[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Mark Roland]

The video was slightly vertigo-inducing, but that does indeed look like an 
awesome ride--scenic, nice dirt mix, appears to be low traffic, too. And  
the high school jazz band sounds pretty darn good. 

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 7:52:50 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I agree with Austin agreeing with me. :) 
>
> More clarification of the MC slot in my stable:  I'm a devoted member of 
> San Francisco Randonneurs and my favorite part of the SFR calendar is their 
> adventure series.  On the adventure series they have two 200k brevets that 
> very well might be the two hardest 200k brevets in America. Assuming 
> equivalent weather and wind, I know of no other routes that are as tough as 
> La Ruta Loca 200k and Marin Mountains 200k.  I love those rides so much 
> that I maintain a slot in my stable just for the execution of those rides, 
> and my Black Mountain Monster Cross is my weapon of choice.  Here's a music 
> video I filmed when I first completed La Ruta Loca.  126 miles, 12,500 feet 
> of climbing, roughly 50 miles of dirt.  Not only am I repping El Cerrito 
> with my racing kit, the music is also the El Cerrito High School Jazz 
> Ensemble.  For coffee snobs, the song is Kopi Luwak.  
>
> La Ruta Loca Movie 
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 4:24:39 PM UTC-8, Austin B. wrote:
>>
>> So I own both a Roadeo and a BMC Monstercross amongst others. Road racing 
>> is not something I've ever done nor will ever do, so my comments below do 
>> not apply to that category.
>>
>> That said, the BMC Monstercross is actually a pretty road bike as well. 
>> Even Bill rated it a 5 as a road *racing* bike. Take the word "racing" 
>> out of the equation and I'd rate it higher.
>>
>> Before I got the Roadeo, the Monstercross was my primary "endurance" road 
>> bike running 38mm Barlow Pass tires. I had a couple calls with Mike V. 
>> trying to choose between a Road and a MC and have no regrets with my 
>> choice. When I want to enjoy the rougher stuff, I swap out my wheelset for 
>> one with 43mm Gravelking SKs. Brilliant!  And the Roadeo is a damn fine 
>> road bike--no quarrels there.
>>
>> Bottom line, I concur with Bill's ratings based on my experience.
>>
>> Austin
>>   
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Bill Lindsay]

I do have a Road+ frame in a box.  That build may happen this year, or 
might not.  I have a ton of riding ambitions that I want to complete before 
I get into another build.  I do not anticipate pushing out any of my Black 
Mountain bikes.  They are absurdly inexpensive and all have been awesome.  
The only reason I can imagine not keeping one is that I wanted to give one 
away to somebody I cared about who had zero money and couldn't afford even 
an absurdly inexpensive frameset.  

BL in EC

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 7:04:32 PM UTC-8, ted wrote:
>
> Bill, 
>
> At the risk of going badly off topic ... 
> I think you’ve bought a BMC road+ too, how do you see that vis a vi the 
> monstercross? Do you think you will keep both? 
> If I’m running off the rails here feel free to ignore, and my apologies to 
> one and all 
>
> Thnks 
> Ted

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[ted]

Bill,

At the risk of going badly off topic ...
I think you’ve bought a BMC road+ too, how do you see that vis a vi the 
monstercross? Do you think you will keep both?
If I’m running off the rails here feel free to ignore, and my apologies to one 
and all

Thnks
Ted

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Re: [RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[John Woo]

I love my Monster Cross Disc, which has knobbyish 40mm tires. I’ve often 
thought of supplementing it with a rim brake Monster Cross for road bike use 
with 32mm tires and fenders. 

To keep this on topic, the Roadeo looks quite nice! 

> On Jan 16, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Austin B.  wrote:
> 
> 
> So I own both a Roadeo and a BMC Monstercross amongst others. Road racing is 
> not something I've ever done nor will ever do, so my comments below do not 
> apply to that category.
> 
> That said, the BMC Monstercross is actually a pretty road bike as well. Even 
> Bill rated it a 5 as a road racing bike. Take the word "racing" out of the 
> equation and I'd rate it higher.
> 
> Before I got the Roadeo, the Monstercross was my primary "endurance" road 
> bike running 38mm Barlow Pass tires. I had a couple calls with Mike V. trying 
> to choose between a Road and a MC and have no regrets with my choice. When I 
> want to enjoy the rougher stuff, I swap out my wheelset for one with 43mm 
> Gravelking SKs. Brilliant!  And the Roadeo is a damn fine road bike--no 
> quarrels there.
> 
> Bottom line, I concur with Bill's ratings based on my experience.
> 
> Austin
>   
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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Bill Lindsay]

I agree with Austin agreeing with me. :) 

More clarification of the MC slot in my stable:  I'm a devoted member of 
San Francisco Randonneurs and my favorite part of the SFR calendar is their 
adventure series.  On the adventure series they have two 200k brevets that 
very well might be the two hardest 200k brevets in America. Assuming 
equivalent weather and wind, I know of no other routes that are as tough as 
La Ruta Loca 200k and Marin Mountains 200k.  I love those rides so much 
that I maintain a slot in my stable just for the execution of those rides, 
and my Black Mountain Monster Cross is my weapon of choice.  Here's a music 
video I filmed when I first completed La Ruta Loca.  126 miles, 12,500 feet 
of climbing, roughly 50 miles of dirt.  Not only am I repping El Cerrito 
with my racing kit, the music is also the El Cerrito High School Jazz 
Ensemble.  For coffee snobs, the song is Kopi Luwak.  

La Ruta Loca Movie 

BL in EC

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 4:24:39 PM UTC-8, Austin B. wrote:
>
> So I own both a Roadeo and a BMC Monstercross amongst others. Road racing 
> is not something I've ever done nor will ever do, so my comments below do 
> not apply to that category.
>
> That said, the BMC Monstercross is actually a pretty road bike as well. 
> Even Bill rated it a 5 as a road *racing* bike. Take the word "racing" 
> out of the equation and I'd rate it higher.
>
> Before I got the Roadeo, the Monstercross was my primary "endurance" road 
> bike running 38mm Barlow Pass tires. I had a couple calls with Mike V. 
> trying to choose between a Road and a MC and have no regrets with my 
> choice. When I want to enjoy the rougher stuff, I swap out my wheelset for 
> one with 43mm Gravelking SKs. Brilliant!  And the Roadeo is a damn fine 
> road bike--no quarrels there.
>
> Bottom line, I concur with Bill's ratings based on my experience.
>
> Austin
>   
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Austin B.]

So I own both a Roadeo and a BMC Monstercross amongst others. Road racing 
is not something I've ever done nor will ever do, so my comments below do 
not apply to that category.

That said, the BMC Monstercross is actually a pretty road bike as well. 
Even Bill rated it a 5 as a road *racing* bike. Take the word "racing" out 
of the equation and I'd rate it higher.

Before I got the Roadeo, the Monstercross was my primary "endurance" road 
bike running 38mm Barlow Pass tires. I had a couple calls with Mike V. 
trying to choose between a Road and a MC and have no regrets with my 
choice. When I want to enjoy the rougher stuff, I swap out my wheelset for 
one with 43mm Gravelking SKs. Brilliant!  And the Roadeo is a damn fine 
road bike--no quarrels there.

Bottom line, I concur with Bill's ratings based on my experience.

Austin
  

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Scott Calhoun]

Bill's BMC Monstercross really excels at being a Monstercross bike. I got a 
good chuckle out of his 9+ rating for it. 

Scott

On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 9:54:38 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> John W,  
>
> It really depends on what you are asking.  Where I put a bike in my stable 
> is exactly where I decide to put it.  I put the Black Mtn Monster Cross in 
> the "monster cross" slot of my stable.  That's where I'd put it.  Is that 
> what you are asking?
>
> If that isn't what you are asking, then here are a bunch of other 
> questions that may be closer to what you are after:
>
> *On a scale of 1 to 10, how good is each of those four bikes at being a 
> rim-brake-monster-cross bike? * 
>
> Black Mountain Monster Cross: 9+
> Black Mountain Road: 2
> Leo Roadini: 3
> Roadeo: 2
>
> *On a scale of 1 to 10, how good is each of those four bikes at being a 
> road racing bike? * 
>
> Black Mountain Monster Cross: 5
> Black Mountain Road: 8
> Leo Roadini: 6
> Roadeo: 9
>
> *On a scale of 1 to 10, how good is each of those four bikes at being an 
> all-rounder? * 
>
> Black Mountain Monster Cross: 8
> Black Mountain Road: 4
> Leo Roadini: 5
> Roadeo: 4
>
> Those three road bikes would make lousy off-road bikes for me.  If the 
> Roadeo was my only bike, I would not use it as a mountain bike.  I'd mainly 
> limit my riding to things you can use a road racing bike for.  
>
> If my Black Mountain Monster Cross was my only bike, it would serve as a 
> good platform for a lot of different kinds of builds.  I'd tune my build 
> for the things I wanted to do.  I'd retain tire selection as the main way 
> to change the bike's personality from ride to ride.  I'd have no qualms 
> about running Barlow Pass Extralights (700x38) on it for it's raciest 
> configuration.  
>
> Bill stable-boy Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 2:47:34 AM UTC-8, John W wrote:
>>
>> I know this is veering off topic, but Bill, where would you put the BMC 
>> Monster Cross rim brake within those comparisons?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Bill Lindsay]

John W,  

It really depends on what you are asking.  Where I put a bike in my stable 
is exactly where I decide to put it.  I put the Black Mtn Monster Cross in 
the "monster cross" slot of my stable.  That's where I'd put it.  Is that 
what you are asking?

If that isn't what you are asking, then here are a bunch of other questions 
that may be closer to what you are after:

*On a scale of 1 to 10, how good is each of those four bikes at being a 
rim-brake-monster-cross bike? * 

Black Mountain Monster Cross: 9+
Black Mountain Road: 2
Leo Roadini: 3
Roadeo: 2

*On a scale of 1 to 10, how good is each of those four bikes at being a 
road racing bike? * 

Black Mountain Monster Cross: 5
Black Mountain Road: 8
Leo Roadini: 6
Roadeo: 9

*On a scale of 1 to 10, how good is each of those four bikes at being an 
all-rounder? * 

Black Mountain Monster Cross: 8
Black Mountain Road: 4
Leo Roadini: 5
Roadeo: 4

Those three road bikes would make lousy off-road bikes for me.  If the 
Roadeo was my only bike, I would not use it as a mountain bike.  I'd mainly 
limit my riding to things you can use a road racing bike for.  

If my Black Mountain Monster Cross was my only bike, it would serve as a 
good platform for a lot of different kinds of builds.  I'd tune my build 
for the things I wanted to do.  I'd retain tire selection as the main way 
to change the bike's personality from ride to ride.  I'd have no qualms 
about running Barlow Pass Extralights (700x38) on it for it's raciest 
configuration.  

Bill stable-boy Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Thursday, January 16, 2020 at 2:47:34 AM UTC-8, John W wrote:
>
> I know this is veering off topic, but Bill, where would you put the BMC 
> Monster Cross rim brake within those comparisons?

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[John W]

I know this is veering off topic, but Bill, where would you put the BMC Monster 
Cross rim brake within those comparisons?

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Bill Lindsay]

I own a 59 Black Mtn Road, a 59 Roadeo, and I used to own a 57 Leo.  Some 
5'10" folks would have chosen a 54cm Leo.  The 57 Leo was a much larger 
bike than the 59 Roadeo or the 59 Black Mtn.  That site doesn't have my 
rendition of the Black Mtn so I used the 58.  The 58 Black Mtn and the 59 
Roadeo are very close to the same bike (fit wise).  The difference is Seat 
Tube Angle with which I am very familiar.  I run my saddle about 1cm 
farther forward on the rails on the Roadeo because the STA is more laid 
back.  They both fit like a glove and fit the same.  The Leo is a lot 
different with a huge stack, which I described above.  

