Re: [RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
on 12/18/09 8:13 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: rb: There was a discussion herein maybe a year ago about a guy who experienced some handling issues (shimmy?) with his Atlantis when front-loaded and riding at high-speed no-handed, and I seem to recall that he either re-raked the fork, got a new fork, or both, to achieve low trail, and he reported that the handling was more to his liking as a result. Later he got a custom bike built that was apparently the answer to all his front-loading/no-handed goals, but, curiously, the custom bike had fairly high fork trail... Expect you are referring to this - http://readytoride.biz/?p=333 - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines 'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet. Double disbeleif: not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
Good point, ie how much weight and for how long - for me, it's 10 bulky pounds normally, and then a few times a week closer to 20 lbs. For approx 20 very hilly miles, but continuous, so not a lot of start and stop; so I really notice the trail and steering issues when climbing 10 - 13% grades standing with 20 lbs in the front. With those 20lbs on a back rack (and sometimes more, ie up to 35 lbs) I feel the corresponding to front wheel flop sensation on the back, ie the weight flopping the bike back and forth from the rear. The front load on low trail allows one to subtly compensate for this, so there is not a waggle all over the road. Sowhat'll happen if I replace the fork (a bolt of lightening perhaps from Riv HQ?) On Dec 18, 12:53 am, amoll68 amol...@comcast.net wrote: Beautiful machine, Brian. Thanks for sharing. ATMO, medium trail is smart design. How much weight do you really carry up front, and for how long? When I put a half-rack of beer up front, I'm usually only carrying it for a mile or so. When unloaded, or lightly loaded (which is most of the time for me,) medium trail works great. I front-load my AHH and most of my other bikes - works just dandy. Trail is an important part of the equation, but it's not the only factor involved. Thanks again Brian. R/ Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
Why not rear load the Saluki and enjoy it for what it is? -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of rb Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:25 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars My question as well. I have a Kog G1 and now an amazingly beautiful Saluki - but I have gotten so used to the low trail of the Kog, that front loading on the Saluki seems to really degrade the handling. What is the general feeling about re-raking / swapping the fork on these bikes; of course it'll gain the low trail feeling, but does it degrade the handling in other ways, as these designs clearly were meant for rear loading. Even though the riv site and grant are proponents of baskets, and sure it's ridable, but the low trail front load is such a reveletory change, I figured on such a great bike if I was going to front load, that I'd want to change it to low trail. Is it doable / worth it? On Dec 17, 9:30 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Did you re-rake the fork for front loading? ;) On Dec 17, 2:16 am, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I finally finished the porteur bar wrapping/twining/shellac on phase 2 of my AHH. I moved the shifters to the down tubes, and haven't looked back. Also have some inspired mounts of the basic Planet Bike Blazer LEDs for night commuting duty. Opinions: Bars - love the positions. My hands naturally fall at the bends and they work perfectly for my 10 mile normal ride. When I need to go more upright, I just move back. Narrow, so they are much like drop width. I can really get low by holding the fronts and resting my forearms on the swept back parts - seems to be a good tuck. The reach to the down-tube shifts hasn't been a problem, and I immediately got used to shifting w/o looking. Haven't done a long ride yet, but will update when I do. 2 watt Planet Bike Blazer - Bright enough, but not a whole lot different from the 1 watt or even the half watt when riding on city streets or semi-lit trails with ambient light. When I went up a totally dark trail, it really lit up the path, so it's plenty bright for my commute. Great blink mode, but I'm still underwhelmed overall. I think I'm one of those guys who wants the super lumens - I'm used to the bi-xenon car lights... I didn't think I'd ride this bike in the crappy wet Seattle winter months for commuting, but it's so comfy, I just have a hard time getting out the winter bike. The Jack Brown blues are still going strong - no flats. I did extract a nice piece of glass the other day when I was inspecting the tires. It never made it through, but it was a bit disconcerting. Oh well - got my frame pump finally, so I'm ready... Brian http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/PorteurSetup122009# -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
