[RBW] Unexpected Hits on through the knothole
I am a big fan of all save the Moustache Bars. I know and fully respect many of you love the MBs. I could never get comfortable with them. The Albatross Bars and Splats on the other hand! Silver shifters are probably as good as if not better than Simplex Retrofriction if not quite as cool looking. I have the cook set and love it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: On shipping bike parts to our two finest states
Which why they wouldn't in Chicago but will in St Louis is confusing. Being able to track the shipment and such has worked well. UPS will deliver to the door in Chicago. But they do so only Monday through Friday and between around 8:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. Monday in my neighborhood. UPS will not leave packages unless someone is there to open the door and sign for them. Meaning I have to take the day off. As much as I love (not!) hanging around the apartment all day for UPS to show up, my work prefers my being there. On Feb 20, 9:41 am, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: I for one have had great success with UPS. They deliver to my door. Which why they wouldn't in Chicago but will in St Louis is confusing. Being able to track the shipment and such has worked well. I'm not really all that Pro or Con UPS just figured they are are better in my opinion than the basing they seem to be taking on this thread. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: On shipping bike parts to our two finest states
In Chicago at least, UPS is the third choice as they do not have evening, weekend delivery options and their inconveniently located facility is open only during weekday business hours. FedEx Home Delivery offers both (at a cost, but still). USPS of course has a key to get into condo buildings even if there is no door person. For delivery with signature requirements, there is a post office facility for every zip code with Saturday hours. Sure, I can route UPS deliveries to work. But being a bike only commuter, there are limits to the size of package I can receive there. And frankly, I prefer not having to use company mail room personnel to receive my purchases. With on line shopping rapidly becoming the largest retail sector, I hope UPS catches up with working peoples' needs. On Feb 19, 12:20 pm, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Grant For us east-coasters, would it be possible to at least offer the option of USPS? It's not a matter of cost as much as speed, at least for me, though it seems like anything I order costs $15 to ship, regardless, and paying for express shipping us a deal-killer. The real killer us that UPS is seven full days from CA to CT. That means if I decide I want or need something on a weekend and order it online, it ships that Monday but I don't even receive it in time for the next weekend, as it arrives the Monday after the Monday it ships. USPS is usually about 3 days coast to coast for reasonable size things. Just a thought. I'd like to buy more from Riv but I'm an instant gratification kind of guy! Pete On Feb 18, 7:00 pm, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: UPS charges us $8.08 for under-a-pound boxes to major metropolitan areas in California. If you live in a van down by the river, it costs (us) more. A typical box weight here is 5 pounds. To the midwest, it costs (us) about $11. Alaska and Hawaii cost more, for sure. I wish we could get around UPS, but the other companies (FedX, USPS) either charge more or don't have tracking. Plus, the shippers are now super close buddies with Barry, our UPS guy, and even if FEDX got cheaper, it would take quite the Venezuelan FedX account manageress to get Robert and Vaughn to voluntarily, willingly, switch from UPS. It's not impossible, but unlikely. Our flat rate of $8 is below our cost, but in my head I'm still a 13- year old ordering from L.L. Bean and paying nothing. Still, we may have to raise rates. The thing of it is, we don't sell anything ending in a 9, and that's what a dollar increase would be. Another dollar, and it's into the double-digits, which seems a lot higher. Eight is magic here, for now. G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Paul Jono Hub
Why start at 121 spacing and not 120? Wondered that myself. Probably has something to do with the unique design requirements. There should not be any problems with fitting a 121 hub on a 120 bike anyway. I certainly have no need for these hubs at the moment. They are fascinating and I am somewhat tempted to buy one just to fool with it. (and have no doubt - if you ever watched me working on my bikes you would call it fooling!) On Feb 17, 8:38 pm, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: Why start at 121 spacing and not 120? If 130 and 135 are options then it isn't a question of that extra mm used to get to 126mm from 125. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Everything's Perfect....I'ma touchin NOTHIN!
Axion #1 If you don't know how to put something back together, don't take it apart. An axiom I am fundamentally unable to follow ;) On Feb 17, 8:20 pm, jim phillips thefamil...@hotmail.com wrote: Oh, one other thing I meant to say. I have a set of axioms I have come upon regarding this topic. Axion #1 If you don't know how to put something back together, don't take it apart. best, JimP From: orthie...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 20:16:49 -0600 Subject: Re: [RBW] Everything's PerfectI'ma touchin NOTHIN! To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com For how long will you be able to refrain from touching something on this bike? :-) Zen on!!! René Sent from my iPhone 4 On Feb 17, 2011, at 8:01 PM, jim phillips thefamil...@hotmail.com wrote: All right!! Congratulations! best, Jim Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:05:29 -0800 Subject: [RBW] Everything's PerfectI'ma touchin NOTHIN! From: angusle...@sbcglobal.net To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com My name is Angus and I am a tinkerer. I can't leave well enough alone. I'm constantly trying to make everything better (although it doesn't always work out that way). Nothing is perfect...everything always needs improving. Many people may think this is sad...but I've come to accept it. I'm kinda happy with it actually. Last weekend I took the 13 year old All-Rounder for a ride (the Albatross bar equipped All-Rounder is my stiff back bike) http://www.flickr.com/photos/16951387@N08/4739416729/ Something clicked...everything worked well: brakes, shifting, handling...everything. I realized I haven't had to fiddle with anything on this bike in months; nothing felt funny, shifters seemed happy with the derailleurs, brakes were easy to use, modulated well, didn't squeal and stayed centered, position was great, nothing made funny noises WHOA! This hasn't happened before. Everything's Perfect...I'ma touching NOTHIN! Angus Who dreams of one day getting his other bicycles to this level of zen like harmony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Paul Jono Hub
No problem. I presume you're a lightweight as I broken 3 rear axles, including 2 Campy and 1 wheel mfg, in about a 2 year period when I decided to switch to cassette rear hub. That was back in 1997 and I haven't broken an axle yet. May be it was the C-Record rear hub design, bad luck with axles or may be my fat butt. Whatever the reason, in the last 12+ years, I've used DA and Campy rear hubs and NEVER had a problem. While adult male weights have gone up over the past 40 years, they have not gone up to the point where one can say that freewheel axles are always at risk. That said, C-Record FW were notorius for their weak axles. Paul is not Campagnolo. All things being equal, cassettes should be the first choice for a new frame. The Jono is by design for people either restoring an old frame of making a new wheel for an old frame they do not want to alter to fit wider cassette hubs. Time will tell, but given my experience with other Paul products, I expect the Jono will fill this role admirably. On Feb 17, 10:46 am, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 15, 6:36 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Interesting. Is that an oversized axle? If not, does anyone know how he addresses the broken axle issue with freewheel hubs. Good Luck! Yeah thanks. Cause everyone knows in the 40 years or so that freewheel hubs were the default cyclists couldn't go half a mile with a broken axle. Sheesh! No problem. I presume you're a lightweight as I broken 3 rear axles, including 2 Campy and 1 wheel mfg, in about a 2 year period when I decided to switch to cassette rear hub. That was back in 1997 and I haven't broken an axle yet. May be it was the C-Record rear hub design, bad luck with axles or may be my fat butt. Whatever the reason, in the last 12+ years, I've used DA and Campy rear hubs and NEVER had a problem. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Great Quote
Commuted to work at midnight. Talk about a pleasant stress free ride. No cars on the road, didn't have to worry about traffic lights just me and my thoughts. Yeah. Night riding is such a delight. On Feb 16, 10:33 am, grrlyrida grrlyr...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the quote. It's so appropriate to my life right now. Commuted to work at midnight. Talk about a pleasant stress free ride. No cars on the road, didn't have to worry about traffic lights just me and my thoughts. Even when it started to rain it didn't bother me. This is coming from an individual who hates driving in the rain. Cycling to work is the best part of the work day for me. Putting it on my iphone signature now. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:14 PM, CCX chive...@gmail.com wrote: When the spirits are low, when the day appears dark, when work becomes monotonous, when hope hardly seems worth having, just mount a bicycle and go out for a spin down the road, without thought on anything but the ride you are taking. Sherlock Holmes, 1896 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood IRD FW hub and/or Shimano freewheel experiences?
Oh, and I'd never heard of that approach being implemented. But I've always felt I'd be happy with 6 speeds, if they I dexed well with quality available shifters. Agree. 6 speeds is plenty for most Illinois riding. On Feb 14, 9:57 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Oh, and I'd never heard of that approach being implemented. But I've always felt I'd be happy with 6 speeds, if they I dexed well with quality available shifters. Alas, I fear that any solution involving 6/9-speed-cassette usage is even more esoteric than an IRD freewheel. And, in the end, I think my next step, if I need to take one, is to drop the need for dishlessness and get a Phil cassette wheel. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Feb 14, 2011, at 9:06 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: Thomas, Out of curiosity, where are you riding that it is so cold? If it is that cold and wet you may or may not have problems with diferent free hubs freezing up as well, it can and has happened. Some manufacturers go as far as selling their own greases / oils partially for these reasons. If money were not the object, and wheel strentght is paramount, you could look into some of the mountain bike single speed hubs: King, Hope and DT all have single speed free hubs that will let you run the back 6 cogs of a 9sp casette. These hubs all can be built up dishless, and will index as well since it is a casette. Each has some pros and cons, like stee vs Al freehub bodies, color options or disc brake hole to ignore, but worth a look. If I burn out on freewheels that is the direction I am heading. Rob On Feb 14, 6:20 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: That strength-comparison is based on the axle being the weak component in the hub. With Phil hubs (and some others too, I'd guess) the axle is so over-built that even in the case of the freewheel the axle simply isn't likely to fail, even under the likes of me! So the idea is that uneven spoke tension rises to the top of the pile of compromises one would like to mitigate/eliminate in the built wheel. So reduced dish, as available with an IRD-style Phil FW hub when compared to a Phil cassette hub, becomes a more valuable component of the wheel than a strengthened axle. And yes, I have bent a Shimano axle and ruined a Deore hub that way. One of my failed wheels. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Feb 14, 2011, at 7:57 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Can you (or someone else) explain why this is so? I thought the whole point of the cassette hub design was greater strength because the axle is supported by bearings further out to the right. So what makes this fw hub stronger even than the Phil fw hub? That is what I have heard as well. Obviously I have no problem with FW hubs - I've never even owned a set of cassette hubs - but always thought maybe I was giving up some strength to the people riding on those new fangled thangs. On Feb 14, 5:59 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Generally, the 3-people-who-actually-know-these-things that I contacted all implied or stated outright that a wheel built around a Phil Wood IRD-style FW hub would be stronger than one built with a cassette hub, all else equal. Can you (or someone else) explain why this is so? I thought the whole point of the cassette hub design was greater strength because the axle is supported by bearings further out to the right. So what makes this fw hub stronger even than the Phil fw hub? I must admit that I am skeptical of this 3-person claim, but I am open to enlightenment. (Om ) As to Phil track hubs, I learned today that the bearings on my 2Xf fixed Phil are fine after almost 11K miles: the roughness was the not-fully-tightened spacer. Patrick no dish, no worries Moore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners
[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?
I like knowing the time of day My Bell Ross watch does an exemplary job with this. mileage, speed I have never used a bike specific computer. Over the years I have become pretty good at reckoning mileage and speed based on experience. The few times I have ridden with people who have computers they have verified I am pretty close. It also helps me navigate a bit, and I keep a log of rides and new routes. As most of us now have smart phones anyway, I recommend looking at some of the good mapping programs. Apple and Android have more than one available. I don't bother getting set up for commuting or day rides. For touring, smart phone maps come in handy. On Feb 15, 10:13 am, stevep33 steve...@gmail.com wrote: Computers. I like knowing the time of day, mileage, speed, etc. It also helps me navigate a bit, and I keep a log of rides and new routes. On Feb 15, 10:49 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: When I started randonneuring 4 years ago I got a wireless Cateye after not using a computer for years. After completing my 2009 brevet series I took it off. I rode my 2010 brevet series without a computer and was fine. I find the computer distracting and I'm just not interested in the information. --mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Computers? No computers?
i tried to use my iphone for this, but i found it bulky and awkward for running and i really wanted HRM integration. On the bike I put my smart phone in the handlebar bag. On Feb 15, 10:47 am, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: I know it's counter to the RBW spirit, but i do carry a GPS watch. I don't have a bike computer bolted on, but the GPS watch i use (garmin forerunner 305) is a running watch, but it also works on the bike (since it's GPS based and not pedometer). It talks to my HRM (more for health then for training), syncs to my computer for logging. And i can keep it in my bag if i don't want to stare at it on the handlebar. but i'm a data nut, but more just for logging and journaling, just curious about where i've been or overall times etc, not to improve my times or for training. i tried to use my iphone for this, but i found it bulky and awkward for running and i really wanted HRM integration. On Feb 15, 11:33 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I like knowing the time of day My Bell Ross watch does an exemplary job with this. mileage, speed I have never used a bike specific computer. Over the years I have become pretty good at reckoning mileage and speed based on experience. The few times I have ridden with people who have computers they have verified I am pretty close. It also helps me navigate a bit, and I keep a log of rides and new routes. As most of us now have smart phones anyway, I recommend looking at some of the good mapping programs. Apple and Android have more than one available. I don't bother getting set up for commuting or day rides. For touring, smart phone maps come in handy. On Feb 15, 10:13 am, stevep33 steve...@gmail.com wrote: Computers. I like knowing the time of day, mileage, speed, etc. It also helps me navigate a bit, and I keep a log of rides and new routes. On Feb 15, 10:49 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: When I started randonneuring 4 years ago I got a wireless Cateye after not using a computer for years. After completing my 2009 brevet series I took it off. I rode my 2010 brevet series without a computer and was fine. I find the computer distracting and I'm just not interested in the information. --mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Paul Jono Hub
Interesting. Is that an oversized axle? If not, does anyone know how he addresses the broken axle issue with freewheel hubs. Good Luck! Yeah thanks. Cause everyone knows in the 40 years or so that freewheel hubs were the default cyclists couldn't go half a mile with a broken axle. Sheesh! On Feb 15, 6:00 pm, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 15, 3:30 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Has anyone seen the new Paul Jono freewheel hub? MUSA and pretty clever and not even that pricey.http://www.paulcomp.com/jonohub.html With IRD making Freewheels again it is a workable alternate to the 10-11 speed world. I just love the new/old technology! Interesting. Is that an oversized axle? If not, does anyone know how he addresses the broken axle issue with freewheel hubs. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Paul Jono Hub
These would have come in handy on my Raleigh Supercourse restoration last summer. The hubs I planned to use were from a Supercourse made the same year as the frame I was working. Raleigh being Raleigh, the project frame chain stays were too narrow. I had to take the frame to the LBS and cold spread it. It would have been a lot more fun shrinking the hub. On Feb 15, 5:30 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Has anyone seen the new Paul Jono freewheel hub? MUSA and pretty clever and not even that pricey.http://www.paulcomp.com/jonohub.html With IRD making Freewheels again it is a workable alternate to the 10-11 speed world. I just love the new/old technology! ~Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood IRD FW hub and/or Shimano freewheel experiences?
Guess I ned to get out more as I had no idea there were IRD freewheel specific hubs. Seems counterintuitive to me. All my multigear bikes have freewheels as I use vintage hubs. While I have a pretty good store of NOS freewheels, I was happy to see IRD coming out with a new line of freewheels, as it at once assured supply and took pressure off the price of NOS freewheels. Riding on vintage hubs is not for everyone. There are plenty of us out there, however. Not surprisingly really, as a well maintained hub can last many years. Much as I like my vintage freewheel hubs, the need for a new freewheel hubs escapes me. Cassette freewheels are in fact easier to use and maintain. Seems to me those buying new but not wanting 10 or 11 cogs in the back would be better served looking for nos 7 - 9 cog cassettes to put on a modern cassett hub than buying an all new freewheel set up. On Feb 14, 7:51 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: The difference between the touring and IRD as far as I know is in the spacers or endcaps, this was published somewhere in the iBOB archives in the last two years. As for the specs from phil, they are in a slow process of fixing their published data, call them and they are great on the phone. The threading is the same, english standard. If you freewheel is truly binding, that is weird. is it rubbing anywhere, back of the freewheel against the hub flange? or at the stays? As for break in there should not need to be much, unsless you again have frozen grease problems. Rob On Feb 13, 11:50 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi. It seems that Phil Wood has created a hub specifically to be used with the IRD freewheel. I think it has to do with the IRD freewheel's sprockets being spaced more closely than, say, the Shimano freewheel's. Or maybe there are other differences as well. In any case, there is some significant difference in something. For when I put the RBW-sold Shimano freewheel on my hub, it does not coast freely at all. Now, maybe there's supposed to be a break-in period. But I don't think that's what this is. The IRD freewheels I've used had no similar issues when first installed. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Feb 13, 2011, at 6:31 PM, omnigrid omnig...@gmail.com wrote: Phil Wood IRD hub? I think you maybe confused. IRD is a company or brand. On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 5:54 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I have no experience at all with IRD. On my camper bike I use a Shimano Megarange FW. On my more sporting bike I have a Suntour Winner. Picked up both from the eBay NOS store. No problems with either. On Feb 13, 4:45 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hello, all! Does anyone have any experience using the Shimanopore freewheel on a Phil Wood IRD 7-speed freewheel hub? Does anyone have any experience using the Shimanopore freewheel with a normal (i.e. non-IRD) 7- speed freewheel hub? I've had to replace three IRD 7-speed freewheels in 7 months. The first one (13-28) lasted a couple thousand miles but then started to fail to catch within a reasonable amount of rotation. The next one (non-mega 13-32) didn't work at all; the small cog was broken. The next one (non-mega 13-32) lasted only a few hundred miles before starting to freeze (introducing top-of-the-stay slack) and then, within a week or so, began to fail to catch like the first one. It had just gotten cold when the first one failed. It has just been *really* cold when the third one failed. I don't know if that's related. If these freewheels typically last only a couple thousand mikes, I'll be disappointed but I'll deal. If there's an alternative freewheel like the Shimano I'll use those. If fteewheels are just this inconsistent and I can't find an alternative freewheel arrangement, I'll switch to a cassette system ASAP and move on. Anybody have any insights / info / suggestions? Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood IRD FW hub and/or Shimano freewheel experiences?
