
>
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Re: [RBW] Adventure Novels

[Curtis McKenzie]

The Endurance by Alfred Lansing.

Curtis
El Cajon, CA

On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 8:57 PM 'steve bishop' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Steve (UK) here.
>
> Touching the Void by Joe Simpson (non-fiction)
>
> The film is gripping, true to the story and very realistic- the book is
> even better.
>
> In 1985, two young climbers, Joe Simpson and Simon Yates, set out to be
> the first to reach the summit of the Siula Grande in the Peruvian Andes.
> They succeed, and the two embark on the treacherous descent down the
> mountain -- only to meet with disaster when Simpson breaks his leg in a
> fall, leaving Yates to lower him the rest of the way with ropes. When a
> storm threatens both their lives, Yates must decide whether to cut the rope
> and risk Simpson's likely death.
>
> No spoilers here...the story is only just beginning!
>
> Enjoy...
>
> Steve
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 at 4:17, Michael Williams
>  wrote:
> Hey J,  Into the Wild is a good one( same author as Into thin Air).  One
> of my all time faves is ‘ The Golden Spruce’.-Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 24, 2021, at 7:15 PM, J Imler  wrote:
>
> Recently I noticed the book, *The Long Walk*, in a thread with a holiday
> flyer linked, or an older catalog maybe. I'm enjoying the true story. Years
> ago, I was at Bike, Book, & Hatchet and Grant recommended *In the Heart
> of the Sea* and a book about the Galveston hurricane. And one other I
> just remembered *The Devil in the White City*.
>
> I've enjoyed reading most of these types of books, that involve
> adventure/danger/even death, like *Into Thin Air*.
>
> Would anyone care to share any other novels that you'd recommend as the
> darker months loom?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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Re: [RBW] WTB / ISO - A. Homer Hilsen, 58cm

[jro]

Thanks - PM sent

On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 7:57:45 AM UTC-5 bdcamp...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a PBH of 87 and a 61ch AHH (old style). Let me know if you might 
> want some pictures.
>
> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 4:39:47 PM UTC-4 jro wrote:
>
>> Bump
>>
>> I’m still on the lookout for an A. Homer Hilsen (58-61cm - appropriate 
>> for 87 pbh).
>>
>> If you happen to have one you’re willing to part with, please let me know.
>>
>> A couple interesting opportunities have come up, but I remain hopeful 
>> that I might find a used AHH.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for reading!
>>
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> Oak Park, IL
>> On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 4:36:16 PM UTC-5 jro wrote:
>>
>>> Mathieu, Eric, and Ryan - thanks for the feedback so far.
>>>
>>>
>>> @Mathieu - Totally agreed - the AHH at Mack’s was in all ways a dreamy 
>>> bike and a joy to ride. It was listed as 61.5cm, and by the book was really 
>>> close to fitting my PBH (87). It felt just a slight bit tall for me, but I 
>>> debated buying it anyways. In the end, I decided to hold out for something 
>>> that feels 100% natural. I’m finding that my particular PBH is transitional 
>>> for many of the Riv frames and could go either up or down a size. Thanks 
>>> for mentioning the San Marcos at Mack’s - definitely worth a shot to check 
>>> if it fits.
>>>
>>>
>>> @Eric - Cheers!
>>>
>>>
>>> @John - The Hillborne posted a couple days back is a beaut’. Somehow 
>>> I’ve become intent on a blue frame, which the AHHs seem to consistently 
>>> feature, so I’m holding out for one for now. Since initially posting this, 
>>> I’ve been in contact with a former Riv dealer who has a nice grey/blue SH 
>>> in a close size, which I’m hoping might work out... Thanks for the note.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> Oak Park, IL
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 9:56:08 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>

 Hey, Jason

 While it's not an AHH, maybe the gold  57 Sam Hilllborne  someone 
 posted today  is worth a look. Nice looking frame and it's a great colour. 
 But if that's not an option, good luck with your search!
 On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 6:24:18 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Best of luck with your search, Jason. I'm glad the scans have been 
> helpful!
>
> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 2:20:47 PM UTC-4 mathie...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon Jason,
>>
>> I got a chance to ride that same AHH over at Mack’s and had the 
>> opposite problem - the bike rode like an absolute dream but was just a 
>> little too small for me.
>>
>> Which unfortunately means that anything in my stable would also be a 
>> little large for you.
>>
>> I think that AHH was a 61cm which would make it the same size as the 
>> bike that just got posted up for sale but it might be worth chatting 
>> with 
>> the owner.
>>
>> Go Huskies!
>>
>> Mathieu Brown
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone.
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2021, at 11:08 AM, jro  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi Riv’ers,
>>
>> I post this in hopes someone in the RBWOB might have a sadly unused 
>> AHH in their stable, wishing to find a new Home for their Homer.
>>
>> I’m looking for a size 58cm or thereabouts (appropriate for an 87.3 
>> PBH). A frameset would be preferred, but a built up bike would also be 
>> great. If you have one you’re willing to give up, please let me know!
>>
>>
>> The RWB Owners Bunch has been a resoundingly useful resource since 
>> I’ve gone from admiring these beautiful bikes from a distance for some 
>> time 
>> to finding myself in the market to own one. Eric and Reed’s cataloguing 
>> of 
>> past Rivendell Readers and literature has been valuable in helping get 
>> an 
>> understanding of the history of these fine bikes and the ideas behind 
>> them. 
>> Mack’s Bike and Goods in Evanston, IL turned me on to this group after I 
>> test rode a Riv in their shop recently that was, unfortunately, slightly 
>> too big. I’m happy they did so.
>>
>> If I’m unable to locate a used one, I’ll likely be entering the 
>> lotto for one of the new ones released later this year (or however the 
>> Walnut Creekers decide to to release after the Clem Ls). I’ve also had 
>> an 
>> eye on the “used” threads to see if one might come up eventually. At any 
>> rate, glad to have found this community and thanks for reading.
>>
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> Oak Park, IL
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Re: [RBW] WTB / ISO - A. Homer Hilsen, 58cm

