[RBW] Re: New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Gorgeous bike.  I love the orange and red accents against the blue frame.

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Joe Bernard]

I tend to agree with this, Bill. I have various bikes with various forms of 
boltage, and would prefer to never worry about a QR being incorrectly tightened 
or accidentally knocked open. They work well enough to not replace, but they're 
kinda pointless. 

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Bill Lindsay]

Benz asked :  "What gives? Security concerns?"

I'm not sure what exactly you are asking when you ask "what gives?"  
Nothing gives.  QRs are sufficient to hold wheels on, in most situations.  
I have QR wheels on most of my bikes.  They are fine.  I have nothing 
against QRs, far from it.  I'm just pointing out that the only people who 
NEED them are people with a team car following them.  I carry the tools I 
need to do the mechanical things I need to do.  A wrench to loosen a 15mm 
axle nut is just one tool in the kit.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 2:24:01 PM UTC-7, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
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> I guess I really don't need it, but I find QRs to be convenient and a nice 
> plus. What gives? Security concerns?

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Drew there are two - one being Nitto and the other being a Factory Five 
Titan stem which is actually a 31.8 but would use a shim.  What my mechanic 
is doing for me though is using a threadless stem with a quill adapter.

On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:08:12 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
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> Chris, is there a quill stem with a removable faceplate in 25.4?
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[drew]

Chris, is there a quill stem with a removable faceplate in 25.4?

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Thanks!  I'm working on that aspect for the lift-a-tube.  My handlebars are 
going to be the Velo Orange Klunker bars with cork Ergon grips so I'd go 
tan there.

On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 1:49:29 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
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> I'd try to find bar tape for the lift-a-tube to match the stem color. It's 
> already looking like a fun machine, however I hope there's a front rack and 
> basket in its future. In a word, APPROVE.

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Congrats on the bike Bill!  I'm gathering parts as we speak for my build 
up.  I can't do it myself (lack of knowledge, talent, etc) but my LBS is 
great and they are doing it.  Just ordered the tires yesterday.

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 8:44:05 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> I picked up my Rosco Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte frameset today and threw 
> it right on the stand.  
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> 1.  grind off the lawyer lips
> 2.  wrap the lift-a-tube
> 3.  install the wheels, saddle and cockpit for an initial mock-up (photo 
> above)
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> Then I hung the drivetrain on there.  It's going to be a 2x10 contemporary 
> Shimano setup.  The super-weirdo thing I decided to do was BOLT ON wheels.  
> I've been saying for a while that QR wheels are a historical accident and 
> none of us really need them.  The reason we all run them is that's what 
> everybody expects.  So I put my "money" where my "mouth" is.  More to 
> come
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> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Bill Lindsay]

Jonathan D asked if this is Bike #11. 

No, my ten bike goal included this bike. It was always part of the plan.  

BL in EC

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Jonathan D.]

So does this mean a new goal of 200 miles on 11 bikes?  Thanks for the 
pictures. 

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[Bill Lindsay]

A couple people commented on my red/orange lugged Nitto stem.  

I used to have a 56cm Bombadil.  I bought it 'off the rack'.  It was 
powdercoated orange.  When I got it, they also got a batch of Bullmoose 
bars powdercoated in the same colors, so I managed to get a bullmoose bar 
that matched my Bombadil exactly.  

Later, as always happens, I decided to set up a drop bar cockpit.  I needed 
a 9cm stem for the really long TT of the Bombadil.  Jay showed me a Tech 
DLX and a Nitto lugged stem in standard dullbright, and also showed me a 
raw Nitto lugged stem.  He said "we'll paint it for you, no extra charge".  
I couldn't pass that up, so I chose the raw one.  A couple weeks later I 
picked it up and it was WAY too yellow.  Jay said, "well, that sucks, let 
me try again".  The second time around it was close, but a little too red.  
I just took it, and nobody seemed to notice.  When I sold my Bombadil, the 
buyer didn't want the not-matching Nitto lugged stem, and it's been sitting 
in the bin.  I thought about trying to sell it, but what would anyone pay 
for a weird red-orange $220 stem?  Besides it has sentimental value.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 6:06:01 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
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> Red lugged(?) stem. What/how?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bob K.]

Looks great, Bill! This reminds me that I have a similar (albeit physically 
opposite) "problem" with my Krampus horizontal dropouts. I bought some 
Wolftooth link thingamajig to pair with spacers to allow for more mud 
clearance, and I've yet to install it. Putting it on the list. Thanks for the 
inspiration.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

At the beginning of this thread I showed my new Rosco Bubbe road bike.  I 
pointed out that one thing that I consider sub-optimal about it is the 
horizontal dropouts, and the lame fender lines forced by horizontal 
dropouts.  People pointed out that there are plugs that force the wheel 
forward in the horizontal dropouts and that you can use a chainring bolt as 
a 'free' substitute for those aftermarket plugs.  

I've implemented that chainring bolt modification.  I found a couple of 
alloy chainring bolts from my weight weenie days, and installed those.  Now 
my wheel is solidly registered against my chainring bolt plugs and sitting 
at the front of the horizontal dropouts.  That 'fixes' the gap at the front 
of the fender.  I trimmed the stays to correct the new gap at the rear, and 
now I have nice fender line.  

