[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Crank considerations?

Will be interested to see what build kit Riv puts together for this.

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Matt B.]

+1 that table seems spot on. Saddle height 81, QB size 64


On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 3:55:17 AM UTC-5, Corwin wrote:
>
> The production run of Quickbeams seems to match the suggested size 
> recommendations. My PBH is 88. Saddle height is approximately 78 cm. My 
> Quickbeam is a 62cm frame. When I test rode the Qucikbeam at Rivendell in 
> late 2004, Grant said I could ride a 60 or 62 cm Quickbeam - exactly as the 
> table suggests.
>
> Namaste,
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 3:43:16 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>>
>> Hmm ... was the actual production Quickbeam & SimpleOne recommended 
>> sizing different from what that reader article posted?  I was not able to 
>> find any other PBH- or saddle height-based QB sizing info.
>>
>> On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 6:03:25 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting.  It's interesting reading the old pre-release stuff, 
>>> and comparing to how it came out in the end.  Did Curt and Joe actually 
>>> build the first QBs, or did they go straight to Panasonic?  Anybody know?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Corwin]

The production run of Quickbeams seems to match the suggested size 
recommendations. My PBH is 88. Saddle height is approximately 78 cm. My 
Quickbeam is a 62cm frame. When I test rode the Qucikbeam at Rivendell in 
late 2004, Grant said I could ride a 60 or 62 cm Quickbeam - exactly as the 
table suggests.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 3:43:16 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> Hmm ... was the actual production Quickbeam & SimpleOne recommended sizing 
> different from what that reader article posted?  I was not able to find any 
> other PBH- or saddle height-based QB sizing info.
>
> On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 6:03:25 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for posting.  It's interesting reading the old pre-release stuff, 
>> and comparing to how it came out in the end.  Did Curt and Joe actually 
>> build the first QBs, or did they go straight to Panasonic?  Anybody know?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Christopher Murray]

Howdy,

Production Quickbeams were all made in Japan by Panasonic. A few pre-production 
frames were built in the USA. There is a picture of one floating around the 
internet and two more might exist but nobody seems to know for sure. 

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Once again I am rambling

Depending on price and geometry, sign me up, but I can get a custom in 
truly my size for this as well, so it depends on a lot :|

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

I lied. the 51

Hope to see geometry sheet to confirm. 54.4 tt sounds good

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> Awaiting pricing and more info but sign me up for a 53cm blue plz...
>

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Awaiting pricing and more info but sign me up for a 53cm blue plz...

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Joe Bernard]

I just saw the Frank Jones headtube in the new newsletter. It uses the RBW 
Custom lugs. Seriously. 

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[tc]

Hmm ... was the actual production Quickbeam & SimpleOne recommended sizing 
different from what that reader article posted?  I was not able to find any 
other PBH- or saddle height-based QB sizing info.

On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 6:03:25 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting.  It's interesting reading the old pre-release stuff, 
> and comparing to how it came out in the end.  Did Curt and Joe actually 
> build the first QBs, or did they go straight to Panasonic?  Anybody know?
>

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[iamkeith]

Thanks for posting.  It's interesting reading the old pre-release stuff, 
and comparing to how it came out in the end.  Did Curt and Joe actually 
build the first QBs, or did they go straight to Panasonic?  Anybody know?

On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 3:10:10 PM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> I finally found the original Reader that referenced recommended Quickbeam 
> sizes:
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr27_pg45.jpg
>
> It will be interesting to see how Frank Jones Sr sizing compares.
>

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[tc]

I finally found the original Reader that referenced recommended Quickbeam 
sizes:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/rr27_pg45.jpg

It will be interesting to see how Frank Jones Sr sizing compares.

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

I had a dream the BLUG was updated about the bike LOL

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Oops I mucked up 'In about 6 wks, by about Dec 10,'

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> Thanks Jim - cool decal, but yes quite a tease.  I had corresponded with 
> Will about this bike a while back and have asked for more pics.  At that 
> time he said bikes would be ready end of December.  I can't remember where 
> the Dec 6 date was referenced.
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[tc]

Thanks Jim - cool decal, but yes quite a tease.  I had corresponded with 
Will about this bike a while back and have asked for more pics.  At that 
time he said bikes would be ready end of December.  I can't remember where 
the Dec 6 date was referenced.

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Hopefully we hear more this week. December 6th is coming...

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Such a tease. 
Looks like that's a tube with colors/decals as I see Roadini under it.
I hope the color will be more interesting than that ;0

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Jim M.]

I've been notified that the photo was too large to load for some. Here's 
the link: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9B8J6xZW6XDC3pOw1


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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Jim M.]

Stopped by RBW today and picked up a new shirt in green and blue. Very nice 
shirts, and I'm a fan of the multicolored buttons. Grant and crew were 
installing a 75-in tv screen in the showroom. They plan to scroll photos 
and also have it available for when guest speakers present. While there, I 
got this sneak peek at the new single speed:




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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

I wonder when we'll know more info? December is almost here

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Yep, Wasn’t sure how much wider you’re going for and not familiar with the GB 
rims but the aero 20mm isn’t far off from the CR18 22mm but definitely closer 
to the narrower VO PBP 19mm.

I’ve had success fitting the same sets of tires (from 28s up to actual 35s) on 
a set of CR18s and also 19mm Mavic Open Sports with no issue but I guess if 
going wider than that the wider rim would certainly be preferable 

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

The Aero measure 20mm.

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

If the Velocity Aero isn’t too narrow for you the Velocity Wheel Dept. still 
has track wheels on sale under $200... I almost got a set as a lightweight 
complement to an overkill chukker set I already bought last year to beat up on 
my single speed. (The polo wheelset also still on sale for the same price)
http://store.velocityusa.com/c/specials_track-wheels
Looks like the aero sets are now limited to black ano or white powder coated 
though.

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

A few wrenches in the gears..
VO PBP is too narrow. GB Abeille is too narrow. 
The 32H of the PAPILLON are currently sold out, due in January..

The cheapest wheelset I've spec'd via Bens Cycles:
CR18 32/32H
Milwaukee (rebranded Formula?) fixed/free hubs 32/32H ($100 for the set.
Sapim Race spokes
$230 shipped (Ben's offering free shipping and labor on this)

Ben's also has the Gran Compe hubs.

Aesthetically, I like the Velo Orange hubs and the Ene Ciclo - Ene Ciclo 
are hard to find in the states. Is it 'worth it' , I dont know, that's only 
for me to decide I guess.
I don't know if the more expensive hubs are worth the cost? I always 
wonder..

The CR18 rims get good reviews though some people say they are 'soft' ? I 
dont know, people like them, too.
The step up from them are the TB14 which get good reviews as well...A 
cheaper Grand Bois built build..

