Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone have Rivendell Reader #23?

[Reed Kennedy]

Great stuff! I've replaced the incomplete copy that was at
http://notfine.com/rivreader/ <http://notfine.com/rivreader/RR23.pdf> with
the good version Shoji provided. Thanks Shoji!


Best,
Reed Kennedy
San Francisco, CA

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 8:54 AM Shoji Takahashi 
wrote:

> Hi Reed,
> I sent you a PM with #23.
>
> Thanks,
> Shoji
>
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 10:16:07 AM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> Sadly the copy Marty was kind enough to send was missing the same pages
>> as the one on my site.
>>
>> Does anyone have a paper copy of Rivendell Reader #23 that includes pages
>> 19 and 20?
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Reed Kennedy
>> San Francisco, CA
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 2:44 AM Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sending now...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 1:27:50 AM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I just realized the copy of Rivendell Reader #23 up on my site is
>>>> missing a *bunch* of pages. Including the pages on the Boxy Bag that I
>>>> wanted to re-read.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a paper copy that they could scan? Or send to me so I
>>>> can scan?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Reed Kennedy
>>>> San Francisco, CA
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone have Rivendell Reader #23?

[Reed Kennedy]

Sadly the copy Marty was kind enough to send was missing the same pages as
the one on my site.

Does anyone have a paper copy of Rivendell Reader #23 that includes pages
19 and 20?


Best,
Reed Kennedy
San Francisco, CA

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 2:44 AM Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
martinpgie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sending now...
>
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 1:27:50 AM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> I just realized the copy of Rivendell Reader #23 up on my site is missing
>> a *bunch* of pages. Including the pages on the Boxy Bag that I wanted to
>> re-read.
>>
>> Does anyone have a paper copy that they could scan? Or send to me so I
>> can scan?
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Reed Kennedy
>> San Francisco, CA
>>
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[RBW] Anyone have Rivendell Reader #23?

[Reed Kennedy]

I just realized the copy of Rivendell Reader #23 up on my site is missing a
*bunch* of pages. Including the pages on the Boxy Bag that I wanted to
re-read.

Does anyone have a paper copy that they could scan? Or send to me so I can
scan?


Best,
Reed Kennedy
San Francisco, CA

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[RBW] WTB: Racktop Riv bag in Large (TrunkSack, Big Loafer, etc)

[Reed Kennedy]

The rear rack on my Jack Taylor tandem looks so lonely unladen. The rear
fender requires it for support, but it seems the yearn for more.

I’d like to give it a rack top bag and thus a job, a purpose.

But Riv only has them in small. It is capable of so much more!

Does anyone have a Big Loafer, large TrunkSack, or other bigger Riv racktop
bag they’d be willing to part with? Happy to pay or trade at your
preference.


Best,
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San Francisco, CA

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Re: [RBW] NAHBS iBOB/Riv list Get-Together and Garage Sale, Sat 3/16

[Reed Kennedy]

Sounds great Jeremy! Some buddies and I are gathering for NAHBS and would
love to come by. Thanks fro hosting!


Reed

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 2:25 PM Jeremy Till  wrote:

> NAHBS is once again in my town this year (Sacramento) so I thought I'd
> host a little get together for people on the iBOB and Rivendell Owner's
> Bunch lists. Like Rob Perks did in 2016, I'm doing it as a morning coffee
> time on Saturday morning, which is when I figure most people will be
> attending the show. The details:
>
> What: NAHBS iBOB/Riv list Coffee Get-Together and Garage Sale
> When: Saturday, March 16 9-10:30 a.m.
> Where: My garage and driveway, in the Land Park neighborhood of
> Sacramento, 1.8 miles from the Convention Center where NAHBS is being held.
> In the interests of not posting my home address online, if you are
> interested in coming, please RSVP to me and I will send you my address
> directly.
>
> As the title says, in keeping with the Marie Kondo craze and the interest
> of downsizing my parts collection, I'm hosting it at my place and will be
> throwing a garage sale at the same time. Basically anything that's not
> already on a complete bike will be up for grabs at what I hope are
> "everything must go" prices. It's an eclectic collection but includes
> various flared drop bars, a 7spd Nexus wheel/shifter, a few bags from Riv
> and VO, Time ATAC pedals, some SKS fenders, etc.
>
> I'll have a couple of boxes of hot coffee from local roasters Temple
> Coffee and maybe some donuts and/or pastries as well. Feel free to bring
> some treats to share, or if you want to show off your coffee outside setup
> feel free to brew up on the driveway. If there's interest as things are
> winding down, I can lead a "scenic route" ride of 45 mins - 1 hour starting
> from my place and ending at the convention center for the show.
>
> Hope to see you there!
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[RBW] Re: FotR: Group campsites got

[Reed Kennedy]

Nice work Justin! These campsites are not easy to get.

Looking forward to riding with y'all this summer!


Reed

On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 8:16 AM 'Justin August' via Bay Area Rivendell
Riders  wrote:

> Hey folks-
> I have been able to secure the Devil’s Gulch group campsites in samuel P
> taylor Park for the weekend of July 17-20!
>
> We’ll hash out more details later and I know it’s not the Madrone Group
> campground but if we want that then we’ll have to do the gathering later
> and I’ll need some assistance at 12:01am to get it!
>
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[RBW] Re: Boyz on the Hoods: 4th Annual Escape from Super Bowl Weekend Campout

[Reed Kennedy]

Also in +1! Willow and I are planning to make this our first tandem
campout! Quite stoked. (See what I did there?)


Reed

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 2:26 PM  wrote:

> BUMP! Who's getting ready for some early season bike camping action?
>
> On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 8:45:36 AM UTC-8, irvin...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> It's time for the 4th Annual Super Bowl Campout Weekend (RECAP: 2016
>> , 2017
>> , 2018
>> )
>>
>> Grabbed the Spring Lake Group Campsite
>>  in
>> Santa Rosa this year.
>>
>>
>>- Let's meet at Larkspur Ferry Terminal at 10am on *Saturday February
>>2nd, 2019*
>>
>>- Here are your options:
>>
>>- Meet me at 8am at the Golden Gate Bridge and we'll bike 13 miles to
>>   the Larkspur Ferry Terminal to meet with everyone
>>
>>   - or you can drive and park at Larkspur Ferry Terminal
>>   
>>
>>   - East Bay peepz can take a bus from El Cerrito BART to San Rafael
>>   
>> 
>>  and
>>   then bike over to Larkspur Ferry Terminal
>>
>>   - From Larkspur, we'll ride to Santa Rosa:
>>   https://ridewithgps.com/routes/29100475
>>
>>
>>- North Bay peepz can take the SMART train to downtown Santa Rosa
>>
>>
>>- Or you can just drive to Spring Lake Regional Group Campsite (let
>>me know, since there's only 10 parking passes)
>>
>>
>>- How many people can fit at the campsite? A LOT
>> (actually 75, so please
>>RSVP via e-mail or Facebook Event
>>)
>>
>>- Bring $5 - $10 cash for the campsite >Youtube Clip> 
>>
>>
>> If there's rain in forecast (week prior) = possible postponement,
>> otherwise, cya there!
>>
>>
>> - Irving
>> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fellowship of the Rigs update: TIME & PLACE

[Reed Kennedy]

Hey Justin, you might consider giving the friendly rangers at SPT a call.
I’ve found them quite helpful in the past. They obviously know their park
well, and if you ask about the relative merits of the different group sites
I bet they’ll be happy to help.


Reed

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:15 PM Justin, Oakland 
wrote:

> What are people's experiences and desires for sleeping spots? I am
> familiar with the Madrone group site next to the cabins.
>
>
> On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 7:51:04 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>> After doing the surveys it looks like the most people voted affirmatively
>> for Friday July 19th - Sunday July 21st at Samuel P Taylor Park! There's
>> many ways up and back and lots of great rides to lead starting from their
>> group sites.
>>
>> I want to move forward with booking camp site and such but want to make
>> sure there's no "OMG WHY THAT DAY AND PLACE" concerns.
>>
>> -J
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bay Area: Measuring frame tubing at the Box Dog Bikes party on Saturday!

[Reed Kennedy]

Sure do Bill! I’m planning on getting there a few minutes early to set up,
so I should be ready to measure at 5pm. Looking forward to learning more
about your bikes!


Reed

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 2:22 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I'm supposed to be in Downtown Oakland at 6:45.  If I'm there at Box Dog
> at 5PM with both the Legolas and the Ebisu in my van, do you envision that
> would work?
>
> Bill
>
> On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 12:48:02 PM UTC-8, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> Hey Bill,
>>
>> Oh, that's a tough choice! I'd say either the Legolas or the Ebisu if I
>> got to pick. So it sounds like the Legolas has the most mutual interest
>> between us.
>>
>> But you're also welcome to show up with more than one if you can manage.
>> Either way, with one bike or many, it would be great to see you there!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Reed
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:26 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
> Reed
>>>
>>> I'm not certain I can attend, but I very much want to.  I want to
>>> eventually measure several of my bikes, but I can only ride one at a time
>>> from BART to Box Dog.  Maybe I'll bring a few bikes in my Minivan.
>>>
>>> IF I limit myself to one bike, my top candidates are:
>>>
>>> 1. Rivendell Legolas, made in Spring 2018 by Nobillette.  Ostensibly,
>>> rumored to be the thinnest wall tubing Rivendell will ever spec.
>>> 2. Ebisu All Purpose, ~2003.
>>> 3. Rivendell Leo Roadini
>>> 4. Rivendell Sam Hillborne 2009
>>> 5. Gunnar Crosshairs custom
>>>
>>> Do you care which one I bring?  I imagine the Roadini would have a lot
>>> of interest, because it's currently something you can buy off the rack.
>>> It's lower on my priority list because I know the data, regardless of what
>>> it is, will be used to disqualify the Roadini from consideration because
>>> it's too stout.  I'm most curious about the Legolas, so if you don't care
>>> that's the one I'll try to bring.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 11:44:48 AM UTC-8, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Does your frame "plane" for you? Ever wondered if it's 7/4/7, 9/6/9, or
>>>> something weird and special and crazy? Come find out!
>>>>
>>>> I'll be measuring steel frames using my ultrasonic thickness gauge at
>>>> the Box Dog Bikes fundraiser party on Saturday. Come learn about your bike
>>>> and help us build a public database of frame knowledge!
>>>>
>>>> Details:
>>>> Saturday December 15th, 5pm - 8pm
>>>> Box Dog Bikes, 494 14th St, San Francisco, CA 94103
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=494+14th+St,+San+Francisco,+CA+94103=gmail=g>
>>>> https://www.instagram.com/p/BrOJKdyl-WO/
>>>>
>>>> Measuring is free. There will be an optional donation jar at the
>>>> measuring station. All donations go directly to Box Dog Bikes to help this
>>>> worker-owned cooperative recover from their recent break in.
>>>>
>>>> Here are the results I've collected so far:
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XeS2nJhBPSDRbqgG1-F2VOI_vK1QZnZmysARDJWyGps/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> And a bike like yours has already been measured, please feel free to
>>>> bring it anyway! Especially if it is a different size.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Reed
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bay Area: Measuring frame tubing at the Box Dog Bikes party on Saturday!

[Reed Kennedy]

Hey Bill,

Oh, that's a tough choice! I'd say either the Legolas or the Ebisu if I got
to pick. So it sounds like the Legolas has the most mutual interest between
us.

But you're also welcome to show up with more than one if you can manage.
Either way, with one bike or many, it would be great to see you there!


Best,
Reed

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:26 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Reed
>
> I'm not certain I can attend, but I very much want to.  I want to
> eventually measure several of my bikes, but I can only ride one at a time
> from BART to Box Dog.  Maybe I'll bring a few bikes in my Minivan.
>
> IF I limit myself to one bike, my top candidates are:
>
> 1. Rivendell Legolas, made in Spring 2018 by Nobillette.  Ostensibly,
> rumored to be the thinnest wall tubing Rivendell will ever spec.
> 2. Ebisu All Purpose, ~2003.
> 3. Rivendell Leo Roadini
> 4. Rivendell Sam Hillborne 2009
> 5. Gunnar Crosshairs custom
>
> Do you care which one I bring?  I imagine the Roadini would have a lot of
> interest, because it's currently something you can buy off the rack.  It's
> lower on my priority list because I know the data, regardless of what it
> is, will be used to disqualify the Roadini from consideration because it's
> too stout.  I'm most curious about the Legolas, so if you don't care that's
> the one I'll try to bring.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 11:44:48 AM UTC-8, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> Does your frame "plane" for you? Ever wondered if it's 7/4/7, 9/6/9, or
>> something weird and special and crazy? Come find out!
>>
>> I'll be measuring steel frames using my ultrasonic thickness gauge at the
>> Box Dog Bikes fundraiser party on Saturday. Come learn about your bike and
>> help us build a public database of frame knowledge!
>>
>> Details:
>> Saturday December 15th, 5pm - 8pm
>> Box Dog Bikes, 494 14th St, San Francisco, CA 94103
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/BrOJKdyl-WO/
>>
>> Measuring is free. There will be an optional donation jar at the
>> measuring station. All donations go directly to Box Dog Bikes to help this
>> worker-owned cooperative recover from their recent break in.
>>
>> Here are the results I've collected so far:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XeS2nJhBPSDRbqgG1-F2VOI_vK1QZnZmysARDJWyGps/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> And a bike like yours has already been measured, please feel free to
>> bring it anyway! Especially if it is a different size.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Reed
>>
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[RBW] Bay Area: Measuring frame tubing at the Box Dog Bikes party on Saturday!

[Reed Kennedy]

Does your frame "plane" for you? Ever wondered if it's 7/4/7, 9/6/9, or
something weird and special and crazy? Come find out!

I'll be measuring steel frames using my ultrasonic thickness gauge at the
Box Dog Bikes fundraiser party on Saturday. Come learn about your bike and
help us build a public database of frame knowledge!

Details:
Saturday December 15th, 5pm - 8pm
Box Dog Bikes, 494 14th St, San Francisco, CA 94103
https://www.instagram.com/p/BrOJKdyl-WO/

Measuring is free. There will be an optional donation jar at the measuring
station. All donations go directly to Box Dog Bikes to help this
worker-owned cooperative recover from their recent break in.

