[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
On Aug 4, 10:57 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: This may sound rediculous, but the middle ring may not be symetric, and may do better flipped. On my 50-30 Ritchey compact set up on my Roadeo I have the outer ring with the text/etching facing out, and the middle ring has the text facing in or left. 9sp chain with an IRD freewheel in the back. I initially had it with the text facing out for both and the chain would not even ride on the middle ring withouth grinding against the outer ring. Not a happy moment for a shiny new set of TA rings. kind of odd but it runs like a dream now. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/4379837357/in/set-72157622875811... Rob Thanks for the tip it doesn't sound odd to me at all. Whatever works. My first thought was, what about shifting from the 24t ring? Since there would be no beveled edge on the inside. Then I remembered I still had a Specialized 36t ring from the 80's, and it had no beveled edge at all, and it worked fine shifting from a 26t ring. So I don't think the beveling adds anything. If I knew how to remove those ramps on the big ring without damaging it I'd do that too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
Think of the bevel as your micro spacer, shifting the center of the tooth profile left. I think it is technically backwards, the pics on peter white's page show the text facing out. But the 9sp chain was wedging itself to a complete stop, one side against the large ring, the rollers on the teeth, not wedged between the rings, as in when w etry 9sp chaains on our old 7sp mtn stuff. This is what makes the sugino 0X08ID so appealing, It gets old tweeking vintage parts to work right with new ones. It is engineered from the get go to take a wide range double, full range of lengths from 160-175 and I do not have to scour the glode looking for a decent price on quality chainrings. Rob On Aug 5, 4:10 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 4, 10:57 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: This may sound rediculous, but the middle ring may not be symetric, and may do better flipped. On my 50-30 Ritchey compact set up on my Roadeo I have the outer ring with the text/etching facing out, and the middle ring has the text facing in or left. 9sp chain with an IRD freewheel in the back. I initially had it with the text facing out for both and the chain would not even ride on the middle ring withouth grinding against the outer ring. Not a happy moment for a shiny new set of TA rings. kind of odd but it runs like a dream now. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/4379837357/in/set-72157622875811... Rob Thanks for the tip it doesn't sound odd to me at all. Whatever works. My first thought was, what about shifting from the 24t ring? Since there would be no beveled edge on the inside. Then I remembered I still had a Specialized 36t ring from the 80's, and it had no beveled edge at all, and it worked fine shifting from a 26t ring. So I don't think the beveling adds anything. If I knew how to remove those ramps on the big ring without damaging it I'd do that too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
This is what makes the sugino 0X08ID so appealing, It gets old tweeking vintage parts to work right with new ones. It is engineered from the get go to take a wide range double, full range of lengths from 160-175 and I do not have to scour the glode looking for a decent price on quality chainrings. No skin off my nose what anyone choses to buy. All my multi-speed bikes have 6 -7 speed freewheels. All of them have new model TA cranks up front with TA rings. Chains are all Wipperman, I believe 8 speed. Derailleurs are Campy front, Campy or Shimano rear. Shifters are Simplex Retrofriction. I have not had a problem shifting. On Aug 5, 9:40 am, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: Think of the bevel as your micro spacer, shifting the center of the tooth profile left. I think it is technically backwards, the pics on peter white's page show the text facing out. But the 9sp chain was wedging itself to a complete stop, one side against the large ring, the rollers on the teeth, not wedged between the rings, as in when w etry 9sp chaains on our old 7sp mtn stuff. This is what makes the sugino 0X08ID so appealing, It gets old tweeking vintage parts to work right with new ones. It is engineered from the get go to take a wide range double, full range of lengths from 160-175 and I do not have to scour the glode looking for a decent price on quality chainrings. Rob On Aug 5, 4:10 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 4, 10:57 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: This may sound rediculous, but the middle ring may not be symetric, and may do better flipped. On my 50-30 Ritchey compact set up on my Roadeo I have the outer ring with the text/etching facing out, and the middle ring has the text facing in or left. 9sp chain with an IRD freewheel in the back. I initially had it with the text facing out for both and the chain would not even ride on the middle ring withouth grinding against the outer ring. Not a happy moment for a shiny new set of TA rings. kind of odd but it runs like a dream now. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/4379837357/in/set-72157622875811... Rob Thanks for the tip it doesn't sound odd to me at all. Whatever works. My first thought was, what about shifting from the 24t ring? Since there would be no beveled edge on the inside. Then I remembered I still had a Specialized 36t ring from the 80's, and it had no beveled edge at all, and it worked fine shifting from a 26t ring. So I don't think the beveling adds anything. If I knew how to remove those ramps on the big ring without damaging it I'd do that too.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
