[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Steve: Would like to plan 2 rides: April 13-14: Delaware Water Gap Adventure Loop - 2-day credit card/self-supported (on/off road), which features a scenic rural road ride up the Delaware River on Day 1, with the Day 2 return leg including a mixed hilly terrain route through High Point/Stokes State Forest and a finish down along the Paulinskil rail trail (unpaved). May 3-5: Riv Rally East (2-day with 3rd optional) - Blue Ridge area of Virginia / Greenbriar River, West Virginia (tentative; still looking...) I hope to have more definitive info within a week. Stay tuned. Bobby On Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:13:10 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: I learned some new techniques for BW conversions the other day and tried them out on this photo taken on the Great Allegheny Passage: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/7107713635/in/set-72157629882288771#/photos/97916047@N00/8439218788/in/set-72157629882288771/lightbox/ That was a great trip. How are things going re: the 2013 edition? (After all, the Great Prognosticator said we're going to have an early spring...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Thanks for the pics. Looked like an awesome ride. How many miles? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012: T-minus 29 days and counting
Hi all, For the folks coming from Virginia, if there is a possiblity of a car-pool please let me know. I can't offer a vehicle as my car only carries one bike but would be happy to carpool and split the gas costs. I'm flexible for Friday and would prefer to stay in Frostburg friday nite, but i can ride from Cumberland if thats where you want to start saturday. On Friday, March 23, 2012 7:32:55 PM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Riv Rally East is less than a month away! I think we pretty much have a final count (at 17), but I'm hoping a few more rallyers will rally and join us. I have been in email contact (directly or indirectly) with all who are confirmed. If you have NOT received an email from me but are planning to join, please contact me ASAP. The shuttle service we have reserved to take us from our ending point in Connellsville PA on Sunday back to our starting point in Cumberland MD is currently at capacity, as is the Paddlers Lane Guest House in Confluence for Saturday night. If you wish to join us, you may need to arrange for your own shuttle service, unless we can get 8 additional riders (at which point we can add another shuttle van). There should be lodging options available in Confluence PA, so IF YOU ARE still interested in joining the Rally, please contact me. We'll have 17 riders meeting in Cumberland/Frostburg on Day 0. Day 1 we will ride 60+ miles over the Eastern Divide to Confluence PA, across some breathtaking viaducts and through several massive tunnels. We'll stay in Confluence overnight. On Day 2 (only 28 miles) we'll have a leisurely ride to Ohiopyle and the Youghigheny River Gorge, then possibly a side trip to the famous Frank Lloyd Wright FallingWater house before continuing on to Connellsville, where most of us will be shuttled back to Cumberland; others will ride back or continue on to Pittsburgh. I can't tell you how excited I am about this ride. I've long wanted to ride the Great Allegheny Passage, and to be among a group of like- minded enthusiasts and awesome bicycles will make this ride extra special. Peace, Bobby -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5UHMpB8o2WMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Could you please post the itinerary for this tirp? I have tried to piece it together by looking through the messages but have not been able to do so. I have been planning a DC to Pittsburgh trip on the trails and if I could plan it to overlap with the rally that would be fun. Thanks. Larry Powers Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:05:59 -0800 Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012 From: montclairbob...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com The Paddlers Lane Guest House has 3 queen beds, 8 singles, a sofabed and a sofa, so it will (arguably) sleep 12 comfortably, or 13 with one on the sofa. Below is the list of the first 13 responses (Rusty, I'm trying to keep your group together, I'm happy to take the couch)... we can shift people around if they'd rather move to a BB, but in general any additional folks will need to reserve with one of the several other BBs and Inns available in Confluence. Apologies, you should have no problem finding a suitable place. If you have any unconfirmed friends joining us later and you need to opt out for a different BB, please let me know. And there's camping available at Paddlers Lane for about $7 per person. Riv Rallyer Paddler's LaneShuttle Falling Water Tour Deposit Needed Bob Birmingham Y Y Y $75 Tom Allingham Y Y Y $75 Hank Allingham Y Y Y $75 Sam Allingham Y Y Y $75 Steve Palincsar Y Y Y $75 Norm Rosenbloom Y Y Y $75 Bruce Oppenheim Y Y Y $75 John Philip Y N Y $55 Andy Philip Y Y Y $75 Tom NezovichY N Y $55 Rusty ClickY N N $75 Rusty Guest 1Y N N $50 Rusty Guest 2Y N N $75 Mark Irwin N Y Y $25 Total Confirmed 13 9 11 Any others who care to join us, please confirm when you can. Would you kindly drop me a check in the mail at your convenience. Thanks! Bobby Birmingham 94 Matthews Farm Road Belle Mead, NJ 08502 Peace, BB On Feb 7, 11:58 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Marc. We're just about at capacity at the Paddler's Lane, but there are other BBs in town that hopefully will be suitable (see my previous post with links). Something else to consider: CAMPING (by the way) IS an option at Paddler's Lane, if any of you are so inclined. It's inexpensive, they have open lawn to pitch tents, use of the house facilities, and they've built a brand new bath house that they are very proud of (with nice showers and toilets). If the weather cooperates, this could be a nice option. We also are approaching capacity on our first shuttle van (we're at 10, with a capacity of 12). Some riders won't need shuttle service, and instead will be doing the extended out-and-back. But before I commit to a second van, we will need to have at least another 6 riders (for it to be cost-effective). We'll find a way to accommodate everyones' lodging and shuttle needs. I've also booked a van for the Falling Water Tour. That will last approx 2 hours. Those who prefer to opt out of the tour, of course you'll be free to spend the time in Ohiopyle (or to just continue on to Connellsville). So if you're considering joining us forRivRallyEast, PLEASE try to firm up your plans and let me know ASAP. For those who have committed so far, thank you; I'll send out the list of names that I have (this evening), and I will be asking for a deposit. Stay tuned. THANKS BB On Feb 6, 10:03 pm, Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com wrote: I intend to be there and will stay with the masses at the Paddlers. I have no preferencefor the starting point. You know the terrain better than I. I have no preference about the falling waters ( I've seen a lot of FLW, but one more won't hurt either.). Let me know the what when and where of the deposits and I'll make the rest of my plans
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Larry: Here's the plan: First in a nutshell: We ride from Cumberland, MD to Confluence, PA on Day 1 (Sat, Apr 21) which is 62 miles, then Confluence to Connellsville PA on Day 2 (Sun Apr 22) which is only 28 miles, where we get shuttled back to Cumberland (people, bikes and gear). The distance on Day 1 is 62 miles, the first 25 of which are technically uphill, although since this is a former railroad route, the pitch is NOT steep, just gradual, approx 72 feet climb per mile, which ain't too bad. Some may opt to tackle this climb in 2 stages, by arriving in Cumberland earlier on Friday, parking, and departing for Frostburg 16 miles up the trail, where they will spend Friday night. Saturday morning we'll assemble in Cumberland for an early start. I will likely arrive and stay in Cumberland on Friday night, but it's up to you where you stay, as long as you are in Cumberland for the start, (exact time TBD). At some point we'll need to rendezvous with the Frostburg group, depending on where they prefer to meet us; either in Frostburg, or perhaps further up the trail (say at the top of the Divide) if they would prefer to get an early start and ride the final 10 miles of incline at their own pace up to the Divide; either way we will rendezvous. From the top of the Divide we will continue on (nearly 40 miles of decline) to Confluence, where we'll check in to wherever we're staying, then perhaps meet in Confluence for a group dinner. Sunday morning we'll assemble in Confluence for our first leg of the ride to Ohiopyle, where folks can either: take a Fallingwater Tour (approx $25 with bus), hang around Ohiopyle, or continue on to Connellsville. After the tour, we'll continue to Connellsville where our shuttle (back to Cumberland) will meet us. You should expect to be back in Cumberland by approx 5:30 Sunday. I hope that helps. More info contained in this thread, including links to lodging options and parking info. Peace, BB - Depart Cumberland, MD Saturday morning (April 21), ride 62 miles to Confluence PA, where we'll spend the night. - Depart Confluence, PA Sunday morning, ride On Feb 8, 10:24 am, Larry Powers lapower...@hotmail.com wrote: Could you please post the itinerary for this tirp? I have tried to piece it together by looking through the messages but have not been able to do so. I have been planning a DC to Pittsburgh trip on the trails and if I could plan it to overlap with the rally that would be fun. Thanks. Larry Powers Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:05:59 -0800 Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012 From: montclairbob...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com The Paddlers Lane Guest House has 3 queen beds, 8 singles, a sofabed and a sofa, so it will (arguably) sleep 12 comfortably, or 13 with one on the sofa. Below is the list of the first 13 responses (Rusty, I'm trying to keep your group together, I'm happy to take the couch)... we can shift people around if they'd rather move to a BB, but in general any additional folks will need to reserve with one of the several other BBs and Inns available in Confluence. Apologies, you should have no problem finding a suitable place. If you have any unconfirmed friends joining us later and you need to opt out for a different BB, please let me know. And there's camping available at Paddlers Lane for about $7 per person. Riv Rallyer Paddler's Lane Shuttle Falling Water Tour Deposit Needed Bob Birmingham Y Y Y $75 Tom Allingham Y Y Y $75 Hank Allingham Y Y Y $75 Sam Allingham Y Y Y $75 Steve Palincsar Y Y Y $75 Norm Rosenbloom Y Y Y $75 Bruce Oppenheim Y Y Y $75 John Philip Y N Y $55 Andy Philip Y Y Y $75 Tom Nezovich Y N Y $55 Rusty Click Y N N $75 Rusty Guest 1 Y N N $50 Rusty Guest 2 Y N N $75 Mark Irwin N Y Y $25 Total Confirmed
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
It’s increasingly unlikely that I will be able to ride this one, but I wanted to put in my 2 cents about Fallingwater for anyone who’s considering (or not considering) the side trip: Do it. You may have seen other Wright houses and buildings, or Wright and architecture may not be on your radar at all. But I can tell you that Fallingwater is the crown jewel. I can’t imagine anyone not being interested/impressed/awed by the concept, execution, beauty and accomplishment of this house, built during the Depression. I’d say that it’s the second most famous house in America, but some may argue. Were I to ride RivRally East 2012, I might not take the Fallingwater tour, because I’ve toured it about 8 times in the last 35 years. Last time was last June, for a major birthday, when I had a trifecta: Fallingwater, Kentuck Knob and 3 days staying in one of the Wright apprentice houses (Balter House) at Polymath Park, a bit further north in PA. A memorable birthday, which is an understatement to be sure. I will say that the tour is quite structured now, but that is out of necessity because of the volume of visitors. It is still very interesting, the guides are very knowledgeable and I learn something new each time. You won’t be disappointed. Again, thanks to Bobby for organizing this. Looking forward to riding with you all, if not this time, some time. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/yfxZBfU2QkcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
I hope you will be able to join after all, Steve, but if not this year, this rally, maybe next year or another Riv Rally. Let's hope there will be plenty. Fallingwater is not simply a house. It's an extraordinary place... a place that I could spend every day enjoying, let alone a mere hour- long snapshot. One day I dream of building a place for my wife that captures even just a small whiff of the same essence that Fallingwater embodies Hah, I'm dreamin... Bobby On Feb 8, 5:24 pm, islaysteve alkire...@verizon.net wrote: It’s increasingly unlikely that I will be able to ride this one, but I wanted to put in my 2 cents about Fallingwater for anyone who’s considering (or not considering) the side trip: Do it. You may have seen other Wright houses and buildings, or Wright and architecture may not be on your radar at all. But I can tell you that Fallingwater is the crown jewel. I can’t imagine anyone not being interested/impressed/awed by the concept, execution, beauty and accomplishment of this house, built during the Depression. I’d say that it’s the second most famous house in America, but some may argue. Were I to ride RivRally East 2012, I might not take the Fallingwater tour, because I’ve toured it about 8 times in the last 35 years. Last time was last June, for a major birthday, when I had a trifecta: Fallingwater, Kentuck Knob and 3 days staying in one of the Wright apprentice houses (Balter House) at Polymath Park, a bit further north in PA. A memorable birthday, which is an understatement to be sure. I will say that the tour is quite structured now, but that is out of necessity because of the volume of visitors. It is still very interesting, the guides are very knowledgeable and I learn something new each time. You won’t be disappointed. Again, thanks to Bobby for organizing this. Looking forward to riding with you all, if not this time, some time. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
