Re: [RBW] Re: Scam alert? I'm so confused. Blue Homer in LA? ND?

[maxcr]

I also got looped in with a scammer through the FB group, probably the same 
guy. (for me it was a wheelset)

Should we consider asking the admin of this google group to turn the group 
private? I think the i-bob list did this recently and while it won't solve 
all problems, it might help.

Max

On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 10:49:19 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

> To add, *Blue Lug is super legit*, I've placed two orders with them this 
> month and both were super smooth. Great prices, great parts availability 
> that I couldn't find anywhere else, and fast shipping.
>
> From what I gather, they're truly pillars of the Riv (and Riv-like bike) 
> community. Watch some of their videos, they're true bike people through and 
> through. You can order with confidence from them. 
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 10:28:39 AM UTC-4 Brenton Eastman wrote:
>
>> All good points. I didn’t really think twice about “Jeff” private 
>> messaging me. I’ve always assumed best intent here with the RBW bunch. BUT 
>> that email address has never posted or contributed here. Red flag #1. The 
>> super confusing text messages were full of red flags and I’m walking away. 
>>
>> I mostly wanted to post here as a warning to others that are interested 
>> and searching for AHHs. *Within 20 minutes of me starting this thread, 
>> the text messager got word, and began to harass me.* So, someone 
>> involved is watching the forum pretty closely. I’m annoyed that I wasted a 
>> few hours over a couple days unraveling the fact that it was indeed too 
>> good to be true. The search for my wife’s future Homer continues!! 
>>
>> I’d +1 Eric’s comment that Blug Lug is 1000% legit and ever order I’ve 
>> placed with them is pleasant and exceeds my expectations. 
>>
>> [image: image0.png]
>> [image: image1.png]
>> [image: image2.png]
>>
>> Finding some comedic relief here. Be careful folks!!
>>
>> On May 3, 2024, at 6:20 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Kim: I don't see how the administrator of this forum has any bearing on 
>> someone's Facebook post. The scam is potentially occurring via Facebook, 
>> not our forum. You reposted the FB listing here with a link. 
>>
>>
>> Regarding the Blue Lug purchase, how on earth were you "scammed" by Blue 
>> Lug? They are one of the best bike shops in the universe and I'm sure they 
>> would correct any mistake or problem with your purchase. I dislike like the 
>> implication that Blue Lug would scam anyone. 
>>
>> Regarding scams and buying/selling: If anything about the listing or your 
>> interactions with a seller makes you uncomfortable or sets off *any* 
>> alarms just drop the exchange and walk away. It's easy! If it's too good to 
>> be true, it probably is. Although sometimes you have to know when to snag a 
>> deal like when someone posts a Nitto S83 seatpost for $30. Sellers should 
>> be happy and eager to share photos or details about frames or bikes for 
>> sale. 
>>
>> Here on the forum it's easy to check someone's history simply by 
>> searching their email address and reviewing their past posts to see if they 
>> participate in discussions, buy and sell goods and you can get a sense of 
>> how long they've been part of the community. All common sense stuff. 
>>
>> Also — Don't end up handing $50,000 in cash to a stranger on the street! 
>> https://www.thecut.com/article/amazon-scam-call-ftc-arrest-warrants.html
>>
>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 8:00:50 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I concur. I sent this scammer Leah's way unknowingly. Stay away from 
>>> this person. In this case his "cousin" just bought a Homer and so was 
>>> selling his Roadini. He must troll this group for want to buy posts and 
>>> pounces.  Karma is a concept of action, work, or deed, and its effect 
>>> or consequences. Here's hoping that a little karma is heading his way.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 7:55:23 AM UTC-4 Andrew Joseph wrote:
>>>
 Bad experience with Jeff and the “seller,” he directed me to with a 
 Homer as well!

 I posted that I want to buy a Mustard frameset.  
 Jeff directed me to his friend, and it went very badly from there. 
  Fortunately, I sent no payment.

 I also reported this to Admin.  

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 3, 2024, at 5:29 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

 That Jeff McCathern guy tried to sell me a Roadini. He’s a scammer. I 
 wasn’t brave enough to say so publicly, but I will now.



 On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 6:25:52 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

> Kim, the link takes us directly to a blue lug page. How did you get 
> scammed?  
>
> BTW, I’ve gotten scammed too — with eBay. I will never not buy 
> directly from the seller. 
>
> On Friday, May 3, 2024 at 12:29:57 AM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Brenton-
>> I am sorry to hear and see you go through this ordeal. I wish it was 
>> not so.
>>
>> The administrator for 

[RBW] Re: WTB - 9spd Dura Ace downtube shifters

[maxcr]

Here's an expensive set NOS 9 speed 7700 model $225 (no connection to the 
seller): 
https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/bop/d/mason-nos-shimano-dura-ace-7700/7721948827.html
And a used set at a great price $70 for the 10 speed 7800 model (no 
connection to the seller): 
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/bop/d/saint-paul-shimano-dura-ace-sl-speed/7721310412.html
Max

On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 5:27:57 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 2:48:19 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Also, you can get brand new 9sp bar cons from Rivendell at $140, and 
> elsewhere for a few dollars less.  Some people run bar cons on their down 
> tube shifter bosses, and they work fine.
>
>
>  FYI, Grant tells me that he thinks Shimano has stopped making the 9sp 
> bar-end shifters "after 25 or 26 years of making them". Get 'em while you 
> can, and expect the price to get eye-watering. 
>
> And, yes, you can run them on the down tube. Interesting bit of RBW 
> history ... I pointed this out to Grant a long time ago, and that the 
> opposite was true, that downtube shifters could be mounted on Shimano 
> bar-end pods. And thus were born the Silver 1 bar-end shifters.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA 
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 650B wheelset/dyno hub a plus

[maxcr]

I'm also looking for a 650b wheelset - if anyone has something gathering 
dust in the basement hit me up.
I have a set of 700's for trade if interested (both dyno or not)
Max

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 7:11:28 PM UTC-5 Esteban wrote:

> Found a set. Thanks to all who responded. 
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 2:57:48 PM UTC-8 Esteban wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a cast-off/spare wheelset? 
>>
>> Esteban
>> San Diego, Calif.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[maxcr]

I didn't mean for this thread to go in this direction - it was a simple 
PSA. 

To be clear, I believe both Peter @ Peter White Cycles and James @ Analog 
Cycles have been amazing resources for all of us, both in terms of 
knowledge but also for the work they do at their shops.

Buy your cranks wherever you may, hopefully a small privately owned LBS 
like the two above.

Max

On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 3:13:05 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> well said. Something in that VT water…
> -Kai
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 2:52:53 PM UTC-5 Glen wrote:
>
>> Do we really need to disparage a longtime supporter and contributor of 
>> this list? Peter has been a pioneer of everything this list (& the iBob 
>> list) supports. 
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 11:04:09 AM UTC-7 CMR wrote:
>>
>>> Consider the $5 supporting good people, and also saving a phone call to 
>>> place an order with Peter White v. an easy click for Analog.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 7:57:55 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 A couple of thoughts on this. 

 1) These cranks are gorgeous. Seeing them in person will make you lust 
 after them
 2) Analog's price includes labor to assemble the crankset
 3) If you buy these why not buy them from great people at one of the 
 best shops in the US. 

 On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 8:59:25 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I added up the exact parts Analog uses from the PW site and it came 
> out $5 more. Analog does all of the assembly as well which is not a huge 
> deal but even small bits of time are worth something. So Analog has the 
> better deal by a tiny amount.
>
> I put a NOS TA Zephyr on my Proto-Gallop. Such a beautiful, 
> lightweight,  and well made crank. It was replaced by TA with the Carmina 
> which is equally nice but I preferred the Zephyr. So I recommend that 
> product.
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 8:43:43 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> That's some fuzzy math. ;-) The Analog price seems to be in line with 
>> the market. Although, I think the Rivendell Silver cranksets are a good 
>> value for an excellent product.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 8:20:24 AM UTC-5 Andy Beichler wrote:
>>
>>> When I add the prices you listed for Peter White's site, I get a $10 
>>> savings.  Did I misread your post?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 1:49:36 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
 When I look at Peter White's website, he sells a pair of Carmina 
 crankarms for $243, spider for $92, and a pair of TA chainrings will 
 set 
 you back another $100 or so. That's around a $250 saving over the 
 Analog 
 Cycles price...

 Nick Payne

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Lugged Susie at Hope Cyclery

[maxcr]

I might be alone here but I think the fillet brazed version will have a 
cult following in the next years... I'm so tempted (it's my size) but truly 
don't need / cannot buy another bike.

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 1:29:23 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> While I agree that this would be a great deal for someone I wanted to 
> point out that this is the fillet brazed version and not the new lugged 
> version that are on pre-sale at Riv HQ today. 
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-5 rolling...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>> Sharing a screenshot from Hope Cyclery's insta feed with some details on 
>> this almost-complete Susie that's up for sale. Just needs shifters, grips 
>> and pedals. Jarrod's closing his store soon and somehow this bike is still 
>> hanging around. He'd love to find it a loving home before he hits the road. 
>> You can contact Jarrod through his website 
>>  or you can google the shop name 
>> and get the phone number.  
>>
>>
>> [image: Hope_Susie.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[maxcr]

If anyone is looking for some fancy (and $$$) cranks for a build, I just 
saw James listed these beauties on their site. It's the Specialites TA 
Carmina Double Crankset, the chainrings are black but still a great option. 
They also have triples if that's what you're after.

Not sure if you follow them, but just like other bike shops I read in their 
newsletter that business has been tough this year so any purchase will help 
keep another great bike shop in business.

https://analogcycles.com/products/copy-of-specialites-ta-carmina-crankset-complete-94-bcd-double

Max

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[RBW] Re: Intro post, pics of my RIvs, and a Homer fit question

[maxcr]

Agreed, I used to run a 30mm extension (w)right stem from Analog Cycles 
paired with a short reach SimWorks Co-Misirlou Bar on my 61 Toyo AHH. I 
think a shorter 5cm or even 30mm extension stem will do the trick if you're 
set on dropbars 
Max 

On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 11:18:41 AM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com wrote:

> so I have a first gen Homer with drop bars and I totally get your point on 
> reach, they do seem to be long bikes.. at least with drop bars fitted. 
> Plus, I firmly believe the Riv folks tend to skew to putting folks a bike 
> one size too large for them (at least in my experience).. 
>
> What I did was get the Velo Orange quill stem with removable faceplate. 
> This stem allows you to use 31.8 bars (or smaller with shims) and opens up 
> a TON more bar options than a traditional quill stem with the smaller 
> diameters. I'm currently using Salsa Cowbell bars as they have a shorter 
> reach and shorter drop that I MUCH prefer over something like a Noodle.. 
> another point is the wider the bars, the longer the reach will feel.. 
>
> Chris in Sonoma County
>
> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 7:31:28 AM UTC-8 ian m wrote:
>
>> If the standover height is acceptable, then I would argue the larger 
>> frame is going to lead to a better fit. I have a hard time with just the 
>> raw data which is why I like using bike insights. Comparing the 54.5 and 51 
>> Homers, we can see a few important points: the stack is much higher meaning 
>> the bars are already starting higher. Even with an effective top tube 
>> increase of 15mm, the reach is only 1mm more on the 54.5. Easily mitigated 
>> with a stem. Seat is going to land on the same axis with either size, so 
>> fit should be very similar with less seatpost and stem showing. 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 9:20:54 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know your frame sizes so I'll do some wild guessing based on 
>>> photos: I believe you have a 55cm Cheviot and a 54.5 Homer. If this is 
>>> accurate the effective toptube numbers should be about the same and you're 
>>> happy with the pullback bars on the Chev. Conclusion: the Homer may be a 
>>> bit big for you, which is why the reach to drops is too long. I agree with 
>>> Riv that a 7cm stem should help but I'm concerned that you'll still find 
>>> the Homer kinda big-ish. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard, who fits a 55 Chev with pullbacks and would need a 51 Homer 
>>> for drops 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 7:34:08 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 What are the sizes of your Riv frames? 

 On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:06:31 PM UTC-8 eitanz...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thanks Bill,  I don't have my bike fit completey figure out yet. I 
> used to bike a lot more 20 years ago (mountain biking) and have recently 
> gotten back into riding. To your point, I am hoping to get a professional 
> bike fit sometime in the near future. (Nate Loyal seems well-recommended 
> and reviewed.)  Not cheap but likely one of the best bang for the buck 
> bike 
> "upgrades." When I mention "endurance," I am referring more to "road bike 
> with more relaxed geometry than a race bike," than endurance athletics 
> per 
> se. I am in decent shape but would like to be able to work up to  
> day-long 
> rides, which will require some work on aerobic endurance as well as 
> adjustments to bike and rider.  Currently I am significantly less 
> comfortable on the Homer than on the drop-bar Breezer Doppler Pro I have. 
> I 
> was too stretched on that one until I switched out the bars. The bars I 
> am 
> thinking of for the Homer are the Velo Orange Rando bars, which have 
> about 
> a 10mm shorter reach than the Noodle, and will accomodate bar ends. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 2:42:05 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Here are a few thoughts:
>>
>> People who know exactly what works for them figure it out over a long 
>> time with lots of bikes, and have a set of numbers in their pocket so 
>> they 
>> can know before buying whether a particular will set up correctly for 
>> them. 
>>  It sounds like you don't have that all figured out for yourself.  Is 
>> that 
>> a reasonable assumption?
>>
>> People who don't have their fit completely figured out for themselves 
>> are usually well advised to get a fitting from an experienced fitter who 
>> understands the target use-case.  Can you find such a person?  Have you 
>> had 
>> anybody who knows about such things look at you while you are riding?  
>>
>> This is intended for an endurance/all-road use case.  Are you 
>> currently an endurance athlete?  Or do you aspire to be an endurance 
>> athlete?  Do you want the bike to fit the body you have, or the body you 
>> intend to have?  
>>
>> Those are my thoughts.  Best of luck
>>
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA Susie Longbolts 59 available

[maxcr]

Just saw a post from Hope: $2,500 - they can box and ship.

Someone should snag this amazing deal ASAP.

I really cannot buy another bike, otherwise I'd be all over it... this is 
one of the last Susie's of that batch which I imagine will be coveted in 
the future by lighter riders. My wife has a small one and loves it.

Max

On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 1:42:04 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> He keeps saying stuff is on sale but not on the website yet. I think he 
> was offering everything to locals first. In his most recent Instagram from 
> this morning he indicates website will be updated soon. In that post he 
> suggests contacting him directly to “make a deal”. I suspect all of this is 
> a bit overwhelming for him. 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 22, 2023, at 1:17 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Very sad that he is closing.  I got to meet him this summer at the 
> Keystone Bicycle (Philadelphia) bike swap and saw the Suzie.  Gorgeous!  He 
> seems like a decent guy.
>
> Much of his stock is on sale, but in a prior IG post he said everything 
> but Rivendell (and another brand), but it's possible he changed his mind on 
> that.
>
> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 9:25:31 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> As of early this morning. Hope Cyclery from Johnstown, PA is sadly 
>> closing. Jarrod still has this Susie frameset available at (I think) 30% 
>> off. The sale price is not actually visible on the website yet but he made 
>> an announcement on Instagram. Someone is going to SCORE!
>> If it where a 56 I might snag it even though I already have a Gus - love 
>> the dark gold!
>>
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[RBW] WTT 700c for 650b Tires

[maxcr]

I've restarted work on my 650b projects but I don't have much in terms of 
tires in my parts bin so I figured I'd ask here:

Here is what I have for trade:

*Tires:*
My Cava UDs 700x42 (lots of tread left)
Or my Soma Shikoros 700x42 (only a few miles, like new) 

For your 650b lightweight/supple tires (Extralight Rene Herse BabyShoe pass 
would be ideal and I'm happy to throw $$ depending on what you have, but 
other supple / light tires 42-48 will do)

What do you have?

Max in Boston

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[RBW] Re: ISO Clem Smith Jr L 45

[maxcr]

Not a frameset but worth it!
https://www.rivbike.com/products/45cm-clem-limeolive-web-special
On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 1:11:59 PM UTC-6 Carlos Quinteros Jr wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Looking for a Clem L 45cm frameset. If anyone has one they are wanting to 
> part with or knows of one for sale send them my way please.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Carlos
> LA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - 135 hub

[maxcr]

I have a bitex hub and I like it. Also, Analog is running their winter sale 
and they have some hubs in 
there: 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uk9ycMqb78t-xX2WsRSVXXJD4RRrmNXtVdlSX2aEzO4/edit#gid=0

Max

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 9:21:43 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Just to add another option, Analog sells both road and touring hubs by a 
> company called Bithex. I have the Bithex touring rear hub with Cliffhangers 
> on my Sam, no mechanical issues, nice hub. Have not tried to service it, 
> need to learn those skills. Recently, I ordered the road version of the 
> Bithex hubs. Planning to have a lightweight wheelset built for my Sam with 
> the rims Crust makes. The rear Bithex road seems strong enough for anything 
> I could throw at it. Analog doesn't list the weight for each hub.
> https://analogcycles.com/products/bitex-touring-hubs?variant=42456805474536
>
> All that said the V/O rear hub is on sale for $75!
>
> Scott
>
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 8:39:24 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I can speak to the VO hub quality. I have the silver VO 135 hub on the 
>> wheelset I run on my Appa, on the Gus before that. It’s been a great hub. 
>> Lots of miles and it still looks and feels great. Can’t speak for 
>> serviceability yet, but it seems like any ordinary Shimano hub in that 
>> regard.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 8:12 AM MCT  wrote:
>>
>>> Velo Orange has its rim brake hub on sale in silver.  The hub can he 
>>> 135mm or 130mm depending what endcap you use.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/specials/products/rear-cassette-hub-silver-and-noir
>>>
>>> Matt in OKC
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:10:06 AM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>>>
 I know I have some mid level Shimano ones and a few no name ones. Will 
 have to look in stash. Seems like you would want something nicer. 

 Thanks,

 Reginald Alexis

 On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:50:14 AM UTC-5 adam.som...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Looking for the last piece of my Appo build. Does anyone have a nice, 
> used, silver, 135 hub for sale?
>
> Thanks!
> Adam
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[RBW] Re: Bedrock Mountain Clogs in Stock!

[maxcr]

I had reached out to supporr, here is what they said:  Most folks are 
wearing the *same size in the Clogs and the Cairns, however I would say if 
you have a more snug fit in your sandals (not much wiggle room), you may 
need to size up in the clogs. Hope this helps!*


On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 9:45:32 PM UTC-4 Teague Scott wrote:

> Wow these are cool. Thanks for getting them on my radar. Wondering whether 
> sizing runs true to their sandals...
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:29:47 PM UTC-6 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>
>> I had the leather ones and just purchased the green suede as a back up 
>> pair. I have a ton of miles walked in my first pair and I'll probably have 
>> these in rotation for as long as they make them.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 9:25:26 AM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Riv Fam,
>>>
>>> For any of those curious about these clogs they're finally back in 
>>> stock. I snagged a pair of them in Nubuck Leather. Should be great for fall 
>>> riding :)
>>>
>>> https://bedrocksandals.com/collections/bedrock-mountain-clogs
>>>
>>> Happy riding!
>>>
>>> - J
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[maxcr]

Thanks David, that's helpful... you probably saved me some time futzing 
with the brakes to try and remove the plate.

The idea came from the comments on the the xtracycle 650b conversion post 
<https://groups.google.com/u/5/g/internet-bob/c/mPYtKXetIFM/m/r0DFL-OsAgAJ> 
I made on the i-bob list but maybe I misunderstood - they were saying I 
might be able to direct-mount the brake to the existing pivot posts and get 
the pads down to the 650B rim. Anyway, perhaps the only real options are 
Mafac raids which I've never seen IRL but have a set coming my way or to 
splurge with the Rene Herse centerpulls.

I'm still going to give it a shot to see if I can run a 650b in the back of 
that xtracycle, but for now the Ram conversion is happening first.

Max

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 12:04:51 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Max - maybe I'm misunderstanding your intent, but while the Paul site does 
> suggest the Racers are designed for direct mounting (the center mount 
> adapter plate is optional),  direct mount centerpulls can't be used on 
> cantilever brake posts. For one the positioning for centerpull brake pivots 
> and cantilever brake posts is different (centerpull pivots are above the 
> rim, cantilever / v-brake posts are below the rim). These days there aren't 
> too many non-custom frames that have centerpull brake mounts, it's more 
> common to use centerpulls with a plate for central mounting like a standard 
> road caliper brake.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 9:50:15 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Wow, thank you all for the overwhelming response and for sharing your 
>> experience. I love the photos, keep 'em coming!
>>
>> Matt, thanks for the detail on the Tektros, I ordered a pair but also 
>> decided to pull the trigger on Alex' Mafacs (thanks Alex!) to try out the 
>> conversion.
>>
>> Here is what I'll try: 
>> 1) New 700C RH tires - Bon Jon Pass in standard casings
>> 2) Swap out Paul Racers Medium for MAFAC RAID and install 650b Wheels 
>> with Loup Loup Pass tires or with Hetres (650x42) depending on what fits
>>
>> I'm not sure when, but I will get to it... I have too many half baked 
>> projects at the moment, including my half-built Gallop on the stand right 
>> now, a brakeless Wilbury that will lose its wheels soon and a MMM bubbe 
>> with an Xtracycle that also needs a 650b conversion - I hope I can use the 
>> Paul Racers directly on the canti posts, I'm not sure if the plate where 
>> the bolt sits is removable.
>>
>> Thanks again to everyone and I'll report back.
>>
>> Max
>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 1:33:13 PM UTC-4 
>> ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
>>
>>> Careful with offset brake pad’s 
>>> If tires are wide pad my rub on tire
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> behalf of Toshi Takeuchi 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2023 12:02:58 PM
>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt 
>>>  
>>> I concur with Evan.  I had a 54 cm 650b Ram with 54 mm Hetre/Baby Shoe 
>>> Pass tires and SKS fenders.  It was as good as my custom bike, except for 
>>> the toe overlap and dynamo wiring. I used thin profile V-brake style pads 
>>> to get a little extra reach with the Tektro R559.  That strategy may be 
>>> able to be combined with the offset brake-pad holders if needed.
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 9:16 AM Evan E.  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Alex, 
>>>
>>> Here for your reference is a photo of my Rambouillet with 650b wheels, 
>>> Tektro R559 brakes, and Pari-Moto 650b x 42 tires. I used offset brake-pad 
>>> holders on the rear caliper to get a tad more reach. If it turns out you 
>>> need a bit more reach on your bike, let me know. I still have those offset 
>>> brake-pad holders.
>>>
>>> Evan
>>> San Francisco
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[maxcr]

Wow, thank you all for the overwhelming response and for sharing your 
experience. I love the photos, keep 'em coming!

Matt, thanks for the detail on the Tektros, I ordered a pair but also 
decided to pull the trigger on Alex' Mafacs (thanks Alex!) to try out the 
conversion.

