Re: [RBW] film photos on bike rides

[Nick Payne]

I don't use film cameras any more, but I've been habitually cycling with a 
camera for almost 50 years. Some examples from film days, mostly taken with 
small cameras such as Olympus XA, but some taken with a Makina 67 rollfilm 
camera:

Various touring rides in the 1980s: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/GvbfFA7FMuTqbshL7.

These days I still photograph rides, but with digital cameras. I usually 
cycle with both a dedicated camera and a phone, but phone cameras are good 
enough these days that unless I need the extra reach of a camera lens, I 
mostly use the phone. Here's our last tour in Europe, where apart from the 
cycle racing in Innsbruck (2018 world championships), where the longer 
focal length and fast burst mode of the camera came into their own, I took 
nearly all the photos with my phone.

Europe 2018: https://photos.app.goo.gl/B2RriY2XXGPfh6VaA.

NIck Payne

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Re: [RBW] Silver Hub sound

[Nick Payne]

I have one pair of wheels built onto Onyx hubs, and because the rear hub 
uses a sprag clutch instead of pawls or a star ratchet like DT Swiss, they 
are completely silent when freewheeling. I find it very nice that when I'm 
stooging along out in the country and stop pedalling, I don't have any 
mechanical noise other than that of the tyres on the road.

I can't say that I really care for the look of their Vesper model hubs, 
which have scalloped edges on the hub flanges between the spoke holes and 
stepped diameters on the hub shell. I prefer the older "Classic" model I 
have (still available) that has a smoother outline. They're also pretty 
pricey - almost up in Chris King territory.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: How much can you vary wheel diameter and tire width without degrading handling?

[Nick Payne]

When I stopped racing it, I converted my old Litespeed race bike from 622 
wheels with 25mm tyres to 584 with 32mm tyres, as the chainstays on the 
Litespeed bow inwards, and the widest 622 tyre that would fit between the 
chainstays was 25mm. Because 584 rims are 19mm smaller radius, I could 
manage to fit a 32mm tyre. I can't say that I noticed a difference in the 
handling with the smaller wheels. With the lower bottom bracket I did have 
to avoid pedalling through fast corners.

I also have a disc brake minivelo, on which I run either 451 wheels with 
28mm tyres or 406 wheels with 44mm tyres. Other than the increased shock 
absorbtion with the larger tyres, I don't notice any difference in the 
handling there either.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[Nick Payne]

On Saturday 25 May 2024 at 2:31:29 am UTC+10 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

then folks decided *wireless* groupsets had to be a thing (first released 
only 4 years after the first iPad).


Long before that. Mavic Mektronic pre-dated the iPad by at least a decade, 
and its predecessor (Mavic Zap, which was wired, not wireless) by almost 
two decades.

I've been using SRAM eTap for almost a decade, with zero problems. I 
presently have it on three bikes - two with the original 11-speed Red eTap, 
and one with 12-speed, a mixture of Force shifters/brakes and Rival 
derailleurs.

Nick Payne 

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Re: [RBW] Re: TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[Nick Payne]

I have both Shimano and TRP RRL levers and prefer the TRP. For me the 
Shimano levers are a bit small, and I also frequently ride with the end of 
the hood in the middle of my palm, and prefer the more rounded shape of the 
TRP to the pointy Shimano hoods.

I take a 9½ or 10 in EU glove sizes, which is between L and XL US size.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Cameras On Bikes

[Nick Payne]

Back in film camera days I mainly used a succession of small 35mm cameras 
for cycling photography - Rollei 35, Olympus XA, Ricoh GR and GR21 - but I 
also occasionally carried a 120 roll file camera as well, either a 
YashicaMat 124G TLR or a Makina 67 folding rangefinder. With digital 
cameras, I've had a succession of the various Sony RX100 models - the 
original model, then the RX100 IV, which added a popup viewfinder, and 
currently the RX100 VII, which increased the focal range. These days, I 
travel with the RX100 VII and my phone, though I find that I mostly use the 
phone unless I need the longer focal length or burst mode of the dedicated 
camera.

Here's one tour shot with the Olympus XA: 
https://goo.gl/photos/U7H7PABV1r6QLLxN8
One shot with the Makina 67: https://goo.gl/photos/Mq1z4mycSFkQFdsd6
And our most recent tour in Europe, where I think virtually all the photos 
were taken with my phone (at the time, a Pixel 4), except for the photos of 
the racing at the cycling world championships in Innsbruck, where I used 
the RX100 for it's greater reach and fast burst mode: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/B2RriY2XXGPfh6VaA

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] WTB/ Rear Rack Advice

[Nick Payne]

I recently bought my wife a Tailfin rack plus panniers and rack top bag as 
a birthday present. Both the rack and panniers are very nicely made and 
very stable in use, but decidedly not cheap. I bought her the aluminium  
version of the rack, as I couldn't see the point in spending a wad of extra 
cash on the CF version to save 150g when you then hang 15 or 20kg of 
luggage on it. The rack can either mount to standard rack mounts or mounts 
to a special QR or thru-axle they provide if the frame doesn't have mount 
points or the mount points are already being used for mudguards. I bought 
both the QR and thru-axle mounts, as she has bikes with both axle systems. 
With the rack mounting to their axles, it's a matter of about a minute to 
transfer the rack between bikes.

https://www.tailfin.cc/product/pannier-racks/alloy-racks/alloy-rack/

https://off.road.cc/content/review/racks/tailfin-alloy-rack-review-9813

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Inexpensive rear light to mount on Seat stay - any suggestions

[Nick Payne]

Niterider have seatstay mounts for their taillights - not sold with the 
lights, unfortunately, you have to purchase the mount separately for about 
$5. They also sell a taillight rack mount as well, if you have a rear rack 
with a flange on it. I recently bought one of these, which is quite bright 
and has a good runtime, along with the seatstay mount:
https://www.niterider.com/collections/taillights/products/vmax-%E2%84%A2-150-bike-taillight
https://www.niterider.com/products/tail-light-mount-seatstay-and-seatpost

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Parts for Sale

[Nick A.]

PM sent!

Nick in Falls Church VA

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:48:40 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Thank you Doug. I'll let this beauty go to someone else the group. Good 
> luck with your sale!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 7:38:54 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> John,
>> I will attach the saddle photos to this reply.
>> [image: IMG_0655.JPG][image: IMG_0653.JPG][image: IMG_0652.JPG]
>>
>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 10:33:34 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Doug,
>>>
>>> I may be interested in the B17 saddle, but the link to your pics doesn't 
>>> seem to work for me.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 3:35:22 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have some parts that I've accumulated the past couple of years that I 
>>>> need to sell to clear some space in my work are.
>>>>
>>>>1. Velocity-built Dyad front wheel 36 spokes. Shimano 105 hub. 
>>>>Spins true with very few miles. I replaced it with a dynamo wheel. 
>>>> Silver 
>>>>rim and black hub. $140 shipped
>>>>2. Velo Orange Happy Stem: 110 mm 31.8 clamp silver $35 shipped
>>>>3. Shimano SPD SL clipless pedals with very little use $40 shipped
>>>>4. Garbaruk 40 tooth chainring cinch fit (RaceFace). Less than 200 
>>>>miles on it. Very little signs of use. 2.5 mm offset $45 shipped
>>>>5. MKS Sylvan Touring pedals like new $40 shipped
>>>>6. Brooks B17 narrow saddle with little use and treated $65 shipped
>>>>
>>>> Photos in this link Parts for Sale 
>>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/wNFQcskBqfBNBrvw6>
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>> Athens, Ga
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

[Nick Payne]

On Friday 26 April 2024 at 2:51:46 am UTC+10 Garth wrote:

Ebike chains come in extra long links. Figure out how much you need and buy 
one close.

 
^This. For my Appaloosa I bought a Wipperman Connex chain that had 136 
links. With 38/24 chainrings and an 11-40 cassette, that was easily long 
enough to cope with the long chainstays. As I recall, I had to remove six 
or eight links to get the correct length.

https://www.connexchain.com/en/bike-chains/detail/connex-11se

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

[Nick Payne]

Roeckl cycling gloves come in quite a selection of colours and patterns. I 
also find them extremely comfortable.

https://www.roeckl.de/#Multi:B2C/catalog/10

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] Re: Used but good ASC hub for $139 shipped from England, with usable shifter

[Nick A.]

Hiya Patrick, 
As someone who lives and rides in the wet and crowded Mid-Atlantic, I'm 
always interested to see what someone in the high desert gets excited 
about. IGH, tubeless, it goes on. Happy that you're sharing. It's why I'm 
here. 

Best
Nick "tubes and sometimes fenders" in FC VA

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 5:29:18 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> And sorry for the upside-down shell; trigger is rightside-up.
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 3:25 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 3:11 PM Ian A  wrote:
>>
>>> 1) Thank you for the correct use of "could not care less", instead of 
>>> the incorrect "could care less".
>>
>>
>> I confess that I caught myself using the wrong phrase, but catch it I did.
>>  
>>
>>> 2) We are still awaiting closure, from the original thread about this 
>>> exact hub, whether it is the genuine article.
>>>
>>
>> It is genuine; at least, this is the genuine shell, driver, and cog and 
>> indicator spindle. Might have AW innards, but again seller has vg rating.
>>  
>>
>>> 3) Wil this hub be rebuilt and reconditioned and if so, who will do 
>>> rebuild?
>>>
>>
>> Right now it is meant as a backup to the NOS ASC in use on the Matthews 
>> Riv clone. 
>>
>> I plan to open it up and clean and re-assemble, after practicing on a 
>> donated AW hub and on my long-unused S3X hub. By that time it might be too 
>> late to catch a crook, but I think I'll chance it. I've got until the end 
>> of May to send it to Seattle to get Aaron's review.
>>  
>>
>>> 4) Pictures or it didn't happen (even if it did).
>>>
>>
>> Attached, with a photo of the NDS and DS of the NOS one currently in use. 
>>
>>>
>>> IanA Alberta Canada 
>>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 1:33:36 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know that this list could not care less about hub gears, but I'm 
>>>> chuffed, as they say. I got a  used but still vg (per the seller with high 
>>>> rating; must disassemble and see for myself; has 50 or 60 years of dried 
>>>> lubricant inside) Holy Grail of hub gears, a 1950 ASC, missing proprietary 
>>>> shifter, but with the sole other SA shifter that can be modified (and may 
>>>> have been modified already; have question in to seller) for the peculiar 
>>>> cable pull required by this hub.
>>>>
>>>> It is a backup/eventual parts donor for the NOS one currently in use in 
>>>> the Matthews Riv Road errand clone that was modified by Aaron in Seattle 
>>>> with a modern, 32-hole aluminum shell (with properly modern thick 
>>>> flanges!) 
>>>> and threaded driver (instead of proprietary 12-spline driver for very rare 
>>>> 1/8" proprietary SA cogs) for either Surly fixed cog (currently 17 t 
>>>> 3/32") 
>>>> or ss freewheel. I've been riding this hub instead of the earlier AM 
>>>> because it has better ratios: direct/high/3rd, 90%/underdrive/2nd, and 
>>>> 75%/underdrive/1st, for 72"/65"/54" instead of the AM's freewheel 75"/115% 
>>>> overdrive/third, 65" direct/second, and 56" 86.54%/underdrive/first. The 
>>>> 3rd-2nd gap is better on the ASC.
>>>>
>>>> And it's all silver! With aluminum shell.
>>>>
>>>> Just made a short but very pleasant detoured grocery run, carrying home 
>>>> 39 lb in front and rear Ortlieb roll-tops.
>>>>
>>>> I know you don't care, but I do and I had to crow.
>>>>
>>>> Over and out.
>>>>
>>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Nick A.]