Here is a link to the BEFORE 
 shot of the big 
gap because the wheel was back in the dropout



Here's a close-up of the dropout now plugged with a chainring bolt. 
 There's on on the other side as well




..and here's the now-better fenderline as a result.


thanks for the tip!


Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA




On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 4:08:38 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> I really like that chainring bolt hack.  That's excellent.  I have a small 
> collection of alloy chainring bolts from a weight weenie project.  I never 
> use them because they are stupidly fragile, but they weigh nothing, so I 
> keep them.  Those will do nicely in this application.  Awesome!
>
> Bill
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

I really like that chainring bolt hack.  That's excellent.  I have a small 
collection of alloy chainring bolts from a weight weenie project.  I never 
use them because they are stupidly fragile, but they weigh nothing, so I 
keep them.  Those will do nicely in this application.  Awesome!

Bill


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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes, those Monkey Nuts do resemble the classic steel ones you'd see on UJBs 
back in the day.  They are coincidentally priced at very close to my pain 
threshold for trying to make my own (~$25).  I was not aware of that 
product.  Thanks for the hint.  

I was thinking something like this:  Ebay of the old type 


I bet there's a bike shop with literally hundreds of those in a drawer that 
would give me a pair for free.  

On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 11:46:52 AM UTC-8, George Schick wrote:
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> Bill - when you say "dropout plugs" I assume you mean those "spacers" of 
> yesteryear that are intended to be used with horizontal dropouts lacking 
> axle alignment bolts.  As far as I know Surly is one of the few, if not the 
> only one, who still makes these.  They call 'em Monkey Nuts and they're 
> primarily intended to be used on frames with rear-facing dropouts like the 
> Karate Monkey and they come in three versions.  I can't see why the 
> wouldn't work on a standard road frame with regular horizontal dropouts, 
> though. And version 3 would seem to be the best option.  They also appear 
> to have a slight bit of adjustability to them so you could true things up 
> as necessary.
>
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 10:32:25 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I know about the Spring Thing.  I haven't tied one, but I'm 200% 
>> convinced it will rattle, and I would rather have silent fenders in the 
>> wrong position than noisy fenders with perfect lines. As much as I like 
>> showing off photos of parked bikes, I do actually ride them a little. 
>>
>> The more likely solution that I might pursue is making my own dropout 
>> plugs to push the wheel all the way forward while still allowing reliable 
>> and repeatable wheel installation. That way the fender gap doesn't need to 
>> be huge. 
>>
>> If one of you kind and helpful recommenders of the Spring Thing is sure 
>> it won't rattle, please let me know and I will try one.  Please be sure 
>> though, because I will likely have to drill out the M5 threads on my 
>> kickstand plate to install this thing.  
>>
>> Bill
>>
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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[George Schick]

Bill - when you say "dropout plugs" I assume you mean those "spacers" of 
yesteryear that are intended to be used with horizontal dropouts lacking 
axle alignment bolts.  As far as I know Surly is one of the few, if not the 
only one, who still makes these.  They call 'em Monkey Nuts and they're 
primarily intended to be used on frames with rear-facing dropouts like the 
Karate Monkey and they come in three versions.  I can't see why the 
wouldn't work on a standard road frame with regular horizontal dropouts, 
though. And version 3 would seem to be the best option.  They also appear 
to have a slight bit of adjustability to them so you could true things up 
as necessary.

On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 10:32:25 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I know about the Spring Thing.  I haven't tied one, but I'm 200% convinced 
> it will rattle, and I would rather have silent fenders in the wrong 
> position than noisy fenders with perfect lines. As much as I like showing 
> off photos of parked bikes, I do actually ride them a little. 
>
> The more likely solution that I might pursue is making my own dropout 
> plugs to push the wheel all the way forward while still allowing reliable 
> and repeatable wheel installation. That way the fender gap doesn't need to 
> be huge. 
>
> If one of you kind and helpful recommenders of the Spring Thing is sure it 
> won't rattle, please let me know and I will try one.  Please be sure 
> though, because I will likely have to drill out the M5 threads on my 
> kickstand plate to install this thing.  
>
> Bill
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

I know about the Spring Thing.  I haven't tied one, but I'm 200% convinced it 
will rattle, and I would rather have silent fenders in the wrong position than 
noisy fenders with perfect lines. As much as I like showing off photos of 
parked bikes, I do actually ride them a little. 

The more likely solution that I might pursue is making my own dropout plugs to 
push the wheel all the way forward while still allowing reliable and repeatable 
wheel installation. That way the fender gap doesn't need to be huge. 

If one of you kind and helpful recommenders of the Spring Thing is sure it 
won't rattle, please let me know and I will try one.  Please be sure though, 
because I will likely have to drill out the M5 threads on my kickstand plate to 
install this thing.  

