Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Droptube Rivendell Custom 54cm

[Keith Weaver]

I'll add some bicycle content by saying I think it's great if one is able
to change up what bikes you have, based on your current riding desires and
ability. I hope someone steps up and buys Joe's beautiful bike!

A bit more off-topic motorcycle content: I recently sold my V-Strom 650 as
I didn't find myself riding it anymore. The biggest excitement of the sale
was the additional space in my garage! I find I want to spend my free time
on my bicycle(s) more than on a moto. Also, all my moto friends sold
theirs, so it became a more solitary pursuit. I have been thinking about a
Yamaha XT 250, but that may remain a distant "want" for a while longer.

Cheers,
Keith

On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 7:45 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> Main ways it differs (geometry aside because that is above my pay grade),
> this one has canti studs for V, mini-v, or canti brakes. This one is 135
> spaced in the rear I cant remember if the production gallop is 130 or 135.
> The Gallop top tube hits the seat stay a touch higher and uses a lug there
> vs the filet braze. This custom one appears to have downtube shifter bosses
> (nice). Probably slighty lighter tubes but who knows. Thats about all I
> could tell from the photos.
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:57:47 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Joe - Thanks for the additional pictures and info.  It is a lovely and
>> interesting bike that sounds like a fun ride. I wonder how it compares to
>> the upcoming Gallop. I am curious but it is out of my price range at
>> present.
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:43:36 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, I found pics with the 7-spd stuff!
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20240509_064218.jpg]
>>> [image: Screenshot_20240509_064229.jpg]
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:40:44 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 [image: Screenshot_20240509_063907.jpg][image:
 Screenshot_20240509_063951.jpg]

 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:16:25 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hi Valerie! I'm posting the geometry/tubing mockup Riv sent me which
> hopefully will answer some questions, I still need to get a current photo
> set put together this weekend.
>
> The tubing is on the lighter side, I would say somewhere between
> Roadeo and Roadini; I've never ridden a Sam so can't compare to that one.
>
> It's long and feels it. At my weight (175 now, closer to 200 for most
> of the time I've owned it) it has a slight suspension-like ride which is
> amazingly comfortable.
>
> Saddle height in pics is 69cm. I'll get more information and pics for
> you soon.
>
> [image: Screenshot_20221117_163140.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:05:35 AM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> Hi Joe! I am as surprised as everyone  and also impressed how you are
>> constantly assessing what works for you and where you want to be. I would
>> love to see more pics, including the current drivetrain, the handlebar 
>> stem
>> area, and the seatpost with height measurement without a bag on it. I 
>> love
>> the idea of a fatter tired road-oriented drop tube bike. Is the tubing 
>> like
>> Roadini or more like Sam (more stout)? Is the length like Roadini or is 
>> it
>> one of the longer models? From the pic, it looks possibly similar in 
>> shape
>> to the new Gallop but the tubing and length look more traditional (apart
>> from, the snazzy drop tube and high-viz handlebars). What does it feel 
>> like
>> to ride compared to your other Rivs? At my lower weight than yours, I
>> wonder if this would be a good gravel/climbing bike (slot currently 
>> filled
>> by a 53 Atlantis, old style).
>>
>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:02:44 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> If the Clem satisfies your needs I understand why you'd sell the
>>> custom. Life throws curve balls at times and forces us to make hard
>>> decisions. So, no second guessing here from me. Just be careful riding a
>>> motorcycle! I love two wheels but not at 60+ mph. :)
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 6:56:53 AM UTC-4 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>>>
 If you sell it, you'll kick yourself later, I'm sure. And we'll
 have to listen to it ;)

 When you ride it, it's a custom.
 To anyone else, it's a well-made used bicycle.

 Save up for the motor bike, and watch for deals.
 Unlike a motorcycle, your bicycle doesn't cost anything just
 sitting there.

 cheers -mathias


 On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:40:28 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Bill,
>
> I'm not convinced the custom will sell at a price I can live with
> so there's every possibility it shall remain with me. Selling the Clem
> would be a possibility but there's not much money in it, I'm not sure 
> it
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Eroica California

[Keith Weaver]

Bill,

I also have a brown Gran Premio! I especially like the Suntour symmetric
shifters. Univega was the brand sold in my childhood bike store, so when I
saw mine in a used bike shop, I had to have it. They'll always have a soft
spot in my heart. If I were to ride mine in the CA Eroica, I think I'd need
some lower gearing, maybe the Velo Orange 46-30 crankset.

Cheers,
Keith

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:28 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I've got the bike for it, and I'm just waiting for the stars to align to
> do the ride.  My "Eroica Bike" is a time capsule 1983 Univega Gran Premio.
> I've got ~700 miles on it, and will not have any issue using it for an
> Eroica day.
>
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/49563967306/in/album-72157713199195553/
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 9:41:21 AM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Curious if anyone on this forum is also a Vintage enthusiast and has
>> interest in the Eroica event that is run on the Central Coast of
>> California. I've ridden it a few times on my PX-10... its a great ride,
>> although the organization that runs the event has had its ups and downs
>> over the years. Currently, the website lists September 22, 2024 as the run
>> date, but the registration button leads to last year's sign-updoes
>> anyone have any better intel?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset/BB question

[Keith Weaver]

I have a Riv Road Standard with VO cranks and a Campy Nuovo Record FD, it
works great for me and I like using the vintage part.

Cheers,
Keith

On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 1:23 AM Garth  wrote:

> Those VO cranks with the straight arms all suggest a 118mm BB for a road
> double 43.5mm chainline. FD's with relatively flat/straight cages are made
> for such tight tolerances that come with straight arm doubles.  Here's a
> Campy Nuovo Record for example.
> [image: Campagnolo-nuovo-record-front-derailleur.jpeg]
>
> On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 12:16:27 AM UTC-5 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>
>> It's hard to say for sure from the picture, but it looks like your fd is
>> at a bit of an angle, and rotating it to straight might allow a bit more
>> crankarm clearance.
>>
>> Josiah Anderson
>> Missoula MT
>>
>> Le ven. 1 mars 2024 à 7:33 PM, Adam  a écrit :
>>
>>> Thanks all for the help.
>>>
>>> I got the VO cranks a week or so ago, and today finally had time to
>>> install them. The process was smooth, easy so far. No issues with the
>>> current BB, which I forgot to measure, but assume is either 113 or 115,
>>> based on the previous cranks. I don't think the picture below captures it
>>> well, but the 46 ring lines up just inside the middle of the cassette.
>>>
>>> I don't think the FD is going to work--it currently rubs the chain in
>>> the lower two sprockets on the cassette, BUT if I move it out so that it
>>> doesn't rub it hits the crank arm. Not sure the solution there? Do I need a
>>> different derailer? I'm assuming so, recommendations? I really may just
>>> pull it and go "manual" for now, since the 30 is more wishful thinking than
>>> part of regular rides around here.
>>>
>>> Any other thoughts?
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20240301_205017950.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 10:47:54 AM UTC-6 krisbu...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Adam

 I have the VO 50.4 bcd cranks on my Saluki and a 118mm bb was actually
 too short. I had to use a 122.5 and even that was pretty tight.

 -Kris

 On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 10:01:33 PM UTC-6 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Adam,
>
> I meant to add that prices on digital micrometers seem to have gone
> down over time. I replaced my old "analog" PITA micrometer on Amazon for
> twenty-five bucks. I would not go for the cheapest though. I opted for one
> with an auto "OFF" setting so you won't burn the battery out when you set
> it down and forget it.
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 10:55:25 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
>> Adam,
>>
>> Just saying . If you like the paint job on your bike, be mindful
>> when applying muscle to the BB remover tool. You'll be using a heavy-ish
>> adjustable wrench. So, adjust it so it's snug. It's pretty easy to have
>> that tool come out and the wrench can chip the vulnerable BB shell paint
>> edge. Ask me how I know.
>>
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 1:07:21 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> A while back I posted about low q, low-range cranks for my Hillborne.
>>>
>>> I just ordered one of the VO 46/30s, which seems like a good option
>>> at the price. I'll use the stock rings first, then tweak them down the 
>>> road.
>>>
>>> A few questions - I'm going to try the install myself--I think--and
>>> this is my first attempt.
>>>
>>> I understand that the VO 46/30 is supposed to be paired with a 118mm
>>> BB. I have read on here of folks using shorter spindles. I currently 
>>> have
>>> either a 113 or 115mm on the Hillborne. I'm assuming the only way to 
>>> know
>>> is to remove the cranks and measure? Has anyone here tried a shorter
>>> spindle on their Hillborne with the VO cranks?
>>>
>>> My question - Should I try simply swapping cranks and see how the VO
>>> cranks do at 115/113mm? If so, what would I be watching for to suggest a
>>> problem? OR is this a dumb way to start tinkering with cranks? And if 
>>> so,
>>> any thoughts on swapping BB vs taking it a shop? (I have great shops
>>> nearby, but like to gradually learn a few things every so often.)
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: lowrider rack advice / recommendations

[Keith Weaver]

I’ve had the same question, but about my latest gen Appaloosa. I don’t understand why the Appaloosa doesn’t include fork braze ons to work with standard low rider racks.I had been thinking the hub area rack was the only option, but just saw this at Blue Lug: https://global.bluelug.com/catalog/product/view/id/31396/s/nitto-s-rack/category/41/It’s only supposed to be for thru-fork joints, but they have a blog post showing it mounted on an Appaloosa.Has anyone managed to mount a Tubus low rider or similar?Cheers,KeithOn Jan 7, 2024, at 4:40 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:Thanks for the input, Armand! I see your point, and it's a good one. I'd need to take a measure of the Gamoh adapters, but if the spacing was right, I should be able to distribute the forces across two other points of attachment besides the QR: In theory, I could run the fender stay bolts through the hole on the Gamoh that lines up with the rear-facing braze-on on my fork dropout (assuming it also lines up with the QR axle - but that would remain to be seen). So that would be one direct mount to the fork. The other direct mount would be the crossbar on my Tubus rack that mounts to the mid-fork stay. I would like to think that triangulation of forces would take a lot of the burden off the QR. But again, I'm just speculating here.-BrianLex KYOn Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 6:46:32 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:I wouldn't trust two panniers riding on a QR axle. I know you said you want to maintain your front rack setup, but would be best do ditch it and go with something like a https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-big-front-rack-34f-silver.html On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 1:14:47 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Thank you John! See, I knew at least one of you would remind me that such a solution existed. Forgot about the Gamoh. I’ve actually used them before to make lighting brackets. They’re original intent would suit my needs perfectly it seems!On Jan 7, 2024, at 4:06 PM, John Rinker  wrote:Hey Brian,Is it possible that a Mark's Hub Area rack would work? The only thing you'd need to add is something like the Gamoh rack adapter (bluelug.com) so that you'd have attachment points at the fork dropouts. Just a thought.Cheers, JohnOn Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 12:50:32 PM UTC-8 Brian Turner wrote:Hi all! I'm looking for suggestions on how I can run some low front panniers on my 26" Toyo Atlantis that DOESN'T involve putting clamps around my fork blades, and allows me to keep the canti rack as-is. My issue is that my Atlantis only has one set of braze-ons at the rear of my fork dropouts. My options would be wide-open if only my "touring" frame had all the appropriate mounting points to live up to its potential... but I digress. I really hate the look and the thought of pipe clamps - always have. Also, this bike will have fenders most of the time, so that complicates things a bit as well.I own a Tubus Nova that I love, and hoped would work with this bike, but sadly it just won't given this configuration. I thought I would throw my conundrum out to the group to see if there's some solution that I'm just not thinking of.Here's a photo of my current configurationCheers!BrianLexington, KY



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[RBW] WTB Banana bag or similar

[Keith Weaver]

Hi all,

I’m looking for a banana seat bag or something similar that can hold tools, 
tube, phone, wallet, and maybe a layer. Is anyone looking to offload a bag like 
that?

