Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Jim Bronson]

Disagree, I much prefer 38mm over 32mm for rural road riding.  I ran Grand
Bois 700x30 (really 32 on the calipers) before converting to 650Bx38.  Then
again I live in the land of low quality chip seal with basically tar over
huge rocks, so there is that.

Jim
Austin, TX MSA

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 3:26 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Yep, according to that Riv chart, up to 38mm.  But I don't recommend going
> there because they will increase your SOH.  And you don't really need any
> tires of that size anyway if you have a road bike that you're going to be
> riding on paved roads - 32mm or so would be good enough.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus
>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should
>> have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's of
>> 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is better"
>> on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame
>>> sizing. Here's the geometry:
>>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>>>
>>> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus.
>>> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a
>>> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd
>>> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>>>
>>>> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>>>>
>>>> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover
>>>> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
>>>> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>>>>
>>>> cheers -mathias
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all
>>>>> depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from 
>>>>> (shipped
>>>>> or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot -
>>>>> there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost
>>>>> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give
>>>>> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best winds!
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early
>>>>>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being
>>>>>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road
>>>>>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B
>>>>>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73
>>>>>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done
>>>>>> this way as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>> Austin, TX burbs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a
>>>>>>> Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know
>>>>>>> that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea
>>>>>>> what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one 
>>>>>>> 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Jim Bronson]

A Romulus sounds fantastic if it fits you and you like the way it rides.

I came across someone riding a Romulus on Bike Tour of Colorado a while
back when I rode the event.  That was a 450ish mile event over 7 days with
umpteen tens of thousands of feet of climbing and many passes over 10,000
feet with fast downhills.  Even back then in the mid-late 00s us Riv riders
stood out from the sea of crabon fibre.  I think there were 5 of us on
Rivs, IIRC.

Jim
Austin, TX

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 2:32 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
> 
> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early
> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being
> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road
> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B
> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73
> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done
> this way as well.
>
> Jim
> Austin, TX burbs
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be
>> ideal.
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before.
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take
>> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem
>> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me.
>> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in
>> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a
>> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the
>> youngest and probably the most fit.
>>
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Jim Bronson]

Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early
Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being
versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road
Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B
converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73
reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done
this way as well.

Jim
Austin, TX burbs

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be
> ideal.
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before.
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take
> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem
> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me.
> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in
> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a
> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the
> youngest and probably the most fit.
>
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] It finally happened re: Clem stock tires

[Jim Bronson]

It is the Kenda QwickNine.  The beauty of these tires is that they don't
get flats in normal usage.

I have other bikes that I run ReneHerse tires on.  But for what I use Clem
for, which is mixed terrain riding and commuting, they're great.  And
they're very forgiving about air pressure.  They ride fine down to about
20psi, but you can inflate them to 50psi, or anything inbetween.  Or even
more if you like but the ride is more bumpy.

Other bikes:  fill to whatever pressure causes the most optimal sidewall
deflection of 15% plus or minus 3 psi depending on usage and the alignment
of the stars, the planet's gravitational pull and canine flatulence along
my route of travel.

Clem:  Tires have air?  Ok, let's ride.

Jim
ATX

On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 2:21 PM Eric Daume  wrote:

> I absolutely hated the stock tires on the Clem (Kenda Kwik Nines at the
> time). Maybe the worst feeling tire I’ve ever experienced. I can’t imagine
> six years on those things!
>
> Eric
>
> On Wednesday, November 8, 2023, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
>> Well after 6 years of owning my Clem and riding it at least 1x weekly,
>> usually 4-5x weekly, I got a flat.
>>
>> I was doing my normal 3 mode commute, by car to the train station, by
>> train into town and by bike from the train station to the office.  Well I
>> rode my bike from the car to the train and was goofing off a bit and I
>> thought it was a seamless transition from the grass to the sidewalk in the
>> pre dawn light, well, it was actually a large sharp edge that was about
>> 4-5" higher than the grass.  Thankfully didn't go down, the front wheel
>> rolled over it but I'm guessing I either got a pinch or just exploded the
>> tube internally.
>>
>> I hung the bike up on the train and got out my laptop and did normal work
>> laptop stuff while riding the 40 minutes down to the office.  Well when I
>> stood up to unrack my Clem the front tire was flat.  Well I've never had a
>> flat on Clem before and although I had a spare tube, I did not have a pump
>> or other method of inflation.  So I hike a bike'd the 2.5 miles to the
>> office.
>>
>> I was able to buy a Schwalbe tube at the e-Bike store across the street,
>> albeit for a princely $18 for a SV19.  It's been holding air ever since, so
>> hopefully it will be another 6 years before I have another flat.
>>
>> Gratuitous bike pic:  Clem on the train on a different day.
>>
>> Jim
>> ATX
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[RBW] Clem: Fleecer Ridge vs Antelope Hill?

[Jim Bronson]

Anyone tried either one of these tires on their Clem?  I know Rene Herse
tires are a bit high zoot.  Any feedback out there?  The goal is something
that rolls easily on the street, but, can mix it up in the gravel as well.

Also open to other suggestions.

Jim
Austin MSA, TX

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Re: [RBW] Deer-bike collision

[Jim Bronson]

Those are some funny looking deer you have down there.

Jim
Austin, TX

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 11:12 PM Nick Payne  wrote:

> Here it's the kangaroos you have to worry about:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC0UF-hDKGw.
>
> Whenever I see a kangaroo anywhere near while out riding - I usually see
> them several times a week - I go absolutely dead slow until I'm sure the
> kangaroo is a reasonable distance away and heading in the other direction.
> Several of my friends have been taken out by kangaroos or wallabies while
> out riding. They (the animals, that is) are pretty erratic, and can turn
> very sharply - the engineers from Volvo in charge of their animal collision
> avoidance system spent quite a while at the local Tidbinbilla Nature
> Reserve a few years ago analysing kangaroos, but AFAIK they have not
> managed to adapt their software that works with moose, cows, etc to
> successfully cope with kangaroos:
> https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/engineers-testing-volvo-s-driverless-technology-have-hit-a-problem-kangaroos/
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[RBW] Thanksgiving Morning Clem crash

[Jim Bronson]

Hi folks,

Well we had a warm rainy Thanksgiving morning here in the greater Austin
area.  I thought it might be a good thing to go ride around for an hour or
so to try to burn a few calories before consuming several thousand and of
course as always for enjoyment.   Being a native (Western) Oregonian the
rain is rarely a problem for me so off I went.

Well my ride came to an unfortunate end after about 5 miles exiting a
traffic circle.  I was taking a right to exit when the bike went right out
from under me as fast as I can ever remember one doing so.  I never jerked
the handlebars or anything, it was just the same smooth steady motion that
I have used 20 or 30 times before on this same traffic circle.  But this
time I was down on the ground in a flash.

Being that my Clem is in stock configuration and is a 65, I had a fair
distance to fall.  Unfortunately I broke my fibia and the fracture extends
to the bottom of my knee joint.  I won't be needing surgery but I cannot
put any weight on it for 6 weeks minimum.  We'll see what the orthopedic
surgeon says after that.

The net effect of all this is that I'm thinking of putting drops on my Clem
when I get back to riding again.  I know it isn't how Grant intended it,
but the extremely upright position of the Clem now has me thinking maybe
it's not so good to be so high in the air if I have another fall at some
point.  I know this is driven by fear, but, I've often thought of "dropping
my Clem" in the past and this may just be the push I need in order to do it.

I know this is the opposite of what people in their 50s are usually doing
but I am very comfortable riding drops and many days I will take my 650B
converted Road Standard for just that reason.  on this particular day I
took the Clem because I didn't want some rain-loosened sharp rock to
puncture the somewhat fragile Compass tires on my Road Standard.

So anyway.
Prove me wrong!
Drops for Clem 2022!

-Jim
austin suburbs, tx

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Jim Bronson]

I ride my Rivendells for almost everything, but I'm not going to lock them
up outside a grocery store or a bar.  Or an outdoor music festival, like
Austin City Limits with 75,000 people.  I have my beater for those things.

The Rivs get 99% of all the riding I do.  They get rode hard and put away
wet.  Grant needent fret.

Jim
Austin suburbs, TX

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> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable to
> me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In sum,
> Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes
> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those
> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will
> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs
> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was
> the bike for?
>
> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 favorite
> bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I bought it
> to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do guard it from
> that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping and traveling
> with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and then I still am
> tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike Expo I dithered
> about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy damaged while
> locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta said, “I don’t
> think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will expect you to
> bring.” And she was right, and I did.
>
> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike
> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust
> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the
> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it.
> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was
> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But
> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes
> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to
> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has
> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that
> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it
> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said
> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among
> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell
> off a cliff.
>
> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care and
> protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of life
> - the mundane and the adventurous?
>
> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell
> out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we
> have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it
> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>
> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding *most*
> of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and dirt, so
> it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip in the
> paint would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me.
>
> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? What
> strategies do you employ? Do you want to change? Or are you
> unapologetically staying put on the matter? It might be fun to hear
> perspectives.
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking Advice - Shimano 9 Speed Downtube Shifters

[Jim Bronson]

The Microshifts are not just cheaper than Dura-Ace, they're cheaper than
anything Shimano.  They're also more sweat resistant than anything Shimano,
I have a history of gumming up Shimano bar-ends.  Never had this problem
with the Microshifts.  I've had them on my Custom for 8 years and will put
them on my Redwood if I ever ride it enough to wear out or gum up the 9
speed 105s that are on there.
Jim
austin suburbs, tx

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 8:20 PM Mr. Ray  wrote:

> I was not able to locate 9 spd Shimano DS so I bought Microshift 9 spd DS
> instead.  Like you, I only require index shifting and having used them for
> over 3000 miles, the Microshift have worked very very well.  They are also
> cheaper than Dura Ace.
>
> https://www.microshift.com/models/sl-d09/
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 7:34:43 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Greetings -
>>
>> About 18 months ago, my house was burglarized. Among the items stolen was
>> my Rivendell custom. I am now trying to replace the custom. The frame is
>> now at Joe Bell's waiting for paint.
>>
>> I have been trying to find Shimano 9 speed downtube shift levers for a
>> while. I missed out on a couple huge batches offered on EBay. I have seen
>> three options recently:
>>
>> 1) A set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube levers mated to Paul thumbies on
>> EBay for 150 GBP. This seems like a potential win. Buy the levers (possibly
>> at something below the asking price), sell the Paul Thumbies and come out
>> with a considerable savings.
>>
>> 2) There is a set of Dura Ace 9 speed downtube shifters in Albuquerque
>> for sale at $160. The shop will only deliver locally. I am willing to pay
>> someone local to the shop to facilitate delivery and send the shifters to
>> me.
>>
>> 3) Use Dura Ace 7900 10 speed downtube shifters in place of the 7700 9
>> speed. According to Sheldon (AASHTA), Dura Ace 10 speed will shift 9 speed
>> fine.
>>
>> A few criteria of interest ... I already have a set of Shimano 9 speed
>> bar ends slated for another bike. Not interested in putting them on the
>> custom. I do indexed only, and I don't do brifters. I have several
>> wheelsets with 9 speed cassettes and associated [rapid rise] derailers for
>> the custom and on other bikes.
>>
>> I am concerned about the following: Will the Paul Thumbie/Shimano
>> downtube lever combo have sufficient parts for install as downtube levers
>> on the custom? Will the thumbie combo have sufficient parts to be able to
>> sell to someone who wants Paul Thumbies? Will the 10 speed levers throw the
>> chain off the smallest cog (given I am using rapid rise with a 9 speed
>> cassette)?
>>
>> Which is the best option? The 10 speed downtube levers appear to be
>> available for approximately $80 sans tax and shipping.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your opinions, advice, etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
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Re: [RBW] Do Roadinis ride tall?

[Jim Bronson]

I'm 6'7", see my prior post, the position of the bike relative to the
ground does make a difference ;)

Jim from Oregon who lives in the Austin suburbs of Texas for a long time
now.

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 5:32 PM Karl Wilcox  wrote:

> I am 6’6” tall, so I ride ‘tall’ no matter what.  I ride a 61cm Roadini,
> but do not find that it rides taller than my other frames (I have a 69cm
> Mercian frame, for example).  But, I also ride with my bars about 1 inch
> below saddle height.  If you lowered your bars, the feeling of riding tall
> would probably change.
>
> On Saturday, September 10, 2022, Piaw Na  wrote:
>
>> I recently acquired a Roadini, and I've been puzzling over the way it
>> rides. It feels a lot taller than my custom touring bike, which was itself
>> based on a 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 geometry with longer chainstays (43cm) and
>> a 80mm BB drop. The Roadini has a 75mm BB drop, and I've got 28mm tires on
>> the Roadini vs 25mm on my touring bike, so in theory, that's only an 8mm
>> difference in BB height. But when I ride the Roadini it feels a lot taller
>> than that! Strangely enough, that doesn't affect handling on climbs or on
>> gravel, but on descents it makes me slow down quite a bit in comparison
>> with my custom bike. Did anyone experience anything similar?
>>
>> I've attached my frame geometry, and the Roadini 54cm geometry is here:
>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-540-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416
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Re: [RBW] Do Roadinis ride tall?

[Jim Bronson]

My Custom or Road Standard (not sure which) rides a lot lower than my Clem
Smith, because, well, it is.  It's a bike that came standard with narrowish
tires by todays Riv standards and has 80mm BB drop.  Then I went and
converted it to 650B x38.  It's really low.  Like never pedal through a
corner low.  If I look down, the pedal seems alarmingly close to the
ground.  But I love the way the bike handles this way, it feels so planted,
but yet you can easily redirect it in a fast corner.  So I just don't look
down at my pedal relative to the tarmac, and all is well.

The Clem on the other hand has not only less BB drop to begin with, but
also 29x2.1 tires on it.  Plus the riding position is extremely upright.
Pretty much night and day between the two.  I have to duck quite a bit for
the trees on the sidewalk between the two halves of my neighborhood (which
don't connect by road, so nice).

My Redwood, which is shod with 700Cx38 tires and more or less in a
stock configuration, falls somewhere in the middle.

Random musings brought to you by,
Jim
Austin suburbs, TX

On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 9:57 AM Piaw Na  wrote:

> I recently acquired a Roadini, and I've been puzzling over the way it
> rides. It feels a lot taller than my custom touring bike, which was itself
> based on a 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 geometry with longer chainstays (43cm) and
> a 80mm BB drop. The Roadini has a 75mm BB drop, and I've got 28mm tires on
> the Roadini vs 25mm on my touring bike, so in theory, that's only an 8mm
> difference in BB height. But when I ride the Roadini it feels a lot taller
> than that! Strangely enough, that doesn't affect handling on climbs or on
> gravel, but on descents it makes me slow down quite a bit in comparison
> with my custom bike. Did anyone experience anything similar?
>
> I've attached my frame geometry, and the Roadini 54cm geometry is here:
> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-540-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416
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Re: [RBW] Bosco vs. Boscomoose

[Jim Bronson]

Tosco, Bosco, Fosco, Roscoe, Moscow, Tabasco...?

I like cheez.

Jim
Austin suburbs, TX



On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 4:11 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> Or, when to leave well enough alone? I recently traded my 650 wide Tosco
> for a 550 wide Bosco. This worked to let me achieve a higher bar without
> exposing more stem & even gave me the flexibility of lowering the stem a
> smidge. The narrower width gave me a more natural feeling wrist angle and
> overall felt much more comfortable without loosing any control. I liked it
> so much that it really made me want to try a Boscomoose.
> I am really interested in any others thoughts who may have compared the
> Bosco & Boscomoose. My observations; even though the "extension" of the
> 'moose is 120mm vs. my Faceplater's 135mm, there is in reality only 5mm
> difference. This I assume is due to the upward angle of the Faceplater
> extension - effectively shortening it. In any event the reach to the bar
> ends is quite different. With the exact 120mm of exposed stem the bar ends
> of the 'moose are nearly 2" higher than the Bosco! This I presume is mostly
> due to the more horizontal & fixed angle nature of the grip areas - they do
> not tilt down very much.
> I will probably play with these a bit more but unless I stumble on to some
> adjustment magic I will be returning to the Bosco / Faceplater combo. I had
> really high hopes for the Boscomoose because it just looks so cool.
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Re: [RBW] Silver2 shifter apparently shift 12 speeds fine, even with SRAM rd

[Jim Bronson]

I guess my reaction to this would be "why would it not work".  It's a
friction shift lever.

So long as the limit screws on the rear derailleur are set correctly, and
the lever has sufficient travel to sweep the entire distance between the
high stop and the low stop when connected to the cable, there's no reason
it wouldn't work.

