[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Philip Williamson]

You have a point. REI sold those brands for years.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Joe Bernard]

Party on, Garth. 

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Garth]

The blame game is like the cold war  implied guaranteed mutual 
destruction.  But that is not the point of the game, the point of the game 
is the game, who plays and how matters not. Just play the part. 
 
The blamer and the blamed are the same one two-faced and double minded. 
One minute they're the blamer, in the next they are to blame. The point is 
not find the truth, on the contrary, it is to avoid truth at all costs. 
"There is no truth ... I  make my own truth I decide what is true.. 
etc."   and yet somehow that is supposed to be true ! ? er  ooops . 
Ahahahahahah !  


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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Christopher Murray]

REI is a powerhouse in the outdoor industry. That is crazy news considering 
some of those brands are market leaders. I’d guess this is going to turn into a 
game of chicken— who will blink first. I wouldn’t bet against REI. 

Thanks for the link.

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[iamkeith]

Hopefully I can put this here and everybody will understand I do so for 
interest's sake only.  REI joins the boycot:

https://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb-news/rei-halts-orders-popular-outdoor-brands-including-camelbak-bell-giro-response-nra-boycott/

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Surlyprof]

Trying not to get political but I was disappointed to see Blackburn on this 
list as well.  The founders of Blackburn and Giro (Jim Blackburn and Jim 
Gentes) both graduated from our design program and started companies to 
help cyclists stay safe, be more comfortable and enjoy cycling more than 
they could before they started those companies.  Both men are truly genuine 
and fantastic people who often come back and tell their business stories to 
our students.  Both are retired and their companies have been sold to these 
larger corporations.  I fear that this is the kind of thing that can happen 
to the principles of any company as they are bought and taken over by 
larger companies.  I'm glad to see Grant work so hard to maintain 
Rivendell's soul and principles when it is suffering its various financial 
challenges through the years.  He's probably been approached with offers 
before and turned them down.  Blackburn racks transitioned me into bike 
commuting 25 years ago and I've owned mostly Giro helmets because they are 
well designed and fit me best.  However, as a teacher whose fear is 
heightened with every school shooting, I have to say that I vote with my 
dollars.  I will probably be looking for a different brand of helmet in the 
future and buying a Hail Mary from Riv even though I really can't afford it 
and don't really need anything now.

Thank you for posting the articles Michael and Jonathan.  It was good 
information to know.
John


On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 9:51:29 AM UTC-8, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> I don’t want to weigh into politics on this forum but I thought this was a 
> good story on this issue. 
> https://bikeportland.org/2018/02/23/local-bike-shops-come-to-terms-with-their-industrys-ties-to-the-nra-269395
>  
>
> Also a another good reason to support Rivendell, nitto, etc this weekend 
> and always. 

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Jonathan D.]

I don’t want to weigh into politics on this forum but I thought this was a good 
story on this issue. 
https://bikeportland.org/2018/02/23/local-bike-shops-come-to-terms-with-their-industrys-ties-to-the-nra-269395

Also a another good reason to support Rivendell, nitto, etc this weekend and 
always. 

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Since I've said the same thing to a number of group members who contacted 
me privately:

February/March has been a tough month historically.  It's when comments 
seem to suddenly turn caustic and umbrage taken in excess of what is 
appropriate. It hasn't played out for a few years now, but event back when 
we numbered in the hundreds and this was an email-based group, it would 
rear up, making good & calm individuals suddenly edgy and flippant. Then it 
would spiral in intensity until needlessly nasty words spilled out. We'd 
have to do a bit of a hard reset. 

The best way to end a thread is not respond to it. 

The quality of this list is dependent upon the members. A good signal to 
noise ratio depends upon good signal levels. 

Thank you all for your continued contributions to this group.

- Jim (now rolling back out from this rest stop...)


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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[RichS]

Jim,

Didn’t you just apply your moderator’s wisdom a weeks ago?

Thank you again for stepping in to keep the conversation civil.

Best regards,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Cyclofiend Jim]

I don't expect all of us to agree on anything. 

I do expect folks to be civil, though.

I've deleted the posts in this thread which seemed to generate the post 
egregious responses, and as you might guess, the responses as well. 

I've settled some things with folks offline, so let's move forward with 
civility intact.

Thanks!

- Jim / admin

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[phil k]

Completely agree with Ryan.

