[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Drivetrain changes implemented. Successful on all levels: 1) I did all the work myself!; 2) the changes accomplished everything I hoped they would. Here's the summary of what I did: -- Change bottom bracket from 107 to 113 to shift chain line outboard and provide chain and front derailure clearance for 2.25 rear tire. Check! (This is also how Hunqapillars are built by Rivendell now). -- Swap 11-32 8-speed cassette for 12-36 9-speed cassette to allow for most riding to be done in my middle chainring. Initial tests: Check! Longer rides will reveal more. Thank you all for your help in exploring this! I am excited about these changes. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Having played with the possibilities and gotten to ride a few rides snow free on dirt roads, I am keeping the 3x and going with the 9x 12-36 cassette. Apparently I'm faster on gentle descents than I realized, and the top gears will be welcome after all, especially since I'm losing the 11 for a 12 small cog. But the gain on the low end, middle ring will be well worth it. In talking with Riv, chain line should be no issue switching from 107mm to 113mm BB so my bigger Smart Sams will be happy on there too. Steve Palincsar, you made the right call on the triple! Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Awesome, Evan! I do still toy with the simplicity of a single up front, and the romanticism of it will always attract me. It boils down to am I willing to walk before I fall over because I'm going so slow? Because with a 34 front 12-36 rear I'd be hitting a lot of the ridable hills (especially when bikepacking) and have to use LCG simply because my gearing was too high. How much that circumstance actually happens is one I plan on testing out this year. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:20:34 PM UTC-6, Evan Baird wrote: I stopped by the freewheel on Saturday and picked up a Paul chain keeper. It makes a huge difference. With a 34t chainring and the Riv 12-34 cassette I have a totally reasonable range, and no more spontaneous derailments. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
I wasn't clear, Steve. I'm referring to going up a steep hill loaded in 24t front/32t rear (my current low setup). I suspect my new 24/36 will have me falling over. I was comparing that with a potential 1x setup of 36 or 34/36, which would require walking more hills, not more tipping over for going too slow. Hopefully that's more clear. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 3:32:14 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 04/16/2014 04:49 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Awesome, Evan! I do still toy with the simplicity of a single up front, and the romanticism of it will always attract me. It boils down to am I willing to walk before I fall over because I'm going so slow? If you've got a grade steep enough and a load heavy enough to warrant a super low gear, odds are you won't fall over. I used to have an 18 low gear on my Bruce Gordon Rock 'n Road touring bike (22 front, 32 rear) and never fell over with that. 34 front 36 rear isn't nearly that low. Admittedly, some skill is involved; and it's a lot more difficult on a high trail/high wheel flop bike than it is on a low trail/low flop one, and load placement matters too -- when I used that 18 gear on the Rock 'n Road I had loaded panniers front and rear, and loaded front panniers tend to stabilize the front end. But it's certainly doable. Because with a 34 front 12-36 rear I'd be hitting a lot of the ridable hills (especially when bikepacking) and have to use LCG simply because my gearing was too high. How much that circumstance actually happens is one I plan on testing out this year. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:20:34 PM UTC-6, Evan Baird wrote: I stopped by the freewheel on Saturday and picked up a Paul chain keeper. It makes a huge difference. With a 34t chainring and the Riv 12-34 cassette I have a totally reasonable range, and no more spontaneous derailments. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
On 04/16/2014 06:12 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: That all depends on what rocks and roots are in the way. On a road, you are right. On a trail is a whole different ballgame. Grin. I make no comments with respect to trails with rocks and roots. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
You're missing out, Steve! Rocks and roots monkey with momentum and trajectory and the slower you go and the steeper the incline, the harder those are to overcome. That's when it's time to put your foot down and hope for the sake of the bits and bobs that the ground isn't significantly lower than your tires where your foot lands. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 4:32:48 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 04/16/2014 06:12 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: That all depends on what rocks and roots are in the way. On a road, you are right. On a trail is a whole different ballgame. Grin. I make no comments with respect to trails with rocks and roots. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
On 04/16/2014 06:37 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: You're missing out, Steve! That's fun I am happy to miss out on. I'd rather have a root canal. Rocks and roots monkey with momentum and trajectory and the slower you go and the steeper the incline, the harder those are to overcome. That's when it's time to put your foot down and hope for the sake of the bits and bobs that the ground isn't significantly lower than your tires where your foot lands. So in that situation, gearing is essentially irrelevant, right? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Yes, indeed, Steve. Gearing is irrelevant anytime you are off the bike. But hardly irrelevant in the moments preceding it, especially when it allows you to overcome obstacles and keep moving. That is a wondrous feeling I wish you could experience, Steve. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 7:21:41 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 04/16/2014 06:37 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: You're missing out, Steve! That's fun I am happy to miss out on. I'd rather have a root canal. Rocks and roots monkey with momentum and trajectory and the slower you go and the steeper the incline, the harder those are to overcome. That's when it's time to put your foot down and hope for the sake of the bits and bobs that the ground isn't significantly lower than your tires where your foot lands. So in that situation, gearing is essentially irrelevant, right? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 1:00:53 PM UTC-7, redsydude wrote: ...the next gear can be an awkward front shift and a 2 or 3 click rear shift... So if you are in say 44/15 (2.9) and you shift to a lower gear you go through 30/11 (2.7) then 44/17 (2.6) then 30/13 (2.3) ... until you get to where you want to be? That's not the way I'd get there. I'd shift my rear der two clicks and not touch the front. If I'm riding in my 44/15 (2.9) and I'm saying to myself this gear is too high, I'll shift one click to the 44/17 (2.6). If that's still too high, then I shift one more click to the 44/19 (2.3). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Huh. the 8 speed Shimano 11-34 cassette costs $13 and the chains cost less than the 9-speed. That's a lot of cost for a lower gear I don't need except in the 36 front ring. Plus the potential change in shifting performance. H. Anyone know why Rivendell doesn't carry the 11-34 8x cassette? http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/shimano-acera-hg41-8-speed-mtb-cassette/rp-prod68154 Going with 24/36 x 11-34 gives me all the range I need at a fraction the cost of going 9-speed. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
