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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

If your implication is that everyone is supposed to know to use two wrenches on 
a standard Technomic, everyone does not know this. The standard and Deluxe (or 
Tallux) are otherwise visually identical and I presume most people use the same 
single hex key on both, as with most other single-bolt stems. I would never 
have expected that stem to fail that way. 

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-26 Thread Paul Brodek

The nut likely will not fit tightly against the shelf on a new replacement 
stem. That's not how it's designed. I've wrenched hundreds, owned dozens, 
and every one of them was exactly the same. You've got about 1mm of space 
between the top of the nut and shelf/ledge, which allows the nut to rotate 
slightly. That is how they're made.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 3:02:36 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Leah
>
> You should not be left holding the bag on this.  I suggest contacting RBW, 
> struggling or not, and see what they can do for you.  RBW and Soma are not 
> at fault if the stem did not meet design, but RBW or Soma should step up 
> and see what they can do for you.  Soma seems to be not responding very 
> well, so it's time time to ask RBW .
>
> I think we would all like to now why this happened and Nitto is the only 
> one who could do it, since its their product, their design.
>
> When you buy the new stem, please inspect it very carefully for tight fit 
> of the hex nut to the shelf/ledge and also ensure the interior of the clamp 
> is clean and smooth, with no signs of gouging or any visible burrs existing 
> above the surface.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 1:49:19 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Rob. I’m pretty small potatoes, but I’m flattered that you think 
>> I have a social media presence. 
>>
>> Paul, I know, I feel conflicted, too. I really should talk to Riv but 
>> can’t bring myself to do it. I ordered the stem at a time that Riv was 
>> struggling and needed business. Instead of getting it through SomaFab, I 
>> had Riv order it. I just can’t make them handle it! I’v gone to Soma, and 
>> if the Soma route doesn’t work, I’ll be spending another $130 on the same 
>> stem, I suppose (when it comes back in stock). And what of my bar? I have 
>> to hope it’s not compromised from the damage the stem inflicted. Sigh.
>>
>> I know user error could certainly be a factor here, but honestly, I doubt 
>> if I’m capable of over-tightening a bolt. And it’s pretty straightforward 
>> how to clamp stem to bar, so I am confident I did that right, too. 
>> Unbelievable as it is, I think it’s just a faulty stem. 
>>
>> It’s 2020 - we’re used to being disappointed!
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Having been in the bicycle components business, I'm a little out of sorts 
>> thinking about how to address this post.
>>
>> I'll start out by saying that I think Nitto is one of the best parts mfrs 
>> in terms of design, QC and attention to detail.
>>
>> I'll also say that I've used Nitto stems with this design for decades, 
>> both on my own bikes and hundreds/thousands of builds/repairs, and never 
>> seen this happen before. There has always been enough space between the nut 
>> and ledge to allow slight rotation of the nut. But I've never seen the nut 
>> as much as score the ledge, much less wear away enough metal to allow the 
>> nut to rotate. 
>>
>> From being on the mfr side, I know that the observations of one, or even 
>> many, humans to hundreds/thousands of examples may mean little compared to 
>> the hundreds of thousands of units the mfr has produced and shipped. Well, 
>> my saying "I've never seen that before" means little in the big picture. Me 
>> or someone else saying "I've seen that often" would mean something. "I've 
>> never seen that happen before" doesn't mean much, because there's always 
>> the chance the item in question has QC issues, and maybe there's a first 
>> time for everything. But even though I know my saying "I've never seen that 
>> before" doesn't necessarily have much meaning, I do want to say I've never 
>> seen that happen before. I did say I'm out of sorts here...
>>
>> I've always thought the nut/ledge dimensions and fit were sub-optimal, 
>> but I never saw it cause a problem, and I assumed Nitto designed it that 
>> way for a reason. But I always wished that fit were better/tighter, that 
>> the nut had very little room to rotate. I always thought the ledge should 
>> 1-2mm closer to the top of the nut, and maybe a little taller/deeper as 
>> well.
>>
>> Looking at it kinda forensically, I can think of a few possibilities here:
>> 1. Bolt hole is drilled too low
>> 2. Hole position is correct, but casting is off, with too much space 
>> between nut/ledge, or ledge is too shallow to resist nut turning
>> 3. Stem hardness is below spec, softer metal more susceptible to allowing 
>> nut rotation
>> 4. Nut is undersized, so too much space between nut/ledge
>> 5. Bolt was significantly over-torqued during installation
>> 6. Bolt was initially tightened without ensuring nut was flush with stem 
>> face, with the nut point digging/fretting into the stem, starting the gouge 
>> that allowed the nut to rotate
>>
>> I might have missed something, but that's all that comes to mind. I don't 
>> know enough

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

I agree with John. Tell Riv, a place you've spent an Oh Lordy amount of money 
and will again later this year when the Platypus happens. 

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-26 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Leah

You should not be left holding the bag on this.  I suggest contacting RBW, 
struggling or not, and see what they can do for you.  RBW and Soma are not 
at fault if the stem did not meet design, but RBW or Soma should step up 
and see what they can do for you.  Soma seems to be not responding very 
well, so it's time time to ask RBW .

I think we would all like to now why this happened and Nitto is the only 
one who could do it, since its their product, their design.

When you buy the new stem, please inspect it very carefully for tight fit 
of the hex nut to the shelf/ledge and also ensure the interior of the clamp 
is clean and smooth, with no signs of gouging or any visible burrs existing 
above the surface.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 1:49:19 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Thanks, Rob. I’m pretty small potatoes, but I’m flattered that you think I 
> have a social media presence. 
>
> Paul, I know, I feel conflicted, too. I really should talk to Riv but 
> can’t bring myself to do it. I ordered the stem at a time that Riv was 
> struggling and needed business. Instead of getting it through SomaFab, I 
> had Riv order it. I just can’t make them handle it! I’v gone to Soma, and 
> if the Soma route doesn’t work, I’ll be spending another $130 on the same 
> stem, I suppose (when it comes back in stock). And what of my bar? I have 
> to hope it’s not compromised from the damage the stem inflicted. Sigh.
>
> I know user error could certainly be a factor here, but honestly, I doubt 
> if I’m capable of over-tightening a bolt. And it’s pretty straightforward 
> how to clamp stem to bar, so I am confident I did that right, too. 
> Unbelievable as it is, I think it’s just a faulty stem. 
>
> It’s 2020 - we’re used to being disappointed!
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 26, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Paul Brodek > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Having been in the bicycle components business, I'm a little out of sorts 
> thinking about how to address this post.
>
> I'll start out by saying that I think Nitto is one of the best parts mfrs 
> in terms of design, QC and attention to detail.
>
> I'll also say that I've used Nitto stems with this design for decades, 
> both on my own bikes and hundreds/thousands of builds/repairs, and never 
> seen this happen before. There has always been enough space between the nut 
> and ledge to allow slight rotation of the nut. But I've never seen the nut 
> as much as score the ledge, much less wear away enough metal to allow the 
> nut to rotate. 
>
> From being on the mfr side, I know that the observations of one, or even 
> many, humans to hundreds/thousands of examples may mean little compared to 
> the hundreds of thousands of units the mfr has produced and shipped. Well, 
> my saying "I've never seen that before" means little in the big picture. Me 
> or someone else saying "I've seen that often" would mean something. "I've 
> never seen that happen before" doesn't mean much, because there's always 
> the chance the item in question has QC issues, and maybe there's a first 
> time for everything. But even though I know my saying "I've never seen that 
> before" doesn't necessarily have much meaning, I do want to say I've never 
> seen that happen before. I did say I'm out of sorts here...
>
> I've always thought the nut/ledge dimensions and fit were sub-optimal, but 
> I never saw it cause a problem, and I assumed Nitto designed it that way 
> for a reason. But I always wished that fit were better/tighter, that the 
> nut had very little room to rotate. I always thought the ledge should 1-2mm 
> closer to the top of the nut, and maybe a little taller/deeper as well.
>
> Looking at it kinda forensically, I can think of a few possibilities here:
> 1. Bolt hole is drilled too low
> 2. Hole position is correct, but casting is off, with too much space 
> between nut/ledge, or ledge is too shallow to resist nut turning
> 3. Stem hardness is below spec, softer metal more susceptible to allowing 
> nut rotation
> 4. Nut is undersized, so too much space between nut/ledge
> 5. Bolt was significantly over-torqued during installation
> 6. Bolt was initially tightened without ensuring nut was flush with stem 
> face, with the nut point digging/fretting into the stem, starting the gouge 
> that allowed the nut to rotate
>
> I might have missed something, but that's all that comes to mind. I don't 
> know enough about how Nitto mfrs stems, acquires parts and does QC to know 
> which of the mfr-related issues are possibilities. 
>
> The hole in OP's stem doesn't look any lower than the hole in the 
> half-a-dozen Technomics I've got scattered around my desk, but fractions of 
> a mm that my eye might not spot might matter here. None of my stems are 
> crappy enough that I'd be tempted to try to duplicate making a gouge like 
> that myself, but by eyeball it doesn't look like my gouge would be any 
> deeper.
>
> If it were my stem, I'd reckon there's

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

I would discount user error. The design requires the pointy corner of a steel 
nut to dig against an aluminum shelf and I can't see how this was ever a good 
idea, but I've used them and torqued them lots without the design failing. 
Lance Armstrong's teammates nicknamed him "Centimeter" because of his incessant 
adjusting of bars and seatpost and that's me, I'm constantly fiddling with my 
riding position and my stem clamp bolt goes through easily a dozen 
loosening/tightening sessions..I've never had a standard Technomic do what 
Leah's did.

As I said a few comments up there, it's good that it's tight now with a wrench 
holding the nut and should be fine. As I also said much earlier, she needs a 
new stem! 

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-26 Thread Leah Peterson

Thanks, Rob. I’m pretty small potatoes, but I’m flattered that you think I have 
a social media presence. 