"Me: Well…not necessarily. I have to weigh out all the pros and cons, you 
see."

Lol yep. To quote The Dude, "the ins, the outs, the what-have-yous..."

Also one enjoying this conversation.

Nick "definitely totally haven't had to talk about bikes in this way with 
my partner who shares a life with an eccentric" in Falls Church VA

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 9:48:46 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> I haven’t read all the posts (so many, wow!) but I suggest trying a bike 
> with drop bars to see if it’s a possibility for you.  A friend, or an lbs 
> perhaps.  If the bike fits you well the bars might feel great, or something 
> you think can grown on you with time.  Bad fit and likely the bars wouldn’t 
> feel good, so that wouldn’t be a fair assessment.
>
> I love my newish Roadini.
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 3:33:50 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take 
>> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem 
>> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. 
>> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in 
>> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a 
>> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the 
>> youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendells in South Korea

[Nick A.]

Very glad to see you over here Marcus. Love your work, thank you for 
bringing us along. I agree with Jay; as someone who lives over in the DC 
area of the USA, it's a real treat to see your cool part of the world.

Best,
Nick in Falls Church VA

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 9:54:43 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> Hi Marcus.  I’ve really enjoyed all your videos so far; great start! 
>  Refreshing to see vlogs in another part of the world.  Korea looks very 
> interesting.
>
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 1:10:28 PM UTC-4 probablyri...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello fellow Rivendell enthusiasts,
>>
>> I'm Marcus, I live in Seoul, South Korea and am probably riding one of my 
>> Rivs around. I recently started a Youtube channel and thought some people 
>> on here might be interested in seeing it. I have some bike checks of my 
>> Clem, Romulus, Atlantis and Velo Orange Polyvalent but it's mostly 
>> showcasing what cycling in Korea is like. 
>>
>> I hope it's ok to post here and hope you enjoy!  Probably Riding - 
>> YouTube <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQEDB9BVgbMKF8gaOW75WGQ>
>>
>> Thanks for all of your discussions on this group!
>>
>> Marcus
>>
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Re: [RBW] Snapped Clem seat binder bolt

[Nick Payne]

On Monday 15 April 2024 at 4:11:18 am UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:

I've come across several 26.8-post Rivs where the stock post actually 
seemed to be 26.7. If you're using the stocker I'd ditch it for a Nitto.


On my Appaloosa the internal diameter of the seat tube was actually 
slightly over 26.8. I tried three different 26.8 posts I had, including the 
one supplied with the frame, and they were all slightly loose with the 
binder bolt not tightened. As I had a 27.0 Nitto and an adjustable reamer, 
I reamed the seat tube so that the 27.0 post was an exact fit in the seat 
tube.

Nick Payne 

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[RBW] Hello from Ireland

[st nick]

Nick,
I add my welcome to the group greetings.
>From what I understand I have ancestral connections generations backto 
>Scotland and Ireland.
I've always wanted to visit.
I'll enjoy any ride accounts and pictures you share.
Paul in Dallas,TXbox_liam on Instagram 

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[RBW] Texas Riv Ride Your Age Accomplished

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Thank you.
Nick , that's a good idea... perhaps metric equivalent next year.
Paul in Dallas box_liam on Instagram 

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Re: [RBW] Texas Riv Ride Your Age Accomplished

[Nick Payne]

It's a bit easier in this country with metric units. One of our cycling 
friends who recently turned 80 celebrated his birthday with an 80km ride.

Nick Payne
Canberra

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[RBW] Re: 34 T cassette deraailleur clearance

[Nick A.]

Hey there Bernard. Not sure about the answer to your first question but 
shifting under load always kinda changes the situation a bit in my 
experience. As for the Altus, I'm running an 11-34 10s cassette via 
friction and it works a treat. 

Happy shifting!
Nick in FC

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 5:30:52 PM UTC-4 Bernard Duhon wrote:

>  
>  
> Brain Trust,
> I have a 34 tooth 9 speed cassette recently installed.
> Am friction shifting
>  
> Have a campy chorus 10 speed rear derailleur that just barely clears the 
> 34 th tooth.
>  
> Bought a Shimano Altus Rd M310 in anticipation of the chorus not clearing 
> the 34th tooth. 
>  
> Grant P said the Altus will friction to 9 sp tho designed to index 7 & 8.
>  
> Two questions
>  
>
>1. I am looking for trouble by have the Campy derailleur that barely 
>clears the largest cassette?
>2. Will the Altus provide greater clearance?. 
>
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Paul Racer rear mount bolt length needed

[Nick Payne]

I have a pair of Paul Racer centre-mount brakes, bought quite a few years 
ago, that I finally got around to fitting to a bike. However, although the 
two boxes the brakes came in are clearly marked as being one front and one 
rear, both brakes have the long bolt needed for mounting on the fork. 
Rather than faff around trying to get the correct bolt off the supplier, I 
was either going to cut down the existing bolt once I know what length is 
needed, or try for the correct bolt at a local hardware store that 
specializes in nuts and bolts. Does anyone know what length of bolt I need 
for fitting to the seatstay bridge (recessed allen-head fitting on the 
bridge)?

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] Re: Campy Hub Shimano cassette??? or 34 tooth cog

[Nick Payne]

Campagnolo make Shimano-compatible freehubs for some of their wheels/hubs. 
I've had one in use on a wheel built with a Campagnolo Record hub for at 
least 15 years. Google "campagnolo shimano freehub body" (without quotes).

e.g. 
https://www.rosebikes.com/campagnolo-9-10-11-speed-freehub-body-for-shimano-cassettes-739505

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Re: [RBW] Gearing Choices

[Nick Payne]

I've attached a gearing spreadsheet I use, which allows me to easily 
compare three different gearing setups in the one sheet. It's in ODS 
(OpenOffice) format, but I believe that Excel can open and read that 
format. It also shows speed in each gear at a specified cadence - I have 
speed as KPH because we use metric in this country - if you want MPH 
values, just modify the speed formulas to divide the KPH values by 1.609.

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[RBW] Philadelphia Bike Expo March 16 - 17

[st nick]

Thanks to everyone sharing the Bike Expo info and pictures.
It looks like a remarkably great time was had by all.
I would love to attend one year.
At one point a few years back a Custom bike show was planned for Dallas, TX but 
that was when all the  C_vid stuff was going on and it was cancelled.
Paul in Dallasalso liam_box on instagram.

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[RBW] Re: Ride Reports - Where You Defied the Weather

[Nick Payne]

About 40 years ago, when I was a racing cyclist, I rode in an early season 
spring race (three laps of a 50km circuit) that started in nice sunny 
conditions with the temperature somewhere around 60-65F, so we all started 
in shorts and short sleeves. Towards the end of the second lap, the wind 
started to pick up and rather black clouds started rolling in, and shortly 
after we started the final lap, it started to rain and the temperature 
dropped quite noticeably. With about 30km left it started to hail and the 
wind increased and the temperature dropped further. By the time we finished 
(in dribs and drabs, my wife who was at the finish line told me that the 
largest bunch she saw finishing was three or four riders), there was 
several inches of hail on the ground, and my fingers were so cold that I 
couldn't feel what I was touching. I was shaking uncontrollably, and had 
real trouble undoing my toestraps so that I could get my feet out of the 
pedals. I saw some cyclists who couldn't manage to get their toestraps 
loosened at all - when they came to a halt, they just toppled over 
sideways. It's by far the coldest I can remember getting on a bike in over 
half a century of cycling.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Nick Payne]

If you want silver (as in unpainted metal) hubs, the White Industries MI5 
hubs are nice.

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Nick A.]

I also have only one Rivendell, and it is also the rainbow tube Atlantis. I 
agree very much with my fellow one-Riv rider.

My grandfather moved in with us in my senior year of high school, and 
brought with him a mid-90s Cadillac DeVille. Two bench seats, automatic 
shifting on the column. Not the fastest car on the road by any means, but 
it was like driving a living room sofa. Such a unique and wonderful 
experience. That, to me, has been my experience with the Atlantis. Rides 
like a Cadillac.

Nick in Falls Church, about 3k miles into the experience with my 2022 
Atlantis.

Best of luck on your decision.

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 6:11:20 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: IMG_1207.jpeg]
> I ride a fair amount and most of it is paved for my commute. I have one 
> Riv, an Atlantis, and it’s great for what I do with it. Currently, I have 
> it fendered and racked since it’s rainy here in San Francisco and I try to 
> ride most days. It’s not light, but it’s comfortable enough that I don’t 
> mind. I’m running some 2.25” tires which definitely help make it even more 
> plush and so very easy to ride miles and miles.
>
> I figure that you can’t go wrong with any Riv you choose, but I’d vote for 
> the Atlantis before any other. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Saddlebag Grip R50

[Nick Payne]

Alex's Cycle in Japan have them: 
https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-r-50-saddle-bag-supporter-1.

NIck Payne

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[RBW] Re: Possum

[Nick A.]

Hi Pam, hope you had a lovely ride. Thanks for sharing the look of the 
much-shorter-snouted island cousin of our usual fare here in the US. 

Nick A in Falls Church VA

On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 7:46:05 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Yesterday I took a day trip from Charlotte to Burlington, NC.  I went to 
> the Textile Museum at Glencoe Village.  There was an Australian possum.  
> I've wondered what they looked like and how different they are.  I love my 
> possum wool neck gaiter.  [image: IMG_7124.JPG][image: IMG_7123.JPG]

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[RBW] Sam Hillborne Pictures Thread

[st nick]

It is fun to see the variety of builds on the Sam's.
It looks like the majority have some type of upright / swept back style 
handlebarsalthough of course the Sam is so versatile to accommodate a road bar 
if preferred .
If recalling correctly I saw orange, silver, light blue , green, black and a 
yellow perhaps mustard like color Sam. (Not sure what Riv called it)
Cool stuff.
I'm enjoying the thread.
Paul in Dallas 

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[RBW] Re: Single Chain for Your Long-Stay Bike

[Nick Payne]

I bought a 136 link Wipperman 11se chain for my Appaloosa. Can't remember 
how many excess links I removed to get the correct length chain with a 38t 
big chainring and 11-40 cassette:

https://www.connexchain.com/en/bike-chains/detail/connex-11se

They also make the same length chain in 7/8/9/10-speed, and other 
manufacturers (eg YBN, BBB, KMC) offer the same 136 link length as well.

NIck Payne

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[RBW] Manivelle basket rack on Sam Hillborne

[st nick]

Thank you Brenton and Timothy for the replies.
I appreciate it.
It's a gorgeous day in the Dallas Texas area today so I hope to get in a nice 
ride on this terrific bike.
Paul in Dallas

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Re: [RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[Nick Payne]

Nick, I believe your currency setting on the Analog website is set to 
Australian dollars

 Ok, that explains it. Though it's rather misleading for a US website that 
I've not previously visited to automatically show me the price not in $US 
with no indication of whose dollars unless I scroll to the bottom of the 
page. They're doing themselves a disservice, as if I'd been wanting to 
purchase those cranks, I would have skipped them as having too high a 
price. Every other website I have used that allows me to change currency 
denomination from the default for the country it's based in requires me to 
make an explicit choice.