Here is what I'll try: 
1) New 700C RH tires - Bon Jon Pass in standard casings
2) Swap out Paul Racers Medium for MAFAC RAID and install 650b Wheels with 
Loup Loup Pass tires or with Hetres (650x42) depending on what fits

I'm not sure when, but I will get to it... I have too many half baked 
projects at the moment, including my half-built Gallop on the stand right 
now, a brakeless Wilbury that will lose its wheels soon and a MMM bubbe 
with an Xtracycle that also needs a 650b conversion - I hope I can use the 
Paul Racers directly on the canti posts, I'm not sure if the plate where 
the bolt sits is removable.

Thanks again to everyone and I'll report back.

Max
On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 1:33:13 PM UTC-4 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
wrote:

> Careful with offset brake pad’s 
> If tires are wide pad my rub on tire
>
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
> --
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Toshi Takeuchi 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2023 12:02:58 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt 
>  
> I concur with Evan.  I had a 54 cm 650b Ram with 54 mm Hetre/Baby Shoe 
> Pass tires and SKS fenders.  It was as good as my custom bike, except for 
> the toe overlap and dynamo wiring. I used thin profile V-brake style pads 
> to get a little extra reach with the Tektro R559.  That strategy may be 
> able to be combined with the offset brake-pad holders if needed.
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 9:16 AM Evan E.  wrote:
>
> Hi Alex, 
>
> Here for your reference is a photo of my Rambouillet with 650b wheels, 
> Tektro R559 brakes, and Pari-Moto 650b x 42 tires. I used offset brake-pad 
> holders on the rear caliper to get a tad more reach. If it turns out you 
> need a bit more reach on your bike, let me know. I still have those offset 
> brake-pad holders.
>
> Evan
> San Francisco
>
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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[maxcr]

Stephen,

I just saw the R559 on VO, thanks for the tip, at $38 it's worth it even if 
I end up reverting back to my 700 setup.

If I were to go down the R559 path, do I need recessed mount or the 
traditional nylock nutted mount for the Ram? I never know these things.

Thanks
Max

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 11:11:48 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> You would probably need Paul Racers, or some other long reach caliper like 
> the tektro r559 (which is on major sale at velo orange right now i think). 
> The medium racers would theoretically fit 700c rims on the ram.
>
> Sounds like a good plan Max. I feel like I tend to get caught up 'chasing 
> the dragon', always wanting, unrelenting bike desire. Switching things up 
> on the current bike tends to scratch the itch for me, at least for a little 
> while.
>
> cheers,
>
> Stephen
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 10:37:15 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Well, I totally agree with Patrick.
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> [image: RAMB.png]
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I caution selling a proven nice Ram to buy a speculative nice LB. The 
>>> Ram is a very nice handling sport-tourer (I use the term lightly, but from 
>>> my experience with a 2nd gen blue Ram it rode very nicely unladen and, with 
>>> stiff racks, handled modestly heavy loads with sufficient aplomb for a bike 
>>> that is principally meant as a road bike. The Ram, or at least my Ram, 
>>> exhibits that signature Grant handling quality: unerring straight line 
>>> stability with "intuitive" turn-in; not twitchy, not sluggish.
>>>
>>> But yah pays yer money and yah makes yer choice.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:13 PM Max Faingezicht  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Recently I’ve been getting low trail curious or more specifically I’ve 
 become very interested in the Lightning Bolt canti frame from Crust


 I’ve read some reviews in the 650b and Bob groups, also read Jan’s 
 review in BQ (thanks Eric!) and after speaking with a friend at the LBS 
 who 
 owns one I think it’s a worthy option. He said it’s the most fun bike he’s 
 ever ridden and he’s got some nice rides to compare.

 Sadly the deal at home is that one has to go out (Ram or Gallop) to 
 make room for a new bike. Anyone here has experience with both the LB and 
 the Ram which would be the one to go? 

 How would it compare with my orange Ram (the lightest of my builds with 
 no racks and 33.33 tires)? I have a 60 Ram and would buy a large LB 
 although I could straddle an XL for a more French fit.

 Im interested in hearing your impressions other than trail which I 
 don’t want to get into a discussion about. What do you love/hate about the 
 LB? Or about the Ram? I should also mention that I have quite a few 
 options 
 on the more burly side of things in my quiver: hunqa, bomba and more in 
 the 
 middle a wilbury. This is not a bike that I plan to use for carrying 
 weight 
 or to go single track riding. It’s mostly a road / pavement bike with the 
 occasional gravel. I would use 42’s RH on it.

 The other alternative I could try is getting RH extra lights to replace 
 my jack browns on the Ram to give it another shot and see if I can get a 
 more spirited feel. So far, it’s been a great bike but even though I love 
 it: feel, color, weight, setup… I don’t think it’s far enough from my 
 Gallop or even my Wilbury to make it the go-fast, no racks bike for me.

 Thanks for your thoughts

 Max


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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[maxcr]

Thanks again for the latest comments. I realized I had a mistake on the 
650b tires I have to try out, they are Loup Loup Pass not Bon Jon Pass 
tires.

Coal Bee Rye Anne, new tires for the Ram is an easy first step and probably 
the way to go. I hadn't considered my 180 cranks might be a problem if I go 
with a 650b wheel conversion and I really don't want to swap out the 
cranks. I had found a couple of used Bon Jon Pass but in standard casing 
for $100 and I'm wondering if it's worth trying those or should I splurge 
for new ones with the extra light casing to make the difference/contrast a 
bit more stark?

Patrick from an old thread 
 
FullyLugged 
said: "The Ram came as a complete with 32mm Panaracer Pasela tires.  It 
will also fit fenders with this tire.  Without fenders, the Pasela 1 1/2" 
fits easily. This applies to both the 622 and 559 rim editions, EXCEPT for 
the early orange batch that came in with the rear brake bridge in too low. 
 The 622 converts nicely to 584 with bigger tires and the 559 can also run 
571 wheels with smaller max tire sizes."

I think my orange one has the rear brake bridge limitation though. 

Garth, thanks for your comments and I think you might be spot on. Maybe I 
need to try something "radically" different only to find out that what I 
had is what I always wanted, or perhaps that a completely different flavor 
is fun to change things up. Oh and I am aware of the front load 
"requirement" of low trail bikes and was planning to run either a BagsxBird 
front bag with a Shovel Research Rod Steward or a Nitto front rack with a 
basket on it. As for trying a different fork on the Ram, I don't think I 
want to go in that direction - thanks for the thought though. Also, thanks 
for sending over the Nordavinden. Hard to tell with fit, I'm no pro and 
always find it hard to find a good fit given my long legs for my height. I 
think the XL is probably a better size for my 90.5 pbh but I could probably 
make that 58 fit with stem/saddle adjustments. I'm just unsure I'm ready to 
start investigating and learning about another brand. If I buy something, 
I'm pretty set on the Crust LB.

What's clear to me now is that I should sell or trade the Ram just yet. I 
have limited time these days, so we'll see when I get around to making some 
of the changes we've discussed.

Max


On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 3:44:10 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Max, While I initially thought trying out different forks or tires may 
> satisfy, I think it's entirely possible your just "branded out" on the 
> Rivendell design and the so-called "handling" characteristics, whatever the 
> heck that means if anything. You know, like too many chocolate bars from 
> the same factory ! 
>
> So I'd be inclined to say yeah, try a whole new take on "the bicycle" from 
> someone else, and in doing so you just might find you see and experience 
> the Riv's you have in a different way, or be inspired to change something 
> about how they're fitted. I wouldn't necessarily sell the Ram unless/until 
> you were sure you like whatever frame you got. Even then, after trying 
> something else, it may spark something creative to do with Ram. Maybe the 
> bars, maybe your positioning, who's to say at this point. I know I'm set to 
> put some  low positioned Zipp XPLR drop bars on my Bombadil with a narrow 
> road saddle. Since going back to low drop bars on my Franklin custom, 
> getting a nice narrow road saddle and moving it very far forward from where 
> it had been, when I hop on the Bomba it feels awkward and unrideable the 
> way it's setup currently. How you're positioned on a bike can have quite an 
> effect on how it feels and handles. 
>
> I can't say the Crust frame you mentioned in good choice for you or not as 
> I know nothing of them. Also, it's been mentioned here how low trail bikes 
> like a front load of some kind, I assume you knew this and are okay with it 
> ?  Also, you needn't get a low trail bike for a completely different 
> handing/ride/fun experience. The difference between my Bomba and Franklin 
> are so totally different, and the Franklin is very much in the "neutral" 
> handling category with a much higher BB, which is my preference. Yes, I 
> feel a little more "atop" of the frame and I like it that way, it's like 
> sitting atop a fine race horse, hell yeah, giddy up and go horsey !  In 
> that vein, in a relative whim after working out the specs I bought a VO 
> Rando frame during it's presale. I can't speak to how it rides as it's 
> still in the box, but I look forward to hopping on that race horse too :)  
> Point being, there's lots of chocolate bar factories to choose from ! 
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[maxcr]

Love the color scheme too! Congrats on the new bike :)
Max

On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 12:43:25 PM UTC-4 daniell...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Thanks Joe, me too! They’re calling it Sergio green. It is so pretty and 
> definitely falls into that faerie-elvish category that Grant recently 
> remarked on (warned against?) when encouraging more black parts on bikes, 
> but I love it.
>
> Just rode it to the bookstore for more exposure therapy, locking up to the 
> painted black bike rack. Baby steps. [image: image2.jpeg]
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they call it 
> something else but this was a color that appeared on early Rivs). 
>
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to the 
>> climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday night and I 
>> kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very enthusiastic, 
>> bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a beer 
>> in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I am, I 
>> would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new bike. 
>> It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the most beautiful 
>> bike ever and I suddenly have that *my bike is precious and must not be 
>> marred – ever – *feeling. 
>>
>> Fast forward to the agony at the climbing gym. Which area of the rack 
>> looks cleanest? Which other bikes will be near mine and do these bikes 
>> appear to be owned by kind and considerate people who will be careful not 
>> to touch my bike with theirs? Should I just bring it inside with me? Is 
>> anywhere truly safe???
>>
>> Today it is still precious as I await the first scratch, scrape or ding. 
>> I look forward to when it’s less precious and I can let my guard down a 
>> bit. The beauty will remain.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:36 AM, dylan green  wrote:
>>
>> I too have a '93 XO-3 as my daily driver. I recently sold my last 'nice' 
>> bike and am on the hunt for either a Legolas or Toyo atlantis as a project. 
>> The Bridgestone is such a great bike
>> I sometimes find myself thinking I don't *really need *another bike. But 
>> then again, I'm on a group dedicated to bikes...
>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:40:46 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was so grateful to find a '93 XO-3 frame in very good condition a few 
>>> years back...I built it up as my everyday rider, with a 1x 8 drive, unfancy 
>>> 26" wheels (with Panaracer Paselas), and an Albastache bar. Basket in the 
>>> front and a Carradice bag in the rear - it's perfect for the job. I commute 
>>> most days, taking a one-hour ferry ride across the SF Bay, exposing the 
>>> bike to relentless salt spray, but I do my best to keep it clean and I've 
>>> grown to love itmeanwhile, I happened upon the most beautiful 
>>> Waterford-built All-Rounder last spring and scooped it right up. This one 
>>> is essentially a mirror image of the B'stone, but so much prettier. I've 
>>> experimented with several different bar/stem set-ups, none of which are 
>>> quite as good as the Albastache, and I will probably wind up with that 
>>> eventually. That said, I'm hesitant to subject it to the whims of my daily 
>>> seafaring adventure, especially when I have a bike that is already built 
>>> for that purpose. So, for the time being, it only gets infrequent weekend 
>>> attention. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:43:26 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I draw the line at winter riding where salt is used.

 Last year I used a converted 93 Rockhopper as my winter ride (IGH, 
 coaster brake, studded tires) and on "nice" days, i.e. dry roads, I used 
 my 
 Bruce Gordon BLT (Taiwan model). Afterwards I cleaned and reassembled the 
 rear derailleur  -- from maybe a dozen trips on decent days, it was a 
 rusty, nasty mess, and so were a number of other parts. 

 From now on, only beater bikes in the salt months for me.
 The rest of the year, anything goes, that's why I own bikes. I think of 
 scratches as battle scars, to be worn proudly. 
 But salt is just wrong.

 cheers -mathias




 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:22:32 AM UTC-4 daniell...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Joyce, thank you for your kind words and for sharing that story! It 
> immediately reminded me of a quote from a Zen master that I've spent time 
> reflecting on, but never around my bike until now:
>
> Die while you are alive, and be absolutely dead. Then do whatever you 
> want: it's all good. 
>
> Your brother sounds like he's got this whole liberation thing down :)))
>
> Yours in RivSister solidarity,
> Danielle
> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:55:52 PM 

[RBW] Re: Forks and adjusting headsets

[maxcr]

For those that missed it, the Riv crew posted a little how-to on their news 
blog:

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/how-to-adjust-a-threaded-headset

Max
On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 7:50:49 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Thanks Wes, George and Piaw - It seems like I need to go back and readjust 
> my headset!
>
> Max
>
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:58:29 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> There's another aspect to adjusting threaded headsets: holding the fork 
>> stationary while using the two wrenches (one on the bottom of the upper 
>> stack and the other on the locknut).  Stein Tools sells this device to 
>> accomplish that: 
>> https://steintool.com/portfolio-items/fork-stabilizer-tool/.  But 
>> instead of paying $60 for a specialized tools that gets used only 
>> occasionally, I just put the front wheel into the fork blades and hold it 
>> steady with my knees while tightening those headset nuts.  I have what used 
>> to be called an "Ultimate Rack," now just called a Feedback Sports Rakk 
>> bike stand 
>> https://feedbacksports.com/products/rakk-bike-stand-black?variant=44392877752618
>>  
>> to stabilize the bike so it doesn't tip over. It's close to the same cost 
>> as the Stein tool, but it can be used much more frequently to hold the bike 
>> upright while inflating tires, etc.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 12:36:51 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Adding to Wesley's excellent advice, I've found that applying a thin 
>>> layer of LocTite "blue" to the threads of the top locknut will help keep it 
>>> from loosening up over time.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 12:31:23 PM UTC-5 Wesley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, and to be more practical: If you can turn the top (lock) nut by 
>>>> hand, it is not doing anything. I am not sure why the video recommends 
>>>> backing off the lock nut, but I don't think you should. The "lock" 
>>>> function 
>>>> comes from tightening that nut until it stretches the steerer. Taken to 
>>>> the 
>>>> extreme, this will cause the threaded section to be in tension between the 
>>>> lower and upper nuts until turning either nut in either direction would 
>>>> feel like "tightening" it. Hence, the nuts are locked. This is how the 
>>>> lock 
>>>> nuts on loose-bearing hubs work, for instance. You don't need to go to 
>>>> that 
>>>> extreme on the headset, since the upper bearing doesn't really do anything 
>>>> other than keep the steerer centered (the bottom bearing carries all the 
>>>> weight). So just go ahead and turn the lock nut until it is snug 
>>>> (guesstimating: 15 ft-lbs) and go ride.
>>>> -W
>>>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:00:56 AM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This advice all applies only to threaded forks (all Rivs except Gus 
>>>>> and tandem):
>>>>> 1. Use as many spacers as necessary so that the lock nut (top nut) is 
>>>>> fully engaged with the threads but doesn't bottom out.
>>>>> 2. Most (or all) threaded forks have a key groove in the steer tube, 
>>>>> cutting vertically through the threads (it is barely visible at 4:23 in 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> video you linked). A lock washer goes on the stack above the bottom nut 
>>>>> (which is the top bearing's inner race), with a tab or "key" that fits in 
>>>>> this groove. As a result, the lock washer cannot spin relative to the 
>>>>> steer 
>>>>> tube. Thus, friction from the spinning of the locknut and spacers above 
>>>>> this lock washer cannot cause the bottom nut to spin. So that bottom nut 
>>>>> will stay where you left it, even though you may crank down the top (aka 
>>>>> lock) nut with just one wrench.
>>>>> 3. There is an ideal tightness to which you will set the bearing. But 
>>>>> the lock nut works by stretching the steel of the steer tube (just a tiny 
>>>>> bit!) until the threads don't engage the bottom nut (this is why the 
>>>>> bottom 
>>>>> nut doesn't work loose over rough terrain). Stretching the steer tube 
>>>>> elongates it, so the bearings get looser. Therefore, you must adjust the 
>>>>> bearing to be too tight before the locknut goes on, so that the 
>>>>> stretching 
>>>>> brings the bearing to ideal tightness. Accomplishing this requires a feel 
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

[maxcr]

Another local sale only and no mention of Rivendell in the ad: 

56 Heron $2,650 in Adrian Michigan

https://annarbor.craigslist.org/bik/d/adrian-heron-by-waterford/7659634840.html

On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:54:20 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> 
> PSA
> There’s a beautiful silver 60 Bombadil on the FB group. Lots of bling 
> asking is $4,800 in the Pacific NW (local sale only)
> Max
>
> On Aug 24, 2023, at 5:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Just reposted on the list by our mutual friend Jason for $1750, too low 
> IMO.
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 1:30 PM Paul Clifton  wrote:
>
>> This apparently is in near me (northwest Arkansas) if anyone wants a 
>> proxy. Listed on Craigslist now: 
>> https://fayar.craigslist.org/bik/d/bentonville-rivendell-quickbeam-58cm/7657837282.html
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:52:45 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> PSA, 58 "Crusty" Quickbeam delux (paul, dynamo, etc.) not mine, nor my 
>>> size:
>>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/173086
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Roaduno

[maxcr]

Jason, I think the swoop proto Charlie with cantis is as close to a TIG Sam 
as well get
Max

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:48:41 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Between this and the production spec of the Charlie, it's clear that the 
> new models are simply splitting hairs between existing models - no shame in 
> it, I love to see the additional resolution within the world of Rivendells 
> - but splitting hairs nonetheless!  The Charlie has become a 
> cross-pollination of the Homer and Roadini, with a slightly dropped top 
> tube. 
>
> I still maintain that what the world needs now is Riv's answer to the 
> Cross Check - a TIG'd construction Hillborne essentially, ideally with a 
> swoop tube. 
>
> On Saturday, 26 August 2023 at 18:28:12 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It'll be like a Hilsen but singlespeed but you can mount a derailleur 
>> like a Hilsen. 
>>
>> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 3:39:43 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> If it's got caliper brakes like a Hilsen, that will send some people 
>>> into a tizzy.  The suspected derailleur hanger sent a different set of 
>>> people into a tizzy.  If it's got long chainstays and a sloping TT, then 
>>> that's two more tizzy-groups.  The tizzy venn-diagram will be interesting 
>>> to map out.  I'll be in a tizzy because I'm between the 54.5cm and 58cm 
>>> sizes.  Tizzy's galore!
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:30:08 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>>
>>>> From Grants blahg:
>>>> "RoadUnos are scheduled for early 2024, but we're getting prototypes in 
>>>> mid to late September.  They're basically A. Homer Hilsen frames except 
>>>> for 
>>>> the graphics and dropouts. Rear wheel spacing is 120mm."
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 12:19:26 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would wager Riv sells a few Roadunos based on that cool dropout. 
>>>>> I'll also drink to that!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Rich in ATL
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 1:26:46 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That has got to be one of the coolest dropouts I've ever seen.  Even 
>>>>>> if I didn't use the Der hanger, that thing is a beaut!  The gap between 
>>>>>> that upper hook and the fender boss looks like a beer bottle opener to 
>>>>>> me! 
>>>>>>  I'll drink to that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:29:22 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: b79c131c-d2e4-7454-7385-657a56268f96.jpg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 2:16:05 AM UTC-4 fe...@femiagbabiaka.xyz 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see -- in a recent interview with PathLessPedaled he mentioned 
>>>>>>>> that the bike he's riding most often is a 3x1 -- I'm now wondering if 
>>>>>>>> he's 
>>>>>>>> testing out the new Roaduno based on what you've described.
>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:15:07 AM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Grant wants folks to be able to run a double crankset and front 
>>>>>>>>> derailleur if they want. It's an odd duck for sure; 120mm rear 
>>>>>>>>> spacing with 
>>>>>>>>> track dropouts but a derailleur hanger. And there might be a braze-on 
>>>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>>>> running a shift cable for a front derailleur if they can't find a 
>>>>>>>>> good 
>>>>>>>>> bolt-on option.
>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't be my choice but I'm getting one anyway ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:28:39 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Question about thatif it requires a string tensioner then 
>>>>>>>>>> what makes it a singlespeed specific frame? He said it had 
>>>>>>>>>> horizontal 
>>>>>>>

[RBW] Re: Roaduno

[maxcr]

>From Grants blahg:
"RoadUnos are scheduled for early 2024, but we're getting prototypes in mid 
to late September.  They're basically A. Homer Hilsen frames except for the 
graphics and dropouts. Rear wheel spacing is 120mm."

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 12:19:26 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> I would wager Riv sells a few Roadunos based on that cool dropout. I'll 
> also drink to that!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 1:26:46 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> That has got to be one of the coolest dropouts I've ever seen.  Even if I 
>> didn't use the Der hanger, that thing is a beaut!  The gap between that 
>> upper hook and the fender boss looks like a beer bottle opener to me!  I'll 
>> drink to that!
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:29:22 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> [image: b79c131c-d2e4-7454-7385-657a56268f96.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 2:16:05 AM UTC-4 fe...@femiagbabiaka.xyz 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I see -- in a recent interview with PathLessPedaled he mentioned that 
 the bike he's riding most often is a 3x1 -- I'm now wondering if he's 
 testing out the new Roaduno based on what you've described.
 On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:15:07 AM UTC-5 velomann wrote:

> Grant wants folks to be able to run a double crankset and front 
> derailleur if they want. It's an odd duck for sure; 120mm rear spacing 
> with 
> track dropouts but a derailleur hanger. And there might be a braze-on for 
> running a shift cable for a front derailleur if they can't find a good 
> bolt-on option.
> Wouldn't be my choice but I'm getting one anyway ;-)
>
> Mike M
>
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:28:39 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Question about thatif it requires a string tensioner then what 
>> makes it a singlespeed specific frame? He said it had horizontal 
>> dropouts 
>> which is what would typically fix the need for a tensioner.
>>
>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:19:40 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> The PLP interview mentioned the samples coming late this month, and 
>>> the production frames probably pushed over new years now.  I have to 
>>> say, 
>>> when Grant said it's essentially a singlespeed Homer, I became suddenly 
>>> interested. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, 7 July 2023 at 09:44:49 UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
 The mid-May Blahg did say December in purple and dark orange. Or 
 purple and Sergio green. 

 We will see!

 Love the idea of it,

 Edwin

 On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 5:40:16 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> The mid-May Blahg  
> has em 
> slated for December in purple and dark orange. 
> Mack in Alberta 
>
> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 4:21:05 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The latest update they published was in February. saying they'd 
>> ship put of Taiwan in August/September.  That same email update said 
>> there 
>> would be a lugged Susie shipping in June and Platypus in July.  The 
>> Susie's 
>> don't seem to be here yet, so maybe push everything back a little.  
>> October?
>
>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 1:54:59 PM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone got any news/updates on availability?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Single Speed (QB/SO/RU..) Questions

[maxcr]

My SimpleOne came with a White Industries Eno dingle crank (38/35) and a 
White Ind Dos Eno freewheel (16/18) and Surly double fixed cog (17/20) in 
the rear.

