[RBW] Re: Is an Atlantis Worth It?

[Bruce Byker James]

I was in a similar situation to you not long ago. I had a heavily 
Rivendell-influenced Fuji touring and a Kona Smoke. Last summer I was able 
to stop by Rivendell and ride a Clem and an Appaloosa. I loved them both 
about the same, except that I'm not crazy about the look of the step-thru 
Clem. I get that it's super practical, but I wanted something I would also 
love to look at. I lock up my bike in the city a decent amount, so it 
couldn't be too flashy. I had some unexpected money, but not very much, so 
the Appaloosa was out of range. I started paying close attention to the 
used market, came across a Clem H in my size and purchased it in March. I 
LOVE it! 

Without the unexpected money, I definitely would have kept enjoying the 
bikes I already had, but the Clem leveled-up my bicycle riding joy and so 
far it's made me spend more time riding.

 - Bruce

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 9:04:12 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> YES, you should get one. It's a lovely bike and capable of so many things. 
> If you want to be able to go from road to gravel and wherever you want you 
> should get this bike!
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:44:35 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> First: I realize I am asking this to an entirely biased group of people 
>> and I'm okay with that!
>>
>> For years I have casually dreamed of owning an Atlantis. I commute 4 
>> miles each way by bike, ditched my car a few years ago, and love riding, 
>> but I do it pretty casually. I'm not racing or doing endurance rides. I 
>> just like riding my bike and I do it whenever I can. 
>>
>> I don't need the nicest bike in the world and have been fairly satisfied 
>> with my 1988 Schwinn Cimarron that I've made a fair approximation of a poor 
>> man's rivendell (somewhat out of date pic below!). However, I've always had 
>> the itch to upgrade.
>>
>> Recently, I received an unexpected influx of cash and want to spend it on 
>> something fun. I'm wondering: how much will I noticeably appreciate the 
>> difference an Atlantis would bring if I were to spend the money? I'm 
>> especially interested in the input from those who have gone from the 80s 
>> era rigid MTB with swept back bars that approximate a Riv (and Grant's 
>> ethos from Bridgestone) to the real deal. Was it worth the money? Do you 
>> think you could have gotten by on that 80s frame?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Max
>>
>

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[RBW] FSOT: Nitto Boscomoose Handlebar 540mm

[Bruce Byker James]

For Sale: Nitto Boscomoose 540mm - $140 plus shipping (or pick up in 
Philadelphia)

Pictures Here 
<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1oaG_mmS2hJLT5GoUW9Gs6chpV7_6wDpS?usp=share_link>

Would consider partial or complete trade for the following:

   - 60mm Nitto Faceplater stem or similar (needs to have removable 
   faceplate, 60mm extension, and allow for at least 120mm of stem showing) 
   - Pair of Gravelkings SK+ 650B x 48 or similar - somewhat worn is okay, 
   prefer black
   

Thanks,

 - Bruce

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rack(s) for Clem

[Bruce Byker James]

I have the Axiom Journey on my Clem. I only had to spread the legs a little 
to get them on the outside of the seat stay bosses, but I like that 
suggestion to put them on the inside. It's really sturdy, especially on the 
Clem. I've used it for probably 50 lb. of groceries pretty easily.

If I were buying this rack again, I noticed they now make one with the 
spring on top:
https://www.axiomgear.com/products/racks/journey-racks/journey-with-spring/

 - Bruce

On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 10:12:02 AM UTC-4 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have the pletscher clem rack which is great (the mousetrap thing is 
> surprisingly useful, it can hold a basket in place) and an Axiom rack (I 
> think it's called streamliner) that is pretty lightweight. 
>
> One thing I do is put bolts for the lower legs of the rack on the inside 
> of the seatstay bosses which prevents the rack legs from having to spread 
> really wide.
>
> mike
>
> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:48:20 AM UTC-5 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Igor -
>>
>> I have some Arkel panniers for sale with a pair of f/r Old Man Mountain 
>> racks for $500.00, plus shipping. If you do not want the racks, I will 
>> gladly sell the panniers separately for $300.00, plus shipping.
>> I have the tent pouch and fanny pack that are included in the sale. If 
>> you don't want the tent, that is fine. 
>>
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/bop/d/yelm-arkel-r-panniers-with-old-man/7737089803.html
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 6:33:33 AM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Ian. I have a few racks for my Clem L (52) that I quite like. 
>>> First is a Riv “Shiny” rack. It is very sturdy/rigid and supports panniers 
>>> nicely. I have also used it as a saddlebag support. I also have a Nitto R10 
>>> for bag support. It works great & is beautiful. Perhaps a bit against the 
>>> grain I also use a Tumbleweed “T rack”. I have used this as a front rack on 
>>> the Clem & a rear rack on my Gus. It is unique in that it has three bolt 
>>> mounts built in to the vertical struts. I mount King many things caves and 
>>> use fork bags. I mount a Wald basket to the platform. It works great & 
>>> certainly would be a good large handlebar bag support.
>>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 19, 2024, at 9:04 AM, ian m  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have one of the Pletscher rear racks Riv sold as the "Clem rack" if 
>>> you're interested. Has the removable pannier rails.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-4 Igor wrote:
>>>
>>>> What racks do folks like for their Clem? I am selling my campee racks 
>>>> because they are not a good fit on the wider-dropouts of a Clem, and I'd 
>>>> like something simpler for rear.
>>>>
>>>> 1 for my wife, 1 for me (We both will have a Clem soon...orange one 
>>>> coming for me :D )
>>>>
>>>> I am looking at the RB14 and also the Rivendell Big Rack. I'm probably 
>>>> OK with just a saddle bag, and she may want panniers, so I figure the Big 
>>>> Rack for her, but maybe some other options out there to consider?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: For Sale: 53cm Black Mountain Cycles Monster cross Disc

[Bruce Smitham]

[image: MCD 9.jpg]

I used the Brooks saddle for my other bike so installed a just fine 
Bontrager and lowered the price to $1,700 with updated photos


On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 6:10:25 PM UTC-7 Bruce Smitham wrote:

> For Sale: 53cm Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross Disc complete bike in 
> California Gold. Great condition but just not using it Some minor scuffs 
> from installing racks. Uncut steerer tube, Raceface crankset 170mm (I also 
> have 175mm if you prefer) with 36T Absolute Black chainring,1 x 11, 160mm 
> Shimano Deore Hydro disc brakes, Shimano XT 11 speed rear derailleur and 
> shifter and 11-46 cassette, DT Swiss 350 700c tubeless wheelset with solid 
> tires, 710mm Jones Carbon loop handlebars & Kraton grips, Paul stem, Brooks 
> C-17 saddle and VP 001 pedals. Asking $1,800 plus shipping CONUS or free 
> local pick up in San Diego. Thanks, Bruce

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Re: [RBW] Hattiesburg MS Riv Ride

[Bruce Herbitter]

 Thanks for the suggestion!  

On Friday, April 21, 2023 at 11:20:29 AM CDT, Lyman Labry 
 wrote:  
 
 HelloI cycled LongLeaf Trace last month in a loop that included backroads  
through Laurel. You might try Bandits BBQ in Sumrall on the trail.Lyman 
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 8:54 AM Fullylugged  wrote:

A couple of us unracers have hit upon 5/20/23 as the date for a relaxed pedal 
on the Longleaf Trace from Hattiesburg, MS. A coffee/etc stop will definitely 
be available somewhere along our way.  Company is certainly welcome. We haven't 
confirmed the start time, but will. If weather looks like an issue, we will 
discuss a re-schedule date.
Tailwinds!Bruce


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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Bruce Herbitter]

Hi Ryan:I share your inclinations on RBW designs. My 1st Riv was a Rambouillet in 2006. The Ram was conceived of as a successor to the Long Low and mine continues to be a great riding bike.  I next got a Saluki but decided it really wasn’t for me and re-sold it. My 3rd Riv was a Road prototype and I still have that one also. It is a regular Waterford Road front geometry with a level TT and standard HT mated to a slack angle / longer chainstay GP style rear layout and it rides great. Has the neat original Sachs designed lugs and Reynolds 753 frame set. It’s plenty light and fast but comfortable too.  BruceSent from my iPadOn Nov 13, 2022, at 11:34 AM, Ryan  wrote:Definitely proto-Riv...somewhere around Ted Durant and Mr. Moore ...1993 X0-1 that I still have, 1997 A/R and 2001 LongLow influenced Curt Goodrich Road...but veering into swoopy with 2016 custom mixte which I ordered with less ornate lugs than the Glorius and Wilbury models.I get why Riv moved to TIG-welding for Clems and Roadinis ...but my heart is firmly attached to lugs, although...if I was more of a utility cyclist , I'd definitely consider one of the Clems. But, shopping is within walking distance so a Clem is not really required. I do applaud Grant's move to keep the durability and good design hallmarks of Rivendell while making them  more affordable, however.  Before I retired my 73/74 single-speed Peugeot PX-10 or my X0-1 were my daily commuters...so to speak to the visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/40dd5cf0-9772-41c7-9a3e-89925a958892n%40googlegroups.com.



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[RBW] Re: FS: Rene Herse Umtanum Ridge Tires 27.5 x 2.2 Endurance Plus (dark tan)

[Bruce Smitham]

These tires are sold- thanks

On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 11:26:54 AM UTC-7 Bruce Smitham wrote:

> For Sale: 2 New In Package Rene Herse Umtanum Ridge Tires 27.5 x 2.2 
> Endurance Plus (dark tan) that I purchased including shipping for $209.10 
> from Rene Herse. I'd like to get $175 plus a few bucks for shipping CONUS. 
>
> Thanks, Bruce in San Diego. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Bike rack

[Bruce Baker]

1 up usa best rack going tried them all yakima, kuat, thule...1 up usa
hands down

On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:30 AM katherine Evanskbe 
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> Looking for recommendations to haul my Cheviot?
>
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Re: [RBW] 26” to 650c on Rambouillet

[Bruce Herbitter]

Patrick:
I took the original comment on the bar as a positive. The angled inverted 
mustache bars are nice for a senior citizen back. The Walnut studio grip has 
held up well.  As to other observation of “so many things wrong,” that seems to 
violate the list rules of etiquette. I’ll leave it to the moderator to opine 
there. The bike has about 17k miles on it and most have been really nice ones.

My point was just to share that the wheel size works if you need it.  While 26” 
tires are around in the 28 - 32 size this bike was made for, road wheels (other 
than custom builds) are getting scarcer in that size.  Brake bridge location 
was at times an issue on this model. I’m not extolling it as the next big thing.

Ymmv

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 15, 2022, at 1:29 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> Alas, the selection of tires available for the 650C size was miniscule in 
> 2015, and may be less than miniscule now, and those available were mostly 23 
> mm models, tho' I think Terry made a rather heavy 28 mm model. Tho' the 
> selection of good road-capable 559 tires is small, it's a heckofalot bigger 
> than that for 571.
> 
> There's only about 1/4" radial difference between 559 and 571 sizes: my 650C 
> wheels with 23 mm Pro Races measured about 24.5" in diameter, my 559 wheels 
> with 23 mm Turbos measured 24" in diameter. Past tense for both.
> 
> Patrick Moore, who still has a small stash of Sun ME14A 650C rims waiting for 
> the time when BQ introduces its full line of 571 tires, from 26 mm to 60 mm 
> in smooth and knobby models.
> 
> And, yes, that bar. So, so many things wrong. (But if the rider found it the 
> best solution to needs, and this is not merely a desperate attempt to make an 
> unrideable bike rideble, more power to him/her.)
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 8:07 AM Fullylugged  
>> wrote:
>> In the course of work on another bike, a set of 650c (571mm) wheels became 
>> surplus. Just to see, I tried them on my 52cm Rambouillet. The 50 and 52 Ram 
>> sizes are built for 26” (559mm) wheels. And yes they fit just fine.  Plenty 
>> of room to adjust the brake pads on the stock Tiagra Calipers Riv shipped on 
>> the bikes.  In case you need wheels and 26” road selection is too limited, 
>> you can look at this size too.
>> 
>> Still Fullylugged…..
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[RBW] Re: FS: Compass, Sackville, Rockgeist, B, Schawalbe etc....

[Bruce Smitham]

Last update for a bit- Compass tires, Sackville Trunksack, Saddle and Dyno 
tail light are sold. Everything else is still available. Hit me up with an 
offer before I leave for Europe next Monday. Cheers, Bruce 

*1 (new in package) Schwalbe G One Allround 27.5 x 2.8 Raceguard TLE tire 
$55 + $10 shipping. Note- I may remove from package before shipping)*
*1 (new in package) Bontrager XR2 Team Issue 27.5 x 2.6 TLR tire $40 + $10 
shipping*
*1 new Rockgeist Horton front pouch Coyote Sunrise $65 + $10 shipping*
*1 (new in package) Platypus Hoser 2.0L Ultralight reservoir *

Best to text me at 310-968-6910 for quicker response.

Thanks, Bruce in San Diego

On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 8:08:09 AM UTC-7 Bruce Smitham wrote:

> Update- Saddle and Dyno tail light are sold. Everything else is still 
> available. Hit me up with an offer before I leave for Europe next Monday. 
> Cheers, Bruce 
>
> *2 (new in package) Compass Antelope Hill Extralight 700 x 55mm tires $145 
> + $10 shipping*
> *1 (new in package) Schwalbe G One Allround 27.5 x 2.8 Raceguard TLE tire 
> $55 + $10 shipping. Note- I may remove from package before shipping)*
> *1 (new in package) Bontrager XR2 Team Issue 27.5 x 2.6 TLR tire $40 + $10 
> shipping*
> *1 new Rivendell Sackville Trunksack small grey $85 + $10 shipping*
>
> *1 new Rockgeist Horton front pouch Coyote Sunrise $65 + $10 shipping*
> *1 (new in package) Platypus Hoser 2.0L Ultralight reservoir *
>
> Best to text me at 310-968-6910 for quicker response.
>
> Thanks, Bruce in San Diego
>
> On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 5:01:24 PM UTC-7 Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
>> For sale are a few bike items from a weekend garage cleanup. Prices do 
>> not include shipping CONUS- just message me for a quick price: 
>>
>> 2 (new in package) Compass Antelope Hill Extralight 700 x 55mm tires $145 
>> + $10 shipping
>> 1 (new in package) Schwalbe G One Allround 27.5 x 2.8 Raceguard TLE tire 
>> $55 + $10 shipping. Note- I may remove from package before shipping)
>> 1 (new in package) Bontrager XR2 Team Issue 27.5 x 2.6 TLR tire $40 + $10 
>> shipping
>> 1 new Rivendell Sackville Trunksack small grey $85 + $10 shipping
>> 1 new Busch & Muller Dyno Toplight includes wire $40 + $6 shipping
>> 1 new Rockgeist Horton front pouch Coyote Sunrise $65 + $10 shipping
>> 1 Bontrager Sport saddle in excellent condition $25 + $10 shipping
>> 1 (new in package) Platypus Hoser 2.0L Ultralight reservoir 
>>
>> Best to text me at 310-968-6910 <(310)%20968-6910> for quicker response.
>>
>> Thanks, Bruce in San Diego
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Compass, Sackville, Rockgeist, B, Schawalbe etc....

