[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Deacon Patrick]

Excellent idea, Ian!

The upside down "nest" the ball gets snugged into in stealth mode is 
plastic, the ball mettle. I wonder if cold temps cause different shrinkage 
for the two materials, making the ball too snug in the nest.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, January 1, 2017 at 2:13:36 PM UTC-7, Ian A wrote:
>
> Have you tried filling it with whisky? That'll put hairs on its chest.  

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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Ian A]

Have you tried filling it with whisky? That'll put hairs on its chest.  

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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Deacon Patrick]

Interesting you mention that one, Les. I saw it referenced in the MUP 
thread and bought it. Bizarrely, stealth mode works TOO well. Stealth mode 
works a marvel. No reverberation. However, the poor thing goes 
pre-adolescent boy and has to drop its ball ringer when I shift it to ring 
mode. But it stays stuck (including popping a mini-wheelie) and it takes a 
proctology exam with my finger to loosen it enough to drop. I've written 
them asking for suggestions to keep it past puberty. Being Hogmanay and 
all, it may be a bit. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, January 1, 2017 at 4:56:53 AM UTC-7, Les Lammers wrote:
>
> This looks interesting: http://www.mtbbell.com/
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 11:38:22 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, 
>> even when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for 
>> the most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
>> uterly silent when you don't? 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick 
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Les Lammers]

This looks interesting: http://www.mtbbell.com/

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 11:38:22 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, even 
> when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for the 
> most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
> uterly silent when you don't? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[iamkeith]

I too keep seeing the title of this thread, and thinking of something 
different.   I wonder if this could help, though:

The only bell I have on any of my bikes is a "bear bell,"  kind of like one 
of THESE 
.
 
 (There are exponentially more bears and mountain lions and moose where I 
live, than there are paved pathways)

Anyway, there is a little magnet, embedded in a short strap, attached to 
the bell.  Moving the magnet to the bottom of the bell holds the clapper 
tight against the inside, so it doesn't jingle.  (moslty)  I know the 
brass on a typical bike bell isn't magnetic but, if the clapper is, maybe 
there's a way to add a magnet to keep it from bouncing so much.





On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 10:48:43 PM UTC-7, Ian A wrote:
>
> I just keep reading the subject line as "Silent Bell Needed". So I did a 
> Google search in that vein and was directed to a page about "the sounds 
> of five Buddhist temple bells in Kyoto, Japan when they are not ringing"
>
> http://echosounddesign.com/media/HIgashi_Honganji.mp3
> https://bolesblogs.com/2011/06/01/what-is-the-sound-of-a-silent-bell/
>
> Not exactly on topic, but it somehow fits with the Deacon's wonderful 
> spirituality, so I thought I should share it.
>
> Ian A/Canada.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 9:38:22 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, 
>> even when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for 
>> the most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
>> uterly silent when you don't? 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick 
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Ian! I can't navigate the site for the blowing snowflakes across 
the screen, but I listened to the sound file of the bells for a few seconds 
(generally the most I can listen to audio files), and it's the big version 
of the resonance I anticipate I may end up hearing. I've two bells on 
order, and heaven knows I've run my own bell more than enough times, but I 
may be ringing it even more yet! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 10:48:43 PM UTC-7, Ian A wrote:
>
> I just keep reading the subject line as "Silent Bell Needed". So I did a 
> Google search in that vein and was directed to a page about "the sounds 
> of five Buddhist temple bells in Kyoto, Japan when they are not ringing"
>
> http://echosounddesign.com/media/HIgashi_Honganji.mp3
> https://bolesblogs.com/2011/06/01/what-is-the-sound-of-a-silent-bell/
>
> Not exactly on topic, but it somehow fits with the Deacon's wonderful 
> spirituality, so I thought I should share it.
>
> Ian A/Canada.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 9:38:22 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, 
>> even when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for 
>> the most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
>> uterly silent when you don't? 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick 
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed/Using a bell

[masmojo]

I rode mostly around town, it's rarely quiet enough that I would notice any 
bell "humming" even out on a deserted trail, between the derailleur click and 
tire contact noise bell vibration would not be a distraction at all as long as 
you were using a bell with a trigger. I like the Crane bells with the spring 
for around town, aside from a very loud, clear sound they also tell me when my 
tires are over inflated! Too much air & the bell rings by itself over any 
little bump! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed/Using a bell

[Ron Mc]

I can vouch for Tim, I hear the voices in his head, too.  

On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 10:07:44 PM UTC-6, Tim wrote:
>
> On the other hand, the voices in my head may be drowning out the hum of 
> the bell :-)

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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That was really cool, Ian, thanks for sharing. Patrick, of all the listers I 
can think of, you should put one of those on the Mammoth. But you may need 
Grant to design a special rack :-)

Quote from Ian's link:
“…when a bell rings it is only the sound of the bell listening to the sound of 
the bell. Or to put it another way it is the sound of yourself ringing. This is 
the moment of enlightenment.”