Here are the results I've collected so far:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XeS2nJhBPSDRbqgG1-F2VOI_vK1QZnZmysARDJWyGps/edit?usp=sharing

And a bike like yours has already been measured, please feel free to bring
it anyway! Especially if it is a different size.


Cheers,
Reed

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Feeler: 62cm Appaloosa frameset, RBW Blue

[Reed Kennedy]

Just wanted to chime in here and mention that Reid was an absolute pleasure
to deal with. He was honest and reliable throughout our trade. Plus he’s a
nice guy who genuinely cares about bikes and is just plain fun to talk to.

When Fedex screwed up the frame and parts he shipped me Reid was super
about it. Not just making sure they made it right (they did) but also
kindly and paitiently listening as I freaked out a bit, then helping
however he could.

If you’re a tall person looking for a nice Riv you already know the
Appaloosa is hard to beat. And you won’t find a better person to buy it
from than Reid (or a better price)!

Highly recommended.



Best,
Reed
(With two “e’s”.)

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 6:07 PM Reid Echols  wrote:

> You know, $850 shipped seems right when I think about it. No more new
> Appaloosas until 2020...
>
>
> On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 11:29:49 AM UTC-6, Reid Echols wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I may, once again, be considering selling my lovely 62cm Appaloosa
>> frameset, since there's a new (used) Homer in my life, thanks to Reed. It
>> may not be the time of year for selling bicycles, but possibly one of you
>> would like a winter project, or live in a place like I do (Austin), where
>> winter is riding season!
>>
>> The bike is built now, but I would probably like to keep its parts.
>> Complete is an option, or somewhere in between, but we'd have to discuss
>> that. Right now, I'd ask $900 shipped to the US for frame, fork, and
>> headset. It has some very minor scuffs, but is pretty close to pristine. If
>> anyone is looking, let me know!
>>
>> Here are some photos to pique your interest:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: jrzWpphVRx+mIzcojKuVPA.jpg]
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_7002 2.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> Reid in Austin, TX
>>
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[RBW] FS/T: Some special jerseys and other wool (larger / taller)

[Reed Kennedy]

My shape has changed, and some lovely wool must go. Pictures here:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/WhfFVMVwqnC4bs4z9

All have been washed only with wool safe detergent, laid flat to dry, and
treated with the utmost care. All are in great shape, with any
peculiarities described below.
Buy one and shipping is $8. Buy two or more and shipping is on me.

#1: *Rivendell* green and red short sleeved jersey

   - Marked XXXL, measurements in photos.
   - Made by Woolistic, bought on discount from Rivendell many moons ago.
   The tag was cut off before I bought it, I could never figure out why. The
   "Rivendell" embroidery is amazing.
   - This is my favorite jersey. It has been worn a good few times, but was
   always treated with great care. It is in wonderful shape. There is only one
   tiny repair, where a thread broke at the bottom of the center pocket. This
   was done by my mum, who cares as much as about sewing as we do about
   bicycles.
   - As pictured in one of the official Eroica CA photos:
   https://photos.app.goo.gl/6NG5n1mfK596DJtg6
   - I would much prefer to *trade* this for an XL Rivendell jersey or
   other interesting jersey.


#2: *iBOB* green and white short sleeved jersey

   - Marked XXL, measurements in photos.
   - Made by Portland Cyclewear.
   - A lovely jersey that never fit right. I don't think I've worn it. No
   repairs that I can see.
   - $80, or trade for another interesting jersey that's a bit smaller.

#3: *Yazoo *black / red / white jersey

   - Marked XL, measurements in photos.
   - Made by Earth, Wind, and Rider in China.
   - No rear pockets!
   - This is probably the nicest feeling wool of any jersey I own. It is
   just luxurious! I don't usually buy made in China garments, but I made an
   exception for this one. It is just so nice. No repairs that I can see.
   - $50 or trade.

#4: Le Roc "*Team 5 Sport*" vintage jersey in blue and white

   - Marked size 4-5, measurements in photos. Much smaller than the others
   here!
   - Lovely vintage jersey that appears unworn.
   - Letters on front are raised flocking.
   - $50 or trade.

#5: *Ibex* 1/2 length wool shorts / knickers / tights

   - Marked size Large, length measurement in photos, waste is super
   stretchy (I have worn them when I was wearing size 32 jeans and when I have
   worn size 38 jeans.)
   - Original MUSA Ibex from when they had the nice multi-material pad and
   embroidered logo.
   - Ibex shorts (especially these older versions) are my very favorites.
   These still fit great but I've come to prefer the shortest and longest
   ones. I think I only wore these medium-length ones once. Still next-to-new.
   - $65 or trade.

Preference given to good trades, folks who can pick up in San Francisco or
folks who want multiple items.

For trades things I'm looking for are interesting wool jerseys that fit,
knickers, Campagnolo Doppler shifters, limited edition Brooks saddles, new
production Ideale saddles, Dromarti shoes in size 47 or 48, Huret Duopar
rear derailleur, Compass bits, old French frame pumps with the little hose,
or other fancy, classic, interesting Rivish things.


Best,
Reed Kennedy
San Francisco, CA

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Re: [RBW] Does your PB8 hub make noise?

[Reed Kennedy]

As previously mentioned, my SV-9 sounded like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5YBals43L8

Sent it back, and they confirmed it was defective.

My replacement non-defective SV-9 doesn't make any noise, nor do my SON
hubs.

(Very rarely I can feel a slight vibration through the bars, but it's
unobtrusive. I notice it on maybe 1 out of 5 brevets, and only briefly.)


Reed

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 8:24 AM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> Sorry, Shutter Precision PV8 hub
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[Reed Kennedy]

Warning: Rough measure taken with two meter sticks and eyeballing the
contact patches.

I got 125 cm. Maybe a touch over. Definitely less than 130 cm.


Best,
Reed

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:43 AM RDS  wrote:

> What is the wheelbase length (meaning the distance b/t where the two tires
> make ground contact) for the 59 Clem L.  I have to put my bike on a tray
> style bike rack to go somewhere to ride and now am wondering if it will fit
> or not.
>
> On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 2:49:36 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>>
>> I am thinking of getting a Clem L frame or complete bike.
>>
>> The latest catalog has a min PBH of 83 for the size 59.  I am 83+/-.
>> Anyone near PBH own one and have any comments?  I am overweight, so most
>> riding will be paved paths.
>>
>> Looks like Gray or Green for a color choice.  Your vote?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo Future?

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On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 7:18 PM Paul G  wrote:

> From Mark Abele regarding a 61 cm Roadeo:
>
> True Temp OX Plat tubing in the main triangle
> Top Tube:  .8 x .5 x .8mm
> Down Tube:  .8 x .6 x .8mm
> Seat Tube:  .6  x .8mm
> Chainstay:  Reynolds Track Fork Blade 1.2mm
> Seat Stay:  Double taper 12 x 16 x 11mm (OD; not sure of wall thickness)
>
> This was in an email response from him in 2013 when I purchased the
> frameset.
>

Great to have those specs, thanks Paul!

For whatever it may be worth, the Roadeo I recently measured came in a bit
lighter than those specs:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XeS2nJhBPSDRbqgG1-F2VOI_vK1QZnZmysARDJWyGps

The differences are large and regular enough that I am confident the frame
I measured doesn’t match the spec, rather than being a measuring error or
somesuch.

Interesting!


Best,
Reed

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>>
>> You could email to ask Grant directly.
>>
>> The only statement I have seen is from Grant in that cyclofiend interview
>> where he said Roadeos are 6/4/6. He didn't mention if anything differed
>> among sizes there. Just that Roadeos are 6/4/6.
>>
>> But if someone has a quote on the fact that bigger sizes are different,
>> please post it here. That would be helpful to find out for sure about
>> tubing specs for different MUSARoadeo sizes.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Reed Kennedy]

Interesting Bruce! That's not what I would have expected. Were the Nord and
the Ram built up and fit similarly?

Curious about the brakes in particular. I originally had my Nord set up
some dual pivot calipers, which I did not like. Power was fair, but
modulation poor. They made me uncomfortable on dirt. I worried I would
jiggle my grip over a bump and lock a wheel. I replaced them with a pair of
Paul Racer M brakes driven by Gevenalle (Tektro) levers, and it is now the
best braking bike I own.

I haven't heard of TIG vs lugs effecting frame flexibility or ride quality
before, but it'd be curious to learn more. Any engineers out there who
would care to comment?

Have fun at the Southern Magnolia Century! That sounds like a lovely place
for a ride.


Best,
Reed

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wrote:

> Hi Reed:
>
> I test rode a Norvindian owned by a fellow cyclist in Mobile.  I found it
> much less lively than my Ram.  She loves it however.  Maybe lugs vs welds?
>   The Ram is fine on gravel with fat tires.  I did a gravel grind on Pasela
> 1 1/2” and ride was okay.  I was leery of the brakes on steep loose down
> hills and canti or disc would be my suggestion for gravel. On packed clay
> the bike as is is fine.
> Have a super ride. Mine will be in Saucier MS this weekend for the
> Southern Magnolia Century.  A cousin of my wife from LA is meeting me to
> ride the New Albion Starling I built for her.  There’s a riv ish brand at a
> lower price point too. Very good ride.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 3, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Reed Kennedy  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 6:51 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:
>
>> I have a 58 Ram and 57 Rom and there does feel like a difference. I
>> wonder if it is in my head. They are built similar but different wheels.
>> The models are the same geometry and supposedly 98% the same. The Ram feels
>> like a more flexible lovely ride. Perhaps it is just the color orange. At
>> some point I’ll probably post a Romulus for sale. I am 210 so anything
>> thinner then 858 probably would be a bad idea.
>
>
> Food for thought: I weigh 201 pounds and my 61 cm Rawland Nordavinden
> works extremely well for me. That frame uses a standard diameter 7/4/7 top
> tube and standard diameter 8/5/8 downtube:
>
> http://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/2012/07/nordavinden-geometry-and-specifications.html
>
> Taking in to account the narrower diameter tubing, this frame is
> significantly more flexible than an 8/5/8 oversized frame. Leaves me
> wondering: Am I special? Or do folks tend to over-estimate the tubing
> needed by larger riders?
>
> I’ll be riding it on the New England Randonneurs Fall Classic 120k this
> Saturday. Curious to see how it holds up on an 85% dirt route!
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Reed Kennedy]

Hey Rod, my subjective experience is similar to yours. My A. Homer Hilsen
has a different feel than my Nordavinden, which in turn feels different
than my MAP. I have subjective thoughts on which of them "feel" fastest,
but none of them hold me back significantly in my non-competitive
randonneuring.

I personally believe that bike fit is by far the most important factor.
After that, running high supple tires seems to make the second biggest
difference. Once I've optimized those two things, having a frame that
flexes in a way that works for me comes third. Weight, within a couple
pounds, comes a distance fourth for me when it comes to optimal performance.

Which is to say, I recommend getting your tires and fit dialed in as
perfectly as possible before you even begin to worry about frame flex or
weight!


Best,
Reed

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 8:33 AM Rod Holland  wrote:

> Reed,
>
> I'll raise you a few pounds. At 227, I'm very happy with the lively
> handling of my 58 cm Nordavinden. I'm also delighted with my two Surly LHT
> variants (700c and 26"), and my Ebisu All Purpose. I can tell the
> difference in handling among them, of course, but can ride any of them fast
> and far, over a gamut of surfaces. I'm running Compass or Grand Bois ELs on
> all of them, and that has no doubt improved the ride experience in all
> cases.
>
> rod
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

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On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 6:51 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:

> I have a 58 Ram and 57 Rom and there does feel like a difference. I wonder
> if it is in my head. They are built similar but different wheels. The
> models are the same geometry and supposedly 98% the same. The Ram feels
> like a more flexible lovely ride. Perhaps it is just the color orange. At
> some point I’ll probably post a Romulus for sale. I am 210 so anything
> thinner then 858 probably would be a bad idea.


Food for thought: I weigh 201 pounds and my 61 cm Rawland Nordavinden works
extremely well for me. That frame uses a standard diameter 7/4/7 top tube
and standard diameter 8/5/8 downtube:
http://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/2012/07/nordavinden-geometry-and-specifications.html

Taking in to account the narrower diameter tubing, this frame is
significantly more flexible than an 8/5/8 oversized frame. Leaves me
wondering: Am I special? Or do folks tend to over-estimate the tubing
needed by larger riders?

I’ll be riding it on the New England Randonneurs Fall Classic 120k this
Saturday. Curious to see how it holds up on an 85% dirt route!


Best,
Reed

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Re: [RBW] FREE* Schwalbe Inner Tube SV19A (Presta) NIB - 650B x 54-60mm / 700c x 38-60mm

[Reed Kennedy]

Hey LeRoy,

You probably know this, but just in case: The Schwalbe tubes come with a
Presta nut with a little raised extra part the diameter of a Schrader hole.
I assume you prefer Schrader valves for reasons of pumps or
standardization, but if you're just worried about fit, fret not. It'll fit
great.

This link has pictures of the three popular converters:
https://bicycles.stackexchange.com/questions/18859/does-valve-stem-diameter-matter-for-my-rims
The Schwalbe one is similar to (but not the same as) the one in the middle.


Best,
Reed

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 4:02 PM LeRoy  wrote:

> When something is offered for "Free" with an asterisk (*), you have to
> ask, "What's the catch?" So, the catch here is that you get the
> new-in-the-box tube for free *if you pay the shipping*.
>
> I made a rookie mistake and bought a spare tube in the right size, but
> with a Presta valve instead of Schrader. My loss, your potential gain.
> Please send me a PM with your Zip Code and I'll figure out shipping. It
> will probably go in the lease expensive Priority Mail Flat Rate Box. First
> come, first served. PayPal F preferred.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Reed Kennedy]

Spoke with Bruce off-list a bit and he helped me track down this archive of
an old Riv web page that does indeed list the Ram tubing specs:
https://web.archive.org/web/20070513053057/http://rivbike.com/webalog/frames/50074.html

It's listed as .8/.5/.8 OS, exactly as Bruce said. Excitingly, that almost
perfectly matches the measurements I recently took from a 64cm Ram:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XeS2nJhBPSDRbqgG1-F2VOI_vK1QZnZmysARDJWyGps/edit?usp=sharing

I took the measurements before I saw those specs, so that validates my
results nicely.


