Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadini or hang on to Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

Thanks all for the feedback. I’ve taken a little from each response to help 
weigh my decision. I ultimately decided to keep the Sam. It came down to the 
fact that I see the Sam as being a little more versatile and adaptable as my 
riding style changes. Whether the desire to change is driven by curiosity or 
physical adjustments as I age I know the Sam will have me covered. The process 
of exploring this decision opened my eyes and caused me to really think about 
the riding that I like to do. I think seeing all the photos of cool Roadini 
builds online have me a false notion that I wanted to return to being a Lycra 
clad racer type. The reality is that I don’t want to return to that way of 
riding. The Sam is a great bike and will be exactly the bike that I currently 
want and need. It’s comfortable, efficient and capable on many road surfaces. 
I’ll be sure to post photos when I have it built back up again.

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[RBW] Re: New Roadini or hang on to Sam

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It's a 62 2TT

On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 8:06:27 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> For the sake of someone I know who may want a Sam - what size?
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 7:40:04 PM UTC-5, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Hello friends, I'm looking to do a road bike build and I am having 
>> trouble deciding between keeping the Sam Hillborne frameset that I already 
>> own or go in an entirely different direction starting from scratch with a 
>> new Roadini frameset. I purchased the drop bar Sam as a complete in 2016. 
>> This was my first Riv and I completely embraced the Rivendell philosophy of 
>> "just ride". That drop bar Sam eventually morphed into an upright Albatross 
>> set up. I got away from the drop bars because I wanted to try upright 
>> riding to gain maximum comfort. This setup eventually became my S240 bike 
>> and I became much more interested in riding with a heavy touring load. As 
>> my interest in camping and touring grew I decided that I wanted a dedicated 
>> tourer so I picked up an Appaloosa frame and swapped most of the parts over 
>> from the Sam.  The Sam frameset is currently sitting in my basement. 
>>
>> I have decided that my riding would be best served by having two 
>> different bike setups. I want to keep the Appaloosa for camping, touring, 
>> grocery getting, commuting and casual riding with the Mrs. I want a second 
>> bike to be a dedicated drop bar road bike that is unencumbered with racks 
>> and large bags. I am thinking about building the Sam back up as a 
>> traditional sporty road bike with a compact double crankset, the noodle 
>> bars that I already own along with JB 33.'s and fenders. I want this 
>> bike to be my relatively fast bike that I ride when I am looking to go out 
>> and get a quick ride for pure recreation and fitness. I may even be 
>> ambitious enough to go do a group ride with my old riding buddies from back 
>> in my racer wannabe days. Lately, the Roadini has been the object of my 
>> desire. I am thinking that if I get back into riding on the road in a 
>> typical club rider fashion that I would be better served by having a more 
>> traditional road bike like the Roadini. My vision for a Roadini would be to 
>> build it up in a retro style with downtube shifters, Noodles, Sugino 
>> compact double and 28 to 33mm tires. 
>>
>> I think my desire for the Roadini is mostly driven by new bike lust. I 
>> feel like I am constantly chasing that feeling you get when you buy a new 
>> bike. The reality is what I have found through the years and many bike 
>> purchases later is that "new bike day" euphoria typically fades fades and I 
>> ended up chasing that feeling again with something else. I know that you 
>> guys are not my therapist but can anybody share their thoughts on what 
>> decision to make? Should I keep the Sam  and reinvent it as a sporty road 
>> bike or should I take the plunge and go for a new Roadini to satisfy my 
>> sporty road bike urge?
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] New Roadini or hang on to Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

Hello friends, I'm looking to do a road bike build and I am having trouble 
deciding between keeping the Sam Hillborne frameset that I already own or 
go in an entirely different direction starting from scratch with a new 
Roadini frameset. I purchased the drop bar Sam as a complete in 2016. This 
was my first Riv and I completely embraced the Rivendell philosophy of 
"just ride". That drop bar Sam eventually morphed into an upright Albatross 
set up. I got away from the drop bars because I wanted to try upright 
riding to gain maximum comfort. This setup eventually became my S240 bike 
and I became much more interested in riding with a heavy touring load. As 
my interest in camping and touring grew I decided that I wanted a dedicated 
tourer so I picked up an Appaloosa frame and swapped most of the parts over 
from the Sam.  The Sam frameset is currently sitting in my basement. 

I have decided that my riding would be best served by having two different 
bike setups. I want to keep the Appaloosa for camping, touring, grocery 
getting, commuting and casual riding with the Mrs. I want a second bike to 
be a dedicated drop bar road bike that is unencumbered with racks and large 
bags. I am thinking about building the Sam back up as a traditional sporty 
road bike with a compact double crankset, the noodle bars that I already 
own along with JB 33.'s and fenders. I want this bike to be my 
relatively fast bike that I ride when I am looking to go out and get a 
quick ride for pure recreation and fitness. I may even be ambitious enough 
to go do a group ride with my old riding buddies from back in my racer 
wannabe days. Lately, the Roadini has been the object of my desire. I am 
thinking that if I get back into riding on the road in a typical club rider 
fashion that I would be better served by having a more traditional road 
bike like the Roadini. My vision for a Roadini would be to build it up in a 
retro style with downtube shifters, Noodles, Sugino compact double and 28 
to 33mm tires. 

I think my desire for the Roadini is mostly driven by new bike lust. I feel 
like I am constantly chasing that feeling you get when you buy a new bike. 
The reality is what I have found through the years and many bike purchases 
later is that "new bike day" euphoria typically fades fades and I ended up 
chasing that feeling again with something else. I know that you guys are 
not my therapist but can anybody share their thoughts on what decision to 
make? Should I keep the Sam  and reinvent it as a sporty road bike or 
should I take the plunge and go for a new Roadini to satisfy my sporty road 
bike urge?


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[RBW] Silver Downtube Shifters

[Broccoli Cog]

Could the Silver shifters be removed from the bar end pods and used on a 
downtube boss? They look like the same thing without the pods but I am not 
sure. Can anyone confirm or deny that these can be used interchangeably?

Thanks!

Tim

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[RBW] Re: FS: S!LVER double crank with guard

[Broccoli Cog]

Darn I wish I had seen this post earlier. I'm working on converting my Sam 
into a Rando-ish bike. Looking for the same cranks. 

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:07:44 AM UTC-5, Wally Estrella wrote:
>
> NNS  -New New Stock :)
>
> For Sale: S!LVER double crank set with guard, 173s.  Got'm for a project 
> that stayed as a thought and never become reality.
>
> New, never mounted, never used, still wrapped up.  I can get pics later.
>
> $185/shipped/ContiUS.  PayPal is preferred, fees -ahhh, included in the 
> price.
>
> You won't get'm before Christmas, but can ride into the New Year with them.
>
> CHEERS!
> Wally in Maine
>

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[RBW] Re: My gift to the bunch

[Broccoli Cog]

Thank you Marty! Riv bikes head badges are so cool. I love seeing them all 
in one place!

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 9:34:07 AM UTC-5, MartyG wrote:
>
> With the introduction of the Frank Jones model, not to mention a few 
> others, I was reminded it's been two years since I updated the Rivendell 
> badge poster. As with the last iteration, I have uploaded two sizes to my 
> Flickr page where you can download and print as you like. One is 18X24, the 
> other is 9X12. Both are 300dpi so the detail should come through. Since the 
> last one I did in 2015, a few of the versions have had to go to make room 
> for the new ones. I did the best I could with available photos I found on 
> line, or that people have sent. I never get tired of looking at all these 
> great badges - a fitting legacy for the busy crew of elves in Walnut Creek. 
>
> Hope everyone has a nice holiday season and a ride-perfect new year ahead. 
>
> Marty
> Stewartstown, Pennsylvania
>
>
> 
>
>
> 18X24 file can be downloaded here:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/38299689265/in/photostream/
>
>
> And the 9X12 here:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/24315614747/in/photostream/
>

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[RBW] Re: Best Rack for a large saddlesack on a large frame?

[Broccoli Cog]

I also have a 95 pbh and ride a 62 in both a Sam and Appaloosa. The short 
answer is that I wouldn't worry too much about the height of the rack in 
relation to the bottom of the saddlebag. I have a Medium Saddlesack used 
with an R-14 rack. When I first put the bag on while empty it looked like 
it would be well above the rack. I discovered that there is some give to 
the bottom of the bag even with the plastic bottom panel in place. Once you 
load up the bag it brings the bottom closer to the rack. I zip tied mine to 
the R-14 and now it is pretty much sitting on the rack even while empty. 
Hope that makes sense. You are going to love your DTT Atlantis and I'm sure 
you already know that the Sackville bags are top notch. 

Tim

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 9:13:05 PM UTC-5, Birdman wrote:
>
> Hey bunch,
>
> I'm building up a 65cm Double TT Atlantis (yay, dream bike!).  I'd like to 
> use a large saddlesack for short tours and wonder what rack support might 
> be best for a large frame.  I was planning to use a 33R large rear rack 
> before I decided on a saddlesack, but now I wonder how well it will work 
> with the large frame, my 95 pbh, and subsequent saddle height. From 
> pictures, it looks like the saddlesack will need to attach to the saddle 
> with a rack high enough and close enough to the seat tube to support the 
> bag.  Maybe there's more wiggle room and adjustability with the R14 rack?  
> Anyway, I thought I'd tap the collective wisdom here before calling Riv 
> HQ.  Any thoughts? Am I over thinking this?
>
> Isaac
>

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[RBW] Re: Help in selecting a 700C rim for my Appaloosa

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Thanks for all the feedback! I think I'm going to go with the Cliffhangers. 
The front will be built with a dynamo hub and the rear will likely be the 
ever reliable and familiar Shimano hub. 

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 5:34:24 PM UTC-5, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hello bike friends, 
>
> I'm am planning a 700C wheel build for my Joe Appaloosa. I pretty much 
> have my heart set on Velocity rims but the question is which one. The bike 
> will primarily be ridden on the road with the occasional off road adventure 
> on mild singletrack or fire road.  I am a 175 lb rider and I at times will 
> want to carry a heavy load. Most of my riding is general riding, commuting, 
> grocery getting and the occasional bike camping trip.  What I want out of a 
> wheel is something sturdy and dependable. Something I am not afraid to be a 
> little rough on. I have narrowed my choices down to the Atlas, the Dyad or 
> the Cliffhanger. The Cliffhanger is intriguing me but I can't tell for sure 
> if it is good for rim brakes or better suited to be a disc wheel. Any 
> feedback on the rims I mentioned for the purposes described would be 
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Tim
>

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[RBW] Help in selecting a 700C rim for my Appaloosa

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Hello bike friends, 

I'm am planning a 700C wheel build for my Joe Appaloosa. I pretty much have 
my heart set on Velocity rims but the question is which one. The bike will 
primarily be ridden on the road with the occasional off road adventure on 
mild singletrack or fire road.  I am a 175 lb rider and I at times will 
want to carry a heavy load. Most of my riding is general riding, commuting, 
grocery getting and the occasional bike camping trip.  What I want out of a 
wheel is something sturdy and dependable. Something I am not afraid to be a 
little rough on. I have narrowed my choices down to the Atlas, the Dyad or 
the Cliffhanger. The Cliffhanger is intriguing me but I can't tell for sure 
if it is good for rim brakes or better suited to be a disc wheel. Any 
feedback on the rims I mentioned for the purposes described would be 
greatly appreciated.

