[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Caliper vs Canti

[Nathan Mattia]

My 51 cm 650b w the Tektro side-pulls runs the 41-ish Fatty Rumpkins right 
now. 

I am curious if the Paul Racers would allow me to go bigger as well. 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 11:14:36 AM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ve had the 48 file tread without issue. I’ve seen people run the 48 
> knobbies on side pull Sams as well. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 8:23:48 AM UTC-7 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>
>> @brenton were the RH slicks or knobby?
>>
>> On Friday, April 19, 2024 at 9:37:12 PM UTC-4 Brenton Eastman wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely would need to know your frame/wheel size. My 57cm Sam with 
>>> tektro side pulls and 700c Velocity Dyad hoops clears a 47 teravail, 48 
>>> Rene herse, and 50 gravel king. Not sure how much bigger you’d need. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 13, 2024 at 11:36:44 PM UTC-7 bcu...@cullensfoods.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Would also love to know this exact question! Did you ever find out? 

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:08:59 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> How much more tire and fender clearance does the Canti version have 
> compared to say a Paul Racer side pull ? 



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[RBW] Re: WTB- Nitto 32r Rack

[Nathan Mattia]

Still Looking!!

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 2:53:12 PM UTC-6 Nathan Mattia wrote:

> I had the bigger 33r on my Sam Hillborne for a couple of years before 
> realizing a 650b bike is probably better suited to the 32r.
>
> Anyone have one of these for sale?
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Blue Paul Racers and a Large Silver or Gray Trunk Sack

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello Riv Riders!

Like so many specialized parts these days, I find myself in need of a 
couple that are supposedly still made, but that I can’t find through the 
normal channels.  

1.  My 2017-Era Orange Caliper-Sam is trimmed out in blue whenever I can. 
 Since I need a brake upgrade, I thought I would go big and go for the Blue 
Paul Racers.  The home-office is out of them right now.  Anybody out there 
got a pair for sale?

2.  Still looking for a Large Gray or Silver Trunk Sack for my Miyata 1000.

LET ME KNOW!!
-Nathan Mattia

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[RBW] WTB- Nitto 32r Rack

[Nathan Mattia]

I had the bigger 33r on my Sam Hillborne for a couple of years before 
realizing a 650b bike is probably better suited to the 32r.

Anyone have one of these for sale?

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[RBW] WTB: Large Trunksack and/or BackaBikes in Grey or Silver

[Nathan Mattia]

Hey There, Riv Riders
I am loving my Blue Trunksack on my Sam Hillborne.

I'd like to add a Large Silver or Grey Trunksack OR a set of BackaBike 
Panniers to my 87 Miyata 1000LT setup.  

Anybody out there want to sell some?

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[RBW] WTB: Large TrunkSack in Grey or Silver

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello there Riv-Riders!.  
My Samwise Hillborne loves his Blue Trunksack
AND, My Miyata 1000LT is purty, but it needs some bags.  
I'd like to get a Large Trunk Sack in Grey or Silver, and possibly a couple 
of Backabike panniers as well.
Anyone have any out there for sale?

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[RBW] Re: FS: 51cm Orange Sam Hillborne

[Nathan Mattia]

Price reduced to $1,950, plus shipping. 

On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 4:51:02 PM UTC-5 Nathan Mattia wrote:

> Hello Good Rivendellers.
> The day has come and the need has arisen for me to sell my beloved Samwise 
> Hillborne.
>
> Here's the Flickr Link for current Pics.
> https://flic.kr/ps/3Mvw47
>
> He's a Beauty of a Bike, and everything that was advertised.
> Selling for $2, 100. plus Bikeflights for shipping, which has amounted to 
> about $150 in the past when handled by my LBS.
>
> Here are some specs of the build
>
> -51cm frame, perfect for my 80 pbh.  This version of the Sam was made 
> circa 2016-2017.
> -Nitto Front Rack-either Marks or similar.
> -Wald 37 basket
> -Dynamo hub up front, laced to 650b Wheels.
> -Arya Velocity wheels built by my LBS, Cursed Bikes in University City, MO
> -Busch and Mueller IQ-X front headlamp 
> -Monarch pedals
> -tektro R559 Caliper breaks
> -Tires are Fatty Rumpkin Green 41s
> -Brooks B-67 Springs Saddle in Honey Brown
> -Standard Rib Silver 2-ring Cranks
> -Albatross Bars
> -Shimano Claris Front Derailleur
> -Shimano Deore XT Rear Derailleur
> -Busch and Mueller IQ-X front headlamp 
>
> A bit of beusage from local rides.  Small scratches.  No dents.
> Less than 500 miles on the entire setup.
>
> Please PM me for inquiries, and THANKS!!
>

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[RBW] FS: 51cm Orange Sam Hillborne

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello Good Rivendellers.
The day has come and the need has arisen for me to sell my beloved Samwise 
Hillborne.

Here's the Flickr Link for current Pics.
https://flic.kr/ps/3Mvw47

He's a Beauty of a Bike, and everything that was advertised.
Selling for $2, 100. plus Bikeflights for shipping, which has amounted to 
about $150 in the past when handled by my LBS.

Here are some specs of the build

-51cm frame, perfect for my 80 pbh.  This version of the Sam was made circa 
2016-2017.
-Nitto Front Rack-either Marks or similar.
-Wald 37 basket
-Dynamo hub up front, laced to 650b Wheels.
-Arya Velocity wheels built by my LBS, Cursed Bikes in University City, MO
-Busch and Mueller IQ-X front headlamp 
-Monarch pedals
-tektro R559 Caliper breaks
-Tires are Fatty Rumpkin Green 41s
-Brooks B-67 Springs Saddle in Honey Brown
-Standard Rib Silver 2-ring Cranks
-Albatross Bars
-Shimano Claris Front Derailleur
-Shimano Deore XT Rear Derailleur
-Busch and Mueller IQ-X front headlamp 

A bit of beusage from local rides.  Small scratches.  No dents.
Less than 500 miles on the entire setup.

Please PM me for inquiries, and THANKS!!

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[RBW] WTB.: Large TrunkSack

[Nathan Mattia]

Looking to buy a Large Trunksack. 
Grey or Green or Silver preferred. 
Please message me. 
Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Off topic but perhaps permissible ....??? Pipes

[Nathan Mattia]

I’m your man, Patrick. Glad you remember the blog. Pm sent. 

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:06:44 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Technically, Patrick, steel tubing is pipe so I think you're well within 
> the permissible limits of RBW Owners Bunch.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 3:48:19 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Riv content: Deacon Patrick was big on pipes, and a listmember used to 
>> have a "Pipes and Leather" blog. And I bet Grant smokes a pipe.
>>
>> If anyone knows something about good pipes and good unscented Virginia 
>> tobacco, will that person contact me offlist at bertin753 [at] geemale dot 
>> com?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Did I see one of you on a Mermaid Platypus riding around Forest Park in St. Louis this afternoon?

[Nathan Mattia]

I was on my Miyata 1000 today in Forest Park, and someone rode by me 
quickly on a Mermaid-green Mixte that might have been a Platypus.

Was it you?

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Re: [RBW] WTB Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, preferably 26.0 and 100mm

[Nathan Mattia]

Deal secured.  Thanks, everyone!


On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 4:35:22 PM UTC-5 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I have 10 cm one I'd probably sell.  It was on my Sam Hillborne and has 
> lots of miles on it, but I am switching to the faceplate ecosystem.  With 
> that said, it's going to be a PITA to disassemble.
>
> On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 4:25:16 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Ben's is always good for some Nitto goods others may not have. Last one, 
>> 90mm quill, 100mm ext, 26.0 bar. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-dirt-drop---mt-10---riser-quill-stem-stem_nitto_mt-10_870/p?skuId=673274
>>
>> On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 5:18:41 PM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> Paul, there is one on ebay ending tomorrow 
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/165650675210
>>> Steve
>>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 4:51 PM Nathan Mattia  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello everyone.  
>>>> I'm in the market for a Nitto Dirt Drop Stem to put on my new Miata 
>>>> 1000.  
>>>> They seem to be pretty rare with the 26.0 clamp.
>>>>
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>>>
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[RBW] WTB Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, preferably 26.0 and 100mm

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello everyone.  
I'm in the market for a Nitto Dirt Drop Stem to put on my new Miata 1000.  
They seem to be pretty rare with the 26.0 clamp.

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[RBW] Re: Best all-around useful saddlebag?

[Nathan Mattia]

Check out ReLoad bags out of Philadelphia.  
They hand make all their bags with total customization, for a good price 
too.  
I have their bag made just for the Wald 137 that is AWESOME. *DeLuxe Waldo 
Basket Bag.  *
$129 and really, really cool. Fits like a glove and super handy.

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:43:19 PM UTC-5 Chris K wrote:

> Good stuff. Thanks, all! I did in fact I did get a new bike and haven't 
> yet bought a bag! It will complement the bag nicely :)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:52:04 AM UTC-6 alexander...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Recently got a Buffalo Bags Big Buffalo- haven't had a chance to use it 
>> much but its huge and seems well made. 
>>
>> I've also been using a Realm Wald basket bag for a while. I have the 
>> smaller version and it can fit a ton. Not sure if you have a bag for your 
>> basket already but it definitely expands the capacity. I know people have 
>> done shorter tours with their basket bags and a few other small bags
>>
>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 7:45:53 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Just now seeing this thread, so I thought I would share some thoughts. 
>>> After trying several of the more common brands you see most folks using 
>>> these days, here's my ranking on experience:
>>>
>>> Carradice Nelson longflap - I bought this direct from the UK (cheaper) 
>>> after using a "zipped roll" for over a decade. I also bought a QR Bagman 
>>> support because I ride smaller bikes (54 cm range) and don't have a lot of 
>>> space between my saddle and rear tire. The Nelson has a good deal of room 
>>> and I find myself using the extra flap quite a bit on overnights. I added a 
>>> thin sheet of poly material to the interior to give it some internal 
>>> stiffening because I don't like floppy bags. The price, reputation, and 
>>> classic styling of these Carradice bags makes them a good choice, but my 
>>> main sticking point for daily use is the dang leather straps and metal 
>>> buckles. I know it's part of the classic charm but I find them annoyingly 
>>> fiddly and am always wishing for the ease of plastic clip buckles and nylon 
>>> webbing.
>>>
>>> Fabio's Chest - I have a small waxed canvas version, and it's a very 
>>> handsome, well-made bag. Even the small is more than enough for my 
>>> bikepacking needs for overnights or multi-day trips (although I'm always 
>>> running front AND rear bags when bikepacking). The roll-top combined with a 
>>> long-flap feature is perfect for over-stuffing and still keeping your stuff 
>>> dry and secure. The side pockets are huge, and I love the ability to close 
>>> them simply with the velcro tabs OR a nylon buckle if you so choose. The 
>>> small size also works well as a basket bag when paired with a Wald 137. My 
>>> only critique of the Fab's Chest is I wish it had an internal dowel for 
>>> rigidity like the Carradice and BxB offerings. The thin plastic strip sewn 
>>> into the mounting area is similar to that of the Swift Zeitgeist, but I 
>>> think these bags are better served with more robust "framework" for 
>>> stability. When used as a saddlebag, I support it with a Nitto R14 rear 
>>> rack.
>>>
>>> BxB Goldback (SM) - Far and away the best all-around saddlebag I've 
>>> found. Jay's designs combine all the best elements of the above mentioned 
>>> bags, and they are the best designed and built bags I've used. I currently 
>>> own the Goldback, the Teardrop handlebar bag (no longer in production) and 
>>> a Better Half frame bag. Size-wise, it fits somewhere between a Zeitgeist 
>>> and the Carradice Nelson. It combines the drawstring cinch interior of the 
>>> Carradice with a longflap that is designed to wrap over the top edge, 
>>> keeping the elements out even when stuffed full (something I can't say for 
>>> the Nelson). Mine came with both an interior and an exterior dowel, and 
>>> Jay's ample use of daisy-chain loops on the underside and backside of the 
>>> bag really let you tailor the fit to your bike setup. What the BxB bags 
>>> seem to excel at is in the rock-solidness of them. Whereas my other bags 
>>> tend to shift and flop around a bit on rough terrain, all of my BxB bags 
>>> just stay solid no matter the load. I'm really not sure what accounts for 
>>> this because they share many of the same mounting features as the other 
>>> two, but Jay's bags just ride so much better than the others. I can use my 
>>> Goldback with the Carradice Bagman support, or supported by the R14 rack 
>>> depending on how much load I need to weigh it down with.
>>>
>>> Hope this info helps!
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:47:00 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I respect your decision to buy a new bike for your upcoming new bag 

 On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 5:50:38 PM UTC-7 Chris K wrote:

> Wanted to say a quick thank you for all of these really helpful 
> replies. Being my first post, it didn't appear for several days and I 

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB or TRADE for Albastache Bar

[Nathan Mattia]

Hey Sean
I have a trade in the works, but I’ll let you know if it falls through. 