Bill

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[iamkeith]

Here's Bill-in-Roswell's idea in action.   VO sells the pieces, but I'm 
sure you can come up with something equally nice or better on your own:

http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders/fender-hardware/spring-thing.html



On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 11:22:08 PM UTC-7, Bill in Roswell GA 
wrote:
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>
> As for the fender issue with horz dropouts (ala my old Bstone and Trek, 
> but the Trek has adjuster screws), I co-opted someone's idea on iBob from 
> 8-10 years ago for rear fender fit issues. To wit, long carriage bolt 
> through chain stay, with spring mounted between chain stay and fender - 
> adjust nut/bolt until fender is equi-distant from tire. I'm sure you're 
> familiar with that type setup as a few iBob/RBW members have used a similar 
> setup - otherwise I wouldn't have a clue! 
>
> When I need to remove the rear wheel on the Bridgestone, which has SKS 
> fenders, I just push it forward and the fender moves forward via spring 
> just enough that I can drop the wheel out "gracefully". 
>
> Cheers,
> Bill in Roswell, GA
>
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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Edwin W]

There is even a blue lift-a-tube bike in Nashville!
http://nashville.craigslist.org/bik/5921767706.html

In Nashville, where there are not many Riv-ish bikes,

Edwin

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 5:37:22 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Philip Williamson]

"Bart Handle" cracked me up. New official name. 
Bill, your bike looks great. That vintage blue bottle color and rocket 
headbadge are a great combination. Put a Geiger counter on it, it's hot! 

Philip
biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Man, that Roscoe McCarthy is a cool bike like no other. The shade of blue 
is spot-on. The head badge iconically retro. The lower horz tube, which 
looked weird on the test mule olive color, looks totally natural in the 
blue. I've been hauling bikes of all types up to my (thankfully only) 
second floor condo. The lower horz tube is a no brainer, as in "why did no 
one think of this before?". Well, maybe someone did, but if the cycling 
community didn't know about it, the point is moot. 

As for the fender issue with horz dropouts (ala my old Bstone and Trek, but 
the Trek has adjuster screws), I co-opted someone's idea on iBob from 8-10 
years ago for rear fender fit issues. To wit, long carriage bolt through 
chain stay, with spring mounted between chain stay and fender - adjust 
nut/bolt until fender is equi-distant from tire. I'm sure you're familiar 
with that type setup as a few iBob/RBW members have used a similar setup - 
otherwise I wouldn't have a clue! 

When I need to remove the rear wheel on the Bridgestone, which has SKS 
fenders, I just push it forward and the fender moves forward via spring 
just enough that I can drop the wheel out "gracefully". 

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA


On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Haha Rod, I was thinking about writing a short treatise in defense of the 
> long dropouts.  I think a wheel, when installed, should have a 'right' 
> position.  That's the main reason I like vertical dropouts.  The weight of 
> the bike on the axle guarantees the rear wheel registers against the 
> dropout in exactly the right, repeatable position.  With horizontals, you 
> pull it back until something stops it, or you decide to position it 
> manually before you lock it into place.  With adjustable horizontals you 
> adjust the stops to the desired position and then wheel installation is 
> unambiguous.  With non-adjustible horizontals like this you get nothing 
> except pull it all the way back, which is what I've done.  It maximizes the 
> long chainstay effect and I think there it no downside to long chainstays.  
>
> But.all the way back in horizontals requires you to make an unsightly 
> large gap at the front of the rear fender to allow you to get the wheel 
> out.  It's ugly, but I'll get over it:
>
> BIG gap 
>
> The key is to be casually deliberate about it.  I meant to do that.  
>
> In my first few rides on the bike, I'm astonished how silent my drivetrain 
> has turned out.  When I shift, I can't even hear it shift.  It's 
> incredible.  I'm now starting to suspect that I'm getting benefits from 
> having the extremely large chain wrap having the axle way behind the rear 
> der.  It starts to look like the massive chain wrap you see on Cyclo and 
> Nivex rear ends:
>
> Nivex Example 
>
> By wrapping the chain 180 degrees around the cogset, there is no chain 
> tension at the links that are actually shifting.  With some of these 1x 
> setups, the chain wrap is closer to 90 degrees.  So, my working strategy is 
> to slam the wheel all the way back and call it a modern version of an old 
> french rear der setup.  In other words:  APPROVE.  The fender issue is 
> something I can defend.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 11:41:21 AM UTC-8, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> It's beautiful. Any further thoughts about the drop-outs, now that you've 
>> laid hands on them?
>>
>> rod
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Thumbs up! 

Bill in Roswell, GA

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 10:02:46 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Chris commented on how I had plenty of nice bits to pull together a build 
>
> That's kind of my secret. Buy stuff when great deals present themselves. 
>  Buy stuff when something irresistibly cool presents itself. Stock up on 
> mundane consumables.  That way, whenever a wheelset shakes itself free, I'm 
> just a frameset away from new bike day. On new bike day, the whole bike 
> "cost" the price of a frameset.  All that internal inventory was "free". 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Surlyprof]

Bill,

I was wondering about those BonJonPass tires.  How do you like them in 
comparison to Barlow Pass?  They came out after I bought my Barlow Pass tires 
(on your recommendation) so I've since been curious.

McCarthy looks fantastic.  Love the bart handle.

John

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Daniel Betancourt]

A little late on my reply, but nice looking bike Bill! I looked at several 
Rosco frames before settling on the Sam Hillborne and if I didn't go with 
the Sam I would most likely have gone with a Rosco.