I do have a pair of those Carmina cranks on a bike, and they are nice, 
though I think the TA Zephyr cranks on our tandem are even nicer. 
Unfortunately the Zephyr are no longer in production.

Nick Payne 

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[RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[Nick Payne]

When I look at Peter White's website, he sells a pair of Carmina crankarms 
for $243, spider for $92, and a pair of TA chainrings will set you back 
another $100 or so. That's around a $250 saving over the Analog Cycles 
price...

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Susie Build

[Nick Shoemaker]

Love your build, Ben! (probably because it reminds me a bit of my blue Clem 
trail bike...) Any tips on the Newbaums-over-Ergons treatment? I love my 
Ergons for their, uh, ergonomics, but yours look so much nicer with the 
tape on top! Shellac, or no?

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 9:15:32 PM UTC-5 Ben Hannon wrote:

> Thanks everyone!
>
> Regarding the cliffhangers, these are set up tubed, but I do have a pair 
> in 26 that have been tubeless for over a year without issues.
>
> Grips are ergon ga-3s wrapped in newbaums, correct. No issues with the 
> 26.0 in 25.4. I think the argument could be made that it's less likely to 
> slip, but I haven't tested it on too rugged of trails yet.
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 8:01:14 PM UTC-6 kiziria...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Also, the 25.4 faceplater had no issues clamping that 26.0 handlebar?
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 5:59:18 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations! Looks ready to make some great memories. 
>>>
>>> Looks like grips are some Ergon's wrapped in newbaums?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 thetaper...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 There is nothing quite like the look of a fillet-brazed ATB. Beautiful 
 build.

 On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 6:21:32 PM UTC-5 DTL wrote:

> That is a handsome bike!
> Did you set the Cliffhangers up tubeless? If so how did it go?
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:23:06 AM UTC+11 Ben Hannon wrote:
>
>> I bought a susie frame from a group member here so I figured I'd 
>> share the end product.
>>
>> Wolbis Slugstone 
>> 
>>
>> Part list:
>> Teravail 2.5/2.6 knobbies
>> velocity cliff hangers
>> shutter precision dynamo front hub
>> shimano something or other rear hub
>> thomson masterpiece setback
>> brooks b72
>> nitto fillet faceplater 80mm
>> uncle rhondas upright bath bars
>> sugino crank 175mm with 36/26 
>> dura-ace 2 by FD
>> altus RD
>> jim 7 speed casette
>> riv shifters
>> deore.v brakes
>>
>> Also, if anyone has a fillet faceplater in 10 and wants to trade for 
>> 8 let me know!
>>
>> Ben in Chicago
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie Build

[Nick A.]

There is nothing quite like the look of a fillet-brazed ATB. Beautiful 
build.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 6:21:32 PM UTC-5 DTL wrote:

> That is a handsome bike!
> Did you set the Cliffhangers up tubeless? If so how did it go?
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:23:06 AM UTC+11 Ben Hannon wrote:
>
>> I bought a susie frame from a group member here so I figured I'd share 
>> the end product.
>>
>> Wolbis Slugstone 
>> 
>>
>> Part list:
>> Teravail 2.5/2.6 knobbies
>> velocity cliff hangers
>> shutter precision dynamo front hub
>> shimano something or other rear hub
>> thomson masterpiece setback
>> brooks b72
>> nitto fillet faceplater 80mm
>> uncle rhondas upright bath bars
>> sugino crank 175mm with 36/26 
>> dura-ace 2 by FD
>> altus RD
>> jim 7 speed casette
>> riv shifters
>> deore.v brakes
>>
>> Also, if anyone has a fillet faceplater in 10 and wants to trade for 8 
>> let me know!
>>
>> Ben in Chicago
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[Nick Payne]

p.s. Here's a quite interesting video showing the manufacture of the 
Berthoud saddles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0OeHK6sVEw.

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Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[Nick Payne]

On Friday 2 February 2024 at 8:19:05 am UTC+11 matthew...@gmail.com wrote:

The Aspin is 18mm narrower than the B17- If you're trying to be comparable 
then the Aubisque/Vars/Mente City saddles would be a lot closer in 
dimensions. Aspin is 157mm, B17 is 175mm, and the Aubisque is 180mm.


I'll second the recommendation for the Aubisque/Vars/Mente (all three have 
exactly the same top: the Vars has Ti rails, the Aubisque stainless steel 
rails, the Mente the same but is cheaper as the top is fastened with rivets 
rather than bolts, so can't easily be replaced when needed). I have three 
of them on various bikes, two Vars and one Mente. I've been a user of 
Brooks Pro and B17 since the 1970s, but the Berthoud saddles are more 
comfortable for me.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Mainstream press article pushing steel bike?

[Nick Payne]

On Tuesday 30 January 2024 at 8:18:42 am UTC+11 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:

With all respect to Mr. Weiss, the logical material for racy/roady types is 
aluminum, not steel. 
Nearly as light as carbon, significantly more robust, cheaper, and has the 
modern look and feel.


Yes, I've shifted towards aluminium frames and disc brakes (alongside being 
a touring cyclist, I also raced for about 30 years). The last two frames 
I've bought have been that, and they both ride really nicely. Modern 
hydro-formed aluminium frames are a far cry from the uncomfortable beer can 
Cannondales of 25-30 years ago. And the price of both those aluminium 
frames I bought was about one third of the price of the Open U.P.P.E.R. 
carbon fibre frame that I bought half a dozen years ago.

If you walk into a bike shop and look at the same model bike that comes in 
both C-F and aluminium (e.g. Trek Emonda), for the same level of 
components, the bike with the C-F frame will be much more expensive. That 
frame will very probably be slightly lighter than the aluminium one, but if 
you built the Al frame with a much better level of compenents to bring it 
up to the same price, you'd probably make up for any difference in the 
frame weights, plus you also have a more durable frame and (hopefully) 
better performing and lasting components.

Nick Payne
  

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Re: [RBW] Riv's new handlebar bag

[Nick Payne]

On Thursday 21 December 2023 at 3:41:18 am UTC+11 campyo...@me.com wrote:

My biggest issue with handlebar bags of this type is that most designs have 
a tendency to sway forward and back and rely on complicated (and, IMHO 
ugly) systems of cords or straps lashed to the frame or handlebars to 
prevent sway.


I've been pretty impressed with the Routewerks handlebar bag that I bought 
about 18 months ago. It's well thought out and made, totally stable in use, 
and attaches and detaches from the mount in a couple fo seconds with a cam 
action similar to a quick release. I got two mounts with it, so I can 
easily swap it between bikes.

https://routewerks.cc/

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Opinions sought - Platypus needs wheels

[Nick Shoemaker]

I’d opt for double butted spokes rather than straight gauge if you’re going 
to the trouble of having them built up. Stronger & lighter for just a 
couple bucks more. 
On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 9:12:42 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

>  When I built up my Platypus this past summer I borrowed the wheels off 
> of another bike - now I'm ready to give the Platy her very own 650b 
> wheels.
>
> The build is road oriented, intended mostly for day rides and maybe some 
> light touring. Currently running 38mm slicks but plan to replace them with 
> something in the 42 - 44mm range. The bike weighs a bit under 30 lbs and 
> I'm about 165 lbs. 
>
> I have a wheel set cued up with Pro Wheel Builders; Velocity Quill 32 hole 
> rims, straight gauge spokes,   and DT Swiss 350 hubs (the 2021 version). 
> I'm also considering letting Velocity build them for me using their Racer 
> hubs instead of the 350s. Before I pull the trigger though I'd love to hear 
> what thoughts or opinions others might have.  Thanks, Steve
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[RBW] Re: Silver2 cranks!

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 1 December 2023 at 1:11:08 am UTC+11 Bill Lindsay wrote:

The hidden arm was definitely invented just to make a different look, and 
we were supposed to think that look was preferable.

It does minimise the problem that some cranks have/have had where cracking 
develops at the join between the crank and adjacent spider arm because of 
the acute angle between them. I can remember having to retire a couple of 
Campagnolo Super Record cranks that I was racing on back in the 1980s 
because cracks had developed at this point. e.g. - This image is from 
pardo.net, but it's identical to the cracks I found.
[image: Dscn2410_640[1].jpg]
 

That said, it works out great for me that so many people seem to have such 
a hard time with hidden bolt cranks, because I've never had a problem with 
it, and your shared struggles has got to help drive the price down for me.  
Walking around my garage, there are four bikes with hidden arm Ritcheys, 
three with hidden arm Sugino, and two with hidden arm Campy.

Ditto here. There must be half a dozen bikes in our garage using cranks 
with the hidden chainring bolt behind the arm, and I've not had any 
problems changing chainrings on them.

Nick Payne 

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Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Nick A.]

Hi Sarah, I also fuel my engine with pie and love the triple crank on my 
commuter. It's 48-34-28, with a 12-36 9sp in rear. I love it and use that 
34t all the time to push around. Just the right range for hilly Northern VA.

Nick in Falls Church

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 7:47:53 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:

> If you’re spinning out the 42, many triple FDs and RDs will handle a 
> 24-36-46 with a 12-36. Alternately, you could use the 24-34-44 with an 
> 11-34 or 11-36, both of which are made in 9 speed. A 44x11 is easy math, 
> it’s the same 4:1 ratio that was the standard high gear when professional 
> racers ran a 42-52 up front with a 13-21 freewheel. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 6:11:51 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, going down hills in the 42 I am still spinning but then someone 
>> told me that is normal... I guess I am learning new things about riding 
>> since I've been out with a group. I'm going to do a triple on this one and 
>> see how it goes! I do like the sound of your set up with the 24-35-43 with 
>> 12 x 36. Gravity is inconvenient for me a lot these days because I like to 
>> fuel my engine with pie so I am looking forward to the 24! 
>>
>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:38:19 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:
>>
>>> If you say you live in your 34, but sometimes spin out, while wanting a 
>>> lower gear as well, then a triple is a good choice.
>>>
>>> You can set up the common 74/110 triple, like the Silver, Soma Clipper, 
>>> etc. as a 24-34-44, and pair that with a 12-36 in the rear and have your “3 
>>> cassettes on one bike” gearing. I use a 24-35-43 with a 12-36 on my 1998 
>>> Ibis Mojo “Mountain Bike that has become a Gravel Bike.” I use the 43 on 
>>> pavement, the 35 on almost all my off road riding, and the 24 when gravity 
>>> becomes inconvenient. Based on my riding, a 2x10 or 11 makes more sense, 
>>> but I’m cheap and lazy, so I’ll stick with the triple for some time.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 7:24:42 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is gearing math I can understand... there is a Papa bear, and Mama 
>>>> bear, and a Baby bear... and something that will be just right for 
>>>> everyone!
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> IMO redundant gears are more of a conceptual or theoretical concern 
>>>>> than a real issue. If you’re setting up a triple, you really end up with:
>>>>>
>>>>> - a middle ring for the majority of your riding 
>>>>> - a small ring for big hills, use it with the biggest cogs in back
>>>>> - a big ring for downhills or otherwise going fast. Use it with your 
>>>>> medium and small cogs and back. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, your small/small and big/big combos will give you those redundant 
>>>>> gears, but who cares? You don’t need to use them anyway. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric 
>>>>> Who lives the 1x life in flat central Ohio 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, November 27, 2023, Sarah Carlson  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm 
>>>>>> telling myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible 
>>>>>> thing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, 
>>>>>>> which is something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible 
>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>> their own practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a 
>>>>>>> drivetrain by identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how 
>>>>>>> high 
>>>>>>> you want your high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly 
>>>>>>> combination to get there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that 
>>>>>>> you'll find that you need to drop into the small ring for every hill, 
>>>>>>> whereas if you have a triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring 
>>>>>>> most of the time and save a lot of front shifts, even though you have 
>>>>>>> more 
>>>>>>> rings up there. 
>>>>>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Nick A.]