On Aug 5, 11:19 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: No skin off my nose what anyone choses to buy. All my multi-speed bikes have 6 -7 speed freewheels. All of them have new model TA cranks up front with TA rings. Chains are all Wipperman, I believe 8 speed. Derailleurs are Campy front, Campy or Shimano rear. Shifters are Simplex Retrofriction. I have not had a problem shifting. Joel, How many cogs can you use per chainring without rubbing ? Is yours a double or triple? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
Joel, How many cogs can you use per chainring without rubbing ? Is yours a double or triple? I have a Zephyr Light double paired with a 6 speed freewheel on one bike and a Carmina triple paired with a 7 speed freewheel. On Aug 5, 11:21 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 5, 11:19 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: No skin off my nose what anyone choses to buy. All my multi-speed bikes have 6 -7 speed freewheels. All of them have new model TA cranks up front with TA rings. Chains are all Wipperman, I believe 8 speed. Derailleurs are Campy front, Campy or Shimano rear. Shifters are Simplex Retrofriction. I have not had a problem shifting. Joel, How many cogs can you use per chainring without rubbing ? Is yours a double or triple? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
The TA is a fantastic option at least for me. 50/34 compact doubles are almost literally a dime a dozen these days. To try out the compact double thing I bought a square taper Campy Mirage for $30 on ebay, NIB. The key things for me are: comes in 172.5 takes a 29 or 30 tooth small ring looks appropriate for whatever bike I am running doesn't completely break the bank The TA is a great option, but the pieces really do add up in price $250 for arms $90 for a spider $84 for a 46 ring $42 for a 30 ring That's $466 without a bottom bracket. Add a Phil Wood BB and some tax/ shipping and we're talking a $700 chunk. I'm sure it's worth every penny it costs, but that's a lot of dollars. On Aug 3, 7:31 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Seems some of you ought to check out the TA Carmina. I am going with a 172.5 with the 110/74 double spider for my 650b Rando. Later if I want a triple I can swap spiders and go either with the 110/74 triple or 94/58. JIS taper. On Aug 3, 9:03 pm, Boogarich rwasiew...@socal.rr.com wrote: You may also want to look at this crank from Shimano:http://www.nashbar.com/bikes//Product_10053_10052_502567_-1___ Of course, you will need to use the Shimano Hollowtech bottom bracket but this crank is 50/34 and has crank lengths available in 172.5 mm. This crankset is now on sale at Nashbar for about $210. Take care, Aug 2, 11:06 am, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: There was a posting a couple weeks ago about a new crankset from Sugino - - a 110/74 double, IIRC. Have these hit the market? If anyone knows how to get one, it would seem perfect for the Roadeo I am building. Any info much appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
On Aug 4, 8:04 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The TA is a fantastic option at least for me. 50/34 compact doubles are almost literally a dime a dozen these days. To try out the compact double thing I bought a square taper Campy Mirage for $30 on ebay, NIB. The key things for me are: comes in 172.5 takes a 29 or 30 tooth small ring looks appropriate for whatever bike I am running doesn't completely break the bank The TA is a great option, but the pieces really do add up in price $250 for arms $90 for a spider $84 for a 46 ring $42 for a 30 ring That's $466 without a bottom bracket. Add a Phil Wood BB and some tax/ shipping and we're talking a $700 chunk. I'm sure it's worth every penny it costs, but that's a lot of dollars. $700?! Wow, that is a lot of money. Hey, if you got it, go for it! However, another alternative you may want to consider is the White Industries VBC crank: http://www.whiteind.com/cranks/roadcranks.html VB VBC = variable bolt circle so you can run anywhere from a 24t up to 38t for the inner ring; and 38t up to 52t for the outer ring. Or you can run it as a single! With a 46t and 30t rings, the cost is around $285: http://www.ride-this.com/index.php/white-industries-road-vbc-cranks.html?source=googleps It also comes in both polish silver and black! Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
Those White VBC's have been on my radar for quite some time, also. My big hangups about those include fear about the flexiness of a chainring with no spider supporting it, and fear of being completely out of luck down the line with a proprietary chainring format on the big ring. On Aug 4, 9:42 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 4, 8:04 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The TA is a fantastic option at least for me. 50/34 compact doubles are almost literally a dime a dozen these days. To try out the compact double thing I bought a square taper Campy Mirage for $30 on ebay, NIB. The key things for me are: comes in 172.5 takes a 29 or 30 tooth small ring looks appropriate for whatever bike I am running doesn't completely break the bank The TA is a great option, but the pieces really do add up in price $250 for arms $90 for a spider $84 for a 46 ring $42 for a 30 ring That's $466 without a bottom bracket. Add a Phil Wood BB and some tax/ shipping and we're talking a $700 chunk. I'm sure it's worth every penny it costs, but that's a lot of dollars. $700?! Wow, that is a lot of money. Hey, if you got it, go for it! However, another alternative you may want to consider is the White Industries VBC crank: http://www.whiteind.com/cranks/roadcranks.html VB VBC = variable bolt circle so you can run anywhere from a 24t up to 38t for the inner ring; and 38t up to 52t for the outer ring. Or you can run it as a single! With a 46t and 30t rings, the cost is around $285:http://www.ride-this.com/index.php/white-industries-road-vbc-cranks.h... It also comes in both polish silver and black! Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