I’ll have to check on the size. Sorry. 

-Nathan Mattia

“I saw a tiger. Now I understand. I saw a tiger and the tiger saw a man.”

> On Aug 19, 2022, at 2:37 PM, s...@austin.utexas.edu wrote:
> 
> Hi Nathan,
> 
> I have an Albstache bar. What size is the Jones bar?
> 
> Sean
> 
>> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 11:46:32 AM UTC-5 Nathan Mattia wrote:
>> Hello.
>> Looking for an Albastache bar to set up on my new-to-me '87 Miyata 100LT
>> 
>> I have a Jones Bar SG 2.5 Loop in Silver Aluminum, still in the packaging 
>> (its a riser model) that I would trade.
>> 
>> Also have an aluminum Albatross bar I would trade.
>> 
>> OR I could buy outright from you.
>> 
>> Thanks!
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[RBW] WTB or TRADE for Albastache Bar

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello.
*Looking for an Albastache bar to set up on my new-to-me '87 Miyata 100LT*

I have a Jones Bar SG 2.5 Loop in Silver Aluminum, still in the packaging 
(its a riser model) that I would trade.

Also have an aluminum Albatross bar I would trade.

OR I could buy outright from you.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: FS 56 Toyo Atlantis and a few other items

[Nathan Mattia]

PM sent

On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 1:43:43 PM UTC-5 Andrew Huston wrote:

> Atlantis is sold. All others still available. Thanks!
>
> On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 3:10:31 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>
>> So no bites, I am not interested to keep this bike. Lets do $1800 plus 
>> shipping. 
>>
>> On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 6:47:03 PM UTC-4 Andrew Huston wrote:
>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Hi & Questions...

[Nathan Mattia]

Yeah, but Grant would tell you something like “ a skilled rider on a Sam could 
handle the trails“ you showed.  The frames are stout enough, and the Joe 
definitely is. 
It’s all about big enough tires and enough stopping power and you can do that 
with the Joe. 

It’s “touring” like how the 1983 Specialized Expedition is basically a mountain 
bike frame (just some different geometry specs) , but was built with smaller 
tire clearances so I can’t take it off road. The difference is, with the Joe, 
the clearances are such that you can. They’re just not super-huge like with the 
Gus. 

It’s only “road touring” as they try to define differences between that and 
their “hillibikes”. 

-Nathan Mattia

“I saw a tiger. Now I understand. I saw a tiger and the tiger saw a man.”

> On Dec 26, 2020, at 9:52 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
> 
> But to quote their own website  "Appaloosa - Road touring bike with long, 
> stable geometry"
> 
>> On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Nathan Mattia wrote:
>> Ok, with those trails the Joe might do you better than the Sam. 
>> You’ll just have to figure out the best stem combo for your drops. 
>> 
>> -Nathan Mattia
>> 
>> “I saw a tiger. Now I understand. I saw a tiger and the tiger saw a man.”
>> 
>>>> On Dec 26, 2020, at 8:47 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> Still chewing on this cud! When I spoke to Riv they recommended the 
>>> Appaloosa too, however isn't that more touring orientated (per Riv's own 
>>> website)? Forgive the stock photos but these are the actual trails I will 
>>> be riding in addition to the A roads thru farm tracks. 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> <5-of-the-Best-Wild-Mountain-Bike-Rides-in-Scotland-1.jpg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:34:11 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>> Welcome to the group, Philip!
>>>> 
>>>> Before I got my Appaloosa, I rode a 1985 Stumpjumper. The Stumpjumper was 
>>>> the modern, big-boy version of my old Schwinn and rode like a sports 
>>>> car--it was wonderfully responsive and nimble, and was perfect for someone 
>>>> with a spirited style of riding, but as I got older I realized my riding 
>>>> style had changed.
>>>> 
>>>> When I began researching bikes, I test-drove the Atlantis, the A. Homer 
>>>> Hilsen, the Sam Hillborne, and the Appaloosa. The AHH and the Sam had a 
>>>> light "road-and-town" country feel, while the Appaloosa and Atlantis felt 
>>>> like heavier cruiser/touring bikes. I bought an Atlantis frame for a 
>>>> build, but then I found a complete ride-ready Appaloosa so I sold the 
>>>> Stumpjumper and the Atlantis.
>>>> 
>>>> I didn't fully appreciate the Appaloosa's design until I rode it 
>>>> immediately after riding the Stumpjumper--of the two, I much prefer the 
>>>> Appaloosa's cruiser-like ride to the Stumpjumper's dirt-bike quickness. 
>>>> The Appaloosa's ride is perfect for my nearly-upright style of running 
>>>> errands, and long-distance rides on roads and dirt. I'm also tall, with 
>>>> long legs, so the Appaloosa's longer wheelbase and lower center of gravity 
>>>> are welcome upgrades from the sporty bikes I rode in my younger days.
>>>> 
>>>> Ultimately I think you'll be happy with the Appaloosa, AHH, Sam, or 
>>>> Atlantis for the rides you're describing. Please keep us posted, and send 
>>>> photos--the west coast of Scotland sounds like a fantastic trip!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson bike 
>>>>> already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
>>>>> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is 
>>>>> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & 
>>>>> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I 
>>>>> like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most 
>>>>> comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist 
>>>>> bikepacking overnights.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam Hillborne 
>>>>> or Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also 
>>>>> recommended t

Re: [RBW] Hi & Questions...

[Nathan Mattia]

Ok, with those trails the Joe might do you better than the Sam. 
You’ll just have to figure out the best stem combo for your drops. 

-Nathan Mattia

“I saw a tiger. Now I understand. I saw a tiger and the tiger saw a man.”

> On Dec 26, 2020, at 8:47 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
> 
> Still chewing on this cud! When I spoke to Riv they recommended the 
> Appaloosa too, however isn't that more touring orientated (per Riv's own 
> website)? Forgive the stock photos but these are the actual trails I will be 
> riding in addition to the A roads thru farm tracks. 
> 
> 
> <5-of-the-Best-Wild-Mountain-Bike-Rides-in-Scotland-1.jpg>
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:34:11 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:
>> Welcome to the group, Philip!
>> 
>> Before I got my Appaloosa, I rode a 1985 Stumpjumper. The Stumpjumper was 
>> the modern, big-boy version of my old Schwinn and rode like a sports car--it 
>> was wonderfully responsive and nimble, and was perfect for someone with a 
>> spirited style of riding, but as I got older I realized my riding style had 
>> changed.
>> 
>> When I began researching bikes, I test-drove the Atlantis, the A. Homer 
>> Hilsen, the Sam Hillborne, and the Appaloosa. The AHH and the Sam had a 
>> light "road-and-town" country feel, while the Appaloosa and Atlantis felt 
>> like heavier cruiser/touring bikes. I bought an Atlantis frame for a build, 
>> but then I found a complete ride-ready Appaloosa so I sold the Stumpjumper 
>> and the Atlantis.
>> 
>> I didn't fully appreciate the Appaloosa's design until I rode it immediately 
>> after riding the Stumpjumper--of the two, I much prefer the Appaloosa's 
>> cruiser-like ride to the Stumpjumper's dirt-bike quickness. The Appaloosa's 
>> ride is perfect for my nearly-upright style of running errands, and 
>> long-distance rides on roads and dirt. I'm also tall, with long legs, so the 
>> Appaloosa's longer wheelbase and lower center of gravity are welcome 
>> upgrades from the sporty bikes I rode in my younger days.
>> 
>> Ultimately I think you'll be happy with the Appaloosa, AHH, Sam, or Atlantis 
>> for the rides you're describing. Please keep us posted, and send photos--the 
>> west coast of Scotland sounds like a fantastic trip!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson bike 
>>> already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
>>> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is 
>>> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & 
>>> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I 
>>> like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most 
>>> comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist bikepacking 
>>> overnights.
>>> 
>>> From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam Hillborne or 
>>> Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also recommended 
>>> the Appaloosa.
>>> 
>>> I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them & 
>>> thanks in advance for any advice you can give.
>>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 19-year old Riv

[Nathan Mattia]

DANG, what a nice looking bike!
It’s the Christmas Bike!  God Bless Us, Everyone!
On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 4:55:07 AM UTC-6 James Valiensi wrote:

> Hi,
> The RH instructions tell you to install the cranks dry. Which I did. This 
> goes against my normal method. So, in the end I greased the spindle and 
> bolt and tightened it all down. So, far so it has held up. 
> My BB is a cheap Shimano. Perhaps the SKS BB has a better fit.
>
> On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:54 PM, jack loudon  wrote:
>
> Patrick: "Have others had James's problem with RH cranks loosening? If so, 
> I shall resolutely avoid buying one." 
>
> There was a thread about RH cranks coming loose a few months back, and 
> mine are among a few that have had that issue. It happened more in the 
> beginning and decreased in frequency over time (mine are near 3 years 
> old).  I got in the habit of checking the tightness at least once a week.  
> I use socket hex bolts instead of the supplied crank bolts, so carry a 
> small hex key instead of a big PB wrench.  I finally installed 
> self-extractor caps over the bolts (suggested by Mark Bulgier?) which act 
> as locknuts and seem to have solved the problem.   Like James, I've 
> installed many cranksets in the past and the bolts have always stayed 
> tight.  I'm not sure what the problem is with these cranks, but my guess is 
> an imperfect fit with the BB spindle (mine is a Phil, JIS taper).I 
> still  like them but for $455 they shouldn't have any issues.
>
> Jack - Seattle
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 4:55:40 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I believe you. I wonder if your instance was a production outlier.
>>
>> Have others had James's problem with RH cranks loosening? If so, I shall 
>> resolutely avoid buying one.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 1:48 PM James Valiensi  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick,
>>> I’ve mounted hundreds of tapered-square bottom brackets, only one came 
>>> loose and that was because I didn’t tighten it enough. 
>>> This one required much more tightening force than any other one I’ve 
>>> dealt with before (Campy, Shimano, TA, Sugino to mention a few I’ve worked 
>>> on). 
>>> My RH crank came loose about 4 times, I started to carry a wrench after 
>>> the 2nd time. Finally, I figured I had nothing left to lose and put the 
>>> breaker bar to it. It’s been good for a few thousand miles since.
>>>
>>> I’d love to have another on for my Joe Appaloosa. Maybe one day I’ll 
>>> pony up for another (pardon the pun). I would not recommend against it.  
>>>
>>> On Dec 18, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> James's report on the RH crank surprised me, since I have thought that I 
>>> might one day buy one. But this report of loosening does not make me 
>>> confident.
>>>
>>> Have others had the same experience with loosening?
>>>
>>> Note: I am aware how hard it is to get a response from RH "customer 
>>> service." My method to force things is to post an indignant message of 
>>> complaint on the iBoblist, which seems somehow to chivvy the inert little 
>>> gnomes of service into immediate, ingratiating action. Try it at home.
>>>
>>> But back to RH cranks: do they loosen more than, say XD2s and Pro 5 
>>> Vises? I don't think I've had 1 crank out of scores if not hundreds come 
>>> loose, except for very cheap Indian-made cottered ones that I probably 
>>> installed with the wrong-sized cotter pin, and that was 50 years ago.
>>>
>>> I certainly am not doubting James's experience, but I'd like to know 
>>> others'.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Valiensi  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the kind words.
 The Rene Herse crankset was on my list of most wanted parts for many 
 years before I pulled the trigger.
 It gave me a bunch of grief. It came loose several times. It wasn’t the 
 1st time I mounted a taper spindle crank set. I’ve done hundreds of times. 
 The only time one came loose for me, was the very first time I did it. I 
 couldn’t believe this one. I ended up using a breaker bar to tighten it 
 down.
 This was the end of my desire to send Jan Hein any more money. He has 
 absolutely no customer service. No phone number listed, no responses to 
 multiple emails, no help or support. He has all my contact info but 
 refuses 
 to give his out. He has nice parts, too bad they are not sold by better 
 people.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hi & Questions...