Cheers,
Keith

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Re: [RBW] Bluelug brass bits in stock

[Keith Weaver]

Thanks for the heads-up! I'm interested in the brass crank caps, but am not
sure how to use them on my Silver crank. The provided crank bolts have
plastic rings where the brass bits would go. Do folks cut/dremel those off?
Buy other crank bolts?

On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 8:10 AM Ted W  wrote:

> For those not subscribed to their marketing list, Velo Orange just sent
> out notice that they have Bluelug brass bits back in stock:
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/bluelug
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Re: [RBW] Deal alert: Five Ten cycling shoes on sale ($63)

[Keith Weaver]

Those do look good, I was thinking this morning that some flat shoes with
less mesh than my Lems could keep my toes warmer on those cool commutes.
Can you comment on how they fit? Would you recommend sizing up?

Cheers,
Keith

On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 8:03 AM Michael Morrissey <
michaelgmorris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> These Five Ten cycling shoes are on sale at Adidas.com. I just ordered
> another pair. I really really like these shoes for riding, and you might
> too.
>
>
> https://www.adidas.com/us/five-ten-freerider-pro-canvas-mountain-bike-shoes/GZ1931.html
>
> Michael
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Re: [RBW] Silver crankset weight

[Keith Weaver]

I just pulled mine out of the box as I’m moving along with my Appaloosa
build. My scale says it’s 1 lb, 11.5 oz.

Cheers,
Keith

On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 2:25 PM i  wrote:

> Has anyone here weighed the 170 variety and can tell me the weight?
> Curious how they stack up against other cranks
>
> Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Re: Whoosa Getting an Appaloosa? 2023

[Keith Weaver]

Looks like I got mine! All paid for, and order confirmation received. I'm
seeing some have already sold out.

On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 8:45 AM Keith Weaver  wrote:

> I'm hoping to get one, have been planning the build for months now. I have
> a pair of Velo Orange Crazy Bars that I bought for a 90s MTB conversion.
> That MTB had such a short steer tube I couldn't make it work, but I kept
> the bars. We'll see if they work for the Appaloosa. I do have a pair of
> Albatross bars around as a backup. I bought a used pair of Vittoria Terreno
> Dry tires (Thanks, Joe!) that are 47 mm wide as my starter pair. Not sure
> what type of tire I'll end up with, but these look like a decent compromise
> to start.
>
> It's been a lot of fun acquiring old parts, I'm going with an XTR rear
> derailleur, Dura-ace clamp-on front, XT parallel-push V-brakes. I had Rich
> build up a pair of wheels with a SON dynamo, also my first dynamo bike.
>
> I'm going for the Limeolive, can't quite get excited about the purple. I
> really wanted mermaid, but oh well.
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 7:16 AM Johnny Alien 
> wrote:
>
>> I am shocked thats a hot color honestly. I am not a huge fan and
>> Rivendell is set on making every bike in that color at this point. Then
>> again I am not in the market for a new bike right now so it doesn't affect
>> me. :)
>>
>> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 10:12:49 AM UTC-4 John A. Bennett wrote:
>>
>>> *I'd say if you want a purple Joe Appaloosa, pretend it's 2021. *
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 5:26:07 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all — Who's getting an Appaloosa today? What color frame? Are you
>>>> building it up or Rivendell? How are you specifying the build? What size
>>>> tires? Which bars?
>>>>
>>>> I got mine built up in 2021 and had it built by Mark Abele at Riv. But
>>>> within a year I'd replaced the bars, stem, shifters, front wheel, rear
>>>> derailer, front derailer and maybe something else I'm forgetting! It's been
>>>> a great bike.
>>>>
>>>> Best of luck to everyone logging on today, I hope the sale is nice and
>>>> relaxed rather than a frantic shootout. Back in 2021 the Platypus and
>>>> Appaloosa frames sold out with lightning speed. It seems things have calmed
>>>> a bit based on the last several frame releases.
>>>>
>>>> Let us know what you're ordering.
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Whoosa Getting an Appaloosa? 2023

[Keith Weaver]

I'm hoping to get one, have been planning the build for months now. I have
a pair of Velo Orange Crazy Bars that I bought for a 90s MTB conversion.
That MTB had such a short steer tube I couldn't make it work, but I kept
the bars. We'll see if they work for the Appaloosa. I do have a pair of
Albatross bars around as a backup. I bought a used pair of Vittoria Terreno
Dry tires (Thanks, Joe!) that are 47 mm wide as my starter pair. Not sure
what type of tire I'll end up with, but these look like a decent compromise
to start.

It's been a lot of fun acquiring old parts, I'm going with an XTR rear
derailleur, Dura-ace clamp-on front, XT parallel-push V-brakes. I had Rich
build up a pair of wheels with a SON dynamo, also my first dynamo bike.

I'm going for the Limeolive, can't quite get excited about the purple. I
really wanted mermaid, but oh well.

Cheers,
Keith

On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 7:16 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> I am shocked thats a hot color honestly. I am not a huge fan and Rivendell
> is set on making every bike in that color at this point. Then again I am
> not in the market for a new bike right now so it doesn't affect me. :)
>
> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 10:12:49 AM UTC-4 John A. Bennett wrote:
>
>> *I'd say if you want a purple Joe Appaloosa, pretend it's 2021. *
>>
>> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 5:26:07 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all — Who's getting an Appaloosa today? What color frame? Are you
>>> building it up or Rivendell? How are you specifying the build? What size
>>> tires? Which bars?
>>>
>>> I got mine built up in 2021 and had it built by Mark Abele at Riv. But
>>> within a year I'd replaced the bars, stem, shifters, front wheel, rear
>>> derailer, front derailer and maybe something else I'm forgetting! It's been
>>> a great bike.
>>>
>>> Best of luck to everyone logging on today, I hope the sale is nice and
>>> relaxed rather than a frantic shootout. Back in 2021 the Platypus and
>>> Appaloosa frames sold out with lightning speed. It seems things have calmed
>>> a bit based on the last several frame releases.
>>>
>>> Let us know what you're ordering.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Keith Weaver]

There's a small (48 cm), red(!) Hillborne in the Bay Area that I'm trying
to resist buying myself. I think it may be a bit small for me with my 79 cm
PBH, and not quite what I need to replace my Disc Trucker. I'm trying to
hold out until the next batch of Appaloosas.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-red-48cm-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7578783667.html

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:40 AM MCT  wrote:

> There is a 61cm Waterford A. Homer Hilsen for sale on Paceine for $1,000
>
> https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=291519
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Re: [RBW] Re: A report on my new leather saddle

[Keith Weaver]

I have found a couple of solutions to the lack of bag loops on modern
saddles. Velo Orange sells clamp on loops, but they didn't look very strong
to me. The Restuvus saddle attachment is nicely made and feels very secure.
I haven't used mine a lot, but I think it's a great option. One source I
found is here: https://builtbyswift.com/shop/hobo-pieces-restuvus/

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 7:28 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:

> I found that the Selle Anatomica works for me, too.  I've had mine for 2
> years now.  I need a saddle for my folding bike and I'm deciding to buy
> another H2 saddle or not.  The selection of non-leather saddles that has
> saddle bag loops is limited, unfortunately.
>
> Tom
> Reston, VA
>
> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:37:24 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug,
>>
>> You are absolutely correct in of having a saddle that works best for me.
>> Now, I can more on to enjoying the ride and scenery.
>>
>> I have a Brooks B-17 saddle on a bike that I retired years ago that never
>> got broken in. Never felt inclined to put it on my Clem.
>>
>> Thank-you for sharing.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 5:15:13 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Kim,
>>> There is nothing better than a saddle that works for you. From your
>>> photo I can see that the Selle Anotomica truly does have a hammock shape,
>>> much different from a Brooks. I'm happy so far with my Brooks B17 but it is
>>> good to know there are leather options in the market.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 1:17:01 AM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>>
 Kim,
 Way to go!  Congrats on getting the saddle you wanted.  It's always a
 bonus to get a piece of gear that makes riding a pleasure.  Many miles to
 you!

 --Joyce

 On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 8:48:16 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com
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> Yesterday, I received in the mail from a purchase I made from a RBW
> member a Selle Anotomica H1 black gun metal leather saddle. He gave me a
> real good deal on it. It had not been ridden with some blemishes on the
> saddle. This is my first Selle Anatomica saddle.
>
> My Brooks B67S saddle was hurting my seat bones. Have I become older ?
> ...or has my butt gotten more bony ? I rode 14 miles last week. I had to
> stop occasionally and rest. Needless to say, it was very annoying.
>
> Today, I hung up the Brooks saddle. I installed my Selle Anatomica H1
> saddle on my PAUL Tall & Handsome seat post. Test rode the saddle to dial
> it in to my comfort between my garage and up and down the street about six
> or seven times.
>
> Guess what ? it truly is a "hammock for my butt" !
>
> It is quite comfortable. I think I can see myself riding longer
> distances with more smiles.
>
> Less rain in the forecast for next week. Time to ride more.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
>
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[RBW] WTB small Atlantis or Appaloosa

[Keith Weaver]

Hi all,
I've been agonizing over trying to buy a Sam Hillborne today, and I think
I've decided it doesn't quite fit what I want. Really the only space in my
bike stable would be if I could replace my Surly Disc Trucker. I think I
shouldn't try to make the Hillborne fit into that slot, when it isn't
intended to be a fully loaded touring bike (feel free to tell me I'm
wrong...).

