Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Jack Newcomb]

Also heres a 61cm roadini in orange for 2500
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/south-colby-rivendell-roadini-61cm/7730137923.html

On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 9:48:01 PM UTC-7 Jack Newcomb wrote:

>
> iirc the pricing was even worse the last time they listed it. sad to see
> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 8:17:37 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> That 51 on CL Seattle: pricing is nuts. Seems like a common theme with 
>> Rivs for sale. 
>>
>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 1:25:55 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The 51cm Atlantis from Seattle that Matti posted is a newer style MIT 
>>> Atlantis made for 650b wheels. While I still think the one in question is 
>>> possibly also a 51cm, it’s a Toyo model made for 26” wheels. My frame of 
>>> reference is usually the amount of headtube space between the top tube and 
>>> down tube. If there’s a pump peg, that gives you an even better reference 
>>> point for eyeing up the size of a frame.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Jack Newcomb]

iirc the pricing was even worse the last time they listed it. sad to see
On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 8:17:37 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> That 51 on CL Seattle: pricing is nuts. Seems like a common theme with 
> Rivs for sale. 
>
> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 1:25:55 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The 51cm Atlantis from Seattle that Matti posted is a newer style MIT 
>> Atlantis made for 650b wheels. While I still think the one in question is 
>> possibly also a 51cm, it’s a Toyo model made for 26” wheels. My frame of 
>> reference is usually the amount of headtube space between the top tube and 
>> down tube. If there’s a pump peg, that gives you an even better reference 
>> point for eyeing up the size of a frame.
>
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[RBW] Re: V-Brake Measurement Request

[Jack Newcomb]

Here's my deore xt v brakes on my latest revision sam hillborne. In person 
i measured 10.5 cm to the top of the brake arm 
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 8:25:30 AM UTC-7 George Rosselle wrote:

> I have a similar set up on an old Fat Chance, and it is 4 1/4" to the top 
> of the straddle wire on the brakes. So it will not make it under your rack 
> but might clear over the top of it.
>
> On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 5:43:17 PM UTC-4 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> Hey folks,
>> By any chance, are you running v-brakes AND a front rack? If so, would 
>> you mind taking some measurements?
>>
>> My Sam is setup with a Nitto M12 front rack and some cantilever brakes. 
>> I'd like to swap over to v-brakes however I want to make sure there's 
>> enough clearance.
>>
>> [image: IMG_1796.JPG]
>>
>> Looks like I've got a solid 3.75 inches from the center of the brake 
>> posts to the bottom of the rack. I'm hoping v-brake wires will fit 
>> underneath (or above) the rack post without interference. When looking at 
>> images online, and on the Riv site, it looks like the wire pass right in 
>> front of the fork crown hole.
>>
>> If you're got v-brakes, could you take a measurement and let me know? 
>>
>> Many thanks in advance, 
>> Tony
>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Jack Newcomb]

It looks bigger than a 57 to me though. 

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:24:10 AM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> That Hillborne seems very cheap for a complete bike. 
>
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:01:32 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> SAM HILLBORNE
>> 57cm
>> 1200
>> San Francisco, CA
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/d/portola-valley-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7657012769.html
>>
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Campee 27F rack vs rack combos

[Jack Newcomb]

I've been waiting for the 27F to come back for almost a year now. Say it 
aint so!

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 11:28:01 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I believe the 27F is out of production as is the 27R. Soma has a 27R for 
> sale…
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 9:25:50 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Andy Reed used three question marks:
>> 1. regarding the fact that the 27F is hard to find: "Any insights on 
>> this?"  Nope.  I always bought mine from Alex's Cycle in Japan and even 
>> they don't have it
>> 2. regarding the manufacturability: "Is it just an incredibly 
>> time-consuming rack, they only make a very small batch of them at a time?" 
>>  I'm sure it is time consuming, and I expect it's just low priority 
>> relative to other hot sellers.
>> 3. Regarding the status of the 27F: "is the Campee 27F still the GROAT 
>> and worth the wait?  I think it is indeed the superior front rack.  Whether 
>> it's worth the wait depends on the person doing the waiting.  I think that 
>> the best way to run the 27F is with rectangular panniers that are designed 
>> to fit that same size and shape.  If you've already got "normal" looking 
>> panniers from Ortlieb or similar, I think that's a weird looking setup.  I 
>> personally have one pair of Ostrich and one pair of Carradice panniers to 
>> run on my small collection of these Nitto front and rear racks.  I've got 2 
>> of the 27F fronts, one of the more burly "Mt Campee" front I think they 
>> call that the 20F.  I've also got two of the 700c rears, the 27R (or is it 
>> R27?).  
>>
>> The only way to do it better IMO is a custom that copies the setup but in 
>> lighter tubing or a more minimalist set of contact points designed around 
>> the bike.  Those top notch rack makers are in a class by themselves.  Off 
>> the shelf, the Nitto 27F is the business IMHO.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 6:44:22 AM UTC-7 andyree...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello group! 
>>> I recently purchased the Nitto Mini Campee front rack for my rando bag 
>>> with the idea of adding something like a TUBUS low rider or Marks Hub Area 
>>> rack (MF2) for pannier- carrying come S24O time. 
>>>
>>> Then I remembered Nitto's most grandiose front rack, the Campee 27F and 
>>> from my POV, that seems like the smartest, most elegant solution for a bike 
>>> that will always carry a central bag with the option of adding panniers. 
>>> The only rub is that rack is out of stock everywhere...it seems like Nitto 
>>> might not even be making it anymore *(this is pure speculation but it 
>>> also seems like VO dropped their front-camper rack as well)*. Any 
>>> insights on this? Is it just an incredibly time-consuming rack, they only 
>>> make a very small batch of them at a time? 
>>>
>>> The main reason why the Campee 27F is calling my name is that the 
>>> low-rider racks are both modular AND angled. It doesn't seem like the MF2 
>>> or Tubus offerings have that feature and I was wondering if anyone here 
>>> feels a difference in ride-quality between angled and vertical low-rider 
>>> panniers. 
>>>
>>> Would the Nitto Mini Campee and MF2 combo check all the boxes or is the 
>>> Campee 27F still the GROAT and worth the wait? 
>>>
>>> - Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Jack Newcomb]

50cm Roadini in Central WA. I'm sure this bunch will be very excited to 
hear that the owner is willing to throw in a set of carbon wheels for a 
little extra :)
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/ellensburg-rivendell-roadini/7654381016.html
On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:32:31 PM UTC-7 Ty wrote:

> Continuing the PNW trend. I was enlightened by the algorithm to a not well 
> advertised Rambouillet on FB marketplace in Olympia, WA 
> . 
> Spoke to the seller, they say it's a 52 CM.
>
>
> [image: Product photo of Touring Bike]
> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 8:46:22 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Rivendell Joe Appaloosa Frameset Size 46 - $1,200 (Silverdale, 
>> Washington)
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7642198706.html
>>
>> In Spokane, Washington:
>> Rivendell Bleriot - $1,000 (Deer Park) from a month ago. 
>>
>> https://spokane.craigslist.org/bik/d/deer-park-rivendell-bleriot/7639080253.html
>>
>> In Portland:
>> Rivendell Cheviot 60cm - $2,000 (Inner SE) from eleven days ago.
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-cheviot-60cm/7649209115.html
>>
>> Some Bosco handlebars in Bend, Orgeon:
>>
>> https://bend.craigslist.org/bop/d/terrebonne-nitto-bosco-bars/7641296110.html
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:48:56 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Platypus F/F/HS and seatpost 
>>> 55cm, Mermaid 
>>> Quaker Hill, CT
>>> $1,500 
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/301092715785068/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post
>>>
>>> Looks like someone bought the frame and never built it up. 
>>>
>>> [image: 346011872_6483232968438237_3764094931236716795_n.jpg]
>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 11:31:27 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 PSA (no relation to the seller)

 Seems like a good deal for a 60 Sam: $1,200

 [image: 00808_aN2qhuqLXYH_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]

 Rivendell Sam Hillborne 60cm - bicycles - by owner - bike sale 
 
 missoula.craigslist.org 
 

 

 Max

 On Aug 1, 2023, at 6:56 PM, Mike Packard  wrote:

 60 Cheviot frame in Austin




 https://austin.craigslist.org/bik/d/austin-60cm-rivendell-cheviot-frame/7636520917.html

 On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 11:15:34 AM UTC-7 Will M wrote:

> Thanks, Eric!  I would have offered up the QB for sale here, but it is 
> such a unicorn (and there were so few of the orange 62cm framesets made) 
> that I didn’t know how to price it and decided to let “the market” 
> decide. 
> :-)   Will M / NYC
>
> On Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 11:46 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>> For thread posterity here's a pic of Will's swt Quickbeam. 
>>
>> Good luck with the sale, I've got it on my watchlist!
>> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:52:43 PM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> wow - what a QB! If only it were a 56!
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:05:22 PM UTC-7 Will M wrote:
>>>
 Hi all.  Along lines of this thread, my 62cm orange Quickbeam is for 
 sale on eBay right now 
 .
   
 Auction ends Sunday. Happy to do local pickup or ship.

 --Will M
 NYC


 On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:41:59 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Looks like a brand new 55cm Platy frame.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/301092715785068/
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:55:42 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> This appears to be an excellent deal. 51cm Appaloosa complete for 
>> $1,850
>>
>> https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72490781
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-6 JAS wrote:
>>
>>>  7 Rivs on Craiglsist in the Northwest:
>>>
>>> *Appaloosa,  47cm*
>>> Prototype, frame built by Mark Nobilette
>>> $3200
>>> Silverdale, WA
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-2015-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7641501704.html
>>>
>>> *Appaloosa frame set, 46cm*
>>> $1200
>>> blue
>>> Silverdale, WA
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7642198706.html
>>>
>>> *Appaloosa, 54cm*

[RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[Jack Newcomb]

Thanks for the insight Garth! You're totally correct of course, Riv should 
be checking this stuff. I've already talked to them about another quality 
issue I had with the frame, and they took care of me with that, so I didn't 
want to keep complaining, but I should let them know. I'll take some 
measurements and figure out how oversize it is first. I've been a 
fan/supporter of Riv for a very long time and to have these issues on my 
first frame has been a bummer for sure, but I'm confident they can be fixed.

On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 10:47:26 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Reaming a 28.6 OD seat tube for a 27.2 ID seatpost is no big deal. 27.2 is 
> by far the most common and frequent seatpost size for all 28.6 OD steel 
> frames and been that way since I can remember, at least the early 80's. 
> It's not going to compromise anything or put the rider or the frame in any 
> danger. My '83 Stumpjumper took a 26.0 post, talk about overkill, as it was 
> a straight gauge tubing tank of a frame. 
>
> If I bought a frame from Rive that wasn't to spec the first thing I'd do 
> is call them. It's neither normal or acceptable. These things are supposed 
> to be taken care of at the time of the frame build, but it's also Riv's 
> responsibility to see that the shop is doing their job as contracted. Since 
> Riv is point of contact with the buyer, it's up to them to make it right. 
> That every frame is not checked is unbelievable, especially considering the 
> cost of the frames. Even most local bike shops will do that as part of 
> basic complimentary frame prep on new frames sold if requested.  I had a BB 
> issue with my custom Franklin in 1999 for which the builder offered to send 
> me his BB threading tool since I didn't have one. While I opted to take it 
> to a shop in Pittsburgh that I could do it myself at, I surely appreciated 
> the gesture. 
>
> Kalloy posts are really cheap. They don't use very beefy bolts either. 
> They could make the radius style post Riv often includes to be a whole lot 
> more slip resistant if the top of the post upon which the clamp sanwich 
> rests was bead blasted rather than slick. I have two vintage single bolt 
> Campy seatposts from the 80's. The Nuovo Record(NR) has the top of the post 
> bead blasted, the Super Record(SR) is polished. Guess which one slips, and 
> which one doesn't. NR for the win !  There's supposedly friction pastes 
> around for carbon fiber, but I don't know if they're applicable to aluminum 
> or not. If they are, I'd surely try some under the clamp sandwich, on the 
> top part of the post upon which it rests. Then it can't rotate so easy. 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[Jack Newcomb]

I had the same issue as you Nick and felt the same frustration. I wasn't 
sure if the seatpost was the problem, so I picked up a Thomson (elite) to 
be sure, and it had the same issue. I eventually ended up snapping the 
binder bolt because the seatpost was slipping too much, but the slightly 
longer bolt seems to be doing the job of holding my extremely average body 
weight.

Reaming has crossed my mind and I know riv uses thicker walled tubing than 
most, but I still wanted to avoid it. How has it been holding up for you? 
Do you think 27.2 is possible? I would've much rather had that size from 
the get-go, I didn't realize how rare 26.8 is becoming.

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 1:15:36 AM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> I was a bit pissed off when I found on delivery that the latest Rivendell 
> frame I bought took a 26.8 seatpost. The three previous Riv frames I have 
> all use 27.2. And in fact, this latest frame wasn't even accurately sized 
> for 26.8 - the Kalloy seatpost that came with it, and which was a true 26.8 
> by my vernier calipers, was a slightly loose fit in the seat tube. So I 
> reamed the seat tube to 27.0 and used a 27.0 Nitto S83.
>
> Nick Payne
>

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Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Jack Doran]

My Hunqapillar is the favorite in the stable, but I think a case can really 
be made to bring back the Bleriot. Classic geometry, MIT (I believe) to 
keep the price reasonable, and I'd argue that the decal 
 is the best Riv has 
done. 

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:

> legolas OR a more classically styled country bike with close to level top 
> tube and shorter chain stays
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:16:03 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>
>> I vote long stay version of Glorious and Hunqapillar in CLEAR COAT...
>>
>> I hope Grant is listening
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 03:11:33 PM MST, Mackenzy Albright <
>> mackenzy...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> All these threads about "choosing the one Riv" or "how do I pick which 
>> model" got me thinking. If you could convince Rivendell to resurrect one 
>> out of production modelwhich would you choose? 
>>
>> After acquiring a Clementine after a new Clem Smith Jr, I see merit of 
>> the geometry of the Clementine as a standalone step through that feels like 
>> a long wheelbase agile bike rather than a floaty surfboard. I absolutely 
>> adore both-but they're extraordinarily different, despite being a natural 
>> and logical evolution. I really enjoyed the reference of the thread "a tale 
>> of two clems" by Ding Ding! as I found similarities in my experience. 
>>
>> The evolution of Rivendell's is absolutely fascinating to me as there has 
>> never been a hang up for changing tried and true models. XO-1 - ALL Rounder 
>> - TOYO Atlantis - MUSA Atlantis - MIT Atlantis. People are still obsessive 
>> with each rendition of a concept over its evolution. 
>>
>>
>> SOoo long story short. I would choose the Hunqapillar. Hands down. 
>>
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RE: [RBW] Re: FS Rambouillet and Atlantis bikes

[Jack Shea]

Sean, Thanks for your kind words. I just completed the sale of both bikes today. Jack Sent from Mail for Windows From: Sean BulthuisSent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 11:30 AMTo: RBW Owners BunchSubject: [RBW] Re: FS Rambouillet and Atlantis bikes You have my heartfelt condolences, as well, Jack.  I agree with Julian about the builds and how your brother cared for his investments.  Likely in the hopes of blessing the next person to proudly own them.  Thank you for sharing your brother's passion with the world.  I am hunting for a 64 cm Rambouillet in this same color.  I am a proud owner of a 62 cm Sam HIllborne with 38's that fits me nicely.  I wish you the best in your sale. Sean B.San Diego On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 1:49:18 PM UTC-7 jack...@comcast.net wrote:Hello fans of Rivendell My brother died earlier this year and left 2 beautiful Rivendell bikes to his estate. They are too big for me, unfortunately. Rambouillet 60 cm, and Atlantis 61cm I'm in Minneapolis, but am willing to arrange shipping to a new home. Please contact me with any questions. https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/bik/d/saint-paul-rivendell-rambouillet/7485633065.html https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/bik/d/saint-paul-rivendell-atlantis/7486994182.html Thanks Jack-- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/HLykuN5MLcM/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9308957b-5ad9-4aa9-9487-af0c62044869n%40googlegroups.com. 



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[RBW] WTB: 65cm Clem H (or something similar)

[Jack Thomson]

 

Hello, 

As the title says I’m looking to find something more in the All Road 
category with a budget of around 2500 USD (for something built up, or for a 
gaggle of compatible parts with a frame).

Height -  6’8” 
PBH~101cm

Ive seen the new 64cm Clem L they’ve got on the website but the 
frame/colour combo isn’t quite speaking to me. 

Thanks for your time, 

Jack 

ps.  extra bonus points you happen to live in or near Vancouver BC as it 
would be great to throw a leg over it. 

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[RBW] FS Rambouillet and Atlantis bikes

[jack...@comcast.net]

Hello fans of Rivendell

My brother died earlier this year and left 2 beautiful Rivendell bikes to 
his estate. They are too big for me, unfortunately.

Rambouillet 60 cm, and Atlantis 61cm

I'm in Minneapolis, but am willing to arrange shipping to a new home. 
Please contact me with any questions.

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/bik/d/saint-paul-rivendell-rambouillet/7485633065.html

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/bik/d/saint-paul-rivendell-atlantis/7486994182.html

Thanks

Jack

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[RBW] Re: What made you a bikey?

[Jack Doran]

Being newly unemployed and poor, newly single and heartbroken during the 
great recession. Set up a freecycled, cheap aluminum rear rack on my Surly 
Cross Check, bungee corded a car camping sleeping bag, pad, and tent to it, 
and rode up to a spot I knew in Tilden where I figured nobody would bother 
me if I spent the night. The next morning, I couldn't understand why 
everyone didn't do this.

Can we bring "bikey" back? I've read posts by Jobst Brandt where he uses 
it, but I haven't heard it anywhere else.
On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 1:48:18 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Will has an interesting post in the the recent Riv Newsletter about how he 
> and some friends first noticed bikes and got into them. After your initial 
> foray as a kid with a bike, what was the thing that made you notice them 
> later and turn you into an adult-person-cyclist? 
>
> Mine is similar to Will's as a young man in Los Angeles, except it was the 
> flashy riders in "tight clothes" I picked up on. I vividly recall being 
> stopped on Pacific Coast Highway somewhere south of Long Beach (probably on 
> a motorcycle) and watching all the roadies go by, this would be early '80s. 
> This one guy went by on a green (actually celeste blue, but I didn't know 
> that at the time) Bianchi with matching bar tape and riding gear. That was 
> the moment I - a car and motorcycle nut - realized bicycles were a thing, 
> too. A very cool thing, and you got a workout in the process! 
>
> I was hooked, what hooked you? 
>
> Joe Bernard
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Re: [RBW] What made you a bikey?

[Jack Doran]

Being newly unemployed and poor, newly single and heartbroken during the 
great recession. Set up a free cycled, cheap aluminum rear rack on my Surly 
Cross Check, bungee corded a car camping sleeping bag, pad, and tent to it, 
and rode up to a spot I knew in Tilden where I figured nobody would bother 
me if I spent the night.

Can we bring "bikie" back? I've read posts by Jobst Brandt where he uses 
it, but I haven't heard it anywhere else.

On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 2:29:48 PM UTC-7 Jon Richardson wrote:

> After I had to stop coaching Soccer after my fifth knee surgery.  I 
> started with a Colnago C40 road bike, it was fast and light.  I then had a 
> Heart Attack out of nowhere...and used cycling as a means to recover and 
> started to enjoy my old steel bike.  I found a Rivendell Rambo and fitted 
> with Jack Black 33s...it was a dream to ride.  It has become my go to bike.
>
> Cycling has given me the physical outlet I need, so far delayed my knee 
> replacement and has helped me mentally and physically in a number of 
> possitive ways.
>
> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021, 4:54 PM Steven Sweedler  wrote:
>
>> For me it was  seeing road cyclists out training on Whitney Ave. in 
>> Hamden and New Haven, Ct. Most or all were on the Yale cycling team, and 
>> they would wave to me when I was riding my Humber Clipper Grand Prix that I 
>> got in 1964. Steve
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 4:48 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Will has an interesting post in the the recent Riv Newsletter about how 
>>> he and some friends first noticed bikes and got into them. After your 
>>> initial foray as a kid with a bike, what was the thing that made you notice 
>>> them later and turn you into an adult-person-cyclist? 
>>>
>>> Mine is similar to Will's as a young man in Los Angeles, except it was 
>>> the flashy riders in "tight clothes" I picked up on. I vividly recall being 
>>> stopped on Pacific Coast Highway somewhere south of Long Beach (probably on 
>>> a motorcycle) and watching all the roadies go by, this would be early '80s. 
>>> This one guy went by on a green (actually celeste blue, but I didn't know 
>>> that at the time) Bianchi with matching bar tape and riding gear. That was 
>>> the moment I - a car and motorcycle nut - realized bicycles were a thing, 
>>> too. A very cool thing, and you got a workout in the process! 
>>>
>>> I was hooked, what hooked you? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
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[RBW] WTB: Nitto 32F rack

[Jack Doran]

Looking for a 32F rack, if any of you good people have one you're not 
using. I live in the Bay Area and am happy to do a pick up. Shipping from 
elsewhere is fine too.

Jack

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto R-10 saddlebag support

[Jack Doran]

If any of you good people have a Nitto R10 rack you're not using, I'd be 
interested in taking it off your hands.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Where are the cheap seats?

[Jack B]

Joe that sounds great! I’ll dm you for details.

On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 1:47 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I have this hanging around here if you or anyone else wants it. Ritchey
> Vector tubular crmo rails, it was actually a pretty high zoot piece back in
> the day but now it's just a saddle that came on a barely-ridden vintage
> mountain bike I gave to my daughter. The only wear seems to be from being
> moved around a garage for a couple decades. $15.50 usually covers a Medium
> Flat Rate box, I'll send it for that.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 1:14:26 PM UTC-7 Jack Barnes wrote:
>
>> Looking for a cheap, basic saddle... maybe like Riv used on the complete
>> Clems. Something that'll do the job for a short ride, but no big deal if it
>> gets swiped. Riv doesn't sell anything but Brooks.
>>
>> Backstory I'm Bosco-ing an old 90's Fuji MTB for my kid to use at
>> college, and looking for a saddle that no one would want to steal. I'm
>> guessing he'll ride it 10 blocks each way and that's about it. Or maybe
>> someone has an old Clem seat collecting dust?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JB
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Where are the cheap seats?