[Nathan Mattia]

Greetings, Phillip!
Your lone picture turns me green with envy.  I s want to visit my 
Mother Land on my Mother’s side, and hopefully ride there too.

I would have to agree with Ed and say that a Sam Hillborne is just the 
thing.  I have a 51cm with 650b Fatty Rumpkin tires and it’s a fantastic 
ride.
Here’s a build post about my Samwise Hillborne from my blog 


If you want footage of someone taking a Sam on rougher terrain, check out 
these vids from PathLessPedaled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRUo74yqz6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii0I6PY0cvo
And this one’s even about what bars make more sense on the Sam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-yyNxJcF5M

Cheers, and I sincerely hope to see you on the trails one day!
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 9:18:56 AM UTC-6 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks all, I'm certainly very comfortable on a drop bar bike albeit I 
> spend about 90% of the time on the hoods. Many years & pounds ago I used to 
> indulge in a little road racing & currently both my bikes are really set up 
> too low (pure road machine is a CIOCC) for my aging body and part of this 
> build will be to get everything more on the level as it were. Grant's "Just 
> Ride" has been very helpful in this.
>
> I've been guilty too of ignoring market segments, no one told me at 12 
> years old that I couldn't ride my hand me down, "girl's frame" bike in the 
> dirt & when the forks collapsed I took the legs from an old lawn lounger, 
> beat the ends flat & drilled & clamped them to the axle & stem! Point 
> being, that the industry has done a great job of convincing people that 
> it's well nigh impossible to ride X terrain if you don't have Y gear. Once 
> again, Grant & I see eye to eye on this one, hence my reason for being 
> here. The way I see it, some people buy equipment to ride & some people 
> ride so they can buy equipment! Both are perfectly OK but it seems like 
> most here are of the former group.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:09:54 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Phillip, welcome to the group. I love to hear and see what others ride in 
>> their locations, you've certainly got a new perspective for us from 
>> Scotland. The climate well responsible for my trusty Hilltrek anorak, my 
>> grail late fall, winter and early spring shell. Your work and locations 
>> remind me of an old movie, Local Hero, starring Peter Riegert, Burt 
>> Lancaster and a Mark Knopfler soundtrack.
>>
>> Your mention of the Kona Sutra ULTD makes a nice point which is that a 
>> drop bar bike can really go deeper into the woods and wilds than imagined. 
>> A short stem is a part of it as long as the rest of the geometry and fit 
>> allows that bar position to be natural. Riding on the hoods if fit such as 
>> that bears a very similar arm position benefit to riding a flat bar with 
>> bar end grips. Back in the day my MTB trail riding and climbing in the 
>> Ozarks was improved by the 90° outward rotation of my gripping hands using 
>> those. Hoods on drop bars produce that relaxes my arm muscles (from 
>> pronation toward supination), reducing the angle of my elbow (flexion) and 
>> madeit easier to get back over the rear wheel. 
>>
>> I was always an underbiker, riding my RB-1 on fire roads and smooth 
>> paths, my XO-2 on the trails and my Rivendell Rambouillet across the 
>> country.The old skills remain in muscle memory and I continue to ride bikes 
>> a bit beyond their market segment intention!
>> [image: 8DDD96C2-D7D2-4805-81DE-5DF826EE136B_1_105_c.jpeg]
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually I've ridden Big Bend & across the border into Baja & Nuevo Leon 
>>> many times! Mostly on dirt motorcycles but also some MTB stuff, I love the 
>>> desert too. I live full time on Dallas (my job is US based) & we're 
>>> commuting back & forward (well pre-COVID that was the plan at least) as we 
>>> build a house on Skye. Provided you can stand wind & rain, there's 
>>> tremendous riding in the Highlands & Islands all within easy reach, the 
>>> roads get busy with RVs & buses in the summer but the rest of the time it's 
>>> you & the wee ewes. Look on YouTube for cycling the Northwest 500, the 
>>> Hebridean Way (a short ferry ride from us) or the West Highland Way, 
>>> guarantee you'll be packing your bags!
>>>
>>> Since my goal is to ride to the trails, then ride the actual trails I'm 
>>> actually starting to think that I may need something a little more off-road 
>>> focused than the Rivendell's though? The Kona Sutra ULTD looks like an 
>>> interesting candidate with relaxed geometry & good 'ol steel bones. Of 
>>> course, nothing like the exquisite build or the great story of the Rivs...
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:08:20 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I can't give you much help in 

[RBW] Fs Large woolly warm sweater vest from Riv sale earlier this year $75, shipped. Never worn.

[Nathan Mattia]

I tried it on and it’s not for me. 
Tags still on it. One small snag, but I don’t know from whence it came. 
Size: Large

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[RBW] Re: Comparing Rivendell Bikes to the old Bridgestones: Has anyone here experienced both a Rambouillet and an RB-T?

[Nathan Mattia]

Matt--That's an interesting theory about the smaller frames not flexing as 
much.  It's kind of what I figured.  I took the RB-T out this morning for 
20 minutes and man, it just cycles up to speed so quickly for me compared 
to my 650b Sam with Fatty Rumpkins.

Bruce--Good to hear from someone who has ridden both!!  I had always 
assumed the Ram was a level TT but looking at the pics with that in mind, I 
see it now, though it is not nearly as pronounced as my generation of 
Hillborne.  

I also hadn't taken into account the rear spacing differences and what that 
means for tire choices.

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 6:48:08 AM UTC-6 Fullylugged wrote:

> Considering that the same person designed the RB-T and the Rambouillet 
> within a few years of each other and they were both Japanese production, 
> similarities in some respects are to be expected. Ram has a sloped TT, and 
> uses heat treated material for the downtube and chainstays while the RB-T 
> does not. The Ram feels stiffer but not unpleasantly so.  The differences 
> in HT angle are enough to notice in handling characteristics. Ram is a 
> neutral steerer that tracks though turns like it is on rails. Ram has 132.5 
> OLD to accept either road or mountain hubs. It can be set up with road 
> wheels and 25mm Contis for a fast club ride, or CX wheels with 1 1/2" 
> Paselas for Townie, cruiser, or country road riding. It does both well.  I 
> ride mustache bars on mine and like them when canted for comfortable grip 
> although in the past the bike had Nitto Noodles.  The RB-T is more roadish, 
> sharper cornering, and at 126 OLD, intended for freewheel equipment. It's 
> easy to spread the stays and pop a 130 road hub in there.  I found that I 
> wasn't riding my Bridgestone much compared to the Ram so I sold it some 
> years ago.
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-6 Nathan Mattia wrote:
>
>>
>> *Has anyone here ridden both the Rambouillet AND an RB-T?  *Looking at 
>> it’s geometry, the RB-T is very similar to geometry of a Rivendell 
>> Rambouillet, more than a Hillborne or a Homer. 
>>
>> My RB-T is 56cm, so that's what I'm comparing and I was struck by the 
>> similarities to the Rambouillet.  Note the level top-tube, similar 
>> Standover heights, Seat-tube and Head-tube angles,  bottom bracket drop, 
>> and chainstay lengths.  Do they ride similarly?  I don’t know.  But they 
>> look almost the same.
>>
>> [image: IMG_5225.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_5226.jpeg]
>>
>>  In Rivendell Reader 32 from the Spring of 2004, Grant Petersen recalls 
>> his time at Bridgestone and makes these proclamations:
>>
>> “Set up a scale from 1 to 100, and let’s agree to call our current 
>> Rivendell customs a 100, and a Magna (department store) mountain bike a 5.
>>
>> The high-end Bstones were 45s, and the middle ones were 35s. [Let’s call 
>> an RB-T a “40” then, in Grant’s estimation]. Comparably priced production 
>> bikes in the late ‘80s and ‘90s were in the low 30s. Some of the better 
>> production bikes in the early ‘80s—especially ’81 through ’85 (Specialized 
>> Expedition, Sequoia, Centurion Dave Scott, Miyata 600)—were in the low 50s, 
>> about 55. The Toyo-built bikes are 87s. “  
>>
>> Given this scale, I’d actually put the RB-T closer to a 75.  It's that 
>> good.  
>> If Grant wanted to place it in the Riv lineup today and move it up to an 
>> 87, he’d just add 2 cm to the stays, put more eyelets on the frame for 
>> racks and give it slightly bigger tire clearances.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2020-11-20 at 11.00.47 PM.png]
>>
>> Here’s what I know:  I like the flexiness of the RB-T frame.  I like how 
>> quickly it gets up to speed.  I like to push it around downhill curves.  It 
>> is NOT the work of art that is my Rivendell Sam Hillborne.   I take Samwise 
>> when I want to forget about the effort of the ride and become one with the 
>> beauty all around me.  I take the RB-T when I want to go fast and become 
>> one with my bike.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Comparing Rivendell Bikes to the old Bridgestones: Has anyone here experienced both a Rambouillet and an RB-T?

[Nathan Mattia]

I had a 1992 50cm RB-T that was too small for me, no matter what I did to 
it.  It was my first Bridgestone.  It felt neither lively, nor spritely.  

But for some reason, this 56cm RB-T (same year) most definitely feels 
supple.  I haven't ridden enough to know if it's planing or not, but my 
guess would be no. It's just a lot faster than my Hillborne and my 
Expedition.   Both were 700c wheels with stock parts.  It may be 
counter-intuitive, but I think the larger frame helps with the feel.  

It's just interesting to me that the 92 Bridgestone Catalog describes the 
RB-T as being their Road-ish fire-trail capable bike, pretty much just like 
Riv is describing a Sam Hillborne now.  But the bikes are not the same.

I would like to try a Ram sometime, or even a Roadini.  I think I would 
still want Moustache bars, though.  I can't stand the posture of drops.