So, it seems that the Appaloosa or Atlantis is really what I need. Does
anyone have a small one they're looking to move along? I have a 78 cm PBH,
so the smallest size of the latest generation would be what I'm looking
for. I would also be interested in older generations as well, if available.
A frameset or a full build would both be of interest to me.

Good luck to all who are going for a Hillborne today!
Keith in Reno

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki For Sale... Not Mine

[Keith Weaver]

I have been seeing this Saluki pop up on my regular Rivendell searchtempest
survey of nearby craigslist ads. See the ad here:
https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/d/reno-rivendell-saluki/7512953852.html. I
live in Reno, I'm available to help if anyone wants to buy this and finds
the seller doesn't want to deal with shipping.

Cheers,
Keith

On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 12:02 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Very cool, thanks for scraping the info for us, Max!
>
> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 2:21:10 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Yeah  no kidding.  That's a screaming deal on a bike that's that sought
>> after and in that condition.  Beautiful color too - not quite like my more
>> common, yellower ones that I used to call butterscotch but - I now realize
>> - aren't.   It's one of the later run ones - without the rear brake hanger
>> bridge but with more tire clearance and the wider (RC-3?) fork cown.
>> Probably still Toyo made, still has my favorite  pointy lugs and the
>> double-tapered seat stays.  Hope someone here grabs it!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 8:50:54 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Max.  Too bad no color is mentioned, it may have been my original
>>> Saluki if it is green and has centerpulls.  That bike was just too big for
>>> me.  Bike is worth a minimum of 2k if in condition as described, maybe
>>> more.
>>>
>>> Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 10:25 AM, maxcr  wrote:
>>>
>>> Here you go, no connection to the seller, here is the ad info and
>>> comments:
>>>
>>> Seller: Erhard Rathsack
>>> >>
>>> I haven't ridden this bike in many years and would like to sell it. If
>>> you are interested, let me know and I can tell the bike's history, etc
>>> 56cm seat tube, 32" standover. I bought it around 2005 I think
>>> I am in Reno, if you are near would you like to check it out and ride it?
>>> The Saluki is 56st, 58tt, 32" standover, 650c wheels. The frame has very
>>> little use, less than a year and 1000 miles. The components started off on
>>> my old Bleriot which I purchased at RBW in Walnut Creek. After a few years,
>>> I swapped out the Bleriot frame for the Saluki then shortly after
>>> stopped riding the bike because my cycling commute ended. The bike is
>>> located in Reno, NV. The bike rides all Riv, really comfortable. There's a
>>> lot of Nitto, Sugino, and Silver components. I estimate the year of the
>>> bike to be in the 2005 +/- 3 years. This bike was one of the first modern
>>> era 650b bikes.
>>> I looked at what people are "asking" for Rivs on EBay and that was about
>>> $2500. I'd take less than that but I am not really sure what a fair price
>>> is. I think it would be somewhere between $1500 and $2000. I'd take any
>>> suggestions on what I should ask.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:17:28 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I can't access either. Would be nice if someone could share a picture,
 price and location.

 On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 mike goldman wrote:

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[RBW] WTB wide(r) saddle

[Keith Weaver]

Hi,
I’ve set up an old Univega MTB with albatross bars and have found that the old 
WTB Silverado saddle that I had around isn’t very comfortable for my upright 
riding position.

I’m wondering if anyone has a wider saddle sitting around they’d like to sell? 
I’m thinking about a cambium c19, or something with a similar shape.

Cheers,
Keith

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Surly Long Haul trucker

[Keith Weaver]

I'm very glad to hear that! I was feeling guilty that I was burying the
actual for sale post in my speculations. I hope they enjoy their tour on
it. That's mostly what I've done with mine, and I have enjoyed it.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:32 PM Andrew Huston <
firsttolastinaninst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was lucky enough to find a gent who is very excited to buy this bike for
> a tour. It’s on its way to ABQ
> Thanks for all the input !
>
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 11:31:55 AM UTC-4 rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've had a couple 26" LHTs.  Fine enough bikes but not the same ride as a
>> Rivendell.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 1:24:56 PM UTC-7 Keith Weaver wrote:
>>
>>> This topic is definitely interesting to me. I have a circa 2017 26" Disc
>>> Trucker, and I've been debating whether I should replace it with an
>>> Atlantis or maybe an Appaloosa. The input here is making it sound like I
>>> may not notice too much difference between my DT and either of those bikes,
>>> maybe I can hold off my new bike lust for a bit longer.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:10 PM Andrew Huston 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ron, I agree. This is an unassuming bike that can get plenty done with
>>>> basic stuff. I love that people build it with so many different ideas and
>>>> make it quite a unique canvas.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 12:57:05 PM UTC-4 nkni...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_1292.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> One more try, thanks Google.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 9:34:29 AM UTC-5 Navin Nestle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: 9FBDDBA4-4F4D-416B-BD97-8485B3752479.jpeg]
>>>>>> Truckers are definitely the unsung hero of the Surly lineup. Here’s
>>>>>> mine
>>>>>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 10:08:28 AM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This past August I purchased a 64cm Disc Trucker frameset, the newer
>>>>>>> version with thru-axles.   I built it up with same handlebars, seatpost,
>>>>>>> seat, pedals, tires as my 62cm Sam Hillborne (2015 double TT).
>>>>>>> Surprisingly, the two weigh and ride quite similarly.  Got the DT 
>>>>>>> frameset
>>>>>>> to have a second bike that would fit fenders with Snoqualmie Pass tires.
>>>>>>> When I moved up from Barlow Pass to Snoqualmie Pass on the SH, fenders
>>>>>>> would no longer fit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was concerned about how the DT would ride with it's oversize
>>>>>>> tubing, but I find it rides great.  the SH has an oversize down tube of
>>>>>>> 31.8mm like the DT and 2 top tubes of 28.6mm vs the single top tube of
>>>>>>> 31.8mm on the DT, but I think the top tube on the DT is thinner gauge,
>>>>>>> justing by the pitch of ring when tapping on it.  Seat tube on both are
>>>>>>> 28.6mm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 4:21:04 PM UTC-7 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That was a color but I believe for the first gen midnight special.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 7:08:25 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I might be trippin' but I think Surly called this color Hot
>>>>>>>>> Mayonnaise.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 3:37:47 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I managed to get a green which I am very excited for. Your web
>>>>>>>>>> special looks killer with this big tires!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 1:53:00 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Congrats Andrew on the Clem purchase. Which color did you
>>>>>>>>>>> select?
>>>>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>>>>>
&g

Re: [RBW] Re: FS Surly Long Haul trucker

[Keith Weaver]

This topic is definitely interesting to me. I have a circa 2017 26" Disc
Trucker, and I've been debating whether I should replace it with an
Atlantis or maybe an Appaloosa. The input here is making it sound like I
may not notice too much difference between my DT and either of those bikes,
maybe I can hold off my new bike lust for a bit longer.

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:10 PM Andrew Huston <
firsttolastinaninst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ron, I agree. This is an unassuming bike that can get plenty done with
> basic stuff. I love that people build it with so many different ideas and
> make it quite a unique canvas.
>
> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 12:57:05 PM UTC-4 nkni...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_1292.jpg]
>>
>> One more try, thanks Google.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 9:34:29 AM UTC-5 Navin Nestle wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 9FBDDBA4-4F4D-416B-BD97-8485B3752479.jpeg]
>>> Truckers are definitely the unsung hero of the Surly lineup. Here’s mine
>>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 10:08:28 AM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This past August I purchased a 64cm Disc Trucker frameset, the newer
 version with thru-axles.   I built it up with same handlebars, seatpost,
 seat, pedals, tires as my 62cm Sam Hillborne (2015 double TT).
 Surprisingly, the two weigh and ride quite similarly.  Got the DT frameset
 to have a second bike that would fit fenders with Snoqualmie Pass tires.
 When I moved up from Barlow Pass to Snoqualmie Pass on the SH, fenders
 would no longer fit.

 I was concerned about how the DT would ride with it's oversize tubing,
 but I find it rides great.  the SH has an oversize down tube of 31.8mm like
 the DT and 2 top tubes of 28.6mm vs the single top tube of 31.8mm on the
 DT, but I think the top tube on the DT is thinner gauge, justing by the
 pitch of ring when tapping on it.  Seat tube on both are 28.6mm.

 On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 4:21:04 PM UTC-7 Andrew Huston wrote:

> That was a color but I believe for the first gen midnight special.
>
>
> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 7:08:25 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I might be trippin' but I think Surly called this color Hot
>> Mayonnaise.
>>
>> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 at 3:37:47 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>
>>> I managed to get a green which I am very excited for. Your web
>>> special looks killer with this big tires!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 1:53:00 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Congrats Andrew on the Clem purchase. Which color did you select?
 Doug

 On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 11:57:20 AM UTC-4 Andrew Huston
 wrote:

> I was looking for an all around type bike and happened to find a
> NOS 54 LHT. While it was being packed and shipped I got in on the Clem
> Lotto and was fortunate to snag a complete. I definitely do not need 
> both
> now and looking to sell. Box is packed and ready to you out. I paid 
> $1500
> total and I’d like to not take a bath so asking same-ish considering
> shipping etc. discontinued model at this point. Don’t have a photo 
> due to
> being boxed so please use google to see images. Build is as follows
>
>
>- Shimano 3 x 9 drivetrain bar-end shifters LX hubs and rear
>derailleur
>- 100% Surly 4130 chromoly steel. Main triangle double butted.
>Fork is lugged and brazed
>- Tektro CR720 canti brakes and Michelin City 26 x 1.85" tires
>- Microshift  bar end shifters
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Re: [RBW] Re: rides sought

[Keith Weaver]

I camped at Mckerricher state park a few weeks ago, near Fort Bragg, and
found a couple of good rides. One is along the coast, between Fort Bragg
and Mckerricher. This is a paved, very flat trail. The next ride is in the
Jackson State Demonstration Forest, near Mendocino. I started fairly high
up the slope, along the Forest History trails. This was very steep, I
wouldn't recommend it too highly, unless you want steep MTB action.

When I got to the lower portions of the trails, I had a lot of fun riding
along the Big River. It was relatively flat, smooth soil with some gravel.
I didn't go all the way along the trail, due to time, but it had to be a
couple of miles long at least. This would be from the intersection of Road
700 & Road 730. I think Trailforks calls this the Big River Haul Road, and
it looks like it goes all the way to Mendocino.