Dan

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 6:37:22 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> 
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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Rod Holland]

Thank, Bill. That's helpful.

rod

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

Haha Rod, I was thinking about writing a short treatise in defense of the 
long dropouts.  I think a wheel, when installed, should have a 'right' 
position.  That's the main reason I like vertical dropouts.  The weight of 
the bike on the axle guarantees the rear wheel registers against the 
dropout in exactly the right, repeatable position.  With horizontals, you 
pull it back until something stops it, or you decide to position it 
manually before you lock it into place.  With adjustable horizontals you 
adjust the stops to the desired position and then wheel installation is 
unambiguous.  With non-adjustible horizontals like this you get nothing 
except pull it all the way back, which is what I've done.  It maximizes the 
long chainstay effect and I think there it no downside to long chainstays.  

But.all the way back in horizontals requires you to make an unsightly 
large gap at the front of the rear fender to allow you to get the wheel 
out.  It's ugly, but I'll get over it:

BIG gap 

The key is to be casually deliberate about it.  I meant to do that.  

In my first few rides on the bike, I'm astonished how silent my drivetrain 
has turned out.  When I shift, I can't even hear it shift.  It's 
incredible.  I'm now starting to suspect that I'm getting benefits from 
having the extremely large chain wrap having the axle way behind the rear 
der.  It starts to look like the massive chain wrap you see on Cyclo and 
Nivex rear ends:

Nivex Example 

By wrapping the chain 180 degrees around the cogset, there is no chain 
tension at the links that are actually shifting.  With some of these 1x 
setups, the chain wrap is closer to 90 degrees.  So, my working strategy is 
to slam the wheel all the way back and call it a modern version of an old 
french rear der setup.  In other words:  APPROVE.  The fender issue is 
something I can defend.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 11:41:21 AM UTC-8, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> It's beautiful. Any further thoughts about the drop-outs, now that you've 
> laid hands on them?
>
> rod
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Don Compton]

A beautiful pure Rivendell. I love my Roadeo, but I could sure enjoy a 
Rosco.
Cheers, Don C.

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 3:37:22 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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>
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Tim Tetrault]

Super sweet, Bill. Looks nimble. 

On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Brian corrected me that Colin is not in Portland, but instead is in that 
> little-known suburb of Portland...Seattle.  :-P
>
> I went on a true maiden voyage this morning.  On my daily drop run through 
> the cemetery in El Cerrito, I stopped at my favorite crypt and took a shot. 
>  While I LOVE the rocket logo and I also love the R05C0 8U883 spelling, I 
> do not think I will vocally refer to this bike as "Rosco Bubbe".  I'm 
> thinking I might vocally refer to this bike as "McCarthy"  
>
>
> 
>
> McCarthy rides like the fine road bike it is, and with the splendid 700x35 
> Bon Jon Pass tires, it's a screamer going downhill.  I think I'm going to 
> completely love the fast front end of a traditional road bike (73 HTA and 
> 45mm offset) paired with longish chainstays.  All the good, none of the 
> bad.  
>
>
> Portaging the bike up the BART steps in El Cerrito, and back down in Union 
> City, the liftatube was perfect.  Like giggling perfect.  Like every time I 
> ever carried a bike up or down stairs in my life, I was doing it wrong.  
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 1:52:35 PM UTC-8, stonehog wrote:
>>
>> Love the bike, Bill!  One quick note on Colin (Stevens) - he works out of 
>> Seattle's Georgetown neighborhood.  Here's the website if anyone wants to 
>> look into his racks/trailers:  http://www.haulincolin.com/index.html  
>>
>> I have his rack on my Hunqapillar, and can vouch for it being a great 
>> piece of hauling gear!
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
>> www.stonehog.com
>>
>> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 8:43:06 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Ted asked about the front rack on my new build
>>>
>>> There's a rack guy in Portland who goes by the business name Haulin 
>>> Colin. A list member had Colin build him this rack custom, but then he 
>>> decided he was going in another direction.  I had owned a Haulin Colin full 
>>> porteur rack and was super happy with it, so I was pleased to pick this up. 
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay 
>>> El Cerrito Ca
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

Brian corrected me that Colin is not in Portland, but instead is in that 
little-known suburb of Portland...Seattle.  :-P

I went on a true maiden voyage this morning.  On my daily drop run through 
the cemetery in El Cerrito, I stopped at my favorite crypt and took a shot. 
 While I LOVE the rocket logo and I also love the R05C0 8U883 spelling, I 
do not think I will vocally refer to this bike as "Rosco Bubbe".  I'm 
thinking I might vocally refer to this bike as "McCarthy"  



McCarthy rides like the fine road bike it is, and with the splendid 700x35 
Bon Jon Pass tires, it's a screamer going downhill.  I think I'm going to 
completely love the fast front end of a traditional road bike (73 HTA and 
45mm offset) paired with longish chainstays.  All the good, none of the 
bad.  


Portaging the bike up the BART steps in El Cerrito, and back down in Union 
City, the liftatube was perfect.  Like giggling perfect.  Like every time I 
ever carried a bike up or down stairs in my life, I was doing it wrong.  


Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA


On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 1:52:35 PM UTC-8, stonehog wrote:
>
> Love the bike, Bill!  One quick note on Colin (Stevens) - he works out of 
> Seattle's Georgetown neighborhood.  Here's the website if anyone wants to 
> look into his racks/trailers:  http://www.haulincolin.com/index.html  
>
> I have his rack on my Hunqapillar, and can vouch for it being a great 
> piece of hauling gear!
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
> www.stonehog.com
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 8:43:06 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Ted asked about the front rack on my new build
>>
>> There's a rack guy in Portland who goes by the business name Haulin 
>> Colin. A list member had Colin build him this rack custom, but then he 
>> decided he was going in another direction.  I had owned a Haulin Colin full 
>> porteur rack and was super happy with it, so I was pleased to pick this up. 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay 
>> El Cerrito Ca
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

George asked about my S500 brakelevers. 

Regular brake levers work well with cantilever brakes. No special adjustability 
is required. These levers do have a reach adjust screw, but that's more to tune 
them to your hand size, not to change the mechanical advantage. You would 
likely need a travel agent or similar device to use these levers with full size 
V brakes, but mini v brakes and cantilever brakes work fine with no special 
maneuvers  

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[George Schick]

Another question, if I may, now that I'm looking at the finished build: 
 Those SRAM S500 levers - the manf.'s literature on the Web says their 
adjustable for many applications.  I assume that they were adjustable 
enough to work with the canti's you're using without the need for a travel 
agent?  They look like very nice brake levers with good ergonomic 
qualities. 

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 2:27:41 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> As promised I took a photo of the build process.  I managed to find a 
> Pearl 11 stem, which saved me some hassles and delays.  So the build list 
> is something like this:
>
> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Road 58cm Blue
> Wheelset:  Mavic Open Pro 32 hole, White Industries T11 rear hub, SON 
> Deluxe front, Dura Ace Skewers
>   Compass Bon Jon Pass Tires, Ultegra 12-25 9sp cassette
> Drivetrain:  Campy Veloce 110 BCD 172.5mm arms.  Chainguard/39T 
> tripleizer/25T rings, Grip King Pedals, Campy Centaur FD, Dura Ace 7700 RD
>   SRAM PC970 chain, Dura Ace 9sp barcons
> Components:  Pearl 11 stem, Noodle 46 bars, CR720 brakes, SRAM S500 
> brakelevers, Avocet R40 saddle, generic post, Viva Orange Cloth Tape
> Other Accessories:  King Cages, Plastic fenders, Hanging Edelux lamp, 
> Haulin Colin demi-Porteur front rack
>
> There are a couple other mini-details that I'll show off when I get a 
> little closer
>
> PHOTO  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[stonehog]

Love the bike, Bill!  One quick note on Colin (Stevens) - he works out of 
Seattle's Georgetown neighborhood.  Here's the website if anyone wants to 
look into his racks/trailers:  http://www.haulincolin.com/index.html  

I have his rack on my Hunqapillar, and can vouch for it being a great piece 
of hauling gear!

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA
www.stonehog.com

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 8:43:06 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Ted asked about the front rack on my new build
>
> There's a rack guy in Portland who goes by the business name Haulin Colin. 
> A list member had Colin build him this rack custom, but then he decided he 
> was going in another direction.  I had owned a Haulin Colin full porteur 
> rack and was super happy with it, so I was pleased to pick this up. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

George asked:  "Did you select this particular model specially for your 
commute, to carry it on board the BART trains? "

Short answer:  Yes

The longer answer is more nuanced.  I really dig the whole Rosco Bubbe 
project and the way it allows us to kind of crowd-fund Rivendell's 
continuing to explore bike concepts that flat out do not exist anywhere 
else in the world.  I particularly dig the headbadge and the rocket.  My 
ultimate custom Rivendell would possibly be a cantilever equipped Roadeo.  
The 58cm Rosco Road is exactly that, for about $2700 less, albeit 
tig-welded with heavier tubing.  The deal killer for me was the horizontal 
dropouts.  Horizontal dropouts are completely useless unless you want to 
convert your geared bike to a single speed.  Three of my bikes (including 
this Rosco) have horizontal dropouts and I'd change them all to vertical if 
I could wave my magic wand.  

But then I rode it.  It rides like a great road bike.  I tested out the 
Liftatube and it's perfect for me.  I kind of hated the look of the top 
tube and head tube extension.  The top tube looks "dropped" for no really 
good reason.  Lifting the bike by the handle gave me a good reason.  It 
fits!  The top tube is right in my arm pit and I've got a great grip on the 
liftatube.  It's like a tailor measured my sleeve-length and custom built 
that liftatube for me.  

Still, the combination of the price, the horizontal dropouts and the look 
of a cheaper tigged bike still had me on the fence.  I had almost the 
entire build on-hand.  I had sold my low-trail, flexy ('planing') road 
frameset, and had a great dynamo road wheelset ready.  I almost backed into 
a used Ebisu All-Purpose that would have become this build.  I lost out on 
that one, and decided to build this purpose built every day bike instead.  
That made the price more palatable because I was going to buy a used frame 
for $1450, but I got this one for $925.  It's like I SAVED $500, right?  :-)

Anyway, it's going to be an optimal bike for my every day BART + bike 
routine.  I will experiment with a couple bike camping load configurations 
on it, and if I spend as much time riding this summer as I expect to, I 
will not rule out putting a pair of Compass Stellacoom 700x38 knobbies on 
it and doing some cyclocross races this next fall on it.  A Legolas at a 
$2000 discount?  Maybe

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[George Schick]

Bill - I noticed from your photo of the Rosco that it's one of the first 
frame designs that Grant came up with that has a cross-piece welded in just 
above the front derailleur, presumably to facilitate carrying the bike 
while walking or running.  Did you select this particular model specially 
for your commute, to carry it on board the BART trains?  Very nice 
build-up, BTW, and as others have posted, I like that color, too.

