[RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
Best of both worlds: flats with straps. I use MKS touring pedals with power straps, and I like that I can be somewhat attached to my pedals but quickly able to get out of them. On Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:21:05 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: This is an impressive document about platform pedals. It echoes much of what GP has said about this subject for years. https://www.bikejames.com/strength/the-flat-pedal-revolution-manifesto-how-to-improve-your-riding-with-flat-pedals/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/gPK7RBU_PckJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
I ride in 5.10 shoes, but not a riding-specific type. I believe the model is the guide tennie, and is basically just a lightweight sneaker with climbing rubber sole. They stick to my pedals when I ride and to sandstone when I hike. Disclaimer: they leave black marks everywhere. I really like them, though. - Zach in Moab On Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:49:42 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Here's a more direct link to the manifesto. Kinda curious to try the 5-10 shoes he recommends, but I seem to do ok with any shoes I've tried. Anybody try the 5-10 shoes? http://www.bikejames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/FlatPedalRevolutionManifesto.pdf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/H23S80RorJcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
I rode to work on my LHT with the VP pedals yesterday and they were excellent. It was a cold rainy day and my feet felt firmly planted on the pedals with know worry about slippage as with the un-spiked Grip Kings. I got my first pair through Universal Cycles but will get my next pair through RBW. If you're contemplating these pedals I say go for it. I can't imagine not using them for longer rides. And yes, lower your saddle a smidge. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cxH0JvwIxr0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
Agreed! Indeed a good source of information. After 10's thousands of miles on clipless, my feet and inner spirit feel liberated on platform pedals! I can attest to that. Thanks Jim! On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:39 PM, BrianMcG brianmcg...@yahoo.com wrote: Awesome article. Thanks Jim. On Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:21:05 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: This is an impressive document about platform pedals. It echoes much of what GP has said about this subject for years. https://www.bikejames.com/**strength/the-flat-pedal-** revolution-manifesto-how-to-**improve-your-riding-with-flat-**pedals/https://www.bikejames.com/strength/the-flat-pedal-revolution-manifesto-how-to-improve-your-riding-with-flat-pedals/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NWdhqW47uNUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
Awesome article. Thanks Jim. On Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:21:05 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: This is an impressive document about platform pedals. It echoes much of what GP has said about this subject for years. https://www.bikejames.com/strength/the-flat-pedal-revolution-manifesto-how-to-improve-your-riding-with-flat-pedals/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/NWdhqW47uNUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
I picked up a pair of VP pedals today. I'm excited to try them out this weekend. I have a feeling I'll be putting them on my Big Dummy and my commuter at some point. I like Grip Kings well enough but they can be downright dangerous when it's wet out as it frequently is here in Portland. I put some pedal spikes in and that is an improvement but the VPs just seem the way to go. I like that they're so thin. I'll also add that a while back I finally picked up a pair of Sambas which RBW has mentioned many times as being a great shoe to use with platform pedals. I live right down the street from Adidas North American HQ and a couple of times a year, through my employer and because I'm in the neighborhood, I get these 50% off coupons which I never used until recently. I finally went by the HQ store expecting it to be filled with seconds and oddities and was surprised to find black Sambas with the short tongue. At first they were super squeaky but I treated them with some Obenauf's and the squeak went away. Anyway, the Sambas are great and seem like a good match with the VP pedals. More after I put the combo to the test tomorrow. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/w0YVCJq24GoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
I don't want to start an argument, but this article only deals with mountain bikes, he never mentions road bikes other than to refer to people falling over at traffic lights because they couldn't get out of their pedals. That's a red herring. Yes it can be true for hard core road pedals, but most mountain bike pedals, like the Speedplay Frogs I like, actually unclip pretty easily, in fact I have accidentally unclipped them while going over rough roads. I've tried the open pedal approach a number of times but keep returning to some form of help in keeping my feet connected and aligned. Having had surgery on the bottom of one foot, I also find it best to vary pedals and like to switch between the Frogs and the White platform pedals with Bruce Gordon half clips. Half clips like the Gordon's or the traditional clip without a sinched strap seem to offer the best combination - any shoe, easy in and out, and a secure feeling on the pedal. That said my Frogs are the easiest in out pedals I have ever used, and my foot likes a harder shoe sole, as I have on my Keen Commuters and Keen Austin Pedlars, rather than sneakers. Michael On Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:49:42 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Here's a more direct link to the manifesto. Kinda curious to try the 5-10 shoes he recommends, but I seem to do ok with any shoes I've tried. Anybody try the 5-10 shoes? http://www.bikejames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/FlatPedalRevolutionManifesto.pdf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/32cGiaMe39QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