I suppose you could also talk about cable pull ratios and maybe there's a
situation under which a friction shift lever didn't have enough travel
because of multiplication or division of travel, but it still goes back to
the same question, is there enough travel when the thing is connected to a
cable, so more or less a yes or no question.

Jim
Austin suburbs, TX

On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 5:41 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2022/07/08/index-this/#more-11189
>
> I'm only up to 10, and that with an 8-sp-era road rd and Barcons, but this
> is heartening news.
>
> I'm tempted to try my Barcons with a 12-sp road cassette, tho' I'd have to
> swap out the DA 7401 rd for an 8-sp XT rd, I guess to handle a big-enough
> granny cog to make it all worthwhile. Actually, I should proceed gently,
> and simply go to 11 first.
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Re: [RBW] Old Bike New Day

[Jim Bronson]

The elevation is 436 chains?

Jim
austin suburbs, tx

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 9:50 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> I actually had my phone with me today on a ride, so I stopped at the apex
> of a local hill to take a photo, a Roadeo in the wild with late spring
> vegetation.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jim 7-Speed Cassettes

[Jim Bronson]

The earlier version of the Alivio 4000 was rated for 36 and it worked quite
well.  I still have it lying around the garage somewhere.  It just doesn't
fit my shiny silver aesthetic.

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 6:55 PM TP H  wrote:

> Scott, the capacity math works out but it looks like the specs for that
> rear derailer list a max sprocket of 34t (
> https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/alivio-t4000/RD-T4000.html).
> It may still work outright (specs are conservative) but, if not, one of the
> links/tabs (e.g., WolfTooth road or goat link) to drop the derailer down
> will likely make it all work out.
>
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 11:02:14 AM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Was hoping for some advice... on my Sam, I'm interested in the Jim 7s
>> 13-42, with a 40 x 24 upfront, and Silver shifters in friction. The big
>> question I have is rear derailer choice, would the Shimano Alivio T4000
>> make sense? it's rated as a 9-speed with a total capacity of 45T.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>>
>> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:03:09 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Nerding-out on gearing:
>>>
>>> The % changes on the S-ride 13-34 are 14%, 18%, 15%, 13%, 15%, 19%.
>>> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 5% (13% to 18%)
>>>
>>> The % changes on the Shimano 13-34 are 14%, 13%, 16%, 18%, 19%, 16%.
>>> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 6% (13% to 19%)
>>>
>>> I thing the S ride is better, but this is much ado about nothing.
>>> I personally think the biggest jump should always be on the biggest
>>> (lowest) gear as is the case with the Riv S-ride. I don't need two bailout
>>> gears.
>>>
>>> I still ride freewheels on some bikes - My Rivendell sourced Shimano 7
>>> speed freewheel on my 1x Riv commuter is 14-16-18-20-22-24-34 for 13%, 12%,
>>> 11%, 10%, 9%, 34%. -maximum delta % in lower 6 is 4% (9% to 13%) I think
>>> this about ideal, could have maybe substituted a 25 for the 24, but again -
>>> much ado about nothing.
>>>
>>> My NOS Suntour Winner 7 is 12-14-16-18-21-24-30 for 15%, 13%, 12%, 15%,
>>> 13%, 22%. maximum delta % in lower 6 is 3% (12% to 15%), It is going on my
>>> Bombadil with a triple crank.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:17:20 AM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
 I agree with Garth about the poor gear progressions on the 13-34 Jim.
  The Shimano HG-50-K 13-134 is
 13-15-17-20-24-29-34
 which IMHO is much better, it avoids the 15-18 problem and has
 2-3-4-5-5 spacing above 15 vs the Jim's  3-3-3-4-6 spacing.   I used the
 HG-50-K on my 88 Voyageur and gives very good spacing.   IRD also sold the
 same copy of a HG-50-K for about $30 2 years ago.  I do not see it in the
 IRD store now.  Maybe they changed suppliers.

 The 13-42 is also poor do to the 13-16 jump leaving NO 2 step drop for
 the high gears.  My 1975 Shimano 14-32 5 speed had a 14-17 jump and was
 always frustrating on level terrain finding a good high cog.  The 13-15
 solves that.

 In all, why does anyone want to go from 9 speed to 7 speed???   I can
 see them saying here is a supply of 7 speed for folks with 126 OLD rears,
 but if you have a 130 OLD rear just use the 9 speeds out there.  They have
 better progression.

 I think RBW is pitching folks a lemon with these as saying convert from
 9 to 7 speeds.

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ
 On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:30:36 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> I had some bit of hope that these would use an consistent gear
> progression of 15-17-20-24 on the 13-34, but no . S-Works does the
> overly big 15-18 jump along with the 18-21-24 which is unnecessarily 
> close.
> I often wonder of anyone who designs these actually rides it. IRD does 
> some
> weird cog progression with some of their offerings as well.
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 5:00:50 PM UTC-4 hinton...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> In 2022, pretty cool to see 7-speed cassettes sell out in less than
>> 12 hours. But, if you missed out, this is a PSA that Soma has them in 
>> stock
>> still, though they don’t include the spacers like Riv did.
>>
>> 13-34:
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590906-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-34t-cs-m200-6765?category=735
>>
>> 13-42:
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590907-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-42t-cs-e500-6766?category=735
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Re: [RBW] Clem chain/fender interference

[Jim Bronson]

Ok, so it sounds like my instinct to use the Dremel to trim it back is what
everyone else is doing.

Thanks.

Jim
Leander, TX

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 8:58 AM iamkeith  wrote:

>
> I used a milling bit in a dremel tool.  This is the best pic I can find,
> but hopefully helps.  Just took a moment, didn't affect rigidity/integrity
> of fender at all, and was able to locate it precisely as needed.
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 6:01:06 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> +1. It's not hard to do. In fact, some wide Planet Bike and SKS fenders
>> come pre-cut.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 11:40 AM Jay Lonner  wrote:
>>
>>> From the Riv website for SKS fenders:
>>>
>>> Most of the time these fenders fit without modification, but sometimes
>>> the fit is imperfect and they need home-surgery to clear a front derailer
>>> or chainstay or seatstay. Use side-cutters or snips of some sort to cut
>>> away the interferering plastic, then dremel or hand file the rough edge
>>> smooth. Add tough tape to cover it or leave it raw.
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>
>>> On Apr 2, 2022, at 9:40 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> One of my big regrets of my Clem is not paying Riv the $40 or $50 they
>>> wanted to install the fenders.  Instead, they just arrived in the box.
>>> After a particularly cold rainy ride a couple of years ago, I finally
>>> installed them.
>>>
>>> Now it seems I cannot adjust out the tendency of the chain to rub the
>>> fender.  They've always rubbed when I use the 34 in the back and the next
>>> lowest gear as well.  After the bike's only trip ever to the shop this
>>> month to diagnose a dragging freehub which has since been replaced, the
>>> chain is rubbing worse than ever in the lower gears, and the front small
>>> ring is about impossible.
>>>
>>> I'm feeling like I want to take my Dremel to the fender and trim back a
>>> quarter inch or so.
>>>
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[RBW] Clem chain/fender interference

[Jim Bronson]

One of my big regrets of my Clem is not paying Riv the $40 or $50 they
wanted to install the fenders.  Instead, they just arrived in the box.
After a particularly cold rainy ride a couple of years ago, I finally
installed them.

Now it seems I cannot adjust out the tendency of the chain to rub the
fender.  They've always rubbed when I use the 34 in the back and the next
lowest gear as well.  After the bike's only trip ever to the shop this
month to diagnose a dragging freehub which has since been replaced, the
chain is rubbing worse than ever in the lower gears, and the front small
ring is about impossible.

I'm feeling like I want to take my Dremel to the fender and trim back a
quarter inch or so.

How does Riv install these fenders?  Surely they don't send them out with
this kind of interference.

signed,
Noisy Clem Owner

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Jim Bronson]

wow that 68 Rambouillet for $600.  Unfortunately N+1 would probably equal
S-1 for me so I'm not going to pull the trigger on it.

Jim
Leander, TX

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 12:44 PM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quickbeam: 62cm
> 1800
> Jersey Shore, NJ
>
> https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/bik/d/allenhurst-rivendell-quickbeam/7459831181.html
>
>
> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS: 62cm
> 1600
> Stroudsburg, PA
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/255444602628
>
> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS: 48cm
> 659 / 1500 reserve
> Long Beach, CA
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/294884353828
>
> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS: 58cm
> 1300
> Oakland, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-sam-hillborne-58-cm/7458838156.html
>
>
> A. Homer Hilsen F/F/HS: 58cm
> 1700
> Los Angeles, CA
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/294890909002
>
> A. Homer Hilsen: 59cm
> 2785
> San Clemente, CA
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/175163962992
>
> A. Homer Hilsen: 59cm
> 2800
> West Los Angeles, CA
>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/d/los-angeles-rivendell-bicycle-works/7455804710.html
>
>
> Road Standard F/F: 54cm
> 1999
> Louisville, KY
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/194937971001
>
> Romulus: 57cm
> 2250
> Thousand Oaks, CA
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1004533483793238
>
>
> Rambouillet: 60cm
> 1400
> Kalamazoo, MI
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/379471227101586
>
> Rambouillet: 68cm
> 600
> Nashville, TN
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/496533448593477
>
>
> Frank Jones Sr.: 57cm
> 2200
> Portland, OR
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/185245621839
>
>
> Bleriot: 61cm
> 2300
> Atlanta, GA
>
> https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/bik/d/decatur-rivendell-bleriot-650b/7461829652.html
>
>
> Clem Smith Jr. L: 59cm
> 2000
> Indianapolis, IN
>
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bik/d/indianapolis-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7453916725.html
>
> Clem Smith Jr. L: 59cm
> 2500
> Iowa City, IA
>
> https://iowacity.craigslist.org/bik/d/iowa-city-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-59cm/7464257188.html
>
> Clem Smith Jr. L F/F/HS: 64cm
> 999
> Annandale, VA
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/346785007277297
>
> Clem Smith Jr. Clementine: 45cm
> 2000
> Brentwood, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/knightsen-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7464241455.html
>
> Clem Smith Jr.: 52cm
> 2000
> SFBA, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/dearing-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7464241042.html
>
> Clem Smith Jr.: 60cm
> 2400
> Livermore, CA
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/633243111274221
>
>
> Platypus: 60cm
> 2100
> Phoenix, AZ
>
> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/bik/d/san-tan-valley-rivendell-lugged-bicycle/7454753122.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cool Tools for Home Wrenchers

[Jim Bronson]

But what if you install ARP head studs in that same domestic V8, in the
interest of more uniform and greater clamping performance?  Then what is it
called?

;)

Jim
Leander, TX

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 8:19 AM lconley  wrote:

> There is no physical difference between a machine screw and a bolt. How
> they are used determines what they are called. If it is fastened with a
> nut, it is a bolt. If it is threaded into something else (like a casting),
> it is a machine screw. Take a machine screw out of a casting and put a nut
> on it and presto change-o, the machine screw magically transforms into a
> bolt. Thus, what are commonly called "head bolts" by millions of people
> working on American V-8s are actually "head machine screws."  The B-screw
> is accurately named because it is not fastened with a bolt.
>
> Laing Conley
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 6:08:41 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> Um, machine screws tend to be fastened with a screwdriver, while bolts
>> tend to have a nut and be fastened with a wrench.
>> This leaves open what to call a fastener that uses an allen wrench - most
>> common is capscrew, but bolt is also used.
>>
>> Real quick JIS explanation from a motorcycle guy:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpqUhIZ-EJo
>>
>> The VESSEL JIS +2 screwdriver is $10 from Amazon.
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TG8OTY/
>>
>> When I discovered JIS and bought a JIS +2 screwdriver, adjusting
>> derailleurs and B-screws became a WHOLE lot easier.
>> And, yes, there’s a dot on their heads - you just have to look close for
>> it.
>>
>> aero (mechanical engineer) perf
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Re: [RBW] FS: microSHIFT rear derailleurs

[Jim Bronson]

PSA on the R10:

In case anyone ever wondered, I have an R10 also and even though it's rated
for 28T max it shifts an 11-32 no problem.  At least on my Riv which is
44-28 in the front.

-Jim
Leander, TX

On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 7:32 AM lconley  wrote:

> Used RD M55, will shift a 34 tooth no problem, came on my Rivendell
> Mystery Bike. Very good to excellent condition. Unique looking - silver and
> black. $35 Shipped CONUS OBO.
> [image: Microshift MDs.jpg]
>
> New, in box R10, RD-R47 road derailleur, see info on box - long cage road
> derailleur for use with wide double or triple front derailleur. Never used.
> All silver. $30 shipped CONUS or OBO.
>
> [image: Microshift RDs.jpg]
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> Delray Beach FL
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Re: [RBW] Roadini 650b conversion

[Jim Bronson]

Interesting thread.   My 90s Road is converted to 650Bx38 and I would not
want to trade the 38s for 32s.  But on the other hand there was not
clearance for fenders with any 700c tire with the short reach brake,  so it
was either convert or get a different bike since fenders are a requirement
for me.

I am using the Tektro 55-73 brakes and the stopping power is not great, but
I've gotten used to it.   A pad upgrade would probably help.

The bottom bracket is indeed very low,  solution is not pedaling through
corners.  I do scrape every once in a while when I resume pedaling too
soon, which happened most recently a few days ago while turning around in a
cul-de-sac.  Overall,  it's a compromise I'm willing to live with. I like
the bike the way it is and would not go back.

Jim
Leander,  TX



On Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 15:51 Kushan  wrote:

> Hey all - I wanted to post an update here for someone who might be trying
> the same thing in future.
>
> 650b wheels with long reach (Tektro R559) wheels on a Roadini is
> definitely a no-go. Note that this only applies to larger size Roadinis
> that were designed for 700c wheels and mid-reach.
>
> I have decided to just keep mine for now. Based on pictures from other RBW
> owners on this forums (Special thanks to Bones!), I got inspired to just
> keep it with a few changes. I changed the tires to 33mm Soma Shikoro (which
> were really difficult to source) and outfitted them with SKS fenders that I
> had in my parts bin. For now, I have kept the mid-reach Shimano caliper
> brakes (which fit with the fenders well). Depending on braking power I
> experience in the wetter weather, I might consider either changing to the
> Koo-Stop Salmon pads or changing to stiffer center-pull (center-bolt
> mounted) brakes.
>
> Here is the picture of the final look. I am quite pleased with how the
> bike looks with brown walled tires and the silver fenders and kind of
> slapping my head over why I didn't do this before.
>
> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 9:33:38 AM UTC-8 Paul C. Brodek wrote:
>
>> TL;DR:
>> 1. You kinda can't be sure unless you try it.
>> 2. Google "650b 700c conversion" for hours of reading/listening pleasure.
>> 3. 19mm is your magic number; 584/650b rim center will sit 19mm lower
>> than 622/700c. If your current reach is 57-59mm, you'll need ~80mm for
>> 650b. That's long.
>> 4. There are cheap/flexy sidepulls and pricier/stiffer sidepulls. Best
>> IMHO are Paul Racers, which are $$$, and 73mm max drop.
>> 5. There are better/crappier brake shoes; Grant's current favorites are
>> KoolStop gray E-pads.
>> 6. Eric isn't wrong, but folks have been riding longer-reach brakes in
>> wet weather for decades without asploding. See #1 above.
>> 7. If a Roadini 650b conversion won't work for you, it's either ride
>> narrower 700c tires or get a new frame. The correct answer is almost always
>> get an additional frame/bike.
>>
>> Maybe I don't need much add'l verbiage/blather? I haven't done your
>> particular conversion, but I had my 650b conversion jollies a decade or
>> more back, and for me it seldom seemed worth the trouble. Biggest issue for
>> me was usually the post-conversion 650b bb being too low, with resultant
>> pedal strikes.  Where it worked best was if I started out with a fairly
>> high bb/shallow drop, and if the pre-conv brake drop was shallow it was
>> aces. I don't remember numbers exactly, but my synapses kinda recall a bb
>> drop deeper than 70mm already being problematic.
>>
>> My only current/remaining 650b conversions are a '71 Raleigh Team Pro
>> with 584/34mm,  with a drop of only 53mm, and a thoroughly modern (for me)
>> 2016 Wraith Paycheck at 584/48mm, with stupid-wide clearances,
>> designed/built to be 700c/650b convertible. Neither of those bikes are
>> fendered. Your Roadini doesn't fit either of those slots.
>>
>> Paul Brodek
>> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>>
>> [image: 50441879817_59c6b9cc84_c(1).jpg]
>> [image: 50439494628_6c016d82b9_c(1).jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 2:17:09 PM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks all for your thoughts so far. This is shaping up to be a more
>>> complicated change than I thought (but then again, aren't all bike changes
>>> are?) ...
>>>
>>> Joe - I like your suggestion of using centerpulls. I actually thought
>>> that center pull required dedicated braze-on on frames but a quick research
>>> indicated that they can be fork crown mounted similar to calipers.
>>>
>>> Eric - The discussion so far is definately dissudaing me but out of
>>> curiousity - does your take on low stopping power with long reach calipers
>>> + wet rims extend to center pull brakes as well? I am wondering if it woul
>>> be better off getting a disc braked bike (e.g. VO Pass Hunter) instead of
>>> mucking around with 650bs on Roadini.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 10:15:12 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 Long reach calipers + wet rims = no noticeable stopping power.  Not
 recommended, even if you can live with a 

Re: [RBW] Re: 50.4 crankset opinions: VeloOrange, SUNXCD, Grand Bois

[Jim Bronson]

Yes,  I'm currently running chainrings without ramps and pins with a 10
speed cassette and indexed shifting in the back.   No issues, or at least,
nothing that's an issue for me.