I intend to be there and will stay with the masses at the Paddlers. I have no preferencefor the starting point. You know the terrain better than I. I have no preference about the falling waters ( I've seen a lot of FLW, but one more won't hurt either.). Let me know the what when and where of the deposits and I'll make the rest of my plans. Marc On Jan 26, 10:27 am, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: - As soon as possible, a verbal commitment to attend (and I may request a deposit for the shuttle and lodging (if I book the Paddlers Guest House). Sam Allingham and Tom Allingham are in; one additional rider is a distinct possibility. - A lodging preference, either: A. I would like to stay with the masses in the Paddlers Lane Guest House (if avail), and although I am guaranteed a bed, it may not be a queen bed, we'll draw straws... or B. I would like to make my own lodging arrangements. Option A preferable for us. - A starting point; Cumberland, MD (62 miles to Confluence on Day 1, approx the first 25 miles are gradual uphill) vs Frostburg, MD We'd prefer Cumberland. (47 miles to Confluence on Day 1, approx the first 10 miles are gradual uphill). And for those preferring Frostburg, do you need to A. Park in Frostburg or B. Park in Cumberland and ride to Frostburg ahead of the Rally. - A (Yes/No) vote on a Fallingwater tour - Assuming we shuttle via bus, and take a Noon tour... Figure 1-2 hours total, and will cost approx $20 per person. We'd love to do the Fallingwater side trip -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:58 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012 Shuttle Update: Good news... Wilderness Voyageurs (WV) provided me with what I consider a very reasonable rate for 2 vans (to shuttle approx 25 passengers plus bikes and gear). They have a large rack on top of one van, and a box trailer for the balance of the bikes and gear. The price quote is $415, which translates to roughly $17 per person (if we have 25), or $28 per person (if we have 15), etc... you get the idea. We pay for the vans and trailer, regardless of the number of people. Either way I think that's a very reasonable price (compared to other quotes for large buses). I would like to propose leaving our cars in Cumberland (or optionally Frostburg) and getting shuttled back on Sunday (I will explain why in a moment). WV is located in Ohiopyle. PA just off the trail. As we pass through Ohiopyle on Sunday (Apr 22), we CAN opt to use WV to shuttle us up to Fallingwater, IF folks would like to take a tour. The cost would be $25 per van (from WV HQ), which adds only $2 per person. I have sent in an inquiry to the Fallingwater people requesting a group tour rate (normally $22 individually). We'll see if they can accommodate a group of 25 for the Noon time slot; THEN it's up to us to decide whether we'd like to include this tour or not. Another option would be to have a nice, relaxing lunch in Ohiopyle. I'd like your thoughts, please. Next up will be a decision on lodging and shuttle options. The WV folks made a pretty good case for leaving our cars in Cumberland MD, citing better parking options, and actually by leaving cars in Cumberland, another advantage would be to allow late arrivals on Friday night (or even Saturday morning), by not having to pre-shuttle at a predetermined time. Moreover, we can check in with WV at Ohiopyle on Sunday, and provide a pretty accurate time estimate for when we'll need pickup in Connellsville, which is 17 miles down river. The disadvantage to this is that it tacks on additional time and distance for our friends coming from the North. But Sunday will be a shorter day, and I'd anticipate arriving in Connellsville around 3, putting us back in Cumberland by around 5 PM. For those who would prefer to start in Frostburg (which is 16 miles up trail from Cumberland), this would give you a later start on Sat AM (while you wait for the rally to catch up) and it would spare you 16 miles of additional climbing (albeit at a gradual 1% grade or less). I'm sure we can convince the WV crew to drop people in Frostburg on the way back into Cumberland on Sunday, but they may tack on a small surcharge. Another option for those wishing to start from Frostburg on Saturday would be to arrive in Cumberland during the day on Friday, leaving your car in Cumberland, then riding 16 miles to Frostburg up the climb to a hotel in Frostburg... then you can sleep in on Sat while the rest of us huff and puff our way up to meet you. Finally, for lodging options in Confluence, I would strongly recommend reserving the Paddlers Lane Retreat guest house, which can accommodate at least a dozen, and costs about $425
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Thanks, Marc. We're just about at capacity at the Paddler's Lane, but there are other BBs in town that hopefully will be suitable (see my previous post with links). Something else to consider: CAMPING (by the way) IS an option at Paddler's Lane, if any of you are so inclined. It's inexpensive, they have open lawn to pitch tents, use of the house facilities, and they've built a brand new bath house that they are very proud of (with nice showers and toilets). If the weather cooperates, this could be a nice option. We also are approaching capacity on our first shuttle van (we're at 10, with a capacity of 12). Some riders won't need shuttle service, and instead will be doing the extended out-and-back. But before I commit to a second van, we will need to have at least another 6 riders (for it to be cost-effective). We'll find a way to accommodate everyones' lodging and shuttle needs. I've also booked a van for the Falling Water Tour. That will last approx 2 hours. Those who prefer to opt out of the tour, of course you'll be free to spend the time in Ohiopyle (or to just continue on to Connellsville). So if you're considering joining us for Riv Rally East, PLEASE try to firm up your plans and let me know ASAP. For those who have committed so far, thank you; I'll send out the list of names that I have (this evening), and I will be asking for a deposit. Stay tuned. THANKS BB On Feb 6, 10:03 pm, Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com wrote: I intend to be there and will stay with the masses at the Paddlers. I have no preferencefor the starting point. You know the terrain better than I. I have no preference about the falling waters ( I've seen a lot of FLW, but one more won't hurt either.). Let me know the what when and where of the deposits and I'll make the rest of my plans. Marc On Jan 26, 10:27 am, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: - As soon as possible, a verbal commitment to attend (and I may request a deposit for the shuttle and lodging (if I book the Paddlers Guest House). Sam Allingham and Tom Allingham are in; one additional rider is a distinct possibility. - A lodging preference, either: A. I would like to stay with the masses in the Paddlers Lane Guest House (if avail), and although I am guaranteed a bed, it may not be a queen bed, we'll draw straws... or B. I would like to make my own lodging arrangements. Option A preferable for us. - A starting point; Cumberland, MD (62 miles to Confluence on Day 1, approx the first 25 miles are gradual uphill) vs Frostburg, MD We'd prefer Cumberland. (47 miles to Confluence on Day 1, approx the first 10 miles are gradual uphill). And for those preferring Frostburg, do you need to A. Park in Frostburg or B. Park in Cumberland and ride to Frostburg ahead of the Rally. - A (Yes/No) vote on a Fallingwater tour - Assuming we shuttle via bus, and take a Noon tour... Figure 1-2 hours total, and will cost approx $20 per person. We'd love to do the Fallingwater side trip -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:58 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012 Shuttle Update: Good news... Wilderness Voyageurs (WV) provided me with what I consider a very reasonable rate for 2 vans (to shuttle approx 25 passengers plus bikes and gear). They have a large rack on top of one van, and a box trailer for the balance of the bikes and gear. The price quote is $415, which translates to roughly $17 per person (if we have 25), or $28 per person (if we have 15), etc... you get the idea. We pay for the vans and trailer, regardless of the number of people. Either way I think that's a very reasonable price (compared to other quotes for large buses). I would like to propose leaving our cars in Cumberland (or optionally Frostburg) and getting shuttled back on Sunday (I will explain why in a moment). WV is located in Ohiopyle. PA just off the trail. As we pass through Ohiopyle on Sunday (Apr 22), we CAN opt to use WV to shuttle us up to Fallingwater, IF folks would like to take a tour. The cost would be $25 per van (from WV HQ), which adds only $2 per person. I have sent in an inquiry to the Fallingwater people requesting a group tour rate (normally $22 individually). We'll see if they can accommodate a group of 25 for the Noon time slot; THEN it's up to us to decide whether we'd like to include this tour or not. Another option would be to have a nice, relaxing lunch in Ohiopyle. I'd like your thoughts, please. Next up will be a decision on lodging and shuttle options. The WV folks made a pretty good case for leaving our cars in Cumberland MD, citing better parking options, and actually by leaving cars in Cumberland, another advantage
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
The Paddlers Lane Guest House has 3 queen beds, 8 singles, a sofabed and a sofa, so it will (arguably) sleep 12 comfortably, or 13 with one on the sofa. Below is the list of the first 13 responses (Rusty, I'm trying to keep your group together, I'm happy to take the couch)... we can shift people around if they'd rather move to a BB, but in general any additional folks will need to reserve with one of the several other BBs and Inns available in Confluence. Apologies, you should have no problem finding a suitable place. If you have any unconfirmed friends joining us later and you need to opt out for a different BB, please let me know. And there's camping available at Paddlers Lane for about $7 per person. Riv Rallyer Paddler's LaneShuttle Falling Water Tour Deposit Needed Bob Birmingham Y Y Y $75 Tom Allingham Y Y Y $75 Hank Allingham Y Y Y $75 Sam Allingham Y Y Y $75 Steve Palincsar Y Y Y $75 Norm Rosenbloom Y Y Y $75 Bruce Oppenheim Y Y Y $75 John Philip Y N Y $55 Andy Philip Y Y Y $75 Tom NezovichY N Y $55 Rusty ClickY N N $75 Rusty Guest 1Y N N $50 Rusty Guest 2Y N N $75 Mark Irwin N Y Y $25 Total Confirmed 13 9 11 Any others who care to join us, please confirm when you can. Would you kindly drop me a check in the mail at your convenience. Thanks! Bobby Birmingham 94 Matthews Farm Road Belle Mead, NJ 08502 Peace, BB On Feb 7, 11:58 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Marc. We're just about at capacity at the Paddler's Lane, but there are other BBs in town that hopefully will be suitable (see my previous post with links). Something else to consider: CAMPING (by the way) IS an option at Paddler's Lane, if any of you are so inclined. It's inexpensive, they have open lawn to pitch tents, use of the house facilities, and they've built a brand new bath house that they are very proud of (with nice showers and toilets). If the weather cooperates, this could be a nice option. We also are approaching capacity on our first shuttle van (we're at 10, with a capacity of 12). Some riders won't need shuttle service, and instead will be doing the extended out-and-back. But before I commit to a second van, we will need to have at least another 6 riders (for it to be cost-effective). We'll find a way to accommodate everyones' lodging and shuttle needs. I've also booked a van for the Falling Water Tour. That will last approx 2 hours. Those who prefer to opt out of the tour, of course you'll be free to spend the time in Ohiopyle (or to just continue on to Connellsville). So if you're considering joining us forRivRallyEast, PLEASE try to firm up your plans and let me know ASAP. For those who have committed so far, thank you; I'll send out the list of names that I have (this evening), and I will be asking for a deposit. Stay tuned. THANKS BB On Feb 6, 10:03 pm, Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com wrote: I intend to be there and will stay with the masses at the Paddlers. I have no preferencefor the starting point. You know the terrain better than I. I have no preference about the falling waters ( I've seen a lot of FLW, but one more won't hurt either.). Let me know the what when and where of the deposits and I'll make the rest of my plans. Marc On Jan 26, 10:27 am, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: - As soon as possible, a verbal commitment to attend (and I may request a deposit for the shuttle and lodging (if I book the Paddlers Guest House). Sam Allingham and Tom Allingham are in; one additional rider is a distinct possibility. - A lodging preference, either: A. I would like to stay with the masses in the Paddlers Lane Guest House (if avail), and although I am guaranteed a bed, it may not be a queen bed, we'll draw straws... or B. I would like to make my own lodging arrangements. Option A