Best,
Reed

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 1:53 PM Reed Kennedy  wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM Bruce Herbitter 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes Kieran it’s .8/.5/.8
>>
>
> Hey Bruce, thanks for sharing that. Would you mind letting us know how you
> came by that information?
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Kieran J  wrote:
>>
>> Too bad I didn't have my Ram at the Unmeeting. I've always assumed it's
>> OS 8-5-8 but since it's the biggest size, I'd sure like confirmation. Maybe
>> some day :-D
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 11:02:52 AM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>>
>>> Grant describes the differences between the Romulus and the Rambouillet
>>> (and the AHH) here, a bit down the page:
>>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/index.html
>>>
>>> He doesn't mention any tubing changes, so I suspect they're the same. I
>>> haven't gotten to measure one yet, though. Hope to track one down before
>>> too long!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Reed
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:34 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anyone know if the Romulus used the same tubing as the Ram?
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Reed Kennedy]

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM Bruce Herbitter 
wrote:

> Yes Kieran it’s .8/.5/.8
>

Hey Bruce, thanks for sharing that. Would you mind letting us know how you
came by that information?


Best,
Reed


>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2018, at 2:11 PM, Kieran J  wrote:
>
> Too bad I didn't have my Ram at the Unmeeting. I've always assumed it's OS
> 8-5-8 but since it's the biggest size, I'd sure like confirmation. Maybe
> some day :-D
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 11:02:52 AM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> Grant describes the differences between the Romulus and the Rambouillet
>> (and the AHH) here, a bit down the page:
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/index.html
>>
>> He doesn't mention any tubing changes, so I suspect they're the same. I
>> haven't gotten to measure one yet, though. Hope to track one down before
>> too long!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Reed
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:34 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know if the Romulus used the same tubing as the Ram?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

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Grant describes the differences between the Romulus and the Rambouillet
(and the AHH) here, a bit down the page:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/index.html

He doesn't mention any tubing changes, so I suspect they're the same. I
haven't gotten to measure one yet, though. Hope to track one down before
too long!


Best,
Reed

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> Does anyone know if the Romulus used the same tubing as the Ram?
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

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Thanks Tom, I appreciate the compliment! I'm planning to add it to a
"resources" sticky over on the iBOB list sometime soon. I'm not quite sure
how aligned this project is with the Riv philosophy, so I've been
relatively quieter about it here.

I'm also planning to write a blog post about the project once I have more
data (and time to write something more professional).


Best,
Reed

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 5:06 PM tc  wrote:

> Reed, I think this deserves the sticky thread treatment, given:
>
>- It's a lot of data that (hopefully) will be collected over time
>- It's a wonderful gift to the community
>- It would be hard to find, as this thread is entitled "New Roadeo (to
>me)"
>
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> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

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On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 7:33 PM Fullylugged 
wrote:

> Ram tubing is all Tohouku-Miyata.  Heat treated DT & CS.  Balance non heat
> treated.
> DT & TT .8/.5/.8   double butted
> ST 1.0/.6  butted
> HT  .9
> SS .7 double tapered
> CS .8
> Forks 1.0
>

Great stuff, thanks for that. It lines up well with the Ram I measured.
I've gone ahead and added your details as a tubing note on my spreadsheet.


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Reed Kennedy]

Thanks Tom! Good find, I'm glad to have that spec sheet. Looks like it goes
with the earlier Toyo Atlantises, before the Atlantis^2?

Of course, the problem now is figuring out which ones those are! I guess
it'd be any Atlantis that doesn't have the "2" on the decals? Would love to
track one down and compare.

I do have another sheet where I track frames I've measured against
published specs. So far things are pretty close...


Best,
Reed

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 5:52 PM tc  wrote:

> Reed, this is a very cool think you're doing :)  I'm not a left coaster,
> or I'd gladly have you measure them!  I did find this Toyo Atlantis build
> spec, including tubing, on Sheldon's site you might find interesting for
> comparing your actual results:
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/atlantis.html#specifications
>
> Tom
>
> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 10:31:24 AM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 7:39 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> As I understand it the Roadeo has significantly thinner tubing than the
>>> Romulus and Ram I owned. Noticeable enough that my one very short ride
>>> around the building at RBW told me I was riding a different, whippier,
>>> snappier bike than what I was familiar with. To my mind it was the
>>> difference between a Riv road bike built to a survivable standard under
>>> fairly stout riders, and one with a definite weight limit. Almost a
>>> "production custom", if you will.
>>>
>>
>> For the curious, the tubing wall thickness measurements I've taken of
>> several similar-sized Rivendell bikes can be found here:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XeS2nJhBPSDRbqgG1-F2VOI_vK1QZnZmysARDJWyGps/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Please note that I strongly suspect Riv uses different gauges of tubing
>> for different sizes, so these measurements almost certainly do not reflect
>> the tubing spec of smaller frames. I look forward to measuring other sizes
>> and finding out for sure!
>>
>> That said, since the Hunqapillar, Rambouillet, Roadeo, and Hilsen shown
>> at that link are all in the same size "neighborhood" it probably does give
>> a fair idea of the relative differences between the models.
>>
>> If anyone is around the SF Bay Area and would like their bikes measured,
>> please drop me a line!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Reed
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Reed Kennedy]

Excellent information and everything I was hoping to know. Thanks so much
Lum! Great to have info from Grant himself.


Best,
Reed

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:24 PM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> @Reed:
> But of course!
>
> Ram: from RivReader scan as posted on cyclofiend page.
> Roadini: from an email response from Grant
>
> I had asked him about the differences between the Roadini, NewHomer, and
> MUSARodeos because I wanted to get the lightest, fastest Rivbike model ever
> made as I already had 8/5/8 Rivs that were too overbuilt for me. So I knew
> I wanted something snappier and wanted to know what the lightest/thinnest
> tubed model was. He gave me the specs of the bikes so I could make a
> decision. I thought it over and knew I could not buy 8/5/8 or thicker again.
>
> The reason I call the Roadeo the MUSARoadeo is because there may be a
> TaiwanRoadeo coming out later that is so far planned be longer and stouter
> built than MUSA version (same source) so want to clarify for future readers
> which iteration we are discussing.
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Re: [RBW] Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

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On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:55 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Seconded about the BMW GS, I didn't know I could afford one now! Of course
> I still can't reach the ground on one, but...
>

Try the seat in the low position! There are two, and it makes a big
difference.

I've owned over 30 motorcycles in the last two decades. Now I only own the
GS. I adore it, and it does everything I need. 110,000 miles and counting.


Cheers,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Reed Kennedy]

Great info, thanks Lum. Might I ask where you're quoting from?

I found some (but not all) of that info here:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI_MAR_8.pdf
(Has a nice Roadeo vs Roadini section.)

I measured an AHH last night that had tapered butting. I measured three
times to make sure I wasn't getting a bad reading! Great to have some
confirmation of Riv using tapered tubes elsewhere. Would love to know where
you found that, and who said it.

I didn't think to measure if the tube itself was tapered. It was luged, so
I imagine not. Wish I'd measured, though!


Best,
Reed


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> Good question:
>
> Having not ridden one could check out the tubing specs to guess from that.
>
> Best we can know is, if I have copied all this correctly:
>
> Ram:Reynolds/TrueTemper mix.  8/5/8 DT/TT, 9/6 ST, 1.0 FBlades, 16mm x .7
> seatstays, .76 or .8 chainstays.
>
> Roadini:
> “0.9 x 0.7 TT and the length is cut from the butt (0.9) end. So you get
> the 0.9 up at the front, where top tubes buckle. The 0.7 is on the thick
> side for a belly (though it's the same as old Columbus SP, which was 1.0 x
> 0.7 x 1.0--as a historical reference).
>
> The 0.7 seat-post end is light. But that's the least stressed portion on a
> top tube. We use the same tube on our heavier bikes, but they're not
> "chopped from the butt." Weight  difference is minimal.
>
> DT is a tapered tube--31.8 x 1.1 at the head tube, to 28.6 x 0.8 at the
> bottom bracket. It's another "chopped from the butt" tube, to minimize the
> 1.1 length, but still giving it a lot of buckle-resistance.
>
> You might wonder why a tapered tube here, and why not fatten it at the BB?
> (Like Serotta's old "Colorado Concept" tubes were.) Well...almost all of
> the tilting/fatigue stress down there at the crank is localized on the base
> of the seat tube. I've seen 30 bikes (not all ours, thanks...) break there,
> and zero break at the downtube. Strain gauge stess analysis reveals that
> the stress is light on the down tube, heavy on the seat tube.
>
> That's why, on our TIG'd bikes, the seat tube is 1.1 there, and ovalized
> laterally to 34.9 x 28.6.”
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

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On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 3:02 AM 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thanks, guys. I guess they would recommend the Cliffhangers for a build?
>

Swung by Riv HQ with some folks after riding Briones yesterday. Will
confirmed that the built-bike in the pictures is a size Large with 650B
wheels. I didn’t look, but one of the other fellas on the ride (John?)
checked out the rims and said they were indeed Cliffhangers.

If you visit Riv and are willing to do some serious climbing consider
Briones! It was lovely. Pictures and stuff:
https://www.strava.com/activities/1860749043


Best,
Reed


On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 11:48:11 PM UTC-4, DarinM wrote:
>>
>> Price was mentioned in the "Sept 8, but..." Blahg posts. $1500 for frame
>> and fork only, but also $1900 for fillet brazed. He didn't specifically say
>> both would be available, maybe they're going to do one or the other? Or
>> maybe both, they got samples of both. Sounds like no stock completes a la
>> Clem.
>>
>> Darin
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 7:15:45 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't recall if it was mentioned whether the Gus Boots would be
>>> offered as complete only or also as a frameset? And was a general
>>> pricepoint mentioned?
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

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On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 7:39 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> As I understand it the Roadeo has significantly thinner tubing than the
> Romulus and Ram I owned. Noticeable enough that my one very short ride
> around the building at RBW told me I was riding a different, whippier,
> snappier bike than what I was familiar with. To my mind it was the
> difference between a Riv road bike built to a survivable standard under
> fairly stout riders, and one with a definite weight limit. Almost a
> "production custom", if you will.
>

For the curious, the tubing wall thickness measurements I've taken of
several similar-sized Rivendell bikes can be found here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XeS2nJhBPSDRbqgG1-F2VOI_vK1QZnZmysARDJWyGps/edit?usp=sharing

Please note that I strongly suspect Riv uses different gauges of tubing for
different sizes, so these measurements almost certainly do not reflect the
tubing spec of smaller frames. I look forward to measuring other sizes and
finding out for sure!

That said, since the Hunqapillar, Rambouillet, Roadeo, and Hilsen shown at
that link are all in the same size "neighborhood" it probably does give a
fair idea of the relative differences between the models.

If anyone is around the SF Bay Area and would like their bikes measured,
please drop me a line!


Best,
Reed

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

[Reed Kennedy]

On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 6:08 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

>
> In the argument above I bet money that my zip ties would be intact for a
> long time. They are still rock solid for what it’s worth.


I also zip tie basket to my racks. Sadly haven’t found them to work in
perpetuity, it does eventually break. Specifically, the basket wires
eventually break near the ties. I’ve also had some of the basket welds
fail.

I wish the basket would last as long as the zip ties!


Best,
Reed

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

[Reed Kennedy]

Glad so many of y’all are curating your bikes and keeping them pristine. I
really appreciate it when I buy ‘em used!

As for me? When I’m on a brevet and hit a control the bike is getting
leaned against whatever is quick and handy as long as it won’t damage the
metal bits. Part of the reason I went with a powder coat on my custom is
durability: I consider it a protective layer just as much as an aesthetic
feature.

I figure when the powder coat gets awful that’s my cue to pick a new color!

Now, my vintage bikes with their original finish? That’s a whole different
ballgame. I don’t like to rest ‘em on anything but a bike stand.

I should probably own fewer vintage bikes.


Best,
Reed

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wrote:

> Whenever I see a bike without chips, flecks or stickers on it I’m curious
> if the rider does more than just ride it out the door and do loops and then
> come back again. No shame in that game if that’s what you I just can’t
> imagine making it through riding a fire road, locking up, taking it on a
> train, in a car or anywhere without some chips and such happening.
>
> -J
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 2016 Sam Hillborne 55 cm - $1300

[Reed Kennedy]

I’ve seen Babs’ bike in person and it really is a lovely Sam.

And what a deal! That’s less than a complete Clem. Heck, it’s less than a
Sam or Homer frame alone!


Best,
Reed
SF, CA

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:45 AM Babs  wrote:

> Forgot to mention that I'm living in Palo Alto, California, so if you want
> me to ship it, you'll have to pay the cost of packing and bike flights.
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 11:42:41 AM UTC-7, Babs wrote:
>>
>> Hello Riv-ers!
>>
>>
>> I'm selling a lovely blue 2016 55cm Sam Hillborne because of...grad
>> school. The number 1 reason I’m selling is that I need the money, and
>> second, it’s probably slightly too big. Since I bought it I’ve built up my
>> own randonneuring bike, which fits me much better, so I don't realy
>> need the Sam...sigh.
>>
>> Photos here!
>> 
>>
>> I bought it in June 2017 from the original owner who had barely ridden it
>> - it looked brand new. Everything functions perfectly, there are just some
>> scratches/paint chips (which I’ve sealed with clear nail polish). There’s
>> also a purely cosmetic manufacturing defect on the cable guide near the
>> back of the top tube (pictured). I have taken it on dirt singletrack and
>> used it for hauling around town, as my philosophy was to ride & enjoy it.
>> The paint chips could easily be fixed with paint from Rivendell. I’m asking
>> $1300 - much less than I paid, because of this. Please let me know if this
>> is unreasonable :))
>>
>> The spec is the exact same as the choco bar sam
>>  on
>> the rivendell website except for the grips. I found the cork grips too
>> slippery for off-road riding, so I put on some black locking Odi grips. As
>> a mountain biker, I like the look, but if you want the cork ones, they're
>> $26 from Rivendell's site
>> 
>> (one of them cracked when I removed them).
>>
>> Comes with one water bottle cage, and another if I find it :) Also
>> includes saddle & pedals!
>>
>> Happy riding,
>>
>> Barbara
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Likely FS soon: Rambouillet 60 & Legolas 59

[Reed Kennedy]

Following up on the Great Roadeo Tubing Debate:

I've been using a piece of industrial testing equipment to measure wall
thickness in bike frames. Last weekend I was fortunate enough to measure a
Roadeo, Rambouillet, A. Homer Hilsen, and Hunqapillar all in similar sizes.
(Thanks to Ben Miller!)