I was joking with my original comment about re-raking the fork. I bet the Saluki handles just fine with a loaded handlebar basket. I used one on my (former) Atlantis a bunch. On Dec 18, 9:57 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Why not rear load the Saluki and enjoy it for what it is? -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of rb Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:25 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars My question as well. I have a Kog G1 and now an amazingly beautiful Saluki - but I have gotten so used to the low trail of the Kog, that front loading on the Saluki seems to really degrade the handling. What is the general feeling about re-raking / swapping the fork on these bikes; of course it'll gain the low trail feeling, but does it degrade the handling in other ways, as these designs clearly were meant for rear loading. Even though the riv site and grant are proponents of baskets, and sure it's ridable, but the low trail front load is such a reveletory change, I figured on such a great bike if I was going to front load, that I'd want to change it to low trail. Is it doable / worth it? On Dec 17, 9:30 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Did you re-rake the fork for front loading? ;) On Dec 17, 2:16 am, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I finally finished the porteur bar wrapping/twining/shellac on phase 2 of my AHH. I moved the shifters to the down tubes, and haven't looked back. Also have some inspired mounts of the basic Planet Bike Blazer LEDs for night commuting duty. Opinions: Bars - love the positions. My hands naturally fall at the bends and they work perfectly for my 10 mile normal ride. When I need to go more upright, I just move back. Narrow, so they are much like drop width. I can really get low by holding the fronts and resting my forearms on the swept back parts - seems to be a good tuck. The reach to the down-tube shifts hasn't been a problem, and I immediately got used to shifting w/o looking. Haven't done a long ride yet, but will update when I do. 2 watt Planet Bike Blazer - Bright enough, but not a whole lot different from the 1 watt or even the half watt when riding on city streets or semi-lit trails with ambient light. When I went up a totally dark trail, it really lit up the path, so it's plenty bright for my commute. Great blink mode, but I'm still underwhelmed overall. I think I'm one of those guys who wants the super lumens - I'm used to the bi-xenon car lights... I didn't think I'd ride this bike in the crappy wet Seattle winter months for commuting, but it's so comfy, I just have a hard time getting out the winter bike. The Jack Brown blues are still going strong - no flats. I did extract a nice piece of glass the other day when I was inspecting the tires. It never made it through, but it was a bit disconcerting. Oh well - got my frame pump finally, so I'm ready... Brian http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/PorteurSetup122009# -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I was joking with my original comment about re-raking the fork. I bet the Saluki handles just fine with a loaded handlebar basket. I used one on my (former) Atlantis a bunch. I use a front basket on the nitto mini from rack on my atlantis and I find things are more stable if there are about 5-10lbs of weight up there. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
rb: There was a discussion herein maybe a year ago about a guy who experienced some handling issues (shimmy?) with his Atlantis when front-loaded and riding at high-speed no-handed, and I seem to recall that he either re-raked the fork, got a new fork, or both, to achieve low trail, and he reported that the handling was more to his liking as a result. Later he got a custom bike built that was apparently the answer to all his front-loading/no-handed goals, but, curiously, the custom bike had fairly high fork trail... On Dec 18, 5:48 am, rb b...@projectblu.com wrote: Good point, ie how much weight and for how long - for me, it's 10 bulky pounds normally, and then a few times a week closer to 20 lbs. For approx 20 very hilly miles, but continuous, so not a lot of start and stop; so I really notice the trail and steering issues when climbing 10 - 13% grades standing with 20 lbs in the front. With those 20lbs on a back rack (and sometimes more, ie up to 35 lbs) I feel the corresponding to front wheel flop sensation on the back, ie the weight flopping the bike back and forth from the rear. The front load on low trail allows one to subtly compensate for this, so there is not a waggle all over the road. Sowhat'll happen if I replace the fork (a bolt of lightening perhaps from Riv HQ?) On Dec 18, 12:53 am, amoll68 amol...@comcast.net wrote: Beautiful machine, Brian. Thanks for sharing. ATMO, medium trail is smart design. How much weight do you really carry up front, and for how long? When I put a half-rack of beer up front, I'm usually only carrying it for a mile or so. When unloaded, or lightly loaded (which is most of the time for me,) medium trail works great. I front-load my AHH and most of my other bikes - works just dandy. Trail is an important part of the equation, but it's not the only factor involved. Thanks again Brian. R/ Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