And, Don't forget the Middleburn 2x9. http://www.mtbtandems.com/ Cheers! On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:08 AM, William wrote: Those White VBC's have been on my radar for quite some time, also. My big hangups about those include fear about the flexiness of a chainring with no spider supporting it, and fear of being completely out of luck down the line with a proprietary chainring format on the big ring. On Aug 4, 9:42 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 4, 8:04 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The TA is a fantastic option at least for me. 50/34 compact doubles are almost literally a dime a dozen these days. To try out the compact double thing I bought a square taper Campy Mirage for $30 on ebay, NIB. The key things for me are: comes in 172.5 takes a 29 or 30 tooth small ring looks appropriate for whatever bike I am running doesn't completely break the bank The TA is a great option, but the pieces really do add up in price $250 for arms $90 for a spider $84 for a 46 ring $42 for a 30 ring That's $466 without a bottom bracket. Add a Phil Wood BB and some tax/ shipping and we're talking a $700 chunk. I'm sure it's worth every penny it costs, but that's a lot of dollars. $700?! Wow, that is a lot of money. Hey, if you got it, go for it! However, another alternative you may want to consider is the White Industries VBC crank: http://www.whiteind.com/cranks/roadcranks.html VB VBC = variable bolt circle so you can run anywhere from a 24t up to 38t for the inner ring; and 38t up to 52t for the outer ring. Or you can run it as a single! With a 46t and 30t rings, the cost is around $285:http://www.ride-this.com/index.php/white-industries-road-vbc-cranks.h... It also comes in both polish silver and black! Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
Or DaVinci, http://www.davincitandems.com/comp.html#cranks. James Thurow StL Mo On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:10 PM, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: And, Don't forget the Middleburn 2x9. http://www.mtbtandems.com/ Cheers! On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:08 AM, William wrote: Those White VBC's have been on my radar for quite some time, also. My big hangups about those include fear about the flexiness of a chainring with no spider supporting it, and fear of being completely out of luck down the line with a proprietary chainring format on the big ring. On Aug 4, 9:42 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 4, 8:04 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The TA is a fantastic option at least for me. 50/34 compact doubles are almost literally a dime a dozen these days. To try out the compact double thing I bought a square taper Campy Mirage for $30 on ebay, NIB. The key things for me are: comes in 172.5 takes a 29 or 30 tooth small ring looks appropriate for whatever bike I am running doesn't completely break the bank The TA is a great option, but the pieces really do add up in price $250 for arms $90 for a spider $84 for a 46 ring $42 for a 30 ring That's $466 without a bottom bracket. Add a Phil Wood BB and some tax/ shipping and we're talking a $700 chunk. I'm sure it's worth every penny it costs, but that's a lot of dollars. $700?! Wow, that is a lot of money. Hey, if you got it, go for it! However, another alternative you may want to consider is the White Industries VBC crank: http://www.whiteind.com/cranks/roadcranks.html VB VBC = variable bolt circle so you can run anywhere from a 24t up to 38t for the inner ring; and 38t up to 52t for the outer ring. Or you can run it as a single! With a 46t and 30t rings, the cost is around $285: http://www.ride-this.com/index.php/white-industries-road-vbc-cranks.h... It also comes in both polish silver and black! Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
$700?! Wow, that is a lot of money. Hey, if you got it, go for it! However, another alternative you may want to consider is the White Industries VBC crank: William includes the cost of the bottom bracket and the tax. No matter the crankset, you will need a bottom bracket. If you buy the TA from Peter White, no taxes unless you are in New Hampshire. You can also save money buying less expensive chain rings. TA chainrings are more expensive than most. They are also much better made and will perform better and longer than most other brands. If long lasting performance is of value, spending a few dollars more up front makes sense. The beauty of the TA Carmina is its flexibility. Being able to change spiders allows a lot of configurations not available with other cranks. On Aug 4, 11:42 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 4, 8:04 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The TA is a fantastic option at least for me. 50/34 compact doubles are almost literally a dime a dozen these days. To try out the compact double thing I bought a square taper