[Bruce Smitham]

Update- Saddle and Dyno tail light are sold. Everything else is still 
available. Hit me up with an offer before I leave for Europe next Monday. 
Cheers, Bruce 

*2 (new in package) Compass Antelope Hill Extralight 700 x 55mm tires $145 
+ $10 shipping*
*1 (new in package) Schwalbe G One Allround 27.5 x 2.8 Raceguard TLE tire 
$55 + $10 shipping. Note- I may remove from package before shipping)*
*1 (new in package) Bontrager XR2 Team Issue 27.5 x 2.6 TLR tire $40 + $10 
shipping*
*1 new Rivendell Sackville Trunksack small grey $85 + $10 shipping*

*1 new Rockgeist Horton front pouch Coyote Sunrise $65 + $10 shipping*
*1 (new in package) Platypus Hoser 2.0L Ultralight reservoir *

Best to text me at 310-968-6910 for quicker response.

Thanks, Bruce in San Diego

On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 5:01:24 PM UTC-7 Bruce Smitham wrote:

> For sale are a few bike items from a weekend garage cleanup. Prices do not 
> include shipping CONUS- just message me for a quick price: 
>
> 2 (new in package) Compass Antelope Hill Extralight 700 x 55mm tires $145 
> + $10 shipping
> 1 (new in package) Schwalbe G One Allround 27.5 x 2.8 Raceguard TLE tire 
> $55 + $10 shipping. Note- I may remove from package before shipping)
> 1 (new in package) Bontrager XR2 Team Issue 27.5 x 2.6 TLR tire $40 + $10 
> shipping
> 1 new Rivendell Sackville Trunksack small grey $85 + $10 shipping
> 1 new Busch & Muller Dyno Toplight includes wire $40 + $6 shipping
> 1 new Rockgeist Horton front pouch Coyote Sunrise $65 + $10 shipping
> 1 Bontrager Sport saddle in excellent condition $25 + $10 shipping
> 1 (new in package) Platypus Hoser 2.0L Ultralight reservoir 
>
> Best to text me at 310-968-6910 <(310)%20968-6910> for quicker response.
>
> Thanks, Bruce in San Diego
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Photos and details of my 1995 Riv Road Standard build

[Bruce Herbitter]

I use Banjo Bros bags on mine.  Carradice  did not survive long in strong sun. 
The RBW kevens bag did better but not great.   Black Rose gave good service and 
looked nice but holds too little. Ymmv

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> On May 5, 2022, at 10:36 AM, Adrianna T  wrote:
> 
> Now for the million dollar question.. what handlebars and saddlebags would 
> you all recommend? I know there are other conversations about Carradice bags, 
> but I don’t know anything about bags that would fit this type of bike or era.
> 
>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 6:03:53 PM UTC-7 Fullylugged wrote:
>> Very nice build.  As a fellow '95 Road rider, I share your enthusiasm for 
>> this bike's riding characteristics.  26" was used by RBW a couple of times 
>> to get better geometry in smaller size frames. It works. Hope you enjoy many 
>> miles on yours!
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 7:52:32 PM UTC-5 Adrianna T wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> Back in January I came across a custom Riv Road Standard that I didn't know 
>>> anything about, other than that it was being sold by Joe Breeze (to raise 
>>> funds for his bicycling museum).
>>> 
>>> A bunch of you here helped to spec it out and that helped me feel confident 
>>> enough to buy it.
>>> 
>>> After several months, I finally have a bike!
>>> 
>>> (The delay was largely around waiting for parts to show up, with this 
>>> supply chain and all).
>>> 
>>> Here's what I ended up with. Photos attached.
>>> 
>>> - Nitto Randonneur 25.4 400mm
>>> - Gran Compe 202 Non Aero Brake Levers, Drilled
>>> - Nitto Fillet FacePlater Quill stem
>>> - Dia-Compe ENE Down Tube Shifters
>>> - Rene Herse Double Crank 46-30 - 171mm
>>> - MKS Monarch pedals
>>> - Velo Orange 32 hole silver front and rear hubs
>>> Velocity A32 32 hole polished rims 
>>> - Shimano 105
>>> - Microshift 11-36
>>> - 26″ x 1.25″ Elk Pass Tires
>>> - Dura Ace 
>>> 
>>> Thanks to Scenic Routes (community bike center in San Francisco), and this 
>>> community here, for the input and advice. It rides like a dream and I am 
>>> really, really happy with it.
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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Sackville Trunksack Small grey

[Bruce Smitham]

For sale is a new Rivendell Sackville Trunksack Small grey that I recently 
purchased from Alex Wirth for $115. Perfect bag but unfortunately it just 
doesn't match my other bikepacking style bags. Looking to get $105 plus $10 
shipping which is the same amount I paid. So $115 shipped CONUS. Thanks, 
Bruce in San Diego

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Re: [RBW] How do you track mileage?

[Bruce Baker]

I have been using mapmyride for 12 years and love it...

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 8:42 AM 'mark etze' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I have one version or another of the Cateye's on all my bikes. The only
> thing I am concerned about is total mileage and average speed, sometimes I
> need reminded to pick up the pace so it's nice to have it on the handle
> bar. Transfer that data to the iPhone health app, total it up monthly and
> hand write it in a journal. I usually set a goal each year of how many
> miles I want to ride, so that keeps me motivated to get out more.
>
> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 12:46:59 AM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> My Garmin watch gives me data for the last year via the Garmin Connect
>> app on my phone and they have totals for the last 7 days, 4 weeks and year.
>> All older data I need to access from the cloud if I want to see it.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Mar 3, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>> >
>> > It’s been great hearing about how people are keeping track of miles.
>> From what I’ve gathered, some sort of journal or spreadsheet seems to be
>> the way to keep track of long term data. As far as collecting data, there
>> are many options and pros and cons to all.
>> >
>> > My current method of tracking via GPS watch allows me to see the
>> metrics of individual rides but since I’m not synced to Strava or another
>> service, I’m not easily seeing the grand totals and at this point in my
>> life, that’s all I’m curious about. I used to use a Garmin watch which
>> sends the data to their own service as well as syncing to my Apple iPhone
>> health app. I can look back and see data from individual rides but can’t
>> see the grand totals. Maybe it’s hidden somewhere but I haven’t found it. I
>> now use an Apple Watch which shows all the same data as the Garmin but has
>> the added benefit of asking me if I’m on a bike ride and if I want to track
>> if I forgot to start the watch. This is annoying when I don’t care about
>> tracking. And its annoying when I want to track but forgot to hit start as
>> I’m usually a mile or two in when it senses that I’m on a bike ride. I’d
>> say I track 75% of rides because it’s so easy, why not. I look back at
>> maybe 3% of those rides!
>> >
>> > If I want to see an odometer reading which sounds like fun to me, I
>> need to be diligent about starting and stopping the GPS. The same would go
>> if I were to use a Garmin bike GPS with navigation, etc. These devices are
>> all great but they require diligent starting in stopping which in my
>> experience has always been some sort of failure. (I’ve tracked many a hike
>> only to get in my car and drive halfway home with the watch still
>> tracking.) And if I want to swap one between bikes and know the total
>> mileage for a particular bike, I have to manually log that info which is
>> way more work than what I currently want to put into it.
>> >
>> > Using my iPhone to track with apps like Strava, Ride With GPS, or
>> Cyclemeter (BTW there appears to be two versions of Cyclemeter in the Apple
>> App Store and one is Russian and looks like a rip off of the original)
>> might be the way to go to get tallies. As several folks mentioned they have
>> used these apps to their success. I used to track with my phone and a DIY
>> mount and it was great and not great. Super easy to navigate with maps and
>> receive calls or texts. Not great because I was forced to receive all calls
>> and texts! Most of the time I don’t want to be connected to the outside
>> world when riding. But there are times when it’s inevitable and I guess
>> that’s just the world we live in these days.
>> >
>> > The biggest problem I faced with the phone was that it would overheat
>> in the sun rendering it completely useless until it cooled down. Yes I can
>> start it and toss it in a bag but then it’s chewing through battery. Yes I
>> could use a battery brick but I don’t want to go to all that trouble! I
>> have a beacon light on my Hillborne and I guess I could keep it plugged in
>> to the built in USB charger but again…more effort than I wish to put into
>> all this.
>> >
>> > The simple bike computer is something I haven’t considered in 20 years.
>> I remember how excited I was as a kid in the early 90’s to get one on my
>> bike. I think I only used it to bomb the biggest hill in my neighborhood
>> and see how fast I could go. It was really simple and sparkly
>> blueish-purple to match my Mongoose.
>> >
>> > With all the fancy metrics GPS apps and devices offer, the simple bike
>> computer seems to offer nothing of useful value Tim this day and age. But
>> alas, hearing everyone’s methods has helped me to realize some really
>> strong points. The simple bike computer (which I’ll now call the SBC since
>> I’m typing this on my phone) does something I love—it starts tracking the
>> moment my wheel starts spinning regardless of whether I want it 

[RBW] WTB 55-56cm Rivendell Atlantis

[Bruce Smitham]

Prefer frameset but OK with a full build.

Thanks,

Bruce in San Diego

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[RBW] Re: FS: Black Mountain Cycles MCD (Monstercross Disc)

[Bruce Smitham]

Bumping the BMC MCD- I'll either take a reduced $2,400 for complete bike or 
for the $2,500, I'll throw in the BagsXBird Better Half Framebag with 
magnetic closure as seen in photo.

Thanks, Bruce

On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 8:39:07 AM UTC-8 Bruce Smitham wrote:

> For sale- Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross Disc 53cm (more like 55cm if 
> you see the fit guide- I typically ride a size med-large frame) complete 
> steel bike in California Gold in new to excellent condition. Here is link 
> to manufacturer: https://blackmtncycles.com/tech-info/mcd-frame-tech/ 
> Thru axle 100 x 12 front & 142 x 100 rear. Purchased frame earlier this 
> year. No nicks, scratches or dents. Great bike. Build: Raceface affect 
> crankset 175mm arm length with 36T chainring, Microshift 11 speed shifter 
> and 11-46 cassette, Chris King headset, Ritchey Venturemax XL WCS 
> handlebars, Sram brake levers, Camp and Go Slow handlebar tape, Kalloy 
> stem, Shimano XT M8000 rear derailleur, KMC chain, VP 001 pedals, Bontrager 
> Sport saddle, Easton seatpost, Yokozuna Motoko hydraulic/cable-actuated 
> brakes. Wheelset- DT Swiss 29er XR361 22mm internal width with DT Swiss 350 
> hubs. Set up tubeless with Orange Seal and Rene Herse Oracle Ridge 700 x 
> 48mm tires, 160mm Shimano Ice Tech rotors and Microshift 11-46 cassette. 
> Asking $2,500 complete.
>
> Local San Diego pick up or will box and ship CONUS at buyers expense. Let 
> me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Bruce (310) 968-6910
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[RBW] Re: FS: BagsxBird Piccolo Small Khaki

[Bruce Smitham]

This bag is sold

On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 4:43:55 PM UTC-8 Bruce Smitham wrote:

> For sale: BagsxBird Piccolo Small Khaki bag new and never installed. Won't 
> fit my bike. Comes with everything advertised on their website which has 
> sizing information 
> https://www.bagsxbird.com/product-page/goldback-one-off-bags-in-stock 
> asking $190 plus shipping CONUS or free local pick up in San Diego. Thanks, 
> Bruce

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Bruce Herbitter]

Those are pretty collectible then!

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 28, 2021, at 2:24 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> As Ryan stated there are in fact a few RS-made Rivs out there. Very few. 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
>> On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 11:22:14 AM UTC-8 Fullylugged wrote:
>> Sachs designed the lugs used on the earliest models.  He didn’t make them or 
>> any frames. Waterford was the earliest vendor and as others have noted, a 
>> few other small builders have helped over the years, Nobilette most 
>> recently. Toyo did several frame models for a period of about 5 years, and 
>> Panasonic had one too. Panasonic and Urema did painting in Japan.  Maxway in 
>> Taiwan has been a major supplier of late.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Nov 28, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> I’ve never heard that they used Sachs as a builder. Hasn’t he always had a 
>>> long waiting list?
>> 
>>> 
>>> I think they’ve used a Sachs fork crown or lugs, or maybe he used theirs. 
>>> 
>>>> On Sunday, November 28, 2021, Ryan  wrote:
>>>> Customs...I feel Riv started mixing tubesets(Reynolds/Vitus/Columbus)  and 
>>>> tweaking geometry around 1998 when they were moving away from Waterford 
>>>> and working with Match. I think customs started with Joe Starck in 1999 
>>>> and they added Curt Goodrich around 2000 or thereabouts. My 2000 Road 
>>>> delivered 2001 was a Goodrich frame. With high demand they used other 
>>>> builders , one of them being Richard Sachs. Mark Nobilette has been their 
>>>> sole custom  builder for a long time...but not sure when JS and CG stopped 
>>>> and Nobilette started. 2005 or so?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:13:56 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>> These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and 
>>>>> all this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce, 
>>>>> Keith, and Joel!  I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of 
>>>>> this thing. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom, 
>>>>> prototype, and production from each other. For the builder I am thinking 
>>>>> color-coding. It'll kind of show the Waterford era, into the Toyo era, 
>>>>> back to Waterford a bit more before mostly going MIT. With other builders 
>>>>> sprinkled in of course. Should be a neat effect.  It's worthwhile adding 
>>>>> the start of the official custom program, I expect, as well.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think small at-time-of-order tweaks such as braze-ons and paint choice 
>>>>> will be outside the scope of this infographic - certainly part of the 
>>>>> beauty of Rivs is that they cannot be fully described by such means :D 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:55:02 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>> Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line 
>>>>>> between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early 
>>>>>> Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to 
>>>>>> Grant's ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the 
>>>>>> discussion a custom is any Riv frame where you were able to change a 
>>>>>> spec at purchase time.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>> Nice work, Jason!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I believe the only difference between Road and Road Standard is the 
>>>>>>> LongLow became available, which prompted the original Road model 
>>>>>>> getting a name added to express it as one of two road frames. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As I recall the Mystery Bike was offered and sold to 10 people, I've 
>>>>>>> only ever seen two of them. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>>>>> My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom 
>>>>>>>> Allingham's Flickr):  Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloo

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Bruce Herbitter]

Sachs designed the lugs used on the earliest models.  He didn’t make them or 
any frames. Waterford was the earliest vendor and as others have noted, a few 
other small builders have helped over the years, Nobilette most recently. Toyo 
did several frame models for a period of about 5 years, and Panasonic had one 
too. Panasonic and Urema did painting in Japan.  Maxway in Taiwan has been a 
major supplier of late.  