Paul, I know, I feel conflicted, too. I really should talk to Riv but can’t 
bring myself to do it. I ordered the stem at a time that Riv was struggling and 
needed business. Instead of getting it through SomaFab, I had Riv order it. I 
just can’t make them handle it! I’v gone to Soma, and if the Soma route doesn’t 
work, I’ll be spending another $130 on the same stem, I suppose (when it comes 
back in stock). And what of my bar? I have to hope it’s not compromised from 
the damage the stem inflicted. Sigh.

I know user error could certainly be a factor here, but honestly, I doubt if 
I’m capable of over-tightening a bolt. And it’s pretty straightforward how to 
clamp stem to bar, so I am confident I did that right, too. Unbelievable as it 
is, I think it’s just a faulty stem. 

It’s 2020 - we’re used to being disappointed!
Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 26, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Paul Brodek  wrote:
> 
> 
> Having been in the bicycle components business, I'm a little out of sorts 
> thinking about how to address this post.
> 
> I'll start out by saying that I think Nitto is one of the best parts mfrs in 
> terms of design, QC and attention to detail.
> 
> I'll also say that I've used Nitto stems with this design for decades, both 
> on my own bikes and hundreds/thousands of builds/repairs, and never seen this 
> happen before. There has always been enough space between the nut and ledge 
> to allow slight rotation of the nut. But I've never seen the nut as much as 
> score the ledge, much less wear away enough metal to allow the nut to rotate. 
> 
> From being on the mfr side, I know that the observations of one, or even 
> many, humans to hundreds/thousands of examples may mean little compared to 
> the hundreds of thousands of units the mfr has produced and shipped. Well, my 
> saying "I've never seen that before" means little in the big picture. Me or 
> someone else saying "I've seen that often" would mean something. "I've never 
> seen that happen before" doesn't mean much, because there's always the chance 
> the item in question has QC issues, and maybe there's a first time for 
> everything. But even though I know my saying "I've never seen that before" 
> doesn't necessarily have much meaning, I do want to say I've never seen that 
> happen before. I did say I'm out of sorts here...
> 
> I've always thought the nut/ledge dimensions and fit were sub-optimal, but I 
> never saw it cause a problem, and I assumed Nitto designed it that way for a 
> reason. But I always wished that fit were better/tighter, that the nut had 
> very little room to rotate. I always thought the ledge should 1-2mm closer to 
> the top of the nut, and maybe a little taller/deeper as well.
> 
> Looking at it kinda forensically, I can think of a few possibilities here:
> 1. Bolt hole is drilled too low
> 2. Hole position is correct, but casting is off, with too much space between 
> nut/ledge, or ledge is too shallow to resist nut turning
> 3. Stem hardness is below spec, softer metal more susceptible to allowing nut 
> rotation
> 4. Nut is undersized, so too much space between nut/ledge
> 5. Bolt was significantly over-torqued during installation
> 6. Bolt was initially tightened without ensuring nut was flush with stem 
> face, with the nut point digging/fretting into the stem, starting the gouge 
> that allowed the nut to rotate
> 
> I might have missed something, but that's all that comes to mind. I don't 
> know enough about how Nitto mfrs stems, acquires parts and does QC to know 
> which of the mfr-related issues are possibilities. 
> 
> The hole in OP's stem doesn't look any lower than the hole in the 
> half-a-dozen Technomics I've got scattered around my desk, but fractions of a 
> mm that my eye might not spot might matter here. None of my stems are crappy 
> enough that I'd be tempted to try to duplicate making a gouge like that 
> myself, but by eyeball it doesn't look like my gouge would be any deeper.
> 
> If it were my stem, I'd reckon there's plenty of metal there, and use a new 
> nut/bolt, install with two wrenches, and be aware of proper nut orientation 
> and proper torque. Using the triangular beveled nut, and matching bolt, from 
> a Tech Deluxe doesn't work at my end, either. The bolt is definitely too 
> short. If I leave out the thin washer that goes under the bolt head, I can 
> get maybe half a turn, not nearly enough threads, even with a bar in the 
> stem. And even if the bolt were long enough, that wedge is beveled at the 
> top, and the Tech stem ledge is beveled to match, and the Tech stem ledge is 
> deeper. It's not as clean a fit on the Std. I'd feel better with standard nut 
> on the standard Technomic.
> 
> But I'd also understand if somebody else would want to replace the stem.
> 
> I would be interested to hear what Nitto would have to say if they examined 
> the stem. I'd be

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-26 Thread Paul Brodek

Having been in the bicycle components business, I'm a little out of sorts 
thinking about how to address this post.

I'll start out by saying that I think Nitto is one of the best parts mfrs 
in terms of design, QC and attention to detail.

I'll also say that I've used Nitto stems with this design for decades, both 
on my own bikes and hundreds/thousands of builds/repairs, and never seen 
this happen before. There has always been enough space between the nut and 
ledge to allow slight rotation of the nut. But I've never seen the nut as 
much as score the ledge, much less wear away enough metal to allow the nut 
to rotate. 

>From being on the mfr side, I know that the observations of one, or even 
many, humans to hundreds/thousands of examples may mean little compared to 
the hundreds of thousands of units the mfr has produced and shipped. Well, 
my saying "I've never seen that before" means little in the big picture. Me 
or someone else saying "I've seen that often" would mean something. "I've 
never seen that happen before" doesn't mean much, because there's always 
the chance the item in question has QC issues, and maybe there's a first 
time for everything. But even though I know my saying "I've never seen that 
before" doesn't necessarily have much meaning, I do want to say I've never 
seen that happen before. I did say I'm out of sorts here...

I've always thought the nut/ledge dimensions and fit were sub-optimal, but 
I never saw it cause a problem, and I assumed Nitto designed it that way 
for a reason. But I always wished that fit were better/tighter, that the 
nut had very little room to rotate. I always thought the ledge should 1-2mm 
closer to the top of the nut, and maybe a little taller/deeper as well.

Looking at it kinda forensically, I can think of a few possibilities here:
1. Bolt hole is drilled too low
2. Hole position is correct, but casting is off, with too much space 
between nut/ledge, or ledge is too shallow to resist nut turning
3. Stem hardness is below spec, softer metal more susceptible to allowing 
nut rotation
4. Nut is undersized, so too much space between nut/ledge
5. Bolt was significantly over-torqued during installation
6. Bolt was initially tightened without ensuring nut was flush with stem 
face, with the nut point digging/fretting into the stem, starting the gouge 
that allowed the nut to rotate

I might have missed something, but that's all that comes to mind. I don't 
know enough about how Nitto mfrs stems, acquires parts and does QC to know 
which of the mfr-related issues are possibilities. 

The hole in OP's stem doesn't look any lower than the hole in the 
half-a-dozen Technomics I've got scattered around my desk, but fractions of 
a mm that my eye might not spot might matter here. None of my stems are 
crappy enough that I'd be tempted to try to duplicate making a gouge like 
that myself, but by eyeball it doesn't look like my gouge would be any 
deeper.

If it were my stem, I'd reckon there's plenty of metal there, and use a new 
nut/bolt, install with two wrenches, and be aware of proper nut orientation 
and proper torque. Using the triangular beveled nut, and matching bolt, 
from a Tech Deluxe doesn't work at my end, either. The bolt is definitely 
too short. If I leave out the thin washer that goes under the bolt head, I 
can get maybe half a turn, not nearly enough threads, even with a bar in 
the stem. And even if the bolt were long enough, that wedge is beveled at 
the top, and the Tech stem ledge is beveled to match, and the Tech stem 
ledge is deeper. It's not as clean a fit on the Std. I'd feel better with 
standard nut on the standard Technomic.

But I'd also understand if somebody else would want to replace the stem.

I would be interested to hear what Nitto would have to say if they examined 
the stem. I'd be thrilled if Nitto redesigned the stem to make that 
nut/ledge fit tighter.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 9:07:51 AM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Leah
>
> The pictures of the stem shelf were perfect.  Sorry to hear the bolt was 
> too short.
>
> The *direct cause *of the of the circular divot is Nitto drilled the hole 
> for the Stem Bolt *TOO LOW* in the stem clamp . The lower stem bolt/hex 
> nut resulted in the hex nut not being close to the shelf for it's flat to 
> have a large surface area to resist the turning force of the bolt. The hex 
> nut flat rotated through the shelf as you tightened the bolt, producing the 
> small circular divot, resulting in the 'stripped' feeling in you stated in 
> your original post.
>
> The stem was not manufactured to the correct tolerances for the stem bolt 
> hole to stem clap shelf distance.  It's useable with a correctly tightened 
> nut.  However, I would recommend perusing a replacement stem via Soma/Nitto 
> due to the manufacturing problem.  Hopefully, Nitto takes this as a 
> 'learning opportunity' and adjusts their process.
>
> The gouging on the inside of the

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-26 Thread Rob Kristoff

BBDD-
IMO, Nitto would be foolish not to warranty this stem (and bar, since mistakes 
in one damaged the other.) Do they know how much you've $pent on their products 
(and will)? And your massive social media presence?

Now, I'm not encouraging gouging Nitto (see what I did there?) for 'free' 
stuff, but in all the customer service training I've had, they say creating an 
unhappy customer costs a business far more than giving them whatever makes them 
happy. I know you'd likely keep buying from them anyway, but how could they 
know that?

Best, RK

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-26 Thread Leah Peterson

John, you’re like Dr. House. Or Sherlock Holmes! Thanks for that astute 
conclusion - I think you’ve nailed (bolted? Ha!) down the problem perfectly. I 
was in contact with Soma, who talked to Nitto, but Nitto asked really 
elementary questions like, “Is it the right size? Did she install it 
correctly?” And in in the end, they told me to grease the stem (where it does 
into steerer) and the bolt threads. That was the end of our correspondence, but 
I did copy and paste your words and my photos in a new email to Soma today. 