[Jack B]

Hey thanks Bill, I’m in Portland and could definitely go browse used part
bins or see what shops have as take-offs. At this moment buying on the list
or online would also work well for me.

On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 1:26 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Where are you located?  I would think that anybody should be able to find
> a free saddle if you truly don't care what you get.  In non-pandemic times
> I would think any bike shop would have a bin of take off saddles for
> cheap.  When I worked at a shop the bin was $10.  Anybody who bought a bike
> and wanted to change the saddle, I'd pay them $10 for the saddle and throw
> it in the $10 bin.  I didn't make any money on markup on $10 saddles, but
> nobody haggled on either end.
>
> At any of the rally big online retailers if you sort saddles cheap to
> expensive they'll almost certainly start under $20.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 1:14:26 PM UTC-7 Jack Barnes wrote:
>
>> Looking for a cheap, basic saddle... maybe like Riv used on the complete
>> Clems. Something that'll do the job for a short ride, but no big deal if it
>> gets swiped. Riv doesn't sell anything but Brooks.
>>
>> Backstory I'm Bosco-ing an old 90's Fuji MTB for my kid to use at
>> college, and looking for a saddle that no one would want to steal. I'm
>> guessing he'll ride it 10 blocks each way and that's about it. Or maybe
>> someone has an old Clem seat collecting dust?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JB
>>
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[RBW] Where are the cheap seats?

[Jack Barnes]

Looking for a cheap, basic saddle... maybe like Riv used on the complete 
Clems. Something that'll do the job for a short ride, but no big deal if it 
gets swiped. Riv doesn't sell anything but Brooks.

Backstory I'm Bosco-ing an old 90's Fuji MTB for my kid to use at college, 
and looking for a saddle that no one would want to steal. I'm guessing 
he'll ride it 10 blocks each way and that's about it. Or maybe someone has 
an old Clem seat collecting dust?

Thanks,
JB

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Jack Barnes]

Do Herons count? 
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-54cm-heron-road-650b-conversion/7362560015.html

Thought I'd send to you first rather than clutter the list; feel free to 
add it to your next blast.
-JB

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 4:11:41 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> This thread is for Rivendells you've found on eBay, CraigsList, and sites 
> beyond: bikes in which you think someone here might be interested. This 
> thread isn't for posting ads to your own ad, it's just so people who are 
> searching or interested have a place to look, like, "Hey, check this out!" 
> Here are a few, from today's searches:
>
> 61cm Roadini
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/283940882590
>
> 58cm Quickbeam
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pinole-rivendell-quickbeam-58/7154380920.html
>
> 52cm Clementine
>
> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/richardson-rivendell-clementine/7130894748.html
>
> 65cm Redwood
>
> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-redwood/7153843392.html
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[RBW] Re: well, here's my Sam Hillborne build

[Jack Barnes]

How do you like the ride with the big saddle bag? I think my Sam is the 
same size as yours, also with drop bars, and I commute with a single 
ortlieb rear pannier—been wondering about better ways to load it up. The 
assymmetrical loading never bothered me much but maybe I'm just carrying 
more stuff now.  

On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 7:42:10 AM UTC-7 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> I couldn't find any Geometry charts for a SH and I was about to give up 
> and write the company when there it was, right on the main home page.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry
>
> and you are so correct. My HT angle caculation is way off.
> I'll measure again (just as an exercise.)
>
> [image: Rivendell geometry and sizing and angles.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, May 20, 2021 at 8:32:03 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Your seat tube angle measurement looks pretty close.  The Sam Hillborne 
>> geo charts I've seen over the last 12-13 years have always had a 71.5 
>> degree seat tube angle.  
>>
>> Your head tube angle measurement looks way off.  The Sam Hillborne geo 
>> charts I've seen over the last 12-13 years have had a head tube angle in 
>> the 72 degree neighborhood.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 5:44:54 PM UTC-7 lug...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> does anyone know what the real ST and HT angles are for a SH?
>>> Mine feels VERY laid back seattube wise.
>>> by my amateur measuring I am getting
>>> ST angle 71.6
>>> HT angle 77.6[image: Rivendell Sam Hillborne Metrics and angles.png]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 8:41:29 PM UTC-4 Peter Stock wrote:
>>>
 a bit slap-dash. I was trying to just use parts on hand to get it 
 rolling.
 Universals 61 calipers, a rare Specialixed triple crankset, everything 
 else is ordinary.
 but we've been out for a few test rides.
 it feels  different ... from my traditional road bikes, that's for 
 sure. 
 I have not yet dialed in the fit to feel fully comfortable. I feel as 
 if I have too much weight on my hands - which is odd because the stem is 
 rising.
 I've shifted the saddle a bit further forward.
 I'd like to get some fatter tires. apparently that's the thing with a 
 SH. (the clearance really is HUGE.)[image: Rivendell with Caradice SP 
 bag.JPG][image: Rivendell Sam Hillborne front angle.JPG][image: 
 Rivendell Sam Hillborne full side.JPG]
 eh, we'll see. for the moment she's a good service bike.

 Peter 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Converting 650b Hilsen to Rene Herse 42/26 cranks

[jack loudon]

Regarding Rene Herse bb spindle length, on mine a 111mm bb spindle length 
results in a 119mm clear space between the arms, though this could vary a 
bit on different bb's and RH cranks due to machining tolerances.  To 
determine at a bb spindle length for an RH crank you could subtract 8mm 
from your chainstay spread (at crankarm distance) and then add back a 
healthy margin for square taper interface differences, crankarm clearance, 
and chainline adjustment.  On my bike (not a Hilsen), the chainrings aren't 
a problem, as the crankarms would contact the chainstay well before the 
42-24 rings.

One problem I did have when going to a short spindle is learning that some 
front derailleurs won't swing far enough inward to drop the chain onto the 
inner ring.  A later-model Shimano 105 wouldn't work until I filed off the 
inner adjustment limit stop.  An older Campy Chorus works fine unmodified.

Jack - Seattle

On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 4:11:10 PM UTC-7 KenP wrote:

> Hi Doug,
> My Appaloosa needed a much longer bottom bracket.
> RH shipped me a 121 & LBS had me return the BB because it needed to be 
> even longer.  The RH crank has a different feel because of the Q factor.  
> It puts the legs closer together.  It weighs about the same.  Advantages 
> that you customize it with the rings you want, a longer/shorter crank arm, 
> finish color, etc.  The rings have a different bolt pattern than the XD2. I 
> switched front derailleur  and  I switched to a RH crank from XD2 and am 
> satisfied.  I had been having trouble with the XD2 having the chain drop 
> between the rings.  Riv's own new crank might be nice as well if they have 
> them available.
> Ken
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 3:53:47 PM UTC-4 Doug Williams wrote:
>
>> I have a 58cm 650b A. Homer Hilsen that I purchased from Riv in 2014. I 
>> have been loving it ever since! It has the Sugino Triple Crank 46-36-24 and 
>> I run it all friction shifting with bar end silvers, 8 speed with a 11-32 
>> cassette. The front derailer is Shimano Claris Triple. The bottom bracket 
>> is  bbc110.
>>
>> So...I'm getting older and I notice I don't use the 46 ring much, at 
>> least not with the higher gears in the back. I am definitely an "UnRacer" 
>> anyway. I am thinking of getting the Rene Herse double cranks with 42-26 
>> rings. If I go with the 8 speed megarange 11-34 cassette in the back, I 
>> would give up almost nothing in the lower gears and lose just some high 
>> gears that I rarely use anyway. So two questions:
>>
>> 1. Is my bottom bracket compatible with the Rene Herse cranks? I think 
>> so, but I'm not sure. Would now be a good time to replace it anyway?
>>
>> 2. Should I just keep my Claris triple FD and crank in the limit screw or 
>> go with something like the Shimano CX70 or some other double FD that works 
>> well with compact 42-26 rings?
>>
>> Any other comments or suggestions would be welcome.
>>
>> Doug
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Sonoma Coast

[jack loudon]

Kushan, 
Thanks for the ride report and beautiful photos.  I live in Seattle but 
visit Western Sonoma several times a year (my mother and other relatives 
live there) and agree it's cycling paradise, especially the remote 
low-traffic roads.  Hard to believe you're just an hour away from 8 million 
people.  Coleman Valley Road isn't too difficult if starting from the 
Occidental side, and you have low gearing; I'm old and do it a few times a 
year.  Willow Creek Road/Trail, which parallels Coleman to the north, is 
also great and closed to traffic.   Hope you can get back there someday.

Jack - Seattle

On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 7:16:58 PM UTC-7 Kushan wrote:

> Hi all - 
>
> I am new to this group and thought I'd start by posting about a recent 
> ride.
>
> I had some free-time yesterday so decided take my recently acquired Leo 
> (Roadini), my first Riv, for a venture to Sonoma county. I have wanting to 
> do a good long ride since I got the bike and the Sonoma Coast route 
> <https://www.srcc.com/page-274850> designed by a local bike club had the 
> potential to make my day. 
>
> This turned out to be the best day on a bike in a while. It included 
> redwoods, fog covered green hills, a river, several beaches, and multiple 
> walks of shame (despite my 28t ring) on remote but ridiculously steep 
> hills. Some of the single lane roads were so remote that I didn't see 
> another soul for miles. All the good stuff that fills you with gratefulness 
> and remind you of how lucky you are to be living a paradise like California 
> (with 10% state income tax, mind you). 
>
> Anyways - enough words, here are some of my favorite pictures 
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1hHWsKyEYCFN9oym5AUtnWzIvsp9XWA24?usp=sharing>
>  from 
> the ride... 
>
> Best
> Kushan
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Jack Doran]

Wow, this is almost like what I imagine a limited sneaker "drop" to be 
like. I had no idea there were so many parched throats among the 
multitudes, thirsty for another mixte. 

On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 12:01:46 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> Did he happen to say if the dealer purchased bikes already went out, or if 
> they are going out with the general shipment ? 
> On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 8:04:37 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> James told me they expect to start shipping the Platypodes in about 2 
>> weeks. I have a 50cm Mermaid heading to Texas and pretty much have the 
>> build kit together in a tote box, so hopefully we'll be on the road by the 
>> end of April. This was a good excuse to order a few more Park tools of 
>> course!
>>
>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 10:29:21 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It’s beautiful. I’m sure there’s a big smile under that mask. I’m 
>>> looking forward to hear of her ride experience , if she would indulge us. 
>>> I’m sure mine is at least a month out, perhaps two months. Welcome 
>>> #RivSister. 
>>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 7:19:22 PM UTC-4 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Made a special trip to Walnut Creek today :)

 [image: Plat.JPG]

 On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 3:34:48 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> $900 for a frameset (unprepped), which isn't a guarantee of pricing on 
> the TIGPlat. Guaranteed cheaper. 
>
>
> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 3:00:24 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>
>> How much is a Clem? 
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:11 PM, Joe Bernard  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Like a Clem. TIG-welded instead of lugs, it should be a really cool 
>> Platy design for Clem money. 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 1:05:58 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I wonder what on a budget means?
>>>
>>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 3:20 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [image: 08DD9FD1-5A7C-41FD-9BDD-723C8EEB43D0.png]From Riv’s 
>>> Instagram today:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 6:59:31 AM UTC-7 Jonny P wrote:
>>>
 Yeah -- if Universal has the parts you want in stock for your 
 wheels, they get them to you scary fast for custom wheels. The three 
 pairs 
 I have had from them were all built incredibly well. 

 60cm still in stock. Really considering it for myself still. Just 
 bought deck lumber yesterday however and that cost about as much as a 
 Platy 
 complete would. I've told myself if there is a 60cm come Monday, I can 
 do 
 it. 

 Jonathan P. 
 Seattle, WA

 On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 6:13:43 AM UTC-7 Fullylugged wrote:

> I ordered wheels with Velocity A23 rims for my Rivendell Road from 
> Universal Cycles.  They were in stock and and my custom spec order 
> took 
> about a week to lace up and ship to me.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 2, 2021, at 12:18 AM, Nathan F  wrote:
>
> I've got a 55 in the Lime-Olive headed my way! 
>
>
> Unfortunately my rims are ~8 weeks out, which'll mean putting the 
> frame on ice for a bit until they come in. Sure wish I ordered those 
> sooner! I'll do a full build post once I'm all done. In the meantime, 
> I'm 
> excited to see what people who aren't named Leah have to say about 
> the 
> bike, though I can confirm her enthusiasm helped me pull the trigger.
> On Thursday, 1 April 2021 at 19:20:49 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Lol, you guys. A high compliment. But does this mean I’m also to 
>> blame for the shortage? Double-edged sword...
>>
>> It’s a great bike. A bike that is so beautiful and so smart that 
>> it could sell itself. Congratulations, Rivendell! You have a winner. 
>> Let’s 
>> hope another batch is in the works. 
>>
>> Anyone else remembering that Rivendell had Platy forks that they 
>> were making into a Rosco model identical to the Platys? Hope is not 
>> lost! 
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Jason Fuller  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Haha, I was half-surprised when I found the website had not 
>> crashed at 12:05.  And I would put a bet that at least 10% of the 
>> sales 
>> were a direct result of Leah's enthusiasm for the bike!  
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 4:45 PM David Lipsky  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not a bit, nooo! She’s too busy 

Re: [RBW] Rene Herse Randonneur bars with bar end shifters ?

[Jack Doran]

Thanks all!

On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 5:49:37 AM UTC-7 Steve Palincsar wrote:

> I have RH Maes Parallels with Shimano 10 spd bar end shifters on my JP 
> Weigle.  They work perfectly.  The brake levers that work the best on those 
> bars are gutted Campagnolo Ergo brifters.
> On 3/26/21 2:37 AM, Peter Adler wrote:
>
> Same thing's true of the RH Parallels, which fit Suntours (and so, 
> presumably, Shimano/SRAM/Campy).
>
> Peter Adler
> Berkeley, CA
> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 4:50:50 PM UTC-7 jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yes, compatible - at least with my 25.4 clamp set of RH Randos - 
>> Shimano 10sp barends fit as would be expected. 
>>
>> I seem to recall the ends are internally milled down, as is typical of 
>> Nitto-made bars. 
>>
>
> -- 
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
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[RBW] Rene Herse Randonneur bars with bar end shifters ?

[Jack Doran]

tl;dr version: Anyone happen to know if the Rene Herse Randonneur bars are 
compatible with bar-end shifters? 

All groundless conjecture points to "Yes," but it doesn't say anything 
about it on the Rene Herse website and they seem to have made every effort 
to prevent people from emailing them such questions, complete with FAQ 
page, very specific forms related to shipping errors and such, no email 
address, and no info on the "technical" page. So I goes to the innerwebs to 
try to find photos of the bars with bar-end shifters happily mounted but no 
luck there. 

Any help is appreciated.

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[RBW] WTB 650b wheel set rim brake

[Jack Manns]

Looking for a Pacenti Brevet 28 or 32h, rim brake, tubeless compatible for 
crust lighting bolt Canti so I will have think 130 mm rear spacing.  Dynamo 
a plus especially a son.  

Also, what is the best way to post on an iPhone... the google interface is 
very clunky?

Jack dc area

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Re: [RBW] Re: 19-year old Riv

[jack loudon]

Patrick: "Have others had James's problem with RH cranks loosening? If so, 
I shall resolutely avoid buying one." 

There was a thread about RH cranks coming loose a few months back, and mine 
are among a few that have had that issue. It happened more in the beginning 
and decreased in frequency over time (mine are near 3 years old).  I got in 
the habit of checking the tightness at least once a week.  I use socket hex 
bolts instead of the supplied crank bolts, so carry a small hex key instead 
of a big PB wrench.  I finally installed self-extractor caps over the bolts 
(suggested by Mark Bulgier?) which act as locknuts and seem to have solved 
the problem.   Like James, I've installed many cranksets in the past and 
the bolts have always stayed tight.  I'm not sure what the problem is with 
these cranks, but my guess is an imperfect fit with the BB spindle (mine is 
a Phil, JIS taper).I still  like them but for $455 they shouldn't have 
any issues.

Jack - Seattle

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 4:55:40 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I believe you. I wonder if your instance was a production outlier.
>
> Have others had James's problem with RH cranks loosening? If so, I shall 
> resolutely avoid buying one.
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 1:48 PM James Valiensi  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>> I’ve mounted hundreds of tapered-square bottom brackets, only one came 
>> loose and that was because I didn’t tighten it enough. 
>> This one required much more tightening force than any other one I’ve 
>> dealt with before (Campy, Shimano, TA, Sugino to mention a few I’ve worked 
>> on). 
>> My RH crank came loose about 4 times, I started to carry a wrench after 
>> the 2nd time. Finally, I figured I had nothing left to lose and put the 
>> breaker bar to it. It’s been good for a few thousand miles since.
>>
>> I’d love to have another on for my Joe Appaloosa. Maybe one day I’ll pony 
>> up for another (pardon the pun). I would not recommend against it.  
>>
>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> James's report on the RH crank surprised me, since I have thought that I 
>> might one day buy one. But this report of loosening does not make me 
>> confident.
>>
>> Have others had the same experience with loosening?
>>
>> Note: I am aware how hard it is to get a response from RH "customer 
>> service." My method to force things is to post an indignant message of 
>> complaint on the iBoblist, which seems somehow to chivvy the inert little 
>> gnomes of service into immediate, ingratiating action. Try it at home.
>>
>> But back to RH cranks: do they loosen more than, say XD2s and Pro 5 
>> Vises? I don't think I've had 1 crank out of scores if not hundreds come 
>> loose, except for very cheap Indian-made cottered ones that I probably 
>> installed with the wrong-sized cotter pin, and that was 50 years ago.
>>
>> I certainly am not doubting James's experience, but I'd like to know 
>> others'.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Valiensi  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the kind words.
>>> The Rene Herse crankset was on my list of most wanted parts for many 
>>> years before I pulled the trigger.
>>> It gave me a bunch of grief. It came loose several times. It wasn’t the 
>>> 1st time I mounted a taper spindle crank set. I’ve done hundreds of times. 
>>> The only time one came loose for me, was the very first time I did it. I 
>>> couldn’t believe this one. I ended up using a breaker bar to tighten it 
>>> down.
>>> This was the end of my desire to send Jan Hein any more money. He has 
>>> absolutely no customer service. No phone number listed, no responses to 
>>> multiple emails, no help or support. He has all my contact info but refuses 
>>> to give his out. He has nice parts, too bad they are not sold by better 
>>> people.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Racks/fenders, an aesthetics question

[Jack Barnes]

Patrick, what rear rack are you using on the 2003 Curt? Looks like Nitto 
but not a model I've seen.

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 8:41:19 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I think you need to get out more. Still, I can sympathize, having sweated 
> over similar trivial but obsessive questions myself.
>
> My opinion is no, racks sans fenders don't look odd.
>
> The 2003 Curt in earlier appearances: racks no fenders, no racks or 
> fenders, racks plus fenders, rear shortened, and rack with flowers, a still 
> life. I think that the bike looks fine in each mode, apart from the 
> blackwall tires.
>
> Note that, for my own personal aesthetic opinion, tanwell tires look 
> better on bikes like this than blackwall tires.
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:05 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I need opinions on this matter because I've wrestled with it enough to 
>> think I might be bonkers loony and need to get out more (probably and yes): 
>>
>> This is my Riv Custom (pictured below) and it's about to get a Nitto 
>> RBW51 rear rack to support a gray Medium Saddlesack. To go along with it 
>> I'm thinking of adding fenders even though I don't particularly need them, 
>> and find them to be a bit of a fussy headache. Here's my dilemma: I think 
>> racks need fenders. Like it looks wrong if you just have a bag-support rack 
>> and a bag over a bare tire. I know this is a thing with gravel/camping 
>> bikes now, but my brain is stuck on the 'full touring bike' look of the 
>> olden days which always had racks and fenders together. So whaddyathink? Do 
>> they need to go together to look "right", or is my drop-toptube low-kicker 
>> Rivendell already non-traditional enough that it doesn't freaking matter? 
>>
>> Joe "he needs to get out more" Bernard
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

[jack loudon]

One thing about Tilley hats that may not have been mentioned is that most 
are washable, and I like a hat that can withstand repeated washings.   My 
Airflow (now 6 years old) gets sweat stained and generally nasty, but a 
quick wash in the sink and it looks and smells like new - and keeps its 
shape.  I just wring it out and put it back on my head.  It's also all 
synthetic materials so the size has remained constant, where some of my 
cotton hats have shrunk.  I loved my 'Ultimate' brand boating hat, but had 
to soak it and stretch it over a head-sized bucket and it still shrunk 
back.  Filson doesn't seem to make any truly well-ventilated hats and their 
waxed cotton can't be thoroughly cleaned; mine got pretty ripe after a year 
or two.  There are probably a lot of good hats out there, but I'd buy 
another Tilley if mine got lost.

Jack  "bald and with pallid cancer-prone Irish skin, so hats are my friend"





On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 6:55:30 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks. This looks likely: 
> https://www.tilley.com/us_en/ltm8-airflo-mesh-hat.html
>
> But tell me, why is it worth 3X the price of this one? 
> https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/papyrus-brim-sun-hat-243408?cat=124,24,6,402
>
> As I said at the beginning, I'll happily pay $100 for a hat if I get value 
> for the $$, but I need to be convinced that a $90 or $100 hat is worth 2 or 
> 3 times the price of the $36 the OR hat. 
>
> What do the more expensive ones offer that the cheaper ones don't?
>
> As Lord Peter Wimsey so sagely and sententiously observed so long ago, "It 
> is not the brand that guarantees the quality, but the quality that 
> guarantees the brand."
>
> Patrick '7 3/4"' Moore
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:37 PM Berkeleyan  wrote:
>
>> For me, it's a *Tillley*. I have two, one in a greenish tint, the other 
>> Johnny Cash black. The green goes camping, backpacking, and bicycle 
>> touring, the black is for Zoom calls and walking to restaurants before 
>> covid times. They are superb in all aspects of construction, give very good 
>> shade, are reasonably rain-resistant, have a secret pocket for C-notes, and 
>> best of all, come in real hat sizes. I have a size 8 head, this is 
>> important.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Velo Orange Wheel Stabilizer

[Jack Barnes]

The 'Headset Locker' seems like a great solution, if you have enough extra 
length on your steerer tube.