 I'm loving the idea of a Riv Ride East somewhere here in the DMV, it 
sounds like an absolute treat. We would have a lot of options in regards to 
routes around here. 

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 11:35:02 AM UTC-5 dpe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Id be interested too. From western NC
>
> On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 1:16:11 PM UTC-5 ryan.o...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I’d be interested. (In NYC.) Whether I can pull it off would depend on a 
>> bunch of factors. But would definitely prioritize. 
>> Sent from my mobile device. 
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2023, at 7:13 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> This all has me dreaming up a Riv owners overnighter or multi-day 
>> excursion along the C / W Would enough folks be interested in 
>> something like that? It’s a 7 hr drive for me to DC Metro area but I 
>> already make the trip once a year, so I have no problem doing it for a bike 
>> meetup!
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Looks fab, Nick. I've ridden just a little bit of the W out of 
>> Arlington to Mt. Vernon. I'm down the highway a piece in Fredericksburg. 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 7:40:52 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Nice day for a long bike ride Nick !  The fall lighting makes for lovely 
>>> photos indeed. 
>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 7:25:47 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nick, 
>>>>
>>>> Very fun! Nice write-up. Great look'n bike too. 
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:13:04 PM UTC-5 
>>>> thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again to you all for your kind responses!  
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill -- that snapper's claw wasthe size of a kid's hand. It was 
>>>>> probably about 20-22" long, and clearly the resident royalty for that 
>>>>> section of the canal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brians -- link to the route below. We took the W and cut north from 
>>>>> Leesburg on back roads to the Point of Rocks Bridge, which is very 
>>>>> traffic-laden and sketchy. There's one walkway on the northbound side 
>>>>> about 
>>>>> 30" wide and elevated 10" from the road. In hindsight, I should have 
>>>>> walked 
>>>>> it!
>>>>>
>>>>>  https://strava.app.link/rGHbmmzVPEb — Point of Rocks Loop Century
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick in FC
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:13:44 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, Nick… I would also be very interested in seeing your route. I’ve 
>>>>>> done the C several times, but had no idea there was a parallel rail 
>>>>>> trail 
>>>>>> across the Potomac starting at Point of Rocks, I assume? That seems like 
>>>>>> it 
>>>>>> would make a nice overnighter without having to retrace your route or 
>>>>>> get a 
>>>>>> shuttle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I spent a very harrowing night bike camping at one of those sites 
>>>>>> near Point of Rocks (Calico Rock, maybe?)… probably the worst storm I’ve 
>>>>>> ever been caught out in!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>> Lexington Ky
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Brian McDermott  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have 
>>>>>> ridden countless miles on the W ranging from skating to school on it 
>>>>>> when I was a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few 
>>>>>> years 
>>>>>> ago when my folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing 
>>>>>> your 
>>>>>> route and trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C last year from Pitt to 
>>>>>> DC 
>>>>>> on my Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee 
>>>>>> gave 
>>>>>> out on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This 
>>>>>> looks 
>>>>>> like it would be fun to try in the spring. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Nick A.]

Thanks again to you all for your kind responses!  

Bill -- that snapper's claw wasthe size of a kid's hand. It was probably 
about 20-22" long, and clearly the resident royalty for that section of the 
canal.

Brians -- link to the route below. We took the W and cut north from 
Leesburg on back roads to the Point of Rocks Bridge, which is very 
traffic-laden and sketchy. There's one walkway on the northbound side about 
30" wide and elevated 10" from the road. In hindsight, I should have walked 
it!

 https://strava.app.link/rGHbmmzVPEb — Point of Rocks Loop Century

Nick in FC

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:13:44 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes, Nick… I would also be very interested in seeing your route. I’ve done 
> the C several times, but had no idea there was a parallel rail trail 
> across the Potomac starting at Point of Rocks, I assume? That seems like it 
> would make a nice overnighter without having to retrace your route or get a 
> shuttle.
>
> I spent a very harrowing night bike camping at one of those sites near 
> Point of Rocks (Calico Rock, maybe?)… probably the worst storm I’ve ever 
> been caught out in!
>
> Brian
> Lexington Ky
>
> On Nov 18, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Brian McDermott  
> wrote:
>
> Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have ridden 
> countless miles on the W ranging from skating to school on it when I was 
> a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few years ago when my 
> folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing your route and 
> trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C last year from Pitt to DC on my 
> Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee gave out 
> on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This looks like 
> it would be fun to try in the spring. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock!  That guy 
>> is a bad ass.  
>> Excellent work 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 thetaper...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our 
>>> (the Atlantis and my) first century.
>>>
>>> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>>>
>>> First out to Leesburg on the W trail. It took a while for the sun to 
>>> peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
>>> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through clouds:
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
>>> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
>>> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural 
>>> roads in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
>>> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>>>
>>> And headed back to Georgetown on the C Canal towpath. Then on home 
>>> after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>>>
>>> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that 
>>> had an ecosystem living on its back:
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a 
>>> lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>>>
>>> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
>>> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
>>> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
>>> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable terrain 
>>> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>>>
>>> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Nick A.
>>> Falls Church VA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Nick A.]

You're all such a good bunch. Thanks for such supportive posts. 

Scott -- It may interest you to know that NOVA parks is, at long last, 
building a W trail bridge over Whiele Avenue. 

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 3:49:13 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:

> Nick,
>
> Congratulations on completing your first century! Thanks for the report 
> and all the pics. An ideal day and route for a century.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL 
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 3:32:14 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our 
>> (the Atlantis and my) first century.
>>
>> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>>
>> First out to Leesburg on the W trail. It took a while for the sun to 
>> peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost 
>> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through clouds:
>>
>> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural roads 
>> in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>>
>> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>>
>> And headed back to Georgetown on the C Canal towpath. Then on home 
>> after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W
>>
>> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>>
>> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that had 
>> an ecosystem living on its back:
>>
>> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>>
>> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a 
>> lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>>
>> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>>
>> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
>> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
>> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
>> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable terrain 
>> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>>
>> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>>
>> Nick A.
>> Falls Church VA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[Nick Shoemaker]

Folks - thank you so much for all of your incredibly helpful & thoughtful 
responses! I've read through each one multiple times and feel so much 
better informed now and can't wait to transition to the pedaling years with 
my son!

Nick

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:55:09 PM UTC-5 Nick Shoemaker wrote:

> Since RBW regrettably doesn't make kids hillibikes, I'm going to have to 
> go a bit outside of my comfort zone to pick out a first pedal bike for my 
> son. He's ~3.5yo, and more than ready to move up from his 12" balance bike.
>
> Any tips from other parents who have recently gone through the switch from 
> balance to pedals? I'm leaning toward something like a Woom 3 (16"), since 
> they seem to be very well regarded, and I'm afraid he would outgrow a 14" 
> bike too soon at this point to justify the expense. (am I wrong?) Probably 
> also worth noting that a lot of his riding is currently on trails, so I'm 
> definitely looking for something that will work well off-pavement, too. 
> Anyhow, I'll take any advice the group is willing to throw at me - thanks 
> in advance for your help!
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: Compliments

[Nick A.]

I've been lucky enough here in the D.C. area to receive a number of 
compliments for my Atlantis while out and about. Notably, many of the 
complimenters are gentleman older than I that always wanted a Riv but for 
whatever reason never pulled the trigger. Or, have never seen them in real 
life. They ask if it was worth it, and I say "yes" without hesitation. 

On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:07:08 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> My orange Rambouillet draws unsolicited compliments often. When riding The 
> Five Boro Ride in NYC a few years ago my wife was impressed by the number 
> of strangers who pulled alongside, took a long look at my bike and either 
> gave silent thumbs up or gave compliment to it. She noticed the relative 
> anonymity of all the CFRP bikes and how their riders looked dejected when 
> positive comments on my bike came. Near the Verrazano Narrows Bridge she 
> said "It's like we've been riding with 30,000 of your friends."
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our Rivendell 
>> bikes is that they get compliments.
>>
>> I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.  
>> https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA
>> For 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike (as they 
>> called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from fellow riders.
>> Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say - 
>> Sage Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously hitting 
>> the trail for exercise.
>>
>> Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and saying 
>> “Nice bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so it’s not 
>> tough to pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year.  It 
>> surprises me.
>>
>> A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a hard 
>> leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their carbon 
>> Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips. 
>>  Maybe he was a fly fisherman?
>>
>> It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys also 
>> stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to ride it 
>> (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many bikes…”)
>> It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, and on 
>> her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came home with 
>> smiles.
>>
>> Does this happen to you when you ride your Rivendell?  Tell us about the 
>> compliments you get.
>
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[RBW] Kid's First Pedal Bike (Riv parent edition)

[Nick Shoemaker]

Since RBW regrettably doesn't make kids hillibikes, I'm going to have to go 
a bit outside of my comfort zone to pick out a first pedal bike for my son. 
He's ~3.5yo, and more than ready to move up from his 12" balance bike.

Any tips from other parents who have recently gone through the switch from 
balance to pedals? I'm leaning toward something like a Woom 3 (16"), since 
they seem to be very well regarded, and I'm afraid he would outgrow a 14" 
bike too soon at this point to justify the expense. (am I wrong?) Probably 
also worth noting that a lot of his riding is currently on trails, so I'm 
definitely looking for something that will work well off-pavement, too. 
Anyhow, I'll take any advice the group is willing to throw at me - thanks 
in advance for your help!

Nick

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Floor Pump Head?

[Nick Shoemaker]

Haha, totally get that! I have to say, the durability & simplicity of the 
Lezyne screw on head has been fantastic - I'm just getting lazy in my old 
(mid-30s) age

Really appreciate all of the recommendations so far - the Silca that fits 
on a Schrader is very intriguing

On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:56:48 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> LOL, when I saw your subject line I was going to respond that my favorite 
> is the Lezyne screw on head.  Never mind me!  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 8:21:38 AM UTC-8 fiddl...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've had a Lezyne High Volume floor pump for about 10 years, and I'm 
>> kinda tired of screwing/unscrewing the head every time I inflate a tire 
>> (not to mention the times when the valve core comes out, too...) Does 
>> anyone have a reco for an inexpensive easy to use replacement head that I 
>> could install on my existing pump? Seems like the Riv pumps use a Topeak 
>> head, and I know Lezyne makes several different options, but I'm curious to 
>> hear the group's preferences & experiences.
>>
>> (I know I could also just buy the Plumpatire, but there's nothing wrong 
>> with my current also-wood-handled pump, so that feels a bit wasteful)
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Nick
>>
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[RBW] Favorite Floor Pump Head?

