Re: [RBW] Re: What size fenders on your Platy?

[Goshen Peter]

Why rivendell doesn't break out the vernier calipers and tell us is beyond
me. But on dads it's 60mm at brake bridge, 59 at the seat stay. And 59 at
the chain stay.  Yes I'm still alive, yes if I owe you something I feel
terrible, reach out to me.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022, 9:46 AM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>
> Tom
>
> I understand about the clearances at the chain stays.  What about at the
> seatstays/brake bridge??
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 9:24:02 AM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> John,
>> You don't dent the fenders, you just trim them with a knife or tin
>> snips.  My SKS P50 longboard are narrow at the stays from the factory,
>> similar to the photo below.  It's not so great for keeping things clean in
>> that area, but makes simplifies install.
>> Tom
>>
>> [image: fender.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

[Goshen Peter]

Bill, I always thought it would have been great to get my silca painted to
match the bombadil so from a feet away TRIPLE TUBED!
On Feb 26, 2015 6:05 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well that should sell a bunch of stretchy light weight bikey stuff! I had
 to stop half way through the video to catch my breath ;) Fun to watch.
  On Feb 26, 2015 2:55 PM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that...

 http://theradavist.com/2015/02/santa-cruz-stigmata-cross-video/

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:53 PM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote:

 It's odd, no spandex hamsters riding now. I guess riding across the
 minus whatever, snow and ice covered darkness on studded tires with fenders
 generator hubs and lights isn't their magazine ad.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh


 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 9:54:30 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:

 This reminds me of the first charity ride I did on my Hillborne (with
 Bosco Bars).  A rider came up beside me, asked about the bike, then asked
 why anybody would want a bike like that?  I said,  I can take this to the
 grocery store, ride a metric century comfortably, or take a trip over the
 Himalayas.  What can you do with that? (pointing to his crabon crotch
 rocket).  He just shook his head and rode away.   I passed he and his crew
 of spandex hamsters after the second rest stop.  They tend to start loosing
 it at 30 miles.  One of these days I'm going to do one in a pair of cutoffs
 (diamond gusset), a nascar t shirt and Cubs batting helmet just for fun.  I
 might even roll a pack of Winstons up in my sleeve for good measure.

 Marc

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 12:56:19 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson
 wrote:



 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite addison...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won.  Anymore,
 while I can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in
 the niche.  Just like the extreme downhillers or whatever they are
 called.  I just don't see a lot of riders so focused on 25mm tires that
 don't also accept the benefits of a fatter tire


 Not true where I am in Silicon Valley . If I show up at the start of
 one of my (touring) club's rides, a ride meant for people riding a 
 moderate
 pace, and I see twenty other riders, there will be one steel bike, and 
 I'll
 be riding it. There will be no bikes that take tires wider than 28 mm,
 other than my Roadeo. Typically riders have 25 mm tires pumped up rock
 hard.  Everyone will have lycra shorts including me (haven't found 
 anything
 else that works for me) and everyone else will be wearing roadie jerseys
 with sublimated graphics.

 There's one club ride I go on, an easy-paced ride that I do for
 camaraderie. Most of the riders are like me, over 50, in a lot of cases
 well over 50. But there is one young woman who shows up on an old
 Stumpjumper with flat bars, wearing street clothes. Although she has no
 trouble keeping up, and she has a fine bike, almost every time she has
 shown up at a ride I'm on someone will explain to her that her bike is
 wrong and she needs a different one.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

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The title of that blog says it all, haha. I'm too much of a worrier for
such adventures. I'll stick with such travails as dog poop in the bike
lane, hahaha.
On Feb 26, 2015 6:05 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 The common cycling route through the 'Stans does not go through
 Afghanistan or Pakistan but rather through the mostly stable countries of
 Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, on the M41 highway.
 There are lots of touring blogs on this region on bike touring sites like
 crazyguyonabike.com.

 I also had a friend who cycled the route last summer in a supported tour
 from Chengdu to Istanbul, including Iran even.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 From what I see in the news things are a little hot in the stans right
 now. I always dreamed of a tour of japan by bike, it just looks so
 beautiful there. Would def need the Bill special low gear for those
 mountains tho!

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The only reason I would go 8 is if I was cycling something where I was
 going to be out of civilization for a long time like maybe riding the
 'Stans in Central Asia and wanted slightly higher perceived reliability of
 the wider chain.  I wouldn't go 7 because then you have to keep track of
 the 4.5mm spacer were you to take your cassette off the freehub.

 Actually I would love to cycle the 'Stans, especially the Pamir Highway,
 but I just don't have that sort of free time at this point in my life.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:46 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com 
 cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nine works as the best modern gearing for me. I'm slowly moving
 eights over to nine, and may move my one 10 to nine at some point. I like
 standardization :)

 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 1:35:36 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:

 That being said, you can get the 9 speed HG50 for about the same price
 as the 7 speed, so IMO if you are starting fresh there's really no reason
 not to go 9 speed.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com
 wrote:

 On 02/26/2015 04:05 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

 I like the comment The HG-50 is still made in Japan, thus the
 higher price.  $19.95-$25.95 is expensive? Seems like a great deal to 
 me.

 I use the HG-50 9 speed 11-34s and I'm very happy with them. FWIW,
 and YMMV.


 Perhaps that's compared to the HG50s of 2 years ago, which as I
 recall were all black and looked kind of not-so-nice.   But yes, the 
 price
 of 7 spd cassettes is very reasonable, especially when you compare with 
 10
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Re: [RBW] Re: 7 the new 11

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From what I see in the news things are a little hot in the stans right
now. I always dreamed of a tour of japan by bike, it just looks so
beautiful there. Would def need the Bill special low gear for those
mountains tho!

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 The only reason I would go 8 is if I was cycling something where I was
 going to be out of civilization for a long time like maybe riding the
 'Stans in Central Asia and wanted slightly higher perceived reliability of
 the wider chain.  I wouldn't go 7 because then you have to keep track of
 the 4.5mm spacer were you to take your cassette off the freehub.

 Actually I would love to cycle the 'Stans, especially the Pamir Highway,
 but I just don't have that sort of free time at this point in my life.

 On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:46 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com 
 cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nine works as the best modern gearing for me. I'm slowly moving eights
 over to nine, and may move my one 10 to nine at some point. I like
 standardization :)

 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 1:35:36 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:

 That being said, you can get the 9 speed HG50 for about the same price
 as the 7 speed, so IMO if you are starting fresh there's really no reason
 not to go 9 speed.

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 On 02/26/2015 04:05 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

 I like the comment The HG-50 is still made in Japan, thus the higher
 price.  $19.95-$25.95 is expensive? Seems like a great deal to me.

 I use the HG-50 9 speed 11-34s and I'm very happy with them. FWIW, and
 YMMV.


 Perhaps that's compared to the HG50s of 2 years ago, which as I recall
 were all black and looked kind of not-so-nice.   But yes, the price of 7
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

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Bazinga!

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tire labels not lined up with the valve stems!??!??

 DISAPPROVE

 On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 4:20:14 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:

  You mean like this?  https://www.flickr.com/photos/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

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One way to know your message has really gotten out there is when some
people you don't know start to genuinely hate you, hahaha!

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 Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote:


 Btw, for all you paleo lovers, you'll hate this guy! While dropping 30lbs,
 he still eats like a pig and that includes massive amounts of noodles, rice
 and bread (hey, a guy's got to carbo load!)...


 Kudos to him! I wish I had a 24 oz beer right now with which to drink his
 health.




 You do see the what I call Rivendell guys out there too. But they actually
 kind of stand out dress like bums in their baggy shorts, seersucker
 shirts, etc.


 One of them, or a near relation,  passed me today at about a 50% speed
 differential, up a hill. Scruffy lout! I was wearing cycling kit, too!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

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Every runner knows those Damn walkers are just in the way  Must be
winter.
On Feb 25, 2015 2:50 AM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:18:22 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote:

 pb,

 Hmmm...I'm glad that you found a few good LBS's,


 No, I called three, and got three answers.  I made three calls.  I got
 three answers.  I chose the three because they were representative of three
 major corporate entities.


 but have you read a mainstream bicycle magazine recently? I see all sorts
 of articles and advertisements glorifying racing and bikes so lightweight
 that they are completely impractical for normal use. I see VERY few
 articles and advertisements featuring practical and reliable bikes or
 articles that espouse using a bike for transportation rather than for only
 racing or exercise. Transportation? What's that? A fun ride that isn't a
 race? What's that?


 Do you read Vogue to find articles on dungarees or Harris tweed?  Do you
 read GQ to find out what to wear when gardening?  I don't even know what
 the mainstream bicycle magazines are any more. I do know that Bicycling
 (does it still exist?) didn't offer a new article, or cover, in twenty
 years.  They just recycled the old ones on a regular basis (Climb better in
 30 days!  Get faster in 30 days!  Prepare for a century in 30 days!  Get
 leaner in 30 days!).  I hope you don't pay to read it.  Doug, are you
 confusing magazines with actual journalism?  Magazines exist to make money,
 and they'll print whatever they think will sell copies.  Apparently what
 you think is interesting isn't what they think will sell copies.  Does that
 prove something about your local bicycle shop, or does it just indicate
 that maybe you're looking at the wrong magazine, which you knew before you
 picked it up.


 I don't think that Grant just invented this issue. The phenomena is quite
 real. Grant's message resonates with many because the racing phenomena IS
 real.


 No, Grant didn't invent the issue, but he has fed the flames, and kept it
 alive, and he has perpetuated a stereotype, and he has offended folks along
 the way.  For no reason.  And I assure you that it has affected his bottom
 line by marginalizing him.  Canonize him for that if you wish.


  And yes, I do (quite often) encounter smug racers in their spandex
 uniforms who disparage practical cyclists. They are mostly wannabe's and
 not real racers, of course. But they are numerous and annoying just the
 same.


 Oh come on.  There are rude and irritating members of every population
 group.  Do they represent their groups as a whole?  See comments about
 stereotyping.  Also, people tend to see what they are looking for.  If you
 are looking for snotty racers, you'll probably find them.  Ironically,
 typing that reminds me of riding into my neighborhood one night from work.
 My commute ride is about 40 quite hilly miles each way, a solid 2.5 hours,
 especially after a day of work, and I had ridden both ways that day,
 leaving the house in the morning at 5:30 (no, I do not do that commute both
 ways very often).  I was on a carbon Look, in lycra, and I had my clothes
 and shoes and files and a laptop in my Timbuktu.  I was riding very tiredly
 into my development, done for the day, when a fellow in jeans and a plaid
 shirt went spinning past me on a Surly.  He was sitting upright, and he
 ignored me as he spun past with a grin.  I guess he kicked my ass.  If it
 had been me passing him, I would have said hello, because I try to be
 friendly to other cyclists.

 Here is my suggestion to you and to Grant:  Promote and enjoy the kind of
 cycling and bicycles that you like, and let those things stand on their own
 feet.  If your LBS sucks and just wants to sell $15,000 Pinarellos and
 one-piece suits, go to another store, or mail order, but don't tell me that
 proves every LBS sucks, or that every customer of that LBS is an ass.
 Don't sneer at other cyclists along the way, or if you do, they may say
 things like Norma Steinberg said.  There is sufficient rudeness and
 division in our world.  Don't perpetuate it.

 Think about my comment about Ritchey and Fisher and Kelly not needing to
 belittle roadies to make mountain biking attractive.  The opposite happened
 -- suddenly it was cool to have two bikes!  Grant's ideas in Just Ride are
 fine.  Yeah, I've read it -- he sent me a copy, and I have it at my right
 hand.  It's just not necessary for anyone to prove that his ideas are right
 by proving that someone else's ideas are wrong.  Sometimes two ideas can be
 right at the same time, and to make an idea attractive does not
 require belittling another idea.  You want to go for a run, go for a run.
 You want to go for a walk, go for a walk.  Runners and walkers don't need
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[RBW] FS Brooks b67, Burly Piccolo

[Goshen Peter]

Hey all, selling my barely used B67, tan, used about 200 miles, not broken
in to my butt yet. My lovely dad gave me his 30 year old brooks collection
and they feel so nice so on to another home for this one. Looking for $80
shipped OBO, have the original box, wrench etc.
Also FS Burly Piccolo, moose rack, the whole shebang, the struts are uncut,
I used struts from another project. Have the original box, was told it
wouldn't be terrible to ship because it breaks down small. Looking for $125
shipped, make an offer, its just sitting my basement and with the weather
here its gonna be months until someone local buys it.
Also selling a cycleops fluid trainer but only for local pickup, thing is a
beast! Paypal, lower 48.

