Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 13:24 -0700, LBleriot wrote: Sorry for the confusion. When I used a stem mounted dex, the bag lifted off the rack a bit (because of the height of the headset/ headtube) Or, more like, because you had the wrong size bag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Mar 24, 12:01 pm, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: Well, for me, a loaded handlebar bag would be a windbreaker, a snack, my wallet (which, these days, is certainly not heavy), and my cell phone. I'm sure you'll find more stuff to throw in there! boxy bags are downright cavernous. you'll have room for tubes, mini-pump, tools, more snacks, another layer of clothing, rivendell jack brown coin purse, camera . ... . i'm always a little surprised at how much my berthoud can hold. plenty big, even for a long wet ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
I'm not sure wrong size bag is accurate. Yes, the bag I purchased was not tall enough to fit the stem mounted dex, but otherwise, it was the correct size for my rack and carrying needs. For my particular application, the VO rackaleur was the perfect fit (and fiscally responsible solution) for my Acorn and VO bags given the height of the stem mounted dex that I previously tried without success. On Mar 25, 8:19 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 13:24 -0700, LBleriot wrote: Sorry for the confusion. When I used a stem mounted dex, the bag lifted off the rack a bit (because of the height of the headset/ headtube) Or, more like, because you had the wrong size bag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
Well, I have an Acorn roll hanging from the back of my B-17, so that takes care of tools and tubes, and I have a pump on the downtube. Might see some use bringing a six pack and some Ben and Jerry's home from the store on Friday nights. I do want to see if Google Maps on my Droid X is usable under the map plasticthat would be cool. And no worries on the sidetrack, I've built two frames and I think my next challenge (and reason to learn to fillet braze) will be to design and build a rack. Pete On Mar 25, 9:03 am, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 24, 12:01 pm, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: Well, for me, a loaded handlebar bag would be a windbreaker, a snack, my wallet (which, these days, is certainly not heavy), and my cell phone. I'm sure you'll find more stuff to throw in there! boxy bags are downright cavernous. you'll have room for tubes, mini-pump, tools, more snacks, another layer of clothing, rivendell jack brown coin purse, camera . ... . i'm always a little surprised at how much my berthoud can hold. plenty big, even for a long wet ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
Brett, The height of the stem mounted dex is governed by the length of the headtube and the stack height of your headset. The height of the tangs of the dex that attaches to the bag is governed by the size of the bag and the rack. In my case (headtube length 14cm), the stem mounted dex sits about 3-4cm above the part of the dex tangs attached to the bad, lifting the bag off the rack. The VO version takes the height of the stem mounted dex out of the equation. The Acorn, Berthoud and VO bags will fit on the vertical of the rack. Gary From: Brett Lindenbach brett.lindenb...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: LBleriot gary.sch...@att.net Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:04:17 PM Subject: Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando LBleriot, Sorry, I didn't understand. The stem mount dex are cut to size; the fork mounted dex look like they have a limited vertical adjustability. Are you confusing the two, or am I? Brett -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
The Acorn is specifically designed for a front rack (with velcro straps on the bottom that go around the rack), with a decaleur optional. Instead of a decaleur, you can run straps to the brake hoods. If you don't want a front rack, sell the Acorn and buy yourself the Rivendell Sackville BarSack and Nitto handlebar mount for it. http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208 The BarSack makes no use of a front rack, unlike the Acorn. I just bought a used Acorn that came with a VO decaleur. I'll be putting it on a Nitto M12 or Mini Front. Don't have it yet, so can't say how well the VO decaleur works. Cheers, Gernot On Mar 24, 7:18 am, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought my first handlebar bag, an Acorn Boxy Rando. I am not running a front rack or fenders, but adding a front rack isn't out of the question if it's needed. What decaleur/rackaleurs have you all used with success paired with the Acorn? Thanks, Pete -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