Campy Mirage for $30 on ebay, NIB. The key things for me are: comes in 172.5 takes a 29 or 30 tooth small ring looks appropriate for whatever bike I am running doesn't completely break the bank The TA is a great option, but the pieces really do add up in price $250 for arms $90 for a spider $84 for a 46 ring $42 for a 30 ring That's $466 without a bottom bracket. Add a Phil Wood BB and some tax/ shipping and we're talking a $700 chunk. I'm sure it's worth every penny it costs, but that's a lot of dollars. $700?! Wow, that is a lot of money. Hey, if you got it, go for it! However, another alternative you may want to consider is the White Industries VBC crank: http://www.whiteind.com/cranks/roadcranks.html VB VBC = variable bolt circle so you can run anywhere from a 24t up to 38t for the inner ring; and 38t up to 52t for the outer ring. Or you can run it as a single! With a 46t and 30t rings, the cost is around $285:http://www.ride-this.com/index.php/white-industries-road-vbc-cranks.h... It also comes in both polish silver and black! Good Luck!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
On Aug 4, 12:04 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: William includes the cost of the bottom bracket and the tax. No matter the crankset, you will need a bottom bracket. If you buy the TA from Peter White, no taxes unless you are in New Hampshire. Agree, but the price for the crankset without bb and tax was $466, that's more than the $285 I cited for the White. Further, the place I cited gives another 10% discount AND no tax! So the white crankset, WITHOUT BB, is $256. Moreover, the place also had a free shipping option. A little bit cheaper than the TA. You can also save money buying less expensive chain rings. TA chainrings are more expensive than most. They are also much better made and will perform better and longer than most other brands. If long lasting performance is of value, spending a few dollars more up front makes sense. Agree, I have TA rings on one bike - expensive, but good stuff! I would put it in the same category as Campy rings! In fact, TA rings may be better! Still, Sugino and many others made very good rings that last a long time too. The beauty of the TA Carmina is its flexibility. Being able to change spiders allows a lot of configurations not available with other cranks. Since the William was talking about a double with a 46/30 ring combo, that comes in 172.5mm, the White would fit that too. In fact, you could get a double with a 52/24 if that's what works for you. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
Bilenky sells the Carmina complete for a bit less. It was significantly less, but they've raised their prices. I have mixed feelings about the Carmina, as I recently bought one. First, the BB sizing is soup du jour. You'll never know what it's going to need until you actually get it. Forget anything you've read online. Forget it. My 185mm arms take a 113mm BB for a 160mm Q on a Bombadil(measured accurately on digital calipers about 10 times) On a bike with more ring clearance, you could probably use a 110mm or even 107mm. You don't need a Phil BB, I'm using a Shimano UN54. I little heavier, but I care not. Second, the first one I received was crooked beyond acceptance, about 1.5- 2mm of deflection. I troubleshooted it and it was either the spider or the arms. I shipped it back to Bilenky, who ordered another spider, and it was crooked too. It was likely improper machining of the arm. They sent everything back to their distributor, and the finally received a straight one. This took about 5-6 weeks. Third, the rings. If you're using a 10 speed setup, it may be okay. For 7-8 speed setups, forget it. The rings, with all the ramps and pins, make for a limited number of cogs available to use in each ring. 3 for the small, 4 for the mid, 5 for the big. I swapped the rings out for regular good ol' non pinned rings. Even then , I needed to use some micro spacers to get good clearance between rings. The small ring required a longer spacer too. Fourth, an annoying clicking sound from either the BB or the interface of the two. This is the second crank that has been noisy. My Zephyr creaked with a UN72, but it eventually went away. This sound is different, more clicking, and it's definitely from the BB area. I must say I'm no fan of cartridge BB's, the three I've used have all been noisy. With cups and cones, I never heard one noise. Other than that, I love the crank. I mean. it spins, holds the rings, and hasn't broken, what more could a guy want? A quiet one I suppose. If anyone gets one, make sure it's straight before you go riding it. I had considered, and still am , a Surly crank. Yeah, outboard bearings are what they are, but no BB is a panacea. The Q is only 6mm more than the Carmina with a 47.5mm chainline spindle. For you guys needing regular length arms, don't forget VO has three new cranksets in the works, not just the ultra low Q Grand Cru. http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2010/02/velo-orange-cranksets.html Listed here . http://www.voimports.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=29 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 12:58 -0700, Garth wrote: The rings, with all the ramps and pins, make for a limited number of cogs available to use in each ring. 3 for the small, 4 for the mid, 5 for the big. I don't understand. How do ramps and pins reduce the number of sprockets available? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