(The Three Pillars of Zen by Phillip Kapleau) aka- Garth

Peace,
Tim "now you're just being silly" Kirch

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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Ian A]

I just keep reading the subject line as "Silent Bell Needed". So I did a 
Google search in that vein and was directed to a page about "the sounds of 
five Buddhist temple bells in Kyoto, Japan when they are not ringing"

http://echosounddesign.com/media/HIgashi_Honganji.mp3
https://bolesblogs.com/2011/06/01/what-is-the-sound-of-a-silent-bell/

Not exactly on topic, but it somehow fits with the Deacon's wonderful 
spirituality, so I thought I should share it.

Ian A/Canada.


On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 9:38:22 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, even 
> when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for the 
> most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
> uterly silent when you don't? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed/Using a bell

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On the other hand, the voices in my head may be drowning out the hum of the 
bell :-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed/Using a bell

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think I'm fairly sensitive to extra noise on my bike. I have Crane bells from 
Riv and I have not noticed any hum or jingle to them while riding on rough 
roads or on the little bit of gravel I ride. I'd give them a try. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed/Using a bell

[Ron Mc]

I had a conversation with a lady one day whose black thin yo-yo leash was 
more than corner-to-corner across a greenway intersection.  It was 
invisible.  
Next time I saw her, it wasn't any shorter, but had a bright colored boa 
running from the dog.  
Yo-yo leashes are supposed to be outlawed on greenways, but it's not 
enforced.  

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 8:29:35 PM UTC-6, GAJett wrote:
>
> My excitement was with a dog not off-leash.  Instead the dog was on one of 
> those leashes on a reel that allow them to be 10 or 12 feet away from the 
> owner.  Came around a nearly blind corner (having slowed anyway out of 
> caution) and there was the dog on one side of the trail, the owner on the 
> other, and the leash tight between.  Got stopped OK, then the owner yelled 
> at the "dumb" dog. (Hint: It's not the dog that's dumb.)  Owner never said 
> a word to me.  Could have  been really ugly if I was going faster.
> Cheers.
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 9:34:10 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Anecdote from a ride a few days ago: I was riding behind another cyclist 
>> who I didn't know. Ahead of us, a man was walking his dog off leash. The 
>> dog decided to walk across the bike trail into our path, forcing us to 
>> brake quickly to slow down. The guy ahead of me on the bike then decided 
>> that he needed to stop altogether so that he could chastise the dog owner 
>> ... making an already bad situation even worse. I had to veer to avoid 
>> running into him, the walker, and the dog.
>>
>> --Eric N
>> www.CampyOnly.com
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[fugd...@gmail.com]

I like the Spurcycle. But I LOVE the brass Lion bell from England. I like 
good bells; they have a mystical history

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 8:38:22 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, even 
> when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for the 
> most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
> uterly silent when you don't? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed/Using a bell

[GAJett]

My excitement was with a dog not off-leash.  Instead the dog was on one of 
those leashes on a reel that allow them to be 10 or 12 feet away from the 
owner.  Came around a nearly blind corner (having slowed anyway out of 
caution) and there was the dog on one side of the trail, the owner on the 
other, and the leash tight between.  Got stopped OK, then the owner yelled 
at the "dumb" dog. (Hint: It's not the dog that's dumb.)  Owner never said 
a word to me.  Could have  been really ugly if I was going faster.
Cheers.

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 9:34:10 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Anecdote from a ride a few days ago: I was riding behind another cyclist 
> who I didn't know. Ahead of us, a man was walking his dog off leash. The 
> dog decided to walk across the bike trail into our path, forcing us to 
> brake quickly to slow down. The guy ahead of me on the bike then decided 
> that he needed to stop altogether so that he could chastise the dog owner 
> ... making an already bad situation even worse. I had to veer to avoid 
> running into him, the walker, and the dog.
>
> --Eric N
> www.CampyOnly.com
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Garth]

Oh yeah, I have not owned this one but I do love the sound of it  I 
find them more pleasing , more playful I guess that just a dong or ding 
dong.
 
https://www.amazon.com/Mirrycle-Incredibell-Bicycle-Bell-Chrome/dp/B001CJVGRY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxizulSniIY


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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Garth]

  Yep, the Brass Duet Incredibell .  Never ever ever makes a peep unless I 
activate the lever, a nice brass tone,a higher pitch than the larger ones 
.  I've used them for about 5 years or so without a hiccup.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0017APNX6/ref=twister_B000YZ4CPU?_encoding=UTF8=1
a short video someone made on a path... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slY9aQaFo88

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 11:38:22 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, even 
> when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for the 
> most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
> uterly silent when you don't? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Patrick Moore]

I've got several of the lever-arm "Crane" or  "Universal"-type bells; 2 of
55 mm diameter and one of 45 mm. All brass. The larger ones are nice and
loud and work fine on the paved and well-used bike path; but I the smaller
one is much softer in sound, and I chose that one for the Matthews which is
ridden as much as possible on our dirt roads and paths - the softer sound
is more fitting for the bucolic ambience, where the larger ones jarred the
sensibilities. I can always yell if I need more sound.