I found myself enjoying the 38 front, 16 cog combination most, I think that 
was about 66 gi and it was great for tooling around in my mainly flat area.

Max

PS. Keep it! I regret selling my SO which was a fun, fast, beautiful and 
very practical bike.

On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:01:37 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Good advices above. On my SS mountain bike, I run about 51gi. About 5-700’ 
> climbing per mile around here. More gravel SS, I ran closer to 60gi. 
>
> I do love fixed offroad. 
> If you haven’t visited this site, it’s excellent read. 
>
> http://www.63xc.com
>
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 8:38:07 PM UTC-6 jasonz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the excellent information and antidotes Patrick and David... I 
>> appreciate the details and after crunching some numbers, it might be a good 
>> plan to flip my 48t chainring to a 40 and feel the difference from the 
>> current 74" to a more dialed back 61". Then, if I need more or less I can 
>> pick up a different cog or play from there.  I was debating back and forth 
>> to drop to either my options of 40 or 36 and felt like 36 made more sense 
>> but I think I might find a better feel with a 40 and not cut back so far 
>> that it takes a lot to bring it closer... smaller tweaks vs giant swings 
>> maybe?  a 36t would put me at mid 55" which might be good but I could make 
>> more tweaks with the 40t and still have the speed that I do enjoy.
>>
>> Thanks again, I am fully aware that there is a bunch of value I'd be 
>> walking away from, but more importantly I absolutely love this Riv out of 
>> the entire lineup and if there were one LOTR races I loved the most it's 
>> the Ents (and that matters, to me)
>>
>> xo
>>
>> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 9:15:54 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I have to say that I personally would keep that QB and ride it, at least 
>>> until the market improves.
>>>
>>> The old single speed mtb standard gear was ~50-55". Personally I find 
>>> that far too low not to get irritated on the flats. I don't know what your 
>>> hills are like, but I preferred 60" to 65" and walking to a lower gear.
>>>
>>> Long ago I built a fixed gear mountain bike and decided I preferred a 
>>> gear no lower than about 60" or 62" (175 mm cranks) because, while I don't 
>>> mind getting off and walking, I absolutely hate going downhill or before 
>>> headwinds in a tiny gear. My hills were sometimes steep and often sandy but 
>>> not that long (half a mile at longest).
>>>
>>> After a bit I decided I preferred multiple gears for real hills and 
>>> turned the mtb (nice top model Diamond Back) into a fixed gear allrounder 
>>> with 60 mm Big Apples, a 64" gear and 170 mm cranks.
>>>
>>> A bit later I set up a 2010 Monocog 29er with a single 63" gear (170 mm 
>>> cranks) which was fine for all around sandy road/trail riding and modest 
>>> hills as well as flat pavement.
>>>
>>> My current (2012) Monocog has a single 65" gear and 175 mm cranks for 
>>> sometimes deepish sand (but 72 mm tires at 13 psi) but I don't often face 
>>> hills on that bike.
>>>
>>> If I were faced with more hills I'd want at least a second, much lower 
>>> climbing gear. I've toyed with the idea of a kickback hub for a ~46" direct 
>>> and a 64" overdrive (1.38) but so far I've preferred the simplicity of a 
>>> single gear. But if I were faced with more hills I might do this. Or I 
>>> might try to find a way to get a 19 t and the current 15 t cog on one side 
>>> of the hub that with the 32 t ring (30.5" wheel) would give a 51" low and a 
>>> 65" high, and use a QR hub for easy swapping. 
>>>
>>> OTOH, when I briefly put 42 mm (39 mm actual on the 19 mm OW rims) 
>>> Naches Passes on my 1999 Joe Starck road custom, I rode it on some of our 
>>> firmer sand with a SA 2 speed fixed hub giving 57" and 76" gears, and it 
>>> was great fun but I didn't like getting my "pretty bike" all dirty.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 6:11 PM Jason Zakaras  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So as its been posted, I'm selling my Quickbeam, but even with "too 
 low" prices, its still not moving.  I also have options to figured out how 
 to tow my newest addition and I can make space/have the space so who 
 cares.  The big concern for me is riding it and I don't find myself 
 jumping 
 on it as often as I'd like.  Partially due to the epic mtn bike scene 
 immediately around me and my newly rebuilt bombora that I absolutely love. 
  
 That said, It would be fun to hit the trails on a QB and I have a 
 pass 
 rack and some bags I'd like to use to do some camping with my twin boys 
 (7) 
 and the SS would be a nice way to enjoy the trip out to the woods with 
 them.  

 The question I pose is what gear options do you all enjoy.  I've dug 
 into the 

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[maxcr]

My Sam Hillborne took a 26.8 seat post.
Max

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:52:43 PM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I can tell you that the Hunqapillar and Cheviot (both lugged models) use 
> 26.8, at least in the batches represented in my household. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Aug 23, 2023, at 2:19 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> I think the lugged bikes (like the Sam) use 27.2 and the tigged stuff has 
> is 26.8
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 4:33:47 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> So, 26.8 is what you want for a Sam? 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 2:56:09 PM UTC-4 J Imler wrote:
>>
>>> After years of ownership and the dreaded slip of the Riv issued post, I 
>>> put a thin coat of grease on top of the post, then sprinkled a fine sand 
>>> over it. When I clamped the saddle on, I heard a most satisfying crunch, 
>>> crunch, crunch from all the little contact points. This was after I used a 
>>> smallish file to mimic what Garth mentioned as bead blasted at all 
>>> applicable areas, which was moderately helpful at best. I agree that the 
>>> slick surface was not going to hold so I took matters into my own hands. 
>>> Fingers crossed but feeling confident. Attached are pics for comparison. 
>>> 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Saris Freedom and Clem 64

[maxcr]

Thanks Nick, this is super helpful! I'm picking up the bike tomorrow and 
I'll report back this weekend - fingers crossed since I know the bikes have 
grown long over the years and the latest iterations are very long (which 
ironically is part of the reason I'm getting it)
Max

PS. I also managed to track down a bike store in Wisconsin that had an 
extension 
bar 
<https://www.machineryrowbicycles.com/product/saris-freedom-long-wheelbase-bar-218785-1.htm>
 
from Saris meant for recumbents that seems to solve the problem. The issue 
is they aren't made anymore and nobody locally had them in stock.
here is the description: "Add Saris' Freedom Long Wheelbase Bar to your 
Saris Freedom rack (sold separately) to carry an extra long wheelbase 
bicycle like a tandem or recumbent. The rack holds two bikes of up to 35 
pounds each, and the Long Wheelbase Bar holds a bike that measures up to 57 
inches axle to axle."

On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 11:33:17 PM UTC-4 fiddl...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ve gotten my 64 to fit in an older version of that rack - you can make 
> it work, but the tires won’t quite fit down in the tray. It’s secure, if 
> not confidence-inspiring.
>
> I recently upgraded to a 1up and it’s dreamy - plenty of space for all 
> that wonderful wheelbase!
>
> On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 1:54:23 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here know if I can fit a Clem 64 on a Saris Freedom EX-2 
>> hitch rack? 
>>
>> The spec for the rack says up to 50” wheelbase and this Clem measures 52” 
>> center of hub to center of hub. 
>>
>> Thanks 
>> Max 
>>
>> PS I saw there used to be a long wheelbase bar but they seem to be out of 
>> stock everywhere.
>
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Re: [RBW] Cargo/Kid bike recommendations (or bikefriday vs. tern)

[maxcr]

I've been following this thread with interest.  I'm still on the lookout 
for a rosco bebbe, but if you're looking for a Yuba Sweet Curry here are 
few options for sale around the country:

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/bik/d/albuquerque-yuba-cargo-bike/7648949239.html
https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/wheat-ridge-2019-yuba-sweet-curry/7626882551.html
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-yuba-sweet-curry-long-tail/7643178697.html

The last one seems to be a good deal.

Max

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 2:19:26 PM UTC-4 Drw wrote:

> Yeah it's definitely between the Kombi and Short haul now. Leaning Kombi, 
> but finding anywhere that stocks these for a test ride is proving 
> impossible in los angeles. Looks like the Kombi is out of stock now as 
> well. 
>
> Will M, did your Yuba come with a double up front? The Kombi is a 1x and I 
> dont know how easy it would be to route a cable and put a derailer on it 
> with all those weird tubing sizes and shapes. Could always just have 
> another chainring on as a manual bail out, I guess. 
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 10:54:56 AM UTC-7 Will M wrote:
>
>> Drew,
>>
>> I faced the same dilemma a few years back.  An Atlantis + 
>> Rich-Lesnick-built 36-spoke rear wheel (and child carrier) were easily 
>> rated for my 40-lb 5 y.o., (also w/ sensory issues) but I found the weight 
>> that high up (on top o' 700c wheel) made the stability unsafe.  Really 
>> unsafe.  
>>
>> If the "footprint" is a constraint you'd consider relaxing, the 
>> discontinued Yuba Sweet Curry is the one to get.  Checks all your other 
>> boxes. Analog, capacity for rider plus 300 lbs (250-lbs in back and 50-lbs 
>> in front basket).  Twenty-inch rear wheel keeps the kids low and they can 
>> wiggle all they want (4 year old + 8 year old = 110 lbs + backpacks). 
>>  Frame-mounted front-basket with 50-lb capacity has little effect on 
>> handling (try putting 50-lbs in my Wald 139 basket on the front of the 
>> Atlantis!  Not.)  Handles like my old BMW motorcycle.
>>
>> Alas, the Sweet Curry is discontinued, and the Yuba Kombi (with 24" 
>> wheels) is the analog option now.  Slightly shorter wheelbase and lower 
>> weight capacity of the Sweet Curry, but with the monkey bars in back, your 
>> son will not outgrow it for years.  Yuba website shows a nice way to hang 
>> 'em vertically in small apartments. :-)
>>
>> Tip: The Analog Yubas are sped'ed with gearing that's too tall.  I 
>> swapped the front crank with the RBW/Silver 24x38.  The ratios are perfect 
>> with the 11x32 rear cassette.  And the 178mm (!) crank arms definitely help 
>> when starting up at traffic lights with 110-lbs of kids.
>>
>> Seems space is a hard constraint for you.  It is me too (NYC apartment), 
>> so the Yuba lives on the street year-round.  I simply know of no other bike 
>> that will be as good for a 5-y.o. (and then 6 and then 7 and then...)I 
>> take mine to my LBS twice a year for maintenance.  Since 2017, I've worn 
>> out 1 rear hub, 2 bottom brackets, 5 chains, 2 complete sets of disc brake 
>> pads, 1 rear derailer, and 1 broken derailer hanger.  And folks have stolen 
>> the saddle and post and cushions.  Oh well.  Bright lights, big city and 
>> all. 
>>
>> Wow, that Globe Haul is a neat option too.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Will
>> NYC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 7:17:41 PM UTC-5 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Why not electric?  My kids are nearing college age and I'm looking 
>>> forward to replacing a car with an e-cargo bike.  I have no specific 
>>> recommendations for you, but to me, you get more general utility with a 
>>> motor.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 6:10:41 PM UTC-4 Chester wrote:
>>>
 Drew,

 The Yuba Kombi probably will make more sense in the long term because 
 it's, like, a mid-tail cargo bike and when your kid is riding on their own 
 it's still useful as a cargo hauler. Also can best serve as both kid and 
 cargo interchangeably, during transition period when you want your kid to 
 be able to hop onto padded bench seat sometimes, but not so much that 
 you're going to keep a full child seat installed.

 Smaller wheels do make carrying a kid feel better. I went from riding 
 with a kid in a Thule rear rackmount seat on an old 26" Rockhopper and 
 then 
 got an Orbea Katu with 20" wheels and the latter rode much nicer with the 
 top-heavy load. Even for me but especially for my wife, who isn't so 
 confident on a bike, even without a load. 

 Orbea unfortunately doesn't sell the Katu in the USA any more. It's a 
 great family bike for sub-"cargo" use but is closer to a mid-tail cargo 
 bike (with 20" wheels) than most minivelos, with pretty long 
 chainstays/wheelbase. Also with geo designed for more upright riding and 
 flexible range of rider height. Plenty of heel clearance to ride with a 
 set 
 of panniers mounted to an 

[RBW] Re: Forks and adjusting headsets

[maxcr]

Thanks Wes, George and Piaw - It seems like I need to go back and readjust 
my headset!

Max

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:58:29 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> There's another aspect to adjusting threaded headsets: holding the fork 
> stationary while using the two wrenches (one on the bottom of the upper 
> stack and the other on the locknut).  Stein Tools sells this device to 
> accomplish that: 
> https://steintool.com/portfolio-items/fork-stabilizer-tool/.  But instead 
> of paying $60 for a specialized tools that gets used only occasionally, I 
> just put the front wheel into the fork blades and hold it steady with my 
> knees while tightening those headset nuts.  I have what used to be called 
> an "Ultimate Rack," now just called a Feedback Sports Rakk bike stand 
> https://feedbacksports.com/products/rakk-bike-stand-black?variant=44392877752618
>  
> to stabilize the bike so it doesn't tip over. It's close to the same cost 
> as the Stein tool, but it can be used much more frequently to hold the bike 
> upright while inflating tires, etc.
>
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 12:36:51 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Adding to Wesley's excellent advice, I've found that applying a thin 
>> layer of LocTite "blue" to the threads of the top locknut will help keep it 
>> from loosening up over time.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 12:31:23 PM UTC-5 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, and to be more practical: If you can turn the top (lock) nut by 
>>> hand, it is not doing anything. I am not sure why the video recommends 
>>> backing off the lock nut, but I don't think you should. The "lock" function 
>>> comes from tightening that nut until it stretches the steerer. Taken to the 
>>> extreme, this will cause the threaded section to be in tension between the 
>>> lower and upper nuts until turning either nut in either direction would 
>>> feel like "tightening" it. Hence, the nuts are locked. This is how the lock 
>>> nuts on loose-bearing hubs work, for instance. You don't need to go to that 
>>> extreme on the headset, since the upper bearing doesn't really do anything 
>>> other than keep the steerer centered (the bottom bearing carries all the 
>>> weight). So just go ahead and turn the lock nut until it is snug 
>>> (guesstimating: 15 ft-lbs) and go ride.
>>> -W
>>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:00:56 AM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>>>
>>>> This advice all applies only to threaded forks (all Rivs except Gus and 
>>>> tandem):
>>>> 1. Use as many spacers as necessary so that the lock nut (top nut) is 
>>>> fully engaged with the threads but doesn't bottom out.
>>>> 2. Most (or all) threaded forks have a key groove in the steer tube, 
>>>> cutting vertically through the threads (it is barely visible at 4:23 in 
>>>> the 
>>>> video you linked). A lock washer goes on the stack above the bottom nut 
>>>> (which is the top bearing's inner race), with a tab or "key" that fits in 
>>>> this groove. As a result, the lock washer cannot spin relative to the 
>>>> steer 
>>>> tube. Thus, friction from the spinning of the locknut and spacers above 
>>>> this lock washer cannot cause the bottom nut to spin. So that bottom nut 
>>>> will stay where you left it, even though you may crank down the top (aka 
>>>> lock) nut with just one wrench.
>>>> 3. There is an ideal tightness to which you will set the bearing. But 
>>>> the lock nut works by stretching the steel of the steer tube (just a tiny 
>>>> bit!) until the threads don't engage the bottom nut (this is why the 
>>>> bottom 
>>>> nut doesn't work loose over rough terrain). Stretching the steer tube 
>>>> elongates it, so the bearings get looser. Therefore, you must adjust the 
>>>> bearing to be too tight before the locknut goes on, so that the stretching 
>>>> brings the bearing to ideal tightness. Accomplishing this requires a feel 
>>>> that develops over time. Or you could just get a sealed-bearing headset, 
>>>> which allow much more leeway in bearing adjustment without feeling loose 
>>>> or 
>>>> tight (because a sealed bearing headset squeezes the bearing races, not 
>>>> the 
>>>> balls.)
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>> -Wes
>>>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 8:33:48 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There was a conversation on the Roadini thread 
>>>>> <http

[RBW] Forks and adjusting headsets

[maxcr]

There was a conversation on the Roadini thread 
 about 
adjusting the headset after fork removal.  This is something I've wondered 
for a while - some say you need to wrenches others one, my experience is if 
I tighten and back a bit I can move the nut with my hand.

Does anyone have a solid explanation of how it's done? When installing one 
of my forks on a new bike I had found this video  
from Rivendell where you can see the process 
but I'm still unsure of how tight I should go? Should I use a wrench or is 
it enough to hand tighten?

Also, how many spacers should one use when setting up a fork?

Thanks
Max

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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[maxcr]

Things are working for me without swapping seatposts and simply by pushing 
my saddle forward instead of backwards.

If anyone is still looking, the IRD posts seem to be back at 
Somafab: 
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/ird-seatpost-wayback-compact-6972?search=compact#attr=346,4463,1073

Max

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:08:15 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> I'd guess it's working out for Max since he hasn't posted an update, 
> that's usually how it goes when all is well !  
>
> I can't say bike fitting is mysterious, I'd call it intuitive. While 
> others can help steer you in the right direction, the fine tuning is all an 
> "inside job", so to speak. Just as no one can eat or breathe for another, 
> the Life that Lives In and As ALL isn't up for "negotiation". It MUST BE ! 
>
> Since I've been re-familiarizing myself with riding in road position with 
> DT shifters and new saddle, I've moved mine forward some 15mm+ from when I 
> started with it. It just keeps feeling better, as in more 
> efficient/effective use of what strengths I have. Yesterday I unexpectedly 
> found myself riding up a knarly hill that has some really steep sections. I 
> had not ridden it in a long time and surely had my doubts as to doing it. 
> It took a while to get in the groove and took to standing on the initial 
> very steepest parts, but soon found myself seated and going up just fine in 
> the 36/32 high gear. I used to have to stand the whole way. I could feel 
> how much more effective it is to be able to use the quad/front muscles more 
> by sitting more forward. When I was too far back I'd have to either stand 
> or go to a lower granny gear and felt weak. My road bike doesn't have a 
> lower gear and thankfully so. I didn't need a lower gear to compensate for 
> my self-made mistake, I simply had to express my inherent strengths most 
> effectively and efficiently, upon which it often feels effortless. Rather 
> neat in that way ! I'm riding 150mm cranks and somewhat mid-foot pedaling, 
> all of which just works well for me.  
>

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[RBW] 2023 Riv Geo Chart

[maxcr]

Here's a little nugget from Will's email, I know a few people were looking 
for the geo charts of the new frames.
Max

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[RBW] Triple to double conversion

[maxcr]

I have a couple of fun cranksets and I'm contemplating a few ideas for 
which I'd love your input.

Crankset 1. Ritchey Logic Compact crankset with 42/32/22 chainrings 94/58 
bcd.
Crankset 2. Suntour XC Pro crankset with 46/36/24 chainrings power 
ring 110/74 bcd (I actually bought a few things with this, mtn thumb 
shifters (7 spd), rear derailleur, rear hub, freewheel - all XC Pro)

I'm perfectly content with the Sugino triple 46/36/24 on my Bombadil and I 
actually have nothing against triples, but I'm contemplating converting one 
of the cranksets above to a double just because who doesn't need a project 
to tinker with your Riv?

The bike is a do-it-all All Rounder, so I want to have wide gearing range, 
something like a 42/32 double with a 12-36 cassette would accomplish that 
for me. A 46/36 might not quite cut it, but I could go low low 36-24 too.

Anyway back to converting a triple into a double. As I understand it, there 
are a few ways to do that:
1) Remove the big chainring (potentially swap it for a chainguard) and call 
it a day (or change some chainrings)

2) Remove the little chainring and call it a day (or change some chainrings 
after)

But... not so fast. If I go with option 1 without the chain guard do I need 
new / shorter chainring bolts? If so, which ones do I get? Are these 
universal?

Are the pros/cons of either option? Will I run into Q-factor issues, 
chainline and chainstay / derailer problems? I had read this on an old 
post: "my Bomba and I suppose a Hunqa frame you are limited to a 36t middle 
unless you get a wider BB."

So, what about the bottom bracket? Do I need to go narrower to get the 
right chainline? Or wider to fit the 32?

I tracked down a few conversations from way back, here and in other forums. 
It seems like the original suggested bottom bracket for these cranks are:
1) Ritchey Logic Double - 110-113mm (this is probably close to what's in 
there now)
2) Suntour XC Pro - Suntour Greaseguard 122.5mm (I managed to get my hands 
on one of these)

For the Ritchey as a double (when removing the inner ring) I heard people 
suggesting a Phil 98mm BB which I cannot find. Another alternative is using 
a 103mm with some hacks 

For the Suntour, I have no idea what is required in terms of BB. Maybe you 
just have to try a few.

What does the collective knowledge here recommend? Ritchey or Suntour? 
Remove the outer or the inner?

Thanks
Max
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno

[maxcr]

Hey Brian, you can always track down a Quickbeam (I've seen a couple up for 
sale recently) or a Simpleone. I had one for a bit and it was a really fun 
bike with great tire clearance

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 3:23:51 PM UTC-4 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> When I first heard about the Roaduno I was over the moon about it, however 
> my interest has continued to decline as more and more details become 
> available. I love the clean lines single speed setups offer so the addition 
> of the rear hanger and routing for a front derailleur is a major bummer to 
> me. Could I cut it off? Sure. Do I want to do that on a brand new single 
> speed oriented bike? No. I was also excited about tire clearance. I believe 
> at some point clearance for 55's and fenders was mentioned, but with it now 
> being referred to as a single speed homer I'm assuming that it'll be more 
> like 40-something w/ fenders.
>
> I'm sure it'll still be a great bike and sounds like it'll have a ton of 
> versatility built in.
>
> Brian
>
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 2:09:37 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> But Rivendell offers many options for those that want a geared bike. It 
>> seems odd that someone would want to overly gear up this single speed. I am 
>> agreement that the hanger should not be on there. I am OK with two rings on 
>> the front with no derailler. Thats bare bones.
>>
>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 3:07:06 PM UTC-4 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> "...or use a 120mm rear wheel and have a full on geared bike. I’ve fit 8 
>>> cogs with “10-speed” spacing onto a 120mm cassette hub from Grand Bois. A 
>>> 2x8 RoadUno would be pretty funny. "
>>>
>>> I can pretty much guarantee you that it will not have any braze-ons for 
>>> rear shifting, so one would need to source some old-school clamp-on cable 
>>> stops.
>>>
>>> I'm only slightly bothered by the derailleur hanger and (possible) front 
>>> shift braze-on. Riv attracts an...esoteric? kind of bike clientele, so I 
>>> get it, though I really wish the frame was pure, clean, single-speed.  But 
>>> as Grant said in an email exchange we had about the Roaduno, it's a lot 
>>> easier to saw a derailleur hanger off than it is to weld one on.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 11:30:19 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 "A 2x8 RoadUno would be pretty funny."

 Roll up to RBW on that so Grant can shake his head, "What is wrong with 
 you, Bubba?" 