Link to Flikr page
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Thanks yall.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

[Goshen Peter]

My LBS literally scoffed when I asked if they sold any steel bikes. They
said that steel is only on old and Walmart bikes. They had a nice all
aluminum Stumpjumper, one of 3 bikes without a CF of suspension fork. So
yeah I dont think grant is going all Nero on the bike biz but wants his
somewhat outside the mainstream thoughts heard, doesn't seem so complicated
to me.
On Feb 24, 2015 11:18 PM, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.com wrote:

 pb,

 Hmmm...I'm glad that you found a few good LBS's, but have you read a
 mainstream bicycle magazine recently? I see all sorts of articles and
 advertisements glorifying racing and bikes so lightweight that they are
 completely impractical for normal use. I see VERY few articles and
 advertisements featuring practical and reliable bikes or articles that
 espouse using a bike for transportation rather than for only racing or
 exercise. Transportation? What's that? A fun ride that isn't a race? What's
 that?

 I don't think that Grant just invented this issue. The phenomena is quite
 real. Grant's message resonates with many because the racing phenomena IS
 real.

 And yes, I do (quite often) encounter smug racers in their spandex
 uniforms who disparage practical cyclists. They are mostly wannabe's and
 not real racers, of course. But they are numerous and annoying just the
 same.


 Doug

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 7:16:52 PM UTC-8, pb wrote:

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 4:57:32 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Why?  Why, over and over again?  Because the racing philosophy has the
 mainstream and the LBS.  And it's not what serves most causal riders best,
 and I applaud Grant for calling them out for it.
 We all have seen at the LBS the times when some racerish young LBS
 employee is trying to fit an older person onto a racerish bike, that will
 not be well served by said bike.  Why is this what's in the mainstream?


 I just got off the phone with three representative LBS's.  I asked them
 all the same thing:  I'm going to send my 58-year-old neighbor in to see
 you.  He has average fitness, not bad, hikes on the weekend, hasn't ridden
 a bike since college.  He wants to start riding on weekends, maybe work up
 riding more regularly.  What kind of bike do you think he should look at
 first?  The shops were Black Mountain Bicycles, a large Specialized
 dealer, the Performance near my house, and the Trek Super Store nearest to
 my house.

 All three gave me the same answer: a flat bar road hybrid.  None said,
 well, duh, a racing bicycle, of course, with drop bars three inches below
 the saddle!  Then I asked about what tires would come with the bikes.  Both
 the Trek and Specialized stores said, somewhere between 32 and 38.  The guy
 at Performance said, 28 at the narrowest, but more likely 32 or 35.  Two of
 the three asked if I knew whether my friend had back or neck pain, and both
 suggested my friend should start off with something pretty upright.  The
 guy at Performance said, well, I'd really have to talk to him to find out
 what he wants to do with the bike.

 So, are those answers OK with you, Jim?  How big a sample do I need to
 persuade you that stereotyping the industry, LBS's, and a group of
 cyclists, has the same value as other stereotypes?  By the way, do you know
 what bike shops make the most money on, the largest margins?  Rubber and
 softgoods.  If LBS's are as stupid and singleminded as you and, apparently,
 Grant think they are, and if they are pushing bikes that will make people
 uncomfortable, tell me, do you think their customers will come back and buy
 rubber and softgoods?  Will their customers be excited about riding, and
 bring their friends in to buy bikes?

 Do I think the racerish sale has ever happened?  Of course I know that it
 has.  There are poor salespeople, making inappropriate sales, in every
 industry.  However, tarring the bicycle industry, and a significant group
 of its members, all with the same brush, is not productive, and does not
 reflect well on the speaker.  The whole nonsense of making an entire group
 of people wrong so that you can feel superior just needs to stop.  And I
 gotta tell you, I've never heard any of the racer-y people I know say,
 those people on lugged steel bikes with alba bars sure are stupid and
 brainwashed.

 I refer again to Norma's last paragraph.  Clearly, she has gotten an
 impression about Grant and about his positions, and it's not a positive
 impression.  I'm betting that she is in fact a nice person, and not a
 stupid one.  And, she's a cyclist!  However she arrived at her impression
 of Grant ... well, you draw your own conclusions.

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[RBW] FS 1992 MB2 FFHS Extras 52cm

[Goshen Peter]

The time has come to sell my not often ridden MB2 frameset. Wheels are just
too heavy to ship. Its the classic red/white combo. Selling with original
headset, bb, brakes, ritchey force handlebars and stem. I also will include
the original crankset, shifters, derailleurs. Looking for about $200
shipped lower 48 but open to offers. Paypal please. If someone is local I
have a set of 26 wheels with new Michelin city tires from a stumpjumper I
can throw in for like 40 bucks. Zip is 10924. Pic below with my beautiful
wife and daughter, can take more. thanks

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Re: [RBW] Paul Brakes -- Wow!

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im glad to hear they are working out. The dual compound mountain pads help
reduce shudder, and of course toe in, not sure if you just left them like I
had them or not but I had them toed in when I sent them out. Is your cable
hanger on the crown or on the headset? it made a pretty big difference on
my bombadil when I got the crown hanger.

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 I attribute it to Paul's design vs. Tektro's design, though no idea what
 the exact difference is, the difference in the result is night and day. I'm
 not sure what you mean by set up the same way?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 58 cm Cromo Bosco BullMoose bars

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All good, PayPal at this address with your address when u get a chance. At
work, cant talk bikes, haha.
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 Hi Peter

 I am interested in the bars. I apologize for the post as I Don't know how
 to pm from my phone. Please feel free to contact me at 909 910-7424 as to
 where I can send PayPal payment.

 thank you,
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[RBW] Re: FS 58 cm Cromo Bosco BullMoose bars

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Bump, 80 shipped.
On Feb 17, 2015 9:20 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:

 They are wrapped, shellaced, have dia compe knobs and interruptor levers.
 They had cork grips and barends so new grips should go over the grungy area
 fine. Add grips and shifters and youre good to go. Selling for 100 shipped,
 if that sounds fair. picture should be below. Paypal to this address
 please. thanks

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Re: [RBW] bb/thread installation question

[Goshen Peter]

if it was just done once I doubt you have no threads left. Ive had older
frames that took a bit of chasing to get in a BB but with newer bikes it
should be pretty straight forward unless of course it was really cruddy
down there. I imagine they just didn't clean it up enough, but again
doubtful they stripped it out with one BB install.  If all else fails there
are threadless BBs

http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/bottom-brackets/grand-cru-threadless-bottom-brackets.html

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:28 PM, drew beckmeyer drewbeckme...@gmail.com
wrote:

 preface: im not much of a mechanic. i can install and adjust most allen
 wrenchy components, but beyond that, i go to a bike shop.

 so, i got my hunqapillar frame a few months ago and i got a standard issue
 shimano bb to have installed. took it to a local used bike shop and had the
 guys put it in, since i dont have the tool or previous knowledge of how to
 do this. i watched them and it looked like it was taking some work. hard
 cranking, working it in and out etc. grease was used, but they didnt chase
 it.  it struck me as not the easiest/somewhat rough install, but id never
 seen one installed before, so what did i know...

 bike rides fine. bb is smooth, no sounds, no wiggle, no complaints.

 Cut to me, now, watching instructional videos. i stumble upon a bb install
 video and it seems like theirs went in much easier than mine. this makes me
 nervous.

 i call a higher end and reputable bike shop and tell them this story.
 mechanic says it might just be that it wasn't chased. it might be that
 they stripped the threads and if we take the bottom bracket out, one will
 never go back in again. i ask if what he would do if he was in this
 predicament. we can check it out, but i would maybe just ride it until you
 need a new bottom bracket because if the threads are gone, we cant fix it.

 obviously, this makes me infinitely more nervous and sick to my stomach.

 what can you tell me? what would you do? how likely is it that this is a
 deathblow?


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Re: [RBW] FS: Rivendell Custom Complete Bike....$550

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First All rounder ever was up on the ebay about a year ago, went fast,
famous provenance and all that. I cant find the thread but there was much
discussion about the 1st rivs.

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 I've got Campy on mine, at least in the back, I don't remember what the
 531 fork is. My bb is stamped 95015 so maybe the 15th of 1995? I had a
 chance to compare the lugs to a custom road model and even though I was
 biased, I thought mine were nicer, just a tad more intricate. This was many
 years back, tho.

 On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Fullylugged bruce.herbit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Correction: dropouts are Shimano.  Lugs are the same as the standard


 On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 7:04:40 AM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:

 My Road pre dates the Road Standard model. Differences are minor: level
 TT, standard HT (no extension) Steeper HT angle. Size is 54.5 cm, Racier
 handling, but same slack ST and long stays as the standard model.  Lugs are
 Shimano. Also made at W'fd with the tubes noted below.  All this to say the
 first generation is a bit older.  Someone has probably already answered
 this, but what was the first actual bike sold by RBW?

 BH

 On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 9:09:36 AM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:

 1st gen Rivendells (Road Standard, LongLow, All Rounder, and the
 elusive Mountain) had those long point fork lugs and Reynolds tubing
 stickers.  753 frame and 531 fork (753 fork blades were out of production),
 made by Waterford.

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[RBW] Re: FS-Sugino Crankset, VP pedals

[Goshen Peter]

sorry, paypal please. prices include shipping, thanks

Peter

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wrote:

 FS, Sugino XD350 crankset used about 50 miles, 175mm $50, Also brand new
 VP gripsters in lovely red, also asking $50. I know there were some
 shipping issues but I am healthy and will ship out the next day after
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS-Sugino Crankset, VP pedals

[Goshen Peter]

This address please, will get them out on Monday unless its a post office
holiday, then Tuesday. Thanks!

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 Peter-
 I'll take the pedals. Let me know where to PayPal.

 -J

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[RBW] Re: FS-Sugino Crankset, VP pedals

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Cranks are sold, pedals are spoken for right now. thanks again all

Peter

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis or Hunq - what's the real difference?

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That's what I was told re bombadil tubing too. 1 straight gauge.
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Re: [RBW] Atlantis or Hunq - what's the real difference?

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Ok so a totally not off topic question, what tubing does the Cheviot have.
More Sam or homer? Anyone ride all 3?
On Feb 12, 2015 8:44 PM, Joe Broach joebro...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.com wrote:

 I recently had a discussion with an experienced frame builder and it came
 up that tubing diameter has a bigger effect than the thickness or thinness
 of the tubes; at least with common wall thicknesses.  Apparently there are
 online calculators that show flex characteristics of a tube and this is
 where that idea can be verified.

 I'm certain the outside diameter of the Atlantis tubes are the same
 as always.  So wether its tubes are a bit thinner/thicker is probably
 not that important.

 We didn't discuss the effect of butted vs straight gauge so I can't
 comment on that.  Based on how folks seem to love even the straight gauge
 Rivs, my guess is it doesn't have a very strong impact on the overall
 experience.

 Aaron Young


 ​In the range of common bicycle tubing, the rule of thumb is one step in
 diameter changes deflection about the same as two steps in thickness. So, a
 25.4 (non-OS) top tube in 9-6-9 will flex about the same as a 28.6 (OS) top
 tube in 7-4-7. The OS tube will be a little lighter, but the non-OS tube
 will be tougher (if the steels are similar). Of course, then there's number
 of top tubes to consider!

 Best,
 joe broach
 portland, or



 On Thursday, February 12, 2015, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 I have a memory of reading some specs on the AHH and at most, it was
 8/5/8.  It was something like Roadeo = 7/4/7, AHH = 8/5/8, Atlantis =
 9/6/9.  I don't remember a mention of butted tubes but I suspect the Roadeo
 and AHH have them and maybe the Atlantis.



 On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 12:15:09 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen
 wrote:

 When he was repairing my 57 AHH, my friend remarked that the tubing was
 surprisingly light, maybe 8 5 8 or something like that. So yeah, there be
 differences!

 On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Surlyprof jmcc...@gmail.com wrote:

 This from the Hillborne catalog:

 *Silver Tubes. They look normal from the outside, but*

 *Silver tubes are our own design and are better for it.*

 *Rather than using industry-standard double-butted tubing*

 *picked stock from a catalogue, we shifted the wall*

 *thickness around to better address the stresses. long*

 *story short, we have more metal where it matters and*

 *less where it doesn’t. There is not a better-designed*

 *tubeset available, and it’s ours (and yours) alone.*

 Sounds similar to the way Thomson seatposts have a round outer cross
 section and an elliptical interior section leaving metal where strength is
 needed and less where it is not.


 John


 On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 4:46:19 AM UTC-8, Chris Lampe 2
 wrote:

 I think that may be one of the misconceptions about Rivendells and
 Grant has even made comments that support this.  Rivendell's use 
 expensive
 tube sets because who would buy a $2000 frame knowing it had plain ole'
 4130 cro-mo?  People expect fancy steel in a frame that expensive.
 However, since bikes like the Bombadil and Hunaqapillar may have 1+mm
 tubing (straight or butted...who knows?) and the Atlantis has 9/6/9 
 tubes,
 there may not be that much benefit to the expensive tubes.  My
 understanding is that the benefit of expensive tubes is high quality 
 steel
 that allows the builder to use less of it and produce a higher 
 performance
 bike.  The heavier Riv's don't seem to be designed to take advantage of
 this.  The Roadeo and maybe the AHH may be a different story and they may
 benefit tremendously from better tubing.