but also how big the jumps are between gears; the ease of getting from one gear to the next; and where your favorite gears are. For me this is not the issue it seems to be for many other riders. The wide range 1x5 on my commuter / light[er] tour bike with a '90s vintage Campy OR rear derailer has big jumps between gears. Depending on the load and terrain I usually ride one of the two middle gears. On downhills or completely unloaded I may use the highest. For most Midwest climbing the penultimate granny works well for me. I have never used the lowest gear. The 5 speed is set up with a vintage Suntour Winner FW, so I do not get any weight advantage. It is, however, a very simple system that has never broken down on me and is very easy to clean and otherwise maintain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Going with 24/36 x 11-34 gives me all the range I need at a fraction the cost of going 9-speed. As long as the range and spacing between gears work for you, this looks like a winner. At that price, it's worth a try. As you noted, sometimes a drivetrain is just a drivetrain :-). dougP On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:24:36 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Huh. the 8 speed Shimano 11-34 cassette costs $13 and the chains cost less than the 9-speed. That's a lot of cost for a lower gear I don't need except in the 36 front ring. Plus the potential change in shifting performance. H. Anyone know why Rivendell doesn't carry the 11-34 8x cassette? http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/shimano-acera-hg41-8-speed-mtb-cassette/rp-prod68154 Going with 24/36 x 11-34 gives me all the range I need at a fraction the cost of going 9-speed. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Ahhh. Rivendell will get an IRD 12-34 8-speed cassette back in stock end of the month. I'll hold out for that. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:24:36 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Huh. the 8 speed Shimano 11-34 cassette costs $13 and the chains cost less than the 9-speed. That's a lot of cost for a lower gear I don't need except in the 36 front ring. Plus the potential change in shifting performance. H. Anyone know why Rivendell doesn't carry the 11-34 8x cassette? http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/shimano-acera-hg41-8-speed-mtb-cassette/rp-prod68154 Going with 24/36 x 11-34 gives me all the range I need at a fraction the cost of going 9-speed. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Spenser comes through again... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
...the next gear can be an awkward front shift and a 2 or 3 click rear shift... So if you are in say 44/15 (2.9) and you shift to a lower gear you go through 30/11 (2.7) then 44/17 (2.6) then 30/13 (2.3) ... until you get to where you want to be? On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:36:16 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote: Deacon, I'm sitting in an Inn after a hard drive across a chunk of Md., all of Delaware, NJ, and up NY to Rhinebeck so my brain is too tired for a full answer. So here's the short version. All gearing combinations involve trade offs among 4 variables - hi/low which you have identified; but also how big the jumps are between gears; the ease of getting from one gear to the next; and where your favorite gears are. The wider the hi/low range the wider the steps between gears, but this can be counteracted to some degree by going to a dbl and then a triple. A wide range cassette always yields large steps between gears, which I don't like. I usually run a 12-27 or at most an 11-28. Even with that, on our riding in flat Virginia I only used 3 gears but two of them were too far apart. So the double will let you get a pretty wide range with smaller steps. But with many doubles the next gear can be an awkward front shift and a 2 or 3 click rear shift leaving you between the gear you would really like. A ring difference of 10 tends to yield the simplest shifting pattern - a single click to the next gear. 14 tooth difference yields 2 clicks to the next gear. I tend to find the 12 difference leaving me between gears. I try to create sets with about 10% between gears especially in the most used middle. Finally, think about which gears you use the most and try to get a good chain line and easy pattern between them. I rarely use a ratio of less than 1 to 1 and never more than 4-1. For example my Ram has a 44/30 and an 11/27 while the Saluki a 48/34/26 (24 for big long climbs) with a 12-27. The tandem, likes easy shifting, so 48/38/28 with a 12-27. It feels very stressful to me to try to spin a ratio much below 1-1 fast enough to keep a bike upright for a long time. To each his own. Simplification is good, over simplification makes life more complicated than it needs to be. Michael On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:45:03 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don’t really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I’d love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i’m walking, especially when bikepacking. Perhaps going with a 30 or 32t 1x set up is the way to go? I will no doubt get stronger and the loss may not be a big deal with that. But then it’s better to lose gears on the upper range and coast more, and enjoy the ride on the climbs without killing myself. All wisdom deeply appreciated. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Another great point to consider, as I'm currently using an 8 speed cassette. How much drop off in shifting ease have you experienced with your 9x2 in the rear vs. an 8, David? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:03:38 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Larry, eight speed is nice as well, as they still use a regular chain. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, LF fie...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Patrick my friend, Not exactly to the point, but I think 7-speed rear clusters are at the pinacle of bike gear technology. They are more forgiving when shifting, last longer, have wider chains. Simple and practical! A nice wide range 2X7 Roll on! Best, Larry On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:45:03 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don’t really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I’d love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i’m walking, especially when bikepacking. Perhaps going with a 30 or 32t 1x set up is the way to go? I will no doubt get stronger and the loss may not be a big deal with that. But then it’s better to lose gears on the upper range and coast more, and enjoy the ride on the climbs without killing myself. All wisdom deeply appreciated. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