GB Papillon 32/32
Ene Ciclo 32/32
DT Competition spokes

Total is $440 shipped from Japan

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Philip Williamson]

At $150, it’s not a lot more $$$ than any other nice hub. You can build a nice 
wheelset for much less than the $600 for the other wheels you were looking at.
I think it would be quite cool.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

I also haven't put it out of mind to get the 120mm Grand Bois cassette hub 
for future versatility with the wheels..just a lot more $$$

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Clayton.sf]

May void warranty, other than that it should not be issue.

Best,
Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 11:53:07 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
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> Any reason I can't use a freewheel on a hub meant for cog and lockring? I 
> know there arent enough threads for the freewheel to thread on completely 
> but I've done it in the past..
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[Belopsky]

Any reason I can't use a freewheel on a hub meant for cog and lockring? I 
know there arent enough threads for the freewheel to thread on completely 
but I've done it in the past..

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Deacon Patrick]

In essence, Jim, the 3-speed would be an effort to make the Hunqapillar a 
Hunqa-beam. Quickbeam and Treebeard. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Jim Bronson]

I wish I had bought the last 68 Quickbeam that came up on this list.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Patrick of the Moore, Quickbeam fixed. Still toying with trying the
> 3-speed Sturmey AW on the Hunqapillar, with Melvin tensioner and 24/38
> chainrings on the Hunqapillar.
>
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Deacon Patrick]

Patrick of the Moore, Quickbeam fixed. Still toying with trying the 3-speed 
Sturmey AW on the Hunqapillar, with Melvin tensioner and 24/38 chainrings on 
the Hunqapillar.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick: What did you decide on for your transmission -- AW 3 speed? Please
post photos of new build; I'd like to see how the tires clear the frame.

As for tires: I find that my typical 25 to 40 lb rear load is noticeably
smoother on a 60 psi 29 mm* Elk Pass than on the slightly wider Kojak.
Note: I carried similar loads on 22 mm 559 X "one inch" Specialized Turbos
at 90 psi, and these worked surprisingly well, except that I kept breaking
a spoke on the drive side near the rim. *And* I had to be very careful over
our 4" expansion cracks, which was annoying. Otherwise, the Turbos were
very smooth tires, and fast. I commuted on them for years. It's suppleness,
IME.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Plush, wide tires are not only about engine weight, and that may be a
> realitively minor factor within a 60-100 pound range or so. In my
> experience it’s mostly about the roads and trails I ride. The rougher the
> road or trail, the plusher, wider I want my tire. And on the Hunqapillar,
> it often happens that with a load of groceries (60 pounds or so), that the
> ride is smoother because of the weight, because of the tires, than when I
> ride the same bike, same engine, same road, same tires, same pressures,
> same speeds without the extra weight — which I tend to attribute to the
> Racing Ralphs not being as light in the casing as the Compass, and so more
> weight kicks them into even more plush mode.
>
> For comparison’s sake, and so you needn’t talk just to yourself, grin, for
> the same price point my local builder is building Paul hub, Synergy
> Cliffhanger 36 hole for my rugged winter/mountain Quickbeam.
>
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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Deacon Patrick]

Right. Why would you? Different person, different rides, different needs.

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Definitely not going with the Cliffhanger. That's a beast of a rim that I 
do not need.

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Deacon Patrick]

Plush, wide tires are not only about engine weight, and that may be a 
realitively minor factor within a 60-100 pound range or so. In my experience 
it’s mostly about the roads and trails I ride. The rougher the road or trail, 
the plusher, wider I want my tire. And on the Hunqapillar, it often happens 
that with a load of groceries (60 pounds or so), that the ride is smoother 
because of the weight, because of the tires, than when I ride the same bike, 
same engine, same road, same tires, same pressures, same speeds without the 
extra weight — which I tend to attribute to the Racing Ralphs not being as 
light in the casing as the Compass, and so more weight kicks them into even 
more plush mode.

For comparison’s sake, and so you needn’t talk just to yourself, grin, for the 
same price point my local builder is building Paul hub, Synergy Cliffhanger 36 
hole for my rugged winter/mountain Quickbeam.

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Further me talking to myself.

I will be running 32mm tires at the minimum. As I understand, TB14 would be 
good (I've ridden them this way, it works well). The VO PBP are only 19mm 
wide, not ideal to go with wider tires on that.
TB14 are 23mm wide. Grand Bois has some other rims that are 23mm wide. A 
part of me wants to go 36/36 but there is no need really, I weigh 170 ;)

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Here's some info for those interested..

GRAN COMPE HUB fixed/free, silver, 32H 16600 yen
Abeille 32H  16000 yen
Dt competition spokes 6400 yen
Wheel assembly fee 6000 yen
The shipping fee to US is about 12000 yen
Total about 57000 yen


So that's about ~$502USD total for a wheelset. Shipping is $105.
Not sure if I want to do this just to get the Grand Bois rims.
The other thought is TB14 rims, Velo Orange PBP, or on the very cheap, 
CR-18 -

Any thoughts? Thank you!

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Yes, I's bikes.
Shipping depends on size but more so seems to depend on weight. It varies.
They're great.

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 4:16:13 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> You talkin about I's bikes?
>
> Looks like they have Hetres for 38$US
> How's their shipping to US? You like I's? They nice?
>
> I can vouch for the 650b black label GB rims 36 hole. My tires practically 
> auto-bead-seat on them upon inflation.
> They look nice and have been great rims for me so far. I use LX hubs and 
> SON hubs. Sapim Race spokes or those DT Swiss spokes.
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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[lum gim fong]

You talkin about I's bikes?

Looks like they have Hetres for 38$US
How's their shipping to US? You like I's? They nice?

I can vouch for the 650b black label GB rims 36 hole. My tires practically 
auto-bead-seat on them upon inflation.
They look nice and have been great rims for me so far. I use LX hubs and 
SON hubs. Sapim Race spokes or those DT Swiss spokes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

I've reached out to Grand Bois about a wheel build for this, we'll see what 
the total is. I really like the looks of the GB rims (Abeille)..have not 
decided on a hub..lookin at

Gran Compe: http://www.diacompe.co.jp/images/material/original28_img005.jpg

or

Ene Ciclo: http://www.diacompe.co.jp/images/material/original35_img012.jpg

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Deacon Patrick]

For my Quickbeam winter coversion to fixed/ss flip flop, I decided to go a step 
up from Surly’s hubs to Paul’s High Flange 120 track hubs, which are prices 
about half way between Surly and Phil. Phil sounded mighty futsy about what 
cogs fit his hubs, whereas Paul had no qualms about the dingle cog and got very 
excited when I described how much I’ll be beating up their work. Grin.

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[George Schick]

I loved 'em, too.  But I was too heavy for them - kept braking the rear 
axles.  Finally gave up and replaced 'em with a set of PW's.