 There's probably more to the story when you get into the fine details
 of all parts of the frame but overall, I think the above is accurate.



 On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 12:24:50 AM UTC-6, drew beckmeyer
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 really? straight gauge?

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis or Hunq - what's the real difference?

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Isnt there a tubing difference? Also not point out the obvious but with the
extra diagatube the hunq has to be stiffer, right?

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 I've had my Atlantis for about half a year now and am loving it. I usually
 run it with 2.1 WTB Nano's, and feel like I could probably get 2.2's in
 there actually. Most of the riding I've been doing is on trails, back
 roads, across fields, over the snow, etc. AKA, not pavement. I don't have
 any complaints save one - I tend to hit the pedals on the ground somewhat
 often when I get into bumpy, rocky, or off-camber territory. Not a huge
 deal, some strategic pedalling takes care of that. However, a few times
 I've pondered if I'd be better of with a Hunq. But after looking at the geo
 charts, it looks like the BB-drop is actually identical. Quite a bit of the
 geo is similar actually. So it makes me wonder, what's really the
 difference between them?

 I know the tire clearance has changed over time. Some maxed out at 2.1 I
 think. Newer Hunq's can handle 2.3's if I'm not mistaken. If we ignore the
 tire clearance for the moment, is there something I'm missing? Would an
 Atlantis with Bullmoose bars = Hunq and a Hunq with Noodles = Atlantis?

 This is mostly out of curiosity. I'm over the moon with my Atlantis and
 don't hesitate to load it down and take it over the roughest terrain. The
 frame is so heavy duty I can't imagine it being incapable of handling
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Re: [RBW] Atlantis or Hunq - what's the real difference?

[Goshen Peter]

Hey I rode a bombadil, it was nice and stiff for a heavy dude. Never felt
flex even with kiddo on it.
On Feb 11, 2015 5:34 PM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm curious if it's stiffer. My Atlantis has such thick tubing I can't
 feel it flex at all, even loaded. I feel flex in the quill stem and bars,
 but not the frame.

 On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Isnt there a tubing difference? Also not point out the obvious but with
 the extra diagatube the hunq has to be stiffer, right?

 On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I've had my Atlantis for about half a year now and am loving it. I
 usually run it with 2.1 WTB Nano's, and feel like I could probably get
 2.2's in there actually. Most of the riding I've been doing is on trails,
 back roads, across fields, over the snow, etc. AKA, not pavement. I don't
 have any complaints save one - I tend to hit the pedals on the ground
 somewhat often when I get into bumpy, rocky, or off-camber territory. Not a
 huge deal, some strategic pedalling takes care of that. However, a few
 times I've pondered if I'd be better of with a Hunq. But after looking at
 the geo charts, it looks like the BB-drop is actually identical. Quite a
 bit of the geo is similar actually. So it makes me wonder, what's really
 the difference between them?

 I know the tire clearance has changed over time. Some maxed out at 2.1 I
 think. Newer Hunq's can handle 2.3's if I'm not mistaken. If we ignore the
 tire clearance for the moment, is there something I'm missing? Would an
 Atlantis with Bullmoose bars = Hunq and a Hunq with Noodles = Atlantis?

 This is mostly out of curiosity. I'm over the moon with my Atlantis and
 don't hesitate to load it down and take it over the roughest terrain. The
 frame is so heavy duty I can't imagine it being incapable of handling
 anything the Hunq could.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brake pads question.

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this is all I use on all my bikes. If they were too long as on one bike I
just dremeled it off at the first ridge then you can go ridge by ridge as
needed. A waste of good pad but squealing brakes are the worst!

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/ProductDisplay?storeId=10053langId=-1catalogId=10052productId=570803utm_source=Google_Product_Searchutm_medium=plautm_campaign=datafeedcm_mmc=Google_Product_Search-_-PLA-_-Datafeed-_-Kool%20Stop%20Mountain%20Dual%20Compound%20Threaded%20Brake%20PadsCAWELAID=4696083598source=googleUSCAGPSPN=placatargetid=4696088447cadevice=cgclid=CjwKEAiAjNemBRCgp_vymcvVym0SJACRp_UZZSpoLLY3pximv4SXR8xJxVJM-xTh4iO22mfjAJDSKhoC0NHw_wcB

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 Hugh,

 Kool Stop Supra 2 might be a better option.  The Supra 2 have
 concave/convex washers which appear to be the same as the Thinline pads,
 but with an Eagle 2 shape.

 Jason Cloutier
 Pawtucket, RI

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Re: [RBW] New to me Bombadil

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I love the color combo, had a deposit ready for this one but missed it by a
day.
On Feb 5, 2015 7:22 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Congratulations on the new bike.

 I'm partial to the Rivendell greens, particularly the sage green that
 they used on one of my customs. That goes supremely well with cream
 accents. That said, the Rambouillet blue and the darker blue on my '99 Joe
 Starck are also very pretty.

 Still, the true beauty of a Rivendell is in the build, finish, and design
 -- and ride! And I've not seen an ugly color on any Rivendell I've seen --
 compared to the rather ugly green on my Fargo and other less than pretty
 colors I've had on other bikes.

 On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Wildcat96 cschoentha...@gmail.com wrote:

 New-to-me Bombadil that I acquired mostly complete in a trade with a
 fellow board member.  I'm happy with the way it turned out and am looking
 forward to hitting the trails once they dry out here in KC.  It's got a
 fair amount ot beausage and I spent about a day touching up the rough
 spots.  At some point I plan to have it powder coated at Groody Brothers as
 I'm a little concerned about rust that is developing around the kickstand
 plate.  It's the only silver/gold Bombadil that I'm aware of and I can't
 decide if I should keep it the same color or not.  I think  a traditional
 crème headtube with a green, dark orange, or dark red would look really
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Re: [RBW] New to her wifey bike

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Looks great, the matching fenders are cute. Your wife must be tall if
that's her SH, or I have hobbit legs..

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 Riv content:  bought tires and grips from Rivendell for this build.
 Miesha's cork grips and wire bead 650Bx42 Pasela PT - she does not want
 flats.

 Yes, I know the right bar end is missing - it's still a work in progress

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lifespan of shellac flakes?

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I bought button lac from shellac.net years ago and it still goes off fine.
Just keep it dry and use fresh alcohol and you are good to go.

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 Use 'em!  Mine are a lot older and work just fine.  I might buy new stuff
 for fine furniture finishing, but not bikes.

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[RBW] WTT 1992 52cm MB2 for somethun bigger

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Hey all, my bike budget for the time being is zero but with my wife not
using the MB2 anymore thought I would give a try on a trade for the
frameset. Looking for a bigger 23-24 inch MTB frame, I have the original
bars, stem, shifters etc for the bike I can throw in for the sake of
posterity but I have a newer set of LX stuff sitting around im going to
use.  Looking for someone in NYS tristate area so we don't have to pay for
shipping. I can drive a good bit if its part of the deal, I have a small
car good on gas and lots of podcasts, haha. Riv content...uhhh its an MB2.

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Re: [RBW] XO-T (Rare model!)

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If he was doing shipping I was gonna be a bidder so hard to find these big
mb series bikes, which is what it really is.
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 Also, I don't know the seller, but I should point out that they seem
 honest, because they clarified the frame's likely origins and added info to
 the eBay posting later.

 Well, off to continue my eBay search for an RB-zip! :-)


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  Caveat emptor I guess. (This one never existed!):
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: V-brakes/levers set

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These? not a bad price for a whole bikes worth

http://www.amazon.com/AVID-Single-Digit-Brake-Lever/dp/B00BOLYAEQ/ref=sr_1_216?s=sporting-goodsie=UTF8qid=1422130720sr=1-216keywords=v+brake+set

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 Hey Peter, the Shimano Deore ones are plenty good. Maybe look for some
 used/older model ones? There may even be a lower-end Shimano set that would
 be as good or close.
 People seem to like the Avid SD7 too.

 I find V-brakes a little bit trickier to centre on the braking surface but
 their power and control often aces cantilevers.

 Hope this helps.

 KJ


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 Looking for a set of v-brakes and levers on the cheap. I am just done
 fiddling with cantis I think, my poor fingers have taken so much abuse over
 the years from these things. I have never used v-brakes so don't want to go
 all paul on them until I think I like them better than cantis. Any advice
 on a cheap yet decent whole bike setup that will clear fat franks, if that
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[RBW] V-brakes/levers set

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Looking for a set of v-brakes and levers on the cheap. I am just done
fiddling with cantis I think, my poor fingers have taken so much abuse over
the years from these things. I have never used v-brakes so don't want to go
all paul on them until I think I like them better than cantis. Any advice
on a cheap yet decent whole bike setup that will clear fat franks, if that
exists...thanks all.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rapid Rise rear derailers?

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The alfine IGH bar ends work the same way but I had rapid rise in the past
so it was pretty easy transition.
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 Shimano called it Rapid Rise but others call it low normal --
 Basically, the derailleur's spring carries it to the largest cog, i.e. the
 lowest gear. So its normal position would be on the lowest gear - hence
 low normal. And since the spring tension is helping the derailleur to the
 larger cogs, it makes those shifts a little faster or easier.

 Whether its backwards or normal would depend on one's point of view. But
 it's also worth noting that Shimano certainly didn't invent it, even if
 they came up with a catchy name for it. The first slant parallelogram
 derailleur, the SunTour Grand-Prix of 1964, was also a low-normal
 derailleur.

 Kyle Brooks
 Akron, OH

 On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 4:48:24 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Are those the ones that shift backwards?, eg, cable pull puts it in a
 smaller cog and cable push puts it in a larger cog?

 I tried searching Wikipedia but I got a bunch of hits about baker's
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dumber than my derailer!

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as someone who has less and less time I might offer a piece of advice:
bring it to your fine local LBS and support your local businesses. They
probably sort out issues like this all day and will have it all tuned in an
hour or so, and at least with my lbs I do a test ride on all work and they
will tweak as I need. Just my 2cents, back to working too much.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Geoffrey ring...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also, I'd start put it in the smallest chainring, release all tension on
 the adjuster nut and start from scratch.  This way you can at least check
 the limit screw.  Then pull the cable with your hand all the way to the big
 ring and set that limit screw.  Then you can start to add tension to the
 cable itself.  When you're chain line is off, your front derailleur won't
 work nicely, that's what I'd check next.  From the middle chain ring to the
 center of your seat tube, you should be around 45mm.


 On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 6:42:15 AM UTC-6, Geoffrey wrote:

 If the other suggestions don't work, I'd measure the chain line to see if
 you're in tolerance.

 On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 4:58:53 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 I can’t seem to get my front derailer sorted properly. In it’s current
 cable tension/screw settings it takes up 80% of the shift range in the big
 ring, and goes to the middle at 90% pushed down and the granny at 100%
 pushed down. I’d rather spread that out evenly but can’t get there and have
 increased my drain bammage trying to follow the books.

 What magic answers do you all have in the derailers for dummies
 category? Grin.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Parts Purge Continues

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I really understand that people are frustrated, and I am truly sorry.  but
yes its been the month from hell for me too. Actually just got back from ER
with my daughter who got the Flu, 105 fever, its really bad here in OCNY.
The frame and box o parts for another person came back yesterday for
insufficient postage. I love my wife but she just never does this kind of
stuff and was trying to help me out. Frame and box o parts are going out
priority tomorrow by my hands. My wife and daughter are staying with my mom
as I am the only one not with the flu for the time being. Again, I am very
sorry to keep people waiting, it isn't out of dishonesty or some ulterior
motive, its just been a shitty few weeks/month Doc said I might not ride
again until the spring if they cant get rid of my fluid in lungs so
probably gonna be off the list after I get these shipping issues dealt with
as its depressing to read about great ridesstay healthy everyone. I
will be in touch tomorrow with tracking for various people but feel free to
email me off list if you have a specific issue. Thanks

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 You're bumping the thread to complain about an issue that's already been
 explained? The dude ended up in the hospital; this is not usually a planned
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Re: [RBW] Re: Parts Purge Continues

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I wish, got weeks worth of work to catch up on, but making it an early
night for sure. Gotta fight off the germs...

