RE: [RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It? weight 23. 8 pounds

[Bernard Duhon]

This link has a good review of the Atlantis. He says it weighs 23.8 pounds.
That seems a little light but it is in the ballpark not a heavy bike.
By comparison of Fuji touring bike tips the scale at 31 pounds and not near as 
solid, durable or pretty.


Atlantis by Rivendell Bicycle Review - Road Bike Rider Cycling 
Site



Yours sincerely,


Bernard F. Duhon

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Bill Schaefer
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 12:56 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

Max,

As someone who purchased an Atlantis about a year ago, I would say that you 
should absolutely go for it. I also pined after one for years, and I'll second 
what Gordon stated and say that every time I go outside and see it I get a 
smile on my face (and how can you put a price tag on that). I do agree it is a 
very heavy bike, although I never really feel that or think about it unless I 
am picking it up to get over an obstruction in the trail or end up in a 
hike-a-bike situation. It is a joy to ride. If you do want something a bit 
lighter and faster there are plenty of other Riv offerings that I am sure you 
would also end up loving.

On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 1:10:15 PM UTC-4 
vhans...@gmail.com wrote:
Max,

If upgrade fever is in your make up, you'll want a newer frame.   Because, 
taking a late 80's or 90's frame and upgrading the parts pick - opens all sorts 
of other problems which you won't want.   Don't forget even the late 80's early 
90's there still was vodoo magic running around eg: 11t home made cogs to 
convert 7spd to 8 spd speed.  XT shifters carefully filed to take advantage of 
the mystery 8th click on xt shiftersect ect ectblah blah blah..

VTW

On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 9:14 AM Kim H.  wrote:
@Max,

FWIW, I had a 1984 Raleigh Elkhorn for short time. I really never fell in love 
with it.Two years ago, I had some extra monies, I decided to buy a Rivendell 
Clem Smith Jr. "L" bicycle. Today, I am very happy with it as a senior cyclist 
after all my personal upgrades.  I am very happy with having a step-through 
frame ( I am unable to swing my right leg over the back end of a bicycle 
anymore) the smooth ride with the elongated chain stays and an upright riding 
position. My Clem is my retirement bike in RBW blue.

I am happy that I spent the money in purchasing my Clem as a treat to myself.

'Of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt." -John 
Muir

Kim Hetzel.
On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:44:35 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people and I'm 
okay with that!

For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 miles each 
way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, but I do it 
pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I just like riding my 
bike and I do it whenever I can.

I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied with 
my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor man's 
rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had the itch 
to upgrade.

Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm especially 
interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s era rigid MTB 
with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's ethos from 
Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you think you could 
have gotten by on that 80s frame?

[https://photos.fife.usercontent.google.com/pw/AP1GczPsAKRgFlU5yU8opDTlk-32oGDi-IeFVs6X8UEO3mUxBQHdPIBPrmdElA=w946-h1262-s-no-gm?authuser=0]

Thanks in advance!
Max
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1d2b27dd-ffe4-46a5-964b-1c12747104a8n%40googlegroups.com.


--
VIctor R. Hanson
Gen Mgr
Schmier Industrial Properties
o:  510-652-0800
c:  510-207-8593
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this 

RE: [RBW] ORtlieb backroller panniers & carryon.

[Bernard Duhon]

So TSA  does not reject the pannier’s hardware when you carry it on the plane?

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Steven Sweedler
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 6:42 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] ORtlieb backroller panniers & carryon.

I’ve used one of mine with the shoulder strap a few times and found I prefer a 
backpack while I drag two bike boxes in and out of the airport. The single 
shoulder strap was not as stabe as the backpack.
Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Sun, May 19, 2024 at 9:21 PM Bernard Duhon 
mailto:bern...@bernardduhon.com>> wrote:
Would any of you share your experience in using an Ortlieb backroller panniers 
as airline  carry on luggage,.

That is of course without getting kicked out by TSA.

Thanks

Bernard



--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/BN6PR17MB3219760850D36B428D1FD182CDE92%40BN6PR17MB3219.namprd17.prod.outlook.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/BN6PR17MB3219760850D36B428D1FD182CDE92%40BN6PR17MB3219.namprd17.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALimyf%2Bw6sr4f8VVGxVTqrQJZV3F-inWWdQr5rjJb-Xa5bbWCw%40mail.gmail.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALimyf%2Bw6sr4f8VVGxVTqrQJZV3F-inWWdQr5rjJb-Xa5bbWCw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/BN6PR17MB32194218BCF9A91CFD05BA97CDE92%40BN6PR17MB3219.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] ORtlieb backroller panniers & carryon.

[Bernard Duhon]

Would any of you share your experience in using an Ortlieb backroller panniers 
as airline  carry on luggage,.

That is of course without getting kicked out by TSA.

Thanks

Bernard



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/BN6PR17MB3219760850D36B428D1FD182CDE92%40BN6PR17MB3219.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bernard Duhon]

I had a series 3 flats in a short time with Tubolito.  I almost never flat.
Company replaced 2 promptly
I can’t blame the tube for 1 of those flats as I picked  up a rock puncture.
Also experienced valve leak that was fixed with Loctite.

Bought a patch kit to fix 2 tubes neither patches held.

$100.00 worth of tubes in the trash.

I am staying with latex for “unloaded” riding & butyl for loaded 
touring/groceries etc. .

Bernard


From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Garth
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 3:09 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

T
On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 1:08:28 AM UTC-4 
travis...@gmail.com wrote:
When I wrote that the sizes and weights explained the appeal to "oldez", I was 
referring to riders like myself trained by the bicycle press from adolescence 
to stop and look -- and even spend, again -- to save some grams.

Chis Fly might also have been thinking of the experience of riders saving less 
weight than was the promise of "CO2 cartridges will replace pumps", what with 
the backup cartridges in case of failure to dispense correctly or the  
insufficiency of just one, or two.

The expected maximum benefit for all the risks of disappointment in TPU tubes 
is estimated in tests with measurement repeatability of  +- 0.3 watts, on the 
order of 2 watts per tire @50psi compared to a thin butyl tube.  Expected 
benefit compared to the lightweight butyl tube may be no more than 1 watt per 
tire , about the energy loss of a tube rubbing inside your tire. (Latex tubes 
are grippy.)

(I apologize that the rightmost original column with average energy losses in 3 
fast 25mm tires @ 60psi would not fit in a screen shot. The lower the pressure, 
the greater the expression of between-tube differences.)


[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/30e76badecf96/image0.png?part=0.0.1=1]



- --
Harry P Travis
Portland, OR USA
17.4.1


On May 14, 2024, at 6:03 PM, Chris Fly  wrote:

light weight and a small footprint is all well and good until you are on the 
side of the road, tired and blow through your tubes trying to get your tire 
seated back on the rim.. these seem way too fragile for me to worry about the 
weight difference.. and I'm sorry, but I just can't see the difference between 
a good latex and a TPU making that much difference when riding.. I get the 
numbers will say the TPU spins up xx% faster from a stop, etc. but I don't buy 
that it will make much of a real world difference.. and, as I said prior, I 
don't even use a latex tube as a spare based on how you can bung those up as 
well on the side of the road..

ride what you want to ride for sure, but don't try and sell me on the 
advantages of saving 50g (100g for a set) when the total system weight for me 
is around 235 lbs.. especially if it sacrifices reliability, which it seems to 
do in this case..

Chris

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 5:43 PM Harry Travis  wrote:
A pic to remind of best reason - WL mentioned it early- why these have even 
oldez wanna spend.

these are all tube for nominal 25mm tires.   including one 80g latex tube  and 
three butyl tubes for nominal and indeed small 25mm tires.

Lightest TPU tubes weighed 20-25g.


--
Harry P Travis
17.4.1


On May 14, 2024, at 4:28 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

Sheesh; sorry for the bad experiences and, again -- don't hate me for this -- 
thanks for being the bad-news guinea pig.

Let us know if you ever rustle up Rene Herse customer service for refunds or 
replacements.

I use Schwalbe extra light butyls with Orange Seal regular formula in road 
tires (30 to 60 psi, 559 X 42 and 559 X 28, slightly lower psi in front than 
rear) and I am very happy to report that this works well. I guess I'll continue 
to be happy with this arrangement for a while longer.

Everybody: If you experiment with TPUs, please keep the list informed. Thanks.

Patrick Moore, who would love to swap 70 gram / 100 gram butyls for 35 gram, 
faster-rolling TPUs with compatible sealant proven against goatheads, in ABQ, 
NM.

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 5:19 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
Another update. Found my Riv Road (622x32) had an almost flat front tire this 
afternoon. Pulled the tube and found no holes but a very slow leak from the 
valve stem. Using my fingers to grip the stem, I was able to back off the core 
then re-tighten it. The leak was worse. So, I gripped the valve with pliers and 
again re-tightened the core. As I worried would happen, when I went to 
reinflate the tube to check for a leak, the tube had broken at the base of the 
stem. That tire is now inflated by old reliable Schwalbe no 16. Out of the six 
tubes I bought in that size, I'm down to three usable. I like having 
removable/replaceable cores, but they're kind of silly on tubes that have such 
a fragile connection to the valve.

The repair I made yesterday (Waterford ST-22, 622x32, rear wheel) didn't work. 
I pulled the tube again and 

RE: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Bernard Duhon]

I m running a Campy Athena FD of unknow vintage but I guess its 10 years old.
Paired with a 42-26 & 11-36,  9 Speed
It works very well

Bernard

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Robert Calton
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2024 2:16 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

Thanks Patrick! I saw a really nice bottom pull DA front mech used on eBay, 
first 
gen,
 and it says it has a 16T capacity. Since I'm at 14T differential on my front 
chainrings (38-24),  would this work? Does me running 11-36 cassette have 
anything to do with the front derailleur choice?
On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 2:54:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
Robert: About 10 years ago I swapped out a 3X7 drivetrain on my 2010 Fargo for 
a 2X9. The 3X7 consisted of 46/36/24 rings pulling (iirc) a 15-24 7sp cassette, 
and I swapped that out for a 38/24 X something-like 13-26 9 speed (29 1/2" 
Schwalbe Big Apples, then ditto Big Ones).

The derailleurs were both LX of the period. When I converted the chainrings I 
simply swapped the 46 outer for a (BBG) bashguard, swapped the 36 for a 38, and 
adjusted the FD throw limit screw. I did not change the position of the FD on 
the seat tube. After all, the FD shifted the 36/24 properly in that position, 
and it's not surprising that it shifted the 38/24 properly in the same position.

Later I swapped the LX FD for an ancient Dura Ace FD which I did mount a bit 
lower, but for the bottom of the cage to clear the chainstay as well as for the 
lower edge of the cage to clear the (IIRC, 48 t-size) bash guard, the FD had to 
be placed much where it would have been placed for a 46/36/24. The DA FD worked 
just as well as the LX. Again, 38/24 X 15-24 (or close) drivetrain.

Nowadays, I have a 44/28 wide-range "subcompact" setup and the same DA FD 
positioned high enough above the 44 to clear the 48-t-equivalent bashguard; 
here too front shifts are just fine.

FWIW.

Matthews "road bike for dirt" with 42/28 (before I installed the 44) and Dura 
Ace 740-something FD. There must be close to an inch of gap between the bottom 
of the outer FD cage plate and the top of the teeth of the 42 t ring:

[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/2013139646e69/image.png?part=0.1=1]

On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 12:35 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
Good afternoon group! :) Hoping to tap into the collective wisdom here to pick 
a front derailleur for my Homer build, it's the last piece!

I'll be using the Silver 38/24 crankset, 11-36 cassette with the Shimano Deore 
XT M761 rear derailleur. I saw that the matching XT front says it's for a 
triple chainring, so I need to find something that's for a double.

What would folks recommend?
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c50dbf4b-e953-4239-bc7a-72d746aeebfcn%40googlegroups.com.


--

Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
---
Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing services
---
When thou didst not, savage, know thine own meaning,
But wouldst gabble like a thing most brutish,
I endowed thy purposes with words that made them known.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/92e2d715-bf04-4c19-bd8e-1702f335093fn%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" 

Re: [RBW] El Rio Grande

[Bernard Duhon]

I feel your pain. The wind here has been steady 20 miles an hour off the Gulf 
Coast gusting to 30 bills character to ride against the wind like that.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Patrick Moore 
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 4:38:56 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch 
Subject: [RBW] El Rio Grande

Quick out and back today between work chores. Rode south against SE gusting to 
30s, gusts suddenly slowing me in the hooks and 65" underdrive second -- 2 
Ortlieb Sports Packers in rear did not help.

Rio Grande in flood -- spring melts in mountains are early this year -- and 
this is the view from the middle of the river on Montano Blvd NW. Big towhead 
to left/east; channel to the east of towhead is almost as wide as the west 
channel shown.