On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:09:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Another product that fails to meet the "no user action required" 
> requirement is a Shimano headset locker for city bikes.  Google "HP-NX10 
> headset locker".  I haven't used that product.  I use velcro straps when I 
> need to prevent wheel flop.  I leave the right length velcro strap 
> permanently attached to each of my two tandems, which are the bikes that 
> most require this kind of thing.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:02:29 AM UTC-8 Steve Cole wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>> My solution probably doesn't meet your requirements, but boy does it do 
>> what you want.  It's a commercial product called a SteerStopper [
>> https://steerstopper.com].  It holds my front wheel complete straight 
>> and firmly whenever I engage it. It doesn't meet your need to not do 
>> anything to make it work.  In the case of the SteerStopper, you simply 
>> lower the retracted ball arm, which is attached to the stem and insert it 
>> in the holder attached to the top tube.  It took about 10 minutes to 
>> install.
>>
>>  I use it for three purposes.  First, whenever I engage the kickstand, I 
>> use it as it makes the bike much more stable.  Second, I use it when I 
>> carry my bike in a roof rack.  Lifting the bike is much easier and placing 
>> the wheels in the tray is straightforward and without fuddling with the 
>> front wheel.  Finally, I use it when I store my bike, which involves 
>> lifting the bike to a vertical position and hanging it from a hook.
>>
>> I don't think I would ever have another bike without this.  And I have no 
>> relationship with the company beyond being a loyal customer.
>>
>> Steve Cole
>> Arlington, VA
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> I use a toe clip strap to lock the front brake lever. If the wheel can't 
>>> roll, the bike wont fall when loading/unloading panniers. 
>>>
>>> IanA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 +1. I use my bike/bikes for grocery shopping -- wheel them into the 
 aisles -- and few things in this world are more annoying than trying to 
 strap your pannier or saddlebag closed in a busy grocery store with the 
 front wheel flopping back and forth and the bike trying to slip and fall 
 under your and passers'-by feet. ("Passer-byes' feets? Passer's by's 
 feet's? Passers' bys' feets'? help!).

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 2:49 PM Bob B  wrote:

> Besides what the subject says...
>
> I'm looking for a solution to wheel tippage while using a regular 
> kickstand that:
>
>- Does *not* require you to do anything (e.g.: flick down a 
>flickstand)
>- Isn't dangerous
>- Looks cleaner/simpler than the VO product.
>- Lasts a while so I can forget it's there
>- Can be a DIY solution
>
> Include pics on your bike if you have a good setup!
>
> Thanks,
> Bob B.
> Brooklyn, NY
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[RBW] Re: "Cross-training" for cycling: walking? Also: Inexpensive but large and practical backpack?

[jack loudon]

One final thought on bad backs and backpacks; I would think twice about 
carrying heavy loads in a backpack if my back was already ailing.When 
mine was acting up, lifting a heavy pack onto and off exacerbated my back 
problems, even though things felt okay once the pack was in place.   Years 
ago I lived in Vancouver BC and walked everywhere.  For groceries a folding 
shopping cart was my constant companion, and IMO much better for that 
particular job than a backpack.  I would push mine for two or three miles 
without thinking.  Of course a folding cart does occupy the bottom rung on 
the 'cool factor' ladder, evoking images of cranky old ladies in pleated 
rain bonnets, but it works...

Jack - Seattle


On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 9:00:43 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks to all the people who responded since my last thank you. Much 
> useful information, particularly the suggestions for everyday, practical 
> ways of getting exercise by doing things around house and yard, which I 
> ought to do anyway. And I'm glad to see that my preliminary bias toward 
> walking as a complement to cycling is shared by others.
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[RBW] Re: Favorite Brake Lever for Swept Bars - Tektro FL540

[Jack Barnes]

I like the FL750,  which is a tad 
longer (I think).
It comes in a mostly-silver option. I got a pair of these from someone on 
the list awhile back, they've been great on Bosco bars with thumbies.
CL 740 is similar and meant for linear-pull.

On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 9:48:13 AM UTC-8 David Person wrote:

> My all time favorite brake levers for swept bars are the Tektro FL540.  
> Riv used to sell them in all silver as Tektro Mountain Levers, though I 
> know now why since they use a road cable instead of a MTB cable.  
> Unfortunately, Riv no longer carries them (Grant, are you listening), but 
> thankfully they are still available on the web as Tektro FL540, though I've 
> never seen them in all silver.  Closest is silver & black, as can be seen 
> on my wifes Linus.  They are relatively inexpensive at around $25.  The 
> graceful shape of the lever appeals to my aesthetics and my hand.  I picked 
> up a spare pair this week on eBay, just to have a spare set.
>
> [image: IMG_2431.jpg]
> [image: IMG_2432.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: "Cross-training" for cycling: walking? Also: Inexpensive but large and practical backpack?

[jack loudon]

Patrick, I have also avoided 'exercise' my whole life, and haven't set foot 
in a gym since my college days more than 45 years ago.  I don't do much 
besides bicycling, walking (often hiking, sometimes jogging), and building 
construction.  My main back problems were before retirement, working 9-10 
hours per day mostly seated at a desk, even though I often commuted to work 
by bicycle and thought I was in decent shape.  So for me, the more 
sedentary I was, the worse my back felt.  Post retirement, I started doing 
small construction jobs for myself and others, and haven't had a single 
back issue, in spite of (or maybe because of) the moderately strenuous 
work.  If you have the inclination, a construction project, like a deck or 
maybe a garden shed, might help keep your back healthy like it does mine.  
It's also challenging and satisfying to build your own things.

As to backpacks, the cheap ones hug your back and don't have much padding, 
so hard boxes and bottles can poke into your back.  Maybe that can be 
tolerated for a short walk home from the store.  The nice packs (probably 
overkill for your use) have a semi-rigid frame that holds the pack away 
from your back, so you don't get poked by hard objects and also your back 
doesn't sweat.  I have a bit of a pack fetish and my favorites are the 
Osprey Stratos series (comes in several sizes), which are neither cheap nor 
lightweight, but are extremely comfortable with heavier loads.  

Jack - Seattle
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 2:30:44 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I forgot to mention that bike fit is not the cause of the problem. The 
> stem on the new-to-me Monocog is about 2-3 cm too far forward, but even 
> that bike isn't too bad.
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 3:18 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the replies. Much to enlighten and of interest.
>>
>> To be clear, my back has been largely trouble free, thank God, and it's 
>> in the last 2  weeks or so that it's twinging. 
>>
>> I know I should buckle down and do some exercises to strengthen my core 
>> (well, pushups do that, but also my shoulders and arms, as well as do more 
>> for my torso muscles; must get back to shovelglove) but if walking can help 
>> sufficiently, I'd rather walk; whence my question about walking and core 
>> muscle tone, or more basically, walking and back health.
>>
>> As someone else pointed out, it's probably not the best therapy to carry 
>> heavy loads on your back, so let's leave that out. (And my Naches Passes, 
>> now tubeless -- sealants don't work in tubes at low pressures -- were ready 
>> 5 days early, and are back on the errand bike, so I have a grocery carrier.
>>
>> As to shovelglove, it's far more tolerable than many other regimens; in 
>> fact, I've reduced even shovelglove to a minimum-minimum, focusing more on 
>> shoulders and arms than torso and using 2 12-lb hammers with handles cut to 
>> 12"; I use them one in each hand -- *when* I use them.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I also ought to sit more on the floor, both X-legged and with 
>> legs stretched out straight. 
>>
>> Back to walking: If anyone has more information about walking and back 
>> health, please post it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 10:55 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I should be doing more of other sorts of exercise besides cycling 
>>> anyway, but what brings this to mind is that my lower back -- center, just 
>>> above hips -- has been moderately painful off and on for the last 7-10 
>>> days; I think that the cause or occasion was insufficient muscle tone while 
>>> spending too much time all at once bent over working on the Monocog and 
>>> other things; this exacerbated by bending over too forcefully a couple of 
>>> times afterward to reach things on the ground (dog shit, if you must know). 
>>> It's not more than mild, and for a long time I've been stiff down there 
>>> after sitting (I do try to sit straight) or bending, and it has been worse 
>>> in the past; generally my back is fine, thank God; but I'd like to nip it 
>>> in the bud.
>>>
>>> Besides cycling, I do pushups, but that aside, I despise "exercise." 
>>> I've heard, read, and felt when I do it that simple walking is a good 
>>> all-over exercise and that, in particular, it strengthens your core -- of 
>>> course, it will do this only moderately but moderately is all I want.
>>>
>>> Can anyone comment on walking for general health and, in particular, to 
>>> keep your core in basic tone? I have noticed that, when I walk more, my 
>>> trunk and legs feel less "tight."
>>>
>&g

[RBW] WTB: Short-reach Tallux or Technomic stem

[Jack Barnes]

Looking for a ~50cm reach Nitto stem with 26.0 clamp. Shipping to 97215.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 64cm in Petaluma, CA

[Jack Barnes]

650b San Marcos in Seattle, no affiliation:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-soma-san-marcos-54cm/7192001694.html

On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 2:43:57 PM UTC-7, Kevin D norcal - santa 
rosa wrote:
>
> Sam Hillborne 64cm in Petaluma, CA
>  
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/petaluma-rivendell-sam-hillborne-64cm/7194452111.html
>
>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: 26" road/gravel tire shortage

[Jack K]

Michael,

If you liked your Marathon Racers then you may be happy with the Marathon 
Supreme, but opt for the high-zoot Evo version. If you're used to paying 
Compass/RH tire prices then even the spendy version of the Marathon Supreme 
is bargain priced. Despite the name, Marathon Racers were never a 
particularly fast tire and are now an old design.The Marathon Supreme EVO 
uses Schwalbe's latest tire technologies and does extremely well in testing 
and real world reporting for efficiency, durability, flat shrugoffability, 
road grip, etc...  Can be run tubeless, if that's your thing and the black 
sidewalls with reflective band are durable and surprisingly visible at 
night. I'm running the 26x1.6" EVO version and am quite pleased with them, 
but they're available wider (2"?) if you need more meat. I've ordered 
several sets over a couple of years from EU-based mailorder shops (usually 
Bike24, Starbike or Bike-Discount.de) and never paid more than $40 / tire 
for the most expensive folding EVO version.

If you'd like links to credible instrumented testing of this tire I can 
look that up for you. Record setting Velomobiles often use a 26" tire out 
back and every watt is precious to those guys, so there's been more than a 
little lab testing and real world experience with 26" road-going tires. 
Being part of Schwalbe's Trekking tire line the Marathon Supreme isn't the 
lightest, fastest 26" road tire out there, but for everyday use I find it a 
great combination of zippiness and toughness.

-Jack K.

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 5:23:28 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Our touring tandem has 26" wheels, and yes when we bought the bike ten 
> years ago I got, much to my regret, talked out of 650B.  All water under 
> the bridge.  We rode Schawbe Marathon Racers 1.5"  for 6 years and then 
> switched to Compass 1.75.  The latter have thinner, tan sidewalls which 
> have worn out way before the tread.  Now, in search of tires I am not 
> finding much in the way of 26" tires not designed for mt bike single track. 
>  The Marathon Racers still seems to exist in theory, but we haven't been 
> able to actually find one to buy.Compass still has  26" tires, but with 
> light weight sidewalls and a $71 price tag.   Any  other leads appreciated.
>
> The opening words on the RBW tire page proclaim that GP would prefer to 
> carry fewer tire choices, but one good medium duty 26" road tire could 
> corner the market. 
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Re: Albatross/bar ends...what grips

[Jack Barnes]

If you are thinking of cork grips, then Riv has them pre-slotted:
https://www.rivbike.com/products/mieshas-portuguese-tree-cork-grips-pair-grooved-and-punched-for-barend-shifters

It's been awhile but I think I simply bought cork grips and slotted them 
myself, for a little bit of a deeper groove to keep the cable out of the 
way.

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 8:30:43 AM UTC-7, mikemike wrote:
>
> I recall seeing a slotted handgrip when using albatross bars and bar ends 
> so the housing is out of the way of the grip. can anybody point me to these 
> or suggest another method
>
> mike goldman
> rhode island
>

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[RBW] Re: I found a nice shoe for riding without clips and straps

[Jack K]

Joel wrote:

> Now those look like bike shoes.  I used to wear ones like these for years. 
>  
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133495378494
>

 I recently listed a NOS pair of those Sidi Touring shoes on ebay and they 
sold within minutes to a guy in Japan. Fastest eBay sale ever ...  It would 
appear there are folks who like those Sidi shoes enough to have automated 
searches constantly watching for them. They are really nice cyclo shoes.

-Jack

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[RBW] Re: FS: NEW Ortlieb Sport-Packer Plus Panniers (Yellow!)

[Jack K]

New image ...

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 3:14:27 PM UTC-4, Jack K wrote:
>
> I have a new-in-box pair of yellow Ortlieb Sport-Packer Plus panniers I'd 
> like to sell. These have become highly sought after collectibles (not 
> really!), since Ortlieb discontinued the yellow color several years ago. 
> These are 30L total, so large-ish fronts or small-ish rears, use Ortlieb's 
> welded, fully waterproof, construction and mount with the QL2 system. 
> Bought, but never used, and now I ride recumbent and have panniers 
> optimized for that type of bike. MSRP of current (non-yellow) Sport-Packer 
> Plus is $225. $175 + $20 shipping (add $5 additional shipping west of the 
> Mississippi)
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Jack
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hot Waxing Chains

[Jack K]

I've been following a variant of Zero Friction Adam's suggested routine for 
years, but unlike Adam I adopted that routine out of laziness. I hot wax 
with Chain Wax(TM), a paraffin + PTFE product that I bought a lifetime 
supply of when it went off the market 20-ish years ago. Between hot waxings 
I lube up with Boeshield (usually) or ProGold (until the bottle runs out). 
Somewhere I got a tiny drip bottle of Boeshield about the size of my thumb, 
which is easy to carry on the bike when need be and it's easy to refill. 

Boeshield is fairly clean stuff, but eventually the chain does get to the 
point where it leaves a smudge on your calf if you bump it. I take that as 
a sign it's time for an off-bike clean and hot wax treatment. Sounds like 
maybe Smoov would be better than Boeshield? I'll likely give it a try in a 
decade or so when my supply of Boeshield runs out.

-Jack

On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 7:45:16 AM UTC-4, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone. 
>
> I contacted Adam Kerin a few weeks back, who runs Zero Friction. (http://
> www.zerofrictioncycling.com.au). His website's mission is to get the 
> lowest friction possible on bicycle chains for bike racing. While that's 
> the antithesis to Rivendell, I asked him about the cleanest chain lube that 
> doesn't involve waxing, since one side effect of low friction is lubes are 
> many are very clean. He wrote a REALLY LONG response, the upshot being he 
> likes SMOOV lube. I ordered some and it arrived yesterday!
>
> Adam's recommendation was to wax once, then use Smoov after. Waxing is a 
> lot of work, so as an experiment yesterday I just cleaned the hell out of 
> one of my chains by sticking it in a big plastic bottle, covering it with 
> chain degreaser, and shaking it (Sheldon Brown method). Then went over it a 
> second time with a brush and did the same with my drivetrain. Still a 
> little grease in the joints of the chain, but shiny clean and not sticky 
> for the most part . I'm going to try Smoov today and will report back.
>
> Adam also sells pre-waxed and pre-cleaned chains.
>
> Here's Adam's long response for those of you who want to read it:
>
> "Waxing is by far and way the best but outright treatment if longevity is 
> not its main brief and if push re-wax treatments then past about 300km the 
> chain will feel and sound very dry and friction and wear ramps up, and 
> popping them off for a re-wax all the time may not be feasible for your 
> operation.
>
> The best combo is likely to be an initial remove chain and strip clean 
> factory grease as per instructions in my wax zen master guide ( factory 
> grease needs to come off anyway), and initially wax with msw. Then after 
> bikes have done about 200kms move to smoove. Smoove is a very cheap but 
> very long lasting per application lube with excellent low wear and 
> contamination resistance. A bottle is $25 and lasts a long time – you only 
> apply 2 to 3ml per re lube and a re-lube will last about 800km. Re-lube 
> technique with smoove is important however, lube needs to be warm (and 
> preferably chain as well but it will be ok if not - its just better if it 
> is), work in thoroughly by backpedalling about 30 times, then WIPE OFF 
> EXCESS THROUGLY, and allow overnight set. Doing this smoove stays very 
> clean and not gunky for a good stretch, however every approx. 3000km a 
> clean and start over is great if you can.
>
> Many use msw start then smoove for cycling holidays, cross continent races 
> etc – it is a great combo – msw negates smooves initial penetration issues.
>
> Have a look at waxing zen master guide and smoove advanced application 
> guide – may seem a bit but in reality its easy, and it will help kids learn 
> some great skills, and it will deliver the level of low maintenance, low 
> friction and very cheap lubricant running costs you are looking for.
> (only issues is both myself and importer are currently out of smoove, but 
> more in stock soon… ish…..)
>
> IF one slathers smoove on and doesn’t wipe excess then you will gunk 
> things up, but if you apply as per instructions you leave a high performing 
> lubricant INSIDE the chain where it is needed, not outside to gather 
> airborne dust and contamination and so the outside stays impressively clean 
> for an impressive period. With traditional oils / wet lubes ever single 
> particle of airborne dust (of which there is a lot, just shine a bright 
> torch into the air at night) will stick on contact which is why they go 
> downhill very quickly re mess, friction and wear. Don’t even get me started 
> on white lightning lubes, they are up there as the worst in the industry. 
> You could walk into your pantry right now and randomly mix together 
> anything you have in there that is liquid, and you will make

[RBW] Re: FS: Paul's Racer-M, Grand Cru Brakeset, NOS Avocet O2 Air 40M Ti Saddle, Phil BB Rings, etc...

[Jack K]

Updated list of what's sold and what's yet to be sold ...

-Jack 


   - *(SOLD) NEW Avocet O2 Air 40M Titanium Saddle:* Bought as 
   new-old-stock 15-ish years ago and hoarded for the day the one on my RB-1 
   wore out, but it never did. Absolutely pristine, the ultimate saddle from 
   Avocet. If I wasn’t riding recumbents exclusively now there’s no way I’d be 
   selling this.  *$120 + $10 shipping*
   - *EC+ Silca Impero Pump + Campy Head:* Very nearly “like new”, white 
   frame fit body + steel Campy head. This is a smallish pump, tip of Campy 
   head to tip of handle with spring not compressed is 50 cm. With spring 
   fully compressed it's 43 cm.  *$75 + $10 shipping*
   - *(SOLD) NEW Four(4) Stainless Steel Bottle Cages:* New in packaging, 
   traditional style, Tallac brand tubular stainless steel, satin finish, 49 
   grams each.  *$44 + $6 shipping*
   - *Pair (2) Panaracer RiBMo PT *Folding* Tires 700x32C:* Came on a new 
   bike and ridden 15-20 miles before my preferred tires arrived in the mail. 
   Part of Panaracer’s Urban line this is a top-of-the-line commute tire with 
   Panaracer’s Protek casing and Mile Cruncher tread technologies.  *$40/pair 
   + $10 shipping*
   - *NEW Hollywood Racks Fork Block:* New in packaging heavy-duty fork 
   block for mounting in truck bed or on a wood plank to create your own 
   custom bike transport system – this thing: 
   https://www.etrailer.com/Truck-Bed-Bike-Racks/Hollywood-Racks/HRT970.html   
   *$12 + $7 shipping*
   - *(SOLD) Tandem Rear Wheel (all silver!):* 700c, 48 spoke, 140mm 
   spacing, Suzue Sealed-Tech bolt-on freewheel hub with drag brake mount, Sun 
   Chinook rim, stainless spokes of some ilk, brass nipples, high-pressure 
   Michelin rim strip installed. Came on my very early 90’s Burley tandem and 
   ridden several years before being retired to my garage. Very good 
   condition, but could use a bearing repack and adjust. Can get pic if 
   interested.  *$25 + actual shipping via ShipBikes.com*
   - *(SOLD) EC+ Paul’s Racer-M Center-pull Brakes:* Black, center mount 
   (recessed), installed and stored in my garage after a test ride, perfectly 
   clean and like-new except slight marks in the black finish where the brake 
   shoes bolted down (likely covered by your brakes shoes). Includes 
   everything except brake shoes. I’m including new-in-packaging upgraded 
   Tektro straddle cables & CNC’ed cable hangers. These brakes: 
   
https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/brakes/center-pull-brakes/racer-medium/
  
   MSRP $300+. *$200 + $10 shipping*
   - *NEW Velo Orange Grand Cru Brakeset:* New, never installed, but I 
   upgraded the VO pads to Kool-Stop Salmon and used an emery board to reduce 
   the mold seam in the center of the pad in preparation to install them. 
   Includes short and long fork bolts, plus hex wrench. These guys: 
   
https://velo-orange.com/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes?variant=51591467783
 
   MSRP $170  *$140 + $10 shipping*
   - *NEW Phil BB Alloy Mounting Rings: *New-in-box, light!, English 
   threading. * $36 + $4 shipping*



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[RBW] Re: Speedometer, wired or wireless recommendations.

[Jack K]

Although many folks are now using GPS based units or smart phone apps, 
there are still nice olde tyme wheel-magnet-counting cycling computers 
available -- to my eye anyway. My most recent cyclocomputer purchase was a 
Cateye Strada Slim which I like better than any other traditional cycling 
computer I've owned over the years. Very small unit with big display, 
lightweight (if that matters), wireless, batteries last multiple seasons. 

I also have Garmin Touring GPS based unit, which I like, but that's really 
a very different animal. If I need/want turn-by-turn routing, which I often 
do, then I'm grateful to have the GPS option. But if navigation or 
performance data for post-ride analysis isn't needed then the Cateye is way 
more convenient, smaller, lighter, doesn't need to be charged prior to each 
use and, well, just feels like enough computer tech on my bars for JRA.

There are plenty of other options for a traditional cyclocomputer, but if 
you haven't seen the Cateye Strada Slim you may want to have a look at it 
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https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/cateye-rd310-strada-slim/124645/p?utm_source=google_products_medium=merchant_producte=500126=us=CjwKCAjwmrn5BRB2EiwAZgL9orqIIzblpWn7DRF55PVWoPe_yHkSDUYZB_-EvULSbn7SbqYRWCV_xhoCfLgQAvD_BwE=aw.ds

Cheers,

-Jack K.

On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 4:39:16 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> I always loved my Cateye Astral, seems they are gone.  Researching leaves 
> me no real choices.  Looking for mph, time riding, total miles, no loss of 
> settings when changing a battery.  If I go by online reviews there seem to 
> be no very good choices.  Thanks
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul's Racer-M, Grand Cru Brakeset, NOS Avocet O2 Air 40M Ti Saddle, Phil BB Rings, etc...