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> On Nov 28, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:
> 
> I’ve never heard that they used Sachs as a builder. Hasn’t he always had a 
> long waiting list?
> 
> I think they’ve used a Sachs fork crown or lugs, or maybe he used theirs. 
> 
>> On Sunday, November 28, 2021, Ryan  wrote:
>> Customs...I feel Riv started mixing tubesets(Reynolds/Vitus/Columbus)  and 
>> tweaking geometry around 1998 when they were moving away from Waterford and 
>> working with Match. I think customs started with Joe Starck in 1999 and they 
>> added Curt Goodrich around 2000 or thereabouts. My 2000 Road delivered 2001 
>> was a Goodrich frame. With high demand they used other builders , one of 
>> them being Richard Sachs. Mark Nobilette has been their sole custom  builder 
>> for a long time...but not sure when JS and CG stopped and Nobilette started. 
>> 2005 or so?
>> 
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 3:13:56 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>> These are great tweaks, I am updating my draft paper copy as we go and all 
>>> this will be included in the digital version - thanks Joe, Bruce, Keith, 
>>> and Joel!  I'll be sure to credit the RBWOB in the footnotes of this thing. 
>>> 
>>> I'll try to think of a way to graphically represent semi-custom, prototype, 
>>> and production from each other. For the builder I am thinking color-coding. 
>>> It'll kind of show the Waterford era, into the Toyo era, back to Waterford 
>>> a bit more before mostly going MIT. With other builders sprinkled in of 
>>> course. Should be a neat effect.  It's worthwhile adding the start of the 
>>> official custom program, I expect, as well.  
>>> 
>>> I think small at-time-of-order tweaks such as braze-ons and paint choice 
>>> will be outside the scope of this infographic - certainly part of the 
>>> beauty of Rivs is that they cannot be fully described by such means :D 
>>> 
>>>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 12:55:02 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>> Disclaimer added: I'm speaking of strictly production models. The line 
>>>> between "production" and "custom" was always a little fuzzy in the early 
>>>> Waterford days; and even now my "custom Rivendell" hews tightly to Grant's 
>>>> ideas of what a frame should be. For my purposes in the discussion a 
>>>> custom is any Riv frame where you were able to change a spec at purchase 
>>>> time.  
>>>> 
>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>> 
>>>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>> Nice work, Jason!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I believe the only difference between Road and Road Standard is the 
>>>>> LongLow became available, which prompted the original Road model getting 
>>>>> a name added to express it as one of two road frames. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I recall the Mystery Bike was offered and sold to 10 people, I've only 
>>>>> ever seen two of them. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 11:33:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>>> My understanding of the Mystery bike so far (all lifted from Tom 
>>>>>> Allingham's Flickr):  Produced in 2012 (?) as an Appaloosa exploration, 
>>>>>> with the swoopy mid-stays and fabricated by Nobilette. Any idea how many 
>>>>>> were produced, and whether I got my production year right?  And am I 
>>>>>> missing gen 1 Appaloosas, ie did they happen between '12 and '16 when 
>>>>>> the MIT batch rolled in?  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Saturday, 27 November 2021 at 11:14:05 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>>>> Cheers for the feedback! Yeah, it was pretty wild to go from about a 
>>>>>>> 3/10 to a 6/10 overnight on my Rivendell knowledge (still a good ways 
>>>>>>> to go before I'm any sort of expert).  Of course, my "knowledge" is 
>>>>>>> limited to what I've found either in the reader or on the website for 

Re: [RBW] FS- Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross Disc complete

[Bruce Smitham]

Bumping my for sale post in case anyone is interested or knows someone who 
is interested.

On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 7:12:46 PM UTC-7 Bruce Smitham wrote:

> Update: sold the 650b wheelset for this bike so now the complete bike with 
> 29er is still for sale: Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross Disc 53cm (more 
> like 55cm if you see the fit guide)complete steel bike in California Gold 
> in new to excellent condition. Thru axle 100 x 12 front  142 x 100 
> rear. Purchased frame earlier this year. No nicks, scratches or dents. 
> Terrific bike but health reasons force sale. Build: Raceface affect 
> crankset 175mm arm length with 36T chainring, Microshift 11 speed shifter, 
> Chris King headset, Ritchey Venturemax XL WCS handlebars, Sram brake 
> levers, Camp and Go Slow handlebar tape, Kalloy stem, Shimano XT M8000 rear 
> derailleur, KMC chain, VP 001 pedals, Bontrager Sport saddle, Easton 
> seatpost, Yokozuna Motoko hydraulic/cable-actuated brakes. DT Swiss 29er 
> wheelset XR361 22mm internal width with DT Swiss 350 hubs. Set up tubeless 
> with Orange Seal and Rene Herse Oracle Ridge 700 x 48mm tires, 160mm 
> Shimano Ice Tech rotors and Microshift 11-46 cassette. $2,800 for complete 
> bike. Text 310-968-6910 local San Diego pick up or will ship CONUS at 
> buyers expense.
>
>
>
> On Aug 29, 2021, at 8:22 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:
>
> For sale- Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross Disc 53cm (more like 55cm if 
> you see the fit guide)complete steel bike in California Gold in new to 
> excellent condition. Thru axle 100 x 12 front & 142 x 100 rear. Purchased 
> frame earlier this year. No nicks, scratches or dents. Choose the wheelset 
> you want in either 29er or 650b or get both that work perfect and no 
> adjustments necessary for $3,500. Great bike but health reasons force sale. 
> Build: Raceface affect crankset 175mm arm length with 36T chainring, 
> Microshift 11 speed shifter and 11-46 cassette, Chris King headset, Ritchey 
> Venturemax XL WCS handlebars, Sram brake levers, Camp and Go Slow handlebar 
> tape, Kalloy stem, Shimano XT M8000 rear derailleur, KMC chain, VP 001 
> pedals, Bontrager Sport saddle, Easton seatpost, Yokozuna Motorola 
> hydraulic/cable-actuated brakes. Your choice of wheelsets for $2,800 or 
> $3,500 for both complete sets that swap out easily with no adjustments 
> necessary. 
>
> 1.) Hunt 650b Adventure Sport Asymmetric 25mm internal width set up 
> tubeless with Orange Seal with Schwalbe G-One Bite 2.1” tires and Shimano 
> Ice tech 160mm rotors and Microshift 11-46 cassette.
>
> 2.) DT Swiss 29er XR361 22mm internal width with DT Swiss 350 hubs. Set up 
> tubeless with Orange Seal and Rene Herse Oracle Ridge 700 x 48mm tires, 
> 160mm Shimano Ice Tech rotors and Microshift 11-46 cassette.
>
> Local San Diego pick up or will box and ship CONUS at buyers expense. Let 
> me know if you have any questions- here is my craigslist add that has 
> photos 
> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/san-diego-black-mountain-cycles/7373023517.html
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[RBW] FS- Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross Disc complete

[Bruce Smitham]

For sale- Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross Disc 53cm (more like 55cm if 
you see the fit guide)complete steel bike in California Gold in new to 
excellent condition. Thru axle 100 x 12 front & 142 x 100 rear. Purchased 
frame earlier this year. No nicks, scratches or dents. Choose the wheelset 
you want in either 29er or 650b or get both that work perfect and no 
adjustments necessary for $3,500. Great bike but health reasons force sale. 
Build: Raceface affect crankset 175mm arm length with 36T chainring, 
Microshift 11 speed shifter and 11-46 cassette, Chris King headset, Ritchey 
Venturemax XL WCS handlebars, Sram brake levers, Camp and Go Slow handlebar 
tape, Kalloy stem, Shimano XT M8000 rear derailleur, KMC chain, VP 001 
pedals, Bontrager Sport saddle, Easton seatpost, Yokozuna Motorola 
hydraulic/cable-actuated brakes. Your choice of wheelsets for $2,800 or 
$3,500 for both complete sets that swap out easily with no adjustments 
necessary. 
1.) Hunt 650b Adventure Sport Asymmetric 25mm internal width set up 
tubeless with Orange Seal with Schwalbe G-One Bite 2.1” tires and Shimano 
Ice tech 160mm rotors and Microshift 11-46 cassette.

2.) DT Swiss 29er XR361 22mm internal width with DT Swiss 350 hubs. Set up 
tubeless with Orange Seal and Rene Herse Oracle Ridge 700 x 48mm tires, 
160mm Shimano Ice Tech rotors and Microshift 11-46 cassette.

Local San Diego pick up or will box and ship CONUS at buyers expense. Let 
me know if you have any questions- here is my craigslist add that has 
photos 
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/bik/d/san-diego-black-mountain-cycles/7373023517.html
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who likes the original Atlantis?

[Bruce Herbitter]

Doing some interwebs reading over a lunchtime sandwich, it seems most people 
side with Bill. Lugs are apparently stronger, and possibly prettier, and they 
are easier to do a tube replacement with, but tube size, frame geometry, wall 
thickness and tube alloy are more where the stiffness enters in.  YMMV 

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> On Aug 5, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> Fullylugged said about lugs:  " It's not the look, it's the livelier action 
> you get in a lugged frame, I think"
> 
> That's a pretty hot take.  I wonder how many others feel the same way?  The 
> vast majority of folks attribute "liveliness" and "deadness" to tubing specs: 
>  tubing that flexes more is more lively.  Tubing that is stiffer is more 
> dead.  The prevailing theory lumps thick walled OS diameter tubing bikes into 
> the 'dead' camp, and thinwall, standard diameter tubing into the 'lively' 
> camp.  Personally, I have a bunch of bikes with standard diameter thin wall 
> tubing and a bunch of bikes with OS tubing, and I don't think of any of them 
> as being more dead than the others.  
> 
> Yours is the first take I've seen attributing 'liveliness' to the lugs, or 
> that tig-welds will make an otherwise lively frame become dead.  
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 4:29:12 PM UTC-7 Fullylugged wrote:
>> 
>> Bill wrote, " It does not have the lugged look if you need that look".
>> The Salsa and the Crust are welded frames. It's not the look, it's the 
>> livelier action you get in a lugged frame, I think.  A Rawland Norvindian 
>> felt dead underneath me, and so did a LHT.  My fullylugged Ram and Road OTOH 
>> are lively (as are my other 2 fully lugged steel bikes. An old Nashbar by 
>> Maruishi and a Waterford).  I'd take a Toyo Atlantis in a heartbeat if one 
>> came along in my size.  or an AR for that matter. 
>> No disrespect to the original color, but that new mermaid color is the bomb 
>> and I'd gladly use it for my next paint job.  
>>> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 2:31:39 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>>> The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living in 
>>> Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I 
>>> thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that 
>>> original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my 
>>> size.
>>> I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with some 
>>> of these aspects from those first runs:
>>> The color (of course)
>>> Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone)
>>> 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool with 26' in 
>>> all sizes)
>>> 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a hair bigger 
>>> in the large sizes)
>>> Clearance for 2in tires with fenders
>>> Who else would sign up for one?
>>> What other aspects would you like?
>>> 
>>> Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville,
>>> 
>>> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] Nigel Smythe Small Trunksack

[Bruce Baker]

Have a Pic?? I'm interested

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>
> Bag is still available.
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> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> Switching to a larger bag, so this one needs a new home. Nice condition,
> with just enough beausage. No rips or tears.  Clean but not pristine. $80
> shipped in the USA.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS - Rivendell Rambouillet

[Bruce Herbitter]

The green was my favorite color, but only the blue was made in the smaller 
sizes I need.  I still have my first year Riv Road. (The Road has a level TT, 
the Road Standard has an upslope TT.).  It is a wonderful bike and gets most of 
the miles. I converted it to 650B so I can get 38 mm tires in.  It is quicker 
handling than the Ram is and I truly enjoy whichever one I am on.  Congrats on 
your acquisition.   I know whoever gets the green Ram in this original thread 
is going to love it too.

Bruce

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> On Jul 7, 2021, at 2:09 PM, David Hallerman  wrote:
> 
> 
> Reading posts kvelling over the Rambouillet delights me for a special new 
> reason - I’m the very lucky guy who bought the NOS 56cm Ram frameset that 
> Gerard Gunhouse sold here less than a fortnight ago.
> 
> As someone who owned an original Waterford-built Riv Road Standard, bought 
> during the company’s first year, and regrets selling it a few years ago, this 
> new and perhaps better chance (fatter tires are better) at Riv All-Roadism - 
> in perfect emerald green no less! - is a source of unexpected joy.
> 
> I’ll post some photos as the build goes along. And thanks again Gunner, 
> you’ve been a great gentleman across the whole process of my buying your 
> absurdly well-packed and well-preserved backup Rambouillet. Did I mention the 
> bike is GREEN?
> 
> Dave, who is intent on beaucoup beausage for his new Ram to counter a core 
> reason he sold his original Riv Road which had to do with some kind of 
> preservation but hey you know life is short
> + + + + + + + +
> Hudson Valley NY
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 11:13 AM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
>> A quick scan back through the last year or so brings up some listings for 
>> built Rams in the $1500 range. 
>> Green frame would likely have been ~2007-2009 - that was the last color 
>> option. 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 8:08:50 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>> It's weird to think of folks not knowing the Rambouillet... but, that was a 
>>> few years ago now.
>>> Here's info on it and a scan of the booklet - 
>>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/index.html
>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 5:23:43 PM UTC-7 rtan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Want to sell this bike.  Top tube - 20", seat tube - 22", wheelbase - 40"
>> 
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Re: [RBW] FS: RAMBOUILLET (56CM) GREEN LATE PRODUCTION

[Bruce Baker]

Gerarard,
If not sold I want to buy it and my offer is $1150.00 and I will pay for
shipping...
Bruce

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 12:15 PM Gerard Gunhouse 
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>
>- NEW IN THE BOX HAS NEVER BEEN BUILT UP INTO A COMPLETE BIKE
>- SHIMANO BOTTOM BRACKET UN55 (113)
>- INCLUDES NEW STRONGLIGHT DELTA HEADSET
>- HONJO FENDER SET (NEW)
>- SERIAL# RB1100
>- 1100.00 PLUS ACTUAL S/H CHARGES
>- PROFESSIONALLY PACKED
>- SEE PICTURES IN FLICKR ATTACHMENT
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Re: [RBW] Re: For 22 years I've continually been surprised and repeated thrilled by my Road Custom

[Bruce Herbitter]

I’m also a fan of earlier Riv ride and handling. I have a ‘95 Waterford made 
pre production sample for the road. It has lovely French curve forks of 531 
while the frame is 753. Quick Waterford steering geometry and slack seat tube 
and long chain stay comfy Riv ride.  It’s still my main bike.