BL in EC

On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 9:06:14 AM UTC-8, Scott Calhoun wrote:
>
> Bill, I think this is a smart way to explain the differences between the 
> bikes: "On the Roadeo and on the Black Mountain Road, I feel a little bit 
> weird if I'm not wearing racing kit.  On the Leo, I felt a little bit weird 
> if I was wearing racing kit." For me, another way of thinking about bicycle 
> differences would be to ask, "would I run flats or clipless on this bike?" 
> That might also determine if I'd wear a racing kit or not on that bike.
>
> Last winter, I did a big 80 mile dirt road loop in southeastern Arizona 
> with a group that included Ultraromance (I don't want to start an 
> Ultraromance debate here--he was always been friendly and open with me). He 
> was riding a pretty 61cm blue Roadini with a mix of old and new components 
> with cream colored 38mm tires stuffed in. I was on my Ritchey Ascent with 
> 650b x 48mm tires. I rode the most technical part of a big long descent 
> right by him and I was impressed with how fast and confidently he road it 
> on dirt. I know this is mostly due to the rider, but I suspect the long 
> chainstays helped too. Based on chainstay length (also not trying to start 
> a fight about that here) I would guess the Roadini would have a slight 
> advantage among these three if you were going to do more or your riding on 
> dirt roads than pavement. 
>
> Bike insights has geometries for the Roadeo, Roadini, and BMC road on 
> their site and using the "Bike on Bike" comparison, the 63cm Roadeo and 
> 61cm Roadini are very similar. The only sizable differences look to be 
> stack height and chainstay length: 
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries[]=5bb29e327581960016665a33[]=5b8578f548f3a30004789b19[]=[]=
>
> When you compare the  63cm Roadeo and 62cm BMC road, they are really 
> similar, but the BMC road has a bit less trail, and a bit longer reach, and 
> less stack. Bike insights categorizes the BMC as "Somewhat aggressive" and 
> the Roadeo and Roadini as "Somewhat upright." Bill's first-hand 
> observations, which I'd trust more than the numbers based Bike Insights, 
> are interesting because just looking at the numbers, the Roadini and Roadeo 
> would seem more similar to each other than the BMC. 
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries[]=5a1e64fe62315c0018d7[]=5b8578f548f3a30004789b19[]=[]=
>
> As some of you might have seen, I posted at WTB for a 63cm Roadeo a few 
> weeks back. I had a couple of responses, and I let one in the Bay area slip 
> away whilst I dithered. Part of my hesitation was that a 62cm BMC road is 
> such as bargain and is pretty similar, minus the fancy lugs, and MUSA 
> heritage. I like lugs fine, but I nice fillets and even clean TIG work, so 
> I've also thought about having another US builder make me a medium reach 
> brake road frame along the lines of the Roadeo, but minus the lugs. 
> Nobilette was one of the builders I was looking at after listening to a 
> podcast interview with him over the holidays where he said that things were 
> slow and he was looking for more work. It looks like the good folks at 
> Rivendell heard this as well and stepped in. So now, if I'm ordering fancy 
> new semi-custom, it might make more sense just to get a Roadeo as I'd be 
> able to support both Rivendell and Nobilette with the purchase. It really 
> just all comes down to budget, at 4.5x the cost of the BMC Road, the Roadeo 
> is definitely more of a stretch to afford.  
>
> Scott
>
>  
>
> On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 6:45:04 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I'd call the Black Mountain a low cost Roadeo.  Fits similar.  Rides 
>> similar.  It's nowhere near as beautiful, and well crafted aesthetically, 
>> but I consider it functionally equivalent.  Having one of each in my 
>> collection (which I do) only "makes sense" if I'm going to keep them at 
>> different locations (which I do).  My Black Mountain Road lives at my mom's 
>> house.  I can grab it off the hook and rip off a 20 - 120 mile ride and 
>> it's like an old friend.  The Black Mountain Road is different from the Leo 
>> in exactly the ways the Roadeo is different from the Leo.  
>>
>> Another way to represent the difference in attitude that I've used before 
>> and that a couple listers found useful is this:  On the Roadeo and 

[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Scott Calhoun]

Mike,

That is pretty high praise for the BMC road frame seeing that you could buy 
4.66 new BMC road frames for the price of one Roadeo. I know, MUSA, 
Rivendell lugs, Mark Nobilette, all add to the gloriousness of the Roadeo, 
but...

Scott "who wanted buy Mike's 62cm BMC road before he changed his mind about 
selling it" Calhoun

On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-7, Mike Godwin wrote:
>
> I tend to agree with Mr Lindsay. Having both, but keeping one, the ride is 
> very similar between the BMC Road and Roadeo. And agree, aesthetics and 
> build quality differ, but the BMC Road for a tig welded bike looks pretty 
> nice. I retained the 62 cm BMC, the 61 cm Roadeo went to Mr "can you help 
> me with my fender line" Guild. The BMC Road planes for me, the Roadeo is 
> more comfortable on a longer ride. Same build bits on both all around 
> except for stems and bars (threadless stem and dream bars v conventional 
> and noodles).  
>
> Mike SLO CA 
>
> On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 9:09:34 AM UTC-8, ted wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your impressions. Somehow I had gotten the idea RBW 
>> intended the Roadini to be less expensive but functionally equivalent to 
>> the Roadeo (similar to the previous Hillborne Hillson pair where GP has 
>> written if he closes his eyes he cant tell which he is riding). I was 
>> surprised when I read how different you found the Roadini and Roadeo to be, 
>> and it left me wondering if the Black Mountain was functionally more like 
>> one or the other or maybe someplace in between.
>>
>> again, thanks for the info
>> ted
>>
>> On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 5:45:04 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd call the Black Mountain a low cost Roadeo.  Fits similar.  Rides 
>>> similar.  It's nowhere near as beautiful, and well crafted aesthetically, 
>>> but I consider it functionally equivalent.  Having one of each in my 
>>> collection (which I do) only "makes sense" if I'm going to keep them at 
>>> different locations (which I do).  My Black Mountain Road lives at my mom's 
>>> house.  I can grab it off the hook and rip off a 20 - 120 mile ride and 
>>> it's like an old friend.  The Black Mountain Road is different from the Leo 
>>> in exactly the ways the Roadeo is different from the Leo.  
>>>
>>> Another way to represent the difference in attitude that I've used 
>>> before and that a couple listers found useful is this:  On the Roadeo and 
>>> on the Black Mountain Road, I feel a little bit weird if I'm not wearing 
>>> racing kit.  On the Leo, I felt a little bit weird if I was wearing racing 
>>> kit.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 9:00:18 PM UTC-8, ted wrote:

 Thanks Bill. Could you also expound on how the black mountain road (not 
 plus) relates to the Roadini and Roadeo?
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Scott Calhoun]

Bill, I think this is a smart way to explain the differences between the 
bikes: "On the Roadeo and on the Black Mountain Road, I feel a little bit 
weird if I'm not wearing racing kit.  On the Leo, I felt a little bit weird 
if I was wearing racing kit." For me, another way of thinking about bicycle 
differences would be to ask, "would I run flats or clipless on this bike?" 
That might also determine if I'd wear a racing kit or not on that bike.

Last winter, I did a big 80 mile dirt road loop in southeastern Arizona 
with a group that included Ultraromance (I don't want to start an 
Ultraromance debate here--he was always been friendly and open with me). He 
was riding a pretty 61cm blue Roadini with a mix of old and new components 
with cream colored 38mm tires stuffed in. I was on my Ritchey Ascent with 
650b x 48mm tires. I rode the most technical part of a big long descent 
right by him and I was impressed with how fast and confidently he road it 
on dirt. I know this is mostly due to the rider, but I suspect the long 
chainstays helped too. Based on chainstay length (also not trying to start 
a fight about that here) I would guess the Roadini would have a slight 
advantage among these three if you were going to do more or your riding on 
dirt roads than pavement. 

Bike insights has geometries for the Roadeo, Roadini, and BMC road on their 
site and using the "Bike on Bike" comparison, the 63cm Roadeo and 61cm 
Roadini are very similar. The only sizable differences look to be stack 
height and chainstay length: 
https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries[]=5bb29e327581960016665a33[]=5b8578f548f3a30004789b19[]=[]=

When you compare the  63cm Roadeo and 62cm BMC road, they are really 
similar, but the BMC road has a bit less trail, and a bit longer reach, and 
less stack. Bike insights categorizes the BMC as "Somewhat aggressive" and 
the Roadeo and Roadini as "Somewhat upright." Bill's first-hand 
observations, which I'd trust more than the numbers based Bike Insights, 
are interesting because just looking at the numbers, the Roadini and Roadeo 
would seem more similar to each other than the BMC. 
https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries[]=5a1e64fe62315c0018d7[]=5b8578f548f3a30004789b19[]=[]=

As some of you might have seen, I posted at WTB for a 63cm Roadeo a few 
weeks back. I had a couple of responses, and I let one in the Bay area slip 
away whilst I dithered. Part of my hesitation was that a 62cm BMC road is 
such as bargain and is pretty similar, minus the fancy lugs, and MUSA 
heritage. I like lugs fine, but I nice fillets and even clean TIG work, so 
I've also thought about having another US builder make me a medium reach 
brake road frame along the lines of the Roadeo, but minus the lugs. 
Nobilette was one of the builders I was looking at after listening to a 
podcast interview with him over the holidays where he said that things were 
slow and he was looking for more work. It looks like the good folks at 
Rivendell heard this as well and stepped in. So now, if I'm ordering fancy 
new semi-custom, it might make more sense just to get a Roadeo as I'd be 
able to support both Rivendell and Nobilette with the purchase. It really 
just all comes down to budget, at 4.5x the cost of the BMC Road, the Roadeo 
is definitely more of a stretch to afford.  

Scott

 

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 6:45:04 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I'd call the Black Mountain a low cost Roadeo.  Fits similar.  Rides 
> similar.  It's nowhere near as beautiful, and well crafted aesthetically, 
> but I consider it functionally equivalent.  Having one of each in my 
> collection (which I do) only "makes sense" if I'm going to keep them at 
> different locations (which I do).  My Black Mountain Road lives at my mom's 
> house.  I can grab it off the hook and rip off a 20 - 120 mile ride and 
> it's like an old friend.  The Black Mountain Road is different from the Leo 
> in exactly the ways the Roadeo is different from the Leo.  
>
> Another way to represent the difference in attitude that I've used before 
> and that a couple listers found useful is this:  On the Roadeo and on the 
> Black Mountain Road, I feel a little bit weird if I'm not wearing racing 
> kit.  On the Leo, I felt a little bit weird if I was wearing racing kit.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 9:00:18 PM UTC-8, ted wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Bill. Could you also expound on how the black mountain road (not 
>> plus) relates to the Roadini and Roadeo?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[John G.]

Fender line is much better now, thank you very much! Just needed an extra 
5mm spacer. 

Adding to Bill's and Mike's thoughtful description. At no point did Bill 
ever say the Roadeo was uncomfortable, but for some folks, the term "race 
bike" might connote uncomfortable and aggressive geometry. Personally, I've 
found the Roadeo to be an extremely comfortable brevet/century bike, both 
physically and mentally. It just sorta handles itself after a while. I 
sometimes prefer standard diameter tubing, but I do think the (very light) 
OS tubing on the Roadeo contributes to its reliable but lively handling. I 
know I often get hung up on wall thickness and tubing, but I really think 
geometry and fit make more of a difference than standard vs OS tubing.

And yeah, it's fast. Am I faster on my Roadeo than I was on my Black 
Mountain? Maybe a bit, but not so much faster than I get home in time to 
kill an extra 20 minutes browsing iBob.

If I ever move this Roadeo on, it will be because I have a 
similarly-purposed Weigle that fits just a smidge better. But I also 
believe you can never have too many road bikes that fit 32mm tires.

On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 12:22:46 PM UTC-5, Mike Godwin wrote:
>
> I tend to agree with Mr Lindsay. Having both, but keeping one, the ride is 
> very similar between the BMC Road and Roadeo. And agree, aesthetics and 
> build quality differ, but the BMC Road for a tig welded bike looks pretty 
> nice. I retained the 62 cm BMC, the 61 cm Roadeo went to Mr "can you help 
> me with my fender line" Guild. The BMC Road planes for me, the Roadeo is 
> more comfortable on a longer ride. Same build bits on both all around 
> except for stems and bars (threadless stem and dream bars v conventional 
> and noodles).  
>
> Mike SLO CA 
>
> On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 9:09:34 AM UTC-8, ted wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your impressions. Somehow I had gotten the idea RBW 
>> intended the Roadini to be less expensive but functionally equivalent to 
>> the Roadeo (similar to the previous Hillborne Hillson pair where GP has 
>> written if he closes his eyes he cant tell which he is riding). I was 
>> surprised when I read how different you found the Roadini and Roadeo to be, 
>> and it left me wondering if the Black Mountain was functionally more like 
>> one or the other or maybe someplace in between.
>>
>> again, thanks for the info
>> ted
>>
>> On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 5:45:04 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd call the Black Mountain a low cost Roadeo.  Fits similar.  Rides 
>>> similar.  It's nowhere near as beautiful, and well crafted aesthetically, 
>>> but I consider it functionally equivalent.  Having one of each in my 
>>> collection (which I do) only "makes sense" if I'm going to keep them at 
>>> different locations (which I do).  My Black Mountain Road lives at my mom's 
>>> house.  I can grab it off the hook and rip off a 20 - 120 mile ride and 
>>> it's like an old friend.  The Black Mountain Road is different from the Leo 
>>> in exactly the ways the Roadeo is different from the Leo.  
>>>
>>> Another way to represent the difference in attitude that I've used 
>>> before and that a couple listers found useful is this:  On the Roadeo and 
>>> on the Black Mountain Road, I feel a little bit weird if I'm not wearing 
>>> racing kit.  On the Leo, I felt a little bit weird if I was wearing racing 
>>> kit.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 9:00:18 PM UTC-8, ted wrote:

 Thanks Bill. Could you also expound on how the black mountain road (not 
 plus) relates to the Roadini and Roadeo?
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi LL:
For small sizes that you're seeking, I'd recommend a call to Riv. There's 
sometimes a hidden treasure in the warehouse of frame sizes at the 
extremes. I'm sure they'd like to sell them, if they have them.