[Jack K]

Update on items sold and not yet sold ...

-Jack

   - *(SOLD) NEW Avocet O2 Air 40M Titanium Saddle:* Bought as 
   new-old-stock 15-ish years ago and hoarded for the day the one on my RB-1 
   wore out, but it never did. Absolutely pristine, the ultimate saddle from 
   Avocet. If I wasn’t riding recumbents exclusively now there’s no way I’d be 
   selling this.  *$120 + $10 shipping*
   - *EC+ Silca Impero Pump + Campy Head:* Very nearly “like new”, white 
   frame fit body + steel Campy head. This is a smallish pump, tip of Campy 
   head to tip of handle with spring not compressed is 50 cm. With spring 
   fully compressed it's 43 cm.  *$75 + $10 shipping*
   - *(SOLD) NEW Four(4) Stainless Steel Bottle Cages:* New in packaging, 
   traditional style, Tallac brand tubular stainless steel, satin finish, 49 
   grams each.  *$44 + $6 shipping*
   - *Pair (2) Panaracer RiBMo PT *Folding* Tires 700x32C:* Came on a new 
   bike and ridden 15-20 miles before my preferred tires arrived in the mail. 
   Part of Panaracer’s Urban line this is a top-of-the-line commute tire with 
   Panaracer’s Protek casing and Mile Cruncher tread technologies.  *$40/pair 
   + $10 shipping*
   - *NEW Hollywood Racks Fork Block:* New in packaging heavy-duty fork 
   block for mounting in truck bed or on a wood plank to create your own 
   custom bike transport system – this thing: 
   https://www.etrailer.com/Truck-Bed-Bike-Racks/Hollywood-Racks/HRT970.html   
   *$12 + $7 shipping*
   - *(SOLD) Tandem Rear Wheel (all silver!):* 700c, 48 spoke, 140mm 
   spacing, Suzue Sealed-Tech bolt-on freewheel hub with drag brake mount, Sun 
   Chinook rim, stainless spokes of some ilk, brass nipples, high-pressure 
   Michelin rim strip installed. Came on my very early 90’s Burley tandem and 
   ridden several years before being retired to my garage. Very good 
   condition, but could use a bearing repack and adjust. Can get pic if 
   interested.  *$25 + actual shipping via ShipBikes.com*
   - *EC+ Paul’s Racer-M Center-pull Brakes:* Black, center mount 
   (recessed), installed and stored in my garage after a test ride, perfectly 
   clean and like-new except slight marks in the black finish where the brake 
   shoes bolted down (likely covered by your brakes shoes). Includes 
   everything except brake shoes. I’m including new-in-packaging upgraded 
   Tektro straddle cables & CNC’ed cable hangers. These brakes: 
   
https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/brakes/center-pull-brakes/racer-medium/
  
   MSRP $300+. *$200 + $10 shipping*
   - *NEW Velo Orange Grand Cru Brakeset:* New, never installed, but I 
   upgraded the VO pads to Kool-Stop Salmon and used an emery board to reduce 
   the mold seam in the center of the pad in preparation to install them. 
   Includes short and long fork bolts, plus hex wrench. These guys: 
   
https://velo-orange.com/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes?variant=51591467783
 
   MSRP $170  *$140 + $10 shipping*
   - *NEW Phil BB Alloy Mounting Rings: *New-in-box, light!, English 
   threading. * $36 + $4 shipping*


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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul's Racer-M, Grand Cru Brakeset, NOS Avocet O2 Air 40M Ti Saddle, Phil BB Rings, etc...

[Jack K]

The bottle cages are sold (5 times over actually). All else still available.

-Jack

On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:21:26 AM UTC-4, Jack K wrote:
>
> I’ve been slowly selling off my garage-sized cache of bike bits over the 
> last two years. Trying to keep up the “less is more” momentum. Items on 
> offer today include:
>
>- *NEW Avocet O2 Air 40M Titanium Saddle:* Bought as new-old-stock 
>15-ish years ago and hoarded for the day the one on my RB-1 wore out, but 
>it never did. Absolutely pristine, the ultimate saddle from Avocet. If I 
>wasn’t riding recumbents exclusively now there’s no way I’d be selling 
>this.  *$120 + $10 shipping*
>- *EC+ Silca Impero Pump + Campy Head:* Very nearly “like new”, white 
>frame fit body + steel Campy head. This is a smallish pump, tip of Campy 
>head to tip of handle with spring not compressed is 50 cm. With spring 
>fully compressed it's 43 cm.  *$75 + $10 shipping*
>- *NEW Four(4) Stainless Steel Bottle Cages:* New in packaging, 
>traditional style, Tallac brand tubular stainless steel, satin finish, 49 
>grams each.  *$44 + $6 shipping*
>- *Pair (2) Panaracer RiBMo PT *Folding* Tires 700x32C:* Came on a new 
>bike and ridden 15-20 miles before my preferred tires arrived in the mail. 
>Part of Panaracer’s Urban line this is a top-of-the-line commute tire with 
>Panaracer’s Protek casing and Mile Cruncher tread technologies.  *$40/pair 
>+ $10 shipping*
>- *NEW Hollywood Racks Fork Block:* New in packaging heavy-duty fork 
>block for mounting in truck bed or on a wood plank to create your own 
>custom bike transport system – this thing: 
>https://www.etrailer.com/Truck-Bed-Bike-Racks/Hollywood-Racks/HRT970.html  
>  
>*$12 + $7 shipping*
>- *Tandem Rear Wheel (all silver!):* 700c, 48 spoke, 140mm spacing, 
>Suzue Sealed-Tech bolt-on freewheel hub with drag brake mount, Sun Chinook 
>rim, stainless spokes of some ilk, brass nipples, high-pressure Michelin 
>rim strip installed. Came on my very early 90’s Burley tandem and ridden 
>several years before being retired to my garage. Very good condition, but 
>could use a bearing repack and adjust. Can get pic if interested.  *$25 
>+ actual shipping via ShipBikes.com*
>- *EC+ Paul’s Racer-M Center-pull Brakes:* Black, center mount 
>(recessed), installed and stored in my garage after a test ride, perfectly 
>clean and like-new except slight marks in the black finish where the brake 
>shoes bolted down (likely covered by your brakes shoes). Includes 
>everything except brake shoes. I’m including new-in-packaging upgraded 
>Tektro straddle cables & CNC’ed cable hangers. These brakes: 
>
> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/brakes/center-pull-brakes/racer-medium/
>   
>MSRP $300+. *$200 + $10 shipping*
>- *NEW Velo Orange Grand Cru Brakeset:* New, never installed, but I 
>upgraded the VO pads to Kool-Stop Salmon and used an emery board to reduce 
>the mold seam in the center of the pad in preparation to install them. 
>Includes short and long fork bolts, plus hex wrench. These guys: 
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes?variant=51591467783
>  
>MSRP $170  *$140 + $10 shipping*
>- *NEW Phil BB Mounting Rings: *New-in-box, alloy, English threading. 
> * $36 + $4 shipping *
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> -Jack
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Old Man Mountain Sherpa Front/Rear Rack

[Jack K]

The rack has been sold.

-Jack



On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 11:46:45 PM UTC-4, Jack K wrote:
>
> I have a pre-owned OMM Sherpa rack that I purchased to test fit on my 
> recumbent, but decided to go with a different rack that fit that wacky bike 
> better. Old Man Mountain makes these racks in the USA, so the price is a 
> bit high ($210+ for this Sherpa), but so is the quality. The rack is rated 
> for 70 lbs and can be installed on the front of rear of a QR equipped bike, 
> with or without disc brakes. Includes the required extra long QR and the 
> upper "arms". You'll need to supply M5 bolts and P-clamps if you need them. 
> If you have Through-Axles or another fit issue various "Fit Kits" are 
> available for a custom fit on almost any bike.
>
> It's this rack: 
> https://oldmanmountain.com/product/sherpa-frame-fit-kit-complete-bike-rack/
>
> Rack is used, but in excellent shape. $85 + $20 shipping.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Jack
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Old Man Mountain Sherpa Front/Rear Rack

[Jack K]

Hey DRW,

Private reply sent!

-J

On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 11:46:55 AM UTC-4, Drw wrote:
>
> Hey Jack, 
> Im interested in this for a bike friday. Could you pm me, i cant see how 
> to private message in this new interface. 
>
> On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 8:46:45 PM UTC-7 Jack K wrote:
>
>> I have a pre-owned OMM Sherpa rack that I purchased to test fit on my 
>> recumbent, but decided to go with a different rack that fit that wacky bike 
>> better. Old Man Mountain makes these racks in the USA, so the price is a 
>> bit high ($210+ for this Sherpa), but so is the quality. The rack is rated 
>> for 70 lbs and can be installed on the front of rear of a QR equipped bike, 
>> with or without disc brakes. Includes the required extra long QR and the 
>> upper "arms". You'll need to supply M5 bolts and P-clamps if you need them. 
>> If you have Through-Axles or another fit issue various "Fit Kits" are 
>> available for a custom fit on almost any bike.
>>
>> It's this rack: 
>> https://oldmanmountain.com/product/sherpa-frame-fit-kit-complete-bike-rack/
>>
>> Rack is used, but in excellent shape. $85 + $20 shipping.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -Jack
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike Racks, non hitch recommendations.

[Jack K]

Hi all,

Likely not a good choice for Joel, since he's mentioned only needing 
occasional use, but I thought I'd mention a rack that appears to fill a 
unique niche in the marketplace and was the only cost effective solution I 
found for my rack needs ...  The Thule Raceway Platform PRO 2 is a bumper 
mount rack that uses trays to carry 2 bikes, like many hitch racks do; this 
thing:
https://www.thule.com/en-us/bike-rack/trunk-bike-racks/thule-raceway-platform-pro-2-_-1685475
 

I wanted a hitch mount rack, but the cheapest hitch I could find for my 
vehicle was $800+, then another $300+ for the rack, which doesn't seem like 
a prudent investment on a 15 year old car. Supporting the weight of a bike 
on it's wheels makes a lot more sense to me than creating a couple of point 
loads not far from the center of the bike's top tube, which most trunk 
mount racks do. In my case the bike I wanted to transport doesn't have a 
top tube, so trays were preferred, if not required. I'm not aware of 
another tray style rack that's also bumper mount, so I was pretty excited 
to find this model Thule. Not cheap, but I found mine for $300 brand new, 
in the box, so there are deals out there. 

I also have a Saris Bones 2 rack that I've had for 15-ish years and still 
use to transport my tandem occasionally. People seem to love the Bones and 
it was state of the art 20 years ago, but if you compare the methods and 
materials it uses to secure the bicycle(s) to the rack and the rack to the 
car it's apparent that rack technology has continued to advance and racks 
like my Thule Raceway Pro Platform or other premium models are in a 
different league. They'll cost more than a Bones, even used, but after 
having my prized Bridgestone RB-1's top-tube damaged on a older "hang by 
the top-tube" rack a couple of years ago I'm willing to spend a bit for a 
rack that better protects my bike, my car and my nerves. 

-Jack


On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 6:34:41 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> I used to use a Thule then I went roof rack.  Can’t do that now due to 
> lifting.  I have a sedan and my wife has a Crosstrek, would like a rack for 
> 2 bikes I can use on both.  What are you using and/or recommending?  
>
> Thanks. 
>
> Joel 
>

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[RBW] Re: RBW Business Model

[jack loudon]

Paul, I may have one too many hard ciders when writing my paean to Grant, 
and your points are well taken :-)
Jack

On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 8:26:21 PM UTC-7, Paul Brodek wrote:
>
> I think that Grant is maybe brilliant, and was a significant influence in 
> moving the bike industry and product offerings towards more practical 
> products that better fit the needs of non-racers. I wouldn't be comfortable 
> saying he has a better understanding of bike design than any other living 
> individual. That's a pretty tall statement. No disrespect meant to Grant at 
> all, and it's not like I can rattle off the names of other 
> builders/designers who I think have a better understanding of bike design. 
> I mainly can't wrap my head around how you'd even begin to analyze and 
> quantify that.
>
> Grant moved the market by focusing on product and meeting an unmet demand. 
> He recognized the disconnect between what bicycle market segments had 
> become, and what kind of product would actually be practical and fun for 
> non-racers to ride. His first product move in that direction wasn't a 
> radically new design, it was a modern revision of a 30yr-old+ market 
> segment: a relatively lightweight, performance-oriented road frame that had 
> better tire clearances and more relaxed geometry/handling than a typical 
> contemporary road/race frame, without the extra weight and stiffness of a 
> traditional touring frame. That market segment in the production bike world 
> had mostly disappeared, and Grant brought it back to life. 
>
> I don't want to minimize that in the least, because it took vision to see 
> that, and cojones to bring something to market that almost no other product 
> manager thought was missing, or that even had a place. But it also didn't 
> come out of nowhere. People were still riding '70s-era Cinellis, Mercians, 
> Raleigh Internationals, Schwinn Paramounts. Custom American builders had 
> built lots of sport-touring frames through the '70s and into the '80s, and 
> a lot of those bikes were still around. Grant's contribution was seeing 
> those designs not as a dead end, but a way forward. 
>
> Grant and his products have come a long way since then, as has the bicycle 
> market as a whole. I don't know that if it wasn't for Grant, no factories 
> would be building drop-bar road frames that fit tires wider than 28mm, or 
> be spec'ing production road-ish frames with flat/upright bars. But he 
> certainly got the ball rolling, and demonstrated there was demand for 
> non-racing bikes that weren't ATBs or hybrids.
>
> And bringing it back to his business model, in relation to his product, he 
> certainly knows his customer base, and he knows how to reach beyond it a 
> bit as well.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA  
>
> On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 12:10:22 AM UTC-4, jack loudon wrote:
> [snips]
>
>> In all cases, the Riv model was the archetype for my choices, and I'm 
>> pretty sure, with no first-hand experience, that Grant has a better 
>> understanding of bicycle design than any other living person.  I do think 
>> his frames can be needlessly stiff, and I'm not a particular fan of ornate 
>> lugs, but that does not take away from what he has accomplished. 
>>
>> Jack - Seattle
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: RBW Business Model

[jack loudon]

I'll point out another flaw in the RBW business model.  Grant has inspired 
the creation of many, many bike designs brought out by other manufacturers, 
for which he has received little credit  and no monetary compensation.  I 
am evidence of this as I've never owned a Rivendell, though I have admired 
them for 20 years.  I've always thought I could get similar qualities for 
less money (or something) from other builders. I bought an Ebusu when 
thinking of a Rambouillet, a Long Haul Trucker when thinking of an 
Atlantis, and a Nordavinden (with higher trail fork) when thinking of a 
Roadeo.  In all cases, the Riv model was the archetype for my choices, and 
I'm pretty sure, with no first-hand experience, that Grant has a better 
understanding of bicycle design than any other living person.  I do think 
his frames can be needlessly stiff, and I'm not a particular fan of ornate 
lugs, but that does not take away from what he has accomplished. 

Jack - Seattle

On Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 10:38:11 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:, 
>
> There is a major flaw in the RBW Business Model.  They forgot to include 
> planned obselence.  Really, how can you expect to grow a business when your 
> products not only don't wear out they don't even loose their sex appeal? 
>  Certainly Trek didn't make that mistake and see how they have grown since 
> 1983 when I bought a 620.
>
> Take my Saluki for example.  Serial # SA 00011.  I am more in love with it 
> today than when I first got it.  Why would I want to buy a new bike? 
>  Bicycle Quarterly comes in and I look at the reviews of all the hot new 
> bikes and quickly realize I wouldn't trade em straight up for my Saluki.
>
> OK, it now has a lot of touch up paint and I would probably get it powder 
> coated if I could get my hands on some original decals, but the ride is 
> just as joyful, no even better than new, and she still looks pretty good to 
> me.  Instead of buying a new bike I can spend my money on fancy brakes, 
> levers, tires from Compass, and TA Rings ("Well honey the rings were worn 
> out and that's just what new rings cost.")
>
> So Rivendell, instead of pushing a needed replacement or a new improved 
> model, is stuck with the job of convincing people that they need more 
> bikes. Then you have to listen to your spouse - how you gonna pay for it, 
> where you gonna store it, how many bikes can you ride?  It never ends.
>
> Unfortunately for Rivendell, my wife is still in love with her Betty Foy, 
> so no bike sale this year.
>
> Michael
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Touring / Bikepacking Stuffs -- Big Agnes Tents, Snow Peak Ti Cookset, ...

[Jack K]

Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 Bikepack tent (MSRP $400) is still available 
and now reduced to *$325 + $15 shipping *(within ConUS).

Cheers,

-Jack

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 4:56:42 PM UTC-4, Jack K wrote:
>
> Updated FS list below:
>
>
>- *NEW! Big Agnes ***Bikepack* Copper Spur HV UL1 Tent: *2 lb 12 oz 
>including all stakes, guy lines and the stuff sack covered in "daisy 
> chain" 
>loops! This is the latest bikepacking specific version of BA's famed 1 
>person Copper Spur freestanding tent. The Bikepack version has many small 
>upgrades from the standard Copper Spur, but most importantly it uses 
>shorter pole sections so it can be strapped to most bike's handlebars, 
>between the brake levers. Read about it here: 
>https://www.bigagnes.com/Copper-Spur-HV-UL1-Bikepack 
>
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigagnes.com%2FCopper-Spur-HV-UL1-Bikepack=D=1=AFQjCNFjP6aQAJmmKBLu3LOZz0jdiQM4Kw>
>   
>Received for Christmas, but never even opened the stuff sack, still has 
> all 
>tags attached. Santa got my order wrong, I wanted the 2 person version of 
>this tent, so I bought it myself and am quietly selling this one that was 
>gifted to me. MSRP $399, 
>
> *$335 + $15 shipping *
>- *(SOLD) NEW-ish Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 MTN GLO Tent:* Slept in 
>exactly one night in my backyard with a tarp under it, so a 9 year old pal 
>could "try camping". Never wet, never eaten in, no dirt, no marks, no 
>tears, no nothing ... I used my own Ti stakes to pitch this the one time 
> it 
>was pitched, so the supplied BA stakes are new, never used. 3 lb 4 oz 
>including all stakes, guy lines, stuff sack and LED lighting sewn into 
> roof 
>of tent. This is the 2 person version of BA's Copper Spur freestanding 
>tent, with the addition of a string of very low power LED's sewn into the 
>roof of the tent. Creates plenty of light to read or play cards for the 
>duration of your trip using a couple of AA batteries (or a USB powerbank). 
>If you camp with a partner, way better than blinding each other with 
>headlamps. Bought last spring for a bike touring trip I didn't end up 
>taking, then I switched recumbents and this was about an inch too long to 
>fit under the frame of the new bike, so I switched to the Bikepack version 
>of this tent. See it here: 
>https://www.rei.com/product/880753/big-agnes-copper-spur-ul-2-mtnglo-tent 
>
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rei.com%2Fproduct%2F880753%2Fbig-agnes-copper-spur-ul-2-mtnglo-tent=D=1=AFQjCNFvmGhHWmTpEZVYiaMdEWuM5JvkUA>
> 
>
>
> *$325 + $15 shipping *
>- *(SOLD) NEW Snow Peak Titanium Cookset SCS-020T: *New-In-Box 
>ultralight cookset, includes 1L pot + .5L frypan/lid + .7L pot + 340ml 
>frypan/lid + mesh storage bag. This guy: 
> *https://www.rei.com/product/668927/snow-peak-titanium-multi-compact-cookset 
>
> <https://www.rei.com/product/668927/snow-peak-titanium-multi-compact-cookset> 
>   * 
>
> *$80 + $10 shipping *
>- *NEW Fat Daddio's 5" Pro Cake Pan: *Absolutely the best aluminum 
>pans for dry baking over a camp stove. Mail-ordered the next smaller size 
>when I realized this was too big for my .9 liter Evernew Ti pot. Have 
> baked 
>lots of muffins, corn bread, brownies, scones, etc... over my alcohol and 
>butane canister stoves with the next smaller size. My understanding is 
> this 
>size is a great fit in the Evernew 1.3L pot, or larger.  *$5 + $5 
>shipping*
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Redwood Rambouillet Atlantis

[Jack Barnes]

Another spiffy Redwood, NFS:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vintage_bicycles/comments/hn5891/like_new_rivendell_redwood/

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 8:23:12 AM UTC-7, bo richardson wrote:
>
> Kim is pretty tall. Her Rambouillet is a 66 with custom root beer colored 
> paint. Her Brothers Atlantis is a 68 
> and i doubt anyone has ever gotten more pleasure from their first ride on 
> a bike that fits.However Kim doesnt need to warehouse a second tall 
> Rivendell. The Redwood really is functionally new with the new drivetrain 
> and top of the line non moving parts such as bar stem racks etc. It would 
> be a shame for this bike to go back into storage in an already crowded dark 
> garage...I am 5’6 and rode the redwood down to Cafe Velow and it rides like 
> a true Rivendell, i.e. nice.

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[RBW] Re: Bike frame suggestions for longish distance 95% road comfort

[jack loudon]

I would add the Rawland Nordavinden to your list.  It meets every one of 
your criteria (except tigged frame) and its standard diameter thinwall 
tubing would complement your light weight.  It's low trail though, so as 
Paul said, it's important to know your preferences.  I eventually decided 
low trail wasn't for me but liked the frame so much I had a mid-high trail 
fork built for it, and now can't think of another production frame that 
would meet my needs as well, at any price.  

Jack - Seattle

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 7:06:09 PM UTC-7, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> Hello Group.
> Maybe I'll just start this conversation off with what I'm searching for 
> and I'll add the backstory after.
>
>- steel frame + fork (lugged preferably) that could clear 700x32 tires 
>- rim brakes
>- lightish tubing ( I weigh a scant 132lbs at 6'1") 
>- DT shifter braze-ons 
>- Trying to keep the price to no more than $1000 for frame + fork
>- Frames of all ages welcome 
>- Designed to hold weight in the front (but I can make do with a 
>saddlebag)
>
> Bikes I've had in the past to try to fit these requirements: 
>
>- VO Campeur: way better suited for heavy touring. Way stouter than I 
>need.
>- Black Mtn Cycles monster cross: pretty nice but that frame really 
>wanted tires in the 38mm+ range which is overkill for me. 
>- Rivendell Roadini: damn fine frame and very comfortable. Tig welded 
>though and I might've gotten too large of frame with the 61cm. On my list 
>of possibilities though. The quality was also a disappointment for my 
> first 
>riv, chipped paint out of the box and very poorly installed headset. 
>
> I just got done with my first longer ride on a 58cm Gazelle Champion 
> Mondial AA frame . I built it up because riding my first brevet on the VO 
> Campeur a year ago made me realize how important a more nimble bike, 
> especially for majority road use, is. But I might've gone too far. It's a 
> rocket no doubt but I found it fatiguing having to stay so vigilant on 
> descents. And putting the weight up front lead to a very close call down a 
> particularly sketchy downhill. I think slacker geometry might help with 
> that ;) 
>
> All this to say, if any of you rando kids have some suggestions I'm all 
> ears! 
>
> Thanks Group, 
> Andrew
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A rider for the RBW-list women

[jack loudon]

Very inspiring video, thanks for posting.  It's great to see the pleasure 
Vera gets from riding and from inspiring others.  