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> On Apr 28, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
> 
> 
> Patrick,
> Rob mentioned to me the compliance of the fork on his Road custom. How does 
> the fork on your '99 compare to the others, especially the Mathews, since you 
> said mentioned the tires evening things out. Would a smaller tire reduce 
> pneumatic trail? I'll have to draw myself a picture. Is the compliance of the 
> fork blades similar?
> 
> Paul in AR
> 
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:56:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> Robert: Lovely bike, well set up. Please post further posts about your 
>> riding experiences. 
>> 
>> Those early/earlier Rivendell road bikes seemed to have a magic combination 
>> of straightline stability and cornering agility and, from what I read, 
>> subsequent models exhibit the same qualities. In addition to 3 Riv customs, 
>> I also owned a first-gen Sam and a 2nd-gen Ram. Both were notable for that 
>> elusive mix of safe sedateness and eager turn-in (tho' I found the Sam too 
>> vague on steep uphills with weight in the rear). 
>> 
>> My 1999 Joe was a weird custom. My first Riv Road custom, early 1995m was a 
>> 26" wheel frame built by Waterford around the original Rivendell All Rounde, 
>> long story, but with angles tightened (for moral uplift) and road tubing and 
>> crown and lugs; frame tout 753 with 531 fork IIRC. It was nice. Nice as it 
>> was, the 1999 Joe Starck was a noticeable improvement; and it came about 
>> like this. My brother gave me a fixed-conversion Schwinn Tempo in 1997, and 
>> I so fell in love with fixed drivetrains that I talked to Grant about a 
>> fixed custom after the manner of the 1995 Riv/Waterford custom. He said, in 
>> effect, "Well, I guess you know what you want", and the result was the 
>> purposely stripped 1999 gofast also built for 26" wheels but with much 
>> longer chainstays (44.5 vs 42.5), and slacker head (72 vs 73, IIRC) to 
>> compensate for the lighter (compared to 700C) 26X 22 mm and 32 mm wheels. As 
>> nice as the 1995 was, the 1999 showed a very distinct in handling: as quick 
>> to turn as you could want, but without even the vestigial twitch of the 1995 
>> when was shod with 559 X 22 mm Specialized 26 X 1 Turbos. I rode it for over 
>> 15 years with 571/650C Grands Prix and Pro Race 22 mm tires until Rene Herse 
>> put their 28 mm 26" Elk Pass on the market.
>> 
>> The 2003 Curt Goodrich Riv Road custom was a derailleur version of the 1999 
>> Joe, and the 2020 Chauncey Matthews is an idiosyncratic adjustment of the 
>> Curt for less stout tubing, more-or-less integrated fenders and racks, and 
>> accomodation for the shifting bits for a Sturmey Archer medium ratio "club" 
>> 3 speed AM hub.)
>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 8:32 PM Robert Dowtin  wrote:
>>> I have excitedly waited all week to add to this wonderful thread. Thank 
>>> you, Patrick. So Last week I was fortunate enough to pick up nearly an 
>>> identical frame as yours. We believed initially that it was a Road Standard 
>>> that was Waterford made. I was very wrong. It's a Joe Starck w/ Joe Bell 
>>> paint, serial#JS0499 apparently made in February. I finished putting her 
>>> all together and I am not sure what else I can say that you all haven't 
>>> already. Just an amazing bike. I never could have imagined...and the Phil 
>>> Wood hubs...yeah. Speechless. So obviously I happen to be damn close in 
>>> size to whomever had this beauty made originally, it is absolutely 
>>> perfectly my size. Here's a couple of pics I shot today when I got back 
>>> from her maiden voyage. Thanks to everyone that helped out getting this and 
>>> the Quickbeam put together so quickly..
> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 9:38:16 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
> I've asked myself that, since I've also felt similar if not equal 
> qualities with other bikes. For the ease of rolling/maintaining a gear, I 
> can't say that it is "planing" only because at least 1 of these bikes was 
> rather stout-tubed; another uses thinwall but OS tubing, and I had 1 
> lightweight 531 racing bike that didn't feel the same way. It's not 
> weight, since the other 2 nice rolling bikes were quite heavy. It's not 
> geometry only because the 2003 Curt was almost identical to the '99 Joe, 
> and the 2 other nice rolling bikes (2015 Matthews RBFD and Herse) 
> had/have very different geometry. Ditto for postion, as all my bikes 
> except the Monocog are set up much the same.  
> 
> I don't know! But the experience reliably repeats -- with the 1999, since 
> April 1999 -- so it's not all in my head. 
> 
> The feel of the 1999 is a combination of 

[RBW] Re: FS: Ergon ST Gel saddle medium-large

[Bruce Smitham]

The Ergon is gone (sold)! 

On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 10:17:20 PM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Email sent.
> On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 4:24:48 PM UTC-7 Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
>> For sale: Ergon ST Gel saddle medium-large in new condition. I mounted 
>> for my wife but she never rode. Asking $45 plus shipping conus or free 
>> local pick up in San Diego. Thanks, Bruce
>>
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[RBW] Re: Dark Realm Wald 137 Basket Bag black

[Bruce Smitham]

The bag is sold- thanks

On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 7:41:34 AM UTC-7 Bruce Smitham wrote:

> For sale: Dark Realm Wald Basket Bag black in excellent condition. Mounted 
> and used 1 time. No stains or spills and never got wet from rain. Fits Wald 
> 137 basket 14” wide x 9” deep x 18” tall but rolls down to height of 
> basket. Insulated/padded and water resistant 1680D exterior fabric with 
> durable high-vis pack cloth liner fabric. Adjustable buckles to attach to 
> basket or any racks. Roll top closure and internal handles to carry as a 
> bag. $90 plus shipping conus or free local pick up in San Diego. Thx, Bruce
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Bruce Herbitter]

I have inverted mustache bars on my Ram.  Looks nice and feels good .

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> On Apr 15, 2021, at 10:16 PM, brendonoid  wrote:
> Inverted Billie Bars! Solves the reach problems I had with moustache bars 
> but still gives me that lovely forward hooks position that makes moustache 
> bars so great. 
> 
> On Friday, 16 April 2021 at 10:15:50 UTC+8 David Hays wrote:
>> Very nice Brendon. What bars are those?
>> Thanks. 
>> David
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 15, 2021, at 10:02 PM, brendonoid  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> I finally got all my parts for my 'Picnic Bike' build and managed to get it 
>>> all together last weekend. Only done a few short test rides and cannot wait 
>>> to ride it all this weekend! So excited!
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Bruce Herbitter]

I ordered wheels with Velocity A23 rims for my Rivendell Road from Universal 
Cycles.  They were in stock and and my custom spec order took about a week to 
lace up and ship to me.

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> On Apr 2, 2021, at 12:18 AM, Nathan F  wrote:
> 
> I've got a 55 in the Lime-Olive headed my way! 
> 
> Unfortunately my rims are ~8 weeks out, which'll mean putting the frame on 
> ice for a bit until they come in. Sure wish I ordered those sooner! I'll do a 
> full build post once I'm all done. In the meantime, I'm excited to see what 
> people who aren't named Leah have to say about the bike, though I can confirm 
> her enthusiasm helped me pull the trigger.
>> On Thursday, 1 April 2021 at 19:20:49 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>> Lol, you guys. A high compliment. But does this mean I’m also to blame for 
>> the shortage? Double-edged sword...
>> 
>> It’s a great bike. A bike that is so beautiful and so smart that it could 
>> sell itself. Congratulations, Rivendell! You have a winner. Let’s hope 
>> another batch is in the works. 
>> 
>> Anyone else remembering that Rivendell had Platy forks that they were making 
>> into a Rosco model identical to the Platys? Hope is not lost! 
>> Leah
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 1, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Haha, I was half-surprised when I found the website had not crashed at 
>>> 12:05.  And I would put a bet that at least 10% of the sales were a direct 
>>> result of Leah's enthusiasm for the bike!  
>>> 
 On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 4:45 PM David Lipsky  wrote:
 Not a bit, nooo! She’s too busy grinding out miles with hers!
 
 I picked up a small order at RBWHQ yesterday and asked Will if their 
 server might melt down today and he said something to the effect of: 
 ‘Yeah, probably.’
 
 8^}
 
 David
 
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 4:22 PM, dougP  wrote:
>> 
> 
> Could Bicycle Belle Ding Ding have anything to do with the enthusiasm for 
> this bike?  
> 
> dougP
> 
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 12:23:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Have we ever seen anything like this? Does anyone remember a bike 
>> selling this quickly?
>> 
 On Apr 1, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
 
>>> That was pretty nuts. 60s remain at the moment 
>>> 3:01 50cm mermaids sold out
>>> 3:03 50cm lime olive sold out
>>> 3:05 55cm mermaid sold out
>>> 3:07 55cm lime olive sold out 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:15:41 PM UTC-4 upyou...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
 Heather Hayes, my receipt said the same thing.  I wanted the MERMAID 
 but it auto purchased the Lime/Olive.  We'll see what happens.  I 
 clicked as fast as I could on the dot!
 
 
> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:10:20 PM UTC-4 Heather Hayes wrote:
> I clicked purchase on the 50cm in Mermaid, but my receipt says 
> Lime-Olive. :/ If anyone had the opposite problem, please let me know 
> if you'd like to trade! :) 
> 
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:06:10 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> When I was chatting to James & Grant about mine they said I could do 
>> a 50 or a 55. My PBH is 81cm, 5'7", ride a seat at 72cm.
>> 
>> You might be in luck.
>> 
>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:03:49 PM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi 
>>> wrote:
>>> oh my... 50-cm Platypus Mermaid is sold out before 3:02pm (EDT). I 
>>> missed out... 
>>> 
 On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:43:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
 Your wish appears to have been granted. The Platypus page now says 
 $1650. 
 
 
> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 7:12:03 AM UTC-7 Jonny P wrote:
> Or as my brain wakes upmaybe the price hike is an April 
> Fool's joke? Wishful thinking?
> 
> Jonathan P.
> Seattle, WA
> 
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 7:10:36 AM UTC-7 Jonny P wrote:
>> While I still think $1800 is a very fair price, I think the 
>> reasoning in the last minute change is a bit suspect. Grant's 
>> Blahg has said since 3-4 weeks ago that they knew frames would 
>> cost more than other models, hence the $1600 price tag vs $1500 
>> because the Platypii cost an extra $100 to make. 
>> 
>> From Platy Page:
>> 
>> "It costs $100 more than our other lugged bikes, because it 
>> costs us about $80 more. For that $100, at least for this first 
>> run, we include a wonderful DVD on the platypus, filmed 
>> (naturally) in Australia by an award winning duo of biologists 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Bruce Herbitter]

There is always a buzz of excitement when RBW introduces some new thing. Models 
come and go regularly. As GP notes, Platypus is the 4th Mixte model they’ve 
rolled out. (Wilbury/Glorius, Betty Foy/Yves Gomez, Cheviot are the others). 
When the idea of extending the top tube as chain stays or adding stays to a 
middle tube (think Hunqapillar) was first suggested, RBW wasn’t sure if they 
liked it and asked for opinion.  I think the decision to adopt it has resulted 
in a string of nice looking frames. Really though, ALL their frames have been 
nice looking and nice riding too. Looks like they’re sold out of all models of 
their bikes at the moment.

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> On Apr 1, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Jingy  wrote:
> 
> My guess is shipping costs are way up in the last three months.
> I don't need a Platy, I don't need a Platy, I don't need a Platy...
> 
> Jim
> 
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:12:03 AM UTC-5 Jonny P wrote:
>> Or as my brain wakes upmaybe the price hike is an April Fool's joke? 
>> Wishful thinking?
>> 
>> Jonathan P.
>> Seattle, WA
>> 
>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 7:10:36 AM UTC-7 Jonny P wrote:
>>> While I still think $1800 is a very fair price, I think the reasoning in 
>>> the last minute change is a bit suspect. Grant's Blahg has said since 3-4 
>>> weeks ago that they knew frames would cost more than other models, hence 
>>> the $1600 price tag vs $1500 because the Platypii cost an extra $100 to 
>>> make. 
>>> 
>>> From Platy Page:
>>> 
>>> "It costs $100 more than our other lugged bikes, because it costs us about 
>>> $80 more. For that $100, at least for this first run, we include a 
>>> wonderful DVD on the platypus, filmed (naturally) in Australia by an award 
>>> winning duo of biologists and platypus-lovers."
>>> 
>>> But, I do know in the current supply chain environment that import 
>>> taxes/tarriffs are surprising some brands causing them to bump up the 
>>> price. Also, with the pent up demand of the bike world and RBW in 
>>> particular, I am sure these will rightfully all be sold today! 
>>> 
>>> Jonathan P.
>>> Seattle, WA
 On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 6:35:05 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
 Today’s the day! I’m headed to work but I’ll be checking every chance I 
 get! Good luck, all!
 
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>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 5:42 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>> 
> I am not purchasing a Platypus but it's 8:42 AM here on the east coast 
> and I'm already white-knuckling the frame release. 
 
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 7:17:43 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>> Note posted on Riv’s website last night:
>> NOTE: The Platypus frames cost $1,800. We've known that and talked about 
>> it for several weeks now, but due to a cloning error, until Wed Mar 31 
>> 8:40 p.m., they were listed at $1,600. Our bad, but we are not able to 
>> sell them that cheap, and if you hate us you'll insist. They cost us 
>> considerably more than a Sam, Homer, etc...
>> 
>> The nearly last-minute correction is not strategic. We're on your side, 
>> and we ask for your understanding. Thanks. Grant
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 7:45:26 PM UTC-4 Hetchins52 wrote:
>>> Add two half-700c wheels which are about 28” in diameter (depending on 
>>> tire volume). So, 47.25” + 28” = 75.25”
>>> Or 6’ 3.25” for the 55cm bike
>>> 
>>> David Lipsky 
>>> 
> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:28 PM, Leah Peterson  
> wrote:
> 
 I can tell you the wheelbase (which is what you’ll need to know, 
 right?) of my 55 cm is approx. 47 1/4 inches. Not sure what a 60 would 
 be but Philip sounds like he knows how to figure it out!
>>> 
 
 
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>> On Mar 31, 2021, at 1:09 PM, Emily Guise  wrote:
>> 
> Does anyone know how long the Platypuses will be? I was trying to 
> figure out if the 60cm size would fit within the Amtrak bike 
> dimensions for roll-on service, which is 70" x 41" x 8.5". I couldn't 
> find the info on the Riv site. 
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021 at 9:28:20 AM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald 
>> wrote:
>> The bike looks good in its element.
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>> Amen, Philip. And thanks! 
>>> 
>>> The winds died down this evening and I made it out for 12 or 13 
>>> miles and this is what all the PlatyPeople have to look forward to. 
>>> Look at that luscious silhouette. Coming soon.
>>> 
>>> Two more days, my friends...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Philip Barrett 
>  wrote:
> 
 Weight does 

Re: [RBW] Re: Personal Experiences Request.

[Bruce Herbitter]

Hello Hugh:

The A23 is narrow for a 55 to sit well, I think. It’s also shallow compared to 
the cliffhanger. The Atlas might actually be one for you to consider with 55 
tires.

Bruce

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> On Feb 4, 2021, at 5:30 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Bruce,
> 
> And thanks for the info. Do you think the A23's would handle a 55mm tire 
> well? 
> 
> Hugh
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 2:47 AM Fullylugged  wrote:
>> Prowheelbuilder.com has the silver color Shimano 105 (R7000) rear hub for 
>> $61 and front for $36.  105 is a longer tested product than V-O, if you can 
>> live with a non polished finish, and the price is certainly right.  I built 
>> a 650B set with these hubs and Velocity Synergy rims.  More recently I 
>> bought a set of wheels with A23 rims and like them so far.  I have 38mm 
>> tires on both wheelsets. A third wheelset has the polished White Ind hubs 
>> and Synergy wheels and 32mm tires. All of them ride just fine. 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 2:34:54 AM UTC-6 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>> Ben,
>>> 
>>> You don't sound argumentative and I appreciate your opinion.
>>> 
>>> Is that article online? If it is, I'd appreciate a link, I'm curious to 
>>> read Jan's opinion on this matter. I was expressing someone else's belief 
>>> which I think I mentioned. I have had various experiences with larger tires 
>>> and depending on the rim and psi I've felt the tire roll or collapse on 
>>> cornering. Probably user error, running too low of a tire pressure. I've 
>>> had 2.1 thunder burts on a 23mm rim and 2.8 and 3.0's on a DT Swiss 40mm 
>>> rim and on my AHH I ran Velocity A23's with numerous tires from 38 to 42mm. 
>>> As far as the Pacenti rims I think my buddies opinion was simply the j hook 
>>> that holds the bead on isn't a good as say the HED's but good god $165 per 
>>> rim. I actually like the look of the Pacenti rim. Although I can't recall 
>>> where I heard this but they were difficult to set up tubeless? I may be 
>>> wrong on this matter. If you have first had experience with the Pacenti I'm 
>>> happy to listen/hear.
>>> 
>>> Best, 
>>> 
>>> ~Hugh
>>> 
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 11:31 PM Ben Miller  wrote:
>>>> Hi Hugh,
>>>> 
>>>> Sounds like you know what you are after in terms of rim size, and yeah as 
>>>> you found I think you're choices in silver are limited. 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not trying to argue or change you're mind, but I am going to offer a 
>>>> counterpoint to anyone else you is following this thread. Jan of Bicycle 
>>>> Quarterly has opinion that rim width on larger tyres doesn't effect 
>>>> handling. He has a brief section in his recent book on this very subject 
>>>> called "rim width and cornering" that includes a compelling (to me) 
>>>> example. And, from my own experience, I have 60 mm wide tyres on Velocity 
>>>> Dyads which have an internal width of 18.6 mm.
>>>> 
>>>> Everyone has their own experiences and preferences, which is one of the 
>>>> best things about building up bikes because you get to express that. I'm 
>>>> sure you'll be happy with you're piece of mind on wider rims! Best of luck.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:29:32 PM UTC-8 Weston Hein wrote:
>>>>> The wheelset on my Clem is built from the previous generation VO touring 
>>>>> hubs (same manufacturer?)  laced to Cliffhangers. I've run 2.35 G-One 
>>>>> speeds and 55mm Antelope hills on them and both tires set up very easily 
>>>>> tubeless using velocity rim tape. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm really happy with the hubs- they feel really smooth and have minimal 
>>>>> resistance when spinning them in the stand. I'd rate the free hub as 
>>>>> medium loudness. It's not a hub noise that I would "notice" as being 
>>>>> unusually loud if that makes sense. No high pitched buzz or anything that 
>>>>> makes you focus on it. But it's definitely not Shimano quiet. I did quiet 
>>>>> it down some using some Dumonde Tech free hub grease but the effect wore 
>>>>> off and I stopped reapplying it as the hub noise doesn't really bothe

Re: [RBW] Re: Leah Peterson Takes A Stand

[Bruce Herbitter]

George:

 I got a rack bar to carry my wife’s step through bike on our car trunk rack.  
It also works great. To put her bike in my stand, acting like a top tube.  
Under $20 iirc.