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:53:50 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've not ridden an RBT, but I have extensively ridden a blue-model (later 
> one, I think, with more tire clearance) Ram and I *think* you'll find it 
> spritely. Mine didn't "plane" for me that way that the best frames I've 
> ridden have*, but it didn't at all feel sluggish in acceleration or for 
> that matter handling, tho' I did prefer the slightly quicker turn-in of my 
> 26" wheel road bikes.
>
> I don't know the tubing specs, but I doubt they were especially 
> thick-walled.
>
> *I use "planing" provisionally; in my case it might not be planing as Jan 
> describes it; it's just that some bikes encourage "1 cog smaller". The Ram 
> didn't, but again, it didn't ever feel as if it held me back.
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:46 AM Nathan Mattia  wrote:
>
>>
>> *Has anyone here ridden both the Rambouillet AND an RB-T?  *Looking at 
>> it’s geometry, the RB-T is very similar to geometry of a Rivendell 
>> Rambouillet, more than a Hillborne or a Homer. 
>>
>> My RB-T is 56cm, so that's what I'm comparing and I was struck by the 
>> similarities to the Rambouillet.  Note the level top-tube, similar 
>> Standover heights, Seat-tube and Head-tube angles,  bottom bracket drop, 
>> and chainstay lengths.  Do they ride similarly?  I don’t know.  But they 
>> look almost the same.
>>
>> [image: IMG_5225.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_5226.jpeg]
>>
>>  In Rivendell Reader 32 from the Spring of 2004, Grant Petersen recalls 
>> his time at Bridgestone and makes these proclamations:
>>
>> “Set up a scale from 1 to 100, and let’s agree to call our current 
>> Rivendell customs a 100, and a Magna (department store) mountain bike a 5.
>>
>> The high-end Bstones were 45s, and the middle ones were 35s. [Let’s call 
>> an RB-T a “40” then, in Grant’s estimation]. Comparably priced production 
>> bikes in the late ‘80s and ‘90s were in the low 30s. Some of the better 
>> production bikes in the early ‘80s—especially ’81 through ’85 (Specialized 
>> Expedition, Sequoia, Centurion Dave Scott, Miyata 600)—were in the low 50s, 
>> about 55. The Toyo-built bikes are 87s. “  
>>
>> Given this scale, I’d actually put the RB-T closer to a 75.  It's that 
>> good.  
>> If Grant wanted to place it in the Riv lineup today and move it up to an 
>> 87, he’d just add 2 cm to the stays, put more eyelets on the frame for 
>> racks and give it slightly bigger tire clearances.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2020-11-20 at 11.00.47 PM.png]
>>
>> Here’s what I know:  I like the flexiness of the RB-T frame.  I like how 
>> quickly it gets up to speed.  I like to push it around downhill curves.  It 
>> is NOT the work of art that is my Rivendell Sam Hillborne.   I take Samwise 
>> when I want to forget about the effort of the ride and become one with the 
>> beauty all around me.  I take the RB-T when I want to go fast and become 
>> one with my bike.
>>
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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Nathan Mattia]

Where do you find the Sticky Messages that used to appear at the top of the 
board, such as the Rivendell Timeline and the Riv Reader links?


On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:02:40 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm not volunteering for this because I don't have the time or patience or 
> skills...but I belong to another forum where people geek out about 
> something that most people don't care about (putters...you know...for 
> golf?).  It runs on forum called Simple Machines (
> https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php) and it's very easy to 
> find your way around, you can have categories for posts, registered 
> members, you can assign people as Moderators...etc...
>
> Downsides...
> I'm guessing you can't transfer over old threads from Groups
> Posting pictures does require a small amount of HTML knowhow 
> It's way easier to just participate on Facebook (this other community is 
> losing participants to Facebook...there are people like me who like to sit 
> with a coffee, read posts, write thoughtful responses, etc... who love the 
> Simple Machines format, and there are people who want to post a picture of 
> a new putter instantly and get a bunch of "likes"they're more into 
> Facebook).
>
> I dunno...just a thought...
>
> Ben "Definitely Not Volunteering for This" Mihovk 
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-6 eddietheflay wrote:
>
>> why doesn't it show messages with last posting at the top so you don't 
>> have to scroll down to find the last in?
>> why are not the new messages in a bolder font so you can easily tell the 
>> old from the new?
>> i only view on my pc desktop.
>>
>> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 11:06:21 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>
>>> I think I am done dealing with this new format. It's too difficult and 
>>> annoying for me to read. Later, folks!
>>>
>>> Eamon
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 3:05:03 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>>
 Same here. It’s unusable on my iPhone.

 Eamon
 Seattle 

 On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> Switch back to classic view has disappeared from my settings. Looks 
> like it's history.
>
> On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 12:21:19 pm UTC+11 Ian A wrote:
>
>> I'm still using classic. On Android on desktop mode and then in 
>> settings you can switch back to Classic and then reload mobile view and 
>> it 
>> gives you Classic view in mobile.
>>
>> On the PC just go into settings and switch select switch to Classic.
>>
>> A Google search on switching back to Classic view should list the 
>> instructions also.
>>
>> IanA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Film Student Documentary on RBW

[Nathan Mattia]

Thanks for sharing that, Ben.  Felt like I just spent 30 minutes with 
friends.

On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 6:47:48 PM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> This summer I devoured every minute of every video that had anything to do 
> with Rivendell that I could find. I watched this one a couple of times!
>
> I'm sure everyone has seen it already, but the "Rivendell People" video 
> that is linked on the Riv website is my favorite. If someone came up to me 
> and said, "Explain why you like Rivendell so much with any video," this is 
> the one I'd show them. https://vimeo.com/57271334
>
> -Ben
>
> On Monday, November 23, 2020 at 5:53:33 PM UTC-6 Jim M. wrote:
>
>> https://youtu.be/8tzGFIU8cJ0
>>
>> Says 2014 but I don't remember seeing it then. Some nice footage of 
>> beloved former RBW staff, and of the Bike, Book & Hatchet storefront. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[Nathan Mattia]

I think the reason people are so excited about the Hillborne’s is that they 
resemble something of a more mainstream bike.  I realize it’s not entirely 
true, but it seems like for several months, the only bikes you could buy 
from Riv had insanely long chain stays or were all step-thru mixtes.  
I know that a Gallop or a Platypus may inevitably be in my future, but 
people dig more traditional bikes as well.  
I’m a bit surprised the middle sizes are sold out so quickly.  

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 4:34:23 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I think I recently read in some form of Rivendell communication or 
> another, that Riv will be getting new shipments of bicycles monthly for the 
> next several months - starting now. I love this for several reasons. 
>
> 1. Rivendell is making money. 
> 2. People are having New Bike Day. 
> 3. New Rivendells are arguably the best topic we have on this List. 
>
> I think it would be fun to start a thread specific to these new bikes and 
> see who is getting what. Maybe it’s for you. Maybe it’s a Christmas gift 
> for your spouse or your kiddo. Today, the dark gold and Rivendell blue Sams 
> were up for grabs. I would love to celebrate with you if you ordered one 
> and care to mention it here. 
>
> I don’t know what number of frames Rivendell started with, but there were 
> only a handful left on the site a couple of hours ago. Congratulations if 
> you are a proud new owner! 
> Leah

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[RBW] Re: 2020 miles in 2020

[Nathan Mattia]

Well-spoken, Andy.  
And congratulations, Leah!


On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 5:53:15 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Leah, Your example is awesome. It's hard to keep a healthy perspective on 
> things in a world overflowing with ways and media intent on overflowing us 
> with absoluteness, epic-ness and utmost-ness. No one seems to be able to 
> recognize achievement less than winning the TdF, summiting Everest or 
> graduating with a bachelors and masters in three years. The absence of 
> humility and empathy in pursuit of recognition for some parameter of their 
> life makes most of that stuff unreadable. Your pursuit and achievement is a 
> humbling and awesome thing! 
>
> Life's barriers and challenges are real and have scale to each person and 
> surpassing them is an epic accomplishment of which we don't have enough 
> examples that are recognized. Probably because so many folks sit on the 
> couch scrolling through FB, IG posts and texts rather than actually doing 
> anything. I applaud your taking the multiple leaps necessary and doing 
> something you chose!
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Sunday, October 11, 2020 at 4:01:39 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> At the beginning of 2020 (back when we were so naive and hopeful) I set 
>> an ambitious goal for myself: 2,020 miles in 2020. This may seem small to 
>> some of you, but I live out in suburbia, surrounded by punishing 
>> hills/mountains, and there are few places to go out here. Most trips 
>> require a car. The one bike commute that gave me 4 miles/day was to the 
>> boys’ school, but by March, that was gone - replaced by virtual school. 
>>
>> Having everyone at home all the time was a blessing and a challenge. I 
>> started going out in the evenings, looking for places to go by bike to 
>> clear my mind and wear out my body. I rode down the mountain and began 
>> exploring the development there. They had thoughtfully put in bike lanes 
>> and a blacktop bike path, and I discovered that I could make a 10.1 mile 
>> loop, start to finish. The thing was, I only had my stock Clementine - the 
>> 2019, super-long model, set up to be a school commuter. Beautiful and 
>> capable, but heavy. I ordered a new wheelset and dyno lighting from Analog, 
>> and that really changed the game for me. Lightened up (in weight and 
>> lumens!), I could venture further from home, regardless of elevation or 
>> sunlight. I began to rack up miles. 
>>
>> I pedaled through a global pandemic. I pedaled through triple digit heat. 
>> I pedaled through the entire Hamilton soundtrack, memorizing it. I pedaled 
>> through wildfire smoke and record-breaking temps. I pedaled through rain. 
>> And wind. When a pulmonary embolism robbed me of my young, handsome, 
>> healthy dad in July, I pedaled (sometimes sobbing) through that, too. I 
>> pedaled in Minnesota humidity with my basket full of stuffed animals, my 
>> tiny niece shadowing me on her little bike. I pedaled through springtime, 
>> when entire trees exploded in blooms, and I will pedal through fall when 
>> the leaves are a riot of color. On October 9th, I hit my mileage goal. 
>>
>> 2,020 miles in 2020. 
>>
>> I’m going to keep pedaling, but I may finish out the year on a raspberry 
>> Platypus, depending on when the wheelset gets here. Until then, I’ll keep 
>> using this Clem, stout and dressed as a commuter, as an exercise bike. 
>> Don’t let anyone tell you you can’t - you can, and you’ll have muscles, to 
>> boot.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange Sam in the House

[Nathan Mattia]

Orange.  The filter throws it off a bit.

On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 10:04:26 PM UTC-5, Joel wrote:
>
> Great color.  What is it? 
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 10:43 PM Nathan Mattia  > wrote:
>
>> Just got mine ready for Back to School
>>
>> [image: C3DA6C76-60D0-447D-ABD3-0E93B04E9AC6.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 9:06:12 AM UTC-5, Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Andy.
>>>
>>> I think my Sam is from a 2018 batch.
>>>
>>> How does one verify?
>>>
>>> Mine has the caliper brakes.
>>>
>>> I am sure enjoying it and about to make a few more cockpit changes.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[Nathan Mattia]

My 51cm Sidepull Samwise is PERFECT for my 80 PBH and 5’9” height, 
especially when set up with Albatross bars.  Best fitting bike I’ve ever 
had.


On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 7:01:28 PM UTC-5, Joel wrote:
>
>
> I like the Sam H a lot, if I do decide to sell the Bleriot I would want a 
> Sam because from all I have gathered it would be a great fit in 51cm for 
> me.  The Homer May be a tad taller from I information I have gathered from 
> a forum member.  Also, nice to have one with a shorter chainstays as well.  
>
> All great bikes though.  
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 5:51 PM Jason Fuller  > wrote:
>
>> I do sometimes wonder if I shouldn't have went with the Homer for the 
>> lighter tubing, but the Sam is by no means sluggish or heavy feeling for 
>> having the stouter tubes of the two. I have mine built up pretty 
>> lightweight (for what it is), it's around 27 lbs with accessories but no 
>> bags. I came off a very light tubing bike, the Soma Grand Rando, and the 
>> Hillborne doesn't feel much slower to be honest, if at all!  It's 
>> definitely smoother, which is surprising given the stronger tubing. I think 
>> the geo just puts me in the perfect place between the wheels. 
>>
>> I do long distance road rides on the Hillborne and while it might do me 
>> well to have a bit of a lighter tubed bike in those cases, it's really nice 
>> to be able to also strap a bunch of weight to the same bike (or ride rough 
>> roads and trails) without worry!  I do these rides with people on full road 
>> bikes sometimes and I don't feel the bike holds me back more than maybe 
>> 3%.  
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Re: [RBW] WTB Brooks B67 preferably brown or honey.