That is correct. No decaleur is needed. The straps to the handlebar make it very stable. Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On Mar 24, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: The Acorn is specifically designed for a front rack (with velcro straps on the bottom that go around the rack), with a decaleur optional. Instead of a decaleur, you can run straps to the brake hoods. If you don't want a front rack, sell the Acorn and buy yourself the Rivendell Sackville BarSack and Nitto handlebar mount for it. http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208 The BarSack makes no use of a front rack, unlike the Acorn. I just bought a used Acorn that came with a VO decaleur. I'll be putting it on a Nitto M12 or Mini Front. Don't have it yet, so can't say how well the VO decaleur works. Cheers, Gernot On Mar 24, 7:18 am, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought my first handlebar bag, an Acorn Boxy Rando. I am not running a front rack or fenders, but adding a front rack isn't out of the question if it's needed. What decaleur/rackaleurs have you all used with success paired with the Acorn? Thanks, Pete -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 06:09 -0700, Rene Sterental wrote: That is correct. No decaleur is needed. The straps to the handlebar make it very stable. One big reason to use a decaleur is that it provides some stand-off from the handlebar. Strapping a bag to the bars steals away most of the top of the bar, preventing its use as a riding position. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
The Acorn Boxy Rando Bag doesn't strap to the top of the bar. It's lateral strings go to the bottom section of the drop on your drop bars by the barend shifters. They work equally well with M bars. Not sure about Albatross bars. Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On Mar 24, 2011, at 6:16 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 06:09 -0700, Rene Sterental wrote: That is correct. No decaleur is needed. The straps to the handlebar make it very stable. One big reason to use a decaleur is that it provides some stand-off from the handlebar. Strapping a bag to the bars steals away most of the top of the bar, preventing its use as a riding position. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
I used the VO threadless decaleur with an Acorn rando bag, and it worked fine. One exception that very low handlebars on a small bike with a long stem may not leave enough room to clear the edge of the bag on the flat section of the handlebars. I just raised my bars a bit to fix that. This wouldn't be an issue with a stem mounted decaleur. Without a decaleur the Acorn bag wobbles more than I like. Some avoid a decaleur and prevent bag wobble with p-clamps or Ortlieb brackets. This approach is very slick. JP Weigle uses clamps: http://www.flickr.com/photos/49353569@N00/4971213280/in/faves-27988383@N06/ On Mar 24, 9:16 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 06:09 -0700, Rene Sterental wrote: That is correct. No decaleur is needed. The straps to the handlebar make it very stable. One big reason to use a decaleur is that it provides some stand-off from the handlebar. Strapping a bag to the bars steals away most of the top of the bar, preventing its use as a riding position. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
I can mount something like a Mark's Rack without any problem on my one bike. However, I've done some more looking around and found this http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/racks/rackaleur-front-bag-mount.html which looks like it might work. Pete On Mar 24, 4:22 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: The Acorn is specifically designed for a front rack (with velcro straps on the bottom that go around the rack), with a decaleur optional. Instead of a decaleur, you can run straps to the brake hoods. If you don't want a front rack, sell the Acorn and buy yourself the Rivendell Sackville BarSack and Nitto handlebar mount for it. http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208 The BarSack makes no use of a front rack, unlike the Acorn. I just bought a used Acorn that came with a VO decaleur. I'll be putting it on a Nitto M12 or Mini Front. Don't have it yet, so can't say how well the VO decaleur works. Cheers, Gernot On Mar 24, 7:18 am, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought my first handlebar bag, an Acorn Boxy Rando. I am not running a front rack or fenders, but adding a front rack isn't out of the question if it's needed. What decaleur/rackaleurs have you all used with success paired with the Acorn? Thanks, Pete- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Mar 24, 9:16 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: One big reason to use a decaleur is that it provides some stand-off from the handlebar. Strapping a bag to the bars steals away most of the top of the bar, preventing its use as a riding position. Another big reason is the quick release feature of a decaleur. Weigle's p-clamp solution is fine if the bag primarily stays on the bike - but if one takes the bag on/off frequently, or uses the bag on multiple bikes (as I do), fishing around in the bag to unscrew nuts just to get the bag on/off the bike is simply not as convenient or practical as using a decaleur, especially with a loaded bag. same goes for strapping the bag to the handlebars. I also note that J.P. was using a small berthoud bag at the D2R2 - not a larger boxy bag. I'm skeptical that those p-clamps alone would be enough to stabilize a large, loaded boxy bag. perhaps it is, but still - no quick release. In my experience, a rack and decaleur really allows a large handlebar bag to be used to its fullest potential - the combination supports the bag from below and keeps it rigid up top, keeping the bag very stable, even when stuffed to the hilt. and i can get the bag on/off the bike(s) in literally 2 seconds. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