Bruce

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> On Jan 25, 2021, at 11:44 AM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that's true - I have a problem lifting bikes like that, too.  If I'm 
> working on one of my road bikes it's not as much of an issue because I clamp 
> around the top tube and all I have to do is lift the bike up onto the clamp.  
> But if I'm doing maintenance on the dual-boinger Trek MTB literally the only 
> place it can be clamped is around the seat post.  I have a Park PCS-4 work 
> stand so I can easily lift the upper part of it out of the lower support, 
> which enables me to place the clamp around the seat post and adjust it to the 
> right amount of tension.  Then, I put it back, swivel the clamp around so 
> it's pointed down at an angle where I'm lifting the bike up with the front 
> wheel still on the ground in order to clamp the post.  Having done that, I 
> can lift the front of the bike with one hand and swivel it back toward level 
> and tighten the swivel clamp with the other.  It's still a PITA, though, 
> compared to clamping around the top tube.
> 
> 
>> On Monday, January 25, 2021 at 10:49:16 AM UTC-6 Linda G wrote:
>> Ana,
>> I'm sure you are not the only one who has difficulty manipulating a 25 
>> (or more) pound bike with one hand while working a seatpost clamp with the 
>> other. I can do it but my back does not like it. I have an older Ultimate 
>> Support  stand with a clamp that is at a fixed height but it does rotate. I 
>> turn over a tall plastic bucket and place it under where the front wheel 
>> will be when it is in the stand. Then I place the front wheel of the bike on 
>> the bucket and lift the rear of the bike up to the clamp and tighten it. 
>> Then I take out the bucket and rotate the clamp to level the bike. When I'm 
>> done working I rotate it again so that the front wheel is at bucket height. 
>> It's not a perfect system but it does make the lifting easier and stabilize 
>> the bike while I work the clamp .
>> Linda
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 8:00:58 AM UTC-8 Ana Candela wrote:
>>> Hi Leah,
>>> 
>>> I am currently selling my two bike stands: one is the one Riv sells (about 
>>> 2 years old); the other, a Feedback mid range model (about 6-8 years old?). 
>>> I'm selling them locally because shipping would be a downside (I would 
>>> think at least $40),  but I'm open to negotiation. They're both great, but 
>>> I'm selling because I need a third hand to set my bike on them, and that's 
>>> something you may want to consider when getting a. stand, whatever model 
>>> you choose. I can't carry my bike with one hand while affixing the clamp 
>>> with the other. I've hurt my bike and myself in the process, and I'm 
>>> looking for a different kind of stand, but apparently it doesn't exist yet, 
>>> unless I want a huge hydraulic stand for e-bikes. Why can't they make a 
>>> version of a car/moped jack for bikes? Way cheaper and even way less 
>>> cumbersome.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, if you're interested, I can send pics.
>>> 
>>> -Ana
>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 7:04:27 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Ok, that got your attention. 
>>>> 
>>>> I’m not actually taking a stand so much as BUYING a stand. I have had it 
>>>> with trying to work on a bike on its kickstand. Tonight I tried to put 
>>>> sealant in my tire and the tire deflated and my Clementine tipped over. 
>>>> Hopping mad...that would be an apt description of me in the garage 
>>>> tonight. I’m sick and tired of wrecking my back and fed up with the 
>>>> awkwardness of working on a bike that is always threatening to tip over. 
>>>> I’m taking a stand against not having a stand.
>>>> 
>>>> I know Rivendell sells a stand but last I checked, it is sold out and also 
>>>> $$$. Is there anything that makes their stand worth waiting for? 
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t have many preferences, save two: I don’t want something that takes 
>>>> up a bunch of room, and I want the clamp to be on the seat post. (Not the 
>>>> frame.)
>>>> 
>>>> You’re the best!
>>>> Leah
>>>> 
>>>> 
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[RBW] Bridgestone CBO City Bike 53 cm for sale

[Bruce d]

Available for local pickup in SF Bay Area.  It is being sold by a friend.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-bridgestone-cb0-city-bike/7241278301.html

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Re: [RBW] Cycling in cold

[Bruce Baker]

I don't think it is necessarily the temp but the wind chill or heat index.
I'll ride down to a wind schill of 40 deg F and below a 100 deg F heat
index...
At the lower temps I usually layer at the higher temps no layering needed...
Bruce

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 5:27 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> About 25*F this morning when I left for church. I ride down to the upper
> teens, if sun is bright enough and winds are light enough; this is,
> generally, low humidity cold: 40*F in Atlanta is worse, worse worse than
> 25* in Albuquerque.
>
> But this was one of those mornings when your oil turned to sludge
> (slushbucket Sturmey Archer AM hub), your brake blocks rubbed, your Rene
> Herse supple casings turned into thick-sidewalled studded knobbies, and
> there was a headwind from every quarter. My quads burned at the slightest
> rise.
>
> So what. This is what. I'm curious about: (1) how cold do you ride?
> Meaning, tell us the lowest temperature you will ride in. (2) Do you find
> you need more energy to maintain warmer-weather benchmarms? (3) Tell us
> about bike or style or clothing or other adaptations for cold (I know this
> is open to interpretation, but let's define it as sub 32*F) weather?
>
> One parting shot, an obersvation: The pit zips I had put into a cycling
> shell are one of the best investments I've made for cold weather cycling.
> This morning, I rode outbound in merino crewneck (dressy weight), Ibex wool
> vest, and Leatt shell with pit zips closed and placket zipped to chin Came
> home at 38*F with ditto, but placket open a bit and pit zips fully open;
> big comfort.
>
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> ---
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Ortlieb Top Tube Frame Pack in excellent condition.

[Bruce Smitham]

This bag is sold

On Friday, October 9, 2020 at 7:13:42 AM UTC-7 Bruce Smitham wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> Yes it is. 
>
> Bruce Smitham
> 310-968-6910 <(310)%20968-6910> 
>
>
>  
>
> On Oct 9, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Eric Peterson  wrote:
>
> Is item still for sale?
>
>
> --Eric
>
> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 1:19:08 AM UTC-5 Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
>> Bump the bag
>>
>> On Monday, September 7, 2020 at 3:54:48 PM UTC-7 Bruce Smitham wrote:
>>
>>> For sale- Ortlieb Top Tube Frame Pack in excellent condition. Used a few 
>>> times. $95 plus shipping CONUS or free local pick up in San Diego. 
>>> Call/text 310-968-6910 <(310)%20968-6910> thanks, Bruce
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Ortlieb Top Tube Frame Pack in excellent condition.

[Bruce Smitham]

Hi Eric,

Yes it is. 

Bruce Smitham
310-968-6910 


 

> On Oct 9, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Eric Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Is item still for sale?
> 
> --Eric
> 
>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 1:19:08 AM UTC-5 Bruce Smitham wrote:
>> Bump the bag
>> 
>>> On Monday, September 7, 2020 at 3:54:48 PM UTC-7 Bruce Smitham wrote:
>>> For sale- Ortlieb Top Tube Frame Pack in excellent condition. Used a few 
>>> times. $95 plus shipping CONUS or free local pick up in San Diego. 
>>> Call/text 310-968-6910 thanks, Bruce
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[RBW] Re: FS Ortlieb Top Tube Frame Pack in excellent condition.

[Bruce Smitham]

Bump the bag

On Monday, September 7, 2020 at 3:54:48 PM UTC-7 Bruce Smitham wrote:

> For sale- Ortlieb Top Tube Frame Pack in excellent condition. Used a few 
> times. $95 plus shipping CONUS or free local pick up in San Diego. 
> Call/text 310-968-6910 <(310)%20968-6910> thanks, Bruce
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[RBW] Re: FS Microshift M110 1 x 11 speed dual control shift/brake levers (left and right) and Microshift RD M865M XCD 11 speed rear derailleur

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Microshift is sold
On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 7:26:58 AM UTC-7 Bruce Smitham wrote:

> How about $130 plus $8 shipping CONUS for this mini Microshift groupset? 
>
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:45:59 AM UTC-7 Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
>> Microshift M110 1 x 11 speed dual control shift/brake levers (left and 
>> right) and Microshift RD M865M XCD 11 speed rear derailleur. Mini groupset 
>> in great condition. Some small scratches on the right shift lever and even 
>> smaller on the rear derailleur from moving in and out of garage but just 
>> cosmetic- everything works perfect. See photos. Looking for $150 plus $8 
>> shipping CONUS or free local pick up. Thanks, Bruce in San Diego
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS Microshift M110 1 x 11 speed dual control shift/brake levers (left and right) and Microshift RD M865M XCD 11 speed rear derailleur

[Bruce Smitham]

How about $130 plus $8 shipping CONUS for this mini Microshift groupset? 

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:45:59 AM UTC-7 Bruce Smitham wrote:

> Microshift M110 1 x 11 speed dual control shift/brake levers (left and 
> right) and Microshift RD M865M XCD 11 speed rear derailleur. Mini groupset 
> in great condition. Some small scratches on the right shift lever and even 
> smaller on the rear derailleur from moving in and out of garage but just 
> cosmetic- everything works perfect. See photos. Looking for $150 plus $8 
> shipping CONUS or free local pick up. Thanks, Bruce in San Diego
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Re: [RBW] Platform bike racks, again

[Bruce Baker]

1up usa is the only way to goI have had Yakima, thule and Kuat 1 up usa
wins nole contentdre

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 6:02 PM Lucky  wrote:

> I've read a few of the conversations about best platform rack for hitch,
> but to be honest, my head is spinning! Just when I think I have narrowed
> down what to get, I run into another issue with the rack for one reason or
> another.
>
> SO, who is using *which* platform rear rack for bikes with front racks and
> baskets? I was just about to buy the Thule rack and then it occurred to me
> that the hook over the wheel might not work with my bikes, all but my son's
> have a front rack and basket.
>
> The One Up looks nice?
>
> I need to carry four bikes on the back as I can no longer lift them to the
> rooftop. And don't want to scratch up my nice Riv and Riv-adjacents.
>
> Thanks for any advice!
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[RBW] Re: FS Shimano SL M8000 XT 11 speed right shifter

[Bruce Smitham]

Shifter is sold

On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> Shimano SL M8000 XT 11 speed right shifter in great condition. Some thumb 
> wear on the color. $35 plus $7 for shipping conus or free local pick up. 
> Thanks, Bruce in San Diego
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 26" Road Wheelset

[Bruce Herbitter]

Thanks Mark.  I got a DM from another interested party so we’ll see if this one 
takes before I hop over to the Ibob list.

The blue run of Rams had 50 & 52 cm frames that take 26” wheels only.  Mine is 
a 52cm.

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> On Sep 4, 2020, at 6:49 AM, Mark Roland  wrote:
> 
> 
> If you are on the iBob list, someone posted a WTB 26" wheels recently. I was 
> not aware the Rambouillet took 26" wheels. Maybe the smallest frame?
> 
>> On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 6:44:14 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>> The potential buyer found my reply in his spam folder after he bought 
>> another set, so these are still available.
>> Thx
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Tumbleweed Mini Pannier rear rack

[Bruce Smitham]

Sorry Adam it’s sold

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> On Aug 17, 2020, at 7:54 PM, Adam  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'd love to buy this if it's still available. Thanks!
> 
>> On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 6:29:15 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>> FS Tumbleweed Mini Pannier rear rack used on 1 overnight bike camping trip. 
>> $125 plus Shipping Conus. This is the 355mm platform height. Includes both 
>> sets of rack stays that are uncut but a few scratches from where it was 
>> mounted.
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[RBW] FS Tumbleweed Mini Pannier rear rack

[Bruce Smitham]

FS Tumbleweed Mini Pannier rear rack used on 1 overnight bike camping trip. 
$125 plus Shipping Conus. This is the 355mm platform height. Includes both sets 
of rack stays that are uncut but a few scratches from where it was mounted.

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[RBW] Re: FS- Ortlieb bikepacking seat bag large

[Bruce Smitham]

Sold pending payment

On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 4:09:35 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
> I'm reducing the price to $100 plus shipping CONUS for this bag
> 
> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 8:25:07 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:For sale 
> Ortlieb bikepacking seat bag size large. $110 plus shipping conus or free 
> local pick up from San Diego. Used 1 time and in excellent condition. I need 
> the smaller size for my seatpost.
> Thanks, Bruce

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[RBW] Re: FS- Snow Peak Lite Max Titanium Ultra Lite camping stove

[Bruce Smitham]

Sold pending payment

On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 4:09:07 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
> I'm reducing the price to $40 plus shipping CONUS for this stove
> 
> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 8:32:15 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:Snow 
> Peak Lite Max Titanium ultra lite camping stove in excellent condition. 
> Weight is less than 2 oz. $45 plus shipping conus or free local pick up from 
> San Diego. Will include the fuel canister if local.

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[RBW] Re: FS- Ortlieb bikepacking seat bag large

[Bruce Smitham]

I'm reducing the price to $100 plus shipping CONUS for this bag

On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 8:25:07 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> For sale Ortlieb bikepacking seat bag size large. $110 plus shipping conus 
> or free local pick up from San Diego. Used 1 time and in excellent 
> condition. I need the smaller size for my seatpost.
>
> Thanks, Bruce
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[RBW] Re: FS- Snow Peak Lite Max Titanium Ultra Lite camping stove

[Bruce Smitham]

I'm reducing the price to $40 plus shipping CONUS for this stove

On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 8:32:15 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> Snow Peak Lite Max Titanium ultra lite camping stove in excellent 
> condition. Weight is less than 2 oz. $45 plus shipping conus or free local 
> pick up from San Diego. Will include the fuel canister if local.