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 I think you've explained yourself more than adequately. How about you turn
 the computer off and take a nice long rest? :)

 Get better soon!

 cc

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 I really understand that people are frustrated, and I am truly sorry.
  but yes its been the month from hell for me too. Actually just got back
 from ER with my daughter who got the Flu, 105 fever, its really bad here in
 OCNY. The frame and box o parts for another person came back yesterday for
 insufficient postage. I love my wife but she just never does this kind of
 stuff and was trying to help me out. Frame and box o parts are going out
 priority tomorrow by my hands. My wife and daughter are staying with my mom
 as I am the only one not with the flu for the time being. Again, I am very
 sorry to keep people waiting, it isn't out of dishonesty or some ulterior
 motive, its just been a shitty few weeks/month Doc said I might not ride
 again until the spring if they cant get rid of my fluid in lungs so
 probably gonna be off the list after I get these shipping issues dealt with
 as its depressing to read about great ridesstay healthy everyone. I
 will be in touch tomorrow with tracking for various people but feel free to
 email me off list if you have a specific issue. Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Parts Purge Continues

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Much apologies to all who bought from me for the lack of communication. I
have been in an out of the hospital the last month and my lovely wife sent
everything parcel post after xmas. Please be patient, I will try to get
tracking if available tomorrow, I'm just able to get out and about now,
wisdom tooth to a jaw infection coupled with the flu has erased the last
month. If anyone is very upset we can talk offline about how to make it
right, contact me directly. Again a thousand apologies, I know it doesn't
make the stuff there any faster.
On Jan 13, 2015 7:36 AM, Curtis McKenzie cmcy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has anyone received their purchased items from Peter?

 On Tuesday, January 13, 2015, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 Likewise.

 What's the deal, Peter?
 On Jan 9, 2015 4:05 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Peter, Could you please send (off group) tracking info for the brakes?
 Thanks!  (Sorry, folks, off group wasn't functioning).

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Hunqapillar on CL Modesto for $2,000

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But wait, its back for $500 more! An xmas miracle!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Hunqapillar-58cm-/221643985524?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item339b02d274

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 Auction ended: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221642024496 Guess someone came
 up with the right price in cash!

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  That 62cm is Eric J's.
 
  On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:30 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com
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  That's actually the build I would much prefer. Noticed there's a 58cm
  Quickbeam as well.
 
  On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:25 AM,  justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:
  There's a 62 on Oakland CL now
 
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Re: [RBW] Double Tube Raleigh

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No but close enough to me for a ride. Hmmm
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 http://buffalo.craigslist.org/bik/4817696502.html
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Re: [RBW] Happy Solstice

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Riv tested, cat approved!
On Dec 22, 2014 3:02 AM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 Nerds.

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/16077851225/

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Re: [RBW] It isn't winter yet

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Hey I am one of the people who loves TV and my kid does too. I didn't take
any of the anti-tv stuff as preachy or self-righteousness. People live
their lives different ways and its interesting to hear about different
styles of parenting and living. And yes it does relate back to bikes
because I know for a lot of us riding is a family activity.

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 Because your public meta complaint has so much more value to the group?  I
 started the PB Bikes thread which devolved into the anti-television thread
 but I enjoyed it.  Sorry you didn't, but self-righteous is in the eye of
 the beholder.  I rode my Rivendell custom 605 kilometers, or 376 miles last
 weekend.  If you want to buy me lift tickets and gas to go ski I'll be
 happy to stop posting and go do it.

 Otherwise, please direct your complaints privately to the moderator.  That
 is the appropriate way to handle it when the tenor of the group is not in
 keeping with your expectations.

 /snark off

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 Normally around February Jim will chime in make a notice that the tone
 isn't in keeping with the topic of this list.

 Well it isn't even the Solstice and we have two threads that are beyond
 the norm for this group.

 The outright attack on the seller of the AHH is not in the spirit of this
 group and the self righteous I don't own a television thread has nothing
 to do with Rivendell bikes and those who ride them.

 Please stop.

 Go ride your bike or go skiing.

 Thank you,

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[RBW] Parts Purge Continues

[Goshen Peter]

More stuff for sale, Nitto lugged seatpost, usual insertion marks, looks
great. A true piece of bike jewelry. $110 shipped. I will be parting out my
too big for me 61cm Soma Grand Randonneur tonight, Riv wheels, typical Riv
build. Its a lovely bike but the extension above the seattube is just a
hair too high and even with the seat slammed the saddle height is more
than what I like. Paypal, lower 48. Thanks all

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Re: [RBW] Re: Parts Purge Continues

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That is a good idea but I really like my saddle and setup and rather not
suit my needs around the bike, if you know what I mean. Plus the GR has a
nice lightweight tubeset which doesn't exactly mesh well with my largish
body. It was a nice side project but alas I yam what I yam, a big dude with
short legs

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 Hi Peter,
 Just a thought on the Soma GR-- perhaps you used a saddle that's
 relatively tall? I think Brooks saddles sit higher (i.e., you need to put
 the seat post lower) than some other saddles.

 For example, look at this comparison on Ocean Air Cycles (4th photo down):

 http://oceanaircycles.com/2011/06/23/saddle-comparison-brooks-b17-swift-and-berthoud-touring/

 If the Soma GR is otherwise nice, maybe try a different saddle with lower
 height?

 shoji



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 More stuff for sale, Nitto lugged seatpost, usual insertion marks, looks
 great. A true piece of bike jewelry. $110 shipped. I will be parting out my
 too big for me 61cm Soma Grand Randonneur tonight, Riv wheels, typical Riv
 build. Its a lovely bike but the extension above the seattube is just a
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 than what I like. Paypal, lower 48. Thanks all

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[RBW] Re: Parts Purge Continues

[Goshen Peter]

Ok, seatpost is spoken for. I have a set of paul brakes brand new with
upgraded kool stop mountain pads, front neo retro, rear touring.
$125 for a bikes worth. Will post more as I find more. Thanks all

Peter

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 More stuff for sale, Nitto lugged seatpost, usual insertion marks, looks
 great. A true piece of bike jewelry. $110 shipped. I will be parting out my
 too big for me 61cm Soma Grand Randonneur tonight, Riv wheels, typical Riv
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[RBW] Re: Parts Purge Continues

[Goshen Peter]

Brushed silver, sorry.
On Dec 17, 2014 3:03 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ok, seatpost is spoken for. I have a set of paul brakes brand new with
 upgraded kool stop mountain pads, front neo retro, rear touring.
 $125 for a bikes worth. Will post more as I find more. Thanks all

 Peter

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 More stuff for sale, Nitto lugged seatpost, usual insertion marks, looks
 great. A true piece of bike jewelry. $110 shipped. I will be parting out my
 too big for me 61cm Soma Grand Randonneur tonight, Riv wheels, typical Riv
 build. Its a lovely bike but the extension above the seattube is just a
 hair too high and even with the seat slammed the saddle height is more
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bending back a bent fork

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I had a bikeshop do this for me years ago, they had a jig they put the fork
in and just mainupulated it until it was true to the jig. Now my fork was
squashed in shipping so not sure about the front to back bending.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Within reason, sure.  There was/is a shop tool that clamps to the fork
 tips like a hub would, and braces itself on the BB shell and you turn a
 leadscrew to push it back out.  If the forkblades are wrinkled at all, then
 you get a little more queasy about it.  Feel under the top tube and down
 tube right behind the lugs to check there for wrinkling as well.  But yes a
 competent framebuilder can advise when he/she sees it.


 On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:56:00 PM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 My adult son has a Rambouillet. He commutes on it. This guy doesn't
 ride lightly; he has more of a bulldozer approach to riding, it seems.
 One time he broke a frame by riding into a parked car. Yeah, his steel
 Trek frame broke at the head tube; I was so pleased that the frame
 broke to protect that valuable Trek fork.

 Anyway, when he took his bike to the shop for some very overdue
 maintenance, they noticed that his fork was slightly bent back,
 undoubtedly because he hit something. The bike is still ridable, but
 the handling would be better if the fork were as designed.

 The shop says they can get a frame builder to bend the fork back. Is
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[RBW] 61cm Soma Grand Randonneur FFHS

[Goshen Peter]

So while is sort out who wants what parts FS is a great condition FFHS.
headset is tange,BB is 113, can include if needed/wanted. Frame has less
than 500 miles and only has wear from buildups, no chips nicks or dents
that I could see when I built it up.

Link to soma page and info

http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/grand-randonneur-frame-set

Looking for $375 shipped but can work something out.

Thanks all

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Re: [RBW] 61cm Soma Grand Randonneur FFHS

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this one is similar, the ctc on the seatube is about 56cm, with 5 and
change above the seattube.

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 What's the C-C on the seat tube?  I had a 65 but it had a really big
 extension above the center, so it was sort of misnomer that it was a 65.
 It was more like a 58 or a 60 from C-C.   I sold it.  So what is this one
 like?

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 So while is sort out who wants what parts FS is a great condition FFHS.
 headset is tange,BB is 113, can include if needed/wanted. Frame has less
 than 500 miles and only has wear from buildups, no chips nicks or dents
 that I could see when I built it up.

 Link to soma page and info

 http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/grand-randonneur-frame-set

 Looking for $375 shipped but can work something out.

 Thanks all

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Re: [RBW] 61cm Soma Grand Randonneur FFHS

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Sorry, still coming up with prices. VP Gripsters, the grey off the site as
seen on bike. $50 shipped.

Damn, forgot pic. Parting out, buying a complete bike so cranks, pedals,
bars etc all FS.
On Dec 17, 2014 5:13 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:

 this one is similar, the ctc on the seatube is about 56cm, with 5 and
 change above the seattube.

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 What's the C-C on the seat tube?  I had a 65 but it had a really big
 extension above the center, so it was sort of misnomer that it was a 65.
 It was more like a 58 or a 60 from C-C.   I sold it.  So what is this one
 like?

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 wrote:

 So while is sort out who wants what parts FS is a great condition FFHS.
 headset is tange,BB is 113, can include if needed/wanted. Frame has less
 than 500 miles and only has wear from buildups, no chips nicks or dents
 that I could see when I built it up.

 Link to soma page and info

 http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/grand-randonneur-frame-set

 Looking for $375 shipped but can work something out.

 Thanks all

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Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

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its shopkins this year. I have an 8 year old girl and its all they want.
Retail is 5 bucks for a 5 pack of these little rubber toys, last I saw the
5 packs were going for 25 bucks most places because they are sold
everywhere. Law of supply and demand, although yeah crappy that some kids
wont get what they want because parents cant afford 5x retail.

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 I wonder how much beanie babies are going for now?  The sad part is some
 children will not get their Christmas wish because grown-ups are absconding
 and scalping the toys.


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Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

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sold out I should say.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
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 its shopkins this year. I have an 8 year old girl and its all they want.
 Retail is 5 bucks for a 5 pack of these little rubber toys, last I saw the
 5 packs were going for 25 bucks most places because they are sold
 everywhere. Law of supply and demand, although yeah crappy that some kids
 wont get what they want because parents cant afford 5x retail.

 On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wonder how much beanie babies are going for now?  The sad part is some
 children will not get their Christmas wish because grown-ups are absconding
 and scalping the toys.


 On Monday, December 15, 2014 2:11:22 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:

 http://www.cnet.com/news/buy-in-store-sell-online-at-a-fat-
 profit-its-happy-holidays-for-arbitragers/

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Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

[Goshen Peter]

Well I own 5 flat screen TVs a PS4, Gameboy, ipad, kindle fire and all the
other stuff we yes did fine without as kids but come on, they are fun
distractions. The issue is when they become all you do or all the kids do.
Everything is about moderation.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Patrick: agree wholeheartedly. Anton: good for you.

 I don't have a TV -- find it hard to watch most movies without getting
 bored or annoyed -- but daughter, alas, is very plugged in -- she lives
 mostly with her mother. But her mother and I have, and I think effectively,
 emphasized other values enough -- imposed them on Catie, come to that --
 that I think all is far from lost. And she has been a huge reader since the
 age of 6 or 7 when she discovered it is more fun to read than to have
 someone read to her.

 And I am glad I discovered Kindle: all sorts of wonderful free or
 almost-free classics of literature, history, spirituality, what have you.

 On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Amen, Patrick.  We've been TV-free since 2006, right after my second
 daughter was born. Will never go back.

 And the kids don't have phones, video games, or iPads. But they have more
 bookshelves chock full of books than their parents do, and a big old
 fashioned chalk board salvaged from school trash to draw on.




 On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:18:37 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Thank you, Peter! Now I'm even more thankful we have no TV and don't buy
 plastic or electronic toys toys.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: I saw this article and thought of the PB Bikes debate

[Goshen Peter]

He, my kid is amazing, special and perfect, just kidding hahaha. She
has my smart attitude and is already bored with school, good times ahead!

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe it's just winter grumpies, but this thread seems to be filled with
 self-congratulatory self-righteousness, which, IMHO, is not particularly
 Riv-ish.

 jim m
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Re: [RBW] Re: My stolen Rambouillet

[Goshen Peter]

I troll CL here in NYC and the Hudson valley daily so if it finds its way
over here will keep a lookout. Best of luck man, its a horrible feeling I
know.

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Mark Wilkins wilkins.m...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Geoffrey: Ah, yes...thanks for the reminder.  Sent off an email to Riv
 late last night.  Between them and the shop, I hope to hear something
 soon.