--

Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
---

Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing services

---

When thou didst not, savage, know thine own meaning,

But wouldst gabble like a thing most brutish,

I endowed thy purposes with words that made them known.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfguLrML3z7-uCTPPZHqwYaHpNBR1JWrW%3D0HSaLc-CC9R4w%40mail.gmail.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/BN6PR17MB3219930EA4E496B20BA80E2BCDE62%40BN6PR17MB3219.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: List Admin Message: Kerfuffle of the week and what to do about scammy folks

[Bernard Duhon]

Great Job!




Yours sincerely,


Bernard F. Duhon
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Igor
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 2:57 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: List Admin Message: Kerfuffle of the week and what to do 
about scammy folks

Thanks for taking care of this, Jim!
On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 3:56:20 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
Would it be possible to list the names of the scammers somewhere? Just for 
those initiated contact by a private message prior to the ban.
On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 1:46:25 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
Hey all -

I just removed another person who listed an item and appears to have been 
harvesting internet images and presenting them as their own. That's not OK.

This has happened pretty infrequently on this group, and it always a minor PITA 
to deal with.

All of which has me wanting to tighten down the listing of for sale items for 
new members. These problems always stem from some "enterprising" individual who 
joins the group and tries to post a for sale item immediately. I can count on 
one hand the times that some "known" group member acted inappropriately in a 
transaction.

The way in which we've avoided this in the past is by asking folks to engage on 
the list first, and use it as a way to rehome items second. I'm going to be a 
lot more rigid about that now.

I'll update the list info to reflect this in stronger language, but if your 
first post is a For Sale item, I won't be passing it through the queue. If you 
would like to offer items to other members, please engage with the community 
for a while (purposefully vague...) and demonstrate that you aren't simply here 
to cash in.

So - deep breath everyone.

Thanks to those who shared more than just conjecture. That clarified the issue 
in this case. That's important data.

As for potential or new members who just want to sell gear and not be part of 
this community - there's ebay or other marketplaces which protect you and the 
buyer, as well as more transactionally focused groups. Please use those.

Other than that, we're coming into riding season. Go get some miles in.

Jim / List-admin
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/299885ce-cd4b-48ec-8d2b-bd944bbc91a0n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/BN6PR17MB32195F98D7CDE356EB2F5EA2CDE42%40BN6PR17MB3219.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: Bike build day: Atlantis w/ Bullmoose & '81 Trek 510 Jean-Luc Picard

[Bernard Duhon]

A Professional Law Corporation












Oh wee!!
I am a Proud original owner of the trek 510.
Back in 1978 they didn't have that fancy Picard headbadge not the speckle paint 
job, what's going on here??

Where can I get one?



Yours sincerely,


Bernard F. Duhon

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2024 4:10 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Bike build day: Atlantis w/ Bullmoose & '81 Trek 510 
Jean-Luc Picard

It looks like you had some fun with your resto-mod Captain Picard Special - 
love it!

You are inspiring my N+1 daydreams.  I've done a few old bike restorations over 
the years - all with rattle can resprays.  Would you mind adding some fuel to 
my fantasies and share the details of your paint job?

Steve in AVL
On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 4:24:18 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
Put the Bullmoose on the Atlantis & I'm loving them. They really fit my short 
torso/long arms on the Atlantis. I have the stem maxed out in the photo for 
posterity's sake in case anyone in the future needs a reference. It's a 61cm 
Atlantis (Toyo) with an 81cm saddle height (center of bb to top of saddle). 
Also, serious thanks to member JJ for the sagely advice, quick shipping, & 
friendliness.
[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/300115edc4aca/IMG_5528.jpg?part=0.3=1]
[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/300115edc4aca/IMG_5527.jpg?part=0.5=1]

Also built up my old Trek 510 with some things I had laying around & some parts 
I was missing from the Soma sale. I did a homemade paint job on it and used an 
old Captain Picard keychain for the headbadge. Had the cantilever bosses and a 
few other things added to it a while ago. 650x42s in there now but it could 
probably clear a 48.
[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/300115edc4aca/IMG_5529.jpg?part=0.1=1]
[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/300115edc4aca/IMG_5530.jpg?part=0.4=1]
[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/300115edc4aca/IMG_5531.jpg?part=0.2=1]

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/cc7e4727-eb8d-42b7-80d5-1ff9d3a1cd14n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/BN6PR17MB3219ADB7E69A65B31D4536C0CD102%40BN6PR17MB3219.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

[Bernard Duhon]

The brake pad on my racers hit the seatstay & front fork which restricts the 
opening.
I have to deflate a 38mm tire.



From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Nathan Mattia
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2024 12:44 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

My 51 cm 650b w the Tektro side-pulls runs the 41-ish Fatty Rumpkins right now.

I am curious if the Paul Racers would allow me to go bigger as well.
On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 11:14:36 AM UTC-5 
brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
I’ve had the 48 file tread without issue. I’ve seen people run the 48 knobbies 
on side pull Sams as well.
On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 8:23:48 AM UTC-7 Drew Fitchette wrote:
@brenton were the RH slicks or knobby?

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 9:37:12 PM UTC-4 Brenton Eastman wrote:
Definitely would need to know your frame/wheel size. My 57cm Sam with tektro 
side pulls and 700c Velocity Dyad hoops clears a 47 teravail, 48 Rene herse, 
and 50 gravel king. Not sure how much bigger you’d need.
On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 11:36:44 PM UTC-7 
bcu...@cullensfoods.com wrote:
Would also love to know this exact question! Did you ever find out?
On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:08:59 AM UTC-5 
eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
How much more tire and fender clearance does the Canti version have compared to 
say a Paul Racer side pull ?
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/cf04a84a-2242-4ea9-827f-ee725d0c0dean%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/BN6PR17MB3219C4E081EDD1C576DB2D69CD112%40BN6PR17MB3219.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] lww rider pannier rack V. "brake level pannier rack

[Bernard Duhon]

Paved tour coming up .
I have always used low rider pannier rack for front panniers,
On my planned trip there won’t be more than 7 pounds in each front pannier.
I will have a rear load also (20pounds)
The rack I use for my handlebar bag is sturdy enough for this load.  The bikes 
is already set up for the  handlebar bag rack. You know the drill ,fenders, 
light etc.
Should I go thu the trouble of setting  up the low mount rack.
Trail on bike is 56.
What is the handling difference between a front low mount and front high mount 
panniers?

So what say ye?

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/BN6PR17MB32191A74247026B2865FFEF3CD122%40BN6PR17MB3219.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

[Bernard Duhon]

The collar is glued down on Tubolitos



Yours sincerely,


Bernard F. Duhon

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 1:32 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] TPU inner tubes - Anyone using them?

That little ring on mine is not glued down.  It reminds me of a "Shakespeare 
collar", properly called a ruff:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruff_(clothing)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:28:06 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
On Apr 22, 2024, at 12:56 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

I received three of the Rene Herse 584x45-68mm variant in the mail this 
morning, and installed two on my custom Falconer without issue.  The third will 
serve as a spare.

Anyone else who has received RH TPU tubes … mine have a little round piece of 
plastic between the valve stem and the tube, like a cute little collar, that 
seems to be for reinforcement, but it’s not actually attached to the tube - 
it’s just floating there. If it was glued to the tube, it probably would have 
prevented the leak. Anybody else looked at their tubes - is that collar 
attached or flapping around?


Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/953e6547-ae8e-4c68-8154-ab18d3316977n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/BN6PR17MB3219D1E7D021BA17FAB81F4CCD122%40BN6PR17MB3219.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bernard Duhon]

Early trek Aluminum bikes were good.
There is nothing as durable as an Aluminum bike paint job.  They were well made 
& last

However, don’t confuse the aluminum bike quality with those of Trek’s early 
steel bikes.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Ryan
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2024 9:22 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

@Sally...custom Erickson...that's a nice find, too!
On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 9:20:27 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
I think Bill's onto something. I've never owned a Trek, but I did (still have 
it, in fact) own a T600 or 700 Cannondale I bought in 1988 for the ridiculously 
low price of ~$600 CAD. It was a bit of an oddball with 271/4 wheel size 
instead of 700c and came with a very decent component spec; Deore derailleurs 
and triple crank , 600 hubs and brakes, nitto,TTT bars...really a  very  nice  
bike. Maybe because it was red...but great touring bike (yes,  we do have some 
hills in Manitoba) and really fun unloaded...kind of a sport-touring vibe. In 
fact, for most road riding; I found it way more comfortable than my Rossin. I 
gave it to my late partner, who put moustache bars on it...and BTW if drops 
don't float your boat , you might like moustache/albastache bars.

$325 is a small price to pay for an experiment. I do rather like that color. I 
know Trek is like the evil empire, but man, they did make some nice bikes in 
the 80s and 90s. OTOH...if Bill is willing to spend time with you to help you 
find something, you should definitely take him up on it because he knows what 
he's talking about.

Next priority is you'll have to build an extension on your garage to keep the 
fleet safe and dry :)

BTW...can't wait to see the purple platy once you have it all built up.
On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 8:46:48 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
Leah

Here's an exceptionally good value on an exceedingly solid road bike that could 
hold you over while you wait for the perfect Rivendell, -AND/OR- to act as a  
test platform for the unknown parts of a potential build concept.  This is the 
kind of value I'd try to sniff out for you:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-52cm-trek-usa-purple/7721534636.html

I don't know for sure it's the right size but I do know I'm 5'10" and would 
ride the 58 in that model.

BL
On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 6:12:20 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
Bill, I think I would love an albastache build. I ALSO like the idea of you 
being my personal shopper. I think I’m pretty biased to staying with Riv; I 
can’t be hurting Grant’s feelings, you know. But I love this Michigan 
connection! If we did get a road bike and you got all kinds of say-so in the 
build then you would for sure have to say APPROVE when I post it on the List. 
Very gratifying, indeed.


On Apr 20, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Bill Lindsay 
mailto:tape...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Leah

My previous Roadeo was set up as a straight-ahead stripped down road bike, and 
I would have used that anyplace anybody rides a road bike.  After selling that, 
and while I was waiting for my new pink Roadeo, I used my Black Mountain Road 
in that stripped down road bike slot, and that bike was the deal of the 
century, IMO.  The RoadeoRosa revealed itself to be more than just a stripped 
down road bike: It has insisted to become my 700c randonneuse.

Anyway, I did a very fast build on a Leo Roadini, last batch, and my best-ever 
brevet time was on that bike.  So I think it's doable.  The newer batch with 
its long reach brakes feels less "roadie".

I can sympathize with the desire to run a Riv, but I'd also recommend casting a 
wider net, because smaller frame sized used road bikes can be had at a really 
good price.  Maybe if you start trolling Michigan craigslist and the next time 
I'm out in Wayne County for work I can come be your personal shopper.  :)

Anything that can be set up with drop bars can probably also be set up with an 
albastache build, which may ease you in.  Also, having a placeholder road bike 
could free you up to put a deposit on a Roadeo and then you'll have both!

Do let me know if you want more advice

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike 
because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really 
offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the 
Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year 
wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal.

Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo 
that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be 
but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing 
about any of this. Clearly.

Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a 
toll on me 

[RBW] Friction 9 V 10 speed

[Bernard Duhon]

I have been friction  shifting my 10 speed campy set up. 11-26 X 44-28 Crank is 
Sugino.
Was not happy with performance , ghosts shifts up when spinning & down when 
stomping the pedals.
Switched up to a 34-11 Shimano
Nothing else changed
Seems to be working really well.

Previous threads and literature suggests that the closer the cogs in 10 & 11 
speeds makes for better friction shifting.

What has been your experience?

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/BN6PR17MB32192526C45695E679B83DBFCD082%40BN6PR17MB3219.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: 34 T cassette deraailleur clearance

[Bernard Duhon]

Ah ha.
Took my stupid pill 
There it is.

Even the product booklet does not show it.

Thanks.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2024 12:01 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: 34 T cassette deraailleur clearance

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 6:56:15 PM UTC-7 Bernard Duhon wrote:

Thanks,  but my fancy campy rd has no ‘B” screw.

Actually, your fancy 10-speed Chorus rear derailleur does. It's just not in the 
same location as the Shimano/SRAM ones. The Campagnolo chain tension adjustment 
screw is actually on the cage itself:

[http://www.raltech.co.uk/images/Campag1.jpg]
(image taken from http://www.raltech.co.uk/Prod_96-Inst-RMC-Campag.html)

Here's a video<https://youtu.be/QoGyvl0eXWA?si=F4sLTOFb0C-ldazo=137> 
explaining how to do the adjustment, but other than the location of the screw, 
the concept is the same other than any other modern derailleur.


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/cfe68726-804e-4da7-a358-0d41628d4c43n%40googlegroups.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/cfe68726-804e-4da7-a358-0d41628d4c43n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/BN6PR17MB321969ED31607EB183016D72CD092%40BN6PR17MB3219.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: 34 T cassette deraailleur clearance

[Bernard Duhon]

Thanks,  but my fancy campy rd has no ‘B” screw.

I think I’ll mount the Altus.