Results are here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XeS2nJhBPSDRbqgG1-F2VOI_vK1QZnZmysARDJWyGps/edit?usp=sharing

Short version: The Roadeo is lighter of tube than the Hilsen, with the main
difference being the top tube. However, the 61cm version I measured was not
built with 6/4/6 tubing. Interestingly, the 64cm Rambouillet was almost as
thin / light, but the Roadeo was just a touch thinner.

If anyone around the SF Bay Area has a smaller Roadeo I'd be excited to
measure it. Or, frankly, any other Riv!


Best,
Reed

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:24 AM Brian Campbell 
wrote:

> This is an e-mail exchange I had with Mark at Riv a few years back. I
> think it s his way of telling me that the the ultra lightweight tubing is
> in the smaller sized Roadeos only. YMMV.
>
>
>
> Hi Brian,
>
>
>
> In sizes 59cm and up, the tube spec is pretty similar between the Roadeo
> and Hilsen.  So, the main difference with probably come from lighter
> components and smaller volume tires, resulting in a more spirited ride
> feel. This along with slight geometry differences would differentiate the
> two models.
>
>
>
> Any other questions, let me know.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Campbell,Brian D.
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 12:22pm
> To: "m...@rivbike.com" 
> Subject: Roadeo or Hilsen
>
> Mark,
>
>
>
> Hi. I spoke with Will and he suggested an e-mail to you. I ride a 61cm AHH
> (really like it) but am finding I am doing more and more riding where I am
> focused on riding by itself, not carrying things or commuting per se. I was
> considering a Roadeo (also in 61cm or perhaps 59cm size, I can fit both per
> Riv’s sizing method 87cm PB height)) and aside from rear spacing, shifter
> mounts, tires size and slight front end geometry difference on the Roadeo,
> is there a meaningful difference in the tubing types between the two
> frames? If yes, could you let me know what they might be?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Brian
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Reed Kennedy]

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 7:09 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Tangent from the current Blahg: That ebike video was weird. "We don't read
> books" ? 
>

I know, I know! They don't read books, they don't eat nice meals, and their
bikes don't need to be pedaled.

What are they saving all this time and energy for? It must be amazing!


Reed
(Who will be quite abashed when an ebike rider cures cancer.)

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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[Reed Kennedy]

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 9:17 AM Brewster Fong  wrote:

>
>
> On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 10:14:11 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> There is no "like him". Jobst was a cantankerous fellow who rode hard and
>> didn't think much of things like road conditions or exhaustion.
>
>
> Agree, you need to do a search for his annual Europe trips. He had a
> checklist of things he would pack.
>

Now that's a packing list I'd like to see! Lemme dig for a minute...

I think this is it:
https://yarchive.net/bike/baggage.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20010410090452/http://www-math.science.unitn.it/Bike/General/Packing_List.html

Also came across this extended version, which says it is based on Jobst's:
https://www.trentobike.org/Countries/Europe/Tour_Reports/French_Swiss_Alps_1998/packlist.html


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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse crank wobble/deflection issue(?)

[Reed Kennedy]

Interesting, thanks Michael.

Anyone know the Q factor measurement of the aforelinked IRD Lobo Adventure
crankset?


Best,
Reed

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 4:37 PM Michael Doleman 
wrote:

>
> https://store.interlocracing.com/loacr.html
>
>
> On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 4:27:14 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> Metin,
>>
>> Understood, but a second (or even sixth) installation surely won't void
>> the warranty, will it?
>>
>> Recommendations for a narrow Q non-square-taper crank that can be run as
>> a 44/28 double?
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Reed
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 4:17 PM Metin Uz  wrote:
>>
>>> Reed,
>>>
>>> Square taper cranks have a limited number of installation cycles before
>>> they will be too deformed, although that number could be fairly large. The
>>> theory is that the each properly torqued installation pushes the crank
>>> taper further into the spindle.
>>>
>>> For a travel bike that needs crank removal, I would switch to a non
>>> square taper crank.
>>>
>>> --Metin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 4:05:03 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 1:34 PM Lum Gim Fong 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I say "if you dare" because a second mounting might void warranty.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why in the world would removing and remounting a crank void the
>>>> warranty? These are not single use items.
>>>>
>>>> I must remove my René Herse drive side crank arm every time I pack my
>>>> bike in to an airline case. I certainly hope reinstallation is expected!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Reed Kennedy
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse crank wobble/deflection issue(?)

[Reed Kennedy]

Metin,

Understood, but a second (or even sixth) installation surely won't void the
warranty, will it?

Recommendations for a narrow Q non-square-taper crank that can be run as a
44/28 double?


Best,
Reed

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 4:17 PM Metin Uz  wrote:

> Reed,
>
> Square taper cranks have a limited number of installation cycles before
> they will be too deformed, although that number could be fairly large. The
> theory is that the each properly torqued installation pushes the crank
> taper further into the spindle.
>
> For a travel bike that needs crank removal, I would switch to a non square
> taper crank.
>
> --Metin
>
> On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 4:05:03 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 1:34 PM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:
>>
>>> I say "if you dare" because a second mounting might void warranty.
>>>
>>
>> Why in the world would removing and remounting a crank void the warranty?
>> These are not single use items.
>>
>> I must remove my René Herse drive side crank arm every time I pack my
>> bike in to an airline case. I certainly hope reinstallation is expected!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Reed Kennedy
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse crank wobble/deflection issue(?)

[Reed Kennedy]

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 1:34 PM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> I say "if you dare" because a second mounting might void warranty.
>

Why in the world would removing and remounting a crank void the warranty?
These are not single use items.

I must remove my René Herse drive side crank arm every time I pack my bike
in to an airline case. I certainly hope reinstallation is expected!


Best,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Likely FS soon: Rambouillet 60 & Legolas 59

[Reed Kennedy]

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:24 PM Kainalu V.  wrote:

> In jestish, so yes, kiddingly not kidding. And your friend's bike rules!
> What's the dims on that monster?
>

If memory serves it's a 67cm frame with 650B wheels. I think he said his
PBH is 101cm!


Cheers,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Likely FS soon: Rambouillet 60 & Legolas 59

[Reed Kennedy]

Dang, thanks so much Brian! I have learned so much by derailing this poor
thread!

As someone who just picked up a 65cm Hilsen and then found himself
wondering if he'd be better served by a Roadeo the info from Mark you
shared is music to my ears.

The Hilsen fits better, takes a bigger tire, and has more BB drop, all
things I like. Yet I was thinking of giving it all up for a lighter-tubed
Roadeo! Glad to know there's not much improvement to be had, at least in my
size.

Even better, I already have the Hilsen.


Best,
Reed

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:24 AM Brian Campbell 
wrote:

> This is an e-mail exchange I had with Mark at Riv a few years back. I
> think it s his way of telling me that the the ultra lightweight tubing is
> in the smaller sized Roadeos only. YMMV.
>
>
>
> Hi Brian,
>
>
>
> In sizes 59cm and up, the tube spec is pretty similar between the Roadeo
> and Hilsen.  So, the main difference with probably come from lighter
> components and smaller volume tires, resulting in a more spirited ride
> feel. This along with slight geometry differences would differentiate the
> two models.
>
>
>
> Any other questions, let me know.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Campbell,Brian D.
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 12:22pm
> To: "m...@rivbike.com" 
> Subject: Roadeo or Hilsen
>
> Mark,
>
>
>
> Hi. I spoke with Will and he suggested an e-mail to you. I ride a 61cm AHH
> (really like it) but am finding I am doing more and more riding where I am
> focused on riding by itself, not carrying things or commuting per se. I was
> considering a Roadeo (also in 61cm or perhaps 59cm size, I can fit both per
> Riv’s sizing method 87cm PB height)) and aside from rear spacing, shifter
> mounts, tires size and slight front end geometry difference on the Roadeo,
> is there a meaningful difference in the tubing types between the two
> frames? If yes, could you let me know what they might be?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Brian
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Likely FS soon: Rambouillet 60 & Legolas 59

[Reed Kennedy]

Yeah, I’ve never heard of a frame that thin gauge in a size that big.
Probably because it won’t work well. But nobody seems to know for sure as
nobody I’ve talked to has tried it.

I think I know someone who’d build me such a thing, I’m just stalling
because I’m hesitant to spend money (and ask a builder to spend their time)
on an experiment that might end up unrideable and get recycled.


Best,
Reed

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 9:45 PM Ian A  wrote:

> Reed: A 747 standard tubing frame in that size would be unusual. I wonder
> if Norther/Lyon would do a one-off for you? Wouldn't hurt to ask
> https://northercycles.squarespace.com/jeff-lyon-colaboration/
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Re: [RBW] Re: Likely FS soon: Rambouillet 60 & Legolas 59

[Reed Kennedy]

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 8:22 PM Ian A  wrote:

> Reed wrote: "
>
> I'm still sorta stunned Grant spec'd anything with tubing that thin, but
> there it is in black and white. Sorry I doubted you!"
>
> Bear in mind, the tubing referenced is OS tubing. The equivalent would be
> somehere between 858 and 969 in standard "skinny" tubing. You might also
> verify the tubing used on the larger sizes.
>
> Apologies if the above info was obvious. Just wanted to mention it.
>

A very good point, Ian. I "knew" that, but sure wasn't remembering it
during this conversation. The Roadeo I test-rode at Riv definitely felt
more similar to my 9/6/9 standard diameter bikes. So subjective though!

I remain tempted to beg some poor frame builder to make 200lbs me a 64cm
7/4/7 standard diameter frame, just to see what happens.

Maybe that'll be my reward for selling all the bikes I don't ride. ::grin::


Best,
Reed Kennedy
San Francisco, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Likely FS soon: Rambouillet 60 & Legolas 59

[Reed Kennedy]

Dang, good call Lum! Thanks for the interview link, I'm looking forward to
reading through.

I'm still sorta stunned Grant spec'd anything with tubing that thin, but
there it is in black and white. Sorry I doubted you!

I suppose now the question is... Could I get a 63cm to fit? Hmm...


Best,
Reed

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 6:53 PM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> Reed:
> Scroll down to question #5:
> http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=376
>
> Grant tells all !!! 6/4/6!!!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Likely FS soon: Rambouillet 60 & Legolas 59

[Reed Kennedy]

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 10:24 AM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> Roadeos are so fast!!!
> 6/4/6 DT and TT
>

Lum, I find that hard to believe. Can you support that claim?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[Reed Kennedy]

I appreciate the versatility of the Surly 8-Pack Rack, but the
erector-set-style mounting gives me the heebies. Even if it works well and
doesn't rattle loose it just looks... bad.

I'm planning to try the Soma Champs Élysées Mini Front Rack for my
new-to-me Hilsen:
https://www.modernbike.com/soma-champs-elysees-front-mini-rack---stainless

But it very much looks to be a rack intended to support a brevet bag (if
that) and not much more. Soma doesn't list a weight limit, but I doubt it's
basket-worthy.


Best,
Reed Kennedy

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 2:06 PM Ginz  wrote:

> I've been thinking about this an I'm really intrigued by the Surly 8-Pack
> rack vs. the Nitto 32F.  The surly doesn't seem to interfere with the fork
> crown and straddle carrier in any way.  Installation looks as clunky as any
> of these racks with canti-brakes.
>
> Also curious to see what the Nitto basket rack looks like, but might try
> to pick up a used Surly 8-Pack if I see one.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Hillborne in Sage Color, 62cm or 64cm

[Reed Kennedy]

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:53 PM Cody Bartz  wrote:

> Thank you Kainalu and Reed. According to the geometry charts, the
> Waterford Sam, size 64cm, has a stand over height of 91.5cm. The current
> Sam, size 62cm, has a stand over height of 90.5. Is that 1cm difference
> going to feel much different? In the 64cm Sam, the top tube appears to be
> 2cm longer, and the chain stays are 1cm shorter.
>

Ah, good point Cody! I forgot that unlike my Hilsen the current Sam has a
6° sloping top tube. The 62cm 6° New-Sam has the same theoretical 62.5cm
top tube as my 65cm 1.5° Waterford-Hilsen. Should get the bars up just
about as high and fit just about the same. I got it wrong, I bet you'd fit
just fine on the 62cm New-Sam. (And I bet I would too!)

You're right about the longer top tube on the 64cm Waterford-Sam compared
to the 62cm New-Sam. All other things being equal (and all bodies being
proportional) the longer TT'd 64cm Waterford-Sam might be predisposed to
work a bit better with upright bars, and the shorter TT'd 62cm New-Sam
might be preferable for drop bars. But I suspect both would work out with
either.

All that said, bear in mind what Grant said on the old Rambouillet flyer:

"The least useful [fit information], yet most likely to be harped on, is
top tube length. You cannot compare bikes by top tube length unless seat
tube angles and head tube height and steerer length are exactly the same."

Of course he's right. The Hilsen I'm building only needed a 1cm shorter
stem to put the bars in the same place as my custom Fitz, which has a 2cm
shorter top tube!


Best,
Reed

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Hillborne in Sage Color, 62cm or 64cm

[Reed Kennedy]

I'll second Kai's recommendation of the 64cm if you have a PBH of 95cm. My
PBH is 93.5cm and my 65cm AHH is building up to fit just perfectly. I don't
think I'd want it to be any smaller.


Best,
Reed

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Kainalu V.  wrote:

> When I got my Hillborne, the 64 was the only one made in Wisconsin. I
> think they all were cantilever ready, probably could've gotten it without.
> And at 95 PBH, I'd say you should be taking aim at the 64. I was at the
> very top of the range and it was a bit small, would've been perfect for me
> with some drop bars. For you, I think you'd find it accommodating to most
> anything. As for finding one, hang out on the bridges and you might get
> lucky!
> -Kai
> BKNY
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Re: [RBW] FS: 65 Homer Hilsen F/F/HS

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On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 9:41 PM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> I vote Silver DT shifters.
>

Downtubes for sure, but I already have Silver shifters on my Velo Routier,
which may be the only bike to come with Silver shifters as original
equipment from the factory!

I almost put on Simplex retrofriction shifters like the ones on my Fitz,
but then I discovered a pair of Campagnolo Doppler shifters I'd squirreled
away some time ago. I think it's finally time to break those out and give
them a go!