 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Geoffrey ring...@gmail.com wrote:
  Awww man Mark, I'm sorry.  This kind of crap boils my blood!  Good luck
 on
  that lead.  I bet Riv would be able to get you the serial # pretty easily
  based of their sales to the shop and when you bought it.  Just a thought.
  Also, search tempest is an easier way to cover lots of craigslistings at
 the
  same time:
 
 http://www.searchtempest.com/search?location=17101maxDist=400region_us=1search_string=Rivendellkeytype=advRegion=nacityselect=zippage=0category=8subcat=biaminAsk=minmaxAsk=max
 
  On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 2:14:41 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
 
  Regarding Serial Numbers, I've decided that I'm photographing every
 bike's
  serial number and posting it on flickr,  I have it on my computer, too.
  Here's my Atlantis:
 
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/15968356411/
 
  I feel like this makes it easy for me to find it if I need it, and it
 has
  a believable timestamp on it, showing WHEN it became mine.  That doesn't
  help you, I realize, but your situation reminds me to make sure all my
 bikes
  ser #s are photographed.  Good luck getting Rambo back!
 
  On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 7:46:40 AM UTC-8, Mark Wilkins wrote:
 
  Thanks for the kind wishes and help, everyone.
 
  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find the file where I kept the
  serial #.  I've been in touch with the shop where I bought it, and
  they do have paper records that go back that far...it just may take
  some time to find it.
 
  Someone on the Harrisburg Bicycle Club's facebook page said that they
  _might_have seen it on Sunday a couple towns over from mine.  He
  said...
 
  Not positive but I think I saw a bike like this outside the Legion in
  Newcumberland on Sunday. I have always loved the old school 10 speed
  style so it caught my eye and the name was one that I did not
  recognize. Once again, not sure but hopefully this will help you
  recover your property.
 
  The old school 10 speed style made me smile.
 
  On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 9:17 AM, bo richardson boru...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   serial number?
   mycriagslistfinder.com
   and jaxed.com should add up to
   pretty good us coverage
  
   if it goes into a container bound for
   foreign distribution, recovery is less likely, duh
  
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[RBW] anyone in NYC need cheap derailleurs?

[Goshen Peter]

not affiliated in any way, just saw and piqued my interest

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/4773143285.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is a marketing genius

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Wasn't there Buffalo talk when the Hunq was in proto??? +1 a millions times
Keith, a 56 Hunq would be my dream bike, personally.

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:41 PM, jpp paste...@notes.udayton.edu wrote:

 I felt like I remembered the name buffalo being thrown out there before.
 I wonder if it will stay an atlantis style bike or are they recycling a
 good name.  I really like the name Buffalo and image it would make a great
 headbadge.


 On Wednesday, December 10, 2014 12:15:47 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:

 The July 28, 2008 Blug entry mentions this, along with a few other
 pending models  (I thought I'd seen the name before, so did a quick
 search).  These were initially described as still-lugged-steel but less
 expensive frames, not to replace but to supplement the rest of the lineup.
 http://rivbike.tumblr.com/knotholearchive

 In addition to a less expensive mixte, in an *indescribable greenish*
 color and limited sizes, to be called the Betty Foy,  *a singlespeed
 that might be called the Simpleton*,  and a *Bleriot-Hilsen-Saluki
 kind of frame called the Sam Hillborne... an all-around road and light
 trail frame, touring compatible but not super beefed up for ultra-loads;
 and for sidepull or centerpull brakes and tires up to about 41mm wide. Four
 sizes, with 6-degree upsloping top tubes, to fit riders from about 5ft 2in
 to 6ft 5in*,  it mentions *an Atlantis-type bike that might be called
 the Buffalo*.

 The Betty Foy idea clearly morphed into the Cheviot, and is less
 expensive than the 'other' Betty Foy/Yves Gomez.   The Simpleton is
 obviously the Simple One and a replacement for the Quickbeam, but that one
 was inexpensive to begin with.  And the Sam Hillborne stayed pretty much
 true to intent, as a less-expensive alternative to the Hilsen .  So maybe
 the Buffalo will be pretty much as anticipated too, as a less expensive
 alternative to the Atlantis?

 On the other hand as we now know, the Appaloosa will be quite a bit
 different than originally intended.  So it could just be a good name, that
 they're attached to, for something entirely new.  Do they trademark these
 names once they think of them?  Would be interesting to know, in light of
 the fact that this particular Blug entry was titled 'loose lips sink ships.

 If the Buffalo is indeed to be an Atlantis-type bike, things are sure
 getting interesting all of a sudden.   Along with the Clem and new
 Stretch-Hillborne Appaloosa, this might actually make THREE new bikes with
 room for *fat* 700c tires!!![Grant, if you're listening, PLEASE make
 one of them in that elusive in-between size, equivalent to a 56
 Hunquapillar or  59.5 Atlantis, etc..!]


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 H. Buffalo?!!? What new cycle beast is this?

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Re: [RBW] Re: The tax man cometh, stuff Bosco Bars, Brooks for sale!

[Goshen Peter]

sorry, CR720s just sold. thanks all


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captainconwaybenn...@gmail.com wrote:

 I got popped too for the tune of what could be a new Hunq but I am still
 looking for some budget CR720s if you still got em.  I never did figure PMs
 but you can find me at captainconwaybennett@gmail.

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[RBW] Re: The tax man cometh, stuff Bosco Bars, Brooks for sale!

[Goshen Peter]

update, Saddle, Bars and stem sold. Still have the Piccolo, also found a
used set of CR720 brakes. Say $20 shipped?

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
wrote:

 ok, $65 for the saddle, need it gone!

 On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Tallux sold pending payment. Thanks.

 On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Got a lovely notice from our fine friends at the IRS that my wife failed
 to file for her second job in 2011 so lots of fees and penalties yaay!
 In that spirit here are some things for sale, prices are shipping included,
 paypal only. Thanks!

 Bosco Bars-Cromo 55cm, great shape-$40

 Brooks B17s-copper rails, copper rivets, about 5 years old and ridden by
 my featherweight friend for about 1k miles. Scuff on one side, not really
 broken in yet, no turns on tightening screw. ---$70

 Burly Piccolo with moose rack-used about 150 miles, kid got big! 125
 shipped or 100 picked up in orange county ny.

 Nitto Tallux-130mm extension nice shape, some scuffs from use. -$35

 More stuff coming as I go through the basement. link to flikr page with
 pics. Thanks all, and pay your taxes!

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[RBW] Re: The tax man cometh, stuff Bosco Bars, Brooks for sale!

[Goshen Peter]

Oh, and I have a pair of never worn Merrells vapor glove, size 11.5.
Amazing riding shoes, its all I use in the summer, lightweight, breathable
and super grippy. I ordered a few different sizes to see how they fit,
these were tried on once and never worn outside. I have them new in box.
$45 shipped. here is a link to the shoes.

http://www.merrell.com/US/en-US/Product.mvc.aspx/30843M/82580/Mens/Barefoot-Run-Vapor-Glove

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
wrote:

 update, Saddle, Bars and stem sold. Still have the Piccolo, also found a
 used set of CR720 brakes. Say $20 shipped?

 On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 ok, $65 for the saddle, need it gone!

 On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Tallux sold pending payment. Thanks.

 On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Got a lovely notice from our fine friends at the IRS that my wife
 failed to file for her second job in 2011 so lots of fees and penalties
 yaay! In that spirit here are some things for sale, prices are shipping
 included, paypal only. Thanks!

 Bosco Bars-Cromo 55cm, great shape-$40

 Brooks B17s-copper rails, copper rivets, about 5 years old and ridden
 by my featherweight friend for about 1k miles. Scuff on one side, not
 really broken in yet, no turns on tightening screw. ---$70

 Burly Piccolo with moose rack-used about 150 miles, kid got big! 125
 shipped or 100 picked up in orange county ny.

 Nitto Tallux-130mm extension nice shape, some scuffs from use. -$35

 More stuff coming as I go through the basement. link to flikr page with
 pics. Thanks all, and pay your taxes!

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/







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[RBW] The tax man cometh, stuff Bosco Bars, Brooks for sale!

[Goshen Peter]

Got a lovely notice from our fine friends at the IRS that my wife failed to
file for her second job in 2011 so lots of fees and penalties yaay! In
that spirit here are some things for sale, prices are shipping included,
paypal only. Thanks!

Bosco Bars-Cromo 55cm, great shape-$40

Brooks B17s-copper rails, copper rivets, about 5 years old and ridden by my
featherweight friend for about 1k miles. Scuff on one side, not really
broken in yet, no turns on tightening screw. ---$70

Burly Piccolo with moose rack-used about 150 miles, kid got big! 125
shipped or 100 picked up in orange county ny.

Nitto Tallux-130mm extension nice shape, some scuffs from use. -$35

More stuff coming as I go through the basement. link to flikr page with
pics. Thanks all, and pay your taxes!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/

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[RBW] Re: The tax man cometh, stuff Bosco Bars, Brooks for sale!

[Goshen Peter]

Tallux sold pending payment. Thanks.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Got a lovely notice from our fine friends at the IRS that my wife failed
 to file for her second job in 2011 so lots of fees and penalties yaay!
 In that spirit here are some things for sale, prices are shipping included,
 paypal only. Thanks!

 Bosco Bars-Cromo 55cm, great shape-$40

 Brooks B17s-copper rails, copper rivets, about 5 years old and ridden by
 my featherweight friend for about 1k miles. Scuff on one side, not really
 broken in yet, no turns on tightening screw. ---$70

 Burly Piccolo with moose rack-used about 150 miles, kid got big! 125
 shipped or 100 picked up in orange county ny.

 Nitto Tallux-130mm extension nice shape, some scuffs from use. -$35

 More stuff coming as I go through the basement. link to flikr page with
 pics. Thanks all, and pay your taxes!

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/




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[RBW] Re: The tax man cometh, stuff Bosco Bars, Brooks for sale!

[Goshen Peter]

ok, $65 for the saddle, need it gone!

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Tallux sold pending payment. Thanks.

 On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Got a lovely notice from our fine friends at the IRS that my wife failed
 to file for her second job in 2011 so lots of fees and penalties yaay!
 In that spirit here are some things for sale, prices are shipping included,
 paypal only. Thanks!

 Bosco Bars-Cromo 55cm, great shape-$40

 Brooks B17s-copper rails, copper rivets, about 5 years old and ridden by
 my featherweight friend for about 1k miles. Scuff on one side, not really
 broken in yet, no turns on tightening screw. ---$70

 Burly Piccolo with moose rack-used about 150 miles, kid got big! 125
 shipped or 100 picked up in orange county ny.

 Nitto Tallux-130mm extension nice shape, some scuffs from use. -$35

 More stuff coming as I go through the basement. link to flikr page with
 pics. Thanks all, and pay your taxes!

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/





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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[Goshen Peter]

oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine
anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the
bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven.nau...@gmail.com
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 Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair instructions
 I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help

 I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to adjust
 cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the wheel
 clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little practice
 you'll get it perfect every time.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[Goshen Peter]

+1 Joe, I learned to take step back and look at the bike a few times the
second time I realized when I got done that I had criss crossed the brake
and cable lines over each other on one side, not a major issue but an
annoyance that I couldn't let stay, aaarggh!

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Peter's reference to cables is on point: If you're already comfortable
 with *that,* you're ready for the other jobs you've listed. Read lots
 (especially about which way BB's thread in), look at pics, watch videos,
 grease threads, go slow, and have fun!

 PS. One thing I've learned the hard way is the need to keep a 'big
 picture' while wrenching. It's easy to lose track of what some other part
 of the bike is doing while you're up close with a wrench, so it's good to
 keep an eye on where everything is while you're working: Are the bars
 steady, or hitting the toptube? Is the chain dragging across paint while I
 mess with these cranks? Did I tighten that stem before I started taping the
 bars? That kinda thing.

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Friday, December 5, 2014 8:11:51 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:

 oh and forgot to mention if you get good at cables come here and do mine
 anyday! I have my whole cabling technique down but I have to say its the
 bike maintenance job I loathe the most, so tedious

 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Johan Larsson seven@gmail.com
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 Forgot to mention that Park Tool has the best service/repair
 instructions I've come across online - http://www.parktool.com/blog/
 repair-help

 I always try to lift forward their excellent instructions on how to
 adjust cup and cone wheel bearings - it's an ingenious method with the
 wheel clamped on one side on the outside of the frame, and with a little
 practice you'll get it perfect every time.

 /Johan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

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I only have one more piece of hard learned advice on the bike-your hand is
not a hammer, or a wrench or a pliers. It can be a crude substitute but
yes, get the right tool. Don't be an idiot like me and try to loose a
freewheel by banging on the wrench with your hand...1 surgery later lesson
learned

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 For Rivendell-list-type bikes? I've clamped tubes, top and down, since I
 bought my first Park stand in ~2003 (presently have a better one); and at
 the bike shop we clamped tubes on steel and aluminum; never using any
 padding except that which is part of the jaws. Since the Park had the old
 bolt in holes clamp adjustment system, I've put considerable pressure on
 many a steel tube with no ill effects.