I ride a 1x9 setup for a long while and I found that it was a bit too much compromise. I have a Sugino crank waiting to be double+guarded so I can have a 38/24 setup up front. Since you seem to do predominantly mountain/trail stuff I'd hold onto that front lowest gear. Worse comes to worse take off the front derailleur and shift by hand. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Define shifting ease? There's really no difference between 8 or 9 in amount of effort to shift??? I really like 9 speed for the 36T cassette though. Best bike component to come out in the last decade or so. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Another great point to consider, as I'm currently using an 8 speed cassette. How much drop off in shifting ease have you experienced with your 9x2 in the rear vs. an 8, David? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:03:38 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Larry, eight speed is nice as well, as they still use a regular chain. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, LF fie...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick my friend, Not exactly to the point, but I think 7-speed rear clusters are at the pinacle of bike gear technology. They are more forgiving when shifting, last longer, have wider chains. Simple and practical! A nice wide range 2X7 Roll on! Best, Larry On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:45:03 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don't really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I'd love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i'm walking, especially when bikepacking. Perhaps going with a 30 or 32t 1x set up is the way to go? I will no doubt get stronger and the loss may not be a big deal with that. But then it's better to lose gears on the upper range and coast more, and enjoy the ride on the climbs without killing myself. All wisdom deeply appreciated. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Define shifting ease: Larry had said 7 speeds are more forgiving. So I wasn't sure what that meant. Sounds like the 9 is no big deal and has a lot of benefit, which is what I'm counting on. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:26:55 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Define shifting ease? There's really no difference between 8 or 9 in amount of effort to shift??? I really like 9 speed for the 36T cassette though. Best bike component to come out in the last decade or so. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: Another great point to consider, as I'm currently using an 8 speed cassette. How much drop off in shifting ease have you experienced with your 9x2 in the rear vs. an 8, David? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:03:38 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Larry, eight speed is nice as well, as they still use a regular chain. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, LF fie...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick my friend, Not exactly to the point, but I think 7-speed rear clusters are at the pinacle of bike gear technology. They are more forgiving when shifting, last longer, have wider chains. Simple and practical! A nice wide range 2X7 Roll on! Best, Larry On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:45:03 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don’t really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I’d love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i’m walking, especially when bikepacking. Perhaps going with a 30 or 32t 1x set up is the way to go? I will no doubt get stronger and the loss may not be a big deal with that. But then it’s better to lose gears on the upper range and coast more, and enjoy the ride on the climbs without killing myself. All wisdom deeply appreciated. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
7-speed is all about chain line. 9-speed is step down in chain line. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 8:43:40 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Define shifting ease: Larry had said 7 speeds are more forgiving. So I wasn't sure what that meant. Sounds like the 9 is no big deal and has a lot of benefit, which is what I'm counting on. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:26:55 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Define shifting ease? There's really no difference between 8 or 9 in amount of effort to shift??? I really like 9 speed for the 36T cassette though. Best bike component to come out in the last decade or so. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: Another great point to consider, as I'm currently using an 8 speed cassette. How much drop off in shifting ease have you experienced with your 9x2 in the rear vs. an 8, David? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:03:38 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Larry, eight speed is nice as well, as they still use a regular chain. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, LF fie...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick my friend, Not exactly to the point, but I think 7-speed rear clusters are at the pinacle of bike gear technology. They are more forgiving when shifting, last longer, have wider chains. Simple and practical! A nice wide range 2X7 Roll on! Best, Larry On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:45:03 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don’t really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I’d love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i’m walking, especially when bikepacking. Perhaps going with a 30 or 32t 1x set up is the way to go? I will no doubt get stronger and the loss may not be a big deal with that. But then it’s better to lose gears on the upper range and coast more, and enjoy the ride on the climbs without killing myself. All wisdom deeply appreciated. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
You probably remember that the practical limit of friction shifting was debated at great length not too long ago and many considered 8 speeds to be the most they could friction shift easily. That group does not include me, but be aware that some do find 9 harder than fewer cogs. Patrick 10's no problem either, at least with Retrofrictions Moore On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: [...]. Sounds like the 9 is no big deal and has a lot of benefit, which is what I'm counting on. Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