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Re: [RBW] Re: Thought on Dyno vs. asymmetrical battery headlights?

[Reed Kennedy]

I have Schmitt dynamo hubs and Edelux lights on two bikes, and I adore
them. So convenient and simple to use.

I also have another bike with a Shutter Precision hub which has been more
trouble, but is finally working well now.

Surprisingly, all three have all been left unmolested in San Francisco,
even the bike that is often parked outside.

I do have a couple other bikes that I'm often tempted to ride on longer
brevets, but don't because they don't have lights. I just ordered a Ixon IQ
so I'll have the option of riding these, and to have a light to lend to
friends who want to try a brevet without committing to a full lighting
setup. We'll see what I think of it in practice.


Best,
Reed

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 3:45 PM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> Trouble is, the not-ridden-as-much bike needs to have its battery charged
> for the light to work, and being not-ridden-as-much, is likely to have not
> much charge just when you need it most.
>
> On 08/21/2018 06:22 PM, Collin A wrote:
>
> I agree with Tom's points. A dynamo is great for the all-rounder bikes
> that always gets ridden. My road/gofast/not-ridden-as-much bike has the
> battery lights as needed for the shorter daylight days. If you can find an
> asymmetrical light with rechargeable batteries, all the better!
>
> On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 at 1:01:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>> On my primary allrounder/commuter I have dynamo wheel and lights.  Here
>> are the reasons I like the dynamo:
>>
>> 1) If you ride it every day it's just one more thing you don't have to
>> worry about. I'm also not "saving" my battery charge for when it's "really
>> dark."
>> 2) Battery lights don't work very well in the cold. I had too many
>> battery lights die on me on dark winter nights.
>> 3) Three words: Daytime Running Lights. I'm pretty sure the always-on
>> lights on my IQ Fly have saved me from several left hooks.
>>
>> Instead of having a fancy custom-made dynamo wheel I ordered mine from
>> Germany, where everyone is required to run lights on their bikes. It's
>> sturdy and utilitarian, but you won't win any races with the extra weight
>> and drag of any dynamo system.
>>
>
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Re: [RBW] FS: 65 Homer Hilsen F/F/HS

[Reed Kennedy]

This one is all mine now. Thanks Ben!

Now I just gotta figure out which parts to build it up with. H...


Reed

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> For your consideration, a 65 Homer Hilsen Frame/Fork/Headset made a
> Waterford. $1000+shipping via Bikeflights
>
> No dents or dings. Some beausage, lost paint chips from normal use.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZozAp9arDV1WVdw99
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Re: [RBW] Fwd: WTB: 700c wheelset with 135mm rear spacing

[Reed Kennedy]

Hey Doug, I think I saw those on Craigslist! Beautiful wheelset, wish
they'd fit my new-to-me AHH, but I don't think there's a brake made that
will 650b-convert a Homer!

Kiley, I'll drop you a line about your wheels, thanks!


Cheers,
Reed

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> Reed:
>
> I have a 135mm Riv-built 650b set if you are interested.
>
>  https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/DoLg46MnVC8
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>
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[RBW] Fwd: WTB: 700c wheelset with 135mm rear spacing

[Reed Kennedy]

Thanks to another list member I have been fortunate enough to adopt an A.
Homer Hilsen. This one wants 700c wheels and the rear is spaced for a 135mm
mountain / touring rear hub.

Anyone have a spare wheelset they're interested in parting with? Preference
is for something at least vaguely on the lighter side and with reasonably
wide rims. Doesn't need a dynamo (though I'd be open to that). Don't care
if the rims are tubeless compatible or not.

Happy to pay $$. Could also trade a super nice Velocity Atlas / Phil Wood
touring wheelset if you're looking to do some offroad riding or loaded
touring.


Reed Kennedy
San Francisco, CA

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Re: [RBW] FS: 65 Homer Hilsen F/F/HS

[Reed Kennedy]

Mind measuring the top tube, Ben? The 65cm isn’t listed on the current Riv
geometry charts.

Also, what’s your location? Would you sell in person to someone nearby?

Best,
Reed

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>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: TdF pros are using oversize rear derailer pulleys. Should you? Or, trickle... up? Cycle technology

[Reed Kennedy]

On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 1:30 PM Brewster Fong  wrote:

> When did Grant come up with this idea?  Large pulleys have been around
> since at least 2013 and possibly earlier:
>

Much earlier, in fact! The first one I'm aware of was the Dura Ace 7700 GS
from 2001:
http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/Shimano_Dura-Ace_derailleur_7700_GS.html

Anyone know of anything older?


Best,
Reed
(Wishing that pretty, shiny, 7700 GS rear mech was still available.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: IRD Roller Drive Headset

[Reed Kennedy]

Wow, thanks Lum! I had no idea the A9 was still available new. I'd easily
choose one of those over an IRD Roller Drive.

As a matter of fact, I think I'll buy one just to have as a spare.


Cheers,
Reed

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> I love my IRD roller drive headset.
> But I might get a Stronglight headset from Peter White Cycles next time so
> there will not be a plastic ring on the locknut to break on my next
> headset. I have a VO and 600 headsets with black plastic rings and both
> rings broke. IRD ok so far. But just for all silver and nothing to break I
> might get the Stronglight needle bearing headset from PJW next time. You
> might want to take a look at his website for it if you can’t find your IRD
> for a reasonable price. Stronglight is 60$ I think.
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Re: [RBW] IRD Roller Drive Headset

[Reed Kennedy]

I bought two Double Roller Drive headsets from Universal Cycles last week.
Took five minutes, no muss, no fuss. They arrived in 3 days.

These have needle bearings both top and bottom, but that’s a plus for my
application (low trail) where friction is desired. Unless you really want
the ball bearing upper, this is an easy answer.

As for why the mixed bearing roller drive is hard to find: Dunno. My best
guess is that not many companies stock it because not many people care.


Best,
Reed

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 12:25 PM George Schick  wrote:

> I'm in need of a new headset and I like the way the IRD Roller Drive has
> worked on one of my bikes.  So...I went to the Riv website to see if they
> had any AND no got (in fact, they're only carrying one product now) BUT I
> decided to snoop around the Web to see if anyone else has any of 'em AND
> very slim pickins SO I checked into one of the LBS's on-line catalog where
> I've purchased IRD parts before and - guess what - No Got!!  HOWEVER, upon
> checking with IRD directly I found that they have an on-line store of their
> own and, of course, THEY carry 'em.
>
> Wazzup mitt dat?  Is this one of those deals where a vendor is refusing to
> offer their products at reasonable wholesale rates to retailers thinking
> they can take 100% of the profits themselves?
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Re: [RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

[Reed Kennedy]

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:07 PM Ron Mc  wrote:

> And having one data point is much less than the population of bicycle
> frames.
>
Hey Ron, thank you for your thoughtful, educated, and thorough posts on
this topic. I, for one, have tremendously enjoyed reading them and have
learned a good deal, specifically about the differences between various
types of steel oxidation.

I didn't mean to imply that these pictures are proof that protecting the
inside of a bicycle's frame tubes from corrosion is never worthwhile under
any circumstances. I don't believe that. That's why I was careful to learn
as much of the history of the frame pictured as I could, and to spell it
all out in my post.

Personally, before I cut up this frame I had zero data points. I figure
many folks on the forum are in a similar position. Now we have one data
point. I hope that's better? And not just enough knowledge to be dangerous.

Myself, I live in the same place this frame was ridden. So the information
is especially helpful to me. The question in my mind was whether I should
disassemble a bike I bought new for $1,200 just to apply Frame Saver. I
don't think I will. On the other hand, next time I take it apart for some
other reason I will go ahead and treat it.

For me, protecting the inside of the tubes from rust isn't a "do" or
"don't" question. It's a "rush" or "do when convenient" question.

I figure I can hold off until I wear out the headset and bottom bracket,
and do it then. There's so little downside! And I like the idea that others
will enjoy these bicycles well past my own time here.


Best,
Reed

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[RBW] How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

[Reed Kennedy]

We had a conversation about a month back about Frame Saver and similar
products, and how important they are. I ended up cutting up a frame for an
unrelated project this week, so I can offer a little bit of insight. Or at
least some photos!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LbF8eMQdD5c51dVv5

This is a 1987 Centurion Ironman Expert made from Tange No. 1, aka SAE
4130. Almost all steel bikes are made from 4130 or something *very* similar
these days, so this tubeset is nicely representative.

The bike was never treated with framesaver or anything else, and was ridden
on and off for 30 years. I believe it spent the whole time in California.
Most recently it was ridden around San Francisco, so fairly humid, moderate
temperatures, some salt in the air.

I've been feeling bad about not Frame Saver-ing my Velo Routier for a year
and a half. I'm gonna stop feeling bad now.


Best,
Reed

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Re: [RBW] Do I need this toothed spacer on my bike?

[Reed Kennedy]

Not if it works without it, in my opinion.

I've both used and not-used them. Problems I've had when not-using:
1) Pads run in to fork blades, because the caliper is nearer the fork.
2) Threaded rod that bolts the caliper to the fork crown sticks out extra
in the back. That's more of a problem with a recessed setup, because it can
keep your allen key from extending deep enough in to the nut to provide
good torque.

The obvious problem of caliper rotation isn't actually much of a problem,
as the caliper is mostly self-centering when set up correctly.

OTOH, they only cost $1 or so at your LBS, and you are *supposed* to have
one. I've now added them back to all the bikes where they had been missing.


Best,
Reed

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Re: [RBW] FS: Leather Basket Tote Bag for Wald 'Medium' Basket, Single-Slot Card Wallets

[Reed Kennedy]

Not annoying at all as far as I'm concerned David! I've been meaning to
pick up one of your leather goodies for a while, and just grabbed the green
waxed leather bag and a belt. Thanks so much!

I'm gonna have to clean my bike so it's good enough for this beautiful bag.
::grin::


Best,
Reed

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> I've been on vacation this week, and wanted to try something new in my
> bagmaking adventures, and mark down some ready-made single-slot wallets.
> I made a small run of all leather basket tote bags that are made to fit
> the Wald 'Medium' basket, aka 137.
> Thought this group might be interested as it's a bit more unique of a
> basket bag that'd look stylish on a Riv.
>
> I have three leather options, olive waxed, medium brown, and natural tan.
> Prices range from $50-$75.
> Basket totes are here:
> These are in my webstore here:
> https://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/leather-basket-tote
>
> Also have some single slot card wallets made up that I'd like to get out
> and in use. Single slot fits a few cards and cash folded in half. Nice for
> rides when you just want to carry a couple bills and cards.
> These are $15 now.
> Wallets in my webstore here:
> https://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/lone-oak-wallet
>
>
> I'll cover shipping for RBW-OBers. Go through the webstore to pay, and
> used code LOCAL at checkout to take off the shipping charge. If you want
> anything else in the webstore, it'll all ship free as well. There's Willow
> chainrings, a few bag choices, and other leather good options and some
> prototypes on the cheap.
>
> Apologies if this falls under an 'annoying thread' for folks. Just
> throwing this out there as a buncha bunchers have purchased items from me
> in the past.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA Ram on Ebay

[Reed Kennedy]

Huh. Good eye Lum.

While being unridden might make it an extra-good buy, it also makes me
sorta sad. Such a lovely bike, waiting all this time, never getting to be
ridden even once in how many years? 14?

Hope the next owner fixes that!


Best,
Reed

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> Interesting.
> Dropouts don't have any clamping marks. Looks like never ridden before?
> If never ridden, would be a great score!
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Re: [RBW] Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Reed Kennedy]

I sometimes use these:
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/high5-zero-electrolyte-drink-tablets/rp-prod42650

They come from the UK, but I order enough to get free shipping, so the cost
is pretty reasonable.

Unlike the similar Nuun product that’s available here in the States these
High5 Zero tablets actually contain no carbs at all.

Or, even better, cut out the color and artificial sweetener too and just
wash a Salt Stick tablet down with good old water:
https://www.rei.com/product/823163/saltstick-electrolyte-salt-capsules-100-capsules

Salt Stick even makes a version with both electrolytes and caffeine, which
have been a huge help on more difficult brevets.


Best,
Reed

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> There is a lot of sweating going on recently, and I'm wondering if anyone
> can recommend an electrolyte replacement strategy without sugar.  I sense
> that long summer rides go better when I use Gatorade with water (not water
> alone).  But I'd like to avoid the sugar/carbs.  Will any salty food do the
> trick?  Or is there a better way?  Suggestions?
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Re: [RBW] Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Reed Kennedy]

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 8:48 AM Neil Doran  wrote:.

>
> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I
> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only
> cost me a small fortune to find out.
>

I would be shocked (shocked, I say!) if this tire came anywhere near
fitting under a R559.

I know the R559 states it is 55-73mm reach, but it’s important to
understand how that’s measured. It’s from the center of the hole in the
fork crown to the top edge of the brake pad. There’s a lot of brake below
the center of the mounting bolt, and a little rim above where the top of
the brake pad strikes the rim.

My Paul Racer Medium calipers (47-57mm reach) clear a 38mm-measured tire
with the pads at the bottom of the slots (the 57mm setting). There is about
4mm to spare in my opinion. They don’t clear a 44mm-measured tire, I tried.
So the tire clearance of a center-mount brake seems to be about 15mm less
than the brake reach. (57mm - 42mm = 15mm)

Note that the Paul Racer makes extremely efficient use of space, one of the
reasons I love it. Most brakes will encroach on the top of the tire more
than the Paul Racer does.

Note also that most frames won’t put the brake shoes at the bottom of the
slots. You’ll want to measure to be sure what your actual brake reach is.

Assuming the best in all cases (clearance as good as the Paul Racer, pads
at the bottom of the R559 slots) you’d still be looking at 73mm-15mm =
58mm, and this is a 55mm tire. Does not look good.

Fortunately the Compass Snoqualmie Pass 700x44 is a great tire and should
fit well with good clearances.


Best,
Reed Kennedy
San Francisco, CA

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Re: [RBW] Ottolock Initial Reviews???

[Reed Kennedy]

I have an older, shorter Ottolock, almost certainly from the first batch. I
am a lucky fellow: I found it in the street last year.

Doubly lucky, because it still had the default combination: 0-0-0. That
matters because I have tried several times to pick it, and have never
managed! I've studied lock picking and physical security a fair amount, and
while I am definitely an amateur I consider myself above average at this
stuff.