Good luck!
shoji




On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 4:26:06 PM UTC-5, Lesli Larson wrote:
>
> Rich,
>
> Thank you for the notes and prompts. It's always a bit of an easter egg 
> hunt to find the right and still available Riv frames (via dealers and 
> email inquiries). I'm thinking the 47cm or 50cm Roadini might be the ticket 
> (raising an internal subdebate about whether I would prefer 650b or 700c on 
> this bike).
>
> Side note: I saw a really nice Atlantis build at the Rivelo shop in PDX. 
> 56 cm with 650b wheels. It would be a great bike for the right person. 
>
> I appreciate the notes on the Hilsen as well.
>
> Best,
>
> LL
>
> On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 12:13:49 PM UTC-8, RichS wrote:
>>
>> Lesli:
>>
>> A couple of non-Roadeo pint size alternatives for you:
>>
>> - The Roadini comes in 47 and 50cm sizes. Check with Riv's dealers to see 
>> if they have your size. Possibly Riv has one hidden away in storage. There 
>> has been speculation about whether or not Roadinis will stay in production. 
>> I put this question to Spencer at Riv a couple of months back and he said a 
>> shipment is expected March/April.
>>
>> - A Homer Hilsen comes in a 47.5cm size. Right in your wheelhouse. I have 
>> a new MIT Homer and a Sam Hillborne and I will say the Homer rides lighter 
>> and feels more roadish (to be sure not Roadeo like) than the Sam. For 
>> comparison, I might call the Sam a heavy duty rando bike since the tubing 
>> is a bit more stout than Homer's.
>>
>> - Smallest published size for the Roadeo is 51cm
>>
>> Best of luck with your search!
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 12:27:22 PM UTC-5, Lesli Larson wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm loving the new ROADEO. I've been on the hunt for a go fast, but 
>>> still steel roadbike that would serve as an alternate for my heavy duty 
>>> rando bike. The Roadeo, especially one built by Nobilette, might just be 
>>> the ticket. One issue: I have a PB height of 75 so I'm right at the margin 
>>> of not fitting the smallest frame size (I'm 5'2 and typically ride Rivs in 
>>> the 50cm range). I'm tempted to try anyway since I'm used to riding bikes 
>>> with zero standover clearance (it's like mounting and riding a large 
>>> horse). Does anyone remember whether there was ever smaller sizes for this 
>>> model? Part of me wonders if I should opt for the custom option so I could 
>>> get something a little more petite (with same specs). 
>>>
>>> Also, if anyone knows of a used ROADEO or RIV road in a pint size 
>>> (48-50) on the market, let me know!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Lesli Larson
>>> Eugene, Oregon
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:

 Hey, Y'all:

 Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. 
 So there ya go!

 All good, right?

 Jock Dewey / Athens, GA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Lesli Larson]

Rich,

Thank you for the notes and prompts. It's always a bit of an easter egg 
hunt to find the right and still available Riv frames (via dealers and 
email inquiries). I'm thinking the 47cm or 50cm Roadini might be the ticket 
(raising an internal subdebate about whether I would prefer 650b or 700c on 
this bike).

Side note: I saw a really nice Atlantis build at the Rivelo shop in PDX. 56 
cm with 650b wheels. It would be a great bike for the right person. 

I appreciate the notes on the Hilsen as well.

Best,

LL

On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 12:13:49 PM UTC-8, RichS wrote:
>
> Lesli:
>
> A couple of non-Roadeo pint size alternatives for you:
>
> - The Roadini comes in 47 and 50cm sizes. Check with Riv's dealers to see 
> if they have your size. Possibly Riv has one hidden away in storage. There 
> has been speculation about whether or not Roadinis will stay in production. 
> I put this question to Spencer at Riv a couple of months back and he said a 
> shipment is expected March/April.
>
> - A Homer Hilsen comes in a 47.5cm size. Right in your wheelhouse. I have 
> a new MIT Homer and a Sam Hillborne and I will say the Homer rides lighter 
> and feels more roadish (to be sure not Roadeo like) than the Sam. For 
> comparison, I might call the Sam a heavy duty rando bike since the tubing 
> is a bit more stout than Homer's.
>
> - Smallest published size for the Roadeo is 51cm
>
> Best of luck with your search!
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 12:27:22 PM UTC-5, Lesli Larson wrote:
>>
>> I'm loving the new ROADEO. I've been on the hunt for a go fast, but still 
>> steel roadbike that would serve as an alternate for my heavy duty rando 
>> bike. The Roadeo, especially one built by Nobilette, might just be the 
>> ticket. One issue: I have a PB height of 75 so I'm right at the margin of 
>> not fitting the smallest frame size (I'm 5'2 and typically ride Rivs in the 
>> 50cm range). I'm tempted to try anyway since I'm used to riding bikes with 
>> zero standover clearance (it's like mounting and riding a large horse). 
>> Does anyone remember whether there was ever smaller sizes for this model? 
>> Part of me wonders if I should opt for the custom option so I could get 
>> something a little more petite (with same specs). 
>>
>> Also, if anyone knows of a used ROADEO or RIV road in a pint size (48-50) 
>> on the market, let me know!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Lesli Larson
>> Eugene, Oregon
>>
>> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey, Y'all:
>>>
>>> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. 
>>> So there ya go!
>>>
>>> All good, right?
>>>
>>> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[RichS]

Lesli:

A couple of non-Roadeo pint size alternatives for you:

- The Roadini comes in 47 and 50cm sizes. Check with Riv's dealers to see 
if they have your size. Possibly Riv has one hidden away in storage. There 
has been speculation about whether or not Roadinis will stay in production. 
I put this question to Spencer at Riv a couple of months back and he said a 
shipment is expected March/April.

- A Homer Hilsen comes in a 47.5cm size. Right in your wheelhouse. I have a 
new MIT Homer and a Sam Hillborne and I will say the Homer rides lighter 
and feels more roadish (to be sure not Roadeo like) than the Sam. For 
comparison, I might call the Sam a heavy duty rando bike since the tubing 
is a bit more stout than Homer's.

- Smallest published size for the Roadeo is 51cm

Best of luck with your search!
Rich in ATL

On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 12:27:22 PM UTC-5, Lesli Larson wrote:
>
> I'm loving the new ROADEO. I've been on the hunt for a go fast, but still 
> steel roadbike that would serve as an alternate for my heavy duty rando 
> bike. The Roadeo, especially one built by Nobilette, might just be the 
> ticket. One issue: I have a PB height of 75 so I'm right at the margin of 
> not fitting the smallest frame size (I'm 5'2 and typically ride Rivs in the 
> 50cm range). I'm tempted to try anyway since I'm used to riding bikes with 
> zero standover clearance (it's like mounting and riding a large horse). 
> Does anyone remember whether there was ever smaller sizes for this model? 
> Part of me wonders if I should opt for the custom option so I could get 
> something a little more petite (with same specs). 
>
> Also, if anyone knows of a used ROADEO or RIV road in a pint size (48-50) 
> on the market, let me know!
>
> Best,
>
> Lesli Larson
> Eugene, Oregon
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Y'all:
>>
>> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. 
>> So there ya go!
>>
>> All good, right?
>>
>> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Lesli Larson]

I'm loving the new ROADEO. I've been on the hunt for a go fast, but still 
steel roadbike that would serve as an alternate for my heavy duty rando 
bike. The Roadeo, especially one built by Nobilette, might just be the 
ticket. One issue: I have a PB height of 75 so I'm right at the margin of 
not fitting the smallest frame size (I'm 5'2 and typically ride Rivs in the 
50cm range). I'm tempted to try anyway since I'm used to riding bikes with 
zero standover clearance (it's like mounting and riding a large horse). 
Does anyone remember whether there was ever smaller sizes for this model? 
Part of me wonders if I should opt for the custom option so I could get 
something a little more petite (with same specs). 

Also, if anyone knows of a used ROADEO or RIV road in a pint size (48-50) 
on the market, let me know!

Best,

Lesli Larson
Eugene, Oregon

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>
> Hey, Y'all:
>
> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. So 
> there ya go!
>
> All good, right?
>
> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Mike Godwin]

I tend to agree with Mr Lindsay. Having both, but keeping one, the ride is 
very similar between the BMC Road and Roadeo. And agree, aesthetics and 
build quality differ, but the BMC Road for a tig welded bike looks pretty 
nice. I retained the 62 cm BMC, the 61 cm Roadeo went to Mr "can you help 
me with my fender line" Guild. The BMC Road planes for me, the Roadeo is 
more comfortable on a longer ride. Same build bits on both all around 
except for stems and bars (threadless stem and dream bars v conventional 
and noodles).  

Mike SLO CA 

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 9:09:34 AM UTC-8, ted wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Thanks for sharing your impressions. Somehow I had gotten the idea RBW 
> intended the Roadini to be less expensive but functionally equivalent to 
> the Roadeo (similar to the previous Hillborne Hillson pair where GP has 
> written if he closes his eyes he cant tell which he is riding). I was 
> surprised when I read how different you found the Roadini and Roadeo to be, 
> and it left me wondering if the Black Mountain was functionally more like 
> one or the other or maybe someplace in between.
>
> again, thanks for the info
> ted
>
> On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 5:45:04 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I'd call the Black Mountain a low cost Roadeo.  Fits similar.  Rides 
>> similar.  It's nowhere near as beautiful, and well crafted aesthetically, 
>> but I consider it functionally equivalent.  Having one of each in my 
>> collection (which I do) only "makes sense" if I'm going to keep them at 
>> different locations (which I do).  My Black Mountain Road lives at my mom's 
>> house.  I can grab it off the hook and rip off a 20 - 120 mile ride and 
>> it's like an old friend.  The Black Mountain Road is different from the Leo 
>> in exactly the ways the Roadeo is different from the Leo.  
>>
>> Another way to represent the difference in attitude that I've used before 
>> and that a couple listers found useful is this:  On the Roadeo and on the 
>> Black Mountain Road, I feel a little bit weird if I'm not wearing racing 
>> kit.  On the Leo, I felt a little bit weird if I was wearing racing kit.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 9:00:18 PM UTC-8, ted wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Bill. Could you also expound on how the black mountain road (not 
>>> plus) relates to the Roadini and Roadeo?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[ted]

Bill,

Thanks for sharing your impressions. Somehow I had gotten the idea RBW 
intended the Roadini to be less expensive but functionally equivalent to 
the Roadeo (similar to the previous Hillborne Hillson pair where GP has 
written if he closes his eyes he cant tell which he is riding). I was 
surprised when I read how different you found the Roadini and Roadeo to be, 
and it left me wondering if the Black Mountain was functionally more like 
one or the other or maybe someplace in between.

again, thanks for the info
ted

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 5:45:04 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I'd call the Black Mountain a low cost Roadeo.  Fits similar.  Rides 
> similar.  It's nowhere near as beautiful, and well crafted aesthetically, 
> but I consider it functionally equivalent.  Having one of each in my 
> collection (which I do) only "makes sense" if I'm going to keep them at 
> different locations (which I do).  My Black Mountain Road lives at my mom's 
> house.  I can grab it off the hook and rip off a 20 - 120 mile ride and 
> it's like an old friend.  The Black Mountain Road is different from the Leo 
> in exactly the ways the Roadeo is different from the Leo.  
>
> Another way to represent the difference in attitude that I've used before 
> and that a couple listers found useful is this:  On the Roadeo and on the 
> Black Mountain Road, I feel a little bit weird if I'm not wearing racing 
> kit.  On the Leo, I felt a little bit weird if I was wearing racing kit.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 9:00:18 PM UTC-8, ted wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Bill. Could you also expound on how the black mountain road (not 
>> plus) relates to the Roadini and Roadeo?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Bill Lindsay]

I'd call the Black Mountain a low cost Roadeo.  Fits similar.  Rides 
similar.  It's nowhere near as beautiful, and well crafted aesthetically, 
but I consider it functionally equivalent.  Having one of each in my 
collection (which I do) only "makes sense" if I'm going to keep them at 
different locations (which I do).  My Black Mountain Road lives at my mom's 
house.  I can grab it off the hook and rip off a 20 - 120 mile ride and 
it's like an old friend.  The Black Mountain Road is different from the Leo 
in exactly the ways the Roadeo is different from the Leo.  

Another way to represent the difference in attitude that I've used before 
and that a couple listers found useful is this:  On the Roadeo and on the 
Black Mountain Road, I feel a little bit weird if I'm not wearing racing 
kit.  On the Leo, I felt a little bit weird if I was wearing racing kit.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 9:00:18 PM UTC-8, ted wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill. Could you also expound on how the black mountain road (not 
> plus) relates to the Roadini and Roadeo?

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[ted]

Thanks Bill. Could you also expound on how the black mountain road (not plus) 
relates to the Roadini and Roadeo?

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Joe Bernard]

Yeah, but is it a race bike? 

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[tc]

Thanks, Bill.  So, what you're saying is ... the Rodeo is  a race 
bike?  Point driven home!