I think you'd like a rack better. On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:58 AM, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.comwrote: I can mount something like a Mark's Rack without any problem on my one bike. However, I've done some more looking around and found this http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/racks/rackaleur-front-bag-mount.html which looks like it might work. Pete On Mar 24, 4:22 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: The Acorn is specifically designed for a front rack (with velcro straps on the bottom that go around the rack), with a decaleur optional. Instead of a decaleur, you can run straps to the brake hoods. If you don't want a front rack, sell the Acorn and buy yourself the Rivendell Sackville BarSack and Nitto handlebar mount for it. http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208 The BarSack makes no use of a front rack, unlike the Acorn. I just bought a used Acorn that came with a VO decaleur. I'll be putting it on a Nitto M12 or Mini Front. Don't have it yet, so can't say how well the VO decaleur works. Cheers, Gernot On Mar 24, 7:18 am, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought my first handlebar bag, an Acorn Boxy Rando. I am not running a front rack or fenders, but adding a front rack isn't out of the question if it's needed. What decaleur/rackaleurs have you all used with success paired with the Acorn? Thanks, Pete- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
decaleurs do have their place, but with the acorn bag, I wouldnt bother. the acorn system is very stable and easily removable. I can take my acorn boxy bag off in maybe 5 seconds. maybe not as fast a with a decaleur, but fast enough. On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 24, 9:16 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: One big reason to use a decaleur is that it provides some stand-off from the handlebar. Strapping a bag to the bars steals away most of the top of the bar, preventing its use as a riding position. Another big reason is the quick release feature of a decaleur. Weigle's p-clamp solution is fine if the bag primarily stays on the bike - but if one takes the bag on/off frequently, or uses the bag on multiple bikes (as I do), fishing around in the bag to unscrew nuts just to get the bag on/off the bike is simply not as convenient or practical as using a decaleur, especially with a loaded bag. same goes for strapping the bag to the handlebars. I also note that J.P. was using a small berthoud bag at the D2R2 - not a larger boxy bag. I'm skeptical that those p-clamps alone would be enough to stabilize a large, loaded boxy bag. perhaps it is, but still - no quick release. In my experience, a rack and decaleur really allows a large handlebar bag to be used to its fullest potential - the combination supports the bag from below and keeps it rigid up top, keeping the bag very stable, even when stuffed to the hilt. and i can get the bag on/off the bike(s) in literally 2 seconds. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Mar 24, 8:58 am, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: However, I've done some more looking around and found this .. . which looks like it might work. it really depends on how picky you are. that run-over-gingerbread man thing might work, but putting a loaded bag on your handlebars can seriously affect handling. the idea is to keep the bag low and stable. i think the mark's rack, coupled with either the Acorn straps or a decaleur would be a better option. The VO stem mount decaleur with a small rack works well - and that decaleur can be cut/bent to semi-custom fit your set-up (see below picture), so that helps. The second picture-link below shows difference in bag size i noted above - you can see the berthoud bag on Weigle's bike is smaller than the full size berthoud on my bike. Again, it's kind of a personal thing - I don't like a lot (i.e., any) bag sway with a loaded front bag. some folks are more tolerant. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22267176@N02/5269320951/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/22267176@N02/4917979762/in/set-72157622654401429/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
+1 to the added benefit of a decaleur with the Acorn rando bag. I'd used the bag without a decaleur on a Mark's Rack before, but on a subsequent bike build I opted to go for Nitto M-13 + VO threaded decaleur. I was surprised at how much more stable and solid the bag felt with the addition of the decaleur. A lot less sway, especially when riding over bumpy stuff. If you zoom in on this photo you can see how it looks: http://flickr.com/photos/natan/5374690588/ -nathan On Mar 24, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 24, 8:58 am, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: However, I've done some more looking around and found this .. . which looks like it might work. it really depends on how picky you are. that run-over-gingerbread man thing might work, but putting a loaded bag on your handlebars can seriously affect handling. the idea is to keep the bag low and stable. i think the mark's rack, coupled with either the Acorn straps or a decaleur would be a better option. The VO stem mount decaleur with a small rack works well - and that decaleur can be cut/bent to semi-custom fit your set-up (see below picture), so that helps. The second picture-link below shows difference in bag size i noted above - you can see the berthoud bag on Weigle's bike is smaller than the full size berthoud on my bike. Again, it's kind of a personal thing - I don't like a lot (i.e., any) bag sway with a loaded front bag. some folks are more tolerant. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22267176@N02/5269320951/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/22267176@N02/4917979762/in/set-72157622654401429/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:33, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to the added benefit of a decaleur with the Acorn rando bag. I'd used the bag without a decaleur on a Mark's Rack before, but on a subsequent bike build I opted to go for Nitto M-13 + VO threaded decaleur. I was surprised at how much more stable and solid the bag felt with the addition of the decaleur. A lot less sway, especially when riding over bumpy stuff. I agree, a decaleur does a ton of good. I have a homemade quick-release decaleur for my Acorn bag: http://appleblock.blogspot.com/2010/09/qr-lever-added-to-prototype-decaleur.html James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