I plan to replace this stem when it comes back in stock on Soma, whether Nitto 
makes this right or not. I just don’t trust my stem anymore, and I’m really 
disgusted that it chewed up my expensive Nitto aluminum bar.

Thanks for this email; truly.
Leah 

Sent from my iPad

>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 6:07 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Leah
> 
> The pictures of the stem shelf were perfect.  Sorry to hear the bolt was too 
> short.
> 
> The direct cause of the of the circular divot is Nitto drilled the hole for 
> the Stem Bolt TOO LOW in the stem clamp . The lower stem bolt/hex nut 
> resulted in the hex nut not being close to the shelf for it's flat to have a 
> large surface area to resist the turning force of the bolt. The hex nut flat 
> rotated through the shelf as you tightened the bolt, producing the small 
> circular divot, resulting in the 'stripped' feeling in you stated in your 
> original post.
> 
> The stem was not manufactured to the correct tolerances for the stem bolt 
> hole to stem clap shelf distance.  It's useable with a correctly tightened 
> nut.  However, I would recommend perusing a replacement stem via Soma/Nitto 
> due to the manufacturing problem.  Hopefully, Nitto takes this as a 'learning 
> opportunity' and adjusts their process.
> 
> The gouging on the inside of the stem and bar clamp area is troubling.  Most 
> likely it was due to the bars rotating in the stem clamp due to insufficient 
> tightening torque resulting from the stem bolt hole problem above.  It is 
> possible Nitto had the gouged in the interior surface of the stem clamp 
> during manufacture or left foreign material side the stem clamp.  
> 
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> 
> 
>> On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 12:25:17 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> John asked for a photo when I swapped the bolts. I tried that tonight...bolt 
>> is too short. Sigh. But he asked for photos that show the shelf that the nut 
>> is supposed to rest against. (I think.)
>> 
>> Here are photos of the area in question. I hope you can see what you were 
>> looking for because I’m never taking that nut off again. I’m worried I’m 
>> going to wear it out and it will let me know on my way down Killer Hill.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:32 PM, CB  wrote:
>>> Aside from BBDD's stem issue, a number have noted that the sleeved bars 
>>> sometimes creak. I would expect that the sleeve is inflexible when clamped 
>>> properly in the stem. The bars flex quite a bit, and the flexing may deform 
>>> the inner bar a tiny bit at the ends of the sleeve and cause the creak.
>>> 
>>> A similar effect might be expected between the stem clamp and bars for 
>>> non-sleeved bars, but in that case tightening the clamp would reduce the 
>>> deformation.
>>> -- 
>>> Carl
>>> 
 On June 23, 2020 6:04:56 PM PDT, Joe Bernard  wrote:
 The stem worked fine on her steel bar, I don't know if it has that burr 
 mark on it and I think it's long gone now. I don't imagine even my 
 slightly obsessive bike detective skills are going to ever solve how the 
 dang thing got in there, but I'd sure like to grab a piece of sandpaper 
 and knock it down! 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-26 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Leah

The pictures of the stem shelf were perfect.  Sorry to hear the bolt was 
too short.

The *direct cause *of the of the circular divot is Nitto drilled the hole 
for the Stem Bolt *TOO LOW* in the stem clamp . The lower stem bolt/hex nut 
resulted in the hex nut not being close to the shelf for it's flat to have 
a large surface area to resist the turning force of the bolt. The hex nut 
flat rotated through the shelf as you tightened the bolt, producing the 
small circular divot, resulting in the 'stripped' feeling in you stated in 
your original post.

The stem was not manufactured to the correct tolerances for the stem bolt 
hole to stem clap shelf distance.  It's useable with a correctly tightened 
nut.  However, I would recommend perusing a replacement stem via Soma/Nitto 
due to the manufacturing problem.  Hopefully, Nitto takes this as a 
'learning opportunity' and adjusts their process.

The gouging on the inside of the stem and bar clamp area is troubling.  
Most likely it was due to the bars rotating in the stem clamp due to 
insufficient tightening torque resulting from the stem bolt hole problem 
above.  It is possible Nitto had the gouged in the interior surface of the 
stem clamp during manufacture or left foreign material side the stem 
clamp.  

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 12:25:17 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> John asked for a photo when I swapped the bolts. I tried that 
> tonight...bolt is too short. Sigh. But he asked for photos that show the 
> shelf that the nut is supposed to rest against. (I think.)
>
> Here are photos of the area in question. I hope you can see what you were 
> looking for because I’m never taking that nut off again. I’m worried I’m 
> going to wear it out and it will let me know on my way down Killer Hill.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:32 PM, CB > 
> wrote:
>
> Aside from BBDD's stem issue, a number have noted that the sleeved bars 
> sometimes creak. I would expect that the sleeve is inflexible when clamped 
> properly in the stem. The bars flex quite a bit, and the flexing may deform 
> the inner bar a tiny bit at the ends of the sleeve and cause the creak.
>
> A similar effect might be expected between the stem clamp and bars for 
> non-sleeved bars, but in that case tightening the clamp would reduce the 
> deformation.
> -- 
> Carl
>
> On June 23, 2020 6:04:56 PM PDT, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>>
>> The stem worked fine on her steel bar, I don't know if it has that burr mark 
>> on it and I think it's long gone now. I don't imagine even my slightly 
>> obsessive bike detective skills are going to ever solve how the dang thing 
>> got in there, but I'd sure like to grab a piece of sandpaper and knock it 
>> down! 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-26 Thread Doug Hansford

Dang, the bolt is too short. I thought I was the only one who just when I 
think I have the right parts, it doesn't work! Gash in the stem aside, that 
steel looks nice and strong. Hopefully you'll get it working just right 
soon. I'm a fan of nice clean chromoly parts on a bicycle and silver 
cranks, stems, and bars look classy on your bike.
Doug

On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 12:25:17 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> John asked for a photo when I swapped the bolts. I tried that 
> tonight...bolt is too short. Sigh. But he asked for photos that show the 
> shelf that the nut is supposed to rest against. (I think.)
>
> Here are photos of the area in question. I hope you can see what you were 
> looking for because I’m never taking that nut off again. I’m worried I’m 
> going to wear it out and it will let me know on my way down Killer Hill.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:32 PM, CB > 
> wrote:
>
> Aside from BBDD's stem issue, a number have noted that the sleeved bars 
> sometimes creak. I would expect that the sleeve is inflexible when clamped 
> properly in the stem. The bars flex quite a bit, and the flexing may deform 
> the inner bar a tiny bit at the ends of the sleeve and cause the creak.
>
> A similar effect might be expected between the stem clamp and bars for 
> non-sleeved bars, but in that case tightening the clamp would reduce the 
> deformation.
> -- 
> Carl
>
> On June 23, 2020 6:04:56 PM PDT, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>>
>> The stem worked fine on her steel bar, I don't know if it has that burr mark 
>> on it and I think it's long gone now. I don't imagine even my slightly 
>> obsessive bike detective skills are going to ever solve how the dang thing 
>> got in there, but I'd sure like to grab a piece of sandpaper and knock it 
>> down! 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-25 Thread Joe Bernard

Yep, you ground a nice little divot out of that stem with the nut. Which annoys 
me to no end because the nut shouldn't be spaced far enough away from the 
surface to do that. Oy! But you've solved it by using a wrench on the nut so 
c'est la vie. That's French! 

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-23 Thread CB

Aside from BBDD's stem issue, a number have noted that the sleeved bars 
sometimes creak. I would expect that the sleeve is inflexible when clamped 
properly in the stem. The bars flex quite a bit, and the flexing may deform the 
inner bar a tiny bit at the ends of the sleeve and cause the creak.

A similar effect might be expected between the stem clamp and bars for 
non-sleeved bars, but in that case tightening the clamp would reduce the 
deformation.
-- 
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>mark on it and I think it's long gone now. I don't imagine even my
>slightly obsessive bike detective skills are going to ever solve how
>the dang thing got in there, but I'd sure like to grab a piece of
>sandpaper and knock it down! 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-23 Thread Leah Peterson

Hear no evil, see no evil. I don’t ever want to look under there again!

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> On Jun 23, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> The stem worked fine on her steel bar, I don't know if it has that burr mark 
> on it and I think it's long gone now. I don't imagine even my slightly 
> obsessive bike detective skills are going to ever solve how the dang thing 
> got in there, but I'd sure like to grab a piece of sandpaper and knock it 
> down! 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-23 Thread Joe Bernard

The stem worked fine on her steel bar, I don't know if it has that burr mark on 
it and I think it's long gone now. I don't imagine even my slightly obsessive 
bike detective skills are going to ever solve how the dang thing got in there, 
but I'd sure like to grab a piece of sandpaper and knock it down! 

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-23 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Joe

I think you are correct about something inside the stem clamp causing the 
gouging and resulting in the looseness.   The inside of the stem clamp 
looks 'terrible" for a machined surface.  The "gouged" Al bar worked in the 
normal Technomic stem, so the markings on the bar sleeve and clamp area do 
not appear to be the cause, just a result of something inside the stem 
clamp..

The question would be what produced the 'burr' or 'burrs' inside the stem 
clamp.  Did Nitto manufacture it with burrs??  Did some foreign material 
get inside the clamp after manufacturing at Nitto??  Did something 
happening during shipping or handling??  Did Leah do something??  Was 
something on the bar when it was inserted through the clamp???

I would use fine grit sandpaper or emery cloth to smooth out the iniside of 
the stem clamp, reduce any ridges from the gouging.   Not much can be done 
for the low spot of the gouge.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 2:55:19 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I'm still in the "it's the stem" camp. Reasons: 1. When she loosened it 
> and moved the bars up and down the noise was worse. 2. When she slid the 
> bars out there was a good bit of gouging on the sleeve like it was dragging 
> on something in there. 3. I saw a pic inside the stem and think I could see 
> the burr causing that drag. Conclusion: Boscos put a massive amount of 
> leverage on that narrow little clamp and I think the interface in there was 
> wonky enough to cause a tick/creak. 