Kidding aside, a couple of your points popped out to me, applying to any 
type of bike and riding:
- Actual and perceived speeds are likely significantly different.  
Geometry, and tires, fool riders.  
- Toys are nice to have!  No justification needed.

Tom, who is selling his Roadini 
 
(not to get a Roadeo)

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Bill Lindsay]

They are very different bikes and both excellent.  The Roadeo is a very 
traditional, conventional, but mature road racing bike.  I have no doubt in 
my mind that if we had a time machine and swapped Greg Lemond's Della Santa 
with a Roadeo, he would have have won the same races.  If we gave Miguel 
Indurain a 21 pound Roadeo to replace his 24 pound Banesto bike, he would 
have still won the tour de France several times.  The Roadeo is a race 
bike.  If you want a race bike and do the fun kind of riding that people do 
on a race bike, it's a spectacular bike for that.  Traditional, 
conventional, optimized, stunningly beautiful, masterfully crafted RACE 
BIKE.  

The Leo Roadini is an evolved road bike.  If your approach to road riding 
is more relaxed than a real race bike kind of approach, you might prefer 
it.  The bars will be higher.  I ran my bars slammed and they were still 
high.  It feels less racy, it is more comforable.  I felt I was in a sofa 
it was so easy and leisurely, and for me the surprise was it was 
objectively faster.  Faster or not, more comfortable or not, it did not 
feel like I was racing.  People who want their road bike to feel like they 
are racing might be turned off to it.  Defintiely people who want a 
traditional, conventional race bike look are pretty consistently turned off 
by the Roadini.  

If you need you bike to feel like a race bike, you will likely prefer the 
Roadeo.  If you need your bike to look like a race bike, you almost 
certainly will prefer the Roadeo.  If your strength and flexibility demand 
that you get the bars low, your will definitely prefer the Roadeo.  

If you are looking for a more evolved and dignified 'just ride' approach to 
paved riding that costs ~$1800 less and may be measurably faster for you, 
then the Leo is a good option.  

Why do I have a Roadeo when the Leo was so good?  I want a race bike in my 
stable.  I actually have three race bikes in my stable.  The Roadeo is a 
race bike.  The Legolas is a race bike.  My hard tail mountain bike is a 
race bike.  I use them for rides that are fun to do on a race bike.  The 
race bike slots in my stable are far more "toy" slots than "tool" slots.  I 
own them because they are fun to own, and fun to ride.  If I moved to a 
one-bike living situation, all my race bikes would be out the door. That's 
a fact.  I'd likely keep a brevet bike that can do errands, commuting, road 
rides, touring, and light trail stuff.   That may be my current Sam 
Hillborne, or it could be my actual brevet bike, a Norther Lyon.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 4:55:56 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> Bill, since you've put mileage on both a Rodeo and Roadini, what 
> significant differences in handling, comfort, and feel would you list?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 10:20:46 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> When I got my Nobilette Legolas, I asked myself "why don't they have Nobi 
>> build the Roadeo also?"  I don't think Waterford has historically treated 
>> Rivendell all that well, and I try to avoid Waterford Rivendells for that 
>> reason, purely spite.  I'll seriously think about upgrading my Waterford 
>> Roadeo to a Nobilette Roadeo.  Let me know if you are dying for a 59.  I'd 
>> pay $1000 for the karma upgrade, so $1800 shipped for my Waterford Roadeo 
>> frame fork and chris king headset.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey, Y'all:
>>>
>>> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. 
>>> So there ya go!
>>>
>>> All good, right?
>>>
>>> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[tc]

Bill, since you've put mileage on both a Rodeo and Roadini, what 
significant differences in handling, comfort, and feel would you list?

Thanks,
Tom

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 10:20:46 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> When I got my Nobilette Legolas, I asked myself "why don't they have Nobi 
> build the Roadeo also?"  I don't think Waterford has historically treated 
> Rivendell all that well, and I try to avoid Waterford Rivendells for that 
> reason, purely spite.  I'll seriously think about upgrading my Waterford 
> Roadeo to a Nobilette Roadeo.  Let me know if you are dying for a 59.  I'd 
> pay $1000 for the karma upgrade, so $1800 shipped for my Waterford Roadeo 
> frame fork and chris king headset.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Y'all:
>>
>> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. 
>> So there ya go!
>>
>> All good, right?
>>
>> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Garth]

I see , thank you ! 

Apparently the email arrive in their own time. 

The Rodeo looks just like a Rodeo  ;-)

-

As to the bit about the "secret menu",  I always considered any mainstream 
production model Riv made as available as a custom, as it's not as if the 
know-how is lost, forgotten or forbidden  .  Just ask !  Since it's a 
custom that also means if there was some detail that wasn't on the original 
that you'd wish it had, and it was "in line" with the Riv sensibilities, 
it's likely a yeah. Pretty great ! 

I love my parallel TT  Bombadil . I've not ridden since the last warm spell 
a few weeks ago so I went for a jaunt between the rain bands around the 
driveway and then up and down a few streets to stretch my legs, so to 
speak, and it was Grand !   All this talk about long chainstays and 
wheelbases reminded me how at the time it was longest production frame in 
both that Riv had ever made. 



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>
> Garth,
>
> From an email received 1-9-20
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Mike Godwin]

I may have to claw it back. But then you could get a 62 Roadeo

Mike SLO CA

On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 4:06:50 AM UTC-8, John G. wrote:

> Is this a sign that I should sell my 61 cm Roadeo so that I can get a 63 
> cm Roadeo? Or is it a sign that I need TWO Roadeos? 
>
> Also: Bombadils are still an option? Anyone know what a Bomba costs? I 
> have all the parts I’d need to build one up...

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Bill Lindsay]

I have don't know for sure how you would tell the difference between a 
Nobilette and a Waterford Legolas.  I know some Waterford bikes have 
"Waterford" cast into the rear dropouts, but I don't think it's all of 
them.  I think the serial number may give a clue.  

Bill

On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 8:44:27 AM UTC-8, MoVelo wrote:
>
> Bill
>
> I bought my Legolas second hand so not sure if it is Waterford or 
> Nobliette. How can I tell the difference?
>
> thanks
>
> James Poulson
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 9:20:46 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> When I got my Nobilette Legolas, I asked myself "why don't they have Nobi 
>> build the Roadeo also?"  I don't think Waterford has historically treated 
>> Rivendell all that well, and I try to avoid Waterford Rivendells for that 
>> reason, purely spite.  I'll seriously think about upgrading my Waterford 
>> Roadeo to a Nobilette Roadeo.  Let me know if you are dying for a 59.  I'd 
>> pay $1000 for the karma upgrade, so $1800 shipped for my Waterford Roadeo 
>> frame fork and chris king headset.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey, Y'all:
>>>
>>> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. 
>>> So there ya go!
>>>
>>> All good, right?
>>>
>>> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[MoVelo]

Bill

I bought my Legolas second hand so not sure if it is Waterford or 
Nobliette. How can I tell the difference?

thanks

James Poulson

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 9:20:46 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> When I got my Nobilette Legolas, I asked myself "why don't they have Nobi 
> build the Roadeo also?"  I don't think Waterford has historically treated 
> Rivendell all that well, and I try to avoid Waterford Rivendells for that 
> reason, purely spite.  I'll seriously think about upgrading my Waterford 
> Roadeo to a Nobilette Roadeo.  Let me know if you are dying for a 59.  I'd 
> pay $1000 for the karma upgrade, so $1800 shipped for my Waterford Roadeo 
> frame fork and chris king headset.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Y'all:
>>
>> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. 
>> So there ya go!
>>
>> All good, right?
>>
>> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Will @ Riv]

That's actually a Waterford Roadeo pictured in the email, we don't have a 
Nobilette one yet. Regarding the seatlug, you can pick, either socketed or 
traditional. The default is traditional.
-will

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Scott Calhoun]

Yes please, link to the photo! I can’t seem to find the photo on Rivs site. 

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Scott Calhoun]

I don’t like the price of the RH crankset, but if you want an 11 speed 
compatibility, 177mm arms, a very narrow Q factor in a subcompact double (I’ve 
run 30/46 and 32/48), there are no other options that I know of. IMO the RH 
style looks perfect for a Roadeo. If you can live with 170, 175 cranks with a 
slightly wider Q factor, there are other choices. 

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Jock Dewey]

Indeed. That configuration is the latest RIV design. Not my cup o' tea, but 
certainly rock solid!

Jock Dewey / Athens, GA

On Friday, January 10, 2020 at 10:59:34 AM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I have a 59cm Roadeo ( 3+ years old ) and I noticed in the picture of the 
> new Roadeo that the conection of the seat lug and the seat stay looks 
> different. Just an observation.
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Y'all:
>>
>> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. 
>> So there ya go!
>>
>> All good, right?
>>
>> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Don Compton]

I have a 59cm Roadeo ( 3+ years old ) and I noticed in the picture of the 
new Roadeo that the conection of the seat lug and the seat stay looks 
different. Just an observation.

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>
> Hey, Y'all:
>
> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. So 
> there ya go!
>
> All good, right?
>
> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Joe Bernard]

Bombadil and Wilbury/Glorius are whatever the custom price is now. 

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Garth]

This reminds of sports broadcasters on the radio who get so caught up in 
the action that they forget the medium they are working with and proceed as 
if it's TV and everyone is visually seeing it as they are  ...oops ... 
*there are no pictures on radio ! *

A direct link of said pic would be greatly helpful . 



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>
> Hey, Y'all:
>
> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. So 
> there ya go!
>
> All good, right?
>
> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[John G.]

Is this a sign that I should sell my 61 cm Roadeo so that I can get a 63 cm 
Roadeo? Or is it a sign that I need TWO Roadeos?

Also: Bombadils are still an option? Anyone know what a Bomba costs? I have all 
the parts I’d need to build one up...

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Brian Campbell]

I have a Waterford AHH and A Nobilette Legolas. The Legolas simply 
fantastic.


On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 10:20:46 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> When I got my Nobilette Legolas, I asked myself "why don't they have Nobi 
> build the Roadeo also?"  I don't think Waterford has historically treated 
> Rivendell all that well, and I try to avoid Waterford Rivendells for that 
> reason, purely spite.  I'll seriously think about upgrading my Waterford 
> Roadeo to a Nobilette Roadeo.  Let me know if you are dying for a 59.  I'd 
> pay $1000 for the karma upgrade, so $1800 shipped for my Waterford Roadeo 
> frame fork and chris king headset.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Y'all:
>>
>> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. 
>> So there ya go!
>>
>> All good, right?
>>
>> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Bill Lindsay]

When I got my Nobilette Legolas, I asked myself "why don't they have Nobi 
build the Roadeo also?"  I don't think Waterford has historically treated 
Rivendell all that well, and I try to avoid Waterford Rivendells for that 
reason, purely spite.  I'll seriously think about upgrading my Waterford 
Roadeo to a Nobilette Roadeo.  Let me know if you are dying for a 59.  I'd 
pay $1000 for the karma upgrade, so $1800 shipped for my Waterford Roadeo 
frame fork and chris king headset.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>
> Hey, Y'all:
>
> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. So 
> there ya go!
>
> All good, right?
>
> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>

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[RBW] Re: New ROADEO

[Clayton.sf]

Love the tires. Not a fan of the cranks at all.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 4:04:03 PM UTC-8, Jock Dewey wrote:
>
> Hey, Y'all:
>
> Pic of new Nobilette ROADEO on the site, with RH crankset and RH tires. So 
> there ya go!
>
> All good, right?
>
> Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

If I recall correctly, all Rivendellian Atlantises are of the “2” variety, 
since the name was borrowed from a Bridgestone product called Atlantis. Thusly, 
whether an Atlantis is from Toyo, Waterford or the Taiwanese company, they are 
all called Atlantis 2.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Reed Kennedy]

Thanks Tom, I appreciate the compliment! I'm planning to add it to a
"resources" sticky over on the iBOB list sometime soon. I'm not quite sure
how aligned this project is with the Riv philosophy, so I've been
relatively quieter about it here.

I'm also planning to write a blog post about the project once I have more
data (and time to write something more professional).


Best,
Reed

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 5:06 PM tc  wrote:

> Reed, I think this deserves the sticky thread treatment, given:
>
>- It's a lot of data that (hopefully) will be collected over time
>- It's a wonderful gift to the community
>- It would be hard to find, as this thread is entitled "New Roadeo (to
>me)"
>
>
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[tc]

Reed, I think this deserves the sticky thread treatment, given:

   - It's a lot of data that (hopefully) will be collected over time
   - It's a wonderful gift to the community
   - It would be hard to find, as this thread is entitled "New Roadeo (to 
   me)"


Tom
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Lum Gim Fong]

How does your gadget work and measure tubing thickness without cutting the tube 
in half?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[sameness]

I'm pretty sure all the pre-MIT Atlantii sported the #2 livery, owing to 
the existence of a Bridgestone Atlantis 
? As always, I am 
prepared to be wrong.