I don't have the 50.4BCD setup (and would not be interested in acquiring it
as my body requires high Q) as per the topic of this thread,  but just as a
side response to the reply of,  "you can't use regular chainrings with more
than 8 speed.  I have an older a 135BCD Shimano triple that I use with a
bashguard in place of the big ring.  It was shiny silver at one point but
after years of hard use,  decidedly less so.   But anyway...

It doesn't shift as snappy up front as an indexed setup with brifters and
ramps and pins and all that, but I don't really care.  I'm using bar ends
as a proper drop bar equipped Rivendell should.   And I'm not in that much
of a hurry.

Using 44/28 in front and 11-32 in the back,  I find that the need to drop
down to the lower range up front is fairly infrequent anyway.  Usually only
used on brevets where the ride organizer sends the route up some nutty
15-20% grade to test our mettle, I guess.

On Sat, Jun 5, 2021, 07:06 Bill Schairer  wrote:

> I've been running 3x9 with a TA crank and a Stronglight for years without
> any issues.  I also ran 3x10 for a while.  Currently have 47/44/26 TA and
> 50/45/26 Stronglight (with TA rings) and they both shift quite well with no
> ramps and pins.  What are those for?  I think the Stronglight arms *had * a
> better finish than the TA's but I think they are harder to come by.
>
> One and only one supplier and no odd tooth count rings are my biggest
> issues with Rene Herse.  I could probably get over the single supplier and
> cost if they offered odd tooth count.
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
>
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:43:16 PM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Forgot those links:
>>
>>
>> https://specialites-ta.com/pro-5-vis/196-693-pro-5-vis-plateau-specialites-ta-pro-5-vis-exterieur-80mm-8v-specialites-ta-pl50080302.html#/21,denture,40-dts
>>
>>
>> https://specialites-ta.com/pro-5-vis/197-707-pro-5-vis-plateau-specialites-ta-pro-5-vis-interieur-intermediaire-80mm-8v-specialites-ta-pl50080102.html#/9,denture,26-dts
>>
>> I believe Velo Classique in Virginia is the US distributor for
>> Specialites TA. Obviously, there are also UK/European retailers that ship
>> to the US.
>>
>> The one key drawback to 5-pin TA chainrings is that the rings aren't
>> ramped/pinned; you're effectively capped at an 8-speed rear. But really, do
>> you need more than 3x8 gears?
>>
>> Peter Adler
>> specializing in beating dead horses in
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:34:48 PM UTC-7 Peter Adler wrote:
>>
>>> Large selection of chainring sizes? *C'est très humoristique!*
>>>
>>> Specialites TA (still in business; still producing 50.4mm cyclotouriste
>>> chainrings in France, now in 7075 aluminum) make outers (attaches to
>>> crankarm) in all even increments from 40-52T, and inners (attaches to
>>> outers) from 26-42T.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: I think I want drops on my Clem

[Jim Bronson]

Dave,

What kind of derailleur do you have?  Looks nice.

-Jim

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 8:51 AM dave_manze...@yahoo.com <
david.h.manze...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I ran drops using a fairly short stem. I really enjoyed that setup for
> commuting on the paved bike trail
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 12:18:05 AM UTC-5 Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to think of reasons I shouldn't do this but I'm really not
>> coming up with any.   The TT on my 65 Clem is about the same as my more
>> roadie Rivs.  I will want a shorter stem, but that's NBD, 100mm  instead of
>> 140.  I have some 48cm noodles lying around and some 9 speed bar ends.
>> Levers will need to be obtained,  or travel agents.   Cassette will have to
>> be changed from stock 8 speed to 9 for the bar ends I have in the parts
>> bin, have several 9 speed cassettes on hand also.
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[RBW] I think I want drops on my Clem

[Jim Bronson]

I'm trying to think of reasons I shouldn't do this but I'm really not
coming up with any.   The TT on my 65 Clem is about the same as my more
roadie Rivs.  I will want a shorter stem, but that's NBD, 100mm  instead of
140.  I have some 48cm noodles lying around and some 9 speed bar ends.
Levers will need to be obtained,  or travel agents.   Cassette will have to
be changed from stock 8 speed to 9 for the bar ends I have in the parts
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Re: [RBW] Austin Snowpocalypse 2021

[Jim Bronson]

I didn't try my Clem,  maybe tomorrow.   There are only car tracks on about
half of my street here in Leanderthal land, maybe the relatively unspoiled
half would work, worried about the glare ice underneath the snow though.

Stay warm gents, temp has already started to dip here,  17F and falling.

Jim
Leander, TX

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021, 17:38 Mike Packard  wrote:

> We're having some unusual weather in Austin this week. Clem plowed through
> the ~6" of accumulation in the park without too much trouble. No slo-mo
> power slide, sorry, I wasn't brave enough to try that.
>
> Mike
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Re: [RBW] FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Jim Bronson]

As an owner of a Redwood, I liked the description of the Redwood for sale.

"the owner got it from HER brother"

That's one tall woman!

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 6:11 PM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This thread is for Rivendells you've found on eBay, CraigsList, and sites
> beyond: bikes in which you think someone here might be interested. This
> thread isn't for posting ads to your own ad, it's just so people who are
> searching or interested have a place to look, like, "Hey, check this out!"
> Here are a few, from today's searches:
>
> 61cm Roadini
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/283940882590
>
> 58cm Quickbeam
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pinole-rivendell-quickbeam-58/7154380920.html
>
> 52cm Clementine
>
> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/richardson-rivendell-clementine/7130894748.html
>
> 65cm Redwood
>
> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-redwood/7153843392.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres 700 x 30 substitutes?

[Jim Bronson]

Patrick,

I think the quantity of goathorn thorns you encounter in somewhat lowland
New Mexico (meaning, lower than Santa Fe) is somewhat atypical to many
places in the US.

However, running fairly new Pari-Motos on a rainy ACP 600K a few years
back, I once had FIVE flats on the first day, which was roughly 240 miles,
and on the 2nd day of the ride, I had a 6th flat coming right out of the
gate.  Thankfully it dried out shortly thereafter and my last tube held for
the last 120 miles or so.  Had it not, I would have been patching tubes on
the side of the road, which would have been a real problem on the timed
event I was on - the 2nd day was a straight north out and back, and I was
facing a 20+ mph north wind with gusts to 30+ after the cold front
passage.  I arrived at the turnaround control with three minutes to spare.
Another flat would have meant I timed out at the turnaround control.

Thankfully with the stiff tailwind going back to the start, I was able to
finish with almost two hours to spare, we averaged 25-30 mph on the way
back with the wind at our back, expending not very much effort to boot..
Yes, riding my 90s Rivendell Road Standard/Custom (never been sure which)

I switched to Compass LoupLoup the following weekend and with the thicker
on-center tread I've had far less flat even on rainy rides.  Compass tires
are not as flat resistant as say Continental Gatorskins but they represent
a good balance between rolling resistance and flat resistance for my uses.
But the Pari-Motos are just too much.  They ride wonderfully when they do
happen to hold air, but the flat resistance is negligible.

Jim
Austin MSA, TX.



On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 2:22 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I have to laugh. *One* flat every *300* miles? *Three hundred Miles???* *THREE
> HUNDRED MILES?*
>
> When I first mounted original issue PRs on my then-Ram, I got a flat every *5
> (five) (V)* miles, no kidding; I think it was 4 during that first ride;
> yes, I was relatively inured to punctures, took in stride 1 per 20-30
> miles, and carried a battery of remedies including 2 tubes and a full patch
> kit; but 1:5 was a bit much even for me.
>
> Enter, stage left, with drums and canon: *Sealant!* First Stan's, then
> the better (IME) Orange Seal (Endurance for low press tubeless, full-cream
> for tubes). I now ride 175-gram Elk Passes through fields of goatheads,
> laughing scornfully at their feeble agression.
>
> The Challenges are RH EL quality. I am torn between the Challenge
> clinchers and real tubulars for my Libertas build; advise me, O ye wize
> ones.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 5:06:25 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> >
> > Having experienced Challenge open tubulars in the form of Parigi Roubaix
> I have to decry Paul's understatement of the extent of the problem.
>  Literally the worst tires to mount I've ever used.   Fabulous ride, but at
> best when brand new and at full thickness I got 1 flat every 300 miles, and
> it went downhill from there as they wore.  To be fair, after they'd been
> mounted for a couple of weeks, it became easier to get them on and off, but
> the initial experience was suitable for Ripley's Believe it or Not.
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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Hub Recommendations

[Jim Bronson]

I read this older thread with interest.  None of the responses strike me as
more "wrong" as this one, to each their own, but defining usage by how
shiny a widget is seems very, very wrongheaded.

To me, it isn't how nice the bike is that determines what dynamo hub you
put on it.  It's what you're going to do with your bike.

My SonDeluxe widebody is not on my "nicest" bike.  It is on the bike that I
use for Randonneuring rides.  It must perform day and night under all
weather conditions without fail and without worry.  I've been in some
pretty out of the way places with it where help would be many hours away.
I do carry battery backups on any out of the way ride but when I'm
struggling away up the umpteenth roller at way past o'dark thirty trying to
stay hydrated and nourished, I do not want to think about my dynamo hub
under any circumstances.

When I finally get my gumption up to go back to PBP, it will only be with a
SON dynamo hub.

I also own Shimano and SP hubs but they are used for more pedestrian
pursuits.  I haven't had any issues with them.

P.S:  The SON spade connectors are not difficult to use, I'm not sure where
that idea came from, either.  I think they are superior to the Shimano/SP
design because there are no parts to lose.  It's easy to misplace the cap
of the other design.

YMMV.

Jim
Austin MSA, TX



On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 2:47 PM masmojo  wrote:

> Eric, I've put SP Hubs on "Nice" bikes too; I just don't think I'd throw
> down $240+ on a SON hub unless it was a bike that was worthy. SP's are (or
> were) good for those builds where you want something a little nicer than a
> Shimano, but a SON is out of the question. Ideal for a Clem., even a
> Cheviot or a Sam, but any nicer than that I am likely to want the SON. My
> exception to that would be some thru-axle applications and some of my
> recent builds where I  have a second set of wheels. One set of wheels might
> be nicer than the other. SON on the primary set & SP on the second set.
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Re: [RBW] The Sound of Silence - Just Ride Quietly

[Jim Bronson]

Am I being chased by a pack of bees, or is that just Chris King calling on
line 2?

But seriously...

For me the things that matter most about a rear hub are more like amount of
pedal rotation before positive engagement of hub pawls.  The noise made by
a hub doesn't bother me.  But I respect others' views.

-Jim

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 2:13 PM Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
martinpgie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Might be a first for this topic. I was out on my All Rounder this weekend,
> a local rail trail that has sections of pavement here and there. My current
> set up is one speed, using a Paul Melvin matched up to an eight speed
> cogset on an XT cassette hub out back - one of the middle cogs, (not sure
> which) and a single TA zephyr ring up front - a 36 I think. Anyway, one of
> the best things about biking for me, and a goal of mine in general, is to
> ride as quietly as possible. Similar to sculling on flat water, which I
> have done my share of, the feeling of self propulsion in total silence
> intrigues and pleases me.
>
> On gravel, the Rivendell makes very little sound while pedaling or not,
> just a light crackle/hiss from the tires. (700c Big Ben's in this case) But
> on pavement, damn if all sound doesn't evaporate entirely! I love that!
> Granted, at 64  - and having played drums for many years in my youth - my
> hearing is diminished somewhat to begin with. Regardless, my mission to
> ride silently appears to be achieved. Having said that, there may be room
> to improve. I suppose a fixed gear hub would eliminate any chance of pawl
> noise, and smooth tires may take it down a notch too. I have a White ENO
> flipflop hub laced to a rim that would work, so that may be my next
> experiment.
>
> Any other ideas for silent running are welcome.
>
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Your 650B convered Redwood (was: Re: [RBW] Roadini - 650b on bigger sizes?)

[Jim Bronson]

David,

If you are riding a 61cm Roadini, surely that must be the 65cm Redwood and
not the 68 (which I have), I'm thinking.  Is there a difference in
clearance between the two?

I would like to replicate this setup on my Redwood.  However, the lack of a
3rd bottle braze on keeps it as more of a daylight sunny day bike as
compared to my 90s custom/road standard, which I use as my hard-core Rando
bike.

Not that I've been doing many Rando rides the last few years, what with
parenting responsibilities catching up to me, but I still feel the need to
have a bike in the stable that I feel I can pick up and ride 300, 400 or
600K day or night in all weather conditions.  Because who knows when the
want will strike me, or at least I like to think it will.

Anyway the lack of a 3rd braze on bottle mount is a liability in my mind
that keeps the Redwood from being "that bike" that I'm going to pull down
off the wall for Rando adventure.  But those 650Bx48 tires mounted on your
Redwood sure make me take a 2nd look at it.  Maybe I should just do a stem
mounted water bottle cage or two.

-Jim
Austin, TX

On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 4:48 PM David B  wrote:

> Adam,
> For curiosity’s sake, I put 650b wheels in my 61cm Roadini to see what fit
> would be with WTB Horizons (47mm). They technically fit, however the
> tightest point is fork width - only ~1mm on either side of the tire. Rear
> would be fine. My regular setup is 700c with 38mm tires with Shimano brakes
> (47-57mm) brake pads near the bottom, guessing around 54mm reach.
> So with reach at 54mm for 700c, reach for 650b would be 73mm. So, do-able
> for sure, but at the end range for commonly available long reach brakes.
> I’d be comfortable with 42mm 650b tires, with narrower than ideal fenders.
> For me 38mm 700c and 42mm 650b wouldn’t justify the switch unless I
> intended to add fenders.
> It’s a little bit of a shame as the Ram/Rom/Redwood had wider fork crowns.
> Here’s my Redwood with 47mm 650b:
> https://www.instagram.com/p/B_yrQRyl3T6/?igshid=uv3t2cag2s1f
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> River Grove, IL
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Re: [RBW] Schwalbe’s Big Apple is a 10-year old tire design. What’s a newer/better alternative?

[Jim Bronson]

I decided to live with the Kwick Nine on my Clem H.  I just exert the same
effort that I would otherwise, and enjoy the scenery.

If I need to get somewhere faster, I use my Road Standard which has Compass
tires on it.