I've been informed by a person with direct experience (to say the least) that I could expect a 6-speed Suntour Winner or Winner Pro or a 7-speed Suntour Winner compact freewheel to work on my wheel. I second the advice if this works for you. I have Winner Pros and am very happy with them. On Feb 14, 1:11 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! Well... okay. It's just that the Shimano freewheel I purchased from RBW doesn't work on my wheel, which has a hub that is nominally for an IRD freewheel. There was plenty of room between the stay and the small cog. I didn't cross-thread it or anything. It screwed on (and off, thank goodness) cleanly. It just turned clunkily under any power. And the chain rested on the chain stay when coasting. It wasn't completely frozen. But obviously it wasn't functioning properly. And since all I did was screw it on, I don't think there's anything else I could have done that would make it function properly. I guess there are many ways in which Shimano and IRD are substitutes for one another. Just not on my wheel. I'm having deja vu... I once posted about my Sugino XD2 crank being incompatible with my 107mm Velo-Orange bottom bracket (which I measured, just to be sure). The several still-believed-by-me testimonials about using those two products together didn't change the fact that if you tightened *my* crank onto *my* VO BB's taper so that it was even approaching tight (and way less than the spec'd torque), the crank would be in contact with the bottom bracket's body. They were incompatible. I've been informed by a person with direct experience (to say the least) that I could expect a 6-speed Suntour Winner or Winner Pro or a 7-speed Suntour Winner compact freewheel to work on my wheel. Expensive. But not unthinkable if it is spaced such that it indexes well. I suspect it is. I wouldn't be happy getting just one; I'd need a warm backup. But the maintenance path isn't clear to me. It seems I could maintain the ratchet mechanism on one to last many thousands of miles (perhaps more miles than I have in me... I'm riding about 100 miles/week). But wouldn't I expect to need to replace at least some cogs every few thousand or so? If so, I'd have to collect some cogs up front and make sure I can do that myself as well. I don't know; I don't have any long-term experiences with freewheels in general, let alone high-end ones. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean - omnigrid omnig...@gmail.com wrote: IRD freewheels are just Shimano-compatible freewheels, man. Nothing special. You dont need to use IRD...I wouldnt. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Oh, and I should note that this IRD specificity is noted in the hub dimensions document on Phil Wood's site. Where, interestingly, it does *not* list the dimensions for the IRD-intended hubs. I should also add that I suspect that this IRD difference is actually a modern usage by IRD of a standard which has been around for some time, the compact freewheel. Can anyone confirm/deny/clarify? Insomniacally yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Feb 14, 1:50 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi. It seems that Phil Wood has created a hub specifically to be used with the IRD freewheel. I think it has to do with the IRD freewheel's sprockets being spaced more closely than, say, the Shimano freewheel's. Or maybe there are other differences as well. In any case, there is some significant difference in something. For when I put the RBW-sold Shimano freewheel on my hub, it does not coast freely at all. Now, maybe there's supposed to be a break-in period. But I don't think that's what this is. The IRD freewheels I've used had no similar issues when first installed. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean On Feb 13, 2011, at 6:31 PM, omnigrid omnig...@gmail.com wrote: Phil Wood IRD hub? I think you maybe confused. IRD is a company or brand. On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 5:54 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I have no experience at all with IRD. On my camper bike I use a Shimano Megarange FW. On my more sporting bike I have a Suntour Winner. Picked up both from the eBay NOS store. No problems with either. On Feb 13, 4:45 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hello, all! Does anyone have any experience using the Shimanopore freewheel on a Phil Wood IRD 7-speed freewheel hub? Does anyone have any experience using the Shimanopore freewheel with a normal (i.e. non-IRD) 7- speed freewheel hub? I've had to replace three IRD 7-speed freewheels in 7 months. The first one (13-28) lasted a couple thousand miles but then started to fail to catch within a reasonable amount of rotation. The next one
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood IRD FW hub and/or Shimano freewheel experiences?
With all the vintage hubs in my collection, I have never bothered looking at Riv's hubs page. I still do not understand the desire to buy a new 135 freewheel hub. PW along with many other companies make perfectly fine casette hubs in that size. The PW freewheel products page was not loading for me just now, but it appears from the main hub page that PW does make IRD specific freewheels from 120 up. I can understand a rider not wanting to spread the chainstays going with a PW and freewheel in that situation. However, if the IRD are not reliable, spreading chain stays is no big deal and would be my preference, unless the frame is a vintage Herse or something (and in that case, you may as well pop for a MaxiCar). On Feb 14, 2:50 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: Here's an email from a few months ago, i believe it's a slight spacing optimization on the IRD phil wood hubs that make them special, but that you can use regular free-wheels as well. - The whole IRD/Riv FW thing confuses everyone I've talked to about it. The guys at PW were kind enough to explain the IRD specific hub design to me last year when I was deciding on hubs for another set of wheels. Garth, OK I spoke with our engineer for a little more feedback on this IRD thing because it is basically a little confusing to me a well, here's the scoop. These IRD hubs were a concept dreamed up by Rivendell which took our standard freewheel hubs and moved the hub shell over to the drive side by about 2mm for the IRD freewheels which is supposed to help off set the wheel dishing (Rivendell likes to build wheels with a little dish as possible) as well as the chain line when an IRD freewheel is used. When Rivendell commissioned these IRD hubs they asked that they be an Rivy exclusive and we agreed to this for one year. After the year had expired (this year) our engineer and General Manager thought it would be a good idea to offer the hubs as part of our product line for riders who may want to have minimal dishing when using an IRD. So long story short the IRD freewheels can in deed be used with either one of our freewheel hubs it just depends on how concerned you are about eliminating some of the wheel dish. Now you know as much as I do about the reasoning behind the IRD option and I hope it clears things up a little. Thank You, Mark Phil Wood Co. In the end, I decided not to get the IRD FW hubs from PW, just the same regular touring hubs I've been using. You can still use any brand of FW with the IRD/Riv hub, it will just be closer to the chainstay how close depends on your frame. You can use an IRD FW with any english threaded FW hub. BTW, I've been hearing more reports of IRD failures, despite the later supposedly improved models. There's supposed to be a new batch this summer. Yes . those that got a good one say what's the problem, mine's been fine ? For those that didn't it rots. I've never heard of any FW having so many problems as the IRD ones. If you need a 13-28 and can live with the awful black Shimano 28 cog, their FW's are still good. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sweater wool sheep breed revealed
Too cool Grant! Thank you for the follow up. I've seen Chevoit in real life. Very handsome critters. Can't wait to add to my collection of cardigans. On Feb 14, 4:56 pm, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: It's the Cheviot, a hardy breed that lives in the hilly border area btw England and Scotland...originally, at least, and lots are still there. There is a Cheviot Society,and even an American Cheviot Sheep Society http://www.cheviotsheep.org/index.html You can find all kinds of Cheviot images on the web. Rest assured ours come from the best-looking, most rugged ones---not the show sheep shown shorn just so. I stipulate that. Sweater news, not intending to stir a pot: Vest: the one shown was izzactly like the first one (except for the pocket), but in any case we're shrinking the shoulders a bit and opening up the armhole. Twill be perf! Rollnecker: Might not do it, although if the sample we have here were a large or xl, we'd definitely not do it, because I'd have mine... I like the style a lot, but my radar says it won't be popular. Army type: We're going with this, as is. Cardigan: Adding a rib to the lower hem. Basically, same as before. Close enough! G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood IRD FW hub and/or Shimano freewheel experiences?
In spite of that appeal, I remain open to the idea that all of my old wheel problems would have been basically solved with a 36-hole Phil Wood/Synergy O/C cassette wheel (I have and sometimes use two XT/Synergy O/C wheels, having had only minor and probably-solved issues) or a 40-hole Phil Wood/Dyad cassette wheel. In use I prefer the Dyad rim; it's easier to mount the tires I use. And one person-who-knows said the 40-spoke wheel would be stronger, despite the additional dish (there's no O/C Dyad and there's no 40-hole O/C Synergy). Kind of hard to pick between those rims! I have 2 sets of 700 wheels. One set are 40h Dyads built around MaxiCar hubs. The other are 36h Synergy (o/c rear) built around some vintage Campagnolo hubs Peter Weigle modified. (If this weather holds I will have a link to some pictures of those wheels and the bike they roll this weekend.) Obviously both hubs are freewheel. On Feb 14, 5:46 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hi! - JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I still do not understand the desire to buy a new 135 freewheel hub. PW along with many other companies make perfectly fine casette hubs in that size. Wheel strength. Generally, the 3-people-who-actually-know-these-things that I contacted all implied or stated outright that a wheel built around a Phil Wood IRD-style FW hub would be stronger than one built with a cassette hub, all else equal. They didn't say you need this wheel... they didn't say only it will work... they basically said it would be non-trivially stronger. I even now have zero reason to doubt those folks or that assertion in particular. My own history of consistently ruining wheels led me to think I wanted all the non-trivial strength enhancement I could tolerate (didn't want a 48-spoke wheel, didn't want a black rim). In the face of that history, those opinions, *and* the fact that choosing a cassette wheel that would be comparably strong meant an extra $200 right from the start... why *wouldn't* I desire a new 135 freewheel hub? The money itself wasn't a problem. But compromising the wheel's strength *and* paying real money to do it still seems silly. In hindsight, my desire (no matter how I came to have it) may have led me to a poor choice. Freewheel issues certainly threaten my use of my current wheel as anything other than a backup. It won't take too many more instances of a surprise failure-to-catch as I enter traffic to make me *not* use that wheel regularly. That'd be a shame... I've grown enamored of the elegance of a low-dish wheel, of the isolation of the most important bearings on the bike from the least important bearings on the bike, and of the notional simplicity of servicing of a Phil Wood freewheel hub (haven't actually had to service it yet). As well as the proven strength of the wheel, be it needed or not. In spite of that appeal, I remain open to the idea that all of my old wheel problems would have been basically solved with a 36-hole Phil Wood/Synergy O/C cassette wheel (I have and sometimes use two XT/Synergy O/C wheels, having had only minor and probably-solved issues) or a 40-hole Phil Wood/Dyad cassette wheel. In use I prefer the Dyad rim; it's easier to mount the tires I use. And one person-who-knows said the 40-spoke wheel would be stronger, despite the additional dish (there's no O/C Dyad and there's no 40-hole O/C Synergy). In any case, I haven't given up on using the freewheel-based wheel yet. But I'll decide over the next few months, since I would like to pick a sustainable system and have it in place before I seriously pursue my next Rivendell, which will probably be next year. At this point, a second 60cm double-top-tube Hillborne is the front-runner. That bike just plain fits. 62cm Hunqapillar and 60cm Bombadil are still in the running, though. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood IRD FW hub and/or Shimano freewheel experiences?
Can you (or someone else) explain why this is so? I thought the whole point of the cassette hub design was greater strength because the axle is supported by bearings further out to the right. So what makes this fw hub stronger even than the Phil fw hub? That is what I have heard as well. Obviously I have no problem with FW hubs - I've never even owned a set of cassette hubs - but always thought maybe I was giving up some strength to the people riding on those new fangled thangs. On Feb 14, 5:59 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Generally, the 3-people-who-actually-know-these-things that I contacted all implied or stated outright that a wheel built around a Phil Wood IRD-style FW hub would be stronger than one built with a cassette hub, all else equal. Can you (or someone else) explain why this is so? I thought the whole point of the cassette hub design was greater strength because the axle is supported by bearings further out to the right. So what makes this fw hub stronger even than the Phil fw hub? I must admit that I am skeptical of this 3-person claim, but I am open to enlightenment. (Om ) As to Phil track hubs, I learned today that the bearings on my 2Xf fixed Phil are fine after almost 11K miles: the roughness was the not-fully-tightened spacer. Patrick no dish, no worries Moore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sweater wool sheep breed revealed
Well, it has a nice ring to it. Not sure if they are the fastest sheep in the world. At least not when their wool is fully grown out as the one in Grant's link. On Feb 14, 6:54 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Will the 650B cantilever braked Roadeo model be called the Cheviot ? On Feb 14, 3:02 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Too cool Grant! Thank you for the follow up. I've seen Chevoit in real life. Very handsome critters. Can't wait to add to my collection of cardigans. On Feb 14, 4:56 pm, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: It's the Cheviot, a hardy breed that lives in the hilly border area btw England and Scotland...originally, at least, and lots are still there. There is a Cheviot Society,and even an American Cheviot Sheep Society http://www.cheviotsheep.org/index.html You can find all kinds of Cheviot images on the web. Rest assured ours come from the best-looking, most rugged ones---not the show sheep shown shorn just so. I stipulate that. Sweater news, not intending to stir a pot: Vest: the one shown was izzactly like the first one (except for the pocket), but in any case we're shrinking the shoulders a bit and opening up the armhole. Twill be perf! Rollnecker: Might not do it, although if the sample we have here were a large or xl, we'd definitely not do it, because I'd have mine... I like the style a lot, but my radar says it won't be popular. Army type: We're going with this, as is. Cardigan: Adding a rib to the lower hem. Basically, same as before. Close enough! G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Interesting marketing strategy
Very annoying sales technique. Perhaps they figure for every 99 people they annoy who come looking for a Rivendell but find something else they will get 1 person interested enough to think about bidding. Even if I wanted the product I would not bid on a bait and switch auction. On Feb 14, 7:48 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I saw this listing on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/1983-TREK-520-LUGGED-FRAME-AND-FORK-RIVENDELL-GEO... Somebody selling a 1983 Trek 520. He puts Rivendell in the title, presumably to attract potential buyers. That in itself is interesting, that a tiny sliver company like Riv is so influential that it's used a hook to sell a Trek (or a Raleigh, or a Specialized, as we've all seen repeatedly). This seller goes one step further with the text: DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY ON A RIVENDELL FRAME. BUILD THIS LOW BB FRAME TO YOUR OWN SPECS ! If you tried to attract a Riv-fancier with the title, is it smart to then bash Riv calling it a waste? Clearly the seller meant something more along the lines of my frame is just as good as a Rivendell, only cheaper and older, but I'm not sure he said what he meant. Does it amuse you how people sell their non-Rivendell stuff as Rivendell-ish? Is there another bicycle business in the WORLD that is both smaller and yet more influential than Rivendell? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood IRD FW hub and/or Shimano freewheel experiences?
Cassette hub -- less likely to break an axle Dishless wheel -- less likely to break a spoke One of the reasons MaxiCar hubs are built around solid axles and I built the Campy hubs around solid E.A.I. axles. On Feb 14, 8:05 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: All other things being equal, a cassette hub offers a far stronger axle, because the axle is supported in more places and closer to the frame dropouts. Bent or broken axles are essentially non-existent on even the cheapest cassette hubs. Among freewheel hubs, I know of few that are stronger than Phil. The number of people in the world that can bend or break the axle on a Phil FW hub is small. All other things being equal a dishless wheel offers more equal spoke tension left vs right. That's one of the reasons 130 and 135 developed and why 145 and 160 are on tandems (and there are other reasons). Cassette hub -- less likely to break an axle Dishless wheel -- less likely to break a spoke On Feb 14, 5:57 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Can you (or someone else) explain why this is so? I thought the whole point of the cassette hub design was greater strength because the axle is supported by bearings further out to the right. So what makes this fw hub stronger even than the Phil fw hub? That is what I have heard as well. Obviously I have no problem with FW hubs - I've never even owned a set of cassette hubs - but always thought maybe I was giving up some strength to the people riding on those new fangled thangs. On Feb 14, 5:59 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Generally, the 3-people-who-actually-know-these-things that I contacted all implied or stated outright that a wheel built around a Phil Wood IRD-style FW hub would be stronger than one built with a cassette hub, all else equal. Can you (or someone else) explain why this is so? I thought the whole point of the cassette hub design was greater strength because the axle is supported by bearings further out to the right. So what makes this fw hub stronger even than the Phil fw hub? I must admit that I am skeptical of this 3-person claim, but I am open to enlightenment. (Om ) As to Phil track hubs, I learned today that the bearings on my 2Xf fixed Phil are fine after almost 11K miles: the roughness was the not-fully-tightened spacer. Patrick no dish, no worries Moore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Phil Wood IRD FW hub and/or Shimano freewheel experiences?
I have no experience at all with IRD. On my camper bike I use a Shimano Megarange FW. On my more sporting bike I have a Suntour Winner. Picked up both from the eBay NOS store. No problems with either. On Feb 13, 4:45 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Hello, all! Does anyone have any experience using the Shimanopore freewheel on a Phil Wood IRD 7-speed freewheel hub? Does anyone have any experience using the Shimanopore freewheel with a normal (i.e. non-IRD) 7- speed freewheel hub? I've had to replace three IRD 7-speed freewheels in 7 months. The first one (13-28) lasted a couple thousand miles but then started to fail to catch within a reasonable amount of rotation. The next one (non-mega 13-32) didn't work at all; the small cog was broken. The next one (non-mega 13-32) lasted only a few hundred miles before starting to freeze (introducing top-of-the-stay slack) and then, within a week or so, began to fail to catch like the first one. It had just gotten cold when the first one failed. It has just been *really* cold when the third one failed. I don't know if that's related. If these freewheels typically last only a couple thousand mikes, I'll be disappointed but I'll deal. If there's an alternative freewheel like the Shimano I'll use those. If fteewheels are just this inconsistent and I can't find an alternative freewheel arrangement, I'll switch to a cassette system ASAP and move on. Anybody have any insights / info / suggestions? Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: In case you cannot find a Power Grip the right color ...
Mike: The problem with the site may have to do with your browser. I had trouble getting it to work on Explorer, but worked fine on Safari. I have the new Power Grip Riv is selling. I think the materila is leatherette, but am not sure. Power Grips seem sturdy, but are not easily adjusted. From the Moletta demo, it appears these new ones may be easier to adjust. If so, this is exactly what I want, as I wear different shoes depending on when and where I am riding. On Feb 11, 3:28 pm, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Just put in for a set of White Industries pedals and I'm trying to get a pair of these Molletta straps to go with them, but the slick hipster webdesign is unspeakably frustrating. I can't find any type of checkout button on the site, and so their inventory shall remain static, along with their $8 bike moustaches. I'm also considering power grips, but these seem like a sturdier ( prettier) option. Can anybody tell me what the Powergrips are made of? Can you vouch for their durability? I guess the obvious answer is Riv doesn't sell crap, but I have bought an unsatisfactory item or two from them in my time... On Feb 11, 1:30 am, Benedikt neutralbuoya...@comcast.net wrote: I would have to agree with you. I got some Powergrips for my daily commuting and errands and I love 'em On Feb 10, 6:34 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Caught these over on Urbanvelo: http://mollettadesign.com/products-page/biciband/biciband-grigio/ The makers are promoting them for fixies. Seems to me they would work just fine with any traditional road pedal, no matter the drive train.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: In case you cannot find a Power Grip the right color ...