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 1:34:19 PM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> sure are...they make me almost  want to clean up my record hubs on my 
> peugeot (which are frankly disgusting   right now) but that ain't happening 
> before spring. 
>
> I've always loved the older classic campy hubs up to and including 1990 
> C-record hubs. They are s smooth and so pleasing to the eye in a way 
> that a lot of modern hubs are not..a .lot of the modern hubs are kind of 
> boxy where these older hubs with the hourglass bodies and those curved 
> skewers...man I could go on and on. 
>
> Laing , you have to put those on a bike or at least  keep them as a desk 
> ornament :)
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 10:55:03 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Oh, purty!
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 6:33 AM, lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> I have been saving these for a few years, I think a single speed would 
>>> be a good place to use them.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Ryan Fleming]

sure are...they make me almost  want to clean up my record hubs on my 
peugeot (which are frankly disgusting   right now) but that ain't happening 
before spring. 

I've always loved the older classic campy hubs up to and including 1990 
C-record hubs. They are s smooth and so pleasing to the eye in a way 
that a lot of modern hubs are not..a .lot of the modern hubs are kind of 
boxy where these older hubs with the hourglass bodies and those curved 
skewers...man I could go on and on. 

Laing , you have to put those on a bike or at least  keep them as a desk 
ornament :)

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 10:55:03 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Oh, purty!
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 6:33 AM, lconley  
> wrote:
>
>> I have been saving these for a few years, I think a single speed would be 
>> a good place to use them.
>>
>> Laing
>>  
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, purty!

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 6:33 AM, lconley  wrote:

> I have been saving these for a few years, I think a single speed would be
> a good place to use them.
>
> Laing
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[lconley]

The idea was to increase the angle of the drive side spokes and reduce the 
necessary tension. It did, but barely, it really did not result in a 
stronger wheel, but they sure are unique. I had a friend in the seventies 
who had them and I always wanted a pair. I ran across these on E-bay a few 
years back and bought them in a weak moment. Probably paid way too much, 
but less than the cost of a single Phil Wood cassette.

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 10:50:25 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> those look like Campy hi-lo flange Record hubs. Very pretty. I wonder what 
> the functional reason is for the hi-lo rear hub.
>
> I use record low flange 36-hole with a 126 OL on my PX-10 (horizontal 
> dropouts) which is now a single-speed with some original French parts , 
> some Japanese , a little of this, a little of that, ratty white paint.  . 
> Sure, I wouldn't mind a QB or SO from Riv ...or this new iteration, but I 
> think the PX-10  rides and works great as a single-speed.In spite of the 43 
> or 44 old paint job  Enough so that I'm not jonesing for a 4th Riv with all 
> due respect to RBW.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:33:29 AM UTC-6, lconley wrote:
>>
>> I have been saving these for a few years, I think a single speed would be 
>> a good place to use them.
>>
>> Laing
>>  
>>
>>
>> 
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Ryan Fleming]

Ooops missed org post. Those are mighty pretty hubs

*NOS Campagnolo  Record Hi-Lo Hubs. They made a couple of runs of these in 
the seventies. Fairly rare. The rear is a wide six at present, I have a new 
5 speed Campy axle and a variety of Campy axle spacers that I will use,*


 I had to have my rear wheel redished  and I'm using a Velo-orange 
threadless bottom bracket(stronglight BB and 93 cranks threads were 
toasted). Point is older record hubs will work just fine for a single-speed 
application

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 9:50:25 AM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> those look like Campy hi-lo flange Record hubs. Very pretty. I wonder what 
> the functional reason is for the hi-lo rear hub.
>
> I use record low flange 36-hole with a 126 OL on my PX-10 (horizontal 
> dropouts) which is now a single-speed with some original French parts , 
> some Japanese , a little of this, a little of that, ratty white paint.  . 
> Sure, I wouldn't mind a QB or SO from Riv ...or this new iteration, but I 
> think the PX-10  rides and works great as a single-speed.In spite of the 43 
> or 44 old paint job  Enough so that I'm not jonesing for a 4th Riv with all 
> due respect to RBW.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:33:29 AM UTC-6, lconley wrote:
>>
>> I have been saving these for a few years, I think a single speed would be 
>> a good place to use them.
>>
>> Laing
>>  
>>
>>
>> 
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Ryan Fleming]

those look like Campy hi-lo flange Record hubs. Very pretty. I wonder what 
the functional reason is for the hi-lo rear hub.

I use record low flange 36-hole with a 126 OL on my PX-10 (horizontal 
dropouts) which is now a single-speed with some original French parts , 
some Japanese , a little of this, a little of that, ratty white paint.  . 
Sure, I wouldn't mind a QB or SO from Riv ...or this new iteration, but I 
think the PX-10  rides and works great as a single-speed.In spite of the 43 
or 44 old paint job  Enough so that I'm not jonesing for a 4th Riv with all 
due respect to RBW.



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>
> I have been saving these for a few years, I think a single speed would be 
> a good place to use them.
>
> Laing
>  
>
>
> 
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[lconley]

It can be made perfect with the proper width bottom bracket.

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 9:34:20 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> So if I understand correctly the chainline may not be perfect but close 
> enough?
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 9:20:14 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>>
>> NOS Campagnolo  Record Hi-Lo Hubs. They made a couple of runs of these in 
>> the seventies. Fairly rare. The rear is a wide six at present, I have a new 
>> 5 speed Campy axle and a variety of Campy axle spacers that I will use,
>>
>> In the past, I have just put a single speed freewheel on a 5 speed hub 
>> and the proper BB on a single (or converted double) crank, no spacers 
>> needed.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 9:09:38 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>>> What are these?
>>> I have a set of Campy hubs (rear needs a new axle) - can I use that to 
>>> build a single speed wheelset? Would require some spacing to make the 
>>> chainline work right, right? (since this is a 5/6 speed 120mm hub?)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 8:33:29 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:

 I have been saving these for a few years, I think a single speed would 
 be a good place to use them.

 Laing
  


 
  

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

So if I understand correctly the chainline may not be perfect but close 
enough?

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 9:20:14 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> NOS Campagnolo  Record Hi-Lo Hubs. They made a couple of runs of these in 
> the seventies. Fairly rare. The rear is a wide six at present, I have a new 
> 5 speed Campy axle and a variety of Campy axle spacers that I will use,
>
> In the past, I have just put a single speed freewheel on a 5 speed hub and 
> the proper BB on a single (or converted double) crank, no spacers needed.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 9:09:38 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
>> What are these?
>> I have a set of Campy hubs (rear needs a new axle) - can I use that to 
>> build a single speed wheelset? Would require some spacing to make the 
>> chainline work right, right? (since this is a 5/6 speed 120mm hub?)
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 8:33:29 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>>>
>>> I have been saving these for a few years, I think a single speed would 
>>> be a good place to use them.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>  
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[lconley]

NOS Campagnolo  Record Hi-Lo Hubs. They made a couple of runs of these in 
the seventies. Fairly rare. The rear is a wide six at present, I have a new 
5 speed Campy axle and a variety of Campy axle spacers that I will use,

In the past, I have just put a single speed freewheel on a 5 speed hub and 
the proper BB on a single (or converted double) crank, no spacers needed.