Tim

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[RBW] Re: I’ll bite: what is a Randi Jo Pocket Tender?

[Broccoli Cog]

I will say that the pocket tender was very appealing but it came down to a want 
vs. need. That was enough hesitation to miss out. Oh well to many competing 
priorities with my Appaloosa build.

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[RBW] Re: I’ll bite: what is a Randi Jo Pocket Tender?

[Broccoli Cog]

Wow! Those didn’t take long to sell out!

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[RBW] FS CHOCO-MOOSE BAR

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Interested but on mobile. I’ll DM later this morning.

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[RBW] WTB Linear Pull Brake Set

[Broccoli Cog]

Anybody have anything that you'd like to part with? Looking for Shimano 
Deore or XT 

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[RBW] Need Advice On Lighting System

[Broccoli Cog]

Hi All, I am going to add a dyno hub lighting system to my Sam Hillborne. I 
am planning on buying all from Riv Bikes. I am going to go with the Shutter 
PV8 Hub. Any significant gains if I go with the proven Schmidt hub for more 
money? What am I missing? As far as headlights I am thinking about the B 
IQ-X or the Schmidt Edelux II. Any reason why I should buy the Schmidt over 
the IQ-X? For a taillight I am going to go with the Dyno Rack Light. 
Another thing I hope to accomplish with this setup is the ability to charge 
my iPhone while I ride. I think the hub has enough power to do so as long 
as I buy the charging adaptor. I am a complete neophyte when it comes to 
Dyno powered lights. Am I on the right track with what I am looking to buy 
or is there a better option?

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[RBW] Re: First impressions of Albatross bars

[Broccoli Cog]

I'm an Albatross convert. Once I got over my ego holding me back from accepting 
them as a more comfortable bar I was in the clear to enjoy them. I have them on 
my Sam set up with the Meisha cork grips and Newbaums tape around the curves. 
Although the cork grips look fantastic I am not so sure they are perfect. I 
rarely ride with gloves and find that the grips turn pretty slick when your 
hands start to sweat. That said the bars are great. Embrace your upright 
position and ride in comfort!

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[RBW] Re: Howdy from central Wisconsin!

[Broccoli Cog]

Hi! I too follow your Instagram account. In fact we had interacted recently 
about how awesome Sackville bags are. Welcome to the group. I think you 
will find that there are a great group of very friendly and helpful folks 
here. I am very much interested in seeing your Hunqapillar build as it 
comes together. I am pretty certain this will be my next bike. 

Tim

On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 12:06:32 AM UTC-4, MountNormal wrote:
>
> Hello to all! Thought I'd introduce myself as I'm new to the group.The 
> name is Stephen...I like long walks on the beach...no..wait..wrong intro! 
> TAKE TWO- I'm a 40 year old fella, in terms of emoloyment I work one-on-one 
> with adults with disabilities (My job is ensure that they can do their 
> job...best "job" I've ever had) and I enjoy riding bicycles! I currently 
> own a 2015 Trek 520 disc, which I have toured on, take bike camping 
> whenever I get the chance, and use as my daily commuter.  I also ride a 
> custom painted root beer Surly Ice Cream Truck which is pretty handy during 
> the Wisconsin winters (I haven't driven my car in the past 2.5 years...all 
> bikes for me nowadays) and it also has a 29+ wheel set that I slap on for 
> summer/fall riding. Bt what brings me here? I caught the Riv bug and 
> will soon be the owner of a 56 650b Hunqapillar...pretty excited to lay my 
> eyes, hands, and backside on that sucker! Anywho, just wanted to say, 
> "Howdy" to everyone. ✌

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[RBW] Makeshifter Outback Saddlebag

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Hello All, I have an almost new Makeshifter Outback Saddlebag up for grabs. 
I purchased this new back in June and used it only a handful of times. It 
is in excellent condition. The workmanship on this bag is impeccable and it 
looks amazing. I just was looking for something with a little more capacity 
and this one didn't suit my needs. I am asking $175 shipped which is $90 of 
the retail price. I'd ask that the $175 be net to me via PayPal using F 
or pay a little extra to cover the PP fees. A link to more info can be 
found here: 

Makeshifter 


Link to actual photos of the bag can be found here: 

My photos 


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[RBW] Re: D2R2 2017

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Had such a great time at the D2R2 although I was bummed I didn't get a 
chance to meet up with too many people. I met up with John who I can't 
remember his user name on the group but he had a really nice Sam with 650b 
wheels. I did see one blue Appaloosa on the ride at the lunch stop but 
never did see the owner. First time I saw one in the wild and it was a 
really great looking bike. I had so many complements on my Sam during the 
ride. I was a little surprised as to how much attention it got. I mostly 
suffered alone and at times I was ready to be done but I am proud to say 
that I rode everything without walking some of steeper climbs.  Let's just 
say I was thankful to have a triple! All in all it was a great event. Next 
time I am going to make it a point to find more fellow Riv owners. 

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 10:50:59 PM UTC-4, Peter H wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Anyone heading to the D2R2 this year?
>
> Sounds/looks like a great ride and a fun mellow weekend. 
>
> I'm thinking of heading up and trying to decide on bringing the whole 
> family, anyone on the list bring kids before?
>
> -Peter
>
>

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[RBW] Re: D2R2 2017

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Great Mark! I'll keep an eye out for you. I'm on a light blue 2TT Sam. 
Albatross bars, Wald 137 w/Swift bag and a tan X-Small saddlesack 

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[RBW] Re: New Medium Saddlesack (Blue)

[Broccoli Cog]

Hi Jay, I'm glad to hear that I am not the only one that struggles with 
this type of thing. Oh well, we are fortunate to have such good choices and 
the means to purchase such a gorgeous bike bag. To clarify when I put it on 
the bike I didn't think it appeared large rather I was surprised as to how 
much stuff you can pack inside. For me the choice was correct because I 
wanted it to hold my sleeping bag, tent, stove and a few other items for 
overnights. I have a Wald basket on the front with a Swift Sugarloaf bag as 
well. For me this is a perfect setup. For my next bike I may end up getting 
the large. I think there is also quite a bit of value in having that extra 
space when you need it. 

Tim

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 5:36:35 AM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> "Much contempletion" has me smiling. 
> I just bought a saddlesack and went through a similar thought 
> process: blue vs olive, medium vs large, etc.
> I ended up buying the medium and exchanging it for the large without 
> installing it. Interesting that you found it looks bigger on the bike. 
> Maybe I could have kept the medium and avoided the hassle. Oh, well. I'm 
> happy with my decision.
> And FWIW my wife rejected the blue for my gen 1 green Sam. 
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Jay
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 3:37:46 AM UTC+3, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
>> After some contemplation and some great feedback from all of you I just 
>> received my new medium Saddlesack. I am beyond happy with how awesome it 
>> is. Af first when I looked at it I didn't think it would be large enough to 
>> hold my S24O gear. I thought about exchanging it for the large but then I 
>> put it on the bike and stuffed it with my camping gear. This bag expands 
>> nicely and holds a lot! The square shape is better at swallowing up gear 
>> than a standard saddle bag. In the end I think I will be happy I went with 
>> the medium. I decided on the blue one which looks so much better in person! 
>>
>> Question about wire guards. I know that Nitto makes a nice wire guard 
>> that Riv does not currently have in stock. I have Paul Racer brakes and the 
>> brake cable does rub when the bag is stuffed with camping gear. I took it 
>> for a test ride and found that the rear brake still functions but boy I 
>> really don't like the thought of that cable rubbing on the bag. I thought 
>> maybe I could ziptie the bottom of the bag to the rack but I am not sure if 
>> that will be sufficient enough from preventing a bag that is stuffed full 
>> from sliding forward. Until I can pick up a wireguard is their an interim 
>> solution? 
>>
>> Tim 
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Medium Saddlesack (Blue)

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Thanks Bill. I jumped on that right away. I'll have it soon. 

On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 8:49:46 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> It looks like Bens has the Nitto guard on-hand, if you want it right away. 
>  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 5:37:46 PM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> After some contemplation and some great feedback from all of you I just 
>> received my new medium Saddlesack. I am beyond happy with how awesome it 
>> is. Af first when I looked at it I didn't think it would be large enough to 
>> hold my S24O gear. I thought about exchanging it for the large but then I 
>> put it on the bike and stuffed it with my camping gear. This bag expands 
>> nicely and holds a lot! The square shape is better at swallowing up gear 
>> than a standard saddle bag. In the end I think I will be happy I went with 
>> the medium. I decided on the blue one which looks so much better in person! 
>>
>> Question about wire guards. I know that Nitto makes a nice wire guard 
>> that Riv does not currently have in stock. I have Paul Racer brakes and the 
>> brake cable does rub when the bag is stuffed with camping gear. I took it 
>> for a test ride and found that the rear brake still functions but boy I 
>> really don't like the thought of that cable rubbing on the bag. I thought 
>> maybe I could ziptie the bottom of the bag to the rack but I am not sure if 
>> that will be sufficient enough from preventing a bag that is stuffed full 
>> from sliding forward. Until I can pick up a wireguard is their an interim 
>> solution? 
>>
>> Tim 
>>
>

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[RBW] New Medium Saddlesack (Blue)

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After some contemplation and some great feedback from all of you I just 
received my new medium Saddlesack. I am beyond happy with how awesome it 
is. Af first when I looked at it I didn't think it would be large enough to 
hold my S24O gear. I thought about exchanging it for the large but then I 
put it on the bike and stuffed it with my camping gear. This bag expands 
nicely and holds a lot! The square shape is better at swallowing up gear 
than a standard saddle bag. In the end I think I will be happy I went with 
the medium. I decided on the blue one which looks so much better in person! 

Question about wire guards. I know that Nitto makes a nice wire guard that 
Riv does not currently have in stock. I have Paul Racer brakes and the 
brake cable does rub when the bag is stuffed with camping gear. I took it 
for a test ride and found that the rear brake still functions but boy I 
really don't like the thought of that cable rubbing on the bag. I thought 
maybe I could ziptie the bottom of the bag to the rack but I am not sure if 
that will be sufficient enough from preventing a bag that is stuffed full 
from sliding forward. Until I can pick up a wireguard is their an interim 
solution? 

Tim 

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[RBW] Re: Cable/Housing Cutter Suggestions

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I just replaced a pair of Park CN-10's with a new pair. Mine had become dull 
from cutting a multitude of other things from cables to zipties. FWIW In order 
to improve  longevity my LBS recommended using the CN-10 for housing only and 
have a quality side cutter on hand for cables. I would avoid using them, like I 
did, for many things. 

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[RBW] Re: D2R2 2017

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I'll be there to ride the 100K. I'm riding alone so would love to meet other 
100K riders st the start so I don't have to suffer alone. Looking to ride and 
enjoy the challenge without it being a race to the finish. PM me if you want to 
meet up!

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[RBW] Re: D2R2 2017

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I'm still in and would love to meet up with like minded riders I am taking a 
very unracer like approach. May even wear "Jorts"

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[RBW] FS/FT Makeshifter Canvasworks Outback Saddle Bag

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Hello All, 

I have an impeccably handcrafted saddle bag from Makeshifter Canvasworks of 
Portland, OR. I took delivery on the bag in early June after waiting six 
weeks for it to be completed. I have used it on my bike since then with 
only one overnight trip. The bag is in like new condition with only a few 
smudges that can likely be cleaned off. In my personal opinion the more 
"beasauge" the better the bag looks. 