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[RBW] Re: FS- 2 new Kenda Flintridge PRO 700x45 tubeless ready tires

[Bruce Smitham]

Tires are sold 

On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 8:16:39 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
> For sale 2 new Kenda Flintridge PRO 700x45 tubeless ready tires. New and 
> never mounted. 
> 
> $75 plus shipping CONUS

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[RBW] FS- Snow Peak Lite Max Titanium Ultra Lite camping stove

[Bruce Smitham]

Snow Peak Lite Max Titanium ultra lite camping stove in excellent condition. 
Weight is less than 2 oz. $45 plus shipping conus or free local pick up from 
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Bruce Herbitter]

Typo of course. I meant to type “Hillborne” was the economy version of Homer.

How many figured that out?

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> On Jul 27, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Erik Wright  wrote:
> 
> I've very curious to see the geo of the upcoming run of Sams. To your point, 
> Homer and Sam are both MIT and I'm curious if geo will be the differentiating 
> factor (Sam keeping the "short" chainstays) or if they'll be like MIT 
> Atlantis / Joe A where the differences are negligible. Honestly I'm just 
> wondering if Grant was worn down by all the bemoaning over long chainstays 
> and chose to keep the Sams as-is (or as-was). I think I'd be surprised to see 
> a 2020 Sam without lengthened chainstays.
> 
> Here's a photo of my Roadini as it sits in the office this morning. I swapped 
> in the Dia Compe downtubers this morning before my ride to work and am still 
> experimenting with stem length, hence the nude bars.
> 
> Erik, Philly
> 
>> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 1:33:14 PM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>> Homer was conceived as a MIT less expensive alternative to Homer/Saluki.   
>> Capability wise, they are about the same.  They do fire roads and light to 
>> medium tours well. They are capable on roads but not pure road bikes.  Now 
>> both are MIT.  Not sure why both still appear. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
 
>>> Thanks Rich, I do recall your post, I was just hoping for additional 
>>> detail from the two or three (including yourself) who've made similar 
>>> comments. Basically I am trying to understand how crazy it would be to own 
>>> both (swap my lighter roadie parts to the Homer, and rebuild the Sam to 
>>> more of a touring setup), or, conversely, how the Homer would stand up 
>>> against "Road+" type bikes. 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I weighed my Sam, 27.5 lbs as it sits (while the Clem is 34 lbs with all 
>>> bags removed.. heh)
>>> 
> On Sunday, 26 July 2020 at 15:56:16 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
> Jason,
> 
> I posted this on July 14 related to a question about the Roadini.
> 
> . . .MIT Homer - Lightest of the three. Now this is only a guess based on 
> past observations from others on the list - the Homer and the Roadini 
> frames weigh about the same. No doubt about it, the Homer rides lighter 
> and snappier than my Sam and Atlantis. Note: for comparison my Homer and 
> Sam have identical builds and geometry.
> 
> MIT Sam - Handles a good bit like the Homer but its stoutness makes it 
> more akin to the Atlantis. In my experience what sets it apart from the 
> Atlantis are the 650b wheels and the angles.
> 
> Update!  Homer weight 27lbs. Sam weight 30lbs. Both bikes with metal 
> fenders and smallish handlebar bags. Hope this is helpful.
> 
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 1:33:48 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
>> Add me to the list of people who are very curious about the Homer / Sam 
>> comparison.  I have always thought of them as riding pretty similar, but 
>> never ridden an MIT Homer. I use my Hillborne as my road bike that I 
>> often ride with friends on modern performance road bikes. I know it's 
>> overbuilt for the purpose but I do like the comfort and versatility. 
>> Keeping up is sometime tough though, but I'm probably more to blame than 
>> the bike. 
>> 
>>> On Friday, 1 February 2019 at 11:29:13 UTC-8 Adam Leibow wrote:
>>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i 
>>> love lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Bruce Herbitter]

Homer was conceived as a MIT less expensive alternative to Homer/Saluki.   
Capability wise, they are about the same.  They do fire roads and light to 
medium tours well. They are capable on roads but not pure road bikes.  Now both 
are MIT.  Not sure why both still appear. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Rich, I do recall your post, I was just hoping for additional detail 
> from the two or three (including yourself) who've made similar comments. 
> Basically I am trying to understand how crazy it would be to own both (swap 
> my lighter roadie parts to the Homer, and rebuild the Sam to more of a 
> touring setup), or, conversely, how the Homer would stand up against "Road+" 
> type bikes. 
> 
> I weighed my Sam, 27.5 lbs as it sits (while the Clem is 34 lbs with all bags 
> removed.. heh)
> 
>> On Sunday, 26 July 2020 at 15:56:16 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>> Jason,
>> 
>> I posted this on July 14 related to a question about the Roadini.
>> 
>> . . .MIT Homer - Lightest of the three. Now this is only a guess based on 
>> past observations from others on the list - the Homer and the Roadini frames 
>> weigh about the same. No doubt about it, the Homer rides lighter and 
>> snappier than my Sam and Atlantis. Note: for comparison my Homer and Sam 
>> have identical builds and geometry.
>> 
>> MIT Sam - Handles a good bit like the Homer but its stoutness makes it more 
>> akin to the Atlantis. In my experience what sets it apart from the Atlantis 
>> are the 650b wheels and the angles.
>> 
>> Update!  Homer weight 27lbs. Sam weight 30lbs. Both bikes with metal fenders 
>> and smallish handlebar bags. Hope this is helpful.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 1:33:48 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
>>> Add me to the list of people who are very curious about the Homer / Sam 
>>> comparison.  I have always thought of them as riding pretty similar, but 
>>> never ridden an MIT Homer. I use my Hillborne as my road bike that I often 
>>> ride with friends on modern performance road bikes. I know it's overbuilt 
>>> for the purpose but I do like the comfort and versatility. Keeping up is 
>>> sometime tough though, but I'm probably more to blame than the bike. 
>>> 
 On Friday, 1 February 2019 at 11:29:13 UTC-8 Adam Leibow wrote:
 hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
 rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i 
 love lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
 
 
 
 
 
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[RBW] Re: FS Oveja Negra Superwedgie framebag large slate grey

[Bruce Smitham]

The bag is sold

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 5:48:28 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> New Oveja Negra Superwedgie Frame Bag- large in slate grey. Purchased on 
> their sale or super seconds for $83 from original $100 price. Nothing wrong 
> with it and never installed. $65 plus $5 shipping CONUS or free local pick 
> up. Thanks, Bruce in San Diego

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[RBW] Re: FS- 2 Maxxis Rambler 700 x 40mm folding tubeless ready tires

[Bruce Smitham]

These tires are SOLD

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 5:09:05 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
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> For sale 2 Maxxis Rambler tires 700 x 40mm silk shield folding tubeless 
> ready in good or fair condition. Plenty of life left in them. Has some 
> sealant residue. $20 plus shipping CONUS. Buyer pays any paypal fees. 
> Thanks, Bruce

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Bruce Curry]

I did the 3 tubes with clear coat for $50 less 10% coupon. There were several 
other options but I didn't need all the extra gloves/sandpaper/etc. Some of the 
other oranges looked a little closer on the ap but the c5 was recommended. When 
it arrives I'll repost so all of the other creamsicle Rams can get their orange 
on. 

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[RBW] Re: Orange Ram Touchup Paint

[Bruce Curry]

Just pulled the trigger in the Lamborghini Huracan Orancio Borealis C5C5 
touch-up paint from Touch-up as others have mentioned. Will let you know 
how it looks when it is received.   See link below.  

https://touchupdirect.com/touch-up-paint/lamborghini/huracan/#pf-year=all=111820=jar
  
 Leave the year blank.  Good luck!  Bruce 


On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 2:27:49 AM UTC-7, Nick Payne wrote:
>
> If you take the frame to a paint store, they should be able to scan it and 
> produce a matching colour paint, though it will just be plain and not 
> metalflake. Alternatively, see if you can find some orange metalflake nail 
> polish that's a close match. I found some blue metalflake nail polish that 
> is a good match for the paint on my Romulus, and I touch up any scratches 
> through to the bare metal with that.
>
> Nick
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Ergon, Jones, Wolf Tooth and Continental

[Bruce Smitham]

Everything is sold- thanks 

>
> For sale are new bike items in case you're interested. Prices do not 
>> include shipping CONUS or free local pick up in San Diego.
>>
>> *SOLD* Ergon GS1-L black $20
>>
>> *SOLD* Jeff Jones saddle take off $20
>>
>> *SOLD* Wolf Tooth B-Rad System Pump Bag $25
>>
>> *SOLD* Continental Race 28 (700c X 25-32) 42mm presta valves inner tubes 
>> X 2  $5 each or $8 for both
>>
>> Thanks, Bruce
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Bruce Herbitter]

Nifty summary Edwin, missing the Road and Road Standard bikes of ‘94-98.   Long 
time RBW followers know that if you see something you like, buy it.  EVERYTHING 
gets replaced after a short while due to a number of constraints. Some long 
term projects like Atlantis keep the name but the new version is not like the 
former one.  Similar for clothes, saddles, parts, etc.

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> On Jun 10, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Edwin W  wrote:
> 
> 
> Doug, looking at Marty's awesome google doc, it looks like:
> 1994-1998: 6 - All Rounder, Mountain Expedition, Long Low, Cyclo Cross, Heron
> 1999-2003: 5 - Atlantis, Rambo, Quickbeam, Romulus, Redwood
> 2004-2008: 6 - Saluki, Glorius, Wilbury Bleriot, AHH, Legolas
> 2009-2013: 7 - Bomba, Sam, Roadeo, Simpleone, Betty Foy, Yves Gomez (really 
> one bike), Hunqa
> 2014-2018: 8: Joe A, Cheviot, Clem, Rosco, Hubbu, Roadini, Frank Jones, Gus
> 
> So, I guess there is a slight trend toward new models. I don't think you can 
> say Betty and Yves are different models and Clem and Clementine are the same.
> 
> Edwin 
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 8:16:38 AM UTC-5, Doug Hansford wrote:
>> I've not been a Rivendell consumer and fan for as long as many of you, just 
>> about 4 or 5 years. Does Grant usually come out with new frame designs every 
>> year or two or has he been stepping it up lately with more offerings?
>> Doug Hansford
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 9:00:19 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>>> Yes, it's more road oriented than the Hillibikes, with shorter front 
>>> center, more bb drop. I think it's hard to judge the aesthetics of the 
>>> joints with the snapshot we have--those shadows don't help. Still, I don't 
>>> see a problem with it, and for road riding it gives plenty of extra 
>>> clearance. I like that it's not the same as the Hilli in that regard, 
>>> though there is the rumor that potentially significant changes could be 
>>> made.
>>> 
>>> Also looks like different fork. Hoping it will be tig-welded, or, as the 
>>> Hillibikes were first conceived, some of both (but that seems unlikely). I 
>>> just bought a Susie, so not flush, but I would buy a $900 f/f  tig version* 
>>> when it comes out. Just because it looks cool, and I know the ride will be 
>>> lots of fun. And I probably have all the parts I would need.
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 2:05:42 AM UTC-4, Hetchins52 wrote:
 
> What looks bad to me is the curved top tube of the Gallop joining the 
> seat tube at a significantly higher point than on the Gus/Susie. It 
> almost merges with the seat cluster of the Gallop and that detracts from 
> each element. If you're going to drop the top tube you might as well 
> provide a little more clearance.
  
> How is it different from the Gus/Susie? Tig welding versus fillet 
> brazing? That may allow for a major price break. The Gus/Susie family are 
> now $1800 for a frameset.
  
> Shorter top tube to allow for drops?
  
> And, we don't know if there will be 650b and 700c variants in the size 
> ranges.
 
 David Lipsky
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[RBW] Re: FS: Ergon, Jones, Wolf Tooth and Continental

[Bruce Smitham]

Update. Any reasonable offers on the Jone saddle and Wolf Tooth B-Rad Pump 
Bag accepted. 

>
> For sale are new bike items in case you're interested. Prices do not 
>> include shipping CONUS or free local pick up in San Diego.
>>
>> *SOLD* Ergon GS1-L black $20
>>
>> Jeff Jones saddle take off $20
>>
>> Wolf Tooth B-Rad System Pump Bag $25
>>
>> *SOLD* Continental Race 28 (700c X 25-32) 42mm presta valves inner tubes 
>> X 2  $5 each or $8 for both
>>
>> Thanks, Bruce
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Ergon, Jones, Wolf Tooth and Continental

[Bruce Smitham]

Update:

For sale are new bike items in case you're interested. Prices do not 
> include shipping CONUS or free local pick up in San Diego.
>
> Ergon GS1-L black $20
>
> Jeff Jones saddle take off $20
>
> Wolf Tooth B-Rad System Pump Bag $25
>
> *SOLD* Continental Race 28 (700c X 25-32) 42mm presta valves inner tubes 
> X 2  $5 each or $8 for both
>
> Thanks, Bruce
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[RBW] FS: Ergon, Jones, Wolf Tooth and Continental

[Bruce Smitham]

For sale are new bike items in case you're interested. Prices do not 
include shipping CONUS or free local pick up in San Diego.

Ergon GS1-L black $20

Jeff Jones saddle take off $20

Wolf Tooth B-Rad System Pump Bag $25

Continental Race 28 (700c X 25-32) 42mm presta valves inner tubes X 2  $5 
each or $8 for both

Thanks, Bruce

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of the Roadini

[Bruce Smitham]

I just pre-ordered a 54cm Orange Roadini from Rivendell. I've had only 1 
bike for the last 3 years (Salsa Fargo Ti with Jones bars and Schwalbe 
G-One 27.5 x 2.8 tires) 1 x 11 XT drivetrain and dropper post. I can ride 
it all day long in any terrain and love it. So this is a big deal for me. I 
looked at the Crust Bombora and BMC Road+ but ultimately decided on a Riv. 
Feels good and looking forward to building it up when it arrives.

Bruce in San Diego
On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 6:56:29 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I bought a Roadini frameset a over a year ago and finally got around to 
> building it up during the crisis.  As a father of small children, my time 
> to ride outside of family rides and commuting is limited, so I was hesitant 
> to put money into a road bike.  I couldn't be more glad that I did.
>
> The bike is the most unaggressive-aggressive bike I have owned.  It has a 
> terrific riding position (I have a 90 pbh and bought the 61 to be on a 
> "bigger" bike and it was a good choice), and I feel like I am in the bike 
> as opposed to feeling like a rock in a slingshot.  It does everything a 
> road bike should do, and I don't get off feeling beaten by the road.  
> Anyhow, thanks to Grant for making a bike unlike any other bike brand 
> today.  I'm proud to be a two Riv garage (I have a Hunq also).
>
> Build:
> Nitto Ui-12 31.8 Stem
> Salsa Woodchipper Bars 46cm
> Dura Ace 7400 Cranks (49/39)
> Dura Ace 7700 Bar Ends
> Sram 11-34 9 speed Cassette
> Deore 9 RD
> Sora FD
> Mavic CXP 33s Laced To CK Classics
> Schwalbe One 28s
> Berthoud Saddle
>
>
> I'll get a pic up soon.
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[RBW] Re: 30 Days of Biking!

[Bruce in NW MI]

On my (almost) daily ride. Glen Lake in northwest lower Michigan (near 
Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore).


[image: IMG_0923.JPG]

 


Bruce in MI

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline

[Bruce Herbitter]

There are still enough old timers around to put that together, I’m sure.  What 
it it probably show is that if you see a Rivendell bike you like, it’s better 
to scrape the money together and get one sooner rather than later. Models come 
and models go based on multiple factors.

Tailwinds!