Laing

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 9:09:38 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:

> What are these?
> I have a set of Campy hubs (rear needs a new axle) - can I use that to 
> build a single speed wheelset? Would require some spacing to make the 
> chainline work right, right? (since this is a 5/6 speed 120mm hub?)
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 8:33:29 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>>
>> I have been saving these for a few years, I think a single speed would be 
>> a good place to use them.
>>
>> Laing
>>  
>>
>>
>> 
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

What are these?
I have a set of Campy hubs (rear needs a new axle) - can I use that to 
build a single speed wheelset? Would require some spacing to make the 
chainline work right, right? (since this is a 5/6 speed 120mm hub?)

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 8:33:29 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> I have been saving these for a few years, I think a single speed would be 
> a good place to use them.
>
> Laing
>  
>
>
> 
>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Max S]

That IS a nice looking, nicely spec’ed bike! Scorcher style! 

My stable is saturated, so I won’t go for it, but hope it goes to a good home! 
:-) 

- Max 

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[lconley]

I have been saving these for a few years, I think a single speed would be a 
good place to use them.

Laing
 


 

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a like new set of vintage Suzue fixfree hubs (front and rear 
bolt-on), $40 plus shipping. Let me know off list.



On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 1:44:02 PM UTC-8, Doug Bloch wrote:
>
> I️ am very happy with my Suzue Pro Max track hubs. 
>
>
> https://www.benscycle.com/suzue-pro-max-sb-rear-track-hub---fixfree---32-hole/rear_hub_suzue__441-127/product

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Doug Bloch]

That San Diego one is a dream bike for me. Hope someone here buys it!

Doug 

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[commutour]

In San Diego:

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/bik/d/rivendell-quickbeam-58cm/6388320346.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Seeing that the Sun CR-18 rims are so cheap, I may go budget build all 
around. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Doug Bloch]

I️ am very happy with my Suzue Pro Max track hubs.

https://www.benscycle.com/suzue-pro-max-sb-rear-track-hub---fixfree---32-hole/rear_hub_suzue__441-127/product

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Anyone going wild and putting a Compass crank on 
theirs? 
https://www.compasscycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/CranCmCrank1_A_1352-600x600.jpg

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

I totally do not need one but as I think I said earlier in the thread, I 
enjoyed my single speed Bob Jackson Vigorelli but wish it had larger tire 
clearances..The Riv is going to be 2x the cost however..
We'll see what the sizing is like..


On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 1:34:31 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> By the way, I think I saw Grant say that the chainstays on the Blue Lug 
> single speed frames are going to be fillet brazed at the bottom bracket 
> (?)  I'm sure that adds to the cost a bit but, in case anybody doesn't 
> think it's worth it or is bothered by the idea of a non-lugged connection, 
> here's a picture of my '99 double-joe AR, with a similar detail.   I often 
> stare at it thinking  about how beautiful it is - by far my favorite detail 
> on a frame with lots of nice details.  These sound like they're going to be 
> pretty neat frames, and I can't wait to see them.  People such as Patrick, 
> who are considering, should think hard...  ;-)
>
>
> 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[iamkeith]

By the way, I think I saw Grant say that the chainstays on the Blue Lug 
single speed frames are going to be fillet brazed at the bottom bracket 
(?)  I'm sure that adds to the cost a bit but, in case anybody doesn't 
think it's worth it or is bothered by the idea of a non-lugged connection, 
here's a picture of my '99 double-joe AR, with a similar detail.   I often 
stare at it thinking  about how beautiful it is - by far my favorite detail 
on a frame with lots of nice details.  These sound like they're going to be 
pretty neat frames, and I can't wait to see them.  People such as Patrick, 
who are considering, should think hard...  ;-)





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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[iamkeith]

On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 5:37:31 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> From what Grant's written about the coming bike.. "• 120 rear spacing, new 
> rear dropouts---track style...two eyes for rak & fendr. No der tab. Angle 
> like Quickbeam's, long, too." it may work
>
>
>
Judging by the number of posts you're making in this thread, I'm wagering 
you're going to get one of these!  Hope so.  And, if you do, you definitely 
need to get one of those 120 OLD mini-cassette hubs, and try out the 6 
speed, wide-range gearing.   You have me obsessing about it now, but I want 
someone else to be the guinea pig.  I still kind of think it works, 
though...

I just played around with my Quickbeam a bit, to see what would really be 
feasible.  The chainstay length can be anywhere from a wee bit less than 
17" to a wee bit more than 18" but, because of difficulty installing or 
removing the chain with rear facing dropouts, the minimum length might kind 
of unusable.  Tire clearance is compromised at the shorter length, too.  
Who knows what the Blue Lug bike will be, but I can't imagine it being too 
different, and the principle is still the same.

My earlier off-the cuff guess about gear range was a bit optimistic, but 
here is one that looks like a reasonable scenario, while keeping the 
effective chainstay length (number in parenthesis) between 18" and 17".  
This would use a 50 link chain with no half-link:

44:12 (17.82")
44:18 (17.13")
38:18 (17.93")
38:24 (17.22")
32:24 (18.00")
32:30 (17.26")

Still a pretty good range, better for on-road than off, so I personally 
might look for a lower overall range.   Just had to get this out of my head 
for now. Here's a tool that lets you calculate chainstay length for 
different gear combinations, in case anyone else wants to play around with 
it:  http://eehouse.org/fixin/index.php





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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

They're straight gauge if anyone is wondering. Dang.

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

A good option for a no-nonsense 
wheel 
https://velo-orange.com/collections/wheels/products/grand-cru-fixed-gear-wheelset-700c
 
, I am not sure what spokes are used (I know it says DT swiss, I am 
assuming straight gauge, but I have asked.)

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

The VO HF hubs are also a good 
option. 
https://velo-orange.com/collections/hubs/products/grand-cru-fixed-hub-rear

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

What are you looking to poll?

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[tc]

Is there a poll function available on this group or do we have to make and 
insert our own?