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Bobby, This is TOM NEZOVICH, RBW'er from Cleveland. I would like to be included in this year's Riv Rally East I could start in Cumberland or Frostburg. I will be starting from Cumberland in either case. I would like to be included in the Paddlers Lane Retreat guest house accommodation. I will NOT need the shuttles to return to Cumberland. ( I'll be riding back...retired is nice.) I will go to Fallingwater if you need another to fill out a group but I am not planning on it. Tom Nezovich On Jan 25, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Additional Info: Lodging In Cumberland, MD http://www.atatrail.org/tmi/get_amenities_city.cfm?PassCity=CumberlandMap=1 In Frostburg, MD http://www.atatrail.org/tmi/get_amenities_city.cfm?PassCity=FrostburgMap=1 http://www.atatrail.org/docs/frostburgbrochure.pdf In Confluence, PA http://www.atatrail.org/tmi/get_amenities_city.cfm?PassCity=ConfluenceMap=2 http://www.atatrail.org/docs/confluencebrochure.pdf Long Term Parking In Cumberland, MD - Under I68 at Howard St and S. Mechanic St (free long-term parking for CO trail) - At N. Mechanic and Frederick - Public Pay Lot ($4/day?) - Reference: Web Site - http://bikewashington.org/canal/plan-parking.php In Frostburg, MD - Trailhead parking on Depot Street - Reference: Web site - http://www.atatrail.org/docs/frostburgbrochure.pdf In Connellsville, PA - Northern tip of 3rd St, under Hwy 119 - Reference: Web site - http://www.atatrail.org/docs/connellsvillebrochure.pdf Peace, BB On Jan 25, 6:57 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Shuttle Update: Good news... Wilderness Voyageurs (WV) provided me with what I consider a very reasonable rate for 2 vans (to shuttle approx 25 passengers plus bikes and gear). They have a large rack on top of one van, and a box trailer for the balance of the bikes and gear. The price quote is $415, which translates to roughly $17 per person (if we have 25), or $28 per person (if we have 15), etc... you get the idea. We pay for the vans and trailer, regardless of the number of people. Either way I think that's a very reasonable price (compared to other quotes for large buses). I would like to propose leaving our cars in Cumberland (or optionally Frostburg) and getting shuttled back on Sunday (I will explain why in a moment). WV is located in Ohiopyle. PA just off the trail. As we pass through Ohiopyle on Sunday (Apr 22), we CAN opt to use WV to shuttle us up to Fallingwater, IF folks would like to take a tour. The cost would be $25 per van (from WV HQ), which adds only $2 per person. I have sent in an inquiry to the Fallingwater people requesting a group tour rate (normally $22 individually). We'll see if they can accommodate a group of 25 for the Noon time slot; THEN it's up to us to decide whether we'd like to include this tour or not. Another option would be to have a nice, relaxing lunch in Ohiopyle. I'd like your thoughts, please. Next up will be a decision on lodging and shuttle options. The WV folks made a pretty good case for leaving our cars in Cumberland MD, citing better parking options, and actually by leaving cars in Cumberland, another advantage would be to allow late arrivals on Friday night (or even Saturday morning), by not having to pre-shuttle at a predetermined time. Moreover, we can check in with WV at Ohiopyle on Sunday, and provide a pretty accurate time estimate for when we'll need pickup in Connellsville, which is 17 miles down river. The disadvantage to this is that it tacks on additional time and distance for our friends coming from the North. But Sunday will be a shorter day, and I'd anticipate arriving in Connellsville around 3, putting us back in Cumberland by around 5 PM. For those who would prefer to start in Frostburg (which is 16 miles up trail from Cumberland), this would give you a later start on Sat AM (while you wait for the rally to catch up) and it would spare you 16 miles of additional climbing (albeit at a gradual 1% grade or less). I'm sure we can convince the WV crew to drop people in Frostburg on the way back into Cumberland on Sunday, but they may tack on a small surcharge. Another option for those wishing to start from Frostburg on Saturday would be to arrive in Cumberland during the day on Friday, leaving your car in Cumberland, then riding 16 miles to Frostburg up the climb to a hotel in Frostburg... then you can sleep in on Sat while the rest of us huff and puff our way up to meet you. Finally, for lodging options in Confluence, I would strongly recommend reserving the Paddlers Lane Retreat guest house, which can accommodate at least a dozen, and costs about $425 a night (which is a bargain if we fill it). Here's a link to their site -http://www.paddlerslane.com/id9.html. There are other BB accommodations that folks can make on their own, with prices and quality of
RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
- As soon as possible, a verbal commitment to attend (and I may request a deposit for the shuttle and lodging (if I book the Paddlers Guest House). Sam Allingham and Tom Allingham are in; one additional rider is a distinct possibility. - A lodging preference, either: A. I would like to stay with the masses in the Paddlers Lane Guest House (if avail), and although I am guaranteed a bed, it may not be a queen bed, we'll draw straws... or B. I would like to make my own lodging arrangements. Option A preferable for us. - A starting point; Cumberland, MD (62 miles to Confluence on Day 1, approx the first 25 miles are gradual uphill) vs Frostburg, MD We'd prefer Cumberland. (47 miles to Confluence on Day 1, approx the first 10 miles are gradual uphill). And for those preferring Frostburg, do you need to A. Park in Frostburg or B. Park in Cumberland and ride to Frostburg ahead of the Rally. - A (Yes/No) vote on a Fallingwater tour - Assuming we shuttle via bus, and take a Noon tour... Figure 1-2 hours total, and will cost approx $20 per person. We'd love to do the Fallingwater side trip -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:58 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012 Shuttle Update: Good news... Wilderness Voyageurs (WV) provided me with what I consider a very reasonable rate for 2 vans (to shuttle approx 25 passengers plus bikes and gear). They have a large rack on top of one van, and a box trailer for the balance of the bikes and gear. The price quote is $415, which translates to roughly $17 per person (if we have 25), or $28 per person (if we have 15), etc... you get the idea. We pay for the vans and trailer, regardless of the number of people. Either way I think that's a very reasonable price (compared to other quotes for large buses). I would like to propose leaving our cars in Cumberland (or optionally Frostburg) and getting shuttled back on Sunday (I will explain why in a moment). WV is located in Ohiopyle. PA just off the trail. As we pass through Ohiopyle on Sunday (Apr 22), we CAN opt to use WV to shuttle us up to Fallingwater, IF folks would like to take a tour. The cost would be $25 per van (from WV HQ), which adds only $2 per person. I have sent in an inquiry to the Fallingwater people requesting a group tour rate (normally $22 individually). We'll see if they can accommodate a group of 25 for the Noon time slot; THEN it's up to us to decide whether we'd like to include this tour or not. Another option would be to have a nice, relaxing lunch in Ohiopyle. I'd like your thoughts, please. Next up will be a decision on lodging and shuttle options. The WV folks made a pretty good case for leaving our cars in Cumberland MD, citing better parking options, and actually by leaving cars in Cumberland, another advantage would be to allow late arrivals on Friday night (or even Saturday morning), by not having to pre-shuttle at a predetermined time. Moreover, we can check in with WV at Ohiopyle on Sunday, and provide a pretty accurate time estimate for when we'll need pickup in Connellsville, which is 17 miles down river. The disadvantage to this is that it tacks on additional time and distance for our friends coming from the North. But Sunday will be a shorter day, and I'd anticipate arriving in Connellsville around 3, putting us back in Cumberland by around 5 PM. For those who would prefer to start in Frostburg (which is 16 miles up trail from Cumberland), this would give you a later start on Sat AM (while you wait for the rally to catch up) and it would spare you 16 miles of additional climbing (albeit at a gradual 1% grade or less). I'm sure we can convince the WV crew to drop people in Frostburg on the way back into Cumberland on Sunday, but they may tack on a small surcharge. Another option for those wishing to start from Frostburg on Saturday would be to arrive in Cumberland during the day on Friday, leaving your car in Cumberland, then riding 16 miles to Frostburg up the climb to a hotel in Frostburg... then you can sleep in on Sat while the rest of us huff and puff our way up to meet you. Finally, for lodging options in Confluence, I would strongly recommend reserving the Paddlers Lane Retreat guest house, which can accommodate at least a dozen, and costs about $425 a night (which is a bargain if we fill it). Here's a link to their site - http://www.paddlerslane.com/id9.html. There are other BB accommodations that folks can make on their own, with prices and quality of accommodations varying; Here's the link to Google maps that lists and shows where these lodging choices are: http://tinyurl.com/6wj6bgq You can decide. SO WHAT I AM ASKING FROM THOSE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING RIV RALLY EAST 2012 INCLUDES: - As soon as possible, a verbal commitment to attend
RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Another committed: 3 Allinghams total -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:58 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012 Shuttle Update: Good news... Wilderness Voyageurs (WV) provided me with what I consider a very reasonable rate for 2 vans (to shuttle approx 25 passengers plus bikes and gear). They have a large rack on top of one van, and a box trailer for the balance of the bikes and gear. The price quote is $415, which translates to roughly $17 per person (if we have 25), or $28 per person (if we have 15), etc... you get the idea. We pay for the vans and trailer, regardless of the number of people. Either way I think that's a very reasonable price (compared to other quotes for large buses). I would like to propose leaving our cars in Cumberland (or optionally Frostburg) and getting shuttled back on Sunday (I will explain why in a moment). WV is located in Ohiopyle. PA just off the trail. As we pass through Ohiopyle on Sunday (Apr 22), we CAN opt to use WV to shuttle us up to Fallingwater, IF folks would like to take a tour. The cost would be $25 per van (from WV HQ), which adds only $2 per person. I have sent in an inquiry to the Fallingwater people requesting a group tour rate (normally $22 individually). We'll see if they can accommodate a group of 25 for the Noon time slot; THEN it's up to us to decide whether we'd like to include this tour or not. Another option would be to have a nice, relaxing lunch in Ohiopyle. I'd like your thoughts, please. Next up will be a decision on lodging and shuttle options. The WV folks made a pretty good case for leaving our cars in Cumberland MD, citing better parking options, and actually by leaving cars in Cumberland, another advantage would be to allow late arrivals on Friday night (or even Saturday morning), by not having to pre-shuttle at a predetermined time. Moreover, we can check in with WV at Ohiopyle on Sunday, and provide a pretty accurate time estimate for when we'll need pickup in Connellsville, which is 17 miles down river. The disadvantage to this is that it tacks on additional time and distance for our friends coming from the North. But Sunday will be a shorter day, and I'd anticipate arriving in Connellsville around 3, putting us back in Cumberland by around 5 PM. For those who would prefer to start in Frostburg (which is 16 miles up trail from Cumberland), this would give you a later start on Sat AM (while you wait for the rally to catch up) and it would spare you 16 miles of additional climbing (albeit at a gradual 1% grade or less). I'm sure we can convince the WV crew to drop people in Frostburg on the way back into Cumberland on Sunday, but they may tack on a small surcharge. Another option for those wishing to start from Frostburg on Saturday would be to arrive in Cumberland during the day on Friday, leaving your car in Cumberland, then riding 16 miles to Frostburg up the climb to a hotel in Frostburg... then you can sleep in on Sat while the rest of us huff and puff our way up to meet you. Finally, for lodging options in Confluence, I would strongly recommend reserving the Paddlers Lane Retreat guest house, which can accommodate at least a dozen, and costs about $425 a night (which is a bargain if we fill it). Here's a link to their site - http://www.paddlerslane.com/id9.html. There are other BB accommodations that folks can make on their own, with prices and quality of accommodations varying; Here's the link to Google maps that lists and shows where these lodging choices are: http://tinyurl.com/6wj6bgq You can decide. SO WHAT I AM ASKING FROM THOSE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING RIV RALLY EAST 2012 INCLUDES: - As soon as possible, a verbal commitment to attend (and I may request a deposit for the shuttle and lodging (if I book the Paddlers Guest House). - A lodging preference, either: A. I would like to stay with the masses in the Paddlers Lane Guest House (if avail), and although I am guaranteed a bed, it may not be a queen bed, we'll draw straws... or B. I would like to make my own lodging arrangements. - Preferred starting point; Cumberland, MD (62 miles to Confluence on Day 1, approx the first 25 miles are gradual uphill) vs Frostburg, MD (47 miles to Confluence on Day 1, approx the first 10 miles are gradual uphill). And for those preferring Frostburg, do you need to A. Park in Frostburg or B. Park in Cumberland and ride to Frostburg ahead of the Rally. - A (Yes/No) vote on a Fallingwater tour - Assuming we shuttle via bus, and take a Noon tour... Figure 1-2 hours total, and will cost approx $20 per person. Thanks, this information will greatly help me plan the logistics. Later this evening I will provide a list of available hotel choices for Cumberland and Frostburg, which folks can opt to stay at Friday