It is only too close for comfort on the 34T
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jim M.
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2024 7:24 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: 34 T cassette deraailleur clearance

If you want to try to make the Chorus work, you could reverse the b screw to 
add a little more reach, or you could try a Wolf Tooth Roadlink hanger 
extender. I've used the Roadlink with good results.

jim m
walnut creek ca
On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 3:02:47 PM UTC-7 Nick A. wrote:
Hey there Bernard. Not sure about the answer to your first question but 
shifting under load always kinda changes the situation a bit in my experience. 
As for the Altus, I'm running an 11-34 10s cassette via friction and it works a 
treat.

Happy shifting!
Nick in FC

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 5:30:52 PM UTC-4 Bernard Duhon wrote:


Brain Trust,
I have a 34 tooth 9 speed cassette recently installed.
Am friction shifting

Have a campy chorus 10 speed rear derailleur that just barely clears the 34 th 
tooth.

Bought a Shimano Altus Rd M310 in anticipation of the chorus not clearing the 
34th tooth.

Grant P said the Altus will friction to 9 sp tho designed to index 7 & 8.

Two questions


  1.  I am looking for trouble by have the Campy derailleur that barely clears 
the largest cassette?
  2.  Will the Altus provide greater clearance?.


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1748f10f-e333-46b7-83c1-bdee8ae84b9an%40googlegroups.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1748f10f-e333-46b7-83c1-bdee8ae84b9an%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/BN6PR17MB3219217A07D3E2DB0C0B9B57CD092%40BN6PR17MB3219.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] 34 T cassette deraailleur clearance

[Bernard Duhon]

Brain Trust,
I have a 34 tooth 9 speed cassette recently installed.
Am friction shifting

Have a campy chorus 10 speed rear derailleur that just barely clears the 34 th 
tooth.

Bought a Shimano Altus Rd M310 in anticipation of the chorus not clearing the 
34th tooth.

Grant P said the Altus will friction to 9 sp tho designed to index 7 & 8.

Two questions

1.  I am looking for trouble by have the Campy derailleur that barely 
clears the largest cassette?
2.  Will the Altus provide greater clearance?.


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/BN6PR17MB3219E31429689C1307D870D5CD0A2%40BN6PR17MB3219.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: Campy Hub Shimano cassette??? or 34 tooth cog

[Bernard Duhon]

I am now set up for 10/9 speed
I would then need a new deraileur, chain & chainrings & cassette ?
Cheaper to get a Shimano wheel. & use Shimano cassette I have.

Thanks tho.
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John S
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2024 5:17 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Campy Hub Shimano cassette??? or 34 tooth cog

How many speeds are you running? Campy offers 11-34 cassettes for their 
12-speed groupsets, and there is now a 12-speed-compatible bar end shifter 
available through Soma.
On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 3:54:09 PM UTC-5 
ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:





I have a Campy hub and can't get large enough cassette. Would like a 34 tooth 
cassette
I'm running friction shifters.
Is there a hack that would allow me to get 34 tooth cassette on that Campy hub?





--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2f478000-6e8a-4a85-ab0d-a7cec97fef98n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491B275B9226A5B8E6351DDCD062%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] Campy Hub Shimano cassette??? or 34 tooth cog

[Bernard Duhon]

I have a Campy hub and can't get large enough cassette. Would like a 34 tooth 
cassette
I'm running friction shifters.
Is there a hack that would allow me to get 34 tooth cassette on that Campy hub?





-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SJ0PR17MB5493662AD46D24641E4625D2CD062%40SJ0PR17MB5493.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] Different tire size front and rear.?

[Bernard Duhon]

Gang,
In my quest for fitting the largest tires my frames will take, I have put a 
larger tire on the front 38 mm of my 700 C and 35mm  in the rear.

On my 650 B conversion of a 700 C bike I have a 42 mm in the front and a 38 mm 
in the rear.

The larger tire is 3.5 mm taller than the smaller tire on an unweighted bike
I suspect the lower tire pressures would result in an even smaller difference 
when I ride  the bike.

In any event I have noticed little difference.

Am I missing something here?

Bernard

You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgvvFWkaR1h5YWtB9JveLtVjDHPkzShVy7%2BtQQg9CUNrFw%40mail.gmail.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491C042A40FD6217730ED1ECD392%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: Abomination? Riv Road "upgrades"

[Bernard Duhon]

How about riv with Campy neutron or protons



From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 1:33 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Abomination? Riv Road "upgrades"

...speaking of getting fancy wheels on the cheap, I had been watching some HED 
tubulars really cheap on eBay and finally pulled the trigger.  They are now 
installed on my Legolas, so we can start our Rivendells with tubulars thread.

BL in EC
On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 9:58:10 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
Whatever gets you riding it.  Carbon rims are "invisible" if they have a decent 
braking surface, as those appear to have.  I think it's fun.  Grant poked fun 
at the 20-spoke front wheel on my new Roadeo.  Those wheels are definitely ugly 
but ugly gets you a good price sometimes.  Lean into it and you can make ugly 
work for you.  You've got a very very good shade of green to counterbalance the 
wheels.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 7:57:32 AM UTC-7 EGNolan wrote:
I'll give lots more background on the backstory and handwringing that led to 
this if you want, but long story short: I scored a mismatched (different eras, 
different materials, different depths) set of Zipp wheels extremely cheaply 
recently and decided to turn my Bosco'd 650b conversion Riv Road back into a 
road bike set up for road riding. Pairing the wheels with some on-sale Vittoria 
Corsa G2.0 in 32 width made the bike smoother than with 650b x 42 GravelKings 
and loads faster. Is it an abomination? Heresy? Who knows? Who cares? It's fun, 
lighter and I'm enjoying the set up for now (though I may need a larger 
chainring now...)

Enjoy (or not):

[https://groups.google.com/u/1/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/2c40bafb6a730/IMG_8312.JPG?part=0.1=1]

Best,
Eric
Indpls
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/22f647d5-2d41-4804-b331-23568dcc8cb2n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491F297AF211EC77FD53DABCD2D2%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Major v brake adjustment

[Bernard Duhon]

So maybe a third  and fourth cable adjuster mid run along the top tube

Get Outlook for iOS

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Brian Turner 
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 11:06:43 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Major v brake adjustment

I feel ya on that one, Bernard. I too have a couple of wheelsets for my 26" 
Atlantis and there's two different sets of tires I enjoy running on that bike. 
Rims are different widths of course so it's a question of, which is the least 
amount of hassle: swapping out tires on the one wheelset, or swapping wheels 
and readjusting the brakes each time? My other issue is that one wheelset is 
built up with a dyno hub and the other isn't, so I have to find a way to secure 
the light wiring if I'm not using the dyno hub set. AGH! I'm not at the point 
yet where I want to spring for an additional matching wheelset, though!

Brian
Lexington KY


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ba4ad807-6e2d-4149-bfa5-d9016a4e1298n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54917F0617F379C048F8669ACD292%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] Major v brake adjustment

[Bernard Duhon]

The wheels on the Waterford pict were purchased from Nashbar during a clearance 
for $150.00 w/ shipping a long time ago.  I use them to bomb around town etc & 
swap out to my Dt Swiss for touring.
For a while I felt bad about buying & riding em.  Now I am glad to be able to 
“save” my real touring 26” wheels for when I need em.
I only wish the 2 rims were the same width, I have to reset the cable when I 
switch them out.

I have adjusters at the lever & the Noodle.  Any suggestions for major brake 
adjustment

Bernard

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of ian m
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2024 8:52 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All 
Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 1:24:14 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:
I love my two 26" bikes as well and have been stockpiling rims and even brake 
pads to keep them in service. There are just so few options left in keeping 
non-disc 26" bikes on the road, despite it being a versatile, strong, light and 
awesome wheel size.

The first wheelset I built myself has Riv prototype hubs (Velocity made? Maybe 
Bitex) laced to 26" ceramic Mavic rims and I didn't think I'd want to switch to 
26" disc wheels until I found myself trying to find ceramic brake pads for the 
v-brakes and paid a dumb amount for some.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/217995d5-ccc6-481f-8517-18614d927a70n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54919A0606364461A1AC701ECD292%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] WTB shimano es 600 or xt xtr double sided spd

[Bernard Duhon]

Thanks to the list I obtained a nearly new shimano A 600 & Love em.

Will equip another bike with their replacement es 600

Or xtr 9100

Would like in nearly new condition

Let me hear from you.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54914BF73EE10F285AD53C70CD242%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Stainless bottle/ cage recommendation

[Bernard Duhon]

Thanks for the bottle/cage suggestions.

As fate would have it my LBS just received camelback’s Podium insulated 
stainless water bottle.
I got to touch & feel & buy & support.
Put in on my 17 year old Stainless King cage & voila no rattle & easy flow of 
water.
Now I don’t know what to do with the plastic cage I bought , just in case

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Pam Bikes
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 6:44 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Stainless bottle/ cage recommendation

Arundel Looney Bins are adjustable and can hold all my bottles - Thermos, 
Nalgene, Swell, Polar Bottle, CorksicleDial holds it tight so no rattles.
On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 9:22:44 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:
I have a Klean Kanteen 800ml w/ a bamboo top. The top would rattle a little 
during rides but I put a tiny strip of Newbaum's on it and it's now rattle 
free. It fits snugly in a King Iris cage.

On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 8:29:14 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you for the Bivo suggestion, those are just what I have been looking for. 
I ordered two and am going to give them a test run soon!

Sarah

On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 9:23:42 PM UTC-8 
ocea...@gmail.com<mailto:ocea...@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 for king cages and I’ve recently discovered Bivo water bottles. They’re 
excellent and silent.
On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 8:33:57 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
+ 1 Iris. Simple, indestructible, elegant shape,

Jock

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 8:07 PM John Rinker 
mailto:jwri...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I've enjoyed the Iris King 
cages<https://kingcage.com/en-ca/collections/water-bottle-cages/products/iris-king-cage>.
 Very secure and quite elegant looking.
[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/389a619140b3a/Screen%20Shot%202024-02-25%20at%208.06.35%20PM.png?part=0.1=1]
Cheers, John

On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 7:52:55 PM UTC-8 
campyo...@me.com<mailto:campyo...@me.com> wrote:
These have worked well for me. Adjustable fit to keep the bottle firmly in 
place.

[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/38768c4e16a77/cfff0946e78b4f4406f14619c8cbfea9.jpeg?part=0.1.1=1]
Mojave Water Bottle 
Cage<https://velo-orange.com/collections/cages/products/mojave-cage>
velo-orange.com<https://velo-orange.com/collections/cages/products/mojave-cage>


--Eric Norris
campyo...@me.com<mailto:campyo...@me.com>
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy


On Feb 25, 2024, at 7:03 PM, Bernard Duhon 
mailto:ber...@bernardduhon.com>> wrote:

Mates,

I would like to migrate to a stainless water bottle.  Most folks with em I 
noticed a rattle I could not tolerate.

Recommendation for a rattle free stainless bottle & cage ( of any composition)


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54911DBFC552D6C666AC6B07CD5A2%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54911DBFC552D6C666AC6B07CD5A2%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c0f1c64a-174f-4e7d-ac3a-ab2aca5e25a5n%40googlegroups.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c0f1c64a-174f-4e7d-ac3a-ab2aca5e25a5n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8ebed124-0377-4a53-9eaa-64251d9b3763n%40googlegroups.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8ebed124-0377-4a53-9eaa-64251d9b3763n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491A338E5E50D239BFF2D4FCD242%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: Rim life - shimano vs. other brake pads?

[Bernard Duhon]

I have two sets of 26 inch rims:
one has dots periodically drilled into the surface. When the surface gets worn 
down & the dots disappear and you should replace the rim.

I have another set which has a groove all the way around the rim in the center 
of the breaking surface. When that grove disappears it's time to replace the 
rim.

It was a practice common though not universal in mountain bike rims.

All rim brake manufacturers should do that.

Measuring wear with a set of calipers is imprecise at best.

Each rim manufacturer may have different standards as to how thin the breaking 
surface can get before replacement. If they do there are  a lot of “ safety 
considerations ” baked in.

After 12,000 miles of few gravel & fewer hills the  “dots” are still visible.>

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brian Forsee
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 9:56 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rim life - shimano vs. other brake pads?

At the risk of sending this thread on a tangent, I will pose a related question.

How do you measure rim wear due to braking? Anecdotally? Or do you put numbers 
to it? How worn do you go before replacing a rim purely due to brake wear?

-Brian

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 8:45:46 AM UTC-6 
josh.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
100% agree with Will. I use Swissstop GXP Blues on my road bikes and Kool Stop 
salmons on everything else (Paul’s, MAFAC’s, etc.). I find that Kool Stop 
blacks chew through rims in our Seattle weather.

Josh
Seattle, WA
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 11:56:18 AM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:
I only ever use Kool Stop Salmon or SwissStop BXP.  No other pad is worth my 
time.  I fully realize my post is not useful to you at all :)

Will

On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 4:51:29 AM UTC-5 chintan jadwani wrote:
I was looking for reviews on a specific rim (Sun CR18) and ended up on a Thorn 
forum where users kept mentioning that they were experiencing shorter rim life 
as Shimano brake pads were eating up the brake surface much faster - and 
switching brake pads made a significant difference.