Last week I was riding in an unfamiliar place and stopped to look at a map. 
There was a friendly-looking bicyclist stopped nearby so I asked him 
directions, and we began talking.  He was dressed like me with clip-in 
shoes and helmet, otherwise comfortable street clothes.  He had a pretty 
nice bike, and was telling me about the new components he'd just 
installed.  I guessed his age to be mid-60's, as he looked about my age or 
younger.  He told me of two loops he regularly rides, one 18 miles and the 
other 25 miles.  We had a nice chat and before leaving, I asked him his 
age.  He said he was 87 years old, born in 1933, and added that his wife 
was also 87 and still beautiful.

Jack - Seattle


On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 2:15:22 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I stumbled on this when I should have been doing more productive things:
>   
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF35J4xi8Yg
>
> I am indeed impressed; she was 77 when the video was made and she could 
> leave me in her dust, that's for sure.
>
> So, perhaps Vera can be #2 in the feminine cyclists' pantheon, after 
> (genuflect) Beryl Burton, of course.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Touring / Bikepacking Stuffs -- Big Agnes Tents, Snow Peak Ti Cookset, ...

[Jack K]

Updated FS list below:


   - *NEW! Big Agnes ***Bikepack* Copper Spur HV UL1 Tent: *2 lb 12 oz 
   including all stakes, guy lines and the stuff sack covered in "daisy chain" 
   loops! This is the latest bikepacking specific version of BA's famed 1 
   person Copper Spur freestanding tent. The Bikepack version has many small 
   upgrades from the standard Copper Spur, but most importantly it uses 
   shorter pole sections so it can be strapped to most bike's handlebars, 
   between the brake levers. Read about it here: 
   https://www.bigagnes.com/Copper-Spur-HV-UL1-Bikepack 
   

  
   Received for Christmas, but never even opened the stuff sack, still has all 
   tags attached. Santa got my order wrong, I wanted the 2 person version of 
   this tent, so I bought it myself and am quietly selling this one that was 
   gifted to me. MSRP $399, 

*$335 + $15 shipping *
   - *(SOLD) NEW-ish Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 MTN GLO Tent:* Slept in 
   exactly one night in my backyard with a tarp under it, so a 9 year old pal 
   could "try camping". Never wet, never eaten in, no dirt, no marks, no 
   tears, no nothing ... I used my own Ti stakes to pitch this the one time it 
   was pitched, so the supplied BA stakes are new, never used. 3 lb 4 oz 
   including all stakes, guy lines, stuff sack and LED lighting sewn into roof 
   of tent. This is the 2 person version of BA's Copper Spur freestanding 
   tent, with the addition of a string of very low power LED's sewn into the 
   roof of the tent. Creates plenty of light to read or play cards for the 
   duration of your trip using a couple of AA batteries (or a USB powerbank). 
   If you camp with a partner, way better than blinding each other with 
   headlamps. Bought last spring for a bike touring trip I didn't end up 
   taking, then I switched recumbents and this was about an inch too long to 
   fit under the frame of the new bike, so I switched to the Bikepack version 
   of this tent. See it here: 
   https://www.rei.com/product/880753/big-agnes-copper-spur-ul-2-mtnglo-tent 
   


   

*$325 + $15 shipping *
   - *(SOLD) NEW Snow Peak Titanium Cookset SCS-020T: *New-In-Box 
   ultralight cookset, includes 1L pot + .5L frypan/lid + .7L pot + 340ml 
   frypan/lid + mesh storage bag. This guy: 
*https://www.rei.com/product/668927/snow-peak-titanium-multi-compact-cookset 
   
   
* 

*$80 + $10 shipping *
   - *NEW Fat Daddio's 5" Pro Cake Pan: *Absolutely the best aluminum pans 
   for dry baking over a camp stove. Mail-ordered the next smaller size when I 
   realized this was too big for my .9 liter Evernew Ti pot. Have baked lots 
   of muffins, corn bread, brownies, scones, etc... over my alcohol and butane 
   canister stoves with the next smaller size. My understanding is this size 
   is a great fit in the Evernew 1.3L pot, or larger.  *$5 + $5 shipping*



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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

[jack loudon]

I have used 3 sets of RH tires (all 700C, extralight) with tubes; 28mm, 
35mm, and 38mm widths.  By rough estimate, I got flats on average every 2.5 
weeks to 2 months, which translates to about 200 to 700 miles.  The 28's 
were the most flat-prone (due to higher pressure?), followed by the 38's 
and then the 35's.  The 38's were the early non-tubeless type and very 
lightweight, lighter than my 35's, and were a close second to the 28's in 
flat frequency. The 35's were okay, if you consider one flat every 2 months 
to be okay.   

My riding is split 80/20 between Seattle and semi-rural Northern CA.  
Perhaps unsurprisingly, nearly all my flats have been in Seattle.  One day 
last year I got two flats in 3 hours and called it quits; the RH's came off 
and belted tires went on.  The RH tires exceeded my tolerance level for 
flats, though many of you may feel differently.  If I lived in a rural area 
with cleaner roads, I may also feel differently about RH tires, but for the 
present I prefer to give up some ride quality in exchange for better flat 
protection.  

Jack 


 

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 6:37:46 AM UTC-7, Brady Smith wrote:
>
> I’ve been Herse-curious for a while, but have always decided against them 
> due to concerns about durability, especially since I don’t have 
> tubeless-compatible rims. But I , walso recently read that Jan Heine 
> actually runs his tubed, and I’ve encountered other people doing the same. 
> Since there are lots of Herse-users here, I thought I’d ask about your 
> experiences. Tubed or tubeless? How often do you flat? I’m thinking about a 
> set of Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass tires for my BMC Monster Cross. These 
> would be summer fun tires for suburban and country roads. When it’s back to 
> commuting season (whenever that happens...) I’d put my Pasela Protites back 
> on. Thoughts? Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Recumbent help for Dad, un-Rivy post

[Jack K]

Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> You can be baffled all you want, 

Thanks for allowing me that leeway Joe, as I continue to not understand the 
point of your most recent post.
 

> it's an opinion on an opinion forum to a post asking for an opinion. 

Perhaps this is part of the reason we're not understanding each other very 
well, I interpreted Jeffrey's post as a request for information. Opinion 
can be informative, but it should be presented as opinion rather than as a 
statement of fact.
 

> I was into 'bents for a few years and found them to be quite a drag on 
> climbs, and I extrapolate that out to an overweight fellow with bad knees 
> probably not being thrilled with the experience. 

As I wrote earlier (and provided some reasons for), it's common for people 
to have more difficulty climbing on a bent, whether it has 2 or 3 wheels. 
Unless you're only talking about single speed bents I don't understand why 
you would "extrapolate that out to an overweight fellow with bad knees 
probably not being thrilled with the experience." Can you explain further? 
All my bikes have multigear drivetrains, so it's possible to shift into a 
lower gear when climbing a hill. A trike will be stable no matter how slow 
it's going, so it can be geared down much, much lower than a two wheeled 
bike. If one is willing to climb hills at slow speed then a trike can get a 
rider with "bad knees" up a hill with less knee stress (if that means force 
transferred through the knee) than any two wheeled recumbent or upright 
bike. You just have to be willing to twiddle away at a comfortable cadence 
while doing only 2 mph on the climb. This kind of "easy on the knees" 
gearing isn't possible on a two wheeled velocipede, whether one sits on the 
velocipede upright or recumbent. 

If he gets a motor then all that is out the window. At any rate it's an 
> opinion on a topic that really boils down to "ride as many as you can and 
> pick what works for you", which is what Bentrider Online is going to tell 
> him. 


Yes, a motor may be a good option, which is why I also mentioned it. Yes, 
"ride as many as you can and pick what works for you" is a great idea, 
which is why I suggested it. Suggesting a particular type, brand and model 
based on very incomplete information is a recipe for disappointment, if not 
disaster.

-Jack K.

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[RBW] Re: Recumbent help for Dad, un-Rivy post

[Jack K]

I'm a bit baffled how we were able to identify the perfect type/brand/model 
of recumbent for Jeffery's dad, when so little about Jeffery's dad's 
cycling needs, wants and ambitions were stated. Maybe gobsmacked would be a 
better description than "baffled". In any case, I'd strongly suggest a road 
trip to a recumbent shop or browsing Craigslist to find some designs to 
try. Anything else is mere guesswork, at best, based on incomplete 
information.

Delta trikes fell out of favor in part because the design is inherently 
less stable than a similar capability tadpole design. Can the stability of 
a delta design be increased? Sure, but the more stable design will trade 
off other qualities. In particular, a well designed stable delta is going 
to give up significantly on sportiness and fun in the ride quality. All 
sporty trikes I know of are tadpole design, but not all tadpole design 
trikes are targeted at sporty riding with low-slung, extremely reclined 
seats. Here's one example of a more relaxed tadpole: 
http://www.ti-trikes.com/  BTW, I don't have a dog in this race, and don't 
even care for trikes myself, but wanted to clear up a misconception.

I'm also perplexed by the statement, "recumbents in general aren't awesome 
for bad knees on hills without a motor." Can you explain further? 
Recumbents generally don't climb well (quickly) because they're usually 
heavier and the rider can't stand to mash the pedals to get over a steep 
section. The only option is to "sit and spin", which is why recumbents 
usually use lower gearing than upright bikes and, importantly, why they can 
be easier on knees than a stand and mash geared upright bike. Certainly the 
fit requirements for any particular recumbent, trike or bike, need to be 
addressed by the user or his bike shop, which they often aren't. For 
example, many people find spinning lower gears the way to go on a recumbent 
and many of those folks find it easier to spin low gears with crank arms 
that are considerably shorter than they're used to on an upright bike. I 
always preferred 170mm's on upright road bikes, but even 165's were clumsy 
when riding recumbent. I'm currently riding 152 and 155mm arms, but lots of 
recumbent folks are riding much shorter than that (140mm or even shorter) 
to foster high RPM, low oomph, easy on the knees pedaling. I'd refer anyone 
interested in this topic to the many discussions on Bent Rider OnLine, 
where the topic is discussed more than you'd likely care to read.

-Jack K.


On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 2:22:26 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> The short answer is that Hase electric sounds perfect for his needs if 
> he's willing to spend the money. But I agree that trying a non-electric 
> step-thru is a good idea first to see if he's happy getting some exercise 
> on a regular bike. In spite of not knowing much about recumbents you seem 
> to already know the parameters pretty well. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: NEW Paul's Racer & Racer-M Sets, TechnoGlide H/S, Deda Bar Tape

[Jack K]

Max,

Thanks for the update, it's great to see the Racer M's found such a great 
home! Really love the blue & cream with silver components and the mix of 
bits of classic and more modern aesthetic.

The first photo was taken in Cambridge? It sure looks like Cambridge. I've 
moved around a fair bit for work, but my favorite move was two years I 
spent in Watertown right on the Cambridge border. Really a fabulous place 
to live, but even more so if you're a cyclist. Really, really miss that 
place ...

Cheers,

-Jack


On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 5:48:13 PM UTC-4, maxcr wrote:
>
> Joe and Jack, thanks for your help. 
>
> The Paul brakes worked great, take a look at the final build. I took a 
> trip to Vermont last weekend, where James and Candice (and Mark) did their 
> magic and a bunch of parts plus this frame and fork turned into this sweet 
> bike. They also did some amazing work on my other bikes, but that's for 
> another thread.
>
> I've said it before but they are the really awesome: knowledgeable, 
> diligent, patient and overall just great people. If you haven't tuned into 
> their instagram feed, take a look it's a great way to get to know them a 
> bit.
>
> I'm still getting used to the drivetrain, but the bike feels great, really 
> light and responsive... it's a ton of fun especially after riding my 
> Hunqapillar fully loaded with a bunch of racks and bags. I got a great deal 
> on the frame last year, I think it was in an accident since there's a bulge 
> on the headtube, but the frame looks good, it is true, rides great and 
> James agreed that I still will get many years of enjoyment out of it. 
>
> To be honest I was sad to see the SimpleOne go to another list member 
> earlier this month, but with this one built up I'm confident it's a better 
> fit for my riding and my stable. The frame was listed as a 62cm, the custom 
> geo is exactly what I wanted for my long legs / pbh of 91, with a tall seat 
> tube and slightly shorter 58.5cm top tube to avoid stretching out the reach 
> too much.
>
> Max, enjoying this newly built custom in Cambridge, MA
>
>
> On Saturday, February 1, 2020 at 7:30:57 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> If your seller is claiming 32s under fenders then I think you're good. 
>> Getchu some Racers! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[jack loudon]

"I’m still hung up on the $60 patch kit. Not only that, added I still need 
to carry a spare tube."

In addition to the above, fenders are needed to contain the latex spray 
that is otherwise flung on bike and self as the larger punctures seal.  Ask 
me how I know :)

Jack - Seattle 

On Friday, May 15, 2020 at 1:11:05 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I’m still hung up on the $60 patch kit. Not only that, added I still need 
> to carry a spare tube. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Running a Wolf Tooth Drop Stop with an 8 speed cassette

[Jack Doran]

Howdy folks,

I am looking to run a Wolf Tooth Drop Stop on a 1x8 set up. Wolf Tooth's 
own specs indicate that the DS chain ring will only play nice with a 
9/10/11 set up, but at least one member of this group didn't seem to have 
any issues with running an 8 speed chain with it. Perhaps it has something 
to do with the chain line, but I'm wondering if I'm likely to have more 
luck running a 9 speed chain on an 8 speed cassette than I am an 8 speed 
chain with the Wolf Tooth ring. Thanks in advance for any help or advice.

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Re: [RBW] Flying discs

[Jack K]

Just as getting an Aeropress a decade or so ago killed my interest in 
Starbucks, getting a large size Aerobie a couple of years ago (wanted one 
since I was a kid) killed any interest in messing about with a 
Frisbee-style flying disc. The Aerobie is in a totally different league and 
hugely more fun, very highly recommended! The Aerobie is probably much less 
tolerant of dog chewing though, so there is that.

Cheers,

-Jack K.

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 3:03:46 PM UTC-4, velomann wrote:
>
> I know some folks are already familiar with this, but Alan Adler, the 
> inventor of the Aerobie, is also the inventor of the Aeropress. Which 
> Rivelo (but not Rivendell) sold. Or tried to sell - I don't think that was 
> a successful product for them.
>
> Mike M
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 11:01:01 PM UTC-7, Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>> Nice! I don't remember Riv selling those. I love Aerobies and if Riv 
>> offered up a branded one of those I'd buy some. Not much room on an Aerobie 
>> for a logo though...
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
>>
>>
>>   Original Message  
>>
>>
>> From: cbala...@gmail.com
>> Sent: April 15, 2020 7:16 AM
>> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> Reply-to: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [RBW] Flying discs
>>
>>
>> The kid and I have rediscovered our love of flying discs during all of 
>> 'this'. Combined with cycling, it makes for a healthy substitute for PE. My 
>> oldish RBW flying disc has found a couple dog teeth over the years, but 
>> still flies true. Would be wonderful if RBW brought these back.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[jack loudon]

Patrick, a site I trust is switchbacktravel.com.  They review all kinds of 
hiking gear, and I’ve bought boots, backpacks, and rain gear largely on their 
recommendation.  On light hikers, I currently have two they recommended, 
Merrell Moab and Altra Lone Peak, both great shoes IMO for different purposes.  
They are modern non-leather construction so maybe not for you.  I fully agree 
with others that ankle support isn’t normally needed and may be a hindrance.  I 
would add that the ubiquitous  Gore-Tex linings have their place but I don’t 
care for them as they aren’t effective for very long (maybe a year of steady 
use) but will make your feet sweat as long as you own them.   I live in a rainy 
climate but vastly prefer ventilated boots for much of my hiking. 

Jack - Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: FS: NEW Paul's Racer & Racer-M Sets, TechnoGlide H/S, Deda Bar Tape

[Jack K]

Paul's Racer brakes are sold.

On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 2:32:03 PM UTC-5, Jack K wrote:
>
> Updated list of FS goodies below...
>
> As always, happy to combine shipping on multiple items, which obviously 
> makes sense for smaller stuff. My goal is to on average break even on the 
> shipping.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Jack K.
>
> Newly added:
>
>- *NEW! Big Agnes ***Bikepack* Copper Spur HV UL1 Tent *-- 2 lb 12 oz 
>including all stakes, guy lines and the stuff sack covered in "daisy 
> chain" 
>loops! This is the latest bikepacking specific version of BA's famed 1 
>person Copper Spur freestanding tent. The Bikepack version has many small 
>upgrades from the standard Copper Spur, but most importantly it uses 
>shorter pole sections so it can be strapped to most bike's handlebars, 
>between the brake levers. Read about it here: 
>https://www.bigagnes.com/Copper-Spur-HV-UL1-Bikepack  Received for 
>Christmas, but never even opened the stuff sack, still has all tags 
>attached. Santa got my order wrong, I wanted the 2 person version of this 
>tent, so I bought it myself and am quietly selling this one that was 
> gifted 
>to me. MSRP $399, *$350 + $15 shipping*
>- *NEW-ish Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 MTN GLO Tent* -- 3 lb 4 oz 
>including all stakes, guy lines, stuff sack and LED lighting sewn into 
> roof 
>of tent. This is the 2 person version of BA's Copper Spur freestanding 
>tent, with the addition of a string of very low power LED's sewn into the 
>roof of the tent. Creates plenty of light to read or play cards for the 
>duration of your trip using just two AA batteries (or a USB powerbank). If 
>you camp with a partner, way better than blinding each other with 
>headlamps. Bought last spring for a bike touring trip I didn't end up 
>taking, then I switched recumbents and this was about an inch too long to 
>fit under the frame of the new bike, so I switched to the Bikepack version 
>of this tent. Slept in exactly one night in my backyard with a tarp under 
>it, so a 9 year old pal could "try camping". Never wet, never eaten in, no 
>dirt, no marks, no tears, no nothing ...  See it here: 
>https://www.rei.com/product/880753/big-agnes-copper-spur-ul-2-mtnglo-tent  
>   
>*$325 + $15 shipping*
>- *NEW Evernew Titanium .6L Pan* -- This 600ml pot is new, unused, 
>never carried in a pack or pannier. It came as part of a set, but I don't 
>have a use for this particular pot. Perfect pot for ultralight solo 
>adventures.*$28 + $5 shipping*
>
> Leftovers from previous post:
>
>- *NEW-IN-BOX Paul's Racer F/R Brake Set -- *Center mount, anodized 
>black, comes with straddle cables, cable hangers and Kool-Stop salmon 
> shoes 
>(I did install the provided shoes onto the front caliper in order to hold 
>it up to my fork to judge the clearances), *$245 (Reduced to $235) / 
>pair + $10 shipping * These guys: 
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/brakes-centerpull-paul-racer?variant=3874438283277
>- *(**SOLD) NEW-IN-BOX VO Grand Cru F/R Brake Set -- *Polished silver 
>finish, bought new and stored in my closet. Just like you'd get from VO.* 
>$140 + $10 shipping  *These guys: 
>https://velo-orange.com/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes 
>
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fvelo-orange.com%2Fproducts%2Fgrand-cru-long-reach-brakes=D=1=AFQjCNEfDbp2NTlOlORnOJpIPf0zVbST0w>
>- * (2x **SOLD) NEW Tange Techno-Glide Headset (0x still available) --* 
>Absolutely beautiful 1" threaded headset with polished silver finish, 
>sealed stainless angular contact cartridge bearings and O-rings, 35.3mm 
>stack height, 26.4mm crown race, have 2 to sell, both were sealed in 
>original OEM packaging until I opened one to take photos. *$60 / 
>headset + $5 shipping*
>- *NEW Deda Bar Tape -- *Decent bar tape, I've used a fair bit of it 
>over the years. Not expensive, not organic/vegan, not high-tech (unless 
> you 
>count the Graphene infused micro-encapsulated nano-gel technology that's 
>humbly referred to as merely "soft touch" on the box), but easy to wrap, 
>decently comfortable and durable enough. 
> *$9 (Now $6) / box + $3.50 shipping *
>
> Two colors available:
>
>- *(1x **SOLD) Cream / Ivory* *Perforated **(2x still available) *-- 
>   Box says "White", but it's really a much more pleasant cream. Drillium 
>   model with a diagonal row of 4 tiny lightening holes every .5" that 
> look 
>   pretty cool when wrapped and I guess they also improve grip or channel 
> away 
> 

[RBW] Re: FS: NEW Paul's Racer & Racer-M Sets, TechnoGlide H/S, Deda Bar Tape

[Jack K]

It appears the silver Paul's Racer-M's have been claimed.