[Nick Shoemaker]

I've had a Lezyne High Volume floor pump for about 10 years, and I'm kinda 
tired of screwing/unscrewing the head every time I inflate a tire (not to 
mention the times when the valve core comes out, too...) Does anyone have a 
reco for an inexpensive easy to use replacement head that I could install 
on my existing pump? Seems like the Riv pumps use a Topeak head, and I know 
Lezyne makes several different options, but I'm curious to hear the group's 
preferences & experiences.

(I know I could also just buy the Plumpatire, but there's nothing wrong 
with my current also-wood-handled pump, so that feels a bit wasteful)

Thanks!
Nick

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[RBW] Re: Gus ride shaming

[Nick Shoemaker]

Wait a secaren't *we* the 'traditional' mountain bikers?! They're the 
ones who need motorcycle parts to ride on a trail through the woods

But yeah, I've rarely ridden my Clem on the local trails without some sort 
of passerby amazement/amusement.

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 9:17:49 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not really shamed but while having a really good ride at one of my 
> favorite trails I passed a couple of riders on their traditional mountain 
> bikes. They caught up to me in the parking lot when my bike was already 
> loaded into the car. They asked " was that you that passed us on a cruiser 
> bike?" And, "what kind of bike was that, a Breezer? I answered it was a 
> Rivendell. I do not think they had heard of that name. It was all good fun 
> and I took it as a compliment. I am in love with my new cockpit on this 
> bike.
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/VMbmV6jYNpQvtkNKA
>

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[RBW] Re: aluminum V steel rear rack

[Nick Payne]

We broke a couple of Blackburn aluminium racks on our tandem in the 1980s. 
They didn't seem to be able to cope with carrying the luggage requirements 
for two people cycle camping. To replace them I bought a pair of front and 
rear Bruce Gordon CrMo racks, and the same racks are still holding up fine 
almost 40 years later, though they're now pretty rusty. BG doesn't make 
racks any longer, but I've also had no problems using Tubus steel racks on 
my own tourer. I bought their stainless steel racks (Tara front, Fly rear).

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO New or Used Shimano Deore XT rear derailleur

[Nick Payne]

On Thursday, 12 October 2023 at 2:04:50 am UTC+11 aeroperf wrote:

Why not both?  You can still get a Shimano M591 new, though it is an older 
design, that works well with a 34-tooth cassette.  This is a solid, 
reliable design that Rivendell used to ship on their builds.  It is Deore, 
but not XT.  
A Deore XT equivalent like the M772 (also older design) is rated for 43 
teeth on the cassette


Did you accidentally type in 34 backwards? Because 34t is the nominal 
maximum cog size for the M772 RD - matching the largest CS-M770 9-speed 
cassette Shimano made. It usually copes with a 40t cog OK with the B screw 
in a few turns.

Nick Payne 

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[RBW] Recommendations on a budget 700c wheelset?

[st nick]

I've been entertaining the idea of ordering from this English company.
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Paul in Dallas 

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[RBW] What shoes does your Riv wear?

[st nick]

I'm running Soma Supple Vitesse EX in the 700 x 42 on my Sam Hillborne and like 
them a lot.
I think 380 g's for that size tire is not bad and the price is good.
I just saw on the Soma site they are no longer making that size. Here's their 
verbiage.(Sizes: 28c to 42c 23c (no longer made)
I haven't had any flats yet on them after around 300 to 400 miles.
In my area I'm always dodging glass.
I can't figure the mindset of the goofballs that through glass out on the 
pavement.Makes me want to cuss. Well, I do if I roll over it.
Someone else mentioned the Continental Contact Speed tires.I used them on other 
bikes in a 26" and 700c size and liked them.I guess they are discontinued now 
or at least hard to find. They wore very well for me.
Perhaps the Continental Contact Urban took over that spot.
I'm running the Contact Urban on bikes in a 26 x 2.20 and a 700c x 42 and they 
roll really well.No flats after several hundred miles.
I only run with inner tubes in all my bikes ... haven't tried tubeless yet.
This rolling resistance review guy gave them pretty good marks and a highly 
recommend status.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/continental-contact-urban

Paul in Dallas 


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[RBW] New Riv Day!!

[st nick]

That's a beauty Marc!
I add my congratulations.
Paul Cunningham in Dallas 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Nick A.]

I just installed "cool weather boots" on my Atlantis, a set of Soma 
Cazadero 700x50. I do love the handling with these tires compared to the 
Soma SV 700x42s that were just on. It feels even more planted and solid 
with the wider rubber, which is great for the time of year when cold and 
wet come into play.

Nick
Falls Church VA

On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:03:34 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 3:27:09 PM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Over the last few months, I've flatted three or four times on the RHes; 
> clearly, the tread has worn thin. I was discussing the issue with a 
> repairman at one of the local bike kitchens. He mentioned that GK Slicks 
> hold up fine, but it takes a while for the rubber to cure - several months, 
> or several hundred miles. Although that's in keeping with bike tire 
> traditions ("inflate your new tubulars on a rim and age them over the 
> winter" et al), it had never occurred to me that my shiny-new tires might 
> take a period of aging to be fully ready for road use. I've reinstalled the 
> GKs and put about 250 miles on them without incident. Maybe the intervening 
> 20 months has aged the rubber enough to stand up to small road hazards? 
> Fingers crossed...
>
>
> That seems unlikely to be true. As for your unluckiness with flats, I 
> think that's just a run of bad luck (running over glass at night). I have 
> not noticed that new tires puncture any less frequently than old tires. I 
> regularly run tires until the rubber wears away and I can see the nylon 
> cords below.  What I do notice is that some tires (e.g., the Continental 
> tires) have so much tread on them that the sidewalls are more likely to die 
> than the tread to wear out. But that may be that I ride more off pavement 
> on my tires than most, giving more opportunities to have cuts on the tire.
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Nick Payne]

Have you tried USB heated gloves? A friend we go riding with swears by them 
in winter, though I haven't used them myself. In winter here we're 
sometimes riding in temperatures of -5C or accasionally a couple of degrees 
colder (somewhere around 20F). At those temperatures I find that a pair of 
Roeckl lobster mitts over thin woolen gloves keep my fingers feeling OK. 
For feet I have a pair of Shimano winter shoes - I think the model is MW7. 
The best skullcaps for those sort of temperatures I've found, that will fit 
under a helmet, are made by Vaude.

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Upon a Clem?

[Nick Shoemaker]

Congrats on the new bike - you’re going to love it!That’s a Soma Deco 2 rack that I bought because my old rack wasn’t wide enough for my child seat. I’ve had zero issues since installing it, and the price was right:Soma Rear Rack Deco 2somafabshop.comOn Sep 27, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Jkarlin  wrote:Thanks y'all! And sorry for the typo in the title. (This was my first post in this google group, so it took a little while to go through.) I really appreciate the personal anecdotes and advice. I did end up talking to some of the guys at Riv, and they recommended I go with the 59, since my pbh is pretty much right in the middle of of the range for that size and this is my first Rivendell. They said I might want to size up if I end up loving their bikes and want another frame, but that the 59 is going to feel plenty luxurious compared to the road bike I'm doing everything on now. I did spring for their "you pick the fun stuff" build option--thought it would be worth it to have the bike built up by their own mechanics and that it would be fun to see whhat they choose. So I'll end up with the lime/olive frame, bosco bars, friction shifting, the triple crank, and whatever else they put on there to build it out (I'll put on mks lambda pedals and a brooks c17 )! Shipping ETA is late next week, and I'm super stoked. Thanks again for all the help! I am curious to know more about the make and model of the rear rack in the picture from "fiddleharpa"...On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 1:03:43 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:I don’t think there would be an issue at all. I had the Clem H in a 59 and have a 90.5 PBH. I had to use a 135 stem with the Tosco bars and was more upright than I’d prefer. I think it would be nicer without needing such a long stem. Bar choice will make a big difference though. On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 12:44:57 PM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:I have two, a Gus and an Appaloosa, and in both instances went with the recommended sizing. I think it comes down to preference as said before but also riding style. If you want to put drops on one of their bikes (not necessarily the Clem, but in general) and are accustomed to more traditional road fit then their recommendation or a size lower if you’re in the lower half of the recommended PBH has been recommended. If you want to run with swept back bars and a more upright position, go with their sizing  or up if you’re in the top half of the range.It’s also worth calling Riv and talking it out with one of the people at the shop. They’ll ask you all sorts of questions and can help you make a more informed decision.On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 3:00 PM Richard Rose <rmro...@gmail.com> wrote:Worth considering in this circumstance is how high you want your bars & how much stem you are comfortable with exposing. I ride a 52 & need the bars high. My FacePlater stem  is nearly maxed out & I need the 135 extension to make it work. I could definitely ride the 59 & if I did I could use a shorter stem that would be inserted quite a bit more. In addition, that would put me on a 700c bike vs. a 27.5” one. I am very happy with what I have. Hope that helps.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 27, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Nick Shoemaker <fiddl...@gmail.com> wrote:I'm ~6'1 with a 91-92 PBH and ride a 64cm Clem - no regrets based on my usage as a Trail Bike/Kid-hauler (it's the best bike ever, in fact!). It's honestly the first bike I've ever had that really feels like it fits me:The only thing you might want to consider is if the 64 will fit your bike rack, etc. It's too long for a lot of standard racks, but I recently upgraded to a 1UP hitch rack and it fits very securely without modification. Here's what it looks like barely squeezing onto a standard roof rack...On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-4 Jkarlin wrote:Hi everyone, I'm looking to get into the Rivendell world with one of their complete Clems. I measured my pbh at 90, which puts me pretty squarely in the 59cm range. I wondering if any of y'all have enjoyed sizing up--according to the website, the 64cm would be doable for me. I'm just wondering if it'll be good, or if it'll be a gamble. 64cm just seems like a lot more bike than I'm used to! (I'm currently on a 58cm Nishiki International for everything. It's a great road bike, but I'm looking for something with more commuting, utility, and trail capability.)Sorry if this has already been addressed somewhere else in the group.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Nick Payne]

This is my choice for style on a bike. Rudi Altig having a feed during a 
1964 TdF stage, pedalling with one foot and steering with the other:

[image: altig.jpg]

He died in 2016, but he was still riding a bike until shortly before then - 
he was one of the three cyclists in the arte.tv series on the North Sea 
cycle route that that was broadcast about ten years ago.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: First ride report from Western PA

[Nick Payne]

On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 10:32:26 am UTC+10 J wrote:

I think only Apple users can view these


No, I can view HEIC images on Windows 11 using the  Paint application from 
Microsoft.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Stuck shifter cable head

[Nick Payne]

Cables for Campagnolo shifters have a slightly smaller head than those for 
Shimano/SRAM, by about 0.1-0.2mm. If you install a Shimano/SRAM cable in a 
Campagnolo shifter, you'll have similar problems trying to extract it when 
it needs replacing.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] A Trek Inspired Build of a Vintage Trek

[st nick]

I meant subject line title to be'Riv Inspired Build of a Vintage Trek'.
Oh well.
Hopefully most understood.
Paul in Dallas 

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Re: [RBW] FS: Ron's Ortho, Ritchey, Real, XTR, VO, Paul

[Nick A.]