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-23 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Joe

Good catch on the burr.  Are you saying the burr interfered with the 
initial tightening of the stem clamp, resulting in less than adequate 
tightening force, allowing slippage and gouging?   

Leah, can you confirm if a burr in the stem was/is present and if the bar 
sleeve is gouged?

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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>
> I'm still in the "it's the stem" camp. Reasons: 1. When she loosened it 
> and moved the bars up and down the noise was worse. 2. When she slid the 
> bars out there was a good bit of gouging on the sleeve like it was dragging 
> on something in there. 3. I saw a pic inside the stem and think I could see 
> the burr causing that drag. Conclusion: Boscos put a massive amount of 
> leverage on that narrow little clamp and I think the interface in there was 
> wonky enough to cause a tick/creak. 

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-23 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Jeremy

I agree with your explanation of the 'creaking' of sleeved bars.  Measuring 
a B177 & B132 & a 1988 Sakae Road Champion, the sleeve is about 1.0mm, 
probably slightly thicker to provide a sleeve ID < Bar OD for an 
interference fit to the bar.  I imagine the sleeve is heated and then 
placed on the bar, and the bar is then bent.

I agree there is no reason to doubt the integrity of the sleeve/bar and 
would not avoid using a sleeved bar.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ 

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 11:38:04 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> I think the mechanical explanation with the sleeve would be that the joint 
> between the sleeve and bar is not uniform for the length of the sleeve and 
> thus there is some portion where it is not tight, so the sleeve and bar can 
> move ever so slightly in relation to one another under stress, producing a 
> creaking sound. To be honest I'm not familiar with the manufacturing 
> methods, whether the sleeve is crimped into place or bonded or both. But it 
> seems reasonable that either way there was some small area, probably near 
> the ends of the sleeve, where small movements might be possible. That would 
> explain why people have been successful in addressing the creak by either 
> dripping lubricant or adhesive (loctite or similar) into the sleeve/bar 
> joint. That it was able to penetrate at all suggests there might looser 
> areas and that lubricating the two surfaces or adhering them to reduce 
> movement suggests that small displacements in these areas would be the 
> cause of the noise.  
>
> Again, I still trust the quality of Nitto products and the small amount of 
> creaking I've experienced doesn't make me fear that my bar or stem is going 
> to fail.  
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 7:18:29 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> When you install the bolt & triangular nut, can you post a picture of the 
>> "shelf" without any bolt or nut present??   If the shelf shows no signs of 
>> missing metal where the hex bolt contacted it, then the hole for the bolt 
>> was drilled lower than it should have been drilled.   This is a possible 
>> source of the less than adequate tightening of the stem clamp
>>
>> I still do not see a mechanistic explanation of why the sleeve on the bar 
>> is a source of the ticking noise.I have used a B177 (Noddle) and a B132 
>> (radonnuer) in 225mm quill technomics without any sounds.
>>
>> Without an explanation, other than it happened to others, I would be 
>> weary of ruling out use of sleeved bars.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ. 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 7:03:04 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, Jeremy, I think I’m doing 52 steel Boscos on the Platypus. I don’t 
>>> want bars with sleeves anymore. 
>>>
>>> For anyone who needs to know: If you want to rid the Technomic stem of 
>>> the hex nut and replace it with the triangular nut from Riv, make sure you 
>>> also order the bolt. Neither Mark nor I thought I’d need the bolt, but you 
>>> do, because the threads are different from one another. Get both bolt and 
>>> stem. I just placed my order for the bolt, so hopefully it comes in a few 
>>> days and this is the end of the matter! 
>>>
>>> Leah 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad 
>>>
>>> > On Jun 20, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > I can't say that I've read every post in the thread but just to echo 
>>> something Benz said: in my experience creaking is endemic with all of the 
>>> various sleeved Nitto bars, so if the bar in question is of the sleeved 
>>> variety that's probably the culprit in my mind. If I remember correctly the 
>>> sleeved aluminum Boscos that I rode from 2014-2016 creaked, and those were 
>>> clamped in a 4 bolt removable faceplate threadless stem of the appropriate 
>>> size, so one of the most solid bar/stem connections out there. The M151 
>>> drop bars i currently have on my Rambouillet with a Technomic Deluxe creak 
>>> when I pedal out of the saddle. I've always just lived with it because it 
>>> didn't really bother me and didn't seem to get worse or otherwise make me 
>>> feel like something was about to fail. YMMV, of course, but if avoiding the 
>>> creak was a priority and the other solutions suggested didn't work, I'd 
>>> consider going back to the steel Boscos (which I assume weren't sleeved) or 
>>> other non sleeved bars. 
>>> > 
>>> > -Jeremy Till 
>>> > Sacramento, CA 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-23 Thread Joe Bernard

I'm still in the "it's the stem" camp. Reasons: 1. When she loosened it and 
moved the bars up and down the noise was worse. 2. When she slid the bars out 
there was a good bit of gouging on the sleeve like it was dragging on something 
in there. 3. I saw a pic inside the stem and think I could see the burr causing 
that drag. Conclusion: Boscos put a massive amount of leverage on that narrow 
little clamp and I think the interface in there was wonky enough to cause a 
tick/creak. 

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-23 Thread Jeremy Till

I think the mechanical explanation with the sleeve would be that the joint 
between the sleeve and bar is not uniform for the length of the sleeve and 
thus there is some portion where it is not tight, so the sleeve and bar can 
move ever so slightly in relation to one another under stress, producing a 
creaking sound. To be honest I'm not familiar with the manufacturing 
methods, whether the sleeve is crimped into place or bonded or both. But it 
seems reasonable that either way there was some small area, probably near 
the ends of the sleeve, where small movements might be possible. That would 
explain why people have been successful in addressing the creak by either 
dripping lubricant or adhesive (loctite or similar) into the sleeve/bar 
joint. That it was able to penetrate at all suggests there might looser 
areas and that lubricating the two surfaces or adhering them to reduce 
movement suggests that small displacements in these areas would be the 
cause of the noise.  

Again, I still trust the quality of Nitto products and the small amount of 
creaking I've experienced doesn't make me fear that my bar or stem is going 
to fail.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 7:18:29 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Leah
>
> When you install the bolt & triangular nut, can you post a picture of the 
> "shelf" without any bolt or nut present??   If the shelf shows no signs of 
> missing metal where the hex bolt contacted it, then the hole for the bolt 
> was drilled lower than it should have been drilled.   This is a possible 
> source of the less than adequate tightening of the stem clamp
>
> I still do not see a mechanistic explanation of why the sleeve on the bar 
> is a source of the ticking noise.I have used a B177 (Noddle) and a B132 
> (radonnuer) in 225mm quill technomics without any sounds.
>
> Without an explanation, other than it happened to others, I would be weary 
> of ruling out use of sleeved bars.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ. 
>
>
> On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 7:03:04 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Jeremy, I think I’m doing 52 steel Boscos on the Platypus. I don’t 
>> want bars with sleeves anymore. 
>>
>> For anyone who needs to know: If you want to rid the Technomic stem of 
>> the hex nut and replace it with the triangular nut from Riv, make sure you 
>> also order the bolt. Neither Mark nor I thought I’d need the bolt, but you 
>> do, because the threads are different from one another. Get both bolt and 
>> stem. I just placed my order for the bolt, so hopefully it comes in a few 
>> days and this is the end of the matter! 
>>
>> Leah 
>>
>> Sent from my iPad 
>>
>> > On Jun 20, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > I can't say that I've read every post in the thread but just to echo 
>> something Benz said: in my experience creaking is endemic with all of the 
>> various sleeved Nitto bars, so if the bar in question is of the sleeved 
>> variety that's probably the culprit in my mind. If I remember correctly the 
>> sleeved aluminum Boscos that I rode from 2014-2016 creaked, and those were 
>> clamped in a 4 bolt removable faceplate threadless stem of the appropriate 
>> size, so one of the most solid bar/stem connections out there. The M151 
>> drop bars i currently have on my Rambouillet with a Technomic Deluxe creak 
>> when I pedal out of the saddle. I've always just lived with it because it 
>> didn't really bother me and didn't seem to get worse or otherwise make me 
>> feel like something was about to fail. YMMV, of course, but if avoiding the 
>> creak was a priority and the other solutions suggested didn't work, I'd 
>> consider going back to the steel Boscos (which I assume weren't sleeved) or 
>> other non sleeved bars. 
>> > 
>> > -Jeremy Till 
>> > Sacramento, CA 
>> > 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-20 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Leah

When you install the bolt & triangular nut, can you post a picture of the 
"shelf" without any bolt or nut present??   If the shelf shows no signs of 
missing metal where the hex bolt contacted it, then the hole for the bolt 
was drilled lower than it should have been drilled.   This is a possible 
source of the less than adequate tightening of the stem clamp

I still do not see a mechanistic explanation of why the sleeve on the bar 
is a source of the ticking noise.I have used a B177 (Noddle) and a B132 
(radonnuer) in 225mm quill technomics without any sounds.

Without an explanation, other than it happened to others, I would be weary 
of ruling out use of sleeved bars.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ. 