Probably the first time my tech advice worked! I was using the Bruce Gordon half clips with my Whites. As long as you are riding with tough sneakers or such, the half clips pair well with the Whites. Unfortunately, both the steel and Ti versions leave marks on my work shoes. My ride to work is short enough that on nice days I would rather not have to wear bike shoes and have to change at the office. Possibly if Bruce made a version with flat rather than round tubing this would not be a problem. On Feb 11, 4:22 pm, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Joel. Firefox Chrome = no dice, Safari = A-OK. I will let the group know how these straps work once I get 'em. I'm glad these were introduced, as I really wanted to get the W.I pedals, but I didn't have confidence in either Bruce Gordan's half clips (adjustability) or the Power Grips (adjustability,quality,looks). Hope these can adjust on the fly and are high quality. On Feb 11, 4:56 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Mike: The problem with the site may have to do with your browser. I had trouble getting it to work on Explorer, but worked fine on Safari. I have the new Power Grip Riv is selling. I think the materila is leatherette, but am not sure. Power Grips seem sturdy, but are not easily adjusted. From the Moletta demo, it appears these new ones may be easier to adjust. If so, this is exactly what I want, as I wear different shoes depending on when and where I am riding. On Feb 11, 3:28 pm, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Just put in for a set of White Industries pedals and I'm trying to get a pair of these Molletta straps to go with them, but the slick hipster webdesign is unspeakably frustrating. I can't find any type of checkout button on the site, and so their inventory shall remain static, along with their $8 bike moustaches. I'm also considering power grips, but these seem like a sturdier ( prettier) option. Can anybody tell me what the Powergrips are made of? Can you vouch for their durability? I guess the obvious answer is Riv doesn't sell crap, but I have bought an unsatisfactory item or two from them in my time... On Feb 11, 1:30 am, Benedikt neutralbuoya...@comcast.net wrote: I would have to agree with you. I got some Powergrips for my daily commuting and errands and I love 'em On Feb 10, 6:34 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Caught these over on Urbanvelo: http://mollettadesign.com/products-page/biciband/biciband-grigio/ The makers are promoting them for fixies. Seems to me they would work just fine with any traditional road pedal, no matter the drive train.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Blog post about tubing for AHH
Actually, if you are going to make a quality home, steel and cement framing are the better way to go. The AHH is not a custom bike. If the buyer wants to spec tubing, find a builder who will use the tubing of your choice. Many builders, including those considered among the best, will accept little, if any, client direction on tubing choice. Which says all I need to know about the value of knowing the tubes used for your bike. On Feb 10, 8:45 am, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: About newenglandbike's wood analogy, I think a more accurate analogy might be that knowing the TYPE of wood is important, but knowing the BRAND is probably not. You certainly want to know your house is being built of a certain grade and species, but whether that wood comes from Weyerhauser or Georgia-Pacific makes no difference. To bring this back OT, it makes complete sense to want to know that your bike is made of good material. In Riv's case, many of us are fine with Grant's trust me, it's good. But I think many riders have a legitimate desire to know more. You may have found you like the ride of bikes with certain tubing specs (though I doubt one could discern between brands with the same specs) and as mentioned above one may have specific concerns about durability or other things. As I have said before, Riv/Grant only seem to end up creating grief for themselves when they share too much - the confusion around the multi-ethnic Sam Hillbornes being only the latest example. It goes against their pay no attention to the man behind the curtain message - find a builder you trust, trust them (it's good), and just get out and ride. Maybe Grant is the Wizard of Walnut Creek? ;-) -Pete -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Blog post about tubing for AHH
Well Well.. I'm glad I'm not Grant. Write a quick article on how you feel and have your anologies disected more so than the overal point being made. I was just harrassing GP on Cement and Steel over wood. In hindsight, perhaps I should have left it unsaid. If I recall from my undergraduate Logic course, one possible inference from my argument could be - HORRORS! - wood home framing is to steel home framing what steel bike tubing is to carbon bike tubing. Without looking I recall the AHH is a mix of tubing brands and diameters. Probably some variations between the smaller models and larger as well. I recently took delivery of a 30th Anniversary Spectrum road bike. One of the selling points for that bike is the Colombus SL tubing. (Brad Wilson of Capricorn Bikes is offering a great deal on a similar all Colombus SL build up for those of you interested. If I did not already have the Spectrum, I would be in line. Highly recommend Brad.) Otherwise, unless you are a Grant Peterson or Richard Sachs, stressing over tubing is all academic to me. I know Italian bikes built with Colombus SL in the day are fun to ride. I expect my Spectrum will be fun to ride as well (managed to get it built up right before as all the snow dumped on Chicago). If you were to corner me and demanded I explain what it is that makes Colombus bikes fun to ride, or, more to the point, whether this quality could be duplicated with other tubing, I would be hard pressed to give a cogent answer. On Feb 10, 9:58 am, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Well Well.. I'm glad I'm not Grant. Write a quick article on how you feel and have your anologies disected more so than the overal point being made. I just took it to mean, regardless of the name of the quality tube it's more the design and build than the tube itself you should be worried about. Simple and easy, then goes on to answer the question of what tube is used. At end he indicates it's what goes on in his mind, but that he's grateful to have to answer the question after all. Nothing magical or hidden in there. So do we now have the MSNBC-RIV channel and the FOX-RIV channel and we will look for hidden meanings and agendas. One side is going to look for the littlest thing they can disagree with while another is going to blindly build it up as special. Life isn't that way, I'm not that way, and I'd bet big bucks Grant isn't that way and I don't even know him. In his own long winded way he answered the question of what tubes are in the AHH. I considered his points correct and in line with what I've read in other articles of his. I would prefer not to read legal documentation.. thus giving the writer benefit of the doubt and looking at what is said overall. Mind f'ing is fun for some so have at it.. I just found it off the deep end. Sorry.. nothing personal .. just me.. and not about any one particular post here or even this thread alone.. seems to be a pattern if Grant says anything. Shrug Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Blog post about tubing for AHH
About the only thing I'll say by way of defense of the question is maybe 2% of the buying public can discern these differences. I empathize with a builder (whether bike or house) that gets asked these question because there's no way of knowing up front whether the person asking is in the 2% or not. Nor is there a polite way, especially in email, to suss it out before answering. But odds are 49 to 1 they aren't. I would wager that even some pre-eminent bike builders can not say with absolute certainty that if bike A has a downtube with wall thickness x it will deliver ride y to a rider of weight z. There are some general assumptions that may be made. The more experienced the more fine tuned those assumptions become. In the end, however, factors such as hub, rim and tire choice, saddle used, road conditions, etc. will all play rolls largely out of the frame builder's control. On Feb 10, 11:22 am, Allan in Portland allan_f...@aracnet.com wrote: Do we know the wall thicknesses from previous mention or is implicit to the tubing model? (ie. True Temper Verus HT cromo seat tubes only come in one wall thickness.) Wall thickness is the thing I've always wondered but never asked, because it always seemed pretty obvious -- to me, apparently there's about two folks a year that didn't notice :-) -- Grant didn't like being asked. As a pretty light fellow and dedicated BQ subscriber I think wall thickness is important; however, I agree tubing brand and particularly tensile strength is mostly irrelevant marketing hype. I do suspect he uses somewhat beefy tubes. His most outspoken fans seem to be relatively heavy and/or tall riders, and Grant himself seems most fond of a good fire road (aren't we all). About the only thing I'll say by way of defense of the question is maybe 2% of the buying public can discern these differences. I empathize with a builder (whether bike or house) that gets asked these question because there's no way of knowing up front whether the person asking is in the 2% or not. Nor is there a polite way, especially in email, to suss it out before answering. But odds are 49 to 1 they aren't. As for me, whenever I ask these types of questions (and as an engineer I ask them a lot ;-) I always take pains to preface it with a little jargon to show hey, I'm in the 2%. Regards, -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Blog post about tubing for AHH
I don't know, I recently had my back yard cleared and we found dry rot on the post holding up the deck (its 20ft in the air), so I'm going to have to replace it. But you can make the analogy even more complicated. There are probably some asthetic rationale behind your specifying wood based products for your deck. If your bid request was for the most durable deck at a certain price, it is possible a contractor would offer to build it with the new cement board products increasingly in commercial building. Riv sellls the AHH as a country bike. Riv further says it is a bike that can carry a rider and reasonable load over a number of different surfaces comfortably and at respectable speed. Plumbing tubing could not build such a bike. But there are probably a lot of different tubing that could. On Feb 10, 11:41 am, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 10, 7:10 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: The wood analogy is not mine; it's from the original blog post. But I think the intended purpose of the analogy is very clear, even if the analysis of it may or may not be (to me anyway). I don't know, I recently had my back yard cleared and we found dry rot on the post holding up the deck (its 20ft in the air), so I'm going to have to replace it. I'm waiting for bids from several different contractors and one thing I'm specifying in their quote is a price for the use of Trex or similar composite (can I say that word here?!:) wood for the deck and railing. The rationale for this request is that I live in the San Francisco Sunset District and my deck is on a hill facing south. It is exposed to sunlight, fog, wind and rain. It is my understanding that composites like Trex (there's also other brands like timbertech, dream dex or something like that, which I have no idea about), will last at least 25-30 years. I'm willing to pay more now so that I don't have to deal with it again in the future. Similarly, I'm asking that the post and any framing be replaced with pressure treated versus regular redwood, again because pressure treated last longer, i.e., I should get 20 year life versus 10-12 year with redwood. Anyways, getting back to the point, for those in the know or are interested, then its perfectly reasonable to inquire about specific tubing or wood. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] In case you cannot find a Power Grip the right color ...
Caught these over on Urbanvelo: http://mollettadesign.com/products-page/biciband/biciband-grigio/ The makers are promoting them for fixies. Seems to me they would work just fine with any traditional road pedal, no matter the drive train. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: In case you cannot find a Power Grip the right color ...
Not at all related to the link above, but cool anyhow: http://lemolobags.wordpress.com/ I have a set of Lemolo panniers. They are very well made and look great. If this project bears fruit, there may be more of his swell product at a more attainable price. On Feb 10, 8:34 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Caught these over on Urbanvelo: http://mollettadesign.com/products-page/biciband/biciband-grigio/ The makers are promoting them for fixies. Seems to me they would work just fine with any traditional road pedal, no matter the drive train. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New (to me anyway) and quite flat platform pedals ...
I am not familiar with Canfield. Currently, I am using the more White Industry platform pedals on my commuter bike. The Whites are more expensive and require either a toe clip, a half clip, or power grips. But they are wonderfully smooth pedals, are very easy to clean and grease, and look great. If the Canfields are anywhere near as smooth as the Whites (or the MKS Custom Nuevos), they may be a viable alternative. I do agree there are less expensive options out there that probably function as or nearly as well. Personally, I do not mind paying a little more to the mom and pop or for Canfield - bro and bro - if the product is good quality. The Whites certainly are top quality. Somewhat curious whether these live up to White standards. On Feb 9, 9:07 am, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: That's a lot of money for reduced slippage. Of course, if you're looking for a dwnhill pedal these may be the ticket. Otherwise, really, just about anything flat will work fine. I race on Crank Bros. 5050XX (sealed bearing version, replaceable pins and plates) without shin guards and have yet to take a significant core sample of my leg. The pedal is just a big, wide, happy platform for my foot. For anything else, any ordinary BMX-type flat pedal will work fine for all but the biggest feet, and costs far less. I like the MKS platform pedals that Riv sells, but I'm also a fan of the Redline BMX pedal with replaceable pins and sealed bearings. Both cost less than $50 a pair retail, and losse-bearing versions of the Redline pedal cost around half of that. Beth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New (to me anyway) and quite flat platform pedals ...
Having written a little marketing copy in my time, I must say that the Canfield claims were pretty egregious. One of the dangers with cottage industries selling through their own websites is they sometimes decide to write their own copy. There may be some metal fabricators who can write good marketing copy. For the most part, the two do not overlap. Probably they should have just stuck with their first instinct and said something along the lines of - Dude! This is one cool looking flat pedal! On Feb 9, 11:19 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Having written a little marketing copy in my time, I must say that the Canfield claims were pretty egregious. It lowers the bottom bracket only in the sense that you have to lower your saddle to maintain the same leg extension. _Why_ that could possibly be a percieved benefit to the target market is beyond me. And that's just the first sentance. The piffle continues throughout. Really, really makes me once again appreciate the forthright aspect of GP's copy writing. I'm going to go reread some catalogs. - Jim ...bad writing makes me cranky. -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 650B Wheels for Touring
Jan Heine sold me a set of NOS 40h Mavic rims which I built up for my forthcoming 650B. I will put Hetres on those for plush touring. I also built up a wheelset with 36h Synergy OC rear to match with Pari Motos and maybe now even the Lierres. Imagine those 8 extra spokes are going to be terribly exhausting for me to turn around, but the MaxiCar hubs were 36h, so I did not have a choice. On Feb 8, 9:44 am, Doug Van Cleve dvancl...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Mike. If you aren't totally sold on the Dyads, the Synergy OC is only 1mm narrower and will probably build a stronger rear wheel with the same spoke count. Doug On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I am converting an older British Tourer to 650B. I need to have some wheels built and was wondering about spoke count. I know on 700c that 36 spokes is preferred ( I know some even like 40+). Anyone out there tour on 650B 32 spoke wheels? I am planning on Dyad rims and I weigh 188 and don't plan on more than 30lbs of stuff. ~Mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] New (to me anyway) and quite flat platform pedals ...
Caught these while checking out the latest on Jeff Jones' * site: http://www.canfieldbrothers.com/products/pedals Appears there intended purpose is rock riding. Can't help but think they would make swell urban and all round pedals as well. *Something I'm going to have to force myself to stop before I wind up buying a perfect mountain bike I would probably ride once a year. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Update on riding changes this year.. (oops it's long)
*Wider Tires* - Ok on my tour bike I could understand 700x35's and enjoyed them. I would never have considered 700x35's for daily riding however untill I got my AHH. The JB lights have been fantastic and given me a great fast ride. (especially when I put some air in them) Then when I got my Bombadil with 700x50 big apples and road some 30 and 50 mile rides I was just amazed. Yes they are slower, accerlation is slower.. but on a normal social ride it hasn't mattered. Thrilled.. I am one who will NEVER ride a 700x23 tires again. Kelly, if you ride the AHH mainly on paved surface, you may want to try the 700x35 Schwalbe Kojaks. This treadless tire rides very smooth as one might expect from a 35 and has rather low rolling resistance. On Feb 6, 12:25 am, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Well the change is almost complete to the point it feels normal, and surprising. I honestly didn't think many of the things I was changing would stay with me. I've ridden long enough to understand speed and sprints and hurting and doing centuries all over the country remembering only the pace line. So I wasn't as sure about platform pedals, heavier bikes, larger tires, sitting upright, and all the other stuff. Well I have reference the joy several times. Well the newness has worn off a bit, the bikes have earned scratches and scrapes. We bikes and I have experianced snow, rain, dirt, mud, traffic and alone time on back pathes along the rivers. They unlike me photograph beautifully. So after several hundred miles and on track for another 4 to 6 thousand mile year the following is where I stand. *Platform pedals* - Still the thing I most often consider changing .. however everytime I thing about it I realize that 85% of the time I like my grip kings and shoe choice and comfort .. not to mention my feet just aren't as cold in regular hiking shoes. *Wider Tires* - Ok on my tour bike I could understand 700x35's and enjoyed them. I would never have considered 700x35's for daily riding however untill I got my AHH. The JB lights have been fantastic and given me a great fast ride. (especially when I put some air in them) Then when I got my Bombadil with 700x50 big apples and road some 30 and 50 mile rides I was just amazed. Yes they are slower, accerlation is slower.. but on a normal social ride it hasn't mattered. Thrilled.. I am one who will NEVER ride a 700x23 tires again. *Upright riding position-* My experiance had been on my older tour bike that the more upright position meant my ass hurt sooner and was out of the question for longer rides. (nose up saddle position fixed this fyi) I always believed an aggressive riding position distributed the weight to my hands and legs etc causing less stress on my rear. Also meant many miles of base riding to get comfortable in that position for long 100 to 120 mile rides. *Mental- *This goes with most topics but since I lost speed .. which I don't care about or so I kept telling myself I was concerned. I'm at the point where to quote someone on here.. it's been fun per hour over mph thus I'm enjoying a new chapter in riding and back to riding .. the bikes don't just sit.. I don't dread getting on the bike anymore. Sometimes change is good. Please don't get me wrong. The fast days were fun. I reached all my speed goals and distance goals and extreme stuff for me. I was burnt on it. *Dyno Lighting *- I bought a SON28 and then put it on my AHH as a temp thing with thoughts of taking it off during the summer and spring and such. Maybe putting it on a different bike for just night time runs to the store. Well I fell in love with it. It hasn't been off the bike and won't be coming off. When I ordered the Bombadil I ordered it with a Son28. I can't find a reason to not run these hubs. Peronsal opinion here: I bought an Edelux light and then purchased the supernova E3 Triple for the Bombadil. Yes the supernova is super bright but the Edelux does more than I need and gets to full brightness at 2mph or so ..if I had it to do over again I would purchase another edelux.. the beama and the light are spectacular. Just my opinion and it may change as time goes on. *Lycra Spandex Free - *I am just as comfortable without it. I don't understand it and am not going to lose sleep over it. I honestly didn't think I would last more than a few short rides. Now I've ridden several 50+ and a couple of 60 mile rides where when I got home I was ready to go ride more. It's been a non issue. The musa pants I purchased from Riv have been very comfortable. Ilike the olive with the velcro better than the blue with the zipper legs for looks only. The blue are less hassel for riding actually. I always forget to velcro the legs closed on the olive ones. Hell I've done 30 mile rides in blue jeans on a new brooks b17. I believe it's the nose up saddle position that has changed things and
[RBW] Re: new sweaters/vests
As in, are they knit at a very tight gauge to be slightly more windproof for cycling? These are based on classic designs and definitely not designed in the line of what most people consider cycling clothes. The cardigan at least would not be all that wind proof. The wool is fairly heavy and warm. But you do feel a breeze through them. If you are looking for 'performance' wool, you probably ought to check out Ibex or similar. On Feb 6, 1:49 pm, NME nicolemea...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious -- to those who have owned the previous incarnations of these tweedy sweaters, is there something special about them beyond the fact that they're made from rustic British wool (of which I am a great fan)? As in, are they knit at a very tight gauge to be slightly more windproof for cycling? I am a pretty experienced hand knitter and machine knitter, but I'm not a terribly big fan of knit garments for providing warmth for cycling: the wind always cuts through and chills my bones, so I prefer to wear wool under a woven jacket. Maybe that's just because most of my riding is 5 miles commuting, so I'm not building up a proper sweat. What have your experiences been? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: new sweaters/vests
IME, layers of relatively thin wool are excellent for riding, wind notwithstanding, since they (1) keep you warm in a surprisingly wide range of temps and (2) breath so that you don't sweat as with an impermeable windbreaker. If the wind is harsh, just add another thin, knit layer. My own personal experience. Pretty much my approach this winter as well (and we have seen our share of cold, wet and windy days here in Chicago). I wear a very thin wool base layer, a sweater, then a middle weight wool jacket with a full zipper and hood. The sweater in the middle is the variable. If it is fairly warm, I wear a very light weight sweater. Middle weight most days. On the real cold days, I have a rather warm mostly cashmere sweater. As it happens, even on the coldest day so far - right around 0 - after a 15 minutes or so I had to unzip the jacket part of the way. Wool and other hair fibers work very well. On Feb 6, 6:25 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: My only like is that the crew-neck, button placket, rear-pocketed pullover is just so great as a second layer over a thinner, and less itchey, merino base layer. IME, layers of relatively thin wool are excellent for riding, wind notwithstanding, since they (1) keep you warm in a surprisingly wide range of temps and (2) breath so that you don't sweat as with an impermeable windbreaker. If the wind is harsh, just add another thin, knit layer. My own personal experience. On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, NME nicolemea...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious -- to those who have owned the previous incarnations of these tweedy sweaters, is there something special about them beyond the fact that they're made from rustic British wool (of which I am a great fan)? As in, are they knit at a very tight gauge to be slightly more windproof for cycling? I am a pretty experienced hand knitter and machine knitter, but I'm not a terribly big fan of knit garments for providing warmth for cycling: the wind always cuts through and chills my bones, so I prefer to wear wool under a woven jacket. Maybe that's just because most of my riding is 5 miles commuting, so I'm not building up a proper sweat. What have your experiences been? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: new sweaters/vests