I am looking to sell it because it is just slightly too small for what I 
was looking for. I would like to replace it with a Sackville Medium. I paid 
$250 for it and would like to get $200 shipped via PayPal. As an 
alternative I would be willing to trade it for a Medium Sackville 
Saddlesack that is in good condition. Perhaps you have a collection of 
Saddlesack's and you can part with your medium? Would only accept trades on 
something that is in good condition. The bag I have is practically new. The 
current retail on a similar bag on their website is  $265. 

For photos please see here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WNgI7b8MOSRwE21R2

For more info on the Makeshifter Outback see here: 
http://www.makeshiftercanvasworks.com/shop-online/outback-saddlebag

Please contact me via private message if there is interest. 

Tim

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2015 Black Rivendell Bicycle Works - Sam Hillborne - 62 CM - Lots of Extras

[Broccoli Cog]

Sweet looking bike! I also have a 62 Sam. Can you tell me what size tires 
and size in the photos. How do the VO fenders fit?

On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 11:22:03 AM UTC-4, Marc40a wrote:
>
> I ran into this bike and its owner last year in Harris Cyclery. Beautiful 
> build. 
>
> On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 2:31:43 PM UTC-4, Constantine Xanthopoulos 
> wrote:
>>
>> I am selling my 62cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne custom built at Harris 
>> Cyclery in Newton Mass. back in October 2015 with a lots of nice parts:
>>
>> Frame : 2015 Black and White Sam Hillborne 
>> Wheels : Custom Built DT competition Spokes Velocity Dyad Rim 700c 36H
>> Front Hub: Schmidt Dynamo SON 28 Polished 36H
>> Front Light: Schmidt Edelux 2 polished
>> Rear Hub: Shimano Deore XT
>> Handlebar: Nitto Noodle H/Bar 46cm H.T.
>> Fenders: Velo Orange Zeppelin 52mm
>> King Bottle Cages
>> Rear Rack: Nitto 33R
>> Front Rack: M1 / Mark's Rack 
>> Front Bag: Gilles Berthoud 2886 (Large) 
>> Front Bag Handlebar Bag Decaleur: Gilles Berthoud
>> Saddle: Gilles Berthoud Aspin - Natural 
>> Nitto Tech Stem 100mm 26.0
>> Crank : Sugino XD 
>> And many many more.. 
>>
>> The Bike has been ridden for about 1200-1500 miles since 2015 and has 
>> always been garaged and pampered.  
>> It is in excellent condition.
>>
>> I'd rather sell locally in New England but I can definitely figure out a 
>> way to ship the bicycle too. 
>>
>> The total build including labor, racks and bags cost me over $4.500,00  
>> Asking $2.900,00 OBO. 
>>
>> Thank you for looking, 
>> Constantine  
>>
>>

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[RBW] Road Rash (no pictures)

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Sorry to hear Jay. I hope you recover and heal quickly!

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[RBW] Re: Long Time Coming....

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Great job on the build and thanks for sharing. The bike looks gorgeous!

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 1:41:52 AM UTC-4, Kiley DeMond wrote:
>
> I have no idea where to actually begin this post... I rode a Betty Foy 
> around 2010, when I still lived in the Bay Area, but ended up buying a 
> Dutch tank of a bike. That was the third? Fourth? Fifth foray into finding 
> a bike that would recapture the joy I felt riding bikes a decade or more 
> back.
>
> Then, an orange Clementine caught my eye, and the orange Cheviot caught my 
> fancy. And last summer when I was back in CA for my nephew's graduation, I 
> borrowed a friend's car and drove back out to Walnut Creek and rode both of 
> the Orange bikes that had my eye and potentially, my heart. The Clem was 
> fun, but not as smooth as the Cheviot, and my love of lugs and the belief 
> that this was perhaps my last bike, made the Cheviot my choice. 
>
> Still, I didn't order the Cheviot until February of 2016. Well, by 'order' 
> I mean put a meager deposit down on the last of the orange 60cm frames. At 
> least it was sort of mine. And it gave me something to dream about. 
>
> Will, Roman and I decided on the components and it arrived in July. The 
> only thing different from standard was the extra long crank, a bow to my 
> 91.5 PBH. However, having not ridden the component set I picked for more 
> than five minutes, I immediately started to think of what I wanted to 
> change. I always thought Build-a-Bike would be a great idea! Get the frame 
> and then through trial and error, discussion and assessment, arrive at the 
> perfect component sets with your LBS. Over the next months, I, and I mean 
> I, as I did all the work myself, swapped out the handlebars (Albatross for 
> Bosco), brake levers (loved the Paul components levers, shifters (IRD 
> replaced the Sun Race). I already had the Nitto set back seat post. There 
> were intervening iterations of many of the components. Racks... Tires 
> Fenders 
>
> So, with further ado, and with a tip of my cap to Will who fielded many 
> emails from a newbie builder, I give you Heidi. God, I love riding this 
> bike. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Video Review

[Broccoli Cog]

Well done! I like the way you built the bike up. That mustard color looks 
great!!

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 9:30:01 AM UTC-4, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> Hi!  Here's a little overview of my Appaloosa I recently made:
>
> https://youtu.be/DtElrNIi9KM
>
> Enjoy!
>
> M
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[RBW] Re: Breaking in a leather Brooks

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As the OP I am happy to report I received my new Brooks B17 Standard in the 
mail today. Put the saddle on and went for a ride. I can't say it was 
instantly comfortable but I feel like the shape of the saddle is correct. I 
just need to have a little give where my sits bones meet the saddle. I rode 
12 miles in just regular shorts no chamois. Still many miles to go before 
break in but I am optimistic that it is going to be right for me. 

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 11:12:14 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> I have decided to take the plunge into the world of leather saddles with 
> the purchase of a Brooks B17. I am in search of one now and decided to buy 
> used. There is a variety of information regarding proper break in. I have 
> read using mink oil, baseball glove oil and various other methods some of 
> which seem like gimmicks. I am more into the keep it simple approach of 
> applying a good reputable oil and simply going out and riding. The only way 
> to break it in is time. Can anyone share their real world experience with 
> breaking in a leather saddle?

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[RBW] Re: I finally made it out to Riv

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That's a great story!  Reinforces how happy I am to do business with such 
great people. I hope to visit there someday. 

On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 6:03:02 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>
> I visited Riv 3 weeks ago. I was on my way to Mountain View and was able 
> to spend a little under 24 hours in Walnut Creek. I got there at noon on 
> Friday, June 1 after leaving Sequoia National Park that morning. What a 
> great experience! I met Vince first and we visited. I told him about my 
> Rivendells. Then I met Dave, whom I've exchanged a few emails with. Great 
> guy. I was starving so went next door to the noodle place for some 
> delicious pho. I came back and hung out some more. I saw Jenny's double tt 
> Hilsen. Sweet bike. I rode a 52 Appaloosa with Bosco bars. Then a Clem and 
> a Clem L. Grant came in and we talked for quite a while. I was planning on 
> coming in the next morning (Saturday) and testing a bike at the Shell Ridge 
> open space (where many of those great photos on the site are shot. They 
> have maps printed at Riv and Grant gave me one and marked the directions in 
> highlighter. Dave recommended a sushi place for dinner and I left. 
>
> I got there Saturday with the intention of riding an Appaloosa but the one 
> from the day before was smaller than I wanted. I was going to take a Clem 
> but then Grant came by and told me to take his. Then he decided to come 
> along (to make sure I didn't hurt his bike, he said, tongue-in-cheek), and 
> off we went. The trails are just as great as they look in the pictures and 
> the hills are even more beautiful. There were a couple of hills we had to 
> walk up. Grant took my phone and went ahead on the trail a few times to 
> shoot me coming down. It was a great ride and he is a very engaging guy. 
>
> While I was there I ended up meeting Vince, Dave, Mark, Spencer, Will, 
> Jenny and Harry Hugel IV. Everyone was super nice and several of them 
> thanked me, from a genuine place, for buying Rivendells. They have always 
> been just as nice in the many, many encounters I've had with them via email 
> or on the phone. I've got 5 Riv's and have always loved them. It makes me 
> feel really good to support such a great business. 
>
>

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[RBW] Swift basket bag

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I love mine! Well made, perfect match for the Wald 137, easy on and off, can 
add a shoulder strap, nicely designed pockets, made in Seattle by some nice 
people. I highly recommend it.

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[RBW] Re: Breaking in a leather Brooks

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I'm glad I checked here with you guys first. I had a feeling that there are 
no shortcuts. I ended up buying a new B17 Standard in Honey. I also picked 
up a Nitto S83 seatpost to help make saddle tilt easier. I already have a 
rain cover. I can't wait to get it mounted so I can try it out. Keeping my 
fingers crossed that it will right for me! 

On Monday, June 19, 2017 at 8:30:17 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> JUST SAY NO to breaking in Brooks saddle tricks.  You will find they are 
> plenty soft and will be broken in by 50 mi.  
> If you play any games with them, you will shorten the life, and IMO they 
> don't last long enough.  
> My Brooks never need breaking in  - the newer the better.  
>

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[RBW] Breaking in a leather Brooks

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I have decided to take the plunge into the world of leather saddles with the 
purchase of a Brooks B17. I am in search of one now and decided to buy used. 
There is a variety of information regarding proper break in. I have read using 
mink oil, baseball glove oil and various other methods some of which seem like 
gimmicks. I am more into the keep it simple approach of applying a good 
reputable oil and simply going out and riding. The only way to break it in is 
time. Can anyone share their real world experience with breaking in a leather 
saddle?

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[RBW] Re: FS Brooks Cambium C17 (2 available)

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Both saddles have now been spoken for. 

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 8:28:50 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Up for sale I have a pair of Brooks Cambium C17 saddles. Both used but in 
> good condition. Asking $80 each shipped. PayPal preferred with $80 net to 
> me. 
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/4wxgx7hs4ZVS4ik3A
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[RBW] Re: Last Blue 62 Sam Hillborne Frame

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I have a Blue 62 cm Sam as well. After waisting more money then I care to admit 
on racing inspired carbon bikes I finally have a bike that I am truly happy 
with. Mine started out with noodles but now has Albatross bars. Good luck with 
it. I hope you love it more as much as I love mine!

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[RBW] Re: FS Brooks Cambium C17 (2 available)

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Hi Chris, they are both slate. I have had quite a bit of interest in these and 
currently have a sale pending on both.

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[RBW] FS Brooks Cambium C17 (2 available)

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Up for sale I have a pair of Brooks Cambium C17 saddles. Both used but in 
good condition. Asking $80 each shipped. PayPal preferred with $80 net to 
me. 

https://goo.gl/photos/4wxgx7hs4ZVS4ik3A

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

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I agree Jay. I think that hump at the top of the C17 is problematic for me. The 
comments are making me think more about trying a B17

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

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Thanks Deacon. I have read some of your reviews on the Rivet. My LBS is a 
dealer so I thought I would try them out. I really like the idea of the 
guarantee they offer. That is really appealing when you are taking a chance 
on a $150 saddle. 