 On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:33:43 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> …or use a 120mm rear wheel and have a full on geared bike. I’ve fit 8 
> cogs with “10-speed” spacing onto a 120mm cassette hub from Grand Bois. A 
> 2x8 RoadUno would be pretty funny. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 1:27 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> You could singlespeed an existing frame, but this one is designed so 
>> you DON'T need a tensioner for it if you're definitely-fer-sure going to 
>> stick with one gear. 
>>
>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 9:11:05 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> My area is way too hilly and I am way too old to entertain a single 
>>> speed (or two or three speed) anyway so its not something I am 
>>> interested 
>>> in BUT I was still curious. If its designed to use a tensioner then why 
>>> not 
>>> just single speed one of their existing bikes?
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:19:37 AM UTC-4 velomann wrote:
>>>
 Correction - not track dropouts; horizontal facing forward (I 
 think).
 Mike M

 On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:15:07 AM UTC-7 velomann wrote:

> Grant wants folks to be able to run a double crankset and front 
> derailleur if they want. It's an odd duck for sure; 120mm rear 
> spacing with 
> track dropouts but a derailleur hanger. And there might be a braze-on 
> for 
> running a shift cable for a front derailleur if they can't find a 
> good 
> bolt-on option.
> Wouldn't be my choice but I'm getting one anyway ;-)
>
> Mike M
>
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:28:39 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Question about thatif it requires a string tensioner then 
>> what makes it a singlespeed specific frame? He said it had 
>> horizontal 
>> dropouts which is what would typically fix the need for a tensioner.
>>
>> On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:19:40 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The PLP interview mentioned the samples coming late this month, 
>>> and the production frames probably pushed over new years now.  I 
>>> have to 
>>> say, when Grant said it's essentially a singlespeed Homer, I became 
>>> suddenly interested. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, 7 July 2023 at 

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[maxcr]

Another All Rounder, beautiful and in my size - so tempting, but the timing 
is not right. I was in touch with the owner who also has a Bombadil, very 
nice guy.

2004 59cm Rivendell All-Rounder
Curt Goodrich built frame USA
Joe Bell paint
26” wheels
$3K
SF, CA

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-all-rounder/7642699971.html

Max

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 8:39:52 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: Screen Shot 2023-07-13 at 8.38.46 AM.png]
>
> Rivendell All Rounder, 54cm 
> Waterford-built
> $3,000
> Sellwood Cycle. Portland, OR 
>
> https://sellwoodcycle.com/collections/used-bikes/products/54cm-rivendell-all-arounder
>
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 2:10:25 AM UTC-4 kw wrote:
>
>>
>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-rivendell-atlantis-53cm/7635482928.html
>>
>> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 1:38:33 PM UTC-4 jad...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://missoula.craigslist.org/bik/d/missoula-rivendell-sam-hillborne-60cm/7633643955.html
>>> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>>
 Valerie,

 The description says it was built in Japan, so Toyo origin. It would 
 have come with 26" wheels; must be a conversion.

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 10:44:27 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Re the Atlantis 53, did Riv sell a 650B version in that size or was it 
> a conversion? I have one and it has 26” wheels.
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 7:18:41 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>>
>> Toyo Atlantis size 53. 650b with dynamo (F). This looks like a 
>> fantastic deal. I have no relation to the seller. Just happen to see it. 
>>
>> https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72037052
>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:17:54 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 64cm top tube on that Clem, but not a 64cm frame. Biggies in the H 
>>> came in at 65cm. This one above is probably a 59?
>>> -Kai (who saw the most beautiful red Quickbeam this morning on the 
>>> Queensboro bridge, who’s owner said “you haven’t sold that yet?”, 
>>> regarding 
>>> my Rosco, to which I replied “It’s the other Rosco I’ve been thinking 
>>> about 
>>> selling”. But wow, those Roscos are fun fun fun, and measure 64cm and 
>>> are 
>>> considerably zippier feeling that the Clem 65, which I also rode today. 
>>> I 
>>> should send one West to the Wasatch Front for yearly shreds, but I 
>>> shouldn’t….)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:18:44 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Clem Smith Jr. H
 64cm
 2200
 Pleasanton, CA

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pleasanton-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-64cm/7629580864.html

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FT: Velocity Cliffhangers, SON Deluxe Widebody, White Industries MI5 wheelset

[maxcr]

Hey Jared, 

I don't think the Atlas are tubeless compatible which was in your original 
request.

Also, can you remind me where you're located?

Max

On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 7:31:18 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a white industries rear hub hanging on a hook also because I can't 
> deal with the noise. I swapped it out for a pair of wheels from Ted Neugent 
> which were much quieter and lighter. I also have a set of wheels built with 
> Miche Primato Syntesi hubs that are also a lot quieter. But people tell me 
> that they want their hubs to be as loud as possible, but those are probably 
> not the folks who populate this mailing list. :-)
>
> On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 4:27:06 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the responses, unfortunately nothing has materialized yet 
>> so I'm still open to offers.
>>
>> Most looking for a pair of silver Velocity Atlas, Shimano rear hub... 
>> prefer SON dynamo, could work with Shimano...or Kasai? Fairly flexible!
>>
>> Let's chat an get you on a SON/White Industries wheelset :)
>>
>> jared
>>
>> On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 8:43:24 AM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> Hey group,
>>>
>>> Last listing went so well I'd like to see if there are any trade 
>>> opportunities for this wheelset.
>>>
>>> I purchased these wheels in 2020 for my first Susie, and while they're 
>>> amazing wheels I'm looking to "downgrade" in a sense. Mainly I don't need 
>>> the width of the Cliffhangers, and the White Industries rear hub is is too 
>>> loud for my taste so I'd like to switch to something quieter, and change to 
>>> silver.
>>>
>>> Mine:
>>>
>>> Velocity Cliffhanger 700c rims 32h black
>>>
>>> Sapim Force Spokes with brass nipples black
>>>
>>> Son Deluxe Widebody dynamo hub black
>>>
>>> White Industries MI5 rear hub black
>>>
>>>
>>> Great condition, present well and ride even better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Desired wheels:
>>>
>>> 700c
>>>
>>> Silver
>>>
>>> Tubeless compatible (not super essential but nice to have)
>>>
>>> Dynamo hub (LOVE my Son hub, would ideally have another)
>>>
>>> Quiet rear hub!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Let's chat if you would like an opportunity to upgrade your existing 
>>> wheels, I'm sure there's a deal to be made somehow.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks and please respond off list :)
>>>
>>>
>>> jared
>>>
>>>
>>> *Photo of complete bike because wheels are mounted and currently in use, 
>>> Platypus not for sale ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_6847.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Derailer Question - XTR-951

[maxcr]

Thanks that's exactly what I needed to know!

Max

On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 4:09:32 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> Max, the M951 will work fine with both 8-speed and 9-speed. 
>
> (Shimano technically called the M951 an 8-speed. And when they came out 
> with the M953 Rapid Rise they called the latter 9-speed.)  
>
>
> On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 3:40:02 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> I just picked up a 951 rapid rise derailer on Ebay. The listing said it's 
>> an 8-speed. I figured it might just be that's how the seller had it set up 
>> - I plan to use it on my 9 speed setup.
>>
>> Then I bumped into someone selling 9sp pulleys for an XTR derailer, which 
>> got me wondering - do 951's have a specific 8sp or 9sp spec?  If they do, 
>> is it because of different pulleys? Or are they all the same and work for 8 
>> or 9?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Max
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Derailer Question - XTR-951

[maxcr]

I just picked up a 951 rapid rise derailer on Ebay. The listing said it's 
an 8-speed. I figured it might just be that's how the seller had it set up 
- I plan to use it on my 9 speed setup.

Then I bumped into someone selling 9sp pulleys for an XTR derailer, which 
got me wondering - do 951's have a specific 8sp or 9sp spec?  If they do, 
is it because of different pulleys? Or are they all the same and work for 8 
or 9?

Thanks
Max


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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Build Opinions

[maxcr]

My Hunqa has a Discord Fingerling Stem with 70mm reach and a Jones Loop Bar 
(710) - it's a great setup
Max

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 9:58:21 AM UTC-4 Dave Grossman wrote:

> I once heard an interview with Jeff Jones on how to set up his H-Bar and 
> he mentioned using a stem short enough so that you can fully utilize his 
> bars.  If the stem is too long, the curve at the front won't be used for 
> more "aero" riding and if it is too short the grips won't be comfy either.
>
> I've tried to apply this to my Hunq and I ended up running a 120/Albas on 
> it!  I suggest trying a few setups on the Joe until you feel like you can 
> utilize it in full.
>
> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 2:40:40 AM UTC-5 Eric Grim wrote:
>
>> Focusing on the question, what kinds of bars do people like on their 
>> Appaloosas, I had Nitto *North Road* bars on mine for a while (now, my 
>> Grant Petersen-designed Soma *San Marcos* is wearing them).  I don't 
>> think Nitto is making those bars anymore, but there are lots that are 
>> pretty similar, including the Choco and Albastache.  I like them a lot.
>>
>> Presently my Appaloosa has Nitto VS touring/butterfly bars.  I haven't 
>> ridden with them much yet.
>>
>> I took some pics but couldn't figure out how to paste them into this 
>> reply.
>>
>> Eric Grim
>> Spokane (just north of the Palouse, where the Appaloosa horse came from.)
>>
>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 7:08:44 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Got my Appa on Monday, built it yesterday and commuted to work on it 
>>> today. First impressions are that it's exactly what I had hoped for. The 
>>> ride is amazing and it feels so plush while still remaining responsive; 
>>> nimble yet stable. But I think it could still be better and I want to 
>>> channel the wisdom of the group.
>>>
>>> Currently, I have the bike built with drop bars (50cm V/O Randonneur). 
>>> However, I know this frame, like many of the Riv frames, is really built 
>>> with swept back bars in mind. Knowing this, I went with a stem that's about 
>>> half my "typical" length. Unfortunately, it still feels like quite a reach 
>>> to get on the hoods, not impossible, but not "normal". So, this is where my 
>>> question starts:
>>>
>>> Do I continue to try shortening the stem, say to maybe 30-40mm, or do I 
>>> give in to my swept bar destiny and spring for some new bars? And if I go 
>>> with sweeps, which bars do people like on the Appa? I have 65mm Tosco bars 
>>> on my Gus and it's wonderful on that bike, but being that I don't want to 
>>> be quite so upright (and there's not quite as much room) on the Appa. I was 
>>> thinking of going with either Billie or Albatross bars. The two are so 
>>> similar, however, that I'm having a hard time deciding between the two. I'm 
>>> probably splitting hairs, as usual, but I'm genuinely curious to see what 
>>> y'all think.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -- 
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>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB WTT 31.8 shorty stem

[maxcr]

Does anyone have a 31.8 discord w(right) 30mm or discord fingerling 50mm 
stem gathering dust? Clear or black is fine.

I bought a Crust Shaka bar but my Jim stem puts it too far away so I'd love 
to trade you for either a lugged stem (26 clamp) i recently got or for a 
face platter (I have a couple) or the Jim 4-Bolt TIG 31.8 8cm stem plus 
some cash.

Max

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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[maxcr]

I've followed this thread closely and I also re-read Peter White's fit 
guide. I still feel like bike fitting is dark magic, but here are some 
interesting findings.

Following Garth's comment: "Moving your saddle further back than your 
optimal position over the bottom bracket for the sake of more forward reach 
is "going the wrong direction" !"  I decided to take the time to measure 
and compare my bikes's touch points. Garth, I think you nailed it! 

I normally just "shove my brooks all the way back" which is the standard 
advise I got. Yesterday, I found that the horizontal distance between my 
saddle and the pedals was a whopping 2" longer on my Gallop than on my 
Hunqapillar. I then pushed my saddle forward as far as I could go which got 
me very close to the horizontal distance between saddle and pedal that I 
wanted.

I went for a quick ride - the Gallop is in the middle of a cockpit swap and 
I didn't have a shifter cable long enough, so it wasn't a full test ride - 
but I felt much more comfortable. I'll report more in the next few days, 
but I think the old advise to "shove my brooks all the way back" might not 
apply to the newer slacker, Riv geometries.

Max

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 8:23:45 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Shee-*IT.* I meant to say: He counseled shoving the saddle back and *lowering 
> it* while raising and shortening the stem.
>
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 6:09 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> ... I ... complained to Grant that I felt that I was "losing the pedal 
>> stroke" over top dead center.* He counseled shoving the saddle back and 
>> raising* it while raising and shortening the stem. Pedaling Nirvana; 
>> comfort as well as power, not to mention handling back to normal
>>
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Re: [RBW] I spy a yellow Platypus

[maxcr]

Another colorful Platy build!  

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/jordans-platty

Max

On Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 7:30:45 AM UTC-4 Elton Lance wrote:

> Love the white Rivet saddle.  Looks perfect on the bike!
>
> Elton Lance
> Vero Beach, FL
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> I love it. Like riding on sunshine. 
>
> Like Leah, you and bike are color coordinated. And, you have the BEST 
> reason for being absent from social media. 
>
> Roberta 
>
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 8:06:52 PM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, this is the dream realized Yellow Platypus! And I have been very 
>> very absent from social media because I cannot stop riding this bike!
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:27:41 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes! Good eye, Max! And Ryan, good memory! My RivSister (we met on 
>>> Instagram) wanted a yellow Platy and we have been planning and dreaming for 
>>> weeks, and here it finally is. I will start a new thread about her bike 
>>> (she asked me to because she isn’t in love with technology) tonight, 
>>> probably late. She’s out riding and is on West Coast time and I’m in 
>>> Eastern, so there’s a little delay. Anyway, as soon as she answers the 
>>> questions I have and hands me the photos she wants, I’ll be back with the 
>>> details. I’m so happy for her! 
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oooh nice! I feel like Leah mentioned someone getting a Platypus and 
>>>> wanting to paint it yellow fairly recently...within the last 6 months or 
>>>> so. 
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 2:23:24 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Did you see the yellow platy on Insta? OMG!
>>>>>
>>>>> Posting here for those without social media accounts
>>>>>
>>>>> Max
>>>>> [image: 351013416_54772725404_237773184394501808_n.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Brass bits and bobs

[maxcr]

Hi Ted,

I'm not sure if you're looking for used bits, but if you're ok paying for 
new, Analog Cycles has some of what you're looking for and they ship really 
fast: 
https://analogcycles.com/products/blue-lug-brass-square-taper-crank-extractor?_pos=15&_sid=30764e461&_ss=r

Max

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 10:52:59 AM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm leaning in to the purple and gold/brass color scheme on the new Appa 
> and I'm looking for the following:
>
> * Blue Lug 1" brass headset spacers
> * Blue Lug brass crank caps
>
> If you have either of these or any other brass bits and bobs that might be 
> interesting feel free to message me off-list, thanks!
>
> -- 
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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[maxcr]

Thanks Laing and Johnny, this confirms my hunch that perhaps moving the 
saddle forward and using a longer stem might be the answer for me. I'll try 
that and report back.
Max

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 12:29:52 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Max, I will note this about the Gallop. I thought my saddle needed to go 
> back but I tried moving it forward and it was immensely better. I think the 
> feeling of needing to go further back is common.
>
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 11:09:38 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> With a 80.5 cm long saddle height, a 71.5 deg ST angle will put the top 
>> of the saddle inline with the seat tube 0.67 cm (0.26") behind the center 
>> of the top of a 72 deg ST angle seat tube. And 0.22 cm (0.09") lower.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:44:15 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the tip Garth, unfortunately I went to place the order that 
>>> day and after almost a week, I got notified that they're out of stock for a 
>>> couple of months... I guess I'll need to wait because everyone seems to be 
>>> out of stock.
>>>
>>> On a separate note, does anyone have any thoughts on my question above 
>>> regarding 71.5 vs 72 seat tube angles? Assuming the same saddle height, 
>>> shouldn't the 71.5 put me further away (horizontally)  from the BB? I'm 
>>> just wondering if I need to bring my saddle forward instead of backwards!
>>>
>>> Thanks again
>>> Max who is keeping his Gallop and tinkering with it some more - I'm 
>>> swapping the bar mounted shifters to barends to gain more space on my 
>>> handlebar
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 4:44:53 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's the same post Max, there's only the one IRD Wayback post. Riv 
>>>> would get their supply from Merry Sales, the parent company/wholesaler of 
>>>> IRD and Soma. They have frequent weekend discounts and at this time IRD is 
>>>> included in the brands of the sale. The code and brands included are on 
>>>> the 
>>>> home page. Their payment options are limited to just two cards, fwiw. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/ird-seatpost-wayback-2418?category=987#attr=539,4002,3304
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[maxcr]

Thanks for the tip Garth, unfortunately I went to place the order that day 
and after almost a week, I got notified that they're out of stock for a 
couple of months... I guess I'll need to wait because everyone seems to be 
out of stock.

On a separate note, does anyone have any thoughts on my question above 
regarding 71.5 vs 72 seat tube angles? Assuming the same saddle height, 
shouldn't the 71.5 put me further away (horizontally)  from the BB? I'm 
just wondering if I need to bring my saddle forward instead of backwards!

Thanks again
Max who is keeping his Gallop and tinkering with it some more - I'm 
swapping the bar mounted shifters to barends to gain more space on my 
handlebar

On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 4:44:53 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> It's the same post Max, there's only the one IRD Wayback post. Riv would 
> get their supply from Merry Sales, the parent company/wholesaler of IRD and 
> Soma. They have frequent weekend discounts and at this time IRD is included 
> in the brands of the sale. The code and brands included are on the home 
> page. Their payment options are limited to just two cards, fwiw. 
>
>
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/ird-seatpost-wayback-2418?category=987#attr=539,4002,3304
>
>
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Re: [RBW] 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[maxcr]

I’m still trying to dial in my Gallop (maybe I won’t sell it after all) and 
I wanted to try the IRD wayback seatpost but the 26.8 in silver is sold out 
at Riv, does anyone know if the one Somafab sells the same? ie the “fixed” 
version?

The other question I had which is related to the setback issue above is 
that my best fitting bike is my 58 hunqapillar, which has a 72 seat tube 
angle. I use a 80.5 saddle height and have a similar setup on the Gallop, 
however there I feel that I’m too far forward. Now, the Gallop has a 71.5 
seat tube angle; shouldn’t that give me more distance, not less? By 
distance I mean the horizontal distance from the saddle to the bottom 
bracket, which ultimately will determine my leg position as I pedal.

Thanks
Max
On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 11:51:15 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Well, that’s hopeful!
>
> I got mine today, too. I have it installed and I slammed it as far as it 
> will go and it will just barely work for me. I sized up in my Platypus 
> frame so I have very little seatpost showing. This seat post cannot be 
> slammed all the way because it widens at the top. But I think this will 
> work and be a good thing. I dread moving my saddle around and tipping it 
> this way or that. But I hope to get it perfect in the next few days and 
> then I’ll give it a review.
> L
>
> On Jun 2, 2023, at 11:37 PM, st nick  wrote:
>
> I heard back from my friend  Jim who received and mounted the revised IRC 
> seatpost.
>
>
> Here's what he said:
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>
>
> "Received it 2 days ago. Long ride yesterday and it is a game changer! No 
> slippage….my Roadini is now dialed in. Can’t wait to ride it again."
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[RBW] Re: FS: 61.5 Swoopy Proto Gallop in silver, with canti studs

[maxcr]

Hi Drew,

Where do you live? If you're nearby (I'm in Somerville, MA), you're more 
than welcome to ride mine.

As far as clearances go, the swoopy top tube makes it easy to straddle 
larger frames. For context, I'm 5'11" with long legs and Will thought the 
61.5 would be ideal for me - the photo above by the water shows the bike 
with my 80.5cm saddle height.. 

I imagine for a PBH of 835, they would put you on a smaller frame than 
61.5. If you were to go with the bigger frame you need to figure out a 
couple of things: 

1) Saddle height: can you push the seat post low enough? If so, are you ok 
with the way it looks?
2) Reach: this can be corrected with sweptback bars or shorter stems but 
you probably won't be able to run drops on a larger frame.

Not sure if this helps, but feel free to ask any other questions.

Max
On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 11:32:43 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> @max and @Jason,
>
> I'm interested in these bike as a 5'11 person with an 835mm PBH. I'd 
> imagine the 61.5 would be too big but I'd love to know what the clearances 
> are like on your bikes! 
>
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 1:35:37 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> GLWS max!  I might have to be the second person to list a silver canti 
>> Gallop for sale in this list (but for shorter folks) as I'm once again just 
>> finding the bike storage situation to be too jam-packed here and there's a 
>> lot of redundancy between the CHG and the Sam. 
>>
>> Great bike for those considering, nothing quite like it - long and comfy 
>> but also has a sporty flex to it.  Would make an amazing randonneur bike. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, 7 June 2023 at 05:42:07 UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Johnny. The Charlie may well be my first Rivendell  (if a 
>>> Platypus doesn't drop into my lap first). 
>>>
>>> I'm beginning to outgrow my '90s  650b converted race bike and have my 
>>> sight set on a roadish Riv. Preferably a swoopy one,  just because.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 8:15:15 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe they are scheduled for next year. The changes from the 
>>>> prototype that I know of are side pull instead of canti brakes and a less 
>>>> swoopy top tube. It still swoops but not as much. They are now being 
>>>> designed around albastache bars so I don't know if there were any geometry 
>>>> changes because of that. Most likely nothing to any major degree.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 9:42:49 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wondering if anyone knows the status of the Gallop? I  really like 
>>>>> what I've been seeing on this thread but have been unable to track down 
>>>>> any 
>>>>> mention of when they might be expected.  
>>>>> I'm smitten by the Charlie's lines - that curvaceous top tube that's 
>>>>> not quite low enough to call a "step through" and the ample stack at the 
>>>>> front end.  Cantis or side pulls, either one is wold be okay with me. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 3:23:58 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> *FS: 61.5 Swoopy Proto Gallop in silver with canti studs *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is your chance to own one of the few prototype Charlie Gallop 
>>>>>> bikes with canti/v-brake studs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Gallop is a speedy road bike with a long wheelbase that takes 
>>>>>> wide tires with fenders - the dream road setup. The upcoming 2024 
>>>>>> production ones won’t have a canti / v-brake option, so if you want ‘em 
>>>>>> buy 
>>>>>> this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It’s a great riding, stable and super comfy bike that I have a 
>>>>>> feeling I will regret selling. From Will’s update: “Grant has been 
>>>>>> riding 
>>>>>> it and says if it gets any zippier, it'll be a liability issue.” - I 
>>>>>> don't 
>>>>>> think it needs any more endorsements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some additional notes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My pbh is around 90, I'm 5'11" with long legs. The low top tube means 
>>>>>> you can probably upsize and use sweptback bars if the frame is bigger 
>>>>>> than 
>>>>>> your usual size. There's a wide spectrum of pbh's that can fit this bike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The frame

[RBW] Re: Rivendells of Nutmeg

[maxcr]

Thanks Drew! The Hunq is a keeper. I'm not a skilled rider yet was able to 
navigate some pretty gnarly parts of the ride with confidence on my 2.1 
thunderburts
I imagine the longer Gus' and Susies' are even more stable and cushier but 
I wouldn't change my hunq for one of them.
Max

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:04:25 PM UTC-6 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good looking Bikes Everyone! 
>
> @eric You rode that sweet Bridgestone? Still got the S. Hillborne too? 
>
> Max's Hunq is my favorite, can't beat that middle tube. 
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 1:24:12 PM UTC-4 lyon...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> There was also a Custom at Weigle's, but I didn't see who was riding it 
>> (nor did I take a photo). Nice to meet you all out there!!
>>
>> Adam
>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[maxcr]

Doug, 
The shiftmate is needed for the Campagnolo Record Brifters, I ran a similar 
setup in my AHH (it came like that when I bought it) and it worked well. If 
I didn't have too many bikes already, I'd be all over it.
Max

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 2:50:06 PM UTC-4 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> This Saluki seems pretty sweet, only weirdness is Campy Ergopower and 
> Shimano derailleurs matched up with a Shift Mate...
>
> Doug
>
> On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 7:56 PM Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
>> == 
>>
>>
>> SALUKI
>>
>> 62cm
>>
>> 1550
>>
>> Hercules, CA
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/hercules-rivendell-saluki-650b-62cm/7615055602.html
>>
>>
>> == 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil - first ride and work in progress (some photos)

[maxcr]

Thanks Matthew; the paint is really something! 