Jeff "Toyo or No" Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 7:31:27 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> Looks like it goes with the earlier Toyo Atlantises, before the 
> Atlantis^2?... Of course, the problem now is figuring out which ones those 
> are! I guess it'd be any Atlantis that doesn't have the "2" on the decals? 
> Would love to track one down and compare.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Reed Kennedy]

Thanks Tom! Good find, I'm glad to have that spec sheet. Looks like it goes
with the earlier Toyo Atlantises, before the Atlantis^2?

Of course, the problem now is figuring out which ones those are! I guess
it'd be any Atlantis that doesn't have the "2" on the decals? Would love to
track one down and compare.

I do have another sheet where I track frames I've measured against
published specs. So far things are pretty close...


Best,
Reed

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 5:52 PM tc  wrote:

> Reed, this is a very cool think you're doing :)  I'm not a left coaster,
> or I'd gladly have you measure them!  I did find this Toyo Atlantis build
> spec, including tubing, on Sheldon's site you might find interesting for
> comparing your actual results:
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/atlantis.html#specifications
>
> Tom
>
> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 10:31:24 AM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 7:39 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> As I understand it the Roadeo has significantly thinner tubing than the
>>> Romulus and Ram I owned. Noticeable enough that my one very short ride
>>> around the building at RBW told me I was riding a different, whippier,
>>> snappier bike than what I was familiar with. To my mind it was the
>>> difference between a Riv road bike built to a survivable standard under
>>> fairly stout riders, and one with a definite weight limit. Almost a
>>> "production custom", if you will.
>>>
>>
>> For the curious, the tubing wall thickness measurements I've taken of
>> several similar-sized Rivendell bikes can be found here:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XeS2nJhBPSDRbqgG1-F2VOI_vK1QZnZmysARDJWyGps/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Please note that I strongly suspect Riv uses different gauges of tubing
>> for different sizes, so these measurements almost certainly do not reflect
>> the tubing spec of smaller frames. I look forward to measuring other sizes
>> and finding out for sure!
>>
>> That said, since the Hunqapillar, Rambouillet, Roadeo, and Hilsen shown
>> at that link are all in the same size "neighborhood" it probably does give
>> a fair idea of the relative differences between the models.
>>
>> If anyone is around the SF Bay Area and would like their bikes measured,
>> please drop me a line!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Reed
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[tc]

Reed, this is a very cool think you're doing :)  I'm not a left coaster, or 
I'd gladly have you measure them!  I did find this Toyo Atlantis build 
spec, including tubing, on Sheldon's site you might find interesting for 
comparing your actual 
results:  http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/atlantis.html#specifications

Tom

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 10:31:24 AM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 7:39 PM Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> As I understand it the Roadeo has significantly thinner tubing than the 
>> Romulus and Ram I owned. Noticeable enough that my one very short ride 
>> around the building at RBW told me I was riding a different, whippier, 
>> snappier bike than what I was familiar with. To my mind it was the 
>> difference between a Riv road bike built to a survivable standard under 
>> fairly stout riders, and one with a definite weight limit. Almost a 
>> "production custom", if you will. 
>>
>
> For the curious, the tubing wall thickness measurements I've taken of 
> several similar-sized Rivendell bikes can be found here:
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XeS2nJhBPSDRbqgG1-F2VOI_vK1QZnZmysARDJWyGps/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Please note that I strongly suspect Riv uses different gauges of tubing 
> for different sizes, so these measurements almost certainly do not reflect 
> the tubing spec of smaller frames. I look forward to measuring other sizes 
> and finding out for sure!
>
> That said, since the Hunqapillar, Rambouillet, Roadeo, and Hilsen shown at 
> that link are all in the same size "neighborhood" it probably does give a 
> fair idea of the relative differences between the models.
>
> If anyone is around the SF Bay Area and would like their bikes measured, 
> please drop me a line!
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Mark R.]

I thought I recognized the hubs on the bike in the background of your other 
bike for sale ;0)


Mark Rosenberg
SDCA

lets see pics of the whole Roadeo!

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 12:40:05 AM UTC-7, Mike Godwin wrote:
>
> Ooh, ooh, I got one too! :) Found it on local CL, looking for an Atlantis 
> at the time but this came up for a steal of a price, so who could 
> resist? White with blue accents It too has downtube cable stops rather than 
> shifter bosses. I would prefer shifter bosses, but for a bike in my size 
> and decent parts and great price within 20 miles ... Came with Rich built 
> ultegra hubs/open pro rims, 3x 14 g straight gauge spokes. The bike felt 
> dead, not Surly Crosscheck dead but nothing like a Legolas, or my Lemond 
> Zurich or even mid 70s Bob Jackson. The shoes it runs on now are velocity 
> aerohead/dura ace 7x00 (thanks Mark R) with 14-16-14 g spokes, continental 
> 4000 GP extra special wunder bar etc tires. Much more lively ride. Fits 36 
> mm measured tires. Braking by Royal Gran Comp/koolstop.  I removed the 
> bulky ultegra brakes and fugly 4-arm 105 black crank. It sports a Ritchey 
> Logic crank with willow rings (thanks David B). 
>
> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 7:39:14 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> As I understand it the Roadeo has significantly thinner tubing than the 
>> Romulus and Ram I owned. Noticeable enough that my one very short ride 
>> around the building at RBW told me I was riding a different, whippier, 
>> snappier bike than what I was familiar with. To my mind it was the 
>> difference between a Riv road bike built to a survivable standard under 
>> fairly stout riders, and one with a definite weight limit. Almost a 
>> "production custom", if you will. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Lum Gim Fong]

Ha!
After I typed that, I was thinking, had I bought the Roadeo first, I probably 
would have bought the others anyway because I would have then wanted to try 
loaded 42x650b riding!!!
Either way, you wind up being a multi-riv owner at some point!!
The beauty of it is that RBW makes so many models/options to try for all kinds 
of riding!

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Ash]

> If I would have known this I would have not bought the first 4 Rivs and 
> just come up out of the pocket for a Roadeo from the start.
>
>
But then you wouldn't have known that this is _the_ one :)




On Thursday, 20 September 2018 15:49:57 UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> 53cm  Roadeo
>
> Bought the frame from lister. Built it up.
> Usual Rivish component stuff.
> Also:
> 40cm Nitto M151F bar.
> SONdeluxwidebody/Pacenti Brevet/Sapim Race spokes/VO rear Touring hub 700c 
> wheels.
> GB Cypress tires
>
> Way easier to pedal down the road than any other Rivbike I have owned. 
> Very fast and doesn't bog down on hills. Just keeps its momentum nicely.
> If I would have known this I would have not bought the first 4 Rivs and 
> just come up out of the pocket for a Roadeo from the start.
>
> Pics:  https://flic.kr/s/aHsmpG4rwT
> Enjoy!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Joe Bernard]

I think what you get with a Roadeo in the 55-under sizes is basically a 
production version of Mark Abele's custom road bikes. He's a light, fast guy 
and it's but to work for him. I want one! 

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Lum Gim Fong]

True, but tires and wheel size/makes made no diff, in my experience between the 
bike models. 
(GB30,42/Compass28,32, 38, 42/Pasela/Swifty/Rumpkin/Marathons). Whole spectrum 
tried. Alleged fastest and alleged slowest tires made.  650b/700c. Twin 
Holla’/GB/Pacenti/Synergy/A23/CR18/, LX/VO,Velocity/105, Sapim/DTSwiss/Wheelman 
wheelsets.

Each bike model retained its innate ride characteristics no matter what I used, 
though suppler tires helped them each along individually.  All my Rivs had 
Rivish Nitto/Sugino builds, except my 55 Bleriot was Ultegra’d out. Still rode 
like my heavier 53 Nitto/Sugino Bleriot. Sam rides like Bleriot. Ram a step 
above. Roadeo a leap above them all.

Roadeo in a different efficiency/speed class than my other 4 rivs.

Regardless of tire model, I found that a Bleriot still rides like a Bleriot; 
Sam like a Sam; a Ram like a Ram, etc. Roadeo a step above in ease of movin on 
down the road.

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Keep in mind that these tubes are OS, so the 8/5/8 will flex similarly to a 
9/6/9, and the 6/4.5 would translate roughly to a 7/5/7 in terms of 
measurable flexing properties. It of course matters more when you are 
comparing Rivs to vintage standard tubing steels like 531, Columbus SL, 
Ishiwata 022 and Tange Prestige.

I kind of get the planing thing, but I'm not convinced that tubing of the 
main triangle is the main reason a bike will feel good. Tires as we know 
makes a big difference, as do lots of other factors that add up. Bottom 
line for me these days is, I'm pretty easy to pleasy.

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 9:13:13 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> I guess the thinner wall tubing (6/4/6 DT/TT) , shorter chainstays, and 
> hand trimmed HT lugs?
> The early ones had the trimmed HT lugs, iirc. You can see the points cut 
> off.
> Not that that would really make any difference, I don't think.
> From a Grant interview we know that the Roadeo  tubing is: ("Mix of 
> Reynolds 725 and TrueTemp OX Plat. As thin as I/Grant could stand to go. 
> (0.65 butts in the tt and dt, with 0.45 bellies")
> I weigh 146lbs. Have weighed from there up to 178 on my other four 
> previous 8/5/8 Rivs that rode great but sometimes on hills felt as if I 
> could not get out of my own way on the 8/5/8's, regardless of tire types.
>
> So maybe the lighter tubing of the Roadeo behaves better for my weight 
> class? Maybe 8/5/8 is more cooperative for people in the 175+lb. range like 
> a 6/4/6 would be for people below 175? Just speculating. But I have owned 
> three 8/5/8 Rivs and the Ram was best at climbing and had lighter tubing 
> rear triangle than Sam and Bleriots I had. But it still would bog down on 
> hills but not as bad as the Bleriots and Sam did for me. Though I have 
> loved riding them all.
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Lum Gim Fong]

What kinda wheels you have on it?

The Ram rode the same for me at any weight. Not as good on hills as Roadeo, 
but good enough and a fantastic, comfy ride.
It also has a little more room for fenders and 32mm tires than Roadeo.
I love the blue paint, too. If I ever have to repaint the Roadeo I think I 
would do it in Ram blue, if I can ever find out what that color is called.

But if someone wanted to trade me their Roadeo for it I would take them up 
on the offer!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Patrick Moore]

Aha. That may explain the difference in your experience. I'm almost 30 lb
heavier, and I'm pretty sure that the tubing on my customs is not as
thinwall (Chauncey Matthews came by to pick up the '99 Joe Starck frame --
f/f/hs -- for alteration. He lifted it and said, "Huh. Not so light.") But
damn, that bike just feels fast, and it has been surprising me in that way
for coming on to 20 years next April. Light wheels, certainly, but I'm
convinced that fit/position/geometry has a effect. (The '99 Joe is 18.1 lb
on a digital scale with conventional parts.)


On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 7:13 AM, Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

>
> I weigh 146lbs. Have weighed from there up to 178 on my other four
> previous 8/5/8 Rivs that rode great but sometimes on hills felt as if I
> could not get out of my own way on the 8/5/8's, regardless of tire types.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Reed Kennedy]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 7:39 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> As I understand it the Roadeo has significantly thinner tubing than the
> Romulus and Ram I owned. Noticeable enough that my one very short ride
> around the building at RBW told me I was riding a different, whippier,
> snappier bike than what I was familiar with. To my mind it was the
> difference between a Riv road bike built to a survivable standard under
> fairly stout riders, and one with a definite weight limit. Almost a
> "production custom", if you will.
>

For the curious, the tubing wall thickness measurements I've taken of
several similar-sized Rivendell bikes can be found here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XeS2nJhBPSDRbqgG1-F2VOI_vK1QZnZmysARDJWyGps/edit?usp=sharing

Please note that I strongly suspect Riv uses different gauges of tubing for
different sizes, so these measurements almost certainly do not reflect the
tubing spec of smaller frames. I look forward to measuring other sizes and
finding out for sure!

That said, since the Hunqapillar, Rambouillet, Roadeo, and Hilsen shown at
that link are all in the same size "neighborhood" it probably does give a
fair idea of the relative differences between the models.

If anyone is around the SF Bay Area and would like their bikes measured,
please drop me a line!


Best,
Reed

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Lum Gim Fong]

I guess the thinner wall tubing (6/4/6 DT/TT) , shorter chainstays, and 
hand trimmed HT lugs?
The early ones had the trimmed HT lugs, iirc. You can see the points cut 
off.
Not that that would really make any difference, I don't think.
>From a Grant interview we know that the Roadeo  tubing is: ("Mix of 
Reynolds 725 and TrueTemp OX Plat. As thin as I/Grant could stand to go. 
(0.65 butts in the tt and dt, with 0.45 bellies")
I weigh 146lbs. Have weighed from there up to 178 on my other four previous 
8/5/8 Rivs that rode great but sometimes on hills felt as if I could not 
get out of my own way on the 8/5/8's, regardless of tire types.