I've gotta think there's more than a little blind faith in action here. Somewhat difficult to follow your point. These sweaters are are not some new Rov bike design. Rather, they are traditional English sweater designs made with traditional wool varietals. It is not uncommon to see people in the UK and Ireland wearing very similar garments. I think they are at their weakest in their efforts to expand Rivendell into a lifestyle brand. Don't follow this either. GP frequently makes the point that bicycle specific clothing go astray the point of enjoying a bicycle. He is also an advocate of small crafts businesses where possible. Quality comfortable made by a family owned company seem very consistent with the philosophy and not a craven effort to expand a brand. On Feb 6, 8:26 pm, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: I've gotta think there's more than a little blind faith in action here. A vest is not a shirt with the arms chopped off, as a post above noted. Properly designing a piece of clothing requires real skill and experience. No less than properly designing a bicycle frame. And nothing says that doing one well qualifies you at all for doing the other well. My only experience with Riv clothing is pair of Musa shorts, and the quality of design and construction of those was Old Navy caliber, at best. I think Riv makes some of the best bike stuff in the world for it's intended purpose. I think they are at their weakest in their efforts to expand Rivendell into a lifestyle brand. On Feb 5, 5:57 pm, dean899 monte.di...@gmail.com wrote: Good to see them make a return. I've been trying to get the vest and long sleeve sweater off the list here and now have one of each(yeah). My only gripe is the fact the the old last version was knit off center! The pockets were not centered and the cardigan was a mess with the buttons centered on my chest at the top but the bottom of the sweater had the buttons at my right hip. Hope there is quality control on this batch! On Feb 5, 4:45 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Made in England, same guys making them, That is good to know. From the RR piece on them a few years back they came across as the kind of wonderfully eccentric crafts people that you can still meet every now and then in rural UK. I was afraid they had retired or gone out of business or something. On Feb 5, 10:26 am, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: There are some bluish strands of wool, so I'd say at least some of the wool is from Swaledales that are kin to the one show below. Made in England, same guys making them, and I'll get the skinny on the rest of the wool. It is far from merino. Some kind of wirey, wolf-proof sheep, I'm sure. G On Feb 5, 5:06 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Not sure, but you see these Swaledale sheep everywhere in the UK: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikip... The earlier version of the sweater was made by a small outfit in England. On Feb 4, 11:32 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/324 For the rivhq gang - does anyone know the type of sheep the wool comes from? Inquiring minds (like my knitting significant other) want to know. I'm curious where they're being made. Love the ben franklin sweater. Will probably buy 2 of them just for me. -sv- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: new sweaters/vests
Not sure, but you see these Swaledale sheep everywhere in the UK: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Swaledale_sheep.jpgimgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Swaledale_sheep.jpgh=684w=1024sz=383tbnid=yOBJNb3yJ6IahM:tbnh=100tbnw=150prev=/images%3Fq%3Dswaledale%2Bsheepzoom=1q=swaledale+sheepusg=__pg6_eB0fJvueDJP3SozpJUwY5AI=sa=Xei=w0pNTcD-BoXagAeJlOg5ved=0CCkQ9QEwAg The earlier version of the sweater was made by a small outfit in England. On Feb 4, 11:32 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/324 For the rivhq gang - does anyone know the type of sheep the wool comes from? Inquiring minds (like my knitting significant other) want to know. I'm curious where they're being made. Love the ben franklin sweater. Will probably buy 2 of them just for me. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: new sweaters/vests
You're not the only one. Before I purchased my first Rivendell i was warned about the Grant Petersen cult and this just proves that it is real: Grant; We have this really scratchy sweater to sell you. Cult members: Oh thank you, Grant! We wouldn't want to wear something comfortable. Respectfully, I think you and Jim are missing the point of these garments. I like soft wool products as much as anyone. In fact, I even have a Loro Piana Vicuna Sweater I wear on cold weather rides (one plus to no significant other or kids is you can be extravagant every now and then - plus Loro Piana gets all its Vicuna wool from native americans who release the wild Vicunas after giving them a crew cut). I also have one of the original Wooly Warm cardigans (and intend to get another). It is a great sweater. I keep my thermostat here in Chicago at 57. From Late November until MidMarch (what a great book!) I wear the cardigan over a long sleeved tee shirt nearly every evening. It especially comes in handy when I am working on my bikes. The cardigan shows its age a little. But it has held up wonderfully. The commando sweater looks like it would be great for hiking, sledding and other rough and tumble outdoor activity. It will definitely last much longer than soft wool garments. Unlike fleece, it will not build up odor after spirited uses to the point you finally have to recycle it. On Feb 5, 2:32 pm, William Pustow bpus...@aol.com wrote: Jim, You're not the only one. Before I purchased my first Rivendell i was warned about the Grant Petersen cult and this just proves that it is real: Grant; We have this really scratchy sweater to sell you. Cult members: Oh thank you, Grant! We wouldn't want to wear something comfortable. Don't get me wrong, I have 3 Riv's and love them. Now the Rivendell sweatshirt - Oh thank you Grant! Bill Louisville, Ky Bill Louisville, Ky On Feb 5, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Jim Cloud wrote: I guess my view will be considered contrarian, but I've had more than enough scratchy wool sweaters in my lifetime. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: new sweaters/vests
Made in England, same guys making them, That is good to know. From the RR piece on them a few years back they came across as the kind of wonderfully eccentric crafts people that you can still meet every now and then in rural UK. I was afraid they had retired or gone out of business or something. On Feb 5, 10:26 am, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: There are some bluish strands of wool, so I'd say at least some of the wool is from Swaledales that are kin to the one show below. Made in England, same guys making them, and I'll get the skinny on the rest of the wool. It is far from merino. Some kind of wirey, wolf-proof sheep, I'm sure. G On Feb 5, 5:06 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Not sure, but you see these Swaledale sheep everywhere in the UK: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikip... The earlier version of the sweater was made by a small outfit in England. On Feb 4, 11:32 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/324 For the rivhq gang - does anyone know the type of sheep the wool comes from? Inquiring minds (like my knitting significant other) want to know. I'm curious where they're being made. Love the ben franklin sweater. Will probably buy 2 of them just for me. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO/Rivendell Cross Blog Post
one observation... the world of steel bikes, Nitto, and non carbon silver components is very small compared the bicycle world as a whole I imagine the relatively small size of the steel bike world is why people tend to lump its practitioners together. There are big differences in the Riv and VO design approach. Riv's tend to be mid trail with moderately long chain stays affording neutral to lively handling with modest loads up front and mid to heavy in the rear. VO bikes are in the French tradition low trail that remain stable with a lot of weight up front and offer a relaxed comfortable ride. Looking closely at their approach to handlebars, brakes, wheel sets, tires etc., the different approach is consistently there. Someone could easily have a VO and Riv bike with almost no overlap. On Feb 3, 10:47 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: one observation... the world of steel bikes, Nitto, and non carbon silver components is very small compared the bicycle world as a whole. I'm delighted that all 3 shops (and others) are able to survive. It would be a cold dark ( black and grey) world without all of them. ~Mike On Feb 3, 7:34 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I vividly remember my first visit to Jitensha Studio in my freshman year a Cal in 1987. I'd never seen a shop like that, and I can't say I've ever seen another like it. On Feb 3, 6:55 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 3, 1:08 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha should not be included in a list of me too Riv companies. Jitensha has been around for quite some time, possibly longer than Riv, though I am not certain on that. Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. -B- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO/Rivendell Cross Blog Post
Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. That is my understanding. The BOBs may have to chime in here, but I always thought Bridgestone in the Grant years was trying to translate at scale what the small, Francophile Japanese shops (such as Toei) Jitensha championed were doing. On Feb 3, 8:55 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 3, 1:08 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha should not be included in a list of me too Riv companies. Jitensha has been around for quite some time, possibly longer than Riv, though I am not certain on that. Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. -B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
I agree with Dave... the 40 and 48 hole rims seem like overkill. I've done week long tours on handbuilt 32h wheels. It is a matter of preference. 40h rims are not more expensive than 36h. A lot of choices on what goes into the panniers are going to have far more impact on weight than 4 spokes. I certainly do not think having 40h wheels are a critical for my completing a tour. But overkill meaning what? Not like I have lost anything having them. As my 40h wheels are built around smooth rolling Maxicar hubs, I get a plush ride few wheelsets can match. On Feb 4, 9:38 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I agree with Dave... the 40 and 48 hole rims seem like overkill. I've done week long tours on handbuilt 32h wheels. I weigh about 190lbs .If you use good stiff rims ( Dyad's in my case), thr right spokes and fat tires a 36 hole rim is plenty. ~Mike On Feb 4, 7:29 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Gary I weigh 205 and I run the stock 26 rims on my Long Haul Trucker with Schwalbe Marathon Supremes (26x50). As I wrote in another post, the fatter tires are now my choice for all loaded tours. I know you didn't ask about your choice of 40h rims, but I thought I might add some unsolicited advice. I have never had a well-built, 36- hole wheel fail on a tour - poor stock rims, yes - but not handbuilt wheels. I think lots of folks make the assumption that more is better for expeditioning. A 40 hole rim seems way overbuilt for front wheels for someone your size. With a 26-inch wheel, 40h in the rear also seems excessive. Here's another consideration: I had a nice, custom 40h rear wheel on my Bombadil during one tour. When the rim self- destructed due to a manufacturing defect, I was hard-pressed to find an easily available replacement rim on which I could use my expensive 40h hub. I ended up using a cheap ( $100) 36h wheel for the last half of the tour and it worked just as well as the $400 wheel it replaced. Save yourself some money for panniers, etc. You could go with a cheaper front wheel at least. With tires as nice as the Scwalbe Supremes and the versatility of fatter tires, I really don't see any reason to run thinner tires for loaded touring or rough riding unless your bike won't accommodate the fat ones. Dave On Jan 28, 2:07 pm, Gary g...@worldcyclotour.com wrote: I'm looking to get a new touring wheelset and would like some feedback. The wheels will be 26, used fully loaded. Me 200lbs 6'4, bike fully loaded, 60% on road 40% offroad. 40 hole Phils, tires 1.75 maybe 2.0. Now the questions. 24mm or 27mm rim width and limitations for each with regard to minimum/ maximum tire size for the rims? What would be the safe minimum tire width on either and still be safe (pinch flats etc.) for rough riding. What would be the maximum tire width (stability) for each. I'm needing to pick my poison. Thanks, Gary- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO/Rivendell Cross Blog Post
I think Grant seems to favor the tried and true proven stuff while VO seems to like to experiment with new versions using cheaper Taiwanese mfgers VO experiments with manufacturers, true. But most of the VO branded components are highly derivative. Most VO racks, brakes, brake levers, cranks, pedals have French counterparts from as early as the 1950s. The geometry of VO bikes is classic French. On the other hand, Riv has some fairly novel items such as the Platrack, splats, and was very happy to shift to the rapidrise rear derailer (although Riv appears to be out of stock at the moment). On Feb 4, 9:42 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Certainly both Riv and VO try to find their own niches in this small part of the cycling business, but I find a lot of commonality between the two. I think Grant seems to favor the tried and true proven stuff while VO seems to like to experiment with new versions using cheaper Taiwanese mfgers ~Mike On Feb 4, 5:55 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. That is my understanding. The BOBs may have to chime in here, but I always thought Bridgestone in the Grant years was trying to translate at scale what the small, Francophile Japanese shops (such as Toei) Jitensha championed were doing. On Feb 3, 8:55 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Feb 3, 1:08 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha should not be included in a list of me too Riv companies. Jitensha has been around for quite some time, possibly longer than Riv, though I am not certain on that. Jitensha is actually pre-Rivendell, so if anything, Rivendell is a Me too Jitensha. :) Grant wrote somewhere that he used to hang out at Jitensha, and that was where he knew Pineapple Bob of the Bridgestone catalog fame. -B- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
Dave: However, aren't 40h hubs (Phil or otherwise) generally quite a bit more expensive than 36h Shimano XT's? That is a good point. While 40h rims are not more expensive, if you are buying new hubs the market for 40h is small enough you will pay premium. NOS (and even good condition used) MaxiCar hubs are always going to come at cost. I did not think about current manufacturers when I posted my earlier reply. taking the TIME for the actual experience. Sadly, for some people, planning and buying gear is the extent of their progress towards their dream trip. That said, I also think that planning and buying gear are fun and valid parts of the overall experience of adventuring - but they're not THE adventure. Also a good point. I will heartily recommend MaxiCars to anyone who can find a set. That said, the lack of MaxiCars should never keep someone from going on tour! On Feb 4, 10:19 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Joel I agree. It is a matter of preference. I love having nice parts on my bikes whenever possible. Perhaps you are also right that the weight of 4 more spokes is insignificant. I haven't compared the weights of my 40h and 36h rear wheels, so I don't know. I also agree that choosing what goes into your panniers is the most significant factor in overall weight (other than body weight). However, aren't 40h hubs (Phil or otherwise) generally quite a bit more expensive than 36h Shimano XT's? The latter work just fine for extended touring. For folks on any kind of a budget, who want to have strong, functional gear, it makes sense not to overbuild with expensive parts when less expensive, but good quality parts will do. In my field (adventure/outdoor education), I see a lot of folks, mainly middle-aged people like me, who delay their dream adventures in order to purchase the best tools for those adventures. The cost for many is having to work longer to pay for the experience instead of taking the TIME for the actual experience. Sadly, for some people, planning and buying gear is the extent of their progress towards their dream trip. That said, I also think that planning and buying gear are fun and valid parts of the overall experience of adventuring - but they're not THE adventure. OK, I'm ranging waaay off topic here and I'll stop. Gary, did you get your answer?? Dave On Feb 4, 8:49 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I agree with Dave... the 40 and 48 hole rims seem like overkill. I've done week long tours on handbuilt 32h wheels. It is a matter of preference. 40h rims are not more expensive than 36h. A lot of choices on what goes into the panniers are going to have far more impact on weight than 4 spokes. I certainly do not think having 40h wheels are a critical for my completing a tour. But overkill meaning what? Not like I have lost anything having them. As my 40h wheels are built around smooth rolling Maxicar hubs, I get a plush ride few wheelsets can match. On Feb 4, 9:38 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I agree with Dave... the 40 and 48 hole rims seem like overkill. I've done week long tours on handbuilt 32h wheels. I weigh about 190lbs .If you use good stiff rims ( Dyad's in my case), thr right spokes and fat tires a 36 hole rim is plenty. ~Mike On Feb 4, 7:29 am, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: Gary I weigh 205 and I run the stock 26 rims on my Long Haul Trucker with Schwalbe Marathon Supremes (26x50). As I wrote in another post, the fatter tires are now my choice for all loaded tours. I know you didn't ask about your choice of 40h rims, but I thought I might add some unsolicited advice. I have never had a well-built, 36- hole wheel fail on a tour - poor stock rims, yes - but not handbuilt wheels. I think lots of folks make the assumption that more is better for expeditioning. A 40 hole rim seems way overbuilt for front wheels for someone your size. With a 26-inch wheel, 40h in the rear also seems excessive. Here's another consideration: I had a nice, custom 40h rear wheel on my Bombadil during one tour. When the rim self- destructed due to a manufacturing defect, I was hard-pressed to find an easily available replacement rim on which I could use my expensive 40h hub. I ended up using a cheap ( $100) 36h wheel for the last half of the tour and it worked just as well as the $400 wheel it replaced. Save yourself some money for panniers, etc. You could go with a cheaper front wheel at least. With tires as nice as the Scwalbe Supremes and the versatility of fatter tires, I really don't see any reason to run thinner tires for loaded touring or rough riding unless your bike won't accommodate the fat ones. Dave On Jan 28, 2:07 pm, Gary g...@worldcyclotour.com wrote: I'm looking to get a new touring wheelset and would like some feedback. The wheels
[RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
Of course, those Maxicar hubs use freewheels, and they're not as easy to find as cassettes, either. If one failed on a tour you might be hard pressed to find a replacement -- even more so if French threaded. I have been a mad MaxiCar collector (horder?) for years now. The two wheel sets I have built up - the instant 700 touring set and a set for my forthcoming 650b are BSA. The French threads stay on my display shelf. If you are following strict deadlines on your tour, getting a new freewheel or rim may be an issue. I have never - and do not currently have plans to - toured anywhere FedEx and UPS do not serve. If I ever get stuck in nowhereville for a day or two, I am sure I can make the most of it. On Feb 4, 10:54 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 07:49 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: I certainly do not think having 40h wheels are a critical for my completing a tour. But overkill meaning what? Not like I have lost anything having them. As my 40h wheels are built around smooth rolling Maxicar hubs, I get a plush ride few wheelsets can match. Overkill in the sense of being unnecessary, perhaps. However, you have lost something. Chances are, you could find a 36 hole rim in 700C, anyway, most anywhere, but finding a 40 hole rim might be about as difficult as finding a 650B rim. Not impossible, of course, but not as easy. Of course, those Maxicar hubs use freewheels, and they're not as easy to find as cassettes, either. If one failed on a tour you might be hard pressed to find a replacement -- even more so if French threaded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Supremes for mild off-road (non-pavement)
Not sure I'd want them as racing tires on farm roads in the driftless region of Iowa. But for most things short of that, they'd be fine. Services are kind of far and few between, otherwise, Northeast Iowa is a great place to ride. Scenery is otherworldly. Not crowded, even during the best weather. The geology extends east of the Mississippi into Wisconsin and Illinois, but car tourism is far more prevalent in those states. On Feb 3, 5:25 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Have used both the 26 and 700C versions on non-paved roads and/or trails. They work just fine. Not sure I'd want them as racing tires on farm roads in the driftless region of Iowa. But for most things short of that, they'd be fine. But yeah, they do get slippery on ice. But not much worse than a Pasela or similar lightly grooved tire. Haven't tried them in snow. Prefer the grip of studded tires. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Feb 3, 2:38 am, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: They slip on ice..just ask me! I ride mine on dirt, gravel, minor mud like riding through mud puddles and the surrounding muddy areas but mostly pavement. You just have to be careful. I like the lighter weight, low rolling resistance and width of the my 700 x 40's (38mm actual). I can ride them at lower pressures and I have enough volume that I avoid pinch flats and they roll fast with about 65 psi and I am 265+ these days. On Feb 2, 8:35 pm, J. Burkhalter burk...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Forrest, I have the 40s on my QB, and while I bought them for my daily/nightly commuting here in Denver, they have seen a fair amount of dirt road/ trail action up in the mtns. Absolutely super tire! Obviously not the best in thick sand or mud, but for forest service roads, etc. they are great. -Jay B On Feb 2, 6:45 pm, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote: How capable are the Schwalbe Marathon Supremes for mild non-pavement riding -- e.g., gravel roads, crushed rock rail trails, and the like? Thanks, -- Forrest (in immediate-post-blizzard Iowa City)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Supremes for mild off-road (non-pavement)
Oh and on topic: Riding in Western Illinois on a limestone trail, Supreme 38s did well until the rain. They spun a lot on me after the trails got drenched. On Feb 2, 7:45 pm, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote: How capable are the Schwalbe Marathon Supremes for mild non-pavement riding -- e.g., gravel roads, crushed rock rail trails, and the like? Thanks, -- Forrest (in immediate-post-blizzard Iowa City) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO/Rivendell Cross Blog Post
I found the comments about the soap altogether more interesting than the diet stuff. On Feb 3, 8:35 am, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2011/02/paleo-rambling.html Not too oft intersection of VO and Rivendell, it's about the diet stuff so if you've signed off from that topic please move along. No comments from myself. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO/Rivendell Cross Blog Post