 I've clamped exactly 1 carbon fiber bike (Specialized Roubaix) but forget
 if I clamped a tube or the carbon fiber seatpost -- Stevie, owner of shop,
 watching me.

 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net
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 And some smack-you-on-the-back-of-the-head-reminders
 Don't clamp the tubes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

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Chris makes a great point. For someone starting out I would say go with
park tools, they are good quality and built to last, yes they are pricey
but looking at my tool box full of blue handles makes me feel less anxious
when I get to the wrenching.  The thing I cheaped out on and should have
gotten a better one is a headset wrench, the one I had left gouges in soft
metals, not fun.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Chris in Redding, Ca. campredd...@gmail.com
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 On Friday, December 5, 2014 1:26:05 PM UTC-8, Peter M wrote: I only have
 one more piece of hard learned advice ... get the right tool.

 That is a very loose edit. Cost wise tools hurt at the outset. Around here
 they hurt worse than the first several repair bills from the local shop.
 Tool wise, 'good enough' is cheaper but 'very good' can add up, and it adds
 up. This list of musts and optional tools might be interesting to the OP.

 Smooth Tracks,
 Chris
 Redding, Ca.

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Re: [RBW] Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

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youtube is your friend at first, its easier to see visually what people are
doing than to read about it. Then just go for it, if you break something
expensive, you wont break it again most likely! I learned mostly on my own,
internet, youtube, a lot of trial and error.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:25 AM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can do some stuff on my bikes. Setting up cockpits and saddle/seatpost,
 brake lever/caliper/housing/cable installation and adjustment, pedals,
 shifter lever installation and adjustment, fender/rack installations,
 cassette/chain swapping, etc. The more basic stuff.

 But I haven't dared to do anything with bb's, cranksets, wheel
 building/truing, headset adjustment, derailer installation. Just don't
 wanna mess anything up.
 But I want to learn to do this stuff so I don't have to depend on the LBS
 for things.

 What's a good way to go about doing these more difficult things without
 damaging anything? Books and websites are helpful, but I still don't have
 the confidence to mess with the aforementioned stuff.

 Buy a beater and wrench away on it? But a lot of old road bike beaters
 don't match the type of components and frame of the RBW bikes and wheels,
 so I don't know how helpful that would be to break down and rebuild a
 Peugeot (for instance) to help me learn how to do maintenance on my
 Rivbikes.

 Any ideas? How'd you learn?

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Re: [RBW] New Rivendell path racer model (not really)

[Goshen Peter]

that rear unibody for the seatstay is cool looking. I wonder if riv could
do one wide enough for fat tires but without having it have ugly posts for
the stays.

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 On 12/02/2014 06:23 PM, Tim Gavin wrote:

  This one is all aero.  I wonder if it aero-planes?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Always tantalizing to look for frame specials

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they cant be added to a cart, or is that normal for a frame special?

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:50 PM, blakcloud blakclou...@gmail.com wrote:

 Three different browsers, all deleted caches and the frames still exist
 for me.

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 Refresh your browser or empty your cache, Patrick. The frames are gone,
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Re: [RBW] Re: I rode the Clem Smith proto this morning

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I am the same size as you Chris and am wondering the same thing. I'm afraid
on a 52 the tt will be too short for my taste.
On Nov 30, 2014 1:52 PM, Jim D Massachusetts jfxdinn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Any pictures? Jim D Massachusetts

 On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:48:04 PM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:

 It was smooth and stable and comfortable and responsive, the way all Rivs
 are. It's going to be a great bike. And tire clearance. Wow! Hunq-like.

 -Jim W.

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Re: [RBW] Re: I rode the Clem Smith proto this morning

[Goshen Peter]

Keith, we have the same pbh but I am 5'11 with longish torso and short
arms, finding bikes that fit me is a pain . I  was most recently riding a
56 bombadil. I am also in between on sizes. I wanted a Hunqapillar when
they came out but didn't want a yard of seatpost on the 54 and the 58 gave
me zero clearance. Same with 52/56 bombadil and 56/60(?) Sam, and the 58/61
Atlantis. The 60cm 650b Saluki would be a good fit but rare as hens teeth
and not nearly the tire clearance I would want. For me the perfect bike
would be a 55cm bombadil with a 60 cm TT and standover at around 84 with
Max tires. The 56 bombadil fit well in the TT but a tad too large to go big
rubber. A 58cm Sam/Joe appaloosa  with clearance for 60s no fenders would
also be great so fingers crossed.
On Nov 30, 2014 11:30 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Chris:

 Just for some more data points, I'm around 5'10 with an 85 cm PBH, and my
 seat around 75 cm, on a 58 cm Atlantis with 38 mm Soma C-lines.  I've also
 used 40 mm Schwalbe Marathons.  I would not ride anything bigger  could in
 fact ride a 56 cm Atlantis.  Hugh has a 56 shod with I believe 2.1 wide x
 26 tires.  We've ridden each others bikes and agree that, while it's
 close, the 56 has slightly more stand over than the 58.  Hoping this helps
 in your frame size cogitations.

 dougP

 On Sunday, November 30, 2014 6:59:51 PM UTC-8, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:

 Keith,

 I'm just shy of 6' tall and I've always thought of myself as short legged
 and longer torso'ed but I'm no longer sure that is accurate.  My 1983 MTB
 has a seat-tube of 57.5cm and a S.O. of 83 and I'm perfectly comfortable
 riding it.  In fact, I like how little seat-tube is showing and how easy it
 is to get the handlebars high, even with a very short quill stem.   Another
 bike has about a 57cm seat-tube and 84cm S.O. and I can ride it but
 wouldn't want to go any taller.  My saddle height might be closer to 74cm
 as I've recently realized that the one I set at 75cm has a lot of padding I
 probably compress,  My much flatter, less padded saddle sits at less than
 75cm from the BB.

 I've never ridden a Rivendell but I've looked at the geo charts of the
 bikes I'm interested in:

 I would ride a 54cm Hunqapillar.  No question about it but the tires I
 would run would put the S.O. higher than I would want for anything rougher
 than smooth dirt.  The next highest size would be way too big for me.

 On the Atlantis I think the 56cm would be the best height for me but
 given my experience with my other two bikes, I could ride a 58cm.  The main
 appeal of the Atlantis for me is the 26 wheels so that would preclude the
 58cm, regardless.

 I was thinking that maybe the 59cm Clem might be right for me but when
 Grant said up to 95 PBH, I pretty much counted it out.  That's a huge jump
 and I'm thinking the 52 has to be the right size for me but it still sounds
 too small.

 The three framesets I'm currently considering are the Surly LHT (56cm/26
 wheels), Troll (18) and Ogre (18).  The LHT would be just the right size
 although I might be able to stretch onto a 58cm.  The Troll and Ogre will
 have a ton of seat post showing but that's normal for that type of bike and
 the extreme angle of the top-tube would make it very, very easy to get my
 handlebars where I want them.  Plus, I really like the way MTB's ride.  I'm
 currently riding a 26 wheel bike that is comparable in front-end geometry
 to the 26 LHT and it's a little too twitchy for me, even with Big Apples.
 I am coming off 3 weeks of riding an 83 MTB with 80 mm of Trail, though!  I
 test rode a stock 26 LHT and the 26 wheels with 1.5 tires were just too
 twitchy for my tastes.  I had thought maybe MTB bars and 55mm tires would
 fix that but my current bike with similar front geometry shows me that's
 not the case.

 I'm always on the lookout for a medium (18) Troll, Ogre or Karate Monkey
 with a saddle set at 75cm so I can see what the proportions look like and
 just his weekend a guy posted a Troll that fit the bill.  It doesn't look
 too bad and given the Ogre has the same length seat tube, it should look
 the same.

 18 Troll with 75cm saddle height:




 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-18B1ZYRq_fA/VHvZghlZiJI/ADg/EHSp-JwyoRs/s1600/Medium%2BTroll%2Bwith%2B75cm%2Bsaddle%2B001.jpg







 On Sunday, November 30, 2014 7:04:19 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:

 Chris,

 If that Trek is a 52, the seatpost actually looks just about right.
 for the era it was made.   Funny how, once you know better, those old bikes
 just don't seem right anymore.  Another funny thing though is that a lot of
 people still jack the post up even further when they take photos to share,
 because they still think that the head-down, NORBA style looks authentic.
 So it probably only looks hideous to you.

 You and Peter now have me wondering, though, as we all three seem to be
 about the same size (87 PBH, 75.5cm saddle height).  I had been expecting
 that the 59 was going to be a good fit for 

Re: [RBW] Any Rivriders use the Queens-Brooklyn Greenway?

[Goshen Peter]

Looks can be deceiving... It's not terrible but whole sections in south
Brooklyn are occupied by rude pedestrians who think the whole way is for
them. Some of the hasids are anti bike since women are allowed to ride them
so best to avoid that crowd in Brooklyn. And every few miles you have road
crossings. In Queens it's a bit better but the road is a bit rougher. A
ride many of us in Brooklyn did but never again, too much of a headache. I
would often ride the path next to the belt Parkway down to coney Island,
it's fun in the summer and creepy in the winter!
On Nov 27, 2014 1:21 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 How's the riding?
 Safe?
 Looks like a great way to do an 80 miler by going from one end to the
 other and back!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New RBW fork crown?

[Goshen Peter]

still holding out that its for internal wiring, I know its petty but it
just makes sense to me seeing as I think at least a good bit of  Riv owners
ride with dyno lights and unlike Grant don't like zip ties all over their
bikes, haha.

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Are those two choices mutually exclusive? Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Monday, November 24, 2014 3:55:50 PM UTC-7, Z wrote:

 Looks like a half-crown sneak peek in the Thanksgiving Blug post... Or am
 I crazy?

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Re: [RBW] What components do you wish RBW would start making?

[Goshen Peter]

Don't want to start a high trail debate but I personally wouldn't tell
someone to have weight up high on the bars like you see on porteur low
trail bikes. That being said developing a declauer seems to be counter
intuitive to how Rivendells perform. Oh, this is all IMO, YMMV.
On Nov 25, 2014 6:20 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Since they are not componenteurs, but they do have their own Silver line
 and bag line, etc.

 I'll start:

 *Decaleurs.* I have recently been searching for decaleurs, and there seem
 to be slim pickin's in the bike biz these days. 5 total I have found.
 1 inexpensive and 1 mid point pricing models that all have mixed reviews,
 and 3 very expensive ones with seemingly no reviews I have found.

 So it would be cool if RBW came out with their own decaleur to offer. The
 bike industry needs another decaleur model.

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Re: [RBW] guidonnet lever reach adjustment ideas?

[Goshen Peter]

Kai, I had the other VO levers and used something like this for adjustment,
they just sit in the hole and are held with tension in the system.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/221241378462?lpid=82
On Nov 25, 2014 10:11 PM, Kainalu kaiviers...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks to a suggestion by Peter M., I got some of these guidonnet levers
 to make all kinds of space on my albatross bars. Only problem is there's no
 reach adjustment on the levers. With this problem percolating in the back
 of my mind, I was wandering Home Depot shopping for some electric supplies
 when I had an idea! (see bad joke photo with the light socket, I could make
 a worse joke and ask what bulb I should use if I want to power this with a
 dynamo, I'll spare you)
 So the lamp piece does the trick with a little filing of the cable stay,
 but I was wondering if there was something, some aftermarket part out there
 that solves this problem. If not, here it is, though I should've slotted
 the threaded sleeve to make for easy cable removal...
 -Kai
 Brooklyn NY

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Re: [RBW] guidonnet lever reach adjustment ideas?

[Goshen Peter]

but was never adventurous enough to attempt what you want, haha. Good luck!

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com
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 Kai, I had the other VO levers and used something like this for
 adjustment, they just sit in the hole and are held with tension in the
 system.

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/221241378462?lpid=82
 On Nov 25, 2014 10:11 PM, Kainalu kaiviers...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks to a suggestion by Peter M., I got some of these guidonnet levers
 to make all kinds of space on my albatross bars. Only problem is there's no
 reach adjustment on the levers. With this problem percolating in the back
 of my mind, I was wandering Home Depot shopping for some electric supplies
 when I had an idea! (see bad joke photo with the light socket, I could make
 a worse joke and ask what bulb I should use if I want to power this with a
 dynamo, I'll spare you)
 So the lamp piece does the trick with a little filing of the cable stay,
 but I was wondering if there was something, some aftermarket part out there
 that solves this problem. If not, here it is, though I should've slotted
 the threaded sleeve to make for easy cable removal...
 -Kai
 Brooklyn NY

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Re: [RBW] Speed Wobble on Big Rivs?

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What are your current bikes? Just curious how you are getting wobble at
only 18mph with a rear load.