-Jim

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 5:20 AM Eric Daume  wrote:

> Though they have their fans, I've found BA's to be fairly slow and
> plodding on the few bikes I've tried them on.
>
> That said, they're worlds better than the stock Kwik Nines that come on
> the Clem. Those are particularly awful tires. Sometimes I wake up at night
> in a cold sweat, after a nightmare that I was forced to ride Kwik Nines.
>
> I recently put a Maxxiss Grifter on the back of my Jones, after the bead
> on the Schwalbe Super Moto (pre-Big One) broke. The Maxxiss seems to roll
> pretty well, and has a bit of tread.
>
> Panaracer Gravel Kings (they have smooth versions) and the Soma Supple
> tires also work well, IME.
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 11:34 PM LeRoy  wrote:
>
>> The above question requires clarification. I’ll frame the issues in a
>> long-winded way as they pertain to my situation (since, from my point of
>> view, it’s all about me). My second- or third-hand 59 Clem Smith Jr. came
>> to me with 50mm (50-622) Schwalbe Big Apple tires (Performance Line,
>> RaceGuard, LiteSkin). Now, after about 2500 of my miles and an unknown
>> prior history, it’s time for new tires.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not a sophisticated or particularly knowledgeable judge of tires. I
>> have no depth of experience. However, I like the Big Apple’s virtues: it
>> offers a very comfortable ride, relatively low rolling resistance,
>> longevity, a good price/value relationship, and an admirable resistance to
>> flats. What’s not to like, right?
>>
>>
>>
>> But... there's always a but. Schwalbe, with the Big Apple introduction a
>> decade ago, was a pioneer in the balloon tire movement. And while there
>> have been improvements and variations in the Big Apple line, one wonders
>> what else has been developed by Schwalbe and competitors to fill the same
>> niche for comfort, easy rolling, longevity, value, and flat resistance.
>>
>>
>>
>> To further narrow the question, my riding conditions consist mainly of
>> rails-to-trails mileage, around town use on paved and gravel roads, and
>> very limited use on light-duty off-road bike trails. Although my Clem is
>> rather a heavyweight, even among Clems, with me on board we are still
>> safely below its maximum GVWR, if there is such a thing for bikes. My
>> riding days range from 10-40 miles with very occasional longer ventures. My
>> riding is more relaxed than aggressive. Knobbies and gravel tires don’t
>> seem necessary. I want comfort, easy rolling, value, durability and flat
>> resistance. Finally, I have a generalized impression that lighter tires
>> will be more satisfactory than heavier, other things being equal.
>>
>>
>>
>> To get to the point of this long story, I’m seeking advice from those
>> with more experience. I’m looking at widths from 50-55mm, *maybe* up to
>> 60mm although I have to consider fender clearance. And this will be simply
>> a choice of tires, not a tube vs. tubeless choice – I’m staying with tubes,
>> And, this is not a quest for new tire and wheel combinations. Here’s what
>> I’ve gleaned after spelunking among the archives:
>>
>>
>>
>> ·  The Big Apple is still a fine choice, but it’s no lightweight
>>
>> ·  The Schwalbe Big Ben seems to be more of everything the Big Apple
>> offers, including more weight
>>
>> ·  The Schwalbe Big One, in its several iterations, seems more
>> fragile, less durable and more costly – although its other features are
>> admirable
>>
>> ·  The Maxxis Torch 29x2.1 looks interesting, and is a good bit
>> wider – yet lighter – than Big Apples, but I haven’t seen many reviews
>>
>> ·  The Kenda tires that come standard on the Clem seem to be held in
>> low regard
>>
>> ·  Many of the highly-touted and rather costly specialist tires seem
>> more fragile and/or less long-lived than the Big Apple
>>
>>
>> The question is, what tire make and model would you recommend for my
>> combination of priorities and riding conditions? Or, should I just order
>> another set of Big  Apples and call it a day? Thanks for any insights and
>> the patience of the reader.
>>
>>
>> LeRoy
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Re: [RBW] Another Clem fender conundrum

[Jim Bronson]

Thanks for the suggestions guys.  I think I like Dan's suggestion of the VO
springy thing the best.  I'll try that first.

As for Analog's comments, agreed, rather buy from a bike retailer than a
hardware store!  They're most likely to have the exact stuff one needs.

-Jim
Leander(thal), TX

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 7:33 AM Dan McNamara  wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> I have used a wine cork with a long bolt to address this. There is also
> this item from Velo-Orange that might help:
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/spring-thing?_pos=1&_sid=3accc6dce&_ss=r
>
> You could probably put something similar together with a trip to the
> hardware store.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Dan
>
> San Rafael, CA
>
> On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:46 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
> 
> Well after 3 years, I decided to finally put the fenders on that I had
> purchased with the bike.  There was a drenching on a rather cold day (for
> Texas in March) a few weeks back, and I can't have that road grime all over
> me again.
>
> Thoughts of, oh why oh why didn't I just pay the $40 or whatever it was
> to have Rivendell put them on before shipping the bike? Come to mind at
> times like these.
>
> So anyway the front fender went pretty well but the back fender was a
> train wreck/dumpster fire (pick one).  The fender line is a disaster.
> There must be at least three inches between the fender and the tire near
> the seat stay.  I put the bike in the stand and took the fender back off.
>
> I need a long bolt and something like a wine cork to create some shim
> space there.  I have seen these done before on other bikes
>
> Does anyone have suggestions?  I would prefer to order the bolt online.  I
> have lots of wine corks and other assorted washers lying around.
>
> Pics at https://photos.app.goo.gl/LTC6BnG1T9WXK2jXA of the front and rear.
>
> Jim
> Leander, TX
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[RBW] Another Clem fender conundrum

[Jim Bronson]

Well after 3 years, I decided to finally put the fenders on that I had
purchased with the bike.  There was a drenching on a rather cold day (for
Texas in March) a few weeks back, and I can't have that road grime all over
me again.

Thoughts of, oh why oh why didn't I just pay the $40 or whatever it was to
have Rivendell put them on before shipping the bike? Come to mind at times
like these.

So anyway the front fender went pretty well but the back fender was a train
wreck/dumpster fire (pick one).  The fender line is a disaster.  There must
be at least three inches between the fender and the tire near the seat
stay.  I put the bike in the stand and took the fender back off.

I need a long bolt and something like a wine cork to create some shim space
there.  I have seen these done before on other bikes

Does anyone have suggestions?  I would prefer to order the bolt online.  I
have lots of wine corks and other assorted washers lying around.

Pics at https://photos.app.goo.gl/LTC6BnG1T9WXK2jXA of the front and rear.

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Re: [RBW] Silver2 shifters on downtube?

[Jim Bronson]

I don't agree that stem shifters are the boss.  I have a gas pipe 80s
Nishiki with them and I find them awkward.  If I rode the bike more, I
would replace them with barcons.

-Jim

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 1:09 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The real question is how they look and work on the stem. So few people
> recognize the truth that stem shifters are freaking BOSS that I just have
> to assume it’s up to me to try it first.
>
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> El Cerrito, Ca
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Re: [RBW] Silver2 shifters have arrived!

[Jim Bronson]

Are these available indexed?

*ducks while running out of the room*


Jim
austin, tx, earth

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 9:45 PM dougP  wrote:

> The long awaited Silver 2 shifters have arrived, just in time for the
> holidays:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/shifting/products/kjalgjoihjga44451
>
> The mounts for upright bars are delayed a bit but the shifters also work
> as bar ends & down tubes.  Treat yourself to something nice; maybe buy a
> spare pair "just in case".  Shifters sold individually so you can do all
> sorts of crazy things.  See the website for which-goes-where.
>
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Re: [RBW] Tires for Clementine

[Jim Bronson]

I didn't like the Kendas on my Clem Smith Jr at first either, but after
some consideration, I decided to just keep them until they wear out, or
until I have money burning a hole in my pocket, which is currently NOT the
case.

They are slower and heavier than other tires, but I find that if I just
accept the slower speed it doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the bike.  I
don't use my Clem like a road bike, it's more relaxed than that.  I just
put out the same amount of effort that I would otherwise and whatever speed
I achieve, is whatever speed I achieve.  Yea I'm 3 or more MPH slower than
I am on my Rivendell Road Standard shod with Compass LoupLoup Pass tires,
but who cares.  Well I don't at any rate.

Plus the Kendas have the added advantage of being very flat resistant.  I
don't even take a spare tube with me when I ride my Clem.  Granted, I don't
get more than 5 or 10 miles away from the house much on my Clem, but still,
it's somewhat liberating to feel that sort of confidence.

*I do carry spare tubes most of the time, but the couple of times I forgot
to put my saddlebag back on, I just shrugged it off and kept riding.

Jim
Austin, TX

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 10:16 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a 2015 Clementine with the original Kenda tires. I have heard those
> aren’t nice tires and I’m starting to suspect the rumors are true. “Boggy”
> someone once said, and that makes sense to me.
>
> At any rate, something worse is happening. Every day I come home from the
> school commute and notice black speckles all over my legs, and more on my
> left leg than right. The dots are not like grease - they LOOK like grease
> but wipe off like dust. I took a video of this but think it might be weird
> to post leg videos. At any rate, I suspected the stuff was coming from the
> chain. Joe Bernard told me to get a chain cleaner and get at it, which I
> did, and now my chain is clean but I still have the problem. Roberta asked
> about my tires. Are they flaking off? They don’t appear to be, but I don’t
> know.
>
> Whatever the problem, doesn’t this seem like a good excuse to get new
> tires?
>
> I would love your input here. I want them to be the same fatness (there’s
> a technical term!) that I have now, because I LOVE them and because they
> fit with my fenders. I need puncture resistance. I have a healthy fear of
> flats and zero skills to fix them. I’m telling you I live dangerously. That
> is all!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa 700c to 650b via Paul motolite barkes

[Jim Bronson]

I've been running my early (road standard or custom) Riv 650B for years,
yes it's low, but it feels normal to me.  Originally was 700x28 when I got
it in 2005 (short reach brakes even), now 650B x38 with fenders, love it so
much this way.

Jim
Austin, TX

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> There's also the matter of BB height. Riv already designs them low, which
> negates one of the reasons to 650B-ize a 700c bike while creating a major
> pedal strike problem. Your 700c Joe doesn't need the fix.
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[RBW] 64 Clem L available for pre-order?

[Jim Bronson]

It appears on their web page that it is.

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/complete-bicycle-clem-l?variant=20815874621551

can anyone confirm this?

probably give them a ring in the morning.

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Re: [RBW] FS- 700c wheel set - $500 + shipping

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It was Rene that was selling the wheelset, not Jim.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:33 AM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Jim:
>
> Can you do $450 for the wheels?
>
> –Eric N
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> On Aug 22, 2019, at 7:00 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
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> free bump for a really nice wheelset!
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 9:09 PM René Sterental 
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>>
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>> - Altas 36 holed polished rim
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>> Local pickup in SF Bay Area preferred, but can ship.
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Re: [RBW] FS- 700c wheel set - $500 + shipping

[Jim Bronson]

free bump for a really nice wheelset!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Hubbuhs?

[Jim Bronson]

Yea I think those big G-Ones would go good on a Clem also!

I covet a HubbaHubba but no have the scratch.  C'est la vie.

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 5:39 PM Chris L  wrote:

> Looks good!   I especially like the color!
>
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> I was thinking earlier today that I might pick up a set of 60mm G-One
> Speeds for my Hunqapillar.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dropbar width

[Jim Bronson]

I was surprised to find that these Nitto RM-013 come in 48 and 52 also, but
then i found these curious statements:

7 Flare; These bars do not have a traditional curve.
Length
46cm from bar-end to bar-end (40cm from drop to drop)
48cm (43cm from drop to drop)
52cm (46cm from drop to drop)

So the 52 is really more like a 46?

https://www.thebikesmiths.com/products/nitto-rm-013-ht?variant=6893679902754

-jim
Austin, TX



On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 6:36 PM Grady Wright  wrote:

> Nitto RM-013 are a good alternative to the Noodles. They have shorter
> reach, and more flare, so more wrist clearance.
>
> On Monday, 19 August 2019 14:33:37 UTC-6, Chris Balaschak wrote:
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>> I am wondering the consensus on handlebar width for a midsized human (PBH
>> 85).
>>
>> I have been riding 400m Nitto B132s, but feel they are much too narrow at
>> the brake hoods (maybe 370mm?). However, I appreciate the swoop and dip and
>> drop - the multiple hand positions. I would like a drop bar with at least
>> 420m at the hoods, and plenty of reach (there are some wider bars out
>> there, but have very shallow reach<80). What are you riding that is
>> comfortable, wide, multi-positional?
>>
>> My main consideration right now, are these, which are kind of wacko-wide.
>>
>> https://www.sim.works/collections/handle-bars-simworks-by-nitto/products/so-bar?variant=12605701750885
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Re: [RBW] Bombadil 68-cm FS or Trade

[Jim Bronson]

*drool*

man I wish I had the scratch to acquire this.  Good luck on the sale.

-Jim
Austin, TX.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 9:09 PM a spens  wrote:

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> Hi Riv-Folks,
>
> Going to put my 68- Bombadil up for sale. It has a bit of the expected
> beausage and is otherwise in terrific working order.
>
> --$1550--Included in the price is Frame & fork, Chris King headset, Campy
> BB, lugged seatpost, bullmoose handlebars
>
> Suitable for most riders 6-5 and taller.  Would possibly consider a
> trade/deal for a taller Homer Hilsen, Sam Hilborne, etc.
>
> Pics to soon be available at the CL below.
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> Please PM me with questions.
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Jim Bronson]

The only bike I have that I think sucks without discs is my 90s Burley
tandem.

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[RBW] Drop Bar Fans: anyone tried the 50cm So Bar?

[Jim Bronson]

If 48cm Noodles are just not wide enough, there's this:

https://www.sim.works/products/so-bar?variant=12605701783653

Comes in black and silver, obviously, I'd be interested in the silver
version.

Anyone tried it?  It's a little more traditional and less bendy than a
Noodle.  But still, looks interesting.

Jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Buy a Clem (from Rivendel) and get a $750 store credit(!)

[Jim Bronson]

It does seem they're going to the well quite a bit.  I don't know what it's
going to take to get the business on more solid footing but continuing to
make these sort of appeals seems like it's probably going to have
diminishing returns each time it's tried.

When the previous gen 65s went on sale for $1300 I bought one, for me that
was a good deal and I ride the bike pretty often.  It's great for the mixed
terrain riding I do often now that I live in the suburbs, whereas my other
Rivs are more or less straight roadies.

When the cash flow appeal was made, I bought some gift certificates and
never used them.

Now this current offer, while a good one, doesn't really work for me as the
biggest size is 59s and I already have a Clem H anyway.  I could buy my
wife a 45 but she doesn't ride the bike she has very much anyway.  Yea it'd
be great to have a 750$ gift certiifcate just to buy maintenance parts but
I have to assume that Rivendell would be selling the bike at cost and then
with the gift certificate I'd be picking them apart bit by bit for the next
couple of years.  I don't know how this helps the business.

I was surprised they did another run of Clem Hs anyway, it seemed like on
this list that most of the usual suspects had already gotten one.  Maybe
they sold briskly the first time around.  As the prior poster mentions, it
seems like the Ls are sold out a lot.

What would really help me more is to barter, but that don't really help
their business' cashflow.  At any rate I would love to trade my 90s Burley
Duet tandem for a 45 Clem.  I finally came to the realization that it's way
too small for the Captain. It's sitting in the garage gathering dust.  It's
25 years old and barely been ridden.

But anyway.

-Jim

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 1:44 PM Kolby  wrote:

> It bums me out that Riv is in this position (again) with the Clem H. To
> Grant's point, it definitely should be selling given the mainstream market.
> Meanwhile, the Clem L is perpetually out of stock despite seemingly healthy
> demand (on this list, at least) and good press.
>
> I love my Rivs and I love the brand. But man, is it just me or does the
> marketing and messaging get quirkier and more baroque every year? They
> don't make it easy for the uninitiated, at least, and this is clearly at
> odds with the growth goals of a $1600 bike such as the Clem.
>
> But now, instead of trying a new marketing tactic with the Clem, it is
> going away. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 12:19:12 AM UTC-4, LeRoy wrote:
>>
>> Yep, just like it sounds. Here is what Grant Peterson says in his latest
>> Blahg (emphasis in bold added). If I didn't have one, I'd get one. Act now!
>>
>> *CLEM H's are incredible bikes, Hillybikes, All-Rounders, tourers,
>> commuters. Dialed in, super values, and they aren't selling. We're not
>> going to do them again,which seems nuts to me when I look at all the
>> mainstream bikes that do sell for more and aren't as good, but that's just
>> me.*
>>
>> *Nevertheless, we're in a spot and we need to move 20 of those. Need to.
>> We have 45s for most riders up to 5-6, 52s for most riders up to 5-11, and
>> 59s for most riders up to 6-4. Complete except for saddles. This is a more
>> comfortable, useful, better designed, better riding bike than most bikes in
>> the world, and we need to sell 20. Here's an incentive: The first ten
>> people to buy one between now and the end of the month will get $750 store
>> credit.   *
>>
>> *If you have a Clem H, you know what a great bike it is, and don't get
>> mad that you paid more. Mourn us for having to do this and rejoice in the
>> bargain your comrades are getting. If you don't have a CLEM H, but want a
>> rough-stuff, toury-trail-towny bike, holy cow, a good time to get one.*
>>
>> *And all orders received on Sat and Sun (the 16th and 17th will get free
>> shipping and a $10 credit toward a future order  placed within a month.*
>>
>> *I hate this stuff, but this is the reality, and it's a good opportunity.
>> For those who read the BLAHG.*
>>
>> *We (and certainly I) have a lot to be thankful for. I don't mean to
>> sound desperate, just want to get over a hump we got here.*
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Re: [RBW] FS: Yves Gomez 60cm black with extras

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CONGRATS!

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 12:54 PM A. Nostuh  wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lack of Betty Foys for sale.

[Jim Bronson]

Geez.  I would have offered them back to the sender before taking them to
Goodwill.

Then again, I would never take any bike to Goodwill, anyway.