I have not had time to read the article yet, but notice the first chapter is titled pro-flat does not mean anti-clipless. Given a rather high percentage of more expensive and even less expensive bikes use clipless, I am not certain posting a countering opinion is necessary. Clipless is more or less the industry standard. Most of us get that. But most of us that prefer toe clips, half clips, or platform have put thought into our pedal choice and are happy with what we chose. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/myFVAzeAGCQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
Not to knock SPDs, everyone has their preferences. But I like my Grip Kings. They're pretty darn comfortable compared to when I used SPDs.I feel that I have better control over how my feet settle in on flats. The SPDs seemed to be causing my feet to go numb, and my knees were getting beat up on long rides. Using GKs solved that issue. So I haven't looked back on the issue. -Steve DeMont Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Yl3pRHvmuIsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
Obviously every cyclist has his/her own experience and can decide what equipment he/she prefers. That said, a lot of new and experienced cyclists (including me) who use platforms receive a steady stream of advice to go clipless. I tried cli -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/zh38msnJJ18J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
I tried clipless and didn't see any advantages that made it worthwhile to change my shoes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/zb-UxWwu0YYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
I read about this guy in an article in I think Dirt Rag or maybe Bicycle Time this past spring. The article was a column by a mountain bike racer who could not adapt to clipless, he was encouraged to try flat pedals by his strength coach who I think was this same guy. Anyway, it opened up a whole new world for me, I have neurological problems with feet not taking orders from my brain when trying activate small motor movement so after a lifetime of riding with toe clips and slotted cleats I had to find something else. After trying and failing to be able to use clipless pedals I gave number of flat pedals a try. what I found was that my anxiety level while riding on city streets etc. declined significantly and opened the way for my old confidence to return. The other thing I noticed was how much better my pedal stroke was. This along with months of postural restoration PT, which opened my hips and pelvis, my pedal stroke is much lighter and is taking advantage of higher pelvic flexibility which has reactivated my ham strings and glutes in the pedal stroke instead of stressing my quads and knees. I'll definitly be trying some 50-10s this coming season. Incidently Competitive Cyclist has them on sale now 50% off here's the link: http://www.competitivecyclist.com/specials/five-ten.498.html On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:21:05 PM UTC-6, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: This is an impressive document about platform pedals. It echoes much of what GP has said about this subject for years. https://www.bikejames.com/strength/the-flat-pedal-revolution-manifesto-how-to-improve-your-riding-with-flat-pedals/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4yQCUg9xjvwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
Zappos also has them on sale but not as good of a discount. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:21:05 PM UTC-6, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: This is an impressive document about platform pedals. It echoes much of what GP has said about this subject for years. https://www.bikejames.com/strength/the-flat-pedal-revolution-manifesto-how-to-improve-your-riding-with-flat-pedals/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/8hamsP6APxIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
My younger brother and his friends , who are all downhill oriented mountain bikers swear by their 5-10's.The bottom has a sticky rubber developed for climbing shoes that works really well jumping off cliffs and such. They look pretty klunky but work well if you don't like clipless pedals. I prefer the foot and leg alignment provided by well fitting clipless pedals and the rigid platform seems more efficient for my cycling pursuits. Even when I take short rides to the market on my town bike I feel like my feet can't find the right position, so all of my other bikes use clipless pedals. ~mike On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:49:42 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Here's a more direct link to the manifesto. Kinda curious to try the 5-10 shoes he recommends, but I seem to do ok with any shoes I've tried. Anybody try the 5-10 shoes? http://www.bikejames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/FlatPedalRevolutionManifesto.pdf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/QYsfNL7BuFMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