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 6:24:38 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Steve asked about bike security at BART stations
>
> I think you asked because you think I'm going to park my new bike at BART, 
> which is the opposite of the use-case.  People park a bike at BART for one 
> of two reasons:  
>
> 1.  I drive to BART.  BART to destination station.  Unlock parked bike and 
> ride it to work
> 2.  I bike to BART and park my bike.  I BART to destination station.  I 
> walk to work.  
>
> Neither of those is my use-case.  My use case is:  Ride from front door to 
> BART.  BART to Union City Station.  Ride to office.  
>
> To answer your question which does not apply to me, bike security varies 
> station to station.  Some stations have nice lockers you can pay for.  Some 
> have crappy lockers you can pay for.  Some have supervised free bike 
> parking inside the station.  Some have nothing useful.  I've never once 
> parked a bike at BART.  
>
> My office has nice bike lockers.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

Ted asked about the front rack on my new build

There's a rack guy in Portland who goes by the business name Haulin Colin. A 
list member had Colin build him this rack custom, but then he decided he was 
going in another direction.  I had owned a Haulin Colin full porteur rack and 
was super happy with it, so I was pleased to pick this up. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

Ted asked about the front rack on my new build

There's a rack guy in Portland who goes by the business name Haulin Colin. A 
list member had Colin build him this rack custom, but then he decided he was 
going in another direction.  I had owned a Haulin Colin full porteur rack and 
was super happy with it, so I was pleased to pick this up. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[ted]

Very nice. Pray tell, where is the front rack from?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Les Lammers]

Very nice Bill! I wonder if we will be seeing more 'different' designs from 
Riv? 

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 11:54:47 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The build is pretty much done now, including fenders, lighting and 
> tape/twine/shellac.  
>
> ALBUM of Rosco 
> 
>
> It turned out very nicely.  I need to bolt a Dutch Taillight to the rear 
> fender.  I also pre-ordered a big handlebar bag from Ocean Air, the 
> Docena.  When that comes in, I'm going to do a version of a decaleur 
> utilizing Nitto Accessory Mounts.  I should be able to take it out tomorrow 
> and press it into commuting duty right away.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 12:27:41 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> As promised I took a photo of the build process.  I managed to find a 
>> Pearl 11 stem, which saved me some hassles and delays.  So the build list 
>> is something like this:
>>
>> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Road 58cm Blue
>> Wheelset:  Mavic Open Pro 32 hole, White Industries T11 rear hub, SON 
>> Deluxe front, Dura Ace Skewers
>>   Compass Bon Jon Pass Tires, Ultegra 12-25 9sp cassette
>> Drivetrain:  Campy Veloce 110 BCD 172.5mm arms.  Chainguard/39T 
>> tripleizer/25T rings, Grip King Pedals, Campy Centaur FD, Dura Ace 7700 RD
>>   SRAM PC970 chain, Dura Ace 9sp barcons
>> Components:  Pearl 11 stem, Noodle 46 bars, CR720 brakes, SRAM S500 
>> brakelevers, Avocet R40 saddle, generic post, Viva Orange Cloth Tape
>> Other Accessories:  King Cages, Plastic fenders, Hanging Edelux lamp, 
>> Haulin Colin demi-Porteur front rack
>>
>> There are a couple other mini-details that I'll show off when I get a 
>> little closer
>>
>> PHOTO  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Matt Beecher]

Ugh!  That is a nice looking frame and bike.  I've been trying to fight the 
urge to get one.  I really don't need it.

-Matt B.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

The build is pretty much done now, including fenders, lighting and 
tape/twine/shellac.  

ALBUM of Rosco 


It turned out very nicely.  I need to bolt a Dutch Taillight to the rear 
fender.  I also pre-ordered a big handlebar bag from Ocean Air, the 
Docena.  When that comes in, I'm going to do a version of a decaleur 
utilizing Nitto Accessory Mounts.  I should be able to take it out tomorrow 
and press it into commuting duty right away.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 12:27:41 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> As promised I took a photo of the build process.  I managed to find a 
> Pearl 11 stem, which saved me some hassles and delays.  So the build list 
> is something like this:
>
> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Road 58cm Blue
> Wheelset:  Mavic Open Pro 32 hole, White Industries T11 rear hub, SON 
> Deluxe front, Dura Ace Skewers
>   Compass Bon Jon Pass Tires, Ultegra 12-25 9sp cassette
> Drivetrain:  Campy Veloce 110 BCD 172.5mm arms.  Chainguard/39T 
> tripleizer/25T rings, Grip King Pedals, Campy Centaur FD, Dura Ace 7700 RD
>   SRAM PC970 chain, Dura Ace 9sp barcons
> Components:  Pearl 11 stem, Noodle 46 bars, CR720 brakes, SRAM S500 
> brakelevers, Avocet R40 saddle, generic post, Viva Orange Cloth Tape
> Other Accessories:  King Cages, Plastic fenders, Hanging Edelux lamp, 
> Haulin Colin demi-Porteur front rack
>
> There are a couple other mini-details that I'll show off when I get a 
> little closer
>
> PHOTO  
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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

Haha.  That's a good thing!  My stable is in a state of flux.  Very 
recently I've sold 4 bikes, and a 5th is being relocated.  That's enabled 
me to fire off a few new ones.  