-Jack

On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 1:04:36 PM UTC-5, Jack K wrote:
>
> Continuing to clear my pile of parts from projects that changed direction. 
> All the stuff below is new, in box, etc...
>
> Cheers & safe riding,
>
> -Jack K.
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
>- *NEW-IN-BOX Paul's Racer F/R Set -- *Center mount, anodized black, 
>comes with straddle cables, cable hangers and Kool-Stop salmon shoes (I 
> did 
>install the provided shoes onto the front caliper in order to hold it up 
> to 
>my fork to judge the clearances), *$245 / pair + $10 shipping * These 
>guys: 
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/brakes-centerpull-paul-racer?variant=3874438283277
>- *NEW-IN-BOX Paul's Racer-M F/R Set -- *Center mount, anodized 
>silver, comes with straddle cables, cable hangers and Kool-Stop salmon 
>shoes, *$245 / pair + $10 shipping * These guys: 
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/brakes-centerpull-paul-racer-medium?variant=3856114024461
>- *(2x) NEW Tange Techno-Glide Headset --* Absolutely beautiful 1" 
>threaded headset with polished silver finish, sealed stainless angular 
>contact cartridge bearings and O-rings, 35.3mm stack height, 26.4mm crown 
>race, have 2 to sell, both were sealed in original OEM packaging until I 
>opened one to take photos. *$55 / headset + $5 shipping*
>- *(3x) NEW Deda Bar Tape -- *Decent bar tape, I've used a fair bit of 
>it over the years. Not expensive, not organic/vegan, not high-tech (unless 
>you count the Graphene infused micro-encapsulated nano-gel technology 
>that's humbly referred to as merely "soft touch" on the box), but easy to 
>wrap, decently comfortable and durable enough. Two colors available:
>   - *(2x) Cream / Ivory* *Perforated *-- Box says "White", but it's 
>   really a much more pleasant cream. Drillium model with a diagonal row 
> of 4 
>   tiny lightening holes every .5" that look pretty cool when wrapped and 
> I 
>   guess they also improve grip or channel away sweat or break laminar 
> flow of 
>   air over the bars. Or something useful...  
>   - *(1x) Ocean Dark Blue -- *Looks like a dark navy blue to me, but 
>   the handlebar tape engineers at Deda are the experts and they see this 
> as 
>   "Dark Ocean Blue". Non-perforated, non-Drillium type for extra solidity 
> and 
>   a more 21'st century look.
>
> *$6** / box + $3.50 shipping  *
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: NEW Paul's Racer & Racer-M Sets, TechnoGlide H/S, Deda Bar Tape

[Jack K]

Both sets of Paul's brakes are still available. Note that the black set are 
original (long reach) Racer calipers, while the silver set are medium reach 
Racer-M's.

Thanks,

-Jack K.

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[jack loudon]

Scott: " my wife and I decided we didn’t need a clothes dryer and ditched 
ours"

Says the man who lives in Tucson :)

Jack in perpetually soggy (so it seems...) Seattle

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020 at 8:01:05 AM UTC-8, Scott Calhoun wrote:
>
> After a couple of trips to Spain the last few years, where nobody has a 
> dryer, my wife and I decided we didn’t need a clothes dryer and ditched 
> ours. Really, it’s the right choice for the planet—you can feel very good 
> about your Appaloosa now.  Ha ha

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Re: [RBW] Rene Herse Triple

[Jack K]

Steve Palincsar wrote in part: 
*Also, I started out prejudiced against 11 speed: a bad Spinal Tap joke, 1 
more useless speed provided at the cost of hundred dollar chains and a 
three hundred dollar chain tool.   *

Steve, if you're paying $100 for a decent 11 speed chain or $300 for a 
serviceable 11 speed chain tool you really ought to rethink your part and 
tool suppliers. For reference I just fired up www.jenson.com and found the 
following apparent bargains on 11 spd chains and chain tools (w/ free 
shipping on a $60 order):

   - SRAM PC-1110 cheapie chains for $14/each: 
   https://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-PC-1110-Powerlock-11SP-Chain
   - Shimano SLX/105 HG-601 mid-quality chains for $19.99/each: 
   https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-CN-HG601-11-Speed-Chain
   - Shimano XT/Ultegra HG-701 better-quality chains $26.99/each: 
   https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-XtUltegra-CH-HG701-11SP-Chain
   - Shimano XTR/Dura-Ace HG-901 ultimate-quality chains $34.99/each: 
   https://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-XtrDura-Ace-CH-HG901-11SP-Chain
   - Cheapier portable 11spd chain tool $4.90/each: 
   https://www.jensonusa.com/Foundation-325P2-Bike-Chain-Breaker-Tool
   - Park CT-5 portable chain tool compatible with 5-12 spd chains 
   $16.95/each: https://www.jensonusa.com/Park-Tool-CT-5-Compact-Chain-Tool
   - Park CT-3.3 shop style chain tool compatible with 5-12 spd chains 
   $36.95/each: 
   https://www.jensonusa.com/Park-Tool-CT-33-5-12-Speed-Chain-Tool

When you wrote about the $100 11 speed chains and $300 11 speed chain tools 
did you really think that was accurate or was that intended to be a 
humorous exaggeration? In any case, stock up now while prices are low!

Cheers,

-Jack K.




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[RBW] Re: Another nice Saturday morning ride on the '99 Joe Starck 26"-wheel, 76" gear, gofast fixie.

[jack loudon]

Nice story, nicely written.  Thanks.

Jack - also an Edward Abbey fan, and I don't care a whit if some of his 
non-fiction was (reportedly) largely fictionalized

On Saturday, January 4, 2020 at 4:25:01 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Met a friend at the Sandia Pueblo commuter rail station for a nice 
> northward loop through Bernalillo and Algodones and the Santa Ana Pueblo 
> and return; the early morning cold (~23*F when I took my dog for an early 
> "run the evil out of him" run before the ride) quickly warmed with the sun, 
> so that it must have been about 32* when we started at 9 am, and the mid 
> 40s by the time we got back to the station, 2 1/2 hours later; my hands 
> were sauna-ing in the the PI Lobster mitts. Very pleasant winter morning, 
> sunny and still; breeze didn't pick up until the southward return leg; just 
> as I was getting tired. 
>
> I get into a riding rut, riding the same pretty, but uvarying routes 
> nearby over and over again. Within 10 miles from home there are miles of 
> open state and country roads through at-once charming and squalid 
> environments that combine horse culture, ancient little villages, and 
> single wides, but all with vast vistas ending in distant mountains, and 
> punctuated in this bosque area by the cottonwoods that are so precious and 
> noticeable in a high-desert landscape, Fields populated by horses, cows, 
> and vast herds of wintering herons and geese; and even, said my friend of 
> another ride up the Tramway hill, bison in shaggy winter coats. This is 
> what North Valley Albuquerque must have looked like back when Edward Abbey 
> drove along 4th Street while when getting his master's in englit at UNM, 
> and what the Brave Cowboy must have seen during his equestrian 
> peregrination through the city.
>
> Friend was riding his commuter mid-range Cannondale road bike, 3X10 and 
> room for no more than 28s under the cf fork (he rides a Santa Cruz 
> Stigmata, not a Pinarello Dogma; but same weird old-fashioned, 
> Catholic-fixation nomenclature, though); me on the 76" Joe Starck with the 
> ineffably smooth and fast Rene Herse Elk Passes. I was pleased to find that 
> my climbing out of shape muscles must be permanently altered, because I've 
> been riding almost exclusively N-S along the perfectly level Valley (4,980 
> feet) for the past umpteen months, but the hills, one steep one at least 
> 1/2mile long, left me only moderately overexerted and were mostly just 
> fun.There's a very pleasant rhythm when standing to climb fixed; it's less 
> efficient, but there is a very distinct "plateau" of exertion where one can 
> stand for long distances and hold off the inevitable move to anaerobic 
> exhaustion. Must work on hills; climbing fixed is very enjoyable when you 
> prepare for it. I do have 67" and 57" (17/20 Dingle) on the flip side.
>
> 30.something miles; no biggie, I know, but given my condition and age, a 
> very pleasant stretch of my capacity. I want to start riding the 7-mile 
> Tramway hill again; it's been a long time. 
>
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>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivelo closing in January

[jack loudon]

Many of the bike shops in Seattle have shifted more to 
maintenance/repairs.  Lucky for them, an astounding number of bicylists 
(present company excepted, of course) barely know how to add air to their 
tires, let alone do anything more complicated.  

On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 10:17:33 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I can't even imagine how hard it is to support a physical store in The Age 
> Of Amazon. I'm thinking..SUPER hard.no

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[RBW] Re: Frame for sale

[Jack Doran]

+1 on it being appropriate for this group. Steel frame with braze-on 
eyelets aplenty, takes fenders, has clearance for 700x38c tires without 
'em, and has an aftermarket low trail fork. It might could even be 
converted to a 650b so's you can run some chubber rubber to get sendy with 
your friendy. Any way you slice it, this bike could be a super fun project 
that's a little easier on the pocketbook than a Roadini or whatever.

Salsa has since gone in another direction, but I, for one, have a lot of 
love for the production brands who do interesting things with steel frames 
in almost every production cycle.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Everything is NEW! SONdeluxe, Garmin Edge 1030, Vintage Sidi Touring Shoes

[Jack K]

Thanks for weighing in on the shoes Minh. I hope the price is fair, it's 
lower than I remember paying for them back in the day -- but the market for 
vintage bicycle shoes isn't exactly booming!

Cheers,

-Jack K.

On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 10:40:08 AM UTC-5, Minh wrote:
>
> im a big fan of these SIDI shoes, if they were my size id buy these as a 
> backup pair.   and my memory may be bad as i bought these forever ago, but 
> that seems like a great price too.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas

[jack loudon]

Patrick:  "I agree that what works for one person or one race may not be 
the same for another."

My mother is 99 and still healthy and mentally sharp; she still lives in 
the house she was born in.  Her diet is poor, heavy on starchy sweets - 
sometimes when I visit we both have nothing but pie and ice cream for 
dinner.  She has never done anything to actively cultivate good health.  
She scoffs at organic food, drinks quite a bit of wine, is suspicious of 
doctors, rarely exercises.  She is and always has been thin though, and 
never overeats.   What's to account for her long healthy life?  I think 
nothing but good Irish genes, and possibly staying thin?  I don't know.  
Certainly not any specific type of diet or exercise.  Just a data point.

Jack
Seattle



On Tuesday, October 15, 2019 at 2:43:41 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> That gives a new meaning to the vulgar phrase, "Eat shit."
>
> Back to rice. Me age'd mum lived to almost 92, and controlled Type 2 
> diabetes for almost 20 years by diet and (very modest) exercise -- 
> principally diet. She had had a very minor heart attack close to age 70, 
> and obeying the medical advice of the time, jettisoned almost all fat, 
> salt, and sugar from her diet, as well as most starches. This meant that 
> her diet was largely styrofoam chicken breasts cooked in the dullest way 
> possible, huge quantities of boiled vegetables, the occasional synthetic 
> egg, and huge quantities of white rice -- because she was Filipina, and if 
> you are Filipina/o, you eat huge quantities of white rice.
>
> I agree that what works for one person or one race may not be the same for 
> another.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 2:41 PM Ian A > 
> wrote:
>
>> The BBC carried a story about this a while back, going as far to report 
>> on fecal transplants to help with c difficile infection.
>>
>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-43815369
>>
>> Gut fauna/micro biome health is becoming better understood. 
>>
>> IanA
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[RBW] Re: Bike with Riv-like geometry for kids - gravel

[Jack K]

Jared, so you're looking for a mass-produced complete bike or something 
perhaps less ready to go?

-Jack K.

On Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 8:38:33 PM UTC-4, Jared Volpe wrote:
>
> Hey all, 
>
> I’m looking for a new bike for our daughter. Truth told most of our miles 
> are around the city but we take to gravel now and again. She doesn’t want a 
> mountain bike. Something step through and more upright like a Clem or a 
> Chev are interesting but I don’t want to spend that much because she’ll 
> grow out of it. 
>
> She is tall for her age and like me, has long legs. She is 60” and (yes we 
> measured it) her PBH is 30”. 
>
> Any suggestions?

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[RBW] Re: FS: All NEW! SONdeluxe Widebody, Icebreaker, Ortlieb, Garmin Edge 1030, Sidi Touring Shoes, GK 650Bx1.75"

[Jack K]

Updated FS list below. Some new stuff, some previously posted stuff at 
reduced prices. See photos in original post above.

At a minimum the new SONdeluxe Widebody at $235 and new Ortlieb Hi-Vis 
Sport-Roller panniers at $155 are pretty unbeatable pricing on top-shelf 
bits. Please have a look!

Cheers,

-Jack K.
Raleigh, NC


   - *NEW SONdeluxe "Widebody" Dynohub: *New-in-the-box, 32 hole, black 
   anodized, 24 grams heavier than standard SONdeluxe, description from RH 
   website: "The Delux Wide-Body features extra-wide flange spacing (68 mm 
   vs. 50 mm) and a steel axle for a much stronger wheel. This hub is strong 
   enough for off-road racing and even tandems." More info and photos here: 
   
*https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/hubs/sondelux-wide-body-generator-hub/
  
   
<https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/hubs/sondelux-wide-body-generator-hub/>
  
   *Retail $285
*  $235 + $10 shipping *
   - *(SOLD) NEW Icebreaker 100% Merino Baselayer:* New-in-the-box, Men's 
   medium, dark navy color, long sleeve, half zip. *$50 + $6 shipping*
   - *NEW Traditionall Sidi Touring Shoes: *Bought new 15+ years ago and 
   stored in my closet since, size 42 (but a tight 42), Riv sold these back in 
   the day and they were popular with the iBOB's as well, SPD compatible by 
   removing access port on bottom of sole.
* $125 + $10 shipping *
   - *NEW Tektro (Nashbar Branded) Inline Brake Levers: *Fits 25.4-26.0 mm 
   bars, silver lever with black hinged clamp.
* $10 + $5 shipping *
   - *EC Stronglight Ironlight Cranks:* Polished silver, 130mm BCD, JIS 
   taper, English threading, very light and truly excellent used condition. 
*$110 
   + $8 shipping  **Reduced to $100 + $8 shipping*
   - *NEW Ortlieb "High Visibility" Sport Roller Panniers:* Roll-top 
   waterproof Sport-Roller's with entire surface of the pannier covered in 
   reflective beads for night visibility and made in a retina searing day-glo 
   yellow for visibility day, night, rain, fog or bright sun. Impulse buy when 
   I saw them on sale, but, honestly, my old plain yellow Ortliebs have a few 
   more decades of life in them. These are them: 
   
https://www.rei.com/product/870523/ortlieb-front-roller-high-visibility-panniers-pair
 
   
<https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rei.com%2Fproduct%2F870523%2Fortlieb-front-roller-high-visibility-panniers-pair=D=1=AFQjCNE0Vyr-ZzW6Qpvm2HUULRARta-hew>
   
   Retail is $240. 
*$165 + $15 shipping  Reduced to $155 + $15 shipping *
   - *NEW Garmin Edge 1030 Bundle Ultimate Bike Computer:* Another impulse 
   buy this spring when I saw it on sale and I was having fantasies of roaming 
   the back roads of America this summer, just me and my velocipede ... In 
   reality I've never even taken it out of it's box, since my old Edge Touring 
   works well enough for the my needs riding close to home. This is Garmin's 
   top-end model with more features than I even know about, much less could 
   relate here. It does have "heat map" routing so computed routes use roads 
   and trails often ridden by cyclists, which was the main improvement I was 
   interested in over my older model. Note, this is the "Bundle", which 
   includes premium heart-rate monitor and speed/cadence sensor, "out front" 
   mount, etc... This guy: https://www.jensonusa.com/Garmin-Edge-1030-Bundle   
   Retail $699.* $545 + $10 shipping.*
   - *NEW Pair of Panaracer Gravel King 650Bx1.75 Tires:* I decided to go 
   with skinnier Schwalbe G-One Speed's instead on my first 650B equipped 
   bike. *$60 + $10 shipping  *
   *Reduced to $55 + $10 shipping*

Newly added items:

   - *NOS Shimano 8s Bar-end Shifter Set:* New-In-Box set of Ultegra-level 
   8s (friction option) bar-end shifters with cables, downtube cable 
   stops/adjusters, 3 pieces of pre-cut black housing and handlebar "fairings" 
   to fit over the housing.   *$70 + $8 shipping*
   - *NOS Shimano 8s Bar-End Shifters:* New-In-Box, as above, but missing 
   the downtube cable stops and includes gray pre-cut housing.   *$55+$8 
   shipping*
   




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[RBW] Re: ideas for daytime visibility: vests and whatnot

[Jack K]

Somewhere in the cycling archive that used to be my garage I have a new 
mesh safety vest I ordered, but never used, that I'd be happy to pass on to 
someone who can use it for the cost of shipping. I ordered this hi-vis 
one-size-fits-most safety vest several years ago from Nashbar, but 
discovered when it arrived that I'm smaller than the one size it mostly 
fits. Still in it's package, but I'd have to dig around for it. 
"Construction worker style" and pretty bulky over a cycling jersey on my 
5'7" frame, but if you're bigger or riding in street clothes or want 
maximum real estate devoted to retina searing safety yellow then this may 
work better for you than it did for me.

Someone mentioned the reflective safety triangles as a "game changer" and 
I'll second that! The common Aardvark brand one could use a bit more velcro 
strappage to keep it from flopping around, but is extremely visible. This 
thing: 
https://www.nashbar.com/aardvark-reflective-triangle-yield-symbol-7x7-with-velcro-strap-yeild-symbol/p435349

Cheers,

-Jack
Raleigh, NC


On Friday, September 27, 2019 at 4:40:53 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>
>
> You can get mesh safety vests sold for cyclists, runners, etc. They don't 
> weigh anything and they comes in all sorts of sized to wear over anything. 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: All NEW! SONdeluxe Widebody, Icebreaker, Ortlieb, Garmin Edge 1030, Sidi Touring Shoes, GK 650Bx1.75"

[Jack K]

Updated FS list below. Some new stuff, some previously posted stuff at 
reduced prices. 

   - *NEW SONdeluxe "Widebody" Dynohub: *New-in-the-box, 32 hole, black 
   anodized, 24 grams heavier than standard SONdeluxe, description from RH 
   website: "The Delux Wide-Body features extra-wide flange spacing (68 mm 
   vs. 50 mm) and a steel axle for a much stronger wheel. This hub is strong 
   enough for off-road racing and even tandems." More info and photos here: 
   
*https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/hubs/sondelux-wide-body-generator-hub/
  
   
<https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/hubs/sondelux-wide-body-generator-hub/>
  
   *Retail $285
*  $235 + $10 shipping *
   - *(SOLD) NEW Icebreaker 100% Merino Baselayer:* New-in-the-box, Men's 
   medium, dark navy color, long sleeve, half zip. *$50 + $6 shipping*
   - *NEW Traditionall Sidi Touring Shoes: *Bought new 15+ years ago and 
   stored in my closet since, size 42 (but a tight 42), Riv sold these back in 
   the day and they were popular with the iBOB's as well, SPD compatible by 
   removing access port on bottom of sole.
* $125 + $10 shipping *
   - *NEW Tektro (Nashbar Branded) Inline Brake Levers: *Fits 25.4-26.0 mm 
   bars, silver lever with black hinged clamp.
* $10 + $5 shipping *
   - *EC Stronglight Ironlight Cranks:* Polished silver, 130mm BCD, JIS 
   taper, English threading, very light and truly excellent used condition. 
*$110 
   + $8 shipping  **Reduced to $100 + $8 shipping*
   - *NEW Ortlieb "High Visibility" Sport Roller Panniers:* Roll-top 
   waterproof Sport-Roller's with entire surface of the pannier covered in 
   reflective beads for night visibility and made in a retina searing day-glo 
   yellow for visibility day, night, rain, fog or bright sun. Impulse buy when 
   I saw them on sale, but, honestly, my old plain yellow Ortliebs have a few 
   more decades of life in them. These are them: 
   
https://www.rei.com/product/870523/ortlieb-front-roller-high-visibility-panniers-pair
 
   
<https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rei.com%2Fproduct%2F870523%2Fortlieb-front-roller-high-visibility-panniers-pair=D=1=AFQjCNE0Vyr-ZzW6Qpvm2HUULRARta-hew>
   
   Retail is $240. 
*$165 + $15 shipping  Reduced to $155 + $15 shipping *
   - *NEW Garmin Edge 1030 Bundle Ultimate Bike Computer:* Another impulse 
   buy this spring when I saw it on sale and I was having fantasies of roaming 
   the back roads of America this summer, just me and my velocipede ... In 
   reality I've never even taken it out of it's box, since my old Edge Touring 
   works well enough for the my needs riding close to home. This is Garmin's 
   top-end model with more features than I even know about, much less could 
   relate here. It does have "heat map" routing so computed routes use roads 
   and trails often ridden by cyclists, which was the main improvement I was 
   interested in over my older model. Note, this is the "Bundle", which 
   includes premium heart-rate monitor and speed/cadence sensor, "out front" 
   mount, etc... This guy: https://www.jensonusa.com/Garmin-Edge-1030-Bundle   
   Retail $699.* $545 + $10 shipping.*
   - *NEW Pair of Panaracer Gravel King 650Bx1.75 Tires:* I decided to go 
   with skinnier Schwalbe G-One Speed's instead on my first 650B equipped 
   bike. *$60 + $10 shipping  *
   *Reduced to $55 + $10 shipping*

Newly added items:

   - *NOS Shimano 8s Bar-end Shifter Set:* New-In-Box set of Ultegra-level 
   8s (friction option) bar-end shifters with cables, downtube cable 
   stops/adjusters, 3 pieces of pre-cut black housing and handlebar "fairings" 
   to fit over the housing.   *$70 + $8 shipping*
   - *NOS Shimano 8s Bar-End Shifters:* New-In-Box, as above, but missing 
   the downtube cable stops and includes gray pre-cut housing.   *$55+$8 
   shipping*
   
Cheers & safe riding,

-Jack K.
Raleigh, NC



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[RBW] WTB: Nitto R14 Rack

[Jack K]

Hi,

I'm on the hunt for a Nitto R14 rack (silver or black, tombstone or no) to 
try on my recumbent. Most racks don't fit well, if at all, and I'm not sure 
the R14 will work out, so looks for something used to minimize my 
investment in this experiment. Anyone holding an R14 they're not using?

Cheers and safe riding,

-Jack K.
Raleigh, NC


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[RBW] Re: FS: Stronglight Cranks, Garmin Edge 1030, Hi-Vis Ortlieb, Evernew Ti Pot, Gravel Kings

[Jack K]

Sorry, forgot to note that the Stronglight cranks are 170mm and they use 
the modern standard extractor. Would be a great choice for a 1xN or fixed 
gear setup.