Jim

On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 1:21 PM masmojo  wrote:

> Reasons why more Betty Foys don't pop up.
> First, there probably never really that many to start with.
> 2) Being replaced by the Cheviot.
> 3) The introduction of the Clementine.
> 4) It was more or less targeted for women & sadly there's a much smaller
> number of female cyclists.
> 5) Probably more than most Rivendells, as in your example are purchased
> for the intended user by a well meaning loved one. Depending on that
> relationship, daughter,  wife, girlfriend, etc. The bike may be ridden or
> it may sit in the garage,  store unit, etc.
> Many BF recipients may have no clue about their bikes origin or how
> exceptional it really is. So they may pass it down, give it to charity or
> worse just let it collect dust. I was brutally made aware of this by my
> sister who I discovered gave a bunch of REALLY nice bikes that I  had sent
> them to the Goodwill while cleaning out their storage room. When I see how
> much similar bikes go for on Ebay it's hard to keep from crying.
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Re: [RBW] Biking trip in CA?

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Or anklebiters ;)

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 4:54 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Everyone knows you meant "yahoos" in the most loving way, Leah, it's like
> "knuckleheads".
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[RBW] Big Clem Ls anyone thinking of selling?

[Jim Bronson]

Anyone thinking of parting with their 64/65 Clem L?

My dad is having a hip replacement and needs a bike for rehab afterwards
per his doctor.  He's tall like me, so I can't think of any other bike on
the market that would work for him better than a Clem L.  He looked at some
of my bikes but commented that the top tubes were too high for him to swing
a leg over.  He's 6'5" and shinking somewhat, PBH unknown.

Would be happy to buy a new one, I'm sure, but understandably Riv only did
1 batch of big Ls, and I think something like 10 big Rosco Bubbes in an L
style.

I looked at the Cheviot presale, but I'm not sure a 60cm Cheviot is going
to be big enough for him, and I hate to recommend something that's
suboptimal if he's going to be dropping $2.5K into it.  He's not a cycling
nut like me or even my sister (who's kind of a runner first, cyclist 2nd),
so talking him into $1400 frame only might be too big of a stretch anyway.

>From past threads I realize that most of the big guys who got big Clem Ls
on this list were really happy with them, but I guess it never hurts to ask.

Alternately, is there anyone in the Austin, Texas area with a 60cm Cheviot
that we could compare against my dad's comfort level?

Hope everyone's having a great day.

-Jim

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Re: [RBW] Whoah! 1 x 12?????

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The big question is price.  The first year Sram had 12, it was uber
expensive.  Now I think they've brought out a more affordable 12 speed
groupset, but I'm looking for commodity prices like where 9 and 10 are
now.  I think 11 is just about at commodity levels too, but I don't think
12 speed probably is yet.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:36 PM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> The industry has gone to 12 now?
>
> They have a 1 x 12 on an Atlantis. Far out!.
>
>
> I also wonder if, with the existing 11 and 12 cogset setups if you are
> tied in to a certain manufacturer, component-wise, like with indexing.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[Jim Bronson]

I had to move my bikes around to take out the trash the other night.  My
Clem stands apart in that regard, it's the only one that has a kickstand.
So I can just put it on a blank patch of concrete in my garage and then it
supports itself.  A useful feature.

-Jim

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 5:32 PM David Stein  wrote:

> I *need* a cargo bike for the kids, but I *want* an Clem. This thread
> isn't helping. Technically I don't need anything, we all have feet and live
> w/in walking distance of most places we really need to go. But that doesn't
> solve this n+1 problem. I can still access my bikes without moving around
> some bikes to get to other bikes. Big problems.
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 3:26 PM tc  wrote:
>
>> Wow, Clem owners, keep the pic's coming!  Some really nice builds out
>> there.  Just shows the versatility of this bike, from dirt drop campers to
>> shiny-fendered limo's :)  It still amazes me what you get for the price.
>>
>> I'm feelin' the need for a Clem convention, esp with what has started out
>> as a beautiful fall.
>>
>> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: Got a SP hub! Works good.

[Jim Bronson]

worked fine for me.

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 8:35 PM Ash  wrote:

> Lum,  pictures are 404/Not Found..
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 16 October 2018 11:09:14 UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> Some pics for looks comparison
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Re: [RBW] My wife's request for a bike tour

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I would not take my kid riding on US101 or CA1, full stop.  Way too much RV
and tourist traffic for my tastes.  I've done parts in OR and CA and I
couldn't wait to get on the back roads.

I'd do the ACA Transam route from Oregon to Yellowstone NP if it were me
taking my kid.  Granted, there is is a lot of climbing, but the grades are
generally manageable.

On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 6:57 PM Kip Otteson  wrote:

> My wife requested that we do a bike tour this upcoming summer.  This is a
> pretty rare request and when she mentioned it I jumped at the chance.  I'm
> planning on riding the Pacific Coast route as laid out by Adventure
> Cycling.  We are not doing the whole trip, but are going to be riding from
> Southern Oregon and will be ending up in the OC.  The crew will be me, my
> wife, and two kids, daughter (12) and son (15).  We have ridden a few tours
> in SE Asia but nothing this long.  Not remotely.  I'll be on my Bombadil,
> my wife on her Heron, and my son on a Surly Pack Rat, daughter on an 86'
> Panasonic Mountain Cat 4500.  We plan on being on the road from the 10th of
> June till around the middle of July.  We are both school teachers so this
> is doable as far as work is concerned.  Being teachers, we are on a budget
> and plan on camping as much as we can.  We have used Warm Showers in the
> past and are hosts.  That is a great deal, for sure.
>
> I'm looking for any suggestions from folks that have done this.  Good
> places to camp, words of advice on road conditions, etc.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Kip
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Re: [RBW] Therapeutic effects of night riding and eating

[Jim Bronson]

What were the bikes used?

I see something that looks like a Clem or Apploousa, a green bike of
indeterminate origin, and a blue bike with a name ending in Public.

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 4:45 PM ascpgh  wrote:

> The season has set for the rides at the end of the day, my local group
> rides are over and to keep riding are adjustments are necessary and have
> been made. This week I have had the pleasure to get out twice with lights
> and the dark season paradigm of my place in the urban landscape.
>
> Tuesday I met my usual cohort from the group rides and we headed out at
> actual sunset. We added reflective vests to augment front and rear lights
> to compensate for the new time darkness settles. We're both experienced
> riders and the muggy weather in the 70°s kept us lathered on our climbs and
> faster segments. Darkness demands a return to caution perhaps taken lightly
> through the summer when you can see everything and all is familiar.
>
> There is restorative effect to the renew need for caution and mindfulness
> that a couple of crusty old riders hadn't experienced in a while otherwise.
> It makes the miles and sights new again. In this episode we concluded by
> having a meal and prolonged conversation afterward. The moules frites,
> brisket, crusty bread, ales and stouts rewarded the reflections of the ride
> and all sorts of things from the past. My friend is going to carry my
> interests to the Philly Bike Expo and we hashed over many topics of
> interest to a couple of traditional bike technology aficionados.
>
>
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> Thursday night was going to be the arrival of fall by proclamation of the
> TV meteorologists and our friend who expressed a real interest in riding at
> night was in a pharmacology exam until almost sunset but texted that she
> was absolutely game to ride, so I met her and began the evening with dinner
> instead of finishing with it like Tuesday.
>
>
> We had burritos from the truck in the nearby neighborhood rising from the
> ashes around here. It was nice enough to eat at their picnic table in the
> parking lot of the pizza joint sponsoring them. After finishing and getting
> going I found myself in a very different mode with a rider who's been rind
> in the city for a bit more than a year. I concentrated on sight and sound,
> moved from intermediate destination to another at a steady pace to avoid
> fearsomeness and found myself really enjoying showing someone this secret
> playground by just riding.
>
>
> The two of us actually rode farther and longer than my friend and I did
> Tuesday night. We saw the neon and LED lights of the city, the sounds, the
> wildlife (natural and human), a collegiate women's soccer match, the local
> darkness and rough to go with the light and smooth. By the end we were both
> very happy to have taken the time and effort to go, do and see all that we
> did (and eat a burrito).
>
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> I'm humbled by the reset I get by breaking my habits, whether by showing
> someone new something or the familiar but via a different manner.
>
>
> Andy Cheatham
>
> Pittsburgh
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for floor pumps?

[Jim Bronson]

I have one of those basic Specialized models too, cost about $35 and I've
had it for 14-15 years, still works fine.  It's better at Presta than
Schrader, but that doesn't really bother me because my fleet is all
Presta.  Only thing that's Shrader is the jogging stroller, but I don't jog
anyway, so no problem.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 8:46 PM Edwin W  wrote:

> I’ve had a good run with the basic specialized model I bought at my local
> bike store. $35, easy with shrader or presta, nothing fancy, great volume
> compared to my Lezyne with that super fiddle head that some people can use
> with no problems. Not me! I was always unscrewing codes and whatnot.
>
> Liking dual head easy pumps with no screwing involved,
>
> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] comparison: Marathon vs Compass

[Jim Bronson]

I wouldn't think people would compare Marathon Supremes and Compass tires.
They really have completely different purposes.  I'd take the Marathons 10
times out of 10 if I was touring Central Asia.  On the other hand, for a
brevet I would take Compass tires 10 times out of 10.

For riding mainly paved roads with some mixed terrain or gravel, the
Compass are great.  They are more fragile, some people complain of sidewall
cuts on rough terrain.  They wouldn't my choice for riding on rough rocks
for sure.

But yeah that's just my opinion.

-Jim



On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 3:19 AM dougP  wrote:

> Those of you who know me know how much I hate flats & like chubby tires.
> For many years now, I've been a big proponent of the Schwalbe Marathon
> Supreme as a nice balance between heft & performance.  The development of
> wider, supple tires seemed an interesting option.  When Compass began
> offering larger sizes, and Jan wrote about numerous off pavement
> adventures, it seemed like something worth considering. But the $160 for a
> bikesworth put me off a bit.  A while back, I got a pair of used Snoqualmie
> Pass Extralights from a list member.  This allowed me to do a back to back
> comparison to see what all the excitement was about.
>
> Well, the results are in & I'm impressed by the real difference in ride
> and performance.  For ages, I've run 700 x 40 Marathon Supremes on Mavic
> A-719 rims.  They measure an actual 40 mm @ 50 psi, and the advertised
> weight is 490 grams, at a retail price (non-tubeless) of $76.
>
> I've been running Marathon Mondials for the last few months.  They are
> noticeably harsher riding and slower to roll up to speed than the Supremes,
> as you might guess from their advertised weight of 650 grams.  They measure
> 40 mm, same as the Supremes.  Current retail on Schwalbe's site is $84.
>
> Switching from the Mondials to the Snoqualmie Pass Extralight was a
> revelation.  Smoother, softer ride and much quicker pickup from a stop.
> Compass claims 329 grams, and they measure 43 mm @ 50 psi on the A719
> rims.  I will need to do some serious thinking when these wear out.
>
> The big unknown is flat resistance.  I don't mind the odd flat from time
> to time, but I recall the days of light tires that seemed to constantly
> flat that lead to my aversion of the chore of fixing.  These days, my
> riding is mostly on paved roads that are in good condition so it's a pretty
> easy on tires, and it's unlikely I'll do any more major tours.  As long as
> the flat issue is under control, I'll be looking at Compass for my next
> pair.
>
> dougP
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tektro TRP RRL vs. Shimano Tiagra type BRL400 brake levers?

[Jim Bronson]

Yea, that fillet brazed stem is sweet!   I don't have any bikes that use
threadless anymore, but if I did, I'd be wanting to get something like that.

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 1:00 PM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> Thanks, Doug!
>
> Looks real nice! What kind of stem is that?
>
> Looks like the shim would make them stick out straight like brifters.
> Those bars look the same shape as the M151F I hopefully will be using. I
> will have to try both ways to see which will be best for me.
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[RBW] FS Soma GR v1, complete

[Jim Bronson]

For sale:  61cm Soma Grand Randonneur V1 - Complete
Low trail 650B frame,good for randonneuring.  Designed for front load.
Does not come with rack but has multiple attachment points for a front
rack.  Shimano dynamo hub included.
Geometry is here:
http://somafab.blogspot.com/2013/06/soma-grand-randonneur-official-geometry.html

The 61cm is a bit deceptive, since it has a long seatpost extension above
the top tube.  I would say it probably fits a bit smaller than a 61, but
for sure check the geometry chart if you are interested.

Asking $750 plus BikeFlights shipping, unless you're local.  Bike is
located in zip 78613.  I accept Paypal, or cash if you're local.

Has/Includes:
Velocity/Shimano wheelset.  Shimano Dynamo Hub front, Deore LX rear,
135mm.  Front Velocity Synergy 650B, rear Velocity Atlas 650b.

Panaracer Pasela PT tires, 650Bx42mm.  These are serviceable tires but I
would recommend the buyer switch to Compass BabyShoe Pass 650Bx42 to
experience the magic of 650B.

Tanaka Aluminum Fenders, fenderline is not ideal currently but some leather
washers and simple adjustments would help greatly with that.  I just
haven't tried to adjust further from the initial installation.

Deda 215 handlebars, 44cm.  Fresh Cinelli bar tape today (Sun, 9/9/18).

Nitto Technomic quill stem, 140mm extension.

Shimano BR-400 brake levers (non-aero, non-STI)

9 speed bar end shifters - Microshift

Shimano cantilever brakes, model uncertain but they stopped very well when
I rode the bike around the block earlier.

New Cables/Housings, Jagwire, white

46/36/26 Sugino triple, 110/74 BCD, 170mm crankarms

KMC chain

SunRace 11-36 cassette, nickel plated, 9 speed.

Shimano Alivio M4000 rear derailer, officially rated for 36T cassettes.

IRD Alpina front derailer (for big rings under 50T)

Phorm S/330 Gel Max Women saddle.  Have 3 or 4 other saddles in garage
including a Brooks B-17, buyer’s choice of any saddle I have that is not
mounted on a bike.

Kalloy seatpost 27.2, 350mm

Not lncluded:
Pedals, PlanetBike blinkie that are depicted.

Note:  Yes, I can push the stem down some more.

Pics here:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/8Zi5EaQhiNDdPvWF8

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Re: [RBW] Re: The ups and downs of my Clem Smith Jr

[Jim Bronson]

Keith,

Would you be willing to take another picture of the Billie with the stem
mount lined up (about 2" forward from where it is in the pic)?

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 10:30 AM iamkeith  wrote:

> Just occurred to me that I had these all sitting out and handy.  Here's a
> photo showing a 58cm bosco, a Billie and an Open.
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 6:51:28 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >For bars take look at either a Jones bar or the Surly Open bar. The
> black only Surly has 53 degree sweep(25.4 stem), the silver/black
> Jones(31.8 stem) 45 degrees. Surly is 66cm wide and the Jones is  66 or 71.
> >
> >
> >I suspect much of not liking friction shifting has to do with the
> oddities of those particular/peculiar SunRace thumbies.
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Re: [RBW] Re: The ups and downs of my Clem Smith Jr

[Jim Bronson]

Jeffrey,

A list member was very kind to sell me his set of 8 speed indexed SunRace
thumbies for a very reasonable price.  So it will be staying 8 for now.  I
don't really feel the need for more gears on this bike as others.  I like
to have a lot of gears on my brevet Rivendell so I can match effort to
desired pace as closely as possible, but on the Clem, well, I'll get there
when I get there.

In case you were curious though, the standard derailer on the Clem
completes is Grant's favorite derailer, the big-jockey-wheel Altus M310.