On 04/09/2014 09:43 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Define shifting ease: Larry had said 7 speeds are more forgiving. So I wasn't sure what that meant. Sounds like the 9 is no big deal and has a lot of benefit, which is what I'm counting on. First, we must be talking about friction, not indexing, because with indexing all shifting is easy, no big deal. With friction, it seems to vary: some have no trouble friction shifting 9 or even 10, while others (myself included) found too much ghost shifting with 8 and find 7 significantly easier. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
All I can say is I've saving my pennies for one of these. https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/paulcompimg/products/chainkeeperclamp_6_zoom.jpg http://www.paulcomp.com/chainkeepers.html I've had my chain come off so many times in the last couple weeks and it's driving me bonkers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Thanks guys! I'm far more confident in my 2 x 9 choice, though I do love the attractiveness of a 1x. Looking back at all the backpacking (photos are the closest thing I have to experiential memory) I see the hills I climb with a load, and that makes it clear I need the 2 x 9. Thank you for playing with this with me! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Well Patrick, it appears to me that this striving for simplicity is being made rather complicated ! yes ? Perfection is the I of the beholder. It's not the circumstances that make things just as I prefer , it one's attitude, the Feeling that things are just as I prefer that creates the experience of perfection. It's not about the bike, or anything other than your feeling attitude and Assumption of what Is for me. All the ideas and images for the bike, come from that attitude. Attempts to change things without a change of attitude and assumption is futile. Sheer futility ! So I ask, What is You really want, what is the Feeling of it *already being done* ? THAT feeling . . BAM ! Live *From* that Feeling, and the rest will take care of itself . - And for anyone thinks this is too far out for you, it is, so forget you ever saw it. Or not. What do you think LIFE is all about ? Doing this that and the other ? Heck no, the Life is but a means , a means to Feel and Express Freedom , Liberation from all the perceived burdens and restrictions that One carries with them. Everyone is doing this , all day every day. This *Passion*, as they say makes the World go 'round . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Ha! It's worth pointing out that sometimes a drivetrain is just a drivetrain. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:42:26 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote: Well Patrick, it appears to me that this striving for simplicity is being made rather complicated ! yes ? Perfection is the I of the beholder. It's not the circumstances that make things just as I prefer , it one's attitude, the Feeling that things are just as I prefer that creates the experience of perfection. It's not about the bike, or anything other than your feeling attitude and Assumption of what Is for me. All the ideas and images for the bike, come from that attitude. Attempts to change things without a change of attitude and assumption is futile. Sheer futility ! So I ask, What is You really want, what is the Feeling of it *already being done* ? THAT feeling . . BAM ! Live *From* that Feeling, and the rest will take care of itself . - And for anyone thinks this is too far out for you, it is, so forget you ever saw it. Or not. What do you think LIFE is all about ? Doing this that and the other ? Heck no, the Life is but a means , a means to Feel and Express Freedom , Liberation from all the perceived burdens and restrictions that One carries with them. Everyone is doing this , all day every day. This *Passion*, as they say makes the World go 'round . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
On 04/09/2014 12:37 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thanks guys! I'm far more confident in my 2 x 9 choice, though I do love the attractiveness of a 1x. Looking back at all the backpacking (photos are the closest thing I have to experiential memory) I see the hills I climb with a load, and that makes it clear I need the 2 x 9. Thank you for playing with this with me! Now, your next step should include refining and lightening your load. Over on the iBOB list, not long ago there was a discussion on this topic. I believe with a good selection of the latest equipment it's possible to greatly lighten your load without compromising either function or comfort. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/internet-bob/camping$20equipment/internet-bob/snuT5mNU01Q/_woTXtwVFp0J Some of this http://alexwetmore.org/?cat=165 might be helpful as well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Sheldon has already done the math for us - put in your sprockets and try a few chainrings to see what you like. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 12:50:14 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Ha! It's worth pointing out that sometimes a drivetrain is just a drivetrain. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:42:26 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote: Well Patrick, it appears to me that this striving for simplicity is being made rather complicated ! yes ? Perfection is the I of the beholder. It's not the circumstances that make things just as I prefer , it one's attitude, the Feeling that things are just as I prefer that creates the experience of perfection. It's not about the bike, or anything other than your feeling attitude and Assumption of what Is for me. All the ideas and images for the bike, come from that attitude. Attempts to change things without a change of attitude and assumption is futile. Sheer futility ! So I ask, What is You really want, what is the Feeling of it *already being done* ? THAT feeling . . BAM ! Live *From* that Feeling, and the rest will take care of itself . - And for anyone thinks this is too far out for you, it is, so forget you ever saw it. Or not. What do you think LIFE is all about ? Doing this that and the other ? Heck no, the Life is but a means , a means to Feel and Express Freedom , Liberation from all the perceived burdens and restrictions that One carries with them. Everyone is doing this , all day every day. This *Passion*, as they say makes the World go 'round . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Thanks, Steve. No worries there. I'm already as light as I care to go (and lighter than most from what I can tell). There are too many things that happen unexpectedly, I I prefer a bit of weight to have gear to handle them. Like funnel clouds on Pikes Peak last year. Or record rains. Or... Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 11:55:13 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 04/09/2014 12:37 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thanks guys! I'm far more confident in my 2 x 9 choice, though I do love the attractiveness of a 1x. Looking back at all the backpacking (photos are the closest thing I have to experiential memory) I see the hills I climb with a load, and that makes it clear I need the 2 x 9. Thank you for playing with this with me! Now, your next step should include refining and lightening your load. Over on the iBOB list, not long ago there was a discussion on this topic. I believe with a good selection of the latest equipment it's possible to greatly lighten your load without compromising either function or comfort. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/internet-bob/camping$20equipment/internet-bob/snuT5mNU01Q/_woTXtwVFp0J Some of this http://alexwetmore.org/?cat=165 might be helpful as well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