Fourth, an annoying clicking sound from either the BB or the interface of the two. This is the second crank that has been noisy. My Zephyr creaked with a UN72, but it eventually went away. This sound is different, more clicking, and it's definitely from the BB area. I must say I'm no fan of cartridge BB's, the three I've used have all been noisy. With cups and cones, I never heard one noise. I can think of no reason why a crank would cause clicking. Carmina is not a BB. If the problem is with the BB, get another BB. As long as it has JIS taper it will work with the crank. I am using mine with a White Ind. B.B. I don't have the bike yet, but the builder has said nothing about noise. Third, the rings. If you're using a 10 speed setup, it may be okay. For 7-8 speed setups, forget it. The rings, with all the ramps and pins, make for a limited number of cogs available to use in each ring. 3 for the small, 4 for the mid, 5 for the big. I swapped the rings out for regular good ol' non pinned rings. Even then , I needed to use some micro spacers to get good clearance between rings. The small ring required a longer spacer too. Perhaps this is a reference to index shifting? I use friction. On Aug 4, 2:58 pm, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Bilenky sells the Carmina complete for a bit less. It was significantly less, but they've raised their prices. I have mixed feelings about the Carmina, as I recently bought one. First, the BB sizing is soup du jour. You'll never know what it's going to need until you actually get it. Forget anything you've read online. Forget it. My 185mm arms take a 113mm BB for a 160mm Q on a Bombadil(measured accurately on digital calipers about 10 times) On a bike with more ring clearance, you could probably use a 110mm or even 107mm. You don't need a Phil BB, I'm using a Shimano UN54. I little heavier, but I care not. Second, the first one I received was crooked beyond acceptance, about 1.5- 2mm of deflection. I troubleshooted it and it was either the spider or the arms. I shipped it back to Bilenky, who ordered another spider, and it was crooked too. It was likely improper machining of the arm. They sent everything back to their distributor, and the finally received a straight one. This took about 5-6 weeks. Third, the rings. If you're using a 10 speed setup, it may be okay. For 7-8 speed setups, forget it. The rings, with all the ramps and pins, make for a limited number of cogs available to use in each ring. 3 for the small, 4 for the mid, 5 for the big. I swapped the rings out for regular good ol' non pinned rings. Even then , I needed to use some micro spacers to get good clearance between rings. The small ring required a longer spacer too. Fourth, an annoying clicking sound from either the BB or the interface of the two. This is the second crank that has been noisy. My Zephyr creaked with a UN72, but it eventually went away. This sound is different, more clicking, and it's definitely from the BB area. I must say I'm no fan of cartridge BB's, the three I've used have all been noisy. With cups and cones, I never heard one noise. Other than that, I love the crank. I mean. it spins, holds the rings, and hasn't broken, what more could a guy want? A quiet one I suppose. If anyone gets one, make sure it's straight before you go riding it. I had considered, and still am , a Surly crank. Yeah, outboard bearings are what they are, but no BB is a panacea. The Q is only 6mm more than the Carmina with a 47.5mm chainline spindle. For you guys needing regular length arms, don't forget VO has three new cranksets in the works, not just the ultra low Q Grand Cru.http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2010/02/velo-orange-cranksets.html Listed here . http://www.voimports.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=29 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
I use 7sp friction shifting Joel. I've never used indexed shifting. If you look at a regular non pinned chainring compared to the pinned ones, you'll see the ramps are set so high, close to the teeth, that your range of use is limited. I was told I'd have no issue with using a 8sp chain with these . oops . live and learn. At this point I don't know if it's the BB or the crank, or the connection of the two at the tapers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:26 -0700, Garth wrote: I use 7sp friction shifting Joel. I've never used indexed shifting. If you look at a regular non pinned chainring compared to the pinned ones, you'll see the ramps are set so high, close to the teeth, that your range of use is limited. I was told I'd have no issue with using a 8sp chain with these . oops . live and learn. Are you going by what you were told or by actual experience? Is this supposed to be specific to just this one crank? I'm using ramped and pinned rings on quite a few bikes and I've experienced no limitation on what rear sprockets I can use. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
If you look at a regular non pinned chainring compared to the pinned ones, you'll see the ramps are set so high, close to the teeth, that your range of use is limited. I was told I'd have no issue with using a 8sp chain with these . oops . live and learn. I have TA Chainrings on all my bikes. I believe my chains are all 8 speed Wipperman. I have no problem with shifting on any of them. At this point I don't know if it's the BB or the crank, or the connection of the two at the tapers. Are you sure the BB is JIS taper? Assuming it is, there should not be any wiggle to cause a click. On Aug 4, 3:26 pm, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: I use 7sp friction shifting Joel. I've never used indexed shifting. If you look at a regular non pinned chainring compared to the pinned ones, you'll see the ramps are set so high, close to the teeth, that your range of use is limited. I was told I'd have no issue with using a 8sp chain with these . oops . live and learn. At this point I don't know if it's the BB or the crank, or the connection of the two at the tapers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