+1!

On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 11:42:59 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> PM sent!
>
> On Aug 30, 2023, at 11:18 PM, Eliot B  wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
>
> I'm probably going to regret this but I assembled what is in my opinion, 
> the best possible flat bar setup. Vintage machined aluminum Real Design 
> brake levers with option for short or long pull cable placement. XTR metal 
> paddle rapid fire shifters (3x9). Uncut, brand new Ron's ortho bars. 130mm 
> Ritchey Force Stem.
>
> I decided to go with my Noodle setup on the Atlantis and wont have another 
> bike for these to go on for quite a while. Hoping to sell this cockpit as a 
> group. Looking for $500 OBO
>
> Also selling some gold paul moon units for $30, 8 speed XTR cassette for 
> $50 and VO Grand Crew skewers for $25.
>
> LMK if anyone is interested.
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjzRCki
>
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[RBW] Re: Rear derailleur for Deore XT M8000 11-speed 11-42 w silver2 shifters

[Nick A.]

This may be a job for the new Acera M-3020 RD! Russ (previously mentioned) 
has a great video where he tries it on a number of different setups and it 
seems to run 42T with aplomb. 

On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 3:15:50 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: greg_L_rig - 51 cog mullet from a custumer from Rivendell.webp 
> (26_).png]
>
> FWIW, I found this on one of the Grant's Blougs a while back.  I had no 
> interest in going to a 51T cassette. However, I tried a SunRace 9-speed 46T 
> cassette with the same configuration. It worked, but I did not  like the 
> cog spacing as much as my SunRace 9-speed 40T cassette, so I switched it 
> out. 
>
> Any one want to buy a silver SunRace CM983 11-46T 9-speed cassette with 
> very low miles, less than 10 miles ?
>
> I am very comfortable with my set-up now with 34/20T upfront and 1-40T in 
> the back on my Clem Smith Jr. "L".
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:18:52 AM UTC-7 Stephanie A. wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Erik! I was hoping you or Jason Fuller would respond--I saw 
>> several posts where both of you mention running 1x11 with friction shifters 
>> but couldn't tell from the photos which RDs either of you were using. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:43:17 PM UTC-4 Erik wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 442536AA-AA8E-4498-B992-2C9B82D91A03.jpeg]Hi Stephanie. I had 
>>> great success with a Shimano XT M772 (so called “shadow” model) with Silver 
>>> 2 and an 11-50 11spd cassette. I had to use a drop link (Wolf Tooth) but it 
>>> worked like a charm and easily shifted through all 11 cogs. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:32:25 AM UTC-7 Stephanie A. wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone! I'm here, once again, to humbly seek out your advice. I've 
 combed through the (many, many) results here on 1x11 drivetrains and still 
 have two questions. I am using a silver2 shifter.

 1. Has anyone been able to get a Shimano Altus/M310 to shift 11 speeds 
 to a rear cog with 42t? I can get it to 37t but no farther.

 2. If you have successfully used silver2 shifters with an 11-speed 
 cassette and ≥42t cog, what derailleur did you use? Am I best off with the 
 Shimano M8000? REI currently has a sale on Shimano Alivio M3100-SGS 9, 
 Shimano Deore M5120-SGS 10/11, M4120-SGS 10/11.

 Signed,
 Stephanie, who chose parts to help her spouse turn the bike he has into 
 a bike that he loves knowing that the OEM Altus likely wouldn't get to all 
 11 cogs on the new cassette (which, even with only 10 usable cogs gives 
 him 
 more options where he needed them than his previous setup)

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26” MTB Tire Advice

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Good call - Ikon 2.2 is a goodie. Seems to last forever and was easier to mount tubeless than Schwalbes. I’d personally be sketched out with one on the front, but loved it as a rear tire in the summer.On Aug 25, 2023, at 11:03 PM, Hoch in ut  wrote:A good all-around tire is the Maxxis Ikon in 26 x 2.2. Rolls pretty fast and has decent grip. I love it for XC rides. I put a pair on a 90’s Stumpjumper a couple of years ago. Great tire. Not that expensive, either. On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 9:59:55 AM UTC-6 Bones wrote:I recently pulled my wife’s old Cannondale F5 hardtail out of hibernation with the intention of moving it along, but she now has a renewed interest in it. It cleaned up nicely, but the tires are falling apart. It looks like it can comfortably fit a 26x2.25, but I haven’t used a 26” tire since the early 90’s so I don’t know where to start. If anyone can point me to to a decent all around trail tire that doesn’t break the bank, I’d greatly appreciate it.Bones



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[RBW] Re: 26” MTB Tire Advice

[Nick Shoemaker]

My go-to 26 MTB tires in order of aggressiveness:

Hans Dampf
Nobby Nic
Mezcal

HD/NN is about perfect for year round singletrack in East Tennessee. 
NN/Mezcal would be great for ~50% singletrack. Regardless, it rarely makes 
sense to have the same tire F/R - a few extra grams on a good front tire is 
s worth it

General tips for 26” in ‘23

1) Max out your front tire - if a big 2.4 will fit it makes a huge 
difference in grip & confidence (Ardent 2.4 was a one time fave - way 
bigger than a Schwalbe 2.35)

2) Tubeless if you can

3) get the good versions of a given tread (I.e. snakeskin, exo, tnt with 
good sticky rubber).

4) order from Europe if you want to save some $ (I’ve had luck with bikeinn 
for Schwalbe & Vittoria)

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:59:55 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> I recently pulled my wife’s old Cannondale F5 hardtail out of hibernation 
> with the intention of moving it along, but she now has a renewed interest 
> in it. It cleaned up nicely, but the tires are falling apart. It looks like 
> it can comfortably fit a 26x2.25, but I haven’t used a 26” tire since the 
> early 90’s so I don’t know where to start. If anyone can point me to to a 
> decent all around trail tire that doesn’t break the bank, I’d greatly 
> appreciate it.
>
> Bones
>

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[RBW] Re: Saris Freedom and Clem 64

[Nick Shoemaker]

I’ve gotten my 64 to fit in an older version of that rack - you can make it 
work, but the tires won’t quite fit down in the tray. It’s secure, if not 
confidence-inspiring.

I recently upgraded to a 1up and it’s dreamy - plenty of space for all that 
wonderful wheelbase!

On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 1:54:23 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Does anyone here know if I can fit a Clem 64 on a Saris Freedom EX-2 hitch 
> rack?
>
> The spec for the rack says up to 50” wheelbase and this Clem measures 52” 
> center of hub to center of hub.
>
> Thanks
> Max
>
> PS I saw there used to be a long wheelbase bar but they seem to be out of 
> stock everywhere.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[Nick Payne]

On Sunday, 13 August 2023 at 2:58:09 am UTC+10 jonathan@gmail.com wrote:

Reaming has crossed my mind and I know riv uses thicker walled tubing than 
most, but I still wanted to avoid it. How has it been holding up for you? 
Do you think 27.2 is possible? I would've much rather had that size from 
the get-go, I didn't realize how rare 26.8 is becoming.


Provided that brazing the seat tube into the lug hasn't distorted the seat 
tube significantly out of round, it shouldn't be a problem. I've certainly 
had no problem with the frame that I reamed to 27.0. 27.2mm became the 
defacto standard as it was the seatpost size used on most frames built with 
Reynolds 531C.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Comfy aluminum frames?

[Nick Payne]

On Saturday, 12 August 2023 at 4:20:00 pm UTC+10 Jason Fuller wrote:

I was hoping I could track down what I had read not long ago on some very 
interesting thin-wall aluminum bikes that were produced in, I believe, the 
1980s. With aluminum lugged construction if I'm recalling correctly. 
Apparently they rode wonderfully and are nothing like the big-box aluminum 
bikes we're used to today.


There's a good article on these frames here: 
https://on-the-drops.blogspot.com/2016/12/the-peugeot-px-10du-vitus-979.html
.

Back in the late 1980s I had an SR Litage, which was similar to the Vitus 
in that it used normal diameter aluminium tubes with lugs bonded internally 
to the tubes. With the aluminium fork, it was an extremely comfortable bike 
to ride - I can remember using it for an Audax 1000 fitted with really 
skinny 19mm tyres, so that I could shoehorn mudguards onto a bike not 
designed for them, and finding that it was perfectly comfortable over that 
distance. Unfortunately the bike was stolen out of my house in the early 
90s, and I never acquired another aluminium frame until the Mason that I 
bought recently.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations

[Nick Payne]

I use and like the Schwalbe Marathon Almotion in 55mm. They also make it in 
50mm width. They make two variations, one intended for use with tubes 
(V-Guard) and the other as tubeless (RaceGuard). The V-Guard version is 
almost 200g lighter.

https://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/marathon-almotion

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[Nick Payne]

I was a bit pissed off when I found on delivery that the latest Rivendell 
frame I bought took a 26.8 seatpost. The three previous Riv frames I have 
all use 27.2. And in fact, this latest frame wasn't even accurately sized 
for 26.8 - the Kalloy seatpost that came with it, and which was a true 26.8 
by my vernier calipers, was a slightly loose fit in the seat tube. So I 
reamed the seat tube to 27.0 and used a 27.0 Nitto S83.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Comfy aluminum frames?

[Nick Payne]

As I said in another thread (
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/tAas6urcOwg/m/KW63fr0LCQAJ), 
modern aluminium frames can be quite comfortable. Last week I did back to 
back rides on successive days over the same chipseal roads on that Al bike 
and on my Riv custom. I can't say that the Riv felt any more comfortable or 
better handling. The Al frame was running Conti GP Urbans and the Riv Rene 
Herse Bon Jon Pass, both nominally 35mm tyres.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Patch or Replace a Tire?

[Nick Payne]

That cut looks a bit large. You could try a tyre boot cut from an old slick 
tyre to see if the casing continues to herniate with the boot inside it. Or 
you could try a tubeless repair kit. I've used the Hutchinson Rep'Air kit 
on both tubeless and tubed punctures, but the cuts I fixed were not quite 
that large. I think the instructions with the Hutchinson claim it can be 
used on punctures up to 5mm size.

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] ISO: Toyo Atlantis, All-Rounder, Saluki, Rambo (53/54 range)

[Nick Payne]

On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 6:43:57 am UTC+10 Ryan wrote:

Not sure about that original Rivendell listed for $1 which is not $1 in 
Brooklyn. If he means 1K I think he's dreaming in Technicolor.

I downloaded one of the photos to zoom in on and regardless of the crappy 
obviously  not original paint job with no decals or anything else to 
identify it, the lugs and the fork don't look like OG Riv lugs or fork  to 
me. It's not a great photo but I'm not sure seeing it in person would 
change my mind.


It looks more like a cheap frame where the tubes haven't been mitered, and 
the long lugs are used to hide this fact. It also doesn't look as though 
there are eyelets on either the front or rear dropouts. 

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Have you tried MKS Seahorse pedals

[Nick A.]

I'm also very curious, especially as it may compare to the Lambda.