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> On Apr 10, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Raymond Galang  wrote:
> 
> 
> It would be interesting to see a column for when it was retired. (if 
> available)
> 
>> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 11:58:27 AM UTC-7, Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>> A continuing conversation about models, variations, names and resources of 
>> interest related to Rivbike models from 1994 to present day. This 
>> information is subject to change at any time as new information is 
>> discovered and new models introduced. Resources used to develop this 
>> timeline have come from several sources: the Rivendell Reader Archive, 
>> (available on the main page of this group) the BLUG archive, (available on 
>> the Rivendell website) Grant's BLAHG, (available on the Rivendell website) 
>> periodic emails from Rivendell and member/owner recollection. Dates listed 
>> for each model reflect first mention or introduction of the model using it's 
>> production name, not necessarily when it was delivered to owners. Some bikes 
>> took longer to develop and reach owners than others. Variations and overlaps 
>> are endless, so this list only captures each model that was uniquely named 
>> and produced in some quantity. No customs, one-offs, prototypes or 
>> collaborations with other companies are included. (The one exception being 
>> HERON, which set the stage for many of the named Rivbikes to come.) There is 
>> no information about the quantity of each model produced. Some were very 
>> short lived or limited production, others have remained in production for 
>> many years. Likewise, variations in where in the world and by whom each 
>> model was built complicates the timeline. This is a group-sourced database. 
>> Corrections or missing detail fill-ins are welcome. 
>> 
>> 
>> Model   YearRR Issue 
>>BLUG BLAHG
>> 
>> Road19940 
>> 
>> All Rounder   19940 
>> 
>> Mountain Expedition   1994   0 
>> 
>> Long Low   1996   8 
>> 
>> Cyclo-cross1996   8 
>> 
>> Heron 1998  11 
>> 
>> Atlantis   2000  18 
>> 
>> Rambouillet 2001   24 
>> 
>> Quickbeam 2002   27 
>> 
>> Romulus 2002   28 
>> 
>> Redwood200228 
>> 
>> Saluki 2004   35 
>> 
>> Glorius2006   37 
>> 
>> Wilbury   2006   37 
>> 
>> Bleriot 2006   
>> 37 
>> 
>> A Homer Hilsen2006  38 
>> 
>> Legolas   2007   39 
>> 
>> Bombadil 2009   41 
>> 
>> Samuel Hillborne  2009   41 
>> 
>> Roadeo2010   42 
>>   
>> Simpleone2011
>>  December 2010 
>> 
>> Betty Foy 2011   43  
>>March 2011 
>> 
>> Yves Gomez 2011   43 
>> 
>> Hunqapillar   2011   43 
>> 
>> Appaloosa2012
>>January 2012 
>> 
>> Cheviot 2014 
>> 
>> Clem Smith (Clementine)   201544 
>>March 2015 
>> 
>> Roscoe Bubbe  2016 
>> 
>> Hubbuhubbuh2017 
>> 
>> L. Roadini 2017 
>> 
>> Frank Jones Sr. 2018 
>> 
>> Gus Boots-Willsen 2018   
>>September 14, 2018
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RE: Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

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Made In Taiwan. Earlier examples came from Japan or the US. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Lyman LabrySent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:42 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv  What does MIT stand for? On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 7:44 PM Ian Dickson  wrote:I'm a state public health worker, and today was my first day off in a long time. I've wanted an Atlantis since there were Atlantises, and this 56cm MIT frame was just sitting in its box waiting for me to get a few free hours. Kind of slapped it together hastily today and took it for a ride. It's a perfect bike. Really great to ride. Might wind up putting drops on it.   On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 12:29:13 PM UTC-7, Adam Leibow wrote:hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ff1b4780-e9d1-4df9-b726-4d47499d62b5%40googlegroups.com.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/vUScDWCjWaA/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAO8j99BrzXtmTDutoOrgiNHC7AYW9Ok4A37okcJdRz_ZTifs6A%40mail.gmail.com. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Bruce Herbitter]

Hey all.   Homeopathic remedies have no place on this bike list. Specifically 
arguing about it.  Can we please stop posts either way?

I hope the virus crisis passes soon and with as little impact as possible so we 
can all worry about saddle height and if chainstays have gotten too long

Regards to all 

BH  

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> Yeah no, I'm not buying snake oil. 
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RE: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

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Alabama executive order limits gatherings INSIDE closed spaces at 25 and recommends no more than 10.  On our club ride tonight, we had 7 riders, all properly spaced, no touching, spitting, coughing, etc,  it was very enjoyable.  Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Joe BernardSent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 10:11 PMTo: RBW Owners BunchSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World In California - we were already under the Shelter In Place this week in Marin County - it means you can walk and bike alone, and drive to get groceries, gas, takeout food. I've been out there and there's a few cars and bikes around, but it's unusually quiet. What you don't want to do is get caught in packs of people, they'll give you a ticket for that. Now for the super bad part (like the dystopia I just described wasn't enough): Gov. Newsom's letter to the president says the state projects 56% of residents will have the virus in 8 weeks. That's 25.5 Million people. If you assume a mortality rate of 2%, which right now is a low estimate, that's 610k. In one state.   -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/6UcP-pX6JZ4/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/41c329c8-7acb-4ed8-8c2e-be1f22c4e9b0%40googlegroups.com. 



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RE: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

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Alabama executive order limits gatherings INSIDE closed spaces at 25 and recommends no more than 10.  On our club ride tonight, we had 7 riders, all properly spaced, no touching, spitting, coughing, etc,  it was very enjoyable.  Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Joe BernardSent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 10:11 PMTo: RBW Owners BunchSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World In California - we were already under the Shelter In Place this week in Marin County - it means you can walk and bike alone, and drive to get groceries, gas, takeout food. I've been out there and there's a few cars and bikes around, but it's unusually quiet. What you don't want to do is get caught in packs of people, they'll give you a ticket for that. Now for the super bad part (like the dystopia I just described wasn't enough): Gov. Newsom's letter to the president says the state projects 56% of residents will have the virus in 8 weeks. That's 25.5 Million people. If you assume a mortality rate of 2%, which right now is a low estimate, that's 610k. In one state.   -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/6UcP-pX6JZ4/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/41c329c8-7acb-4ed8-8c2e-be1f22c4e9b0%40googlegroups.com. 



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RE: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Bruce Herbitter]

I look at the total # of resolved cases (either died or recovered) which gives a mortality rate currently around 10%. About that same as SARS which is also a Corona Virus but less contagious. Expectation is that 40% - 70% of the US population will get it at some point.  Unfortunately, we have no idea how accurate any of the data is right now.  Kind of sobering.  (8,411 deaths and 84,121 recoveries as I type this) Bruce Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick PayneSent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 10:52 PMTo: RBW Owners BunchSubject: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World Present US population ~330 million. On Johns Hopkins figures (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6) so far from COVID-19 there are ~8800 deaths from 218000 cases - that's about 4% death rate. If half the US population gets this in the next 12 months, which is a reasonable ballpark figure given that there is no immunity and no vaccine, even if we say that the death rate is really only 2%, because a lot of mild cases have been missed, you still have 330,000,000 / 2 * 0.02 = 3.3 million deaths... Extrapolate that to the world population, and you get about 60 million dead - pretty much the same as the Spanish flu in 1918-20.On Sunday, 15 March 2020 08:27:03 UTC+11, Deacon Patrick wrote:In 2017-18 there were 80,000 deaths from the flu in the US. 900,000 people went to the hospital because of the flu. Per: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/last-years-flu-broke-records-for-deaths-and-illnesses-new-cdc-numbers-show/2018/09/26/97cb43fc-c0ed-11e8-90c9-23f963eea204_story.html Make of that what you will.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/6UcP-pX6JZ4/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2052da13-3c25-4459-9ccc-0ee5c66b701a%40googlegroups.com. 



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RE: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Bruce Herbitter]

Looks good! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: IsaacSent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:51 AMTo: RBW Owners BunchSubject: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv Hello,  This is my first post. I’ve been reading the Google group for a while and very much appreciate the information and photos of such wonderful bikes. This is my  A. Homer Hilsen newly set up with a Crust towel rack bar.  I took a short tour with the bikes set up with a Wavie bar and liked that as well but my other bikes all have flatfish bars so I'm giving the towel rack a shot and for the time being I'm done tweaking, it feels wonderful. Happy riding and best wishes to you all,Isaac (apologies if this comes through as a double post, I don't think it went through the first time)On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 4:41:14 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:Attached find a pair of Rivs (and their owners) on a bright and chilly day - me and my trusty Hunq and my wife on her maiden Cheviot voyage, after I spent way too long building it up... She likes it!  Jay LonnerBellingam, WAOn Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/vUScDWCjWaA/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1c3429f7-8d33-4c07-b197-55813bddd5aa%40googlegroups.com. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b clearance on Rambouillet?

[Bruce Herbitter]

I’ve converted all my 700c bikes to 650B.  38 mm seems the sweet spot for tire 
size. I can run Grand Bois or Pari Motos or Gravel Kings and play with pressure 
to suit the route.  The MaFac Pro centerpulls are really strong brakes and I 
like them. Tektros with good pads are okay, just not as good.  Just for fun, I 
tried 584 wheels with the pads all the way down and they work, and you can get 
fat tires, but the handling suffers so I went back to 650B.   My 52 cm Ram has 
2 wheel sets and one runs the stock 32 mm tires and the other Pasela 38s.  I 
like the 32s better.

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> On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:11 AM, David B  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is why I seem to swap my Redwood from 650b to 700c on an annual basis! I 
> think I'm sticking with my 650b setup for a bit - IMO if you're after fenders 
> AND 47mm tires, then this sort of hits the limit of Tektro R559s as a 55m 
> fender width (at a bare minimum for 47mm) doesn't seem to play well with the 
> quick release of the R559s. Dia Compe 750s don't seem to help either as the 
> narrowness limits where the fender can fit vertically. I settled on Mafac 
> Raids, which I cleaned up and upgraded pads to v-brake style and everything 
> works great - setup with 58mm Velo Orange fenders - and with the straddle 
> cable released on the Raids I can remove wheels without deflating tires. 
> All of this is not for everyone. Had I not picked up an 80s Specialized 
> Sequoia that is virtually identical in dimensions, I likely would've gone 
> back to 700c on the Redwood.
> 
>> On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 9:30:30 PM UTC-6, Wyatt wrote:
>> This is an interesting dissenting opinion Art! 
>> 
>> I hope to avoid too much trouble with brakes, as I'm already running Tektro 
>> r556s with seemingly all of the clearance in the world, but I am afraid I'll 
>> hear your bit about Mother Superior's advice echoing in my ears if/when this 
>> project goes sideways. I guess the dream is that the two-wheelset plan would 
>> allow for the best of both worlds, but we'll see.
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 10:48:29 AM UTC+8, Arthur Lewy wrote:
>>> Greetings Wyatt 
>>> 
>>> I will echo comments above. With DiaCompe 750s I easily fit 584x42s on my 
>>> green Ramb.   The chainstays are the biggest limitation: there was 3 mm 
>>> clearance on each side.  My wheels were true and over 3 years I had no 
>>> problems, although it was a source of worry.   
>>> 
>>> All of this said, I will share my experience with the conversion.  Going to 
>>> 650 B on the Ramb, for me led to a series of compromises, like shortening 
>>> my cranks.  Using long centerpulls was a hassle: they are less efficient 
>>> and due to my own limited skills, they are hard to adjust.   My beloved 
>>> Mark’s rack did not play well with the centerpull cable.   I took off the 
>>> rack but then lost capability to use my Shopsack. 
>>> 
>>> This summer I drove back to Seattle from Brooklyn with my beloved lab 
>>> Princess Buttercup.   We drove through Canada to stop by Lakes Huron and 
>>> Superior.   From the first day she ran in, fetched balls, dove for rocks 
>>> and it seemed she would swim to Wisconsin.   It reminded me of what Mother 
>>> Superior said to fraulein Maria about doing what you were born to do.   
>>> 
>>> A few weeks ago I slapped the 700c wheels back on the Ramb along with the 
>>> Silver brakes, the Mark’s rack, basket, and Shopsack.  In the absence of 
>>> Ruffy Tuffys, I put on Vitoria Corsa Courses.  There’s gobs of tire room 
>>> and the Ramb just sings again in a way it didn’t do with the supposedly 
>>> cushier 650Bs.  It is such a joy.   
>>> 
>>> I am sure that wide tires are great.   At this point I would only do 
>>> them on a bike really designed for them.   
>>> 
>>> Just my 2 cents.  Good luck figuring things out.   
>>> 
>>> Art Lewy 
>>> Seattle 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Bruce Herbitter]

Very nice bikes.  Is the Ram a 650B conversion?  With the setups so similar, 
how do the 2 bikes compare in ride qualities?

Thanks

Bruce

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> On Feb 10, 2020, at 10:54 AM, MoVelo  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello everyone. Thought I jump in here and post pics of my two Rivendells. 
> 
> One a Legolas purchased from a list member a few years ago. 
> 
> Also my Ram. Please excuse the tires as I am awaiting some new skins.
> 
>> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 1:29:13 PM UTC-6, Adam Leibow wrote:
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>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] 69 cm A Homer Hilsen for $1100 on eBay (not mine)

[Bruce Curry]

Looks like a 64 to me. I reached out to the seller several times and have yet 
to receive a response. Not sure how the seller has a 100% rating. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Bruce Herbitter]

I agree about cantos mostly, but I have been very impressed by the stopping 
power of the Mafac centerpulls on my Waterford with a Terraferma fork. 
Centerpulls are easy to set up, but it does complicate front rackage.

YMMV.

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> 
> I insisted my custom have no added bits for cantis, which are a gigantic 
> pain to set up with no appreciable braking or aesthetic improvement over 
> v-brakes. Gimme strong simple brakes and tire clearance all day long, if I 
> need more brake I'll buy a bike with discs. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[Bruce Herbitter]

I rode our December Populaire (100KM) Saturday on my ‘95 Riv Road. One of the 
tricks I used to get the weight to 18.5 lbs is these very light pedals from JG 
Bike.  I really like them.  Plenty of weight distribution, good grip without 
pointy spikes messing up shoes, and very light. They have a titanium spindle 
and thin aluminum platform.  And CHEAP too.  I want to buy several for my other 
bikes but I can’t justify the waste of the pedals already on them. (V-O and 
MKS).

https://www.amazon.com/JGbike-Ultralight-Titanium-Aluminium-Non-Slip/dp/B07SZHRV5M

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>> On Dec 9, 2019, at 12:06 AM, masmojo  wrote:
> I find it curious that so many people have problems with pedals! I've had a 
> couple dozen different pedals & never problem one!? I  would expect a problem 
> for at least 5K miles. I regressed my old Shimano DX platform pedal many, 
> many years ago, but I  was doing 6,000 or so miles a year at that time & it 
> was my only bike 
> 
> I do prefer BMX platform pedals generally and they don't have to be fancy. As 
> others have said the Odessey Twisted pedals are a great buy. The Race Face 
> Chester's are also good. I've also used DK & Demolition pedals. I don't sweat 
> pedals too much, whatever looks good is fine with me. Don't think I'd ever 
> pay more than $90. For pedals & even that is a stretch.
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Bruce Herbitter]

Best orange ever! Nice looking bike AND tour. 

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> On Dec 6, 2019, at 7:08 PM, Wyatt  wrote:
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> 
> 
> Here's my old Rambouillet. Bought secondhand from a guy in the Bay Area back 
> in 2005, toured and commuted on her for about a decade, shamefully let her 
> collect dust for a few years when I was "too busy" with work, and finally got 
> her going again earlier this year. Here's a shot in Mississippi from a few 
> months ago, near the end of a tour from Nashville to Natchez on the Trace.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 3:29:13 AM UTC+8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Bruce Herbitter]

What you want is a Saluki.

