[RBW] Re: 5-10 shoes and sticky soles
Update now that I have had a chance to ride with the 5-10's on VP pedals. Big thumbs up so far. The combination of the sticky rubber of the shoe and the pins on the pedal give a super solid feel during all types of pedaling e.g. cruising, high cadence, out of the saddle, and climbing. Highly recommend this combination for all aspiring un-racers. On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:23:22 PM UTC-5, Jayme Frye wrote: How serendipitous. I just received a pair of 5-10 Dirtbag lows prior to the three day weekend. And after a 50 miler on Sunday on MKS GR 9 pedals declare them a success. I have tried three diff cleat/shoe combinations (SPD, Look/Keo, BeBop) and they all left me cold. For maximum comfort during long days in the saddle it seems self evident that moving your feet fore and aft as well as twisting heel in and out is necessary, making fixed position cleated shoes the least comfortable option. The next step for me is adding the VP platforms from Riv (should arrive Wed.) On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:29:55 PM UTC-5, bwphoto wrote: I've been testing 5-10 shoes in the process of making a better connection between my feet and the pedals. After testing three I settled on the new Freerider VXi, I just posted a review of the shoes I tested and the performance of the Stealth soles., Here's the link: http://www.ridingsteel.com/getting-sticky-with-shoes/2013/05/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 5-10 shoes and sticky soles
I have been using the Chrome Storm Truk sneakers (http://www.chromeindustries.com/footwear/storm-truk-grey) along with the Riv VP Thin Gripsters and I think this may be a perfect combination. I noticed the 5-10 Dirtbags in the latest issue of Momentum and thought they looked great but I did not need a second pair of shoes just yet. These shoes look and feel great off the bike too. I have mowed the lawn and gone out to a casual dinner in them without notice. On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:29:55 PM UTC-4, bwphoto wrote: I've been testing 5-10 shoes in the process of making a better connection between my feet and the pedals. After testing three I settled on the new Freerider VXi, I just posted a review of the shoes I tested and the performance of the Stealth soles., Here's the link: http://www.ridingsteel.com/getting-sticky-with-shoes/2013/05/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 5-10 shoes and sticky soles
Sorry Bicycle Times article not Momentum. On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:58:27 AM UTC-4, johnb wrote: I have been using the Chrome Storm Truk sneakers ( http://www.chromeindustries.com/footwear/storm-truk-grey) along with the Riv VP Thin Gripsters and I think this may be a perfect combination. I noticed the 5-10 Dirtbags in the latest issue of Momentum and thought they looked great but I did not need a second pair of shoes just yet. These shoes look and feel great off the bike too. I have mowed the lawn and gone out to a casual dinner in them without notice. On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:29:55 PM UTC-4, bwphoto wrote: I've been testing 5-10 shoes in the process of making a better connection between my feet and the pedals. After testing three I settled on the new Freerider VXi, I just posted a review of the shoes I tested and the performance of the Stealth soles., Here's the link: http://www.ridingsteel.com/getting-sticky-with-shoes/2013/05/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 5-10 shoes and sticky soles
Nice review of the shoes! You seem to have found a great solution to your nerve and feet issues. Since I have gotten older, I find myself liking the freedom of platforms more and more. I don't like changing into special shoes everytime I get on the bike, as it is my car.. The pins tear up the top of my nice shoes however, when I lift the pedal around to the 10:00 position at a stop. I want the traction of the pedal pins, without the destruction of my shoes. Toe clips wear away at the stitching on the upper part of my shoes and stain them, especially suede shoes like Clark desert boots. I am trying to think of a cover that attaches to my pedals that covers the pins when there is no weight on them, and squishes or retracts when you place your weight on them, but still remain squished at the top of the pedal stroke, so your foot still has traction when lightly weighted. Sort of like wanting to eat anything you want without getting fat. A dream...It would make me some money selling them to the commuter market? On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:29:55 AM UTC-7, bwphoto wrote: I've been testing 5-10 shoes in the process of making a better connection between my feet and the pedals. After testing three I settled on the new Freerider VXi, I just posted a review of the shoes I tested and the performance of the Stealth soles., Here's the link: http://www.ridingsteel.com/getting-sticky-with-shoes/2013/05/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 5-10 shoes and sticky soles
I've been really happy with a pair of Mizuno shot-putt (general track and field) shoes I found on Amazon - they have thin but stiff flat soles, no tread just smooth rubber, and work great on VP Thin Gripster pedals. I can move my feet side-to-side, and also get extra positions by moving my feet forward for a period of calf stretching while pedaling. Just an excellent combination, that allows easy walking off the bike, too. - Andrew, Berkeley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 5-10 shoes and sticky soles