[Nathan Mattia]

You can just send them to my personal email. 
nathanmat...@gmail.com

-Nathan Mattia

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> On Aug 28, 2020, at 1:15 AM, Sam Perez  wrote:
> 
> 
> I sent pictures but it says it's too big to send. Is it visible?
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 8:02 AM Nathan Mattia  wrote:
>> Looking for a brown Brooks B67 
>> 
>> Please let me know if you have one for sale!
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Re: [RBW] WTB Brooks B67 preferably brown or honey.

[Nathan Mattia]

That would be great!

-Nathan Mattia

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> On Aug 27, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Sam Perez  wrote:
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> 
> i can send some pictures  this afternoon.
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>> 
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[RBW] WTB Brooks B67 preferably brown or honey.

[Nathan Mattia]

Looking for a brown Brooks B67 

Please let me know if you have one for sale!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on my aspiring Riv-style build?

[Nathan Mattia]

If you find yourself near St. Louis, Your welcome to test (and haggle over? My 
56cm 1983 Expedition w an Albatross setup. 

-Nathan Mattia

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> On Aug 14, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Ray  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey Joe,
> 
> Thanks for looking out. Unfortunately, that would be far too small for me. As 
> for sizing, I'm not 100% sure as I've never had the opportunity to test drive 
> a Riv, but I have a PBH of about 86 cm, so according to their charts 56-58 
> would be for me, but it's hard to know for sure
> 
>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 1:05:23 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> I don't think I caught your size but maybe this could work. Says he'll ship.
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-atlantis-2-51cm/7168591492.html
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[RBW] Re: Upgrade to Sam Hillborne from a Surly Corss-Check?

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello Jeffrey
This year I finally stepped up and built up a Hillborne after Rivving up a 
1992 Bridgestone RB-T, a 1993 Bridgestone XO-2, and a 1983 Specialized 
Expedition.
You can read all about and see those pics at 
PipesBikesandLeather.com

Once I rode the Hillborne, all of those others faded into the memory of my 
affections. The Sam is that good.

On Tuesday, August 11, 2020 at 9:49:00 AM UTC-5, Jeffrey Sincich wrote:
>
> Hi all! I am considering finally upgrading from my Surly Cross-Check to a 
> Sam Hillborne. Has anyone done this, and if so, what are the improvements? 
> Were you happy you did so? I currently ride a 54cm Corss-Check. I mainly 
> commute to work, but some short bike tours are in the future. Thanks in 
> advance!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on my aspiring Riv-style build?

[Nathan Mattia]

Hey Ray, 
Until a few months ago, I had both a 1993 XO-2 and a 1983 Expedition in my 
stable.  I sold the XO-2 when I got my Sam Hillborne in March and I’ve 
never looked back.  The X0-2 definitely felt speedier, but my actual ride 
times in my 9-mile loop around my part of St. Louis showed the Expedition 
usually winning out.  I built both up with Albatross bars.  Make sure you 
get a longer stem than I had for my XO-2.

At the end of the day, the Expedition always felt a lot more solid and 
required far fewer adjustments.  Everything just worked, which I found 
amazing on a 37 year old bike.  I had racks on both at different times. 
 The Expedition never even blinked.  Just kept rolling like a Cadillac. 
 The XO could get squirrely with a load.  
Expedition
https://flic.kr/p/2gCLXTc
XO-2
https://flic.kr/p/2gCopwN

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> A little digging around, this Flickr stream showcasing a XO-2 built a few 
> ways, looks fun.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/134363652@N03/36132440922/in/photostream/
>
> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 1:32:53 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Among a variety whose abundance surprised me, the ineffably nice Rene 
>> Herse Elk Pass (~28 mm tho' labeled 32), the Naches Pass (42, labeled 1.8") 
>> and the Rat Trap Pass (~50 I think, tho labeled 2.3"). Also Pasela in 42, 
>> labeled 1.75", and Tioga makes a 42 I think.
>>
>> My new 26" wheel road bike Chauncey #2 is even as we speak having the 
>> fork rebuilt to give proper space under fork crown and fender for a 45, 
>> with the idea that I can use a Naches Pass if I decide I want something 
>> fatter than the Elk Pass.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 11:25 AM greenteadrinkers  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ... Not sure what the world has to offer in regards to 26" tires these 
>>> days, something to consider.
>>>
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[RBW] SOLD FS Sackville Small Trunksack in Olive Green $75

[Nathan Mattia]

Sold!

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Riv-ish Kids Bike (20")

[Nathan Mattia]

We had good success in the 20” range w The  Specialized Hotrock and Jazzi

-Nathan Mattia

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> On May 21, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Bob K.  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the info on Cleary, Nathan! I'll look into it.
> 
> Yes, the $200 price range is perhaps a bit optimistic. I would really like to 
> stick with well cared for used bikes if at all possible, though, and then I 
> can pass it along to another lister in a few years. 
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Riv-ish Kids Bike (20")

[Nathan Mattia]

Sorry.  Looked again at her size.  The Cleary Owl can be had for $425 or so 
and they make a 3 speed but seem to be sold out a lot.


On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 11:10:52 AM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>
> Cleary bikes are only made for kids and have some real winners and 
> thoughtful design, imho.  
> The meerkat might be just the thing for her.  BUT the 5 speed is $594.   
>
> My son rides a 24” Priority Start, which is decidedly NOT Rivish, but 
> which had some features he needed for his CP.  It’s 399.  
>
> If you’re sticking to $200, I don’t think there’s ANYTHING out there new 
> that is quality.  You’ll have to hit some lucky garage sales or bike co-ops 
> at just the right time.
>
> On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 9:18:26 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>> And here she is with her current bike (with aforementioned maxed-out 
>> seatpost) on a recent ride.
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Riv-ish Kids Bike (20")

[Nathan Mattia]

Cleary bikes are only made for kids and have some real winners and 
thoughtful design, imho.  
The meerkat might be just the thing for her.  BUT the 5 speed is $594.   

My son rides a 24” Priority Start, which is decidedly NOT Rivish, but which 
had some features he needed for his CP.  It’s 399.  

If you’re sticking to $200, I don’t think there’s ANYTHING out there new 
that is quality.  You’ll have to hit some lucky garage sales or bike co-ops 
at just the right time.

On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 9:18:26 AM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>
> And here she is with her current bike (with aforementioned maxed-out 
> seatpost) on a recent ride.
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
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Re: [RBW] FS: Fatty Rumpkin Tires

[Nathan Mattia]

Hey Rich, 
I’ll take these.
PM coming your way.

On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 2:46:20 PM UTC-5, RichS wrote:
>
> Price drop on the Rumpkins to $55 shipped.
>
> Thanks very much,
> Rich in ATL
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 10, 2020, at 3:49 PM, RichS > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Green (light) model. Folding bead. 650b x 41 (measured exactly 41on 
> Synergy rims); mounted easily!
> Bought these from Riv to replace 38s on my Sam but 38 is still the optimal 
> width for me.
> Ridden 10-12 miles to test them out. Asking $85 (shipped) for the pair.
>
> Thanks very much,
> Rich in ATL
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[RBW] Re: In Praise of RBW

[Nathan Mattia]

All this is soo true!
I called a month ago for a Large Royal Trunksack, after hearing crickets 
here on the forum for a month when I put out a WTB notice.
Turns out they never actually put Large Royal Trunksack into circulation. 
 They don’t really exist.  
But you know what, they had one at RivHQ in the back.  It even had a 
missing rivet, so Will sold it to me at a significant discount.
I am loyal for life now.  

On Friday, May 15, 2020 at 3:10:34 PM UTC-5, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Wow, that's great!  I have to imagine some luck went into that as well, 
> but needless to say RBW doesn't treat obsolescence the way most bike makers 
> do. I'm more of an email than a call kind of person, which doesn't really 
> jive with RBW's preferences, and I find I sometimes don't get responses, or 
> they're slow.  But I know it's a dedicated group there so no hard feelings 
> about it. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

Hey Tim!  Sorry you missed it.  We will do it again, soon, I hope.

-Nathan Mattia

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> On Apr 28, 2020, at 9:04 PM, Tim Rogers <97re...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm sorry I didn't see this until today. Sunday was a beautiful day ... I was 
> out riding the Monarch Trail in Chesterfield. Had I known, "Clem" and I would 
> have gladly joined you. If you ever organize another local ride and do so by 
> building on this thread, I think the forum will ping me (and the others) now 
> that we've responded.
> 
>> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 11:23:06 AM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>> Hello my fellow Riv-Heads of the Gateway City
>> 
>>  In the 3 years that I have been back into bikes, and aware of Rivendell, I 
>> have had the pleasure of running into 3 different Riv-Riders.  One, the 
>> venerable Jeff Smith, had enough time to stop and have a 1/2 hour 
>> conversation before my wife called and started yapping about missing dinner.
>> 
>> The point is, that conversation was lovely, and I need more of it.  I want 
>> to see other people’s rigs up close and personal. I want to know which local 
>> mechanics are worth their salt.  I want to know some insights on the local 
>> trails beyond my beloved Forest Park.
>> 
>> Let’s get together, shall we?  There has never been a time (since, perhaps 
>> college) when I have had more time to go for a ride and a get together.  I 
>> am literally free for at least a part of every day.
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[RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

Dean, great picture!  Those are some good-looking Riv-Riders there! 
 Paragons of fashion and style, every one!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

Oh man, I love that place.  So great to hear you do to.  
They dug up a Fairdale Weekender, a Dr. Dew and a Breeze for me to tool 
around the District for a day, just because I said I was visiting from St. 
Louis where we don’t have a Fairdale dealer. Super patient with me and 
answered all my questions.

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:10:42 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Nathan, I'm in Highland Park of the East End, Kindred is my go-to. Aaron, 
> Catherine and John have been my first reference for folks shopping bikes. 
> They do a fantastic job of helping folks find their format based on use, 
> intents and preferences. They recently build my Coast 650b rando. 
>
> They're down the street from my work, up the block from my favorite 
> shopping and close to downtown.
>
> Andy Cheahtam
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:41:25 AM UTC-4, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>
>> SWEET LORD, that looks amazing.  That’s what I’m talking about when I say 
>>> I need scenery. I NEED to ride the continental divide.  Whose Atlantis was 
>>> that shiny gem?  I don’t think i could have ever brought myself to take it 
>>> outside!
>>>
>>
>> Andy!, whereabouts in the  Pittsburgh area are you now? My dad grew up in 
>> Aliquippa so we make it back there every once in a while.
>> Have you made it down to *Kindred Cycles in the Strip? * 
>>
>> Wonderful people there.  Let me test ride several bikes a few years ago, 
>> knowing I was on vacation and wouldn’t buy one.  Helped move me several 
>> steps closer to knowing what I wanted and didn’t want in a a bike as I was 
>> getting back into riding.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

>
> SWEET LORD, that looks amazing.  That’s what I’m talking about when I say 
> I need scenery. I NEED to ride the continental divide.  Whose Atlantis was 
> that shiny gem?  I don’t think i could have ever brought myself to take it 
> outside!
>

Andy!, whereabouts in the  Pittsburgh area are you now? My dad grew up in 
Aliquippa so we make it back there every once in a while.
Have you made it down to *Kindred Cycles in the Strip? * 

Wonderful people there.  Let me test ride several bikes a few years ago, 
knowing I was on vacation and wouldn’t buy one.  Helped move me several 
steps closer to knowing what I wanted and didn’t want in a a bike as I was 
getting back into riding.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

I’m in!.  See you then, Jim.  2:00 at King Louis!