[Brian Campbell]

I have a PBH of 87 and a 61ch AHH (old style). Let me know if you might 
want some pictures.

On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 4:39:47 PM UTC-4 jro wrote:

> Bump
>
> I’m still on the lookout for an A. Homer Hilsen (58-61cm - appropriate for 
> 87 pbh).
>
> If you happen to have one you’re willing to part with, please let me know.
>
> A couple interesting opportunities have come up, but I remain hopeful that 
> I might find a used AHH.
>
>
> Thanks for reading!
>
>
> Jason
>
> Oak Park, IL
> On Sunday, October 17, 2021 at 4:36:16 PM UTC-5 jro wrote:
>
>> Mathieu, Eric, and Ryan - thanks for the feedback so far.
>>
>>
>> @Mathieu - Totally agreed - the AHH at Mack’s was in all ways a dreamy 
>> bike and a joy to ride. It was listed as 61.5cm, and by the book was really 
>> close to fitting my PBH (87). It felt just a slight bit tall for me, but I 
>> debated buying it anyways. In the end, I decided to hold out for something 
>> that feels 100% natural. I’m finding that my particular PBH is transitional 
>> for many of the Riv frames and could go either up or down a size. Thanks 
>> for mentioning the San Marcos at Mack’s - definitely worth a shot to check 
>> if it fits.
>>
>>
>> @Eric - Cheers!
>>
>>
>> @John - The Hillborne posted a couple days back is a beaut’. Somehow I’ve 
>> become intent on a blue frame, which the AHHs seem to consistently feature, 
>> so I’m holding out for one for now. Since initially posting this, I’ve been 
>> in contact with a former Riv dealer who has a nice grey/blue SH in a close 
>> size, which I’m hoping might work out... Thanks for the note.
>>
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> Oak Park, IL
>>
>> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 9:56:08 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey, Jason
>>>
>>> While it's not an AHH, maybe the gold  57 Sam Hilllborne  someone posted 
>>> today  is worth a look. Nice looking frame and it's a great colour. But if 
>>> that's not an option, good luck with your search!
>>> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 6:24:18 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Best of luck with your search, Jason. I'm glad the scans have been 
 helpful!

 On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 2:20:47 PM UTC-4 mathie...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Good afternoon Jason,
>
> I got a chance to ride that same AHH over at Mack’s and had the 
> opposite problem - the bike rode like an absolute dream but was just a 
> little too small for me.
>
> Which unfortunately means that anything in my stable would also be a 
> little large for you.
>
> I think that AHH was a 61cm which would make it the same size as the 
> bike that just got posted up for sale but it might be worth chatting with 
> the owner.
>
> Go Huskies!
>
> Mathieu Brown
>
> Sent from my iPhone.
>
> On Oct 16, 2021, at 11:08 AM, jro  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Riv’ers,
>
> I post this in hopes someone in the RBWOB might have a sadly unused 
> AHH in their stable, wishing to find a new Home for their Homer.
>
> I’m looking for a size 58cm or thereabouts (appropriate for an 87.3 
> PBH). A frameset would be preferred, but a built up bike would also be 
> great. If you have one you’re willing to give up, please let me know!
>
>
> The RWB Owners Bunch has been a resoundingly useful resource since 
> I’ve gone from admiring these beautiful bikes from a distance for some 
> time 
> to finding myself in the market to own one. Eric and Reed’s cataloguing 
> of 
> past Rivendell Readers and literature has been valuable in helping get an 
> understanding of the history of these fine bikes and the ideas behind 
> them. 
> Mack’s Bike and Goods in Evanston, IL turned me on to this group after I 
> test rode a Riv in their shop recently that was, unfortunately, slightly 
> too big. I’m happy they did so.
>
> If I’m unable to locate a used one, I’ll likely be entering the lotto 
> for one of the new ones released later this year (or however the Walnut 
> Creekers decide to to release after the Clem Ls). I’ve also had an eye on 
> the “used” threads to see if one might come up eventually. At any rate, 
> glad to have found this community and thanks for reading.
>
>
> Jason
>
> Oak Park, IL
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Re: [RBW] Atlantis evolution?