Thanks for the thoughtful reply, including the joke. I have found that the infamous shimmy debate re the kog etc is a function of what kind of rack connection one has on the front fork; if it was attached to the front brake bolt, and one had a slightly wobbly load = easy to shimmy. Notable exception, nitto m12 rack which has a robust connection compared to the mark's rack or other flat strut connected racks, which tend to pivot around the attaching point). And, on the Kog, if one used the 2 top mounted fork bolt attachment point - no shimmy no matter what the load, unless one worked at inducing it intentionally.So re front loading on longer trail bikes, I've been very careful with that, ie getting the rack properly (to my way of thinking) connected. So I'm not so concerned with shimmy, because with the right rack / rack attaching, I think it's a moot point (also how much time does one spend riding at high speed with a heavy front load (look ma, no hands?)). Back to my original ellipitcal question...what's gonna happen if I swap out a fork, and i guess the answer is that I'd have to find out myself? Which then leads to part 2...where to get the right fork...I guess back to the Kog list? (ie rather than having a costly one built for $350 just as a trial?). I have 3 bikes in rotation right now; the kog with it's custom front rack, a Saluki with a velo orange front rack / (which I put up for sale as it's overkill for me, no need for decaleur etc etc), and a Bob Jackson with a front rack and medium sized basket. The Saluki and the Jackson with my standard front load (10 lbs of my daily stuff) - not great when climbing out of the saddle, or making high speed turns. So that must be the issue of trail (nb, a nice issue to have...oh dear, trail is effecting my carrying of 10 - 20 lbs of 2009 era acoutremont). On Dec 18, 11:13 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: rb: There was a discussion herein maybe a year ago about a guy who experienced some handling issues (shimmy?) with his Atlantis when front-loaded and riding at high-speed no-handed, and I seem to recall that he either re-raked the fork, got a new fork, or both, to achieve low trail, and he reported that the handling was more to his liking as a result. Later he got a custom bike built that was apparently the answer to all his front-loading/no-handed goals, but, curiously, the custom bike had fairly high fork trail... On Dec 18, 5:48 am, rb b...@projectblu.com wrote: Good point, ie how much weight and for how long - for me, it's 10 bulky pounds normally, and then a few times a week closer to 20 lbs. For approx 20 very hilly miles, but continuous, so not a lot of start and stop; so I really notice the trail and steering issues when climbing 10 - 13% grades standing with 20 lbs in the front. With those 20lbs on a back rack (and sometimes more, ie up to 35 lbs) I feel the corresponding to front wheel flop sensation on the back, ie the weight flopping the bike back and forth from the rear. The front load on low trail allows one to subtly compensate for this, so there is not a waggle all over the road. Sowhat'll happen if I replace the fork (a bolt of lightening perhaps from Riv HQ?) On Dec 18, 12:53 am, amoll68 amol...@comcast.net wrote: Beautiful machine, Brian. Thanks for sharing. ATMO, medium trail is smart design. How much weight do you really carry up front, and for how long? When I put a half-rack of beer up front, I'm usually only carrying it for a mile or so. When unloaded, or lightly loaded (which is most of the time for me,) medium trail works great. I front-load my AHH and most of my other bikes - works just dandy. Trail is an important part of the equation, but it's not the only factor involved. Thanks again Brian. R/ Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
I could...in the general scheme of things it's not a big deal - but the stuff I carry doesn't really lend itself to panniers (long heavy toolboxes essentially); and when loaded on top of rear racks, handling is less than optimal On Dec 18, 10:57 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Why not rear load the Saluki and enjoy it for what it is? -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of rb Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:25 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars My question as well. I have a Kog G1 and now an amazingly beautiful Saluki - but I have gotten so used to the low trail of the Kog, that front loading on the Saluki seems to really degrade the handling. What is the general feeling about re-raking / swapping the fork on these bikes; of course it'll gain the low trail feeling, but does it degrade the handling in other ways, as these designs clearly were meant for rear loading. Even though the riv site and grant are proponents of baskets, and sure it's ridable, but the low trail front load is such a reveletory change, I figured on such a great bike if I was going to front load, that I'd want to change it to low trail. Is it doable / worth it? On Dec 17, 9:30 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Did you re-rake the fork for front loading? ;) On Dec 17, 2:16 am, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I finally finished the porteur bar wrapping/twining/shellac