It’s a 60 - take a look at the initial confusion I had before getting it - 
here’s the 
thread: 
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/jK5Le9uiJ3E/m/mkygvvKuAAAJ

It’s a 700 wheel size and I think 2.1” would be comfortable and 2.3” or 
more would be ambitious, particularly with knobs.

Following the Radavist’s bomba build, I had originally ordered MARS 2.3” 
from ultradynamico but I got the wrong size (650) before getting the bike… 
I returned them but still wonder how that would handle/look like, so I 
might reorder at some point - what tires you would you use?

I’m lucky that I have a 58 Hunqapillar with 2.1” thunderburts and no 
fenders as my hillibike, so I’m not in a hurry to make the change on the 
Bombadil right now.

The seller said he got it from Riv in 2016, based on the serial, I think it 
was made in ‘09 which seems in line with the timeline of when they were 
being sold.

I’ll keep you in mind if I decide to swap the bullmoose bars although it 
seems silly to have these huge heavy bars shipped from Riv to the east 
coast to have them shipped back to CA.

Cheers!
Max
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 12:16:23 AM UTC-4 Matthew P wrote:

> Hey there Max!
>
> I love your blue Bombadil. It'd be a dream to score one at a reasonable 
> price. I love that paint!
> What is the frame size and wheel size?
> I like fenders but I like even more maxing out my tire width. How wide can 
> you go? You think about trying that?
> Any idea on the year of the bike and where it was made?
> Let me know if you want to sell the bullmoose bars  ;-)
>
> Thanks for sharing and happy Bombadil'in!
>
> -Matthew P in San Diego
>
> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the report and photos, Max. Beautiful build on a rare beast. 
>> It looks like so much fun. Enjoy!
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2023, at 12:11 PM, maxcr  wrote:
>>
>> The weather is turning and I finally "finished" my Bombadil build. It's 
>> not quite finished because I'm not 100% sure I'll keep the Bullmoose 
>> handlebars - they are very stiff which is great, but the angle isn't ideal 
>> for my wrists, we'll see but I think the Jones bar is more comfortable for 
>> me. I might also explore a super wide drop from Crust called the Nullabar. 
>> I'm also curious about some drivetrain changes, more on that in a future 
>> thread.
>>
>> I acquired the bike in January from a fellow in California who didn't 
>> seem to be riding it much. This is how it came:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I've started feeling more comfortable wrenching on my bikes (thanks Jason 
>> for the encouragement!) and did all of the work myself - ordering some 
>> parts from Riv, BlueLug and Crust. You've seen some pics over the last 
>> couple of months, but I want to officially introduce it in its new 
>> iteration. 
>>
>> Yesterday I went out on a mixed terrain ride, first some pavement before 
>> arriving to the Middlesex Fells, a reservation with lots of trails and bike 
>> friendly gravel - I started following this route from UrbanDirt 
>> <https://www.urbandirt.org/routes/you-lost-me> (pretty cool site with 
>> hubs in a few cities) but didn't finish it because i had to get back home. 
>> They have some really cool Ride-with-GPS routes you can follow, highly 
>> recommended.
>>
>> 
>>
>> After getting to the entrance of the Fells, I started thinking that 
>> perhaps this wasn't ideal for my slick tires and fenders. Many of the 
>> trails had big rocks and require you to dismount and walk (see below) but I 
>> guess that's part of the fun so I kept going.
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> I walked up the slope and then started riding a winding gravel path with 
>> some smaller rocks. There were some wet / muddy patches but overall it was 
>> all very enjoyable and the bike handled great.
>>
>> <4EEC3310-9B05-419E-9A9D-3B2F0A9E8D1D.jpeg>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> I think the cockpit is ideal for this type of riding, which leaves me 
>> wishing the wrist position would be an issue. I'll give it more miles 
>> before deciding what to do.
>>
>> I had to lower the bar quite a bit from my initial position because I 
>> wanted to use my Rod Steward (Pec Deck v2) and if I had the bars higher up, 
>> it just wouldn't reach. I'll take it off and try with the bars higher. It's 
>> also very close to the Paul canti arms, so maybe not the best fit for this 
>> build.
>>
>> 
>>
>> When I stopped following the route and started following my GPS to get 
>> home, I ended up going through some 

[RBW] Re: 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling

[maxcr]

Awesome! Based on J's post and the fact that you're going for the ATB 
route, I think I'm going to switch and do that with my Hunqa (I will need 
to reinstall my rear rack so I can bring a saddlebag on it)

Glad to hear that gorgeous black Sam is still bringing you joy - I love 
that color scheme and you can't beat a Sam...

Max

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:37:01 AM UTC-6 charlie...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Max,
>
> I'm planning on making the trip down from Portsmouth, NH and will attempt 
> the ATB route. 
>
> Not sure if you remember, but I'm the guy who bought your Sam Hillborne 
> back in February 2020. Still got it and it's still awesome!
>
>
> Charlie 
>
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Who's going to the 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling in May?
>>
>> I've never done it but this might be the year! It seems like I might 
>> actually be able to make the drive up from Boston.
>>
>> Debating which route to choose: ATB route with the fenderless Hunqa on 
>> 2.1" tubeless Thunderburts or Rando route with the newly appointed Bombadil 
>> on 2" Schwalbe Marathons and fenders?
>>
>> Details here: 
>> https://ronsbikesblog.com/2023/04/11/2023-nutmeg-country-spring-fling-info-and-reg/
>>
>> Let me know if you're planning to go, I'd love to meet some folks from 
>> the group in person.
>>
>> Max 
>>
>

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[RBW] 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling

[maxcr]

Who's going to the 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling in May?

I've never done it but this might be the year! It seems like I might 
actually be able to make the drive up from Boston.

Debating which route to choose: ATB route with the fenderless Hunqa on 2.1" 
tubeless Thunderburts or Rando route with the newly appointed Bombadil on 
2" Schwalbe Marathons and fenders?

Details 
here: 
https://ronsbikesblog.com/2023/04/11/2023-nutmeg-country-spring-fling-info-and-reg/

Let me know if you're planning to go, I'd love to meet some folks from the 
group in person.

Max 

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[RBW] Re: WTB / 27.2 nice quality seatpost in BLACK

[maxcr]

Hi Brian,
Not quite black, but super cool - 
https://www.sim.works/products/froggy-seatpost?variant=36497226662054 at 
$70 discounted Outlet Collection might be what you're looking for.
Max

On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 7:07:37 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Working on some upgrades for my cargo bike and need a nice quality, 
> 2-bolt, 27.2 seatpost in BLACK in case anyone has something along these 
> lines that they would part with.
>
> Looking particularly for something like a Thomson (regular setback - NOT 
> the straight post variety), a Paul, a Nitto frog, or some other seatpost of 
> comparable high quality.
>
> I'm located in KY, and prefer to pay via Venmo for bike stuff. Thanks in 
> advance!
>
> Brian
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Large Rosco Baby in the next 12 months

[maxcr]

Thanks Bones, that's an awesome photo, love it! I have no idea how you 
manage to mount the bike, I'm very flexible but I don't know how I'd do it.
 
We hope to have another one down the line (first one has to get here 
first!) but at that point maybe we could transition the older one to a 
trailer? I agree with Michael, step-thru capability would make for a much 
easier/safer mounting routine for me. 

Max

On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 6:55:45 AM UTC-6 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

>
> i will say any bike with a top tube as opposed to a swooping tube is not 
> something i’d recommend for a child carrier (if back seat is the eventual 
> considerat) the ability to mount goes down severely when there’s a live 
> being back there. unless you’re doing yoga and stretching regularly i’m 
> just about sick of using my yepp in the back. i know you’re asking about 
> the front but just piggy backing off the above statement 
> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 8:06:56 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> Congratulations! How many humans do you ultimately see yourself toting 
>> around? If only one, the Rosco Baby is great (if you can find one). I asked 
>> myself the same question, and when I decided I was going to add >1 humans, 
>> I bought an Appaloosa. I'm quite glad I did. Keep in mind that the reach is 
>> not the only factor. In my experience, simply raising the child seat on the 
>> stem is more effective at avoiding knee strike. Consider a low or negative 
>> rise handlebar and the extra exposed stem length is plenty to keep your 
>> knees free of the seat. This frame begs to be loaded, front and/or rear. So 
>> from this point of view, unless you'd really like step-thru functionality, 
>> it doesn't really matter which bike you choose as long as it is somewhat 
>> stout and it fits you. Once my kids outgrew the weight limits on the seats 
>> and our third roommate arrived I said "screw it I'm getting a cargo bike."
>>
>> [image: bike.JPG]
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:17:39 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW, I spoke to Will about the Rosco Baby and he told me the new Clem's 
>>> are the closest thing to them. Big difference being that tubes in the Rosco 
>>> Baby are burlier. 
>>>
>>> Joe in Los Angeles
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 4:52:52 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Laing, Slin and Paul!
>>>>
>>>> In 2016 Riv listed the Clem L as follows:
>>>> size 59 has an ETT of 64
>>>> size 65 has an ETT of 67 
>>>> both with STA and HTA of 71.5
>>>>
>>>> Paul, I wonder if yours was a newer version with an even longer 70cm 
>>>> ETT!
>>>>
>>>> I found this diagram for a 52 Rosco Baby, which shows a whopping 72.5 
>>>> ETT! The main difference are the 70.5 HTA and the STA at 68 - I believe 
>>>> the 
>>>> latter is a big part of the expanded top tube. i wonder what's the ETT on 
>>>> the 58 Baby?
>>>>
>>>> The 56 Susie shows an ETT of 68.5 on the website, a bit longer than the 
>>>> diagram I found below but still well below than the Rosco baby. Anyone has 
>>>> experience with a front load on a Susie? Yeah, I'm looking for excuses to 
>>>> buy Ryan's bike ;) My wife has a small Susie and it's a great bike.
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>>> [image: IMG_0033.JPG]
>>>> [image: 56cm susie.png]
>>>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 4:10:12 PM UTC-6 Paul M wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I had a 64cm 2021 lime-olive Clem L and it had a 70cm effective top 
>>>>> tube. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, 10 April 2023 at 14:15:14 UTC-7 Slin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Laing is right that the latest Clem L has a much longer top tube than 
>>>>>> the Clementine, but it's not 4.5 inches longer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Max - Bosco bars are a great for getting more space for you and the 
>>>>>> baby. Sizing up on a Clem for me has worked great to get space for my 
>>>>>> knees 
>>>>>> with the baby up front too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 12:53:24 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a Clementine and a Rosco Baby. BIG, BIG difference. The Rosco 
>>>>>>> Baby Effective Top Tube is about 4-1/2 inches longer that the 
>>>>>>> Clementine. 
>>>>>>> 725mm for the Rosco Baby 52cm, 

[RBW] PSA Analog Super Secret Sale

[maxcr]

FYI The good folks at analog cycles are running their secret sale, tons of 
goodies. A few things I saw that might be of interest here include some 
discounted Nitto racks and mounts as well as some cerakoated bottle cages, 
Bitex hubs, etc.

Check out their instagram bio page for the 
link: https://www.instagram.com/analogcycles/

Max

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[RBW] WTB Large Rosco Baby in the next 12 months

[maxcr]

Hi Everyone,

We've got a little one on the way and I've started thinking about a bike 
for a Thule Yepp mini front seat without knee interference to ride next 
summer!

I have pretty long legs for my 5'11" height - pbh of 90.5 so I always look 
for bikes with short-ish top tubes or use very short stems which in mind 
provide the most comfortable fit for me. I don't think any of my current 
bikes is ideal, the proto Gallop has long chainstays and a swoopy top tube 
for swept back bars so considering geometry, I think it is the closest, but 
I don't think it'll handle the weight in the front very well. The Hunq and 
Bomba can take the weight, but they might leave me feeling scrunched with 
limited space between the saddle and the child seat. Maybe I could get a 
long stem and a set of Boscos and try it out?

Anyway, I've re-read many of the old posts about the Rosco Baby, and even 
though it's hard to find a ton of info on these I decided that ideally I'd 
get a large Rosco Baby. 

Did the Rosco baby come in three sizes S, M, L (58) or was there an XL 
(62-64)?  I've already sent out a few feelers hoping some kiddos are 
outgrowing theirs in the next few months but my ask is that *if anyone is 
considering selling a large Rosco baby, please ping me - I'm open to buying 
the frame or complete anytime between now and next summer.*

In case I don't get the Rosco, I also re-read many threads on Clem vs Susie 
vs Platypus, etc. I discarded the Platy, not sure why but my current 
alternative ideas are: 

1) Buy Ryan's Susie, but I'm not sure it'll handle as well as the baby and 
the swoopy top tube doesn't make of a true step-thru mound/dismount but it 
might work.

2) Get one of those upcoming Clem L's - maybe a 64 to have a longer ETT. 
I'll slam the seat down, like Grant's 64 Clem which was posted on the blug 
a while back.

What do you think? Would you try the Bomba? Is a Susie a good option? Or 
should it really be a Gus to take the extra (up to 33lbs max on the Yepp) 
weight? Or should I just get a Clem and call it a day?

Then again, if the Rosco Baby and the Clem are so similar, why was Grant 
looking for a Rosco baby not long ago, knowing the Clems would be in stock 
in April? The head tube angle and stoutness might not be the same? Am I 
over-optimizing again?

Thanks
Max

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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[maxcr]

I agree that three feels right for me, but which three is the eternal 
question:

Currently:

   - Proto-Gallop 61.5 - set up with Albatross as daily commuter 
   - 2TT Bombadil 60 - set up with Bullmoose and slicks to cover my touring 
   dreams
   - Hunqapillar 58 - set up with Jones bar and 2.1 Thunderburts 
   semi-knobby as my hillibike
   - Rambouillet (orange) 60 - set up with drop bars and JB 33's as my road 
   bike
   - Wilbury 60 - only one with 650bx38 and with Albatross bars - a mixte 
   to future proof any flexibility and mobility challenges in 20 years
   - Atlantis 61 - set up with a Bullbar and 2.1 Thunderburts semi-knobby 
   as a country bike abroad

*Not counting the one abroad, I need to reduce two to get the magic number 
3. Which ones? Probably Wilbury and Gallop would be the first to go, but I 
still want to ride them a bit more now that the weather is better before 
making a decision.

Then again, 5 or 7 or 9 also feels right no?

Max
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:32:12 PM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:

> I've already gotten rid of a couple and still need to drop one...
> I think 3 is the magic number
> Currently:
> 2009 Hillborne, canti 56cm (Original Green , recently painted Harvest 
> Gold) - 700x43
> 2017 Appaloosa 55cm (Silver) - 29x2.1
> 2019 Cheviot 60cm (metallic Blue) - 700x50
> 2004 Romulus, canti 59cm (Blue) - 700x35
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 7:07:47 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> My recollection of the article is that Grant arrived at 9 being the 
>> sensible number.  One of the nine on Grant's list was a "project bike", and 
>> there was at least one single speed.  The "project bike" slot struck me as 
>> the GP version of "N+1" because whenever you finish the project then the 
>> "project bike" slot is (by definition) empty, and sufficient grounds to 
>> start a new project.  I've got a dialed in stable of 18 with two more on 
>> order and a third likely to be ordered.  When I hit 21 I'm going to have to 
>> do something about my storage situation.  Even with four addresses, it's 
>> getting cozy.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:45:16 AM UTC-7 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs 
>>> with justification. I think it was 7.
>>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Tom Palmer
>>> Twin Lake, MI
>>>
>>

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[RBW] PSA. Gringineer Cycles vintage parts site

[maxcr]

I fell down the Suntour rabbit hole and stumbled into this site - thought 
you'd enjoy it: https://www.gringineer.com/

I haven't bought anything, but they have some nice things including NOS 
Suntour parts, etc and free shipping.

Seems legit and I saw the owner Joel has an LBS in Minnesota and an 
appreciation for vintage bikes and parts. I emailed him looking for a 
silver 1" Suntour brake hanger and he was very responsive

Anyone from the area know them?

Max

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil - first ride and work in progress (some photos)

[maxcr]

That's a great idea, that's what I have on the Jones bar... I'll swap 'em 
out and try that. Thanks John!

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 12:37:59 PM UTC-4 John Johnson wrote:

> Hello Max!
>
> Nice Bombadil and great photos. 
>
> For the bullmoose, I find that ergo grips (ergon or anything with a paddle 
> under your palms) help with the position. Maybe worth a try?
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 6:11:20 PM UTC+2 maxcr wrote:
>
>> The weather is turning and I finally "finished" my Bombadil build. It's 
>> not quite finished because I'm not 100% sure I'll keep the Bullmoose 
>> handlebars - they are very stiff which is great, but the angle isn't ideal 
>> for my wrists, we'll see but I think the Jones bar is more comfortable for 
>> me. I might also explore a super wide drop from Crust called the Nullabar. 
>> I'm also curious about some drivetrain changes, more on that in a future 
>> thread.
>>
>> I acquired the bike in January from a fellow in California who didn't 
>> seem to be riding it much. This is how it came:
>>
>> [image: bomba2.jpg]
>>
>> I've started feeling more comfortable wrenching on my bikes (thanks Jason 
>> for the encouragement!) and did all of the work myself - ordering some 
>> parts from Riv, BlueLug and Crust. You've seen some pics over the last 
>> couple of months, but I want to officially introduce it in its new 
>> iteration. 
>>
>> Yesterday I went out on a mixed terrain ride, first some pavement before 
>> arriving to the Middlesex Fells, a reservation with lots of trails and bike 
>> friendly gravel - I started following this route from UrbanDirt 
>> <https://www.urbandirt.org/routes/you-lost-me> (pretty cool site with 
>> hubs in a few cities) but didn't finish it because i had to get back home. 
>> They have some really cool Ride-with-GPS routes you can follow, highly 
>> recommended.
>>
>> [image: IMG_9934.jpeg]
>>
>> After getting to the entrance of the Fells, I started thinking that 
>> perhaps this wasn't ideal for my slick tires and fenders. Many of the 
>> trails had big rocks and require you to dismount and walk (see below) but I 
>> guess that's part of the fun so I kept going.
>>
>> [image: IMG_9918.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_9923.jpeg]
>>
>> I walked up the slope and then started riding a winding gravel path with 
>> some smaller rocks. There were some wet / muddy patches but overall it was 
>> all very enjoyable and the bike handled great.
>>
>> [image: 4EEC3310-9B05-419E-9A9D-3B2F0A9E8D1D.jpeg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_9930.jpeg]
>>
>> I think the cockpit is ideal for this type of riding, which leaves me 
>> wishing the wrist position would be an issue. I'll give it more miles 
>> before deciding what to do.
>>
>> I had to lower the bar quite a bit from my initial position because I 
>> wanted to use my Rod Steward (Pec Deck v2) and if I had the bars higher up, 
>> it just wouldn't reach. I'll take it off and try with the bars higher. It's 
>> also very close to the Paul canti arms, so maybe not the best fit for this 
>> build.
>>
>> [image: IMG_9935.jpeg]
>>
>> When I stopped following the route and started following my GPS to get 
>> home, I ended up going through some areas that weren't very bike friendly - 
>> after the photo below. I had to carry the bike up a slope and ended up in a 
>> place with huge rocks. Once I crossed I rode a bit more and hit the main 
>> road which brought me back home.
>>
>> [image: IMG_9941.jpeg]
>>
>> All in all, the bike was amazing throughout the 13.5 mile ride. I feel 
>> incredibly lucky to have found this rare 2TT on my size! Can't wait to go 
>> out again.
>>
>> Max near Boston.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA FS: Original Riv Mountain

[maxcr]

Forgot to add, original owner Ted Durant said his PBH is 82cm, so 
thankfully too small for me ;)

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 5:30:41 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> In case you missed it, up for sale a Riv mountain! 
> https://groups.google.com/u/5/g/internet-bob/c/BxuVNhY1vfM

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[RBW] PSA FS: Original Riv Mountain

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In case you missed it, up for sale a Riv mountain! 
https://groups.google.com/u/5/g/internet-bob/c/BxuVNhY1vfM

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[maxcr]

PSA 64 Clem L: https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3583716/


On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 10:46:50 PM UTC-4 Drew Henson wrote:

> Yep - I totally get what y'all are saying and I'm not sure why I posted 
> here versus a separate thread. I was laid up with a head cold today and I 
> blame the medicine.
>
> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:20:37 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I don't think anybody minds a self-post here, but I agree if you're 
>> selling a Riv you might as well create your own listing so more Rivsters 
>> will see it. I tend to lose track of what's in this thread. 
>>
>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 4:12:36 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know if there is a rule against this, but why not just create a 
>>> new FS post for your AHH?  I could have sworn there was a message against 
>>> selling non-Rivs, but I am not certain on that atm.  
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Matt in Oswego, IL
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:46:18 PM UTC-5 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>
 Is it cool to shamelessly include our own craigslist listings? Selling 
 my MIT AHH in Seattle from the 2019 run (I replaced it with a sam). Would 
 prefer to keep it local. I I'm also selling a Crust Romanceur frame size M 
 if anyone is in the market which I could ship. Love the bike, just too 
 small. 


 https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-homer-hilsen-58cm/7600316685.html


 On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 5:57:37 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> [image: 01616_bnemBujwvCA_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
> Nice Saluki. Here's a picture for reference after the post is deleted. 
> On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 6:29:28 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> NOS Saluki on Eugene OR Craiglist. Looks beautiful. 
>>
>> $2500
>>
>>
>> https://eugene.craigslist.org/bik/d/eugene-nos-58cm-rivendell-saluki-650b/7600024758.html
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 2:41 AM Russell Duncan  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not that it’s too difficult to scroll to the bottom of the for sale 
>>> posting list, how about the next person to post here does so under a 
>>> new 
>>> heading such as:Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Late Winter 
>>> edition, 2023, or whatever is to your liking
>>>
>>> Russell Duncan
>>> Connecticut River Valley, MA USA
>>> On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 1:34:56 AM UTC-5 Nick in Sac wrote:
>>>
 For sale is my former Roadini. Bought it and it turned out to be 
 too big for me, looks like it is being sold by the guy who purchased 
 it 
 from me.