Jitensha should not be included in a list of me too Riv companies. Jitensha has been around for quite some time, possibly longer than Riv, though I am not certain on that. It is a local bicycle store operated by a Japanese American that makes Japanese small shop bicycle parts available in the United States. Jitensha has never tried to be a mass marketer. It has an online catalogue, but no on line purchasing. Jitensha rather quaintly shuts down when the owner goes to Japan. Frankly, I never really saw VO as a me too company for that matter. True Riv and VO sell steel bikes and market more toward the commuter/ tourer than sporting cyclist. But Riv is and always has been focused around GP's rather unique ideas on how a bike should fit and look. VO's bikes are admittedly copies of classic French designs. The components Riv sells are usually not GP's designs, but rather nice stuff Riv finds that seem like good matches for their bikes. GP will usually only get into the component design fray when there is concern the components manufacturers will otherwise stop making a useful part. Riv does not distribute much, if any, components to local bike shops (heck, it hardly distributes its frames to local bike shops any more). As with its bikes, VO sells mostly reworked French designs made in Taiwan shops under the VO label. VO sells its components on line, but its main business is distributing them to bike shops around the U.S. and even abroad. On Feb 3, 2:36 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: Allen, I'm with you, i've been a Rivendell customer going back to 1999 but i hadn't bought anything since 2005 until 2010 building up my Hillborne. So all these new sources for what i considered Riv'ish but i guess others would use a more generic term, bike parts like Velo Orange, Jitensha, etc was a surprise to me. I don't know how long they've been around and i don;t attribute the resurgence of classic bike parts to Rivendell (but i'm sure their advocacy didn't hurt). But i do wonder how they all interact with each other. It's also nice for me to have VO on the east coast as packages come a lot faster, and i can drive there in 2 hours in a pinch. I know some people are one or the other, but i don't find them mutually exclusive, there are things at VO i would not put on my own bike but that's just my style. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Wheelset question
I use the 26 RhynoLite on my own touring bike, 48h rear and 40h front. Cool! I weigh 155 or so and carry moderate loads touring. But I love the look and security riding on 40h rims. The only 48h Maxicar hubs I could find were tandem width, otherwise I would have liked to have a 48h rear wheel as well. On Feb 3, 6:18 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: There is no practical tire width limitation. I have many times run 2 or bigger tires on rims 24 mm or slightly narrower. If you need rims, I have a shocking number of 26 40h rims, mostly Velocity Aeroheat (black) and Sun RhynoLite (polished silver). I use the 26 RhynoLite on my own touring bike, 48h rear and 40h front. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO/Rivendell Cross Blog Post
I had the pleasure of meeting Chris at the 2009 NAHBS.. he's exudes a great bike vibe and attitude. Good guy and VO is a good company. I just do not see him as being a direct Riv competitor. GP and Chris believe in steel and are not so interested in racing. Otherwise, their niches are pretty distinct to me anyway. On Feb 3, 8:14 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I'm thrilled that VO is in business... I think they provide a wide variety of great and useful bike frames, parts and products at reasonable prices. I own a Campagne handlebar bag, which I think is a quality bag. Regarding their bike frames, VO seems to have picked up where Kogswell left off after Matthew Grimm closed up shop. I can easily envision a VO frame in my future... (or if I have a good year, possibly another Riv... oh well) I had the pleasure of meeting Chris at the 2009 NAHBS.. he's exudes a great bike vibe and attitude. On Feb 3, 4:08 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Jitensha should not be included in a list of me too Riv companies. Jitensha has been around for quite some time, possibly longer than Riv, though I am not certain on that. It is a local bicycle store operated by a Japanese American that makes Japanese small shop bicycle parts available in the United States. Jitensha has never tried to be a mass marketer. It has an online catalogue, but no on line purchasing. Jitensha rather quaintly shuts down when the owner goes to Japan. Frankly, I never really saw VO as a me too company for that matter. True Riv and VO sell steel bikes and market more toward the commuter/ tourer than sporting cyclist. But Riv is and always has been focused around GP's rather unique ideas on how a bike should fit and look. VO's bikes are admittedly copies of classic French designs. The components Riv sells are usually not GP's designs, but rather nice stuff Riv finds that seem like good matches for their bikes. GP will usually only get into the component design fray when there is concern the components manufacturers will otherwise stop making a useful part. Riv does not distribute much, if any, components to local bike shops (heck, it hardly distributes its frames to local bike shops any more). As with its bikes, VO sells mostly reworked French designs made in Taiwan shops under the VO label. VO sells its components on line, but its main business is distributing them to bike shops around the U.S. and even abroad. On Feb 3, 2:36 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: Allen, I'm with you, i've been a Rivendell customer going back to 1999 but i hadn't bought anything since 2005 until 2010 building up my Hillborne. So all these new sources for what i considered Riv'ish but i guess others would use a more generic term, bike parts like Velo Orange, Jitensha, etc was a surprise to me. I don't know how long they've been around and i don;t attribute the resurgence of classic bike parts to Rivendell (but i'm sure their advocacy didn't hurt). But i do wonder how they all interact with each other. It's also nice for me to have VO on the east coast as packages come a lot faster, and i can drive there in 2 hours in a pinch. I know some people are one or the other, but i don't find them mutually exclusive, there are things at VO i would not put on my own bike but that's just my style.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Helmet Cameras Capture Bad Driving
From my view, it appears the banging noise was the van running into the cyclist. Even if he did bang on the van, what of it? The van was forcing him into road barricades. Are you saying you would not expect a car to sound its horn in that situation? On Feb 1, 9:32 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Banging on the side of the vehicle? All bets are off at that point, you're on your own. On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: A friend sent me this link to a BBC News UK article. Interesting thought that might be applicable to some who are commuting on a regular basis. Here's the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12334486 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
...and the abus monobloc like this:http://bs0.hl-hosting.hu/ter/abus_winner_chain_92w65_lanc_lakat-402.jpg I have that chain but a different pad lock. Only downside is the weight. Patrick's solution - living the device on a rack you frequent - is the best if practical where you ride. Somewhat difficult in my area because there are so many cyclists and so few racks. I use the lock and chain on a bike in my storage room. If a miscreant ever managed to get through the main door and my room door, h/she would find an even more formidable security device to defeat. On Jan 29, 1:29 pm, omnigrid omnig...@gmail.com wrote: ...and the abus monobloc like this:http://bs0.hl-hosting.hu/ter/abus_winner_chain_92w65_lanc_lakat-402.jpg On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:25 PM, omnigrid omnig...@gmail.com wrote: I like this abus padlock: http://www.bikeregistry.com/estore/product_info.php?products_id=55os... the kryptonite fah mini u-lock can be had on ebay for about 60 bucks w/ free shipping. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:11 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.comwrote: Mike -- I'm by no means a security expert and, in fact, even as a layman I have relatively little experience because for the last 20+ years I've been fortunate to have been able to park my bikes in my offices (and now, I work from home). So I'm really playing this by the seat of my pants (that may be a grossly mixed metaphor -- hear out of my ass? Anyway ...) but for my purpose -- short term parking of expensive, custom Riv outside well trafficked grocery store in decent area, for example -- it ought to be very adequate and it is cheaper than buying a Krypto mini. I suppose you could smash the padlock with a sledgehammer, but in use I think the ensemble would hang off the downtube, held in place by the relatively tight link it makes between downtube and whatever post I use, so that a thief could not get a good blow in, even if he had the privacy to do so. I expect a Sawzall could get through the chain, but again, with a lot of noise, the need for a second person to hold the chain steady, and at least more time than required to slice through a U with a bolt cutter. But then a Sawzall could get thru any lock with the right postioning, no? I expect it is as good as the Krypto Mini 5 which K says is the choice of bike messengers) and goes for about $50; is it as good as the K NY Fuggedaboutit mini, which one site claimed withstood the leverage of 25+ stone of two guys hanging off the shackle on a 4.5' bar and which costs over $100. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, I am really intrigued by this method you've come up with, especially after seeing that video of the not-so magnificent 7. While I doubt there are too many bicycle thieves walking around with 4-foot boltcutters, it's clear your cheapo solution is better than those pricey locks. The one concern I have is the weak link of that setup, which is obviously the cutter-resistant padlock. Even if boltcutters can't mess with that, is there another common tool that could easily break the padlock? This post has made me semi-somewhat-super paranoid about security for my $2500+ RIv, and I don't know what to do. Also, has it been confirmed that boltcutters can slice through a kryptonite mini with no problem? That's what I'm using now. The price is quality defect in my thinking says that this $27 solution couldn't possible be good enough, and the $125 Abus Bordo is the best bet because it's fancy German engineering. Obviously, every lock is vulnerable and it's really about deterrence, but alas... On Jan 29, 12:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm debating where to leave it -- perhaps at the nearest Sunflower market which I ride to 1X a week or so. It's about as small as I can make it without compromising use or (wrt lock) security, but at 3lb 3 oz it's a lb heavier than a large Kryptonite. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of the price. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a rack or pole you attach it to. The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet was remarkably light. On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20 length of their towing chain and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, the ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around
[RBW] Re: game changer dyno hub, bikes, cars, being green etc.
At what cost though ? Concrete cracks and weathers and weeds grow through it just as it does with asphalt. It costs quite a bit to maintain roadways. A United States spending less money spent on autos and sending less money overseas for oil has the money to build better roads for lighter modes of transit with much left over for the bank. Have you ever watched any of those ridiculous doomsday movies that show how New York city would look after 1000 years, its amazing what doesn't survive the elements and the test of time No, but I have seen the 2000 year old Roman water reservoir outside Napoli with cement so intact it could still hold thousands of gallons of water if it were not such a popular tourist attraction. Same trip I walked over the Pons Fabricus (~2,050 years old) and the Pons Aelius (Ponte St.'Angelo ~1,990) bridges in Roma both of which are still in everyday use. Just sayin' Cheers! On Jan 28, 11:29 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: At what cost though ? Concrete cracks and weathers and weeds grow through it just as it does with asphalt. It costs quite a bit to maintain roadways.less autos = less money for maintenance= more bicycles with wide tires ! Have you ever watched any of those ridiculous doomsday movies that show how New York city would look after 1000 years, its amazing what doesn't survive the elements and the test of time. Just sayin ! cheers : ) On Jan 28, 6:21 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: This is part of where I was coming from in that road maintenance can't be done without petroleum, at least not good asphalt. And boy do we bicyclists love a good road surface. Flat out wrong. If there were fewer vehicles, we would not need as many streets/roads and those we would have would be subject to less stress. Ergo, we could use hardened cement which when done right is both more cush to ride on and durable than cheapo asphalt streets. On Jan 27, 8:51 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: This is part of where I was coming from in that road maintenance can't be done without petroleum, at least not good asphalt. And boy do we bicyclists love a good road surface.Taking things to the extreme also stirs thought and responses so...following the Grok idea to the extreme would lead to the most green way of life. Talk about low impact on the environment. I am aware that transitions from a sophisticated society to a primitive one are slower under normal circumstances. I often think of the ancient Egyptians, do we really know how technologically advanced they were? How much do we know of their understanding of medicine and science etc. ? How much information has survived of other ancient cultures and how sophisticated were they really? As an aside we've been on the paleolithic diet for a few weeks, more or less and its making a difference and I hope it will pay off when I bicycle. I'm definitely down with going electric, automobile wise also and may even try a motor on a cargo bike some day since I am a full 25 miles from the big city. What does this shotgun approach to posting have to do with Rivendell ? It seems Grant writes about stuff like this and I enjoy it when he does. One thing I do know is that I can hardly wait to get a dyno hub and generate my own electricity while bicycling. On Jan 27, 6:08 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jan 27, 10:54 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: My brother, you paint too gloomy a picture. If we run out of fossil fuels-there's more than one way skin a cat. All cars, trucks, trains (don't know about planes) will be electric, so buy GE stock early. You seem to only acknowledge that oil is for burning. However, oil is used for far more than burning for energy to power our cars, make electricity, etc. For example, almost all plastic and rubber is made from oil. Fertilizers that enabled the green revolution (this has nothing to do with being eco-friendly) are mostly made from fossil fuel (natural gas), so you are essentially eating oil. Even fairly recent innovations like pharmaceuticals are made from organic compounds that are derived from oil. This entire world basically runs on oil, and I'm not only taking transportation. It is surprising that not more people realize that. Should we really be burning however many gallons per mile of this precious resource, instead of using it for, for example, life-saving drugs or useful plastic items? -B- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http
[RBW] Re: game changer dyno hub, bikes, cars, being green etc.
This is part of where I was coming from in that road maintenance can't be done without petroleum, at least not good asphalt. And boy do we bicyclists love a good road surface. Flat out wrong. If there were fewer vehicles, we would not need as many streets/roads and those we would have would be subject to less stress. Ergo, we could use hardened cement which when done right is both more cush to ride on and durable than cheapo asphalt streets. On Jan 27, 8:51 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: This is part of where I was coming from in that road maintenance can't be done without petroleum, at least not good asphalt. And boy do we bicyclists love a good road surface.Taking things to the extreme also stirs thought and responses so...following the Grok idea to the extreme would lead to the most green way of life. Talk about low impact on the environment. I am aware that transitions from a sophisticated society to a primitive one are slower under normal circumstances. I often think of the ancient Egyptians, do we really know how technologically advanced they were? How much do we know of their understanding of medicine and science etc. ? How much information has survived of other ancient cultures and how sophisticated were they really? As an aside we've been on the paleolithic diet for a few weeks, more or less and its making a difference and I hope it will pay off when I bicycle. I'm definitely down with going electric, automobile wise also and may even try a motor on a cargo bike some day since I am a full 25 miles from the big city. What does this shotgun approach to posting have to do with Rivendell ? It seems Grant writes about stuff like this and I enjoy it when he does. One thing I do know is that I can hardly wait to get a dyno hub and generate my own electricity while bicycling. On Jan 27, 6:08 pm, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: On Jan 27, 10:54 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: My brother, you paint too gloomy a picture. If we run out of fossil fuels-there's more than one way skin a cat. All cars, trucks, trains (don't know about planes) will be electric, so buy GE stock early. You seem to only acknowledge that oil is for burning. However, oil is used for far more than burning for energy to power our cars, make electricity, etc. For example, almost all plastic and rubber is made from oil. Fertilizers that enabled the green revolution (this has nothing to do with being eco-friendly) are mostly made from fossil fuel (natural gas), so you are essentially eating oil. Even fairly recent innovations like pharmaceuticals are made from organic compounds that are derived from oil. This entire world basically runs on oil, and I'm not only taking transportation. It is surprising that not more people realize that. Should we really be burning however many gallons per mile of this precious resource, instead of using it for, for example, life-saving drugs or useful plastic items? -B- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Marathon Supremes
I started on Marathon ?? Plus / Supreme.. the ones with the flat protection you could put a thumb tack in without a puncture. Two different tires. Marathon plus is the tire with the real thick inner layer: http://smtp.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/marathon_plus_tour It is designed for people riding in very rugged conditions as one might find in rural Africa or South America. The Supreme is a lighter tire made with a special flat resistant compound: http://smtp.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/marathon_supreme It has less rolling resistance than the plus. Then I bought my Bombadil with 700x50 Big Apples.. WOW.. why would anyone tour on anything less that that? If you have a bike that can accommodate Big Apples they are definitely worth considering. Very comfortable tires. On Jan 27, 11:04 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: I started on Marathon ?? Plus / Supreme.. the ones with the flat protection you could put a thumb tack in without a puncture. I first ran these 700x28's on a tour between Boulder Colorado and St Louis Mo. The sold me along the way as I drank coffee and watched friends patch tubes from goat heads. (multiple times daily) Great story, one of my friends took his tire of to patch the tube and it had six holes in it. I just rode and enjoyed. I then went to the 700x35's for the next several tours, all short one week things. I loved the extra stability and the better ride. Once again I've never had a flat with these tires. I will continue to use them on tours but they are too heavy for daily riding in my opinion. For daily riding I'm loving the JB's. Then I bought my Bombadil with 700x50 Big Apples.. WOW.. why would anyone tour on anything less that that? Ok why would I (and won't) ever tour on anything less than that. It's just a marvelous feeling loaded up. Stability, good roll etc. So I'll have to see if the Big Apple has the same quality protection or not before the next tour.. but I'm just sold on bigger tires period... Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
Right crafty of you Patrick. Abus level security at a fraction of the price. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out more rugged than many a rack or pole you attach it to. The only thing more secure will be when someone figures out how to duplicate the alloy Predator used for its lances. As I recall in Predator 2 some scientist said it more hard than any known metal yet was remarkably light. On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a $50 or so Krypto U lock that I bought a few months ago, but after seeing the video I went to the nearby True Value and got a 20 length of their towing chain and a bolt-cutter resistant padlock, all for $27 or so. With a length of innertube to cover the chain, the ensemble weighs 3 lb 3 oz, and is just long enough to wrap around the front wheel and down tube of one of my customs and have length to spare for a narrow post. (These Rivs have small wheels, and since there is a larger gap between rim and dt, the chain has to be a few inches longer than for a comparable 622 bike.) The shop man spent a good 15 minutes cutting my length; he got most of the way through, more quickly, with a bench grinder, but had to finish the last few mm with a hacksaw. I should have tipped him. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Michael Richters michael.richt...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? There are some videos here that might help you decide how secure your chain is: http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ They are selling something, but the videos are still fairly impressive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com CHAIN LOCK.jpg 56KViewDownload -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: game changer dyno hub, bikes, cars, being green etc.
Personally I think a dyno hub is always a good idea, regardless of season. In the summer (even with long days) it simply extends your riding and removes daylight limitations... As far as the idea of a clutch mechanism IMO, the clutch mechanism dynohub is a solution looking for a problem. The drag on my SON hub bikes is so minimal I never notice it. The clutch dyno will almost certainly have more moving parts than a SON. Maybe it should not be this way, but seems the more components that make up a product, the more chance the product will malfunction. Add to the mix this particular company is looking to compete pricewise with the entry level dynos. Time will tell, but I smell a bust. On Jan 27, 11:10 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Personally I think a dyno hub is always a good idea, regardless of season. In the summer (even with long days) it simply extends your riding and removes daylight limitations... As far as the idea of a clutch mechanism, I haven't been able to noticeably detect drag on any of the dynamo hubs I've ridden (Schmidt, Shimano, SRAM and Sturmey- Archer). Then again, I'm not a go-fast rider, nor particularly sensitive to riding subtleties, so it would take major drag before I'd begin to notice it... not to say others won't feel it... I simply seem to be insensitive to it. Peace, Bobby Ain't feelin' the drag Birmingham On Jan 27, 4:43 am, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm looking to get one of the new dyno hubs but can't seem to get a firm price. I'd even pay in advance. It will be getting lighter out soon so it might be moot for me to even have one until next fall. Seems like the timing is a little off on these. Bikes and cars yea.what a long discussion all that was, what with being green and all..I say its all hogwash. If we do run out of fossil fuels you can kiss our roadways goodbye we'll all be walking like Grok eventually and society will be back in the stone age. The fact is, we humans are too dumb to figure it out from generation to generation and we tend to forget the lessons of the past. Its a self correcting problem ultimately anyway. If we mess it up so bad that life as we know it all falls apart, enough of us will die off and the human race can start again in some primitive way of living. The earth will clean itself up atmospherically etc. and our bones will become fertilizer for a future Groks vegetable garden. Until then, I intend to ride often and live well..yes I recycle and probably live more green than most people but I don't think it matters much in the grand scheme of things. In spite of my general skepticism I do think a generator hub, with a clutch that is reliable, is a fine idea and I need lights on my bicycle if I am to ride at night.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: game changer dyno hub, bikes, cars, being green etc.