on phase 2 of my AHH. I moved the shifters to the down tubes, and haven't looked back. Also have some inspired mounts of the basic Planet Bike Blazer LEDs for night commuting duty. Opinions: Bars - love the positions. My hands naturally fall at the bends and they work perfectly for my 10 mile normal ride. When I need to go more upright, I just move back. Narrow, so they are much like drop width. I can really get low by holding the fronts and resting my forearms on the swept back parts - seems to be a good tuck. The reach to the down-tube shifts hasn't been a problem, and I immediately got used to shifting w/o looking. Haven't done a long ride yet, but will update when I do. 2 watt Planet Bike Blazer - Bright enough, but not a whole lot different from the 1 watt or even the half watt when riding on city streets or semi-lit trails with ambient light. When I went up a totally dark trail, it really lit up the path, so it's plenty bright for my commute. Great blink mode, but I'm still underwhelmed overall. I think I'm one of those guys who wants the super lumens - I'm used to the bi-xenon car lights... I didn't think I'd ride this bike in the crappy wet Seattle winter months for commuting, but it's so comfy, I just have a hard time getting out the winter bike. The Jack Brown blues are still going strong - no flats. I did extract a nice piece of glass the other day when I was inspecting the tires. It never made it through, but it was a bit disconcerting. Oh well - got my frame pump finally, so I'm ready... Brian http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/PorteurSetup122009# -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
Brian thanks for posting very sharp build definitely a walk back for a longer look bike if I passed it parked infront of a coffee shop. Who knows as a fellow Seattleite I may cross your path. Love the front light solution -brilliant -gives me some ideas about my own lights and also drinking some nice red wine to be sure I have corks available With those lovely fenders you should have no problem with the months, and months and of rain around here.And of course the bar wrap is remarkable. Happy Trails Abike and light-hearted, I take to the open road, Healthy, free, the world before me, The long brown path before me, leading wherever I choose. (with apologies to W.Whitman) On Dec 18, 9:30 am, rb b...@projectblu.com wrote: I could...in the general scheme of things it's not a big deal - but the stuff I carry doesn't really lend itself to panniers (long heavy toolboxes essentially); and when loaded on top of rear racks, handling is less than optimal On Dec 18, 10:57 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Why not rear load the Saluki and enjoy it for what it is? -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of rb Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:25 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars My question as well. I have a Kog G1 and now an amazingly beautiful Saluki - but I have gotten so used to the low trail of the Kog, that front loading on the Saluki seems to really degrade the handling. What is the general feeling about re-raking / swapping the fork on these bikes; of course it'll gain the low trail feeling, but does it degrade the handling in other ways, as these designs clearly were meant for rear loading. Even though the riv site and grant are proponents of baskets, and sure it's ridable, but the low trail front load is such a reveletory change, I figured on such a great bike if I was going to front load, that I'd want to change it to low trail. Is it doable / worth it? On Dec 17, 9:30 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Did you re-rake the fork for front loading? ;) On Dec 17, 2:16 am, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I finally finished the porteur bar wrapping/twining/shellac on phase 2 of my AHH. I moved the shifters to the down tubes, and haven't looked back. Also have some inspired mounts of the basic Planet Bike Blazer LEDs for night commuting duty. Opinions: Bars - love the positions. My hands naturally fall at the bends and they work perfectly for my 10 mile normal ride. When I need to go more upright, I just move back. Narrow, so they are much like drop width. I can really get low by holding the fronts and resting my forearms on the swept back parts - seems to be a good tuck. The reach to the down-tube shifts hasn't been a problem, and I immediately got used to shifting w/o looking. Haven't done a long ride yet, but will update when I do. 2 watt Planet Bike Blazer - Bright enough, but not a whole lot different from the 1 watt or even the half watt when riding on city streets or semi-lit trails with ambient light. When I went up a totally dark trail, it really lit up the path, so it's plenty bright for my commute. Great blink mode, but I'm still underwhelmed overall. I think I'm one of those guys who wants the super lumens - I'm used to the bi-xenon car lights... I didn't think I'd ride this bike in the crappy wet Seattle winter months for commuting, but it's so comfy, I just have a hard time getting out the winter bike. The Jack Brown blues are still going strong - no flats. I did extract a nice piece of glass the other day when I was inspecting the tires. It never made it through, but it was a bit disconcerting. Oh well - got my frame pump finally, so I'm ready... Brian http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/PorteurSetup122009# -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