 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/584646726892255/?ref=browse_tab_code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks

 On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-7 
 mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:

> Clem Smith JR
> 52cm
> 1,200
> SF,CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7592901709.html
> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-8 
> eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: 331260312_5892573310828901_6836777437665179310_n.jpg]
>>
>> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS
>> 62cm
>> $1,200
>> Vienna, VA
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/953093402735635/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post
>>
>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>>>
>>> Paging brendonoid! 
>>>
>>> Rivendell custom cyclocross
>>> 58cm
>>> $2,800 USD / $4,000 AUD (plus shipping) 
>>> Melbourne, Australia 
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/334623181381
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 12:15:57 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The Platypus above is sold. It is in my garage now.
 Tom

 On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 2:12:57 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard 
 wrote:

> 62cm double-tube Appaloosa in SF Bay. This is either 
> underpriced or the Riv market is finally having a reality check. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7586412968.html
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 6:30:07 AM UTC-7 
> eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Rivendell Touring
>> No size listed
>> $3,000 
>> Lexington, KY 
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/399785835688755/?hoisted=false=search_code=null_story_type=post
>>
>> [image: 

Re: [RBW] WTB - John’s Strap

[maxcr]

If you want the fancy 
stuff: https://austeremanufacturing.com/collections/all-products these are 
gorgeous but I agree that voile straps get the job done
Max

On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 11:33:22 AM UTC-4 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> +whatever for Voile straps. The itty bitty ones are great for attaching 
> bags to bars and saddles, and the long ones are great for just about 
> anything.
> On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 5:50:32 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>
>> John's straps are the same as the classic Arno straps. If you don't need 
>> the rainbow version, you can get them in black for cheap by the pair at 
>> scamazon or wherever. I used to be able to get them at my Ace Hardware. 
>>
>> https://www.coghlans.com/arno-straps-24-7-2-pack-8424
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:05:51 AM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:
>>
>>> I use Rok Straps a lot on my cargo bike to secure loads. They stretch 
>>> nicely and cinch down securely. I’ve never had one slip. They come in a 
>>> variety of sizes and are relatively cheap. You can get them with reflective 
>>> thread which is nice at night.
>>>
>>> I believe they were developed for motorcycle use so perfect on a bicycle 
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> [image: 
>>> 61eyLz1m9EL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFIVE,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA1%2C263,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
>>>
>>> ROK Straps ROK-10358 Black/Reflective 12" - 42" Pack Adjustable Stretch 
>>> Strap 
>>> 
>>> amazon.com 
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 20, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Keith P.  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey gang,
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m fed up with not having a few good straps around for maintenance and 
>>> securing cargo.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any John’s straps in irish or watermelon to spare?
>>>
>>> I would love to purchase a couple if they are out there. 
>>>
>>> Also, if anyone has other strap recommendations or favorite solutions, I 
>>> would love to hear your thoughts.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> K.
>>>
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[RBW] PSA Sale on Shimano Deore M591 9-Speed Rear Derailleur

[maxcr]

With all the news about Shimano discontinuing lines and what not, I thought 
it might be wise to stash a couple of things just in case, but I didn't 
want to spend a lot...

I found the Shimano Deore M591 9-Speed Rear Derailleur on sale at REI for 
$38.93, that's not bad for good performing RD, it's not silver, but at that 
price I'll take it.

https://www.rei.com/product/798943/shimano-deore-m591-9-speed-rear-derailleur

Hope this is helpful
Max

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[RBW] WTT: Nitto Noodle for your Spank Flare 25 Degree bars

[maxcr]

I'm looking to explore some flared dropbar action on one of my builds - as 
the title says, I what to trade my Noodle for your Spank Flare 25 Degree 
bar, ideally in 50 or 52cm width.  

My Nitto Noodle is a 46, it's in great condition and I'll throw in a set of 
basic Shimano brake levers (Tiagra) to make up for the price dif.

Thanks!

Max in Boston.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b or 700 Bombadil frame question

[maxcr]

I found this Path Less Pedaled video useful when I installed the Paul 
Touring Cantis on my Atlantis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDdWIq4cLLo

Thanks everyone for your responses and particularly to  Laing for that 
masterclass on how to set up cantis!

Max who's still rethinking handlebar and drivetrain choices for the 
upcoming Bombadil

On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:13:39 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Remember that flat at the straddle and 90 deg at the arms fight each other 
> - it is always a compromise.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 8:41:13 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Laing: Thanks for this detailed and informing overview; I have read it 
>> through and will read it again slowly, but I think I get it: 90* to brake 
>> arm pivots + as flat as possible at straddle, as little toe-in as you can 
>> get by with to prevent squeal, and make sure that the pads meet the rim 
>> brake tracks squarely. I've already done the last 2, must go back and look 
>> at the first 2. The single rear rack strut to seatstay bridge may limit my 
>> options in the rear. My pads are old Kool Stop salmons, the short, blocky 
>> sort. I did make various shim tools for toe in, must seek those out again.
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 3:52 PM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> Geometry is all important with cantilevers. I will use Paul models for 
>>> reference. Note that at a certain level, V-brakes are just optimized 
>>> cantilevers, so much so that they have too much braking force that must be 
>>> reduced at the levers. If maximizing braking force is the be-all, end all 
>>> of braking, then why use levers that reduce the braking force? But there is 
>>> something to be said for V-brakes having less tension (and therefore 
>>> stretch) on the brake cable.
>>>
>>> 1. You want the straddle cable operating at, or as close as possible to 
>>> a 90 degree angle to a line drawn from the brake arm pivot axis (the post 
>>> brazed/welded to the frame) to the straddle cable connection to the arm. 
>>> This is much easier on a Paul Touring than a Paul Neo-Retro. Motolites are 
>>> basically taking the progression to it's conclusion (Neo-Retro -> Touring 
>>> -> Motolite). Note that when working with Neo-Retros, this generally means 
>>> rotating the arms as far towards the rim as possible, using the fewest, 
>>> narrowest spacers between the pad and arm as possible (and that is allowed 
>>> by your tires). This is where some "experts" get it all wrong, they seem to 
>>> think that the rotation of the arm changes the direct of travel of the pad 
>>> at the rim - i.e. the arm carrying the pad should be straight up, which is 
>>> untrue. The direction of travel of the pad at the rim is fixed by where the 
>>> relative location of the pivot is to the rim-pad interface - only a welder 
>>> can be used to adjust this. The pivot is below and outside the rim -> the 
>>> pad will ALWAYS be traveling in a downward arc relative to the rim. Note 
>>> that because V-brakes use the same pivots as cantilevers, the cheapest POS 
>>> cantilevers that you can find vs. Paul Motolites - on a given bike, the 
>>> pads are traveling in exactly the same arc, this is a function of the frame 
>>> and wheel, not the brakes nor the brake adjustment.
>>>
>>> 2. Ideally, you want the straddle cable as close to straight as possible 
>>> where it goes through straddle cable carrier -> the straddle cable as short 
>>> as possible. This is a very unappreciated part of the equation. When you 
>>> apply a perpendicular pressure at the center of a straight cable, you would 
>>> actually get an infinite tension in the cable if it did not stretch. This a 
>>> very handy thing to use in many instances - you can move a car with only a 
>>> rope and this principal. The cosine of 90 degrees is 0. When you divide by 
>>> 0, you get infinity. If you want to prove this to yourself - make a 
>>> straddle cable between the ends of a V-brake and use a straddle cable 
>>> hanger connected to the brake cable cantilever/centerpull style.
>>>
>>> 3. There is an interaction between 1 and 2 - as you make the straddle 
>>> cable straighter (#2), you lose the 90 degree angle (#1). On top of that as 
>>> the cables, straddle hanger, and brake arms move, and the cables stretch; 
>>> the geometry changes. With Neo-Retros, getting the arm as close to the rim 
>>> as possible also raises the straddle cable arm interface up, getting the 
>>> arm-cable angle closer to 90 degrees. Note that means having your wheels 
>>> extremely true and minimizing the pad gap and toe-in. As the brake arm 
>>> rotates under application of the brake, this angle improves - gets closer 
>>> to 90 degrees again. As the straddle hanger rises under brake application, 
>>> this also gets the brake arm - straddle cable angle closer to 90 degrees 
>>> and increasing your braking force. But as all of this is going on, the 
>>> straddle cable at the straddle hanger is getting less straight, 

[RBW] Re: 650b or 700 Bombadil frame question

[maxcr]

Something else I have now started to realize is that cantilevers are more 
likely to rub against a handlebar bag. Are V-Brakes preferred for this 
reason?

Laing, what stem are you using with the towel racks on the bombadil? Also, 
how wide did you go?

I'm reconsidering my Riv Bullmoose choice and wondering whether towel racks 
(660) or a spank flare 25 bar is a better way to go. 

I plan on running a BXB goldback bag in the front

Thoughts?

Max

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:47:11 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> I use only cantilevers and basically will always ! Good ol' smooth post 
> cantilevers that clear the frame as opened and open all the way. No silly 
> overly long and offset pads that add nothing to the braking performance. I 
> take a certain delight(albeit comical and always good for a laugh in just 
> thinking it), in denigrating v-brakes and certain cantilever designs, 
> including making/selling/defending frames without rear cable stop bridges. 
> Call it what you will, as so have I. ((( laughing )))  Nevertheless, it 
> stands. I could also speak about how "the industry" is their own worst 
> enemy, in fact, their only enemy and the customer but a witness. 
>
> I remember not long ago before the Clem Riv couldn't give a v-brake away. 
> Then with disc brakes becoming the thing, and dwindling proper canti 
> manufacture and design , it didn't leave them much choice as the frame was 
> a sales hit. It's like drinking a brand of beer you really don't like, but 
> because the wife loves it, and you love the wife's company, you swallow 
> your taste buds,one   bitter   chugatatime.   "Ain't this 
> beer great ?   said with crooked broken smile and whose eyes betold another 
> story. 
>
> What's life without a couple of good ol' stories ?   teeheehee . 
>
>
>
> So sure Max, Anything but a cantilever on your Bombadil would leave you 
> without any brake at all :-) 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: 58cm quickbeam

[maxcr]

Jason, did you see this 
SimpleOne? https://groups.google.com/u/5/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/x1K4Hw3zUj4
Max

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 2:52:23 PM UTC-5 jasonz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> please DM me if youre holding and open to sell Ideally frame/fork or 
> f/f+headset/bb
> thank you 
>
> Jason in Nebraska
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Simple One 58 cm, F,F,HS,BB. Dark Green

[maxcr]

Awesome bike and great price too. I owned a 62 SimpleOne for a bit and it 
was super fun, a light and bombproof setup if you don’t have too many crazy 
hills around. Mine took wide tires with fenders and a rack!

Good luck with the sale

Max
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 10:03:18 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:

> FWIW as an owner of a green qb, i think thats a fair-ish price.  will be 
> sad to see a local nyc QB leave the but hope it goes to a good home
>
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:30:14 PM UTC-5 alan lavine wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>> I bought this from a list member but somehow it never gelled for me, in 
>> addition it was somewhat redundant with other bikes and I need room for 
>> incoming.
>>
>> Serial # M1011158. I will send fotos once I've cleaned it up a bit but it 
>> has the usual nicks and scratches from use but no dings or dents. HS and BB 
>> (108 mm) are in good shape. It's dark green and cream accents.
>>
>> About pricing: not too many sales of these , so hard to find the market 
>> value. I guess people are keeping them.How about $850? If this is not 
>> right, please let me know.
>>
>> Also, local sale/pickup preferred VERY strongly, a lot on my plate right 
>> now. I'll give a $50 discount and throw in handlebars from my vast 
>> collection, haha! Tell me what you like/need. Located on the UWS Manhattan.
>>
>> Best,
>> Alan
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[maxcr]

I've been using  a Saris Freedom 2 EX 2-Bike Hitch Rack which has worked 
out great for my large fendered Riv bikes - I don't see why it wouldn't 
work for a Betty.
Also, it's MUSA  which is a plus.
Max

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:42:35 PM UTC-5 ericf3 wrote:

> I have had a 2 bike Swagman for several years, and even used it to take 
> bikes from Vancouver to Ottawa on one occasion. Worked like a charm. And it 
> easily takes different sizes - I have used it for a pair of my bikes (64cm) 
> or one of mine, one of my wife's (52cm or so for her)
>
> The only issues I have are, one it's heavy to carry around, getting on and 
> off the car. And two, with bikes in place, it blocks the licence plate, 
> which will occasionally get you a ticket. (On a newer Forester.)
>
> EricF
> Vancouver
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[maxcr]

The proto-appa lives!

https://bikepacking.com/news/readers-rig-tims-rivendell-protovelo/

Really cool to see all the different versions of an awesome and versatile 
bike! Very nice Tim.

Max

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 7:53:58 PM UTC-4 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:

> Michelle! What an exciting dilemma you're in! 
>
> That's me Kurt is talking about! I didn't even occur to me that I might 
> have something to add to this post until Kurt added his two cents. I bought 
> his Proto-appaloosa this spring and I've been loving it. I haven't ever 
> ridden a Hunqapillar, but if anyone in Portland has a 62cm I'd love to take 
> it for a spin! The bike I own is basically Appaloosa geometry with a 
> Hunqapillar fork and diagatube. So far, I've mostly been commuting on it 
> with a few mini-tours on mixed road/gravel here in Oregon. Its VERY 
> comfortable. I was able to ride some rough gravel roads and you can just 
> fly on descents. It feels like you're floating through all the bumps. You 
> will notice that it takes a little extra leaning for tight corners. I have 
> dreams of riding more singletrack, but I know the vast majority of my 
> riding will be on the road or fire roads. Overall, I'd definitely recommend 
> the Appaloosa if you're looking for an all-arounder (tour, gravel, commute, 
> etc.). Here's a picture of the ride Kurt was referring to that I did with 
> my son: https://www.instagram.com/p/BXLg4k-BB32/?taken-by=hunqaloosa So 
> fun! 
>
> The long chain stays tend to draw attention of others, so you'll likely 
> get some comments and need to explain things for people. But the bike will 
> stand out for lots of other reasons too. :) 
>
> Cheers,
> Tim O.
> Portland, OR
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:09:02 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>>
>> I own a Hunq and had an Appaloosa based Proto-Riv and for me the Hunq was 
>> the right bike. But I loved the Appa a lot. 
>> I wanted to be able to ride rougher single track with tight turns and was 
>> willing to give up the extra smoothness and stability on the longer bike 
>> for more agility so I went with the shorter Hunq. 
>> I sold my Proto to a fellow lister and he puts his kid on the back and 
>> loads the front with his camping gear and rides around Oregon like that. I 
>> think it's the perfect bike for what he's doing. The longer bike was by far 
>> the most stable, comfortable bike I have ever ridden but that did make it a 
>> bit harder to maneuver through rough stuff off road. I still did it but a 
>> shorter bike is easier. 
>> If it were me I'd figure out what type of riding I'd be doing most and 
>> base my decision on that. If you're doing rides that are mostly pavement or 
>> fire roads the Appaloosa is probably they way to go. If you're routinely 
>> hitting rougher singletrack the the Hunq might be your bike. The Appa will 
>> ride smoother. 
>>
>> The Hunq is no mountain bike though, it's fairly capable but I might buy 
>> the Appa and spend the money I saved on a Karate Monkey or similar for 
>> trail shredding
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 10:56:36 AM UTC-7, Michele wrote:
>>>
>>> Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love 
>>> some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive 
>>> and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each frame shine? 
>>> What would make you choose one over the other?
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Proper(?) fitting of a Bosco or similar handlebar & Nitto V5 stem

[maxcr]

FWIW I run Discord fingerling on my Hunqa with a 710 Jones Bar (it is 31.8) 
- this is no Bosco but the setup feels solid. To be fair, mine is a short 
70m stem, not a super long reach.

Here's the link, looks like they're sold out: 
https://analogcycles.com/products/discord-fingerling-stems

Max

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:55:17 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Just mounted a Billie bar to my V5, I would say both Choco, and Billie 
> bars are compatible. Regarding the Bosco Bullmoose, I agree with Keith's 
> comment above. Below, is the Billie bar with the V5. Also, a few details 
> show the space between the stem and the front cap of the stem, looking at 
> images at Blue Lug, there is no gap, guessing that's not a big issue, but 
> thought I'd point it out. The bolt extends outside of the rear port, so 
> there's no loss in bolt length. Wow, wonder how much ($$$) a modern remake 
> of the Slingshot would cost?
>
> [image: IMG-9813.jpg][image: IMG-9816.jpg][image: IMG-9818.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 1:46:18 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 12:14:57 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> Interesting; I just glommed on the V5, which I'd not seen before. It 
>> seems to be a good design for bars where the moment of force is relatively 
>> high, like many of the current Rivendell bars.
>>
>> Curious: I can see how a Technomic would be wholly overwhelmed by a 
>> Bosco. But what about a wide-faced, 4-bolt single-clamp stem? The only 
>> examples of these last are the Ritchey 4-bolt faceplate threadless stems I 
>> have on 2 bikes, but I wonder if these might hold a Bosco in place firmly 
>> without requiring over tightening of the bolts?
>>
>> This is not an idle question; I may try a bosco or tosco or some other 
>> such long sweepback bar on the Monocog 29er, and I'd not want to have to 
>> buy a new V5 stem as well as a new, expensive, bar.
>>
>>
>> Patrick, just in case it isn't clear:  The V5 stem probably only works 
>> with Nitto-made bars.  The Tosco, even in the narrower 25.4 versions, lack 
>> the long sleeve swaged onto the clamp area.  On nitto bars,  i know it 
>> works with the Bosco, but I think it might even be worth double checking to 
>> make sure the sleeve is long enough on the Billie, Chaco, Wavie, etc.  
>> Starting with the Billie bar, Nitto adopted a new manufacturing method that 
>> combined a bulged section WITH a sleeve.  For the Bosco and older models, 
>> the  clamp diameter was made up entirely with a swaged sleeve - like their 
>> drop bars.
>>
>> Regarding clamp force:  Ive experimented with boscos quite a bit.  I 
>> found a steel, ritchey force stem  with a broad clamp surface, to be 
>> adequate, even with a single bolt.  I was eventually able to get them to 
>> work in a technomic stem, and not slip after tightening enough, but found 
>> this unsatisfactory for another reason.  The aluminum bars flex in a 
>> torsional way, and the narrower clamp width exacerbated this.  I think this 
>> anti-torsion characteristic of wide clamps would be the best part of the V5 
>> stem.
>>
>> Ultimately, I found the steel bullmoose version to be the only Bosco I 
>> can use - despite wishing the angle was different (I wish the ends angled 
>> down more).  The steel is less flexy and the effective stem length is 150mm 
>> which is still barely long enough.  It's hard to find long stems these 
>> days.  (This is the problem with the OG slingshot stems, especially.  I 
>> have one in my parts bin and keep hoping to use it, but it never works.  
>> I'll eventually get custom bars for it.)
>>
>> All of this became moot for me, once the Tosco came out.  It offers all 
>> of the bosco benefits while fixing most of its  flaws.  But, as I noted, it 
>> won't work with the V5 stem unfortunately.
>>  
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 11:45 AM greenteadrinkers  
>> wrote:
>> I love the V5, here are some pictures of the v5 with a Choco on my 
>> Moonshiner. If I was going to use a non-moose Bosco on a Gus, I would only 
>> use a v5, I had a non-moose Bosco with a Technomic on my Sam, and had to 
>> use a shim, the bar would slip unless I tightened the stem as hard down as 
>> absolutely possible. Now I have a Bosco Moose on the Sam, perfection! So... 
>> 100% no go Bosco/Technomic for off-road roughstuff unless mated with a v5, 
>> I say this from experience. An aside, if you order a v5 from Blue Lug check 
>> out the brass spacers or the Nitto spacers, both are fabricated to mate 
>> perfectly with the v5.
>>
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[RBW] Re: 650b or 700 Bombadil frame question

[maxcr]

Here's mine - wouldn't it look odd just hanging there? 
Max

[image: IMG_9740.jpeg]

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 10:25:12 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Mine doesn't have a built in hanger.
>
> I went with cantilevers - easier to put bigger tires on with fenders and 
> also I am using drop bars. I have Paul Motolite V-brakes on my Gus ( and 
> other V-brakes on other bikes) and I don't see any advantage in braking for 
> V-brakes (nor discs for that matter) over cantilevers, but I do live in 
> Florida.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 10:11:56 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Thanks Leslie!
>>
>> About brakes, what do you all think for the Bombadil? V-Brakes or Cantis?
>>
>> I'm wondering if not using the built in hanger would be a waste
>>
>> ideas?
>>
>> Max
>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:37:33 PM UTC-5 Leslie wrote:
>>
>>> I built up my 56 Bomba w/ NeoMotos originally; then I swapped and was 
>>> running my Ram's 700c wheelset (I am using Motolite brakes, so I could 
>>> slide the pads up to fit the 700c wheel).   I did go back to 650b on the 
>>> Bomba, built a 650b wheelset for the Ram (and am running the 700c wheelset 
>>> on the canti-Rom... )   
>>>
>>> It's crazy what all you can do w/ these
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:15:22 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have 650B x 57 Schwalbe G-Ones on my Bombadil 52, but my chainstays 
>>>> are longer than the 45 shown on the chart.
>>>>
>>>> Laing
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:08:07 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for sending that geo chart Garth! That makes more sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> You were close! I measured my Schwalbe tires and they are 44-45mm as 
>>>>> installed on the velocity synergy rims. It's hard to gauge the true 
>>>>> clearance of the frame without actually trying the wider tire, but I 
>>>>> think 
>>>>> 2.1 is ideal and anything beyond would be pushing it, particularly in the 
>>>>> rear - maybe I can go 2.2 or even 2.3 in the front and 2.1 in the rear. 
>>>>> It 
>>>>> gets close as you approach the kickstand plate where the stays narrow, 
>>>>> I'll 
>>>>> play with it some more but my guestimate is that I'll have around 60mm of 
>>>>> clearance with the wider/taller tire, so if I want at least 3mm on each 
>>>>> side, that means 2.1 is the way to go in the rear, which means the 700c 
>>>>> UD 
>>>>> MARS Race probably won't work for me on this frame.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>> Max
>>>>>
>>>>> *All of the above is without fenders
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:00:57 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh sheesh, now I was confused too because the linked chart is wrong. 
>>>>>> I just measure mine, and it's the same as your, 62cm c-c along the TT, 
>>>>>> 63cm 
>>>>>> effective. I never used that chart anyways, it's either a preliminary 
>>>>>> version or it's simply a misprint, I'm guessing a misprint as the ETT 
>>>>>> jump 
>>>>>> from 56 to 60 frame should be 60.5 to 63, respectively. Every geo chart 
>>>>>> ever printed by Riv, and I've kept most if not all, show the 60cm Bomba 
>>>>>> @63cm ETT. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the tire clearance, those Supremes are what, in the 46-48cm 
>>>>>> range ? Yes, there's lots of room between the stays, and on the front 
>>>>>> you 
>>>>>> can fit a 2.2 without a fender. Between the blades is 63-64mm I think, 
>>>>>> where the fender would go. The chainstays and bridge however I'm not so 
>>>>>> sure, you'd have to either apply some widened calipers to guestimate the 
>>>>>> width and how forward, or just put a mounted tire in there. How much 
>>>>>> room 
>>>>>> is enough ? Enough that you don't crash and burn if caught in a "jam" ! 
>>>>>> ((( 
>>>>>> laughing ))). 
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: 650b or 700 Bombadil frame question

[maxcr]

Thanks Leslie!