On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 7:03:04 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Yes, Jeremy, I think I’m doing 52 steel Boscos on the Platypus. I don’t 
> want bars with sleeves anymore. 
>
> For anyone who needs to know: If you want to rid the Technomic stem of the 
> hex nut and replace it with the triangular nut from Riv, make sure you also 
> order the bolt. Neither Mark nor I thought I’d need the bolt, but you do, 
> because the threads are different from one another. Get both bolt and stem. 
> I just placed my order for the bolt, so hopefully it comes in a few days 
> and this is the end of the matter! 
>
> Leah 
>
> Sent from my iPad 
>
> > On Jun 20, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Jeremy Till  > wrote: 
> > 
> > I can't say that I've read every post in the thread but just to echo 
> something Benz said: in my experience creaking is endemic with all of the 
> various sleeved Nitto bars, so if the bar in question is of the sleeved 
> variety that's probably the culprit in my mind. If I remember correctly the 
> sleeved aluminum Boscos that I rode from 2014-2016 creaked, and those were 
> clamped in a 4 bolt removable faceplate threadless stem of the appropriate 
> size, so one of the most solid bar/stem connections out there. The M151 
> drop bars i currently have on my Rambouillet with a Technomic Deluxe creak 
> when I pedal out of the saddle. I've always just lived with it because it 
> didn't really bother me and didn't seem to get worse or otherwise make me 
> feel like something was about to fail. YMMV, of course, but if avoiding the 
> creak was a priority and the other solutions suggested didn't work, I'd 
> consider going back to the steel Boscos (which I assume weren't sleeved) or 
> other non sleeved bars. 
> > 
> > -Jeremy Till 
> > Sacramento, CA 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-20 Thread Joe Bernard

I never in a million years would have guessed the bolt would be different, too. 
Oops!

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-20 Thread Leah Peterson

Yes, Jeremy, I think I’m doing 52 steel Boscos on the Platypus. I don’t want 
bars with sleeves anymore.

For anyone who needs to know: If you want to rid the Technomic stem of the hex 
nut and replace it with the triangular nut from Riv, make sure you also order 
the bolt. Neither Mark nor I thought I’d need the bolt, but you do, because the 
threads are different from one another. Get both bolt and stem. I just placed 
my order for the bolt, so hopefully it comes in a few days and this is the end 
of the matter!

Leah

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> On Jun 20, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> 
> I can't say that I've read every post in the thread but just to echo 
> something Benz said: in my experience creaking is endemic with all of the 
> various sleeved Nitto bars, so if the bar in question is of the sleeved 
> variety that's probably the culprit in my mind. If I remember correctly the 
> sleeved aluminum Boscos that I rode from 2014-2016 creaked, and those were 
> clamped in a 4 bolt removable faceplate threadless stem of the appropriate 
> size, so one of the most solid bar/stem connections out there. The M151 drop 
> bars i currently have on my Rambouillet with a Technomic Deluxe creak when I 
> pedal out of the saddle. I've always just lived with it because it didn't 
> really bother me and didn't seem to get worse or otherwise make me feel like 
> something was about to fail. YMMV, of course, but if avoiding the creak was a 
> priority and the other solutions suggested didn't work, I'd consider going 
> back to the steel Boscos (which I assume weren't sleeved) or other non 
> sleeved bars.
> 
> -Jeremy Till
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-20 Thread Jeremy Till

I can't say that I've read every post in the thread but just to echo something 
Benz said: in my experience creaking is endemic with all of the various sleeved 
Nitto bars, so if the bar in question is of the sleeved variety that's probably 
the culprit in my mind. If I remember correctly the sleeved aluminum Boscos 
that I rode from 2014-2016 creaked, and those were clamped in a 4 bolt 
removable faceplate threadless stem of the appropriate size, so one of the most 
solid bar/stem connections out there. The M151 drop bars i currently have on my 
Rambouillet with a Technomic Deluxe creak when I pedal out of the saddle. I've 
always just lived with it because it didn't really bother me and didn't seem to 
get worse or otherwise make me feel like something was about to fail. YMMV, of 
course, but if avoiding the creak was a priority and the other solutions 
suggested didn't work, I'd consider going back to the steel Boscos (which I 
assume weren't sleeved) or other non sleeved bars.

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-20 Thread Joe Bernard

I think that's possible, Ray. I also have a theory that the stem ovalized a bit 
when clamping on the new ever-so-slightly-smaller bar, but I saw a burr inside 
that stem that the bar may have been dragging and creaking on.

Which reminds me, we need a nice tall quill stem with an open face clamp!  

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

Thanks Joe and Benz. 

Leah sent the videos. 
She said she could find any sharp edges or burrs that would have made the 
gouge. 
It’s possible there was a chip or bit of shavings that made the gouge and 
possibly contributed to the noise. 

Ray

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-20 Thread Benz, Sunnyvale, CA

On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 11:09:18 AM UTC-7, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> Either way, I get the same results. 
> And sometimes I click download and it just reopens the thread.  
>
>
Ray, Leah's videos didn't play on my iPhone nor iPad, but was fine when 
downloaded and played on the computer. I have no idea what's the issue is, 
but this is a solution that worked for me.

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-20 Thread Joe Bernard

Ray, I saw a video where she loosened the clamp a bit and moved the bars up and 
down..the noise was rather astonishing. I don't know what's causing that 
particular sleeve to make such a racket with that particular stem, but the 
dollop of Boeshield she added seems to have solved it. 

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

Either way, I get the same results. 
And sometimes I click download and it just reopens the thread.  

Thank you 

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-20 Thread Leah Peterson

When you open them it should offer you “view” or “download”. Click download. 
Should work! 

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I get a triangle with a slash through it when I try to watch the videos. 

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

Leah, just out of curiosity, was your headlight contributing to the ticking?
If it was loose enough for parts to fall off, it may be adding to the vexing 
sound. 

Ray

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-19 Thread Benz, Sunnyvale, CA

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 1:21:45 PM UTC-7, Doug Hansford wrote:
>
> Mark,
> The same thoughts went through my head today as I drove my 2002 Toyota 
> 4Runner that has more than 205,000 miles on it. It runs so well and is 
> solid and just well-made. But, it has a few rattles and quirks that I can 
> live with that don't affect the performance or safety. Leah's bike and 
> components are of course much newer and less complex than a 4Runner but 
> nothing is exempt from slight noises and rattles. The stem/handlebar 
> connection is important but if it is truly just a noise that doesn't seem 
> to be leading to failure then one has to decide if they can or cannot live 
> with it. When I start hearing a noise like that it's hard to unhear it or 
> ignore it though. Oh to be on my BMX bike again not caring about the 
> details.
> Doug
>

LOL! I'm quite sensitive to odd noises. One time, one minute after getting 
into her car, I even picked out that something was amiss with the engine 
because it didn't sound right. Despite the car being her daily driver (and 
so she should be most familiar with it), she didn't hear anything strange. 
I had to stop the car, open the hood, poke around, and show her that airbox 
cover was not seated correctly. It's a curse! :)

Strangely enough, even if I hate creaks and rattles, I quite enjoy some 
bicycle noises. Like Campagnolo drivetrains that are never as quiet as 
Shimano's, the slight tick-tick-tick of Sturmey-Archer IGHs, the distinct 
hum of knobby tires on dirt/gravelly roads, or the wao-wao-wao of 
deep-section wheels run at high speeds. These are endearing sounds that 
invoke great memories for me.

Back to Leah's problem, I think *sleeved* Nitto handlebars are known to be 
prone to creaks. The solution, as Leah found out, is to introduce a bit of 
a lube between the handlebar and sleeve, so the metal-on-metal contact and 
motion do not produce aggravating sounds (even if the contact and motion 
are still present). Introducing the lube doesn't degrade performance, but 
is still a hack. I would have used some sort of Loctite low-viscosity 
retaining compound, or get the non-sleeved version if available.

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-19 Thread Leah Peterson

I did another 10 mile loop again last night and no ticking/creaking or 
anything. While I was out, I got an email from Soma saying they forwarded my 
email (which had videos that I hope show the situation) to Nitto and they hope 
to hear back this weekend. I’m glad Nitto will know about it; stems and bars 
are rather important parts of a bike.

As far as the aluminum Bosco (I think someone asked me about it), yes, it is 
noticeably lighter than the cromo bar. However, I’m not sure I like it better. 
I can feel a little flex I don’t remember on the cromo and also I think I feel 
bumps through it. So, not sure the weight savings was worth it. But I do LOVE 
the 52 vs the 55. That was a huge, huge improvement. I think I’ll do 52 cromo 
Boscos on my upcoming Platypus. 

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> On Jun 19, 2020, at 2:23 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:
> 
> This thread brings to mind a solution from “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle 
> Maintenance”...
> ... beer can shim!   When his riding companion encountered a similar problem, 
> the author suggested cutting a shim piece out of the side of his freshly 
> emptied beer can.  The combination of soft metal and residual beer (Don’t 
> clean it!) would provide just the right amount of stickiness.  
> 
> Of course his traveling companion was mortified by the suggestion of fixing 
> his BMW with a chunk of a beer can which sets up a long discussion of 
> personality types, hired mechanics, thoughts about quality, etc.  Might be an 
> interesting personality litmus test.  Who’s willing to fix their Riv with a 
> chunk of a beer can and, who’s not?
> 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-19 Thread Surlyprof

This thread brings to mind a solution from “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle 
Maintenance”...
... beer can shim!   When his riding companion encountered a similar problem, 
the author suggested cutting a shim piece out of the side of his freshly 
emptied beer can.  The combination of soft metal and residual beer (Don’t clean 
it!) would provide just the right amount of stickiness.  

Of course his traveling companion was mortified by the suggestion of fixing his 
BMW with a chunk of a beer can which sets up a long discussion of personality 
types, hired mechanics, thoughts about quality, etc.  Might be an interesting 
personality litmus test.  Who’s willing to fix their Riv with a chunk of a beer 
can and, who’s not?

John

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Leah Peterson

Shoot, John, you’re right again - yes, I did think I heard the noise once or 
twice on 6.17 but it was rare. Sorry!

I’m still monitoring it. We’ll see what tonight brings. Thanks for all your 
help. I’m definitely better off having read this thread. 

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> 
> Leah
> 
> OK, I thought the tick came back on 6/17 10 mile ride.   If no tick, then use 
> the triangular nut you bought from RBW, since it will absolutely contact the 
> stem shelf and allow for bolt tightening without using a wrench.  
> 
> I still would NOT lube the stem/bar interface.  The link to St Sheldon 
> recommended Loctite which is not lube, but a fairly drastic correction.
> 
> Good luck, it's been a fun journey.
> 
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> Woodstown NJ
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Leah

OK, I thought the tick came back on 6/17 10 mile ride.   If no tick, then 
use the triangular nut you bought from RBW, since it will absolutely 
contact the stem shelf and allow for bolt tightening without using a 
wrench.  