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Bobby, With the updates, are the mileage estimates still valid for day 1 and day 2? I'm just trying to plan and have a think about whether i can handle the distance, especially coming out of winter hibernation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Minh: The GAP Trail web site has lots of great info... check it out - http://www.atatrail.org/ The mileage chart on the site indicates it's a total of 62 miles on Day 1 from Cumberland to Confluence, or 47 miles from Frostburg to Confluence. The elevation chart indicates from Cumberland to the Continental Divide is roughly 1800 feet of climb over 25 miles. (Don't be dissuaded by the steepness of the terrain on the graph; the elevation gain really averages out to only roughly 72 feet per mile, and the grade gets no worse than 1.5% at any point. While it is technically uphill, this is not Alpe d'Huez by any stretch of the imagination). I hope you'll consider joining, whether from Cumberland, or you'll have the option to start from Frostburg and rendezvous with the Cumberland Rallyers. No rider will be left behind, and this will be a steady but leisurely, fun pace, I promise. Also, I hereby declare Winter as OVER... please come out of hibernation immediately. Peace, Bobby On Jan 26, 2:13 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: Bobby, With the updates, are the mileage estimates still valid for day 1 and day 2? I'm just trying to plan and have a think about whether i can handle the distance, especially coming out of winter hibernation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Side Note: We (group of 5 cyclists) stayed in the Paddler's Lane guest house in 2006. It was great. Highly Recommended. Thanks, Sean --- On Thu, 1/26/12, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: From: Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012 To: 'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com' rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: 'MontclairBobbyB' montclairbob...@gmail.com Date: Thursday, January 26, 2012, 10:27 AM - As soon as possible, a verbal commitment to attend (and I may request a deposit for the shuttle and lodging (if I book the Paddlers Guest House). Sam Allingham and Tom Allingham are in; one additional rider is a distinct possibility. - A lodging preference, either: A. I would like to stay with the masses in the Paddlers Lane Guest House (if avail), and although I am guaranteed a bed, it may not be a queen bed, we'll draw straws... or B. I would like to make my own lodging arrangements. Option A preferable for us. - A starting point; Cumberland, MD (62 miles to Confluence on Day 1, approx the first 25 miles are gradual uphill) vs Frostburg, MD We'd prefer Cumberland. (47 miles to Confluence on Day 1, approx the first 10 miles are gradual uphill). And for those preferring Frostburg, do you need to A. Park in Frostburg or B. Park in Cumberland and ride to Frostburg ahead of the Rally. - A (Yes/No) vote on a Fallingwater tour - Assuming we shuttle via bus, and take a Noon tour... Figure 1-2 hours total, and will cost approx $20 per person. We'd love to do the Fallingwater side trip -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:58 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012 Shuttle Update: Good news... Wilderness Voyageurs (WV) provided me with what I consider a very reasonable rate for 2 vans (to shuttle approx 25 passengers plus bikes and gear). They have a large rack on top of one van, and a box trailer for the balance of the bikes and gear. The price quote is $415, which translates to roughly $17 per person (if we have 25), or $28 per person (if we have 15), etc... you get the idea. We pay for the vans and trailer, regardless of the number of people. Either way I think that's a very reasonable price (compared to other quotes for large buses). I would like to propose leaving our cars in Cumberland (or optionally Frostburg) and getting shuttled back on Sunday (I will explain why in a moment). WV is located in Ohiopyle. PA just off the trail. As we pass through Ohiopyle on Sunday (Apr 22), we CAN opt to use WV to shuttle us up to Fallingwater, IF folks would like to take a tour. The cost would be $25 per van (from WV HQ), which adds only $2 per person. I have sent in an inquiry to the Fallingwater people requesting a group tour rate (normally $22 individually). We'll see if they can accommodate a group of 25 for the Noon time slot; THEN it's up to us to decide whether we'd like to include this tour or not. Another option would be to have a nice, relaxing lunch in Ohiopyle. I'd like your thoughts, please. Next up will be a decision on lodging and shuttle options. The WV folks made a pretty good case for leaving our cars in Cumberland MD, citing better parking options, and actually by leaving cars in Cumberland, another advantage would be to allow late arrivals on Friday night (or even Saturday morning), by not having to pre-shuttle at a predetermined time. Moreover, we can check in with WV at Ohiopyle on Sunday, and provide a pretty accurate time estimate for when we'll need pickup in Connellsville, which is 17 miles down river. The disadvantage to this is that it tacks on additional time and distance for our friends coming from the North. But Sunday will be a shorter day, and I'd anticipate arriving in Connellsville around 3, putting us back in Cumberland by around 5 PM. For those who would prefer to start in Frostburg (which is 16 miles up trail from Cumberland), this would give you a later start on Sat AM (while you wait for the rally to catch up) and it would spare you 16 miles of additional climbing (albeit at a gradual 1% grade or less). I'm sure we can convince the WV crew to drop people in Frostburg on the way back into Cumberland on Sunday, but they may tack on a small surcharge. Another option for those wishing to start from Frostburg on Saturday would be to arrive in Cumberland during the day on Friday, leaving your car in Cumberland, then riding 16 miles to Frostburg up the climb to a hotel in Frostburg... then you can sleep in on Sat while the rest of us huff and puff our way up to meet you. Finally, for lodging options in Confluence, I would strongly recommend reserving the Paddlers Lane Retreat guest house, which can accommodate at least a dozen, and costs about $425
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Shuttle Update: Good news... Wilderness Voyageurs (WV) provided me with what I consider a very reasonable rate for 2 vans (to shuttle approx 25 passengers plus bikes and gear). They have a large rack on top of one van, and a box trailer for the balance of the bikes and gear. The price quote is $415, which translates to roughly $17 per person (if we have 25), or $28 per person (if we have 15), etc... you get the idea. We pay for the vans and trailer, regardless of the number of people. Either way I think that's a very reasonable price (compared to other quotes for large buses). I would like to propose leaving our cars in Cumberland (or optionally Frostburg) and getting shuttled back on Sunday (I will explain why in a moment). WV is located in Ohiopyle. PA just off the trail. As we pass through Ohiopyle on Sunday (Apr 22), we CAN opt to use WV to shuttle us up to Fallingwater, IF folks would like to take a tour. The cost would be $25 per van (from WV HQ), which adds only $2 per person. I have sent in an inquiry to the Fallingwater people requesting a group tour rate (normally $22 individually). We'll see if they can accommodate a group of 25 for the Noon time slot; THEN it's up to us to decide whether we'd like to include this tour or not. Another option would be to have a nice, relaxing lunch in Ohiopyle. I'd like your thoughts, please. Next up will be a decision on lodging and shuttle options. The WV folks made a pretty good case for leaving our cars in Cumberland MD, citing better parking options, and actually by leaving cars in Cumberland, another advantage would be to allow late arrivals on Friday night (or even Saturday morning), by not having to pre-shuttle at a predetermined time. Moreover, we can check in with WV at Ohiopyle on Sunday, and provide a pretty accurate time estimate for when we'll need pickup in Connellsville, which is 17 miles down river. The disadvantage to this is that it tacks on additional time and distance for our friends coming from the North. But Sunday will be a shorter day, and I'd anticipate arriving in Connellsville around 3, putting us back in Cumberland by around 5 PM. For those who would prefer to start in Frostburg (which is 16 miles up trail from Cumberland), this would give you a later start on Sat AM (while you wait for the rally to catch up) and it would spare you 16 miles of additional climbing (albeit at a gradual 1% grade or less). I'm sure we can convince the WV crew to drop people in Frostburg on the way back into Cumberland on Sunday, but they may tack on a small surcharge. Another option for those wishing to start from Frostburg on Saturday would be to arrive in Cumberland during the day on Friday, leaving your car in Cumberland, then riding 16 miles to Frostburg up the climb to a hotel in Frostburg... then you can sleep in on Sat while the rest of us huff and puff our way up to meet you. Finally, for lodging options in Confluence, I would strongly recommend reserving the Paddlers Lane Retreat guest house, which can accommodate at least a dozen, and costs about $425 a night (which is a bargain if we fill it). Here's a link to their site - http://www.paddlerslane.com/id9.html. There are other BB accommodations that folks can make on their own, with prices and quality of accommodations varying; Here's the link to Google maps that lists and shows where these lodging choices are: http://tinyurl.com/6wj6bgq You can decide. SO WHAT I AM ASKING FROM THOSE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING RIV RALLY EAST 2012 INCLUDES: - As soon as possible, a verbal commitment to attend (and I may request a deposit for the shuttle and lodging (if I book the Paddlers Guest House). - A lodging preference, either: A. I would like to stay with the masses in the Paddlers Lane Guest House (if avail), and although I am guaranteed a bed, it may not be a queen bed, we'll draw straws... or B. I would like to make my own lodging arrangements. - Preferred starting point; Cumberland, MD (62 miles to Confluence on Day 1, approx the first 25 miles are gradual uphill) vs Frostburg, MD (47 miles to Confluence on Day 1, approx the first 10 miles are gradual uphill). And for those preferring Frostburg, do you need to A. Park in Frostburg or B. Park in Cumberland and ride to Frostburg ahead of the Rally. - A (Yes/No) vote on a Fallingwater tour - Assuming we shuttle via bus, and take a Noon tour... Figure 1-2 hours total, and will cost approx $20 per person. Thanks, this information will greatly help me plan the logistics. Later this evening I will provide a list of available hotel choices for Cumberland and Frostburg, which folks can opt to stay at Friday evening, or choose a hotel outside of the area, your choice, and you can make those arrangements on your own. If you have any questions, feel free to call me on my cell (908) 303-6887 or email me at montclairbob...