I really like 9 speed for the 36T cassette though. Best bike component to come out in the last decade or so. Appears he does no longer, but Jeff Jones for a time modified the 9 into a 6 speed cassette with a 36 (or is it 38? Will have to check) low gear. The modified cassette works with a single speed hub allowing for less dish on the wheel. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 8:26:55 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Define shifting ease? There's really no difference between 8 or 9 in amount of effort to shift??? I really like 9 speed for the 36T cassette though. Best bike component to come out in the last decade or so. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: Another great point to consider, as I'm currently using an 8 speed cassette. How much drop off in shifting ease have you experienced with your 9x2 in the rear vs. an 8, David? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:03:38 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Larry, eight speed is nice as well, as they still use a regular chain. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, LF fie...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick my friend, Not exactly to the point, but I think 7-speed rear clusters are at the pinacle of bike gear technology. They are more forgiving when shifting, last longer, have wider chains. Simple and practical! A nice wide range 2X7 Roll on! Best, Larry On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:45:03 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don’t really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I’d love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i’m walking, especially when bikepacking. Perhaps going with a 30 or 32t 1x set up is the way to go? I will no doubt get stronger and the loss may not be a big deal with that. But then it’s better to lose gears on the upper range and coast more, and enjoy the ride on the climbs without killing myself. All wisdom deeply appreciated. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
On 04/09/2014 02:09 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thanks, Steve. No worries there. I'm already as light as I care to go (and lighter than most from what I can tell). There are too many things that happen unexpectedly, I I prefer a bit of weight to have gear to handle them. Like funnel clouds on Pikes Peak last year. Or record rains. The joy of this is the equipment retains all its functionality, it's just that it's gotten lighter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Och, Steve! You're cute. Grin. Do you know what I take or what my stuff weighs? 60 pounds including food and water for 21 days. Lighter than that is possible, but I've been there, done that and no, the light weight stuff always sacrifices more than weight. Basic kit is under 20 pounds. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:28:04 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 04/09/2014 02:09 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thanks, Steve. No worries there. I'm already as light as I care to go (and lighter than most from what I can tell). There are too many things that happen unexpectedly, I I prefer a bit of weight to have gear to handle them. Like funnel clouds on Pikes Peak last year. Or record rains. The joy of this is the equipment retains all its functionality, it's just that it's gotten lighter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Deacon, I'm sitting in an Inn after a hard drive across a chunk of Md., all of Delaware, NJ, and up NY to Rhinebeck so my brain is too tired for a full answer. So here's the short version. All gearing combinations involve trade offs among 4 variables - hi/low which you have identified; but also how big the jumps are between gears; the ease of getting from one gear to the next; and where your favorite gears are. The wider the hi/low range the wider the steps between gears, but this can be counteracted to some degree by going to a dbl and then a triple. A wide range cassette always yields large steps between gears, which I don't like. I usually run a 12-27 or at most an 11-28. Even with that, on our riding in flat Virginia I only used 3 gears but two of them were too far apart. So the double will let you get a pretty wide range with smaller steps. But with many doubles the next gear can be an awkward front shift and a 2 or 3 click rear shift leaving you between the gear you would really like. A ring difference of 10 tends to yield the simplest shifting pattern - a single click to the next gear. 14 tooth difference yields 2 clicks to the next gear. I tend to find the 12 difference leaving me between gears. I try to create sets with about 10% between gears especially in the most used middle. Finally, think about which gears you use the most and try to get a good chain line and easy pattern between them. I rarely use a ratio of less than 1 to 1 and never more than 4-1. For example my Ram has a 44/30 and an 11/27 while the Saluki a 48/34/26 (24 for big long climbs) with a 12-27. The tandem, likes easy shifting, so 48/38/28 with a 12-27. It feels very stressful to me to try to spin a ratio much below 1-1 fast enough to keep a bike upright for a long time. To each his own. Simplification is good, over simplification makes life more complicated than it needs to be. Michael On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:45:03 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don’t really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I’d love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i’m walking, especially when bikepacking. Perhaps going with a 30 or 32t 1x set up is the way to go? I will no doubt get stronger and the loss may not be a big deal with that. But then it’s better to lose gears on the upper range and coast more, and enjoy the ride on the climbs without killing myself. All wisdom deeply appreciated. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Thanks, Michael! Rest well after your long drive! Yes, indeed. The challenge of simplicity is the complexity of discovering what is essential and what is noise. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 3:36:16 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote: Deacon, I'm sitting in an Inn after a hard drive across a chunk of Md., all of Delaware, NJ, and up NY to Rhinebeck so my brain is too tired for a full answer. So here's the short version. All gearing combinations involve trade offs among 4 variables - hi/low which you have identified; but also how big the jumps are between gears; the ease of getting from one gear to the next; and where your favorite gears are. The wider the hi/low range the wider the steps between gears, but this can be counteracted to some degree by going to a dbl and then a triple. A wide range cassette always yields large steps between gears, which I don't like. I usually run a 12-27 or at most an 11-28. Even with that, on our riding in flat Virginia I only used 3 gears but two of them were too far apart. So the double will let you get a pretty wide range with smaller steps. But with many doubles the next gear can be an awkward front shift and a 2 or 3 click rear shift leaving you between the gear you would really like. A ring difference of 10 tends to yield the simplest shifting pattern - a single click to the next gear. 14 tooth difference yields 2 clicks to the next gear. I tend to find the 12 difference leaving me between gears. I try to create sets with about 10% between gears especially in the most used middle. Finally, think about which gears you use the most and try to get a good chain line and easy pattern between them. I rarely use a ratio of less than 1 to 1 and never more than 4-1. For example my Ram has a 44/30 and an 11/27 while the Saluki a 48/34/26 (24 for big long climbs) with a 12-27. The tandem, likes easy shifting, so 48/38/28 with a 12-27. It feels very stressful to me to try to spin a ratio much below 1-1 fast enough to keep a bike upright for a long time. To each his own. Simplification is good, over simplification makes life more complicated than it needs to be. Michael On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:45:03 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don’t really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I’d love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i’m walking, especially when bikepacking. Perhaps going with a 30 or 32t 1x set up is the way to go? I will no doubt get stronger and the loss may not be a big deal with that. But then it’s better to lose gears on the upper range and coast more, and enjoy the ride on the climbs without killing myself. All wisdom deeply appreciated. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
On 04/09/2014 05:36 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: Deacon, I'm sitting in an Inn after a hard drive across a chunk of Md., all of Delaware, NJ, and up NY to Rhinebeck so my brain is too tired for a full answer. So here's the short version. All gearing combinations involve trade offs among 4 variables - hi/low which you have identified; but also how big the jumps are between gears; the ease of getting from one gear to the next; and where your favorite gears are. The wider the hi/low range the wider the steps between gears, but this can be counteracted to some degree by going to a dbl and then a triple. A wide range cassette always yields large steps between gears, which I don't like. I usually run a 12-27 or at most an 11-28. Even with that, on our riding in flat Virginia I only used 3 gears but two of them were too far apart. So the double will let you get a pretty wide range with smaller steps. But with many doubles the next gear can be an awkward front shift and a 2 or 3 click rear shift leaving you between the gear you would really like. A ring difference of 10 tends to yield the simplest shifting pattern - a single click to the next gear. 14 tooth difference yields 2 clicks to the next gear. I tend to find the 12 difference leaving me between gears. I try to create sets with about 10% between gears especially in the most used middle. Finally, think about which gears you use the most and try to get a good chain line and easy pattern between them. I rarely use a ratio of less than 1 to 1 and never more than 4-1. For example my Ram has a 44/30 and an 11/27 while the Saluki a 48/34/26 (24 for big long climbs) with a 12-27. The tandem, likes easy shifting, so 48/38/28 with a 12-27. It feels very stressful to me to try to spin a ratio much below 1-1 fast enough to keep a bike upright for a long time. To each his own. Simplification is good, over simplification makes life more complicated than it needs to be. Bloody marvelous answer. It's hard to see how a not-tired brain could improve upon this in any respect. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Patrick, If you start getting particular about your gearing preferences, I think the whole issue becomes quite subjective and driven by personal preferences. Michael clearly likes his arrangements, which I certainly don't, and he specifically recommends against arrangements I use and particularly like. What you are going to like is, ... well I guess I haven't much of a clue. But as a counterpoint to Michael's take I will submit the following. When I change rings, I want to it change my gear by more than a cog or two in the back would. For me changing rings is about moving back towards (or past) the center of the cassette after working towards one end (or avoiding going out to towards the end in the first place). Back in the 70s I rode 44/52 rings with a 14-18 freewheel and liked it a lot. But now that many of us have moved from 5 cog freewheels to 9 cog cassettes, I think larger differences between chainrings make more sense and work better. When I used to race I really valued one tooth steps in back, but now days I am more relaxed about effort and two tooth steps in the middle cogs seems ok and the increased range back there seems worth the loss in resolution. If your cassette has steps of two teeth in your cruising gears and three or four teeth on the big end then that also argues for bigger steps in your chainrings than a cassette that has one and two tooth steps. As is so often the case what you like is up to you, and you should ride what you like. I hope you enjoy figuring out what works best for you and your preferences. regards Ted On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:36:16 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote: Deacon, I'm sitting in an Inn after a hard drive across a chunk of Md., all of Delaware, NJ, and up NY to Rhinebeck so my brain is too tired for a full answer. So here's the short version. All gearing combinations involve trade offs among 4 variables - hi/low which you have identified; but also how big the jumps are between gears; the ease of getting from one gear to the next; and where your favorite gears are. The wider the hi/low range the wider the steps between gears, but this can be counteracted to some degree by going to a dbl and then a triple. A wide range cassette always yields large steps between gears, which I don't like. I usually run a 12-27 or at most an 11-28. Even with that, on our riding in flat Virginia I only used 3 gears but two of them were too far apart. So the double will let you get a pretty wide range with smaller steps. But with many doubles the next gear can be an awkward front shift and a 2 or 3 click rear shift leaving you between the gear you would really like. A ring difference of 10 tends to yield the simplest shifting pattern - a single click to the next gear. 14 tooth difference yields 2 clicks to the next gear. I tend to find the 12 difference leaving me between gears. I try to create sets with about 10% between gears especially in the most used middle. Finally, think about which gears you use the most and try to get a good chain line and easy pattern between them. I rarely use a ratio of less than 1 to 1 and never more than 4-1. For example my Ram has a 44/30 and an 11/27 while the Saluki a 48/34/26 (24 for big long climbs) with a 12-27. The tandem, likes easy shifting, so 48/38/28 with a 12-27. It feels very stressful to me to try to spin a ratio much below 1-1 fast enough to keep a bike upright for a long time. To each his own. Simplification is good, over simplification makes life more complicated than it needs to be. Michael On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:45:03 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don’t really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I’d love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i’m walking, especially when bikepacking. Perhaps going with a 30 or 32t 1x set up is the way to go? I will no doubt get stronger and the loss may not be a big deal with that. But then it’s better to lose gears on the upper range and coast more, and enjoy the ride on the climbs without killing myself. All wisdom deeply appreciated. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Exactly, Ted. The set-up you describe is precisely what I'm looking forward to moving toward. I'd go with even more difference in the front than 24/36 except that I want to mostly ride the 36, only dropping into the granny if essential, ideally only when leaded. Since I'm happy with the top end of 36 now, I see no reason to go up and lose personal preference functionality (I believe that is the technical term for what we're talking about. Grin.). With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 7:20:59 PM UTC-6, ted wrote: Patrick, If you start getting particular about your gearing preferences, I think the whole issue becomes quite subjective and driven by personal preferences. Michael clearly likes his arrangements, which I certainly don't, and he specifically recommends against arrangements I use and particularly like. What you are going to like is, ... well I guess I haven't much of a clue. But as a counterpoint to Michael's take I will submit the following. When I change rings, I want to it change my gear by more than a cog or two in the back would. For me changing rings is about moving back towards (or past) the center of the cassette after working towards one end (or avoiding going out to towards the end in the first place). Back in the 70s I rode 44/52 rings with a 14-18 freewheel and liked it a lot. But now that many of us have moved from 5 cog freewheels to 9 cog cassettes, I think larger differences between chainrings make more sense and work better. When I used to race I really valued one tooth steps in back, but now days I am more relaxed about effort and two tooth steps in the middle cogs seems ok and the increased range back there seems worth the loss in resolution. If your cassette has steps of two teeth in your cruising gears and three or four teeth on the big end then that also argues for bigger steps in your chainrings than a cassette that has one and two tooth steps. As is so often the case what you like is up to you, and you should ride what you like. I hope you enjoy figuring out what works best for you and your preferences. regards Ted On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 2:36:16 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote: Deacon, I'm sitting in an Inn after a hard drive across a chunk of Md., all of Delaware, NJ, and up NY to Rhinebeck so my brain is too tired for a full answer. So here's the short version. All gearing combinations involve trade offs among 4 variables - hi/low which you have identified; but also how big the jumps are between gears; the ease of getting from one gear to the next; and where your favorite gears are. The wider the hi/low range the wider the steps between gears, but this can be counteracted to some degree by going to a dbl and then a triple. A wide range cassette always yields large steps between gears, which I don't like. I usually run a 12-27 or at most an 11-28. Even with that, on our riding in flat Virginia I only used 3 gears but two of them were too far apart. So the double will let you get a pretty wide range with smaller steps. But with many doubles the next gear can be an awkward front shift and a 2 or 3 click rear shift leaving you between the gear you would really like. A ring difference of 10 tends to yield the simplest shifting pattern - a single click to the next gear. 14 tooth difference yields 2 clicks to the next gear. I tend to find the 12 difference leaving me between gears. I try to create sets with about 10% between gears especially in the most used middle. Finally, think about which gears you use the most and try to get a good chain line and easy pattern between them. I rarely use a ratio of less than 1 to 1 and never more than 4-1. For example my Ram has a 44/30 and an 11/27 while the Saluki a 48/34/26 (24 for big long climbs) with a 12-27. The tandem, likes easy shifting, so 48/38/28 with a 12-27. It feels very stressful to me to try to spin a ratio much below 1-1 fast enough to keep a bike upright for a long time. To each his own. Simplification is good, over simplification makes life more complicated than it needs to be. Michael On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:45:03 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don’t really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I’d love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i’m walking, especially when bikepacking.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Sounds exactly like something I would expect coming from his shop! Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: I really like 9 speed for the 36T cassette though. Best bike component to come out in the last decade or so. Appears he does no longer, but Jeff Jones for a time modified the 9 into a 6 speed cassette with a 36 (or is it 38? Will have to check) low gear. The modified cassette works with a single speed hub allowing for less dish on the wheel. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 8:26:55 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Define shifting ease? There's really no difference between 8 or 9 in amount of effort to shift??? I really like 9 speed for the 36T cassette though. Best bike component to come out in the last decade or so. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: Another great point to consider, as I'm currently using an 8 speed cassette. How much drop off in shifting ease have you experienced with your 9x2 in the rear vs. an 8, David? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:03:38 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Larry, eight speed is nice as well, as they still use a regular chain. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, LF fie...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick my friend, Not exactly to the point, but I think 7-speed rear clusters are at the pinacle of bike gear technology. They are more forgiving when shifting, last longer, have wider chains. Simple and practical! A nice wide range 2X7 Roll on! Best, Larry On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:45:03 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don't really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I'd love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i'm walking, especially when bikepacking. Perhaps going with a 30 or 32t 1x set up is the way to go? I will no doubt get stronger and the loss may not be a big deal with that. But then it's better to lose gears on the upper range and coast more, and enjoy the ride on the climbs without killing myself. All wisdom deeply appreciated. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