TIA!
Nick in Falls Church VA

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:11:27 PM UTC-4 Paul Richardson wrote:

> Hi
>
> If anyone has ridden the MKS Seahorse 
> <https://www.mkspedal.com/?q=en/product/node/436> pedals and has strong 
> opinions about them, I'd love to hear--especially if you hated them, for 
> some reason.  Sylvan Touring is my favorite pedal I've yet tried, but I've 
> also been very happy with Allways and Gammas.  
>
> thanks for any feedback
> paul
> takoma park, md.
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: EVERYTHING! Lots of parts and tools

[Nick A.]

PM'D!

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 5:03:24 PM UTC-4 bryan...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sent an email on a few things!
>
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 3:53:26 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> PM sent on Silver shifters.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2023, at 2:28 PM, twowheeledtexan  wrote:
>>
>> I'm moving and clearing out a bunch of stuff I've been hoarding. Prices 
>> are shipped, PP or Venmo, you pay the fees or friends and family. Discounts 
>> for multiple things, the more you buy the better so I don't have to ship 
>> multiple little things. If you don't like the price just make a reasonable 
>> offer. The pics should go along with the list hopefully. I'm in NW Indiana 
>> an hour from Chicago if you really wanted to come pick something up. I'll 
>> also be listing a few bikes soon. Please just message or email me instead 
>> of crowding the forum with responses.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1--2QXscjKipzaGsGAcK8fKL8KamllTMS?usp=drive_link
>>
>> Bike parts listed in general from top left of picture down to bottom 
>> right. Everything is used and in good condition unless otherwise mentioned 
>> or New In Box.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Threaded stems:*
>>
>> Nitto forged Tallux I believe 25.4x110 150mm min insertion $60
>>
>> Nitto Technomic 26x100 150mm min insert $40
>>
>> Technomic 26x70x 150mm $40
>>
>> Technomic 26x50x 150 $40
>>
>> Discord Fingerling 70mm and 50mm x 31.8 $120
>>
>> Discord Wright 30mmx31.8 $120
>>
>> Velo Orange 80x31.8x 150mm $30
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Threadless stems:*
>>
>> Velo Orange 25.4x100 $25
>>
>> VO 25.4x90 $25
>>
>> VO 25.4x80 $25
>>
>> Soma 25.4x100 $20
>>
>> Soma 26x100 $20
>>
>> IRD 26x80 $25
>>
>> Silver unmarked 26x100 $5 or free with any other purchase
>>
>> Nitto UI85EX 26x60 $80
>>
>> Dimension 31.8x100 $5 or free with any other purchase
>>
>> FSA 31.8x90 $10
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Brake levers:*
>>
>> Shimano BL-R550 2 sets black and 3 sets silver $30 a set
>>
>> Sunrace no markings on them but I believe they’re the V brake model that 
>> Riv used to sell $30
>>
>> Shimano BL-R780 black V brake NIB $30
>>
>> Dia Compe short pull $10
>>
>> TRP RRL Black $60
>>
>> TRP RRL Gum $80
>>
>> Gevenalle GX 10 spd Shimano mtn short/long pull compatible $120
>>
>> Gevenalle/Retroshift 9spd Shimano short pull $110
>>
>> Cane Creek v brake $20
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Brakes:*
>>
>> Paul Comp Motolites 3 sets $180 a pair. One set does not have a barrel 
>> adjuster on the noodle, I’ll take $150 for that set.
>>
>> Avid, vintage I think? $80 
>>
>> Paul Racer $180
>>
>> Avid shorty ultimates $50
>>
>> Paul touring canti $140
>>
>> Avid BB7 road 2 sets $20 each
>>
>> Tektro R539 med reach $50
>>
>> Tektro R559 long reach $50
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Brake pads:* All sets $5 each or free with another purchase
>>
>> Hayes MX-5 
>>
>> Sram Elixir
>>
>> Shimano JO2A
>>
>> Avid BB7
>>
>> Shimano inserts
>>
>> Kool Stop pads from Riv
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Shifters:*
>>
>> Silver Thumbies and mounts $100 NIB
>>
>> Silver downtube $40
>>
>> Shimano 9 spd $20
>>
>> Ene Ciclo/Dia Compe 11spd downtube set $60
>>
>> Paul thumbies mounts 2 sets 22.2 $60 set
>>
>> Suntour  vintage thumbies $20
>>
>> Shimano bar end pods 2 sets, one set without washers but I’ll give you 
>> the dt washers shown next to them and you can file off the tabs if you 
>> want. $20
>>
>> Microshift 9spd on mounts $30
>>
>> Shimano SL-M780 3x10, 2 sets, one has indicators $40
>>
>> Free with any purchase DT boss covers and DT barrel adjusters
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Derailleurs:*
>>
>> Deore RD-M591 9 spd silver $30
>>
>> Deore RD-M591 9 spd black $30
>>
>> Deore RD-T610 10spd $30
>>
>> XT RD-M786 10 spd w/clutch $40
>>
>> XT RD-M772 10 spd $40
>>
>> Microshift Advent X w/clutch $50
>>
>> Deore FD-T610 $20
>>
>> CX-70 Direct mount on clamp $20
>>
>> CX-70 Clamp $20
>>
>> Claris FD-2400 clamp $20
>>
>> IRD Alpina-F triple, direct mount on clamp $30
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Handlebars:*
>>
>> VO crazy bars $80
>>
>> VO Klunker $50
>>
>> Bosco heat treated aluminum 2 sets 1 new 25.4x58 $100, $80 used
>>
>> Losco HTA 25.4x54 $80
>>
>> Billie bar HTA 2 sets 25.4x58 $80
>>
>> Albatross steel 2 sets 25.4x 55 $60
>>
>>  
>>
>> Crust towel rack 660x26 $100
>>
>> Crust towel rack 600x26 $100
>>
>> Nitto M-137 dirt drop 31.8x52 $80
>>
>> Soma portola 26x56 $30
>>
>> Nitto noodles M177 46x26 $40
>>
>> Spank flare 52x31.8 $100
>>
>> Jones bars 2 sets $50
>>
>> Vintage bullmoose bars 700mm across $40
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Seatposts:*
>>
>> Whiskey No. 7 carbon 31.6x400 $40
>>
>> Ritchey comp 27.2x400 $20
>>
>> Kalloy uno 26.8x350 $10
>>
>> Nitto dynamic 27.2x300 $60
>>
>> Silver unmarked prob Kalloy 27.2x250 $10 
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Racks:*
>>
>> Nitto M-18 2 sets $80
>>
>> Nitto Mark’s rack w/long stays $100
>>
>> Nitto M-12 2 sets brake post mount $80
>>
>> Nitto like RBW 51 $100
>>
>> Nitto big front $110
>>
>> Caradice bag support $20
>>
>> Ron’s pec deck in box $30
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Saddles:*
>>
>> Brooks B17 good condition black $100
>>
>> Brooks B17 more broken in black 

[RBW] Re: Best Riv Rando Bike

[Nick Payne]

On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 1:31:57 am UTC+10 Ed Felker wrote:

This is an interesting question. I rode PBP in 2007 on my coupled Riv 
Bleriot and was comfortable the whole way on Grand Bois 32mm tires. it was 
a fair bit more forgiving than the stiffer Ritchey Logic 700c I rode in 
1999 with 23mm tires. I'm on tandem for PBP this year but if I were to ride 
PBP solo again, I'd take the Bleriot with 38mm tires.


Same here on the Bleriot. I've ridden multiple brevets on mine, mostly shod 
with the Hutchinson  "Confrérie des 650B" tyres.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: FS 61cm MUSA Homer Frameset

[Nick Shoemaker]

Whoa! What is that stem and how did it work out for you? Do you have long 
legs/short torso and needed a tall bike with less reach? Any odd handling 
impacts from the lack of any stem extension?

Beautiful frame, too.

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:00:42 AM UTC-4 Alex Wirth wrote:

> Bump :-)
>
> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 7:43:57 AM UTC-4 Alex Wirth wrote:
>
>> non-fee payment (paypal f, venmo, cashapp, zelle)  Paypal G also 
>> available but add 3%.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 26.0 bar in 25.4 clamp?

[Nick Payne]

I'd use an adjustable reamer to ream the stem from 25.4 to 26.0. I did this 
back in the 1980s when I wanted to use 26.4 Cinelli bars in a Nitto 
Technomic stem. The adjustable reamer I have for seat tubes has enough 
adjustment (down to 23.75) to be used for stems as well.

You can get cheap adjustable reamers off Aliexpress for less than $10. No 
idea of the quality (probably crap), but they should last long enough to do 
the job you need on an aluminium stem.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks C17

[Nick A.]

Sale pending, thanks all!

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:46:28 PM UTC-4 Nick A. wrote:

> Hello riv friends, I'm selling a standard C17. It's been barely ridden but 
> has a bit of shop wear on the nose. I'm asking $75 shipped in the lower 48.
>
> Thanks!
> Nick
>
> [image: 20230724_172056.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Nick Payne]

On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:

Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a companion to 
his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us "people who've 
drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 

I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't think 
they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems to be 
looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Nick Payne]

I obviously haven't drunk the Kool-Aid:-)
On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 10:26:52 am UTC+10 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> High BB, short chainstays, steep seat-tube angles, and disc brakes? That's 
> as far away from the Roadini as you can get. Add in wireless shifting and 
> I'm sorry, that's just not comparable to any Rivendell I've seen!
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> I've come to like modern aluminium frames - they're a far cry from the 
>> rigid Cannondales of 25 years ago. I've been riding bikes for about half a 
>> century, and have multiple lugged frames spanning that period (including a 
>> custom Riv and a Bleriot), but I reckon that the Mason Definition frameset 
>> that I recently built up as a fairly lightweight zippy machine is the best 
>> riding bike I've ever owned. It can fit 35mm tyres - Conti GP Urban are 
>> what I'm using, and has rack and mudguard mounts on the frame if you want 
>> to fit those.
>> [image: PXL_20230712_031843355.jpg]
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
>

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[RBW] Looking for a 57 Sam, 58 Homer.

[Nick Casale]

Looking at the geo charts I think these bikes would fit me best. If anyone 
has one willing to sell (blue color preferred) let me know! Also, I am 6'0 
pbh 87.5 and inseam 33. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Drivetrain question...

[Nick Payne]

I have a couple of bikes setup with 42/29 chainrings on 94BCD cranks and 
either 11-34 or 11-36 cassette. I find 42-11 quite a big enough gear - I 
can pedal it up to ~50kph without problem, and 29-34 or 29-36 can get me up 
some pretty long steep climbs also without problem.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Clem: Fleecer Ridge vs Antelope Hill?