@gmail.com Thanks, BB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Additional Info: Lodging In Cumberland, MD http://www.atatrail.org/tmi/get_amenities_city.cfm?PassCity=CumberlandMap=1 In Frostburg, MD http://www.atatrail.org/tmi/get_amenities_city.cfm?PassCity=FrostburgMap=1 http://www.atatrail.org/docs/frostburgbrochure.pdf In Confluence, PA http://www.atatrail.org/tmi/get_amenities_city.cfm?PassCity=ConfluenceMap=2 http://www.atatrail.org/docs/confluencebrochure.pdf Long Term Parking In Cumberland, MD - Under I68 at Howard St and S. Mechanic St (free long-term parking for CO trail) - At N. Mechanic and Frederick - Public Pay Lot ($4/day?) - Reference: Web Site - http://bikewashington.org/canal/plan-parking.php In Frostburg, MD - Trailhead parking on Depot Street - Reference: Web site - http://www.atatrail.org/docs/frostburgbrochure.pdf In Connellsville, PA - Northern tip of 3rd St, under Hwy 119 - Reference: Web site - http://www.atatrail.org/docs/connellsvillebrochure.pdf Peace, BB On Jan 25, 6:57 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Shuttle Update: Good news... Wilderness Voyageurs (WV) provided me with what I consider a very reasonable rate for 2 vans (to shuttle approx 25 passengers plus bikes and gear). They have a large rack on top of one van, and a box trailer for the balance of the bikes and gear. The price quote is $415, which translates to roughly $17 per person (if we have 25), or $28 per person (if we have 15), etc... you get the idea. We pay for the vans and trailer, regardless of the number of people. Either way I think that's a very reasonable price (compared to other quotes for large buses). I would like to propose leaving our cars in Cumberland (or optionally Frostburg) and getting shuttled back on Sunday (I will explain why in a moment). WV is located in Ohiopyle. PA just off the trail. As we pass through Ohiopyle on Sunday (Apr 22), we CAN opt to use WV to shuttle us up to Fallingwater, IF folks would like to take a tour. The cost would be $25 per van (from WV HQ), which adds only $2 per person. I have sent in an inquiry to the Fallingwater people requesting a group tour rate (normally $22 individually). We'll see if they can accommodate a group of 25 for the Noon time slot; THEN it's up to us to decide whether we'd like to include this tour or not. Another option would be to have a nice, relaxing lunch in Ohiopyle. I'd like your thoughts, please. Next up will be a decision on lodging and shuttle options. The WV folks made a pretty good case for leaving our cars in Cumberland MD, citing better parking options, and actually by leaving cars in Cumberland, another advantage would be to allow late arrivals on Friday night (or even Saturday morning), by not having to pre-shuttle at a predetermined time. Moreover, we can check in with WV at Ohiopyle on Sunday, and provide a pretty accurate time estimate for when we'll need pickup in Connellsville, which is 17 miles down river. The disadvantage to this is that it tacks on additional time and distance for our friends coming from the North. But Sunday will be a shorter day, and I'd anticipate arriving in Connellsville around 3, putting us back in Cumberland by around 5 PM. For those who would prefer to start in Frostburg (which is 16 miles up trail from Cumberland), this would give you a later start on Sat AM (while you wait for the rally to catch up) and it would spare you 16 miles of additional climbing (albeit at a gradual 1% grade or less). I'm sure we can convince the WV crew to drop people in Frostburg on the way back into Cumberland on Sunday, but they may tack on a small surcharge. Another option for those wishing to start from Frostburg on Saturday would be to arrive in Cumberland during the day on Friday, leaving your car in Cumberland, then riding 16 miles to Frostburg up the climb to a hotel in Frostburg... then you can sleep in on Sat while the rest of us huff and puff our way up to meet you. Finally, for lodging options in Confluence, I would strongly recommend reserving the Paddlers Lane Retreat guest house, which can accommodate at least a dozen, and costs about $425 a night (which is a bargain if we fill it). Here's a link to their site -http://www.paddlerslane.com/id9.html. There are other BB accommodations that folks can make on their own, with prices and quality of accommodations varying; Here's the link to Google maps that lists and shows where these lodging choices are:http://tinyurl.com/6wj6bgq You can decide. SO WHAT I AM ASKING FROM THOSE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING RIV RALLY EAST 2012 INCLUDES: - As soon as possible, a verbal commitment to attend (and I may request a deposit for the shuttle and lodging (if I book the Paddlers Guest House). - A lodging preference, either: A. I would like to stay with the masses in the Paddlers Lane Guest House (if avail), and although I am guaranteed a bed, it may not be a queen bed, we'll draw straws... or B. I would like to make
RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
That climb might affect bike choice, though -- probably push me away from my current thinking that I might do the ride on my QB (as my son Sam was, as well). But we'll make it work, whatever the decision is. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:43 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012 I'm waiting on several shuttle services to respond to my requests. Only one has gotten back to me, and they require that we rent an entire bus... Unless we have 40 people it may not be practical. One option I'm considering will be to start in Cumberland, MD, booking a hotel close to the Cumberland Amtrak station for Friday night (as long as I can leave my bike and gear in my hotel room or some other secure place). The Capitol Limited runs daily from Connellsville to Cumberland (at 6:30 AM!!!). We could drive our cars up to Connellsville early on Saturday, park them and hop the Capitol Limited back to Cumberland, where we would check out and ride to the trail. That's a $17 solution (plus a few hours of lost sleep)... It also makes for a slightly later start on Saturday morning, and adds 16 miles of uphill from Cumberland... no big deal, right?? BB On Jan 20, 5:16 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 12:43 -0500, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote: Steve: Would Jack Brown Greens (the lighter weight version) be okay on the trail, or do I (ideally, anyway) need something fatter and sturdier? Many people think 33.33mm wide tires are plenty fat for seriously bad gravel roads like those on the Deerfield Dirt Road Randonnee - which is far rougher than the surface of the GAP. All crushed limestone is not created equal. I was on the Greenbrier Trail in West Virginia, also paved with crushed limestone, last summer (finished up on Earthquake Day). There, the top surface - maybe 1/2 inch or so - is loose, with a firm bottom under that. You get up out of the saddle and whoopsie! the rear end acts like it's on ball bearings. Nothing at all like that on the GAP. There, at least when I was there, the surface is solid all the way from top to bottom. In other words, you don't sink in much so wide floation's not so critical. On the final stretch from Frostburg to Cumberland, the steep part, we saw a couple of roadies on 23mm racing tires heading up towards Frostburg. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Bobby, Yes, so many options. Thanks again for all the time and organizing you're putting into this ride. I too was thinking about options and wondering if I could do something along the lines of your third choice (people doing the shuttle with a combination of vehicles). Anyway, I'm hoping for the best solution, one that's close to the original plan. Cheers, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/shFtAawRkBAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Bobby I was discussing the logistics with my wife this morning and she came up with a suggestion (sorry if you've already thought of this): What about renting a one-way U-haul truck from Connellville to Frostburg or Cumberland? It would only require one of the riders (or two) to drive it back to the starting point. According to the U-haul site, it's about $80 for a truck large enough, including mileage (that's to Frostburg). Anyway, I know it doesn't solve all of the problems, but it sort of takes the bike part out of the equation. Anyway, good luck and thanks again. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/feQo14LP9UsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Bobby, Logistics is an issue. It's still early for me and I've only had my first cup of coffee My friend and I camped the entire route except one nasty rainy night where we found a bunk house and spent the night. Nice primitive campgrounds along the way. Wonder if we can work this into a scenario - rent a U haul truck one way. Start in Connellsville ride to Cumberland. Rent a one way truck at the end (Cumberland) pile all the bikes, gear and people in the truck and drive back to the start. It's kind of a crazy and I'm not sure the legality... OR I will need Rick to commit or grab another friend for this one... We meet in Cumberland, rent a round trip passenger van. Once everyone is in town, leave the bikes and gear in Cumberland and everyone drives to Connellsville to leave their cars. Jump back in the van and return to Cumberland, return van. Start the ride the next day. Regards, Bruce On Jan 12, 11:24 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, it's a new year, and I'm starting to get excited about Riv Rally East 2012. Here's the quick skinny on this year's plan (so far): This year I'm planning the 2-day Rally to ride along the Great Allegheny Passage, from Frostburg, MD to Connellsville, PA. To get you psyched up, here are a few links: http://www.atatrail.org/index.cfmhttp://www.flickr.com/groups/great_allegheny_passage/ This beautiful stretch of the GAP trail takes you through long mountain tunnels, over high viaducts, though beautiful country along 2 scenic rivers (including through the Youghigheny River Gorge). The plan is to converge in Frostburg, MD on Friday evening, Apr 20th, and ride to Confluence, PA (47 miles of mostly smooth downhill to the North) on Saturday, where we will enjoy a nice dinner and comfy bed (although there is camping nearby for the hardcore). Sunday we will roll into Ohiopyle, PA, home of the famous Youghigheny Gorge, where we may take an an optional short excursion out of town to visit the famous Frank Lloyd Wright house, FallingWater (a trip WELL WORTH taking). We will finish day off in Connellsville, PA, where I am making arrangements to shuttle ourselves, bike and gear back to Frostburg. This will be a self-supported, credit card type of tour, which means that unless you have a buddy, spouse or otherwise hired person to meet you in Confluence PA on the first evening, you'll need to carry a change of clothes, toothbrush and other essentials to get you through 2 days of riding. A small duffle on a rack shoud suffice, or go all out with front and rear panniers... up to you. Me, I hope to toss a duffle in my big Wald basket... that's how I like to roll.. I have put out inquiries on shuttles and lodging; more on that shortly. In the mean time, if you are interested, please let me know. We had a fair amount of interest early on for the 2011 Rally, but quite a few dropped off. I hope we can get the same crew from 2011 returning this year, along with a few of you who couldn't make it last year. To our West Coast buddies, I'll bet we could get a few loaner bikes if any of you would care to join us... We'd love to have you. So mark the calendars, April 20-22. Peace, BobbyB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Steve: Would Jack Brown Greens (the lighter weight version) be okay on the trail, or do I (ideally, anyway) need something fatter and sturdier? Tom -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Palincsar Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:05 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012 On Sun, 2012-01-15 at 14:54 -0800, islaysteve wrote: Since I took the time to explore the links that Bobby provided, I've answered most of my questions: It looks like a moderate climb out of Frostburg for 10+ miles to the Eastern Continental Divide (cool), and then moderate downhill all the way. Pretty good for an out-of-shape geezer like me. The GAP looks incredible and I'd really like to ride it; if not on this trip, in the future. If I decide to join, I will be riding my Bleriot fitted with Pari-Motos. I assume that this would be sufficient? It would be perfect. The GAP is a crushed limestone surface, very well packed, no loose top layer at all, and great drainage. It rained for 2 days when I was on it, and had rained heavily for days before we got there, and we saw 1 puddle for the entire distance from McKeesport to Cumberland. I would also still be interested in any details of the ride, especially the first day. Also, I'm not sure how the second day with possible side trip to Fallingwater would work, but most likely I would sit out that side trip. Thanks for planning this Bobby. Cheers, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4wyBW-akG18J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch +unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
I have ridden this portion of the trail on Panaracer Pasela 32s Non-TG and was just fine. 5 of us rode from Pittsburgh to DC in 5 days and had nary a flat among us. Tires ranged from 28mm touring tires to lightweight Vittoria Cyclocross tires. I think you'll be fine. Cheers, Sean --- On Fri, 1/20/12, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: From: Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012 To: 'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com' rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 12:43 PM Steve: Would Jack Brown Greens (the lighter weight version) be okay on the trail, or do I (ideally, anyway) need something fatter and sturdier? Tom -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Palincsar Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:05 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012 On Sun, 2012-01-15 at 14:54 -0800, islaysteve wrote: Since I took the time to explore the links that Bobby provided, I've answered most of my questions: It looks like a moderate climb out of Frostburg for 10+ miles to the Eastern Continental Divide (cool), and then moderate downhill all the way. Pretty good for an out-of-shape geezer like me. The GAP looks incredible and I'd really like to ride it; if not on this trip, in the future. If I decide to join, I will be riding my Bleriot fitted with Pari-Motos. I assume that this would be sufficient? It would be perfect. The GAP is a crushed limestone surface, very well packed, no loose top layer at all, and great drainage. It rained for 2 days when I was on it, and had rained heavily for days before we got there, and we saw 1 puddle for the entire distance from McKeesport to Cumberland. I would also still be interested in any details of the ride, especially the first day. Also, I'm not sure how the second day with possible side trip to Fallingwater would work, but most likely I would sit out that side trip. Thanks for planning this Bobby. Cheers, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4wyBW-akG18J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch +unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