On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 8:00:13 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> ...says Will in the November 9th (today) Blug post.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

>From what Grant's written about the coming bike.. "• 120 rear spacing, new 
rear dropouts---track style...two eyes for rak & fendr. No der tab. Angle 
like Quickbeam's, long, too." it may work

On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 11:34:03 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 5:55:49 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Anyone think this could work? 120mm O.L.D. 
>> https://janheine.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/hub_gb_hf_5sp_6sp.jpg
>>
>> Could use spacers and the like if you want to run a true single speed 
>> setup or could maybe make a 5speed work too>?
>>
>
> I was tempted to make an obvious comment like "if you don't already own 
> the frame, and what you really want is gears, then why"   but, on 
> further reflection, I think this might actually be genius! * If* the 
> bike's chainstay length and math happened to align, you could achieve a 
> very clean looking stop-and-swap geared bike with a lot of useful range.
>
> Theoretically, you could use a triple front and three cogs in back which 
> would give you three very distinct gear ratios, which would barely even 
> change the effective chainstay length at all, and which would all having 
> perfect chainlines.
>
> Something like:  46/12, 38/20, & 30/28.
>
> But... *depending on where the hub happened to fall* along the length of 
> the dropout slot when in those gears... and *assuming Riv makes the slots 
> long enough to take up an 8-tooth difference *like they did with the QB 
> and SO...  you could potentially add a 4th rear cog at the end, which could 
> ALSO work with the smaller chainring.  For this example, a 36. 
>
> If you used the remaining space on the cassette driver to adjust the 
> side-to-side location of the cogs so that their chainlines fell exactly 
> half way between those of the chainrings , EVERY chainring would work with 
> two distinct cogs.  6 gears total! (You'd never have a "perfect" chainline 
> in any gear combination, but that doesn't seem to be an issue in practice 
> anyway.)
>
> So that would potentially give you something like:  46/12, 46/20, 38/20, 
> 38/28, 30/28 & 30/36.  Or, stated as ratios, 1:  3.83, 2.3, 1.9, 1.36, 1.07 
> & 0.83.
>
> I suppose that smaller increments would work too, if necessary.  Just make 
> sure you get quick release axles, or you'll never even bother taking the 
> time to swap and take advantage of it.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[iamkeith]

On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 5:55:49 AM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Anyone think this could work? 120mm O.L.D. 
> https://janheine.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/hub_gb_hf_5sp_6sp.jpg
>
> Could use spacers and the like if you want to run a true single speed 
> setup or could maybe make a 5speed work too>?
>

I was tempted to make an obvious comment like "if you don't already own the 
frame, and what you really want is gears, then why"   but, on further 
reflection, I think this might actually be genius! * If* the bike's 
chainstay length and math happened to align, you could achieve a very clean 
looking stop-and-swap geared bike with a lot of useful range.

Theoretically, you could use a triple front and three cogs in back which 
would give you three very distinct gear ratios, which would barely even 
change the effective chainstay length at all, and which would all having 
perfect chainlines.

Something like:  46/12, 38/20, & 30/28.

But... *depending on where the hub happened to fall* along the length of 
the dropout slot when in those gears... and *assuming Riv makes the slots 
long enough to take up an 8-tooth difference *like they did with the QB and 
SO...  you could potentially add a 4th rear cog at the end, which could 
ALSO work with the smaller chainring.  For this example, a 36. 

If you used the remaining space on the cassette driver to adjust the 
side-to-side location of the cogs so that their chainlines fell exactly 
half way between those of the chainrings , EVERY chainring would work with 
two distinct cogs.  6 gears total! (You'd never have a "perfect" chainline 
in any gear combination, but that doesn't seem to be an issue in practice 
anyway.)

So that would potentially give you something like:  46/12, 46/20, 38/20, 
38/28, 30/28 & 30/36.  Or, stated as ratios, 1:  3.83, 2.3, 1.9, 1.36, 1.07 
& 0.83.

I suppose that smaller increments would work too, if necessary.  Just make 
sure you get quick release axles, or you'll never even bother taking the 
time to swap and take advantage of it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[EasyRider]

The long horizontal dropouts on my 53cm Rosco Bubbe road were a big reason 
I bought it. Some day I'll reinvent it as a single speed. It's a 1x8 now, 
and replaced an old Trek 330 road bike I had converted to fixed/free 12 
years earlier.

But even with horizontal dropouts it's a compromise as a singlespeed frame. 
The rear dropouts are 130mm, not 120mm, and because the frame can accept a 
large tire (700x42) the tricky part is chainring selection. I'd guess that 
40t or 42t is the biggest the bike could use while clearing the chainstay, 
achieving good chainline, and keeping the q-factor comfortable for me. On 
the other hand, a dedicated 120mm frame would allow larger chainrings. Not 
that I need 'em!


On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 12:21:51 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The best rear fork end for ss or fixed is the long horizontal, sloped so 
> that your rear brake pads (if you use a rear caliper) remain more or less 
> aligned with the rim when you move the wheel back and forth. 
>
> I'd much rather have track ends on a ss/fixed frame than verticals, but 
> I'd much rather have long horizontals than track ends.
>
> Rivendell, please take note!
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Yep, that's also a possibility. Personally I like the hub body of the Grand 
Bois more

On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 9:38:30 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Tavan wrote:
>
> There's also the one from SunXCD, http://sunxcd.net/hubs/ - I use one in 
> my commuter bike and like it.
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 5:44:40 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Incorrect. 
>> http://www.cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/gb_lfqr_R120126.html
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Jeremy Tavan]

There's also the one from SunXCD, http://sunxcd.net/hubs/ - I use one in my 
commuter bike and like it.

On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 5:44:40 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Incorrect. 
> http://www.cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/gb_lfqr_R120126.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Incorrect. 
http://www.cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/gb_lfqr_R120126.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Steve Palincsar]

No, because they're not selling it anymore.


On 11/14/2017 07:55 AM, Belopsky wrote:
Anyone think this could work? 120mm 
O.L.D. https://janheine.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/hub_gb_hf_5sp_6sp.jpg






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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Anyone think this could work? 120mm 
O.L.D. https://janheine.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/hub_gb_hf_5sp_6sp.jpg

Could use spacers and the like if you want to run a true single speed setup 
or could maybe make a 5speed work too>?

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Grant wrote about this back on 10/23, it was re-posted earlier in this 
thread. These are the Blue Lug single-speed frames.

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

I dont know if they are the prettiest..the second photo looks nice. What 
are they?

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Patrick Moore]

And, they're the prettiest cranks ever made, IMO.

But surely, you don't think I was entirely serious?

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Why not?
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Belopsky 
> wrote:
>
>> Really? Why
>>
>> On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 8:25:32 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> One of these, for sure:
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Belopsky  wrote:
>>>
 What are your all thoughts on a crankset? My last bike had a 144mm BCD
 crankset, which made finding chainrings a bit hard but also a bit 
 expensive.
 Sugino XD or similar? I had a TA Pro 5 Vis crankset but i stripped the
 threads on it so that's out..

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Patrick Moore]

Why not?

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Belopsky  wrote:

> Really? Why
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 8:25:32 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> One of these, for sure:
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Belopsky  wrote:
>>
>>> What are your all thoughts on a crankset? My last bike had a 144mm BCD
>>> crankset, which made finding chainrings a bit hard but also a bit expensive.
>>> Sugino XD or similar? I had a TA Pro 5 Vis crankset but i stripped the
>>> threads on it so that's out..
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Really? Why

On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 8:25:32 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> One of these, for sure:
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Belopsky  > wrote:
>
>> What are your all thoughts on a crankset? My last bike had a 144mm BCD 
>> crankset, which made finding chainrings a bit hard but also a bit expensive.
>> Sugino XD or similar? I had a TA Pro 5 Vis crankset but i stripped the 
>> threads on it so that's out..
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[tc]

No - I've seen no details.  Just to get the conversation going I made a 
huge assumption that cost would be that of the blue lug single.  That may 
be wildly off.