wholesale arrangement, if they haven't already. Supporting Rivendell with your biz is well and good, but there's a case to be made for working with your local bike professionals. Agreed. Bike light wiring is delicate. A few years back I did the wiring on my then camping bike. Second day of my trip (not having ridden in the dark the first day), I arrived at Nantucket just at dusk (new moon as well) only to discover the head light would not work. Some wiring had come loose while riding. Nantucket has no street lights outside of the harbor town area. My destination was the far side of the Island. Tired after a long day of riding, I wound up having to walk the bike for 40 minutes. Pretty sure the very competent mechanics at Boulevard Bike would have set the wiring in place a lot better than I. On Jan 27, 1:41 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I should point out that Peter White is THE wholesaler for many of the German lighting products, and Rivendell is not the only outfit that sells these items at the retail level. We at Hiawatha Cyclery have been selling Schmidt hubs/lights, BM lights, etc, since we opened our doors five years ago. If you have a LBS you like, they can also get in touch with Peter for a wholesale arrangement, if they haven't already. Supporting Rivendell with your biz is well and good, but there's a case to be made for working with your local bike professionals. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Toyo versus Waterford Atlantis
For example, are their differences between the acclaimed Toyo and current Waterford forks? Does Waterford make the Atlantis forks? Nobilette made the early Waterford Hilsen forks. On Jan 26, 12:42 pm, Bob prov...@umbc.edu wrote: The current Riv Atlantis is built by Waterford. My original question concerned whether, excluding paint, braze ons and probably tubing, the Waterford is identical to the Toyo build. This is not questionaing the obviously excellent Riv quality, but about subtle specifics of interest to velohistorians an bike nerds. The question remains unanswered. For example, are their differences between the acclaimed Toyo and current Waterford forks? What about subtle bends in the chainstay and other tubing? There must be things that Toyo and Waterford do uniquely well. What are they? On Jan 26, 1:19 pm, Ryan ryter...@mts.net wrote: As far as I know, Atlantises (Atlanti?) were only Toyo-built. But I'm sure that someone will correct me if I'm wrong. My impression is that later models...I'm thinking of the AHH in particular ...were either Toyo or Waterford-built. And as others on this thread have noted, the Sams are either built by Waterford or in Taiwan under the supervision of Toyo That being said, regardless of the origin, Grant's design philosophy and attention to detail are evident...you say tomaytoes and I say tomaahtoes . Rivendells are great bikes Regards, Ryan in Winnipeg,MB On Jan 22, 10:34 pm, Bob prov...@umbc.edu wrote: How does the Toyo built Atlantis differ in quality and/or geometry from the Waterford edition? Exclude differences in braze-ons, kickstand plate and range of sizes. In other words, what, if anything, was gained or lost by the change in builder?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 700c vs. 650b, again
Standover height matters somewhat, but when it comes to proper bike fit it is pretty far down the list, unless of course your intended use will see you standing over the top tube a lot as opposed to riding. When I pick a bike, I look for a size that best fits my riding position. Factors such as proper leg extension without putting the seat post too high or low, proper handle bar reach with an average length and height stem, and being able to mount my chosen saddle in the middle of its rails all seem a lot more important to me than the where the top tube is when I stand over it. If these factors favor the 54, that may be the best choice. If they favor the 57, well there you are. n.b.: At 5'11 with an 82.5 pbh, most of my bikes have been 58s. The right Hilsen for me is the 59. On Jan 26, 11:21 am, NME nicolemea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, This is sort of a goldilocks question and a little bit rambling, so please bear with me! I just put a deposit down on my first Rivendell, an AHH. My PBH (81) suggests a 54cm (650b). I test rode a 54, but for some reason, it didn't feel quite right -- a little twitchy. There are about six thousand possible reasons for that: I had never ridden 650b (only 27), the standover (78.6) was a centimeter shorter than I was used to, I hadn't ridden drop bars in 8 years, and the stem seemed very high. Overall, it was a great ride, but somehow not perfect. Besides that, the frame looked (visually, psychologically) too small, somehow. They didn't have any 56cm's built up, so I tried a too-big 57cm (700c). Visually, it looks more like the right size, even if my PB was touching the top tube (83cm standover) when in bare feet. The ride felt more stable, even if the top-tube was too long. Jay suggested that it was perhaps because of the longer wheel base on the 57. It's hard for me to explain why the 57 felt better than the 54: was it the stem height? The longer wheel base on the 57? The larger wheel size, which is closer to what I am used to? The larger frame? Or was it purely psychological because the 54 looked small? So now I'm left with a choice: the 55cm (700c) or the 56cm (650b). The standover is virtually identical for both, halfway in between the 54 and the 57. I've never owned a bike with either wheel size, so they are both a little abstract for me right now. I know there have been a lot of discussions on this topic before, and this group encouraged at least one person to go with the 650b size. I'm actually leaning a little toward the 55cm 700c because this bike might travel with me to Russia at some point, and I'm not sure about the availability of 650b there, and because I am wondering if it was the longer wheel base that made the 57 feel better to me. But I'd rather have the right bike, and if that's a 650b bike, then so be it. This would all be easier if I could ride both side by side, but that's not possible right now. What are your impressions about how the two wheel sizes ride differently? Any insight you might have would be great. Thanks so much! Nicole -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: SKS Lonboard fenders
I emailed Peter White about the berthoud SKS fenders last week. He said they have been discontinued. Oh that is a pity. They are very nice fenders. On Jan 26, 12:15 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I have also heard reports that these have a more rounded profile, similar to the Berthoud models, but have not seen them in the flesh yet. Unfortunately the images on universal seem to be computer generated. These could be just the ticket for the roadeo if I had not bought into the planet bikes fenders a couple months ago. I emailed Peter White about the berthoud SKS fenders last week. He said they have been discontinued. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
The Bordo locks are intriguing, but I've hard the rivets are a weak point. Have you held a Bordo in your hand? It is German made industrial strength. Even if the thief had a high impact power tool (just happened to be walking down the street with my pneumatic punch) the rivets are so tough the Bordo would have to be set on something hard in order for the punch to do anything other than knock the Bordo around. Abus are head and shoulders above the competition. On Jan 26, 2:54 pm, Mike S mikeshalj...@gmail.com wrote: I had a feeling that locking to only the wheel could be very vulnerable, good to have my paranoia validated! I also use the kryptonite mini on my Quickbeam, and lock the frame to that (usually rear seat stay, main/seat stay if rack calls for it) in addition to using a Pitlock on the front Schmidt dynowheel and seatpost. My rear is a 6mm Phil track hub and I usually leave that unlocked, but I may look into the previously mentioned anti-theft skewer for solid axles. My bike is usually locked up at a college campus with low threat potential or other very visible locations where it doesn't stay for long. The pitlocks are really fantastically well made and I'd highly recommend them, despite the high price. The other cheap anti-theft device I use by Zefal is low-quality and generally annoying (have to turn bike upside down and tap bolt to undo). I use to use the ABUS cable locl Riv sells, but I'm almost relieved I lost that as it may have provided a false sense of security. The Bordo locks are intriguing, but I've hard the rivets are a weak point. On Jan 25, 9:43 pm, Mark in Melbourne mbi...@gmail.com wrote: I commute in Melbourne, Australia, where I think the risk of theft is moderate. I love the Kryptonite Mini, for its strength, size and weight, compared to other U locks. I used to use the Sheldon method, until I saw this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9fLtdZyX-A I think Sheldon got this one wrong, proving simultaneously that he was both human and a God Amongst Men. I also use a 6' cable through the wheels and saddle, and if the situation warrants, secure this with a separate padlock.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
Those hardened chains are pretty tough to cut. After the Portland NAHBS there was a video demonstrating how hard it is to cut thick chain with bolt cutters. Some of the wild and crazy Portlanders chained their bikes on a barricade or something the hall managers wanted to keep clear. The video shows a security guard with big honking bolt cutters cutting through some U-Locks as though they were butter. When he gets to the hardened chain he huffs and puffs but cannot blow the chain apart. The down side to hardened chain of course is their weight. Your solution is an elegant one, especially if you leave your bike frequently some place where there is not a lot of competition at the rack. I've thought of doing the same here in Chicago. It would be great to have that level of protection without having to lug the chain and lock around. Problem is unless I beat other riders to the rack, my chain will be under the wheels of a bunch of other bikes and I would have to collect it and go looking for another lock. On Jan 26, 5:07 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I've got various locks of various degrees of security scattered about the larger metropolitan area, one of which is a 3' length of super hard chain that I bought from True Value for less than $12, plus shackle protected lock (it has bolsters that slip over the shackle to make it hard for a bolt cutter to fit), all covered in a (multi-patched!) section of innertube. The chain is very heavy and the man had to cut it with a grinder -- he claimed that a bolt cutter will not get through it. Can anyone tell me how secure such chains *really* are? And how such locks stand up to thievery? (The lock is currently looped and lock'd around the pedestal of an outdoor table at our church and the lock mech has successfully resisted about 12 mos of dirt, water, etc. -- for many months it was looped about a tree so that the lock itself was partially buried in the surrounding dirt.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
I use the Abus Bordo here in Chicago: http://www.lockitt.com/Bicycleproducts.htm#Bordo 6100 The Bordo is flexible, allowing me to lock to the most secure structure no matter where I ride. The Bordo holder attaches to water bottle cage bosses, making it very easy to carry. The Bordo is flexible enough that I can usually run it through the front wheel and the bike frame. My theory being a rear wheel with fenders, Pitlock skewer and the derailer make it highly unlikely anyone is going to try and remove the wheel. If the area is dicey enough, I will loop a cable through the rear wheel, saddle and Bordo and lock them all together. I use the German Pitlock skewers Peter White sells, not the VO (there are several other knock off brands as well) knock offs to protect my wheels. Pitlock makes a seat lock device, but it only works with a seat tube collar. On Jan 25, 12:56 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So, still too darn cold outside for me but dreaming of spring. As my Hillborne is my first 'nice' bike in forever i've been thinking about bike lock options strategies. I'm asking the collective because part of me things, hey this is a nice looking bike better protect it. and another part of me is saying hey, this ain't no go-fast flashy bike, it's not a target. so i'm trying to resolve how much i should really worry about locking it up, strategies etc. In the past i've always just used a simple cable lock, but that's been on my cruiser (which while it looks really nice, i didn't consider it a theft risk). As my Hillborne has a few expensive things on it (phil rear wheel, nitto racks, etc) i'm a little more inclined to be more careful, so what are people's approaches? U-lock the rear wheel+bike to post and then cable to the front wheel? dual u-locks? Please keep in mind that i need to carry all the locks as well so something like a kryptonite nyc chain lock is out of the question. If it helps this is for around town riding and that would mostly be in and around Washington DC but mostly the suburbs of DC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: RBW style bike security
If you have a solid axle, you need to go with these: http://www.urbanbiketech.com/category-s/26.htm On Jan 25, 4:52 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So it sounds like the overall consensus is Pitlock to secure the wheels, u-lock to secure the bike with a cable if you need to secure the ancillary stuff. Does anyone know if the pitlock system works with bolt-on hubs? my phil rear has 6MM bolts securing it instead of a QR. Anyone done the switch in this case? On Jan 25, 5:12 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I use the Abus Bordo here in Chicago: http://www.lockitt.com/Bicycleproducts.htm#Bordo 6100 The Bordo is flexible, allowing me to lock to the most secure structure no matter where I ride. The Bordo holder attaches to water bottle cage bosses, making it very easy to carry. The Bordo is flexible enough that I can usually run it through the front wheel and the bike frame. My theory being a rear wheel with fenders, Pitlock skewer and the derailer make it highly unlikely anyone is going to try and remove the wheel. If the area is dicey enough, I will loop a cable through the rear wheel, saddle and Bordo and lock them all together. I use the German Pitlock skewers Peter White sells, not the VO (there are several other knock off brands as well) knock offs to protect my wheels. Pitlock makes a seat lock device, but it only works with a seat tube collar. On Jan 25, 12:56 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So, still too darn cold outside for me but dreaming of spring. As my Hillborne is my first 'nice' bike in forever i've been thinking about bike lock options strategies. I'm asking the collective because part of me things, hey this is a nice looking bike better protect it. and another part of me is saying hey, this ain't no go-fast flashy bike, it's not a target. so i'm trying to resolve how much i should really worry about locking it up, strategies etc. In the past i've always just used a simple cable lock, but that's been on my cruiser (which while it looks really nice, i didn't consider it a theft risk). As my Hillborne has a few expensive things on it (phil rear wheel, nitto racks, etc) i'm a little more inclined to be more careful, so what are people's approaches? U-lock the rear wheel+bike to post and then cable to the front wheel? dual u-locks? Please keep in mind that i need to carry all the locks as well so something like a kryptonite nyc chain lock is out of the question. If it helps this is for around town riding and that would mostly be in and around Washington DC but mostly the suburbs of DC.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
That being said, there are a lot more factors, incentives, and advantages about commuting by bicycle in a place like Holland and it's easy to see why we can't have that here. With Chinese and Indian fuel consumption pushing gas prices up, it will not be long before U.S. prices are within spitting distance of the Netherlands'. Overall U.S. population density is lower than the Netherlands. But more than half of the U.S. population are in its 10 largest metropolitan areas. Long and short, if we do not find solutions soon, the car dependant among us are going to be paying more than half their income on fuel. On Jan 21, 9:12 am, jlvota jlv...@ilstu.edu wrote: What you have to consider about Holland is that gasoline there is the equivalent of around $7.91/gallon (one of the highest in Europe) and they have a much different tax system that allows massive funding to public transit. They have a progressive income tax rate that peaks at 52% (down from 60% a few years ago), a corporate tax that peaks at 25.5% and a sales tax that peaks at 19%. That being said, there are a lot more factors, incentives, and advantages about commuting by bicycle in a place like Holland and it's easy to see why we can't have that here. On Jan 19, 7:26 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, that's a good read. Cars and bikes both are vehicles, in the same way that a Glock and a Squirtgun are both guns is a kind of potent analogy right now, however imprecise analogies may be. The point about bicycle culture/laws in Holland, and the reasonability of incentives for commuting in a safe, non-polluting manner is something that's resonated with me for a long time. Sometimes I long to move to a place like that, but then I wonder why shouldn't I just try to be be more active in trying to help change happen here, which i'm woefully not and just riding a bike doesn't really do anything. It seems futile riding a bike for 'green' reasons, or because you think it's right thing to do-- even if you do it for those reasons-- and it's easy to end up suppressing frustration at the status quo, but reading stuff like this always brings it back to the surface, which is probably a good thing. um I doubt that makes any sense. which means it's probably too early for me to be typing right now. yesterday's ride home west of boston was a slush-ice nightmare. Thank god for studded tires but even they were out of their league. we were expecting some weather, but if i knew it would be that bad I would've stayed home. On Jan 18, 7:23 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: There's an interesting editorial on rivbike right now about how bikes aren't the same as cars. It reminds me of something I often remember when teaching students: the idea that doing what's right and fair for a kid is sometimes not the same thing for any two given kids. -Jim W.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Idaho Stop in NYC
Thanks Grant. I did not see the conflict between your editorial and BSNYC's post. The point is that laws and cycling behavior is best suited when it conforms to the locale. Insisting cyclists scrupulously come to a full stop at a rural intersection no matter the traffic volume is silly. On the other hand, cyclists riding willy-nilly in NYC, downtown Chicago, of SF for that matter are a menace not only to auto traffic but always present pedestrians and fellow cyclists. On Jan 20, 12:47 am, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't make sense in NYC which is why it's the Idaho Stop. When traffic is thick, the drivers are mean, and you're expected to stop, you better stop. The key to the success of the Idaho Stop is that Idaho Drivers are kept on their toes, and there's just less traffic there. I rode a big ol' group ride in Boise a couple of years ago, and was thrilled with the sparseness of traffic. The I.S. worked great. I bet it would work in other places too, but in NYC maybe they'd just hit you. Maybe the next place to try it should be Omaha and Iowa and Ohio---to complete the Four Same-sounders. Any of those would be better than NYC (or SF, for that matter). G -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Idaho Stop in NYC
I think the Idaho stop makes sense EVERYWHERE that it makes sense. Who decides where it makes sense? Unfortunately there are many urban riders who appear to think an Idaho stop makes sense if traffic with the right of way theoretically can brake fast enough to avoid T-boning or rear ending them. In busy cities like New York (there are many places in Manhattan with traffic even at 3:00 a.m. - not called the city that never sleeps for nothing) affording people the liberty to decide generally descends into chaos. Even if only 1 in 10 rider is a jerk, the numbers are dense enough that you have a lot of jerks. On Jan 20, 12:25 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Idaho stop makes sense EVERYWHERE that it makes sense. In Manhattan, at 3AM, when there's not another car on the road, Idaho stop YES! In Couer d'Alene Idaho, when you approach a stop sign with a long line of cars waiting in the crossing direction, Idaho stop NO! I think the comment that missed the mark was BSNYC's. I think he too would advocate, and practices, the Idaho stop when the situation calls for it. But his comment was more of a hardline. There are many traffic signals that aren't triggered by bikes. The left turn lane from Industrial Parkway to Dixon that takes me to the South Hayward BART station won't trigger with a bike. When I'm out in that left turn lane, I can wait 3, 4, 5 green light cycles, and the left turn arrow will never trigger unless a car gets in the left turn lane with me. I'd be stuck there for hours, or be forced to dismount, scamper across and hit the WALK button. Instead I do a version of the Idaho stop, and treat a green light as an unprotected left and get on with my life. According to BSNYC's comment yesterday, I break the law when I do that and should stop. I think Grant and I are in the same boat on this. Use your brain, do what is safe and makes sense for the situation. On Jan 19, 10:47 pm, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't make sense in NYC which is why it's the Idaho Stop. When traffic is thick, the drivers are mean, and you're expected to stop, you better stop. The key to the success of the Idaho Stop is that Idaho Drivers are kept on their toes, and there's just less traffic there. I rode a big ol' group ride in Boise a couple of years ago, and was thrilled with the sparseness of traffic. The I.S. worked great. I bet it would work in other places too, but in NYC maybe they'd just hit you. Maybe the next place to try it should be Omaha and Iowa and Ohio---to complete the Four Same-sounders. Any of those would be better than NYC (or SF, for that matter). G- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: European Hillborne Tour
Check out crazyguyonabike.com A lot of journals and a very active q a forum. On Jan 20, 10:57 am, Adam oceanm...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings All, I am planning a European tour for about a month this summer on my Hillborne. I have quite a few questions and wonder if anyone here knows of a more on-topic list serve to direct my questions towards. Cheers, Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Idaho Stop in NYC
Regarding the many urban riders, the other part of Grant's editorial that hasn't come up was the notion that bad apple riders ignoring the traffic laws somehow ruins it for the rest of us. Grant called that notion into question, and I think he has a good point. It caused me to rethink the ire I feel for delinquent riders who blow through stop signs in traffic. I definitely don't approve of it, but now I'm not so sure that it somehow reflects poorly on me. Well, I certainly do not think miscreant riders (or people who wear spandex while riding ; ) ) reflect on me personally either. It does not make me think less of the person who pulls out of a side road or in front of me against a light forcing me to take evasive action. Especially on streets where my options are avoiding the bike or avoiding a car. On Jan 20, 1:16 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: For the record, I'm not an anarchist. I'll repeat what I said: In Manhattan, at 3AM, when there's not another car on the road, Idaho stop YES! If there are cars on the road, then you are in traffic, follow the traffic laws. That's what makes sense. ANY situation where there are ZERO other vehicles of any kind, I advocate cyclists treating stop signs and red lights as yield signs. ANY situation where there are ANY other vehicles of any kind, I advocate cyclists treating stop signs as stop signs and red lights as red lights. I expect in Manhattan, this will very rarely come up, but it's not never. When there is not another car on the road, and I'm stopped at the red light, and it does not change to green because my bike doesn't have the mass to trigger the magnetic sensor, you are telling me that going ahead and riding on will cause society to generally descend into chaos? Of course it won't. That's as far as I take it. Regarding the many urban riders, the other part of Grant's editorial that hasn't come up was the notion that bad apple riders ignoring the traffic laws somehow ruins it for the rest of us. Grant called that notion into question, and I think he has a good point. It caused me to rethink the ire I feel for delinquent riders who blow through stop signs in traffic. I definitely don't approve of it, but now I'm not so sure that it somehow reflects poorly on me. On Jan 20, 10:55 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I think the Idaho stop makes sense EVERYWHERE that it makes sense. Who decides where it makes sense? Unfortunately there are many urban riders who appear to think an Idaho stop makes sense if traffic with the right of way theoretically can brake fast enough to avoid T-boning or rear ending them. In busy cities like New York (there are many places in Manhattan with traffic even at 3:00 a.m. - not called the city that never sleeps for nothing) affording people the liberty to decide generally descends into chaos. Even if only 1 in 10 rider is a jerk, the numbers are dense enough that you have a lot of jerks. On Jan 20, 12:25 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Idaho stop makes sense EVERYWHERE that it makes sense. In Manhattan, at 3AM, when there's not another car on the road, Idaho stop YES! In Couer d'Alene Idaho, when you approach a stop sign with a long line of cars waiting in the crossing direction, Idaho stop NO! I think the comment that missed the mark was BSNYC's. I think he too would advocate, and practices, the Idaho stop when the situation calls for it. But his comment was more of a hardline. There are many traffic signals that aren't triggered by bikes. The left turn lane from Industrial Parkway to Dixon that takes me to the South Hayward BART station won't trigger with a bike. When I'm out in that left turn lane, I can wait 3, 4, 5 green light cycles, and the left turn arrow will never trigger unless a car gets in the left turn lane with me. I'd be stuck there for hours, or be forced to dismount, scamper across and hit the WALK button. Instead I do a version of the Idaho stop, and treat a green light as an unprotected left and get on with my life. According to BSNYC's comment yesterday, I break the law when I do that and should stop. I think Grant and I are in the same boat on this. Use your brain, do what is safe and makes sense for the situation. On Jan 19, 10:47 pm, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't make sense in NYC which is why it's the Idaho Stop. When traffic is thick, the drivers are mean, and you're expected to stop, you better stop. The key to the success of the Idaho Stop is that Idaho Drivers are kept on their toes, and there's just less traffic there. I rode a big ol' group ride in Boise a couple of years ago, and was thrilled with the sparseness of traffic. The I.S. worked great. I bet it would work in other places too, but in NYC maybe they'd just hit you. Maybe the next place to try it should
[RBW] Re: New Berthoud twenty six inch X 40 mm fenders installed on '03 Riv custom commuter
Clearly a minority opinion, but I prefer Berthoud over Honjos. That is a good looking, no-nonsense bike. On Jan 18, 5:50 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: http://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#55636760480658... They don't look bad, but I would have preferred a new pair of 559 Honjos which seem very elusive after Jitensha stopped carrying them. The Berthouds are 1/4 lb heavier, complete with flap, than the Honjos, ditto, and they are slightly narrower, which helps even up the aesthetic balance. The tires are 22 (actual) mm 559 Turbos which I run because I can't find anything else nearly as supple -- yes, I've tried Paselas and don't like them. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
Liked the editorial, but disagree with one of GP's points. I gave up cars completely and flying for all but work and emergencies 6 years ago because they are such wasteful modes of transit. To me it is a green choice. I realize my actions mean very little with most here in Chicago wtill in cars and O'Hare handling so much unnecessary flying. I believe my choices are the correct ones. So I follow my conscious, whether it fixes the planet or not. On Jan 19, 7:26 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, that's a good read. Cars and bikes both are vehicles, in the same way that a Glock and a Squirtgun are both guns is a kind of potent analogy right now, however imprecise analogies may be. The point about bicycle culture/laws in Holland, and the reasonability of incentives for commuting in a safe, non-polluting manner is something that's resonated with me for a long time. Sometimes I long to move to a place like that, but then I wonder why shouldn't I just try to be be more active in trying to help change happen here, which i'm woefully not and just riding a bike doesn't really do anything. It seems futile riding a bike for 'green' reasons, or because you think it's right thing to do-- even if you do it for those reasons-- and it's easy to end up suppressing frustration at the status quo, but reading stuff like this always brings it back to the surface, which is probably a good thing. um I doubt that makes any sense. which means it's probably too early for me to be typing right now. yesterday's ride home west of boston was a slush-ice nightmare. Thank god for studded tires but even they were out of their league. we were expecting some weather, but if i knew it would be that bad I would've stayed home. On Jan 18, 7:23 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: There's an interesting editorial on rivbike right now about how bikes aren't the same as cars. It reminds me of something I often remember when teaching students: the idea that doing what's right and fair for a kid is sometimes not the same thing for any two given kids. -Jim W.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