The JB Greens work great on gravel and crushed limestone of the type Steve P described. No promises that you won't get a flat or six, but I never flatted them riding around Minneapolis several hundred miles last summer...until I went out to Oregon and flatted numerous times on thorns. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/iVkmC99PB5AJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 12:03 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: The JB Greens work great on gravel and crushed limestone of the type Steve P described. No promises that you won't get a flat or six, but I never flatted them riding around Minneapolis several hundred miles last summer...until I went out to Oregon and flatted numerous times on thorns. In my group, I was the only one to have a flat - on a CdlV - and that, I think, was a fluke. The GAP surface isn't sharp. There's a GAP flickr group pool http://www.flickr.com/groups/great_allegheny_passage/pool/show/ with over 2,000 photos. You can get a good idea of what the surface looks like viewing the slide show. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 12:43 -0500, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote: Steve: Would Jack Brown Greens (the lighter weight version) be okay on the trail, or do I (ideally, anyway) need something fatter and sturdier? Many people think 33.33mm wide tires are plenty fat for seriously bad gravel roads like those on the Deerfield Dirt Road Randonnee - which is far rougher than the surface of the GAP. All crushed limestone is not created equal. I was on the Greenbrier Trail in West Virginia, also paved with crushed limestone, last summer (finished up on Earthquake Day). There, the top surface - maybe 1/2 inch or so - is loose, with a firm bottom under that. You get up out of the saddle and whoopsie! the rear end acts like it's on ball bearings. Nothing at all like that on the GAP. There, at least when I was there, the surface is solid all the way from top to bottom. In other words, you don't sink in much so wide floation's not so critical. On the final stretch from Frostburg to Cumberland, the steep part, we saw a couple of roadies on 23mm racing tires heading up towards Frostburg. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
I'm waiting on several shuttle services to respond to my requests. Only one has gotten back to me, and they require that we rent an entire bus... Unless we have 40 people it may not be practical. One option I'm considering will be to start in Cumberland, MD, booking a hotel close to the Cumberland Amtrak station for Friday night (as long as I can leave my bike and gear in my hotel room or some other secure place). The Capitol Limited runs daily from Connellsville to Cumberland (at 6:30 AM!!!). We could drive our cars up to Connellsville early on Saturday, park them and hop the Capitol Limited back to Cumberland, where we would check out and ride to the trail. That's a $17 solution (plus a few hours of lost sleep)... It also makes for a slightly later start on Saturday morning, and adds 16 miles of uphill from Cumberland... no big deal, right?? BB On Jan 20, 5:16 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 12:43 -0500, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote: Steve: Would Jack Brown Greens (the lighter weight version) be okay on the trail, or do I (ideally, anyway) need something fatter and sturdier? Many people think 33.33mm wide tires are plenty fat for seriously bad gravel roads like those on the Deerfield Dirt Road Randonnee - which is far rougher than the surface of the GAP. All crushed limestone is not created equal. I was on the Greenbrier Trail in West Virginia, also paved with crushed limestone, last summer (finished up on Earthquake Day). There, the top surface - maybe 1/2 inch or so - is loose, with a firm bottom under that. You get up out of the saddle and whoopsie! the rear end acts like it's on ball bearings. Nothing at all like that on the GAP. There, at least when I was there, the surface is solid all the way from top to bottom. In other words, you don't sink in much so wide floation's not so critical. On the final stretch from Frostburg to Cumberland, the steep part, we saw a couple of roadies on 23mm racing tires heading up towards Frostburg. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
The early hour and drive I could do, extra uphill maybe. But I need to get in a bit of shape before then. I know that sounds sorry. Would prefer another solution if possible. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Ao-jgvJfPeEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Steve: That's the fallback option... The first choice would be for Amtrak to get their sh** together and allow roll-on/roll-off for bikes (but I won't hold my breath) Second choice would be to get a shuttle service to transport people and bikes between the finish and the start (which I'm working on) Third choice might be for people to use multiple vehicles to shuttle themselves (if the first 2 options don't materialize) And then there's another variation of the last choice: do it a day early. In other words, get a hotel for Thursday night in Cumberland, do the car-shuttle-train thing Friday morning, then spend the entire day (Friday) taking your time, riding the climb at a leisurely pace, spend the night in Frostburg and meet up with everyone Sat morning. That might be a nice warmup ride. I have also checked into bus service between Connellsville and Cumberland, but I haven't found anything yet. That would be ideal, especially if the bus operator would allow bikes unboxed in the cargo area; you could drop your car in C'ville and shuttle down to C'land. Boy, so many options... Peace, BB On Jan 20, 7:49 pm, islaysteve alkire...@verizon.net wrote: The early hour and drive I could do, extra uphill maybe. But I need to get in a bit of shape before then. I know that sounds sorry. Would prefer another solution if possible. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
I'm putting this on the calendar now! New to Riv, and looking forward to a local(I'm from Pittsburgh), ride. I'll follow this link for updates. Anyone from the Pittsburgh area planning to join? We can head down together. Rusty On Jan 12, 11:24 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, it's a new year, and I'm starting to get excited about Riv Rally East 2012. Here's the quick skinny on this year's plan (so far): This year I'm planning the 2-day Rally to ride along the Great Allegheny Passage, from Frostburg, MD to Connellsville, PA. To get you psyched up, here are a few links: http://www.atatrail.org/index.cfmhttp://www.flickr.com/groups/great_allegheny_passage/ This beautiful stretch of the GAP trail takes you through long mountain tunnels, over high viaducts, though beautiful country along 2 scenic rivers (including through the Youghigheny River Gorge). The plan is to converge in Frostburg, MD on Friday evening, Apr 20th, and ride to Confluence, PA (47 miles of mostly smooth downhill to the North) on Saturday, where we will enjoy a nice dinner and comfy bed (although there is camping nearby for the hardcore). Sunday we will roll into Ohiopyle, PA, home of the famous Youghigheny Gorge, where we may take an an optional short excursion out of town to visit the famous Frank Lloyd Wright house, FallingWater (a trip WELL WORTH taking). We will finish day off in Connellsville, PA, where I am making arrangements to shuttle ourselves, bike and gear back to Frostburg. This will be a self-supported, credit card type of tour, which means that unless you have a buddy, spouse or otherwise hired person to meet you in Confluence PA on the first evening, you'll need to carry a change of clothes, toothbrush and other essentials to get you through 2 days of riding. A small duffle on a rack shoud suffice, or go all out with front and rear panniers... up to you. Me, I hope to toss a duffle in my big Wald basket... that's how I like to roll.. I have put out inquiries on shuttles and lodging; more on that shortly. In the mean time, if you are interested, please let me know. We had a fair amount of interest early on for the 2011 Rally, but quite a few dropped off. I hope we can get the same crew from 2011 returning this year, along with a few of you who couldn't make it last year. To our West Coast buddies, I'll bet we could get a few loaner bikes if any of you would care to join us... We'd love to have you. So mark the calendars, April 20-22. Peace, BobbyB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Bobby, I've been looking around on the GAP website and i went to some of the shuttle sites listed. I see that there are limited choices. For your advance planning purposes, please put me down for the trip, and I will need a shuttle for my bike and myself from Connellsville back to Frostburg. Threre is a possibility of a second person coming with me also. I hope that you can arrange shuttle service as I imagine it would be a make or break factor for many considering this trip. It looks like a great rode and I'm looking forward to hearing more about the plans as they unfold. Thanks for organizing this! Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/0B6oVQby3-cJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Steve: The success of this ride will depend on a solution for shuttling riders (since it is a point-to-point ride). I've got inquiries out to half a dozen shuttle services; between them we should be able to find a solution. Depending on their capability, it may require shuttling in advance or at the end of the ride; for example, meeting in Connellsville on Friday evening, leaving cars and getting shuttled (with bikes) back to Frostburg, or meeting in Frostburg on Friday evening / Saturday morning, and getting shuttled (with bikes) from Connellsville on Sunday. Hopefully they can offer both services, and individuals can choose. We'll need to remain flexible. The other critical factor will be reserving lodging on Sat night in Confluence. I'm trying to reserve a guest house that should comfortably accommodate 12, but we may need to supplement that with other choices if we have a larger group. At some point I may require a firm commitment in the form of a deposit. That may be the only way to ensure our reservations. But we still have time, so in the mean time I'll just keep exploring our options. BB On Jan 19, 1:28 pm, islaysteve alkire...@verizon.net wrote: Bobby, I've been looking around on the GAP website and i went to some of the shuttle sites listed. I see that there are limited choices. For your advance planning purposes, please put me down for the trip, and I will need a shuttle for my bike and myself from Connellsville back to Frostburg. Threre is a possibility of a second person coming with me also. I hope that you can arrange shuttle service as I imagine it would be a make or break factor for many considering this trip. It looks like a great rode and I'm looking forward to hearing more about the plans as they unfold. Thanks for organizing this! Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Bobby, thanks again for your efforts. I will be flexible for the situation. Deposit is definitely a given. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/B-bFrU_pgrkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Man, oh man. I'm 98% in (the work schedule pending). Done the GAP/CO and ride the Pittsburgh/Ohiopyle leg often. The GAP trail mileage is shorter than the drive. ANDY Pittsburgh On Jan 12, 11:24 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, it's a new year, and I'm starting to get excited about Riv Rally East 2012. Here's the quick skinny on this year's plan (so far): This year I'm planning the 2-day Rally to ride along the Great Allegheny Passage, from Frostburg, MD to Connellsville, PA. To get you psyched up, here are a few links: http://www.atatrail.org/index.cfmhttp://www.flickr.com/groups/great_allegheny_passage/ This beautiful stretch of the GAP trail takes you through long mountain tunnels, over high viaducts, though beautiful country along 2 scenic rivers (including through the Youghigheny River Gorge). The plan is to converge in Frostburg, MD on Friday evening, Apr 20th, and ride to Confluence, PA (47 miles of mostly smooth downhill to the North) on Saturday, where we will enjoy a nice dinner and comfy bed (although there is camping nearby for the hardcore). Sunday we will roll into Ohiopyle, PA, home of the famous Youghigheny Gorge, where we may take an an optional short excursion out of town to visit the famous Frank Lloyd Wright house, FallingWater (a trip WELL WORTH taking). We will finish day off in Connellsville, PA, where I am making arrangements to shuttle ourselves, bike and gear back to Frostburg. This will be a self-supported, credit card type of tour, which means that unless you have a buddy, spouse or otherwise hired person to meet you in Confluence PA on the first evening, you'll need to carry a change of clothes, toothbrush and other essentials to get you through 2 days of riding. A small duffle on a rack shoud suffice, or go all out with front and rear panniers... up to you. Me, I hope to toss a duffle in my big Wald basket... that's how I like to roll.. I have put out inquiries on shuttles and lodging; more on that shortly. In the mean time, if you are interested, please let me know. We had a fair amount of interest early on for the 2011 Rally, but quite a few dropped off. I hope we can get the same crew from 2011 returning this year, along with a few of you who couldn't make it last year. To our West Coast buddies, I'll bet we could get a few loaner bikes if any of you would care to join us... We'd love to have you. So mark the calendars, April 20-22. Peace, BobbyB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