I've left a bike locked up with the Ottolock and returned to find that
somebody else had also tried to pick it. (Numbers different than when I
left, bike moved a bit.) None of these fine security testers have managed
to open it either.

I use it for touring and brevets, times I won't be away from my bike long.
As a rule of thumb, I use it anytime I'd be willing to lock up a bike with
an unguarded QR front wheel.

It is seriously small and light!


Best,
Reed

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> Any users of the improved Ottolock out there? I heard the first batch was
> comically easy to "pick" the combination lock. They fixed it enough that
> Rivendell is now selling them. Anyone pick up the updated lock? Is 30"
> enough lock? I keep finding myself without a good locking solution for
> grocery and cafe stops. This looks like it could be a good option...
>
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> Berkeley, CA
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Re: [RBW] Coffee Making Question

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Allow me to share with you my wonderful, boring secret.

A thermos.

Wait! Don't go! Hear me out.

To make coffee while out on the bike, you need a lotta stuff. Stove to heat
the water. Fuel for the stove. Pot to hold the water. Coffee, maybe a
grinder. Filter. Vessel to receive the coffee. Probably water. Maybe more,
if you wanna get fancy or put stuff in the coffee. Even if you go super
minimalist with a Jetboil or the like, that's a bunch of stuff (and a
reasonable amount of complexity and weight.)

I make the coffee at home, season it to taste, put it straight in to a high
quality thermos, and seal it up. Generally it's too hot to drink for the
first hour or two, and just right a couple to a few hours in to the ride.

Thus the procedure is:

   - Find a beautiful place to stop.
   - Stop there.
   - Unscrew lid.
   - Enjoy coffee.

Cheating? Perhaps. Useful for camping? No. But it sure works for me, even
on longer bike rides. I just refill when I ride through any town with a
cafe!


Reed

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> I notice a strong correlation to those who love Riv Bikes, for a love of
> coffee. On instagram I see a lot of coffee brewing bike kits for when folks
> are out on their bikes. I am curious to know what people use. If you have a
> coffee bike kit, would you share what you take with you?
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Re: [RBW] Re: SF Bay Area: Bike camping on June 23rd & 24th! Final routes inside

[Reed Kennedy]

Sounds good Scott! I'll keep you in the loop.


Best,
Reed

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> interested!
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> Portola is a beautiful spot.
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Re: [RBW] Tire Pressure Question

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On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Reed Kennedy <r...@notfine.com> wrote:

> I run the Grand Bois Cypres EL (marked 30mm) and the Compass Stampede Pass
> EL (marked 32mm) interchangeably on my MAP. Both measure almost exactly
> 32mm when installed on Velocity A23 rims.
>
> 60 psi front, 70 psi rear. Rider: 200 lbs. Front load: 5 lbs. Rear load:
> None.
>

And in case anyone is curious, here are the tire pressures I run on my
other bikes, similar loads:

32mm: 60 psi front, 70 psi rear
38mm: 45 psi front, 55 psi rear
42mm: 40 psi front, 45 psi rear
48mm: 35 psi front, 40 psi rear

On the 38mm tires and up I'll drop the pressure by up to 10 psi when riding
offroad. (I don't ride the bike with 32mm tires offroad.)


Best,
Reed

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Re: [RBW] Tire Pressure Question

[Reed Kennedy]

I run the Grand Bois Cypres EL (marked 30mm) and the Compass Stampede Pass
EL (marked 32mm) interchangeably on my MAP. Both measure almost exactly
32mm when installed on Velocity A23 rims.

60 psi front, 70 psi rear. Rider: 200 lbs. Front load: 5 lbs. Rear load:
None.

Performs great. I'd probably drop those pressures by about 5-10 psi each
for a 35mm tire.

I highly recommend the Edison Gauss tire pressure app (available for both
iOS and Android), which is based on research done by Frank Berto and
followed up by Bicycle Quarterly:
http://www.edisongauss.com/index.php/berto-tire-pressure-app/

I'd seriously recommend against running the pressures shown on the
sidewalls. As discussed here and elsewhere at length, those are maximum
pressures, not optimal pressures. Would be like driving exactly the speed
limit all the time, without regard for corners or conditions. Perhaps
possible, but certainly not ideal.


Best,
Reed

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 7:40 AM, RichS  wrote:

> For those of you who ride 700 x 32-35 size tires (with tubes) on roads,
> what is the minimum tire pressure you're comfortable using?
>
> I realize there are factors such as rim width, tire compound and rider
> weight that influence this. Many thanks for your feedback!
>
> Best regards,
> Richard
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

[Reed Kennedy]

On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 8:28 PM Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:

> On Saturday, May 19, 2018 at 10:04:21 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> Sticky this thread please so readers are easy to find.
>
>
> While I agree in principle, maybe we should ask Reed about notfine.com,
> where he is hosting the files. You know, just in case, this is a temporary
> holding zone…simply because the content of interest are the files.
>
> So, Reed, what do you say?
>

Thanks for asking Benz. I’m happy to keep hosting the files there for as
long as I’m around, which will hopefully be a good long time. The cost of
hosting them is negligible, and I’m happy to cover it.

Please feel free to link, sticky, download, and otherwise share. If anyone
wants to do anything unusual with them (sell them for a profit, print them
in a book, change the content, etc) i would suggest you check with Grant
first, please.

Otherwise, please just read and enjoy!


Best,
Reed

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

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It depends on what you're looking to accomplish.

I spent thousands of dollars on a custom Bike Friday NWT, dreaming of
having a bike with me whenever I traveled.

After three trips I sold it at a significant loss.

A Friday is almost as much trouble to pack and carry around boxed as a
traditional bike in a Trico case. But when you get where you're going it
won't ride as well as the traditional bike.

I knew that, but bought one anyway because I thought the trailer suitcase
would be magic, allowing me to do easy point-to-point tours, flying in to
one airport and out another. In practice, the trailer was an utter dog to
pull, robbing almost all the joy from my riding. It was fragile as well,
breaking in a couple different ways in not-terribly intense use. It also
doubled the number of flat tires I got. I stopped using the trailer, and
without the trailer there's not much point to a Friday, at least for me.

They do save money on airline fees, though. The only reason I would go back
to a Friday is if I were flying with a bike several times a month on my own
dime.


Best,
Reed

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>  I've considered their bikes before, but once I realized just how
> long/high of a "stem" I'd need to get a similar position to my 60cm
> Bombadil , I cannot imagine how it feel very solid and stable compared to a
> regular frame.
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

[Reed Kennedy]

One more update! I've now added the last few files folks were kind enough
to share, including:
An index file listing all article titles, which can be searched.
RR00
BOB Gazette #1 and #2

Full credit where credit is due!

Main credit to Grant Petersen, who published these wonderful magazines
and was kind enough to let me share them. Thanks as well to all the
original authors for their thoughtful, helpful, joyous writing.

Additional thanks to:

Will, Vince, Roman and all the other great folks at Riv for supplying
the CDs that got this collection started and just generally being
great people.

Ed Fausto for RR 00.

Martin Gierke for the RR Index and BOB Gazette 1 & 2.

Cyclofiend Jim for RR 1 - 11, 41, and 42.

Shoji Takahashi for RR 36 - 39.

And Grant once again for tracking down 40 and 44.

Humbly compiled and hosted by me.


Best,
Reed

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> Well said Ana. This is a generous and special group.
>
> Best,
> Richard
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

[Reed Kennedy]

Thanks for the BOB Gazettes and RR00! I’m riding a brevet today but will
get them uploaded as soon as I’ve got time at a computer.


Best,
Reed Kennedy
Somewhere around Martinez, CA

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> You'd probably want a Best Of kind of format. Maybe a project for Grant in
> retirement--published by Compass?
>
>
> On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 6:28:24 AM UTC-4, Eric Daume wrote:
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>> It would be quite a book. I have nearly every reader— they make a stack
>> maybe a foot high.
>>
>> On Friday, May 11, 2018, Jan O. <jan.ot...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thank you all for sharing the files and to Grant for giving permission.
>>> Love the idea of a coffee table book.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

[Reed Kennedy]

Grant was kind enough to send me PDFs of Rivendell Readers 40 and 44! Now
the archive is complete:
http://notfine.com/rivreader/

Please help yourself!


Best,
Reed

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> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:25 PM iamkeith <keithhar...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I've got #44.  I'll scan this week.
>
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> That’d be swell Keith! I’m happy to put it with the others and host it if
> you’d like.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

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On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:25 PM iamkeith  wrote:

> I've got #44.  I'll scan this week.


That’d be swell Keith! I’m happy to put it with the others and host it if
you’d like.


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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

[Reed Kennedy]

Thanks Tim, but I think we've got all those now. Just missing 40 and 44!


Best,
Reed

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> I have 1-39 in PDF. Always happy to share!
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

[Reed Kennedy]

Thanks so much to Shoji, we now have all but two(!) issues collected up
here:
http://notfine.com/rivreader/

Anyone have digital copies of Rivendell Reader 40 or 44?


Best,
Reed

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 6:38 AM, Shoji Takahashi <shoji.takaha...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I just checked and have 36-39, but I'm missing 40.
>
> Thanks,
> Shoji
>
>
> On Monday, May 7, 2018 at 9:32:02 AM UTC-4, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>> Hi Reed,
>> I have them. I will DM you to add them to the archive.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Shoji
>> Arlington MA
>>
>> On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 4:32:44 PM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>>
>>> Heard back from Grant, and it sounds like he's fine with it! Here's what
>>> I've got:
>>> http://notfine.com/rivreader/
>>>
>>> Includes RR 12 - 35 from CDs I picked up at RBW HQ a while back, 1-11
>>> that Jim just posted, and 41-43 from when Riv made them available on the
>>> web a while back.
>>>
>>> Anyone have digital copies of 36 - 40 or 44? I'd be happy to add them
>>> and complete that collection.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Reed
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:47 PM, Cyclofiend Jim <cyclo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Probably a more well thought-out consideration...
>>>>
>>>> I'd ask him again. Though if he catches this thread and wants to
>>>> comment here, that would be good.
>>>>
>>>> There were those cork (?) flash drives which had the pdf's.  Though
>>>> since I had a stack of the print versions, I never thought to buy one.
>>>>
>>>> If you get the OK, let me know - be happy to land those in the same
>>>> folder for now and host the archive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 4:42:22 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have numbers 12 through 35 as PDFs. I’ve been hoping to share them,
>>>>> but didn’t feel great about doing so without Grant’s permission. I emailed
>>>>> him to ask a while ago, but never heard back. (No surprise, he’s busy!)
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m torn. I’d love to help out and make all these great stories and
>>>>> useful information available, but I’m not really sure they’re mine to
>>>>> give... Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Reed
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:27 PM Cyclofiend Jim <cyclo...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There was a query yonder on the FB about specific editions of the
>>>>>> Rivendell Readers. (They were requesting RR#10, RR#41 and RR#42).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Turns out that the latter two had been uploaded to a Cyclofiend.com
>>>>>> archive folder.  Toward the end of the Reader run, they would make a PDF
>>>>>> version of the readers available in addition to the print version. And I
>>>>>> stashed these two here -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RR#42 - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR42_web.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RR#41 - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR41_web.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As i was searching to see if there were more of these around, I came
>>>>>> across the references and a thread to the sethdot.org project to set
>>>>>> up a Reader archive. I have to say that saddened me a bit, as I realized
>>>>>> how long it had been since Seth Vidal left us way too soon. Sigh. He was
>>>>>> quality guy who I am sad to say I never got to meet in person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since my own collection of early Readers had been a bit sporadic (I
>>>>>> had enjoyed the first ones via copies borrowed from someone else, since
>>>>>> returned), I had bought the first CD of Readers way back when.  This
>>>>>> included RR#'s 1 through 11.  (Yes, it went up to 11...) Since 
>>>>>> surprisingly
>>>>>> fewer computers these days even can swallow CD's, I thought it prudent to
>>>>>> copy these to a dropbox folder, which should be accessible via this link
>>>>>> for now -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5f0hbf4i5e5n2dq/II0rxQi1lpzCC
>>>>>> iU5JbeAa?dl=0

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

[Reed Kennedy]

Heard back from Grant, and it sounds like he's fine with it! Here's what
I've got:
http://notfine.com/rivreader/

Includes RR 12 - 35 from CDs I picked up at RBW HQ a while back, 1-11 that
Jim just posted, and 41-43 from when Riv made them available on the web a
while back.

Anyone have digital copies of 36 - 40 or 44? I'd be happy to add them and
complete that collection.


Best,
Reed

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:47 PM, Cyclofiend Jim <cyclofi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Probably a more well thought-out consideration...
>
> I'd ask him again. Though if he catches this thread and wants to comment
> here, that would be good.
>
> There were those cork (?) flash drives which had the pdf's.  Though since
> I had a stack of the print versions, I never thought to buy one.
>
> If you get the OK, let me know - be happy to land those in the same folder
> for now and host the archive.
>
>
> On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 4:42:22 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> Hey Jim,
>>
>> I have numbers 12 through 35 as PDFs. I’ve been hoping to share them, but
>> didn’t feel great about doing so without Grant’s permission. I emailed him
>> to ask a while ago, but never heard back. (No surprise, he’s busy!)
>>
>> I’m torn. I’d love to help out and make all these great stories and
>> useful information available, but I’m not really sure they’re mine to
>> give... Thoughts?
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Reed
>>
>> On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:27 PM Cyclofiend Jim <cyclofi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There was a query yonder on the FB about specific editions of the
>>> Rivendell Readers. (They were requesting RR#10, RR#41 and RR#42).
>>>
>>> Turns out that the latter two had been uploaded to a Cyclofiend.com
>>> archive folder.  Toward the end of the Reader run, they would make a PDF
>>> version of the readers available in addition to the print version. And I
>>> stashed these two here -
>>>
>>> RR#42 - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR42_web.pdf
>>>
>>> RR#41 - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR41_web.pdf
>>>
>>> As i was searching to see if there were more of these around, I came
>>> across the references and a thread to the sethdot.org project to set up
>>> a Reader archive. I have to say that saddened me a bit, as I realized how
>>> long it had been since Seth Vidal left us way too soon. Sigh. He was
>>> quality guy who I am sad to say I never got to meet in person.
>>>
>>> Since my own collection of early Readers had been a bit sporadic (I had
>>> enjoyed the first ones via copies borrowed from someone else, since
>>> returned), I had bought the first CD of Readers way back when.  This
>>> included RR#'s 1 through 11.  (Yes, it went up to 11...) Since surprisingly
>>> fewer computers these days even can swallow CD's, I thought it prudent to
>>> copy these to a dropbox folder, which should be accessible via this link
>>> for now -
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5f0hbf4i5e5n2dq/II0rxQi1lpzCC
>>> iU5JbeAa?dl=0
>>>
>>> I'll add to this thread as more items are unearthed.
>>>
>>> - Jim
>>>
>>> cyclofi...@gmail.com / cyclofiend.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

[Reed Kennedy]

Totally reasonable. I've dropped Grant another line asking. I didn't want
to be a pest, but I suppose asking twice in six months probably isn't all
that bad.