Hi Jim - I really liked this paper. Thanks very much for posting it. The only thing I see specifically limited to mountain bikes is the discussion of encountering rocks and other technical challenges on the trail. This seems to have at least some partial application if you are riding a trail somewhere (e.g., Mt Diablo). I found the slides from the Mornieux and Korff studies particularly intriguing. They seem to buttress Grant's assertions about efficiency in the pedal stroke. Can't say that I agree with his choice of shoes - but that's probably due to my preference for snug shoes and skinny Tioga (Spyder and Surefoot 8) pedals. Corwin On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:21:05 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: This is an impressive document about platform pedals. It echoes much of what GP has said about this subject for years. https://www.bikejames.com/strength/the-flat-pedal-revolution-manifesto-how-to-improve-your-riding-with-flat-pedals/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cNucO61uUU8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
As someone who learned to ride with clipless pedals from the get go, I always scoffed at flats and drank all the marketing cool-aid on clipless. However, I have a Morton's neuroma on my left foot and wide feet, and always had excrutiating foot pain on long rides or rides with lots of climbing. After years of trying numerous shoes and pedals, in recent years I discovered that riding with the Wide Specialized Body Geometry shoes minimized or even eliminated the problem. A little after discovering Rivendell bikes, I tried to drink Grant's flat pedal cool-aid but the pain was unbearable and couldn't find shoes that controlled or eliminated the pain like the Wide Specialized shoes did, so I put clipless pedals back on my Rivs. Not that everything was perfect, but it was manageable in terms of pain. BTW, this pain has always limited the amount of time/distance I can ride. This past summer, I picked up regular mountain biking again, after a year of not doing it at all. Regular mountain biking was how I picked up cycling as an adult in Venezuela some 14 years ago. Most of my current mountain biking friends (riding dual suspension bikes) ride with flats and we always made fun of each other. Then I bumped into the above article a month or two ago, and realized that I want to learn how to do some of the more essential/advanced mountain biking skills like wheelies and bunny hoping, manuals, etc. but don't dare try them on clipless pedals. The author not only made a good case (that I'd already been exposed to) on using flats to learn the skills properly, but opened my eyes (on another of the videos on his site, I believe) to how the foot needs to be positioned on the flat pedals. I had always been positioning my foot on the flats on the ball of my foot, instead of (as instructed) placing my foot on the pedal almost over the arch. I took advantage of Competitive Cyclist policy and tried some 5.10 shoes, discovered that with my wide feet I needed to go up one size and that the shoes that have firmer platforms since they are clipless compatible worked best for me. An Aline insole to replace the stock one improves it even more. I have now done mountain bike rides where my feet don't hurt while riding, no matter how much I climb or stand on the pedals during the descents. It's all about how the foot is positioned on the pedals. As I finish rebuilding my Atlantis, I ordered and installed a pair of the new flat pedals with pins that Riv is selling to give them a try again. Will adjust where I place my foot on the pedals again and see how it goes. These are the little details that seem to always be missed by people who don't have pain problems with their feet. It seems, so far, that a new world of possibilities has opened up since with the clipless pedals I could never position my foot so far over the pedal due to the limited range of the cleat positioning on the shoes. So, for those dealing with foot pain, it seems that the combination of a more rigid soled shoe + flat pedal with pins + shoe sole with extreme traction can provide a combination that improves the challenge significantly. Now if only 5.10 shoes were built in Wide as well... I could use my real size in terms of foot length for an even better fit. Apologies for the long post! René who never means his apologies for lengthy posts... On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jim - I really liked this paper. Thanks very much for posting it. The only thing I see specifically limited to mountain bikes is the discussion of encountering rocks and other technical challenges on the trail. This seems to have at least some partial application if you are riding a trail somewhere (e.g., Mt Diablo). I found the slides from the Mornieux and Korff studies particularly intriguing. They seem to buttress Grant's assertions about efficiency in the pedal stroke. Can't say that I agree with his choice of shoes - but that's probably due to my preference for snug shoes and skinny Tioga (Spyder and Surefoot 8) pedals. Corwin On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:21:05 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: This is an impressive document about platform pedals. It echoes much of what GP has said about this subject for years. https://www.bikejames.com/**strength/the-flat-pedal-** revolution-manifesto-how-to-**improve-your-riding-with-flat-**pedals/https://www.bikejames.com/strength/the-flat-pedal-revolution-manifesto-how-to-improve-your-riding-with-flat-pedals/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cNucO61uUU8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Flat pedal revolution manifesto
Rene' I suffered with Morton's neuroma, after gritting through a marathon, I gave in and had surgery. The surgery was in the doc's office and I was fully functional in weeks. After living with it for so long, I was really happy to have the pain gone and return actively usung my feet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/AkZxWGjPzxMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