A Shimano UN54 BB is JIS for sure. This experience is from setting up my Bombadil of recent. Bilenky told my I'd have no issue using an 8sp chain, but like I said, the chain rubs on the rings as I described. With a 7 speed FW, one should be able to use at least 4 cogs in the small ring, 6 in the middle, and 5 in the large. The middle was horrible, the chain would rub on the ramps of the large ring in the 5th cog. The chainline is about 46.5mm. Rings are 24/36/48. Non pinned rings like Sugino's have a nice beveled edge, allowing for good clearance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:59 -0700, Garth wrote: A Shimano UN54 BB is JIS for sure. This experience is from setting up my Bombadil of recent. Bilenky told my I'd have no issue using an 8sp chain, but like I said, the chain rubs on the rings as I described. With a 7 speed FW, one should be able to use at least 4 cogs in the small ring, 6 in the middle, and 5 in the large. The middle was horrible, the chain would rub on the ramps of the large ring in the 5th cog. The chainline is about 46.5mm. Rings are 24/36/48. Non pinned rings like Sugino's have a nice beveled edge, allowing for good clearance. So how does it do with a 9-spd chain? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
On Aug 4, 5:02 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 13:59 -0700, Garth wrote: A Shimano UN54 BB is JIS for sure. This experience is from setting up my Bombadil of recent. Bilenky told my I'd have no issue using an 8sp chain, but like I said, the chain rubs on the rings as I described. With a 7 speed FW, one should be able to use at least 4 cogs in the small ring, 6 in the middle, and 5 in the large. The middle was horrible, the chain would rub on the ramps of the large ring in the 5th cog. The chainline is about 46.5mm. Rings are 24/36/48. Non pinned rings like Sugino's have a nice beveled edge, allowing for good clearance. So how does it do with a 9-spd chain? It made no difference . I thought it may . Maybe it works best with 10 speed chains, I don't know. I'm in a 7 speed world though. The rings are Zephyr's labelled as 9/10 speed . One thing odd also was the middle ring only sits halfway on the ledge of the spider. I've never seen anything like it then again, I've not seen any new cranks for 10 years. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 14:08 -0700, Garth wrote: I'm in a 7 speed world though Not as far as chains are concerned, though: the chain you buy today as a 7 speed chain is the one that some years ago was labeled 8 speed. Now they call it 6-7-8 speed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
This may sound rediculous, but the middle ring may not be symetric, and may do better flipped. On my 50-30 Ritchey compact set up on my Roadeo I have the outer ring with the text/etching facing out, and the middle ring has the text facing in or left. 9sp chain with an IRD freewheel in the back. I initially had it with the text facing out for both and the chain would not even ride on the middle ring withouth grinding against the outer ring. Not a happy moment for a shiny new set of TA rings. kind of odd but it runs like a dream now. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rperks1/4379837357/in/set-72157622875811028/ Rob On Aug 4, 2:27 pm, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 4, 5:12 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-04 at 14:08 -0700, Garth wrote: I'm in a 7 speed world though Not as far as chains are concerned, though: the chain you buy today as a 7 speed chain is the one that some years ago was labeled 8 speed. Now they call it 6-7-8 speed. Yes. I've never had any issue of chainring clearance before. I have many of them still, and looking at the ring spacing of yesteryear, it was wider than todays cranks. Especially Campy Super Record and Victory cranks. My most recent crank, the Zephyr, has similar clearance to the Carmina, but I didn't measure it , so these issues had me scratching my head. I finally realized it was the ramps on the rings. They are also about .5 -1.0mm thicker also than I'm used to. The Zephyr rings look fantastic though, and I wish I could have used them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
You may also want to look at this crank from Shimano: http://www.nashbar.com/bikes//Product_10053_10052_502567_-1___ Of course, you will need to use the Shimano Hollowtech bottom bracket but this crank is 50/34 and has crank lengths available in 172.5 mm. This crankset is now on sale at Nashbar for about $210. Take care, Aug 2, 11:06 am, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: There was a posting a couple weeks ago about a new crankset from Sugino - - a 110/74 double, IIRC. Have these hit the market? If anyone knows how to get one, it would seem perfect for the Roadeo I am building. Any info much appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