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 9:04:38 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Several thoughts:
>
> -- Rivet saddles are great! I love my Diablo, but it is very narrow and 
> likely too narrow for Albatross bars? Also Rivet has a 1 year love it 
> guarantee, refund or exchange. Great to work with.
> -- Next on my list to try when I was in your same dilemma was the Berthoud 
> Aspin, but I loved my Rivet so went no further.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 6:25:03 PM UTC-6, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave. Actually know I'm not sure. I thought I would give it a try 
>> though. I am also considering a Rivet Diablo or a SA. Maybe even a leather 
>> Brooks. At this point I am trying not to waste money on a saddle I can't 
>> live with. It's such a dilemma we cyclist face. I may have to just suck it 
>> up and buy something but I wanted to check here first. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 8:01:59 PM UTC-4, Dave Small wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a Cambium on my commuter but don't find it as comfortable as a 
>>> Brooks B-17 or a Berthoud Aspin or Mente.  The Cambium feels harder--not 
>>> comfortably so--but I like the weatherproofness of it so give up a little 
>>> comfort for that quality since the distance isn't daunting.  
>>>
>>> Are you sure the saddle width is the issue?
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

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I was wondering about buying a used B17. I thought the whole idea is that 
after break in the saddle forms its shape to the riders anatomy. Lets say a 
rider owns it for a few years and it forms to that individual rider. Is it 
possible for me to then ride the same saddle and have it adapt to my own 
shape? Something I have been wondering about. 

On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 3:05:41 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> BC: If you can find a used-not-trashed B17, that's a good (slightly 
> cheaper) way to find out if it works for you. New ones can take so long to 
> break in that you might throw in the towel before finding out if it's a 
> possibility. I'd look for one that's got enough life in it to last a while, 
> then if it clicks you can start over on a new one later. That C17? Turn it 
> over and put a plant in it!

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

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Thanks Joe. Good point and yes I am considered a B17 or other Brooks 
leather model. I am also considering a SA or a Rivet Diablo.

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 8:45:14 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Did you try these after giving up on leather saddles? I ask because I can 
> only ride B17. I tried a C17 for a month to take advantage of the longer 
> rails, lighter weight and weatherproofness, but it was a torture rack. Back 
> to leather for me. 

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[RBW] Re: Giving up on my Cambium C17

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Hi Dave. Actually know I'm not sure. I thought I would give it a try 
though. I am also considering a Rivet Diablo or a SA. Maybe even a leather 
Brooks. At this point I am trying not to waste money on a saddle I can't 
live with. It's such a dilemma we cyclist face. I may have to just suck it 
up and buy something but I wanted to check here first. 

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 8:01:59 PM UTC-4, Dave Small wrote:
>
> I have a Cambium on my commuter but don't find it as comfortable as a 
> Brooks B-17 or a Berthoud Aspin or Mente.  The Cambium feels harder--not 
> comfortably so--but I like the weatherproofness of it so give up a little 
> comfort for that quality since the distance isn't daunting.  
>
> Are you sure the saddle width is the issue?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Giving up on my Cambium C17

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As I continue on my quest to find relative comfort on my Sam I think I am 
well on my way wth a successful switch to the Albatross bars. What lies 
ahead is the need to address my saddle discomfort. I have two Brooks 
Cambium C17's. One on a Surly ICT and the other is on my Sam. I have ridden 
the saddles for 8 months and I have decided to give up on making them work. 
I feel that I am close to being comfortable with the C17. I have tried both 
with padded shorts and without. For rides up to an hour the saddle is ok. 
Anything longer than that my sits bone start to really hurt. From past 
experience with padded saddles I know that narrower is better for me so 
that is what is leading me to the C15.   

Is there anyone who has a Cambium C15, either slotted or regular that you 
would be willing to let me borrow for a couple of weeks? I pay for shipping 
both ways and you would have my absolute word that I would return it to 
you. If so I would be forever grateful. I also would be willing to offer 
one of my C17 as a trade if this would be something that would interest 
anyone. Please contact me off list if this is something that you are 
willing to do. 

Tim 

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[RBW] Re: Does anybody ride 75+ km with non-drop-bar handlebars?

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For those interested to learn more about Freddie Hoffman here is a link you 
can read here 

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 2:10:40 AM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> Freddie Hoffman has ridden more than 1.5 million miles with an 
> upright-swept back handlebar. In the '80s he averated 50,000 miles per 
> year. We've covered him in the RR, he's been written up here and there...it 
> can be done.
>
> On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-7, Peter Turskovitch wrote:
>>
>> Hi everybody, 
>>
>> I've heard that this is the place to come for advice about "alternative" 
>> handlebars. Can anybody recommend a bar for long rides? My problem these 
>> days is that I'm pulling a kid trailer and lowering my pace to ride with a 
>> new-to-cycling spouse. These factors have reduced my pressure on the 
>> pedals, so to speak, and left my torso less supported by my core. My hands 
>> are sore! All the same, we're still riding 75 - 100km at a time, so I need 
>> something with multiple positions for the long haul. 
>>
>> Everybody's bodies and needs are different, and what works for one may 
>> not work for another, but I would be very interested in hearing some 
>> perspectives!
>>
>> Peter 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bike computer

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Good tip on the Element. Navigation tools are useful to me. I have tried using 
my iPhone and never really could figure out the RidewithGPS app. I too worry 
about battery drain. 

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[RBW] Bike computer

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What do you use for a bike computer if anything at all? In my past cycling life 
I wouldn't think about leaving the house without my Garmin and a HRM. These 
days more often than not I simply don't bother with the Garmin. I must say it's 
pretty liberating. I've contemplated going back to a plain old bike computer 
that is simple to use and just keeps track of time and distance. Since I no 
longer have a desire to upload my rides online I wonder if a simple computer is 
best or maybe I don't even need one at all? Curious to know what other list 
members are doing.

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[RBW] Re: Does anybody ride 75+ km with non-drop-bar handlebars?

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This is a great thread and so timely for as well. I have only been riding the 
Albatross bars for a couple of weeks. I still don't feel completely 
comfortable. I agree that stem length, bar height angle of the bar and saddle 
position are all a big factor. Still experimenting with my set up.

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[RBW] Re: Sharing a few photos of my Sam with Albatross bars

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Thanks! Yes it is a 62 cm. I had Noodles on the bike before which I really 
liked but I just couldn't get to a place where I wasn't experiencing neck 
pain even with the bars raised way up.That was enough motivation for me to 
try different bars. I also was thinking about the Albastache but after 
talking with Will I felt that they would still be a little too aggressive 
for my liking. I hear you on the expense part. I ended up buying the bars 
from a list member and I tried to save money by attempting to make my 
original 8cm stem work. I ended up scrapping that idea after one ride 
because the cockpit felt so cramped to me. You may be different so I would 
suggest trying your original stem but you will need a shim to reduce the 
clamp size down to 25.4. I swapped out for a new 12cm stem and that works 
much better for me. I am finding that there are still a few tweaks to be 
made. i lowered the angle of bars so they are now more in line with my 
wrists and I also lowered the stem much lower than I had with the Noodles. 
The combination of those three things have made a difference for me. That 
said I have yet to ride anything over 15 miles so I don't have anything to 
go on. If your patient I am sure bars, stem or both will come up for sale 
soon. 

Tim

On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 12:49:57 PM UTC-4, Austin B wrote:
>
> Me likey! Is that a 62cm?
>
> What bars did you use before the Albatross? I'm running Noodles but keep 
> wondering about an Albastache setup--but $90 for an Albastache is a bit 
> pricey for me to simply try something out. I keep trolling CL, eBay, and 
> the Owners Bunch but they don't come up often.
>
> Great pics too.
>
> -Austin
>

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[RBW] New Cheviot Day

[Broccoli Cog]

Love it! How did it ride?

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[RBW] Sharing a few photos of my Sam with Albatross bars

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Hey All, Wanted to share a few photos to show off my Sam with the Albatross 
set up. So far I really like them. This was also my first ride with an 
incredibly awesome saddle bag made by Makeshifter Canvas Works from 
Portland, OR. 
https://goo.gl/photos/BejKUhvrGdmBAAQo6

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[RBW] Made the switch to upright bars

[Broccoli Cog]

With the assistance and feedback of many on this form I have made the 
transition from Noodles to Albatross bars on my Sam. This was a pretty big 
deal for me and I see it as one more step in the process of becoming an 
"un-racer". I have to say it feels kind of weird to ride this way. At first 
I kept the 8cm stem that came with my bike and added some shims to give it 
a try. I went for one ride and immediately decided that the cockpit was far 
too cramped for my liking. The common advice is to ride it as is for a few 
weeks to see if I could adjust but my gut instinct told me that it just 
wasn't going to work. The albatross bars come way back so I thought I 
should go with a 12 cm as an educated guess. I installed the new stem 
tonight and went for a ride. After lowering the bars, adjusting the angle 
and then moving the brake levers I have it so it feels pretty good. I plan 
on riding it some more tomorrow morning to see how it feels on a longer 
ride. My main objective is to get comfortable on this bike. I had been 
experiencing some neck pain with the drop bars even with the bars raised 
high. After I get my bars worked out I need to then get my saddle dialed 
in. I have a Brooks Cambium C17. Unfortunately, I don't love this saddle 
but I think it may have to do with the angle that I currently have it set 
on. The problem is the seatpost that came with the Sam is a one bolt non 
Nitto brand that doesn't really allow for incremental adjustments to get 
the correct angle. I am contemplating trying a leather B17 but I want to 
work on the nose up angle first. I picked up a VO seatpost which was 
beautiful but unfortunately I purchased the wrong size. The Sam takes a 
26.8 and the VO Gran Crux only comes in the 27.2 variety so I had to send 
it back. So the journey continues to find comfort on this bike. i am bound 
and detemined to get it right and I have found that the only way to do so 
is by trial and error and seeing for myself. Thanks to all who have helped 
me along the way. i will report back and provide a photo or two. 

Tim 

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[RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf

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I own a Swift Sugarloaf and I love it! The best words that I would use to 
describe it are practical and useful. I use it primarily with my Sam in a Wald 
137. It is designed to work hand in glove with this set up. I love it for its 
ability to hold my stuff and it's quick dismount when I want to carry its 
contents inside. It has handy pockets inside for bike tools etc. There is also 
a zipped outside front pocket and a magnetic flap pocket on the outside rear. I 
used it on one overnight camping trip and it was great for that as well. 
Aesthetically I may give the nod to canvas bags but if you are less concerned 
about using traditional materials and want a practical bag for daily use I 
would highly recommend the Sugarloaf 

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[RBW] To shim or not to shim?

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I installed shims last night. I would describe them as fiddly. I ended up 
sliding the bars into position first and then slid each half in one at a time. 
I spread the stem with a large screw driver with one hand and used a plastic 
tire lever to push each half of the shims into position. Once in place they 
work just fine. In the context of your question I don't think I would want to 
do this in a travel situation. I would be more inclined to get the bar I wanted 
and then change the stem to a 25.4.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

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Great story! Well done!! 

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[RBW] ISO Mountain Bike Brake Levers

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Could offer a set of MKS Grip King pedals to trade for brake levers is that 
interests anyone.