BTW, the larger ones can be modulated by the distance the striker is drawn
back. My escalation is: bell lightly; bell louder; bell louder and
repeated; "Cyclist!"; then "Heads UP!!!" It seems to work, though I do
admit once to taking a shudderingly blissful delight in scaring the shit
out of some clueless pedestrians, who had ignored my carefully calibrated
warning escalations, with a !Zounds! air horn.

I've flicked the Spurcycle in stores, and don't find them louder than my 55
mm Cranes/Unversals, or sweeter than my 45 mm one.


On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 11:11 AM, René Sterental 
wrote:

> From all the bells I've tried, the best by far, in both style, sound
> quality and mounting versatility is the Spurcycle bell:
> http://www.spurcycle.com/products/better-bicycle-bell
>
> It has completely replaced all my bicycle bells, has the most lovely yet
> far reaching and lasting sound and is completely silent until rung.
>
> Not cheap, but highly recommended.
>
> René
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[René Sterental]

>From all the bells I've tried, the best by far, in both style, sound
quality and mounting versatility is the Spurcycle bell:
http://www.spurcycle.com/products/better-bicycle-bell

It has completely replaced all my bicycle bells, has the most lovely yet
far reaching and lasting sound and is completely silent until rung.

Not cheap, but highly recommended.

René

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I'm not using one, but increasingly find more people on the trails (an
> excellent and yet selfishly disappointing thing. Sardonic grin.) and so see
> the need for it increasing. I have every confidence that I am far more
> sensitive to "hum" than anyone else on the planet.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 10:11:36 AM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>>
>> It's quite possible that you are more aware of this than I am, what are
>> you using that you find hums?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Philip Kim]

spurcycles bell i have works well

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 11:38:22 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, even 
> when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for the 
> most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
> uterly silent when you don't? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Deacon Patrick]

I'm not using one, but increasingly find more people on the trails (an 
excellent and yet selfishly disappointing thing. Sardonic grin.) and so see 
the need for it increasing. I have every confidence that I am far more 
sensitive to "hum" than anyone else on the planet.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 10:11:36 AM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>
> It's quite possible that you are more aware of this than I am, what are 
> you using that you find hums? 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed/Using a bell

[Eric Norris]

+1 on the spring-mounted strikers making noise all the time. I have found that 
bells with the "trigger" style strikers stay quiet (to my ears) until I use 
them.

Regarding using bells and/or calling out on the bike trail ... I use a bell, 
and over time I've reduced my bell-ringing to those cases where I think the 
pedestrian/runner/cyclist ahead of me seems to be on the verge of doing 
something dumb (e.g., veering into my path). If there's nobody coming from the 
other direction and I have room to ride around the person(s) ahead of me, I 
just ride around.

Bell-ringing, in my experience, is helpful about half the time. People hear the 
bell and either walk/ride a little farther to the right or stop drifting to the 
left. 

The other half of the time, they either don't hear it or ignore it. I'm always 
amazed at people who walk in groups, sometimes three across, taking up the 
entire bike lane with the backs to bikes riding toward them in the same lane 
... ignoring (on my local bike trail) the signs that tell them to walk *off* 
the trail on the *left* side. I've given up trying to teach these people the 
rules, opting instead to get around and away from them as quickly and safely as 
possible and continue with my ride.

Anecdote from a ride a few days ago: I was riding behind another cyclist who I 
didn't know. Ahead of us, a man was walking his dog off leash. The dog decided 
to walk across the bike trail into our path, forcing us to brake quickly to 
slow down. The guy ahead of me on the bike then decided that he needed to stop 
altogether so that he could chastise the dog owner ... making an already bad 
situation even worse. I had to veer to avoid running into him, the walker, and 
the dog.

--Eric N
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> On Dec 28, 2016, at 9:11 AM, ted  wrote:
> 
> It's quite possible that you are more aware of this than I am, what are you 
> using that you find hums? 
> That said, I find that the hammer strike bells that RBW sells stay quiet when 
> not needed, and the spring mounted striker style (bell 26) that RBW also 
> sells brings incessantly for moderate combinations of rough terrain, and 
> firmer tire pressure.
> I've also been very happy with a Crane E-ne bell thats much like the 
> Spurcycle.
> 
>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 8:38:22 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, even 
>> when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for the 
>> most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, uterly 
>> silent when you don't? 
>> 
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick 
>> 
>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>> 
>> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[ted]

It's quite possible that you are more aware of this than I am, what are you 
using that you find hums? 
That said, I find that the hammer strike bells that RBW sells stay quiet 
when not needed, and the spring mounted striker style (bell 26) that RBW 
also sells brings incessantly for moderate combinations of rough terrain, 
and firmer tire pressure.
I've also been very happy with a Crane E-ne bell thats much like the 
Spurcycle.

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 8:38:22 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, even 
> when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for the 
> most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
> uterly silent when you don't? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
>
>

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