[Eric Daume]

The top tube length listed would be effective top tube, measured
horizontally, not along the tube. That will lengthen the result a bit.

On Saturday, October 23, 2021, dougP  wrote:

> That Harris page is interesting.  It shows a 58 cm (my size) as having a
> 59 cm TT.  I have a couple of Atlantis brochures from around when I got
> mine (2003) that show a 58 with a 58.5 TT.  I can understanding rounding
> 58.5 up to 59.  I just measured mine @ 56 cm or maybe 56.5 cm, center to
> center, head tube to seat tube, along the slope of the top tube.  No way to
> finagle to 58.
>
> The point is Rivendell made running changes that were fairly incremental &
> non-consequential.  The big re-design was going to longer chainstays a few
> years ago.  The brochures are un-dated, and both list the 68 cm size that
> Harris says "coming 2001".  Whereas other manufacturers would use subtle
> geo changes to call it a "new & improved" bike (along with the latest fad
> color), Rivendell stuck with the same name & paint scheme and kept
> improving the basic products.
>
> It would be fun to have a list of geometries by serial number but that
> info is probably non-existent.
>
> dougP
>
> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 1:01:12 PM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> I'll check it out Scott.
>>
>> I just got off the phone with James at Rivendell and we agreed that one
>> of the largest changes from the first batch of MIT to the current batch of
>> MIT is that the 56 cm was 650B and the current 55cm is 700c. The first
>> batch of MIT had a shorter top tube as well making a drop bar more
>> feasible. The new batch of the MIT as you can see drop the 56 cm altogether.
>>
>> I'm going to shoot an email to Grant Just to try to get a better year
>> understanding of each iteration and maybe some of the geometry changes he
>> made. We'll see this will be an interesting exchange.
>>
>> Hugh n LA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 12:53 PM Scott G.  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The Harris page has the specs on the first batch of Atlantis.
>>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/atlantis.html#tubing
>>> Geometry is a bit different in several of the sizes.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 3:46:36 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Hugh, I don't know those details but you might find it here. Cyclofiend
 (hosts this list) has a treasure trove of Riv history.

 http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/index.html



 On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 11:18:25 PM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Joe, I've been wondering about something. Do you know the timelines
> for the various iterations? 1. Toyo 1999-?  2.Waterford and later longish
> chain stay iteration Year to 2017? 3.  MIT version I believe is 2018- to
> present.
>
> I remember my 2003 Atlantis had a <2> on the seat tube and recall
> reading that it was the 2nd Toyo run or batch within the Toyo timeline but
> have no idea what would have changed between the 1999 to my 2003 model?
>
> Hugh n LA
>
> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 11:09:46 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Short version, others here will know more details:
>>
>> Original was built in Japan by Toyo, I believe start year was 1999.
>> Later iterations gained braze-ons, lost pointy headtube lugs and were 
>> built
>> by Waterford in USA. All of these came with 26" or 700C wheels, all had
>> mostly-flat toptubes.
>>
>> There was an update in the final Waterford run which included
>> slightly longer stays and some smaller frames got 650B wheels.
>>
>> Production shifted to Taiwan a few years ago to the current version
>> with much longer stays and a sloping toptube. Sizing is different from 
>> the
>> Toyo/Waterford bikes.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 10:32:35 AM UTC-7 David wrote:
>>
>>> Super newbie question here, but need to be sure fairly soon here for
>>> a purchase... can you fine folks provide me with a quick, bulleted
>>> evolution of the Atlantis across the three iterations of the frame?  
>>> Where
>>> it was made, this one has longer stays, etc.?  I'm sure this onto is on 
>>> the
>>> website, but sometimes stuff's kind of hidden on there and I often find
>>> myself digging and digging for specific info I need.  Many, many thanks.
>>
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[RBW] Pick your brains about spoke count?

[Ben Mihovk]

Hey all!
Hypothetically...does an Atlas wheel set with 32 spokes for a 6'3" 210 
pound dude make sense if he's on an unloaded Sam and using it as an 
all-road bike? No singletrack/mountain biking, jumping, etc... Tires would 
be AT LEAST 40mm, possibly up to 44mm. 

OR...is it 36h or bust if you're a big fellow? 

Thanks,
Ben in Omaha

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[RBW] FS: NIB Paul Racer brakes.

[Elton Lance]

Paul Centerpull fans,

These are:

New in Box.
Hi-Polish silver.
Center mount - recessed.

2 Front and 1 rear available.

$175 each (net to me), shipped CONUS.

PM if interested.

Thanks!

Elton Lance
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