I'd go with the 2 x 9. With just 2 chainrings, shifting will be easy on the front and 24 36 have worked well together. The 1 x 9 seems just a bit narrow, with less than 3:1 overall range. Just my 2 cents. I suffer separation anxiety without a triple, so you know my bias :). dougP On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:45:03 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don’t really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I’d love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i’m walking, especially when bikepacking. Perhaps going with a 30 or 32t 1x set up is the way to go? I will no doubt get stronger and the loss may not be a big deal with that. But then it’s better to lose gears on the upper range and coast more, and enjoy the ride on the climbs without killing myself. All wisdom deeply appreciated. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Hi Patrick I made this switch on my Handsome devil about 3 years ago and love it, I have rarely found I miss the high end and the low is low enough to get me up most of the hills here in hilly west Seattle, I am a gear inches fan since finding Sheldon Browns gear calculator and I set up my bike with; 36t chain-ring, a 12-36t cassette, Deore LX RD and Ultegra bar end shifter and it gives me great coverage per below. Unless you really love to mash the gears going down hill I doubt you'll miss the top end. Cheers Ryan 36 Cassette Gear Inches 12 81.5 14 69.9 16 61.1 18 54.3 21 46.6 24 40.8 28 34.9 32 30.6 36 27.2 On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:45:03 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don’t really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I’d love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i’m walking, especially when bikepacking. Perhaps going with a 30 or 32t 1x set up is the way to go? I will no doubt get stronger and the loss may not be a big deal with that. But then it’s better to lose gears on the upper range and coast more, and enjoy the ride on the climbs without killing myself. All wisdom deeply appreciated. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
1x9 is great. I ran a 42 tooth ring with 11/32 cassette on a road bike and could get up most anything. 34 ring and 11-34 for MTB. Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Patrick my friend, Not exactly to the point, but I think 7-speed rear clusters are at the pinacle of bike gear technology. They are more forgiving when shifting, last longer, have wider chains. Simple and practical! A nice wide range 2X7 Roll on! Best, Larry On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:45:03 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don’t really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I’d love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i’m walking, especially when bikepacking. Perhaps going with a 30 or 32t 1x set up is the way to go? I will no doubt get stronger and the loss may not be a big deal with that. But then it’s better to lose gears on the upper range and coast more, and enjoy the ride on the climbs without killing myself. All wisdom deeply appreciated. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
I've gone to a 2X9 with a bash-guard instead of the outside ring on my 29er, and use ALL of the ratios provided. That's from a 22X36 low to a 36X11 high. It's pretty wide-range for a double, and I only very occasionally wish for a taller gear on it. That said, try the 1X9 set up and if it gives you enough range. If not, it's a relatively painless job to switch back to a 2X9. But try it for a while and see if you get used to it, similar to the way you would have to with a singlspeed. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:43 PM, RoadieRyan ryansub...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Patrick I made this switch on my Handsome devil about 3 years ago and love it, I have rarely found I miss the high end and the low is low enough to get me up most of the hills here in hilly west Seattle, I am a gear inches fan since finding Sheldon Browns gear calculator and I set up my bike with; 36t chain-ring, a 12-36t cassette, Deore LX RD and Ultegra bar end shifter and it gives me great coverage per below. Unless you really love to mash the gears going down hill I doubt you'll miss the top end. Cheers Ryan 36 Cassette Gear Inches 12 81.5 14 69.9 16 61.1 18 54.3 21 46.6 24 40.8 28 34.9 32 30.6 36 27.2 On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:45:03 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don't really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I'd love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i'm walking, especially when bikepacking. Perhaps going with a 30 or 32t 1x set up is the way to go? I will no doubt get stronger and the loss may not be a big deal with that. But then it's better to lose gears on the upper range and coast more, and enjoy the ride on the climbs without killing myself. All wisdom deeply appreciated. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Contemplating 1 x 9 drivetrain
Larry, eight speed is nice as well, as they still use a regular chain. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:02 PM, LF fie...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick my friend, Not exactly to the point, but I think 7-speed rear clusters are at the pinacle of bike gear technology. They are more forgiving when shifting, last longer, have wider chains. Simple and practical! A nice wide range 2X7 Roll on! Best, Larry On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:45:03 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I am contemplating whether to go 1 x 9 or 2 x 9 with my drive train. here is the gear ration range comparison: In gain ratios: Current range (excluding my big ring, which I rarely use and will be dropping): 1.5 - 6 1 x 9 (28 x 12-36) 1.6 - 4.7 2 x 9 (24/36 x 12-36) 1.3 - 6 I don't really need lower than 1.5, and I am unsure how the drop to 4.7 from 6 translates to speed loss. On flat or gradual descents, I suspect I would miss those upper gears. Can anyone provide their wisdom here? I am asking the question because I want to go as simple as is practical. I'd love to go with the 36t on a 1x set up, but it would add significantly to the number of hills i'm walking, especially when bikepacking. Perhaps going with a 30 or 32t 1x set up is the way to go? I will no doubt get stronger and the loss may not be a big deal with that. But then it's better to lose gears on the upper range and coast more, and enjoy the ride on the climbs without killing myself. All wisdom deeply appreciated. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