I find that Birkenstock sandals have an amazingly sticky soul on my Thin Gripsters. As a bonus, they are light; 532 grams for the pair. Very comfortable! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 5-10 shoes and sticky soles
Thanks for posting this as well as the link to your detailed testing of the shoes. I've been mulling the idea of 5-10's recently and have eyeballed the various models on-line. But they seem to be primarily a West/NW part of the country phenomenon because I don't see them offered anyplace in the Midwest much. I'm always leery of buying shoes, in particular, via mail order because sizes and fitting can be a very finicky thing and I envision a flurry of back-and-forth shipping until everything is right. So I like your description of how the toe and heel fit vs. your size. Also, there's this: I've been doing serious cycling for about 40 years now, beginning with the old toe clip strap w/ cleated shoes, evolving to Look style clipless in the early 90's, to SPD clipless in the last decade and finally platform pedals and running shoes in the last 3-4 years. This is because of three things: 1) gradually increasing discomfort with retention-based shoes due to their thin, thin inserts (and their inability to accommodate orthotics, which I wear), 2) the apparent inability of the cycling industry to recognize that anyone in the world has anything but narrow feet (my final go-around with Shimano's SPD mountain shoes were a disaster in this regard - I usually wear size 9 or 9 1/2 in D width), and 3) increasing problems with cramping and foot numbness with any type of cycling shoe. However, even though the platform pedals took care of most of these issues, the running shoes do not, necessarily. When I'm standing up on a hill climb I feel like my foot is being wrapped around the pedal axle. I need something with a stiffer sole, like the cycling shoes but without their other drawbacks. So, my question is/was just how stiff some of these 5-10's are in that regard. The Freerider was one that I was considering the most. But they have two models; the standard Freerider and that VXi you bought. The former is about $20 cheaper, but does not have the same smooth contact area on the sole bottom as does the VXi. Would it still work as well? Also, how stiff are these in relative terms? Are they similar to a cycling shoe? I wouldn't want to go through the trouble to get a pair and wind up back where I am now with the running shoes. Finally, where to buy? Since they'd have to mail ordered, Zappo's seems to have the best selection and return policy of the on-line retailers. Would you agree? Where did you buy yours? Again, thanks for posting and your attention to my questions. George On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:29:55 PM UTC-5, bwphoto wrote: I've been testing 5-10 shoes in the process of making a better connection between my feet and the pedals. After testing three I settled on the new Freerider VXi, I just posted a review of the shoes I tested and the performance of the Stealth soles., Here's the link: http://www.ridingsteel.com/getting-sticky-with-shoes/2013/05/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: 5-10 shoes and sticky soles
I'll echo the wonders of sticky rigid soled shoes coupled with flat pinned pedals. Until I discovered that combo, I couldn't pedal pain-free. I've tried a couple of Five Ten shoes, and lately a pair of Teva and another pair of Vans MTB shoes. What I discovered is that to be comfortable on all those shoes (which unfortunately aren't very wide so I need to go larger in size) is removing their stock inserts and replacing them with green (highest arch) Specialized insoles. Other insoles might also work, but for me, the Specialized insoles are the best. Without going into more specific preferences, now I can ride for a long time without having my feet hurt like hell, the way they used to. The other tip/trick I learned, was positioning my feet so the arch is almost over the pedal spindle, instead of the traditional recommendation of having the ball of the foot go over the pedal spindle. No SPD shoes allowed me to position the foot this way. René On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:34 PM, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for posting this as well as the link to your detailed testing of the shoes. I've been mulling the idea of 5-10's recently and have eyeballed the various models on-line. But they seem to be primarily a West/NW part of the country phenomenon because I don't see them offered anyplace in the Midwest much. I'm always leery of buying shoes, in particular, via mail order because sizes and fitting can be a very finicky thing and I envision a flurry of back-and-forth shipping until everything is right. So I like your description of how the toe and heel fit vs. your size. Also, there's this: I've been doing serious cycling for about 40 years now, beginning with the old toe clip strap w/ cleated shoes, evolving to Look style clipless in the early 90's, to SPD clipless in the last decade and finally platform pedals and running shoes in the last 3-4 years. This is because of three things: 1) gradually increasing discomfort with retention-based shoes due to their thin, thin inserts (and their inability to accommodate orthotics, which I wear), 2) the apparent inability of the cycling industry to recognize that anyone in the world has anything but narrow feet (my final go-around with Shimano's SPD mountain shoes were a disaster in this regard - I usually wear size 9 or 9 1/2 in D