So maybe the lighter tubing of the Roadeo behaves better for my weight 
class? Maybe 8/5/8 is more cooperative for people in the 175+lb. range like 
a 6/4/6 would be for people below 175? Just speculating. But I have owned 
three 8/5/8 Rivs and the Ram was best at climbing and had lighter tubing 
rear triangle than Sam and Bleriots I had. But it still would bog down on 
hills but not as bad as the Bleriots and Sam did for me. Though I have 
loved riding them all.



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Mike Godwin]

Ooh, ooh, I got one too! :) Found it on local CL, looking for an Atlantis 
at the time but this came up for a steal of a price, so who could 
resist? White with blue accents It too has downtube cable stops rather than 
shifter bosses. I would prefer shifter bosses, but for a bike in my size 
and decent parts and great price within 20 miles ... Came with Rich built 
ultegra hubs/open pro rims, 3x 14 g straight gauge spokes. The bike felt 
dead, not Surly Crosscheck dead but nothing like a Legolas, or my Lemond 
Zurich or even mid 70s Bob Jackson. The shoes it runs on now are velocity 
aerohead/dura ace 7x00 (thanks Mark R) with 14-16-14 g spokes, continental 
4000 GP extra special wunder bar etc tires. Much more lively ride. Fits 36 
mm measured tires. Braking by Royal Gran Comp/koolstop.  I removed the 
bulky ultegra brakes and fugly 4-arm 105 black crank. It sports a Ritchey 
Logic crank with willow rings (thanks David B). 

On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 7:39:14 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> As I understand it the Roadeo has significantly thinner tubing than the 
> Romulus and Ram I owned. Noticeable enough that my one very short ride 
> around the building at RBW told me I was riding a different, whippier, 
> snappier bike than what I was familiar with. To my mind it was the 
> difference between a Riv road bike built to a survivable standard under 
> fairly stout riders, and one with a definite weight limit. Almost a 
> "production custom", if you will. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Joe Bernard]

As I understand it the Roadeo has significantly thinner tubing than the Romulus 
and Ram I owned. Noticeable enough that my one very short ride around the 
building at RBW told me I was riding a different, whippier, snappier bike than 
what I was familiar with. To my mind it was the difference between a Riv road 
bike built to a survivable standard under fairly stout riders, and one with a 
definite weight limit. Almost a "production custom", if you will. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Patrick Moore]

That's very pretty, and built much as I would build one.

You say it's much faster than your Rambouillet. I found my Ram spritely,
but not as spritely as my lightest road bike, but then there was a big
difference in the wheels -- MA40s with even Parigi Roubaix 29 mm 700C tires
are going to be heavier than 370 gram 559 Sun semi-aeros with 178 gram Elk
Pass tires.

What do you attribute the difference to?

I rode the gofast today. I have to say, as much as I like my other bikes,
including the "commuter" Riv custom, if someone held a gun to my head and
said, "Choose 1," I'd have to choose the gofast: it just seems to
accelerate and maintain speed easier than any of the others; and I ride
principally for fun.

On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 4:13 PM, Brian Campbell 
wrote:

> Nice! Congratulations!
>
> On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 6:49:57 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> 53cm  Roadeo
>>
>> Bought the frame from lister. Built it up.
>> Usual Rivish component stuff.
>> Also:
>> 40cm Nitto M151F bar.
>> SONdeluxwidebody/Pacenti Brevet/Sapim Race spokes/VO rear Touring hub
>> 700c wheels.
>> GB Cypress tires
>>
>> Way easier to pedal down the road than any other Rivbike I have owned.
>> Very fast and doesn't bog down on hills. Just keeps its momentum nicely.
>> If I would have known this I would have not bought the first 4 Rivs and
>> just come up out of the pocket for a Roadeo from the start.
>>
>> Pics:  https://flic.kr/s/aHsmpG4rwT
>> Enjoy!
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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Brian Campbell]

Nice! Congratulations!

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 6:49:57 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> 53cm  Roadeo
>
> Bought the frame from lister. Built it up.
> Usual Rivish component stuff.
> Also:
> 40cm Nitto M151F bar.
> SONdeluxwidebody/Pacenti Brevet/Sapim Race spokes/VO rear Touring hub 700c 
> wheels.
> GB Cypress tires
>
> Way easier to pedal down the road than any other Rivbike I have owned. 
> Very fast and doesn't bog down on hills. Just keeps its momentum nicely.
> If I would have known this I would have not bought the first 4 Rivs and 
> just come up out of the pocket for a Roadeo from the start.
>
> Pics:  https://flic.kr/s/aHsmpG4rwT
> Enjoy!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Dave Grossman]

Great now I have to lust after another Riv.

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Ryan M.]

When you order a Roadeo frame you can request downtube bosses be added. I 
opted not to have them on mine since I knew I would be running index 
brifters all the time.

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 6:06:08 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> That's a reeeally good looking rig! I can tell you put a lot of thought 
> into the build.
>
> (As an aside, I had no idea that the Roadeo doesn't have DT shifter 
> bosses. Guess I never noticed. You'd think of all their frames, this one 
> would?)
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Don Compton]

Some Roadeo's have downtube shifter bosses. My Roadeo has them.

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 4:06:08 PM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>
> That's a reeeally good looking rig! I can tell you put a lot of thought 
> into the build.
>
> (As an aside, I had no idea that the Roadeo doesn't have DT shifter 
> bosses. Guess I never noticed. You'd think of all their frames, this one 
> would?)
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[sameness]

That's a reeeally good looking rig! I can tell you put a lot of thought 
into the build.

(As an aside, I had no idea that the Roadeo doesn't have DT shifter bosses. 
Guess I never noticed. You'd think of all their frames, this one would?)

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo

[Anne]

Congrats on what is one of my favorite Rivs. Legolas and the original 
Atlantis being the others.

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo

[Eric Karnes]

Ha. Fantastic! It had swankier wheels back then.

I've been riding it for the last two weeks and it's absolutely fantastic. 
I've done fast-ish (for me) road rides, gravel paths, and some general 
wandering with lunch, gloves, and a raincoat in my Saddlesack...it has 
excelled at everything. I may also try some cyclocross tires like the 
Roadeo recently featured on the Blug. With the exception of my old Trek 
commuter, I've decided to sell all of my other bikes (if anyone is looking 
for a neat old Litespeed mountain bike or barely-used CrossCheck, lemme 
know). 

I ended up taking of the albatross bars off and replacing them with VO 
porteur bars. I really like this setup. With road levers set up like on a 
mustache bar, it gives a bunch of hand positions. And it gives a much more 
responsive feel than the high, wide albas. 

And a SE PA non-race ride sounds like a great plan.

Eric



On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 7:24:57 PM UTC-4, Paul G wrote:
>
> Congratulations on the Roadeo. Your actual bike convinced me to order one. 
> I tested it back in August of 2013. This is what it looked like on the day 
> of my test ride in Walnut Creek.
>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo

[Brian Campbell]

Beautiful Riv! We should do a SE PA (and anyone else who wants to come 
along )non-race oriented ride. I am in Chester County and would be happy to 
host something. There seem to be a number of us in the great Philly area. 

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo

[John Hawrylak]

Eric


Beautiful bike and glad it works for you.  Bring it to the South Jersey 
Wheelman Jersey Devil Century on Sept 17, 2016, 0730 Parvin State Park in 
Centerton NJ.  Great flat roads with minimal traffic.  $25 on day of ride, 
$20 pre-registration.  You'll have a great time.  We have great food spread 
at 50M, meatball subs, burgers, dogs.  Here's the link

http://www.sjwheelmen.org/c_jerdevil.html

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 11:46:49 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:

> Hi all-
>
>
> Long time lurker. 
>
>
> I came upon Rivendell’s bikes (and Grant’s writings) about two years ago 
> and have wanted one ever since. After selling two of my existing bikes, I 
> took the plunge and ordered the demo 61” Roadeo (pre-beausaged!) that was 
> for sale on the Riv website. This weekend, I took it out for a short maiden 
> voyage up the Schuylkill River Trail here in Philly. 
>
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/35128198@N02/26641946766/in/dateposted-public/
>
>
> Needless to say, it performed admirably! It’s the first non-mountain bike 
> I’ve ever owned with a proper seat tube angle for me. I finally felt like I 
> didn’t have all of my weight on the handlebars! It was already comfortable. 
> After the photo was snapped, I lowered the seat about a cm and will 
> probably lower the handlebars a hair.
>
>
> As you can see, I’ve swapped out the original handlebars (I have long legs 
> and a shortish torso and have never been entirely comfortable with drop 
> bars on any bike that fits me). I like the albatross bars (they sure are 
> pert-ty), but I’m not completely sold yet. I have narrow shoulders and they 
> feel a tad wide to me…but I may just need to get used to them. Or I may 
> equip them with VO Porteur bars. I love them on on my single speed and have 
> always admired the setup I’ve seen on Brian Hanson’s blog. If anyone has 
> any recommendations for bars, that would be great. And if anyone knows of 
> non-race-oriented riding groups here in Philly, let me know. I’d love to 
> take my new Roadeo on one.
>
>
> Thanks to all the posters here! The group has been super helpful in the 
> research leading up to my purchase. Best,
>
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo

[stonehog]

You will probably just try them all at some point if you are anything like 
me, but my faves over the years have been the Porteurs, the Albastaches, 
and Noodles.  It may take a while to get comfy on a Noodled bike, but they 
are great for longer rides if you put the time into finding the right 
coordinates.  For me that was 1-2cm above saddle height.  I find myself 
migrating back to uprights now due to my love of 
off-road/gravel/exploratory stuff.  Choco's look to be perfect, but I 
haven't gotten time to put them on my Hunqa yet.

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA
www.stonehog.com

On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-5, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Thanks all! 
>
> I may give the drops another shot...I agree that this bike looks pretty 
> sweet with them and I've always suffered from a bit of drop bar envy. But 
> with anything longer than a 50mm stem (even with the bars high), I start to 
> feel it in my back and neck pretty quick. Maybe I'll bring it to the LBS 
> and see if they have any suggestions. I'll also check out the Jitensha 
> Bars...do users of those find them to have enough hand positions? If only 
> the Choco bars came with an option a few mm narrower like the Boscos...
>
> As it's my first Rivendell, I can't really speak to how it compares with 
> other models. But I rode it a few more times this week and would describe 
> it as a really wonderful mix of sporty and stable. I don't go super fast 
> when I'm riding, but I love the feel of a light, sporty steel road bike 
> (like my 531 mid-eighties Trek). This frame has that really nice quality, 
> but also feels much more stable when descending and turning (even with bars 
> that weren't specifically designed for it...which I feel speaks to 
> Rivendell's fantastic geometry). My old Trek feels squirrelly on rougher 
> roads and gravel. But with Jack Browns, it works flawlessly on crushed 
> gravel paths...and still feels quick and responsive. Even though it's 
> marketed as a 'club-ride' bike, like any Rivendell, it excels at lots of 
> different tasks. I wouldn't take it on single track, but with some 35mm 
> Cyclocross tires, I'd feel totally comfortable doing rougher dirt paths, 
> fire roads, etc. It's feels like a solid-enough bike.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 5:32:16 PM UTC-4, Evan E. wrote:
>>
>> Welcome to the list, Eric! Beautiful bike.
>>
>> [General note to the posters on this thread: Velo Orange makes Porteur 
>> bars in 22.2 and also in 23.8. But since this is the Riv list, maybe think 
>> about Choco Normal bars?]
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo

[drew]

+1 on the Jitensa style bars. I have the map/ahearne version and they are 
great. More aggressive than albas, less aggressive than drops. You can get a 
couple hand positions out of them, depending on your shifter set up.

Beautiful bike

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo

[Eric Karnes]

Thanks all! 

I may give the drops another shot...I agree that this bike looks pretty 
sweet with them and I've always suffered from a bit of drop bar envy. But 
with anything longer than a 50mm stem (even with the bars high), I start to 
feel it in my back and neck pretty quick. Maybe I'll bring it to the LBS 
and see if they have any suggestions. I'll also check out the Jitensha 
Bars...do users of those find them to have enough hand positions? If only 
the Choco bars came with an option a few mm narrower like the Boscos...

As it's my first Rivendell, I can't really speak to how it compares with 
other models. But I rode it a few more times this week and would describe 
it as a really wonderful mix of sporty and stable. I don't go super fast 
when I'm riding, but I love the feel of a light, sporty steel road bike 
(like my 531 mid-eighties Trek). This frame has that really nice quality, 
but also feels much more stable when descending and turning (even with bars 
that weren't specifically designed for it...which I feel speaks to 
Rivendell's fantastic geometry). My old Trek feels squirrelly on rougher 
roads and gravel. But with Jack Browns, it works flawlessly on crushed 
gravel paths...and still feels quick and responsive. Even though it's 
marketed as a 'club-ride' bike, like any Rivendell, it excels at lots of 
different tasks. I wouldn't take it on single track, but with some 35mm 
Cyclocross tires, I'd feel totally comfortable doing rougher dirt paths, 
fire roads, etc. It's feels like a solid-enough bike.