I still would NOT lube the stem/bar interface.  The link to St Sheldon 
recommended Loctite which is not lube, but a fairly drastic correction.

Good luck, it's been a fun journey.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Joe Bernard

The problem for me if the stem/bar junction is ticking/creaking is I'll worry 
myself to death over it. It steers the bike, it's gotta look, feel and sound 
safe.

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Doug Hansford

Mark,
The same thoughts went through my head today as I drove my 2002 Toyota 
4Runner that has more than 205,000 miles on it. It runs so well and is 
solid and just well-made. But, it has a few rattles and quirks that I can 
live with that don't affect the performance or safety. Leah's bike and 
components are of course much newer and less complex than a 4Runner but 
nothing is exempt from slight noises and rattles. The stem/handlebar 
connection is important but if it is truly just a noise that doesn't seem 
to be leading to failure then one has to decide if they can or cannot live 
with it. When I start hearing a noise like that it's hard to unhear it or 
ignore it though. Oh to be on my BMX bike again not caring about the 
details.
Doug


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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Mark Roland

I have a slightly different view of the situation. The world is not 
perfect. Even Japanese manufacturing tolerances. Even Rivendell. But let's 
be clear, this is a high class problem, a slight ticking noise. As I 
understand it, the bars were never slipping in the stem. Nothing came with 
the wrong or defective parts. There was no suggestion that a dangerous 
situation was imminent. The setup was fine until the bar swap.

Bikes develop noises. Some are warnings. Some are simply annoyances. We fix 
the ones that tell us of possible danger ahead. We live with others or we 
make them go away. It appears this noise is a case of driving the rider 
crazy. I get that! It can really detract from enjoyment of the ride. 
(Although to keep my baseline, my '84 Trek 830 has so many creaks and 
squeaks that when I get on anything else it sounds like a mouse taking a 
pee on a cotton ball in comparison.)

Just by nature a steel bar is going to be different than an aluminum bar. 
It's even possible that at some point, the stem bolt was *overtightened*, 
resulting in an ever so slight deformation of the aluminum bar's clamp 
area. Who knows. I don't own a torque wrench, but could be useful in a 
situation like this.

I could be wrong, but I don't really see anything that screams danger or 
defect or negligence here, or poor quality control by Nitto or any 
responsibility on Rivendell's part--not that they might offer to help 
resolve the issue anyway, despite having, as Leah notes, procured the stem 
from another vendor as a favor. And, like a squeaky hinge, it seems that a 
little shot of lube has done the trick. Fingers crossed. ( A bit of a beer 
or soda can shim can also fill in, and will likely last longer than lube.)

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Joe 
>
> I would expect Nitto to have designed the tolerances of THEIR stem and 
> THEIR bar to mate every time, if both are labelled 25.4mm.  IF a problem 
> occurs, Then it is POOR manufacturing, and not a "Oh Well, that's how it 
> goes, we just have to accept it".  Certainty not what we expect from 
> Japanese quality for a pretty pricey stem, $99.99 on the Soma site.
>
> Based on what was stated, the noise still exists with the nut tightened 
> with a wrench holding it.  A shim would correct the dimensional mismatch 
> and is 1 solution. 
>
> These problems are typically a 'chicken/egg" problem, was the bar always 
> undersized or was the NEW stem oversized.  I suggest the stem is the 
> problem as it was the last change.  The bar can be measured for clamp area 
> diameter, 25.4mm per Nitto catalog & and ovality. 
>
> As others have pointed out, any liquid lubricate does not stop movement 
> due to dimensions not being correct.  
>
> Finally, I think RBW has some responsibility in this as they sold Leah the 
> 280mm quill Technomic and it appears to have an oversized stem clamp.  
> Grant is not shy about stating how close/well they work Nitto.  This is a 
> chance for them to prove it, help Leah with her problem so she is :
> 1.  a satisfied customer
> 2.  Does NOT have lingering fears of riding, due to noises made by the 
> manufacturer not adhering to tolerances.
> Note, I am faulting RBW for not knowing this when they sold it.  They 
> specified the correct size stem for the bar and there is no reason to check 
> it ahead of time
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Leah Peterson

John, what you say is true. Nitto products are expensive and should work 
perfectly. And even though you’re right and I should talk to Riv about this, I 
don’t think I can do it. If I discovered it was the bar (which I purchased from 
Rivendell’s website directly), I would definitely ask for their assistance. But 
it feels like the acquisition of this Soma stem was a favor to me, so I’m 
chickening out about complaining.

I’m still not sure which part is the defective party.

1. The SomaFab Nitto stem worked wonderfully with my 55 cromo Bosco bar.
2. I switched the 55 for the 52 aluminum Bosco and THAT’S when the noise 
started.
3. I then swapped stems to see what would happen. Replacing the Tall Boy with a 
regular Technomic stem and my new 52 aluminum bars = no noise.
4. Still not willing to leave well enough alone, I lubed the stem/bar interface 
and put Tall Boy back on the bike with new 52 aluminum Bosco (which was the 
setup in question) and no noise.

I fear I may never know. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 12:26 PM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Joe 
> 
> I would expect Nitto to have designed the tolerances of THEIR stem and THEIR 
> bar to mate every time, if both are labelled 25.4mm.  IF a problem occurs, 
> Then it is POOR manufacturing, and not a "Oh Well, that's how it goes, we 
> just have to accept it".  Certainty not what we expect from Japanese quality 
> for a pretty pricey stem, $99.99 on the Soma site.
> 
> Based on what was stated, the noise still exists with the nut tightened with 
> a wrench holding it.  A shim would correct the dimensional mismatch and is 1 
> solution. 
> 
> These problems are typically a 'chicken/egg" problem, was the bar always 
> undersized or was the NEW stem oversized.  I suggest the stem is the problem 
> as it was the last change.  The bar can be measured for clamp area diameter, 
> 25.4mm per Nitto catalog & and ovality. 
> 
> As others have pointed out, any liquid lubricate does not stop movement due 
> to dimensions not being correct.  
> 
> Finally, I think RBW has some responsibility in this as they sold Leah the 
> 280mm quill Technomic and it appears to have an oversized stem clamp.  Grant 
> is not shy about stating how close/well they work Nitto.  This is a chance 
> for them to prove it, help Leah with her problem so she is :
> 1.  a satisfied customer
> 2.  Does NOT have lingering fears of riding, due to noises made by the 
> manufacturer not adhering to tolerances.
> Note, I am faulting RBW for not knowing this when they sold it.  They 
> specified the correct size stem for the bar and there is no reason to check 
> it ahead of time
> 
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Joe

I would expect Nitto to have designed the tolerances of THEIR stem and
THEIR bar to mate every time, if both are labelled 25.4mm. IF a problem
occurs, Then it is POOR manufacturing, and not a "Oh Well, that's how it
goes, we just have to accept it". Certainty not what we expect from
Japanese quality for a pretty pricey stem, $99.99 on the Soma site.

Based on what was stated, the noise still exists with the nut tightened
with a wrench holding it. A shim would correct the dimensional mismatch
and is 1 solution.

These problems are typically a 'chicken/egg" problem, was the bar always
undersized or was the NEW stem oversized. I suggest the stem is the
problem as it was the last change. The bar can be measured for clamp area
diameter, 25.4mm per Nitto catalog & and ovality.

As others have pointed out, any liquid lubricate does not stop movement due
to dimensions not being correct.

Finally, I think RBW has some responsibility in this as they sold Leah the
280mm quill Technomic and it appears to have an oversized stem clamp.
Grant is not shy about stating how close/well they work Nitto. This is a
chance for them to prove it, help Leah with her problem so she is :
1. a satisfied customer
2. Does NOT have lingering fears of riding, due to noises made by the
manufacturer not adhering to tolerances.
Note, I am faulting RBW for not knowing this when they sold it. They
specified the correct size stem for the bar and there is no reason to check
it ahead of time

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Joe Bernard

I believe the situation is this, based on information I have: the steel bar fit 
in both of her stems just fine, and is ever-so-slightly bigger in diameter than 
her new alu Bosco, a phenomenon I also discovered whilst owning both bars. 
They're both nominally 25.4, but one is more and one less. 

What happened was Leah aka Bicycle Belle aka Lone Wolf Leah popped her 
new/smaller bar in that stem and it slightly ovalized around its new smaller 
host, creating a gap somewhere which the bar is responding to by ticking or 
creaking as the two metals try to move around in that nearly invisible gap. 
I've certainly seen this ovalizing before, but never had a noise problem with 
it. For the moment the T9 seems to have filled that space and the noise is 
gone. Yay!

Someone asked about the steel vs. aluminum Bosco. Her alu version is 52cm vs. 
the steel 55. 

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Leah

Based on everything so far, I think the problem is:

The stem clamp is oversized and not a 'true' 25.4mm clamp.  It results in 
insufficient clamp force on the AL bar allowing sipping, but provides 
enough force on the CrMo bar to hold it in place.

Why:  The Al bar does not creak in a Techonomic stem with a similar hex 
nut.  This indicates the bar center section is the correct diameter for a 
25.4mm stem clamp.  I am assuming the similar stem has a 25.4mm stem clamp

Possible Test:  The ticking should occur after you install the triangular 
nut, since insufficient bolt torque is not the direct cause.

Possible Solution:  Install a Nitto Shim (25.4 to 26) to counter the 
oversize clamp.  You can try only 1/2 the shim (it comes as split pair) and 
see if the tick stops.

There maybe issues with the bolt itself, but I can not think of the 
mechanism.