On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 6:55:01 PM UTC-5, Jim S. wrote:
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> Ok. Forest park. How about Sunday at 2 by that statute of St Louis in 
> front of the art museum? If we could get 5 Riv riders, I'd say great 
> success. I'm in. Anybody else?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

Well, I’ve never done a group ride in my life, so I’m not suggesting that 
for the meet up.  

As far as I’m concerned, we can all agree to ride in from different points 
on the compass so that we don’t have to calculate our velocity and distance 
and radii of possible transmission under speed.

The point is, the conversation and comradery.  Could they be had on an 
online forum?  Sure, but it’s not the same.  Could we accomplish those 
safely?  I think so.


On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 2:57:12 PM UTC-5, Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>
> Glad that someone is beginning to look at it at least. I hadn't heard any 
> of that. It makes sense that velocity is going to affect distance.  Tho, 
> this could cause concern for the increase number of people that are offset 
> from public transit using the bike lanes. 
> I've been maintaining 100% masking wearing while outside the home, 
> including when biking anyways.
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:44 PM somervillebikes  > wrote:
>
>> I don't think the 2 meter rule necessarily applies to cycling or running. 
>> There is a computer-simulated model out of Europe that suggests that for 
>> higher speed travel modes, like running and cycling, you might need far 
>> more than 6 feet.  Granted, it's a model, not peer-reviewed, and there's 
>> also scant data that points to viral transmission occurring outdoors, but 
>> then again very little is really known for sure about the transmission of 
>> this virus. My regular riding buddy and I decided to end our gentleman 
>> rides two weeks ago. I'd rather err on the safe side. 
>>
>> Anton
>> velolumino.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 3:27:51 PM UTC-4, Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm currently in NYC but will be moving back to KC next month so I'll be 
>>> on the other side of the state from you soon.
>>> I'd be down for a train trip over and ride later in the year perhaps, My 
>>> work goes on so I'm as busy as ever during all this.
>>>
>>> I also tend to agree with you, a small group ride/chat can be done 
>>> safely.  You don't have to ride in a peloton or paceline to ride together. 
>>> Can easily chat at 6ft distances. Not touch each others bikes. Wear masks. 
>>> Etc...
>>>
>>> --ben
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:13 PM Nathan Mattia  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Bill,
>>>>
>>>> When Samwise Hillborne was ready to roll last month, the FIRST ride I 
>>>> made was from here in Richmond Heights, down the River Des Peres Greenway, 
>>>> to Grant’s Trail.  By far, my least favorite part was Grant’s Trail.  I 
>>>> have discovered that if the route is going to be long and flat, it at 
>>>> least 
>>>> needs to be scenic.  Riding Grant’s Trail reminded me of driving on 
>>>> highways in Mississippi.  Lots of trees with no scenery for miles and 
>>>> miles.  Except with Grant’s Trail, there aren’t even any Cracker Barrel’s. 
>>>>  
>>>> I DID note that even on the semi-blustery day I was riding it, there were 
>>>> a 
>>>> fair amount of people utilizing it, so that’s good.  
>>>>
>>>> Touche`Are you a man of the Lou?  IT IS a great time for a meet up.  1) 
>>>> I can’t imagine there are more than 10 of us in the area here on the 
>>>> forum.  But if there are, I’ll be thrilled.  2) I don’t need to touch your 
>>>> bike, much less you.  I can tell everything I need to tell from a 
>>>> medically 
>>>> acceptable distance.
>>>> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 1:48:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathan, 
>>>>>
>>>>> I no longer live in St. Louis so couldn’t be a part of any meet up, 
>>>>> unless I happened to be visiting my son at the time.  Many years ago I 
>>>>> bike 
>>>>> commuted from near Grants Farm to the CWE thru Forest Park.  Are you 
>>>>> aware 
>>>>> of Grants Trail?  My son seemed to think it might be closed due to CV.  
>>>>> It 
>>>>> was developed by Trailnet (https://trailnet.org/), formerly Gateway 
>>>>> Trailnet.  I was on the board of GT at the time and the powers that were 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> the community of Grantwood Village, of which I was a resident, spent our 
>>>>> precious tax dollars appealing the trail all the way to the US Supreme 
>>>>> Court, which declined to review the case preserving GT’s victory in 
>&g

[RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello Bill,

When Samwise Hillborne was ready to roll last month, the FIRST ride I made 
was from here in Richmond Heights, down the River Des Peres Greenway, to 
Grant’s Trail.  By far, my least favorite part was Grant’s Trail.  I have 
discovered that if the route is going to be long and flat, it at least 
needs to be scenic.  Riding Grant’s Trail reminded me of driving on 
highways in Mississippi.  Lots of trees with no scenery for miles and 
miles.  Except with Grant’s Trail, there aren’t even any Cracker Barrel’s. 
 I DID note that even on the semi-blustery day I was riding it, there were 
a fair amount of people utilizing it, so that’s good.  

Touché,  Kevin.
Are you a man of the Lou?   Allow me to explain.  IT IS a great time for a 
meet up.  1) I can’t imagine there are more than 10 of us in the area here 
on the forum.  But if there are, I’ll be thrilled.  2) I don’t need to 
touch your bike, much less you.  I can tell everything I need to tell from 
a medically/ acceptable distance.  And more importantly, we can talk.  I’ll 
even don the mask and gloves.  3) I don’t know about your area, but with 
the reduced traffic, rides through the central corridor of the ‘Lou have 
never been more enjoyable.

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 2:02:10 PM UTC-5, Kevin M wrote:
>
> Yeah, great time for a meet up :-/
>

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[RBW] Re: Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello Bill,

When Samwise Hillborne was ready to roll last month, the FIRST ride I made 
was from here in Richmond Heights, down the River Des Peres Greenway, to 
Grant’s Trail.  By far, my least favorite part was Grant’s Trail.  I have 
discovered that if the route is going to be long and flat, it at least 
needs to be scenic.  Riding Grant’s Trail reminded me of driving on 
highways in Mississippi.  Lots of trees with no scenery for miles and 
miles.  Except with Grant’s Trail, there aren’t even any Cracker Barrel’s. 
 I DID note that even on the semi-blustery day I was riding it, there were 
a fair amount of people utilizing it, so that’s good.  

Touche`Are you a man of the Lou?  IT IS a great time for a meet up.  1) I 
can’t imagine there are more than 10 of us in the area here on the forum. 
 But if there are, I’ll be thrilled.  2) I don’t need to touch your bike, 
much less you.  I can tell everything I need to tell from a medically 
acceptable distance.
On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 1:48:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> Nathan, 
>
> I no longer live in St. Louis so couldn’t be a part of any meet up, unless 
> I happened to be visiting my son at the time.  Many years ago I bike 
> commuted from near Grants Farm to the CWE thru Forest Park.  Are you aware 
> of Grants Trail?  My son seemed to think it might be closed due to CV.  It 
> was developed by Trailnet (https://trailnet.org/), formerly Gateway 
> Trailnet.  I was on the board of GT at the time and the powers that were in 
> the community of Grantwood Village, of which I was a resident, spent our 
> precious tax dollars appealing the trail all the way to the US Supreme 
> Court, which declined to review the case preserving GT’s victory in 
> district court.  I believe it has become a much used community asset.  You 
> ought to check it out if you haven’t already. It would be another great 
> place to ride with your kids and maybe work it into a visit to Grants Farm 
> and Grant’s National Monument.  I believe the Old Chain of Rocks Bridge, 
> also developed by Trailnet, connects riverfront trails on both sides of the 
> Mississippi and makes for some nice riding. 
>
> Bill S 
>
>

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[RBW] Let’s have a St. Louis Meet Up!

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello my fellow Riv-Heads of the Gateway City

 In the 3 years that I have been back into bikes, and aware of Rivendell, I 
have had the pleasure of running into 3 different Riv-Riders.  One, the 
venerable Jeff Smith, had enough time to stop and have a 1/2 hour 
conversation before my wife called and started yapping about missing dinner.

The point is, that conversation was lovely, and I need more of it.  I want 
to see other people’s rigs up close and personal. I want to know which 
local mechanics are worth their salt.  I want to know some insights on the 
local trails beyond my beloved Forest Park.

Let’s get together, shall we?  There has never been a time (since, perhaps 
college) when I have had more time to go for a ride and a get together.  I 
am literally free for at least a part of every day.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 30 Days of Biking!

[Nathan Mattia]

James, now you’ve ruined it for me. 

Go Steelers!

-Nathan Mattia

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> On Apr 21, 2020, at 7:42 PM, James Davis  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Nathan, the bike looks awesome! Orange and blue has always been one of my 
> favorite color combinations, and that is not just because they are classic 
> Denver Bronco colors.
> 
> James Gardner Davis
> Denver, CO
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:44 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> Eh bollocks. I meant to add to my ebike post that Rad Power bikes have 
>> pedal-assist, which is more "cycling" like. Because that post doesn't even 
>> have a reason to be a post without this part! 臘
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[RBW] Re: What have you learned during the isolation?

[Nathan Mattia]

Yes, the increase in crazy and faster driving was almost instant in St. 
Louis.  I usually drive 10 over, and I was getting passed on city streets 
that aren’t passing types of streets.
I think part of it may be that some of our good driving habits are really 
us reacting to what’s going on.  For instance, I’ve ran way more red 
lights in-intentionally in the middle of the night when no traffic was 
around than I have in normal daytime traffic.

On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 6:20:52 PM UTC-5, aeroperf wrote:
>
>
> It’s the first time I’ve started a thread, but I’d be interested to hear 
> about what you’ve learned that’s new to you.
>
> I live on a 93 mile bike trail that’s now closed.   The bike trail, being 
> rails-to-trails, had no corners (or real hills).  So for five years I’ve 
> been cranking away in relatively straight lines.
>
> Now that I’m riding 4 laps through a small neighborhood, I’m learning how 
> to take corners at speed without pedal strikes.
> My 2015 Sam had no problem.  My 2019 Homer taught me that you had to 
> either open up the corner a little or “outside foot down, inside foot up” 
> coast through it.  They have the same 170mm crank arms, so it is probably 
> both the bottom bracket drop and the smaller wheels - 650 vs 700 - that put 
> me lower.  And 15mph might not be “speed” for others, but it is interesting 
> in tight quarters for me.
>
> So what have you learned?  Riding Zwift is fun?  Riding solo is no fun?  
> Cleaning clothes is easier without chain grease?
>
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[RBW] Re: What have you learned during the isolation?

[Nathan Mattia]

I’ve been thinking about this for over a week, and finally collected my 
thoughts enough to write about it. ‘
It’s complicated, but here it is.

https://pipesbikesandleather.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=218=edit


On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 6:20:52 PM UTC-5, aeroperf wrote:
>
>
> It’s the first time I’ve started a thread, but I’d be interested to hear 
> about what you’ve learned that’s new to you.
>
> I live on a 93 mile bike trail that’s now closed.   The bike trail, being 
> rails-to-trails, had no corners (or real hills).  So for five years I’ve 
> been cranking away in relatively straight lines.
>
> Now that I’m riding 4 laps through a small neighborhood, I’m learning how 
> to take corners at speed without pedal strikes.
> My 2015 Sam had no problem.  My 2019 Homer taught me that you had to 
> either open up the corner a little or “outside foot down, inside foot up” 
> coast through it.  They have the same 170mm crank arms, so it is probably 
> both the bottom bracket drop and the smaller wheels - 650 vs 700 - that put 
> me lower.  And 15mph might not be “speed” for others, but it is interesting 
> in tight quarters for me.
>
> So what have you learned?  Riding Zwift is fun?  Riding solo is no fun?  
> Cleaning clothes is easier without chain grease?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB or WTT Royal Blue Large Trunksack OR Royal Saddle Sack

[Nathan Mattia]

BUMP.  Common, people!
Do Large Royal Trunksacks even exist?  Is that what I am to conclude?
I'm offering cash money!