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 Currently in the market for a lugged steel roadbike for commuting. I only
 use a rear rack with a basket containing 15lbs or so of stuff. Current (and
 past) bikes get that front end lateral shimmy/wobble at 16-18mph or faster
 when loaded with 200lb me and my gear on it when I ride with no hands off
 my drop bars. Super annoying, and problem only goes away when I put hands
 back on ths bars or clamp the top tube with my legs. And yes I have tried
 tightening my headset and stem down (amongst many other tactics). According
 to RBW, Im sized in the low 60's of their double top tube bikes.

 MY QUESTION IS: Any similar or larger Riv Riders get the front of the bike
 shaking when loaded rear only? Not looking to change how I ride, just want
 to know if buying a double top tube bike will cure this problem.

 Many Many Thanx !!!

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Re: [RBW] Oregon Outback and water

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Hmm, riding around NYC I had the backpack full of crap for years. Once you
get used to it its really not a big deal. Now you if you just throw one on
for a ride for the first time year its gonna be different, sore shoulders,
weird pack moving sensation and the like but it only took me a couple of
weeks to get used to. My only issue with the camelback is I am really
sweaty and it made my back sweat more and it was really gross.

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 I know, and I don't get those, either. But I've seen bikepackers with full
 packs before. None of them understand my set up either, so it works out. I
 get odd questions like How do you fit through the narrow trails? when the
 SaddleSack is no wider than my body on the bike.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Monday, November 24, 2014 12:56:50 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 They don't wear full backpacking packs, typically. They wear packs
 designed for cyclists, like these:

 http://www.rei.com/product/847872/camelbak-mule-hydration-pack-100-fl-oz
 http://shop.camelbak.com/hawg-nv/d/1003_cl_3900
 http://shop.camelbak.com/volt-13-lr/d/1247_cl_3426
 http://www.ospreypacks.com/en/product/mens_1_1/raptor_14_1

 I happen to have a Camelbak HAWG and a Camelback Volt and have worn
 each one on numerous rides. I've not noticed any difference in
 handling of the bike. They're fine. Where I live, a lot of people wear
 hydration packs when they're riding off road. This is not unusual or
 strange.

 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com
 wrote:
  Yeah. Folks who wear a backpack baffle me. I did a ride with a friend
 who
  didn't have panniers, so he brought a quality running pack to cary his
 gear
  for the day. Have the weight op that high annoyed him to no end, and he
 test
  rode without it and felt an amazing difference. All with about 10
 pounds of
  stuff. I have no idea how the folks wearing full backpacking packs when
  bikepacking do it.
 
  With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Cold weather water ideas - how to stop freezing bottles?

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Wine? It never froze going skiing, but again maybe we drank it too fast

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com wrote:

 To the northerners here - what are your solutions for keeping water from
 freezing on long winter rides? I'm mean when it's real cold, -10C to -35C.
 I've tried it all - insulated water bottles (works for a little while),
 insulated sleeves around insulated water bottles (works better than just
 bottles, but still has limits), and my personal favourite, pouring a bunch
 of bourbon into your water (kinda works I think, but maybe I just drank it
 all before it had a chance to freeze..).

 I'm planning a 160km ride over Christmas break up to my family's cabin. It
 will be cold, with stops approx every 40km. So I could just not drink any
 water other than at the stops, but that isn't ideal. Any home-brew
 solutions out there? I had also thought of insulating my Swift Ozette bag
 with some heat reflecting material and air bubble wrap, sealing it
 relatively tight and throwing a hand warmer in there (assuming there is
 enough air movement to keep the chemical reaction going).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek

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I was hoping they were finally embracing internal wiring for lights, they
already have some bikes with threaded fork crowns, I know my old bombadil
had one.

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA benzouy...@gmail.com
wrote:

 That looks like one arm of a fork crown, complete with a possible
 threaded 5mm hole for a front rack.


 On Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:12:43 AM UTC-8, James Warren wrote:


 I'm realizing what the most interesting-to-me part of the most recent
 Blug post is. It's the graphic just above the plate of food.

 -Jim W.

 On Nov 22, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Grant Petersen wrote:

 
 
  The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for
 another bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get
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Re: [RBW] Joe Appaloosa sneak peek

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Ok, so in my dork mind they will be Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the
White,  a good bike and a more refined version of bike.

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote:

 So the Clem was the budget Appaloosa but is now the only Appaloosa if I am
 getting this right.

 GP's latest says no - two different bikes.  May look somewhat the same -
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Re: [RBW] Joe Appaloosa sneak peek

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but weren't there built and branded appaloosa bikes with the headbadge and
all?

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote:

 Same bike, new name.

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 Check the blug, I think that's the Clem. Also seen in the two fish bottle
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Re: [RBW] Joe Appaloosa sneak peek

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So the Clem was the budget Appaloosa but is now the only Appaloosa if I am
getting this right.

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thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote:

  Protovelos only, I think.  Mystery Bikes, and a couple or a few at
 Walnut Creek?



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 but weren't there built and branded appaloosa bikes with the headbadge and
 all?



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 Same bike, new name.


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 Check the blug, I think that's the Clem. Also seen in the two fish bottle
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[RBW] Appaloosa fall 2015

[Goshen Peter]

Per newest Blug update. Probably makes sense to keep the Sam for a bit more
as its their best selling bike and all. I mean I think its a great deal
without any Clem Appaloosa etc

The PLAN was to put Sam on hiatus, let it take a breather in the wings
while we introduced joe Appaloosa…and also get Clem Smith Jr. (best name
ever for an unracing bike) out in early Spring. But…it’s not that easy, not
a matter of Planning and hoping and imagining and trying. It’s more money
and timing and reserving the factory time in tme, and getting samples in
time to approve (got ClemSamps, not got joeAppa samps).

So rather than put Sam and Chev on hold and play keystone kops trying to
rush Clem and joeAP out prematurely and the next thing you know they came
out funky and we’re screwed….we (Dave more than me, and thank you, Dave)
suggested we stick with Sam  Chev and let Clem and joeAPPA come along at a
sane  pace…like maybe fall of ‘15?

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa fall 2015

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Only in my wildest dreams!! its off the latest Blug update.

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 Do you work at RBW?

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[RBW] OT-Bosco Rubbe......

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not exactly but I think my kid would love this thing

http://www.bikeradar.com/beginners/news/article/specialized-rolls-out-fat-bikes-for-kids-43028/

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Re: [RBW] Re: To the southern folk out there

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Hell when I lived in South Carolina they spoke of those uppity damn Yankees
in Charlotte and in most of NC, haha. I really miss shrimp and grits,
steampots, fresh steamed crawfish and of course mustard bbq, the best hands
down.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Tim Gavin tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com
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 The Mason-Dixon line, aka the Waffle House line.  No Waffle Houses north
 of the M-D line.  I'm a Yankee from Iowa, but I prefer Waffle House to
 IHOP.  Mmmm, pecan waffles...

 I'm not the first to make this observation.
 http://www.theonion.com/articles/masondixon-line-renamed-ihopwaffle-house-line,9630/

 Other foods I miss from the South:  Good BBQ, in its many regional
 variants.  Cajun cuisine.  Fresh seafood, especially Gulf shrimp.  Beans 
 rice.  Cheese grits.  Bananas Foster.  Beignets.  Muffalettas.

 I flew as a flight instructor based in Pensacola, FL, and we made fuel
 stops all over the south.  Often, the choice for where to stop was based on
 what local food was available.  Typical phone call: Hello, Lake Charles
 Flight Service?  You're serving Crawfish Etoufee today?  Sweet, we'll be
 there in a couple hours.

 However, when I lived in the south, I couldn't get: Good sweet corn
 (Iowa's is tops).  German food.  And usually their green veggies were
 swimming in pork grease.

 And I never understood how there are probably twice as many ice cream
 shops (per capita) in the North compared to the South?  I mean, it's warm
 down there so you'd think ice cream would sell well.  Go figure.

 -Tim


 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's a Texas thing - it's jokes - Canada is up by Dalhart, Ohio is a
 northern county.  After all, it's 900 miles to get across Texas, either N-S
 or E-W.

 On Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:11:53 AM UTC-6, Eunice Chang wrote:

 Some believe the North/South designations are designated by Mason-Dixon
 line. As in there's no good sweet tea or grits above the mason-dixon line.

 Maryland is just right below the mason-dixon line, and therefore
 southern.

 In reality, it doesn't matter as all of 50 states (even Hawaii) were
 below freezing Monday night!
 http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/18/all-50-states-have-
 below-freezing-temperatures/

 -E.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa?

[Goshen Peter]

Whoa Eric, don't hold back tell us how you really feel, hahaha. I too am a
skeptic but Grant and crew have ways of surprising so I am still holding
judgement until some ride reports on these new models, the proof is in the
pudding after all.

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 That Appaloosa bike is pretty much the ugliest thing ever. It kinda
 reminds me of a beach cruiser and there's no positive association with
 such.

 Clem Smith = stupid name  nothing special. If that's the price point
 they're targeting I'll buy a Surly.

 Isn't the Yen on a 7-year low?

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Re: [RBW] Re: To the southern folk out there

[Goshen Peter]

Oh no Ron, lets keep it friendly and agree that Kansas style is the worst
at least?

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 We can really get a fight started if we bring on BBQ.
 This is Smitty's Market in Lockhart.


 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Erin%20II/cP535.jpg

 Sauce?  We dun need no sauce


 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Erin%20II/cP539.jpg

 But you better bring your knife, or everyone will know you're not from here




 On Thursday, November 20, 2014 10:12:14 AM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:

 Hell when I lived in South Carolina they spoke of those uppity damn
 Yankees in Charlotte and in most of NC, haha. I really miss shrimp and
 grits, steampots, fresh steamed crawfish and of course mustard bbq, the
 best hands down.

 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Tim Gavin tim@littlevillagemag.com
  wrote:

 The Mason-Dixon line, aka the Waffle House line.  No Waffle Houses north
 of the M-D line.  I'm a Yankee from Iowa, but I prefer Waffle House to
 IHOP.  Mmmm, pecan waffles...

 I'm not the first to make this observation.  http://www.theonion.com/
 articles/masondixon-line-renamed-ihopwaffle-house-line,9630/

 Other foods I miss from the South:  Good BBQ, in its many regional
 variants.  Cajun cuisine.  Fresh seafood, especially Gulf shrimp.  Beans 
 rice.  Cheese grits.  Bananas Foster.  Beignets.  Muffalettas.

 I flew as a flight instructor based in Pensacola, FL, and we made fuel
 stops all over the south.  Often, the choice for where to stop was based on
 what local food was available.  Typical phone call: Hello, Lake Charles
 Flight Service?  You're serving Crawfish Etoufee today?  Sweet, we'll be
 there in a couple hours.

 However, when I lived in the south, I couldn't get: Good sweet corn
 (Iowa's is tops).  German food.  And usually their green veggies were
 swimming in pork grease.

 And I never understood how there are probably twice as many ice cream
 shops (per capita) in the North compared to the South?  I mean, it's warm
 down there so you'd think ice cream would sell well.  Go figure.

 -Tim


 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's a Texas thing - it's jokes - Canada is up by Dalhart, Ohio is a
 northern county.  After all, it's 900 miles to get across Texas, either N-S
 or E-W.

 On Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:11:53 AM UTC-6, Eunice Chang wrote:

 Some believe the North/South designations are designated by
 Mason-Dixon line. As in there's no good sweet tea or grits above the
 mason-dixon line.

 Maryland is just right below the mason-dixon line, and therefore
 southern.

 In reality, it doesn't matter as all of 50 states (even Hawaii) were
 below freezing Monday night!
 http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/18/all-50-states-have-bel
 ow-freezing-temperatures/

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Re: [RBW] Re: To the southern folk out there

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That is a nice smoker Ron. I have the big boy webber with smoker box
attached inside, not as much capacity as you but ribs out of mine after 7
hours are amazing. We are lucky to have a few smokehouses in the summer
locally, one in riding distance I went to all to often this summer, haha.
On Nov 20, 2014 7:07 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've only spit watermelon seeds in Luling.  What bbq places are good there?

 I haven't been out to Llano since the 90s.  My first wife had family in
 Brady, so we used to go through Llano a few times a year.

 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 Between Lockhart, Luling and Llano, we have the 5 best BBQ stop on the
 planet, so I don't have to go very far.
 Here's a little of my own, venison flanks and backstrap

 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/decoy/bambi.jpg

 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/decoy/abite.jpg

 yes, anything after two days on the smoker is wonderful, goat, javelina,
 and it's next to impossible to beat a good sirloin roast off the smoker.


 On Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:29:07 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 11/20/2014 04:18 PM, Tim Gavin wrote:


  But then, smoked BBQ is traditionally a method to prepare
 *sub-standard* cuts of meat and keep them moist.


 Are you talking about USDA quality and yield grades below Standard,
 i.e., Commercial grade and Utility, Cutter and Canner grade?
 http://www.meatgrades.com/


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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?

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Not sarcastic at all but that is worth almost 4x the price of the VO one?
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-wheel-stabilizer.html
I have heard mixed reviews about VO version but its certainly cheap enough
to give a try, unless of course its junk.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 I have the hebie 695, I got it at clever cycles (in Portland), where it
 lists for $40.

 http://clevercycles.com/hebie-steering-stabilizer-695

 Now when I park my bike, I flick the double kickstand, and walk away.