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[RBW] ISO Mountain Bike Brake Levers

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Hi all, I'm making the switch to Albatross bars and I am in need of a set 
of MTB brake levers that work with the Tektro side pulls. Does anyone have 
any laying around in their parts bin that you would like to part with? I am 
looking for the Shimano ones but would consider others if you have them. 
Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

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Thanks all. I decided to jump in with both feet and will try the Albatross 
bars purchased from a fellow list member. I will report back letting 
everyone know how it goes. 

On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:01:17 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars to 
> something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end up 
> switching and what was the outcome? 
>
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

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Thanks for all of the thoughtful feedback everyone. Tonight I raised the 
bars on my current set up to see if that makes a difference. I came up a 
full 2 cm's while still remaining below the min insertion line. I am going 
to try to ride the bike this way for a while to see If that makes a 
difference with my neck pain. If that doesn't work I think the Albastache 
would be my first choice.  I think it might be a good compromise between 
drop bars and upright. I also think these bars would look awesome on my 
Sam! I also think this would be an easier transition with my current 
cockpit set up. I could keep the current stem and road brake levers that I 
already have.  If I switch to the Albatross I would want a new stem,  new 
MTB style brake levers and possibly extra long cables for my tall sized 
bike. A little more money then I want to spend on this experiment that I am 
currently obsessing about.  

On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:01:17 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars to 
> something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end up 
> switching and what was the outcome? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

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Thanks for the feedback. I have Noodles on my Sam set slightly above saddle 
height. I can't say enough about how great these bars are. Perfectly 
comfortable drop bars in every way. So what's the problem right?? I am one 
who always has dealt with some degree of neck pain from keeping my head up 
in a position where I can see the road. Granted the quill stem has really 
helped this situation but I am still finding that I am having pain on rides 
at 2 hours long or longer. I am thinking about the Albastache because I 
won't have to make other cockpit changes with a new stem and brake levers. 
I fear I will be getting into a slippery slope but I would do anything to 
ride longer distances relatively pain free. The next thing I will try is 
raising the bars up even a little more to see if that changes anything. The 
next step may be to try the Albastache bars but I am reluctant to give up 
my Noodles which I love. 

On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:01:17 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars to 
> something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end up 
> switching and what was the outcome? 
>
>

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[RBW] Handlebar Bliss

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Looking for thoughts from those of you who have switched from drop bars to 
something more upright such as the Mustache or Albatross.Why did you end up 
switching and what was the outcome? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Sam Hillborne

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Great looking bike Reid! 

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

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I actually have a set of Clement Strada LGG in the 32 mm variety in my 
collection. I told you I have a problem! Actually I am hoping the JBs are a 
little plumber as they should measure a true 33. I think the Clements are 
closer to 31 but I don't know for sure. 

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 7:30:54 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> Brewster, you are prolly aware that Clement has a 32mm road tire the LGG, 
> but there it is in case not. Panaracer also makes the Gravel King smooth 
> tread in a 32, not be confused with SK version which does not. Their names 
> a descriptions are very irregular to say the least !  
>
> If you ever want some inexpensive tires for under 20 buckos consider 
> Performance bike shops Metro K tires. They are steel bead but I swear to 
> goodness they ride really nice regardless of the price. They measure 
> 33-34mm on Mavic A719 rims. I run them at 40-50 psi. In this case you get 
> more than you pay for.
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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

Thanks for the feedback Jon. Those are some great looking bikes! It's kind 
of funny how we talk about 33 mm tires as being narrow.  

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 2:21:31 PM UTC-4, jtallman wrote:
>
> Tim,
> I have 2 Sam Hillbornes, the first one being an orange 56 cm canti brake 
> version that I bought in the summer of 2009. I have tried several different 
> tires on it over the years, including a set of Jack Browns. I have also 
> found that I enjoy the ride of the Sam more with narrower tires. Four years 
> ago I built up a pair of 27 inch wheels from some spare rims I had and put 
> them on my Sam along with some 27 x 1 1/4 Paselas. I have rarely had 700c 
> tires on it since then.
>
> https://flic.kr/p/fQisoc
>
> I have a blue 55 cm Sam that I bought just over 2 years ago and it has 
> only had a 27 inch wheelset with SwiftTire SandCanyon tires from Loose 
> Screws. You can get them from Amazon.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Panaracer-SwiftTire-inch-Folding-Tire/dp/B01DLN93L4
>
> Blue Sam here: https://flic.kr/p/GpM8Nv
>
> Not suggesting that you should abandon your wheelset, but letting you know 
> your not completely alone in preferring "narrower" tires on a Sam!
>
> Jon Tallman
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 7:17:00 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> I have been fusing with different tires on my Sam every since I purchased 
>> it late last summer. I thought I wanted to go as wide as possible and have 
>> the ability to ride on multi surfaces. The reality is that 95% of my riding 
>> time on the Sam is on the road. I also have P45 fenders mounted which left 
>> very little clearance for the 40 mm tires. Some of you may recall me 
>> wrestling with the fenders. I decided to try riding the bike with 33mm 
>> tires on it. I had a pair of Clement LAS file treads in my basement so I 
>> decided to give them a try. Although not an absolute, in my opinion a 33mm 
>> tire or something in that range seems to be the sweet spot for the Sam. 
>> When I rode it this morning it was noticeably more nimble. Another big plus 
>> for me is that they easily cleared the fenders. I had been thinking about 
>> buying a set of Compass Barlow Pass tires but my experience with the 33's 
>> had be second guessing. Since the Compass tires have yet to arrive on our 
>> shores I decided to look elsewhere. I was able to find a guy on another 
>> forum selling a set of Jack Brown Blue's that he mounted but never ending 
>> up riding. I picked them up for a good price so I am pretty excited to try 
>> them. I'll report back once I have spent some time riding on them. 
>>
>> Tim 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

Good point. A bad habit of mine is this constant case of upgrade-itis. One 
of the Clements is worn but I could have just purchased one as a 
replacement and put the one with the good tread on the front. Oh well, I 
had my heart set on trying more of a smooth tread version found on the JB's 
as compared to the knobby corners the the file treads provide.  

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 6:06:42 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> Why not just keep riding the Clement tires ?  I mean hey, if it ain't 
> broke...
>
> As you found out, wider is not necessarily "better", it's just wider but 
> it doesn't necessarily mean better or worse.
>
> I myself have not drunk the "Compass kool-aid" and prolly never will. 
> Everyone has their own preferences and the ability to express it however 
> that may be, it is our nature to do so. 
>
>  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

Thank you Patrick. I always appreciate your comments and have visited your 
blog quite a few times when i was deciding on a Rivendell. I have been 
really pining for a Hunqapillar especially after seeing yours and the 
places you have gone as evidenced by your photos. That said I have been on 
a quest to simplify my cycling life and ended up selling three bikes in the 
last 8 months. I am learning to live with my Sam and I enjoy trying 
different set ups. That said I am being mindful to not fall into the trap 
that I was in before always obsessing and buying the latest and greatest. I 
passed on the Barlow Pass tires as least for now. I am going to see how the 
bike rides with the Jack Browns because there is nothing like seeing 
something with ones own eyes. The Compass tires will have to wait and I am 
just fine with that. 

On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 7:47:49 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> For your 5% non-paved, my Barlow Pass on my Quickbeam serve me wonderfully 
> on the 60% dirt and single track I ride with them, and it's not just easy 
> pastoral paths they're on. Some of these pictures are from before I was 
> enlightened to Barlow Pass tires, but they all show conditons and trails 
> and roads I ride often with them in the years since I got them.
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/quickbeam-sightings
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 5:17:00 PM UTC-6, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> I have been fusing with different tires on my Sam every since I purchased 
>> it late last summer. I thought I wanted to go as wide as possible and have 
>> the ability to ride on multi surfaces. The reality is that 95% of my riding 
>> time on the Sam is on the road. I also have P45 fenders mounted which left 
>> very little clearance for the 40 mm tires. Some of you may recall me 
>> wrestling with the fenders. I decided to try riding the bike with 33mm 
>> tires on it. I had a pair of Clement LAS file treads in my basement so I 
>> decided to give them a try. Although not an absolute, in my opinion a 33mm 
>> tire or something in that range seems to be the sweet spot for the Sam. 
>> When I rode it this morning it was noticeably more nimble. Another big plus 
>> for me is that they easily cleared the fenders. I had been thinking about 
>> buying a set of Compass Barlow Pass tires but my experience with the 33's 
>> had be second guessing. Since the Compass tires have yet to arrive on our 
>> shores I decided to look elsewhere. I was able to find a guy on another 
>> forum selling a set of Jack Brown Blue's that he mounted but never ending 
>> up riding. I picked them up for a good price so I am pretty excited to try 
>> them. I'll report back once I have spent some time riding on them. 
>>
>> Tim 
>>
>

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[RBW] Tires for Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

I have been fusing with different tires on my Sam every since I purchased 
it late last summer. I thought I wanted to go as wide as possible and have 
the ability to ride on multi surfaces. The reality is that 95% of my riding 
time on the Sam is on the road. I also have P45 fenders mounted which left 
very little clearance for the 40 mm tires. Some of you may recall me 
wrestling with the fenders. I decided to try riding the bike with 33mm 
tires on it. I had a pair of Clement LAS file treads in my basement so I 
decided to give them a try. Although not an absolute, in my opinion a 33mm 
tire or something in that range seems to be the sweet spot for the Sam. 
When I rode it this morning it was noticeably more nimble. Another big plus 
for me is that they easily cleared the fenders. I had been thinking about 
buying a set of Compass Barlow Pass tires but my experience with the 33's 
had be second guessing. Since the Compass tires have yet to arrive on our 
shores I decided to look elsewhere. I was able to find a guy on another 
forum selling a set of Jack Brown Blue's that he mounted but never ending 
up riding. I picked them up for a good price so I am pretty excited to try 
them. I'll report back once I have spent some time riding on them. 

Tim 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2017 MUSA Shorts - Medium

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These are now sold. Thanks for looking

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2017 MUSA Shorts - Medium

[Broccoli Cog]

I know that the list is not really designed to be a classified site so I 
won't keep bumping these to the top. Instead I am going to offer them up 
one more time at a rock bottom price of $50. The bottom line is that I 
purchased them a size too small and I am trying to recoup some of my funds. 
These really are great quality made in the USA shorts. If you think these 
will work for you this will be a great deal for somebody. If you've been 
eyeing these on the Rivendell site and don't want to wait for them to come 
back in stock here is your chance. Let me know! 

On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 2:37:51 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Picked these up 2 weeks ago. Only ended up wearing once on the bike and 
> once around the house. They are just not the correct size for me. This is 
> the new version of these shorts Rivendell has them listed as sold out on 
> their website. These are the mediums and the waist size is listed as 32" 
> expandable to 43".  $65 shipped within the Continental US. 

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[RBW] Re: D2R2 2017

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I'm riding this year. I'm doing the 100K option on my Sam. I've never done it 
before but it's been on my list. Not sure what the vibe is like for small kids 
because mine are grown. If you decide to go we should meet up!

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[RBW] FS: 2017 MUSA Shorts - Medium

[Broccoli Cog]

Picked these up 2 weeks ago. Only ended up wearing once on the bike and once 
around the house. They are just not the correct size for me. This is the new 
version of these shorts Rivendell has them listed as sold out on their website. 
These are the mediums and the waist size is listed as 32" expandable to 43".  
$65 shipped within the Continental US. 