I feel conflicted! I gladly downloaded the PDFs you posted, Jim, as it
nearly completes my collection. Happy to do my part and share mine as long
as I know no feelings will be hurt and no $$ will be lost over at RBW HQ.


Best,
Reed

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:47 PM, Cyclofiend Jim <cyclofi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Probably a more well thought-out consideration...
>
> I'd ask him again. Though if he catches this thread and wants to comment
> here, that would be good.
>
> There were those cork (?) flash drives which had the pdf's.  Though since
> I had a stack of the print versions, I never thought to buy one.
>
> If you get the OK, let me know - be happy to land those in the same folder
> for now and host the archive.
>
>
> On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 4:42:22 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> Hey Jim,
>>
>> I have numbers 12 through 35 as PDFs. I’ve been hoping to share them, but
>> didn’t feel great about doing so without Grant’s permission. I emailed him
>> to ask a while ago, but never heard back. (No surprise, he’s busy!)
>>
>> I’m torn. I’d love to help out and make all these great stories and
>> useful information available, but I’m not really sure they’re mine to
>> give... Thoughts?
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Reed
>>
>> On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:27 PM Cyclofiend Jim <cyclofi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There was a query yonder on the FB about specific editions of the
>>> Rivendell Readers. (They were requesting RR#10, RR#41 and RR#42).
>>>
>>> Turns out that the latter two had been uploaded to a Cyclofiend.com
>>> archive folder.  Toward the end of the Reader run, they would make a PDF
>>> version of the readers available in addition to the print version. And I
>>> stashed these two here -
>>>
>>> RR#42 - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR42_web.pdf
>>>
>>> RR#41 - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR41_web.pdf
>>>
>>> As i was searching to see if there were more of these around, I came
>>> across the references and a thread to the sethdot.org project to set up
>>> a Reader archive. I have to say that saddened me a bit, as I realized how
>>> long it had been since Seth Vidal left us way too soon. Sigh. He was
>>> quality guy who I am sad to say I never got to meet in person.
>>>
>>> Since my own collection of early Readers had been a bit sporadic (I had
>>> enjoyed the first ones via copies borrowed from someone else, since
>>> returned), I had bought the first CD of Readers way back when.  This
>>> included RR#'s 1 through 11.  (Yes, it went up to 11...) Since surprisingly
>>> fewer computers these days even can swallow CD's, I thought it prudent to
>>> copy these to a dropbox folder, which should be accessible via this link
>>> for now -
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5f0hbf4i5e5n2dq/II0rxQi1lpzCC
>>> iU5JbeAa?dl=0
>>>
>>> I'll add to this thread as more items are unearthed.
>>>
>>> - Jim
>>>
>>> cyclofi...@gmail.com / cyclofiend.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

[Reed Kennedy]

Hey Jim,

I have numbers 12 through 35 as PDFs. I’ve been hoping to share them, but
didn’t feel great about doing so without Grant’s permission. I emailed him
to ask a while ago, but never heard back. (No surprise, he’s busy!)

I’m torn. I’d love to help out and make all these great stories and useful
information available, but I’m not really sure they’re mine to give...
Thoughts?


Best,
Reed

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:27 PM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:

> There was a query yonder on the FB about specific editions of the
> Rivendell Readers. (They were requesting RR#10, RR#41 and RR#42).
>
> Turns out that the latter two had been uploaded to a Cyclofiend.com
> archive folder.  Toward the end of the Reader run, they would make a PDF
> version of the readers available in addition to the print version. And I
> stashed these two here -
>
> RR#42 - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR42_web.pdf
>
> RR#41 - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR41_web.pdf
>
> As i was searching to see if there were more of these around, I came
> across the references and a thread to the sethdot.org project to set up a
> Reader archive. I have to say that saddened me a bit, as I realized how
> long it had been since Seth Vidal left us way too soon. Sigh. He was
> quality guy who I am sad to say I never got to meet in person.
>
> Since my own collection of early Readers had been a bit sporadic (I had
> enjoyed the first ones via copies borrowed from someone else, since
> returned), I had bought the first CD of Readers way back when.  This
> included RR#'s 1 through 11.  (Yes, it went up to 11...) Since surprisingly
> fewer computers these days even can swallow CD's, I thought it prudent to
> copy these to a dropbox folder, which should be accessible via this link
> for now -
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5f0hbf4i5e5n2dq/II0rxQi1lpzCCiU5JbeAa?dl=0
>
> I'll add to this thread as more items are unearthed.
>
> - Jim
>
> cyclofi...@gmail.com / cyclofiend.com
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] WTB 65cm Atlantis

[Reed Kennedy]

Huh! Hadn’t seen the one on eBay. Mine is set up with drop bars and a front
rack at the moment.

I should put together a real for sale listing...


Reed

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 12:14 PM Abcyclehank  wrote:

> Reed is this the one on eBay currently.  Absolutely a great color combo.
> I have a 64cm same color Bombadil that I will never part with (again) made
> that mistake once and fate brought it home again.  (Thanks Al)
>
> Ryan Hankinson
> West Michigan
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Re: [RBW] WTB 65cm Atlantis

[Reed Kennedy]

Not an Atlantis, but I’ve decided I’m ready to part with my 62cm gray and
maroon Hunqapillar. I usually ride a 64cm, but thanks to the very slightly
sloping top tube this one fits my 93.5cm PBH quite well. (The Hunqapillar
flier recommends this size for 91.5 -100cm PBHs.)

This is the original Toyo Hunq with the fancy heat treated tubing.

If you’re interested let me know and I’ll put together some details and
pictures.


Best,
Reed

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 6:05 AM Eric Floden  wrote:

> If you uncover " too many " let us know
>
> EricF
> On the edge in Vancouver
>
> On 15 April 2018 at 20:53, bo richardson  wrote:
>
>> Not for me but a friend would like to buy a nice Atlantis in 65cm
>> anyone selling could just let me know and i will middleperson for you.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> bo
>> bellingham
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[RBW] SF Bay Area: Bike camping at Pescadero Creek for the 2018 Swift Campout!

[Reed Kennedy]

Hey folks! I'm putting together a Rivish / BOBish bike ride and camping
trip on the San Francisco peninsula for the upcoming 2018 Swift Campout on
June 23rd. All are welcome! These are the longest weekend days of the year.
Why not spend 'em on a bicycle?

Here's the rough plan so far:
Day 1, Saturday June 23rd:

   - Route: *https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27216913
   <https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27216913>*
   - 45 miles, 4,700 ft climbing
   - Head out from Millbrae BART at 10am (meet in front of the elevator,
   near the palm trees)
   - Lunch at Alice's Restaurant
   - There are some dirt trails that parallel Skyline, which we could do or
   not do
   - Last 5 miles are an easy dirt road, rideable on a road bike. We should
   be able to ride the whole way to camp, no need to push or carry your bike.
   - Set camp at Tarwater Trail Camp, Pescadero Creek County Park (no water
   at camp, bring what you need!)
   - Camp dinner, hang out, sleep in the woods


Day 2, Sunday June 24th:

   - Route: *https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27216975
   <https://ridewithgps.com/routes/27216975>*
   - 29 miles, 2,700 ft climbing
   - Wake up, have breakfast, strike camp
   - First 5 miles are on the same dirt road
   - Stop off at the Cupertino Bike Shop if we're in the mood (super famous
   old school bike shop, almost a bike museum)
   - Lunch in Cupertino, Sunnyvale, or Mountain View (In-N-Out?)
   - Caltrain home from Mountain View station


I'm gonna make time to test-ride this route before the campout but so far I
think the above looks pretty swell. I'm excited about it! Also happy to
hear thoughts or advice if you have 'em.

Here's the Swift Campout page for the ride: https://swiftcampout.
com/camper/sofauxboho/

If you'd like to join us for the ride please do! The best way to stay
up-to-date is to join the Bay Area Rivendell Riders mailing list (which is
not just for Rivendell riders these days): https://groups.google.
com/forum/#!forum/bay-area-rivendell-riders

If you wanna come along but don't wanna join another mailing list just drop
me a line. I'll keep you in the loop.


Cheers,
Reed Kennedy
San Francisco, CA

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Re: [RBW] Need Help Diagnosing Weird Handling on my Atlantis

[Reed Kennedy]

One other thought: In the past, after others have worked on one of my
frames or forks, I have had all kinds of spooky handling come down to a
headset that either isn't adjusted right or doesn't have enough grease in
it. Now, a good shop should have checked both those things, but it might be
worth a double-check.


Reed

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> Then there’s the best idea, from Joe. Send it to the source.
>
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

[Reed Kennedy]

Probably something like this:
https://pacenticycledesign.com/products/brevet-wheel-set-27-5-650b-rim-brake-11speed-shimano

Though if you wanted to get truly silly you could buy A23 rims in 36 hole,
build them up skipping every other hole with only 18 spokes, and use one of
the ridiculous-light hubsets you could probably get them down to around
1200 grams without values or rim tape.

They wouldn’t be good for much, but you could do it.

I might be able to provide a more useful answer if you say more about what
you actually plan to use them for.


Reed

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> Anyone know what that is these days?
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Re: [RBW] FS Baggins Handlebar bag. Choose my adventure. Buy my handlebar bag OR make me buy a rack.

[Reed Kennedy]

Hey Bill,

I’ve been wanting to try one of these. Glad to buy yours and pick up an F15
from Riv next time I stop by.

PayPal ok?


Best,
Reed

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:26 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> If you are like me, you believe that any bike can be made better with a
> handlebar bag.  If you are like me, you don't think a bike's handling is
> ruined when you carry a few pounds in a handlebar bag.
>
> If you have a stripped down road bike, it might be a touch difficult to
> mount a proper front rack as a handlebar bag support.  If you are like me,
> you know that an F15 front rack makes it easy to run a handlebar bag Link
> to F15 front rack
> 
>
> I've been running a beausaged Baggins boxy rando bag on one of my stripped
> down road bikes.  I recently upgraded that bag to a Sackville sapphire.
> So, now I have a choice:  sell my Baggins bag to YOU, OR buy another F15
> and run the Baggins on another bike.  You decide!
>
> Here's a link to a flickr photo album of the garage project I executed to
> make my Baggins bag a lot more boxy with a custom built front rail that
> bolts to the F15:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157647604128426
>
> For sale is the bag and the custom front rail.  You need to supply the F15
> front rack.  $50 shipped.  If you don't want it, I'll probably buy another
> F15 and I'll use it down the road.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Larger frame Riv

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Hey Justin,

I’ve been thinking about finding a new home for my 62cm Hunqapillar, either
as a complete bike or a frame and fork. Would that be if interest to you? I
can take pictures and put together more details.


Best,
Reed

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> Looking for larger size frame (at least 61cm). Open to what’s out there.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Shifter 2 project revived

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If you need more cable pull it has already been innovated:
https://velo-orange.com/collections/shifters/products/dia-compe-ene-11s-dt-shifters

I figure that a bigger barrel will just make the shifter even more
sensitive to small movement, though. I've had good luck with Silver V1s and
Simplex retrofrictions shifting 10 speed, so I'll stick with those. If we
ever run out of both of those, then I'll buy these:
https://velo-orange.com/collections/shifters/products/dia-compe-ene-w-dt-shifters

In other words, there are lots of good friction downtube options and fewer
friction thumb options. I may like downtube better personally, but it makes
sense to me that Riv is making the harder to get thing rather than the
easier to get thing.

Got to check out the prototype Silver V2 when I dropped by the other day.
It's looking good!


Reed

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:01 PM, LBleriot  wrote:

> I said it before and I'll say it again.  As DT shifters, these look as bad
> as the old Silver shifters used as thumbies.  Yuck.  Why not do something
> innovative and make the barrel on the right shifter larger to pull more
> cable/shift more than 8 speeds easily?
>
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 9:12:54 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Interesting piece on the blug about the Silver Shifter 2 project coming
>> back to life.  Prototypes in house at RBWHQ, with photos.
>>
>> "It’ll work fine on the downtube and better (than ever, than original
>> SILVER shifters) as a thumby or a bar-end shifter, because of the new
>> shape, heavily influenced by the 1983 SunTour XC thumb shifter. Slight
>> differences."
>>
>> IIRC, Grant had posted something a while back about this project fizzing
>> out for unstated reasons, so it's good to see it coming back to life.  I
>> was pretty interested so looking forward to seeing the production version.
>> These look to have much more character than the stand-by Shimano bar end on
>> Paul thumbie mount.
>>
>> dougP
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Re: [RBW] Tech Question: Do rear hubs have spacers?!

[Reed Kennedy]

Looks to me like a wheel that was dished wrong.


Reed

2017-11-29 20:39 GMT-08:00 Mike Williams :

>
> Hey Nash,  here are some photos,  no cassette on,  so it rules that out.
>  Could be the dish of the wheel?
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 29, 2017, at 7:40 PM, nash5...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Axles have spacers, and cassettes have spacers.  You need to explain
> more precisely what is happening tho.  Maybe a  picture will help.  Your
> description doesnt make a lot of sense to me.
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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA button down shirts available at RivBike

[Reed Kennedy]

Here you go John:
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/featured-products/products/musa-can-tuck-it-button-down

My standard comment: I dig it.

I'll add one more: This is an amazing deal for a shirt made in the USA from
nice Japanese fabric.

Maybe I can swing by this weekend...

Best,
Reed

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> Bill
>
> Can you share a link to the shirt???
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
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Re: [RBW] Fender Mounted Rear Dynamo Light?