-Jack

On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 12:01:38 PM UTC-4, Jack K wrote:
>
> Hoping to move some good gear on to new homes. Next stop eBay ... 
>
>- *Stronglight Ironlight Cranks:* Polished silver, 130mm BCD, JIS 
>taper, English threading, very light and truly excellent used condition. 
> *$110 
>+ $8 shipping*
>- *NEW Ortlieb "High Visibility" Sport Roller Panniers:* Roll-top 
>waterproof Sport-Roller's with entire surface of the pannier covered in 
>reflective beads for night visibility and made in a retina searing day-glo 
>yellow for visibility day, night, rain, fog or bright sun. Impulse buy 
> when 
>I saw them on sale, but, honestly, my old plain yellow Ortliebs have a few 
>more decades of life in them. These are them: 
>
> https://www.rei.com/product/870523/ortlieb-front-roller-high-visibility-panniers-pair
>
>Retail is $240. *$175 + shipping ($10 east of the Mississippi, $15 
>west)*
>- *NEW Garmin Edge 1030 Bundle Ultimate Bike Computer:* Another 
>impulse buy this spring when I saw it on sale and I was having fantasies 
> of 
>roaming the back roads of America this summer, just me and my velocipede 
>... In reality I've never even taken it out of it's box, since my old Edge 
>Touring works well enough for the my needs riding close to home. This is 
>Garmin's top-end model with more features than I even know about, much 
> less 
>could relate here. It does have "heat map" routing so computed routes use 
>roads and trails often ridden by cyclists, which was the main improvement 
> I 
>was interested in over my older model. Note, this is the "Bundle", which 
>includes premium heart-rate monitor and speed/cadence sensor, "out front" 
>mount, etc... This guy: 
>https://www.jensonusa.com/Garmin-Edge-1030-Bundle   Retail $699.* $545 
>+ $10 shipping.*
>- *NEW Pair of Panaracer Gravel King 650Bx1.75 Tires:* I decided to go 
>with skinnier Schwalbe G-One Speed's instead on my first 650B equipped 
>bike. *$60 + $10 shipping*
>- *Big Agnes DAC Stakes (x8) + MSR Groundhog knockoffs (x2):* The Big 
>Agnes DAC stakes came with the new Copper Spur I bought this spring and 
>have been pressed into the lawn in my backyard twice when test pitching 
> the 
>new tent. The MSR Groundhog knockoffs have more use, but are like new. 
>Note, the BA DAC stakes are extremely nice, extremely durable and 
> extremely 
>light (no heavier than the spendy titanium stakes I replaced them with). 
> *$13 + $5 shipping *
>    - *Evernew Titanium 1.3 Liter Pot: *Used, but only slightly. Very 
>clean, but does have a small ding on the edge of the upper lip. *$35 + 
>$8 shipping*
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Jack K.
> Raleigh, NC
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: NEW Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 Tent + Titanium Stakes

[Jack K]

The Copper Spur tent has been sold.

Cheers,

-Jack K.

On Saturday, June 8, 2019 at 4:14:22 PM UTC-4, Jack K wrote:
>
> Hey Riv-folk,
>
> After extensive research I bought this latest gen Big Agnes Copper Spur HV 
> UL2 tent last year for use backpacking & bike touring with 1 or 2 people. 
> Last winter I found a good deal on a slightly used "Mountain Glow" version 
> of this same tent, which has tiny LED's sewn into the roof seams. So, this 
> new Copper Spur is for sale having never even been set up outside (I did 
> assemble it in my living room when I first got it to check it out). The 
> Copper Spur wins many backpacking "best ultralight tent" shootouts, for 
> whatever that's worth, and Big Agnes design & quality are tough to beat. 
> Features a trail weight of 2lbs 12oz (nearly 1/2 the weight of my previous 
> backpacking tent), 29 ft^2 of floor space, and two doors, each with a 9 
> ft^2 vestibule. 
>
> Link to REI page with full features and spec's: 
> https://www.rei.com/product/110209/big-agnes-copper-spur-hv-ul-2-tent?CAWELAID=120217890003896384=pla=15724358560=aud-363396065244:pla-302756173628_mmc=PLA_Google|404_57767|1102090002|none|0207fe7c-3f60-4840-a9c5-e1c92f635344|aud-363396065244:pla-302756173628=cm_mmc:PLA_Google_LIA|404_57767|1102090002|none|0207fe7c-3f60-4840-a9c5-e1c92f635344=0207fe7c-3f60-4840-a9c5-e1c92f635344=CKfR45bE2uICFZiFswodB10Dsg
>
> Link to balanced 2019 review of the Copper Spur (tent in the review is the 
> same orange/gray color scheme as the tent on offer here): 
> https://www.switchbacktravel.com/reviews/big-agnes-copper-spur-hv-ul2
>
> Note: I replaced the 8 aluminum stakes that Big Agnes supplies with 10 new 
> titanium stakes. The 10 Ti stakes are only slightly lighter than the 8 
> aluminum stakes, but should be much more durable and easier to get in the 
> ground due to being less bulky. The "nail" style stakes are essential for 
> rocky ground and with 4 stakes the tent can be set up with the rainfly 
> fully staked out. Photo of Ti stake package attached.
>
> Cheapest price currently for this tent new on eBay is $375 shipped. 
> Will sell new tent + BA 8 original aluminum stakes (pushed in the ground 
> once testing setup of my Mountain Glow tent) for $355 shipped (in the 
> ConUS). 
> Substitute never used custom Ti 10 stake package for the Al stakes for $25 
> additional ($380 shipped).
>
> Cheers & safe riding,
>
> -Jack K.
> Raleigh, NC
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: NEW Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 Tent + Titanium Stakes

[Jack K]

No footprint comes with this tent, it's optional and not included with the 
tent as it comes from Big Agnes. I didn't buy the footprint from Big Agnes 
for my Mtn Glow version of the Copper Spur tent, instead I made one from 
Tyvek sheet that is far less expensive, lighter and packs smaller. I was 
able to buy the materials (Tyvek, adhesive corner tabs, thin elastic cord) 
for a bit over $20 on eBay. Easy peasey ...

-Jack

On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 11:57:45 AM UTC-4, John McBurney wrote:
>
> I am tempted but have a nice Fly Creek 
>
> This is a really nice tent. Somebody should jump on this. Does it include 
> the footprint?
>
> John
>
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 11:02 AM Jack K > 
> wrote:
>
>> Last call on the new Big Agnes Copper Spur *+ titanium stake package* 
>> before it heads to eBay. Now $350 + $15 shipping. That's considerably less 
>> than I paid for the tent alone and I got a pretty good deal on it.
>>
>> -J
>> Nclude 
>> On Saturday, June 8, 2019 at 4:14:22 PM UTC-4, Jack K wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Riv-folk,
>>>
>>> After extensive research I bought this latest gen Big Agnes Copper Spur 
>>> HV UL2 tent last year for use backpacking & bike touring with 1 or 2 
>>> people. Last winter I found a good deal on a slightly used "Mountain Glow" 
>>> version of this same tent, which has tiny LED's sewn into the roof seams. 
>>> So, this new Copper Spur is for sale having never even been set up outside 
>>> (I did assemble it in my living room when I first got it to check it out). 
>>> The Copper Spur wins many backpacking "best ultralight tent" shootouts, for 
>>> whatever that's worth, and Big Agnes design & quality are tough to beat. 
>>> Features a trail weight of 2lbs 12oz (nearly 1/2 the weight of my previous 
>>> backpacking tent), 29 ft^2 of floor space, and two doors, each with a 9 
>>> ft^2 vestibule. 
>>>
>>> Link to REI page with full features and spec's: 
>>> https://www.rei.com/product/110209/big-agnes-copper-spur-hv-ul-2-tent?CAWELAID=120217890003896384=pla=15724358560=aud-363396065244:pla-302756173628_mmc=PLA_Google|404_57767|1102090002|none|0207fe7c-3f60-4840-a9c5-e1c92f635344|aud-363396065244:pla-302756173628=cm_mmc:PLA_Google_LIA|404_57767|1102090002|none|0207fe7c-3f60-4840-a9c5-e1c92f635344=0207fe7c-3f60-4840-a9c5-e1c92f635344=CKfR45bE2uICFZiFswodB10Dsg
>>>
>>> Link to balanced 2019 review of the Copper Spur (tent in the review is 
>>> the same orange/gray color scheme as the tent on offer here): 
>>> https://www.switchbacktravel.com/reviews/big-agnes-copper-spur-hv-ul2
>>>
>>> Note: I replaced the 8 aluminum stakes that Big Agnes supplies with 10 
>>> new titanium stakes. The 10 Ti stakes are only slightly lighter than the 8 
>>> aluminum stakes, but should be much more durable and easier to get in the 
>>> ground due to being less bulky. The "nail" style stakes are essential for 
>>> rocky ground and with 4 stakes the tent can be set up with the rainfly 
>>> fully staked out. Photo of Ti stake package attached.
>>>
>>> Cheapest price currently for this tent new on eBay is $375 shipped. 
>>> Will sell new tent + BA 8 original aluminum stakes (pushed in the ground 
>>> once testing setup of my Mountain Glow tent) for $355 shipped (in the 
>>> ConUS). 
>>> Substitute never used custom Ti 10 stake package for the Al stakes for 
>>> $25 additional ($380 shipped).
>>>
>>> Cheers & safe riding,
>>>
>>> -Jack K.
>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: NEW Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 Tent + Titanium Stakes

[Jack K]

Last call on the new Big Agnes Copper Spur *+ titanium stake package* 
before it heads to eBay. Now $350 + $15 shipping. That's considerably less 
than I paid for the tent alone and I got a pretty good deal on it.

-J

On Saturday, June 8, 2019 at 4:14:22 PM UTC-4, Jack K wrote:
>
> Hey Riv-folk,
>
> After extensive research I bought this latest gen Big Agnes Copper Spur HV 
> UL2 tent last year for use backpacking & bike touring with 1 or 2 people. 
> Last winter I found a good deal on a slightly used "Mountain Glow" version 
> of this same tent, which has tiny LED's sewn into the roof seams. So, this 
> new Copper Spur is for sale having never even been set up outside (I did 
> assemble it in my living room when I first got it to check it out). The 
> Copper Spur wins many backpacking "best ultralight tent" shootouts, for 
> whatever that's worth, and Big Agnes design & quality are tough to beat. 
> Features a trail weight of 2lbs 12oz (nearly 1/2 the weight of my previous 
> backpacking tent), 29 ft^2 of floor space, and two doors, each with a 9 
> ft^2 vestibule. 
>
> Link to REI page with full features and spec's: 
> https://www.rei.com/product/110209/big-agnes-copper-spur-hv-ul-2-tent?CAWELAID=120217890003896384=pla=15724358560=aud-363396065244:pla-302756173628_mmc=PLA_Google|404_57767|1102090002|none|0207fe7c-3f60-4840-a9c5-e1c92f635344|aud-363396065244:pla-302756173628=cm_mmc:PLA_Google_LIA|404_57767|1102090002|none|0207fe7c-3f60-4840-a9c5-e1c92f635344=0207fe7c-3f60-4840-a9c5-e1c92f635344=CKfR45bE2uICFZiFswodB10Dsg
>
> Link to balanced 2019 review of the Copper Spur (tent in the review is the 
> same orange/gray color scheme as the tent on offer here): 
> https://www.switchbacktravel.com/reviews/big-agnes-copper-spur-hv-ul2
>
> Note: I replaced the 8 aluminum stakes that Big Agnes supplies with 10 new 
> titanium stakes. The 10 Ti stakes are only slightly lighter than the 8 
> aluminum stakes, but should be much more durable and easier to get in the 
> ground due to being less bulky. The "nail" style stakes are essential for 
> rocky ground and with 4 stakes the tent can be set up with the rainfly 
> fully staked out. Photo of Ti stake package attached.
>
> Cheapest price currently for this tent new on eBay is $375 shipped. 
> Will sell new tent + BA 8 original aluminum stakes (pushed in the ground 
> once testing setup of my Mountain Glow tent) for $355 shipped (in the 
> ConUS). 
> Substitute never used custom Ti 10 stake package for the Al stakes for $25 
> additional ($380 shipped).
>
> Cheers & safe riding,
>
> -Jack K.
> Raleigh, NC
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: NEW Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 Tent + Titanium Stakes

[Jack K]

Latest model Copper Spur ultralight 2 man tent + titanium stake set still 
available. $355 + $15 shipping in the ConUS


On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 10:08:54 AM UTC-4, Jack K wrote:
>
> New Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 tent still available. Tent + 10 titanium 
> stake package reduced to $355 + $15 shipping (within the ConUS).
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Jack K.
>
> On Saturday, June 8, 2019 at 4:14:22 PM UTC-4, Jack K wrote:
>>
>> Hey Riv-folk,
>>
>> After extensive research I bought this latest gen Big Agnes Copper Spur 
>> HV UL2 tent last year for use backpacking & bike touring with 1 or 2 
>> people. Last winter I found a good deal on a slightly used "Mountain Glow" 
>> version of this same tent, which has tiny LED's sewn into the roof seams. 
>> So, this new Copper Spur is for sale having never even been set up outside 
>> (I did assemble it in my living room when I first got it to check it out). 
>> The Copper Spur wins many backpacking "best ultralight tent" shootouts, for 
>> whatever that's worth, and Big Agnes design & quality are tough to beat. 
>> Features a trail weight of 2lbs 12oz (nearly 1/2 the weight of my previous 
>> backpacking tent), 29 ft^2 of floor space, and two doors, each with a 9 
>> ft^2 vestibule. 
>>
>> Link to REI page with full features and spec's: 
>> https://www.rei.com/product/110209/big-agnes-copper-spur-hv-ul-2-tent?CAWELAID=120217890003896384=pla=15724358560=aud-363396065244:pla-302756173628_mmc=PLA_Google|404_57767|1102090002|none|0207fe7c-3f60-4840-a9c5-e1c92f635344|aud-363396065244:pla-302756173628=cm_mmc:PLA_Google_LIA|404_57767|1102090002|none|0207fe7c-3f60-4840-a9c5-e1c92f635344=0207fe7c-3f60-4840-a9c5-e1c92f635344=CKfR45bE2uICFZiFswodB10Dsg
>>
>> Link to balanced 2019 review of the Copper Spur (tent in the review is 
>> the same orange/gray color scheme as the tent on offer here): 
>> https://www.switchbacktravel.com/reviews/big-agnes-copper-spur-hv-ul2
>>
>> Note: I replaced the 8 aluminum stakes that Big Agnes supplies with 10 
>> new titanium stakes. The 10 Ti stakes are only slightly lighter than the 8 
>> aluminum stakes, but should be much more durable and easier to get in the 
>> ground due to being less bulky. The "nail" style stakes are essential for 
>> rocky ground and with 4 stakes the tent can be set up with the rainfly 
>> fully staked out. Photo of Ti stake package attached.
>>
>> Cheapest price currently for this tent new on eBay is $375 shipped. 
>> Will sell new tent + BA 8 original aluminum stakes (pushed in the ground 
>> once testing setup of my Mountain Glow tent) for $355 shipped (in the 
>> ConUS). 
>> Substitute never used custom Ti 10 stake package for the Al stakes for 
>> $25 additional ($380 shipped).
>>
>> Cheers & safe riding,
>>
>> -Jack K.
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: NEW Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 Tent + Titanium Stakes

[Jack K]

New Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 tent still available. Tent + 10 titanium 
stake package reduced to $355 + $15 shipping (within the ConUS).

Cheers,

-Jack K.

On Saturday, June 8, 2019 at 4:14:22 PM UTC-4, Jack K wrote:
>
> Hey Riv-folk,
>
> After extensive research I bought this latest gen Big Agnes Copper Spur HV 
> UL2 tent last year for use backpacking & bike touring with 1 or 2 people. 
> Last winter I found a good deal on a slightly used "Mountain Glow" version 
> of this same tent, which has tiny LED's sewn into the roof seams. So, this 
> new Copper Spur is for sale having never even been set up outside (I did 
> assemble it in my living room when I first got it to check it out). The 
> Copper Spur wins many backpacking "best ultralight tent" shootouts, for 
> whatever that's worth, and Big Agnes design & quality are tough to beat. 
> Features a trail weight of 2lbs 12oz (nearly 1/2 the weight of my previous 
> backpacking tent), 29 ft^2 of floor space, and two doors, each with a 9 
> ft^2 vestibule. 
>
> Link to REI page with full features and spec's: 
> https://www.rei.com/product/110209/big-agnes-copper-spur-hv-ul-2-tent?CAWELAID=120217890003896384=pla=15724358560=aud-363396065244:pla-302756173628_mmc=PLA_Google|404_57767|1102090002|none|0207fe7c-3f60-4840-a9c5-e1c92f635344|aud-363396065244:pla-302756173628=cm_mmc:PLA_Google_LIA|404_57767|1102090002|none|0207fe7c-3f60-4840-a9c5-e1c92f635344=0207fe7c-3f60-4840-a9c5-e1c92f635344=CKfR45bE2uICFZiFswodB10Dsg
>
> Link to balanced 2019 review of the Copper Spur (tent in the review is the 
> same orange/gray color scheme as the tent on offer here): 
> https://www.switchbacktravel.com/reviews/big-agnes-copper-spur-hv-ul2
>
> Note: I replaced the 8 aluminum stakes that Big Agnes supplies with 10 new 
> titanium stakes. The 10 Ti stakes are only slightly lighter than the 8 
> aluminum stakes, but should be much more durable and easier to get in the 
> ground due to being less bulky. The "nail" style stakes are essential for 
> rocky ground and with 4 stakes the tent can be set up with the rainfly 
> fully staked out. Photo of Ti stake package attached.
>
> Cheapest price currently for this tent new on eBay is $375 shipped. 
> Will sell new tent + BA 8 original aluminum stakes (pushed in the ground 
> once testing setup of my Mountain Glow tent) for $355 shipped (in the 
> ConUS). 
> Substitute never used custom Ti 10 stake package for the Al stakes for $25 
> additional ($380 shipped).
>
> Cheers & safe riding,
>
> -Jack K.
> Raleigh, NC
>

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[RBW] Re: 3x9 brifter recommendations? (Sam Hillborne 62cm, Tektro r559, noodles)

[Jack K]

To reduce "knee jam on sharp turn" issues with bar-end shifters I always 
trim off a shifter body's worth of handle bar end. For me that helps a lot 
in keeping from getting poked by the shift lever. I've seen it written that 
some bars narrow enough away from the tip that a bar-end shift will no 
longer fit inside if an inch of two is lopped off, but I've trimmed quite a 
few bars from various makers and never experienced that issue. Not saying 
it doesn't happen, just that it hasn't happened to me.

BTW, although lots of folks do this sort of handlebar-ectomy with a hacksaw 
with good results, I've always used a plumbing tubing cutter. The new cut, 
after a bit of sandpapering, has always looked equally clean and precise as 
the original manufacturer supplied end of the bar.

-Jack K.


On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 at 11:48:55 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> That's good advice. The biggest problem with bar-ends (on drops) is just 
> getting used to where they are and learning to not jam your knees into them 
> on sharp turns. It's such a strong muscle memory for me now that I still do 
> it on my brifter bike!

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[RBW] Re: Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[jack loudon]

[image: thorn]
I'm sure many of you have seen this from Sheldon Brown...


On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 6:43:55 AM UTC-7, esoterica etc wrote:
>
>
> Howdy all, 
>
> I’m looking into possible ways on how to construct a “quick release” 
> method for easy swapping of cockpits. My Atlantis currently has Choco bars 
> on it which I really like and are great for country rambles, but there are 
> often times I wish for a different setup, such as drop bars or a Jones bar, 
> etc. Since the Atlantis (and most other Riv’s) are billed as 
> all-rounders/multi-purpose bikes, I figured one way to really use them to 
> their fullest potential would be to have two or more fully-built cockpits 
> ready to swap depending on your mood and/or terrain you plan to ride on any 
> given day. Makes sense, right? 
>
> So my question to the group is: has anyone tried doing this? I’ve looked 
> at using something like the Bruce Gordon couplers, although the BG couplers 
> are only for shifter cables and he doesn’t have couplers for brake cables. 
> Or maybe the Richey Quick Disconnect, which have both shifter and brake 
> units. But these look like they’re designed primarily for a Rinko-type bike 
> or something with S couplers for easy disassembling, and not necessarily 
> for cockpit swapping. Any ideas/suggestions as to how I can pull this off? 
> Or can someone explain to me why this doesn’t seem to really be a thing, 
> despite what a brilliant idea it sounds like? Am I missing something 
> totally obvious to everyone else? 
> Thanks y’all, 
>
> ~Mark 
> Raleigh, NC

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[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

[jack loudon]

"I like the idea of doing it myself, and I don't want a machine to take it 
over for me!"

As I get older I also find myself leaning more toward simple over complex.  
Complex can be wonderfully convenient until it fails, and I've had two 
indexing failures.  My first shifter fail was 9-sp Campy Chorus brifters.  
I disassembled them to replace the worn G springs and to my shame, was 
unable to reassemble them, so had to take them to a bike shop (I'm stubborn 
about doing all my own wrenching, and this was before I was aware of 
youtube videos on everything).  Also on that bike I was running Shimano 
freewheels so had to be overly clever in changing cog spacer widths (thanks 
Sheldon) to make the setup shift smoothly with Campy brifters.  My next 
indexing failure was on a Shimano Bar-con, where the solution was simply to 
lift the D ring and rotate the barrel to 'friction'.  I never gave indexing 
much thought after that, as it was a solution to a problem I didn't have.  
 I guess indexing and electronic shifting have their place, but not for the 
kind of riding I do.

Jack - Seattle



On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 6:56:48 AM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I'm back to friction almost exclusively now and I am tired of fiddling 
> with indexing setups.  I like the idea of set and forget and I love the 
> idea of really having to be in tune with the bike to shift.  My Jones has 
> 11 speed XT which does shift really nicely, but when I get back to friction 
> on the Hunq I never worry about being out and having an issue arise.  
>
> I kind of find it to be a Luddite vs Industrialization argument, without 
> the machine smashing.  I like the idea of doing it myself, and I don't want 
> a machine to take it over for me!
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Re: [RBW] Friction vs Indexed

[jack loudon]

I agree with Patrick, and for pretty much the same reasons.  My 1x10 has a 
friction thumby and the 2x9 has friction bar-ends, and I have no desire to 
go back to indexing.  The lateral play in the derailleur jockey wheel makes 
the chain self-align with the cog to a certain extent, so missed shifts are 
rare.  Though I wouldn't like friction so much if I couldn't keep both 
hands on the bars while shifting, so friction on downtube shifters seems 
borderline dangerous to me (although that's all we used BITD).