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[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Broccoli Cog]

Success! I thought I would provide and update here to let everyone know how 
I made out. After 3 sessions in my workshop (aka my basement) I was able 
 to finally get everything aligned to my satisfaction. What it took was an 
abundance of patience and determination. I explored the possibility of 
permanent alignment of the fender nose by bolting it to the Mark's rack. I 
can see how this would work but I treated it as a last resort. There is 
about 3cm of space between the rack and the top of the fender so I would 
need a significant spacer. I had a nylon sleeve that just wasn't quite long 
enough. So I then tried mounting them to the rear of the fork crown with 
the Sheldon Nut.  I didn't like that at all. I found that when mounted to 
the rear of the fork raising the fender up high enough forced the nose down 
so that it was touching the tire. I decided to scrap that and go back to 
mounting it behind the brake again. When I put it back on this time 
starting from scratch I finally got it aligned just right. When I had it 
just right it took the curve out of the nose of the fender. It's not 
perfect but good enough. No tire rub whatsoever. The takeaway for me is 
that you have to keep playing with the adjustment of the fender stays to 
get it just right. It took a lot of trial and error but I now feel like I 
am much better equipped to deal with. I just hope it's not any time soon!

Tim  

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 9:19:37 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Ok I broke the cardinal rule and didn't leave well enough alone. I have a 
> newer Sam with sidepull Tektro brakes. My tires are 40mm Clement MSO. The 
> fenders are SKS P45. My front fender is driving me nuts! I had been riding 
> the bike without any rubbing but I noticed the other day that the nose of 
> the fender is curved to one side. I attempted to straighten it out and I 
> quickly determined there is nothing I can do to straighten it. Now I am 
> putting it all back together including the Mark's rack and I can get it so 
> it's not rubbing. It's close but the little rubber hairs on the tire are 
> rubbing. Maybe when I get it off the stand and go ride it I won't notice 
> but I could help but think a better mechanic then I can get them just 
> right. At this point I'm ready to rip them both off. Is there anyone out 
> there who can restore my sanity by giving me some tips on aligning these 
> properly?

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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Broccoli Cog]

Or I could learn to live with the bent fender nose. I suspect opening the 
tektro brake has contributed to the bend. Once I have the Wald 137 with bag 
back on the bike I won't see the fender from the cockpit. That said I have been 
pining for a set of those Paul Racers. Do you find they allow for a little 
easier wheel removal with wider tires? I'll try spending more time on this 
tonight. Thanks for everyone's help. I really appreciate all of you!

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[RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Broccoli Cog]

Thanks! I do have the Sheldon nut at home. I'll try mounting it to the back of 
the fork crown with the Sheldon nut to see if that helps. I also like the idea 
of being able to take them off without removing the brake and Mark's rack but I 
wonder now why I'd want to

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Re: [RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Broccoli Cog]

The Rivendell web store recommended the P45 for tires up to 40mm. I realize I 
am maxing out with the tires I ride so the clearance is going to be tight. I 
would have purchased the P50 but I didn't think they would clear the brake. The 
Sam pictured on the Riv website with the P50 mounted has canti brakes. I do 
have the quick release on the stays to mitigate any danger of sticks getting 
caught.

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[RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Broccoli Cog]

Ok I broke the cardinal rule and didn't leave well enough alone. I have a newer 
Sam with sidepull Tektro brakes. My tires are 40mm Clement MSO. The fenders are 
SKS P45. My front fender is driving me nuts! I had been riding the bike without 
any rubbing but I noticed the other day that the nose of the fender is curved 
to one side. I attempted to straighten it out and I quickly determined there is 
nothing I can do to straighten it. Now I am putting it all back together 
including the Mark's rack and I can get it so it's not rubbing. It's close but 
the little rubber hairs on the tire are rubbing. Maybe when I get it off the 
stand and go ride it I won't notice but I could help but think a better 
mechanic then I can get them just right. At this point I'm ready to rip them 
both off. Is there anyone out there who can restore my sanity by giving me some 
tips on aligning these properly?

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[RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Broccoli Cog]

I had been mulling over the same decisions. Thanks to the good folks on 
this board and the valuable feedback I received here I was able to make a 
decision as to which one to buy. I have a Wald basket and a Swift Sugarloaf 
bag on the front that carries tools, spare tubes and everyday items.  On 
the rear I have a Nitto R-14 rack.  I wanted to get a bag that worked well 
with the rack. I was very close to buying the Sackville Medium and even 
contemplated a large. I also thought about the Swift Zeitgeist but ended up 
going in a different direction. I ended up buying a bag from Makeshifter. 
They call it their Outback Saddle. I purchased it from the good folks at 
Gravel & Grind in Frederick, MD. I just love the size, the styling and the 
material used. Gravel and Grind is supposed to have them in stock in May. 
Right now they are taking pre-orders because they have a limited number 
available. Here is a link to the bag that I ended up buying. 
http://www.makeshiftercanvasworks.com/bicycle-bags-accessories/outback-saddlebag

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 5:12:12 PM UTC-4, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> I'm in the market for a new saddlebag and would enjoy reading some of your 
> opinions. Has anyone used/currently uses any of these saddlebags? If so, 
> I'd enjoy reading about what you like and dislike. Thanks! 
>
> - Swift Zeitgeist (either size) 
> - Sackville Saddlebag (medium)
> - Carradice Barley or Nelson
>
> Cheers, 
> Max
> San Diego
>

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[RBW] Sackville Saddlesack Large or Medium?

[Broccoli Cog]

I'm trying to decide which Sackville Saddlesack would be better for my Sam. 
I now have a rear rack so either would work. I plan on using it for 
commuting, running errands, and the occasional S24O. I have a Mark's rack 
on the front with a Wald basket for some extra carrying space. My original 
thought was to get the medium with the thought that it would be plenty big 
enough for my needs. I am also leery about having this huge bag on my bike. 
 That said, I don't want to make such a large investment and be kicking 
myself that I didn't get the bigger bag. Would appreciate any advice you 
could share. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires for Sam

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Easy, I am riding 40mm Clement X'plor USH MSO on my Sam now in the 120 Tpi 
version. They are a really good tire. The reason I was interested in the 
Compass is because I wanted a smooth or a herringbone style tread. In other 
words more road like since that is where I am mainly riding these days. I 
can recommend the Clement's without hesitation. 

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 11:25:35 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I commuted across town for several years on 559 X 32 mm non-Tourguard 
> Paselas. They ride well for the price, but FWIW, I found them rather 
> delicate (sidewalls started to decay after a year or so in the sun; I once 
> scraped an inch of tread off the rear casing with an unplanned skid), and 
> very liable to goathead -- and other types of -- flats. I found Kojaks to 
> roll as well and to be far less liable to punctures and damage.
>
> Perhaps the 700C X 38s have a thicker tread? The 559 X 32 (1.25") models 
> weighed only 240 grams on a mail scale.
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 9:19 AM, EasyRider  > wrote:
>
>> I have 700x38 Panaracer Paselas on my Rosco, in the non-tourguard 
>> version. A new pair go for about $50. I have the same tire in 32 on an RBT 
>> and had 1.75s on a Trek 950 before swapping out to Big Bens out of boredom. 
>> Most of my 14 mile daily roundtrip commute  is on bike paths and city 
>> streets, and I can't remember the last time I got a flat with plain old 
>> Paselas. If I were going to ride a lot on road shoulders I'd probably look 
>> to a Schwalbe Marathon or the like. Besides the Barlow Pass, I'm interested 
>> in the 700x40 Clement Xplors.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Tires for Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

 know the cream of the crop recommendation for the Sam is the 38mm Compass 
Barlow Pass. What about others that are a little less? How about the 
Continental's that Riv sells. They call them "basketball" tires. Anyone 
with first hand knowledge on the Conti's?

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe Mixte Build + Riding Impressions

[Broccoli Cog]

I love the sticker on the downtube! Perfect message for people less 
inclined to "get rad". 

On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 4:14:21 PM UTC-4, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
> I've built up and have been riding the Bubbe "Mountain Mixte" (aka "Step 
> Thru" for the purists) for a couple of weeks now so it was high time to 
> share with the group. Plus I noticed that Riv is offering to do another run 
> if they get a commitment of 8 so here's more info for the curious. Build 
> list is at the bottom, and I think that's where the photos end up also.
>
> TL;DR: rides like a Riv - the bike has met or exceeded my expectations, 
> and I'm absolutely happy to have gotten it.
>
> The Bubbe is my second Riv - I got a 51 cm Appaloosa last year - and as my 
> PBH is 78-ish cm, I'm right at the low end of the recommended range for 
> this 54.5 cm frame. With the parts I used, I've got about 3 fingers of seat 
> post showing. Of course standover is not a problem...
>
> My plan for the Bubbe is as a fair weather commuter + urban adventure 
> bike, and I've wanted to build up a step thru since seeing both the Cheviot 
> and the Clem L. I chose the Bubbe over the Cheviot for the fat tires and I 
> knew I wouldn't resist blinging out a Cheviot. I chose the Bubbe over the 
> Clem L - that was a tough one - since I didn't need uber hauling 
> capabilities and for the character and uniqueness of the Bubbe mixte.
>
> The Bubbe's maiden voyage was at the Venice-Culver City CicLAvia, which 
> was 15 easygoing miles of semi-rutted pavement. I put a rack on afterwards 
> and have been doing my 10 mile, relatively flat commute on it ever since. 
> Sadly, no hills or dirt involved with my rides, nor can I comment on the 
> utility of the lift-a-tube.
>
> I paired the bike with 55cm CrMo Boscos, and the two seem to be made for 
> one another. The "grip" portion of the Boscos goes on for days, and I take 
> advantage of that by using tape rather than grips. My riding position goes 
> from "beach cruiser" upright with palms on the bar end nubs (where the 
> shifters bend down) to "touring bike lean" with palms over and index 
> fingers hooked in front of the brake levers. There's an "aero tuck" 
> position with palms on the straight portion close to the stem but I haven't 
> tried that out yet.
>
> As for hauling stuff, I care about two things: how does it handle with a 
> load in the basket (the errand use case) and how does it handle with a 
> stout (~20lbs) load only in one rear pannier (the commute use case). The 
> bike does both well, and does so without noticeable noodliness. I did have 
> an issue with rear tire rub with a small saddlesack due to how low my 
> saddle sits and the 50mm tires, so I need some external support (e.g. rear 
> rack) to run one. A cm or two more seat post and it clears fine.
>
> [BTW that deep Wald 198 + shopsack combo on a Bosco is straight fire: I 
> love, love that, specially for an errand bike.]
>
> As for the ride, well ... it rides like a Riv - but let me expand on that 
> a little. As a step thru with skinny tubes, no surprise it's pretty 
> flexy. But isn't flex inherently a bad thing? "Vertically stiff, laterally 
> compliant" as the literature claims.
>
> What I found with the Bubbe is that the flex is only an issue when I'm 
> simultaneously being abusive and using poor technique, which is especially 
> true for me when I stand up to pedal. It's like the bike is telling me, 
> "You're doing it wrong." But the bike isn't unstable. The best way I can 
> describe it is that it goes "off" but wants to come "back." The bike 
> *wants* me to do the right thing, and rewards me with a connectedness and a 
> resonance when I do.
>
> Given that it's got that character plus it handles those loads, I'm sure 
> there's some kind of bike design wizardry going on beyond my ability to 
> comprehend. Whatever it is, it's good, and flex seems to be part of that 
> plan.
>
>
> Build:
>
>- 
>
>Headset: IRD Technoglide
>- 
>
>BB: (Riv Standard)
>- 
>
>Cranks: Origin 8 CX710 46/34
>- 
>
>Cassette: Shimano HG80 SLX 9sp 11-34
>- 
>
>FD: Shimano Sora 3500
>- 
>
>RD: Shimano Deore M591
>- 
>
>Shifters: Microshift 2/3x9 (BS-A09, F friction only, R index only)
>- 
>
>Chain: SRAM 9 speed PC-971 (1 + a handful of extra links)
>- 
>
>Brakes: Shimano T-4000
>- 
>
>Brake Pads: Kool Stop V-Type Holder with Dual Compound Pads
>- 
>
>Brake Levers: Avid FR-5 
>- 
>
>Stem: Kalloy Uno Road Quill 80mm, 77deg, 25.4 clamp
>- 
>
>Handlebars: Nitto Bosco CrMo (55cm x 25.4 clamp)
>- 
>
>Bar Tape: Neubaum's + twill + shellac
>- 
>
>Hubs: Shimano Deore HB-T610
>- 
>
>Rims: Velocity Cliffhanger 650b 32h, Black with MSW
>- 
>
>Tires: Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 27.5x2.00
>- 
>
>Seatpost: Kalloy 26.8x350mm, 25mm setback
>- 
>
>