I'm curious if any of your experiences have been similar?

chintan
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3cfdadc5-92ba-4b0c-a405-27c6ffda21fdn%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB549159A05E9EA1BFE86D2D56CD232%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Bernard Duhon]

Acorn Medium saddlebag
My favorite by far.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John Bokman
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 5:44 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

Fantastic Jock!  What brakes are you using?

-John
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:00:07 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
I clearly recall the first time I hopped on my RAM 2004.

Epiphany!

A few years ago I sent it off for the Joe Bell Treatment…now it’s as beautiful 
and tasty as any bespoke two-wheeler.

https://flic.kr/p/2kafNb7

Jock






On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 8:24 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
I think my FS Roadeo is a good contender! All prodding aside, it is a great 
pavement bike, works well on dirt roads too as it will fit 700x35 tires.
Mike SLO CA
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
The Ram is indeed a worthy contender, but I was thinking of current models (I 
think those I listed are current ...?)

On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:49 PM Corwin Zechar 
mailto:cz...@sonic.net>> wrote:
Patrick -

You forgot the Ram!

Regards,

Corwni
On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:23:07 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
Roadeo, Roadini, Sam, Homer, and the Nitto Noodle?

FWIW, after having used any number of drop bars, my favorite is the Maes 
Parallel, available from Rene Herse but not from Rivendell. (Rivendell ought to 
offer it!)

Patrick Moore, present and former owner of 5 Rivendell drop bar road/roady-ish 
bikes

On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:56 AM Chuck Blessing 
mailto:cfic...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I really like the Rivendell approach to bikes and bike technology with the idea 
of a more upright posture and a long wheelbase for long rides at a comfortable 
pace, but it seems like the models all lean heavily to what they call "country 
bikes."  I like to ride from my house, and that means riding almost exclusively 
on smooth (mostly) pavement. Can anyone suggest which models are better suited 
for road riding? Reading and comparing the descriptions, it seems that the 
Homer might be a good choice, or possibly the Appaloosa or Atlantis? Or the new 
Charlie Gallop, though I haven't heard much about how it is supposed to ride? I 
tried a Roadini (which I recently listed here and sold), but I think it was too 
big for me. I never felt comfortable on it. Maybe I just needed it in the right 
size.

I would like the bike to work well with drop bars because of the multiple hand 
positions and they're just what I'm used to. I tried a bike with swept bars 
recently, but found I wasn't comfortable on longer rides. And when riding on 
streets with minimal shoulder width, I felt like I was going to catch the end 
of them on mailboxes or other obstacles. Maybe there's a handlebar in 
Rivendell's catalog that works well for road riding?

I'd appreciate any comments, especially if someone does this type of riding and 
has tried several of these models. Thanks.

Chuck
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ffe4848a-d3bc-4cd1-b75e-0260676c5865n%40googlegroups.com.


--

Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
---
Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing services
---
When thou didst not, savage, know thine own meaning,
But wouldst gabble like a thing most brutish,
I endowed thy purposes with words that made them known.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3f72d282-7292-4a63-ab44-7d3d3545635en%40googlegroups.com.


--

Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
---
Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing services
---
When thou didst not, savage, know thine own meaning,

[RBW] Stainless bottle/ cage recommendation

[Bernard Duhon]

Mates,

I would like to migrate to a stainless water bottle.  Most folks with em I 
noticed a rattle I could not tolerate.

Recommendation for a rattle free stainless bottle & cage ( of any composition)

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54911DBFC552D6C666AC6B07CD5A2%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Yet another tired question...

[Bernard Duhon]

One more thing. Your continentals are the most uncomfortable tire I ever rode.  
I know cause I got 5000 mile before 1st flat.
Paselas & Elk Pass are good for Erie canal.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Stephen Durfee
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2024 5:50 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Yet another tired question...

My son and I are planning an adventure along the Erie Canal route for this 
summer, with a few detours along the way to visit friends and explore the 
Finger Lakes. I’m planning to ride my All Rounder (26” wheels) and carry 
clothes and some gear for camping, but trying to keep the packing light. It 
will be mostly a paved road trip, but we might get the chance to get onto some 
gravel. With that as the back story, I’m curious about tire recommendations. 
The bike came to me with Continental Contacts and  I’ve experimented with 
Paselas and RH Elk Pass. I'm ready to try something new and would welcome the 
suggestions,
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f8919775-b338-4e1e-8cb3-09a70bb5d77en%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491DAF352DA930154782BCBCD5A2%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Yet another tired question...

[Bernard Duhon]

Wife & I did the Erie canal from
Lockport to Pittsford.  What little gravel was fine stone, no mud.  Not a lot 
of flat hazards either.  IT is much “tamer” then the GAP & C & O path.
There were skinny tire bikers who seemed to be doing fine.

Tho there is some lose gravel around the Fingerlakes

On my “fast” bike I ride 35mm 38mm on our local chip seal.  That would be 
adequate.

My touring bike has Marathon Supreme 1.6  inch is a great compromise on Size, 
flat protection, comfort, weight  & speed. That would be a good choice.
Also I got the 2 inch Supreme ( measures 47 mm on 18mm rim) I like it also.  
Both available in 26 inch.

Bernard

From: rbw-owners-bunc h...@googlegroups.com  
On Behalf Of Stephen Durfee
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2024 5:50 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Yet another tired question...

My son and I are planning an adventure along the Erie Canal route for this 
summer, with a few detours along the way to visit friends and explore the 
Finger Lakes. I’m planning to ride my All Rounder (26” wheels) and carry 
clothes and some gear for camping, but trying to keep the packing light. It 
will be mostly a paved road trip, but we might get the chance to get onto some 
gravel. With that as the back story, I’m curious about tire recommendations. 
The bike came to me with Continental Contacts and  I’ve experimented with 
Paselas and RH Elk Pass. I'm ready to try something new and would welcome the 
suggestions,
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f8919775-b338-4e1e-8cb3-09a70bb5d77en%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54915AEFC7937434DE2F63A4CD5A2%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] What drop bar do you use on your Riv?

[Bernard Duhon]

Tried several including Rene Hearse Randonner & found the bends in the bar left 
little room for the hands.
Have Settled on the Nitto “noodle” that Riv sells Nitto number is 177.  I find 
the bends & drop just right and the Tops & ramps roomy.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Josh Lubben
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 12:29 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] What drop bar do you use on your Riv?

Hi All!
I currently have an Albatross bar on my Homer, which I love. I also love doing 
bar swaps from time to time on my bikes as it can make the bike feel like a 
completely different bike.

I'm curious to hear what drop bars folks are running on whatever Rivendell you 
happen to own? I've considered the Crust Towel Rack bar for my Homer, so if you 
happen to be using one of those I'd love to hear your thoughts on that bar/see 
any pictures you might have. But as the post title suggests, I'd love to hear 
about any other drop bars y'all like to use.

Also, if you've switched from a swept back bar to a drop bar on your Riv, what 
adjustments to stem length did you need to make? I know this can be impacted by 
the bar of choice, but just wanting to get a sense of how much of change you 
experience in stem length.

Thanks!
Josh
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/56efdc9c-9262-49d5-9c23-e8686206e3bcn%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB549143849CF5ABEEBD57E363CD442%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] WTB Shimano A600 pedal

[Bernard Duhon]

I am interested but out of country & uncertain about future wi fi.
Keep me posted about the “light use”

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Eliot Balogh
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 6:05 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] WTB Shimano A600 pedal

I have an extra set or two. Let me confirm condition but probably light to 
moderate use.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 5:56 AM Bernard Duhon 
mailto:bern...@bernardduhon.com>> wrote:
Ok ,
ES600 pedal is less desirable than the A 600 it replaced.
one on ebay NOS is asking over twice the price of a new one.

So I’ll ask the gang if they have a nearly new A600 shimano pedals they would 
be willing to part with.

Baring that how about a es600 at a reasonable price that I could try out .


From: 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>> 
On Behalf Of Piaw Na
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:48 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

If you're not going to do serious single track I highly recommend the PD-ES600. 
https://blog.piaw.net/2022/10/review-shimano-pd-es600.html

My friends were really skeptical that it would make any difference compared to 
the venerable and well respected (deservedly so) M520s, but the wings and wider 
platform definitely make these pedals feel much better connected than the 
M520s, and are the first pedals I've tried that I consider a significant 
improvement over the M520s. My biggest issue with them is that you have to 
mount them with an allen wrench instead of having wrench flats. Beware though, 
they're singled sided (which is what makes the connection feel so nice --- the 
design wouldn't have worked with a double-sided pedal, I don't think)! But for 
paved riding they're really awesome.
On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:13:12 PM UTC-8 Bernard Duhon wrote:
I am in the hunt for a set of dual sided SPD pedals.
I'm going flat on my touring bike but there is too much total overlap on one of 
my bikes to do anything but a clip .
I have been riding the old  Onza elastomer SPD's.

any suggestions?

Benard

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3e5bef7b-74be-4a91-bfe0-13430ed2451fn%40googlegroups.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3e5bef7b-74be-4a91-bfe0-13430ed2451fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54911695360A117A7FD51FCACD7B2%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54911695360A117A7FD51FCACD7B2%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAALGE1UZMWMe38cZTjJZfjLvh2Uj%2BiKoQhHFF68KNfFaCF%2BpeA%40mail.gmail.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAALGE1UZMWMe38cZTjJZfjLvh2Uj%2BiKoQhHFF68KNfFaCF%2BpeA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54918CDED32425176BA7F81DCD422%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: Mainstream press article pushing steel bike?

[Bernard Duhon]

Many people thought the original aluminum frames were uncomfortable. I agree.
I believe modern aluminum frames are more comfortable.  Also now that we are 
riding 32mm and larger tires at lower pressures whatever comfort disadvantage 
has pretty much disappeared.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mathias Steiner
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 3:19 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Mainstream press article pushing steel bike?


With all respect to Mr. Weiss, the logical material for racy/roady types is 
aluminum, not steel.
Nearly as light as carbon, significantly more robust, cheaper, and has the 
modern look and feel.

It's a long way from a carbon Trek to a steel bike -- and whose steel bike do 
you buy? It'd have to be be something completely different.
Whereas some road and gravel models from major manufacturers are available in 
either carbon or aluminum.
That's what I read, anyway, in an article about the cost/benefit equation for 
aluminum vs. carbon. It made sense to me.

But what do I know... I'm riding 80s aluminum AND 80s steel and enjoy both.

cheers -m
On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 4:00:53 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
I may have had a similar reaction when the article first came up in my feed but 
then I saw the byline.
This is Eben Weiss, BikeSnobNYC. He's a regular contributor to Outside but he 
is in no way a mainstream cyclist (more Riv/Bob-ish) and his articles stand out 
as a bit different to most of what shows up there.

-Dave
On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 3:13:21 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.outsideonline.com/culture/opinion/theres-no-good-reason-to-buy-a-carbon-bike/?fbclid=IwAR2uIwBwz29AqiFhiVs5TTjdXw2HDNApUOMVh51foKzayEp1u_vB5UMltqU

Never thought I'd see this.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/64bb0107-4b6c-40d5-bbf8-9c0f07ca9a0bn%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54911D32BC4164AC53D59289CD7E2%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: [650B] Re: Onza pedal pla

[Bernard Duhon]

Wow!!

I may try the rebuild kit.



From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Ron Mc
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 7:59 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: [650B] Re: Onza pedal pla

http://mombatbicycles.com/MOMBAT/PartsForSalePages/pedals.html

Contact this bike shop and ask if you can mail your pedals in for rebuild.
On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 7:22:05 PM UTC-6 
ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
Cartridge bearing goes to the end of the spindle & cannot be removed

The cartridge moves about 1 cm in & out
It is clamped down with a nut which does not itself reduce the movement.
The movement is reduced by the outboard pedal endcap when tightened down.
Tried washers various torques.
I have come the conclusion its evil spirits & I can’t afford an exorcist.

From: 65...@googlegroups.com <65...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Jeff 
Bertolet in Raleigh, NC
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2024 3:29 PM
To: 650b <65...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [650B] Re: Onza pedal pla

I am not familiar with those, but they look a little like the old Time ATAC 
Alum pedals, internally at least. IIRC, the Alum had a tiny bearing on the 
outboard end and a bushing close to the crank.

What is inside the pedal body? Are there needle bearings? Does a small 
cartridge bearing go on the end of the spindle?
On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 9:49:16 AM UTC-5 ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
I have 2 sets of Onza spd pedals (with elastomers).  Both have developed a 
little play.  They have cartridge bearings. One set has 9,000.00 miles the 
other 3,000..
Cleaning & regreasing only a little help
Minimum adjustment options.

Any experience or suggestions?

I’d like to keep em, one of em has a ti spindle.