Jack - Seattle

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 9:08:44 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I like friction for several reasons; in order of importance (importance to 
> me, of course):
>
> 1. I like developing and using the skill. I've found that even pulling an 
> 8-speed derailleur with 5-speed shifters (741x, Bar Cons -- relevant 
> because modern shifting systems require more pull to move between cogs, 
> allowing a certain greater precision) over 10 (mismatched) cogs is quite 
> easy with practice; in fact, when I do mis-shift, it's not because the 
> system isn't precise enough, it's because I shift too gingerly and end up 
> not pulling *enough* cable.
>
> 2. It's simple and requires almost no maintenance. I hate fiddling with 
> indexing; learned that hate back in the 7-speed XT days.
>
> 3. It allows you to mix and match.
>
> 4. It discourages unnecessary shifting. I *like* having to ride at a wide 
> variety of cadences and torque levels. That said, I also hate large 
> mid-range jumps; "large" means more than 1-tooth differences. Inconsistent, 
> but still true.
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 9:49 AM Friend > 
> wrote:
>
>> I am getting ready to build up an AHH frame.  I am planning on putting 
>> noodle bars on it and having it be 3/9 with bar-end shifters.  I'm 
>> wondering whether people here prefer friction or indexed shifters, and 
>> why.  Would love to hear any thoughts.
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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish bike shop in Ann Arbor?

[Jack K]

The "Ann Arbor Classic Bicycle Show" is actually in Saline and used to be 
named that, I've been to it many times when it had the old name. It is a 
big show/swap and I was always happy I went, but ... When they say 
"classic" they mean more classic (i.e. vintage) than most Riv-folk are 
focused on. They're be lots of Whizzers, 40's & 50's balloon tire bikes, 
banana seat & ape hanger barred "Krate" bikes and a show of custom 
"lowrider" bikes, with a random smattering of "lightweight" drop bar bikes 
and goods for them. I've been to far smaller show/swaps that held far more 
interest for me, but it obviously depends on your cycling interests ...

-Jack K.

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish bike shop in Ann Arbor?

[Jack K]

When I head back to A2 there are 3 shops I like to visit, though I'm not a 
good judge of how Riv-ish they are:

   - Midwest Tandem: Lots of tandems (doh!) and recumbents and usually some 
   other interesting velocipedes in the shop to gawk at. Be prepared to spend 
   some time, as the owner tends to be pretty chatty. 
   https://www.yelp.com/biz/midwest-bike-and-tandem-ann-arbor
   - SIC Transit Cycles: Probably the shop in A2 most like what you asked 
   for. Good folks, good selection of stuff. 
   https://www.yelp.com/biz/sic-transit-cycles-ann-arbor?osq=Bicycle+Shop
   - Shinola Lifestyle Boutique: Shinola has a showroom on Main St. 
   downtown that's fun to walk through. Get yourself a cappuccino from the 
   Shinola espresso bar and enjoy a leisurely tour of chi chi leather goods, 
   watches and bicycles from Shinola. I can't imagine buying anything there, 
   but I do enjoy wandering through.
   
Since you grew up in A2 I assume you know to stay away from Student Bike 
Shop. They've been selling stolen bikes and abusing customers for at least 
30 years that I know of and somehow they're still in business. A thoroughly 
unpleasant place to spend any time at all in my experience.

Cheers,

-Jack

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 12:01:17 PM UTC-4, Sean Kline wrote:
>
> Hi all: I have some free time on an upcoming business trip.and am 
> wondering if there are any Riv-ish bike shops in Ann Arbor? Also, any bike 
> rental places you would recommend?
>
> I grew up in Ann Arbor (son of a professor) and would love to tool around 
> by bike and see what I remember. 
>
> Thanks,
> Sean
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Bike Shop Recs DC Area

[Jack K]

I visited the DC area a couple of months ago and had a great time poking 
around Bikes At Vienna (http://www.bikesatvienna.com/). They specialize in 
recumbent and folding bikes, with a good selection of less common 
accessories too (Brooks saddles, dynohubs, etc...). If you have no interest 
in recumbents or folders it may not be your cup'o tea, but it was well 
worth the trip for me..

Cheers,

-Jack

On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 10:26:04 AM UTC-4, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I'm visiting the DC area with the family.  Any suggestions for cool shops? 
>  Also might go to Baltimore for a day.

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[RBW] WTB: Microshift MTN 10 or 11 Speed Barend Shifters

[Jack K]

Hey Riv'ians,

I have need of a Microshift barend shifter for either Shimano 10 or 11 
speed mountain RD's. The 11 would be perfect, but 10 works fine since I 
haven't bought the RD or cassette yet. This is going on another micro road 
bike build for a 9 year old pal, so the budget is too tight for new. Anyone 
have Microshift MTN barends they'd like to sell? I actually only need the 
right shifter, but happy to buy a set or just a right.

Thanks!

-Jack

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[RBW] Re: Ethics Question

[Jack K]

Yes, definitely ethical. But best to do the swap at night, under cover of 
darkness.

-Jack K.

On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 1:43:45 PM UTC-5, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Serious issue here and I need guidance.  
>
> My wife’s Betty Foy has a beautiful Suntour XC crank on it. My Saluki has 
> a beautiful but more industrial 80s Shimano crank on it. 
>
> Is it ethical to pillage her Foy for the crank?
>
> Justin
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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[jack loudon]

Hmmm... Ultra-romance is called a 'Rivendell sponsored rider and mobile 
dealer".  Does this mean Ultra got a free frame plus revenue on (his) sales 
in exchange for promoting Rivendell?  No negativism intended, as it sounds 
like a good move, that will potentially expose Rivendell to a younger 
hipper market.

Jack
Seattle

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 10:22:38 AM UTC-8, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> Check out this Radavist article.
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/2019/01/ultra-romance-and-his-rivendell-atlantis-mountain-bike/?no_cache=1=IwAR2wUcRjIMLbddCD5n4U4xA6rikEuINj9y-XjlIZfnJOQgsysE7OwTA6N4o#1
>
> Yes, you can ride a Rivendell like an MTB and have a ton of fun doing it. 
> Man, I wish I were tall enough to get a second top tube Riv, because I 
> think they look awesome. 
>
>
>
> This is a great setup for an off road Rivendell, but I would go with a 
> Cambium saddle instead of a leather one, personally, but whatever. I 
> haven't used drop bars on an off road bike except for cyclocross stuff, and 
> those bars I've always felt were too narrow. Not these; check out the width 
> of the bars...just wonderful. I have to try and get a similar bike together 
> as I just bought a set of these bars in 615 length. I was thinking about 
> installing them on my Appaloosa but I'm really digging the Bullmoose bars I 
> have on it right now. 
>
> Huh, might need another frame now. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Cool bike shops in Boston?

[Jack K]

Gosh darn it! Yesterday I posted to the 650B list thinking I was posting to 
iBOB. Apparently I needed another dose of humility and repeated the same 
SNAFU today, but to the RBW list. Yes, I'm a doofus. Please substitute 
"RBW'er" for "iBOB" in my post and it'll make more sense.

Thanks for your understanding,

-Jack K.

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 1:24:42 PM UTC-5, Jack K wrote:
>
> I was lucky enough to live in Boston for a few years at the start of this 
> millennium, so admittedly my intel on shops there may be a bit dated. 
> Harris Cyclery is an obvious iBOB choice, as every devout iBOB should make 
> the hajj to Harris at least once in their life. By pure random chance my 
> first apartment in "Boston" (really West Newton) was a few hundred yards 
> from Harris -- a sure sign I had made the right housing choice. But, at 
> least at that time, the shop itself was kind of underwhelming. Certainly a 
> cool little local shop with some neat stuff (big display of vintage 
> Raleigh's at that time), but not a life changing experience. I'm surprised 
> nobody has mentioned Belmont Wheelworks, which is the shop I used to wander 
> to if I had some time to kill on a Saturday afternoon. This place: 
> https://www.wheelworks.com/  This is an enormous shop with a huge 
> selection of bikes of every description -- see attached photo of a small 
> corner of the showroom. Built up and ready to test ride there was a huge 
> assortment of the usual mainstream road and MTB bikes, but also tandems, 
> recumbents, city bikes, touring bikes & gear, the odd unicycle, etc... The 
> collection of rare and vintage bikes and jerseys on display is worth the 
> trip in itself. I was heavy into tandems at the time and the most amazing 
> to me was a 100+ year old donkey-back triple tandem for pacing track races. 
> There was also a Serotta Ti Legend with the DKS suspension seatstay option 
> on the wall that I usually ended up staring at for much too long. They also 
> have a frame builder-in-residence (
> http://www.peter-mooney.com/photos-1-50/) and there was always some of 
> his work on display, which is probably of more interest to most iBOB's. 
>
> Despite being the most fully stocked bike shop I'd ever been in, Belmont 
> Wheelworks had a second space just around the corner, not more than a few 
> hundred feet away, called "the annex" or "Wheelworks Anne" or some such. 
> It's where dead stock and trade-in bikes went to die. Being a notoriously 
> frugal iBOB I spent many hours there mining for treasure. That space 
> doesn't appear to be part of the operation anymore though. As I mentioned, 
> all my intel on this shop is pretty stale.
>
> Anyone visited Belmont Wheelworks recently and can report on the state of 
> things there?
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Jack K.
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 11:46:11 AM UTC-5, Nathan Phipps wrote:
>>
>> Lots depending on the flavor of bob-sh you're looking for.
>>
>>- Harris Cyclery (Newton) is your pure bob-ish experience - sells and 
>>stocks Rivs, Gunnars, dynamo stuff, lots of Brooks bits.
>>- Broadway Bicycle (Cambridge) school is your new-school Surly, 
>>Crust, worker-owned bob-ish shop
>>- Cambridge Cycles (Cambridge) is another formerly fixie/messenger 
>>culture-focused turned Crust and bike-packing bob-ish shop
>>- Somervelo (Somerville) is your black-metal tinged custom bike 
>>bob-ish shop
>>
>> Quite a spectrum - moving from most to least bob-ish from top to bottom 
>> in my estimation.
>>
>> I'll be in Boston this weekend myself, but with kid in-tow. I don't 
>> expect to make it to any shops, but you never know. Enjoy!  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 10:02:33 PM UTC-5, Timothy Hurley wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, 
>>>I’m headed to Boston this weekend, are there any bob-ish/riv-y bike 
>>> shops there? 
>>>
>>> Thanks! 
>>>
>>> -T.J.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How young is too young for a boy to get a hatchet?

[jack loudon]

"Looking back on my childhood, I am amazed at how much freedom I and my 
siblings had..."

This was also my experience, growing up in rural northern California in the 
'50's and '60's.  As long as I did well in school and was polite to 
grownups, I could do just about anything.  My otherwise strict parents 
would let me roam at will (with bb gun or pellet gun), as long as I was 
back by dinnertime.  At age 11 my friend and I took an overnight trip down 
the river in our separate rowboats.  We were dropped off upstream and 
picked up the next evening at a prearranged spot 30 miles downstream.  

 



On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 8:21:00 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Steve: I approve, though I have to admit that I failed to be as confident 
> when my daughter was your son's age. In fact, from what I read, child 
> abductions, for one danger, are lower today than they were in the 1990s. 
> But I say, kudos.
>
> OTOH, one of my early memories is slashing my left forefinger with a very 
> nice pocket knife my father gave me for an early birthday; forget age. I 
> just looked at the star now, 55+ years later.
>
> On to the more general question. Looking back on my childhood, I am amazed 
> at how much freedom I and my siblings had in the 60s and 70s; such as, age 
> 14, calling Mom and telling her "I'll spend the weekend with Brian" and 
> getting unquestioned permission. This left me hitchhiking back 30+ miles on 
> a drowsy Sunday afternoon along an isolated blacktop with infrequent 
> traffic while hung over from the previous night's festivities -- Thika back 
> to Rosslyn NW of Nairobi, 1969-1971. And yet my parents were very, very 
> attentive and strict. My brother, almost 6 years younger, would disappear, 
> age 8 to 10, into the surrounding bush to play with the village children, 
> learn Swahili, and hunt pigeons with stones, to roast over a fire along 
> with wild potatoes. As long as we were home by dinner time, no one 
> complained; no one even asked. I learned urban survival skills, especially 
> from the few times I was picked up, hitchhiking, by drunks or stoners, 
> either somnolent or hilarious, or angry and agressive; a year or 2 later, 
> urban bike riding skills in lawless traffic. My brother learned rural 
> survival skills. We all survived, the better for the youthful freedom.
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:57 AM Dave Grossman  > wrote:
>
>>
>>> Compare this to the Mongolian kids hopping on little horses at two or 
>>> three years old. My kid has been fencing since he was 7, so he's at least 
>>> got some awareness of pointy tools. Plus we cook together in the kitchen, 
>>> and have done some basic bicycle repairs. *I wish my dad had been more 
>>> of the type to introduce me to these skill sets.*
>>>
>>
>> That is my motivation with my kids as well.  In our modern world most of 
>> us (especially in urban locales) are devoid of these types of skill sets.  
>> I've tried to learn as much as I can but I know so little. I want them to 
>> have a good understanding of those skill sets as they age.  My six year old 
>> has been cutting veggies and fruit with a knife since he was 3.  He makes a 
>> mean salad these days.
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[RBW] Re: Fall bosque ride

[jack loudon]

Thanks for the photos and comments.  Two things:

First, Bosque is a new word for me.  Thought you meant Basque until I 
Wiki'd it. Thanks for the introduction.

Second, regarding your comment: "And I noticed again that being bent over 
very often, and in this instance, *removes* weight from your 
hands/arms/shoulders: my hands felt *lighter* on the bar."   I remember 
feeling this as well, and thought it was because when bent over far enough, 
the torso reaches its elastic limits, with the back stretched and the 
stomach compressed to offset the pull of gravity, and therefore doesn't 
require muscles to maintain a bent-over position.  If this is correct, 
supple people would have to bend over farther than stiff people, before 
this effect is felt.

Jack

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 2:44:44 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Nice 18-mile dirt trail ride just now; perfect fall weather. Each season 
> has its own beauty, but one element of each season's beauty is the quality 
> of the light; I daresay the differences are more noticeable at 5K+ feet.
>
> The new (1 cm longer, 10 instead of 9) stem felt very good. A wee, tiny 
> bit of a stretch to the hoods (shortish Shimano aero hoods) but that's 
> fine, since the benefit is principally a less cramped feel on the long 
> ramps (Maes Parallel bar) -- long even tho' levers are attached rather high 
> on the curve. 
>
> And I noticed again that being bent over very often, and in this instance, 
> *removes* weight from your hands/arms/shoulders: my hands felt *lighter* on 
> the bar. (This requires that your saddle be sufficiently behind the bb, 
> though.) A bit more exercise for my neck, but overall more comfortable.
>
> Interesting: the Matthews feels more like my 2 Riv Roads now, tho' those 
> have 8 cm stems (albeit Nittos) 3 or 4 cm below saddle, while the Matthews 
> has a bar 1/4" below saddle and a 10 cm stem; it also has a bar 4 cm wider: 
> 42 versus 38, so there are different ways to skin this particular cat.
>
> The City has installed little jetties or decks from where to view the 
> river. The viewpoint is 1/2 mile south of Central Boulevard, the old Rt 66 
> about 5-6 miles south of my house as crows fly.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary

[jack loudon]

I like threadless mainly because of the removable faceplate.  I change out 
handlebars and stems way too frequently, so a removable faceplate saves a 
lot of bar tape unwrapping/rewrapping.  Other reasons for threadless are: 
(a) more rigid connection with steerer tube, which I like but others may 
not; (b) easy to adjust headset in the field, and; (c) stems can be had for 
31.8 bars.  And, (apologies to traditionalists) I also think threadless is 
a better engineering solution.  Having said all that, I prefer the looks of 
threaded, and all the benefits of threadless really don't add up to much.

Jack

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 10:17:32 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> There's a big difference between fiddling and fretting. I do fretting.
>
> True about reach for quill stems. More weight on the threadless side of 
> the equation. Or perhaps this: I swapped out stems more times with the 
> Matthews *because* it was so easy to do with a threadless system. I 
> recall "putting up" with slightly less than perfect reach on my erstwhile 
> Sam Hill at least partly because I didn't want to fiddle with (sorry, fret 
> about) the stem.
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 10:10 AM 'Tom M' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Did you really type this: "And given my antipathy to fiddling"? 
>> Seriously? I read your posts precisely because they include all kinds of 
>> fiddling (off the top of my head: tire pressure, tire sealant [various 
>> kinds]; custom cassettes, varying the Q-factor, etc.)
>>
>> But to your main point. Even if your bike had a threaded steerer, you 
>> probably would have needed more than one stem, at least in terms of length, 
>> to vary the reach as much as you had. 
>>
>> Tom Milani
>> Alexandria, VA
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 11:58:25 AM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>>>
>>> I just set up my first threadless bike. Late to the game, i know. At 
>>> first i couldnt really believe that the fork comes off when the stem is 
>>> removed, but once i got over that, it does seem somewhat simpler... 
>>> especially if you know about where you want your bars.
>>>
>>> I still think i prefer threaded, for looks and raising/lowering 
>>> capabilities. I wish there were more options for a removable faceplate 
>>> threaded stem though. being able to swap bars that easy is a game changer. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[jack loudon]

John, I've never tried the Allmotions but (like others) have had very good 
luck with Supremes.  First set 700-50's went close to 10,000 mi with no 
flats; I did nothing but add air occasionally. I finally retired them 
because of a sidewall slice that didn't go through, but was nonetheless 
worrying.  The current set of 700-40's have fairly low miles but also no 
flats. Like you, I live in an area with tire wires, glass, and other 
debris.  Some have said the Supreme is dead-feeling, and that be correct, 
depending on the tire it's compared to, but I think they feel fine for a 
substantial belted tire.  However, in acknowledging my biases, I seem to be 
less sensitive than others to (and therefore less smitten by) the supple 
Cadillac ride of Compass and similar tires.

Like you, I've also had compass tires (3 sets so far) and the frequency of 
flats has become unacceptable to me, in spite of their other qualities.  
Also, the tread lasts about half as long as the Supremes, but Compass is a 
completely different tire with a different purpose.   I'm not giving up on 
Compass, but in the future will only get the ones that are tubeless 
compatible, and set them up tubeless.

Jack
Seattle



On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 3:20:33 PM UTC-8, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Thanks Jon,  I had forgotten about those, I'll add the Soma Shikoros to my 
> possibles list.
>
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Re: [RBW] Leo Roadini on Brevet--SFR Del Puerto Canyon 200k ride report

[jack loudon]

Bill: "Thanks for that, Jock. Like you, I have no idea what 'planing' is."
Thanks to both Jock and Bill for validating that I'm not totally deficient 
(or at least not alone) because I also don't understand planing, after well 
over 100,000 miles of riding. 

Bill, thanks for the great ride report.  You are an inspiration to many of 
us.

Jock, I used to own a beautiful orange Ebusu All-Purpose but I impulsively 
gave it to my then-son-in-law as a wedding present.  The marriage lasted 
about a year and I haven't seen the bike since.  I hope he or somebody is 
enjoying it.  Ebisu's have an understated elegance I haven't seen in many 
bikes.

Jack
Seattle



On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 6:38:26 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Thanks for that, Jock. Like you, I have no idea what 'planing' is. I've 
> admired your orange Ebisu several times. What color is your new one?
>
> Bill
>
> On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 6:14:30 AM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Bill, et. al.:
>>
>> Quoting BL: "I get it that ML (LGF) for years dwelled on flexy tubing 
>> bikes, presumably from reading Jan Heine stuff.  Jan Heine knows that the 
>> weight of the bike doesn't matter.  Jan Heine prefers the feel of a flexier 
>> bike, but acknowledges that is an extremely nuanced, very subtle feeling. "
>>
>> We all love BQ for those tires and so many other things, too. But Mr. BQ 
>> once wrote a couple years ago when someone asked why his Mafac levers were 
>> missing the tiny thin rubber strips on top. The reply was 'to save weight.'
>>
>> That one had me questioning the whole endeavor honestly. 
>>
>> I just had Hiroshi built me another EBISU frame. A 'Road' this time. In 
>> our quite extensive communications he asked about tubing. I told him I 
>> weigh 135 wringing wet and that I could probably get by with really light. 
>> Frame is 58 cm (c-to-c). He asked about OS as opposed to 28.6 throughout. I 
>> told him he's the expert, you decide.
>>
>> He said OK, 'I use 8-5-8 downtube then'. I said fine, my EBISU All 
>> Purpose is 8-5-8 and it's light, fast, smooth as can be. I'm not privy to 
>> his reasoning for that. I tend to keep my bicycles for the duration, but 
>> maybe has to do with what happens passing it along to someone big and 
>> beefy, I dunno.
>>
>> I do know this, however. My lastest EBISU replaces the bike attached. I 
>> called it my MYSTERY bike, just to fool myself mostly. It was a SOMA 
>> Stanyan, a good looking bike with SS lugs, fork crown, Taiwan Tange 
>> Prestige but rather heavy I suppose. The very best bits, however. Wheels, 
>> bars & stem, crankset, seatpost, etc. And whaddya know, turned out to be 
>> maybe my favorite rider. Even though heavier and with much less provenance 
>> than my other bikes, it always felt fast fast fast to me and always made me 
>> want to push hard, the good kind of push. It just felt like it wanted to 
>> go. I admit, after spending 50 years on the bike, and most of them on 
>> really nice machines, I still don't really know what 'planing' is. And for 
>> sure don't really care either. At my age, I can't see those angels dancing 
>> on the pinhead anymore, and I've concluded that it doesn't matter anyway. 
>>
>> Of course, to each his own. There is no single solution to any of these 
>> positions.
>>
>> So I look forward to building the new one and will post some pix when I 
>> complete it. Must be EBISU Time on the good ol' BOBList!
>>
>> BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>
>> On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 11:48:23 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The poster previously known as Michael Levan, now known as Lum Gim Fong 
>>> asked "Why not?" swap out my Leo Roadini for a different bike made of 6/4/6 
>>> tubing.  He said I can have the fit and handling of a Leo Roadini, so I 
>>> assume he means that he is recommending that I order a Custom Rivendell 
>>> made with Leo Roadini geometry but with lighter, flexier tubing.  Assuming 
>>> that is what he is recommending, then the list of Why Nots would include:
>>>
>>> 1. The Leo Roadini was $900, and a Rivendell Custom is $3500
>>> 2. A frame that weighs one pound less would make me plus my bike weigh 
>>> 0.5% less.  I would be 0.5% faster on climbs, exactly the same speed on 
>>> flats, and very slightly slower on descents.. In order to measure these 
>>> things, I would have to do a detailed statistical analysis of Strava data.  
>>> In other words, I would not look for it ,and not looking for it would mean 
>>> I would not find it.  
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