On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 5:44 AM 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hey Jim -- I don't know what RD came with the Clem but I can't imagine why
> you couldn't make it work for 9 speed just by working the limit screw
> (and/or B-Screw depending on how wide of a range you wanted). I'm an
> Index-Only guy myself so depending on budget I'd look to Shimano 9 for the
> shifter and any number of inexpensive cassette options to clear that part
> of the problem up.
>
> On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 4:51:21 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> The good news about my Clem is that I've been riding it a lot more since
>> I moved.  I now live on a busy 4 lane highway with no shoulders, so I was
>> having to either brave the traffic to get to a side street or trail, or put
>> the bike on the car, which I hate to do if I'm just going out for a fun
>> ride.  I found a gravel path behind my condo complex that goes about a
>> quarter mile to the next cross street to the highway.  From there I can
>> cross the highway and access the regional mixed terrain trail system.
>>
>> The shortcut I found has got pretty rough big-ish rocks so I am loath to
>> ride my more roadish Rivendells with their relatively fragile Compass
>> tires.  The Clem though tackles this section with aplumb so I find myself
>> wheeling it out for rides more than my other bikes.  I also find the
>> traction just a little bit better on the pea gravel sections of the
>> regional trails, where the slick Compass tires might kick out a bit going
>> around a corner, the Clem and it's big Kendas track straight and true where
>> I point my wheels.  It just feels a little less squirrely, so to say.
>>
>> Which is a good segue into what I don't like.  I bought my 65 ClemH
>> complete and one of the things that it came with that I am not super
>> enamored of is the Bosco bars.  This may sound odd since they are 58cm wide
>> (I think) but they feel too narrow and too far back for me.  I feel like I
>> might hit them with my knees when I'm out riding.  I feel I would prefer a
>> bar with less intrusion into my midsection.  I'd also prefer something a
>> little less upright, which I think having a bar that's not so far into my
>> midsection will take care of itself.  It just doesn't feel dialed in the
>> way it is now.
>>
>> Looking around on Rivendell's website, I like the look of the Billie
>> bars.  I'm just not sure if 58 will be wide enough for my preference.  I'm
>> thinking maybe because they flare out a lot more and much less back than
>> the Boscos, that the 58 might be fine in this form factor.  Truth is my
>> drop bar bikes are only 48cm so having a bar not so far back like the
>> Billie would work I think
>>
>> Or there is the Aherne+MAP handlebar which is 61.5 cm wide in the wider
>> version.
>> https://www.ahearnecycles.com/shop/ahearnemap-handlebar if you're not
>> familar.  I still have some store credit at Rivendell though so this route
>> would cost me more out of pocket.
>>
>> Anyone tried either of these bars on their Clem?
>>
>> The other thing I don't like is friction shifting.  Does Microshift or
>> SunRace make an indexed 8 speed thumbie?  I was hoping to re-use the thumb
>> pod and just get the shifter part of it, but I can only find 8 speed in
>> friction.  I could switch to Shimano 8 which would require a different
>> thumb pod or go 9 speed indexed T09 Microshift thumbies which would require
>> a 9 speed cassette and potentially a different derailer.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> -Jim
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The ups and downs of my Clem Smith Jr

[Jim Bronson]

That is so true Joe!  You don't get the clackety-clack when you are a
little off like you did in the days of old.  Back when I was rocking my
Schwinn Collegiate, there was no question if the gear lever needed a little
more trim or not.  The feedback was highly audible.  Surely I don't hear as
well now as I did when I was 12 or 13, but I'm not so deaf as to miss some
clacking from the back of the bike.

No the failure mode with modern friction shifting when the lever's not
trimmed right is your chain jumping all over the place.  At least it is in
my case.  Maybe we just need a cassette with straight cut teeth like the
old ones.  The new cassettes have all sorts of CAD created funny shapes and
angles to aid in index shifting.

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:46 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Part of the problem is the first edition Clems used those weird ratchety
> shifters that weren't really friction, weren't really Power Ratchets.
> Mostly they just sucked. Also, in my 56-years-old case, I just can't hear
> bad shifting like I used to. Friction is more work than when I was a
> youngster banging giant stem levers on Schwinn Varsitys. Gimme them clicks,
> man!
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[RBW] Re: The ups and downs of my Clem Smith Jr

[Jim Bronson]

I should have mentioned that, friction shifting seemed perfectly fine back
in the day with my childhood 10 and 12 speeds in the 70s and 80s, but now
it seems out of sync.  I don't know if it's the additional 2 gears in the
back or I'm just spoiled by years of indexed shifting.

But anyway.

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:51 PM Jim Bronson  wrote:

> The good news about my Clem is that I've been riding it a lot more since I
> moved.  I now live on a busy 4 lane highway with no shoulders, so I was
> having to either brave the traffic to get to a side street or trail, or put
> the bike on the car, which I hate to do if I'm just going out for a fun
> ride.  I found a gravel path behind my condo complex that goes about a
> quarter mile to the next cross street to the highway.  From there I can
> cross the highway and access the regional mixed terrain trail system.
>
> The shortcut I found has got pretty rough big-ish rocks so I am loath to
> ride my more roadish Rivendells with their relatively fragile Compass
> tires.  The Clem though tackles this section with aplumb so I find myself
> wheeling it out for rides more than my other bikes.  I also find the
> traction just a little bit better on the pea gravel sections of the
> regional trails, where the slick Compass tires might kick out a bit going
> around a corner, the Clem and it's big Kendas track straight and true where
> I point my wheels.  It just feels a little less squirrely, so to say.
>
> Which is a good segue into what I don't like.  I bought my 65 ClemH
> complete and one of the things that it came with that I am not super
> enamored of is the Bosco bars.  This may sound odd since they are 58cm wide
> (I think) but they feel too narrow and too far back for me.  I feel like I
> might hit them with my knees when I'm out riding.  I feel I would prefer a
> bar with less intrusion into my midsection.  I'd also prefer something a
> little less upright, which I think having a bar that's not so far into my
> midsection will take care of itself.  It just doesn't feel dialed in the
> way it is now.
>
> Looking around on Rivendell's website, I like the look of the Billie
> bars.  I'm just not sure if 58 will be wide enough for my preference.  I'm
> thinking maybe because they flare out a lot more and much less back than
> the Boscos, that the 58 might be fine in this form factor.  Truth is my
> drop bar bikes are only 48cm so having a bar not so far back like the
> Billie would work I think
>
> Or there is the Aherne+MAP handlebar which is 61.5 cm wide in the wider
> version.
> https://www.ahearnecycles.com/shop/ahearnemap-handlebar if you're not
> familar.  I still have some store credit at Rivendell though so this route
> would cost me more out of pocket.
>
> Anyone tried either of these bars on their Clem?
>
> The other thing I don't like is friction shifting.  Does Microshift or
> SunRace make an indexed 8 speed thumbie?  I was hoping to re-use the thumb
> pod and just get the shifter part of it, but I can only find 8 speed in
> friction.  I could switch to Shimano 8 which would require a different
> thumb pod or go 9 speed indexed T09 Microshift thumbies which would require
> a 9 speed cassette and potentially a different derailer.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -Jim
>
>
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[RBW] The ups and downs of my Clem Smith Jr

[Jim Bronson]

The good news about my Clem is that I've been riding it a lot more since I
moved.  I now live on a busy 4 lane highway with no shoulders, so I was
having to either brave the traffic to get to a side street or trail, or put
the bike on the car, which I hate to do if I'm just going out for a fun
ride.  I found a gravel path behind my condo complex that goes about a
quarter mile to the next cross street to the highway.  From there I can
cross the highway and access the regional mixed terrain trail system.

The shortcut I found has got pretty rough big-ish rocks so I am loath to
ride my more roadish Rivendells with their relatively fragile Compass
tires.  The Clem though tackles this section with aplumb so I find myself
wheeling it out for rides more than my other bikes.  I also find the
traction just a little bit better on the pea gravel sections of the
regional trails, where the slick Compass tires might kick out a bit going
around a corner, the Clem and it's big Kendas track straight and true where
I point my wheels.  It just feels a little less squirrely, so to say.

Which is a good segue into what I don't like.  I bought my 65 ClemH
complete and one of the things that it came with that I am not super
enamored of is the Bosco bars.  This may sound odd since they are 58cm wide
(I think) but they feel too narrow and too far back for me.  I feel like I
might hit them with my knees when I'm out riding.  I feel I would prefer a
bar with less intrusion into my midsection.  I'd also prefer something a
little less upright, which I think having a bar that's not so far into my
midsection will take care of itself.  It just doesn't feel dialed in the
way it is now.

Looking around on Rivendell's website, I like the look of the Billie bars.
I'm just not sure if 58 will be wide enough for my preference.  I'm
thinking maybe because they flare out a lot more and much less back than
the Boscos, that the 58 might be fine in this form factor.  Truth is my
drop bar bikes are only 48cm so having a bar not so far back like the
Billie would work I think

Or there is the Aherne+MAP handlebar which is 61.5 cm wide in the wider
version.
https://www.ahearnecycles.com/shop/ahearnemap-handlebar if you're not
familar.  I still have some store credit at Rivendell though so this route
would cost me more out of pocket.

Anyone tried either of these bars on their Clem?

The other thing I don't like is friction shifting.  Does Microshift or
SunRace make an indexed 8 speed thumbie?  I was hoping to re-use the thumb
pod and just get the shifter part of it, but I can only find 8 speed in
friction.  I could switch to Shimano 8 which would require a different
thumb pod or go 9 speed indexed T09 Microshift thumbies which would require
a 9 speed cassette and potentially a different derailer.

Any thoughts?

-Jim



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Re: [RBW] Re: The Silver Hubs

[Jim Bronson]

Rich just sold 4 Silver hubs with the steel freehub body on a first come
first serve basis.

I am one of the lucky recipients :)

Next time the wheel is rebuilt on my Road Standard (which happens every 2-3
years as I destroy rims with some regularity) it will be with a Silver hub!

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 6:44 PM Eric Daume  wrote:

> Some aluminum freehubs put a small steel strip on the load bearing part of
> the gear mating profile. Seems like a good idea.
>
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:50 AM 'Montgomery Engel' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I think that’s probably right. I contacted Rivendell and they do not have
>> and did not know of any cromo replacements. I think there are more alloy
>> freehub bodies out there that are compatible, but I think I’m just going to
>> ride this freehub into the ground, i.e., until I can’t get the cassettes
>> off or I have to rebuild the wheel and then decide whether to chance it
>> with another alloy body or get another hub. I sort of doubt KT is going to
>> be making a cromo replacement.
>> It seems to me this is an engineering error. The softer alloy splines are
>> the same depth as the harder cromo splines in the Shimamo compatible
>> bodies. It strikes me that they should have increased their depth to
>> compensate for the weaker metal. Instead, no surprise, it seems like their
>> answer was to use pricier, interlocking cassettes that are probably less
>> likely to cut the splines, but I’d so much rather have a bulletproof but
>> heavier freehub body and keep using reasonably priced cassettes that I
>> think probably wear at similar rates to the cheap ones!
>> Thanks for the thoughts on this.
>>
>> On Aug 15, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> I looked at that Ben's Cycle listing for a SRAM freehub.  I'd bet a
>> dollar that IF it's really gold in color, like that picture, that it is not
>> in fact steel.  I don't know of a way to make steel be that color.  That's
>> a picture of an aluminum freehub body.  If the item you are actually buying
>> looks alot different from the photo, then maybe it's steel.  They might be
>> referring to the drivering itself, with the ratchet splines, which most
>> certainly is steel.
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 12:40:55 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been researching the possibility of getting a cromo freehub body
>>> for Silver hubs and haven't actually come up with a solution but do have a
>>> couple of leads:
>>>
>>> 1. After some sleuthing I have come to believe that the Silver hubs were
>>> manufactured by KT, a Taiwanese company that manufacturers hubs for a
>>> number of other brands, and whose website used to show a cromoly
>>> replacement freehub with the same mechanism as the Silver ones.  I emailed
>>> them about the possibility of getting one in the U.S. and was directed to
>>> HiFi wheels, a boutique wheel builder in Portland whom I assume is a North
>>> American agent for KT.  They don't list the freehub bodies on their
>>> website, and they never responded to my email inquiry.  You may have better
>>> luck--let us know if you do!
>>>
>>> http://ridehifi.com/
>>>
>>> 2. I have recently discovered that the SRAM S40/60/80 wheels seem to
>>> have used a KT hub with the same freehub mechanism, and that there is a
>>> replacement freehub body out there that looks like the Silver one and is
>>> listed as being steel:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.benscycle.com/sram-s406080-910-speed-freehub-body-and-seal/freehub_body_sram_freehub_bodies_8116_fw4553/product
>>>
>>> (It's listed in the QBP catalog and thus is available from a number of
>>> vendors, this is just the first one that showed the material).  Buying this
>>> was going to be my next attempt (haven't do so yet), but I will say that I
>>> have no idea if it is actually going to work on a Silver hub and if it is
>>> indeed steel. If you buy one, let us know how it works out!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 10:59:12 AM UTC-7, Montgomery Engel
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi, does anyone know the answer to Jim's question, below, re: replacing
>>>> the alloy freehub body with a cro-mo one on Silver hubs? I removed
>>>> my cassette last night with great difficulty to discover rather large
>>>> grooves in the splines cut by the cassette. Grateful for any advice.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 

Re: [RBW] PSA: sweet frame for tall person

[Jim Bronson]

I had one of those cream 68s back in the mid '00s.  Never built it up, and
sold it for $800 to a list member.

I regret that now, but oh well.

On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 8:05 PM 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Sold $1007
> 6th bidder swept in to take it.
> 28 total bids.
> I bowed out at $701
> Would have bid $1125 for 68cm Orange Creamsicle Sparkle version.
>
> Ryan “always n+1 looking” Hankinson
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet purchase

[Jim Bronson]

This frame is a good 650b conversion candidate, or Bon Jon Pass with no
fenders.  Build looks like high quality parts.  I'd agree in the
$1000-$1500 range, the better the paint, the higher in that range it would
be worth.

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:09 AM Richard Rios 
wrote:

> I'd say between 1000-1500$. The Ram is a tremendous value IMHO. Especially
> if you compare it against Rivs current road offerings. Might also just be
> me and I know there has been talk that all frames are the same
> quality...but just from a totally novice looking from the outside
> perspective the couple of toyo made frames I have seemed nicer...I
> personally would rank them Toyo, Tawain / maxway?, waterford... I'd say buy
> it and dont look back. I know the uber fat road tires are the momentary
> cats meow but a nice 32-35 road tire on a great road bike will always have
> its place. Just my .02.
>
> Best
> Richard
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Hillborne in Sage Color, 62cm or 64cm

[Jim Bronson]

I had a sick wife and a newborn baby then and I just didn't see it soon
enough.  I would have snapped it up in a second if I had seen it.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 9:28 PM Kainalu V.  wrote:

> working link, I think, maybe-
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest_medium=email#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/fs$2064$20hillborne%7Csort:date/rbw-owners-bunch/Y7Nb7-tGXOE/xd0qxcVXFwAJ
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> On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 10:21:02 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. wrote:
>>
>> It was crickets back in 2016,
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?utm_source=digest_medium=email#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/FS$2064$20Hillborne$20$20/rbw-owners-bunch/Y7Nb7-tGXOE
>> I guess folks may have been wary of a repaired frame... sold for a song,
>> wish I still had it set up as a racer.
>> -Kai
>> BKNY
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: New Campy Veloce 10s Rear Derailleur, Cog Set, Chain and 50t Chain ring

[Jim Bronson]

Is that a short or medium cage rear derailer?

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 1:33 PM Ash  wrote:

> Price drop!
>
> 10 speed Campy Veloce Silver Rear Derailleur -  $45 (brand new)
> 10 speed Veloce Chain - $20 (brand new)
>
> 13-29 Veloce Cog Set - $25 (practically new)
> 50t Veloce 10s Chainring (goes with 34t inner) - $45 (practically new)
>
> On Friday, 13 July 2018 14:53:10 UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>>
>>
>> Forgot to attach pictures earlier
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 11 July 2018 11:28:33 UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>>>
>>> Prices shipped to CONUS:
>>>
>>> 10 speed Campy Veloce Silver Rear Derailleur -  $60 (brand new)
>>> 10 speed Veloce Chain - $25 (brand new)
>>>
>>> 13-29 Veloce Cog Set - $30 (practically new)
>>> 50t Veloce 10s Chainring (goes with 34t inner) - $60 (practically new)
>>>
>>> Practically new = Used for less than 100 miles.  Came with a new bike, I
>>> swapped those components for climbing friendly versions.
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Re: [RBW] nail polish suggestions

[Jim Bronson]

My mustard Clem has a few scratches as well, it's stored in a 1 car garage
that is stuffed to the brim.  I'm going to follow this thread.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 12:00 PM Jim S.  wrote:

> Not for me. To touch up scratches on Rivs.
>
> I don't want to do the Grant Petersen thing and just put red. I'd like the
> nail polish to somewhat match.
>
> I have a mustard clem with a scrach.
>
> And a light blue roadini.
>
> Any touch-up ideas would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks as always.
>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Hillborne in Sage Color, 62cm or 64cm

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There was a 64 that came up on the group maybe 1-2 years ago, I was sorry
that I missed out on it.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 9:22 AM Cody Bartz  wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> I have followed the group for a while. In 2010, in college, I bought my
> first "serious" dependable bike, a Surly Long Haul Trucker. A friend of
> mine owned a Hunqapillar, and I was always envious. She introduced me to
> Rivendell. Over the years I have bought a number of parts and accessories,
> always wanting a Riv. I am tempted to buy new, but wanted to put some
> feelers out to see if anyone was getting rid of a large Hillborne, ideally
> in the Sage color.
>
> : )
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Re: [RBW] Please tell me about your experience with caliper braked Hillbornes.

[Jim Bronson]

I'm 6'7" and 300+, although I don't ride a Sam, but rather an older 650b
converted Riv with the R559 brakes.  I think they work fine.  If I felt
like I needed to stop more quickly I'd get some Kool Stop pads.

If I still lived in Oregon I'd probably look into a bike with discs.  I
rode my 80s 10 and 12 speed bikes around a lot growing up and when it
rained, which in Western Oregon is often, the brakes were worse than
useless.