Bernard




--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"650b" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 650b+uns...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/650b/fafa919a-fd13-4990-a567-432b8df14e24n%40googlegroups.com.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/49db3c0d-c06d-4111-a294-ce00b0e3abb0n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54916563A6BCBF9A1A81127ACD7E2%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] RE: [650B] Re: Onza pedal pla

[Bernard Duhon]

Cartridge bearing goes to the end of the spindle & cannot be removed

The cartridge moves about 1 cm in & out
It is clamped down with a nut which does not itself reduce the movement.
The movement is reduced by the outboard pedal endcap when tightened down.
Tried washers various torques.
I have come the conclusion its evil spirits & I can’t afford an exorcist.

From: 6...@googlegroups.com <6...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Jeff Bertolet 
in Raleigh, NC
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2024 3:29 PM
To: 650b <6...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [650B] Re: Onza pedal pla

I am not familiar with those, but they look a little like the old Time ATAC 
Alum pedals, internally at least. IIRC, the Alum had a tiny bearing on the 
outboard end and a bushing close to the crank.

What is inside the pedal body? Are there needle bearings? Does a small 
cartridge bearing go on the end of the spindle?
On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 9:49:16 AM UTC-5 
ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
I have 2 sets of Onza spd pedals (with elastomers).  Both have developed a 
little play.  They have cartridge bearings. One set has 9,000.00 miles the 
other 3,000..
Cleaning & regreasing only a little help
Minimum adjustment options.

Any experience or suggestions?

I’d like to keep em, one of em has a ti spindle.

Bernard




--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"650b" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 650b+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/650b/fafa919a-fd13-4990-a567-432b8df14e24n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491C04755BD73574132DAE4CD7E2%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: play in Onza pedals

[Bernard Duhon]

Sage Advice!

Why am I trying to keep 25 +year-old peddle rolling?

I will not purchase somebody else's 25-year-old peddle in the hopes that it's a 
better condition than mine & to try and rebuild it.

In the words of a Bruce Cockburn song “it's a sin to try and make things last 
forever”

I'll either by the A520s preferably the A600 both rare and a600 I found is five 
times the price of the A520.

Like a lot of things, put it in writing and you see it, the decision becomes 
obvious.

That's what's so good about user groups.

That is particularly true where I live. Rivendell oriented  cyclists are 
lone-rangers!



From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Ron Mc
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 9:30 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: play in Onza pedals

Pedal clicking is usually in the big bushings or wear in the shaft itself.
You'll note rebuilds kits include these two items, plus the bearings.
Found this on ebay - price is right if it matches your pedal.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155873406654
On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 9:19:41 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
If you have a sealed bearing object that has developed play IN THE BEARINGS, 
and you insist on making the play go away*, then you have to replace the 
bearings.  It is generally a lot easier to install cartridge bearings than it 
is to remove them.  Some sealed bearing objects are designed with no intention 
of bearings ever being removed.  Even those objects that are designed to have 
replaceable bearings, it typically requires a special tool.

So, for your ~30 year old Onza pedals, long out of production, you'll need to 
figure it out for yourself or hire somebody who has already figured it out.  
Like, if there is such a thing as a tiny bearing puller, and it cost $100, 
would you buy that tool?  Have you fully removed the spindle and confirmed the 
play is in bearings?  Some pedals have plastic bushings instead of bearings at 
the outside end.  Do you have those?  Bushings are relatively straightforward 
to remanufacture, in a hobbyist machine shop.
*if you decide you can live with it, it may get worse, but there's little 
chance of damaging anything else, and the pedals won't fly apart.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 6:48:51 AM UTC-8 ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
I have 2 sets of Onza spd pedals (with elastomers).  Both have developed a 
little play.  They have cartridge bearings. One set has 9,000.00 miles the 
other 3,000..
Cleaning & regreasing only a little help
Minimum adjustment options.

Any experience or suggestions?

I’d like to keep em, one of em has a ti spindle.



--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e7f6b261-cf52-44bb-b6d4-00f4ee19b2b6n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491F3F3E1D58AE2C07EB077CD792%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] play in Onza pedals

[Bernard Duhon]

I have 2 sets of Onza spd pedals (with elastomers).  Both have developed a 
little play.  They have cartridge bearings. One set has 9,000.00 miles the 
other 3,000..
Cleaning & regreasing only a little help
Minimum adjustment options.

Any experience or suggestions?

I'd like to keep em, one of em has a ti spindle.



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491D7105804E69BA1566B2CCD792%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

[Bernard Duhon]

Any experience with the A 520 pedal which is the precursor of the A 600 & es 
600  (( not the double sided m 520)

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Piaw Na
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:48 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

If you're not going to do serious single track I highly recommend the PD-ES600. 
https://blog.piaw.net/2022/10/review-shimano-pd-es600.html

My friends were really skeptical that it would make any difference compared to 
the venerable and well respected (deservedly so) M520s, but the wings and wider 
platform definitely make these pedals feel much better connected than the 
M520s, and are the first pedals I've tried that I consider a significant 
improvement over the M520s. My biggest issue with them is that you have to 
mount them with an allen wrench instead of having wrench flats. Beware though, 
they're singled sided (which is what makes the connection feel so nice --- the 
design wouldn't have worked with a double-sided pedal, I don't think)! But for 
paved riding they're really awesome.
On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:13:12 PM UTC-8 Bernard Duhon wrote:
I am in the hunt for a set of dual sided SPD pedals.
I'm going flat on my touring bike but there is too much total overlap on one of 
my bikes to do anything but a clip .
I have been riding the old  Onza elastomer SPD's.

any suggestions?

Benard

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3e5bef7b-74be-4a91-bfe0-13430ed2451fn%40googlegroups.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3e5bef7b-74be-4a91-bfe0-13430ed2451fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491A67D6A1B1D43AC7F800CCD792%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] WTB Shimano A600 pedal

[Bernard Duhon]

Ok ,
ES600 pedal is less desirable than the A 600 it replaced.
one on ebay NOS is asking over twice the price of a new one.

So I’ll ask the gang if they have a nearly new A600 shimano pedals they would 
be willing to part with.

Baring that how about a es600 at a reasonable price that I could try out .


From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Piaw Na
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:48 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

If you're not going to do serious single track I highly recommend the PD-ES600. 
https://blog.piaw.net/2022/10/review-shimano-pd-es600.html

My friends were really skeptical that it would make any difference compared to 
the venerable and well respected (deservedly so) M520s, but the wings and wider 
platform definitely make these pedals feel much better connected than the 
M520s, and are the first pedals I've tried that I consider a significant 
improvement over the M520s. My biggest issue with them is that you have to 
mount them with an allen wrench instead of having wrench flats. Beware though, 
they're singled sided (which is what makes the connection feel so nice --- the 
design wouldn't have worked with a double-sided pedal, I don't think)! But for 
paved riding they're really awesome.
On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:13:12 PM UTC-8 Bernard Duhon wrote:
I am in the hunt for a set of dual sided SPD pedals.
I'm going flat on my touring bike but there is too much total overlap on one of 
my bikes to do anything but a clip .
I have been riding the old  Onza elastomer SPD's.

any suggestions?

Benard

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3e5bef7b-74be-4a91-bfe0-13430ed2451fn%40googlegroups.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3e5bef7b-74be-4a91-bfe0-13430ed2451fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54911695360A117A7FD51FCACD7B2%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

[Bernard Duhon]

I'm a newbie as to Shimano SPD
what is the difference between the 51 and the 56 cleat?


 Attorneys:  Pursuant to the new LA. C.C.P. art. 1313 (c), please serve
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of eddietheflay
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 1:26 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

Don't overlook the alternate cleats that allow for easier in and out.

https://ride.shimano.com/products/sm-sh56
On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 6:16:34 AM UTC-8 
ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
The only nos A 600 I found was $138.00 on ebay

From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Toshi Takeuchi
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 9:36 PM
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

I recommend using the A600 if you can find them, because (similar to most road 
pedals) they return to the upright position with the pedal perpendicular to the 
ground, so you can clip in without looking.  The ES600 spins 360, so the pedal 
can be upside down or any which way when you go to clip back in, so you might 
need to rotate the pedal 180 degrees into the correct position when you clip in.

With that said, I still chose the ES600 when I replaced my Look Keo pedals, so 
I can walk around more comfortably and can live with the extra effort when I 
clip in.

Toshi



--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAGB59xwcB25xakxYrjD0YxKN%2BYbEKSfSVLjNu6o3T4tOGEjFRg%40mail.gmail.com.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7bb15286-b3a3-4a18-b43b-ef9de22dbc5dn%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491F0826151293C9B830EFBCD752%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

[Bernard Duhon]

The only nos A 600 I found was $138.00 on ebay

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Toshi Takeuchi
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 9:36 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

I recommend using the A600 if you can find them, because (similar to most road 
pedals) they return to the upright position with the pedal perpendicular to the 
ground, so you can clip in without looking.  The ES600 spins 360, so the pedal 
can be upside down or any which way when you go to clip back in, so you might 
need to rotate the pedal 180 degrees into the correct position when you clip in.

With that said, I still chose the ES600 when I replaced my Look Keo pedals, so 
I can walk around more comfortably and can live with the extra effort when I 
clip in.

Toshi



--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAGB59xwcB25xakxYrjD0YxKN%2BYbEKSfSVLjNu6o3T4tOGEjFRg%40mail.gmail.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491258B381EF018E6F2CE03CD752%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

[Bernard Duhon]

Thank you for the recommendation
Jan Heine used the  a600s. The difference is the ES600 sawed off a few 
millimeters on the back of the pedal. That shrinks your foot platform.
do you know if there were any other "improvements "between the A600 and the 
Es600

 Thank you for reminding me of these because I had forgotten. I'll try and find 
a new old stock version of the A600
only be using this on pavement, gravel & forest road.


From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Piaw Na
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:48 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: SPD pedal recomendation

If you're not going to do serious single track I highly recommend the PD-ES600. 
https://blog.piaw.net/2022/10/review-shimano-pd-es600.html

My friends were really skeptical that it would make any difference compared to 
the venerable and well respected (deservedly so) M520s, but the wings and wider 
platform definitely make these pedals feel much better connected than the 
M520s, and are the first pedals I've tried that I consider a significant 
improvement over the M520s. My biggest issue with them is that you have to 
mount them with an allen wrench instead of having wrench flats. Beware though, 
they're singled sided (which is what makes the connection feel so nice --- the 
design wouldn't have worked with a double-sided pedal, I don't think)! But for 
paved riding they're really awesome.
On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:13:12 PM UTC-8 Bernard Duhon wrote:
I am in the hunt for a set of dual sided SPD pedals.
I'm going flat on my touring bike but there is too much total overlap on one of 
my bikes to do anything but a clip .
I have been riding the old  Onza elastomer SPD's.

any suggestions?

Benard

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3e5bef7b-74be-4a91-bfe0-13430ed2451fn%40googlegroups.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3e5bef7b-74be-4a91-bfe0-13430ed2451fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491A49D7961E9827CE0A1EBCD752%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] SPD pedal recomendation

[Bernard Duhon]

I am in the hunt for a set of dual sided SPD pedals.
I'm going flat on my touring bike but there is too much total overlap on one of 
my bikes to do anything but a clip .
I have been riding the old  Onza elastomer SPD's.

any suggestions?

Benard

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491C794659673260D6D1522CD762%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] FS: J Cyclewear Waterproof Breathable Rain jacket 2XL with helmet cover.

[Bernard Duhon]

Thanks
I will probably buy on if they are still available

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Kim H.
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2024 10:13 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] FS: J Cyclewear Waterproof Breathable Rain jacket 2XL with 
helmet cover.

@Bernard -

I am sorry that my jacket is too big for you. For me, if I would only be able 
to wear a long sleeve mid weight merino wool pull over and a long sleeve wool 
jersey underneath the coat, nothing more.

I do not know the answer to your question about my jacket's waterproofing 
compared to the benchmark of ShowersPass's waterproofing, because I have not 
worn the jacket outside in the rain. However, from the description of the 
jacket in its' waterproof qualities, details and seeing how the jacket is 
constructed, I would absolutely say that it is a very quality and durable 
jacket for cycling in comparison to a ShowersPass Elite 2.1 jacket I had once 
owned before.

When you wear a rain jacket for cycling, do you layer underneath ?

What size do you normally wear ?

Kim Hetzel.





On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 7:29:57 AM UTC-8 Bernard Duhon wrote:

Jacket is too big for me.

I checked the website & price is more than attractive.



How does its waterproofing  compare to the benchmark “Showers pass”?



From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Kim H.
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2024 12:12 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] FS: J Cyclewear Waterproof Breathable Rain jacket 2XL with 
helmet cover.



Late last year I purchased a bright yellow J Cyclewear Waterproof Breathable 
Rain jacket in size 2XL from their website. I would have bought a 3XL, but they 
were all sold out.