I found a site describing a new trail in this area with a bit of climbing,
it's the Observatory Trail. Below are a couple of links that may be helpful.
https://www.brewerygulchinn.com/the-view-from-the-gulch/the-forest-history-trail
https://www.trailforks.com/trails/observatory-trail-aka-ot/
https://www.advocate-news.com/2021/04/08/new-multi-use-trail-opens-in-jackson-forest/




On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:07 PM Lucky Turnip  wrote:

> Thanks for your reply. The scenery there is gorgeous (bikes included!)
> I guess what I am wondering is if there are any favorite trails people
> have to recommend in that area, we can put the bikes on the car to get
> there if necessary (sometimes the only way to get to the ride with young
> kids.)
> Can be mildly technical MTB or paved or gravel, our bikes do it all. :)
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 9:25 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know it’s not about the purple Glorius, but 朗. I saw that bike and
>> thought, we have got to introduce this woman and her bike to Ana, of
>> PurpleRiv fame. Ana’s got a custom in a deeper purple and it is basically a
>> Glorius. These two would get along!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 9:05:09 AM UTC-7 redsf wrote:
>>
>>> My kids had a great time riding around the campground and out to the
>>> beach.  As I recall the trail to the beach was not designed for bikes, but
>>> our 9-12 year olds manage, we walked.  You could also bike into town for
>>> ice cream from the campground.  We then spent a couple nights at Salt Point
>>> State Park and we did some more riding there.  They promote some mountain
>>> bike trails, but you can also ride down to and along the coast from your
>>> campsite.  We brought our Sam, a beautiful purple Glorious, a saved from
>>> the junk yard and refurbished mt bike and REI kids bike.  I didn't take the
>>> photos for Riv content, but you get glimpse of the bikes and experience.
>>> TR
>>> [image: DSC_0086.jpg]
>>> [image: DSC_0095.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:21:02 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>>>
 I have a reservation for a campsite in Gualala (California Mendocino
 area) and would love to bring the family bikes. We've been to the area
 before and never brought bikes. Can anyone recommend any cool places to
 bike there that are kid friendly for riders who aren't that
 cautious cycling on a highway, for example? If you have a recommended ride
 there I can start researching what might be best for us.

 Riv content: I will likely bring my Atlantis, of which I will take
 great photos in that gorgeous area.

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[RBW] Front pannier rack for Appaloosa

[Keith Weaver]

Hi all,
I may soon be buying a Joe Appaloosa, and I'm wondering about using it as a
loaded touring bike. It sounds like the bike should work well for that
purpose, but the fork's upper eyelets seem a bit problematic.

I have a Surly Disc Trucker with the Tubus Duo pannier rack, it's been a
great setup for me. It looks like the Appaloosa fork has only one set of
upper eyelets, which are too high for the Duo rack. The only simple,
elegant front pannier rack I've seen that would work with those upper
eyelets is the Nitto Mark's hub area rack (with hoop). That rack is sold
out, and I guess there was a recent batch in stock that sold out very fast.

I could mount the Tubus Tara rack or similar using clamp on eyelets, but
I'd like to avoid those clamps if at all possible. Does anyone have
recommendations on other rack options, or a hub area rack they would sell,
or comments that I shouldn't do this at all?

Cheers,
Keith

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[RBW] WTB: Small Atlantis

[Keith Weaver]

Hello,
I thought I'd just throw this out and see if anyone has a small Atlantis
frame or complete bike that they're interested in selling. My PBH is 78.5
cm, so I'd be looking for a 47 cm current design, maybe a bit larger for an
older version (unless I don't understand the sizing of the older versions).

I have a Surly Disc Trucker, but the beauty of the Atlantis is calling to
me to replace the Surly and maybe have a touring bike I enjoy using more
when it doesn't have a full load on it.

I could also be interested in other similar Riv models that would be a good
replacement for the Trucker, if someone has something else that may fit the
bill. Say, an Appaloosa, or a Hillborne.

I'm up for shipping a bike to me in Reno, or I could drive a ways to pick
it up, if that influences the deal.

Thanks,
Keith

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Re: [RBW] Electric bicycles (Was: Copenhagen wheel)

[Keith Weaver]

I have an XO-3 that I had a shop install a Bafang BBS02 system on several
years back. It uses a Revelate 1/2 frame bag to hold the battery just under
the top tube, while still allowing me to run a small water bottle in the
seat tube cage. The system has plenty of power for me, and has given me a
range of almost 40 miles, although I've only run out of battery once.

This is a "mid-drive" system that replaces the crankset and bottom bracket,
with the motor sitting just ahead of the bottom bracket. I'd recommend
doing a bit of research on mid-drives vs hub motors, the option that will
work best for you may depend on the kind terrain you intend to ride on.
I've read that hub motors aren't as well suited to long, steep hills as
mid-drives.

I went with a shop install because I wanted to have someone to repair it if
needed, but if doing it again, I'd probably do it myself and save a lot of
money. Bafang kits are available for much less than I paid, most with a
battery that mounts to the down tube cage mounts. I might recommend the
BBSHD, as it is a bit more robust than my BBS02, and doesn't have the
problem with the driveshaft bearing that I ended up repairing myself.

I will say that my kit is not as "natural" feeling as other ebikes I've
tried, because it only has a cadence sensor, no torque sensor. This can
result in the motor engaging in a bit of a jerky manner at times.
Nonetheless, for retro-fitting an existing bike, I think a mid-drive is a
great way to go. Another benefit of my kit is that it includes a throttle.
I don't use it often, but it's great to be able to get a burst of speed
when trying to get into a left turn lane on a higher-speed street.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 9:55 PM Sky Coulter  wrote:

> Nice bike!  I’d love the new gsd r14 for me if i was upgrading. I bought
> my wife a riese and muller load 75 to take our youngest to preschool after
> getting my ebike off craigslist. She loves it and uses it mosy days...sky
>
> On Jan 13, 2021, at 9:12 PM, rltil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I went with an option that was definitely not the most cost effective but
> it is one I would do again now that I’ve been using it for over a year. I
> went with a Tern GSD S00 e-cargo bike.
>
> The bike takes up about the same amount of room as a normal bike but can
> carry 400 lbs. It also adjusts to fit nearly any rider so my 5’ 2” wife can
> ride it by quickly adjusting the saddle and bars. I ike the included
> panniers but do miss the larger size of my old Xtracycle bags sometimes. I
> added a front rack to add some cargo carrying capacity.
>
> The Bosch system feels just like a normal bike due to the torque sensor.
> It just feels like I have Lance’s legs instead of my own. The interesting
> thing for me is that my average heart rate is the same on the e-bike as it
> is on my other bikes. I just get more speed out of it.
>
> https://roberttilley.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Tern-GDS-S00-2019/i-XWgxBkQ/A
>
> I added an extra battery to mine and can get a bit over 60 miles using the
> highest assist level.   At the lowest assist it would be well over 100
> miles. One battery would do about half that I believe. I rarely use my car
> for errands these days. It only gets fired up for fun stuff.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 13, 2021, at 5:33 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> I was sorry to hear that the CW is no longer being made. Tho' my contact
> was solely press releases and enthusiast product reviews, it did seem, to
> me, to be a very neat and imaginative packaging of a very useful technology.
>
> And this leads me to a question that I've been mulling over for a few
> years now. Question 1: If you want and electric bicycle, for loaded errand
> riding with ~30 mile out-and-back range, what is the most cost effective
> way to do this?
>
> I've thought that, if I ever upgrade to a lighter and better quality ss
> mountain bike, that the Monocog 29er would make a dandy electric conversion
> platform. So, Question 2: if one were to choose modification instead of
> purchase, what is the most long-term cost effective way to make such a
> conversion?
>
> Or should I just look up plan to motorize a bicycle using a chainsaw motor?
>
> Patrick Moore, who is kidding about the chainsaw, but who really did once
> see, parked outside a bike shop, a Whizzer in *tout* motor cycle gang
> black with ape hanger bars and big wing mirrors. I saw the owner inside. He
> was wearing a black leather jacket and boots. Not kidding this time!
>
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[RBW] WTB: Brooks Cambium C17 (Preferably brown)

[Keith Weaver]

Hi,

I'm interested in trying out a cambium saddle, and thought I'd see if
anyone on the list has one they're not using and would be willing to part
with. I like brown saddles, but any color would be OK. I'm assuming the C17
size would be best for me, based on how much I like my B17.

Cheers,
Keith

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Re: [RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

[Keith Weaver]

I would also suggest North Shore racks, another one that mounts the bikes
vertically: https://northshoreracks.com/racks/folding-nsr-6-bike/

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 7:29 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
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> Good folks in your neighboring Utah make this fiver-
> https://www.altaracks.com/product/alta-six-gpr-five-pack/
> -Kai
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Re: [RBW] Re: 50cm MIT Atlantis with 26” wheels?

[Keith Weaver]

I'll chime in and say that I rode a 50 cm Atlantis at Riv last spring, but
I'm not sure what the wheel size was. My PBH is 78-79 cm, Will said he
would recommend the 47 cm for me, but they didn't have one built up to
ride.

The 50 cm felt great to me, I'm sorely tempted by that CL listing. My issue
is that I already own a Surly Disc Trucker, that has a large amount of
overlap with the Atlantis. I'm sure I'd like the Riv better, but am having
a hard time justifying the new purchase.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:08 PM Pancake  wrote:

> PBH 73cm means no luck with the 50cm Atlantis =(
> Seller is very pleasant and helpful, someone should get this bike
> including the nice dynamo and light:
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-2018-rivendell-bicycle-works/7106843471.html
>
> *So now I'm in the market for a 47cm Cheviot (listed on the geometry page
> but not as a frame option on the sales page?) or 45cm Clem L. *
>
> Thanks for all the help, hopefully someone else picks this up.
> Abe
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 1:29:22 PM UTC-7, Pancake wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to convince my wife to remeasure her PBH in a bit, but I
>> strongly suspect this is a bit too big for her (5'2", PBH TBD).
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:24 PM Joe Bernard
>>
>>> Abe, here's the PBH chart (which is harder to find on the site than it
>>> should be). Minimum PBH is 80cm, minimum saddle height 69cm (assuming 170mm
>>> cranks). It would fit me great at 5'-6" with Albas or Boscos.
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh
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Re: [RBW] Cycling Glasses

[Keith Weaver]

I just went through this, and settled on some that I've been happy with.
They are the Tifosi Tyrant 2.0. I got them with the brown polarized fototec
lenses. That is a photochromic lens, they do lighten and darken based on on
surrounding brightness. I can't say I've noticed the light transmission
varying a lot, but they have been about right for cloudy and dusky
conditions, as well as sunny days. There are a lot of other lens options
for these, and they are interchangeable, so you can switch them up if
desired. I also wanted some shades that would be somewhat stylish in off
the bike settings, these are acceptable for me, if not the most
good-looking casual shades.
Cheers,
Keith

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 6:28 PM DHans  wrote:

> I’m looking to buy sunglasses/cycling glasses to wear riding but want a
> pair that function just as well off the bike. I’ve seen some Tifosi models
> that look nice and functional. I’ve worn Oakley for the past few years but
> don’t want to spend that much on a new pair. Does anyone like lenses that
> lighten and darken depending on the brightness of the day? I’d appreciate
> any feedback from my Riv compadres.
> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crash Stories

[Keith Weaver]

Mountain biking has of course resulted in more crashes than I could count,
luckily none with anything more lasting some minor scarring. One memorable
one was on Maui, riding in the Poli-Poli area on the slopes of Haleakala. I
fell off the downslope side of the trail and landed in the dense tropical
vegetation, suspended about 5 feet above the actual ground. My friends said
it was striking to watch, I just disappeared into the vegetation. I was
unharmed, but it was quite a struggle to get back up to the trail without
being able to reach the ground!