On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 4:36 PM Brett Callahan 
wrote:

> Friends,
>
> I'm considering the purchase of a lightly used Sam Hillborne--the caliper
> brake version. The only thing giving me pause is that it has been a while
> since I had anything with caliper brakes. The long reach required would
> seem to limit my options to the Paul Racer Centerpulls and the
> Tektro/Silver R559 brakes. Anyone want to share their experiences with
> these brakes, particularly on the Hillborne?
>
> If money were no object, would replacing R559s with Pauls be a good idea?
> (The bike would come with R559s on it, but I am who I am and will look to
> tinker eventually...)
>
> For background, intended use is as a primarily on road bike with a small
> front rack, 38mm tires, and fenders. I'm six foot two, and weigh 235-245. I
> live in Portland, so the bike will be ridden in the rain.
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [RBW] Will a microshift R10 short cage derailer wrap a 2 x 32-11 setup?

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I'm running 44/28 up front with 11-32 in the back and a Microshift R10 rear
derailer.  I know it's only rated for 28T, but it works great with the
11-32.

I spend close to 99% of my time in the 44.  I did use the 28 yesterday a
few times for climbing out of some Hill Country river valleys in 95F heat
with dead tired legs.

I don't know if small/small would work and honestly I don't care to try it
except maybe in the stand.

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> I know sometimes derailers can handle more than stated sometimes. Just
> wondering if anyone has done it and worked.
>
> Up front: wide low double - 24/40
> Cassette: 11-32 8 speed.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Microshift 8sp thumbie?

[Jim Bronson]

OK that link to the BS-T08 got broken up.  Try this link:

https://goo.gl/uivj9h

-Jim

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:47 PM Jim Bronson  wrote:

> While I find the Microshifts less precise than the equivalent Shimano
> shifters, I think in practice they work fine.  I've never had to "nudge the
> pulley" as you say in order to upshift.  Occasionally a downshift requires
> a bit more of a nudge, but it isn't frequent.  Most of the time I just use
> them and don't think about it, as it should be with a shifter.
>
> On the upside, I find the Microshift units are far more impervious to
> copious quantities of sweat.  I live in Austin, Texas and I sweat a lot.
> I've gummed up a couple of Shimano bar end shifters to the point that even
> soaking them in turpentine or alcohol for a week would not free them up.
> I've never had this problem with the Microshift units and I have 4 years
> under my belt with the pair on my Road Standard.
>
> Further to the OP's point, I would prefer to switch my Clem from friction
> to 8sp indexed.  The Microshift model for the 8 speed indexed downtube
> shifters is SL-D08.  Those should bolt right on the thumb mount.  Has
> anyone seen those in the wild?
>
> I did find the 8 speed bar-ends in the wild, I guess one could disembowel
> one of those to change an existing 8 speed friction thumbie to indexed, and
> then try to find a downtube in 9, 10, or 11 and use the bar end mounts for
> one of those.
>
>
> http://www.bikeman.com/LD0210.html?utm_source=GoogleBase_medium=GoogleBase_campaign=GoogleBase=CjwKCAjwhevaBRApEiwA7aT536as9fAcE_mIt8pOBvAq1pxLLdaTi0SglfBXUgbteR8uQv-xObI3QxoCBOAQAvD_BwE
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> Anyway, hope this helps someone.
>
> -Jim
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> The SunRace and Microshift indexing both suffer from not having a very
>> good re-centering action. I find when I shift to a harder gear (I have
>> SunRace 8 and Microshift 9) that I have to nudge the lever back a little
>> bit to settle the pulleys under the cog..like it overshifts a bit, then
>> doesn't snap back. Shimano bar-ends do it for you.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Microshift 8sp thumbie?

[Jim Bronson]

While I find the Microshifts less precise than the equivalent Shimano
shifters, I think in practice they work fine.  I've never had to "nudge the
pulley" as you say in order to upshift.  Occasionally a downshift requires
a bit more of a nudge, but it isn't frequent.  Most of the time I just use
them and don't think about it, as it should be with a shifter.

On the upside, I find the Microshift units are far more impervious to
copious quantities of sweat.  I live in Austin, Texas and I sweat a lot.
I've gummed up a couple of Shimano bar end shifters to the point that even
soaking them in turpentine or alcohol for a week would not free them up.
I've never had this problem with the Microshift units and I have 4 years
under my belt with the pair on my Road Standard.

Further to the OP's point, I would prefer to switch my Clem from friction
to 8sp indexed.  The Microshift model for the 8 speed indexed downtube
shifters is SL-D08.  Those should bolt right on the thumb mount.  Has
anyone seen those in the wild?

I did find the 8 speed bar-ends in the wild, I guess one could disembowel
one of those to change an existing 8 speed friction thumbie to indexed, and
then try to find a downtube in 9, 10, or 11 and use the bar end mounts for
one of those.

http://www.bikeman.com/LD0210.html?utm_source=GoogleBase_medium=GoogleBase_campaign=GoogleBase=CjwKCAjwhevaBRApEiwA7aT536as9fAcE_mIt8pOBvAq1pxLLdaTi0SglfBXUgbteR8uQv-xObI3QxoCBOAQAvD_BwE

Anyway, hope this helps someone.

-Jim

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> The SunRace and Microshift indexing both suffer from not having a very
> good re-centering action. I find when I shift to a harder gear (I have
> SunRace 8 and Microshift 9) that I have to nudge the lever back a little
> bit to settle the pulleys under the cog..like it overshifts a bit, then
> doesn't snap back. Shimano bar-ends do it for you.
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Re: [RBW] Outside article on CF

[Jim Bronson]

What about a carbon fiber frame with a steel fork?  You'd shore up the part
that arguably has the highest consequence were it to fail, but you could
still have all the manufacturing flexibility one gets with carbon fiber,
i.e., making frames in strange shapes and so forth.

Not to say I'd buy one, I'm happy with my fully steel bikes, but it seems
like it would improve on the safety of a bike that was otherwise mostly
carbon fiber.

-Jim

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Leslie  wrote:

> Given our perspectives on steel, carbon fiber, and bicycles, I thought
> this was a relevant article to share here:
>
> https://www.outsideonline.com/2311816/carbon-fiber-bike-accidents-lawsuits
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>
>
>
> -L
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Re: [RBW] Thought I'd share my Appaloosa

[Jim Bronson]

You did the 215 miles from Fairfax to Santa Rosa in one day loaded with
gear?  that seems like a lot...

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 10:27 PM nick b  wrote:

> After I got over my teenage fear of riding bikes and got back on one in my
> early 20's I found Rivendell on the internet and lusted over an Atlantis.
> About 10 years later I decided to just do it and I saved up and went for
> the Appaloosa since the Atlantis was so much more.  Little did I know the
> Atlantis would come out a few months later in a more affordable Taiwanese
> version but to be honest I prefer this (that blue is heavenly).  It's
> pretty much everything I hoped it would be.  Heavy, slow, comfortable, and
> beautiful with my neck placed to look at the scenery instead of my bike
> computer and the pavement directly in front of me (I have a bike for
> that...).  I took it on a 3 day tour up in Marin and Sonoma this weekend
> and it performed admirably.  I rode 215 miles from Fairfax to Santa Rosa
> (Russian River Brewing!), over to Bodega Bay where I slept for the night
> and dropped my gear.  The next day I rode unladen up to Cazadero and over
> King Ridge Road and then down the dirt road in Kruse Rhododendron State
> Preserve and back down the PCH to Bodega Bay.  The next day was down to
> Bolinas for lunch and then over Fairfax-Bolinas Road (where I saw a dude
> descending on an Atlantis) to my car.  The racks seem a bit overkill but
> every time I think about taking one off it loses functionality for me which
> is why I put them on.  I built it so that one day (and one day hopefully
> will) live on it.  Also riding though that area which I visited as a kid
> but am unfamiliar with as an adult was a treat.  Thought you all might like
> to see  it.  Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Randi Jo cap sizing question no response from customer service so asking here

[Jim Bronson]

Am I the only one who had to read the whole thread to figure out what we
were talking about?

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> No response from them for a couple days and I see no phone on the site so
> asking the Randi fans here:
>
> So I am 23" head size measurement on the money.
> Better to size up or size down since the bottom/top measurement of each is
> 23"?
> What is your experience?
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Re: [RBW] OT: handwriting recognition app for iPad or Mac

[Jim Bronson]

Office Lens?

(requires a Microsoft account)

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 11:06 AM 'Deacon Patrick Jones' via RBW Owners Bunch
 wrote:

> Any suggestions for an Apple ecosystem app that allows me to photograph
> pages of longhand (cursive) writing and transcribe that into text?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.com *
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Re: [RBW] Atlantis ~ 1999

[Jim Bronson]

What's the orange thing around your lower bottle and the downtube?  Keeps
it from rattling?

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 11:36 AM frankie garcia 
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> Happy second owner of this beaut. Adding berthoud saddle and dirt drops
> soon. Can’t wait.
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Jim Bronson]

I missed the other post, but surely nobody could be upset about vulgarity
towards a man who brags about how he grabs 'em in the, well, you know.

Cycling content:  I wish the President's motorcade would drive by me when I
was riding my Rivendell so I could also flip him off like that lady in DC.

If someone finds that upsetting, they can lick the bottom side of my bottom
bracket.

-Jim

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 8:17 AM hugh flynn  wrote:

> Well, I think we’re missing the larger point and that is that Richard was
> upset that someone used course and vulgar language in reference to the
> President when clearly the use of course and vulgar language is reserved
> for the President hisself.
>
> Imagine how upset Richard must have been about the way the current
> President spoke about the last President before the current President was
> the President.
>
> Hugh “standards are like Rivendell top tubes on larger sized bikes” Flynn
> Newburyport, MA
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 6:57 AM Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 07/01/2018 11:21 PM, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> I personally have no use to be united with someone who agrees with the 
>> policy of committing human rights violations.
>>
>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
>> There are two main areas of disagreement here: those who disagree with
>> overtly political content on a cycling mailing list and so object to this
>> thread, and those who support the policy in question and object to its
>> being objected to here.  To those in the former camp, I say this: it's not
>> a cycling list per se, it's a list about Rivendell and historically Grant's
>> writing about a subject *even though it's not cycling per se* has made
>> it within the scope of the list.  Subjects such as Paleo diet and hatchets
>> leave no doubt whatever about this in my mind.  So if you don't like the
>> topic being discussed here, blame Grant or get over it and find a more
>> "pure" list.
>>
>> As for the other group, those who support policies of committing human
>> rights violations and dislike seeing them criticized here, I say this: piss
>> off.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] J.P. Weigle For Sale

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If I had bought this bike, I would have gloated also!

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 11:13 AM John G.  wrote:

> Not to gloat, but I am delighted to have snagged this. Perfect size for
> me. I’ll need to move a bike on, but this should be a great brevet bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: J.P. Weigle For Sale

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If someone bought it from this group, it found a new home in roughly 20
minutes.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:10 AM S. Greco  wrote:

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> This Weigle has found a new home.
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[RBW] Other annoying threads

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Since the non-political thread seems to be so irritating to people, what
other bike related topics do you find irritating?

For me it's old parts that provide no real benefit over new parts, but it's
supposed to be awesome.  I mean sometimes the old stuff is great.  I miss
shiny silver parts.

But the next person who tells me that a 7 speed freewheel is the bees
knees, well, they can bite me.

signed
MOAR GEASR!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thanks Grant

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I just read all the posts in this thread and it seems there is more arguing
whether this thread is or isn't about politics, than there is actual
political discussion.

Riv content:  I own three Rivendells.

On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 8:16 PM Drw  wrote:

> I really don’t understand how this is considered political. Japanese
> internment camps are atrocities now. Maybe they were political when they
> were happening. If your child was taken from you, would that feel
> political? Or worse, if you were a child and had your parents taken away
> from you, would that be political? If brown immigrants are treated one way
> and white ones another, is that politicalor do we call that something
> else.
>
> Trump now agrees with us, so the political parties are aligned in the fact
> that this is disgusting, but you have to wonder about the people who didn’t
> think it was disgusting 24hrs ago and why. I would call that political.
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Re: [RBW] Randonneuring on Rivendells

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Fenders.  I forgot, Fenders Fenders Fenders at all times.  Running the
cream Longboards I got from RBW 5 years ago, still.

If I encounter riders without fenders in the rain I try to get away from
them, by speeding up if I can, or slowing down if I must.  I've gotten sick
from eating other riders road grime in the rain before and don't care to
repeat the experience.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 9:53 PM Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I have ridden 23,000 km of brevets on my older Road Standard/Custom.  And
> a couple hundred KM on my Redwood.  I'm now running 650b with Loup Loup
> Pass, Tektro R559 brakes, Pacenti PL23 rims.  44/28 up front and 11-32 in
> the back.  46cm Noodles, Tektro levers, Microshift 10 speed bar ends.
> Carradice Barley in the back.  I have a SON Deluxe Widebody and would not
> dream of running night time rando rides without it.  Light is one of the
> Busch and Mueller LEDs that has 80 lux, fork crown mounted.  I keep a
> battery powered light in the trunk bag for emergencies only.
>
> I have dreamed for a long time to have a full custom 650B purpose built
> rando bike, but it has of yet gotten high enough on my priority list to get
> done.  I would like a titanium Tournasol PBP model.  Maybe someday.  For
> now my current bike is a pretty swell steed and it's pretty free of vices,
> other than rust.
>
> I have to admit my rando riding has tapered off quite a bit since I became
> a father but maybe in a few years I can get back riding full series and
> such.  For now I'm happy just to get out and do a populaire.
>
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 8:28 PM lambbo  wrote:
>
>> How many people here are active randonneurs and ride their Rivendells?
>> What is your set-up? Are your priorities fenders or tire size? Do you run
>> battery or dynamo?  What size bag do you carry if you have one? Does
>> anything change from 200K to 600 or 1200K on your rig?  Pictures
>> appreciated (because...it's an addiction).
>>
>> My Roadini is most comfortable on Jack Browns but I missed a 300K because
>> I didn't want to ride 12 hours in heavy rain without them. Now I have 28s
>> and fenders, which is fine but not the same cushion on the longer rides
>> (I'll survive). I have dynamo on my Cheviot and love it for commuting, but
>> am hesitant to invest just for 4 rides a year when batteries work fine.
>> Small Saddle-Sack.  I love my setup, I'm really just curious what other
>> people are doing with their Rivendells on Brevets.
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Re: [RBW] Randonneuring on Rivendells

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I have ridden 23,000 km of brevets on my older Road Standard/Custom.  And a
couple hundred KM on my Redwood.  I'm now running 650b with Loup Loup Pass,
Tektro R559 brakes, Pacenti PL23 rims.  44/28 up front and 11-32 in the
back.  46cm Noodles, Tektro levers, Microshift 10 speed bar ends.
Carradice Barley in the back.  I have a SON Deluxe Widebody and would not
dream of running night time rando rides without it.  Light is one of the
Busch and Mueller LEDs that has 80 lux, fork crown mounted.  I keep a
battery powered light in the trunk bag for emergencies only.

I have dreamed for a long time to have a full custom 650B purpose built
rando bike, but it has of yet gotten high enough on my priority list to get
done.  I would like a titanium Tournasol PBP model.  Maybe someday.  For
now my current bike is a pretty swell steed and it's pretty free of vices,
other than rust.

I have to admit my rando riding has tapered off quite a bit since I became
a father but maybe in a few years I can get back riding full series and
such.  For now I'm happy just to get out and do a populaire.

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 8:28 PM lambbo  wrote:

> How many people here are active randonneurs and ride their Rivendells?
> What is your set-up? Are your priorities fenders or tire size? Do you run
> battery or dynamo?  What size bag do you carry if you have one? Does
> anything change from 200K to 600 or 1200K on your rig?  Pictures
> appreciated (because...it's an addiction).
>
> My Roadini is most comfortable on Jack Browns but I missed a 300K because
> I didn't want to ride 12 hours in heavy rain without them. Now I have 28s
> and fenders, which is fine but not the same cushion on the longer rides
> (I'll survive). I have dynamo on my Cheviot and love it for commuting, but
> am hesitant to invest just for 4 rides a year when batteries work fine.
> Small Saddle-Sack.  I love my setup, I'm really just curious what other
> people are doing with their Rivendells on Brevets.
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Re: [RBW] Model(s) going away

[Jim Bronson]

Where does one find this newsletter?  I usually get physical mailings from
RBW but haven't seen one since the most recent catalog.