width), and 3) increasing problems with cramping and foot numbness with any type of cycling shoe. However, even though the platform pedals took care of most of these issues, the running shoes do not, necessarily. When I'm standing up on a hill climb I feel like my foot is being wrapped around the pedal axle. I need something with a stiffer sole, like the cycling shoes but without their other drawbacks. So, my question is/was just how stiff some of these 5-10's are in that regard. The Freerider was one that I was considering the most. But they have two models; the standard Freerider and that VXi you bought. The former is about $20 cheaper, but does not have the same smooth contact area on the sole bottom as does the VXi. Would it still work as well? Also, how stiff are these in relative terms? Are they similar to a cycling shoe? I wouldn't want to go through the trouble to get a pair and wind up back where I am now with the running shoes. Finally, where to buy? Since they'd have to mail ordered, Zappo's seems to have the best selection and return policy of the on-line retailers. Would you agree? Where did you buy yours? Again, thanks for posting and your attention to my questions. George On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:29:55 PM UTC-5, bwphoto wrote: I've been testing 5-10 shoes in the process of making a better connection between my feet and the pedals. After testing three I settled on the new Freerider VXi, I just posted a review of the shoes I tested and the performance of the Stealth soles., Here's the link: http://www.ridingsteel.com/**getting-sticky-with-shoes/**2013/05/http://www.ridingsteel.com/getting-sticky-with-shoes/2013/05/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 5-10 shoes and sticky soles
George I've used toe clips with slotted cleats for all of over 50 years of riding and was about to make the shift to clipless when an old injury and diagnosis of RA side lined me for over ten years. In 2010 I decided I'd had enough so I gradually eased back into riding by way of spinning. That was when I first noticed I could no longer spin a pedal up with my toe to slide my foot into he toe clip. I bought some SPD shoes and used them for a while having no problem unclipping, since I've always ridden with stiff shoes I bought a pair of Sidis with Look cleats along with Look pedals for my nearly 50 year old bike. The transition from spinning to city riding with clipless pedals was not a pretty sight, more crashes than in the entire time I've spent riding. So for now at least my Sidis and Pearl Izumi's are used for spinning. As I mentioned in the review, my feet are very lacking in their ability to respond to small motor commands from my brain, I tried just about every variety of pedal until Jim Thill sold me some platforms with friction pins. They worked well with some shoes and barely with others, by the end of the summer it was apparent the shoes were the problem, soft rubber soled shoes worked well until the temperatures dropped and the traction pins could no longer hold the shoe. Additionally, the lack of stiffness in the soft soled shoes would fatigue my feet. When I discovered 5-10s, I was intrigued but held back from making the leap because of price and the shipping hassle. I even tried the MKS urban platforms with double gated toe clips but was unable to find shoes that fit right and despite the long tongue lever on the pedal I still had problems flipping them onto my feet. When I found out about Competitive cycle's lifetime no questions asked return policy and talked to them to verify that I could indeed return shoes I had ridden with I ordered the first two pair, the return process was painless. I know Zappos offers a return policy but if you read the fine print to product has to be in pristine condition for them to accept its' return. So I'd suggest going through them to find the right shoe. The shoes I got my hands on were very sturdy and the soles are thick enough that I don't feel pressure on my feet. As to stiffness, the Impact is the stiffest and feels closer to the stiffness you probably experienced with early (late '80s to early '90s)and current road shoes, they would be on par with Sidi Dragons but more walkable because of the rubber sole. I wear an orthotic as well, I always try shoes on with my orthotic because not every shoe will work with them. As I described in the review, the 5-10 Freeriders worked well in a half size larger than normal to add more width and volume ( I normally need an E or EE) the Impacts would definitely have worked in the larger size but they seemed to be over kill for what I needed. As to stiffness, I would say both the Hellcat and the Freerider VXi slightly stiffer than an old pair old Diettos, they do flex when walking but still maintain their stiffness on the pedal, whereas they other Freerider model is more flexible but not as much as a running shoe, at that is what the folks at Comp Cycles told me. I found that between the sturdiness of the the shoe's tongue and customizing my lacing that I can significantly reduce the numbness issue in my right foot...most of the time. The Freeriders I got feel so much like road shoes I find myself thinking I actually have my old Diettos on. Hope this answers your questions, feel free to contact me on or off list if I can help you more. On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:34:08 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote: Thanks for posting this as well as the link to your detailed testing of the shoes. I've been mulling the idea of 5-10's recently and have eyeballed