[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Broccoli Cog]

I have gone through a significant transformation as a cyclist in the last 
year and a half. I was once heavily influenced by racing. As you would 
expect I owned many carbon fiber road bikes. I also owned the latest and 
greatest carbon fiber CX bike with hydro disc brakes. Now that I have 
embraced my new "unracer" self I have sold off a number of bikes. I am 
currently down to 5 bikes:

1. My first Rivendell. It's a Sam Hillborne. I am using it for my 
everything bike that mostly involves road riding. Currently set up with 
Nitto racks front and rear, fenders, Wald basket and Swift Sugar Loaf bag. 
I love this bike!  
2. Surly Ice Cream Truck. Fat biking is awesome!  This is my bike camping, 
mountain biking, trail riding go anywhere touring bike. I  have a 29+ 
wheelset in the works for even more versatility.
3. Carbon FS Mountain Bike. This is the last of my racing bikes that I am 
trying to sell off. 
4. Stevens Prestige Aluminum CX bike. This one lives on my trainer in the 
basement.
5. A 1951 Rudge 3 speed roadster. I pulled this bike out of my Uncle's barn 
in Cooperstown, NY just before he passed away. I rode this bike as a kid 
and I hope to get it back in service soon. Currently in pieces but I have 
aspirations of working on it again one day. 


On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:24:18 AM UTC-4, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Hey Folks:
>
> I know threads somewhat similar to this pop up every now and again, but 
> Ryan's question to Eric in the Rivendell Road SOLD thread made me wonder 
> how folks settle on their stable size. I fall squarely in the minimalist 
> camp, but I'm guessing others here probably don't. So:
>
> 1. How do you settle on what N equals for you? (N+1, I know, I know...)
> 2. What bikes do you currently own/have in regular rotation and why do you 
> own them? 
>
> My stable is currently at one because of a recent sale, but it will (soon) 
> bump back up to two. I settled on two as the acceptable number of bikes for 
> a number of reasons, but mostly because I can't imagine riding enough to 
> justify having any more of them. We also don't have the space for me to 
> store any additional bikes aside from in a somewhat humid basement, and 
> neither my wife nor myself would appreciate more bikes in the corner of the 
> living room as we're not big fans of clutter, especially clutter that 
> doesn't get used very often.
>
> Current Stable:
>
> 1. 2009 Sam Hillborne (canti): Used mostly for road riding and touring and 
> some occasional single track and forest roads if the ride allows/inspires 
> it.
>
> 2. 2017 Surly Troll: I settled on the new Troll after a lengthy flirtation 
> with the idea of buying a Crust Evasion and other bikes as well. I decided 
> the Troll is better for my needs for a number of reasons: the geometry 
> readily accepts a Jones H-Bar, 2x is easy vs. not doable at all with the 
> Evasion, and my desired 26x3.0 setup doesn't require the need for expensive 
> cranksets. It's also $300 cheaper and I like the maroon better than the 
> also admittedly pretty Evasion color. It will take the place of my 
> erstwhile Krampus as my mountain bike, off-road tourer, long distance 
> tourer (if/when I get to do that!), kid trailer, and stuff hauler. 
>
> How about you?
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
>

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[RBW] Help Installing Nitto R-14

[Broccoli Cog]

Hi All, I have a question about installing a rear rack on my Sam. The two 
rear struts are able to mount to two different locations on the frame. One 
option is to mount the strut midway down the seatstay and the other is to 
mount it on the frame near the rear hub area. Does it matter which one you 
choose? Ascetically I like the way the mid seat stay mount looks. That 
said, I am guessing there would be more structural support by mounting the 
struts more in a straight line facilitated by the rear hub area mount.  My 
plan for this rack is to mainly have it support a medium Sackville bag. The 
bag will of course be secured to the back of the saddle bearing at least 
some of the load. Can I get some thoughts as to the best place to connect 
the rear struts?  

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Re: [RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Broccoli Cog]

Thanks! actually that is my first hurdle. I am trying not to spend a ton of 
money on a stove that may or may not get that use. I still have some 
wanderlust in my soul and hope to do some sub 24O outings but again I am a 
newbie at all this and don't have much gear. I have found a few videos 
online showing how to make a simple stove out of a beer can which uses 
alcohol for fuel but I am not sure if that is best for my needs. So yes I 
would be very interested in learning about what would make a good stove. 

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 7:38:57 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>
> No problem, glad to help. Also if you want any info on stoves/equipment 
> for “coffee outside” activity feel free to ask.
>
> On Mar 24, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Broccoli Cog <tba...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Kellie! And thanks for the follow on IG. If I you don't mind I may 
> reach out to you for tips on how to get something off the ground. 
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 1:36:32 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tim! Thanks so much for your words. I was heavily influenced by 
>> #coffeeoutsideyvr  Take a look at their feed; they're meeting in the 
>> snow-the middle of winter. Keep me in the loop of your developments; I'd 
>> love to follow you and support your group.
>>
>> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 3:25:33 AM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kellie, As it turns out I follow you on Instagram. I have been 
>>> looking at some of your photos from past meet ups and wanted you to know 
>>> that you have inspired me to start something similar here in Upstate New 
>>> York. We still have snow on the ground here but I will attempt to organize 
>>> some coffee outside events when it warms a bit. I have an Aeropress but I 
>>> don't have a stove to boil water yet. It's on my wish list and will pick 
>>> something up soon. Thanks for the inspiration!
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 10:26:50 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> *Coffee Outside* is coming this Sat., 7AM. There's an incredible prize 
>>>> donated from *Rivendell *for one lucky cyclist. Bring your brewing 
>>>> setup/thermos or some "eats" for trade and I'll make you a cup. Rain or 
>>>> shine (there's an overhand if it's raining about 50 yds. from where we 
>>>> usually meet). Right now the forecast looks good. Hope to see you there! 
>>>> More info. @cowboygrrl
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 3:26:20 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l7JznobO_VQ/WLdYciOwQgI/ApM/fvEDirkvxqczPPA42UQHYb5ZqzMLi-IbQCLcB/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2017-02-18%2Bat%2B10.00.32%2BPM.jpg>
>>>>> This Sat. March 4, rain or shine, at the west end of Marina Park near 
>>>>> Salute Restaurant, Marina Bay, CA, 7AM. Bring your brewing set-up/thermos 
>>>>> and meet some like-minded cyclists. Only 4.5 miles from El Cerrito Bart 
>>>>> Station, and most the ride's on the SF Bay Trail to the meeting area.
>>>>>
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Broccoli Cog]

Thanks Kellie! And thanks for the follow on IG. If I you don't mind I may 
reach out to you for tips on how to get something off the ground. 

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 1:36:32 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>
> Hi Tim! Thanks so much for your words. I was heavily influenced by 
> #coffeeoutsideyvr  Take a look at their feed; they're meeting in the 
> snow-the middle of winter. Keep me in the loop of your developments; I'd 
> love to follow you and support your group.
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 3:25:33 AM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kellie, As it turns out I follow you on Instagram. I have been looking 
>> at some of your photos from past meet ups and wanted you to know that you 
>> have inspired me to start something similar here in Upstate New York. We 
>> still have snow on the ground here but I will attempt to organize some 
>> coffee outside events when it warms a bit. I have an Aeropress but I don't 
>> have a stove to boil water yet. It's on my wish list and will pick 
>> something up soon. Thanks for the inspiration!
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 10:26:50 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>>>
>>> *Coffee Outside* is coming this Sat., 7AM. There's an incredible prize 
>>> donated from *Rivendell *for one lucky cyclist. Bring your brewing 
>>> setup/thermos or some "eats" for trade and I'll make you a cup. Rain or 
>>> shine (there's an overhand if it's raining about 50 yds. from where we 
>>> usually meet). Right now the forecast looks good. Hope to see you there! 
>>> More info. @cowboygrrl
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 3:26:20 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l7JznobO_VQ/WLdYciOwQgI/ApM/fvEDirkvxqczPPA42UQHYb5ZqzMLi-IbQCLcB/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2017-02-18%2Bat%2B10.00.32%2BPM.jpg>
>>>> This Sat. March 4, rain or shine, at the west end of Marina Park near 
>>>> Salute Restaurant, Marina Bay, CA, 7AM. Bring your brewing set-up/thermos 
>>>> and meet some like-minded cyclists. Only 4.5 miles from El Cerrito Bart 
>>>> Station, and most the ride's on the SF Bay Trail to the meeting area.
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

You will love it! Congrats! Be sure to share a picture of your setup. 

On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 6:15:57 PM UTC-4, twin wrote:
>
> Sam Hillborn is my choice after hours of deliberation. Sam and retirement 
> should be a great combination. Thanks for all the helpful insight! 
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[RBW] Re: Bags

[Broccoli Cog]

Hi All, Thanks again for the feedback. The final outcome was that I ended 
up ordering a Nitto R-14. I picked up some dutch triple straps to serve my 
cargo carrying needs until I can order my medium saddle bag. I think I'll 
be happier having that rack for support. 