About brakes, what do you all think for the Bombadil? V-Brakes or Cantis?

I'm wondering if not using the built in hanger would be a waste

ideas?

Max
On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:37:33 PM UTC-5 Leslie wrote:

> I built up my 56 Bomba w/ NeoMotos originally; then I swapped and was 
> running my Ram's 700c wheelset (I am using Motolite brakes, so I could 
> slide the pads up to fit the 700c wheel).   I did go back to 650b on the 
> Bomba, built a 650b wheelset for the Ram (and am running the 700c wheelset 
> on the canti-Rom... )   
>
> It's crazy what all you can do w/ these
>
> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:15:22 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> I have 650B x 57 Schwalbe G-Ones on my Bombadil 52, but my chainstays are 
>> longer than the 45 shown on the chart.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:08:07 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sending that geo chart Garth! That makes more sense.
>>>
>>> You were close! I measured my Schwalbe tires and they are 44-45mm as 
>>> installed on the velocity synergy rims. It's hard to gauge the true 
>>> clearance of the frame without actually trying the wider tire, but I think 
>>> 2.1 is ideal and anything beyond would be pushing it, particularly in the 
>>> rear - maybe I can go 2.2 or even 2.3 in the front and 2.1 in the rear. It 
>>> gets close as you approach the kickstand plate where the stays narrow, I'll 
>>> play with it some more but my guestimate is that I'll have around 60mm of 
>>> clearance with the wider/taller tire, so if I want at least 3mm on each 
>>> side, that means 2.1 is the way to go in the rear, which means the 700c UD 
>>> MARS Race probably won't work for me on this frame.
>>>
>>> Thanks again
>>> Max
>>>
>>> *All of the above is without fenders
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:00:57 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh sheesh, now I was confused too because the linked chart is wrong. I 
>>>> just measure mine, and it's the same as your, 62cm c-c along the TT, 63cm 
>>>> effective. I never used that chart anyways, it's either a preliminary 
>>>> version or it's simply a misprint, I'm guessing a misprint as the ETT jump 
>>>> from 56 to 60 frame should be 60.5 to 63, respectively. Every geo chart 
>>>> ever printed by Riv, and I've kept most if not all, show the 60cm Bomba 
>>>> @63cm ETT. 
>>>>
>>>> As for the tire clearance, those Supremes are what, in the 46-48cm 
>>>> range ? Yes, there's lots of room between the stays, and on the front you 
>>>> can fit a 2.2 without a fender. Between the blades is 63-64mm I think, 
>>>> where the fender would go. The chainstays and bridge however I'm not so 
>>>> sure, you'd have to either apply some widened calipers to guestimate the 
>>>> width and how forward, or just put a mounted tire in there. How much room 
>>>> is enough ? Enough that you don't crash and burn if caught in a "jam" ! 
>>>> ((( 
>>>> laughing ))). 
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: 650b or 700 Bombadil frame question

[maxcr]

Thanks for sending that geo chart Garth! That makes more sense.

You were close! I measured my Schwalbe tires and they are 44-45mm as 
installed on the velocity synergy rims. It's hard to gauge the true 
clearance of the frame without actually trying the wider tire, but I think 
2.1 is ideal and anything beyond would be pushing it, particularly in the 
rear - maybe I can go 2.2 or even 2.3 in the front and 2.1 in the rear. It 
gets close as you approach the kickstand plate where the stays narrow, I'll 
play with it some more but my guestimate is that I'll have around 60mm of 
clearance with the wider/taller tire, so if I want at least 3mm on each 
side, that means 2.1 is the way to go in the rear, which means the 700c UD 
MARS Race probably won't work for me on this frame.

Thanks again
Max

*All of the above is without fenders

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 1:00:57 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Oh sheesh, now I was confused too because the linked chart is wrong. I 
> just measure mine, and it's the same as your, 62cm c-c along the TT, 63cm 
> effective. I never used that chart anyways, it's either a preliminary 
> version or it's simply a misprint, I'm guessing a misprint as the ETT jump 
> from 56 to 60 frame should be 60.5 to 63, respectively. Every geo chart 
> ever printed by Riv, and I've kept most if not all, show the 60cm Bomba 
> @63cm ETT. 
>
> As for the tire clearance, those Supremes are what, in the 46-48cm range ? 
> Yes, there's lots of room between the stays, and on the front you can fit a 
> 2.2 without a fender. Between the blades is 63-64mm I think, where the 
> fender would go. The chainstays and bridge however I'm not so sure, you'd 
> have to either apply some widened calipers to guestimate the width and how 
> forward, or just put a mounted tire in there. How much room is enough ? 
> Enough that you don't crash and burn if caught in a "jam" ! ((( laughing 
> ))). 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[maxcr]

Enjoy, Johns article is up: 
https://theradavist.com/rivendell-bombadil-review/
On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 5:17:24 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Wow! I'm super impressed. And I bet they are all in the same great 
> condition as your Bombadil. Thanks for sharing.
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> 8 - behind the Bombadil - Betty Foy, Hubbuhubbuh, Frank Jones Sr, Mystery 
>> Bike, Gus Boots Willsen, hanging on the wall Rosco Bubbe V1, Rivendell 
>> Custom. There are others not in the picture (Clementine, Rosco Bubbe Medium 
>> Mountain Mixte, Roscoe Baby, Keven's Custom Mixte). The Hubbuhubbuh has 
>> been sold since the picture was taken.
>>
>> Also in the picture - 2 1973 Schwinn Paramount P-15s, 2 Flying Pigeons, 2 
>> Gitane Tour de Frances, Pashley Guv'nor, Crust Scapegoat,  Kent Cavalier 
>> (recumbent 3 wheeler).
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 1:19:46 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>> Wait a minute there Laing! How many Riv's are in that picture???
>>
>> Drill press, one of my favorite tools :)
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Bombadil PDF

[maxcr]

Does anyone have a set of silver Paul thumbies lying around unused?

I'm also interested in a pair of used Paul Love Levers 2.5 (switching 
brakes to Minimoto's), otherwise I might end up installing the black ones I 
have on another bike for now.

Max

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:42:11 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> Thanks for confirming JJ.
>
> I guess now is a good time to share that I have a new project brewing this 
> winter! 
>
> According to the seller he bought it new from Riv in 2016 which sounds off 
> given the details and the build but maybe it was an old demo, stashed 
> somewhere in the warehouse?
> Either way I'm beyond stoked about having found such a gem:
>
> [image: 322680578_5656479324459676_7415959924211071863_n.jpg]
>
> Here is the non-drive side decal:
>
> [image: bomba.jpg]
>
> I'll install Bullmoose bars, thumbies, racks and I'm considering new 
> tires. Still waiting for a few things I'll need for the (re)build.
> Photos will follow
>
> Max
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:44:18 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
> PA wrote:
>
>> Even more graphic variation - this from the original batch:
>>
>> [image: IMG_0341.JPG]
>>
>> and a closeup of the style from the .pdf
>>
>> [image: IMG_1599.JPG]
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting how the Bombadil graphics on the decals changed over time. 
>>> Thanks for the link.
>>>
>>> [image: bomb1 (3).jpg]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:14:07 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
>>>> Max, I think you have indeed had it all along! The creation date on the 
>>>> PDF is Sep 9, 2010.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 1:09:47 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Marty! Interesting, I did find that one, I have the pdf... 
>>>>> maybe I've had it all along?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20110708185319/http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/358/original_sept_9.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Max
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Bombadil PDF

[maxcr]

Thanks Marty! Interesting, I did find that one, I have the pdf... maybe 
I've had it all along?

https://web.archive.org/web/20110708185319/http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/358/original_sept_9.pdf

Max

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Bombadil PDF

[maxcr]

Thanks Eric, much appreciated.

Still looking for that other pdf if someone has it!

Max

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:20:00 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Closet thing I can find, Max, is the announcement in Riv Reader number 41, 
> starting on page 6. 
>
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/RR41.pdf
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 5:39:15 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a copy of the pdf referenced here:
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bombadil/index.html
>>
>> From Riv Sept, 2010
>>
>> Filename: rbw_090910_bombadil.pdf
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Max
>>
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[RBW] Looking for Bombadil PDF

[maxcr]

Does anyone have a copy of the pdf referenced here:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bombadil/index.html

>From Riv Sept, 2010

Filename: rbw_090910_bombadil.pdf

Thanks!
Max

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Rosco Platypus 50cm Purple

[maxcr]

For other Rosco Platypus seekers, this looks like a great deal for a 60cm 
purple: 

https://www.rivbike.com/products/60cm-rosco-platy-demo-bike

Max
On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 3:22:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Nice! Is it the 55 I mentioned or did you find a 50? 
>
> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 7:22:33 AM UTC-8 dane...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> You guys weren't wrong! Will sent me a photo of a complete demo they are 
>> selling. 
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:48:30 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I guess the odds are that Rivendell is completely sold out but I have 
>>> always learned to call and ask. I have gotten all kinds of sold out stuff 
>>> from them because they "didn't know they had it" or "forgot to list it"
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:59:18 PM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>>>
 About $400. (+ what Joe said)

 I ended up buying a regular/swoopy Platy but it was the Rosco (and its 
 price) that first got me thinking about the possibilities of a Riv 
 step-through.

 -Dave

 On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:56:23 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> What’s the diff between the Platy and Rosco Platy ?
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 2:46 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Also of anybody wants the 55 Mermaid Rosco Platy prototype it may 
>> still be there. I thought Riv was going to post it for sale but I've 
>> never 
>> seen it..call em up! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:44:02 PM UTC-8 cjus...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding end of year stock:  They were restocked on the site at end 
>>> of year with a limited amount and have all sold.
>>>
>>> Regarding Crust:  I think they just have the Platy in stock, not the 
>>> Rosco Platy.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 11:16:26 AM UTC-6 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Crust has all sizes right now. You don’t even have to pay twice for 
 shipping.

 On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 5:23 AM Johnny Alien  
 wrote:

> Maybe you should call and ask Rivendell. They said at the end of 
> the year that they had some back stock of all sizes and colors of the 
> Rosco 
> Platy. Its not listed on the site though. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 6:59:31 AM UTC-5 dane...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey.  
>>
>> Curious if anyone here might have one they are looking to sell?  
>> Could be a frameset or possibly a complete.
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Dan
>>
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[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[maxcr]

I had the Sim Works co-misirlou bar on my AHH on a short stem and liked it 
a lot: https://www.sim.works/products/co-misirlou-bar

>From the site:
Material :Heat Treated Aluminium
Width :390, 410, 430, 450mm (center - center at ends)
Center diam. :26.0mm
Bar diam. :23.8mm
Reach :85mm
Drop :140mm
Color :High-polished Silver & Gloss Black

Another option I had considered: Dajia Cycleworks Shallow Drop Handlebar 
but a quick google search didn't seem to result in places where you can get 
it.

Max
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:32:19 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> Patrick - are you spec'ing a 31.8 clamp size because you're going to use 
> the bars with possibly a threadless stem with a 4-bolt bar clamp?   If so, 
> it's too bad that you don't want an anatomic bar because the one fits all 
> of your other criteria better than some of the other recommendations is the 
> the Ritchey BioMax II.  It has very flat ramps at the end of which the 
> brake levers can be installed so as to allow a perfectly straight 
> transition from the bar flats to the brake hoods.  It also has a very 
> shallow drop - just about everything you're looking for except the ergo 
> bend.
>
> I have eyeballed the recommended Highway One bars from time to time 
> because they, too, are shorter reach and have flatter ramps and shallower 
> drops, but I don't understand why the drops extend so far back toward the 
> rider - seems excessive.  I suppose one could cut these shorter to suit an 
> individual preference...
>  
> Anyway, here's a look at the Ritchey bars, FYI.  They are ugly, I'll give 
> you that, but I've never ridden a more comfortable road bar.
>
> https://www.northrimadventure.com/product/ritchey-bicycle-components-pro-biomax-ii-road-handlebar-os-1653.htm
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 4:06:34 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Is there any bar that is not more than about 44 cm at hoods, has a 
>> regular hook, gives more or less a regular hoods position, and that has a 
>> very short reach? And a very shallow drop? I think of replacing the 
>> cut-down Aherne MAP bar with something that gives me the ever comfortable 
>> hood position but doesn't stretch me out much more than the Aherne bar. I 
>> realize that I can buy a shorter stem too, but I want to know what the 
>> shortest reach, etc., option/s is/are.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: new Brooks B17 Special **Olive Green**

[maxcr]

I have one of these olive saddles and it's an absolute beauty.
Max

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 10:40:16 AM UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

> Saddle was mounted to seatpost once and removed.
> Unique, discontinued olive green color with copper rivets.
> Looks almost black in shade, turns olive in sunlight.
> Never ridden, perfect condition - asking $200
> Please send PM with interest, thanks!
>
> Jeff
> (Alabama)
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Re: [RBW] FS: Hillborne

[maxcr]

Yeah, I had the same Cane Creek V-brake drop bar levers on my gallop and 
they worked great!
Max

PS. If anyone is looking, I have a Nitto noodle handlebar with a short 
Nitto stem, cane creek v-brake drop levers (poorly) wrapped in brooks 
leather over Fizik bar gel that I'd be willing to sell (shifters not 
included).

[image: noodle.jpg]



On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 4:43:41 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson wrote:

> Oh good - those are V-specific levers. They work great!
>
> Philip 
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 8:53:09 AM UTC-8 
> aelga...@castilleja.org wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 8:27 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What brakes and levers specifically are you running?
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 9:11 PM, Ahmed Elgasseir
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Braking is fantastic. I’ve had/have this set up on a number of bikes and 
>>> it’s always been stellar. 
>>>
>>> :-)
>>> A
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 6:46 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ahmed,
>>>
>>> How well does your brake set-up work? I'm wanting to run linear pull 
>>> brakes with hood brake levers myself, just like you. The hood brake levers 
>>> I have are not long pull, and I'm wondering how they will work with my 
>>> v-brakes. I'm interested in hearing from those that have run NON long pull 
>>> brake hood levers with v-brakes.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 07:34:19 PM MST, Ahmed Elgasseir <
>>> aelga...@castilleja.org> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Y'all!
>>> I'm thinning the herd to finance a new Roadini. Up for sale is my 54 Sam 
>>> Hillborne, purchased directly from Riv back in 2019. It's been ridden but 
>>> not much. Saddle and pedals not included. Posting it here, hoping I don't 
>>> have to go CL. $2500
>>>
>>> Happy Holidays!
>>> Ahmed in San Mateo
>>> [image: IMG_6900.jpg][image: IMG-4312.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[maxcr]

I owned a SimpleOne for a minute and I could relate to most of what Will 
mentioned in his blog, in fact his writing made me want to go back to SS as 
well.

The rear end of the bike definitely feels light and not dealing with 
derailleurs is liberating. For me coasting is just relaxing, and knowing I 
don't have to prepare my gears for whatever comes next after stopping made 
the ride more fun. For my flat-ish commute, the SimpleOne was great: fast, 
light... simple. (why did I sell it again?)

Fixed vs SS - I don't know, but for me fixed never felt good, mostly the 
slowing down and braking part. Maybe I should have given it more time.

Max

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:11:03 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Ryan,
>
> I'm very inspired my Will's Roadini build as well. I haven't done much SS 
> riding, I'm more of a fixed or multi-gear rider. How do people feel about 
> SS vs. fixed? Am I missing something by not riding SS some of the time?
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:57:35 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>>
>> And Will's post : 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045_eid=0074b52ae1
>>  
>> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
>> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
>> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
>>
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[RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

[maxcr]

Thank you everyone for your replies, here's my takeaway after reading your 
comments and taking apart the bear traps to make sure they were properly 
greased and tightened (full disclosure this is the first pedal I take 
apart):

I found this video from Ron: https://youtu.be/sjGrbm2XxhM - take a look at 
minute 5:10 - mine definitely don't spin like that, but I'm not sure why, 
maybe they'll get smoother with use, since these are brand new out of the 
box.

It does seem like Simworks Bubbly & sealed cartridge will feel way smoother 
than Bear Traps period, but that might not translate to any improved 
feeling when pedaling. Also, the consensus is that Bear Traps are ok/good 
pedals.

Thanks again, I'll install them and see how they feel.

Max

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:29:22 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> The bear trap will get smoother over time but never match the Bubbly, the 
> Bubbly is the smoothest pedal I’ve ever seen. I prefer the larger platform 
> of the Bubbly (they are on my commuter) but haven’t bought a set to replace 
> my bear trap pedals on my Susie. Nothing wrong with the bear traps at all. 
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:49:46 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, and/or 
>> you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge 
>> bearings. Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease either. 
>> More grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the bearing 
>> isn't loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper 
>> adjustment, not unlike Shimano hubs. 
>>
>> As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin 
>> freely. Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs because 
>> they're not cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means one 
>> will spin better or worse than the other.
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair plus 
>>> add some vintage charm!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Max,
>>>>
>>>> Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your 
>>>> observation.
>>>>
>>>> We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals 
>>>> and they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong 
>>>> with the Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different 
>>>> level.
>>>>
>>>> That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your decision, 
>>>> you did what works for the time being and maybe later on down the road you 
>>>> get to try the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all that much.
>>>>
>>>> Jared in SLO
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went to 
>>>>> my LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly pedals 
>>>>> - 
>>>>> I really liked the spin on them and the looks, but unfortunately they 
>>>>> only 
>>>>> had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks website, but the 
>>>>> polished were sold out. (Their next order was going to be in about a 
>>>>> month 
>>>>> at best)
>>>>>
>>>>> Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear 
>>>>> Trap III and ordered them in silver. 
>>>>>
>>>>> They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less 
>>>>> smooth than the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive $62 
>>>>> vs 
>>>>> $100 but still, is this normal?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it the lack of sealed bearings that affects rotational performance?
>>>>>
>>>>> Will I feel a real difference if I go with one over the other?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Max in Boston
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[maxcr]

Have you looked at the spank flare 25 from Analog? I rode them on one of 
their demo bikes and it had a nice flare

https://analogcycles.com/collections/bars/products/spank-flare-25-degree-bars?variant=42906531004648

Max
On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:36:15 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
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[RBW] Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

[maxcr]

Hi Everyone,

I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went to my 
LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly pedals - I 
really liked the spin on them and the looks, but unfortunately they only 
had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks website, but the 
polished were sold out. (Their next order was going to be in about a month 
at best)

Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear Trap III 
and ordered them in silver. 

They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less smooth 
than the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive $62 vs $100 
but still, is this normal?

Is it the lack of sealed bearings that affects rotational performance?

Will I feel a real difference if I go with one over the other?

Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.

Max in Boston

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[RBW] Re: Downtube shifting boss question

[maxcr]

Thanks Joe, the housing without a ferrule fits but it's quite loose.

Thanks Garth, I have both 5mm and 4mm ferrules and to my surprise none fit. 

I'm wondering if this is the answer - maybe I just need a Shimano cable 
stop to go in there? 
https://www.rivbike.com/products/shimano-downtube-cable-stops-pair-17045

Max
On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 1:05:47 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Will shifter housing fit in there without a ferrule?
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 9:24:24 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone I'm working on a new project and bumped into this shifting 
>> boss which I've never seen. They don't seem to accept a standard brass 
>> ferrule.
>>
>> Any ideas on how to deal with these other than replacing them?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Max
>> [image: IMG_8920.jpeg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Downtube shifting boss question

[maxcr]

Hi Everyone I'm working on a new project and bumped into this shifting boss 
which I've never seen. They don't seem to accept a standard brass ferrule.

Any ideas on how to deal with these other than replacing them?

Thanks
Max
[image: IMG_8920.jpeg]

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[RBW] Re: Rear Dynamo wiring pics / examples? non-fender

[maxcr]

I don't know if this is considered clean, but it works great! I installed 
this 

 
SON rear light mounted in the rear rack and ran the cable with the rear 
brake and along the rack:

[image: IMG_8661 (2).jpeg]

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 4:56:15 PM UTC-6 brizbarn wrote:

> Can anyone share photos of clean looking rear dynamo light wiring? I 
> currently run a front dyno and usually recharge my rear light on my 
> sinewave cycles UBS dynamo charger when its day light out.  
>
> I am interested in a rear dynamo light though, so that I don't have to 
> worry about charging the light.  Usually it's not a big deal to charge it, 
> but it would be cool to have bike powered light, front and back. I don't 
> want to mount the light to a fender because I only run fenders for a few 
> months out of the year.  My thought was to run it down the same line as 
> rear derailer cable, and mount it on one of the lower rack braze-on 
> mounts.  That might keep the wire somewhat out of view, and fairly clean 
> looking.
>
> I've read that mounting a rear light low is not the best idea, but I feel 
> like the light will be seen even if its not up high (like on the seat 
> post).  Thoughts?
>

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[maxcr]

Thanks Abe, that's super helpful. I'm coming from an analog 0mm extension 
(w)right stem and I used (I think) a 100mm Nitto stem near the the minimum 
insertion line 

Next experiment will be to flip the albatross, I have long arms so maybe 
that will work better for me.