[Nick Shoemaker]

+1 on Mezcals; I'm running a 2.6 & 2.3 on my Clem and they are shockingly 
well-behaved on pavement for a knobby while still being more than adequate 
on singletrack. They also offer a tan-wall version if you can't stomach the 
gray; both can be found for $30-40 on BikeInn. Vittoria also has an ever 
faster looking tread (Terreno) that might be worth a try (and can also be 
found for ~$35 on BikeInn):

https://www.vittoria.com/us/en/tires/mtb-xc/terreno




On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 1:24:16 PM UTC-4 jwhit...@gmail.com wrote:

> A vote for the Fleecer Ridge tires. Nice, relatively silent on pavement. 
> You can easily do long road rides enjoyably if you knock em up to 30psi. I 
> found the knobs "raising" the carcass of the tire away from debris was 
> beneficial for flats, especially in the city. It takes some decently 
> aggressive off-road riding for me to resent them. They compliment the 
> versatility of a Clem well. They've lasted quite a while too. 
>
> I'll throw in Vittoria Mezcals as a suggestion if you're riding tips more 
> towards off-road. The graphics and grey sidewall are a shame, but they 
> probably roll the best on pavement for a "knobby" tire. 
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:00:11 AM UTC-7 Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>> Anyone tried either one of these tires on their Clem?  I know Rene Herse 
>> tires are a bit high zoot.  Any feedback out there?  The goal is something 
>> that rolls easily on the street, but, can mix it up in the gravel as well.
>>
>> Also open to other suggestions.
>>
>> Jim
>> Austin MSA, TX
>>
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[RBW] Re: Triple to double conversion

[Nick Payne]

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 10:02:54 am UTC+10 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

To address the Chain Line Question.  Assuming if you have a PERFECT Front 
Chain Line (FCL) with the triple (middle ring lines up with middle cog), 
then If you with:

Option 1, remove Outer ring, the  FCL needs to shift INWARDS, 1/2 of 
the spacing between the middle and inner ring.  This is typically 6mm, so 
you need to shift the crank INWARDS by 3mm.  You need a BB with a drive 
side distance 3mm *less than* you have currently.   This will also give you 
a lower Q.

Option 2, remove Inner ring, the  FCL needs to shift OUTWARDS, 1/2 of 
the spacing between the middle and outer ring.  This is typically 6mm, so 
you need to shift the crank OUTWARDS by 3mm.  You need a BB with a drive 
side distance 3mm *greater than* you have currently.   This will also give 
you a higher Q.


You've got this the wrong way around. If you remove the outer ring, then 
the crank needs to be moved outwards, because the chainline is now between 
the two remaining chainrings rather than being on what was the middle ring 
when there were three. And vice versa if you get rid of the granny. 

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] FS German Mirror

[Nick Lindsey]

I’m interested if you still have it.    Have pay pal too.Nick L.Sent from my iPadOn Jul 12, 2023, at 12:22 PM, Frank Brose  wrote:Same deal as Eric offered up. His post reminded me I have one as well. NIB. Has been removed from bag but put back in bag and in the box. $15 plus shipping.thanks,Frank



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[RBW] Re: To trade or sell or improve, my 50cm 1988 Bridgestone MB-1

[Nick Shoemaker]

I was in a similar situation: I had a comparably spec'd Giant with bars 
that were way too low for me to ride comfortably. I somewhat solved it by 
adding a long/tall stem and Bosco bars, but soon after built up my own Clem 
L. In short, the only thing MB-1 era bikes do better than a Clem is take up 
less space (easier to fit in a car/garage/apartment/bike rack); even if you 
manage to get the MB-1 to fit you *better*, it will still be no match for 
the awesomeness of the Clem's long geometry & tire clearance. Bstones have 
a huge following (with correspondingly silly market pricing), but I can't 
imagine having any real use for one (beyond novelty) if you already have a 
Clem you're happy with. Again, this is somewhat at odds with the Radavist-y 
culture of objectifying old bikes for the sake of.something(?) Ride the 
wheels off your Clem and want for nothing!

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 3:42:44 PM UTC-4 Lee T wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I've had this MB-1 since 2007 when I lived in the desert in California. 
> I'm its second owner. I don't ride it very much and it's taking up a lot of 
> space in my studio apartment, lol. I wanted a Susie Longbolts but couldn't 
> afford it, and purchased a lovely Clem "L" large off this list a year ago 
> and really love it. I also have a Bianchi San Jose singlespeed 58cm already.
>
> My MB-1s a 50cm and the geometry really annoys me. I have to lean way too 
> far over to reach the handlebars, plus i wonder if the frame is too small. 
> I mostly do singletrack on my Clem with 2.3 Thunder Burt tires. I live in 
> Brooklyn so it's hard to find as many mountain bike opportunities anyway 
> beyond stealth city park biking. 
>
> I coveted the Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone but wonder how different it 
> would really be from my Clem. In any case, I've been trying to figure out 
> if I should just sell the MB-1 or if I should get some north road bars or 
> something and try those? As far as I know, I have almost all the original 
> parts on the bike minus the seat, so maybe I should sell this to someone 
> for whom this is their dream bike and just be thankful I have two nice 
> bikes already? Not sure!
>
> Thanks for any opinions.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Nicest silver Tektro upright canti brake levers?

[Nick A.]

I much like the FL750s.

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 8:35:21 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Of course I'm gonna say the reverso RX4.1 in all silver are the nicest !
>
> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nTMAAOSwiL9ij2Qk/s-l500.jpg
>
>

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[RBW] Stolen Centurian in Portland

[st nick]

Bummer!
I hope he recovers it.
Bike in pic is a Specialized Sirrus, not a Centurion.

Paul in Dallas 

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[RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[Nick Payne]

When I was a young racing cyclist in Western Australia some 50-plus years 
ago, it was still a legal requirement for a bicycle to have a bell. This 
was more honoured in the breach than the observance, and I never saw or 
heard of a recreational cyclist being pulled over because they lacked a 
bell, but you could be excluded from the start line of a race by a 
bloody-minded commissaire if you didn't have one, so we would buy cheap 
aluminium bells, drill them out like Swiss cheese, this being the age of 
drillium, and fasten them under the saddle.

Western Australia had also previously had the requirement for bicycle 
number plates, and although that was no longer the case when I arrived 
there in 1963, you still saw quite a number of bicycles being ridden around 
with number plates still attached: 
https://historical.cc/news/2017/5/12/wa-bicycle-number-plates.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis touch up paint?

[Nick A.]

+1!

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 2:39:44 PM UTC-4 cbala...@gmail.com wrote:

> Anyone have a bottle of Testors 2135 they would be willing to part with? 
> Can't seem to find any available - if you've got a source, let me know!

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[RBW] Re: ISO/WTB/WTT: SUPPLE VITESSE SL 700C X 48

[Nick A.]

Hey Patrick, I sent you a PM.

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 4:25:29 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I am on the fence about switching from ultralight Big Ones to these, and I 
> guess that a discounted used price might tip me over on the "buy" side of 
> the fence.
>
> Note that I want the ultralight 370-gram (claimed) model, to set up 
> tubeless.
>
> If you have a VG pair to sell, or perhap to trade for a pair of ultra 
> light (450 honest digital grams) Big Ones or a pair of ultra light Elk 
> Passes or other things, please get in touch.
>
> The reason I'm on the fence is that the Big Ones work well both for 
> exceptionally good pavement rolling and for deepish sand float; but it 
> would be nice to have a tire that let's the bike handle a bit more 
> "crisply."
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
> Background in case anyone cares: The Spec Hover drop bar on the Monocog 
> makes the Monocog so much more pleasant to ride (even tho' I thought that 
> the severely trimmed MAP/Ahearne bar was comfortable) that I now choose it 
> for more of my bosque/ditchbank/sandy soil rides.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

[Nick A.]

I ran the Soma Cazadero 700c/50mm last winter/spring and loved them. I see 
Soma also makes 650x50. Might be worth looking into, especially if you're 
concerned about the cornering. As for the fenders, I'd just see if they can 
fit the tires you want, and bail on 'em if they won't fit. 

On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 7:45:36 PM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

> Mudguards are OK until you encounter mud :-), and then they jam up. On 
> this ride I was having to stop every five or ten minutes to clear the mud 
> out from between the tyre and mudguard, as it was making forward motion 
> more and more difficult. OTOH, I stayed relatively clean, whereas the 
> friend I was riding with, who wasn't running mudguards, wound up with about 
> an inch thickness of mud caked over his legs and back.
> [image: Scan-110321-0066.jpg]
>
> Nick Payne
>

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[RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[st nick]

I heard back from my friend  Jim who received and mounted the revised IRC 
seatpost.
Here's what he said:
Paul in Dallas 


"Received it 2 days ago. Long ride yesterday and it is a game changer! No 
slippage….my Roadini is now dialed in. Can’t wait to ride it again."


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Phil cassette hub+wheel, tandem/145mm (HubbuHubbuH)

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 2 June 2023 at 2:59:22 am UTC+10 jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

Piaw: I have no idea if it's 3 or 4 pawl. Is there an indication of 
which it could be? Hub is in good condition (AFAIK).

I believe they swapped the design around 2017. I ran into the same problem 
as Piaw when I needed new pawls for the rear Phil cassette hub on my tourer 
- the pawls they sell now only fit the post-2017 hubs - they don't have any 
stock of the older pawls - and the only option offered for my hub was a 
substantial price to upgrade it to the new version. As I could buy several 
Deore XT 780 rear hubs for the price Phil wanted to upgrade their hub, my 
touring bike now sports a rear wheel using a Deore XT hub.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Gearing (was Getting Over My Head)

[Nick Payne]

On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 11:23:36 am UTC+10 Garth wrote:

I was watching the uphill penultimate TT road racing stage of the Giro D' 
Italia this weekend where the eventual winner Primoz Roglic chose to run a 
1x for his TT bike. The announcers were "praising" him for the "innovative" 
choice of using a mtb gearing setup for the TT. Well lo and behold, at a 
low speed(which is fast for mere mortals, hah hah) he was about 2/3 up the 
course and he ran over what appeared to be a small break in the road 
crosswise and his chain derailed off the ring. He put it back on cool as a 
cucumber and still trounced everyone, but so much for 1x's not failing like 
any other system, because they do. 


I'd say he was either not using a clutch derailleur, or had the clutch 
disengaged to minimise drivetrain losses. My wife has been using 1x 
drivetrains for years with clutch derailleurs, on all sorts of road 
surfaces, and has never had the chain unship. She uses SRAM GX Eagle 1x12 
on one bike, and Eagle AXS on another.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[st nick]

I was recently talking with a friend here in the area also looking for a 26.8 
set post with more set back for his Roadini.
He decided to have Rivbike order the IRC one for him some have had issues with 
because he heard a Rivendell employee recently had tried one and had no issues 
because IRC had resolved the issue with a thicker serrated washer.
He said he would report back after trying it.
Personally I would consult with an experienced frame builder about reaming out 
a seat tube especially with an expensive frame and have an expert builder donut 
if I went that route.
I might've tempted to try it on a $50 Craiglist bike but not a nice bike I 
loved.
Safe riding to all.
Paul in Dallas 

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[RBW] Re: Clickers for Jim cassettes

[Nick Shoemaker]

So what's the lowdown on S-Ride? Are they the manufacturer of the new Riv 
7s cassettes? And how does their stuff compare to other budget drivetrain 
options like SunRace & Microshift?

On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:57:54 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> S-Ride stuff is great for the price! Admittedly I just started working for 
> Jim at Merry Sales/Soma Fab so take that with a grain of salt…
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:18:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I mentioned this on my immediately irrelevant "Double 1x" thread cuz I 
>> pulled that drivetrain, but nobody's going to read it there. You can read 
>> it here! 
>>
>> If friction isn't your thing but you like the idea of those 7-speed Jim 
>> cassettes, S Ride makes a cheap and functional trigger shifter for it. Save 
>> weight and money with a plastic shifter! 
>>
>>
>>

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