Eric



On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 5:32:16 PM UTC-4, Evan E. wrote:
>
> Welcome to the list, Eric! Beautiful bike.
>
> [General note to the posters on this thread: Velo Orange makes Porteur 
> bars in 22.2 and also in 23.8. But since this is the Riv list, maybe think 
> about Choco Normal bars?]
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo

[Evan E.]

Welcome to the list, Eric! Beautiful bike.

[General note to the posters on this thread: Velo Orange makes Porteur bars 
in 22.2 and also in 23.8. But since this is the Riv list, maybe think about 
Choco Normal bars?]



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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo

['Rick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Love it.

On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 11:46:49 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
>
> Long time lurker. 
>
>
> I came upon Rivendell’s bikes (and Grant’s writings) about two years ago 
> and have wanted one ever since. After selling two of my existing bikes, I 
> took the plunge and ordered the demo 61” Roadeo (pre-beausaged!) that was 
> for sale on the Riv website. This weekend, I took it out for a short maiden 
> voyage up the Schuylkill River Trail here in Philly. 
>
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/35128198@N02/26641946766/in/dateposted-public/
>
>
> Needless to say, it performed admirably! It’s the first non-mountain bike 
> I’ve ever owned with a proper seat tube angle for me. I finally felt like I 
> didn’t have all of my weight on the handlebars! It was already comfortable. 
> After the photo was snapped, I lowered the seat about a cm and will 
> probably lower the handlebars a hair.
>
>
> As you can see, I’ve swapped out the original handlebars (I have long legs 
> and a shortish torso and have never been entirely comfortable with drop 
> bars on any bike that fits me). I like the albatross bars (they sure are 
> pert-ty), but I’m not completely sold yet. I have narrow shoulders and they 
> feel a tad wide to me…but I may just need to get used to them. Or I may 
> equip them with VO Porteur bars. I love them on on my single speed and have 
> always admired the setup I’ve seen on Brian Hanson’s blog. If anyone has 
> any recommendations for bars, that would be great. And if anyone knows of 
> non-race-oriented riding groups here in Philly, let me know. I’d love to 
> take my new Roadeo on one.
>
>
> Thanks to all the posters here! The group has been super helpful in the 
> research leading up to my purchase. Best,
>
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo

[jeffrey kane]

Hey Eric,

I  love fast(ish) road bikes and upright bars as well. I've spent a good 
deal of time on Alba's and recently configured a new ride with new 
choco-normal -- primarily because I liked the flatter look of the choco to 
the Alba. However, having been on narrow drops for so long (I took a 3 year 
break from Alba's) my only complaint is similar to yours --- I just wish 
they were narrower. So I thought the same thing: I should have just snagged 
a pair of V/O Porteurs because for once, I can since I'm not using bar end 
shifters and won't have to compromise with those not-so-great looking 23.8 
road bar diameter "city" levers.

Anyway -- that's long way around to let you know (if you didn't) that the 
V/O bars aren't as well thought-out as the Alba's and Choco's in that they 
can't run 22.2 mtb levers and bar ends ... that bit of brilliant 
forethought seems only attributable to GP and Co. designed bars.

On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 11:46:49 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
>
> Long time lurker. 
>
>
> I came upon Rivendell’s bikes (and Grant’s writings) about two years ago 
> and have wanted one ever since. After selling two of my existing bikes, I 
> took the plunge and ordered the demo 61” Roadeo (pre-beausaged!) that was 
> for sale on the Riv website. This weekend, I took it out for a short maiden 
> voyage up the Schuylkill River Trail here in Philly. 
>
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/35128198@N02/26641946766/in/dateposted-public/
>
>
> Needless to say, it performed admirably! It’s the first non-mountain bike 
> I’ve ever owned with a proper seat tube angle for me. I finally felt like I 
> didn’t have all of my weight on the handlebars! It was already comfortable. 
> After the photo was snapped, I lowered the seat about a cm and will 
> probably lower the handlebars a hair.
>
>
> As you can see, I’ve swapped out the original handlebars (I have long legs 
> and a shortish torso and have never been entirely comfortable with drop 
> bars on any bike that fits me). I like the albatross bars (they sure are 
> pert-ty), but I’m not completely sold yet. I have narrow shoulders and they 
> feel a tad wide to me…but I may just need to get used to them. Or I may 
> equip them with VO Porteur bars. I love them on on my single speed and have 
> always admired the setup I’ve seen on Brian Hanson’s blog. If anyone has 
> any recommendations for bars, that would be great. And if anyone knows of 
> non-race-oriented riding groups here in Philly, let me know. I’d love to 
> take my new Roadeo on one.
>
>
> Thanks to all the posters here! The group has been super helpful in the 
> research leading up to my purchase. Best,
>
>
> Eric
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Well, I'd love to find some riders like that, and I'm in Wilmington, DE, not 
far away.

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Looks great!
I was never able to find any non-race oriented groups in my 5 Philly years. 
However there are so many paths and places to ride you'll bump into some folks 
sooner or later!

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo

[Justin August]

Looks great!
I was never able to find any non-race oriented groups in my 5 Philly years. 
However there are so many paths and places to ride you'll bump into some folks 
sooner or later!

-Justin 

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo

[Philip Kim]

nice looks good! congrats!

On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 11:46:49 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
>
> Long time lurker. 
>
>
> I came upon Rivendell’s bikes (and Grant’s writings) about two years ago 
> and have wanted one ever since. After selling two of my existing bikes, I 
> took the plunge and ordered the demo 61” Roadeo (pre-beausaged!) that was 
> for sale on the Riv website. This weekend, I took it out for a short maiden 
> voyage up the Schuylkill River Trail here in Philly. 
>
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/35128198@N02/26641946766/in/dateposted-public/
>
>
> Needless to say, it performed admirably! It’s the first non-mountain bike 
> I’ve ever owned with a proper seat tube angle for me. I finally felt like I 
> didn’t have all of my weight on the handlebars! It was already comfortable. 
> After the photo was snapped, I lowered the seat about a cm and will 
> probably lower the handlebars a hair.
>
>
> As you can see, I’ve swapped out the original handlebars (I have long legs 
> and a shortish torso and have never been entirely comfortable with drop 
> bars on any bike that fits me). I like the albatross bars (they sure are 
> pert-ty), but I’m not completely sold yet. I have narrow shoulders and they 
> feel a tad wide to me…but I may just need to get used to them. Or I may 
> equip them with VO Porteur bars. I love them on on my single speed and have 
> always admired the setup I’ve seen on Brian Hanson’s blog. If anyone has 
> any recommendations for bars, that would be great. And if anyone knows of 
> non-race-oriented riding groups here in Philly, let me know. I’d love to 
> take my new Roadeo on one.
>
>
> Thanks to all the posters here! The group has been super helpful in the 
> research leading up to my purchase. Best,
>
>
> Eric
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo frameset has arrived!

[Patrick Moore]

Congratulations on the new Roadeo. Please report on the ride qualities and
post plenty of photos.

What exactly is reamed? Were they undersized, or irregular? I've never
gotten a frame from Rivendell (five so far) that wasn't spot on.


On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Paul G pauldowg...@gmail.com wrote:

 The build is done except bar tape.  The seat tube and head tube had to be
 reamed but all the threads were perfect.  The RD hanger was perfectly
 aligned as were the rear dropouts, but the front dropouts needed a very
 slight tweaking.  I'm really tired and will post photos as soon as I get
 them taken.  Good night!

 Paul

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo frameset has arrived!

[Paul G]

Patrick, exactly what you said. It needed to be opened up a bit as the seat 
post would not insert. Just the tiniest of amounts and, yes, this is quite 
normal as you allude to.

Paul

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo frameset has arrived!

[Paul G]

Okay, I've posted a few more images for you all to check out if you'd 
likehttps://app.box.com/files/0/f/1430336408
. 

I cannot comment about ride so much because I haven't been able to give it 
a proper ride due to poor air quality in my area. So frustrating. However, 
I do believe my stem extension might be a centimeter too long in casually 
pedaling up and down my street. That may need swapping down the line.

Here are a few details about the current build:

   - Nitto 176 Dream Bars
   - Nitto Deluxe stem
   - Nitto Jaguar seatpost
   - Sugino Mighty Tour Cranks with 48x34t chain rings
   - Campagnolo Veloce brake/shift levers
   - Shimano 105 derailleurs with Ultegra 12-30 10-speed cassette
   - Jtek Shiftmate to allow Campy shifters with Shimano drivetrain
   - H Plus Son TB14 rims laced to Ultegra hubs with Wheelsmith double 
   butted spokes
   - Grand Bois Cerf 28mm tires
   - Regal Saddle

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo frameset has arrived!

[Paul G]

I goofed on the photos link. Try this 
onehttps://app.box.com/s/85g0h65aqow3rusz1f2y
.

Paul

On Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:11:12 PM UTC-8, Paul G wrote:

 Okay, I've posted a few more images for you all to check out if you'd 
 likehttps://app.box.com/files/0/f/1430336408
 . 

 I cannot comment about ride so much because I haven't been able to give it 
 a proper ride due to poor air quality in my area. So frustrating. However, 
 I do believe my stem extension might be a centimeter too long in casually 
 pedaling up and down my street. That may need swapping down the line.

 Here are a few details about the current build:

- Nitto 176 Dream Bars
- Nitto Deluxe stem
- Nitto Jaguar seatpost
- Sugino Mighty Tour Cranks with 48x34t chain rings
- Campagnolo Veloce brake/shift levers
- Shimano 105 derailleurs with Ultegra 12-30 10-speed cassette
- Jtek Shiftmate to allow Campy shifters with Shimano drivetrain
- H Plus Son TB14 rims laced to Ultegra hubs with Wheelsmith double 
butted spokes
- Grand Bois Cerf 28mm tires
- Regal Saddle



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo frameset has arrived!

[sameness]

That's a really beautiful build. Congrats on the new ride.

Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo frameset has arrived!

[Don Compton]

Great build. Love the gearing, go anywhere.
Don

On Friday, January 3, 2014 3:50:28 PM UTC-8, Paul G wrote:

 Okay folks, you asked for photos when it arrived so your wish is my 
 command https://app.box.com/s/85g0h65aqow3rusz1f2y.

 I had a couple add-ons brazed on in the form of downtube shifter bosses 
 and a seat stay-mounted chain hanger to keep the chain secure when the rear 
 wheel is removed like 80's steel bikes used to have. The lead time was 
 about 4 months even with added braze-on.

 This frame really is beautiful in person. The clichè that pictures don't 
 do justice is true here. They call it white, but it's actually an 
 off-white, almost cream color in person and it looks great with the red 
 accents!

 The build will begin Saturday and I'll try to take some pictures of the 
 progress.

 Regards-
 Paul


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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo frameset has arrived!

[Michael Hechmer]

Looks great.  I'm a big dt fan myself. What's the build plan…. crank, 
wheels, brakes, bars…?

On Friday, January 3, 2014 6:50:28 PM UTC-5, Paul G wrote:

 Okay folks, you asked for photos when it arrived so your wish is my 
 command https://app.box.com/s/85g0h65aqow3rusz1f2y.

 I had a couple add-ons brazed on in the form of downtube shifter bosses 
 and a seat stay-mounted chain hanger to keep the chain secure when the rear 
 wheel is removed like 80's steel bikes used to have. The lead time was 
 about 4 months even with added braze-on.

 This frame really is beautiful in person. The clichè that pictures don't 
 do justice is true here. They call it white, but it's actually an 
 off-white, almost cream color in person and it looks great with the red 
 accents!

 The build will begin Saturday and I'll try to take some pictures of the 
 progress.

 Regards-
 Paul


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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo frameset has arrived!

[Tony DeFilippo]

An exciting Saturday for you!  I hope you get her rolling quickly.  I'd 
love to see a Rodeo in person some time, like all these bikes they look 
great.  That cream and red is a great combo.

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo frameset has arrived!

[Michael]

Congrats!
 
You are right. It looks cream. Very nice!!
 

On Friday, January 3, 2014 6:50:28 PM UTC-5, Paul G wrote:

 Okay folks, you asked for photos when it arrived so your wish is my 
 command https://app.box.com/s/85g0h65aqow3rusz1f2y.

 I had a couple add-ons brazed on in the form of downtube shifter bosses 
 and a seat stay-mounted chain hanger to keep the chain secure when the rear 
 wheel is removed like 80's steel bikes used to have. The lead time was 
 about 4 months even with added braze-on.

 This frame really is beautiful in person. The clichè that pictures don't 
 do justice is true here. They call it white, but it's actually an 
 off-white, almost cream color in person and it looks great with the red 
 accents!

 The build will begin Saturday and I'll try to take some pictures of the 
 progress.

 Regards-
 Paul


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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo frameset has arrived!

[Kellie Stapleton]

Really nice! Congratulations!

On Friday, January 3, 2014 3:50:28 PM UTC-8, Paul G wrote:

 Okay folks, you asked for photos when it arrived so your wish is my 
 command https://app.box.com/s/85g0h65aqow3rusz1f2y.