My issue with the jacket is that there is no room for layering underneath 
whatsoever. Therefore, I honestly cannot use it.

https://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Jackets.html

https://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Helmet-Covers.html

The jacket is in excellent and brand new condition. I have not even worn it 
outside. It has been in my closet all this time. It is time to find a new owner.

I want to sell it with the matching helmet cover that is offered with the 
jacket. I paid around $80.00 for the both of them new,with shipping..

How about $65.00, shipped ?

Paypal payment preferred.



Thank-you.

Kim Hetzel

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7342fa19-9d93-4717-806a-97260dad484cn%40googlegroups.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7342fa19-9d93-4717-806a-97260dad484cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/33076a51-901a-4803-851f-83a34938328bn%40googlegroups.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/33076a51-901a-4803-851f-83a34938328bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491D298465D60D7413A6F49CD772%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] FS: J Cyclewear Waterproof Breathable Rain jacket 2XL with helmet cover.

[Bernard Duhon]

Jacket is too big for me.
I checked the website & price is more than attractive.

How does its waterproofing  compare to the benchmark “Showers pass”?

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Kim H.
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2024 12:12 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] FS: J Cyclewear Waterproof Breathable Rain jacket 2XL with 
helmet cover.

Late last year I purchased a bright yellow J Cyclewear Waterproof Breathable 
Rain jacket in size 2XL from their website. I would have bought a 3XL, but they 
were all sold out.

My issue with the jacket is that there is no room for layering underneath 
whatsoever. Therefore, I honestly cannot use it.

https://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Rain-Jackets.html

https://www.bicycleclothing.com/Waterproof-Breathable-Helmet-Covers.html

The jacket is in excellent and brand new condition. I have not even worn it 
outside. It has been in my closet all this time. It is time to find a new owner.

I want to sell it with the matching helmet cover that is offered with the 
jacket. I paid around $80.00 for the both of them new,with shipping..
How about $65.00, shipped ?
Paypal payment preferred.

Thank-you.

Kim Hetzel
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7342fa19-9d93-4717-806a-97260dad484cn%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54918B328466468028B11A13CD772%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] Touring tire & Happy new year

[Bernard Duhon]

I first, wish my biker friends a happy new year!

I am new to the list and enjoy the tales & profit from the advice.

On the touring tire subject I was over thinking it. Just cause I have a great 
set up my touring bike  (26 inch Marathon Supremes)  Doesn't mean the 
Gravelkings sitting in the garage won't do just fine and fresh tires are always 
a good idea.

Happy riding

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB549156B80AC4A4FF61EF203FCD62A%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] 650 b touring tire recommendation

[Bernard Duhon]

Gang,
Looking for a 650b touring tire.
Panaracer ss looks as good as I can get.

Maximum width is 38 mm rear 42 mm front.

I would love to find Marathon Supreme but they don't exist in that size.

Any suggestions?

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491937D887857A6E53AB29FCD9DA%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] "Grant hates toe clips."

[Bernard Duhon]

I have a couple of Thompson 0 setback seatpost if your interested.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Garth
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2023 2:23 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] "Grant hates toe clips."

No retention at all for me for that last 20 some years. Since my feet are 
positioned more midfoot and the pedals have good pins to grip Altra Lone 
Peaks(w/150mm cranks), I have no need for anything else. I have no pins on the 
other side and the even then my feet stay in place from feel. .Since moving my 
saddle all the way forward I find my pedaling has become even more 
effective/efficient. Torque + pedal speed = vroom sensation = FUN !  I think 
I'm going to get a zero setback post to try as I'm close to the limit on the 
Cobb saddle with a Ritchey 25mm setback post. As the foot is placed more 
midfoot, I feel much more "planted" to the cranks from my trunk/core. Now that 
I'm going more forward of the BB, I find an aero position more comfortable, and 
now feet are more angled forward/down than before. Picture the classic 
Roadrunner cartoon where at full speed and side angle, the RR's head is forward 
of the feet, the entire body is leaning forward, and the RR is just chillin' 
doing it. The more forward I am of the BB, I'm pushing more back with my entire 
body to the wheel/chainstays, rather than pushing down or forward with my body 
further back of the BB. It's also less strenuous on everything, go figure. So 
now I'm in complete rethink of frame design, I could use a much steeper seat 
tube angle, 73.5-74 ish. This isn't stuff anyone can teach, other than 
encouraging the exploration/creativity to find your way as to what works and 
what doesn't.
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 1:34:13 PM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:
I just remembered I also used Power Grips which was a nice combination of foot 
retention and normal shoes. The one downside to power grips was that they 
needed to be adjusted for shoes that were materially different in size from the 
shoes used to set up the straps. Chuck Taylor’s vs hiking boots for example. I 
set mine up a bit loose for Chuck’s which worked for most of the shoes I used 
with the Power Grips.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:08 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:

The first bike I bought for myself was a mid 80’s Schwinn Sierra and I rode 
that to commute to work and school. Once I added a road bike (Nishiki Prestige) 
to that I started reading cycling magazines and learned that the flat pedals I 
had been using since I started riding weren’t the way to go. So I bought some 
Time pedals and cleats for the road bike.  The Schwinn got some clips and 
straps for retention.

At some point I ditched the Time for SPD’s and used those on all bikes for 
years. When I got my Riv custom in 2000 I went in on the retro thing and put 
clips and straps on it but that didn’t last long and the Riv soon got SPD’s as 
well.

Quite a few years back I picked up a Brompton and found the flat, no retention 
pedals on it didn’t feel weird and I did not miss having retention. Since then 
I have most of my bikes set up with flat pedals with pins. I still have my “go 
fast” bike set up with SPD’s and I do put those on my off-road bike when I plan 
to do more technical trails. But most off-road rides I just used flats.

I really like not having to change into different shoes when I ride. Most of my 
riding is commuting/errands so I am not getting “kitted up” for those rides. 
Since I’m not changing into a riding outfit it makes sense to not have to 
change shoes as well.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 24, 2023, at 5:44 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

First entry in new Blahg. And no, he doesn't; he reports someone's 
out-of-context judgment.

But I'm curious how many on this RBW list like and use retention and how many 
don't; and of the former, how many use toe clips and how many use clipless 
systems -- and what kind.

I'll start: I rode fast for years and thousands of miles in Keds with thick, 
soft soles and then rubber-soled lace ups of other sorts on un-clipped rat-trap 
pedals (and even rubber block pedals) until in about 1990 I got my first 
relatively expensive road bike (1989 Falcon, tout 531C with Sante group) and 
decided largely because of bike mag content that I'd better get with the 
retention program. I started with Bata Bikers and clips and straps, graduated 
to clips and straps and slotted cleats, then pretty quickly switched to the 
burgeoning varieties of clipless -- Sampson Stratics, Grafton "Erector Set" 
road and mtb pedals, Speedplay X1s and Frogs, Looks of various sorts, and 
finally SPDs, road and mtb (by "road" I mean the ones that came out for about 1 
season long long ago with the mtb mechanism).

A couple of years ago I tried platforms with spikes and no-retention shoes but 
after about a month of annoyance always shifting my foot to find the right 
position I gave up 

RE: [RBW] "Grant hates toe clips."

[Bernard Duhon]

Cages & straps in the 70’s.  Turned into an occasional cyclists till early 
90’s.  When I returned, all the “serious” cyclist had Look’s.  I couldn’t go 
that far cause of the duckwalk. SPD it was.  The real bikers looked down on my 
inefficient touring shoes.  My commuter & errand bike had flat pedals, on & off 
with cages/straps.  Finally ditched cages 5 or 6 years ago.
I decided to go flat (Lambda, took em off unused wife’s bike) for a weeklong 
tour on my Waterford “Atlantis” build.  With spd’s the ball of your foot is on 
top of pedal spindle.  Flat, the arch of your foot is on top of the spindle.  
Less leg extension, so lower your saddle, there is more toe overlap and finally 
slightly different muscles are used.   I trained with the same set up on my 
road bike, when riding with the ‘‘fast” group.  Lo & behold just as efficient.  
   I won’t ditch my spd shoes & pedals. I got em I’ll use em.


From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of SallyG
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2023 4:12 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] "Grant hates toe clips."

As always, I'm learning lots from the conversation! Thank you, always a 
pleasure.

To add my non-technical two cents:

I used to ride with toe clips/leather straps. They have (probably) saved my 
life...and also caused me harm. Riding my second-hand Raleigh Gran Sport fast 
down a steep grade in the southern Alps (NZ), I hit a big pothole with my front 
tire. I was thrown off my seat and over the handlebars...held back by the one 
foot that remained in a toe clip. So thankful for that! On the other hand, one 
day back in Calif., starting off uphill, I ungracefully keeled over and 
fractured my elbow. Then had to drive a stick-shift car to the hospital for 
x-rays...

My (still new-ish) Clem is my first bike without pedal retention and I feel 
kind of like a kid again, just having fun. But I can't say I don't sometimes 
think of 531 Reynolds and the things that go with it!



On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 12:51:51 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
Nice Patrick !   Perfect body position, for me and he, apparently !
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 3:29:08 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
You must be the forgotten heir of Alexi Grewal who notoriously rode a Clark 
Kent frame with hugely steep seat tube to get comfortable and powerful.

[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/a1778759b322e/image.png?part=0.1=1]

[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/a1778759b322e/image.png?part=0.2=1]

Patrick Moore, who feels the power and likes the bend to the hooks with saddle 
slammed all the way back on a 73* seat tube with highish offset DA post.

On Mon, Dec 25, 2023 at 1:23 PM Garth 
mailto:gart...@gmail.com>> wrote:
No retention at all for me for that last 20 some years. Since my feet are 
positioned more midfoot and the pedals have good pins to grip Altra Lone 
Peaks(w/150mm cranks), I have no need for anything else. I have no pins on the 
other side and the even then my feet stay in place from feel. .Since moving my 
saddle all the way forward I find my pedaling has become even more 
effective/efficient. Torque + pedal speed = vroom sensation = FUN !  I think 
I'm going to get a zero setback post to try as I'm close to the limit on the 
Cobb saddle with a Ritchey 25mm setback post. As the foot is placed more 
midfoot, I feel much more "planted" to the cranks from my trunk/core. Now that 
I'm going more forward of the BB, I find an aero position more comfortable, and 
now feet are more angled forward/down than before. Picture the classic 
Roadrunner cartoon where at full speed and side angle, the RR's head is forward 
of the feet, the entire body is leaning forward, and the RR is just chillin' 
doing it. The more forward I am of the BB, I'm pushing more back with my entire 
body to the wheel/chainstays, rather than pushing down or forward with my body 
further back of the BB. It's also less strenuous on everything, go figure. So 
now I'm in complete rethink of frame design, I could use a much steeper seat 
tube angle, 73.5-74 ish. This isn't stuff anyone can teach, other than 
encouraging the exploration/creativity to find your way as to what works and 
what doesn't.
On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 1:34:13 PM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:
I just remembered I also used Power Grips which was a nice combination of foot 
retention and normal shoes. The one downside to power grips was that they 
needed to be adjusted for shoes that were materially different in size from the 
shoes used to set up the straps. Chuck Taylor’s vs hiking boots for example. I 
set mine up a bit loose for Chuck’s which worked for most of the shoes I used 
with the Power Grips.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:08 PM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:

The first bike I bought for myself was a mid 80’s Schwinn Sierra and I rode 
that to commute to work and school. Once I added a road bike (Nishiki Prestige) 

[RBW] https://austin.craigslist.org/bik/d/austin-54cm-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7699730411.htmlv

[Bernard Duhon]

54cm Rivendell Joe APPALOOSA frameset - bicycles - by owner - bike sale - 
craigslist

Looks good

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB549165EA4C5C9EE09B06F913CD95A%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: PSA: Store Cycling has a huge assortment of bicycle items on sale

[Bernard Duhon]

Speaking of scams
I “thought” I purchased a stem from Sunlight site.  Turned out to go to an 
person‘s name with a monthly payment to him in the amount of the stem.
Caught it right away & paypal stopped it.  But a lot of trouble to clear up .

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Josh (BertoBerg)
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 7:53 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: PSA: Store Cycling has a huge assortment of bicycle items on 
sale

It’s a scam. Their listed address is a Marshall’s.

Josh
BI,WA
On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 5:40:41 AM UTC-8 
krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
Could this be a scam ?
I was suggested that it could very well be.

Kim Hetzel.

On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 5:12:38 AM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:
I came across this site based out of Manhattan, Kansas while looking for a 
Brooks saddle.
There are a lot of their stuff is on sale. It is worth your time.

Check them out:
https://www.store-cycling.com/

Kim Hetzel.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/aadce5d9-fe4b-4776-b393-0e3c25baf727n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54915A5BD0D7E5A3444EE34CCD92A%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: Clean, don't toss, your dull German mirror

[Bernard Duhon]

Ditto, on the baking soda
I tried last nite & worked like a miracle.

Regular car wax did not to the trick.