Max
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:

> [image: IMG_2063.jpg]
> [image: IMG_2064.jpg]
> [image: IMG_2076.jpg]
> FYI, after this photos I adjusted the inner bar ends a bit and will again 
> as I putz around on it. I have some inner bar ends in the mail too which 
> are like the SQLabs model, but these longer (150mm) bar ends are pretty 
> cozy so I'll try them both.  
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:18:39 PM UTC-8 Pancake wrote:
>
>> Yes, changed stems:
>> Soma Portola with 6cm extension Technomic
>> Nitto Labarross with 10cm extension Technomic
>>
>> Both were raised pretty high but the Albatross is nearly the the minimum 
>> insertion line (1cm shy) while the Portola was about 4cm shy of min 
>> insertion line. 
>>
>> I’m a heavy guy with long torso and short legs, brooks B17 saddle almost 
>> as far back as it will go on a S83 setback seatpost. 
>>
>> The Albatross bar setup is the same stem/bar setup I used on my Cheviot. 
>> With the inner bar ends I get tons of added forward reach to pull on or 
>> lean into, if I didn’t have those I’d probably want at least 11cm of stem 
>> extension though. Any less than 10cm extension and I’d worry about knee 
>> strikes on the ends of the albatross bars when they’re this low. And I 
>> wouldn’t use bar end shifters with the current setup for the Sam reason. 
>>
>> My next move is to try swapping the Nexus rd for an XT rapid rise rd with 
>> a 13t lower pulley wheel (replacing the 11t original). The Nexus doesn’t 
>> take kindly to heavy pedaling pressure uphill in a low gear, it starts to 
>> skip. This is probably because I’ve got it way past the max gear size and 
>> chain wrap capacities (46/30t crankset, 11-40t cassette). If I was less 
>> heavy I suspect it wouldn’t be a problem, but I’m hoping the wider 
>> wrap/capacity of the XT rd will eliminate this issue. 
>>
>> In the “hoods” (pulling on the inner bar ends) the Charlie is a rocket 
>> that pulls my weight off the seat to pedal harder and faster like in the 
>> drops or hoods. On the hand grips I’m in “sit up and beg” mode - very tall 
>> to see well in traffic and nice for standing up as I pedal uphills, but 
>> relaxed enough to putter around town for as long as I could want. The long 
>> arm (e.g., normal) v-brakes are just perfect and so strong I can’t imagine 
>> ever wishing for disc brakes. What a fun and versatile bike! These should 
>> sell out every time, it’s the best Riv I’ve been on (which includes: 
>> Cheviot, Sam Hillborne, Saluki, Homer, Gus, Suzie, Rosco Baby). Fast like 
>> Homer, strong and versatile like Sam, better braking than any other, swoopy 
>> goodness. 
>>
>> Abe
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2022, at 1:51 PM, maxcr  wrote:
>>
>> Abe, I forgot to ask, did you change the stem length going from the Soma 
>> Portola to the Albatross?
>>
>>
>> Max
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> I also recently installed Albatross bars (not upside down) on my 
>>> Charlie, but I think I need to tweak them. I haven't installed my grips 
>>> yet, but after a quick 20m ride my hands/wrists made it clear that the 
>>> angle wasn't working.
>>>
>>> Here is a photo of the process, I'll post the new setup once I have the 
>>> grips finalized.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_8661 (1).jpeg]
>>>
>>> I do like the Paul levers / Paul v-brake combo, brakes feel better than 
>>> the cane creek ones I had on the noodles.
>>>
>>> Abe, would you mind posting a side photo of your CHG?
>>>
>>> Max, always tinkering in Boston
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:01:32 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> Excellent...thanks for the report, Abe!
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:57:58 PM MST, Abe Gardner <
>>>> abe.g...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Schwable G-One Allround 700x50. Fits nicely, great for gravel and 
>>>> chunky pavement; very good on smooth pavement. Slight noise on pavement 
>>>> but 
>>>> only compared to Snoqualmie Pass (700x44mm) tire smoothness. I’d love to 
>>>> try Hatcher Pass (700x48mm smooth) next but thes G-One All

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[maxcr]

Abe, I forgot to ask, did you change the stem length going from the Soma 
Portola to the Albatross?
Max

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> I also recently installed Albatross bars (not upside down) on my Charlie, 
> but I think I need to tweak them. I haven't installed my grips yet, but 
> after a quick 20m ride my hands/wrists made it clear that the angle wasn't 
> working.
>
> Here is a photo of the process, I'll post the new setup once I have the 
> grips finalized.
>
> [image: IMG_8661 (1).jpeg]
>
> I do like the Paul levers / Paul v-brake combo, brakes feel better than 
> the cane creek ones I had on the noodles.
>
> Abe, would you mind posting a side photo of your CHG?
>
> Max, always tinkering in Boston
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:01:32 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>
>> Excellent...thanks for the report, Abe!
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:57:58 PM MST, Abe Gardner <
>> abe.g...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Schwable G-One Allround 700x50. Fits nicely, great for gravel and chunky 
>> pavement; very good on smooth pavement. Slight noise on pavement but only 
>> compared to Snoqualmie Pass (700x44mm) tire smoothness. I’d love to try 
>> Hatcher Pass (700x48mm smooth) next but thes G-One Allrounds are super (and 
>> cheaper by a small bit vs. Rene Herse tires).
>>
>> I’m running them with tubes that have some Stan’s sealant inside - never 
>> a flat but currently a slow leak that probably resolved with the sealant 
>> since my lunch time ride. 
>>
>> Abe
>>
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> What tires are those, Abe?
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 01:17:34 PM MST, Pancake <
>> abe.g...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> I put albatross bars on my Charlie, mounted them upside down and raise 
>> the stem way high. This gives me a better grip towards the front of the 
>> curves of the bar, but I also put some bar ends at the most forward point, 
>> so they give a on the hoods type of position as well. very nice for pulling 
>> on and leading down into the wind. Open to suggestions on where to mount 
>> the shifters, they feel pretty good mounted towards the center. I’m really 
>> enjoying the bar is mounted upside down, it’s just a more comfortable way 
>> to hold in the curves. I am on a Nitto Technomic, 10 cm extension stem, 
>> this leaves the hand grips about level with the saddle at the maximum 
>> insertion point.
>>
>> V- brakes! Switching to the albatross bars, with cheap, avid levers, and 
>> nice DRX brake arms improoves the braking dramatically. It’s really night 
>> and day compared to calipers or the short arm v-brakes I was using before. 
>> The stopping power both better modulated and much stronger. But the weird, 
>> unnecessarily, strong mechanical advantage of a short arm (85mm) V- brakes 
>> is gone. Long arm v-brakes are the only way to go. 
>>
>> I’m sure I’ll shift the cockpit around but so far super happy with the 
>> change (from Soma Portola drop bars and TRP RRL brake levers  with lite pro 
>> short arm v brakes).
>>
>>
>> Abe
>>
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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[maxcr]

I also recently installed Albatross bars (not upside down) on my Charlie, 
but I think I need to tweak them. I haven't installed my grips yet, but 
after a quick 20m ride my hands/wrists made it clear that the angle wasn't 
working.

Here is a photo of the process, I'll post the new setup once I have the 
grips finalized.

[image: IMG_8661 (1).jpeg]

I do like the Paul levers / Paul v-brake combo, brakes feel better than the 
cane creek ones I had on the noodles.

Abe, would you mind posting a side photo of your CHG?

Max, always tinkering in Boston

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:01:32 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:

> Excellent...thanks for the report, Abe!
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:57:58 PM MST, Abe Gardner <
> abe.g...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Schwable G-One Allround 700x50. Fits nicely, great for gravel and chunky 
> pavement; very good on smooth pavement. Slight noise on pavement but only 
> compared to Snoqualmie Pass (700x44mm) tire smoothness. I’d love to try 
> Hatcher Pass (700x48mm smooth) next but thes G-One Allrounds are super (and 
> cheaper by a small bit vs. Rene Herse tires).
>
> I’m running them with tubes that have some Stan’s sealant inside - never a 
> flat but currently a slow leak that probably resolved with the sealant 
> since my lunch time ride. 
>
> Abe
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> What tires are those, Abe?
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 01:17:34 PM MST, Pancake <
> abe.g...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> 
> 
>
> I put albatross bars on my Charlie, mounted them upside down and raise the 
> stem way high. This gives me a better grip towards the front of the curves 
> of the bar, but I also put some bar ends at the most forward point, so they 
> give a on the hoods type of position as well. very nice for pulling on and 
> leading down into the wind. Open to suggestions on where to mount the 
> shifters, they feel pretty good mounted towards the center. I’m really 
> enjoying the bar is mounted upside down, it’s just a more comfortable way 
> to hold in the curves. I am on a Nitto Technomic, 10 cm extension stem, 
> this leaves the hand grips about level with the saddle at the maximum 
> insertion point.
>
> V- brakes! Switching to the albatross bars, with cheap, avid levers, and 
> nice DRX brake arms improoves the braking dramatically. It’s really night 
> and day compared to calipers or the short arm v-brakes I was using before. 
> The stopping power both better modulated and much stronger. But the weird, 
> unnecessarily, strong mechanical advantage of a short arm (85mm) V- brakes 
> is gone. Long arm v-brakes are the only way to go. 
>
> I’m sure I’ll shift the cockpit around but so far super happy with the 
> change (from Soma Portola drop bars and TRP RRL brake levers  with lite pro 
> short arm v brakes).
>
>
> Abe
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Faceplate Quill Stems, Crust Shaka Bar, Paul Neo Retros

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PM sent

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 5:17:02 PM UTC-4 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> The Crust parts are sold, but everything remains despite a good amount of 
> interest, even though some of that interest was spammy.
>
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, 3:31 PM Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
>
>> Surprisingly, the Paul Neo Retro brakes are still available.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:59:24 PM UTC-5 Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
>>> Crust bar and stem are sold to a patient list member.
>>>
>>> Pictures of the bags I mentioned:
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/LyZRec5Bp88iBoJv5
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 11:54:48 AM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 PMed - what's the length of the Crust X Nitto UI-12?

 On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 4:51:30 AM UTC-7 
 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bumping this.  Sorry to folks who replied and then got a delayed 
> direct response -- Google Groups replies are going to spam.  Below are 
> images of the Crust and Paul stuff.  I also have three bags I'm posting 
> later today: a Rivendell Brand V bar bag, a royal blue Rivendell 
> Sackville 
> Banana Sack, and a Revelate Designs Mountain Feedbag
>
> Crust items:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/H6wqoqZ4x4XZXFQCA
>
> Paul Neo Retro brakes:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/RxopQho1TfVWWqxZA
>
> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 2:56:32 PM UTC-5 Conway Bennett wrote:
>
>> I'm moving to a 31.8 faceplate stem and v brake ecosystem across all 
>> of my bikes for universal compatibility, so I have the following up for 
>> grabs:
>>
>> Crust x Nitto UI 12 Quill Stem with 26.0 clamp $75
>>
>> Nitto UI 12 Quill Stem with 10 cm extension and 31.8 clamp $70
>>
>> Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebar 26.0 clamp 54 cm wide $115
>>
>> One bikes worth of Paul Neo Retro brakes with Moon Units and Short 
>> Nitto Rear Cable Hanger.  All hardware is accounted for, but these not 
>> come 
>> with brake pads.  I will also include some extra Paul bits I have.  $170
>>
>> I also have an all but new set of Skinwall Specialized Sawtooth 
>> 2Bliss tires in 650 x 48 I tried and liked, but I prefer Schwalbe G One 
>> Speed tires.
>>
>> Prices are net to me, and I would prefer local sales.  For shipping, 
>> I recommend buying it through pirate ship and then emailing me the label.
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
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[RBW] Re: No love for the Riv Bull bar?

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Thanks Johnny, I took your advice and the bike rides much better! I 
installed it almost as a flat bar and it's wonderful.

Max
On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 1:53:49 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Because there is no rise I don't really see why they would need to be 
> angled at all but every rider is different. Whatever is comfortable to you.
>
>
> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 10:34:07 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Who has experimented with Riv's Bull bar? It's in stock and perhaps 
>> underappreciated?
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/handlebar-nitto-b901raa
>>
>> I've seen Brendonoid's photo here 
>>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/kpok5hmtyK4/m/QzOVD6XPAAAJ
>>
>> His seem much less angled down than mine, but I'm not sure if I'm doing 
>> it wrong ;)
>>
>> [image: IMG_8155.jpeg]
>>
>> As seen on the pic, I recently installed it on my Atlantis with a Jim 
>> stem and I'm still playing with potential angle decisions for a comfortable 
>> fit - any insights would be appreciated
>>
>> Max
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Susie Longbolts Large

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Oh, and your Susie is beautiful! very tempting ;)

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 10:50:40 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson 
wrote:

> I'm trying my best to avoid shipping, but if it doesn't sell soon I'll 
> ship. 
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 10:45 AM maxcr  wrote:
>
>> Are you still thinking local only? I hate shipping bikes, but I imagine 
>> that would open up the demand side :)
>>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm Bumping this thread and lowering the price to $2450. Any takers?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> R10, Analog has them. 
>>>>
>>>> https://analogcycles.com/products/nitto-r-10-rear-bag-support
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 11:47:53 AM UTC-7 
>>>> row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What rear rack.??..i know it's not for sale
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, 12:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Your post says Orange but this is actually the new Dark Gold, yes? 
>>>>>> It's gorgeous, somebody go get it! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:45:09 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After much debate, I think I'm going to sell my Large Susie 
>>>>>>> Longbolts . I built it up as a commuter but quickly realize I prefer my 
>>>>>>> prior commuter better. Anyway, I'm not right now ready to ship it so 
>>>>>>> local 
>>>>>>> pickup only in the Tallahassee Area. I am willing to drive a couple of 
>>>>>>> hours with the bike to facilitate the sale. Bike has a total of around 
>>>>>>> 200 
>>>>>>> miles or so. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Specs Below
>>>>>>> Susie Large Frame - Orange
>>>>>>> SRAM GX 11-Speed Rear Derailleur
>>>>>>> SRAM 11-Speed 11-42 Rear Cassette
>>>>>>> Microshift 11-Speed Thumb Shifter
>>>>>>> Billie Bar
>>>>>>> Nitto Technomic Stem
>>>>>>> Wheels - Deore XT laced with Velocity Cliffhanger Rims
>>>>>>> Tires- G-One Speed 55mm, Tubeless
>>>>>>> Sugino AT Crankset with Wolftooth 36t Narrowide Chainring. 
>>>>>>> Avid  7 V-Brakes
>>>>>>> Brooks B17 Saddle
>>>>>>> Pedals and Rear Rack are not included.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm asking $2600.
>>>>>>> Pics can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/U1oWtHI
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel MacPherson
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Susie Longbolts Large

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Are you still thinking local only? I hate shipping bikes, but I imagine 
that would open up the demand side :)

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson wrote:

> I'm Bumping this thread and lowering the price to $2450. Any takers?
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> R10, Analog has them. 
>>
>> https://analogcycles.com/products/nitto-r-10-rear-bag-support
>>
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 11:47:53 AM UTC-7 row.n.2...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What rear rack.??..i know it's not for sale
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022, 12:41 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 Your post says Orange but this is actually the new Dark Gold, yes? It's 
 gorgeous, somebody go get it! 

 On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 8:45:09 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson 
 wrote:

> Hello!
>
> After much debate, I think I'm going to sell my Large Susie Longbolts 
> . I built it up as a commuter but quickly realize I prefer my prior 
> commuter better. Anyway, I'm not right now ready to ship it so local 
> pickup 
> only in the Tallahassee Area. I am willing to drive a couple of hours 
> with 
> the bike to facilitate the sale. Bike has a total of around 200 miles or 
> so. 
>
> Specs Below
> Susie Large Frame - Orange
> SRAM GX 11-Speed Rear Derailleur
> SRAM 11-Speed 11-42 Rear Cassette
> Microshift 11-Speed Thumb Shifter
> Billie Bar
> Nitto Technomic Stem
> Wheels - Deore XT laced with Velocity Cliffhanger Rims
> Tires- G-One Speed 55mm, Tubeless
> Sugino AT Crankset with Wolftooth 36t Narrowide Chainring. 
> Avid  7 V-Brakes
> Brooks B17 Saddle
> Pedals and Rear Rack are not included.
>
> I'm asking $2600.
> Pics can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/U1oWtHI
>
> Daniel MacPherson
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[RBW] Shipping / packing question

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I'm about to pack my Atlantis to ship it home. I'm going to do it myself 
but I'm wondering if I should remove the front nitto rack or ship it with 
the rack installed.

What do you think?

Max

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Re: [RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

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James, if you bought that bike from me (the 63 AHH) it's a Toyo
Max

On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 9:47:06 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Don't Waterford frames have a distinctive seat stay end cap with a 'W" in 
> the recess - my Bombadil does. This is a better picture from the Waterford 
> site, but the same as my Bombadil:
>
> [image: 
> 6881680380_566caa3985_z-nwiouwjw51r3qwj11ieoc8axc7o69w290ux5x1it4w.jpg]
>
> Laing
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 3:05:54 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> THAT'S it. I knew there was a difference between the two but couldn't 
>> remember the detail change. But I think yours is backwards, my recollection 
>> is Toyo had two sets of bottle bosses and the later Waterford got the third 
>> set. 
>>
>> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 12:01:05 AM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure that it is totally definitive but I expect the Toyo AHH to have 
>>> three water bottle boss pairs and the Waterford to have two pairs (none 
>>> under the down tube).
>>>
>>> David Lipsky
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 7:11:42 PM UTC-7 James wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have an older AHH.  Anyone know how I can tell if it's Toyo or 
>>>> Waterford made?
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 5:52:35 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I had an older MUSA AHH 61 (2006-ish?) and a Taiwan Sam 62 (2015-ish) 
>>>>> with 2TT and for a brief spell I also had a 2TT 58. All of them were 
>>>>> 700C. 
>>>>> I should also say that they are all gone at this point, nothing wrong 
>>>>> with 
>>>>> them except my own unnecessary searching for the next shiny object.
>>>>>
>>>>> Both are amazing frames and can be set up very similarly - I think 
>>>>> your tires, racks and handlebars would probably determine the feel and 
>>>>> ride 
>>>>> more than the frame geo, tubing or anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some details on the way mine were set up: both had front and rear 
>>>>> racks, sidepull brakes and short stems:
>>>>> AHH 700x38 + dropbars
>>>>> SH 62  700x44 + dropbars
>>>>> SH 58 700x42 + Albatross
>>>>>
>>>>> It has been said that the Sam is burlier or that the tubing on the 
>>>>> Homer is slightly lighter and the lugs are more elegant. To me, they were 
>>>>> both equally capable, perhaps the 2TT Sam felt a tad stiffer particularly 
>>>>> when loaded, but it certainly didn't feel slower. Also, at no point did I 
>>>>> feel like my AHH couldn't carry as much as the Sam. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you trying to decide which one you'd buy? If so, I would choose 
>>>>> based on availability, color, badge, name, which one do you find more 
>>>>> beautiful? Oh and sizing: which one fits you better? If you can find a 
>>>>> frame where you fall in the middle of the suggested PBH range for either 
>>>>> the Sam or the AHH I would choose that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure if this helps, but I think Grant said it best when he said it 
>>>>> was hard to tell one from the other when you were riding them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best.
>>>>> Max
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 4:38:49 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave Grossman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What made your the Roadini a superior all around bike compared your 
>>>>>> AHH-MUSA/MUJ  ???   Was the Roadini more lively, handle better, ride 
>>>>>> better, or something else???   It seems the Roadini is more a pure road 
>>>>>> bike vs the all around nature of the AHH.Just curious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Hawrylak
>>>>>> Woodstown  NJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 10:25:19 PM UTC-4 Dave Grossman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have an older Homer (not sure if it is Waterford or Toyo but I'd 
>>>>>>> like to know actually) and having owned a Roadini I can say I find it a 
>>>>>>> much superior all around bike.  I hadn't considered a Sam since I have 
>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>> Hunq but I can do light touring and backpacking with my Homer if I 
>>>>>>> desire.  

Re: [RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

[maxcr]

I had an older MUSA AHH 61 (2006-ish?) and a Taiwan Sam 62 (2015-ish) with 
2TT and for a brief spell I also had a 2TT 58. All of them were 700C. I 
should also say that they are all gone at this point, nothing wrong with 
them except my own unnecessary searching for the next shiny object.

Both are amazing frames and can be set up very similarly - I think your 
tires, racks and handlebars would probably determine the feel and ride more 
than the frame geo, tubing or anything else.

Some details on the way mine were set up: both had front and rear racks, 
sidepull brakes and short stems:
AHH 700x38 + dropbars
SH 62  700x44 + dropbars
SH 58 700x42 + Albatross

It has been said that the Sam is burlier or that the tubing on the Homer is 
slightly lighter and the lugs are more elegant. To me, they were both 
equally capable, perhaps the 2TT Sam felt a tad stiffer particularly when 
loaded, but it certainly didn't feel slower. Also, at no point did I feel 
like my AHH couldn't carry as much as the Sam. 

Are you trying to decide which one you'd buy? If so, I would choose based 
on availability, color, badge, name, which one do you find more beautiful? 
Oh and sizing: which one fits you better? If you can find a frame where you 
fall in the middle of the suggested PBH range for either the Sam or the AHH 
I would choose that.

Not sure if this helps, but I think Grant said it best when he said it was 
hard to tell one from the other when you were riding them.

Best.
Max

On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 4:38:49 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:

> Dave Grossman
>
> What made your the Roadini a superior all around bike compared your 
> AHH-MUSA/MUJ  ???   Was the Roadini more lively, handle better, ride 
> better, or something else???   It seems the Roadini is more a pure road 
> bike vs the all around nature of the AHH.Just curious.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown  NJ
>
> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 10:25:19 PM UTC-4 Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>> I have an older Homer (not sure if it is Waterford or Toyo but I'd like 
>> to know actually) and having owned a Roadini I can say I find it a much 
>> superior all around bike.  I hadn't considered a Sam since I have a Hunq 
>> but I can do light touring and backpacking with my Homer if I desire.  I 
>> rotate it in my commuter stable with the Hunq and I end up riding it quite 
>> often.  I currently have it set up with Crust Towel bars (with a large Fabs 
>> in the middle!), VO fenders, and 44s.  I have it maxed out, but it is such 
>> a great ride.  I've thought about getting a stripped road bike but the 
>> Homer is so versatile.  I think if I didn't have the Hunq, I'd be more 
>> inclined to get a Sam.  But if you already have a hauler an older Homer is 
>> the way to go.  I have a 63, which I am on the small side for with a 90 
>> pbh, but it fits great and I love the ride.  My Hunq is a 58 and while I 
>> can clear a 62 (I've ridden the 62 before) I love having the clearance that 
>> a slightly smaller frame allows for the rough stuff.  
>>
>> On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 4:27:16 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> Just to be more confusing, I have a circa 2012 Homer, and I believe the 
>>> even sizes are 650b and the odd sizes are 700c, so there was some overlap 
>>> within some of the sizes.  I have a 54 cm AHH 650b, and I believe the 55 cm 
>>> and 57 cm were 700c, while the 56 cm was 650b.  
>>>
>>> My Homer maxed out at 38 mm tires + fenders--I've used Parimoto, Lierre, 
>>> GravelKing, and Soma Xpress, and all are good for me (depending upon the 
>>> application, eg. commute vs fast ride).  My favorite tire size for 650b is 
>>> 42 mm, and I believe the Sam H can ride those with fenders, so I might lean 
>>> that direction if I had to choose.  
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[maxcr]

Hi Bob,

What's your gearing on that awesome Clem? Chainring / cassette combo?

Thanks
Max

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 3:56:30 PM UTC-4 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

> My 52 Clem H serves me as both my trail bike AND my town bike. : ) It's 
> super versatile, comfortable, and rides beautifully.
>
> My wife has a 45 Clem L; I haven't ridden it for any substantial distance, 
> so I really can't weigh in on it how it rides, but I do see the benefits of 
> the step-through design.
>
> Bob E
> Cranford, NJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem H curious

[maxcr]

Did you see this 
one: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/255655578437?hash=item3b86428b45:g:dJ4AAOSwqEli1Y2Q

On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 2:45:00 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for the offer, I’m looking at a 59. Just trying to decide if I 
> can justify it as a companion to my Susie. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 3, 2022, at 10:52 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of 
> flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some 
> folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that H, 
> it's a good frame! 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a bike 
>> like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high for me! 
>> I do however find it to be almost too nice! 
>>
>> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use as 
>> my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. I 
>> found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping for 
>> some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H just 
>> has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the 
>> same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go than 
>> a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price 
>> bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me. 
>> Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
>>
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