On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 6:13:56 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:
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> Are we sure that the single speed is the blue lug single speed?
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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[tc]

LOL - yes, wouldn't the guys a Riv love to have me run the front 
office...$2,915 it is.

On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 4:41:24 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> You gave yourself a $1000 discount
>
> $1400 + $1515 = $2915
>
> you said it is $1915
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 11:41:25 AM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>>
>> Singlespeeders, is your single worth $2,000 to you?
>>
>> Assuming whatever the 'classic single' is to be, the frame with headset 
>> and seatpost are included.  Toying around with what a parts list would be, 
>> and cost, assuming buying all new.  Here's what I came up with doing a very 
>> quick survey of pretty good parts:
>>
>> 1.  Headset: ($150) Included with frame?
>> 2.  Stem ($115)
>> 3.  Handlebar ($125)
>> 4.  Grips and/or tape ($50)
>> 5.  Front/Rear caliper brakes & pads ($125)
>> 6.  Front/Rear brake levers ($50)
>> 7.  Brake cables and end caps ($20)
>> 8.  Bottom bracket threaded English ($125)
>> 9.  Single-speed Crank / spindle / arms $175
>> 10. Pedals ($60)
>> 11. Chain ($20)
>> 12. Front wheel:  rim, spokes, 100mm hub ($200)
>> 13. Rear wheel: rim, spokes, 120mm flip-flop hub (single or dingle?) 
>> ($200)
>> 14. Front/rear tires & tubes (38mm w/out fender, 32 w/fender) ($100)
>> 15. Seatpost: 27.2mm ($85) Included with frame?
>> 16. Saddle ($150)
>>
>> Total parts: $1,515 ($1,750 if headset and seatpost not included with 
>> frame)
>>
>> Frame, headset, seatpost:  $1,400 (?)
>>
>> Total bike & parts:  ~ $1,915
>>
>> Shipping: $170 East of Mississippi
>>
>> TOTAL bike, parts, shipping:  ~ $2,085
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

What are your all thoughts on a crankset? My last bike had a 144mm BCD 
crankset, which made finding chainrings a bit hard but also a bit expensive.
Sugino XD or similar? I had a TA Pro 5 Vis crankset but i stripped the 
threads on it so that's out..

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

yep

On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 6:13:56 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Are we sure that the single speed is the blue lug single speed?
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
>
> On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 3:11:01 PM UTC-8, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> I really liked the math.  It reminds me of my own cost estimates.
>>
>> Sky in new west
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Belopsky  wrote:
>>
>> There are some really spendy parts on that list there and you are missing 
>> other items..
>> freewheel? Dingle cog (if WI) will be $$$
>>
>> The stem I'd get would cost me $50, the seatpost I'd get would cost me 
>> $50, the bars would cost me $50.
>> Some of these parts I'd find used so chances are it'd be even less.
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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

I want to know a rivvy build kit kit.

what would be the go-to hubs/wheels? Track standard from 
velocity? http://www.velocityusa.com/product/wheels/track/track-wheelset

These could be 
good 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mavic-CXP22-Track-Bike-Fixed-Gear-SingleSpeed-Wheels-Wheelset-Silver-Formula-Hub/331314937524?epid=1172847171=item4d23e8beb4:g:ZoIAAOxy4t1SfXSG
or
https://www.ebay.com/p/H-Plus-Son-Tb14-Silver-Formula-Track-Hubs-Fixed-Gear-Bike-Wheelset-Wheels-32h/1700181752?iid=331330877836&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3De3f84bc3390c416baf2b3a60b4e363b7%26pid%3D15%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D331927989885&_trksid=p2047675.c15.m1851

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Philip Williamson]

As others mentioned, you lost $1000 in your addition, and chose the 
spendiest parts possible (except for brake cables). A "statement" bike like 
that is automatically going to be overvalued, because you're buying 
prestige. 

My Quickbeam is worth about $1500 to the right person, with the original 
wheels. Is it worth $2000 to me? Easily, since I won't sell it for that. Is 
it worth $3000? Absolutely not, but I might pass on that offer, too. I 
bought the complete bike because it was much cheaper than building it from 
a frameset. Still, I've had several different wheelsets on it, and replaced 
the bars and stem right away. 

My Ross is worth maybe $300 to someone who doesn't know about bikes. It's 
worth about $150 to me for the wheels, brakes, and saddle.  

My theoretical "dreamy" build: 
1.  Headset: ($45) Included with frame?
2.  Stem ($50 - used steel salsa)
3.  Handlebar ($70 Nitto RM-3 from Japan)
4.  Grips and/or tape ($20)
5.  Front/Rear caliper brakes & pads ($100 TRP ReVox or whatever's on hand)
6.  Front/Rear brake levers ($20 or whatever's in the box)
7.  Brake cables ($30)
8.  BB ($25 Basic Shimano, or whatever I have on hand)
9.  Crankset (ebay D/A triple $80 or whatever's on hand)
10. Pedals ($45 or whatever I have on hand)
11. Chain ($20)
12. Front wheel: ($100 or whatever's on hand)
13. Rear wheel and cog: ($150 or whatever's on hand)
14. Front/rear tires & tubes (38mm w/out fender, 32 w/fender) ($125 
Compass, or whatever's on hand)
15. Seatpost: 27.2mm ($45) Included with frame?
16. Saddle ($75 used Brooks, or whatever's on hand)

So... depending on your parts bin, a build kit can run from $120 to $920.

Philip
www.biketinker.com 

On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 11:41:25 AM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> Singlespeeders, is your single worth $2,000 to you?
>
> Assuming whatever the 'classic single' is to be, the frame with headset 
> and seatpost are included.  Toying around with what a parts list would be, 
> and cost, assuming buying all new.  Here's what I came up with doing a very 
> quick survey of pretty good parts:
>
> 1.  Headset: ($150) Included with frame?
> 2.  Stem ($115)
> 3.  Handlebar ($125)
> 4.  Grips and/or tape ($50)
> 5.  Front/Rear caliper brakes & pads ($125)
> 6.  Front/Rear brake levers ($50)
> 7.  Brake cables and end caps ($20)
> 8.  Bottom bracket threaded English ($125)
> 9.  Single-speed Crank / spindle / arms $175
> 10. Pedals ($60)
> 11. Chain ($20)
> 12. Front wheel:  rim, spokes, 100mm hub ($200)
> 13. Rear wheel: rim, spokes, 120mm flip-flop hub (single or dingle?) ($200)
> 14. Front/rear tires & tubes (38mm w/out fender, 32 w/fender) ($100)
> 15. Seatpost: 27.2mm ($85) Included with frame?
> 16. Saddle ($150)
>
> Total parts: $1,515 ($1,750 if headset and seatpost not included with 
> frame)
>
> Frame, headset, seatpost:  $1,400 (?)
>
> Total bike & parts:  ~ $1,915
>
> Shipping: $170 East of Mississippi
>
> TOTAL bike, parts, shipping:  ~ $2,085
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Clayton.sf]

Are we sure that the single speed is the blue lug single speed?