Yours sincerely,



From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Doug H.
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 9:05 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Clean, don't toss, your dull German mirror

Baking soda and water does the trick on mirrors! My German mirror is the best 
I've used and I feel safer riding with it. I'm not sure of the size or sourcing 
of that little brass screw but maybe see if the folks at Rivendell can help you 
out.
Doug
On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:05:52 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
Over the years, these dull.  I always thought they pitted and the lack of 
clarity was too much for me.  I'd toss them and buy more.  At $30 a pop, it was 
a bit much, but I like the low profile of the mirror.

I went to Riv's web site to get another, saw this, tried the baking soda with 
water suggestion and now the mirror reflects as good as new!

>From Riv's site:  " After a couple years the mirror might dull a bit, but can 
>be brought back to life by scrubbing it with baking soda and water, or 
>toothpaste."

Roberta

PS If anyone knows the size of this housing screw or has an extra one, I'd like 
to know the size or buy the screw.


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c85e8028-4701-45e7-989d-d109af9a8faan%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB549179B0E8649B8431E43D7ECD8EA%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: Gunnar Crosshairs

[Bernard Duhon]

What do you think are the maximum tire size
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of John Bokman
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2023 1:15 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Gunnar Crosshairs

Gorgeous. Thanks for posting. What's your gear range if I may ask? What brakes 
are you using?

John
On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 9:23:34 AM UTC-8 exliontamer wrote:
Got this built up & just wanted to share. I was looking for a Roadini but this 
happened to pop up in my size & the price was too good to resist. Can't speak 
highly enough about it. Wish I liked the Gunnar "Star Wars" logo more but 
that's my only complaint. Very happy to have a tiny piece of Waterford history.
[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/14da8e1f2094a/IMG_5103.jpg?part=0.1=1]
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/291bfd05-bb56-4b30-ae91-6b02e07090b2n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB549158FC52F45164BA107573CDBCA%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: short brake pads on v brakes

[Bernard Duhon]

Now that is a fair warning

Thanks
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brian McDermott
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2023 8:23 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: short brake pads on v brakes

I have, they suck. They are supposed to be a plug and play install, no toe-in. 
They accomplish the desired purpose of not having to deflate the tire to remove 
the wheel, but I couldn't get them to not squeal or vibrate to the point that 
my headlight was cutting out. I tried sanding them, and even gently took some 
sandpaper to my brake track, which worked for about five brakings then it went 
right back to squealing like a banshee. Frustratingly just put my stock pads 
back on and deal with letting out air when the wheel needs to be removed.
On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 8:58:40 PM UTC-5 
ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:


Has anyone tried these short brake pads on v brakes
Sanity Brake Pads: Stubby V-Brake Pads that don’t make you deflate you – 
Rivendell Bicycle Works 
(rivbike.com)
They are supposed to allow removal of wheel without deflating tire, without 
affecting braking power


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/394232C6-650E-454E-8763-5E9AE9089E2F%40gmail.com.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f04d9b4e-460b-4e5b-bd33-e792ccf816b3n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491762A2298B33BDA806BF6CDBEA%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] wtb (2) Tallux or equilivant

[Bernard Duhon]

Need 2 Tallux stems 24.5 or equilivant with shims.
Newer & uglier threaded stems that provide 80-100mm reach with 90-110 degree 
rise will do.
1 Silver  & 1 black preferred but not a deal killer.

Thanks folks








-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491EE9EF8C0AECDEA1C1D38CDBFA%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] re: short brake pads on v brakes

[Bernard Duhon]

Has anyone tried these short brake pads on v brakes
Sanity Brake Pads: Stubby V-Brake Pads that don’t make you deflate you – 
Rivendell Bicycle Works 
(rivbike.com)
They are supposed to allow removal of wheel without deflating tire, without 
affecting braking power


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/394232C6-650E-454E-8763-5E9AE9089E2F%40gmail.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491CFCEA3F73E3192915A80CDBBA%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: New Member New Riv

[Bernard Duhon]

If you have short chain stays (47mm) & a kickstand plate, the plate  it will 
prevent the Spring thing from working.
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Wesley
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:25 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: New Member New Riv

I've used the retainer nuts I save from old Presta inner tubes as the spacers 
for getting a clean, consistent gap when mounting a rear fender. Works great.
-Wes
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 6:18:46 AM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:
Looks great! If you find yourself wanting to snug up the rear fender line, V/O 
has a simple kit to do that (you could also get the parts from a hardware 
store).

https://velo-orange.com/collections/fender-parts/products/spring-thing

Best,
Scott

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 11:19:47 AM UTC-4 jim.me...@gmail.com wrote:
[https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/4b9cbb282801f/WIN_20231025_10_45_26_Pro.jpg?part=0.2=1][https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/attach/4b9cbb282801f/WIN_20231025_10_41_35_Pro.jpg?part=0.1=1]
My Joe is finally finished. I plan to tape the bar after the cockpit is dialed 
in. I did have a vintage XTR front mech, but it was a top pull and did not 
work. Other than that the bike is fantastic. Well - the vintage Wright saddle, 
given to me by a neighbor cleaning out his garage, is not great, but I will 
give it some time to break in.  This is the first bike I have ridden in years 
that is not clip in, and I am impressed with the grip of the MKS pedals. The 
IRD brake levers are a joy to operate. Also loving the dynamo and not having to 
worry about charging. This bike is my around town ride.
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:11:46 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Welcome Jim! I also bought one of the recent Appaloosas. I went with Purple and 
Marks build option. Im glad to hear you’ve received yours as I’m eagerly 
awaiting mine. Make sure to share a pic once it’s built up.
On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 1:53:32 AM UTC-4 
jim.me...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi this is my first post. My lime green Appaloosa arrived last week and I am 
looking forward to getting it built and ridden. I plan to use is as my commuter 
rig.
Jim
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fe01567c-e595-47d8-b66b-d150227e3a54n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB54911EDEFB062189A5BCC5BBCDDDA%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Ceramic coating the paint

[Bernard Duhon]

My Waterford, “Atlantis “ build, paint is very “chippy”
Thanks to touch up from auto part store’s close match.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Patrick Moore
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 7:30 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Ceramic coating the paint

What is ceramic coating for paint? I've never heard of it.

My first Riv, a Waterford custom, had chippy paint but all the rest, including 
Sam and Ram had much more durable paint. Do others find that current Riv paint 
jobs chip easily?

Patrick "all my bikes are powdercoated now" Moore

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 9:45 PM John S 
mailto:stro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
In the recent 'Who's getting a Platypus tomorrow?' thread, one list member 
mentioned "ceramic coating the paint before building [the bike] up."

I'm very interested to hear more about ceramic coating from the group's 
collective experience and wisdom. My one major frustration with my Rivendells 
has been the fragility of the paint (my AHH is acquiring "beausage" at an 
alarming rate compared with my other bikes); I'd love if there were a way to 
reduce chipping and maintain the beauty of the original paint for longer.

Many thanks in advance for sharing your insights and experiences.

John


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/cb49009c-427c-4990-af12-9e0ce1869b8dn%40googlegroups.com.


--
-
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
-
Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing services.
-
When thou didst not, savage,
Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like
A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes
With words that made them known.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgu4GOLMRyurd%3DnGutSvAnSiqbDNTLaRUoVyYJ8HE%2B81XA%40mail.gmail.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491141423A1F2FDA200C28FCDDDA%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Bernard Duhon]

Careful with offset brake pad’s
If tires are wide pad my rub on tire




Get Outlook for iOS

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Toshi Takeuchi 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 12:02:58 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

I concur with Evan.  I had a 54 cm 650b Ram with 54 mm Hetre/Baby Shoe Pass 
tires and SKS fenders.  It was as good as my custom bike, except for the toe 
overlap and dynamo wiring. I used thin profile V-brake style pads to get a 
little extra reach with the Tektro R559.  That strategy may be able to be 
combined with the offset brake-pad holders if needed.

Toshi


On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 9:16 AM Evan E. 
mailto:evanellio...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Alex,

Here for your reference is a photo of my Rambouillet with 650b wheels, Tektro 
R559 brakes, and Pari-Moto 650b x 42 tires. I used offset brake-pad holders on 
the rear caliper to get a tad more reach. If it turns out you need a bit more 
reach on your bike, let me know. I still have those offset brake-pad holders.

Evan
San Francisco



--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f9769df2-3b01-4616-8036-b25209c1009an%40googlegroups.com.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAGB59xxyAHSM%2BbuB%3DeKo84iqT%3DUUKSG2J42OQ7HvewE7Ck0k2A%40mail.gmail.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491A85F7CD0E079D20D4168CDDEA%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] How do you fix your leather saddle creaks and squeaks?

[Bernard Duhon]

I have had this problem

Before you do all this “mechanical” stuff, try “Magic incantations”. They work 
just as well.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brian Turner
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2023 9:01 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] How do you fix your leather saddle creaks and squeaks?

At some point this week, my new (to me) Atlantis developed a creak whenever I 
pedaled. While standing and cranking, nothing... so saddle or seatpost, right? 
The Brooks B17 I have on it is very old and broken in, and it has never creaked 
before, but I decided to take it off, greased the rails, a few drops of 
Tenacious Oil on the metal bits, cleaned and greased the seatpost and clamp, 
cleaned out the seat tube with this long brush that I have (think, long 
flexible bottle brush). Took it for a test ride, and the creak was still there.

So, now I proceed to deep dive into this. Remove and regrease the pedals. 
Pulled cranks and cleaned the chainrings. Replaced the rusty chainring bolts. 
Greased spindles and crank bolts. I didn't really want to remove the BB - even 
though that was a likely culprit - but I left it alone. New chain installed. 
Tightened fender I have had this problem stays. Checked cable housing and 
stops. Greased QR skewers. Test ride again. Creak still there, and maybe worse. 
Damn it! Why didn't I just pull the BB while I had all that disassem


bled??

After all this, I suddenly remembered that I had an extra saddle in my parts 
bin. I felt stupid for not putting this saddle on first thing to test my 
initial theory. Sure enough, test ride proved NO CREAKING. A-ha! I'm an idiot.

So, now to go full-on assault with this saddle creak. I flipped it over and 
dabbed globs of Obenauf's around all the places where the metal undercarraige 
meets the leather. Then, I took a heat gun (on low setting) and melted the 
Obenauf's to let it ooze down into all those nooks and crannies. I've never 
tried this approach before, but it seemed like an idea that could possibly work 
well - for a while at least. Sure enough, it took care of the creak. We'll see 
how long it holds up.

Do you have a good creak, or creaky saddle story? How did you take care of it?
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1b8bcce2-c189-4aa8-bfbd-eec9fd2e8f79n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491A673169B2B626288CFA6CDDBA%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] aluminum V steel rear rack

[Bernard Duhon]

Folks,
I outfitted my Waterford Tourer with aluminum rear rack .

Load was like 20 pd rear 12 pd front.  Mostly good roads w/ a little gravel for 
a week

I found it handled well.

I have an Indy Fab sport tourer converted to 650b.  I am thinking that aluminum 
  might work.
Anticipate 1 week of same touring.

What say ye?

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB549129EAC71356BDAA86D7BECDD7A%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] FS- A lot of random stuff, Brompton, camping, tenkara,

[Bernard Duhon]

Nice Stash

what are the frame bag’s dimensions?
Are you in the US?
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Drw
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2023 3:56 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] FS- A lot of random stuff, Brompton, camping, tenkara,

Had this stuff kicking around the garage and need it gone. All prices do not 
include shipping. Pick up in Los angeles is totally welcome. Photos 
here.
Thanks for looking,
Drew

Yuba take off stuff- selling all together 65$ plus shipping
all came off of a 2023 yuba kombi and are essentially new. not the lightest or 
fanciest stuff, but clean and serviceable.
-handlebars with adjustable threadless stem and grips
-Crank with 42t chainring, bashguard and plastic pedals
-Saddle

Brompton take off stuff- selling all together for 150$ or a la carte below
all came off of a 2022 brompton and are essentially new
-M/H handlebars with brompton grips- 30$ plus shipping
-Brompton standard saddle- 20$ plus shipping
-Brompton rear rack with rear fender and ez wheels- 120$ plus shipping
-EZ wheel upgrade wheels. Bigger/wider and with bearings- 20$ plus shipping

Velo Orange happy stem. threadless, 90mm, 31.8, black. mounted but never used.- 
35$ plus shipping
Sunrace 9 speed cassette- 11-40t excellent condition-15$ plus shipping
31.8 seatpost clamp- free with any purchase
Microshift front derailler- bottom pull. comes with a 31.8 clamp but it is 
interchangeable- 15$ plus shipping
Gyes leather saddle- wide-ish- 20$ plus shipping
20 in tubes-1.75-2.125- 5 of them- 15$ plus shipping
Battery light and click bell- free with any purchase

Agu venture frame bag- unused- 20$ plus shipping
Dill pickle u-lock holder- free with any purchase

Thermarest sit pad- 15$ plus shipping
Six moon designs lunar solo shelter- seam sealed- used once in my backyard- 
200$ plus shipping (does not include stakes or trekking pole. 295$ new)
Reyr Tiny cast tenkara- Used a couple of times. comes with line, leader, sleeve 
and replacement tip section. integrated line holder. really awesome ultralight 
fishing setup. 100$ plus shipping
Stainless camping pan, plate and pot stand for alcohol stoves- free with any 
purchase

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/eafff499-fb93-4641-b725-343d45285407n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SA1PR17MB5491E6D7EE260DD6EC8DE4A0CDD7A%40SA1PR17MB5491.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Rear rack for sport touring bike

[Bernard Duhon]

Thanks I am looking for a rack that allows a lower mounting that I can also use 
on my “real” touring bike with heavier loads.  Tubus has several models I am 
evaluating.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Patrick Moore
Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2023 7:32 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Rear rack for sport touring bike

The Tubus Fly at 420 grams and rated for 18 kg. I used them for years with no 
problems under 30 to 40 lb rear loads on road bikes.