Don't mean to be short, got to get my house chores done.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Leah Peterson

Here is another thing someone PMd me that may be of interest. I have not done 
this yet, but it sounds like a good next step If the ticking returns: 

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/creaks.html#bars

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 16, 2020, at 10:15 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have the extra tall Nitto stem with 50 mm reach. SomaFab makes it, Riv got 
> it for and sold it to me and I love it. Everything seemed fine and then I 
> gave my Clementine that major makeover I’ve gone on about on a separate 
> thread. While I was lightening my bike I decided I should swap the cromo 55 
> Boscos for 52 aluminum Boscos. And those I love as well - they are perfect 
> for me.
> 
> However, I noticed I’ve developed a strange ticking in the bars. Yes, it’s 
> definitely from there, but what is NOT clear is if it’s the stem or the new 
> Boscos. I took a video tonight, and you can hear the sound. It happens 
> randomly, regardless of whether or not I’m pushing on my bars, but I can 
> *also* create the ticking by jostling the bars. I’ll include a video where 
> you can hear it in the next post. 
> 
> Anyway, let’s talk about the stem first. Two things:
> 1. When I slid my new aluminum Boscos into the clamp on my stem and went to 
> tighten the bolt, the bolt felt “stripped.” Which it could not possibly be, 
> and which I had never experienced before (I installed the 55 cromo bars with 
> no issue). Opposite the bolt is a nut that requires you to stabilize it with 
> a wrench while you use your hex key to tighten the clamp onto your bars. 
> Weird. 
> 
> 2. Can the ticking sound be because the stem is used to the cromo bar that 
> was installed prior, and now it won’t play well with another bar?
> 
> Bars. 
> 1. The aluminum bars have a sheath in the middle, where the clamp goes. Could 
> the sheath have something to do with the ticking sounds? I have heard Nitto 
> has QC issues. Could that be what I’m experiencing?
> 
> Videos and link to the stem in next post. One day, maybe I’ll get my bike 
> problems solved. Oh, how you all long for that day!
> Sorry! And thanks,
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-18 Thread Nick Payne

On Thursday, 18 June 2020 02:29:32 UTC+10, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>

The Technomic Deluxe uses the triangular nut you describe, but the taller 
Technomic stems come with a standard hex nut. There's supposed to be a lip 
that one of the flats of the hex nut bears against to stop it turning, but 
the lip is not very deep.



Nick



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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread Doug Hansford

Wrenching bikes as needed can be frustrating but it's fun too. Lone Wolf 
Leah you are tuned to every single noise a bike makes, just as I am. I 
think there was a time I didn't focus so much on noises; but, as I started 
installing and switching out parts I think I paid more attention to noises 
and such. I had to really torque a single bolt stem when I used the Bosco 
bars because they apply such force to the connection based on leverage I 
guess. I hope you get it solved.
Doug Hansford

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 3:48:36 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> George, my heart is warmed anyway!  Clearly I did not read that post 
> correctly! 
>
> I ordered the triangle nut from Riv already, but thank you. Also, you’re 
> the second person to have said you had a Tall Boy stem and got rid of it. 
> But why? I adore this tall stem and can’t get used to anything less now. I 
> had the 225 mm Technomic on this morning and I just hated it. 
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:43 PM, George Schick  > wrote:
>
> 
> OK, that's fine. Whatever you decide to do.  But I wasn't referring to the 
> entire stem, just the triangular nut and the bolt with it so you can 
> replace the ones that aren't working.  As far as the entire tall stem is 
> concerned, I used to have one of those so I went down to root around in my 
> parts box(es) and couldn't find it.  So I must've given it to someone else 
> in the past.
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 2:36:45 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> George, that’s so, so kind. I’m hoping to find another 280 mm tall stem, 
>> however. They’re rare like unicorns, so I’m guessing you have the 225 mm. 
>> But thank you so much - that was heart-warming. ❤️
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:16 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Leah - if you want one like Eric shows (the kind that's also on your 
>> son's bike) I have one on an unused Nitto stem I can let you have just for 
>> the asking.  Lemme know and I'll drop into an envelope.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:33:40 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this 
>>> stem - where do I get it?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is what you should have:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the 
>>> other Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased 
>>> new.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
>>> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
>>> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>>
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>>> 
>>> .
>>> 
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> ++1 on this.
>>>
>>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
>>> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
>>> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>>>
>>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
>>> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
>>> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:


> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>
> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
> spinning, 
> some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
> hold still

Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread George Schick

Leah - it all has to do with your frame dimensions and how high you want 
the bars to be.  I can't recall how I wound up with that stem in the first 
place, but it turned out to be way too long for the way I wanted to set up 
a particular bike.  So, at the first opportunity I passed it along to the 
next cyclist who needed it.


On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 2:48:36 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> George, my heart is warmed anyway!  Clearly I did not read that post 
> correctly! 
>
> I ordered the triangle nut from Riv already, but thank you. Also, you’re 
> the second person to have said you had a Tall Boy stem and got rid of it. 
> But why? I adore this tall stem and can’t get used to anything less now. I 
> had the 225 mm Technomic on this morning and I just hated it. 
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:43 PM, George Schick  > wrote:
>
> 
> OK, that's fine. Whatever you decide to do.  But I wasn't referring to the 
> entire stem, just the triangular nut and the bolt with it so you can 
> replace the ones that aren't working.  As far as the entire tall stem is 
> concerned, I used to have one of those so I went down to root around in my 
> parts box(es) and couldn't find it.  So I must've given it to someone else 
> in the past.
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 2:36:45 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> George, that’s so, so kind. I’m hoping to find another 280 mm tall stem, 
>> however. They’re rare like unicorns, so I’m guessing you have the 225 mm. 
>> But thank you so much - that was heart-warming. ❤️
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:16 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Leah - if you want one like Eric shows (the kind that's also on your 
>> son's bike) I have one on an unused Nitto stem I can let you have just for 
>> the asking.  Lemme know and I'll drop into an envelope.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:33:40 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this 
>>> stem - where do I get it?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is what you should have:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the 
>>> other Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased 
>>> new.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
>>> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
>>> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>>
>>>
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>>> 
>>> .
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> ++1 on this.
>>>
>>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
>>> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
>>> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>>>
>>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
>>> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
>>> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:


> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>
> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
> spinning, 
> some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
> hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your 
> problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>

 Laing 

>>>
>>> -- 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

George, my heart is warmed anyway!  Clearly I did not read that post 
correctly! 

I ordered the triangle nut from Riv already, but thank you. Also, you’re the 
second person to have said you had a Tall Boy stem and got rid of it. But why? 
I adore this tall stem and can’t get used to anything less now. I had the 225 
mm Technomic on this morning and I just hated it. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:43 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> 
> OK, that's fine. Whatever you decide to do.  But I wasn't referring to the 
> entire stem, just the triangular nut and the bolt with it so you can replace 
> the ones that aren't working.  As far as the entire tall stem is concerned, I 
> used to have one of those so I went down to root around in my parts box(es) 
> and couldn't find it.  So I must've given it to someone else in the past.
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 2:36:45 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> George, that’s so, so kind. I’m hoping to find another 280 mm tall stem, 
>> however. They’re rare like unicorns, so I’m guessing you have the 225 mm. 
>> But thank you so much - that was heart-warming. ❤️
>> Leah
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:16 PM, George Schick  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Leah - if you want one like Eric shows (the kind that's also on your son's 
>>> bike) I have one on an unused Nitto stem I can let you have just for the 
>>> asking.  Lemme know and I'll drop into an envelope.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:33:40 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
 The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem 
 - where do I get it?
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> Here is what you should have:
> 
> 
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> 
>> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the 
>> other Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were 
>> purchased new.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
 
>>> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
>>> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should 
>>> by all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>>> 
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>> 
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>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> 
> ++1 on this.
> 
> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten 
> the allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does 
> not rotate as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem 
> for the nut flat to line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
> 
> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to 
> prevent galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
> 
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> 
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>>> 
>>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on 
>>> it when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
>>> spinning, some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem 
>>> that you did not hold still while you were turning the Allen 
>>> wrench, that is likely your problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>> 
>> Laing 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread George Schick

OK, that's fine. Whatever you decide to do.  But I wasn't referring to the 
entire stem, just the triangular nut and the bolt with it so you can 
replace the ones that aren't working.  As far as the entire tall stem is 
concerned, I used to have one of those so I went down to root around in my 
parts box(es) and couldn't find it.  So I must've given it to someone else 
in the past.


On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 2:36:45 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> George, that’s so, so kind. I’m hoping to find another 280 mm tall stem, 
> however. They’re rare like unicorns, so I’m guessing you have the 225 mm. 
> But thank you so much - that was heart-warming. ❤️
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:16 PM, George Schick  > wrote:
>
> 
> Leah - if you want one like Eric shows (the kind that's also on your son's 
> bike) I have one on an unused Nitto stem I can let you have just for the 
> asking.  Lemme know and I'll drop into an envelope.
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:33:40 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem 
>> - where do I get it?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Here is what you should have:
>>
>> 
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the 
>> other Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased 
>> new.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
>> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
>> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>>
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>>  
>> 
>> .
>> 
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> ++1 on this.
>>
>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
>> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
>> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>>
>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
>> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
>> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 

 Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
 when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, 
 some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
 hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your 
 problem - the stem bolt was never tight.

>>>
>>> Laing 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

George, that’s so, so kind. I’m hoping to find another 280 mm tall stem, 
however. They’re rare like unicorns, so I’m guessing you have the 225 mm. But 
thank you so much - that was heart-warming. ❤️
Leah

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:16 PM, George Schick  wrote:
> 
> 
> Leah - if you want one like Eric shows (the kind that's also on your son's 
> bike) I have one on an unused Nitto stem I can let you have just for the 
> asking.  Lemme know and I'll drop into an envelope.
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:33:40 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem - 
>> where do I get it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
 
>>> Here is what you should have:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
 
 Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
 Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> ++1 on this.
>>> 
>>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not 
>>> rotate as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the 
>>> nut flat to line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>>> 
>>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
>>> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to 
>>> prevent galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>>> 
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
 
> 
> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
> 
> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
> spinning, some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that 
> you did not hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that 
> is likely your problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
 
 Laing 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread George Schick

Leah - if you want one like Eric shows (the kind that's also on your son's 
bike) I have one on an unused Nitto stem I can let you have just for the 
asking.  Lemme know and I'll drop into an envelope.