Did you think about doing bar ends on this guy? That's beautiful. Makes me think about swapping out my noodle drops when my 700c Kogswell fork comes in... On Dec 17, 3:16 am, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I finally finished the porteur bar wrapping/twining/shellac on phase 2 of my AHH. I moved the shifters to the down tubes, and haven't looked back. Also have some inspired mounts of the basic Planet Bike Blazer LEDs for night commuting duty. Opinions: Bars - love the positions. My hands naturally fall at the bends and they work perfectly for my 10 mile normal ride. When I need to go more upright, I just move back. Narrow, so they are much like drop width. I can really get low by holding the fronts and resting my forearms on the swept back parts - seems to be a good tuck. The reach to the down-tube shifts hasn't been a problem, and I immediately got used to shifting w/o looking. Haven't done a long ride yet, but will update when I do. 2 watt Planet Bike Blazer - Bright enough, but not a whole lot different from the 1 watt or even the half watt when riding on city streets or semi-lit trails with ambient light. When I went up a totally dark trail, it really lit up the path, so it's plenty bright for my commute. Great blink mode, but I'm still underwhelmed overall. I think I'm one of those guys who wants the super lumens - I'm used to the bi-xenon car lights... I didn't think I'd ride this bike in the crappy wet Seattle winter months for commuting, but it's so comfy, I just have a hard time getting out the winter bike. The Jack Brown blues are still going strong - no flats. I did extract a nice piece of glass the other day when I was inspecting the tires. It never made it through, but it was a bit disconcerting. Oh well - got my frame pump finally, so I'm ready... Brian http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/PorteurSetup122009# -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
Stunning! Nice job. -- Forrest (Iowa City) On Dec 17, 2:16 am, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I finally finished the porteur bar wrapping/twining/shellac on phase 2 of my AHH. I moved the shifters to the down tubes, and haven't looked back. Also have some inspired mounts of the basic Planet Bike Blazer LEDs for night commuting duty. Opinions: Bars - love the positions. My hands naturally fall at the bends and they work perfectly for my 10 mile normal ride. When I need to go more upright, I just move back. Narrow, so they are much like drop width. I can really get low by holding the fronts and resting my forearms on the swept back parts - seems to be a good tuck. The reach to the down-tube shifts hasn't been a problem, and I immediately got used to shifting w/o looking. Haven't done a long ride yet, but will update when I do. 2 watt Planet Bike Blazer - Bright enough, but not a whole lot different from the 1 watt or even the half watt when riding on city streets or semi-lit trails with ambient light. When I went up a totally dark trail, it really lit up the path, so it's plenty bright for my commute. Great blink mode, but I'm still underwhelmed overall. I think I'm one of those guys who wants the super lumens - I'm used to the bi-xenon car lights... I didn't think I'd ride this bike in the crappy wet Seattle winter months for commuting, but it's so comfy, I just have a hard time getting out the winter bike. The Jack Brown blues are still going strong - no flats. I did extract a nice piece of glass the other day when I was inspecting the tires. It never made it through, but it was a bit disconcerting. Oh well - got my frame pump finally, so I'm ready... Brian http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/PorteurSetup122009# -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
Did you re-rake the fork for front loading? ;) On Dec 17, 2:16 am, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I finally finished the porteur bar wrapping/twining/shellac on phase 2 of my AHH. I moved the shifters to the down tubes, and haven't looked back. Also have some inspired mounts of the basic Planet Bike Blazer LEDs for night commuting duty. Opinions: Bars - love the positions. My hands naturally fall at the bends and they work perfectly for my 10 mile normal ride. When I need to go more upright, I just move back. Narrow, so they are much like drop width. I can really get low by holding the fronts and resting my forearms on the swept back parts - seems to be a good tuck. The reach to the down-tube shifts hasn't been a problem, and I immediately got used to shifting w/o looking. Haven't done a long ride yet, but will update when I do. 2 watt Planet Bike Blazer - Bright enough, but not a whole lot different from the 1 watt or even the half watt when riding on city streets or semi-lit trails with ambient light. When I went up a totally dark trail, it really lit up the path, so it's plenty bright for my commute. Great blink mode, but I'm still underwhelmed overall. I think I'm one of those guys who wants the super lumens - I'm used to the bi-xenon car lights... I didn't think I'd ride this bike in the crappy wet Seattle winter months for commuting, but it's so comfy, I just have a hard time getting out the winter bike. The Jack Brown blues are still going strong - no flats. I did extract a nice piece of glass the other day when I was inspecting the tires. It never made it through, but it was a bit disconcerting. Oh well - got my frame pump finally, so I'm ready... Brian http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/PorteurSetup122009# -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