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> On Nov 15, 2019, at 9:50 AM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
> 
> ISO a 52cm Homer back when it didn't have cargo-bike chainstays 
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Re: [RBW] FS:Brooks B17 Champion Special Antique Brown Phil Wood touring Hubs Scott Mathauser Brake pads.

[Bruce Curry]

Is that saddle still avail? Bruce 
currybruce3atgmail

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Re: [RBW] 59cm Clem barely fits in car, thus will be caried on the outside. I like the 1UP rack, but what about others...?

[Bruce Baker]

The only way to go is the 1up USA. I have had Kuat, Thule, Yakima and none
compare tot he ease of the 1 up

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 12:00 AM LeRoy  wrote:

> As detailed in a recent post (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/BMwnMT8KlG4), my
> be-fendered 59cm Clem is an awkwardly tight fit in my recently-acquired
> Jeep Cherokee. As a result, I'm hitch-mounted bike-rack shopping (and hitch
> shopping as well!). My requirements in a rack are:
> 1) must securely accommodate a 40+ lb. 59cm Clem with its fenders and
> front (Nitto Mini 32F) and rear (Pletscher Clem) racks
> 2) must be readily removable without much fuss and knuckle-skinning
> 3) prefer a rack that supports the bike under its wheels rather than
> hanging it off the top tube
> 4) as of now, I only anticipate the need to carry a single bike;
> expandability, however, would be a nice virtue
> Digging around in the archives uncovered enthusiastic recommendations for
> the 1UP hitch-mounted rack. This looks like a very good combination of
> sturdiness, good design and reasonable price. It ticks all the above boxes
> and would be about $400 delivered to my door.
> I could pull that trigger but thought I'd first ask whether anyone could
> suggest an even better alternative with respect to price, value, function,
> etc. (Or, maybe you have one for sale!) Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Bruce Herbitter]

What tires are those Adam?

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> On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:47 PM, Adam Leibow  wrote:
> 
> 
> my rambouillet on an alpine dam ride here in marin (sf)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[Bruce Herbitter]

Always, always, always: with Rivendell, if you see something you want, get it 
now. Chances are it won’t be there later. Not to say there won’t be other great 
stuff, but nothing stays the same at RBW. GP’s recent blog talks about what he 
thought he knew when he started out at RBW vs what he now knows to be true 
regarding bike design. Some of us, like me for instance, prefer that old stuff. 
Others prefer the new. Holds true for bags, clothes, too.

Tailwinds

Bruce

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> On Oct 18, 2019, at 1:59 PM, Alan H  wrote:
> 
> 
> Makes me kind of sad that I didn't pull the trigger a year-or-so ago when I 
> still could've gotten the bike I really want

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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommended Painters in Eastern US

[Bruce Herbitter]

My single coat with blast and prime was $120.  My Ram with cream headtube, fork 
crown and lug windows done right and decals applied under 2 clear coats was 
$240.  Pics if interested.  This is the guy in Pelham.  

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> On Sep 27, 2019, at 10:52 AM, Touriste-Routier  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The Color Factory in Waretown, NJ does inexpensive paint jobs.  I'd call them 
> C+ grade (If Joe Bell is A+); not great on detail work (like filling in lug 
> panels), but you can get something stripped. blasted, painted 1 color, 
> decaled and clear coated for ca $200 (not including the decals).  This is 
> less than many charge for powder coat.  Paint will be thick, but it passes 
> the 5 foot test.  
> 
> For a much better paint job try Franklin Frames in OH.  You'll pay more, but 
> the detail work and overall quality is better.  
> 
> Brian Ignatin
> Pineville, PA  USA
> 
> 
> 
>> On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 9:15:19 AM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>> I had good luck with Bilenky in Philadelphia and I also had a good 
>> experience with Hanford Cycles, also in Philadelphia. There is Franklin 
>> frames in Ohio if that is closer and I know folks who have had work done 
>> there and been happy.
>> 
>>> On Thursday, September 26, 2019 at 8:55:32 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>>> For those that have had frames painted in the Eastern US, can you recommend 
>>> a painter?  Anyone to stay away from?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tom
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RE: [RBW] WTB: tan saddlesack X-small

[Bruce Herbitter]

Jeff:

Give a shout any time you’d like to try a ride. It need not be long.  I’m in 
the Montgomery area. You can ride one of the shorter options in our club 
century next month!  We also have a group putting on a gravel ride from 25 to 
67 mile routes.

Tailwinds

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Subject: Re: [RBW] WTB: tan saddlesack X-small

Hi Bruce, 

That would have been good. I need to get in shape before taking on the longer 
rides. I did 45 mi a couple weekends ago and heat was rough! Take care.

Jeff

> On Sep 12, 2019, at 7:32 PM, Fullylugged  wrote:
> 
> jeff:
> 
> I was down your way for a RUSA 100k from Ft Morgan a few weeks ago.  Sorry I 
> didn't know you were local, we could have met for a pedal.  I have a 
> Rambouillet & a Road.
> 
> Bruce
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[RBW] FS: BIg Agnes and TarpTent Tents, Sleeping Pad, Ortlieb Gravel-Pack Panniers, etc.

[Bruce Smitham]

Hi Eric,

I sent you an email last Friday for the Ortlieb panniers but never heard back. 
Thanks, Bruce wineh...@gmail.com Smitham Inn San Diego 

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Re: [RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

[Bruce Herbitter]

Auto spell 

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> On Jun 5, 2019, at 4:07 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> "Racy?"  Surely not "racist."  
> 
>> On 6/5/19 4:56 PM, Fullylugged wrote:
>>  A racist build will be down to 18 lbs or so. 
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[RBW] Re: FS- Revelate Designs Sweetroll handlebar bag large

[Bruce Smitham]

SOLD

On Saturday, May 11, 2019 at 8:58:31 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
> FS- Relevate Sweetroll handlebar bag large in excellent condition $85 
> including shipping CONUS. Includes harness and extra straps for either drop 
> bars, flat bars or Jones bars adapter. Call/text Bruce 310-968-6910

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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Bruce Herbitter]

Handsome bike!  Center pulls are approved! Stop like nobody’s business.  I 
think the green was the prettiest color.  How is the ride?

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> On May 7, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Omar Sandoval  wrote:
> 
> My Rambouillet on it's first ride. This is my first Rivendell after lusting 
> for one for several years.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hiluki vintage ??

[Bruce Herbitter]

Appreciate the info Ted.  Yes on the Tokyo bikes.  I absolutely love my 
Rambouillet

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> On May 1, 2019, at 9:06 AM, ted  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Pondero, your bike looks like a twin to mine. So it seems ~2010 is a 
> decent estimate.
> 
> Fullylugged, your history is a bit off.
> The early AHH frames were built by Toyo. I think one way those frames can be 
> distinguished from the later Waterford built ones is the water bottle mounts 
> on the underside of the down tube. I believe there are other cosmetic details 
> too. At the time RBW moved production from Toyo to Waterford in response to a 
> surging yen, G wrote about the MUSA frames being just as good as the Toyos 
> but that there were minor differences and that if one wanted a Toyo the time 
> to get it was ...
> After the introduction of the AHH and before (or about when) production moved 
> to Waterford the Saluki was folded into the AHH model. In the smaller sizes 
> even sized AHH were 650b and odd sized ones were 700c. Large 650b frames were 
> discontinued (i think 58 was the largest pre MIT 650b AHH)
> In the transition some bikes were built using Saluki bottom brackets (using 
> up existing stock?) but badged and decaled as AHHs.
> So is a frame with a SA-### sn sold by RBW with an AHH head badge and AHH 
> decals a Saluki or an AHH? I duno, a rose by any other name ... or some such 
> thing.
> If there weren't many Salukis sold there must have been very very few of 
> these "HiLuki" bikes. Rarity aside mine has become very precious to me. It's 
> probably my favorite bike and if it were stolen or wrecked i don't think I 
> could replace it. Nothing against current RBW production, but those old Toyo 
> built bikes are sooo pretty.
> 
>> On Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 2:56:34 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>> If it has an SA serial number then it is a Saluki and not a Hilsen. Saluki 
>> was only made in 650B and Hilsen came in 700. After the merger, smaller size 
>> Hilsens came in 650B and larger ones in 700. Saluki was made in Japan 
>> starting in 2004 and Hilsen was made in the US from 2006, then later in 
>> Taiwan as currency exchange rates became an issue. They were always 
>> functionally equivalent. Salukis were mostly side pulls but a small number 
>> were made for cantis. There weren't a lot of Salukis made, and I think they 
>> ended production (although some hung around in the RBW attic for a long 
>> while) around 2007.  Both models were for sale separately through 2007.  
>> $1,500 for FFHS combo.
>> At least I think that's about right.
>> 
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[RBW] FS- Oveja Negra Gearjammer seatbag medium black

[Bruce Smitham]

Sold 

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[RBW] WT: 66cm Riv Ramboulliet for a 62-64cm Riv

[Bruce Curry]

Sean, I have an orange 64 frame to swap. Interested? Thanks. Bruce

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Re: [RBW] FS Nigel Smyth Tweed. Bag

[Bruce Baker]

did you sell the nygel smyth tweed??  If not I am inetersted

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 5:00 PM Kelly  wrote:

> Close to new condion - some tarnish on buckles .. 225.00 shipping included
> lower 48.
>
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> PayPal and credit cards accepted .  Visa MasterCard
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Re: [RBW] Midweight Hoody Recommendation

[Bruce Baker]

Look at minus33 their merino wool stuff is great for cycling and they have
different weight hoodies...

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 4:06 PM Dave Grossman  wrote:

> Hey Y'all,
>
> I'm looking for a new spring/fall mid-weight hoody.  I'd like to get
> something with some insulation, rain repellency, zip chest pocket, and
> durability.  I've been eyeing the Arcteryx Atom LT Hoody but it ain't cheap.
>
> I have the Revelate Hoody which I love but I wouldn't mind something with
> a full zip as well.  I'd use it for riding, packing, general life, etc.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What’s your winter (re)build?

[Bruce Herbitter]

Very nice build! What is about water bottle cages though? I have that exact 
combination in the same positions on my Rambouillet!

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> On Mar 15, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Matt C.  wrote:
> 
> After building and riding many bikes that have been cheaper Rivendell 
> inspired builds, I was able to buy my first Riv last summer. A 57cm Bleriot. 
> Unfortunately I bought it at a time when biking and bike tinkering were 
> mostly at a halt due to having a second child and buying our first home. So 
> things have finally slowed down a bit and I was able to build it up.
> 
> I took it on a test ride around the neighborhood yesterday. Some minor tweaks 
> to be made, but it felt really good.
> 
> Pics: https://photos.app.goo.gl/hRyNtZmEgAXsTKvw5
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Bruce Herbitter]

Very nice bike Jeremy. One the last ones made quite possibly. I ended up 
repainting my blue one in amber gold, but that green was a serious contender.

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> On Mar 11, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> 
> Here's my 64cm Rambouillet, purchased used last summer and recently converted 
> to drop bars (Nitto M151). I'll try to get a picture of my CleMTB next time I 
> ride it. Come check out both at my NAHBS get together and garage sale this 
> weekend (info in another thread)!
> 
>> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
>> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
>> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Road Repair & Repaint

[Bruce Herbitter]

Thanks all for the kind words.  GP told me it was very repairable and that was 
the case. The cost to keep it on the road is way less than a new frame and you 
can’t get those lugs anymore.  It was my #1 ride before the tube crack ( 
although I’ve had the Ram longer so it has more overall miles) and I’m 
interested to see how it will feel in the new set up. For those scoring at 
home, the main club ride bike is now the Waterford RS-12 bought here last July, 
then a Nashbar Mark III, named Ferrous Bueller which is my brevet bike set up 
with lights and most of the parts which came on a Saluki I once had. The Ram is 
too pretty to sweat on, so runs to the vet for pet insulin refills or around 
town and Sunday social rides are its use now.  

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> On Mar 8, 2019, at 8:40 AM, RichS  wrote:
> 
> Bruce, that is a masterpiece. Inspiring! Thank you for sharing the details of 
> your rebuilds for this and your Ram.
> 
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> 
>> On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 12:28:58 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> I love the cream on the lugs, kinda like on the headtube of that new custom 
>> on the BLAHG. Such a nice touch!
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Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

[Bruce Herbitter]

Beautiful bike.  The solid rear dropout differs from the later Rams which have 
a window and the lug set is pointed instead of rounded as on later bikes.  Ooh 
that color!

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> Rambouillet: 
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/19TrbqrlTfcHNB9_tF1YU0UsdMqx-VaGM/view?usp=sharing
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[RBW] Re: FS- Tubus & Racktime racks plus Oveja Negra & Revelate bags

[Bruce Smitham]

Everything is SOLD. Thanks

On Friday, February 8, 2019 at 6:25:06 PM UTC-8, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> These items are still available in case anyone wants to make an offer
>
> For Sale are some items that I really don't use or are duplicates or don't 
>> fit my bike. Plus CONUS shipping or free San Diego pick up.
>>
>> 1.) Racktime Front Rack in black. Great condition $30 
>>
>> 2.) Racktime Addit rear snapfit rack in black. Mounted and used a few 
>> times with rub marks from Ortliebs. Good condition $40 
>>
>> 3.) Oveja Negra Chuckbucket Handlbar Snack Bag in black and excellent 
>> condition $40
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bruce
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS- Tubus & Racktime racks plus Oveja Negra & Revelate bags

[Bruce Smitham]

These items are still available in case anyone wants to make an offer

For Sale are some items that I really don't use or are duplicates or don't 
> fit my bike. Plus CONUS shipping or free San Diego pick up.
>
> 1.) Racktime Front Rack in black. Great condition $30 
>
> 2.) Racktime Addit rear snapfit rack in black. Mounted and used a few 
> times with rub marks from Ortliebs. Good condition $40 
>
> 3.) Oveja Negra Chuckbucket Handlbar Snack Bag in black and excellent 
> condition $40
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet Refresh

[Bruce Herbitter]

Thanks Rich.  This is a 52cm frame and this size in a Ram came in 559 (26”) 
only. 

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> On Feb 4, 2019, at 7:24 AM, R Shannon  wrote:
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> Bruce, your Ram rebuild looks spectacular! Thanks very much for the progress 
> reports.
> 
> What is the wheel size? 
> 
> Best regards,
> Rich in ATL
> 
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>> On Feb 4, 2019, at 6:50 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>> 
>> I took it for a shakedown yesterday and it was very sweet. Just a few little 
>> tweaks needed, but it's staying like this for a while. I moved the link to 
>> Flickr because Google is phasing photos out. Can't upload anymore. For those 
>> who are interested, the spec:
>> 
>> Paint: Amber Gold/Cream By Nathan Barnes (Pelham AL)
>> Headset, triple crank (52/42/30) Rear long cage derailler, BB: Ultegra
>> Brakes: Shimano A550
>> Front Derailler: Campy Mirage
>> Stem: Nitto Dynamic
>> Seatpost: Nitto Crystal Fellow
>> Bar: Nitto Mustache (upside down for more height.
>> Wheels: Shimano Tiagra hubs and Arraya non-machined rims
>> Cassette: SRAM 11-34
>> Tires: Panaracer Pasela 1 1/2"
>> Bar Tape: Specialized Roubaix
>> 
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmxUiWpP 
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