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 7:58 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The newsletter pretty unambiguously declared the MIT Hilsen is replacing
> the Hillborne, so there will be no more Sam Hillbornes. The newsletter also
> said a little bit more ambiguously that Clem’s are going to end. For the
> year or forever wasn’t clearly stated, but it said the last of the cheap
> Rivs. Those who were calling for streamlining are getting it.
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Re: [RBW] Huge Rosco Mixte

[Jim Bronson]

"The thread that won't die!!"

I suppose all the huge Rosco Mixtes and 64 Clem Ls have been spoken for?

I regret not getting one, it would have made my iBert usable when my kid
was around a year.  As it was, it was hard to get on the bike with my 65
Clem H the iBert was mounted.  I tried it on my older Road Standard and it
was near impossible.

Now I have a Burley Bee trailer for carrying the kid and it's fine, but, I
can see how the step through frames are very useful with a front load.  For
a long time I didn't want to believe it, but now I can see it.

Anyway, carry on.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 2:28 PM MartyG  wrote:

> Pre-ordered one of the big ones! Can't see a single compromise to this
> being a real winner - unless you call waiting until summer for delivery a
> compromise. Looks to be an all-grown-up all-rounder if there ever was one.
>
> Can't wait to see pics. And color. And a delivery notice.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Austin Ride Recommendations from Downtown?

[Jim Bronson]

Ok never mind, I can see that you're here now.

If you don't want an organized tour, the hike and bike trail is a good
east-west route.

If you want a north-south route I'd try the City of Austin Bike Route 31.
(downtown only)
https://austintexas.gov/sites/default/files/files/Transportation/2017_Austin_Bike_Map_-_Side_2.pdf
(city wide)
https://austintexas.gov/sites/default/files/files/Transportation/2017_Austin_Bike_Map_-_Side_1.pdf
(interactive/ArcGIS)
https://austin.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=c7fecf32a2d946fabdf062285d58d40c=3052120.7123%2C10036958.1486%2C3179054.0456%2C10097891.4819%2C102739

hope this is helpful!

-Jim


On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:40 AM Jim Bronson  wrote:

> This place is run by a friend of mine, I recommend it over a b-cycle,
> which aren't much fun to ride if you ask me.
>
> http://mikesbikesandtours.com/
>
> When are you coming?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:34 AM Mike Packard  wrote:
>
>> I agree, the best short ride near downtown is the granite and boardwalk
>> trails on Ladybird Lake. Mostly stay on the south side of the lake, the
>> path has several breaks in it on the north side. It gets less crowded as
>> you ride east toward Roy G Guerrero Park.
>>
>> There are several other places to rent nicer bikes than b-cycle, e.g.
>> http://www.austinbiketoursandrentals.com/contact/
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 7:36:05 AM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>>>
>>> Should've asked this a week ago, but now that I'm here, wondering if
>>> there's any Austin-ites(?) on this list that could recommend some rides
>>> from downtown Austin, that are tolerable on an Austin-Bcycle. The b-cycles
>>> are subpar compared to what I'm used to in a bikeshare bike, but they'll
>>> get me around. I'm flying out tomorrow evening, so have an hour here/there
>>> for some short rides.
>>> Thanks!
>>> David
>>> currently enjoying local coffee (Cuvee) in Austin, TX
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Re: [RBW] Re: Austin Ride Recommendations from Downtown?

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This place is run by a friend of mine, I recommend it over a b-cycle, which
aren't much fun to ride if you ask me.

http://mikesbikesandtours.com/

When are you coming?



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> I agree, the best short ride near downtown is the granite and boardwalk
> trails on Ladybird Lake. Mostly stay on the south side of the lake, the
> path has several breaks in it on the north side. It gets less crowded as
> you ride east toward Roy G Guerrero Park.
>
> There are several other places to rent nicer bikes than b-cycle, e.g.
> http://www.austinbiketoursandrentals.com/contact/
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 7:36:05 AM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>>
>> Should've asked this a week ago, but now that I'm here, wondering if
>> there's any Austin-ites(?) on this list that could recommend some rides
>> from downtown Austin, that are tolerable on an Austin-Bcycle. The b-cycles
>> are subpar compared to what I'm used to in a bikeshare bike, but they'll
>> get me around. I'm flying out tomorrow evening, so have an hour here/there
>> for some short rides.
>> Thanks!
>> David
>> currently enjoying local coffee (Cuvee) in Austin, TX
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Re: [RBW] Hot waxing chains?

[Jim Bronson]

  'I feel good about it and doing it raises me to a higher level of
eccentricity among my friends."

Ok, I literally laughed out loud.

I thought I was the only person who enjoyed such feelings ;)

Oh and I use wet lube if anyone cares.

Jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

[Jim Bronson]

Why stop with brakes?  Maybe Riv should just have one model, all things for
all people right?  Your choice whether you want to run 23 mm tires or 63 mm
tires!  One frame tubing spec, one wheel size, for all!  Any color you
want, as long as it is grilliver?

/sarcasm

I agree with the poster that said it would reduce sales.  Some people
prefer a bike with sidepulls, if Riv did not have them, they'd be likely to
go elsewhere.  A Roadeo or a Roadini is a very different animal than the
Atlantis and Appaloosa and thusly different part types accommodated.

Then there's the other point of model overlap.  If Riv wants to have
different models in a similar space what's it to the OP?  Is this some kind
of reaction to the cash flow problems over the wintertime?

I mean, the big manufacturers not only differentiate by model, but then
also by build groupsets, wheels and so forth.  So outfits like Trek, Giant
and Specialized have a byzantine array of models to offer.  In light of
this I don't think having some model overlap in Riv models is a problem, I
mean, the big OEMs have a huge amount of overlap when you consider the
difference between some of these models is as little as 100 grams when
talking about 105 vs Ultegra, etc.

Here's something I ripped from Trek's site about just the various kind of
uses they are thinking about addressing.  And Rivendell has too much
overlap?







On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> We should also remember that it was Grant that convinced Tektro to start
> producing the R559 (aka "Silver") caliper with it's 55-76mm reach and
> clearance for ~38mm tires and fenders, and this brake was basically the
> raison d'etre for the first A. Homer Hilsens. So it makes sense that he
> would keep speccing it on that bike.
>
>
> On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 10:24:13 AM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>>
>> Looking at the new Homer vs. new (canti/V) Sam, the question popped up in
>> my mind, why bother with side pull and center pull brakes any longer?
>> Aesthetics?  And if so, are the aesthetics of canti/V *that *offensive
>> to some?  Is there some technical reason?  I'm asking because I'm truly
>> interested what others think, and don't know why *I* would choose a bike
>> with side/center pulls over canti/V's, all else the same.
>>
>> If Riv, in an effort to reduce redundancy, and *if* it allowed them to
>> offer more different models (I don't know that it would, just guessing),
>> determined that all future bikes will be offered only with canti/V posts,
>> is there anyone that would be significantly miffed?  The new catalog almost
>> seems hard pressed to justify *significant* differences in Homer/Sam,
>> Atlantis/Joe.
>>
>> It seems that most on this forum at least, and Riv, are in the bigger
>> tire with fender camp.  I've never read a post about someone wishing for
>> less room for tires and fenders.  The majority tend not to be weight
>> weenies, or at least keep 1 featherweight in their stable for racing, but
>> like their other frames for other reasons.  I don't know if we on this
>> forum are in the majority of all Riv owners, but by looking at the
>> more-decked-out-than-my-Riv "New Bike Saturday" pictures on Riv's
>> instagram, I'm guessing weight is their last concern
>>
>> In general, I would prefer Riv offer either a Homer or a Sam, and either
>> an Atlantis or a Joe.  I'm making a big assumption that doing so would be
>> financially better, but for some reason it might not be.  Anyway, pick the
>> best of each and introduce Homer Hillborne and Joe Atlantis (kidding, but
>> you know what I mean) Each would offer 650b options in the mid sizes and
>> only canti/V brakes.
>>
>> And, after ridding itself of those 2 redundancies, inject 1 or 2 new
>> bikes into the mix that are not loaded tourers or country bikes.  I'm no
>> business major, but seems to me that redundant models of bikes isn't far
>> off from the GM failed strategy of offering basically the same car but
>> calling one a Buick X vs. a Pontiac Y vs. a Olds Z, and we know where that
>> ended up.
>>
>> I just want Riv to succeed in a big way.  I so love their bikes.  So, I
>> started thinking, in a curious way, if it were me, what would I do
>> differently?  Starting with only canti/V brakes and some 650b options in
>> all/most models might be a place to start.  Curious about others thoughts.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTT :: 68cm Quickbeam for Huge Rosco Mixte

[Jim Bronson]

Where have I been?  When did Riv produce a huge Rosco?

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Amit Singh  wrote:

> Clem Low = Thumbs Up ! :)
>
> I like the wheely long wheelbase ... oh gawd. I'm becoming a corny dad
> already.
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 9:00:44 PM UTC-7, Kainalu V. wrote:
>>
>> The huge Rosco is an amazing bike, as is a 68 Quickbeam, best of luck
>> finding a trade. Curious how you feel about the big Clem low, not that I've
>> got one to trade, but what makes you want the Rosco step through
>> specifically? I've got a 65 Clem high and the Rosco, I take my kids on
>> both. The Rosco can do anything, there's no argument that it's the greatest
>> bike ever made for us upper outliers. It's good looking and better riding.
>> But, for kid hauling specifically, the Clem's even longer wheelbase is
>> phenomenal. So my advice (not that you're asking) is get that Rosco!, but
>> should that not work out, the Clem's there waiting.
>> Parenting rules! Enjoy.
>> -Kai
>> BKNY
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Pressure Question

[Jim Bronson]

I ran 700x23 Michelin Pro 2/3/4 Race Service Course at 120psi for years,
never had any rim failures directly attributable to that.  I had a sidewall
failure once but i booted the hole with a $20 bill and made it home
alright.  These were for a go-fast bike I don't have anymore, that had
tight clearance with 23mm tires!  I was thinner then, more in the 230-250
range.

Back on topic...I run 700x38 Barlow Pass standard sidewalls (I know, a
little bigger than you asked) on my Redwood at 50psi front, 55psi rear.
Rider weight 300+.  I don't know exactly how much the + is because I don't
weigh myself that much.  I'm sure my performance on the 74 mile ride I'm
doing on Saturday will let me know.

Jim
Austin, TX

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 1:10 PM, Peter White  wrote:

> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:26 PM,  wrote:
>
>> If you don't have enough familiarity to decide this on your own, it
>> always says on the side of the tire.  Not trying to be snarky.
>
>
> The pressures shown on the sidewalls of most tires are way too high. I've
> seen 23mm tires rated to 120psi. Sure, the tire may stay on the rim, but
> there's no reason to run them that hard. And it can lead to premature
> failure of the rim.
>
> On my Rambuillet, I use the Challenge Parigi Roubaix which have a stated
> width of 27mm, but measure 29mm when new, and 30mm after a few hundred
> miles. I weigh 170lbs and run them at 60psi front and 75psi rear. I have
> arthritis in my spine and if I'm feeling a bit sore, I'll drop the PSI by
> about 10.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 60cm Cheviot

[Jim Bronson]

I thought for sure if he had posted it on eBay and CL he would ask for a
higher price than here and wanted to avoid the embarrassment, but no, it's
posted at the same price on CL and less on eBay.  I don't understand, but
ok.  He'd be better off selling it here, since we are all Rivendell
aficionados, but whatever.

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 7:37 AM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:

> Lol... No, you are right both ways!
>
> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/bik/d/60cm-rivendell-
> cheviot-frame/6590861460.html
>
> I had not followed your link to see it went to EBay, just saw the comment.
>
>
> I think a good deal for someone, especially with the parts included,
> wanting to experiment and have a great riding bike.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 7:32:22 AM UTC-5, Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I meant to say Ebay not CL.  Thanks, Bob.
>>
>> FWIW I still would like to know what's under that sticker above the
>> headbadge!
>>
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Re: [RBW] My First Rivendell

[Jim Bronson]

Are those Paselas that your fine Rambouillet is shorn with?

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Tommy Patterson 
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I bought my first Rivendell used at a small shop in western NC a month
> back and I love it! The price was too good to be true ($850!?!) and after a
> few hundred in consumable parts (tires, drivetrain, bar tape) and setting
> it up to my liking it is riding great. I understand why y'all love these
> bikes to much.
>
> I have a general question to those that might know a thing or two about bb
> length for rambouillets. The BB that is in there feels wide to me and I
> have ample crank arm clearance. I have not pulled it out to measure, but I
> am curious if a standard road width would fit this bike. I have 175 Sugino
> cranks and could like to reduce my q-factor so I don't feel like I am
> pedaling bowlegged. Any advice or experience would be helpful.
>
> Attached are a few photos of the day I bought the bike (with a genuine
> smile), its current iteration, and the crank-arm clearance. I'm riding a
> century on it tomorrow, wish me luck.
>
> Cheers,
> Tommy
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Re: [RBW] IRD 8-speed [13-40] Wide Range Cassette

[Jim Bronson]

When choosing a wide range casette - I would look at percentage jumps
rather than tooth jumps.  The 17 to 21 jump sounds like a pretty big one,
percentage wise speaking.  A 4 tooth jump is much larger in the higher
gears than the lower gears, percentage wise.  $0.02 and YMMV.

I also echo the thoughts of others to go more speeds if you're going
wider.  I switched to 10 speed, using SRAM 12-32 currently with a 44-28
wide low double.  That seems to be a good compromise for me.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 1:14 PM, jandrews_nyc 
wrote:

> Greetings,
> Curious if anyone here has any experience using this cassette.
> I'm currently using the 12-34 version, which is pleasantly spaced like
> this:  [12-13-15-18-21-24-28-34].  The jumps go 1,2,3,3,3,4,6.
> I'm interested in the 13-40 version, with has some odd-sounding spacing..
>  . [13-15-17-21-25-28-34-40].  The jumps go 2,2,4,4,3,6,6.
> I am happy the 8-speed setup on my SH and I don't really want to replace a
> bunch of parts.  I think I can swap out that cassette and maybe add a
> RoadLink
> 
> and be good to go.
> Hoping to hear some direct user experience before purchasing.
> Thanks
> Jason
>
>
> http://www.interlocracing.com/cassettes-freewheels/8-speed-
> elite-road-cassette-shimano-compatible
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Re: [RBW] Quick & cheap solution to clear the front derailleur clamp to mount a bottle cage

[Jim Bronson]

I've never had a water bottle mount interfere with a derailer mount.
Perhaps this is a feature of smaller frames?  My Rivendells are 68, 68 and
65 cm.

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 10:03 AM, tc  wrote:

> I wish Riv, and other companies, would ship their bikes with longer bottle
> cage bolts and spacers to enable one to mount a cage (or whatever) so it
> will clear/span the front derailleur clamp.  (They do know it's there...).
> And, to be fair, maybe all bottle cage manufacturers could design cages
> with mounting tabs that would stick out enough to clear derailleur clamps
> :)  Anyway, my Velo Orange "Retro" bottle cage has a perfectly flat
> mounting area, so I needed a solution.
>
> I saw that Problem Solvers provides a bolt+spacer solution ... so
> obviously this is common enough to warrant some company selling a
> work-around.  As I thought it might be over-priced, but more importantly
> because I wanted to get on with it and ride, my solution was to:
> - Go to Performance Bike 10 min away and get two M5 x 0.8 x 20mm socket
> head stainless bolts (free ... they had a jillion in a plastic jug of diff
> lengths)
> - Go to Home Depot 5 min from there and get two packs of four M5 stainless
> flat washers (a little over $1 for both packs total).  They had no suitable
> 4mm-ish spacers
> - Stack 4 washers behind each mounting hole in the the bottle cage so as
> to space it out and just clear the protruding derailleur clamp
>
> Including the driving and looking for stuff, I was good to go in about 45
> min from initial head-scratching.  From 5 feet away, you have to look
> really hard to discern the diff between washers and single spacer.  Of
> course the bottle hides everything when it's in the cage.
>
>
> 
>
>
> Anyway, I'm sure others have some up with similar solutions.  This is my
> quick, cheap solution - hope it helps somebody.  I probably need to look
> for a bike-oriented metric fastener|washer|spacer "kit" somewhere.  I tend
> not to need anything metric except for bikes, so I haven't built up a bin
> full of this stuff yet.
>
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

[Jim Bronson]

Good point Tim.  If I knew an automated car was programmed to stop for a
cyclist regardless of the overall traffic situation, it would be more
tempting to seize the initiative to cross the intersection before it did.
Not that I would, but anyway.

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Tim Butterfield 
wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:40 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> There it is. https://twitter.com/FortuneMagazine/status/97609980166952140
>> 9?s=19
>
>
> Hmmm.  It may not be in this case, but I have a sad premonition that
> people playing with/around self-driving cars may become an extreme sport.
> What can someone do and get away with without getting hurt?  Maybe a
> version of parkour over Uber or mountain biking over them.
>
> Tim
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