One that was a bit more of a teachable moment for me happened when I was
16. I was riding down the only hill in my town, on the sidewalk on the left
side of the street, building speed for a jump that was on the next block.
It was a ridge in the pavement where two driveways were right next to
each other. Not much of a jump, but it was fun for me. A car pulled out
across the crosswalk I had been planning on riding through at top speed,
and I hit the right front fender. I did a full front flip, with my hands
still on the bars and my bike above me, over the hood of the car. I swear I
remember looking in the windshield of the car, at the family of four, their
mouths open in horror. I landed approximately on my back, with my feet
hitting first, then my butt, then my back. Generally unharmed, I don't
think I even got scratched up (no helmet of course, this was 1986). The
fork of my bike collapsed, and the front wheel was toast, but otherwise it
was OK. The driver was very apologetic, and loaded my bike in his car and
drove me home. My takeaway from this: only ride on the sidewalk if you
must, and be careful at intersections!

Cheers,
Keith

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:02 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> One more only, I promise, but it's very on-topic. The most violent bike
> accident I've seen, fortunately not mine. I was walking home after
> hitchhiking at the blind-spot bottom of a long, steep hill curving left
> toward our house 3/4-mile along near top; narrow, curving, 2-lane blacktop
> -- in US, width of neighborhood street --  from Town and major artery. Brit
> coming up fast behind me in Jag or Merc or Rover, speeding as all did -- 60
> was common; he must have been doing 70 -- swung wide right on blind corner
> to pass a small road roller chugging along near me at 6 mph with nothing at
> all to warn oncomers of slow vehicle ahead -- and ran smack head on into 2
> black Africans coasting downhill at 35 mph on a rodbraked roadster,
> passenger on rear rack (I add the race information because it is part of
> the story. Brit was rich white African with nice car whose criminal
> stupidity is part of the narrative, though criminal -- jail time in US --
> driving stupidity then and there was the habit of all races and classes
> except perhaps South Asians). Rider and passenger went literally
> cartwheeling 10 feet into the air. The driver did stop and I saw him and
> passers by carrying rider to car, with large hole gouged out of his calf;
> passenger was standing, shaken, as you might expect. My father often left
> Sunday dinner upon hearing crash noises to take victims to hospital; Kenya
> had one of world's highest accident rates at the time, and the old Limuru
> road was one of the worst for them. Yet, yet, yet -- I rode all over the
> countryside and downtown on various bikes, including my first build with
> freewheel and no brake except foot on front tire, with no accidents, and
> most close calls due to my own agression (against cars and buses behaving
> badly). Despite the criminal driving, Kenya's vehicles and infrastructure
> were far more sophisticated than India's, where I also rode, and especially
> Pakistan's, where traffic was just truly and bizarrely ungoverned by any
> principle besides rule of biggest -- damned hellhole of a country; yet in
> no place did bike accidents seem horribly numerous, the latter 2 places
> being saved doubtless because crowding prevented speeding. Bismark again
> ...?
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[RBW] WTB Gray Banana Sax

[Keith Weaver]

Hi al,
I'm wondering if anyone has a gray Riv Banana Sax they're not using? It
doesn't have to be in perfect condition, but I think that color would work
best for the Ti bike it will hang on.

Cheers,
Keith

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Re: [RBW] Raid Bill's Stable: Nine bikes available For Sale

[Keith Weaver]

I have to say, I love this bike. I had a Univega touring bike in the same
color, circa 1982(?) It was my first brand new road bike. I remember poring
over the Univega catalog and really wanting one of those top of the line
racy road models. I keep an eye out for them on Craigslist, but don't know
if I could justify more space taken up  in the garage by another bike.
Luckily for me, 61 is about 8-10 cm too big for me, so I can let this one
pass me by.

Cheers,
Keith

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 6:28 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Jonathan requested photos of bike #8, my Eroica-ready Univega Gran
> Premio.  This Suntour Cyclone Mark II stuff was really a benchmark in
> performance per dollar.  I've always been a big fan of the self-trimming
> front derailer, and the through the center cable routing on the rear der.
> The brakes and crankset are timeless shapes, and the sealed bearing hubs
> will outlive us all.
>
> flickr album
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157713199195553
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 9:05:01 AM UTC-8, Jonathan D. wrote:
>>
>> There are several bikes I would love to buy but can’t justify right now.
>> Do you have a pic of the Univega?  I have a frame I want to build up and
>> curious to see your build.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Christmas Rivendells

[Keith Weaver]

Kent,

That's a great story! I hadn't realized you were posting on your blog
again, It was a great treat to get to read some of your other new posts.
I'd guess most folks on this list are familiar with your blog, but if not,
I'd highlight recommend all of it.

Leah, I don't have any Christmas bike stories this year, but I can
definitely relate to your tale of the joy and anticipation that new Huffy
brought to you!

Happy holidays to all,
Keith

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 12:12 PM Kent Peterson -- Eugene, Oregon <
kentsb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, this isn't exactly what you asked about, but here's a "getting a new
> bike for Christmas" story, that I wrote up a few years back:
>
>
> https://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2011/12/santa-is-just-as-real-as-bigfoot.html
>
> 'Tis the season.
>
> Kent Peterson
> Eugene, OR USA
>
> On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 10:15:15 AM UTC-8, Bicycle Belle Ding
> Ding! wrote:
>>
>> Is anyone is getting a new bike or getting a loved one a new bike for
>> Christmas? This will be a really fun thread if there are a lot of people
>> planning for new bikes under their trees, or it could be really quiet here
>> (I know winter is not peak bike-purchasing season for most of the country),
>> but let’s see.
>>
>> I got a Clem a couple of months earlier, so I can’t contribute, but I’ll
>> include a short Christmas bike story anyway. My favorite gift as a kid was
>> the Huffy purple/black/gray mountain bike I got for Christmas in 5th or 6th
>> grade. The problem was that I was born and raised in North Dakota, where
>> the winters are long and fierce. I Could. Not. Wait. for spring that year.
>> I would walk out into the garage and stare at my new bike all that winter.
>> It had GEARS. It came with a WATER BOTTLE (that was cracked, but oh well)
>> and it had a small handlebar bag! Sometimes it got the best of me and I’d
>> wheel it out onto the street in front of the house and just pedal it a
>> little bit. The tires were perpetually flat, and I usually gave up and went
>> back inside quickly. But I was so content knowing that new bike - the first
>> new bike I’d ever had - was waiting for me in that garage. I could not wait
>> for spring to come.
>>
>> My very best friend got the same bike (both sets of parents favored
>> shopping at Target), and on some lucky Fridays, after school let out, we’d
>> pedal home to her farm where I’d stay and ride her horses with her all
>> weekend until church on Sunday. It was gravel roads the entire ride, and a
>> good 5 miles. We were just kids (11?12?) in the 90s and it was a real
>> adventure. I don’t know how we weren’t killed by gravel trucks as they
>> crested the hills; they’d never be expecting kids riding bikes on those
>> twisty gravel roads. Also, what were our parents thinking?!? But the only
>> thing I loved to ride more than my purple mountain bike was my friend’s big
>> old quarter horse, Bud - so away we went. We were big stuff.
>>
>> That Huffy was probably the nicest bike I ever had until I was 31 years
>> old and got a Betty Foy. I think Mom and Dad still have the Huffy in their
>> storage unit in my hometown. I’ll look for it this summer and take a selfie
>> with it. Now I’m completely bike-rich and marvel at my humble bike
>> beginnings. My first bike was a garage sale bike I got when I was 7, and
>> that is another tale. It’s so fun to look back at that Christmas and
>> remember how excited I was to taste the freedom that a new bike was going
>> to bring me.
>>
>> I hope someone is getting a new bike for Christmas this year. Christmas
>> bikes are the most sacred of bikes.
>>
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Keith Weaver]

I'm right between 78 and 79. If I bought a new Riv, it would probably be an
Atlantis. I test rode a 50 cm this summer, it felt great. They said they'd
actually recommend a 47, for standover clearance, but the 50 felt
comfortable for me.

If anyone has an Atlantis frame in one of those sizes, or a corresponding
earlier version, I could be tempted...

But, I am still confused why I can't find PBH on that table. I have to be
missing something, right?

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 4:07 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Keith
>
> What's your PBH and which bike are you interested in?  I'll recommend a
> size for you :)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 3:25:00 PM UTC-8, Keith Weaver wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused by the geometry table. I can't find PBH on the table, and
>> standover height is blank for the Atlantis and several others. Rivendell
>> bases frame size on PBH, why isn't it listed on this table, or am I missing
>> something crucial?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:00 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> I understand Grant's apprehension with posting geometry since Rivs fit a
>>> bit differently than most bikes so the numbers can be misleading - but
>>> reach and stack, along with standover, are key elements to determining fit,
>>> and I'm a firm believer in a proper fit being the most important element of
>>> getting a bike.  The other numbers... they could be at a "for reference
>>> only, look at your own risk" status to me
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Re: [RBW] Re: New 2019 frame geometry charts up on RBW's website

[Keith Weaver]

I'm confused by the geometry table. I can't find PBH on the table, and
standover height is blank for the Atlantis and several others. Rivendell
bases frame size on PBH, why isn't it listed on this table, or am I missing
something crucial?

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:00 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> I understand Grant's apprehension with posting geometry since Rivs fit a
> bit differently than most bikes so the numbers can be misleading - but
> reach and stack, along with standover, are key elements to determining fit,
> and I'm a firm believer in a proper fit being the most important element of
> getting a bike.  The other numbers... they could be at a "for reference
> only, look at your own risk" status to me
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Re: [RBW] FS: 2 Brooks Cambium 17s and a Nitto large front rack

[Keith Weaver]

I'm interested in the slate Cambium saddle.