Seems some of you ought to check out the TA Carmina. I am going with a 172.5 with the 110/74 double spider for my 650b Rando. Later if I want a triple I can swap spiders and go either with the 110/74 triple or 94/58. JIS taper. On Aug 3, 9:03 pm, Boogarich rwasiew...@socal.rr.com wrote: You may also want to look at this crank from Shimano:http://www.nashbar.com/bikes//Product_10053_10052_502567_-1___ Of course, you will need to use the Shimano Hollowtech bottom bracket but this crank is 50/34 and has crank lengths available in 172.5 mm. This crankset is now on sale at Nashbar for about $210. Take care, Aug 2, 11:06 am, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: There was a posting a couple weeks ago about a new crankset from Sugino - - a 110/74 double, IIRC. Have these hit the market? If anyone knows how to get one, it would seem perfect for the Roadeo I am building. Any info much appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
I think you are referring to the new Sugino Mighty Tour? Very nice but a little pricey. http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=10478currency=USD ~Mike~ On Aug 2, 11:06 am, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: There was a posting a couple weeks ago about a new crankset from Sugino - - a 110/74 double, IIRC. Have these hit the market? If anyone knows how to get one, it would seem perfect for the Roadeo I am building. Any info much appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
here is a snip from the original thread - my apologies for starting a new thread. http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/ox801d_main_japan.htm http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=jau=http://www.sugino... If you look towards the bottom where it describe chain ring size, it can come with 52T-36T 50T-34T 48T-34T / 48T-32T 46T-36T / 46T-34T / 46T-32T / 46T-30T Q factor reports as 145mm, same as a Shimano double, low enough for me. Price is not cheap, close to $400. That is not ideal. But if you look at other cranks out there, not too bad. On Aug 2, 11:16 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I think you are referring to the new Sugino Mighty Tour? Very nice but a little pricey. http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id... ~Mike~ On Aug 2, 11:06 am, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: There was a posting a couple weeks ago about a new crankset from Sugino - - a 110/74 double, IIRC. Have these hit the market? If anyone knows how to get one, it would seem perfect for the Roadeo I am building. Any info much appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
If you mean this one: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm Nobody here on the board knew of how to get it or how much it would cost. Could be $300, could be $700. I have no clue. I think you'd have to talk to an importer who deals with Sugino or a friend who could try to buy one for you in Japan. The website suggests that they should be available by now, at least in Japan. Rivendell had talked about bringing in the Mighty Tour, which would also look great on a Roadeo: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/product_crank_td4_silver_english.htm I called Riv HQ to ask about it. Miesha said they were going to get a few, and I could put a deposit on one. It was pretty expensive, like $300 or something. I did not do it, since what I really wanted was a compact double that would take something closer to a 30. I imagine you could get Riv to sell you one of those Mighty Tours. Or ask them if they would find out about pricing for the fancy one. On Aug 2, 11:06 am, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: There was a posting a couple weeks ago about a new crankset from Sugino - - a 110/74 double, IIRC. Have these hit the market? If anyone knows how to get one, it would seem perfect for the Roadeo I am building. Any info much appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
Sorry to bully the thread, but I also called Merry Sales. They don't import it, and don't know what Sugino products they will add in 2011 until after Interbike in September. After Interbike, if they've decided to bring that model in, then they'd be in the pipeline maybe by Spring 2011. Obviously no hints at all about pricing. I'd be floored if it was under $500. On Aug 2, 11:32 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I just called Riv and talked to Mark. They sometimes get big orders directly from Sugino. Like a few times a year. The rest they backfill from Merry Sales. Short answer is that there is no mechanism to special order one Sugino crankset from Rivendell direct to Sugino. It would have to be something that Merry Sales already imports, which I'll assume they do not. If Merry Sales will sell it to Rivendell, they'd happily sell it to you, but so would any retailer that has an account with Merry Sales. On Aug 2, 11:23 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: If you mean this one: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm Nobody here on the board knew of how to get it or how much it would cost. Could be $300, could be $700. I have no clue. I think you'd have to talk to an importer who deals with Sugino or a friend who could try to buy one for you in Japan. The website suggests that they should be available by now, at least in Japan. Rivendell had talked about bringing in the Mighty Tour, which would also look great on a Roadeo: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/product_crank_td4_silver_english.htm I called Riv HQ to ask about it. Miesha said they were going to get a few, and I could put a deposit on one. It was pretty expensive, like $300 or something. I did not do it, since what I really wanted was a compact double that would take something closer to a 30. I imagine you could get Riv to sell you one of those Mighty Tours. Or ask them if they would find out about pricing for the fancy one. On Aug 2, 11:06 am, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: There was a posting a couple weeks ago about a new crankset from Sugino - - a 110/74 double, IIRC. Have these hit the market? If anyone knows how to get one, it would seem perfect for the Roadeo I am building. Any info much appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