I had seen the bars on VO's site, but never thought they would look so nice. Kind of a more affordable albatross/moustache bar. Very nice! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
Great job on the wrap. The cork used for a lights is a nice touch! looks familiar http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/4132266321/in/set-72157622750754829/ Great job! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
Did you think about doing bar ends on this guy? Why? From his post, I am guessing Brian is a man after my heart who rightly believes DTShifters are where it is at! Wouldn't change a thing on that bike. It looks wonderful and most likely is a joy to ride. On Dec 17, 7:05 am, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: Did you think about doing bar ends on this guy? That's beautiful. Makes me think about swapping out my noodle drops when my 700c Kogswell fork comes in... On Dec 17, 3:16 am, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I finally finished the porteur bar wrapping/twining/shellac on phase 2 of my AHH. I moved the shifters to the down tubes, and haven't looked back. Also have some inspired mounts of the basic Planet Bike Blazer LEDs for night commuting duty. Opinions: Bars - love the positions. My hands naturally fall at the bends and they work perfectly for my 10 mile normal ride. When I need to go more upright, I just move back. Narrow, so they are much like drop width. I can really get low by holding the fronts and resting my forearms on the swept back parts - seems to be a good tuck. The reach to the down-tube shifts hasn't been a problem, and I immediately got used to shifting w/o looking. Haven't done a long ride yet, but will update when I do. 2 watt Planet Bike Blazer - Bright enough, but not a whole lot different from the 1 watt or even the half watt when riding on city streets or semi-lit trails with ambient light. When I went up a totally dark trail, it really lit up the path, so it's plenty bright for my commute. Great blink mode, but I'm still underwhelmed overall. I think I'm one of those guys who wants the super lumens - I'm used to the bi-xenon car lights... I didn't think I'd ride this bike in the crappy wet Seattle winter months for commuting, but it's so comfy, I just have a hard time getting out the winter bike. The Jack Brown blues are still going strong - no flats. I did extract a nice piece of glass the other day when I was inspecting the tires. It never made it through, but it was a bit disconcerting. Oh well - got my frame pump finally, so I'm ready... Brian http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/PorteurSetup122009#- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
Cool! I'm looking forward to an update after a longer ride. I've been looking hard at these bars for my Quickbeam! Thanks for posting. Isaac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
Thought about bar-ends, but wanted to try DT. Like it more so far, as I tended to bump the bar-ends. It also makes me shift less and think more :) On the question of lever placement, I left the bars bare for about a month and moved the levers around. This was where I liked them most. I didn't try bar-end levers. I thought it would feel odd. I find that it's handy having the levers in front, as I actually use them for grips when climbing. I couldn't mount these levers on the sides, as they would run into the bars - I would have to use mtb levers on the side. Brian On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.comwrote: Did you think about doing bar ends on this guy? That's beautiful. Makes me think about swapping out my noodle drops when my 700c Kogswell fork comes in... On Dec 17, 3:16 am, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I finally finished the porteur bar wrapping/twining/shellac on phase 2 of my AHH. I moved the shifters to the down tubes, and haven't looked back. Also have some inspired mounts of the basic Planet Bike Blazer LEDs for night commuting duty. Opinions: Bars - love the positions. My hands naturally fall at the bends and they work perfectly for my 10 mile normal ride. When I need to go more upright, I just move back. Narrow, so they are much like drop width. I can really get low by holding the fronts and resting my forearms on the swept back parts - seems to be a good tuck. The reach to the down-tube shifts hasn't been a problem, and I immediately got used to shifting w/o looking. Haven't done a long ride yet, but will update when I do. 2 watt Planet Bike Blazer - Bright enough, but not a