I've used the Berthoud decaleur, which I think is the most expensive one you can get, and it is working great in combination with a Marks rack. It is not the easiest thing in the world to set up, so I was going to do a youtube about it, but haven't gotten around to it yet. The bag goes between two bikes. It takes much longer than 5 seconds. On Mar 24, 9:50 am, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:33, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to the added benefit of a decaleur with the Acorn rando bag. I'd used the bag without a decaleur on a Mark's Rack before, but on a subsequent bike build I opted to go for Nitto M-13 + VO threaded decaleur. I was surprised at how much more stable and solid the bag felt with the addition of the decaleur. A lot less sway, especially when riding over bumpy stuff. I agree, a decaleur does a ton of good. I have a homemade quick-release decaleur for my Acorn bag: http://appleblock.blogspot.com/2010/09/qr-lever-added-to-prototype-de... James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
I already had the small Nitto front rack when I bought my Acorn Boxy Rando. I just used it with the velcro straps never did bother with the side attachments. The bag comes off easily enough but it was sort of cumbersome to re-mount with the velcro. I installed a pair of D- rings on the bottom, and use a piece of shock cord with an S-hook to hold the bag down. Easy off, easy back on. The shock cord has just enough tension to keep the bag from bouncing around; actually a bit better than the velcro in that respect. dougP On Mar 23, 5:18 pm, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: I just bought my first handlebar bag, an Acorn Boxy Rando. I am not running a front rack or fenders, but adding a front rack isn't out of the question if it's needed. What decaleur/rackaleurs have you all used with success paired with the Acorn? Thanks, Pete -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
While the Berthoud looks very stable, I don't like the paperclip as cotter pin. For that price, it should be something more substantial. Please! Mine came with a safety pin, not a paperclip ;) But seriously, if you think something stronger is required there, then I suspect you haven't used one. There's no force trying to pull that foot long stainless retention bar out. All that's needed is something to keep it from wiggling itself out, which in my estimation will never happen, even if I tossed the safety pin in the trash. If I do that youtube, I'll include a comment about that. On Mar 24, 10:57 am, Brett Lindenbach brett.lindenb...@gmail.com wrote: I have also been looking into a decaleur. I recently purchased a vintage French randonneur front bag on ebay (sorry if I outbid any of you. well, not really ;^) I have a Mark's rack in place on the front and looked into decaleurs. While the Berthoud looks very stable, I don't like the paperclip as cotter pin. For that price, it should be something more substantial. The VO stem mount decaleur (i.e. the classic style) looks great, but they are out of stock. Here is what Pat from VO advised: Everyone at VO uses a stem mount decaleur; they are much easier to install. You simply need to remove the top nut. We don't have an ETA on the stem mount version. So, my question to Nathan and other is whether you like the fork mounted dex? Does anyone have a stem mounted one they would be willing to part with? Best, Brett -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
To be clear, it's worse than that! My go fast and my Hilsen each have their own Marks rack and each have their own Berthoud decaleur. The gofast uses an H91 and the Hilsen uses an H121. I use one handlebar bag for both bikes. That's $180 worth of decaleur investment. Ouch. I'm sure lots of folks feel the VO is 'just as good' as the Berthoud for less than 1/3 the price, just like lots of folks feel that a Surly LHT is just as good as a Rivendell Atlantis. Both groups are probably right. Pay for what you want to pay for and do your best to be happy with what you have. I'm likely going to try a VO for when I go to decaleur my Nitto lugged stem on my Bombadil. The Berthoud wont fit that without some custom machining of parts. Custom machining isn't out of the question, though. My dad is bringing me a kick-butt lathe over spring break. :) On Mar 24, 10:37 am, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 24, 1:27 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I've used the Berthoud decaleur, which I think is the most expensive one you can get, and it is working great in combination with a Marks rack. It is not the easiest thing in the world to set up, so I was going to do a youtube about it, but haven't gotten around to it yet. The bag goes between two bikes. It takes much longer than 5 seconds. i'm sure the berthoud decaleur is super solid. but you could custom fit two 2 VO stem mount decaleurs (which work as well as my custom decaleur) for half the price of the Berthoud and make swapping the bag between bikes much, much simpler. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 12:06 -0700, William wrote: While the Berthoud looks very stable, I don't like the paperclip as cotter pin. For that price, it should be something more substantial. Please! Mine came with a safety pin, not a paperclip ;) But seriously, if you think something stronger is required there, then I suspect you haven't used one. There's no force trying to pull that foot long stainless retention bar out. All that's needed is something to keep it from wiggling itself out, which in my estimation will never happen, even if I tossed the safety pin in the trash. If I do that youtube, I'll include a comment about that. I don't like standard paper clips because they don't last long enough. I use a circular Clipiola paperclip. http://volcanoarts.com/cart/accessories/clipiola.jpg I finally had one fail, after a year of use. As to the rod wiggling out w/o a cotter pin, yes it will. It happened to me on Bike Virginia. Not enough so that the rod came all the way out, but it did wiggle itself out about a cm or so. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Mar 24, 1:57 pm, Brett Lindenbach brett.lindenb...@gmail.com wrote: So, my question to Nathan and other is whether you like the fork mounted dex? i used one a few years ago - worked fine until it snapped (it was an early VO model with shoddy welding). the new ones look better. the big issue, which LBleriot alluded to above, is whether you can position a fork mount decaleur to fit the bag properly. really, it's the distance between a rack and the handlebars which should determine the size of the bag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
An artisinal paper clip! Bike Snob would love that... :) That's interesting that yours wiggles itself out, Steve. I can imagine it happening on the roof rack with no safety pin. Hours and hours of wiggling with no human to push it back in, I can totally imagine it walking out entirely. Especially if the back wall of the handlebar bag is rigid and the two tubes bolted to it are lined up really straight. Then there won't be much friction holding the steel retention bar in place. I'll leave the safety pin out on my 300k next week and see what happens with me. On Mar 24, 12:19 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 12:06 -0700, William wrote: While the Berthoud looks very stable, I don't like the paperclip as cotter pin. For that price, it should be something more substantial. Please! Mine came with a safety pin, not a paperclip ;) But seriously, if you think something stronger is required there, then I suspect you haven't used one. There's no force trying to pull that foot long stainless retention bar out. All that's needed is something to keep it from wiggling itself out, which in my estimation will never happen, even if I tossed the safety pin in the trash. If I do that youtube, I'll include a comment about that. I don't like standard paper clips because they don't last long enough. I use a circular Clipiola paperclip.http://volcanoarts.com/cart/accessories/clipiola.jpg I finally had one fail, after a year of use. As to the rod wiggling out w/o a cotter pin, yes it will. It happened to me on Bike Virginia. Not enough so that the rod came all the way out, but it did wiggle itself out about a cm or so. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Mar 24, 3:19 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure lots of folks feel the VO is 'just as good' as the Berthoud for less than 1/3 the price, just like lots of folks feel that a Surly LHT is just as good as a Rivendell Atlantis. i hear 'ya - but the Riv/Surly thing is kind of a false comparison. the Berthoud/VO decaleurs are completely different designs. at the end of the day, a decaleur is simply a bag mount - it just needs to hold the bag in place. the plug style decaleur is more than adequate in that respect and it's (i) more convenient to use (in general, and especially if one uses the bag on multiple bikes); (ii) less obtrusive when a bag isn't mounted; and (iii) in the case of the VO decaleur, easy to install and able to be custom fit to a certain extent. my custom decaleur, which was at least as expensive as the berthoud, has zero advantage over the VO mount other than looking rad and i'm able to install/uninstall in a hurry if i had the notion. again, it's only job is to hold the bag - one can pay a lot or comparatively little or nothing at all . .. i've seen a lot of homebrew decaleurs that work great. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
Patrick in VT You clearly have a lot more experience than I do with these things. Since the VO is superior to the Berthoud in the several ways you've listed, I'll make sure to treat myself to one when my next need arises. On Mar 24, 1:39 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 24, 3:19 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure lots of folks feel the VO is 'just as good' as the Berthoud for less than 1/3 the price, just like lots of folks feel that a Surly LHT is just as good as a Rivendell Atlantis. i hear 'ya - but the Riv/Surly thing is kind of a false comparison. the Berthoud/VO decaleurs are completely different designs. at the end of the day, a decaleur is simply a bag mount - it just needs to hold the bag in place. the plug style decaleur is more than adequate in that respect and it's (i) more convenient to use (in general, and especially if one uses the bag on multiple bikes); (ii) less obtrusive when a bag isn't mounted; and (iii) in the case of the VO decaleur, easy to install and able to be custom fit to a certain extent. my custom decaleur, which was at least as expensive as the berthoud, has zero advantage over the VO mount other than looking rad and i'm able to install/uninstall in a hurry if i had the notion. again, it's only job is to hold the bag - one can pay a lot or comparatively little or nothing at all . .. i've seen a lot of homebrew decaleurs that work great. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Mar 24, 4:53 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick in VT You clearly have a lot more experience than I do with these things. Since the VO is superior to the Berthoud in the several ways you've listed, I'll make sure to treat myself to one when my next need arises. no, no. i'm not saying superior - it just has certain advantages that make it a better design/solution for *me.* I take my bag on/off the bike(s) several times a day. if my circumstances were different, i may very well opt for a berthoud mount because i can't imagine anything being more rigid than that set-up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 13:39 -0700, Patrick in VT wrote: On Mar 24, 3:19 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure lots of folks feel the VO is 'just as good' as the Berthoud for less than 1/3 the price, just like lots of folks feel that a Surly LHT is just as good as a Rivendell Atlantis. i hear 'ya - but the Riv/Surly thing is kind of a false comparison. the Berthoud/VO decaleurs are completely different designs. at the end of the day, a decaleur is simply a bag mount - it just needs to hold the bag in place. the plug style decaleur is more than adequate in that respect and it's (i) more convenient to use (in general, and especially if one uses the bag on multiple bikes); (ii) less obtrusive when a bag isn't mounted; and (iii) in the case of the VO decaleur, easy to install and able to be custom fit to a certain extent. All that is true -- but for me, the big question is what type of headset does the bike have. I like the VO threadless decaleur. It's widely available, inexpensive, and it works great. The only alternatives for threadless are either custom decaleurs (including DIY) or a custom modification of the Berthoud. But to me, the VO design for threaded is not nearly as attractive, or as adaptable as the Berthoud. Yes, the Berthoud costs more, but for me, for traditional stems the Berthoud is the better answer -- even if it is a bit fiddly to mount the bag. my custom decaleur, which was at least as expensive as the berthoud, has zero advantage over the VO mount other than looking rad and i'm able to install/uninstall in a hurry if i had the notion. again, it's only job is to hold the bag - one can pay a lot or comparatively little or nothing at all . .. i've seen a lot of homebrew decaleurs that work great. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
Well, for me, a loaded handlebar bag would be a windbreaker, a snack, my wallet (which, these days, is certainly not heavy), and my cell phone. With that said, I've not run a handlebar bag before, so I don't know what even a couple of extra pounds up front is going to do. On my fast bike, a 700c rando, I don't have braze-ons for a rack. so the Rackaleur might be the best thing to try. However, on my slow bike, a 650b path bomber/shopping bike, I did fork blade barrel braze-ons for a VO/Nitto style rack. I guess I'll start with the Rackaleur and wee how it works with both bikes, and if I don't like it, I'll install the rack on the 650b and use that for rides where the bag is warranted. Thanks, Pete On Mar 24, 11:02 am, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 24, 8:58 am, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: However, I've done some more looking around and found this .. . which looks like it might work. it really depends on how picky you are. that run-over-gingerbread man thing might work, but putting a loaded bag on your handlebars can seriously affect handling. the idea is to keep the bag low and stable. i think the mark's rack, coupled with either the Acorn straps or a decaleur would be a better option. The VO stem mount decaleur with a small rack works well - and that decaleur can be cut/bent to semi-custom fit your set-up (see below picture), so that helps. The second picture-link below shows difference in bag size i noted above - you can see the berthoud bag on Weigle's bike is smaller than the full size berthoud on my bike. Again, it's kind of a personal thing - I don't like a lot (i.e., any) bag sway with a loaded front bag. some folks are more tolerant. http://www.flickr.com/photos/22267176@N02/5269320951/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/22267176@N02/4917979762/in/set-721576226... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando
Sorry for the confusion. When I used a stem mounted dex, the bag lifted off the rack a bit (because of the height of the headset/ headtube) which caused it to sway when loaded. The dex on the integrated VO rack sits at the perfect height and the bag sits flat on the rack. The dex merely stabilizes the bag, but the weight is carried by the rack. On Mar 24, 2:04 pm, Brett Lindenbach brett.lindenb...@gmail.com wrote: LBleriot, Sorry, I didn't understand. The stem mount dex are cut to size; the fork mounted dex look like they have a limited vertical adjustability. Are you confusing the two, or am I? Brett -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