 I had a couple add-ons brazed on in the form of downtube shifter bosses 
 and a seat stay-mounted chain hanger to keep the chain secure when the rear 
 wheel is removed like 80's steel bikes used to have. The lead time was 
 about 4 months even with added braze-on.

 This frame really is beautiful in person. The clichè that pictures don't 
 do justice is true here. They call it white, but it's actually an 
 off-white, almost cream color in person and it looks great with the red 
 accents!

 The build will begin Saturday and I'll try to take some pictures of the 
 progress.

 Regards-
 Paul


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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo frameset has arrived!

[Jim]

Really nice bike and I great job taking the pictures. Makes me want to 
order a new bike even if one is not really needed.  Jim D 
 Massachusetts

On Friday, January 3, 2014 6:50:28 PM UTC-5, Paul G wrote:

 Okay folks, you asked for photos when it arrived so your wish is my 
 command https://app.box.com/s/85g0h65aqow3rusz1f2y.

 I had a couple add-ons brazed on in the form of downtube shifter bosses 
 and a seat stay-mounted chain hanger to keep the chain secure when the rear 
 wheel is removed like 80's steel bikes used to have. The lead time was 
 about 4 months even with added braze-on.

 This frame really is beautiful in person. The clichè that pictures don't 
 do justice is true here. They call it white, but it's actually an 
 off-white, almost cream color in person and it looks great with the red 
 accents!

 The build will begin Saturday and I'll try to take some pictures of the 
 progress.

 Regards-
 Paul


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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo frameset has arrived!

[Deacon Patrick]

Congrats! Gorgeous!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, January 3, 2014 4:50:28 PM UTC-7, Paul G wrote:

 Okay folks, you asked for photos when it arrived so your wish is my 
 command https://app.box.com/s/85g0h65aqow3rusz1f2y.

 I had a couple add-ons brazed on in the form of downtube shifter bosses 
 and a seat stay-mounted chain hanger to keep the chain secure when the rear 
 wheel is removed like 80's steel bikes used to have. The lead time was 
 about 4 months even with added braze-on.

 This frame really is beautiful in person. The clichè that pictures don't 
 do justice is true here. They call it white, but it's actually an 
 off-white, almost cream color in person and it looks great with the red 
 accents!

 The build will begin Saturday and I'll try to take some pictures of the 
 progress.

 Regards-
 Paul


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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo frameset has arrived!

[RoadieRyan]

Beautiful- wow that is a great looking bike.  Enjoy the ride

On Friday, January 3, 2014 3:50:28 PM UTC-8, Paul G wrote:

 Okay folks, you asked for photos when it arrived so your wish is my 
 command https://app.box.com/s/85g0h65aqow3rusz1f2y.

 I had a couple add-ons brazed on in the form of downtube shifter bosses 
 and a seat stay-mounted chain hanger to keep the chain secure when the rear 
 wheel is removed like 80's steel bikes used to have. The lead time was 
 about 4 months even with added braze-on.

 This frame really is beautiful in person. The clichè that pictures don't 
 do justice is true here. They call it white, but it's actually an 
 off-white, almost cream color in person and it looks great with the red 
 accents!

 The build will begin Saturday and I'll try to take some pictures of the 
 progress.

 Regards-
 Paul


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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo frameset has arrived!

[Don Compton]

I road my Roadeo today from Ione to Plymouth and back. My Roadeo rocks. If 
you like steel bikes, the Roadeo is as good as it gets.
Don

On Friday, January 3, 2014 3:50:28 PM UTC-8, Paul G wrote:

 Okay folks, you asked for photos when it arrived so your wish is my 
 command https://app.box.com/s/85g0h65aqow3rusz1f2y.

 I had a couple add-ons brazed on in the form of downtube shifter bosses 
 and a seat stay-mounted chain hanger to keep the chain secure when the rear 
 wheel is removed like 80's steel bikes used to have. The lead time was 
 about 4 months even with added braze-on.

 This frame really is beautiful in person. The clichè that pictures don't 
 do justice is true here. They call it white, but it's actually an 
 off-white, almost cream color in person and it looks great with the red 
 accents!

 The build will begin Saturday and I'll try to take some pictures of the 
 progress.

 Regards-
 Paul


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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo frameset has arrived!

[Paul G]

The build is done except bar tape.  The seat tube and head tube had to be 
reamed but all the threads were perfect.  The RD hanger was perfectly aligned 
as were the rear dropouts, but the front dropouts needed a very slight 
tweaking.  I'm really tired and will post photos as soon as I get them taken.  
Good night!

Paul

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo!

[PeterG]

Trevorlove your Roadeo..someday, someday..

On Thursday, May 9, 2013 11:14:10 AM UTC-7, Trevor saxton wrote:

 So much for downsizing...

 I have been sick about selling off my simpleone, as I really craved a more 
 lighweight single speed...when the 55cm roadeo went up for sale on the 
 Rivendell site I scanned my parts bin and realized I could fufill my need a 
 lighwieght 4speed bike without the expense of a customI jumped on it 
 and just finished the build yesterday...behold my 4speed Roadeo!

 White Industries Crank (42/26) with vintage front deraileur mated to a 
 Paul Melvin Chain Tensioner and a White Industries DOS 
 freewheelactually its more a  2spd bike as its a bit of work to respace 
 the chain tensioner to align with the second cog.

 Took it out for a 15mile cruise ride is exactly what I had hoped for, 
 quick and fast and nimble while still being stable...

 I am debating keeping this setup for a charity ride in early June, (200km 
 over 2 days) downshifting makes quick work of short steep climbs, but not 
 sure if I could grind out a long steep climb in the low gear...so may swap 
 out the rear wheel and go with a conventional set up for that ride 

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/78462625@N07/8723017733/in/photostream




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Re: [RBW] Re: new Roadeo

[Steven Frederick]

As I recall, since the Roadeo is intended as an alternative to carbon bikes
for fast club rides, the figuring was that most would end up running some
style of brifter so the DT shifter mounts were left off in favor of cable
stops.

Steve

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote:

 I don't know RBW's thinking on that. Sometimes I think about going back to
 DT shifters for old time's sake and because they are spare/lean/clean. Then
 I think the better of it when I think of how well the BE shifters work and
 how used to them I am. I have thought about doing a brifter Shimergo
 conversion (Campy 10-speed brake levers to my Shimano 8-speed cassette),
 but why spend the $$ and lose the ability to micro-adjust on the fly? Just
 my thinking ...  -- fm


 On Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:16:39 PM UTC-5, MichaelH wrote:

 Beautiful bike Forrest, thanks for sharing it.

 What is the thinking behind putting the Rodeo out without DT shifter
 braze ons?  It's easy to convert these for BE or brifters, but impossible
 to add dt shifters after the fact.  If I bought a Rodeo (unlikely although
 tempting), I would want to put dt shifters on it.

 michael

 On Saturday, April 21, 2012 12:58:31 PM UTC-4, Forrest wrote:

 A handful of short-mileage rides so far, but what a sweet ride!

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**10076072@N03/6953250794/in/**photostreamhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/10076072@N03/6953250794/in/photostream


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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo frame. Now what?

[MichaelH]

I run Ritchey Race Slicks on my old racing bike.  Affordable and
reasonably durable.  I do however sense the bike handling is quicker
than 23mm Michelin clinchers and certainly a lot quicker than my Ram
with good 28s.

It is surprising how fast wheel weight can build up though.  Yesterday
I realized that, having retired from work and commuting, that I no
longer needed the MA 40's and 38MM Avocets on my All Purpose Ebisu, so
decided to throw on a set of wheels with Open Pro Rims and 32 MM
Pasellas.  I did a before and after weighing on a bathroom scale and
was amazed to see a 1 1/2 lb difference.

Michael

On Apr 2, 2:31 pm, Bike Hermit bikeher...@biketouringnews.com wrote:
 Charlie, I actually have a set of Mavic Reflex tubular rims I have
 thought about building for this bike. I'd like to find some smooth
 tread 700 x 28 tubular tires though.

 On Mar 28, 8:41 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:



  As a limited use racer all Campy with gearing set up for you and
  tubular rims/ tires maybe some Tufo tires eh ? As a practical bike for
  faster rides that still allows for bad weather and luggage. Nitto it
  out and use a compact crank with at least a 28 to 30 tooth rear...plus
  hammered fenders because they are pretty. Silver parts for sure either
  way. You have to be a lightweight for this bike so I can't own one but
  the thought is nice. Have fun with it !

  On Mar 28, 11:20 am, Bike Hermit bikeher...@biketouringnews.com
  wrote:

   https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_D0f7V9H_Bq4/TZDRZfEMkiI/AZ...

   https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_D0f7V9H_Bq4/TZDRNq1bBkI/AZ...
   How would you build it?

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo frame. Now what?

[Bike Hermit]

Good ideas. I like your Ram.

On Mar 28, 1:14 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 Great question.  I am going to assume that this is a go-fast bike,
 built for fast club rides and maybe an occasional rondenee, yes?

 For a drive train you will want a nice compact double, like the better
 Sugino Alpina, or the Da Vinci, unless you have you heart set on a
 TA.  A 48/34 mated to a Hyperglide 12/27 cassette gives .  If you need
 or want a lower gear (I do) I would strongly recommend springing for
 the White VBC, which is a beautiful crank and you can set it up as a
 44/30 with an 11-28 cassette for an excellent gear range and shift
 pattern.  Still cheaper than TA  musa.  For BB anything economical
 will do, and for this bike i would definitely not go PW.

 Wheels - Open Pro rims mated to either White or Ultegra hubs,
 depending on whether you prefer sealed or serviceable bearings.  I
 like the White hubs - lighter and cheaper than PW.  Some people find
 them noisy, and they do have a loudish hum which you can hear when
 coasting below 17/18 mph.

 Silver Down Tube shifters.  Faster than BE, cleaner looking than SIS
 and in many situations, faster too. Least fussy shifters money can
 buy.  If you have never used them you have nothing to loose but your
 fear.

 Aero levers mated to your hand size.  I like the fat Cane Creek/
 Tecktro, but some people find the narrower 105's more to their
 liking.  Brake caliper's depend on your fender choice.  If you are
 putting a nice pair of Honjo Hammered (which would look great on this
 bike) then the first choice should be Paul's Racer Ms, unless you are
 really up for scouring the internet for old school and using a
 crescent wrench to set them up.

 Bars are pretty personal but very few people have ever been
 disappointed with the noodle shape.  Nitto Pearl or Tech. delux stem.
 If you search around you can find lighter, silver posts than Nitto,
 but they are good posts.

 Saddle, if you want to safe some weight, consider a Terry Ti-Fly.  A
 good compromise between a Brooks or Selle Anatomica and a full blown
 racing saddle.

 Pedals, a light weight touring pedal - I like the Speed Play Frogs,
 which work well with my Keen Commuter sandals.

 I have my Ramboulliet set up as a go fast, here's what it looks like:

 http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100094

 Most important of all:  ENJOY THE PROCESS; ITS NOT ABOUT GETTING
 ANYWHERE!

 blessings,
 michael

 On Mar 28, 2:20 pm, Bike Hermit bikeher...@biketouringnews.com
 wrote:







  https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_D0f7V9H_Bq4/TZDRZfEMkiI/AZ...

  https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_D0f7V9H_Bq4/TZDRNq1bBkI/AZ...
  How would you build it?

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo frame. Now what?

[Bike Hermit]

Charlie, I actually have a set of Mavic Reflex tubular rims I have
thought about building for this bike. I'd like to find some smooth
tread 700 x 28 tubular tires though.

On Mar 28, 8:41 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:
 As a limited use racer all Campy with gearing set up for you and
 tubular rims/ tires maybe some Tufo tires eh ? As a practical bike for
 faster rides that still allows for bad weather and luggage. Nitto it
 out and use a compact crank with at least a 28 to 30 tooth rear...plus
 hammered fenders because they are pretty. Silver parts for sure either
 way. You have to be a lightweight for this bike so I can't own one but
 the thought is nice. Have fun with it !

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  https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_D0f7V9H_Bq4/TZDRZfEMkiI/AZ...

  https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_D0f7V9H_Bq4/TZDRNq1bBkI/AZ...
  How would you build it?

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo frame. Now what?

[Bill M.]

Vittoria, Dugast and FMB all make 27 mm road tubulars if that's close
enough for you.  Expect to pay $100 or more per tire.  I think I'll
pass.

Bill

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 Charlie, I actually have a set of Mavic Reflex tubular rims I have
 thought about building for this bike. I'd like to find some smooth
 tread 700 x 28 tubular tires though.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo frame. Now what?

[CycloFiend]

on 3/29/11 8:23 AM, rperks at perks@gmail.com wrote:

 I think I may be the only one who built mine up as a light and fast
 Homer? 

That would be my preference - I was thinking the other night that I may have
different bikes, but ride them pretty much the same way. The Roadeo would
see the same trails and roads as the QB or AHH, and it would be fun to tack
onto the back of a gofast group whilst sporting fenders and a
seatbag-of-size... ;^)

Beautiful build!

- Jim ...as always, entirely limited by the engine...

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