Thanks,
Keith

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> Hi all,
> I have two cambium 17s that just didn't work for me. One is a nearly new
> (slate top and bottom) and the other is a little older and slightly faded
> on top (slate top and tan bottom). Asking $80 shipped for the newer one and
> $65 shipped for the tan bottom one.
>
> I've also got a nearly new Nitto big front rack that has two attachment
> pieces that fit fine on my Hunq. Asking $145 shipped. I bought this from a
> list member a while ago and never used it.
>
> Pics here:  https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0x5BydzFWMY9A
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for a replacement for the old MUSA short sleeved merino wool jersey

[Keith Weaver]

I've been wearing the Minus33 merino 1/4 zip short sleeve shirts for
several years. Good durability, one of mine has a few holes, but I think
those are due to moths. My newer one was purchased almost two years ago and
has no holes. I wash them in the machine with Kookaburra wool wash and hang
dry. They're actually a little loose cut. No pockets unfortunately, but
quite good otherwise.I get mine at amazon, see here:
Minus33-Merino-Wool-Tarleton
.
These are the closest I have found to a merino bike jersey in a cut that is
compatible for my heavier, shorter build (5'6", 200 lbs, size 46 chest). I
wear an XL in these.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 3:10 PM Bill Rhea  wrote:

> HI Rod,
>
> FWIW, Kucharik is still in business and produces nice-quality, reasonably
> priced wool jerseys.
>
> https://www.kucharikclothing.com/-c-21.html
>
> Their sizing runs toward the roomier end of things also, unlike most
> European jerseys.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -br
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 1:01:27 PM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> Back when Riv was still offering them, I bought a couple of MUSA short
>> sleeved merino wool jerseys, the ones sold in royal blue. They have worked
>> very well for me, very light-weight wool (comparable, I think, to what the
>> SmartWool people call "microweight", but who's weighing?) that are cool in
>> the heat and wick sweat very nicely. They're now fading, literally and
>> figuratively, and it's clear I'm going to have to replace them, for next
>> season if not this one. Anyone care to share a recommendation for a source
>> of comparable jerseys?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> rod
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Re: [RBW] Suggestions for best cycling shades?

[Keith Weaver]

I wear Native Nanos, and bought a pair of the Nano2 (squared) a little
later. It seems like these have been discontinued, but Native has similar
frames available now. Many of their models include their sportflex (light
orange) lens as well as a dark lens. Lots of their frame styles provide
good wind protection, and the lens interchangeability can be handy.

REI carries them, you may be able to find the brand elsewhere as well.

Cheers,
Keith

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 1:52 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Asking on the RBW list after having asked on the Boblist, in case this
> list has cycling glasses periti who don't read the Boblist.
>
> I've been using 2 pr Tifosi shades. One is photochromatic, and that one
> seems to block the wind sufficiently to keep my eyes from turning red after
> 10 miles; it also stays put securely on my Asian-ish* nose. But this pair
> doesn't get dark enough for our mile-high sun in mid summer at noon -- when
> the light makes the Santa Monica boardwalk at summer noon feel like the
> winter solstice, and I'm not kidding. I use this pair on cloudy days and at
> night.
>
> The other pair is also Tifosi, and dark enough, and this is my go-to pair,
> but it doesn't block the wind sufficiently, and it doesn't stay on my nose.
> This pair may be older, as it was at least second hand, original source
> unknown. My eyes turn red, especially on windy days which kick up dust and
> pollen; out here, we don't have twee little green grass verges, the sides
> of the roads are gravel and sand.
>
> I realize that, after saddles and bars, shades are probably the most
> personal choice in riding kit, but can anyone, particularly anyone of east
> Asian ancestry, suggest some options?
>
> I'd happily ride bare-eyed, but again, dust and pollen and wind make that
> impractical.
>
> Thanks
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Appropriate Areas to Ride in Reno

[Keith Weaver]

I'm in Reno and can give a few recommendations. The classic road ride is
the Reno to Verdi loop. Start in NW Reno, head to the west to Verdi
(pronounced verd-eye) and come back the same way. You can make it a fairly
flat ride along the river, or detour up into the Somersett development on
the north side of the route to add some climbing. About 25 miles round
trip, generally quiet traffic, pretty good views of the surrounding
scenery. Here's a map link from a local cycling club:
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14682543. You don't have to go out to the
spur shown with points 14, 18, and 16, but I like that stretch.

We do have a path along the Truckee River, it's about 12-13 miles round
trip from downtown Reno out to the east end of the valley and back. It's a
bit bumpy with tree roots assaulting the asphalt, and it can be a bit
sketchy with the fairly high homeless population. I rode it on Saturday, it
was fine, but not the best representation of our community.

Another fun ride is out around Washoe Valley. You can start at Bowers
Mansion, and ride either direction around the edge of the valley. I like to
go south (counterclockwise) and out along Franktown Road. The eastern side
of the valley (Eastlake Blvd) is a little less inviting, but still not bad.
This route is best to ride earlier in the day, as winds can get very strong
down here.

We have a new separated pedestrian path along Veteran's Parkway, from the
Truckee River south to South Meadows Parkway. It's about 5 miles one way,
quite flat, and gives you a nice view of the east side of the valley.

Feel free to ping me privately for more details

Cheers,
Keith

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:00 AM Corwin  wrote:

> Hi -
>
> I'm traveling to Reno tomorrow. Going to take the custom. Hoping to find
> some nice roads to ride. Have a couple days - but will overnight downtown
> in a hotel. Mainly interested in day trips on roads. Really like hills, but
> nice flats are OK too.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help,
>
>
> Corwin
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Re: [RBW] Glacier Point Road in Yosemite open to bikes only Sat May 4

[Keith Weaver]

That sounds great! Living in Reno, the Tioga Road from Lee Vining is my
preferred route. It looks like that may be a bit longer before it's open.
They usually do a bikes-only weekend on that road as well, your message
reminded me to keep my eyes open for that announcement. I have also gone
before they open all the way, it was fun to ride up to a wall of snow by
Tioga Lake.

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 7:29 AM tuolumne bikes 
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> See https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/tioga.htm
>
> for info and updates on not yet announced bikes only dates for Tioga Road.
>
> Glacier Point is a 36 mile round trip out-and-back from Wawona Road. I
> recall entry fee as $30/car from last year. Facilities along the road are
> usually closed, so be self-sufficient. Photo is lunch from last year. On
> bikes only days the only visitors out at the point either biked in or hiked
> up from the valley. The website isn't entirely clear, but it looks like
> Sunday may be bikes only too. Will be out there Sat on orange tandem.
>
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Re: [RBW] Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

[Keith Weaver]

I have an S coupled bike, I'd recommend using those kind of splitters.
This is assuming your frame has split cable stops to let you pull the cable
attached to the bars out easily.

Here's a link to a site that carries them:
http://www.davincitandems.com/components/. Take a look down toward the
bottom. You'll have to get two brake kits, as an S bike normally only has
one brake cable split.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 7:02 AM Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
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> I would suggest building up a Sam Hillborne or a Clem with the cockpit you
> like if possible. Decision on what to ride can be made at ride time.
> Jon
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bar tape color recommendation

[Keith Weaver]

I'm not fully committed to the Sella, it's sagging and will likely need to
be re-covered fairly soon. I do have a honey Brooks on another bike that I
don't ride a lot, I've been toying with putting that saddle on the Riv. I
have also been considering going to a more standard, lighter black saddle.
I've really enjoyed the WTB Silverado on my other road bike, and may get
another to go on this bike.

I'm not committed to cloth tape with shellac, but I'd like to try it for a
while. On other bikes I've used the Lizard Skins tape, and leather bar tape.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 9:35 AM Doug Bloch  wrote:

> I have used amber shellac on both yellow and orange Newbaum’s and found
> the yellow to be closer to the honey brown on a Brooks.
>
> The old adage was the tape should match the saddle. Are you sticking with
> that one? And are you committed to cloth tape/shellac?
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Small Saddlesack, Brooks cambium

[Keith Weaver]

Thanks for letting me know, but I already found one yesterday that should be 
arriving soon.  This list is so great for finding parts and assistance!  I need 
to go through my parts bins and see if I have anything I can put back into 
circulation. 

Cheers,
Keith

> On Apr 2, 2019, at 4:47 PM, Emily Guise  wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith, I know that John Bennett at Rivelo here in Portland has two or 
> three small saddlesacks for sale. I just bought a medium from him and was 
> considering a small. He responds quickly to emails and I'm sure he'd be happy 
> to help you out! His email is benn...@rivelopdx.com. 
> 
> Emily
> 
> 
>> On Monday, April 1, 2019 at 8:27:18 AM UTC-7, Keith Weaver wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I'm thinking I'd like to try a saddlesack for my 54 cm Riv Road. Of course, 
>> it looks like the now discontinued small size would be the one for me. I 
>> have about 9.5" between my saddle loops and the rear tire, so the new BagBoy 
>> won't really work for me. Let me know if you have a Small size saddlesack 
>> for sale.
>> 
>> The bike is currently running an older Sella Anatomica saddle that is at the 
>> end of the adjuster bolt and still feels kind of saggy. I think I may 
>> eventually get it re-covered, but in the meantime, I've been interested in a 
>> Cambium saddle for quite a while. Does anyone have a Cambium sitting around 
>> that they would part with?
>> 
>> On a related note, these parts are for the Road frame that I previously 
>> posted about regarding my Albatross bars situation. It wasn't very 
>> comfortable with those bars, likely due to the cramped cockpit and 
>> relatively harsh ride of the Ruffy Tuffy tires when sitting up so straight. 
>> This weekend I mounted a set of 46 cm Noodles that I bought from a list 
>> member as a complete cockpit, with Tallux stem, Tektro brake levers, Suntour 
>> bar-ends and multi-color bar tape. I rode it both days this weekend, and I 
>> think I like this bike a lot more as a drop-bar bike. I'm considering going 
>> for the Compass Chinook Pass EL tires once I wear out the Tuffys, or just 
>> get tired of them. Now I just need to figure out what frame I should get to 
>> put my Albatross cockpit on!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
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[RBW] WTB: Small Saddlesack, Brooks cambium

[Keith Weaver]

Hi all,
I'm thinking I'd like to try a saddlesack for my 54 cm Riv Road. Of course,
it looks like the now discontinued small size would be the one for me. I
have about 9.5" between my saddle loops and the rear tire, so the new
BagBoy won't really work for me. Let me know if you have a Small size
saddlesack for sale.

The bike is currently running an older Sella Anatomica saddle that is at
the end of the adjuster bolt and still feels kind of saggy. I think I may
eventually get it re-covered, but in the meantime, I've been interested in
a Cambium saddle for quite a while. Does anyone have a Cambium sitting
around that they would part with?