Dept of Consumer Protection (or whomever) had mandated this so that bio-fuels didn't get a competitive advantage(!). . Any support for this, other than a comment by someone with a financial stake in keeping the prices higher? Lastly, so there is no confusion, I respect the gentleman's right to follow his conscience. He is free and right to do so, as long as what he does, does not pee in the water upstream from where others drink. How can that even be a worry based on my comments? There is no way my decision to give up a car in Chicago (and btw, I have a 15 minute bike ride to the CTA train here on the Northwest Side of the city) has a negative impact on any car drivers. On the other hand, whether one accepts climate change or not, there can be no argument fossil fuel use has a far reaching negative impact. Is your point peeing upstream only matters when the pee-er is in the decided minority? On Jan 19, 8:14 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Living where I live in New England, cycling year round is impractical, plus for my business, I have to be places, sometimes from Boston, to Hartford, to Brattlebor all in the same day. To that end, I needed to able to carry things, people, plow my driveway when needed etc., So I dive a 4 dr Dodge diesel pick-up. Earlier in it's life I was able to buy B100 (pure veg diesel fuel), and in colder whether, down to around 30 deg, I'd run B-20 (20% of same). Below that only traeted fuel will work w/o the dreaded gelling that occurs. A funny thing started coming to my attention. Every time the price of dino diesel went up, Bio-fuels went up so they were always slightly higher. When I asked why, my Bio-fuel dealer told me that the state Dept of Consumer Protection (or whomever) had mandated this so that bio-fuels didn't get a competitive advantage(!). I gave up at that point. I commute (35 miles one-way) when I can, drive when I need to and do what's necessary to make a living. I've spent time in Evanston IL, just off the Red Line (I think) and never drove anywhere, even caught the train out to O'hare. Pretty nice but that will never, ever happen in this day of NIMBY. People won't allow it. But if not for that system, those residents would be driving also, without a doubt. As stated in another thread, I'm hoping I see the day when there is no more fuel oil, coal etc., available-use it all up as fast as you can, be glutenous in your consumption. We'll then get nukes, and everything will be electric. Without those reliable sources of power, which solar/wind will never provide, we re screwed anyway. That goes for the rest of the world. Nobody in a developing country thinks about 50 years down the road, that's a luxury we have in the U.S., Europe, etc. BTW, the reason the Euro's can put money into bike lanes, alt trans projects, etc., is because they don't have much of a defense budget-we do that for them!!! Think about it, U.S. bases all over Europe, and trust me, the governments want us there to do that heavy lifting. Lastly, so there is no confusion, I respect the gentleman's right to follow his conscience. He is free and right to do so, as long as what he does, does not pee in the water upstream from where others drink. Sorry, a bit long. RGZ On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:51 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Liked the editorial, but disagree with one of GP's points. I gave up cars completely and flying for all but work and emergencies 6 years ago because they are such wasteful modes of transit. To me it is a green choice. I realize my actions mean very little with most here in Chicago wtill in cars and O'Hare handling so much unnecessary flying. I believe my choices are the correct ones. So I follow my conscious, whether it fixes the planet or not. On Jan 19, 7:26 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, that's a good read. Cars and bikes both are vehicles, in the same way that a Glock and a Squirtgun are both guns is a kind of potent analogy right now, however imprecise analogies may be. The point about bicycle culture/laws in Holland, and the reasonability of incentives for commuting in a safe, non-polluting manner is something that's resonated with me for a long time. Sometimes I long to move to a place like that, but then I wonder why shouldn't I just try to be be more active in trying to help change happen here, which i'm woefully not and just riding a bike doesn't really do anything. It seems futile riding a bike for 'green' reasons, or because you think it's right thing to do-- even if you do it for those reasons-- and it's easy to end up suppressing frustration at the status quo, but reading stuff like this always brings it back to the surface, which is probably a good thing. um I doubt that makes any sense. which means it's probably too early for me to be typing right now
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
BTW, the reason the Euro's can put money into bike lanes, alt trans projects, etc., is they don't have much of a defense budget-we do that for them!!! Think about it, U.S. bases all over Europe, and trust me, the governments want us there to do that heavy lifting. What are highways free? Perhaps it could be European civil engineers made a conscious decision to focus on mass transit transit over automobiles. The Red Line costs much less to make and maintain, and uses less backyard space (you know, for the NIMBY's) than Lake Shore Drive. Indeed if there was no Red Line, the traffic jams going through Rogers Park would be third world miserable. Suggest also you google some of the many pieces out there by civil engineers who posit the U.S. could in fact create a great mass transit system on the bones of the Interstates. On Jan 19, 8:14 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Living where I live in New England, cycling year round is impractical, plus for my business, I have to be places, sometimes from Boston, to Hartford, to Brattlebor all in the same day. To that end, I needed to able to carry things, people, plow my driveway when needed etc., So I dive a 4 dr Dodge diesel pick-up. Earlier in it's life I was able to buy B100 (pure veg diesel fuel), and in colder whether, down to around 30 deg, I'd run B-20 (20% of same). Below that only traeted fuel will work w/o the dreaded gelling that occurs. A funny thing started coming to my attention. Every time the price of dino diesel went up, Bio-fuels went up so they were always slightly higher. When I asked why, my Bio-fuel dealer told me that the state Dept of Consumer Protection (or whomever) had mandated this so that bio-fuels didn't get a competitive advantage(!). I gave up at that point. I commute (35 miles one-way) when I can, drive when I need to and do what's necessary to make a living. I've spent time in Evanston IL, just off the Red Line (I think) and never drove anywhere, even caught the train out to O'hare. Pretty nice but that will never, ever happen in this day of NIMBY. People won't allow it. But if not for that system, those residents would be driving also, without a doubt. As stated in another thread, I'm hoping I see the day when there is no more fuel oil, coal etc., available-use it all up as fast as you can, be glutenous in your consumption. We'll then get nukes, and everything will be electric. Without those reliable sources of power, which solar/wind will never provide, we re screwed anyway. That goes for the rest of the world. Nobody in a developing country thinks about 50 years down the road, that's a luxury we have in the U.S., Europe, etc. BTW, the reason the Euro's can put money into bike lanes, alt trans projects, etc., is because they don't have much of a defense budget-we do that for them!!! Think about it, U.S. bases all over Europe, and trust me, the governments want us there to do that heavy lifting. Lastly, so there is no confusion, I respect the gentleman's right to follow his conscience. He is free and right to do so, as long as what he does, does not pee in the water upstream from where others drink. Sorry, a bit long. RGZ On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:51 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Liked the editorial, but disagree with one of GP's points. I gave up cars completely and flying for all but work and emergencies 6 years ago because they are such wasteful modes of transit. To me it is a green choice. I realize my actions mean very little with most here in Chicago wtill in cars and O'Hare handling so much unnecessary flying. I believe my choices are the correct ones. So I follow my conscious, whether it fixes the planet or not. On Jan 19, 7:26 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, that's a good read. Cars and bikes both are vehicles, in the same way that a Glock and a Squirtgun are both guns is a kind of potent analogy right now, however imprecise analogies may be. The point about bicycle culture/laws in Holland, and the reasonability of incentives for commuting in a safe, non-polluting manner is something that's resonated with me for a long time. Sometimes I long to move to a place like that, but then I wonder why shouldn't I just try to be be more active in trying to help change happen here, which i'm woefully not and just riding a bike doesn't really do anything. It seems futile riding a bike for 'green' reasons, or because you think it's right thing to do-- even if you do it for those reasons-- and it's easy to end up suppressing frustration at the status quo, but reading stuff like this always brings it back to the surface, which is probably a good thing. um I doubt that makes any sense. which means it's probably too early for me to be typing right now. yesterday's ride home west of boston was a slush-ice nightmare. Thank god
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
You get the health benefits of cycling: less fat, better cardiovascular health, stronger muscles, better bones, a better brain. As someone who works with the elderly, those benefits are not to be sneezed at. You are also saving your fellow tax payers money. Bikes have minimal infrastructure needs. On Jan 19, 8:47 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Jan 19, 2011, at 7:26 AM, newenglandbike wrote: The point about bicycle culture/laws in Holland, and the reasonability of incentives for commuting in a safe, non-polluting manner is something that's resonated with me for a long time. Sometimes I long to move to a place like that, but then I wonder why shouldn't I just try to be be more active in trying to help change happen here, which i'm woefully not and just riding a bike doesn't really do anything. Sure riding a bike makes a difference. If you're riding a bike in place of driving a car, you're keeping about 1.1 pounds of carbon dioxide out of per mile out of the atmosphere (if you have a ten mile round trip, that's about 2200 pounds of CO2 per year). And that's only one greenhouse gas! You're an example to others, especially if you're not dressed like Alberto Contador *and* you look like you're having fun. Someone may see you and say hey, that looks like fun. I could do that. We've got examples of that on this very list, and it changed their lives for the better. (ow, here in Minnesota when non-cyclists see cyclers going down the street with 3 foot snowbanks and it's -10F, they just shake their heads and turn the heaters up in the car. You can't have everything, I suppose). You get the health benefits of cycling: less fat, better cardiovascular health, stronger muscles, better bones, a better brain. As someone who works with the elderly, those benefits are not to be sneezed at. In short a bike is a miracle machine. It can save your life, improve your quality of life, improve your health, improve America's energy security, reduce the costs of road construction and maintenance, reduce pollution, reduce long range health care costs... it's patriotic to ride a bike. When you're out there, you are a shining example to others whether they are looking or not. Have a great ride! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
and then there is organized bike rides that have 100's of people driving many miles to ride a bike a short distance then drive back home. In St Louis, Mo Trailnet has one of these type rides weekly. I would wager a single weekend ride here wipes out all the progress the comuters make in one day. Not an issue for me as I neither have a car nor have any desire to participate in group events. All my rides are door to door (that is, I start and stop the ride at my door) Cycling has many uses and is wonderful .. but riding just for green reasons is or would be weak for me. I ride because I like riding. I got rid of my car for green reasons. I certainly enjoy riding my bike. On Jan 19, 9:10 am, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: and then there is organized bike rides that have 100's of people driving many miles to ride a bike a short distance then drive back home. In St Louis, Mo Trailnet has one of these type rides weekly. I would wager a single weekend ride here wipes out all the progress the comuters make in one day. Not saying don't comute, just saying I don't see cycling as green. It's entertainment for most folks or exercise but also an excuse / reason to drive thier cars many more miles. Cycling has many uses and is wonderful .. but riding just for green reasons is or would be weak for me. I ride because I like riding. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: tweed knit sweaters are coming back!
Also am hoping they actually do arrive. Will order at least one, mebbe two. With a huge caveat - depends on the actual sizing of the item. Hopefully XL will be made. And hopefully it isn't starving Italian XL. I think the reason Riv dropped them is the original manufacturers (as I understand a couple working literally out of a cottage in rural Englad) retired. Presumably Riv found a new manufacturer so prior sizing will be no guide. For what it is worth my Woolywarm Cardigan is larger than I expected. Not a problem as I can wear it over a a shirt and light sweater on winter nights with my thermostat at 55. On Jan 19, 9:26 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Also am hoping they actually do arrive. Will order at least one, mebbe two. With a huge caveat - depends on the actual sizing of the item. Hopefully XL will be made. And hopefully it isn't starving Italian XL. Used to wear wool/tweed sweaters back in college. Would like to do so again, if for no other reason to honor the memory of a friend. Hopefully, the sizing won't be too bad. While I love the cowboy shirts, they are only good for me as an over-shirt with rolled up sleeves. Both the arms and side cuts are too short. (But then again, if I were to get back to losing weight, it might not be as much an issue.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 18, 11:10 pm, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: My in-laws gifted me with a WW vest when they were still available. I wear the crap out of it. The neck is great when I don't feel like taking along a scarf, and folds down out of the way when I'm not so cold. It has holes in it and the corner of the rear pocket sags a little lopsidedly. I will probably wear it until it shreds. I got a cardigan shortly after it came out. Two days after it arrived, my sister's cat (who has a thing for wool -- anyone ever heard of this in cats?) ATE a 2-inch chunk from the cuff. I repaired it badly using wool yarn and a small-diameter crochet hook (I don't know how to knit and probably couldn't have gotten it that fine anyhow). It looks funky but the sweater is my daily too-cold-in-the-morning garment while I sip coffee and read the news. After work, I slip it on again in the evening. Sort of like Mister Rogers. I've got two and I'm all set; but if you have not owned WW tweedies before and can afford one now, buy one when they come back. You'll like it. Meanwhile, I am waiting for the return of the Wooly Warm jersey (with the button placket!) and heavier-weight trainer. A girl can dream. Beth- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
And I didn't really read anything in the article that said those were mutually exclusive. The main point seemed to be that the people who would adopt cycling because of green-ness alone are more of an outlier. Getting people to act on goals which potentially play out over generations is not easy. It's not the wiring we've demonstrated, historically. Well, I guess I need to clarify. For whatever reason, I pretty much stopped riding bikes after grad school and my first 10 years of my career. About 10 years ago I started cutting down on energy use around the home and in my travels. As part of that effort, I decided to take up cycle camping. On my first trip I recalled how much I liked to ride. The two trains of thought morphed into my eventual decision to give up my automobile altogether. I am very much aware my decision process on this makes me an outlier. On Jan 19, 11:01 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 1/19/11 8:04 AM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Cycling has many uses and is wonderful .. but riding just for green reasons is or would be weak for me. I ride because I like riding. I got rid of my car for green reasons. I certainly enjoy riding my bike. And I didn't really read anything in the article that said those were mutually exclusive. The main point seemed to be that the people who would adopt cycling because of green-ness alone are more of an outlier. Getting people to act on goals which potentially play out over generations is not easy. It's not the wiring we've demonstrated, historically. Monday was the 50th anniversary of Eisenhower's Military-Industrial Complex farewell address speech, the bulk of which is way OT, but there's always been a part of that I've kept written down: Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for our own ease and convenience the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow. I quote that here to recognize that we still have that challenge before us. An adversarial relationship to those who are not in agreement with us, or acting the way we feel they should, does little to move things toward the greater good. It's always about the ride. About exuding the spirit of why we ride. That is what we share implicitly and overtly when we show up at work or the store astride a bicycle. You never know who it will affect or how. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes You must be the change you want to see in the world. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
My second comment is actually a vote of support for you not a criticism. My apologies for misunderstanding. On Jan 19, 10:56 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Chill my brother The oil lobby has obviously earned it's money. It sucks but it's a reality of life everywhere on this planet. My second comment is actually a vote of support for you not a criticism. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:38 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Dept of Consumer Protection (or whomever) had mandated this so that bio-fuels didn't get a competitive advantage(!). . Any support for this, other than a comment by someone with a financial stake in keeping the prices higher? Lastly, so there is no confusion, I respect the gentleman's right to follow his conscience. He is free and right to do so, as long as what he does, does not pee in the water upstream from where others drink. How can that even be a worry based on my comments? There is no way my decision to give up a car in Chicago (and btw, I have a 15 minute bike ride to the CTA train here on the Northwest Side of the city) has a negative impact on any car drivers. On the other hand, whether one accepts climate change or not, there can be no argument fossil fuel use has a far reaching negative impact. Is your point peeing upstream only matters when the pee-er is in the decided minority? On Jan 19, 8:14 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Living where I live in New England, cycling year round is impractical, plus for my business, I have to be places, sometimes from Boston, to Hartford, to Brattlebor all in the same day. To that end, I needed to able to carry things, people, plow my driveway when needed etc., So I dive a 4 dr Dodge diesel pick-up. Earlier in it's life I was able to buy B100 (pure veg diesel fuel), and in colder whether, down to around 30 deg, I'd run B-20 (20% of same). Below that only traeted fuel will work w/o the dreaded gelling that occurs. A funny thing started coming to my attention. Every time the price of dino diesel went up, Bio-fuels went up so they were always slightly higher. When I asked why, my Bio-fuel dealer told me that the state Dept of Consumer Protection (or whomever) had mandated this so that bio-fuels didn't get a competitive advantage(!). I gave up at that point. I commute (35 miles one-way) when I can, drive when I need to and do what's necessary to make a living. I've spent time in Evanston IL, just off the Red Line (I think) and never drove anywhere, even caught the train out to O'hare. Pretty nice but that will never, ever happen in this day of NIMBY. People won't allow it. But if not for that system, those residents would be driving also, without a doubt. As stated in another thread, I'm hoping I see the day when there is no more fuel oil, coal etc., available-use it all up as fast as you can, be glutenous in your consumption. We'll then get nukes, and everything will be electric. Without those reliable sources of power, which solar/wind will never provide, we re screwed anyway. That goes for the rest of the world. Nobody in a developing country thinks about 50 years down the road, that's a luxury we have in the U.S., Europe, etc. BTW, the reason the Euro's can put money into bike lanes, alt trans projects, etc., is because they don't have much of a defense budget-we do that for them!!! Think about it, U.S. bases all over Europe, and trust me, the governments want us there to do that heavy lifting. Lastly, so there is no confusion, I respect the gentleman's right to follow his conscience. He is free and right to do so, as long as what he does, does not pee in the water upstream from where others drink. Sorry, a bit long. RGZ On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:51 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Liked the editorial, but disagree with one of GP's points. I gave up cars completely and flying for all but work and emergencies 6 years ago because they are such wasteful modes of transit. To me it is a green choice. I realize my actions mean very little with most here in Chicago wtill in cars and O'Hare handling so much unnecessary flying. I believe my choices are the correct ones. So I follow my conscious, whether it fixes the planet or not. On Jan 19, 7:26 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, that's a good read. Cars and bikes both are vehicles, in the same way that a Glock and a Squirtgun are both guns is a kind of potent analogy right now, however imprecise analogies may be. The point about bicycle culture/laws in Holland, and the reasonability of incentives for commuting in a safe, non-polluting manner is something that's resonated with me for a long time. Sometimes I long to move to a place like that, but then I wonder why shouldn't I just try to be be more active
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
Interesting that within 24 hours of one another Grant lauds the benefits of the Idaho-stop and Bike Snob NYC instructs cyclists to follow the letter of the law, especially stopping at all red lights. Did not read BSNYC but coming from one who does most of his riding in a densely populated urban area, I can understand the different take on traffic signals. It is one thing to obey traffic signals only when vehicles are present in predominately rural Idaho - or suburban and semi-rural East SF Bay for that matter. It is another altogether in dense urban areas where vehicles, pedistrians and other bikes are always present. Some of my closest calls of late have been with other cyclists who oblivious to traffic signals and basic right of way principals ride directly into my path or in front of me. Some have even given me the owned glower when I apply the brakes heavily to avoid them. By far the worst was last fall when a dad with a daughter on a bike trailer, boy on small bike close behind, and wife taking up the rear all blew through a stop sign on a small street directly in front of me on a larger street that had no stop sign. I had to jump onto the curb to avoid hitting the boy. Mom gave me an apologetic look. Dad never even turned around to see what happened. On Jan 19, 12:33 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting that within 24 hours of one another Grant lauds the benefits of the Idaho-stop and Bike Snob NYC instructs cyclists to follow the letter of the law, especially stopping at all red lights. On Jan 19, 10:10 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 1/19/11 9:25 AM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I am very much aware my decision process on this makes me an outlier. And I wholeheartedly applaud your efforts and actions, Joel. Full stop. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Berthoud Tourin Saddle - Initial impression
Welcome to the club. I am fairly confident you will appreciate the saddle long term. Perfect color for your Atlantis too. On Jan 19, 7:18 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Yesterday my new Berthoud Touring saddle arrived from Wallingford Bikes. Natural color, Cro-Moly rails. I installed it last night and rode it today to work (and Caltrain) to see whether it would feel as expected from the other list members' feedback or not. I have to say that the initial impression is awesome. Feels just like a saddle should, and compared the the B17 I had previously is just no comparison at all. The width is perfect, the flat top is exactly what I was looking for to do away with the B17's significantly nose-up position to prevent sliding forward, and more significantly, the feeling that there isn't any excess material rubbing my inner thighs or anywhere else for that matter; just my seatbones perfectly suspended. The color is really beautiful; somewhere between the Brooks honey and antique brown, but you can see from the photos that it matches very well with either (honey Brooks tape on the Atlantis handlebar) as well as with the Sackville leather bits. I did some minor tweaks, basically sliding it forward to the mid-rail position as I had initially mounted it as far back as it would go but found that my knees were too far back for optimal pedaling. I angled it upwards as well to prevent from sliding forward but by no means is the angle or the nose anywhere near what I had to do with the B17. I'll get a better feel for the new position on the ride home tonight and whether it puts more pressure on my hands or not. I expect to get more acquainted with the saddle by the weekend and if so, expect to see a number of various Brooks saddles (mostly B17) to be put up for sale. I'll need to be able to finance another Berthoud saddle for the Homer... :-) Initial photos can be viewed here: *http://tinyurl.com/4fuczwh* René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New pictures of my Bombadil
Swapped out the Bullmoose bars for these Sycip Singles Bar, found my old Specialized branded Dirtdrop stem. This bar is so much more versatile and comfortable than the Bullmoose bars I could never get my hands comy on them, I figure it had to do with the fixed rear-upward angle. How about flexibility of the Singles Bars? I speced a pair for a custom. They look great but there is enough give in them I am wondering if perhaps Albatross bars would be a better choice. On Jan 17, 4:04 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Guys, Here are some updated pics of my Bombadil after much tinkering, experimenting and of course plenty of saddle time. Everything functions wonderfully. Swapped out the Bullmoose bars for these Sycip Singles Bar, found my old Specialized branded Dirtdrop stem. This bar is so much more versatile and comfortable than the Bullmoose bars I could never get my hands comy on them, I figure it had to do with the fixed rear-upward angle. As you can see I have these bars rear-downward which feels much more natural. Decided I would run the thumbshifters under the bar so I would have more hand positions, they function near perfect except when I am trying to shift into the lowest gear in the rear its a little awkward but im used to it now and doable just a little stretch to do it. Of course now the rear shifter is now on the left and the front on the right, my brain doesnt have a preference, im totally fine with it. I then added the orange tape (yellow would have been better) and shellacked and twined the whole thing together its about 4/5 coats of shellac. Also twined the chainstay and shellacked that too. Added the Suntour Superbe pedals and they are much better to me than the MKS touring pedals I had. Swapped the Quasi-Moto tires for the Fatty Rumpkins since im not riding in the dirt and was planning on fenders which are the VO Zeppelin model that are used but not too abused. The fenders had several holes from the previous owner that I covered up with Foil tape, I also used a small strip on the seatpost to remind me of my usual saddle height. You can also see that I now have one of the Nitto R cages and a Electra Ticino cage, they look exactly the same. My favorite mod was running the Bell on the exposed threads of the Canti brake hanger. Its a little forward of where you traditionally would run it but I can reach my finger easily to the striker which is pointing up, the position keeps it out of the way which I like. I also had to swap out the headset which was pitted out from being run loose, the new headset is one of the really awesome Cane Creek 100 threaded units which are I think even nicer than a Chris King. I was also running the VO 1st gen brakes but got tired of them cause there was no toe-in adjustment and no spring adjustment. They stopped great but squeeled like crazy and one side of the brke arm on the front always ran too close to the rim. These Shimano brakes are pretty fiddly but I really appreciate the adjustments and was able to get them set-up perfectly. And last but not least I bought a pair of the Paul brake levers cause they are so sexy. The only thing I need now is a front rack, then the build will be complete. I still havent figured out which one I want. Kinda like the VO porteur rack, but im not settled on that yet. Oh yeah then I need bagsit never ends, ah the fun. Other upgrades I would like to do: Paul brakes, Swap out the hubs for White industries or I have some 8spd DuraAce hubs that I could respace to 135mm. Maybe I should just get some rims and build a second set of wheels...well see. I would finally like to get a set of the VO 50.4mm 172.5mm cranks in a 46/30 config. http://tinyurl.com/49vzwzg Any Thoughts? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Splats are back ...