Tim

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I was wondering if I could get some thoughts on a new saddle 
> bag for my Sam. My current setup is I have a Mark's rack on the front 
> combined with a Wald 137 Basket and a Swift Industries Sugar Loaf bag. My 
> saddlebag is a Sackville X-small. This is a great set up for all around 
> riding. I am considering adding a saddle bag that will allow me to carry 
> some extra cargo. I don't have a rear rack and don't have any intention of 
> adding one. That limits me to the Small or the Medium Sackville. I am 
> trying to decide between these two sizes and I am not sure what to do. My 
> goal is to have a bag big enough for commuting and possibly some S24O 
> trips. I don't currently have the gear for the overnight camping and wonder 
> really how much I'll get to do that. I was initially leaning towards the 
> small but thought why not get the medium. I might be happy to have the 
> extra space when I need it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! 
>
> Tim
>
>

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[RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Broccoli Cog]

Hi Kellie, As it turns out I follow you on Instagram. I have been looking 
at some of your photos from past meet ups and wanted you to know that you 
have inspired me to start something similar here in Upstate New York. We 
still have snow on the ground here but I will attempt to organize some 
coffee outside events when it warms a bit. I have an Aeropress but I don't 
have a stove to boil water yet. It's on my wish list and will pick 
something up soon. Thanks for the inspiration!

Tim

On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 10:26:50 PM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>
> *Coffee Outside* is coming this Sat., 7AM. There's an incredible prize 
> donated from *Rivendell *for one lucky cyclist. Bring your brewing 
> setup/thermos or some "eats" for trade and I'll make you a cup. Rain or 
> shine (there's an overhand if it's raining about 50 yds. from where we 
> usually meet). Right now the forecast looks good. Hope to see you there! 
> More info. @cowboygrrl
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 3:26:20 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>> This Sat. March 4, rain or shine, at the west end of Marina Park near 
>> Salute Restaurant, Marina Bay, CA, 7AM. Bring your brewing set-up/thermos 
>> and meet some like-minded cyclists. Only 4.5 miles from El Cerrito Bart 
>> Station, and most the ride's on the SF Bay Trail to the meeting area.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bags

[Broccoli Cog]

Great advice as always. Thank you all. After giving this some more thought 
today I asked myself "why not install a rear rack?" I came to the 
conclusion that a Mark's rack installed on the rear would be perfect in 
conjunction with the medium Sackville. Now I just need to wait for RIv to 
have them back in stock. 

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I was wondering if I could get some thoughts on a new saddle 
> bag for my Sam. My current setup is I have a Mark's rack on the front 
> combined with a Wald 137 Basket and a Swift Industries Sugar Loaf bag. My 
> saddlebag is a Sackville X-small. This is a great set up for all around 
> riding. I am considering adding a saddle bag that will allow me to carry 
> some extra cargo. I don't have a rear rack and don't have any intention of 
> adding one. That limits me to the Small or the Medium Sackville. I am 
> trying to decide between these two sizes and I am not sure what to do. My 
> goal is to have a bag big enough for commuting and possibly some S24O 
> trips. I don't currently have the gear for the overnight camping and wonder 
> really how much I'll get to do that. I was initially leaning towards the 
> small but thought why not get the medium. I might be happy to have the 
> extra space when I need it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! 
>
> Tim
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bags

[Broccoli Cog]

Thanks All, I went out for a ride today where I do my best thinking. A 
medium absolutely makes the most sense. Great feedback. I appreciate you 
guys. 

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 1:47:01 PM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>
> The medium is such a nice size. You can easily strap more on top when you 
> fill up the inside. I first bought a large but it was too big for most of 
> my needs (also use baskets up front) so I swapped  it out for the medium. 
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone, I was wondering if I could get some thoughts on a new saddle 
>> bag for my Sam. My current setup is I have a Mark's rack on the front 
>> combined with a Wald 137 Basket and a Swift Industries Sugar Loaf bag. My 
>> saddlebag is a Sackville X-small. This is a great set up for all around 
>> riding. I am considering adding a saddle bag that will allow me to carry 
>> some extra cargo. I don't have a rear rack and don't have any intention of 
>> adding one. That limits me to the Small or the Medium Sackville. I am 
>> trying to decide between these two sizes and I am not sure what to do. My 
>> goal is to have a bag big enough for commuting and possibly some S24O 
>> trips. I don't currently have the gear for the overnight camping and wonder 
>> really how much I'll get to do that. I was initially leaning towards the 
>> small but thought why not get the medium. I might be happy to have the 
>> extra space when I need it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>

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[RBW] Bags

[Broccoli Cog]

Hi everyone, I was wondering if I could get some thoughts on a new saddle 
bag for my Sam. My current setup is I have a Mark's rack on the front 
combined with a Wald 137 Basket and a Swift Industries Sugar Loaf bag. My 
saddlebag is a Sackville X-small. This is a great set up for all around 
riding. I am considering adding a saddle bag that will allow me to carry 
some extra cargo. I don't have a rear rack and don't have any intention of 
adding one. That limits me to the Small or the Medium Sackville. I am 
trying to decide between these two sizes and I am not sure what to do. My 
goal is to have a bag big enough for commuting and possibly some S24O 
trips. I don't currently have the gear for the overnight camping and wonder 
really how much I'll get to do that. I was initially leaning towards the 
small but thought why not get the medium. I might be happy to have the 
extra space when I need it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! 

Tim

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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift Industries Paloma Bag w/ Klickfix Mount

[Broccoli Cog]

Bag is now sold. Thanks for looking.

On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 5:58:30 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Up for grabs is this beautiful made in the USA Paloma Handlebar Bag from 
> Swift Industries. I purchased this new this past fall and used it only a 
> handful of times. Included with the sale will be the Klickfix mounting 
> system. This is a super functional and easy to use mounting system. To 
> attach just insert the metal frame into the Klickfix pushing down to click 
> it in. A nice audible click lets you know the bag is secured to your bars. 
> To remove simple push the button and lift up. This bag is spacious enough 
> without being the size of a full size Rando bag. I am selling because I 
> decided to go in a different direction with my front mounted cargo needs. 
>
> Swift Bag with Klickfix Mount = $140 shipped. 
>
> PayPal preferred. 
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OH7vLHS4Fe4/WMXDyrmPZ5I/D4s/2uIJzv2DSLchG_OAVaCmKzjZgWn5vOkAQCLcB/s1600/IMG_1422.JPG>
>
>
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[RBW] FS: Swift Industries Paloma Bag w/ Klickfix Mount

[Broccoli Cog]

Up for grabs is this beautiful made in the USA Paloma Handlebar Bag from 
Swift Industries. I purchased this new this past fall and used it only a 
handful of times. Included with the sale will be the Klickfix mounting 
system. This is a super functional and easy to use mounting system. To 
attach just insert the metal frame into the Klickfix pushing down to click 
it in. A nice audible click lets you know the bag is secured to your bars. 
To remove simple push the button and lift up. This bag is spacious enough 
without being the size of a full size Rando bag. I am selling because I 
decided to go in a different direction with my front mounted cargo needs. 

Swift Bag with Klickfix Mount = $140 shipped. 

PayPal preferred. 








Tim

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[RBW] Re: Changes to my Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

Clements are 40mm. I couldn't go any bigger with fenders. I will likely try 
the Compass Barlow Pass next!

On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 5:09:29 PM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
>
>
> That's a beauty! Are those P50 fenders? What size Clement tires.
> Jon
>
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Changes to my Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

Thank You! P45 fenders. I think they are perfect for the Sam

On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 5:09:29 PM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
>
>
> That's a beauty! Are those P50 fenders? What size Clement tires.
> Jon
>
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Changes to my Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

I don't know. I didn't really feel that it didn't fill the basket. Maybe it 
was because there wasn't really anything in the bag. This was my first ride 
with it. 

On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 4:58:14 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:
>
> Great looking rig.
> The Sugarloaf bag looks nice but it doesn't seem to really fill the 
> basket, any idea why they don't make them a tad bigger?
>
> On Thursday, November 24, 2016 at 12:15:14 PM UTC-8, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Hi Friends! Happy Thanksgiving! 
>>
>> I wanted to share the latest iteration of my Sam. 
>>
>> Added the following to the stock build.
>>
>> Grip King pedals. 
>> Brooks Cambium C17 saddle
>> SKS P45 fenders
>> Clement MSO tires 40mm
>> Nitto Mark's rack
>> Wald 137 basket
>> Swift Industries Paloma handlebar bag
>> Swift Industries new suglarloaf bag. Designed for wald basket. Love it! 
>>
>> I absolutely love this bike. Most comfortable drop bar bike I have ever 
>> owned. I still go down to the basement once in a while just to take a peek 
>> at it. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question for Hunquapillar owners

[Broccoli Cog]

Ha Ha! Totally get that. I am still lusting after a Hunq. It just has been 
suppressed for the time being. Sometimes my practical side needs to be 
encouraged too! 


On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 9:23:54 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>
> Broccoli Cog - no one was saying *don't *get the hunqapillar, just what 
> we thought its limitations were ;). (Where is Deacon Patrick with his 
> Sardonic Grin's when you need 'em)?
>
> n+1
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 1:16 PM, adam leibow <ad...@lightvision.net 
> > wrote:
>
>> similar to Kurt, I have a hunqapillar and a fattie (29+ krampus) with a 
>> super high bottom bracket. I do some mountain biking on my hunqapillar and 
>> enjoy it but it definitely feels like underbiking on the more technical 
>> rocky rooty twisty parts of the trail, whereas the krampus is a frigging 
>> monstertruck that can handle it all like nothing. however, the hunqapillar 
>> is great for riding lite trails on the way to the coffee shop or mountain 
>> touring; it just depends how and where you usually ride. 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 4:35:27 PM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>>
>>> Every since my first Riv (a sam) I have been lusting after a 
>>> Hunqapillar. You guys warned me! You were right!! I already have a fat 
>>> bike, a Surly ICT, I have ridden that bike everywhere and ride it like I 
>>> would a Mountain Bike. On singletrack that is not super technical the ICT 
>>> is a blast to ride. I ride with people on traditional mountain bikes and 
>>> really don't feel like I am giving up much . I am wondering what a Hunq 
>>> would be like riding as a trail bike. Any owners out there who ride it like 
>>> a regular mountain bike? Wondering what your experience have been. Thanks!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Question for Hunquapillar owners

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Thank you everyone! This is really solid advice and was exactly what I was 
looking for. I live in Upstate New York and don't really have an 
opportunity for loaded touring on miles and miles of dirt road. We do have 
some dirt and gravel but my Sam can handle any of that. Most of the 
mountain biking is either rocky and rooty singletrack or smooth flowy 
singletrack. I tend to stick with the latter these days. I think my ICT 
will continue to serve my needs. Thanks again. 

On Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 7:35:27 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Every since my first Riv (a sam) I have been lusting after a Hunqapillar. 
> You guys warned me! You were right!! I already have a fat bike, a Surly 
> ICT, I have ridden that bike everywhere and ride it like I would a Mountain 
> Bike. On singletrack that is not super technical the ICT is a blast to 
> ride. I ride with people on traditional mountain bikes and really don't 
> feel like I am giving up much . I am wondering what a Hunq would be like 
> riding as a trail bike. Any owners out there who ride it like a regular 
> mountain bike? Wondering what your experience have been. Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Question for Hunquapillar owners

[Broccoli Cog]

Every since my first Riv (a sam) I have been lusting after a Hunqapillar. 
You guys warned me! You were right!! I already have a fat bike, a Surly 
ICT, I have ridden that bike everywhere and ride it like I would a Mountain 
Bike. On singletrack that is not super technical the ICT is a blast to 
ride. I ride with people on traditional mountain bikes and really don't 
feel like I am giving up much . I am wondering what a Hunq would be like 
riding as a trail bike. Any owners out there who ride it like a regular 
mountain bike? Wondering what your experience have been. Thanks!

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