On a related note, these parts are for the Road frame that I previously
posted about regarding my Albatross bars situation. It wasn't very
comfortable with those bars, likely due to the cramped cockpit and
relatively harsh ride of the Ruffy Tuffy tires when sitting up so straight.
This weekend I mounted a set of 46 cm Noodles that I bought from a list
member as a complete cockpit, with Tallux stem, Tektro brake levers,
Suntour bar-ends and multi-color bar tape. I rode it both days this
weekend, and I think I like this bike a lot more as a drop-bar bike. I'm
considering going for the Compass Chinook Pass EL tires once I wear out the
Tuffys, or just get tired of them. Now I just need to figure out what frame
I should get to put my Albatross cockpit on!

Cheers,
Keith

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Re: [RBW] Enable my bicycle buying issues!

[Keith Weaver]

Hi Greg,
I haven't noticed if the BB is chamfered. I bought the frame off craigslist
from someone in the East Bay area about 4-5 years ago, so it's possible
that it is your frame.

It's good to get this input from the group, both on the suitability of this
frame for Alba bars (at least for me), and on whether it really should stay
with the beausage it has right now.

I think I've just gotten in the habit of acquiring a new bike every 12-18
months for the last 3-4 years. I just need to realize that this habit
requires that some bikes actually leave the garage eventually.

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 2:13 PM Greg J  wrote:

> Hi Keith,
>
> That looks like my old Riv Road Std that I bought from Hiroshi at
> Jitensha.  Is it chamfered for a Mavic BB?
>
> best, Greg
> Oakland, CA
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 10:15:19 AM UTC-7, Keith Weaver wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to all for the great responses! I really enjoyed looking at the
>> beautiful bikes at NAHBS on Saturday, and got to look at 3 Rivs in person
>> at their (busy) booth. I took my Riv Road, and was able to ride it for
>> about 1.5 hours the next day, outside of Woodland, CA. I was with a group
>> on a large variety of bikes, and I was never the limiting factor, so the
>> bars didn't slow me down by much. That said, the position still feels a
>> little too upright on narrow, stiff tires. I think a longer stem may help
>> with that, but right now, I'm leaning toward mounting some Noodle bars I
>> already have onto the Riv, and possibly trying the Alba bars on my Disc
>> Trucker.
>>
>> A closer examination of my funds seems to indicate I should pare some
>> items out of the garage before I splurge on a new frame or on a paint job
>> for the Road Standard. That said, if anyone has a ~52 cm Rambouillet, AHH,
>> or similar Riv frame that would be a good light-ish Alba bar candidate,
>> feel free to hit me up. I may be in a mood to make a financially
>> irresponsible decision!
>>
>> Here's a shot of my Road Standard in its current configuration, I have
>> dropped the bars a significant amount, based on group feedback from the
>> last time I posted a shot of it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 8:12 AM RichS  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Keith:
>>>
>>> My experience with Albatross bars is similar to what others have
>>> expressed; especially Drew's observation about the role geometry plays in
>>> handlebar selection. Albatross bars felt good on my Atlantis, so with this
>>> in mind I tried Albas on my Sam (which always had Nitto Noodles). With
>>> Sam's more slack geometry and lighter feeling steering the Albas just
>>> weren't working for me (even though pictures prove there are a plenty of
>>> Sams being ridden with Albas). Now, Noodles are back on the Sam and we're
>>> both happier.
>>>
>>> Side notes: 1. the versatile Atlantis feels perfect with Noodles too. 2.
>>> a new MIT Homer is enroute to me now and the bars will definitely be
>>> Noodles.
>>>
>>> I say go for the new Homer!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 15, 2019 at 8:40:03 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Going back over Keith's post, I think a new AHH is the way to go. It's
>>>> new and lugged and the color (with cream) is gorgeous, and the frame can be
>>>> ordered based on what bars you want to use. Also, let's see a pic of that
>>>> Road Standard! (I have an eternal weakness for original Rivs)
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Re: [RBW] Enable my bicycle buying issues!

[Keith Weaver]

Thanks Joe! You're right, the paint is pretty good, although there are some
decent-sized patches where it's gone that you can't see in that photo. I
made a rough attempt at color-matching, then gave up on that and covered
them with clear, just to keep rust out. A re-paint would really only be to
get the cream accents in place that to me are some of the highlights of the
Riv look.

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> Dude, the paint may not be 100% but that's a fine looking 24-year-old Riv!
> I'd ride it or sell it just like that, it doesn't need paint. In my opinion
> 
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Re: [RBW] Enable my bicycle buying issues!

[Keith Weaver]

I think the Riv Road should be about right for me as a road bike. It's a 54
cm frame, I don't have exact top tube and seat tube lengths right now. My
PBH is ~79 cm, I have had a 54 cm Romulus and a 54 cm Rambouillet in the
past, and they felt about right. I have it set up quite upright right now,
but it doesn't feel cramped. I haven't tried it with drop bars, I think it
should work well.

I'm going to NAHBS tomorrow, hope to be able to talk to the RIV staff there
about what would work for me and what would be the right size.

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 3:49 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Is the Riv Road sized for you as a dropbar bike? I've tried converting a
> couple that way (including an AHH) and it just doesn't work. Even with a
> 13cm stem the bars still create an almost vertical seating position, which
> makes the bike twitchy and cramped. I don't have advice on what you should
> keep or buy, but I suspect your problem with the Road is more than tires.
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[RBW] Enable my bicycle buying issues!

[Keith Weaver]

Hi all,
I've been feeling an itch for a new bicycle, or at least a frame to tinker
with, but I'm kind of stuck. A bit about the current stable: A Lynskey S
coupled Ti all-rounder, that will clear tires up to 42 mm. It has a carbon
disc brake fork, and cantilever rear brakes. This was intended as my
do-it-all, lifetime bike, but I neglected to account for my enjoyment of
bike buying and tinkering. A Surly Disc Trucker, for long, self-supported
tours. A full-suspension, 27.5 Scott mtb. A Bridgestone XO-3 with a Bafang
mid-drive motor kit retrofitted. Last, but not least, a circa ~1995 54 cm
Rivendell Road Standard that I bought as a frame and built up with
light-ish components and Albatross bars.

The Rivendell has never been that comfortable with the Albatross bars,
likely due to the Ruffy Tuffy tires. I think I haven't really enjoyed the
benefit of the Albatross bars, and they may work better for me on a bike
with bigger tires than the Road Standard can take.The other downside of it
is that the paint is kind of rough, and there are no cream accents. I've
been on the fence about where I go next. I could repaint the Road Standard,
and get the cream accents added. I could buy a used Rivendell bike/frame,
likely a Rambouillet. Or, I could buy a new Rivendell frame, likely an A.
Homer Hilsen. I'm a little concerned that the new Rivendells may be
heavier-built than I really need or want, given that I already have the
Disc Trucker. The Roadini may be a little more what O would want, but I'd
really like any new Riv I get to be fully lugged.

Short version: Should I re-paint my classic Road Standard frame, buy a used
Rambouillet frame, or buy a new A. Homer Hilsen frame?

Cheers,
Keith

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Re: [RBW] Re: Biking trip in CA?

[Keith Weaver]

I have to admit that I'm also an e-bike owner. I put a Bafang mid-drive
conversion kit on my XO-3. It's a lot of fun, and lets me do my 12-mile
(one-way) commute on days when high temps or high winds would otherwise
discourage me from riding.

If you have a frame/bike you already like, one of these kits can be a great
option. I'd recommend researching mid-drives vs hub motors, as each has
their pros and cons. I have noticed that the majority of new e-bikes I see
use mid-drives. A purpose-built e-bike will have the benefits of  cleaner
cabling and may be more secure in terms of reducing the chances of the
battery being stolen. But, you will pay a fair bit extra to get the good
quality component level you already have on his Rivendell.

Cheers,
Keith

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 4:35 PM dougP  wrote:

> Leah:
>
> This is February.  Imagine that bike path in the summer.  Add in kids out
> of school, headed to the water with surfboards, boogie boards, coolers,
> etc.  On weekends families use the bike path as a "staging area" for their
> beach camping gear.  Giant coolers, easy ups, tent things, grills, etc.
> They like to unload the car onto the bike path, then schlepp everything
> down to the sand.  :You had a great day, considering we've all been cooped
> up it-seems-forever by cold & rain.  Let the sun peak out for a few hours &
> we're out the door.
>
> BTW, if you do an Orange County trip in the future, Pedego has stores in
> Irvine & Newport.  The Irvine one is conveniently located on the San Diego
> Creek bike trail, which will take you down to the Newport Back Bay.
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 1:23:41 PM UTC-8, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>>
>> For some reason, I got Leah's full and exciting and happy report on my
>>> phone, but I only see the partial one here.  Leah--how lucky you can be if
>>> J is willing to ride with you, albeit on an ebike.  At least you'll be with
>>> you sweetie.  And, it sounds like it was such a great weekend for everyone,
>>> perhaps every three day weekend could be exploring a different area on two
>>> wheels!
>>>
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> Here is her full report:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM Leah Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We had the best time biking the Marvin Braude bike path on Saturday! The
>>> rains hammered Los Angeles on Friday night, but by morning it was clear
>>> skies and sunny, perfect for our purposes.
>>>
>>> I brought my 55 cm Betty Foy and my 12 year old boy brought his 45 Clem
>>> H. My husband loves a motorcycle and not so much a bicycle, so we rented
>>> him an e-bike, and because my other son is little and wouldn’t make the
>>> length of the trail, we got the TANDEM E-BIKE. Yes, I said tandem. We
>>> rented it from Pedego in Marina del Rey, and the owners would only charge
>>> us $50 instead of their normal $100 - such nice folks.
>>>
>>> We had the absolute best time. We pedaled through beach after beach,
>>> soaking up sun and smiling like idiots. We stopped to collect sea shells
>>> and watch the boys play in the waves. You couldn’t ask for prettier
>>> scenery, and the weather was nearly perfect. I refused to be parted from
>>> our Riv bikes, and though I had brought 4 u-locks for 2 bikes, I still
>>> pushed them through ankle-deep sand to the beach so I could keep them in
>>> sight. I’ve been told I’m embarrassing. Whatever.
>>>
>>> The path is supposed to be exclusively for cyclers (though there are
>>> some sections of it that are shared use), but we ended up sharing the bike
>>> path with e-scooters and runners and the occasional walker. I gotta say
>>> THAT was annoying. Finally a place for bikes, but we had interlopers to
>>> contend with. If you were going to break the rules and use the bike path as
>>> your jogging/walking/e-scootering path, wouldn’t you at least hug the edge
>>> and leave room for the bikes to go by? An astounding number of these folks
>>> couldn’t be bothered to let the bikes pass, and I watched cyclers ring
>>> their bells and sometimes it had no effect on the people using the bike
>>> lane illegally. They held their ground and the bikes were forced to wait
>>> until they could safely pass the pedestrians. Ugh. One or two did this to
>>> me, so I blasted both my bells at them. It was a small victory. We were
>>> wondering how many wrecks there are on the Marvin Braude - it’s wild out
>>> there. Add dogs and kids to the mix and you really have to have your wits
>>> about you. We had one skateboarder who kicked out too far and hit the rear
>>> wheel of the tandem, but she was fine. The Clem Rider and I had no trouble
>>> at all; the path was flat and made for easy biking - such a treat after the
>>> hills we are used to battling at home.
>>>
>>> I had a bad attitude about the e-bike initially. I wanted the Rivendell
>>> bikes in the photos, I’m a purist, and thus I was heavily prejudiced. But I
>>> kept it to myself. I will eat humble pie here, though, because that e-bike
>>> was really a good time. It kept my 

Re: [RBW] Re: Well done Cheviot marketing

[Keith Weaver]

Pancake,
I ran into you and a friend of yours on your Jamis in the area of Hawk Hill
on the Marin Headlands ride, in August of last year. I was on my
S Lynskey TI all-rounder. I wouldn't expect you to remember me,
I'm sure you get lots of folks giving you mad props on that sweet Riv.
Great to see you on here, nice bike!