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Michael Morrissey]

Here's a bit more on the Vista company:
https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/02/23/the-gun-industry-might-be-down-but-vista-outdoor-l.aspx

Thank you to the original poster for sharing this. It's important to remember 
we are constantly voting with our dollars. This, and the "Hail Mary" plea from 
Rivendell remind me why I chose to buy a Rivendell in the first place. As a 
teenager, I really wanted an Ibis bike - I didn't have any money, didn't buy 
one, and Ibis went out of business. In my twenties, I really wanted a Kogswell 
- I didn't have any money, didn't buy one, and Kogswell went out of business. 
In my thirties, I really wanted a Rivendell. Finally I had money and bought 
one! I didn't need one, but I like the company and their bikes and am happy to 
spend my money there. 

Giro helmets are great, but I'm going to look closer at the competition.

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I love the nonpolitical nature of this forum and don’t want to see that 
changed. The slap on older people was just kind of inane.  Perhaps  it was 
offered by someone who doesn’t think he or she is ever going to age. (And some 
people don’t eat and sleep at exact times)

Guess you can put me in the pile of people who thought the thread was going to 
discuss unsafe helmets

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Ryan Merrill]

While I agree that we can do without insulting anybody, calling attention 
to an ongoing boycott of a helmet brand (also camelbak brand if you are so 
inclined...and osprey is better anyway), I would think is about as on topic 
as anti-Chinese built stuff which has been known to be a forum subject 
matter. 

I think the Op could have been a bit more clear what was what in the 
original post and thread title though. 

On Saturday, February 24, 2018 at 10:25:42 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Look man, I support the boycott and anyone who follows me on Twitter knows 
> my feelings about guns in general and the NRA specifically, but this is a 
> political topic dishonesty presented as a helmet thread. Which has now led 
> to people agreeing that it's ok to do and insulting those of us who 
> disagree. Which is why the RBW forum is not the place for political 
> discussions. Go to @josephremib on Twitter for all the politics you want, 
> I'm not doing it here. 

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Christopher Murray]

I see nothing wrong with the original post itself. Whatever you choose to spend 
your money on (or choose to not spend your money on), it is always better to be 
more informed than less informed. Knowledge is a good thing, right? There is 
nothing in the post that takes one side or another. The title of the thread 
leans a little to one side but nothing crazy or explicitly anti-anything. 
Anything about politics or boycotts or ammo or whatever was added later by 
others. 

I say, thank you for the information. Now let’s all move on from this obviously 
explosive topic and go ride our bikes or spend our new credits. 

Cheers! 
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Joe Bernard]

Look man, I support the boycott and anyone who follows me on Twitter knows my 
feelings about guns in general and the NRA specifically, but this is a 
political topic dishonesty presented as a helmet thread. Which has now led to 
people agreeing that it's ok to do and insulting those of us who disagree. 
Which is why the RBW forum is not the place for political discussions. Go to 
@josephremib on Twitter for all the politics you want, I'm not doing it here. 

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 I am a retired Firefighter Paramedic from a violent city.  

(Really?   Oh Gawd.rolling eyes).   Man- you guys take your 'snooty 
little social rules' for this forum a little too serious. Totally 
relevant.   (Thanks for the post Michael).  Some of your replies pissed me 
off. My daughters best friend was just shot in the face and killed last 
week by a jealous ex. GUN violence is not political. It is human. It is 
American. I have no interest in supporting any of the companies that are 
owned by a firearms company. I will no longer buy any of the products made 
by these companies. It sucks too, because I love my Giro helmet. It's the 
only brand that fits my square head perfectly. 


Clayton B.  (Bendite)

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Geir Bentzen]

If we want a discussion about the safety of wearing a bicycle helmet this 
may be a starting point; https://bicyclesafe.com/helmets.html

The main point the author makes is that bike handling skills and behavior 
in traffic are much more important for rider safety than wearing a helmet. 
Having ridden bikes in traffic for almost 52 years I personally tend to 
agree, even though I am a safety instructor myself and will demand that my 
students use a helmet as instituted by the program. But then I also teach 
the skills mentioned above.

To me personally it seems that bike riding becomes much safer when a 
critical mass of riders on the streets has been reached, like in several 
European cities. When drivers are used to see and look out for cyclists 
things get easier for all. That is a strong argument against anything that 
makes bike riding a special pursuit in need of unusual clothing, head gear 
or anything else that a person would not wear around town without a bike 
underneath. Pictures from Norway and other places in Europe in the 1950s 
and 60s show people in work clothes, dresses and suits  commuting to work 
or shopping on bikes. And there are lots of them on the streets among the 
cars and trucks.