 I can probably lower the dosage on my anti-anxiety meds and that would pay
 for itself!

 cc

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 rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 OK, so where do you get this and what's its official name ... The
 Stabilizer?

 Matt

 On Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:02:24 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:

 The stabilizer works and it's not too pricey :)

 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Cecily Walker cecily...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Thanks for the video, Clayton. I can't play it on my Windows computer
 at work, but I'll check it out from home.

 Cheers!


 On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:36:43 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:

 Cecily, I read your post and designed a simple contraption for my
 Atlantis. I recently bought a Nitto big front rack from Riv and it  flops!
 It was easy to make. I had a frame bag that I made, so I used that to
 anchor and store the elastic backed strap when not in use. Mine is 
 anchored
 on one end, but you could make it with hooks on each end. The first one I
 made was just a cord with hooks. I found it tangled in my bike bag, so I
 sewed a strap to stretched out, weak elastic. It shrinks it in half when
 not attached, less tangles. Watch the video attached all the way until it
 stops for a demo. It's cheap, fast, light and unbreakable. Perfect for
 touring and daily use. We must banish wheel flop!

 Clayton (Bend)

 On Friday, October 31, 2014 5:25:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Since putting a Mark's Rack and a basket on the front of my Betty
 Foy, my front handlebars flop most prodigiously (and annoyingly) when
 there's anything in the basket. I'm writing to get you folks' opinions on
 wheel stabilizers, or any other solutions you can think of to fight the
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa?

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So the Mystery bike is gonna be the Joe Appaloosa which was previously
called the Clem Smith? This is like watching Dynasty with my mom as a
kid.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:40 PM, iamkeith keithhar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe the name Clem Smith just had too much baggage associated with
 it?  Wouldn't want to alienate prospective buyers from the far right:
 http://www.trevorloudon.com/2011/04/red-reps-7-clem-smith-communist-party-sympathizer-in-the-missouri-state-legislature/


 Or maybe it's another project altogether?  Someone hear should know.


 On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:20:40 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:


 [Sam Hillborne] is going to get benched for a year or so to make room
 for the Joe Appaloosa, a name that was originally pegged for a super long
 bike, but now we’re putting that name on this other model, is a new
 statement on the Riv Blug.

 But I can't tell what is meant by this other model. Is it Clem Smith
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Re: [RBW] To the southern folk out there

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25 out now with a windchill of 10,i got your light dusting right here! Jk

On Nov 18, 2014 6:29 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually Sunday night some areas only about 40-50 miles north of Austin,
 TX here got a light dusting of snow.  It hasn't been warm lately down here
 either.  The weekend looks warmer, but with high probabilities of rain :(

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 Enjoy yourselves down there. But please, don't make us Northern folk feel
 too bad with photos of beaches and short sleeves. At least not until we get
 used to the change. It's going to be a long winter...


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet

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If only I was 4 inches shorter.
On Nov 15, 2014 2:53 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is getting better and better, if the bike is in good condition. The
 price is for a built bike, correct?

 (Not in the market, as I have a very nice blue 58 Ram, but $1K for a well
 built one is not a bad price. IIRC, my out of pocket for the built bike (I
 bought frame and parts separately) was just under $1K.

 On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 10:06 AM, bingomck bingo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry, just looking for a sale for now. Already bought my replacement
 bike-- you know how it goes =)

 Let's try $1,000 + shipping and packing. Thanks all.

 On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:13:13 AM UTC-8, Michael Gasparino wrote:

 Any chance of a trade for a 56cm simple one?

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Re: [RBW] Cyclocross and a little contest

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More power to anyone who wants to try a new thing but the idea of carrying
my bike instead of riding it just seems off IMO

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 Just a heads-up for our little contest – guess how much mud my 'cross bike
 hauled around at the end of last weekend's race. The best guess wins a
 1-year subscription to *Bicycle Quarterly*.

 I haven't seen much discussion of cyclocross here, even though it seems
 like it would appeal to many here – it's fun and exhilarating, and compared
 to any other forms of racing, there is little or no pressure or
 snobbish-ness. I've been racing my Alan – friction shifting, bar-ends,
 lugged frame – and everybody seems to love the classic bike. More about the
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 http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/11/14/why-i-love-cyclocross/

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Re: [RBW] Re: HIgh hopes on ebay

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I would think his prices and business practices speak for themselves, not
really interested in reading some diatribe from someone who wants people's
hard earned money.

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 I don't have a lot of time at the moment to say what I'd like to say about
 whether or not to let Mr. PB*bikes make a statement on this thread, so
 simply I think not. Ebay would be the forum for that.

 It's his business model that's his right more power to him. Folk who
 really need that item(s) and don't have a budget or what ever it's also
 their right to spend their money as they see fit. I do have a budget and I
 would seriously question my sanity if I felt so compelled that I needed
 that item at an inflated price.

 I think everyone has been polite. The posting was meant as a can you
 believe what he's asking for that!!

 In the end I of course  will abide by Jim's decision.


 ~Hugh

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 Ok...

 Everybody take a breath.

 Thanks.


 I'm kind of conflicted on this thread.  I've been working on a project
 which finished up this morning, so I'm probably just worn out and grumpy
 enough to ask just why this is a RBW related topic.

 On the other hand, the actual auctioneer has contacted me directly asking
 if he could post a response, which is currently in the moderation queue.
 It's kind of blunt in places, but I'm guessing that it generally reflects
 his nature.  He does talk about how he runs his business.

 I've got another project starting this afternoon, which means I can't
 really micro-manage the responses - which I will say have shown reasonable
 restraint so far.   I'm wondering whether the response will simply be the
 gasoline which creates a fairly dramatic fireball.

 Like I say, I'm kind of conflicted.

 I've followed through the comments so far, and there are many folks who
 think it's just head-shaking funny.  The Sucker Born Every Minute camp.
 That's pretty much where I am, having served many years in the retail
 trenches in a fairly affluent neck of the woods, I've seen people peel off
 bills or crack a credit card for some reasonable ridiculous items, just
 because they were the most expensive.  As they say, you don't buy a Rolex
 just because you want to know what time it is.

 Then there are a few folks who have used stronger descriptions. And that
 is what worries me.

 I'll probably think on this while I have lunch, but when I come back, I'm
 leaning towards just letting the fellow make a few public statements.
 After all, we did start this topic of discussion.  I would probably keep
 him moderated, so responses would not be instant due to the queue delay.

 I guess the end result will simply be killing this thread now or passing
 his comment through with the hope that we find our better selves and pause
 a moment before responding.  And of course, if it all devolves, that will
 still mean killing the thread.


 If you have some thoughts, share them here.

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Re: [RBW] PSA: Atlantis and Betty For Sale on CL

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Strange, I frequent estate sales here in NY with my mom and usually the
prices are really good, not yardsale giving it away good but below or at
market. These are above market, IMO, especially for an estate sale.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Chris citrowbri...@gmail.com wrote:

 In my neck of the woods, but not mine. Seem to be pretty cherry, but the
 price still may leave more than a little to be desired:
 http://chico.craigslist.org/bik/4757057166.html


 Chris Trowbridge

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Re: [RBW] For Sale-58cm Atlantis Frame/Fork/Headset

[Goshen Peter]

that paint has a lot of stories to tell, I would leave it as is, wish it
fit me

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Manuel Acosta 
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 solid Deal. Plenty of love on this bike.congrats to the person who jumps
 on this. Gabe is good people and this is a great deal for an atlantis.

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Re: [RBW] Re: HIgh hopes on ebay

[Goshen Peter]

People, ebay is an online auction house. The rules of the Auction house are
they present the product, you decide how much you want to pay. Now blatant
mis-representation is illegal and immoral but listing something for double
what its worth isnt either of those things. Why is a Rothko worth $40
million? because thats what someone paid for it.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 the formula is simple - he buys parts in auction on ebay and re-sells them
 in a BIN store at double his purchase price (or more).  In many cases, he
 is simply fishing for idiots, sometimes people who don't know better, other
 times, impatient people who won't wait for a better deal.

 On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 11:45:10 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Go through his ebay storefront, s/he has a LOT of vintage parts for sale,
 and what seem to be highly inflated prices. But when you look at the
 feedback, 9,999 happy customers that seem content to pay those prices. So I
 guess s/he has figured out a pretty lucrative business model.

 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:19 AM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Really? Is there a sucker born every minute. In an age where we can do a
 search and find the reasonable price for an item. I realize that his tactic
 must work otherwise he wouldn't list such absurd prices but It's hard to
 conceive anyone, especially someone who's purchased a purchased a Riv to be
 so gullible. Perhaps there's a blog or consumer watch dog site devoted to
 Ebay BS?

 ~Hugh


 On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:31:10 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com
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 Act fast, and you can own a $450 Nitto stem to match your $100
 Rivendell water bottle!
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/281339963578

 And this one is a deal with handlebars thrown in the mix:
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/271624744767
 Who  can say no to such a once in a lifetime opportunity!?!?!



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Re: [RBW] Is the Bleriot/Honjos/ Hetres clearance I have not enough?

[Goshen Peter]

With honjos hetres and a Rivendell if there isnt rubbing you are all good,
at last thats how i rode the AHH, very tight clearances. I think as the
fenders got more and more rock hits they quieted down, now i almost never
hear them. Not sure if thats the tires wearing in or the fenders are now
nice and grimy and dont give that metallic ping ping when rocks do get up
there.

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 I rechecked and looks like maybe 1cm tops under calipers. Hard to tell for
 sure as too tight to see under there.
 A few 2-5mm from stay eyelet bolts to tires, depends on which fender.
 About 1.5 at fender ends from tire to inside of fender.

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Re: [RBW] Re: HIgh hopes on ebay

[Goshen Peter]

Oh, i hear you. When see outrageous prices i know it is PB bikes or another
seller or two that deals in overpriced vintage items. I would think from
a business model Ebay would never let you filter out sellers, that would
hurt their commission on said sales and the bottom line, which is all that
really matters for ebay and thier quasi-legal offshore bank known as
paypal. I dont know for sure that these items drive everything up, I mean i
see his crap hang out for months on ebay so its not like people are just
falling over themselves to buy it. When i list stuff i list it at real
prices and it sells in a day or two, my time is worth more than hoping
someone comes along and pays an inflated price, but i am not running a
business.  Yeah its scummy to take advantage of people who dont know any
better but its capitalism, for better or worse.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Peter, you are correct, and I'm not aware that anyone is accusing him of
 violating any rules or principles of honesty.  But by setting prices to
 obscenely high sums, and actually waiting for someone desperate enough to
 pay them, he's effectively driving the entire market up.

 I mentioned that I'd love to block him from my search results, and it's
 because I'm not desperate enough to ever pay his prices and his listings
 just end up being unwanted noise that I need to mentally filter out of my
 search results since eBay won't let me filter them out informatically.

 Anton



 On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 3:49:58 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:

 People, ebay is an online auction house. The rules of the Auction house
 are they present the product, you decide how much you want to pay. Now
 blatant mis-representation is illegal and immoral but listing something for
 double what its worth isnt either of those things. Why is a Rothko worth
 $40 million? because thats what someone paid for it.

 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com wrote:

 the formula is simple - he buys parts in auction on ebay and re-sells
 them in a BIN store at double his purchase price (or more).  In many cases,
 he is simply fishing for idiots, sometimes people who don't know better,
 other times, impatient people who won't wait for a better deal.

 On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 11:45:10 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Go through his ebay storefront, s/he has a LOT of vintage parts for
 sale, and what seem to be highly inflated prices. But when you look at the
 feedback, 9,999 happy customers that seem content to pay those prices. So I
 guess s/he has figured out a pretty lucrative business model.

 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:19 AM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Really? Is there a sucker born every minute. In an age where we can do
 a search and find the reasonable price for an item. I realize that his
 tactic must work otherwise he wouldn't list such absurd prices but It's
 hard to conceive anyone, especially someone who's purchased a purchased a
 Riv to be so gullible. Perhaps there's a blog or consumer watch dog site
 devoted to Ebay BS?

 ~Hugh


 On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:31:10 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Act fast, and you can own a $450 Nitto stem to match your $100
 Rivendell water bottle!
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/281339963578

 And this one is a deal with handlebars thrown in the mix:
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/271624744767
 Who  can say no to such a once in a lifetime opportunity!?!?!



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Re: [RBW] Re: OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.

[Goshen Peter]

every year he eats just enough to keep the population at 100, really
impressive actually. :)

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

  On 11/09/2014 05:43 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 My fat comes mostly from 100 grass fed cows (meat and dairy), wild caught
 fish (salmon, tuna, cod), and coconut oil.


 Did you mean 100 *per cent* grass fed cows, or did you literally mean 99
 cows and then one more cow?


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