whole lot different from the 1 watt or even the half watt when riding on city streets or semi-lit trails with ambient light. When I went up a totally dark trail, it really lit up the path, so it's plenty bright for my commute. Great blink mode, but I'm still underwhelmed overall. I think I'm one of those guys who wants the super lumens - I'm used to the bi-xenon car lights... I didn't think I'd ride this bike in the crappy wet Seattle winter months for commuting, but it's so comfy, I just have a hard time getting out the winter bike. The Jack Brown blues are still going strong - no flats. I did extract a nice piece of glass the other day when I was inspecting the tires. It never made it through, but it was a bit disconcerting. Oh well - got my frame pump finally, so I'm ready... Brian http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/PorteurSetup122009# -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
My question as well. I have a Kog G1 and now an amazingly beautiful Saluki - but I have gotten so used to the low trail of the Kog, that front loading on the Saluki seems to really degrade the handling. What is the general feeling about re-raking / swapping the fork on these bikes; of course it'll gain the low trail feeling, but does it degrade the handling in other ways, as these designs clearly were meant for rear loading. Even though the riv site and grant are proponents of baskets, and sure it's ridable, but the low trail front load is such a reveletory change, I figured on such a great bike if I was going to front load, that I'd want to change it to low trail. Is it doable / worth it? On Dec 17, 9:30 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Did you re-rake the fork for front loading? ;) On Dec 17, 2:16 am, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I finally finished the porteur bar wrapping/twining/shellac on phase 2 of my AHH. I moved the shifters to the down tubes, and haven't looked back. Also have some inspired mounts of the basic Planet Bike Blazer LEDs for night commuting duty. Opinions: Bars - love the positions. My hands naturally fall at the bends and they work perfectly for my 10 mile normal ride. When I need to go more upright, I just move back. Narrow, so they are much like drop width. I can really get low by holding the fronts and resting my forearms on the swept back parts - seems to be a good tuck. The reach to the down-tube shifts hasn't been a problem, and I immediately got used to shifting w/o looking. Haven't done a long ride yet, but will update when I do. 2 watt Planet Bike Blazer - Bright enough, but not a whole lot different from the 1 watt or even the half watt when riding on city streets or semi-lit trails with ambient light. When I went up a totally dark trail, it really lit up the path, so it's plenty bright for my commute. Great blink mode, but I'm still underwhelmed overall. I think I'm one of those guys who wants the super lumens - I'm used to the bi-xenon car lights... I didn't think I'd ride this bike in the crappy wet Seattle winter months for commuting, but it's so comfy, I just have a hard time getting out the winter bike. The Jack Brown blues are still going strong - no flats. I did extract a nice piece of glass the other day when I was inspecting the tires. It never made it through, but it was a bit disconcerting. Oh well - got my frame pump finally, so I'm ready... Brian http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/PorteurSetup122009# -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
Beautiful machine, Brian. Thanks for sharing. ATMO, medium trail is smart design. How much weight do you really carry up front, and for how long? When I put a half-rack of beer up front, I'm usually only carrying it for a mile or so. When unloaded, or lightly loaded (which is most of the time for me,) medium trail works great. I front-load my AHH and most of my other bikes - works just dandy. Trail is an important part of the equation, but it's not the only factor involved. Thanks again Brian. R/ Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AHH with VO Porteur bars
I generally have a change of cloths and a towel in the Sackville Shopsack I'm using on the front. It rides fine, and I love the convenience of the basket for various oversized spur of the moment items. The big issue I have with wheel flop is when I'm parked at an intersection I have to pay more attention lest the bars flop over into an unfortunate part of the anatomy. Another good reason for downtube shifters - the bar ends are more blunt and a tiny bit lighter :) Brian On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM, amoll68 amol...@comcast.net wrote: Beautiful machine, Brian. Thanks for sharing. ATMO, medium trail is smart design. How much weight do you really carry up front, and for how long? When I put a half-rack of beer up front, I'm usually only carrying it for a mile or so. When unloaded, or lightly loaded (which is most of the time for me,) medium trail works great. I front-load my AHH and most of my other bikes - works just dandy. Trail is an important part of the equation, but it's not the only factor involved. Thanks again Brian. R/ Alex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