All the best,

Geir


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> Before you buy your next helmet you should consider this:
> https://www.bikebiz.com/news/anti-gun-bike-brand-boycott
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Re: [RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/23/2018 10:21 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

"Unsafe helmets" means something like a helmet recall. As much as I despise the 
NRA (see: white hot rage), your title has nothing to do with the topic you posted. It's 
political clickbait, and I don't appreciate that I was suckered into clicking on it.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/23/2018 11:37 PM, Lee Legrand wrote:
Politics and religion.  The two topics which will enrage and set off 
firestorms in a email forum such as this or on a street corner or in 
the work office.  I am not upset that he put it on the forum although 
it may go outside of "forum policy".  I like those who break the rules 
sometimes.  It irritates the old folks who have to have everything the 
same like there morning breakfast or sleep at a certain time or those 
who cannot stand opinion other than there own.





Before you go about insulting older people you ought to at least learn 
to spell properly.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

['Jennings' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Couldn't agree more. Just ordered a new bell helmet and some federal ammo to go 
in my savage rifle. Might even grab a new camelback too. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Ben Miller]

Michael, thanks for passing along the information. I for one did not know about 
the connection between Giro and the larger brand portfolio. It's nice to be 
well informed about where your dollars go and therefore better chose how to 
spend them. 

Ben

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Re: [RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Joe Bernard]

I'm cool with you taking your BS about "old folks" and stuffing it, Legrand. 
Happy now?

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Ryan Merrill]

I’m cool with boycotting and I think it can add up to change. Thanks for the 
link.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Lee Legrand]

Politics and religion.  The two topics which will enrage and set off
firestorms in a email forum such as this or on a street corner or in the
work office.  I am not upset that he put it on the forum although it may go
outside of "forum policy".  I like those who break the rules sometimes.  It
irritates the old folks who have to have everything the same like there
morning breakfast or sleep at a certain time or those who cannot stand
opinion other than there own.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Scott McLain 
wrote:

> i don’t like giro and bell helmets because they don’t fit me right.  I
> have been foregoing a helmet more and more.  My primary use for a helmet is
> when my wife come riding with me.
>
> However I do buy amp from Federal.  Mostly Shotgun shells for when we go
> to the range.  I probably also buy .22 and 9mm shells from the also.
>
> I don’t shop at Wal Mart though because they are destroying America.  They
> are almost as evil as Microsoft.
>
> Throw another log on the fire
>
> Grinning with Patrick!
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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Scott McLain]

i don’t like giro and bell helmets because they don’t fit me right.  I have 
been foregoing a helmet more and more.  My primary use for a helmet is when my 
wife come riding with me. 

However I do buy amp from Federal.  Mostly Shotgun shells for when we go to the 
range.  I probably also buy .22 and 9mm shells from the also.

I don’t shop at Wal Mart though because they are destroying America.  They are 
almost as evil as Microsoft.

Throw another log on the fire

Grinning with Patrick!

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[iamkeith]

Well if nothing else, it is a timely topic.  The following headlines just 
started coming across my news feed, from today's news cycle.  NBC, BBC, New 
York Magazine, Wall Street Journal, CBS.  All talking about how such 
boycots are having an effect.  It's a veritable mainstream media 
conspiracy, I tell ya.  ;-)

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/companies-cut-ties-nra-after-customer-backlash-n850686

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-43173753

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/businesses-cut-nra-ties-as-pressure-campaign-mounts.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-u-s-companies-bow-to-social-media-pressure-sever-nra-ties-1519431715

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/companies-cutting-ties-with-nra-after-florida-school-shooting/

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Joe Bernard]

"Unsafe helmets" means something like a helmet recall. As much as I despise the 
NRA (see: white hot rage), your title has nothing to do with the topic you 
posted. It's political clickbait, and I don't appreciate that I was suckered 
into clicking on it. 

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Christopher Murray]

Thanks for the link Michael! I had no idea there was a link. I’m of the opinion 
that more information is always better than less information. 

Cheers,
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I second Patrick's motion for a presumption of goodness.