Doing builds is one of the very best things I do.  If I was forced to 
either give up riding or give up doing builds I would probably give up 
riding.  Fortunately, nobody is forcing me to give up either one.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 10:18:39 AM UTC-8, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Every time I come on here, you're getting a new bike Bill! :-P
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 6:37:22 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Kieran J]

Every time I come on here, you're getting a new bike Bill! :-P

KJ


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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Ryan Fleming]

APPROVE!!!

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 9:02:46 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Chris commented on how I had plenty of nice bits to pull together a build 
>
> That's kind of my secret. Buy stuff when great deals present themselves. 
>  Buy stuff when something irresistibly cool presents itself. Stock up on 
> mundane consumables.  That way, whenever a wheelset shakes itself free, I'm 
> just a frameset away from new bike day. On new bike day, the whole bike 
> "cost" the price of a frameset.  All that internal inventory was "free". 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

Chris commented on how I had plenty of nice bits to pull together a build

That's kind of my secret. Buy stuff when great deals present themselves.  Buy 
stuff when something irresistibly cool presents itself. Stock up on mundane 
consumables.  That way, whenever a wheelset shakes itself free, I'm just a 
frameset away from new bike day. On new bike day, the whole bike "cost" the 
price of a frameset.  All that internal inventory was "free". 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Ron Mc]

the color is perfection

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Chris Birkenmaier]

You sure have more than adequate parts hanging around your garage to build up a 
bike!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

Oops!  I lied about that 110BCD

My double-singlespeed bike is the one that has the 110bcd crankset.  This 
one on my Rosco Bubbe is actually a 135BCD Campy Chorus.  I bought it on 
Ebay as a 52/42.  I scrubbed the teeth off the 42 to make a chainguard, 
bought the 135bcd 39T tripleizer and the 25T granny from David Banzer 
(Treetop).  

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 12:33:43 AM UTC-8, ed wrote:
>
> Very nice build :-)
> I like your Campy Veloce 110 BCD!
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> As promised I took a photo of the build process.  I managed to find a 
>> Pearl 11 stem, which saved me some hassles and delays.  So the build list 
>> is something like this:
>>
>> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Road 58cm Blue
>> Wheelset:  Mavic Open Pro 32 hole, White Industries T11 rear hub, SON 
>> Deluxe front, Dura Ace Skewers
>>   Compass Bon Jon Pass Tires, Ultegra 12-25 9sp cassette
>> Drivetrain:  Campy Veloce 110 BCD 172.5mm arms.  Chainguard/39T 
>> tripleizer/25T rings, Grip King Pedals, Campy Centaur FD, Dura Ace 7700 RD
>>   SRAM PC970 chain, Dura Ace 9sp barcons
>> Components:  Pearl 11 stem, Noodle 46 bars, CR720 brakes, SRAM S500 
>> brakelevers, Avocet R40 saddle, generic post, Viva Orange Cloth Tape
>> Other Accessories:  King Cages, Plastic fenders, Hanging Edelux lamp, 
>> Haulin Colin demi-Porteur front rack
>>
>> There are a couple other mini-details that I'll show off when I get a 
>> little closer
>>
>> PHOTO  
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Ed Fausto]

Very nice build :-)
I like your Campy Veloce 110 BCD!

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> As promised I took a photo of the build process.  I managed to find a
> Pearl 11 stem, which saved me some hassles and delays.  So the build list
> is something like this:
>
> Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Road 58cm Blue
> Wheelset:  Mavic Open Pro 32 hole, White Industries T11 rear hub, SON
> Deluxe front, Dura Ace Skewers
>   Compass Bon Jon Pass Tires, Ultegra 12-25 9sp cassette
> Drivetrain:  Campy Veloce 110 BCD 172.5mm arms.  Chainguard/39T
> tripleizer/25T rings, Grip King Pedals, Campy Centaur FD, Dura Ace 7700 RD
>   SRAM PC970 chain, Dura Ace 9sp barcons
> Components:  Pearl 11 stem, Noodle 46 bars, CR720 brakes, SRAM S500
> brakelevers, Avocet R40 saddle, generic post, Viva Orange Cloth Tape
> Other Accessories:  King Cages, Plastic fenders, Hanging Edelux lamp,
> Haulin Colin demi-Porteur front rack
>
> There are a couple other mini-details that I'll show off when I get a
> little closer
>
> PHOTO 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

As promised I took a photo of the build process.  I managed to find a Pearl 
11 stem, which saved me some hassles and delays.  So the build list is 
something like this:

Frameset: Rosco Bubbe Road 58cm Blue
Wheelset:  Mavic Open Pro 32 hole, White Industries T11 rear hub, SON 
Deluxe front, Dura Ace Skewers
  Compass Bon Jon Pass Tires, Ultegra 12-25 9sp cassette
Drivetrain:  Campy Veloce 110 BCD 172.5mm arms.  Chainguard/39T 
tripleizer/25T rings, Grip King Pedals, Campy Centaur FD, Dura Ace 7700 RD
  SRAM PC970 chain, Dura Ace 9sp barcons
Components:  Pearl 11 stem, Noodle 46 bars, CR720 brakes, SRAM S500 
brakelevers, Avocet R40 saddle, generic post, Viva Orange Cloth Tape
Other Accessories:  King Cages, Plastic fenders, Hanging Edelux lamp, 
Haulin Colin demi-Porteur front rack

There are a couple other mini-details that I'll show off when I get a 
little closer

PHOTO  

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[lum gim fong]

The Nitto Faotweayher drop bar is 25.4
Its lije a mini noodke
Mod 174?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

I will post a couple photos.  I got a good start last night, but then I hit 
a bit of a speedbump when I discovered that the stem I bought on this list 
was not 26.0mm as advertised, but is actually 25.4.  That prevented me from 
getting anything on the cockpit set up.  

I also can't find the little Nitto cable stop that Brian gave me.  

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 1:30:03 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>
> In fact, post some photos even if it is not completely built up!
>
> Curious in Nashville,
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 2:59:35 PM UTC-6, Chris Birkenmaier 
> wrote:
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>> Congratulations on the new bike!  Post some photos once you have that bad 
>> boy built up 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Edwin W]

In fact, post some photos even if it is not completely built up!

Curious in Nashville,

Edwin

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> Congratulations on the new bike!  Post some photos once you have that bad 
> boy built up 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Congratulations on the new bike!  Post some photos once you have that bad boy 
built up 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/14/2016 07:24 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Steve asked about bike security at BART stations

I think you asked because you think I'm going to park my new bike at 
BART, which is the opposite of the use-case.  People park a bike at 
BART for one of two reasons:


1.  I drive to BART.  BART to destination station.  Unlock parked bike 
and ride it to work
2.  I bike to BART and park my bike.  I BART to destination station. 
 I walk to work.


Neither of those is my use-case.  My use case is:  Ride from front 
door to BART.  BART to Union City Station.  Ride to office.


You mean BART lets you take the bike on the train at rush hour?  Far cry 
from the DC Metro!  Off hours only here.


Not that I have all that much experience riding Metro with a bike - did 
it maybe 3 times, all tiring: very hard to keep the bike stable just 
standing there, even with fairly empty trains.  And the first time, 
riding into town at 7 pm for a Moonlight Monument ride, trains still 
pretty crowded, was really memorable.  The guy behind me was ranting to 
his girlfriend about how he was going to kill his supervisor at work.  
More and more lurid descriptions of blood, dismemberment, knives and 
guns -- and all the while I'm there rocking from side to side 
desperately trying to keep the bike from bumping into this guy, white 
knuckles on the brake lever, lest he go off on me.





To answer your question which does not apply to me, bike security 
varies station to station.  Some stations have nice lockers you can 
pay for.  Some have crappy lockers you can pay for.  Some have 
supervised free bike parking inside the station.  Some have nothing 
useful.  I've never once parked a bike at BART.


My office has nice bike lockers.



That explains a great deal, and I feel much relieved.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Justin August]

The free valet parking at my BART (Fruitvale Station) is excellent.
The BikeLink lockers at West oakland are well used and I've not heard (cue 
report of) of a daytime work hours theft.
There is ample before the payment turnstile parking at most. There is sparse 
after the turnstile parking at some. 

I've only used the valet parking - excellent as I said - and have a BikeLink 
card that I'm too scared to test using my Saluki or wife's Betty. 

I often put my Saluki in my wife's trunk, carpool from East Oakland (Maxwell 
Park) to San Francisco (Western Addition) and then ride home at night to BART 
in SF and then ride the 7-20 miles home depending on route and preference. So 
that's my "BART Bike."

-Justin

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

Steve asked about bike security at BART stations

I think you asked because you think I'm going to park my new bike at BART, 
which is the opposite of the use-case.  People park a bike at BART for one 
of two reasons:  

1.  I drive to BART.  BART to destination station.  Unlock parked bike and 
ride it to work
2.  I bike to BART and park my bike.  I BART to destination station.  I 
walk to work.  

Neither of those is my use-case.  My use case is:  Ride from front door to 
BART.  BART to Union City Station.  Ride to office.  

To answer your question which does not apply to me, bike security varies 
station to station.  Some stations have nice lockers you can pay for.  Some 
have crappy lockers you can pay for.  Some have supervised free bike 
parking inside the station.  Some have nothing useful.  I've never once 
parked a bike at BART.  

My office has nice bike lockers.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/14/2016 07:00 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
It will get a lightish road build with fenders and dynamo lighting. 
 It'll be my everyday BART bike.





How is bike security at BART stations?

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

It will get a lightish road build with fenders and dynamo lighting.  It'll 
be my everyday BART bike.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 3:53:24 PM UTC-8, WETH wrote:
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> Beautiful color! I love my son's Bubbe!
> Plans for this beautiful bike?

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