On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 1:16:03 PM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>
> I am looking for some Royal Blue Sackville bags to complete my Sam build.
>
> I have an extra small Saddle Sack and Small Trunk Sack to trade, if 
> interested.  Both are in Olive.  But I’ll pay cash as well.
>
> Thanks!!
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[RBW] Re: First Ride Thoughts on my new Sam Hillborne

[Nathan Mattia]

Well, I’m definitely loving it so far.  For all the “small differences” I 
think, it’s the best-fitting bike I’ve ever had.  Just feels right every 
time I saddle up.
I haven’t ridden this much since I was 8.

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 10:18:32 AM UTC-5, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> Your Specialized Expedition looks amazing. I think you’re going to really 
> like riding the Rivendell. Rivendell are 85% similar to 80s touring bikes, 
> but the small differences become apparent over many miles and years. :)

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Build Post, with links and Celebrity Endorsements

[Nathan Mattia]

Yeah, I actually thought these were going to be friction shifters (love it 
on my Expedition tube-mounts) but not so!  I’m disliking it right now 
because of some phantom shifts on my last 2 rides.  I’m trying to figure 
out if it’s just new bike cable stretching or if my shifters suck, or if 
it’s the derailleurs that are at fault.

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 1:38:04 PM UTC-5, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
> If you're interested in drinking the friction kool aid, give that d ring 
> on your right shifter a turn over the the dark side (just continuing your 
> star wars theme)
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 2:16:41 PM UTC-4, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>
>> Sorry.  Here's the link that works
>>
>>
>> https://pipesbikesandleather.com/2020/03/25/rivendell-sam-hillborne-build-post/
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 12:29:45 PM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's the link to my blog post on my new Sam Hillborne build.  Please 
>>> comment here or there with questions and thoughts.
>>> https://pipesbikesandleather.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=191=edit
>>>
>>> <https://pipesbikesandleather.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=191=edit>
>>> In the mean time, Han Solo sums up my current thoughts:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3626.JPG]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: First Ride Thoughts on my new Sam Hillborne

[Nathan Mattia]

Was your Sam a Caliper or Cantilever?  Do you run fenders as well?

The Expedition is a 56 cm which makes it just a wee bit too big for me.  I 
think a 54 would be perfect for that frame.


On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 8:48:50 PM UTC-5, Fryfam wrote:
>
> I had 45s on my 2tt SH with ample room to spare. 
>
> On another note, what size is your expedition? 
>
> On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 3:59:54 PM UTC-7, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>
>> Oh, tough question for someone like me with neither experience, nor 
>> expertise.  But sure, I’ll take a stab.
>>   I think there’s a few mm under there, so hopefully 45s?  The good news 
>> is that the 42s on there fit great, with the fenders.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 2:54:30 PM UTC-5, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>>
>>> Curious to know how much bigger you think you can go in the tire dept?
>>>
>>> Looks like a nice ride, glad there is something to enjoy amidst all this 
>>> chaos
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 2:07:42 PM UTC-4, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Published on my blog here:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://pipesbikesandleather.com/2020/03/21/new-bike-day-with-samuel-hillborne/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Build Post, with links and Celebrity Endorsements

[Nathan Mattia]

Sorry.  Here's the link that works

https://pipesbikesandleather.com/2020/03/25/rivendell-sam-hillborne-build-post/

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 12:29:45 PM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>
> Here's the link to my blog post on my new Sam Hillborne build.  Please 
> comment here or there with questions and thoughts.
> https://pipesbikesandleather.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=191=edit
>
> <https://pipesbikesandleather.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=191=edit>
> In the mean time, Han Solo sums up my current thoughts:
>
> [image: IMG_3626.JPG]
>
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[RBW] Re: First Ride Thoughts on my new Sam Hillborne

[Nathan Mattia]

Oh, tough question for someone like me with neither experience, nor 
expertise.  But sure, I’ll take a stab.
  I think there’s a few mm under there, so hopefully 45s?  The good news is 
that the 42s on there fit great, with the fenders.

On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 2:54:30 PM UTC-5, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
> Curious to know how much bigger you think you can go in the tire dept?
>
> Looks like a nice ride, glad there is something to enjoy amidst all this 
> chaos
>
>
> On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 2:07:42 PM UTC-4, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>
>> Published on my blog here:
>>
>>
>> https://pipesbikesandleather.com/2020/03/21/new-bike-day-with-samuel-hillborne/
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] First Ride Thoughts on my new Sam Hillborne

[Nathan Mattia]

Published on my blog here:

https://pipesbikesandleather.com/2020/03/21/new-bike-day-with-samuel-hillborne/


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[RBW] WTB or WTT Royal Blue Large Trunksack OR Royal Saddle Sack

[Nathan Mattia]

I am looking for some Royal Blue Sackville bags to complete my Sam build.

I have an extra small Saddle Sack and Small Trunk Sack to trade, if 
interested.  Both are in Olive.  But I’ll pay cash as well.

Thanks!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: The Wait is Finally Over!

[Nathan Mattia]

Hey Ricky, 
My Pletscher was $15 I believe, from our local bike Co-op StL Bikeworks.  They 
had several old ones lying about.   I like the versatility of it quite a bit.  
Not quite as shiny as my chrome bits, but I’ll try polishing it up and see if 
that works.

-Nathan Mattia

“I believe in order to understand.” 
-St. Augustine

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 8:56 AM, E. Ricky Creek  wrote:
> 
> 
> I love that you used a Pletscher rack. I have one on  my Atlantis and my wife 
> has one on her Appaloosa. I always pick them up at flea markets if they are 
> under $5. They are almost always missing hardware, but there is a way to 
> mount them using the leftover P-clamps that come with Nitto racks. 
>   Congrats and engoy! 
> 
>> On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 10:34:00 PM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>> Drove 5 hours back from our spring break in Tennessee today with my family.  
>> On the outside I was all appropriate business:  “Wash your hands in the 
>> bathrooms.”  “Use these wipes to open the gas station doors.”  “Stop 
>> touching your brother’s face!” I even managed to carry on meaningful and 
>> necessary discussions with my wife about how we were going to set up the 
>> house to work from home while dealing with our 2 boys.  I am proud I held 
>> onto this responsible veneer when, on the inside, all I could do was think 
>> about how I was going to leave the house the MOMENT we were done unpacking 
>> and go get my Sam Hillborne.  
>> 
>> And here it is in *almost* all its glory.  Got to ride it for about a mile 
>> before rain and dinner interfered.  
>> First impressions:  
>> 1.  It’s the most comfortable bike I’ve ever saddled up.
>> 2.  It’s the first bike I’ve had that just FIT.  I’m not trying to 
>> constantly scoot back in the saddle.
>> 3.  The Low Bottom Bracket thing is for real, y’all.  Not sure I can go back.
>> 4.  I thought my ‘83 Specialized Expedition won the JD Power and Associates  
>> Hallmark of Cadillac Stability Award, (and maybe it does when fully loaded) 
>> but this Sammy is SMOOTH.
>>  
>> *still to be added are a water bottle holder a Medium Wald Basket (on the 
>> Pletscher in the rear?), a small Olive Trunk Sack and an extra-small Olive 
>> SaddleSack.  
>> BY THE WAY, my Sackville are all in Olive and, as you can see here, I’ve got 
>> a blue/orange motif going.  Anybody interested in trading me some Royal Blue 
>> Sackville items for my Olive?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day: The Wait is Finally Over!

[Nathan Mattia]

You ain’t kiddin, Rocky.  I had heard that phrase before, but it finally 
DOES make sense

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 10:54:06 AM UTC-5, Rocky B wrote:
>
> Great looking bike  
>
> I, too, am a big fan of low BB drops.  Riv introduced it to me and it’s 
> one of the first dimensions I look at when I look at a bike’s geometry 
> chart.  I love the feeling of riding “in” a bike instead of riding “on top” 
> of one (if that makes any sense.) 
>
> Rocky

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day: The Wait is Finally Over!

[Nathan Mattia]

Here’s the rundown, as best as I remember it while typing this fro bed:

-This is an MIT 51cm Samuel Hillborne, made for Caliper brakes.

-brakes are the Riv caliper Tektros

-Shimano Tiagra brake levers.

-shifters are some Shimano thumbies, rigged up by Rich at Kenton Cycle 
Repair, in Portland.

-Deore XT derailleurs.  

-13cm Nitto Tallux Stem

-Albatross bars w/ cheap cork grips from Amazon b/c Riv was out, and 
Newbaum’s tape.

-Mark’s Rack

-Old Pletscher Rear rack.

-Riv Standard Sugino 2x Crank

-A23 Rims, Dynamo front hub 36 spoke, Deore Rear hub 36 spoke.  The Swiss 
double-butted spokes.  Wheels built by Cursed Bikes here in the StL.

-Tires are 42mm Pari-motos 

-8-Speed Cassette

-SKS pedals

-B17 Saddle, nicely broken in by an unknown previous owner.  Came with my 
old RB-T

-Blue Cable Housings.

-Busch & Muller IQ-X light

*Not Pictured—but soon—* Wald Medium Basket


On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 8:02:13 AM UTC-5, DHans wrote:
>
> Congrats on the new bike..it's a beauty. Grips look new and the saddle 
> just worn enough to be comfortable. What wheel size does it have?
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 11:34:00 PM UTC-4, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>
>> Drove 5 hours back from our spring break in Tennessee today with my 
>> family.  On the outside I was all appropriate business:  “Wash your hands 
>> in the bathrooms.”  “Use these wipes to open the gas station doors.”  “Stop 
>> touching your brother’s face!” I even managed to carry on meaningful and 
>> necessary discussions with my wife about how we were going to set up the 
>> house to work from home while dealing with our 2 boys.  I am proud I held 
>> onto this responsible veneer when, on the inside, all I could do was think 
>> about how I was going to leave the house the MOMENT we were done unpacking 
>> and go get my Sam Hillborne.  
>>
>> And here it is in *almost* all its glory.  Got to ride it for about a 
>> mile before rain and dinner interfered.  
>> First impressions:  
>> 1.  It’s the most comfortable bike I’ve ever saddled up.
>> 2.  It’s the first bike I’ve had that just FIT.  I’m not trying to 
>> constantly scoot back in the saddle.
>> 3.  The Low Bottom Bracket thing is for real, y’all.  Not sure I can go 
>> back.
>> 4.  I thought my ‘83 Specialized Expedition won the JD Power and 
>> Associates  Hallmark of Cadillac Stability Award, (and maybe it does when 
>> fully loaded) but this Sammy is SMOOTH.
>>  
>> *still to be added are a water bottle holder a Medium Wald Basket (on the 
>> Pletscher in the rear?), a small Olive Trunk Sack and an extra-small Olive 
>> SaddleSack.  
>> BY THE WAY, my Sackville are all in Olive and, as you can see here, I’ve 
>> got a blue/orange motif going.  Anybody interested in trading me some Royal 
>> Blue Sackville items for my Olive?
>>
>> [image: 12B91102-4C3B-4656-A5DC-B4A87F1AB886.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: 929A7932-60A4-4E76-9A0C-1478FB780548.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: ED53012A-8C10-49CC-9CE3-671B64C9A2D5.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: 3F7D70F3-383A-478F-AD81-75BF1394307E.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: 6CF43839-FE3C-495A-88EC-F765D38ADB9A.jpeg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Mark’s rack + Wald 137

[Nathan Mattia]

Good to know, Justin.  I should have my butt in the saddle of the new build 
by Thursday.  Full report coming!