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 4:57:02 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Michael is a long time list member and is not disingenuious, nor was this 
> headline disingenuous. Let’s give each other a presumption of goodness 
> please. cf: Crankypants. 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/KlcD_BC8sLw 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Deacon Patrick]

Michael is a long time list member and is not disingenuious, nor was this 
headline disingenuous. Let’s give each other a presumption of goodness please. 
cf: Crankypants. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/KlcD_BC8sLw

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Daniel D.]

Just give it an honest title, why be disingenuous?

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 1:48:48 PM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> First, I did not introduce an irrelevant political topic, at least not any 
> more than a discussion of say AAA's opposition to bike lanes might be 
> considered outside the bounds of this group.  Second,  I did not explicitly 
> ask anyone to accept my political position, or for that matter did I even 
> state it.  I simply offered information to be considered.  Third, my 
> posting title may have lead some to jump to false assumptions if they were 
> only considering their own safety. Finally, yes, one can construct an 
> argument that my post was outside the bounds of this lists, but one would 
> then have to also exclude everything GP has written about helmets and 
> clothes.  I can remember many lengthy threads on this list about diets, 
> about which we do not agree, and have nothing to do with RBW, other than 
> GPs espousal.  I am not asking for a discussion, I simply inform you where 
> your money goes when you buy Bell or Giro helmets.  
>
> Michael
>  
>
> On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 12:22:54 PM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> Nothing wrong with the helments, so yeah, misleading title.  Clickbait, 
>> even.  As for the rest of it, this is not a political forum. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:57:25 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Before you buy your next helmet you should consider this:
>>> https://www.bikebiz.com/news/anti-gun-bike-brand-boycott
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Steve Palincsar]

And one this really is for sure: Michael's post is classic clickbait.


On 02/23/2018 05:08 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

Michael, I understand what you are saying, but your title of “Unsafe helmets” 
does give your position. You see helmets by those brands as “unsafe” because 
they are subsidiarities of gun companies. Only someone with a gun-control 
position would call that “unsafe.” The opposite arguement can also be made, by 
concieled carry folks, that these are “safe” helmets because they are 
subsidiarities of gun companies. And my just naming those two extremes, without 
delving into nuanced positions between or off the line on the X,Y, or Z axis of 
a 3-d grid can artifically limit understanding to a false polarity. Sigh. 
Unintended consequences are a bug-a-boo, aye? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick



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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Deacon Patrick]

Michael, I understand what you are saying, but your title of “Unsafe helmets” 
does give your position. You see helmets by those brands as “unsafe” because 
they are subsidiarities of gun companies. Only someone with a gun-control 
position would call that “unsafe.” The opposite arguement can also be made, by 
concieled carry folks, that these are “safe” helmets because they are 
subsidiarities of gun companies. And my just naming those two extremes, without 
delving into nuanced positions between or off the line on the X,Y, or Z axis of 
a 3-d grid can artifically limit understanding to a false polarity. Sigh. 
Unintended consequences are a bug-a-boo, aye? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Michael Hechmer]

First, I did not introduce an irrelevant political topic, at least not any 
more than a discussion of say AAA's opposition to bike lanes might be 
considered outside the bounds of this group.  Second,  I did not explicitly 
ask anyone to accept my political position, or for that matter did I even 
state it.  I simply offered information to be considered.  Third, my 
posting title may have lead some to jump to false assumptions if they were 
only considering their own safety. Finally, yes, one can construct an 
argument that my post was outside the bounds of this lists, but one would 
then have to also exclude everything GP has written about helmets and 
clothes.  I can remember many lengthy threads on this list about diets, 
about which we do not agree, and have nothing to do with RBW, other than 
GPs espousal.  I am not asking for a discussion, I simply inform you where 
your money goes when you buy Bell or Giro helmets.  

Michael
 

On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 12:22:54 PM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> Nothing wrong with the helments, so yeah, misleading title.  Clickbait, 
> even.  As for the rest of it, this is not a political forum. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:57:25 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> Before you buy your next helmet you should consider this:
>> https://www.bikebiz.com/news/anti-gun-bike-brand-boycott
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Wayne Naha]

Nothing wrong with the helments, so yeah, misleading title.  Clickbait, 
even.  As for the rest of it, this is not a political forum. 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:57:25 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Before you buy your next helmet you should consider this:
> https://www.bikebiz.com/news/anti-gun-bike-brand-boycott
>

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Kenneth Cote]

Good to know. Pursue elsewhere?


On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 3:57:25 PM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Before you buy your next helmet you should consider this:
> https://www.bikebiz.com/news/anti-gun-bike-brand-boycott
>

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