the various models on-line. But they seem to be primarily a West/NW part of the country phenomenon because I don't see them offered anyplace in the Midwest much. I'm always leery of buying shoes, in particular, via mail order because sizes and fitting can be a very finicky thing and I envision a flurry of back-and-forth shipping until everything is right. So I like your description of how the toe and heel fit vs. your size. Also, there's this: I've been doing serious cycling for about 40 years now, beginning with the old toe clip strap w/ cleated shoes, evolving to Look style clipless in the early 90's, to SPD clipless in the last decade and finally platform pedals and running shoes in the last 3-4 years. This is because of three things: 1) gradually increasing discomfort with retention-based shoes due to their thin, thin inserts (and their inability to accommodate orthotics, which I wear), 2) the apparent inability of the cycling industry to recognize that anyone in the world has anything but narrow feet (my final go-around with Shimano's SPD mountain shoes were a disaster
[RBW] Re: 5-10 shoes and sticky soles
In case your're not happy with the 5-10's ( which have been a downhiller MTB based shoe for a long time) Specialized BG shoes come in a wide width, have room for orthotics ( at least Cycling specific ones which I use) and come with a built in varus wedge that orients your feet in the cycling position. I don't ride in anything else except a mile or two to the store/beach/Starbucks. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: 5-10 shoes and sticky soles
FWIW, 5-10 is out of Redlands, CA. A local company for me, although they maintain a VERY low profile. Not sure why that is. But good people nonetheless. Cheers, David On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:34 PM, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for posting this as well as the link to your detailed testing of the shoes. I've been mulling the idea of 5-10's recently and have eyeballed the various models on-line. But they seem to be primarily a West/NW part of the country phenomenon because I don't see them offered anyplace in the Midwest much. I'm always leery of buying shoes, in particular, via mail order because sizes and fitting can be a very finicky thing and I envision a flurry of back-and-forth shipping until everything is right. So I like your description of how the toe and heel fit vs. your size. Also, there's this: I've been doing serious cycling for about 40 years now, beginning with the old toe clip strap w/ cleated shoes, evolving to Look style clipless in the early 90's, to SPD clipless in the last decade and finally platform pedals and running shoes in the last 3-4 years. This is because of three things: 1) gradually increasing discomfort with retention-based shoes due to their thin, thin inserts (and their inability to accommodate orthotics, which I wear), 2) the apparent inability of the cycling industry to recognize that anyone in the world has anything but narrow feet (my final go-around with Shimano's SPD mountain shoes were a disaster in this regard - I usually wear size 9 or 9 1/2 in D width), and 3) increasing problems with cramping and foot numbness with any type of cycling shoe. However, even though the platform pedals took care of most of these issues, the running shoes do not, necessarily. When I'm standing up on a hill climb I feel like my foot is being wrapped around the pedal axle. I need something with a stiffer sole, like the cycling shoes but without their other drawbacks. So, my question is/was just how stiff some of these 5-10's are in that regard. The Freerider was one that I was considering the most. But they have two models; the standard Freerider and that VXi you bought. The former is about $20 cheaper, but does not have the same smooth contact area on the sole bottom as does the VXi. Would it still work as well? Also, how stiff are these in relative terms? Are they similar to a cycling shoe? I wouldn't want to go through the trouble to get a pair and wind up back where I am now with the running shoes. Finally, where to buy? Since they'd have to mail ordered, Zappo's seems to have the best selection and return policy of the on-line retailers. Would you agree? Where did you buy yours? Again, thanks for posting and your attention to my questions. George On Tuesday, May 28, 2013 12:29:55 PM UTC-5, bwphoto wrote: I've been testing 5-10 shoes in the process of making a better connection between my feet and the pedals. After testing three I settled on the new Freerider VXi, I just posted a review of the shoes I tested and the performance of the Stealth soles., Here's the link: http://www.ridingsteel.com/**getting-sticky-with-shoes/**2013/05/http://www.ridingsteel.com/getting-sticky-with-shoes/2013/05/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 5-10 shoes and sticky soles
As far as I know, REI started the lifetime returns. Then backcountry.com began offering the same deal, presumably to compete with REI on their home turf in Utah. And backcountry.com recently purchased Competitive Cyclist, hence the lifetime returns. I've seen other online retailers also adopting the lifetime returns policy. By the way, amazon.com bought zappos.com at some point. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 5-10 shoes and sticky soles
Oh, yeahI use 5.10's for mountain biking coupled with flats and pins. The stick much better than Vans type rubber soles. The are not stiff like road shoes. You can walk in them comfortably. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