The trail is still missing a small portion going through the Sandcastle waterpark - it was supposed to have been completed by the winter, but it ran a little behind schedule and is slated to be completed in the spring now. They seemed to be mostly done with it when last I passed, so that estimate certainly seems believable. -Dan On Jan 13, 8:04 pm, Lisa ukulele.l...@mac.com wrote: I got on some mailing lists (paper, not email) connected with these trails. From these, my understanding is that the last missing mile of the GAP was opened in November. That would mean it's now possible to ride all the way into Pittsburgh (crossing Monongahela on the Hot Metal Bridge!) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
I'm.psych'd, it's on my calendar. Marc On Jan 12, 10:24 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, it's a new year, and I'm starting to get excited about Riv Rally East 2012. Here's the quick skinny on this year's plan (so far): This year I'm planning the 2-day Rally to ride along the Great Allegheny Passage, from Frostburg, MD to Connellsville, PA. To get you psyched up, here are a few links: http://www.atatrail.org/index.cfmhttp://www.flickr.com/groups/great_allegheny_passage/ This beautiful stretch of the GAP trail takes you through long mountain tunnels, over high viaducts, though beautiful country along 2 scenic rivers (including through the Youghigheny River Gorge). The plan is to converge in Frostburg, MD on Friday evening, Apr 20th, and ride to Confluence, PA (47 miles of mostly smooth downhill to the North) on Saturday, where we will enjoy a nice dinner and comfy bed (although there is camping nearby for the hardcore). Sunday we will roll into Ohiopyle, PA, home of the famous Youghigheny Gorge, where we may take an an optional short excursion out of town to visit the famous Frank Lloyd Wright house, FallingWater (a trip WELL WORTH taking). We will finish day off in Connellsville, PA, where I am making arrangements to shuttle ourselves, bike and gear back to Frostburg. This will be a self-supported, credit card type of tour, which means that unless you have a buddy, spouse or otherwise hired person to meet you in Confluence PA on the first evening, you'll need to carry a change of clothes, toothbrush and other essentials to get you through 2 days of riding. A small duffle on a rack shoud suffice, or go all out with front and rear panniers... up to you. Me, I hope to toss a duffle in my big Wald basket... that's how I like to roll.. I have put out inquiries on shuttles and lodging; more on that shortly. In the mean time, if you are interested, please let me know. We had a fair amount of interest early on for the 2011 Rally, but quite a few dropped off. I hope we can get the same crew from 2011 returning this year, along with a few of you who couldn't make it last year. To our West Coast buddies, I'll bet we could get a few loaner bikes if any of you would care to join us... We'd love to have you. So mark the calendars, April 20-22. Peace, BobbyB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Sounds like fun. It's on my calendar, and hopefully the work schedule will be cooperative! gary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/90lTnwnQK9kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Anyone driving down from New England? I am in VT, would love to do this, but would probably want to split the costs/hassle of driving to MD with someone. Message me offline if you want to figure something out! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/MoEji2kuuyQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Thanks for the info, Bobby and Steve. Sounds like fun, I'm seriously considering it. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZoUmNuyeJfEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Since I took the time to explore the links that Bobby provided, I've answered most of my questions: It looks like a moderate climb out of Frostburg for 10+ miles to the Eastern Continental Divide (cool), and then moderate downhill all the way. Pretty good for an out-of-shape geezer like me. The GAP looks incredible and I'd really like to ride it; if not on this trip, in the future. If I decide to join, I will be riding my Bleriot fitted with Pari-Motos. I assume that this would be sufficient? I would also still be interested in any details of the ride, especially the first day. Also, I'm not sure how the second day with possible side trip to Fallingwater would work, but most likely I would sit out that side trip. Thanks for planning this Bobby. Cheers, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4wyBW-akG18J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
On Sun, 2012-01-15 at 14:54 -0800, islaysteve wrote: Since I took the time to explore the links that Bobby provided, I've answered most of my questions: It looks like a moderate climb out of Frostburg for 10+ miles to the Eastern Continental Divide (cool), and then moderate downhill all the way. Pretty good for an out-of-shape geezer like me. The GAP looks incredible and I'd really like to ride it; if not on this trip, in the future. If I decide to join, I will be riding my Bleriot fitted with Pari-Motos. I assume that this would be sufficient? It would be perfect. The GAP is a crushed limestone surface, very well packed, no loose top layer at all, and great drainage. It rained for 2 days when I was on it, and had rained heavily for days before we got there, and we saw 1 puddle for the entire distance from McKeesport to Cumberland. I would also still be interested in any details of the ride, especially the first day. Also, I'm not sure how the second day with possible side trip to Fallingwater would work, but most likely I would sit out that side trip. Thanks for planning this Bobby. Cheers, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4wyBW-akG18J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch +unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
I signed up for the Adventure Cycling tour along this route in September, to do some riding in a social setting, hopefully. On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:54 PM, islaysteve alkire...@verizon.net wrote: Since I took the time to explore the links that Bobby provided, I've answered most of my questions: It looks like a moderate climb out of Frostburg for 10+ miles to the Eastern Continental Divide (cool), and then moderate downhill all the way. Pretty good for an out-of-shape geezer like me. The GAP looks incredible and I'd really like to ride it; if not on this trip, in the future. If I decide to join, I will be riding my Bleriot fitted with Pari-Motos. I assume that this would be sufficient? I would also still be interested in any details of the ride, especially the first day. Also, I'm not sure how the second day with possible side trip to Fallingwater would work, but most likely I would sit out that side trip. Thanks for planning this Bobby. Cheers, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4wyBW-akG18J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
We still have a few things to work out, including shuttle, lodging, etc... The goal of the ride is to appeal to a wide group by making it interesting and challenging, but not necessarily difficult. The scenery will be spectacular. No rider will be left behind. According to the GAP website, distances are as follows: Frostburg to Confluence: 47 miles, the first 9-10 miles uphill (gaining approx 500 feet of elevation.. not too severe); then it's all downhill to Connellsville Confluence to Connellsville: 28 miles So the first part of Day 1 will be the most challenging part, and it will be a fairly full day of riding, albeit at a moderate to leisurely pace. Day 2 should be much easier, with or without a sidetrip to FallingWater. BB On Jan 15, 5:54 pm, islaysteve alkire...@verizon.net wrote: Since I took the time to explore the links that Bobby provided, I've answered most of my questions: It looks like a moderate climb out of Frostburg for 10+ miles to the Eastern Continental Divide (cool), and then moderate downhill all the way. Pretty good for an out-of-shape geezer like me. The GAP looks incredible and I'd really like to ride it; if not on this trip, in the future. If I decide to join, I will be riding my Bleriot fitted with Pari-Motos. I assume that this would be sufficient? I would also still be interested in any details of the ride, especially the first day. Also, I'm not sure how the second day with possible side trip to Fallingwater would work, but most likely I would sit out that side trip. Thanks for planning this Bobby. Cheers, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Even though I'm not that far from the area for the ride, I've never done even a part of it. What's your estimate of the daily mileage, and how much climbing, not including trip to Falllingwater? Fallingwater is well worth seeing, I've toured it 6 or 7 times over the years, so I could give it miss this time. Sounds like a great trip. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/y8PgC8X0DRAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Wow! Can't wait. On Jan 13, 12:18 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: More Scenes from the GAP trail: - Big Savage Tunnel -http://www.wqed.org/ondemand/onq.php?cat=6id=18 - High Bridge over Yough Gorge / Ohiopyle PA -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeaqI0wgp-Qfeature=related - Salisbury Viaduct -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpC9fHOIgjkfeature=related i(NOTICE the cameraman's cycling cap... wonder what he was riding???)/i - Keystone Viaduct - End of Summer bike ride, 2 young girlfriends... I really liked this -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlHjL4FQ47A Oh boy this is gonna be great... Peace, BobbyB On Jan 12, 11:24 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, it's a new year, and I'm starting to get excited about Riv Rally East 2012. Here's the quick skinny on this year's plan (so far): This year I'm planning the 2-day Rally to ride along the Great Allegheny Passage, from Frostburg, MD to Connellsville, PA. To get you psyched up, here are a few links: http://www.atatrail.org/index.cfmhttp://www.flickr.com/groups/great_a... This beautiful stretch of the GAP trail takes you through long mountain tunnels, over high viaducts, though beautiful country along 2 scenic rivers (including through the Youghigheny River Gorge). The plan is to converge in Frostburg, MD on Friday evening, Apr 20th, and ride to Confluence, PA (47 miles of mostly smooth downhill to the North) on Saturday, where we will enjoy a nice dinner and comfy bed (although there is camping nearby for the hardcore). Sunday we will roll into Ohiopyle, PA, home of the famous Youghigheny Gorge, where we may take an an optional short excursion out of town to visit the famous Frank Lloyd Wright house, FallingWater (a trip WELL WORTH taking). We will finish day off in Connellsville, PA, where I am making arrangements to shuttle ourselves, bike and gear back to Frostburg. This will be a self-supported, credit card type of tour, which means that unless you have a buddy, spouse or otherwise hired person to meet you in Confluence PA on the first evening, you'll need to carry a change of clothes, toothbrush and other essentials to get you through 2 days of riding. A small duffle on a rack shoud suffice, or go all out with front and rear panniers... up to you. Me, I hope to toss a duffle in my big Wald basket... that's how I like to roll.. I have put out inquiries on shuttles and lodging; more on that shortly. In the mean time, if you are interested, please let me know. We had a fair amount of interest early on for the 2011 Rally, but quite a few dropped off. I hope we can get the same crew from 2011 returning this year, along with a few of you who couldn't make it last year. To our West Coast buddies, I'll bet we could get a few loaner bikes if any of you would care to join us... We'd love to have you. So mark the calendars, April 20-22. Peace, BobbyB- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Kevin: It's funny you mention this... Amtrak has been promising (and is so far a year late in providing) roll-on/roll-off service on the Capitol Limited train that serves the region. Despite numerous letters and pressure on Amtrak, they're still supposedly working on it but will no longer commit to a date. I'm guessing you had to box up your bike (which you can do from Union Station in Chicago), but I don't believe we can do this between Connellsville and Cumberland... there are no baggage services in Connellsville. It would be GREAT to park at EITHER end and roll on to the train to transport to/from your car, but it apparently ain't happenin' just yet. Thanks, BB On Jan 13, 2:16 pm, Kevin M kpmulc...@gmail.com wrote: There all also Amtrack stations near both ends of the trail for out of towners. We rode and camped along the GAP CO trails in '10 on our tandem. I can't speak highly enough of the trails! Bring a camera and a swimsuit. Kevin Chicago, IL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
I was wondering if the roll-on service ever happened... I remember that being an issue, but boxing the tandem wasn't *too *bad. We used the Amtrak stations in PGH and WAS to box our bikes. The only extra tool I needed was a pedal wrench. When that roll-on service ever starts, it'll only make the trail that much more amazing. We're going through the same type of Amtrk delays in the Midwest as far as service to Milwaukee and Western Michigan. Grassroots campaign are underway. Kevin Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/g2AIfWaoueAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