And yes I put my order in for a pair before coming on and sharing with the group ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rivbike Editorial of Jan. 18
VO says 50-90% less drag Even if true, all relative. I have a bike with a Scmidt Dyno, one with a Maxicar front hub, and another with Campy Record. When the lights are off, there is no noticeable drag. Sure it may be cheaper then a Schmidt. But then as anyone who buys a Rivendell ought to know, sometimes paying a little more means getting a whole lot more. On Jan 18, 7:12 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: .and Grant referred to the game-changer dynamo hub. Presumably the same hub that Velo Orange has been talking up. If Riv and VO are talking about the same part, then it's a dynamo hub that allows you to totally disengage the dynamo mechanism when you aren't using the light, so a lot less drag. VO says 50-90% less drag. I'm not sure what that means to actually feeling it when riding with the lights off, but it's also less than half the price of a Schmidt. Interesting. On Jan 18, 4:23 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: There's an interesting editorial on rivbike right now about how bikes aren't the same as cars. It reminds me of something I often remember when teaching students: the idea that doing what's right and fair for a kid is sometimes not the same thing for any two given kids. -Jim W. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: tweed knit sweaters are coming back!
I am wearing my woolywarm cardigan right now. Very warm and comfortable. Going on 4 years old and holding up well. On Jan 18, 9:00 pm, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: I want a cardigan. Teachers should all have cardigans! with leather elbow pads! On Jan 18, 6:31 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Yay! from the knothole: Many of you know about the old Tweed knit sweater-things, and will be happy to know that we'll have these in again. Some changes, bound to disappoint anybody who likes a thing more when it's no longer available, but from the standpoint of view from where I sit, the changes will be improvements. Probably a pullover, definitely the cardigan, and a vest-again, for now. I'm thrilled. I bought one from Chris's Garage sale and I love it. I want another one and I want a cardigan. Grant, if you're reading this: when can I preorder one? -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Splats Video
Sure hope Riv has a big re-order in place. I want my pair! On Jan 14, 9:20 am, cyclofiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Drizzly Thursday commute and a quick bit o' editing... http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/5353558271/ Enjoy Ride Safe! - Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
I have QR skewers in my Sam because I often put it in or on vehicles, and often have my wheels off when I'm messing with bike parts for fun. They are handy for that. As long as one keeps ones tools handy, it is not all that much faster to remove a tire with a quick release skewer than one with a Pitlock. I take my pitlock and bolted solid axle Maxicar wheels off frequently. Well under a minute to do so. On Jan 8, 6:43 pm, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: I use VO skewers on my commuter. Truth is, you are only relying on the skewer to thwart opportunistic thiefs. If you have a $1500 wheelset that a pro wants, he'll get it. Pitlock or not. It probably just as easy for them to take the whole bike. I have QR skewers in my Sam because I often put it in or on vehicles, and often have my wheels off when I'm messing with bike parts for fun. They are handy for that. On Jan 8, 3:52 pm, Travis travisbreitenb...@gmail.com wrote: I own both Pitlock and VO skewers. There is no comparison of course. I don't know why, but the VO skewers have sort of a knurled surface on the outside, so it looks like they could be opened with a good set of pliers. Also, keys for those hex-pin bolts can be had at most hardware stores. I'd say the VO skewer provides just a tad more security than an allen bolt skewer. I use mine on a wheel which I wouldn't really mind replacing because it's nearing the end of it's useful life anyway. The Pitlock design is really much further advanced than any other locking skewers out there. I see two ways to defeat it, but they require quite a bit of ingenuity. I live in NYC and use them on a decent wheelset. I have enough faith in them that I lock only my frame which is tremendously freeing. I carry one of the Pit keys on a large key ring with my keys and this gives me just enough torque to adjust them if needed. Also, I use them on a bike with horizontal drop-outs even though you're not supposed to. It's been holding up fine. Of course, this bike has a freewheel - I would not try this with a SS/ fixed set-up. Travis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
That pretty much scared me off of Pitlocks. Although if you live in more temperate climates (or are better at maintenance) they are a nice choice. (Also don't like only two keys. Prefer three. One to carry, one for the shop, one in house as spare.) Not sure anyone has ever referred to Chicago as temperate. I have never had winter issued removing Pitlocks in the cold. They are made and popular in Germany which has its share of winter cold. On Jan 8, 6:05 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: A cover might get me to use Pitlock again. Have two sets. Ran them on both my Hillborne and my LHT. On the latter, which is my winter bike, the Pitlock started to seize. Had a devil of a time removing the wheel one time. There was no obvious rust in the system. That pretty much scared me off of Pitlocks. Although if you live in more temperate climates (or are better at maintenance) they are a nice choice. (Also don't like only two keys. Prefer three. One to carry, one for the shop, one in house as spare.) Have also used the Zefal QR (that Riv used to sell). Those had a different problem. If I cranked the cam down tight, the pin wouldn't always dislodge. Scared me nigh on half to death one time trying to fix a flat. That was also in winter. Could easily have been a binding issue between two different materials. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 8, 4:07 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I use Pitlocks on my bike with hollow axle hubs. They are good looking, well made and fairly easy to remove, provided you remember to bring your coded pit socket. Not sure if PJW sells them, but Urban Bike Tech in Canada sells nice caps for the pit side so you can have a really clean look. On Jan 8, 12:32 pm, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have experience with Pitlock? Marty- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
Shimano skewers are nearly impossible to beat mechanically. Any internal cam wins over external.http://www.sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html When I last used skewers, I went with these by Hope: http://www.mtbr.com/cat/tires-and-wheels/skewer/hope/skewers/PRD_354342_146crx.aspx They seemed to work well. After that I built up a wheel with MaxiCar hubs which have a solid axle that use nut attachments. As I say above, it kind of opened my eyes to what little difference having a nutted axle over skewers meant from a maintenance and time perspective. To each their own. I have no problem with a preference for skewers. Outside of racing where I hear every fraction of second is critical, there is not much difference between wrenching a wheel on and off and pulling a skewer. I attach the MaxiCar 14 mm socket to a sliding bar socket holder: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00904428000P?prdNo=6blockNo=6blockType=G6 which is light and easy to carry with my ride tool set. The pitlock pit fits in a socket as well. On Jan 8, 5:42 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: Shimano skewers are nearly impossible to beat mechanically. Any internal cam wins over external.http://www.sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html On Jan 8, 11:32 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have experience with Pitlock? Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Skewers?
I use Pitlocks on my bike with hollow axle hubs. They are good looking, well made and fairly easy to remove, provided you remember to bring your coded pit socket. Not sure if PJW sells them, but Urban Bike Tech in Canada sells nice caps for the pit side so you can have a really clean look. On Jan 8, 12:32 pm, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: I need a pair of skewers for my next build - using Phil/Riv hubs. Looking for a nice clean design, and no plastic. Anyone have experience with Pitlock? Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud because it is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone? JimP Jim: Berthoud is definitely a company very much in the French tradition - small, family run, not necessarily concerned about being the biggest or fastest to market. at least in my opinion anyway, they make nice stuff. The Berthoud saddle does not look all that much like Ideale the classic French saddle I and some other posters mention. It is a unique design whether that means it is uniquely French, I could not say. On Jan 7, 12:24 pm, jim phillips thefamil...@hotmail.com wrote: My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud because it is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone? JimP Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:10:11 -0800 Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring From: leec...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Joel and Clayton: I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the Apsin? Thanks, Lee San Francisco, CA On Jan 7, 9:42 am, Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com wrote: I have been using b.17s for while, but got frustrated when I burnt through my last one in 7 months and went ahead and purchased a Berthoud touring saddle. I have only been using it for 2 months now but so far so good. It is a little narrower than a b.17 but not in a bad way. Still has enough room accommodate my sitbones. The shape seems perfect for me. The craftsmanship is stunning compared to Brooks. Compared to the now incredibly saggy brooks it does feel a lot firmer. I did ride a 200k permanent within a few weeks of owning it and toward the end I did have to ride out of the saddle occasionally to give my slightly protesting sitbones some relief. It was not agonizing and only started setting in during the last few miles but was noticeable and distracting nevertheless. (Still significantly better than having the metal frame of the b.17 dig into me though.). So far the Berthoud is perfect for up to a 100 miles and I expect it to get even more comfortable as the saddle and I get more used to eachother. I purchased mine from Rene Herse Bicycles who lets you try the saddle for 60 days and return it if you don't like it. I suggest you give it try. Best, Clayton Scott SF, CA On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city saddles). I think the aluminum frame Ideale used made for a more comfortable spring base than the heavier Brooks. Unfortunately, the leather is somewhat thin on them and they tend to need frequent tightening. Wonder if Berthoud will ever try and copy that model? On Jan 7, 10:29 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
I could never get comfortable on a B-17 or any of the Fizik saddles so tried the Berthoud more out of desperation than anything. Right out of the box I had an opportunity to do an ~500 mile trip. No discomfort at all. As for appearance, I prefer Berthoud to the Brooks. The Berthoud shape is less pronounced. In my opinion, Brooks has a very strong silhouette that pulls the eye away from the lines of the bicycles. No problem, obviously, if you like the Brooks shape. I am not as enamored as some other riders . Some of the comments to the linked review mention Ideale saddles. I collected Ideale over the years. I have since sold most but still have two in the display case. They are lovely pieces of history. Certainly an Ideale will match well with a correct restoration. Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. On Jan 6, 11:40 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone provide how the Berthoud Touring Saddles would compare to a B17 saddle? I own B17 saddles but have never ridden a Berthoud one. Thanks, René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city saddles). I think the aluminum frame Ideale used made for a more comfortable spring base than the heavier Brooks. Unfortunately, the leather is somewhat thin on them and they tend to need frequent tightening. Wonder if Berthoud will ever try and copy that model? On Jan 7, 10:29 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the Apsin? Lee: The rails may be more narrow. One Berthoud is mounted on a CLB post. I do not remember much of an issue mounting on that one. The other CLB is on a Thomson Masterpiece (I know - have heard it before - seat post and saddle cost more than many an entire bike!). The TM is very precisely engineered. It took some finagaling to get the Berthoud atop it. To Beth's point - definitely more flat than the B-17. If you like the B-17 this may be Berthoud deal killer. For me, it appears to be a plus. As everyone's body and ride style are unique it is good to have options. On Jan 7, 12:10 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Joel and Clayton: I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the Apsin? Thanks, Lee San Francisco, CA On Jan 7, 9:42 am, Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com wrote: I have been using b.17s for while, but got frustrated when I burnt through my last one in 7 months and went ahead and purchased a Berthoud touring saddle. I have only been using it for 2 months now but so far so good. It is a little narrower than a b.17 but not in a bad way. Still has enough room accommodate my sitbones. The shape seems perfect for me. The craftsmanship is stunning compared to Brooks. Compared to the now incredibly saggy brooks it does feel a lot firmer. I did ride a 200k permanent within a few weeks of owning it and toward the end I did have to ride out of the saddle occasionally to give my slightly protesting sitbones some relief. It was not agonizing and only started setting in during the last few miles but was noticeable and distracting nevertheless. (Still significantly better than having the metal frame of the b.17 dig into me though.). So far the Berthoud is perfect for up to a 100 miles and I expect it to get even more comfortable as the saddle and I get more used to eachother. I purchased mine from Rene Herse Bicycles who lets you try the saddle for 60 days and return it if you don't like it. I suggest you give it try. Best, Clayton Scott SF, CA On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city saddles). I think the aluminum frame Ideale used made for a more comfortable spring base than the heavier Brooks. Unfortunately, the leather is somewhat thin on them and they tend to need frequent tightening. Wonder if Berthoud will ever try and copy that model? On Jan 7, 10:29 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Moment of Arggghhh!
True enough. Although my superstitious part keep telling me that buying back up jinxed the installation. Frankly, the knock-offs feel as though they will grip better. On Dec 20, 9:53 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote: at least you had a stashed replacement. gotta love backup. On Dec 20, 7:36 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Last summer I lucked into a very nice set of NOS traditional Campy brake levers with apparently very supple gum rubber hoods. Installing the brake cable tonight, the right side hood slid off and back on over the top of the hood perfect. When I went to slide the right side back, disaster. Split wide open. No amount of rubber cement is going to put it back together. I have a set of the gummed rubber knock-offs. Guess they will look alright - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Moment of Arggghhh!
Last summer I lucked into a very nice set of NOS traditional Campy brake levers with apparently very supple gum rubber hoods. Installing the brake cable tonight, the right side hood slid off and back on over the top of the hood perfect. When I went to slide the right side back, disaster. Split wide open. No amount of rubber cement is going to put it back together. I have a set of the gummed rubber knock-offs. Guess they will look alright -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A blinding glimpse of the obvious......
Thanks for the link. While the author does not describe the hubs on either bike, he does point out the plastic bike had lighter and obviously more expensive wheels than the steel (obviously as the entire steel bike cost him 50 pounds). Appears there are modest hills on his commute. Not sure about this area of the UK, but where I rode I noticed pretty quickly that while British hills may not be the highest in the world, they sure can be steep. On Dec 14, 11:02 am, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Here's the original article in the BMJ: http://tinyurl.com/23d7pmjorhttp://www.bmj.com/content/341/bmj.c6801.full?sid=da3c0aec-7122-47d1-... On Dec 14, 8:14 am, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: In this case it's more of a riding style than the bike. As much as we would like to ignore or minimize the speed difference weight and equipment makes, it does exist. Even if in most cases it's areodynamics. 1 2 or 3 mph average speed is nothing right? It could still add up to 15 percent if you averaged 20mph. Now if that 20 mph is your max and you're on the edge all the time then every mph is critical and expensive and tough to obtain. If you're riding with friends, comuting etc and just rolling along you will gravitate to a speed by feel and especially on flat ground the two bikes won't make much difference. but the heavier bike would sustain speed a bit better with momentum. So if the effort or heartrate etc isn't part of the equation do to plenty being in researve and it's a leisure ride / comute.. those are the results I would expect. On Dec 14, 9:15 am, MKahrl mkah...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think some unintentional bias was causing him to ride harder on the steel bike in order to keep the same time? If so, it was remarkably consistent over the course of 56 rides and nearly 1500 miles.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