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 3:11:01 PM UTC-8, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> I really liked the math.  It reminds me of my own cost estimates.
>
> Sky in new west
>
> On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Belopsky  
> wrote:
>
> There are some really spendy parts on that list there and you are missing 
> other items..
> freewheel? Dingle cog (if WI) will be $$$
>
> The stem I'd get would cost me $50, the seatpost I'd get would cost me 
> $50, the bars would cost me $50.
> Some of these parts I'd find used so chances are it'd be even less.
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Sky Coulter]

I really liked the math.  It reminds me of my own cost estimates.

Sky in new west

> On Nov 13, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Belopsky  wrote:
> 
> There are some really spendy parts on that list there and you are missing 
> other items..
> freewheel? Dingle cog (if WI) will be $$$
> 
> The stem I'd get would cost me $50, the seatpost I'd get would cost me $50, 
> the bars would cost me $50.
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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

There are some really spendy parts on that list there and you are missing 
other items..
freewheel? Dingle cog (if WI) will be $$$

The stem I'd get would cost me $50, the seatpost I'd get would cost me $50, 
the bars would cost me $50.
Some of these parts I'd find used so chances are it'd be even less.

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Ryan Fleming]

you might wanna recheck your math 
;)

On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 1:41:25 PM UTC-6, tc wrote:
>
> Singlespeeders, is your single worth $2,000 to you?
>
> Assuming whatever the 'classic single' is to be, the frame with headset 
> and seatpost are included.  Toying around with what a parts list would be, 
> and cost, assuming buying all new.  Here's what I came up with doing a very 
> quick survey of pretty good parts:
>
> 1.  Headset: ($150) Included with frame?
> 2.  Stem ($115)
> 3.  Handlebar ($125)
> 4.  Grips and/or tape ($50)
> 5.  Front/Rear caliper brakes & pads ($125)
> 6.  Front/Rear brake levers ($50)
> 7.  Brake cables and end caps ($20)
> 8.  Bottom bracket threaded English ($125)
> 9.  Single-speed Crank / spindle / arms $175
> 10. Pedals ($60)
> 11. Chain ($20)
> 12. Front wheel:  rim, spokes, 100mm hub ($200)
> 13. Rear wheel: rim, spokes, 120mm flip-flop hub (single or dingle?) ($200)
> 14. Front/rear tires & tubes (38mm w/out fender, 32 w/fender) ($100)
> 15. Seatpost: 27.2mm ($85) Included with frame?
> 16. Saddle ($150)
>
> Total parts: $1,515 ($1,750 if headset and seatpost not included with 
> frame)
>
> Frame, headset, seatpost:  $1,400 (?)
>
> Total bike & parts:  ~ $1,915
>
> Shipping: $170 East of Mississippi
>
> TOTAL bike, parts, shipping:  ~ $2,085
>

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Bill Lindsay]

You gave yourself a $1000 discount

$1400 + $1515 = $2915

you said it is $1915



On Monday, November 13, 2017 at 11:41:25 AM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> Singlespeeders, is your single worth $2,000 to you?
>
> Assuming whatever the 'classic single' is to be, the frame with headset 
> and seatpost are included.  Toying around with what a parts list would be, 
> and cost, assuming buying all new.  Here's what I came up with doing a very 
> quick survey of pretty good parts:
>
> 1.  Headset: ($150) Included with frame?
> 2.  Stem ($115)
> 3.  Handlebar ($125)
> 4.  Grips and/or tape ($50)
> 5.  Front/Rear caliper brakes & pads ($125)
> 6.  Front/Rear brake levers ($50)
> 7.  Brake cables and end caps ($20)
> 8.  Bottom bracket threaded English ($125)
> 9.  Single-speed Crank / spindle / arms $175
> 10. Pedals ($60)
> 11. Chain ($20)
> 12. Front wheel:  rim, spokes, 100mm hub ($200)
> 13. Rear wheel: rim, spokes, 120mm flip-flop hub (single or dingle?) ($200)
> 14. Front/rear tires & tubes (38mm w/out fender, 32 w/fender) ($100)
> 15. Seatpost: 27.2mm ($85) Included with frame?
> 16. Saddle ($150)
>
> Total parts: $1,515 ($1,750 if headset and seatpost not included with 
> frame)
>
> Frame, headset, seatpost:  $1,400 (?)
>
> Total bike & parts:  ~ $1,915
>
> Shipping: $170 East of Mississippi
>
> TOTAL bike, parts, shipping:  ~ $2,085
>

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[tc]

Singlespeeders, is your single worth $2,000 to you?

Assuming whatever the 'classic single' is to be, the frame with headset and 
seatpost are included.  Toying around with what a parts list would be, and 
cost, assuming buying all new.  Here's what I came up with doing a very 
quick survey of pretty good parts:

1.  Headset: ($150) Included with frame?
2.  Stem ($115)
3.  Handlebar ($125)
4.  Grips and/or tape ($50)
5.  Front/Rear caliper brakes & pads ($125)
6.  Front/Rear brake levers ($50)
7.  Brake cables and end caps ($20)
8.  Bottom bracket threaded English ($125)
9.  Single-speed Crank / spindle / arms $175
10. Pedals ($60)
11. Chain ($20)
12. Front wheel:  rim, spokes, 100mm hub ($200)
13. Rear wheel: rim, spokes, 120mm flip-flop hub (single or dingle?) ($200)
14. Front/rear tires & tubes (38mm w/out fender, 32 w/fender) ($100)
15. Seatpost: 27.2mm ($85) Included with frame?
16. Saddle ($150)

Total parts: $1,515 ($1,750 if headset and seatpost not included with frame)

Frame, headset, seatpost:  $1,400 (?)

Total bike & parts:  ~ $1,915

Shipping: $170 East of Mississippi

TOTAL bike, parts, shipping:  ~ $2,085

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Ian A]

I was curious as to why a sports oriented design tends to end up with somewhat 
limited tire clearance (I appreciate the Rodeo offers far more clearance than 
mosrmt bikes in the same genre). I was under the impression that the Blue Lug 
and the Rodeo could use the same brakes that are typically spec'd on the 
Hillborne, which it seems is not right, so that's a significant factor. 

The golden unicorn for me, I suppose, is Rodeo type performance and ride 
quality on 44mm wide Compass tires. Something has to give though!