On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 12:38 PM Bernard Duhon 
mailto:bern...@bernardduhon.com>> wrote:


Planning a tour on my Sport touring bike.  98mm wheel base42.5 chain stay 
length
Under 30 pounds split 10 pd front & 20 pd rear

Need brain trust to recommend a rear rack.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SJ0PR17MB54933F9E8D9F97410F4F623BCDC8A%40SJ0PR17MB5493.namprd17.prod.outlook.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SJ0PR17MB54933F9E8D9F97410F4F623BCDC8A%40SJ0PR17MB5493.namprd17.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.


--
-
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
-
Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing services.
-
When thou didst not, savage,
Know thine own meaning, but wouldst gabble like
A thing most brutish, I endowed thy purposes
With words that made them known.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgu1aVUG4-CB-ABiEkUPq0mY5qWODCk%2BRUt%2Bkp1Y1xRpiA%40mail.gmail.com<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgu1aVUG4-CB-ABiEkUPq0mY5qWODCk%2BRUt%2Bkp1Y1xRpiA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SJ0PR17MB5493B3E07D4B91F589A896F1CDCEA%40SJ0PR17MB5493.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

[RBW] Rear rack for sport touring bike

[Bernard Duhon]

Planning a tour on my Sport touring bike.  98mm wheel base42.5 chain stay 
length
Under 30 pounds split 10 pd front & 20 pd rear

Need brain trust to recommend a rear rack.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/SJ0PR17MB54933F9E8D9F97410F4F623BCDC8A%40SJ0PR17MB5493.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride Report - Impromptu Ride /w Grant

[Bernard Duhon]

I often wondered what it would be like to take a ride with him (them). A 
metaphysical experience? :)

I will be humbled and ground into the dirt.
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Josh C
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 4:42 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Ride Report - Impromptu Ride /w Grant

Great post. Thanks for sharing. Sounds like a nice experience.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 5:08:37 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
That's just sensational.  You'll remember that day forever!

BL in EC
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:40:39 PM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:
Hey All,

I wanted to share a special ride report from this past Saturday.

Originally, my wife and I planned to hop on BART from West Oakland and travel 
to Walnut Creek to visit the Riv HQ, followed by a quick ride around Shell 
Ridge. I've been to the showroom a handful of times to pick some odds and ends, 
but my wife has never been.

She currently rides a Clem H in "Barf Green" as she calls it (ha!) that I 
sourced for her from a fellow bay area Riv rider. It's an amazing bike, but as 
she didn't pick it, it's never truly been hers. I was excited for her to try 
out a few bikes and finally find her one true steed.

We arrived to find Grant in the showroom, helping another person find their PBH 
size. Before long, my Wife and Grant were deep in conversation about what type 
of bike she was looking for, and she hopped on a Platypus, Homer (the new gold 
ones look amazing in person btw), Proto Charlie, amongst others. She 
immediately fell in love with the Homer and was zipping around the compound 
with a huge smile on her face. While she did that, I nerded out with James, 
checking out his Homer and Atlantis.

Intermittently, Grant, James, and Riv Friend Dan, gushed about the color of her 
frame, how unique the color was and how beautiful it was in the light (all 
things I also thought when I scored the bike for her). For context, my wife is 
obsessed with getting a yellow or orange bike, and nothing else will please her 
:) Grant conceded to her that yes, one should have a bike in a color that makes 
them love it, and so it in was in friendly jest that for the rest of our time 
together Grant kept talking up her "barf green" Clem. I thought it was 
hilarious.

After an hour or so, we said that we'd come back another day to hammer out the 
details on a build, and that we were off to Shell Ridge to ride some trails. I 
confessed that we'd never been out there before and James let me take a photo 
of a map they had on hand to get there.

We set off, only to find both Grant (on his light blue Clem) and Dan (on his 
army green Gus) waiting near the start of the trailhead!

They graciously offered to show us around (though were careful to give us the 
option to get a few pointers and continue on with our date ride). Obviously, we 
were more that elated to have Grant and Dan lead us on our first ride in Riv's 
backyard. How cool is that??

So we were off! Grant and Dan tested our chops a bit through some light trails, 
and eventually we came up to a fork in the road. Grant and Dan gave each other 
a look and after a moment Grant said "well, you two look like you can handle 
yourselves, so let's try some singletrack, it'll be fun!"

Full disclosure: my Wife and I are pretty avid cyclists, though we spend most 
of our time on easier fire trails and pavement in the urban jungle of Oakland. 
So... our experience on singletrack and trails in general isn't the greatest. 
But when Grant says ride, you most certainly follow. I also felt comfortable 
knowing we had them around. I must also admit that I've never really taken my 
Clem L on this kind of terrain, so there was a lot of learning to do.

What followed was an amazing jaunt around Shell Ridge. I fell at least twice, 
but there was no shame to be had. Dan shared that on his first ride with Grant 
in Shell Ridge, he fell off his bike and slid 50ft down the side of a hill 
which scored some laughs all around.

As we went along, both Dan and Grant gave me some tips on how to ride the 
terrain and by the second half I was having the time of my life. The biggest 
thing I learned was to trust the long-wheel base, and pedal, pedal, pedal. It 
took a bit of courage to do, but once I got the hang of it I was amazed at how, 
yes, you really can pedal through those moments of doubt and come away smiling. 
I'll never forget it. I was also in awe of how skillfully both Grant and Dan 
rode the terrain, they're incredibly skillful but are never in your face about 
it.

Along the way, we had great conversations about not just bikes, but life. I 
asked Grant if he was going to celebrate Riv's 30th anniversary next year to 
which he yelled "NO!" (though I suspect people will celebrate him and the team 
anyway) and in turn, he asked us about our lives, our interests, our hobbies, 
etc. It was great to hear about his philosophy on life, on bikes and everything 
in between. We joked about 

RE: [RBW] PDW Safety Tabs

[Bernard Duhon]

I was saved on a communte by SKS “Breakaway” fenders.  I somehow kicked up a 
small log into my rear wheel. & came to a controled stop.  Didn’t even break a 
spoke.

So when I went to aluminum fenders for looks I got these and tabs.  They make 
plenty of sense.

BTW if you cut your fender stays too short these make up the difference.

Not that I would ever do such a thing






From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 8:28 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] PDW Safety Tabs

As a semi-fanatical fender freak (aluminum please!) who advocates their use for 
nearly any and all bikes, I feel obliged to share that after rolling over 
several thousand miles of gravel forest service roads my tire kicked an 
unidentified object up into the front fender while at speed. It was probably a 
short but stout stick.

When I installed a set of PDW Safety Tabs on my Ritchey a few months ago I 
figured they worked as a sacrificial break away item in the event that an 
object wedges between the tire and the fender.  What I discovered is that they 
employ a barbed plastic head that pops free of the metal tab they are inserted 
into. Indeed, I heard a loud POP when this occurred - followed by the sound of 
the fender rubbing as it dangled from the opposite, still intact stay. After 
straightening the slightly bent stay I was able to pop the tab back together 
and continue my ride.

Would I have been launched over the bars by a seized front wheel had I not 
installed the safety tabs? I don't know...and it's not a thing I care to 
experiment with.

Of course, SKS fenders come standard with safety mounting tabs - but for anyone 
running metal fenders that lack a safety tab, I can attest they are well worth 
the few dollars they cost.

I'm curious if anyone else has had this sort of 
experience.[cid:image001.jpg@01D9E891.FBA53330]
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/f062503b-2b3f-40ce-88d9-7c228f82f52dn%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/PH0PR17MB550487AA401D0860991830FCCDF5A%40PH0PR17MB5504.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

[Bernard Duhon]

Burley recommends 20 months for their child trailer that’s very conservative 
but the doting grandmother insisted so we did. After they grew out of it the 
trailer Was and is and excellent grocery and whatever hauler
it have passed it around and is back at my house waiting for great grandchildren

Get Outlook for iOS

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Ted W 
Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2023 7:21:53 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Babies on bikes

> We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides

Do you have one of the covers for the passengers? I’ve seen some with these and 
it seems like a really neat option. I’ve been considering a cargo bike but I’m 
worried about the size of the bike making it tricky to park. I already have 
trouble navigating my Gus through the office elevator when I ride it to work.

On Sat, Sep 2, 2023 at 10:12 AM 'j glenn' via RBW Owners Bunch 
mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:


  *   I didn't get back into riding till my kid was at least 2, but I would 
highly recommend  a high quality solo trailer. We had a Burley Bee.  The 
trailer provided a safe roll cage around the kid and didn't effect the bikes 
handing so I could get some real fitness riding in on a 20 mile 3 playground 
tour.   We used it for longer rides untill he out grew it.The biggest 
advantage to the trailer was the environmental shelter it gave.  The mesh gover 
protected from sun an bugs and the plastic cover from cold and rain.  We went 
out in all weather, including out in the snow with studded tires.
  *   We're riding a Big Dummy now, but it's less used for long rides, as it's 
less comfortable and not as suitable for "wake me up when we get there".  The 
back deck is better for standing up and surfing on though.  I have installed 
Quadrophonic scooters mirrors.

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 8:18:16 AM UTC-4 
ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
My son is about to turn one and I’ve had him in a rear mounted Thule kids seat 
since he was about 8 months old. Before that, I played around with mounting his 
car seat base to the metal frame of one of those side-by-side kid trailers. I 
only ever used it twice, though, before he was old enough to be in the rear 
seat.

You’re not really supposed to mount car seats to those trailers, but I was able 
to fabricate a mount that let the base mount the same way it does in the car, 
allowing the carrier to clip in the same way as it would in the car. Combined 
with the “roll cage” design of the trailer, I felt comfortable using it for 
quick rides to the neighborhood park, less than a mile away.

The conventional wisdom I’ve heard is that you need to wait until they can hold 
their head up well with their helmet on. That was technically 7 months for us, 
but I waited until he was a little bigger and the helmet gift him better.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 11:31 PM Michael Baquerizo  wrote:
it might not just be research but also law. you should check in your area.

i started when we were allowed to, i think still before 1 YO. we used a yepp 
maxi because i didn’t want to have to buy a mini and then a maxi after he grew 
out of it. but i regretted not being able to have him in the front with me.

fast forward a few years and i helped a friend install a mini on his bike w 
swept back bars. it was impossible to ride around with, and there wasn’t even a 
kid on it when i tried. turning was impossible. i’m sure there’s an ideal setup 
for it like a rosco bebbe) but a ‘normal’ bike is not it

i still use the yepp maxi on a nitto campee rear rack, for sure not rated for 
his weight and it’s about time i switch out racks for something beefier.

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:58:35 PM UTC-4 Kushan wrote:
Looking for wisdom and advice from the Riv community on riding bikes with 
babies on them. At what age did you start? What seats, trailers, etc did you 
use? Where did you ride?

My little one just turned 6 months old and I am itching to introduce him to 
bike rides. He can sit on his own and does pretty well in carriers (both facing 
in and out). He loves being outside and I would love to do a ride with him on a 
car-free bike paths or (non-technical) dirt trails. Most online resources 
recommend biking with babies after 1 year of age but I am not sure if that's 
based on any actual research.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/23100a0d-6d3f-4bed-b5f4-b5083cca6a1fn%40googlegroups.com.

--
You 

RE: [RBW] Re: Alternatives to Snoqualmie Pass?

[Bernard Duhon]

Bernard F. Duhon














Ditto on only 1500 miles on the Renée hearse Extralights

However I have the endurance plus and they seem to be holding up well though 
only a few hundred miles on them




From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Josh (BertoBerg)
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2023 9:55 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Alternatives to Snoqualmie Pass?

Ted (and All)-

I don't think I've ever gotten more than 1500 miles out of a set of 
Extralights. By the that time the rear tire is usually slick and both tires 
have several tread slashes in them.

I've had a lot of luck with the Barlow Passes (running tubeless) in standard 
casing however.

-Josh
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e5f4ff2f-df36-47cc-add2-84602f3707d3n%40googlegroups.com.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/MW4PR17MB5500632EEF662A2CCB1398DFCD1BA%40MW4PR17MB5500.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.