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 5:21:04 PM UTC-4, Eric G@rs wrote:
>
> I’m looking to outfit my Homer with a front basket rather than rear and 
> considering Mark’s rack as it is seems small and light and ideally won’t 
> effect handling while unloaded. 95% of use when loaded would be carrying my 
> messenger bag with laptop for work or a single bag of groceries so not too 
> heavy. I’ve read through the archives a bit in this, but opinions change 
> with experience so I’m curious to hear from people that have used this 
> combination whether they like it or would recommend another option. 
>
> Eric G@rs (I prefer some degree of anonymity via google search hence the @ 
> in place of “a”) 
> SF

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[RBW] Re: Mark’s rack + Wald 137

[Nathan Mattia]

I’m Putting the same setup on my new caliper Hillborne : Mark’s Rack with a 
Wald 137 Medium basket.   I’ve got albatross bars. I hope it all works 
together. 

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[RBW] Re: FSoT: Rivendell Kickstand

[Nathan Mattia]

I’ll take it, Matthew!

On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 9:15:24 PM UTC-5, Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Here's a barely-used kickstand from a 2016 Rivendell. 
>
> $10, or trade for a bottle of decent Irish whisky.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Nathan Mattia]

 Here’ s my Sam-in-Process on Sunday.  Word is the wheels should be on 
tomorrow.
I am lonely.



On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 1:29:13 PM UTC-6, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto M12 Front Rack.

[Nathan Mattia]

SOLD.  Thanks!!

On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 8:28:07 PM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>
> [image: C674F2F1-DDA6-4222-A1FA-5F60A3AA3781.jpeg]
> This rack was on my XO-2 for about 6 months.  Not used much at all except 
> to hold a small Trunksack.
> Price is SHIPPED to the CONUS from St. Louis.
>
> [image: B0FA9D5B-74DA-4344-A65B-2D9B15627CDE.jpeg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Nitto M12 Front Rack.

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello Jonathan,
I have another interested party, if you are not.
Please let me know, ASAP.
I’ll let him know at noon that it’s a sale if I have not heard from you.
thanks!!

-Nathan Mattia

“I believe in order to understand.” 
-St. Augustine

> On Mar 9, 2020, at 9:33 PM, Nathan Mattia  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorry!
> $65, shipped
> 
>> On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 9:13:08 PM UTC-5, Jonathan D. wrote:
>> I didn’t see a price.  I am interested depending on the price.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto M12 Front Rack.

[Nathan Mattia]

Sorry!
$65, shipped

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> I didn’t see a price.  I am interested depending on the price. 

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Re: [RBW] Finally getting an actual Rivendell, and the anticipation is BRUTAL

[Nathan Mattia]

And the thing is, I already have a small Trunk Sack and a small Saddle 
Sack.  I'm screwed for sure!

On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 10:59:27 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> "7. You will develop an expensive Sackville habit." 
>
> This one will getcha for sure  
>
> #whatinsamhill 藍

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[RBW] Re: Finally getting an actual Rivendell, and the anticipation is BRUTAL

[Nathan Mattia]

First time I saw one in the wild was actually in East Nashville last 
October at Grimey's record store.
2 sightings now in StL.  One in Forest Park and one in my neighborhood of 
Richmond Heights.  Nice people every time!

On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 1:29:32 PM UTC-6, LBleriot wrote:
>
> Ha!  I had the same thought as a former Queens resident myself.  Rivs are 
> a rare site in NYC.  
>
> On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 12:00:29 PM UTC-5, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>
>> which forest park are you referring to? queens, ny? 
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 11:03:58 PM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>>
>>> Tomorrow I’m going to be teaching my 8th grade students the blessings 
>>> and curses of Jacksonian Democracy, but all I’ll really be thinking about 
>>> is my orange Sam Hillborne currently under construction at my LBS.  How are 
>>> the wheels coming along?  Have the spokes arrived yet?  How will the light 
>>> mount to the front rack?  
>>> But the build questions are NOTHING compared to the ride anticipations.
>>> Where shall I take it first?  The usual loop around Forest Park? 
>>>  Commute to school?  Or will it be somewhere new, just between me and Sam?  
>>>
>>> [image: 06ED93DE-733D-4195-8FEE-DBAE6147C9D1.jpeg]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Finally getting an actual Rivendell, and the anticipation is BRUTAL

[Nathan Mattia]

Forest Park in St. Louis, MO!  The premier city park of the Midwest, of course. 

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[RBW] Re: What Can Rivendell Make That's Not Custom?

[Nathan Mattia]

So far it’s looking like this

Orange Sam Hillborne 51” frame
Tektro Side-pulls
Albatross bars with Shimano thumbies and MTB levers
Nitto M12 front rack w/ small green trunk sack and Busch and Miller
Dynamo hub front wheel
MKS Silver Pedals
Brown Brooks B17 Saddle
Hammered Silver Fenders
Front Busch and Muller IQ-X light

Still trying to figure out tires.  Maybe Fatty Rumpkin lights?
Might add a Pletscher rear rack or a stout Nitto if I find a deal.

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 9:23:47 PM UTC-6, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
> Nathan,
>
> the same. a 51 but with canti posts, ala the ones that were in the garage 
> sale frames. 
>
> i'm afraid it'll be a while until i can have it but i'd love to know how 
> you plan on building yours up?
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 10:19:04 PM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>
>> Hello Michael,
>> What size Sam are you ordering?
>> I’m 5’ 9” with a PBH of 80 and just got an orange 51 Caliper to build up.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 10:19:11 AM UTC-6, Michael Baquerizo 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Bill,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply. 
>>>
>>> I actually made this post close to a month ago but because I'm new it 
>>> took a bit to come through the woodwork. I've since done what I probably 
>>> should have done in the first place and went right to the source.
>>>
>>> I've a PBH of around 80 or so, and spoke with Vince at RBW and think i'm 
>>> getting myself a Hillborne. I went in wanting a Hunqapillar but because of 
>>> what you said (built by mark) I think i'd be in over my head in expenses. I 
>>> think i've successfully talked myself into the Sam, and will probably 
>>> receive it in a color besides Orange.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply - 
>>>
>>> Stil
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 11:03:39 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, if you wanted to buy a previous production model, for which they 
>>>> have the design, they could get that built for you.  It's not entirely 
>>>> clear to me whether you would be buying something built by Waterford or by 
>>>> a small framebuilder like Mark Nobilette.  Let's say you wanted the old 
>>>> Atlantis, which finished out at costing ~$2600 from Waterford.  If you 
>>>> were 
>>>> dying for one of those, I imagine that you could order that from 
>>>> Rivendell.  If it is Waterford still, it probably would be a little more 
>>>> expensive and would take maybe 6 months.  If Rivendell sent the work to 
>>>> Nobilette, it would probably be a little more expensive than Waterford, 
>>>> and 
>>>> a little bit faster.  
>>>>
>>>> What old model is it that you want to buy?  What size?
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 6:42:12 AM UTC-8, Michael Baquerizo 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> New here, not so new to Rivendell. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I currently have a Bob Jackson Audax frame that I built up as close to 
>>>>> a rivendell as it possibly can be, but the allure of Riv still escapes 
>>>>> me. 
>>>>> Tires can only go so big, can no longer fit fenders, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think i'm a huge fan of the new longer chainstays. I live in 
>>>>> the NYC, don't think I need to be that long here as I mostly just use my 
>>>>> bike for fun and to commute occasionally. I'd happily buy something used 
>>>>> but would also consider something that Riv can build here for me, if it's 
>>>>> not too cost prohibitive.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen a post somewhere, not sure if directly on Riv's blug or 
>>>>> blagh, or here, about how certain no longer made models can still be made 
>>>>> in the US if one wished. Does anyone have an idea?
>>>>>
>>>>> This isn't an effort to buy something MUSA, i understand the 
>>>>> importance of that in certain situations but am perfectly happy to own 
>>>>> something MIT.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: What Can Rivendell Make That's Not Custom?

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello Michael,
What size Sam are you ordering?
I’m 5’ 9” with a PBH of 80 and just got an orange 51 Caliper to build up.


On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 10:19:11 AM UTC-6, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> Thanks for the reply. 
>
> I actually made this post close to a month ago but because I'm new it took 
> a bit to come through the woodwork. I've since done what I probably should 
> have done in the first place and went right to the source.
>
> I've a PBH of around 80 or so, and spoke with Vince at RBW and think i'm 
> getting myself a Hillborne. I went in wanting a Hunqapillar but because of 
> what you said (built by mark) I think i'd be in over my head in expenses. I 
> think i've successfully talked myself into the Sam, and will probably 
> receive it in a color besides Orange.
>
> Thanks for the reply - 
>
> Stil
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 11:03:39 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Yes, if you wanted to buy a previous production model, for which they 
>> have the design, they could get that built for you.  It's not entirely 
>> clear to me whether you would be buying something built by Waterford or by 
>> a small framebuilder like Mark Nobilette.  Let's say you wanted the old 
>> Atlantis, which finished out at costing ~$2600 from Waterford.  If you were 
>> dying for one of those, I imagine that you could order that from 
>> Rivendell.  If it is Waterford still, it probably would be a little more 
>> expensive and would take maybe 6 months.  If Rivendell sent the work to 
>> Nobilette, it would probably be a little more expensive than Waterford, and 
>> a little bit faster.  
>>
>> What old model is it that you want to buy?  What size?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 6:42:12 AM UTC-8, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> New here, not so new to Rivendell. 
>>>
>>> I currently have a Bob Jackson Audax frame that I built up as close to a 
>>> rivendell as it possibly can be, but the allure of Riv still escapes me. 
>>> Tires can only go so big, can no longer fit fenders, etc.
>>>
>>> I don't think i'm a huge fan of the new longer chainstays. I live in the 
>>> NYC, don't think I need to be that long here as I mostly just use my bike 
>>> for fun and to commute occasionally. I'd happily buy something used but 
>>> would also consider something that Riv can build here for me, if it's not 
>>> too cost prohibitive.
>>>
>>> I've seen a post somewhere, not sure if directly on Riv's blug or blagh, 
>>> or here, about how certain no longer made models can still be made in the 
>>> US if one wished. Does anyone have an idea?
>>>
>>> This isn't an effort to buy something MUSA, i understand the importance 
>>> of that in certain situations but am perfectly happy to own something MIT.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

[Nathan Mattia]

Thanks, Nick. That’s good information.  I honestly can’t imagine a bike being 
more stable than my Expedition. It rides like an 80s DeVille. Classy and solid. 
No phantom shifts, etc. But then, I’ve never taken it on a loaded tour yet. 
 Still, I think there may well be a Sam or a Homer in my future. 

Here are some pics of the Expedition before and after I began to Riv it up. 


https://www.flickr.com/photos/182771520@N04/albums/72157709763915627

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[RBW] FS: Berthoud Saddle, Sackville Barsack w/ Nitto F15, Carradice Saddlebag, Crust Towel Rack

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello Matt, I am interested in the Barsack with the Nitto F15.

can you email me at 
nathanmat...@gmail.com?
For some reason, I’m having trouble messaging you.
Thanks!!

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[RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

[Nathan Mattia]

Hello Posters!
I am currently struggling (2+ years later) with the same question as the OP 
here. 

I’m looking at an AHH and it’s looking at me and I’m wondering if there could 
be a love connection, BUT I already have an 83 Expedition set up like I would a 
Hilsen, and I’m wondering how alike they would be. 

Wgats the BB height on a 57 cm Hilsen?

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