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I have a dynamo fender mounted tail light on my MAP. Unlike Eric's
experience, Mitch was apparently able to get the wire inside the rolled rim
of the Honjo fender. Worth noting that this bike uses a SON SL hub and
setup, so negative is grounded to the frame and the wire in question is a
thin single wire.

I personally don't like this light positioning terribly much. The light
ends up only a foot or two off the ground. Not high enough up to be seen by
cars in heavy traffic, in my opinion. It also adds strain to the fender.
Mine cracked just above the light.

On my newer Fitz custom I went with a Compass seat-tubed mounted light,
which I much prefer. It is more visible, better protected from damage, and
leaves the fender unloaded and uncluttered. It also looks better to my eye.

On my city bike I used the SON rear light marked as "New for 2015" on Peter
White's site:
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt-tl.php

It was designed to mount on a seatpost. I put mine toward the top of the
seat tube between the seat stays instead, in the same location as the
Compass light on my Fitz. Works a treat!


Best,
Reed

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> Anyone had any experience with the above type light?
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[RBW] Re: FS: Two sets of 700 x 2.15 Schwalbe Big Bens, one new, one used

[Reed Kennedy]

Sold, thanks all!


Best,
Reed

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Reed Kennedy <r...@notfine.com> wrote:

> Two sets of nice Schwabe Big Ben tires. Both 700 x 2.15 inch, both
> “Performance Line RaceGuard LightSkin”. One used (Maybe 1k miles? See pic).
> One brand new.
>
> Rivendell says $46 each. How about $80 for all 4?
>
> These are wire bead, so local pickup in San Francisco *strongly*
> preferred. Shipping would be awkward and expensive.
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crust Bikes Nutmeg Nor'easter, October 14

[Reed Kennedy]

In case anyone else is wondering, this is in Clinton, Connecticut.

Other details: https://www.bikereg.com/36208


Reed

On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:44 AM Christopher Cote <
christopherjamesc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bumping this up. Anyone else interested? I'm thinking about it. I don't
> have a road bike that fits 42mm tires (recommended on the bikereg page), so
> I'm thinking 29er MTB. Bad idea?
>
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Reed Kennedy]

Good advice, to carry fresh patch glue! Nothing quite like trying to patch
and finding the tube has gone solid.

On that topic: Has anyone found a way to buy the little Rema tubes that
actually fit inside the patch kit? All the ones I’ve found that are sold
individually are larger (longer) than the little blue plastic box.

Not the end of the world, but as I rarely (if ever) use up a tube I’d much
rather the smaller ones that fit.


Reed

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 6:52 PM 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Back in the day, when I rode my mountain bike in the southern California
>> desert, goat heads were a constant problem. I finally retired a tube with
>> 23 patches on it.  I found that Rema's with fresh glue (I buy a new tube of
>> glue every year, which reminds me...), works the best. Proper tube prep and
>> letting the glue get tacky is key, followed by a through and strong rub
>> down. I haven't had a patch fail in a long time. I carry a spare tube and a
>> patch kit but always patch my tube on the side of the road rather than
>> putting in the tube. I carry the tube just in case a valve rips at the
>> tube.  Now I will jinx myself by being grateful for living free from flats,
>> here in Bend. My tubes usually die from age now, rather than too many
>> patches.
>>
>
> Clayton Bailey
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Re: [RBW] Diff between slick GravelKing and Compass Babyshoe Pass? Looks the same. Described the same.

[Reed Kennedy]

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> Compass tires, if I remember correctly, are made almost by hand which is
> why the cost is the way it is.
>

I suspect you're on to something there. I've always thought it was sorta
funny that so many people assume Compass marks up their tires a ton and
makes a killing on them.

I mean, maybe they do? I have no inside information. But I've always gotten
the impression that Jan is at least as interested in getting more people on
bikes (and tires) that they like as he is in making a quick buck.


Best,
Reed


> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 8:00 PM, panog  wrote:
>
>> The Soma Vitesse are awfully close to my estimation and at $35 a pop look
>> pretty good
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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Reed Kennedy]

Also worth mentioning: I only use good quality patch kits, generally Rema,
sometimes Rustines. Never the glue-less ones.


Best,
Reed

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Reed Kennedy <r...@notfine.com> wrote:

> I must have installed at least a hundred patches over the years. (I used
> to run narrow high pressure tires, and used to get more flats.)
>
> I've had a handful of patches fail. These generally fall in to one of two
> categories:
>
>- Put the puncture too close to the edge of the patch (to cover a big
>cut, or to try and cover both holes in a snakebite puncture with one small
>patch).
>- Puncture right near the seam of the tube. (Sometimes it forms a
>little channel for air to get out.)
>
> Even considering those, I have a patch failure rate of much below 5%. I
> consider it a permanent, reliable fix.
>
> And what's the alternative? Throwing away a tube after every tiny
> puncture? What a waste!
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:36 PM, lum gim fong <john11.2...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> *What is your track record with patching?*
>>
>> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>>
>> I hear differing opinions about this.
>>
>> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>>
>>
>> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in
>> subject title. Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Reed Kennedy]

I must have installed at least a hundred patches over the years. (I used to
run narrow high pressure tires, and used to get more flats.)

I've had a handful of patches fail. These generally fall in to one of two
categories:

   - Put the puncture too close to the edge of the patch (to cover a big
   cut, or to try and cover both holes in a snakebite puncture with one small
   patch).
   - Puncture right near the seam of the tube. (Sometimes it forms a little
   channel for air to get out.)

Even considering those, I have a patch failure rate of much below 5%. I
consider it a permanent, reliable fix.

And what's the alternative? Throwing away a tube after every tiny puncture?
What a waste!


Best,
Reed

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> *What is your track record with patching?*
>
> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>
> I hear differing opinions about this.
>
> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>
>
> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in
> subject title. Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Need Advice On Lighting System

[Reed Kennedy]

Brief update:

Rich of Rivendell (who originally built this wheel) has offered to
disassemble and rebuild it with the same spokes and rim for his standard
building fee of $75, because Rich is a flat-out swell guy.

I'll still be without my bike for a while, which is sad. But it won't cost
as much as I'd feared.

Three cheers for Rich! I don't even think about buying wheels built by
anyone else anymore, and for good reason. Here's his site, if you're in the
market: http://handsonwheels.com/


Reed

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Reed Kennedy <r...@notfine.com> wrote:

> I'm happy for the folks here who have had such positive experiences with
> the SP hubs. I wish I could say the same!
>
> My SP SV-9 had significantly more drag than my SON hubs when first
> delivered. I hoped it would wear in, but it hasn't. Instead, it's gotten
> much worse. As of this morning my SP hub has more drag unplugged and under
> no load than my SON hubs have with headlight and tail lights on! I just
> shot a little video to show the issue: https://www.youtube.com
> /watch?v=g5YBals43L8
>
> I'll also note that the SP SV-9 needs to go about 30% faster before
> powering the headlight without flickering compared to my SON Delux Widebody
> SL hubs.
>
> Cycle Monkey, who does USA warranty support for SP, has been very
> responsive but they do require me to unlace the wheel to get the hub
> replaced. I'll then face the question of whether to ask Rich to rebuild
> this wheel with used parts or just to replace everything. And then there's
> Rich's wheelbuliding feel, of course.
>
> In the end, this is going to be much more expensive than it would have
> been to simply go with another SON hub. Wish I'd done that.
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Philip Kim <philipw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> thanks peter for that explanation.
>>
>> that explains why the IQX seems brighter than my edlux II...i rarely hit
>> close to 20mph
>>
>> On Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 1:39:49 PM UTC-4, Peter White wrote:
>>>
>>> The SP hubs are comparable in quality to the better grade Shimano hubs,
>>> but the Shimano hubs are a bit less money. The small differences in weight
>>> and efficiency are simply too small to be worth discussing. You'll never
>>> notice the drag while riding from any modern dynamo hub.
>>>
>>> The IQ-X and Edelux II headlights both have aluminum housings. But there
>>> are some differences. Edelux II has a glass lens and fixed aluminum mount.
>>> IQ-X has a plastic lens and a rotatable mount. To have an upside-down
>>> Edelux, you must buy a specific upside-down version. The Edelux II is a bit
>>> brighter at high speeds, say, over 20MPH or so. The IQ-X is brighter at low
>>> speeds. Its higher lux rating is based on the German regulations which
>>> measure brightness at a moderate speed, and there the IQ-X is a bit
>>> brighter. That being said, anybody who can actually see the difference has
>>> better eyes than me. There is a small difference in the shape of the beam.
>>> I have both headlights on my bikes and after the first 30 seconds I can't
>>> tell which I'm riding.
>>>
>>> The IQ-X is not compatible with Busch & Müller's USB-WERK charger, but
>>> is compatible with The Plug charger.
>>>
>>> The Luxos U is a bit more fragile than either the Edelux II or IQ-X, but
>>> that said, we do sell many Luxos U headlights and most people are extremely
>>> happy with them. And if you are planning to buy both a headlight and a
>>> charger the Luxos U is a good way to save money. You will notice the dark
>>> patches in the Luxos U beam, but it's only because the beam is so
>>> incredibly wide that it happens. The dark areas are way off to the side,
>>> where many other lights project no light at all.
>>>
>>> Still, if you want to get the absolute most robust system, I suggest you
>>> get the Edelux II, USB-WERK and Schmidt hub. Any 6 volt B or Schmidt
>>> taillight will be compatible.
>>>
>>> PJW
>>> Peter White Cycles
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Tim Gavin <
>>> tim@littlevillagemag.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hub:  Schmidt's biggest advantage would be proven weather sealing.
>>>> Otherwise, the SP hubs seem to perform very similarly to Schmidt hubs at a
>>>> fraction of the price.
>>>>
>>>> Light:  Edelux has a metal housing, IQ-X has a plastic housing with a
>>>> metal plating.  IQ-X claims to be brighter.  Both can be mounted upside
>

Re: [RBW] Need Advice On Lighting System

[Reed Kennedy]

I'm happy for the folks here who have had such positive experiences with
the SP hubs. I wish I could say the same!

My SP SV-9 had significantly more drag than my SON hubs when first
delivered. I hoped it would wear in, but it hasn't. Instead, it's gotten
much worse. As of this morning my SP hub has more drag unplugged and under
no load than my SON hubs have with headlight and tail lights on! I just
shot a little video to show the issue: https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=g5YBals43L8

I'll also note that the SP SV-9 needs to go about 30% faster before
powering the headlight without flickering compared to my SON Delux Widebody
SL hubs.

Cycle Monkey, who does USA warranty support for SP, has been very
responsive but they do require me to unlace the wheel to get the hub
replaced. I'll then face the question of whether to ask Rich to rebuild
this wheel with used parts or just to replace everything. And then there's
Rich's wheelbuliding feel, of course.

In the end, this is going to be much more expensive than it would have been
to simply go with another SON hub. Wish I'd done that.


Best,
Reed

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Philip Kim  wrote:

> thanks peter for that explanation.
>
> that explains why the IQX seems brighter than my edlux II...i rarely hit
> close to 20mph
>
> On Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 1:39:49 PM UTC-4, Peter White wrote:
>>
>> The SP hubs are comparable in quality to the better grade Shimano hubs,
>> but the Shimano hubs are a bit less money. The small differences in weight
>> and efficiency are simply too small to be worth discussing. You'll never
>> notice the drag while riding from any modern dynamo hub.
>>
>> The IQ-X and Edelux II headlights both have aluminum housings. But there
>> are some differences. Edelux II has a glass lens and fixed aluminum mount.
>> IQ-X has a plastic lens and a rotatable mount. To have an upside-down
>> Edelux, you must buy a specific upside-down version. The Edelux II is a bit
>> brighter at high speeds, say, over 20MPH or so. The IQ-X is brighter at low
>> speeds. Its higher lux rating is based on the German regulations which
>> measure brightness at a moderate speed, and there the IQ-X is a bit
>> brighter. That being said, anybody who can actually see the difference has
>> better eyes than me. There is a small difference in the shape of the beam.
>> I have both headlights on my bikes and after the first 30 seconds I can't
>> tell which I'm riding.
>>
>> The IQ-X is not compatible with Busch & Müller's USB-WERK charger, but is
>> compatible with The Plug charger.
>>
>> The Luxos U is a bit more fragile than either the Edelux II or IQ-X, but
>> that said, we do sell many Luxos U headlights and most people are extremely
>> happy with them. And if you are planning to buy both a headlight and a
>> charger the Luxos U is a good way to save money. You will notice the dark
>> patches in the Luxos U beam, but it's only because the beam is so
>> incredibly wide that it happens. The dark areas are way off to the side,
>> where many other lights project no light at all.
>>
>> Still, if you want to get the absolute most robust system, I suggest you
>> get the Edelux II, USB-WERK and Schmidt hub. Any 6 volt B or Schmidt
>> taillight will be compatible.
>>
>> PJW
>> Peter White Cycles
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Tim Gavin > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hub:  Schmidt's biggest advantage would be proven weather sealing.
>>> Otherwise, the SP hubs seem to perform very similarly to Schmidt hubs at a
>>> fraction of the price.
>>>
>>> Light:  Edelux has a metal housing, IQ-X has a plastic housing with a
>>> metal plating.  IQ-X claims to be brighter.  Both can be mounted upside
>>> down.
>>>
>>> Charging:  Separate USB charging adapters are available from B,
>>> Sinewave, and others.
>>> However, I suggest that you consider getting a B Luxos U light.  Riv
>>> doesn't carry them any more, but they are still available.  The Luxos U has
>>> a USB charging port built in, and its light beam is wide and bright.
>>> The Luxos U does have some cons: the plastic casing is ho-hum, the wide
>>> reflector in the beam shows "artifacts" (visible lines and such), and early
>>> models reported problems with water intrusion (supposedly addressed in the
>>> more recent models).  Also the Luxos U doesn't offer upside down mounting.
>>> The big pro of the Luxos U is that it gives you a light *and* USB
>>> charging for less than the price of the Edelux or IQ-X.
>>>
>>> I have Luxos U's on two bikes and they've performed great for three
>>> years.
>>> The one on my 'cross/gravel bike has taken a lot of abuse.  I have the
>>> light mounted to the handlebar and it has gotten knocked around when I've
>>> wiped out on singletrack.  No breakage, no problems, it just keeps on
>>> working.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Broccoli Cog  wrote:
>>>
 Hi All, I am going to add a dyno hub lighting system to my Sam