Cheers,
Keith

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 7:43 AM Pancake  wrote:

> My friend gave me this orange Cheviot frame to build up on the condition
> that he gets to ride it whenever he’s in the SF Bay:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ysbxDok4Q3WsFPiH7
>
> Love the ride, color, hearts, and feel of the bike. I’ve got it setup for
> a front baby seat now with Bosco bars (more pics after a ride today).
>
> Good rides MOMs!
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Re: [RBW] Re: 3 Days of Riding in the Northern Sierras - Ride report

[Keith Weaver]

Collin,

That's a great write-up, I definitely would be interested in getting a
detailed route from you. I'm in Reno, and have been wondering how to get
some more touring in locally, preferably with less traffic.

I have a Surly Disc Trucker with panniers front (lowrider) and rear. I
currently have Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 26x1.6 tires (non-tubeless). I
don't know if the stock rims will work tubeless, I haven't tried or
researched the issue. Do you think that setup would work for the route you
did?

Cheers,
Keith

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rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Great trip and write up, Collin! Good call on the water. I’ve taken to
> bringing 5-6 28oz bottles, leaving 2-3 empty when I know the next water is
> reachable, otherwise I drink heavy at the source and load up. Fun and
> intreaguing way to do food. Amazing how much the epic opens up in just a
> short bikepacking trip navigating the new and unknown. Wondrous adventure!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Blue Rambouillet "complete"

[Keith Weaver]

Joe,
That's exactly the way I'm thinking about it. It feels like if I don't buy
it, I don't know when I'll have another chance to own one. I am rather
surprised to see that it likely won't take a tire wider than 33 mm. I
wonder how different it would feel from a new, 650B A. Homer Hilsen? That
would likely be the way I'd go if I were to buy a new Riv.

On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 12:00 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Keith: I think the way to look at this is from a 'can't get em anymore'
> perspective. If you were interested in a new Riv it would make sense to go
> strictly on need in the stable, but for something as rare as a
> 26-inch-wheel Ram, you gotta look at the chances you'll ever stumble on one
> again.
>
> That's how I ended up with the Hunqapillar I bought yesterday. I've
> recently been on a bikes-and-parts purge and definitely didn't *need* this,
> but they're out of production and not popping up used very often. We in Riv
> World tend to think these things are everywhere, but realistically the
> production numbers can't be very high. Now go buy that bike before I do!
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Blue Rambouillet "complete"

[Keith Weaver]

I'm thinking this would be a perfect fit for me, assuming it actually is a 52 
cm frame. I'm 5'6", with a 79 cm PBH. I'm a little torn about getting a 26" 
bike, but I get why Riv uses smaller wheels for smaller frames. 

I'm having a hard time justifying the purchase, because there's a lot of 
overlap between the Ram and my current bikes. I have an older Riv road 
standard, to cover the lugged steel Rivendell place in the stable. The problem 
with that bike is that I can't run tires larger than 28 mm. I got some great 
input on using supple tires with that bike, haven't tried that yet. I really 
want that spot to be filed with an Albatross barred bike, I don't know if the 
road standard will ever be great with those bars. One other issue with that 
bike is that it doesn't have any cream details, it's solid light blue. A great 
color, but I like the cream fills on the Ram. Then, I have an S coupled 
Lynskey Ti all-rounder, that can take up to 42 mm tires. The 3rd road bike in 
the garage is a 52 cm, 26" wheeled Surly Disc Trucker, that I only use for 
fully loaded touring. 

So, I guess I'm looking for input on whether I'd love this bike so much that I 
should give it a spot in my stable? It does feel like a good deal, given the 
stated condition. I'd have to drive a couple of hours to get it, but I think it 
would be worth the trip. 

Cheers,
Keith

> On Nov 17, 2018, at 5:02 PM, Lum Gim Fong  wrote:
> 
> Ah-ha!
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] FS - Mustard yellow Clem Smith Jr - 52 H

[Keith Weaver]

I saw this listing a while back and while it's not quite the right bike for
me, I just had to say hey to a fellow Ellensburger! I don't live there any
more, but my parents do. I'll be visiting next week for Turkey Day, I love
coming back to the Kittitas Valley. Best of luck in your sale, it's a
beautiful bike.

Cheers,
Keith

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 8:09 AM Nels Sorenson 
wrote:

> Any interest in a nice Mustard Clem Smith Jr located in the NW?  I’m
> riding my Roadini much more and need to thin the herd.
> Link to CL:
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/rivendell-clem-smith-jr/6734655375.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Blue Rambouillet "complete"

[Keith Weaver]

The craigslist post says the frame size is 54 cm. Is that not correct? I
have a 79 cm PBH, I would assume the 52 cm size would be better for me than
a 54 cm. I don't need another bike, but I have been looking at this one,
it's pretty sweet.

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> by the way, the bike was about $2,200 new, set up this way, so it's a
> super price for a very clean bike.
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[RBW] FS: 50cm A Homer Hilsen

[Keith Weaver]

Sighted, a red 50 cm A. Homer Hilsen, for sale in the east Bay Area.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/rivendell-l2010-homer-hilson/6742038832.html
.

I'm definitely liking this, but having a hard time justifying yet another
bike. I especially like the Phil Wood hubs and Chris King headset. I have a
79 cm PBH, so it looks like this would be just about right for me. $1800
seems a bit steep, I'd probably prefer to build one up from a frame.

If anyone has a Rambouillet, Romulus, or A. Homer Hilsen frameset in my
size, it's possible I could be tempted into an impulse purchase...

Cheers,
Keith

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Re: [RBW] 650B conversion for my Road Standard?

[Keith Weaver]

The Compass ELs do sound like a good option, and I really don't want to
have to give up these brakes and buy new wheels. How much Orange Seal would
be recommended? I'm guessing around one ounce per tube?

Thanks for the generous offers to test some 650B wheels, unfortunately it's
a long haul from Reno, I don't think that's going to work for me.

I do have a Velo Orange sprung saddle on another bike (Bridgestone XO-3), I
could test whether I feel any benefit using that saddle. I will say I
haven't felt it doing much on my XO-3 to soak up the bumps, maybe I just
can't tell.

Regarding the bar height, I think that photo makes it look a little more
extreme than it actually is, but I'll try dropping them a bit to test the
impact.

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 11:18 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Compass ELs with Orange Seal in tubes (and sufficient air pressure) are a
> very workable goathead-country combination. I'd say that the tire savers
> would be largely cosmetic if you have the sealant, and in fact -- haven't
> tested this, but observations over the years may indicate it -- having the
> little thorns stay in the casing a while before being flicked off may
> actually help with the sealant's efficacy. But I still have a stash of the
> tire savers myself, though none installed.
>
> I've never done a 650B conversion, but I'd question whether an early Riv
> Road is the best platform: more bb drop, insufficient room for the fatter
> 584 bsd tires (can the original Riv Roads take 650B X 42?), the ride
> quality of the original as it was intended to be built up; and lastly, the
> availability of Compass EL tires in the 700C width that will fit your
> frame. My roads were built for 26" wheels and can take 32s and fenders, but
> I find the actual-width 28 mm Elk Pass tire all I need in the way of speed
> and comfort for road riding (these are labeled 32 and measure 27 and 29 on
> my 19 and 21 mm rims, respectively) and even firm dirt and gravel.
>
> And, oh man, get that bar lower! I'll bet your back and backside both will
> thank you for a bit of torso angle!
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 12:08 PM Keith Weaver 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the great replies, keep them coming! I hadn't considered a
>> tire swap, but I have looked at the Compass tires section, that may be a
>> good option. I'm in Reno, definitely goathead country. I'd probably get the
>> Chinook Pass 28 mm tires with the extralight casing, and consider adding a
>> bit of sealant to my tubes, and maybe even the tire wipers. My dad had
>> those on his Peugeot PX-10, I do think they'd add a bit of retro flair, if
>> nothing else.
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[RBW] 650B conversion for my Road Standard?

[Keith Weaver]

I found a Riv Road Standard frame on the SF Bay Area Craigslist 3 or 4 years 
ago, and found myself compelled to pick it up. I had seen on the Riv website 
Grant describing the Albatross bar, and saying if you don't have a bike with 
these bars, you need one. I didn't really need another road bike, so I decided 
to build this up as my Albatross bar bike

I built the bike fairly light, Albatross bars with cork grips and Silver bar 
end shifters, Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes, VO 50.4 BCD cranks, Velocity 
Synergy O/C wheels from Peter White, 28 mm Ruffy Tuffy tires, Campy Record 
front derailleur, Deore XT rear, wide range 10 speed cassette, Nitto stem and 
seatpost, Riv gripster pedals, Sella Anatomica saddle. I love the way this bike 
looks, sorry I don't have an easy way to link to a pic right now

My problem is that the narrow (for a Riv) tires are transmitting a lot of road 
shock to me, especially because I'm sitting upright with these bars. It feels 
nicely light and responsive, just a bit rough. I tried to put Jack Brown 33.3 
mm tires on and found they didn't fit at all in the rear, it immediately rubbed 
on the chain stays. I didn't even try the front, although the clearance looks a 
little better. I don't know if a 30 mm tire would feel much different than the 
ruffy tuffys.

I'm hesitant to move to 650B, mostly because I like these parts, especially the 
new wheels and the VO brakes. I'm guessing the brakes wouldn't work for 650B, 
as they're listed as 47-57 mm reach. I have the pads at the top of the slot now 
with the 700c rims, but it sounds like the reach would change by more than 10 
mm when going to 650B. 

Can anyone give me some input on whether I'll love this bike with 650B and the 
Albatross bars, or should I just put drops on it and look for another frame to 
be my upright bike?

Thanks in advance,
Keith

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