It seems like it could really be a slick marketing move by Amtrak to jump headlong into We're the Cyclists Best Friend. If Amtrak had roll-on service everywhere and anywhere, I'd be substantially more likely to do a tour that isn't out my front door, or do out-of-state brevets. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Es1tLTiWW38J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Yes, they could virtually create a new niche in the cyclo-tourism industry... Many of us live close enough to some type of mass-transit hub, where imagine simply rolling on your bike and gear, and getting plugged into the national train network. Think of how many people might leave their cars behind when they vacation. I've enjoyed a small taste of this, between Princeton and Philadelphia (and I can ride to Princeton by way of canal towpath).. NJ Transit allows roll-on/off service on weekends and off-hours, as does SEPTA (Trenton to Philly)... The train cars generally aren't REALLY equipped to handle bikes, but they still allow it (kudos to NJ Transit and SEPTA). There are a few double-decker trains on the NJ Transit line that have an accessible area for wheelchairs and bicycles, if there's room... This is much improved, although not nearly as nice as the vertical bike racks found on some mass transit systems. But the feeling of rolling out of my garage in the AM, riding to the train over a beautiful route, spending a day in Philly or New York, then traveling home the same way... what a fun adventure. What a missed opportunity... shame on AMTRAK. On Jan 13, 5:14 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like it could really be a slick marketing move by Amtrak to jump headlong into We're the Cyclists Best Friend. If Amtrak had roll-on service everywhere and anywhere, I'd be substantially more likely to do a tour that isn't out my front door, or do out-of-state brevets. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
I rode the CO / GAP from DC to McKeesport with my family this past summer (2011). It was a great ride. The CO is rough and muddy in spots, but the GAP has a very nice crushed-stone surface. I got on some mailing lists (paper, not email) connected with these trails. From these, my understanding is that the last missing mile of the GAP was opened in November. That would mean it's now possible to ride all the way into Pittsburgh (crossing Monongahela on the Hot Metal Bridge!) The Pittsburgh Amtrak station does have baggage service and bike boxes -- my family used this option to return to DC. Boxing a bike for Amtrak requires only minimal disassembly (remove pedals and turn handlebars). I believe that Cumberland also has baggage service. But it would sure be nice if the roll-on service were ready by summer. Lisa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/8u9H_2GmGWIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
Thanks for the warning, Larry... It may not be practical to do the FallingWater side trip... it is quite a house, though isn't it? BB On Jan 13, 7:13 pm, Larry Powers lapower...@hotmail.com wrote: Sounds like a great ride. I will warn people that the climb from Ohio Pyle park to Falling Water is about 3 miles of 300% grade. At least that is how it seemed the year we tried it on a tandem with the wrong gearing and an out of shape team. Larry Powers Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain From: thomas.alling...@skadden.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:42:39 -0500 Subject: RE: [RBW] Riv Rally East 2012 I'm in, Bobby. And if anyone feels like flying in sans bike, I've got loaners in the 59cm to 61cm range. Pics on the Flickr group make it look like a GREAT ride. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:24 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Riv Rally East 2012 OK, it's a new year, and I'm starting to get excited about Riv Rally East 2012. Here's the quick skinny on this year's plan (so far): This year I'm planning the 2-day Rally to ride along the Great Allegheny Passage, from Frostburg, MD to Connellsville, PA. To get you psyched up, here are a few links: http://www.atatrail.org/index.cfm http://www.flickr.com/groups/great_allegheny_passage/ This beautiful stretch of the GAP trail takes you through long mountain tunnels, over high viaducts, though beautiful country along 2 scenic rivers (including through the Youghigheny River Gorge). The plan is to converge in Frostburg, MD on Friday evening, Apr 20th, and ride to Confluence, PA (47 miles of mostly smooth downhill to the North) on Saturday, where we will enjoy a nice dinner and comfy bed (although there is camping nearby for the hardcore). Sunday we will roll into Ohiopyle, PA, home of the famous Youghigheny Gorge, where we may take an an optional short excursion out of town to visit the famous Frank Lloyd Wright house, FallingWater (a trip WELL WORTH taking). We will finish day off in Connellsville, PA, where I am making arrangements to shuttle ourselves, bike and gear back to Frostburg. This will be a self-supported, credit card type of tour, which means that unless you have a buddy, spouse or otherwise hired person to meet you in Confluence PA on the first evening, you'll need to carry a change of clothes, toothbrush and other essentials to get you through 2 days of riding. A small duffle on a rack shoud suffice, or go all out with front and rear panniers... up to you. Me, I hope to toss a duffle in my big Wald basket... that's how I like to roll.. I have put out inquiries on shuttles and lodging; more on that shortly. In the mean time, if you are interested, please let me know. We had a fair amount of interest early on for the 2011 Rally, but quite a few dropped off. I hope we can get the same crew from 2011 returning this year, along with a few of you who couldn't make it last year. To our West Coast buddies, I'll bet we could get a few loaner bikes if any of you would care to join us... We'd love to have you. So mark the calendars, April 20-22. Peace, BobbyB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. --- --- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212)
RE: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
We never made it because we weren't prepared. I am giving some serious thought to joining this trip just to try it again. Larry Powers Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:14:01 -0800 Subject: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012 From: montclairbob...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Thanks for the warning, Larry... It may not be practical to do the FallingWater side trip... it is quite a house, though isn't it? BB On Jan 13, 7:13 pm, Larry Powers lapower...@hotmail.com wrote: Sounds like a great ride. I will warn people that the climb from Ohio Pyle park to Falling Water is about 3 miles of 300% grade. At least that is how it seemed the year we tried it on a tandem with the wrong gearing and an out of shape team. Larry Powers Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain From: thomas.alling...@skadden.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 11:42:39 -0500 Subject: RE: [RBW] Riv Rally East 2012 I'm in, Bobby. And if anyone feels like flying in sans bike, I've got loaners in the 59cm to 61cm range. Pics on the Flickr group make it look like a GREAT ride. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:24 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Riv Rally East 2012 OK, it's a new year, and I'm starting to get excited about Riv Rally East 2012. Here's the quick skinny on this year's plan (so far): This year I'm planning the 2-day Rally to ride along the Great Allegheny Passage, from Frostburg, MD to Connellsville, PA. To get you psyched up, here are a few links: http://www.atatrail.org/index.cfm http://www.flickr.com/groups/great_allegheny_passage/ This beautiful stretch of the GAP trail takes you through long mountain tunnels, over high viaducts, though beautiful country along 2 scenic rivers (including through the Youghigheny River Gorge). The plan is to converge in Frostburg, MD on Friday evening, Apr 20th, and ride to Confluence, PA (47 miles of mostly smooth downhill to the North) on Saturday, where we will enjoy a nice dinner and comfy bed (although there is camping nearby for the hardcore). Sunday we will roll into Ohiopyle, PA, home of the famous Youghigheny Gorge, where we may take an an optional short excursion out of town to visit the famous Frank Lloyd Wright house, FallingWater (a trip WELL WORTH taking). We will finish day off in Connellsville, PA, where I am making arrangements to shuttle ourselves, bike and gear back to Frostburg. This will be a self-supported, credit card type of tour, which means that unless you have a buddy, spouse or otherwise hired person to meet you in Confluence PA on the first evening, you'll need to carry a change of clothes, toothbrush and other essentials to get you through 2 days of riding. A small duffle on a rack shoud suffice, or go all out with front and rear panniers... up to you. Me, I hope to toss a duffle in my big Wald basket... that's how I like to roll.. I have put out inquiries on shuttles and lodging; more on that shortly. In the mean time, if you are interested, please let me know. We had a fair amount of interest early on for the 2011 Rally, but quite a few dropped off. I hope we can get the same crew from 2011 returning this year, along with a few of you who couldn't make it last year. To our West Coast buddies, I'll bet we could get a few loaner bikes if any of you would care to join us... We'd love to have you. So mark the calendars, April 20-22. Peace, BobbyB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. --- --- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
On Fri, 2012-01-13 at 15:37 -0800, Montclair BobbyB wrote: What a missed opportunity... shame on AMTRAK. They are perfectly aware of it. They promised in public statements; they delayed implementation, they said, because they had no experience with roll-on roll-off service (even though they in fact have it in places on the system) and then when the time came to deliver on the promise and nothing happened, their response was we've never heard of that. Shame on them indeed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
On Fri, 2012-01-13 at 17:14 -0800, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Thanks for the warning, Larry... It may not be practical to do the FallingWater side trip... it is quite a house, though isn't it? BB On Jan 13, 7:13 pm, Larry Powers lapower...@hotmail.com wrote: Sounds like a great ride. I will warn people that the climb from Ohio Pyle park to Falling Water is about 3 miles of 300% grade. At least that is how it seemed the year we tried it on a tandem with the wrong gearing and an out of shape team. Funny: Joan, a riding pal and list member rode there when she did her GAP tour and said the climb and the ride up there was no big deal. A big contrast from the way the folks at the motel where I stayed described the trip, as death to ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East 2012
More Scenes from the GAP trail: - Big Savage Tunnel - http://www.wqed.org/ondemand/onq.php?cat=6id=18 - High Bridge over Yough Gorge / Ohiopyle PA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeaqI0wgp-Qfeature=related - Salisbury Viaduct - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpC9fHOIgjkfeature=related i(NOTICE the cameraman's cycling cap... wonder what he was riding???)/i - Keystone Viaduct - End of Summer bike ride, 2 young girlfriends... I really liked this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlHjL4FQ47A Oh boy this is gonna be great... Peace, BobbyB On Jan 12, 11:24 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, it's a new year, and I'm starting to get excited about Riv Rally East 2012. Here's the quick skinny on this year's plan (so far): This year I'm planning the 2-day Rally to ride along the Great Allegheny Passage, from Frostburg, MD to Connellsville, PA. To get you psyched up, here are a few links: http://www.atatrail.org/index.cfmhttp://www.flickr.com/groups/great_allegheny_passage/ This beautiful stretch of the GAP trail takes you through long mountain tunnels, over high viaducts, though beautiful country along 2 scenic rivers (including through the Youghigheny River Gorge). The plan is to converge in Frostburg, MD on Friday evening, Apr 20th, and ride to Confluence, PA (47 miles of mostly smooth downhill to the North) on Saturday, where we will enjoy a nice dinner and comfy bed (although there is camping nearby for the hardcore). Sunday we will roll into Ohiopyle, PA, home of the famous Youghigheny Gorge, where we may take an an optional short excursion out of town to visit the famous Frank Lloyd Wright house, FallingWater (a trip WELL WORTH taking). We will finish day off in Connellsville, PA, where I am making arrangements to shuttle ourselves, bike and gear back to Frostburg. This will be a self-supported, credit card type of tour, which means that unless you have a buddy, spouse or otherwise hired person to meet you in Confluence PA on the first evening, you'll need to carry a change of clothes, toothbrush and other essentials to get you through 2 days of riding. A small duffle on a rack shoud suffice, or go all out with front and rear panniers... up to you. Me, I hope to toss a duffle in my big Wald basket... that's how I like to roll.. I have put out inquiries on shuttles and lodging; more on that shortly. In the mean time, if you are interested, please let me know. We had a fair amount of interest early on for the 2011 Rally, but quite a few dropped off. I hope we can get the same crew from 2011 returning this year, along with a few of you who couldn't make it last year. To our West Coast buddies, I'll bet we could get a few loaner bikes if any of you would care to join us... We'd love to have you. So mark the calendars, April 20-22. Peace, BobbyB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