On Aug 2, 11:42 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to bully the thread, but I also called Merry Sales. They don't import it, and don't know what Sugino products they will add in 2011 until after Interbike in September. After Interbike, if they've decided to bring that model in, then they'd be in the pipeline maybe by Spring 2011. Obviously no hints at all about pricing. I'd be floored if it was under $500. If Merry/Riv or anyone else price this crank at $500, they might as well forget it. The market for this crank is way too small for that kind of price. The only people willing to pay that kind of price want lightweight and perhaps carbon. Neither of which applies to this crank. If there is any thoughts to selling this crank at a competitive price, it should be in the $150-200. There's no reason why this crank should be more expensive than say the Sugino Alpina sold by VO. Anything more and it is non-competitive. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
I think I'm waiting for the VO copy of the TA Pro 5 crankset. Supposed to take a 28 or 30 small chain ring. and hopefully under $200 smackers. That fancy smancy Sugino crankset uses an external BB... not something I would want. ~Mike~ On Aug 2, 2:48 pm, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 2, 11:42 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to bully the thread, but I also called Merry Sales. They don't import it, and don't know what Sugino products they will add in 2011 until after Interbike in September. After Interbike, if they've decided to bring that model in, then they'd be in the pipeline maybe by Spring 2011. Obviously no hints at all about pricing. I'd be floored if it was under $500. If Merry/Riv or anyone else price this crank at $500, they might as well forget it. The market for this crank is way too small for that kind of price. The only people willing to pay that kind of price want lightweight and perhaps carbon. Neither of which applies to this crank. If there is any thoughts to selling this crank at a competitive price, it should be in the $150-200. There's no reason why this crank should be more expensive than say the Sugino Alpina sold by VO. Anything more and it is non-competitive. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
Those Gran Cru cranks are slick and much more retro in look. Too bad for me that Chris K insists I can't tell the difference between 172.5mm and 170. They should be available any day now. 46/30 is going to be the right thing for a lot of things. On Aug 2, 3:20 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I think I'm waiting for the VO copy of the TA Pro 5 crankset. Supposed to take a 28 or 30 small chain ring. and hopefully under $200 smackers. That fancy smancy Sugino crankset uses an external BB... not something I would want. ~Mike~ On Aug 2, 2:48 pm, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 2, 11:42 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to bully the thread, but I also called Merry Sales. They don't import it, and don't know what Sugino products they will add in 2011 until after Interbike in September. After Interbike, if they've decided to bring that model in, then they'd be in the pipeline maybe by Spring 2011. Obviously no hints at all about pricing. I'd be floored if it was under $500. If Merry/Riv or anyone else price this crank at $500, they might as well forget it. The market for this crank is way too small for that kind of price. The only people willing to pay that kind of price want lightweight and perhaps carbon. Neither of which applies to this crank. If there is any thoughts to selling this crank at a competitive price, it should be in the $150-200. There's no reason why this crank should be more expensive than say the Sugino Alpina sold by VO. Anything more and it is non-competitive. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
I agree completely. No 172.5 makes it a non-starter for me, otherwise I would be very interested in a pair. I respect Chris for what he's doing for the Riv/VO/etc. aspect of the industry, but there are times when he's wrong, and his stance on 172.5's is one of those times. On Aug 2, 6:48 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Those Gran Cru cranks are slick and much more retro in look. Too bad for me that Chris K insists I can't tell the difference between 172.5mm and 170. They should be available any day now. 46/30 is going to be the right thing for a lot of things. On Aug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
Works for me... I prefer the 175's. I feel like I climb better with a longer crankarm. I'm a little concerned about Q factor though. I prefer something a little wider. ~Mike~ On Aug 2, 4:33 pm, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely. No 172.5 makes it a non-starter for me, otherwise I would be very interested in a pair. I respect Chris for what he's doing for the Riv/VO/etc. aspect of the industry, but there are times when he's wrong, and his stance on 172.5's is one of those times. On Aug 2, 6:48 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Those Gran Cru cranks are slick and much more retro in look. Too bad for me that Chris K insists I can't tell the difference between 172.5mm and 170. They should be available any day now. 46/30 is going to be the right thing for a lot of things. On Aug- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