On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:33:40 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem 
> - where do I get it?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Here is what you should have:
>
> 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
> Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
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>  
> 
> .
> 
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> 
> ++1 on this.
>
> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>
> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>>>
>>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
>>> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, 
>>> some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
>>> hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your 
>>> problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>>>
>>
>> Laing 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

There are gazillions of stems out there that use a standard nut like this. I’ve 
got a few. The triangle nut is perhaps more elegant, but there’s no reason why 
a hex nut won’t work just as well at the simple job of clamping down on the 
‘bars.

--Eric Norris
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YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 10:44 AM, aeroperf  wrote:
> 
> 
> When Leah posted about buying her stem, I went out and got one, too (and 
> within a week of her posting).
> Here’s the photo of mine - still in the plastic bag (because I’m going to 
> re-sell it and I wanted it pristine.
> As you can see, it’s a hex nut.
> If I were going to install mine, I would remove the nut entirely and put a 
> star washer under it, then hold it with a wrench to tighten.
> 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread Joe Bernard

This whole boondoggle reminds me that I'm SO over these stems - no matter how 
pretty they are - and want Analog to make a slightly taller w(Right) Stem in 
silver with the open face clamp and sell it to Leah.*

*I can't add to any of the advice already given here, this is solely a 
complaining post. 

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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread ted


"Don’t know why this stem chewed up my bars ... "
I don't think this is uncommon. Nitto sells a tool to help avoid it.
https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-tool-4-stem-handlebar-clamp-spreader/stem_tool_nitto__870-900-11_870-900-11/product
A large flat head screwdriver, or some such, can sometimes work instead.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Riv shows out of stock so I called and luckily, their crackerjack mechanic 
> answered the phone. Mark said lubricate the interface (stem/bar) and use 
> wrench to stabilize nut. Meanwhile, he found a triangular nut to sell me, 
> so I’ll try that, too. The shelf that the hex nut snugs up against is too 
> shallow. Plus the aluminum must have worn a bit, making the issue worse 
> (that explains the shavings in my hand).
>
> Don’t know why this stem chewed up my bars or why the ticking, but these 
> are reasonable steps. I’m scared of something as important as a stem being 
> defective, and I’d almost just spring for a new one, but there are none 
> available online.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:37 AM, lconley > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Rivendell sells them for $5, or you can just put a wrench on the nut you 
> have.
>
> Laing.
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 12:35:21 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
>> Rivendell? Anybody who sells Nitto parts should be able to get one.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
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>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem 
>> - where do I get it?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Here is what you should have:
>>
>> 
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the 
>> other Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased 
>> new.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
>> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
>> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
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>> 
>> .
>> 
>>
>>
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>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> ++1 on this.
>>
>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
>> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
>> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>>
>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
>> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
>> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 

 Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
 when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, 
 some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
 hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your 
 problem - the stem bolt was never tight.

>>>
>>> Laing 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

Thanks, Ted! You are right, it’s a Delux, and that’s the stem that gets the 
triangle nut. However, it doesn’t come in the 280mm height. I’m hopelessly 
ruined for shorter stems now; the 280 is where it’s at! 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:53 AM, ted  wrote:
> 
> 
> The photo Eric posted looks like a Technomic Delux. What you are describing 
> sounds like a plain Technomic.
> If you want to find a 50mm Technomic Delux, I suggest trying Ben's / 
> Milwaukee cycles
> https://www.benscycle.com/
>
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-ntc-dx-technomic-deluxe-long-quill-stem/stem_nitto_ntc-dxlong_870/product
>
> https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-technomic-l225-long-quill-stem/stem_nitto_technomicl225_870/product
> Excellent source for all things Nitto.
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 9:33:40 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem - 
>> where do I get it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
 
>>> Here is what you should have:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
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>>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
 
 Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
 Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> 
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>> 
>> 
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>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> ++1 on this.
>>> 
>>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not 
>>> rotate as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the 
>>> nut flat to line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>>> 
>>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
>>> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to 
>>> prevent galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>>> 
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
 
> 
> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
> 
> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
> spinning, some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that 
> you did not hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that 
> is likely your problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
 
 Laing 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

Riv shows out of stock so I called and luckily, their crackerjack mechanic 
answered the phone. Mark said lubricate the interface (stem/bar) and use wrench 
to stabilize nut. Meanwhile, he found a triangular nut to sell me, so I’ll try 
that, too. The shelf that the hex nut snugs up against is too shallow. Plus the 
aluminum must have worn a bit, making the issue worse (that explains the 
shavings in my hand).

Don’t know why this stem chewed up my bars or why the ticking, but these are 
reasonable steps. I’m scared of something as important as a stem being 
defective, and I’d almost just spring for a new one, but there are none 
available online.

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>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:37 AM, lconley  wrote:
> 
> Rivendell sells them for $5, or you can just put a wrench on the nut you have.
> 
> Laing.
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 12:35:21 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>> Rivendell? Anybody who sells Nitto parts should be able to get one.
>> 
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem - 
>>> where do I get it?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
 Here is what you should have:
 
 
 
 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
 
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the 
> other Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were 
> purchased new.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>>  wrote:
>> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
>> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should 
>> by all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>> 
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
 
 ++1 on this.
 
 The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten 
 the allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does 
 not rotate as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for 
 the nut flat to line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
 
 I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
 designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to 
 prevent galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
 
 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ
 
 On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>> 
>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on 
>> it when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
>> spinning, some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem 
>> that you did not hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, 
>> that is likely your problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
> 
> Laing 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread ted

The photo Eric posted looks like a Technomic Delux. What you are describing 
sounds like a plain Technomic.
If you want to find a 50mm Technomic Delux, I suggest trying Ben's / 
Milwaukee cycles
https://www.benscycle.com/
   
https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-ntc-dx-technomic-deluxe-long-quill-stem/stem_nitto_ntc-dxlong_870/product
   
https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-technomic-l225-long-quill-stem/stem_nitto_technomicl225_870/product
Excellent source for all things Nitto.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 9:33:40 AM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem 
> - where do I get it?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Here is what you should have:
>
> 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
> Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
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>  
> 
> .
> 
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> 
> ++1 on this.
>
> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>
> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>>>
>>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
>>> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, 
>>> some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
>>> hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your 
>>> problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>>>
>>
>> Laing 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread franklyn

Some models of stem have the triangular nut, whereas others have the 
hexagonal nuts. It's not dangerous as long as it's torqued to the right 
spec. I also had one Nitto stem where the hexagonal nut can't quite stay 
put against the ledge, but I have no issue using a wrench to hold it while 
tightening the bolt down.

Franklyn

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 9:33:40 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem 
> - where do I get it?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Here is what you should have:
>
> 
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
> Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
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>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> ++1 on this.
>
> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>
> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>>>
>>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
>>> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, 
>>> some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
>>> hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your 
>>> problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>>>
>>
>> Laing 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread lconley

Rivendell sells them for $5, or you can just put a wrench on the nut you 
have.

Laing.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 12:35:21 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:

> Rivendell? Anybody who sells Nitto parts should be able to get one.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem 
> - where do I get it?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Here is what you should have:
>
> 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
>
> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
> Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy   
>
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Leah Peterson  > wrote:
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> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> 
> ++1 on this.
>
> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not rotate 
> as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the nut flat to 
> line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>
> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>>>
>>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
>>> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from spinning, 
>>> some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that you did not 
>>> hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is likely your 
>>> problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>>>
>>
>> Laing 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

2020-06-17 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

Rivendell? Anybody who sells Nitto parts should be able to get one.

--Eric Norris
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> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem - 
> where do I get it?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Here is what you should have:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --Eric Norris
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>>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
>>> Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
 side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
 all means get the proper Nitto nut.
 
 --Eric Norris
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>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>> > > wrote:
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>> 
>> ++1 on this.
>> 
>> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
>> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not 
>> rotate as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the 
>> nut flat to line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
>> 
>> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
>> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
>> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
>> 
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>> 
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
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>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>> 
>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
>> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
>> spinning, some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that 
>> you did not hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is 
>> likely your problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>> 
>> Laing 
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Re: [RBW] Problems with Nitto stems and bars?

The one on my teenager’s Clem has that. I’d love to have it for this stem - 
where do I get it?

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here is what you should have:
> 
> 
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
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> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
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>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>> 
>> Eric, that’s the nut that came with it, and it’s the same nut on the other 
>> Technomic stem I have. How can it be wrong? Both stems were purchased new.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 17, 2020, at 9:29 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
 
>>> That is the wrong nut. Nitto uses a triangular shaped nut on the back 
>>> side. I don’t know that what you’re using is dangerous, but you should by 
>>> all means get the proper Nitto nut.
>>> 
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyonly...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>> 
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>> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:39 AM, 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
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> 
> ++1 on this.
> 
> The nut flats contact a 'flat' in the casting, and when you tighten the 
> allen in front, the 2 flats contact each other, and the nut does not 
> rotate as you tighten it.  Visually check the BACK of the stem for the 
> nut flat to line up with the stem casting flat to line up.
> 
> I would do this before greasing or oiling anything.  The bar is NOT 
> designed to move or rotate in the clamp and needs grease only to prevent 
> galvanic corrosion (dis-simiiar metals like steel in Al)
> 
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> 
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Ok, what of the strangely spinning bolt? 
>>> 
>>> Some Nitto stems have a nut on the backside that needs a wrench on it 
>>> when you turn the Allen wrench on the front bolt to keep it from 
>>> spinning, some do not. If you have a nut on the back of the stem that 
>>> you did not hold still while you were turning the Allen wrench, that is 
>>> likely your problem - the stem bolt was never tight.
>> 
>> Laing 
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