Clearly my understanding of bicycle geometry and design is lacking. Even trying 
to figure out ST and HT angles on my own bikes and how that affects fit and 
setting up my cockpit and saddle position is something I'm still trying to 
comprehend. For now, I just use trial and error and approximate measurements, 
but I have amassed a few extra stems and caused myself a few cricked necks in 
the process. What feels comfortable at home turns into a torture device 4 hours 
down the road. A inch higher, closer, further etc and Nirvana is achieved. I'd 
just like to be able to find that in theory first. 

These are all questions of geometry and I am learning that the sheer amount of 
time and comprehension that goes into a good bicycle design is not something to 
be taken for granted. 

IanA



 

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Let's talk parts? My last foray into single speed..I went a but nuts and spent 
more than need be..

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Bill Lindsay]

The Roadeo has 55mm brake clearance and does not take Tektro 559 brakes.  The 
Roadeo takes Tektro 539 brakes.  The Frank Jones Sr has 59mm brake clearance 
and that’s near the minimum for Tektro 559 brakes. The Hillborne has 65mm brake 
clearance and that is near the maximum for Tektro 559 brakes.  

Are you actually asking why doesn’t Grant design every bike to have the maximum 
brake clearance possible?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[iamkeith]

On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 11:03:50 PM UTC-7, Ian A wrote:
> In that case, why do models like the Rodeo and Blue Lug SS need to have more 
> limited clearance than, say the Hillborne, considering they all can use the 
> same model of long reach brakes?
> 
> IanA/Edmonton Canada where wider tires are welcome on our winter ravaged 
> roads.

Ian,  i didn't compare but, if that's accurate, it kind of reinforces my 
theory.  The hillbourne is somewhat stout and able to take racks for small 
loads and is probably perfect for something like a credit card tour.  The 
roadeo (and presumably this blue lug single speed?) is made for spirited, 
shorter rides and racing.  My guess is that the critical clearance-limitation 
point of the roadeo is at the chainstays, even if the two bikes use the same 
brakes.  They "could" but probably don't "want" to shape or bend things around 
enough to fit a bigger tire.

On the other hand, as joe mentioned, they probably have to manage some 
aesthetic expectations from the target buyer and, in the case of the roadeo / 
blue lug, that might mean straight, skinny chainstays that allow for the lowest 
possible Q factor.

And i suppose your point is valid too, since the hub spacing is narrower than 
135 on both bikes.  That alone would affect chainstay clearance if the stays 
are straight.  

My quickbeam, (which is even too limited for my preference, for the same 
reasons as you) has a large crimped area at the tire location that I'm assuming 
doesn't exist on the roadeo, because of it's potential stiffening effect.

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

I'm looking forward to this. I don't need another frame, but I sold my 
Vigorelli because it was limited to a 30mm tire at best.
This is 2x the cost..curious on the geometry.

Pbh of 83 so sounds like 53 would be the way to go..I'm guessing something like 
a 55 tt..

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Philip Williamson]

A bigger tire also changes the ride. I had BG Rock’n’Roads on my Quickbeam for 
a while. I liked it, but when I went back to 38s the bike turned in a bit 
quicker and was a bit more sprightly. It felt like itself. 

The Singular with 38s turned in too fast, and settled down with 2” tires.

I’m a big proponent of track ends for wide tires + fenders + singlespeed. I 
have both, and for me, wheel removal and installation is way easier with a 
track end.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Ian A]

Good point, I didn't actually frame a question! In that case, why do models 
like the Rodeo and Blue Lug SS need to have more limited clearance than, say 
the Hillborne, considering they all can use the same model of long reach brakes?

I would guess the answer lies in the many nuances of geometry snd each small 
change can have a large affect on the ride. 

IanA/Edmonton Canada where wider tires are welcome on our winter ravaged roads. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

*" it's more of a classic fit than a RIVFIT 2017"*

I would say they are likely to be more or less square, so you'll be good to 
go with the 57.

On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 10:47:02 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Oh, I shouldn't, but if it's a roady-Riv, I want one. And 120 OL! 
>
> I know Riv deprecates tt length, but I don't. I need the size with a 56 to 
> 57 cm tt, this for 73 sta, and adjusted according to the frame's actual 
> sta. Anyone?
>
> I don't know my pbh, but my Rivs are 57 and 58 c-c and work fine.
>
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 11:28 AM, lconley  
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/23
>>
>> In about 6 wks, by about Dec 10, we'll have 20 total/6 sizes UP TO 59cm 
>> of the Frank Jones Sr, a singlespeed frame designed for Blue Lug, our Tokyo 
>> dealer. We made 20 extras for us. 
>> • seat lug (new socket style, but made for 3-deg upslope) and head lugs 
>> (custom style)
>> • fillet-brazed bb
>> • 28.6mm min triangle tubes (seat and top tbes usually are, but for 
>> FRANK, the downtube is, too).
>> • clears 38mm tire. clears 33.333 w/fender  (as long as feners are not 
>> aluminum)
>> • 120 rear spacing, new rear dropouts---track style...two eyes for rak & 
>> fendr. No der tab. Angle like Quickbeam's, long, too.
>> * brake reach is 59mm (necessary for 38mm tire). Brake options? Tektro 
>> 559, Paul or Compass centerpull, or new Dia-Compe 610 centerpull (not out 
>> yet)
>> • stay & fork rack mounts
>>
>> Sizes and QTY we're getting:
>> 53cm (7)
>> 55cm (5)
>> 57cm (6)
>> 59cm (7)
>>
>> The frames are designed to be comfortable fits with drop bars, but it's 
>> more of a classic fit than a RIVFIT 2017.8. In our experience, any drop-bar 
>> bike can take an Albatross bar easily,,,so FRANK can, too.
>>
>> Sizing by PBH:
>> Mark's PBH is 82 and he'd ride a 53. Mine's 85 and I'm getting a 59 that 
>> I wish was a 58.
>>
>> This is a paved-road, light-load singlespeed frame, not a "Manny bike" ! 
>> More info will follow. It's going to cost about $1,400 for 
>> frame-fork-hs-seat post (27.2)
>>
>> G
>>
>> On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 1:24:37 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone heard scuttlebutt besides that on the Blug? Will this be a 
>>> Quickbeam or a ss Roadeo? 
>>>
>>> I'd love a 3d Rivendell for that AM hub that has been gnawing at my 
>>> conscience for several years ... but a roady type one.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Bill Lindsay]

The fact they refer to a forthcoming brake, a new rev of Dia Compe 610, 
makes it sound like the frame was designed to work with that particular 
brake which imparts a clearance.  

On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 3:26:07 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Plus the bike is designed for a different market that seems to be looking 
> for thin tubes and ultralight wheels. Blue Lug's buyers may not want to run 
> skinny tires in a frame with huge clearances. 

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