Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Justin Kennedy]

It's a beauty! And in good hands. 

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 9:07:33 AM UTC-4 J Schwartz wrote:

> If Justin ever wants his old Chev frame back, he knows where to find me 😉
> [image: IMG_0441 2.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 1:43:06 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> James said likely October before the new ones are in. They're coming in 
>> Sergio Green and Dark Gold, both frames and completes. Unclear specs on the 
>> latter but maybe something similar to Clem completes? I'm going to switch 
>> most of the components from my Clem for the build. Hopefully some pics to 
>> share soon. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 1:30:55 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I for one, am glad to hear it. Waiting for the next round of 
>>> Platypuses is probably going to take too long, and it’s still riding season 
>>> NOW. So, I’m thrilled for you and I hope you will post photos and give us 
>>> your thorough review!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2023, at 9:52 AM, Justin Kennedy  wrote:
>>>
>>> Ended up ordering that 60cm Platy from C&L. Will keep you posted with 
>>> the build etc. Selling my Clem to a friend. Cheers everyone. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:23:53 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>>>
 Love those green Cheviuts, something about the blue accents really 
 works.

 Justin, best of luck with your search!

 jared

 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: 12817569245_6446d68d56_b.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:39:12 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> That Cheviot is HOT! That bike had one of the best headbadges.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As far as club rides are concerned for and with the Clem, I would 
>>> say yes, if most everyone in the group is moving at a slow pace. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:28:51 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 @Doug - I share with you in very similar view points, regarding 
 riding my Clem, too. I ride solo. I am not in a big hurry to get where 
 I am 
 going. I enjoy the ride. Yes, it is a heavy bike. I do not know how 
 much it 
 weighs. However, I am not bothered by the weight, because of it is 
 truly 
 the most comfortable bicycle for me as a senior cyclist; an upright 
 riding 
 position, low gears, a long wheelbase, stable handling and the Bosco 
 bars 
 are most ideal. 

 For the record, I have no other experience riding any other 
 Rivendell bicycles to compare my Clem with. I do not feel the need to, 
 because my Clem suits my needs extraordinarily well. 
 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 

 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:58:55 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost 
> exclusively solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. 
> Leah 
> has ridden both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has 
> credibility to me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem 
> better 
> which is obviously the most subjective take one can make between two 
> bicycles. Me and ole Clem just mosey down the road and whatever speed 
> is 
> comfortable and have a jolly ole time doing it.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Johnny, 
>>
>> Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have 
>> similar builds (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of 
>> the 
>> equation. The frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed 
>> pavement-oriented bike patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite 
>> sure 
>> she's right that head to head the Platy is going to be a bit easier 
>> to push 
>> hard in a group, and it doesn't have to be a major difference to be 
>> the 
>> difference between keeping up and feeling like you're struggling in 
>> a group 
>> of carbon dropbar bikes. Which I think is all she's saying, it's her 
>> opinion from her experience. Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock 
>> yourself 
>> out! It's just an opinion from someone who owns both bikes. 
>>
>> Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is 
>>> not really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you 
>>> don't 
>>> have it dec

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Justin Kennedy]

James said likely October before the new ones are in. They're coming in 
Sergio Green and Dark Gold, both frames and completes. Unclear specs on the 
latter but maybe something similar to Clem completes? I'm going to switch 
most of the components from my Clem for the build. Hopefully some pics to 
share soon. 

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 1:30:55 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Well, I for one, am glad to hear it. Waiting for the next round of 
> Platypuses is probably going to take too long, and it’s still riding season 
> NOW. So, I’m thrilled for you and I hope you will post photos and give us 
> your thorough review!
> Leah
>
> On Aug 10, 2023, at 9:52 AM, Justin Kennedy  wrote:
>
> Ended up ordering that 60cm Platy from C&L. Will keep you posted with the 
> build etc. Selling my Clem to a friend. Cheers everyone. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:23:53 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Love those green Cheviuts, something about the blue accents really works.
>>
>> Justin, best of luck with your search!
>>
>> jared
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 12817569245_6446d68d56_b.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:39:12 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 That Cheviot is HOT! That bike had one of the best headbadges.

 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> As far as club rides are concerned for and with the Clem, I would say 
> yes, if most everyone in the group is moving at a slow pace. 
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:28:51 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Doug - I share with you in very similar view points, regarding 
>> riding my Clem, too. I ride solo. I am not in a big hurry to get where I 
>> am 
>> going. I enjoy the ride. Yes, it is a heavy bike. I do not know how much 
>> it 
>> weighs. However, I am not bothered by the weight, because of it is truly 
>> the most comfortable bicycle for me as a senior cyclist; an upright 
>> riding 
>> position, low gears, a long wheelbase, stable handling and the Bosco 
>> bars 
>> are most ideal. 
>>
>> For the record, I have no other experience riding any other Rivendell 
>> bicycles to compare my Clem with. I do not feel the need to, because my 
>> Clem suits my needs extraordinarily well. 
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:58:55 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost 
>>> exclusively solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. 
>>> Leah 
>>> has ridden both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has 
>>> credibility to me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem better 
>>> which is obviously the most subjective take one can make between two 
>>> bicycles. Me and ole Clem just mosey down the road and whatever speed 
>>> is 
>>> comfortable and have a jolly ole time doing it.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Johnny, 

 Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar 
 builds (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the 
 equation. 
 The frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed 
 pavement-oriented 
 bike patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right 
 that 
 head to head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a 
 group, 
 and it doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference 
 between 
 keeping up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon 
 dropbar 
 bikes. Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her 
 experience. Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's 
 just 
 an opinion from someone who owns both bikes. 

 Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is 
> not really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you 
> don't 
> have it decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides 
> I 
> would lose the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, 
> even 
> lighter wheels (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that 
> can be 
> pretty light but I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes 
> because 
> they focus on really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do 
> you 
> have lights on it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Leah Peterson]

Well, I for one, am glad to hear it. Waiting for the next round of Platypuses is probably going to take too long, and it’s still riding season NOW. So, I’m thrilled for you and I hope you will post photos and give us your thorough review!LeahOn Aug 10, 2023, at 9:52 AM, Justin Kennedy  wrote:Ended up ordering that 60cm Platy from C&L. Will keep you posted with the build etc. Selling my Clem to a friend. Cheers everyone. On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:23:53 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:Love those green Cheviuts, something about the blue accents really works.Justin, best of luck with your search!jaredOn Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:39:12 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:That Cheviot is HOT! That bike had one of the best headbadges.On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:As far as club rides are concerned for and with the Clem, I would say yes, if most everyone in the group is moving at a slow pace. Kim Hetzel. On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:28:51 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:@Doug - I share with you in very similar view points, regarding riding my Clem, too. I ride solo. I am not in a big hurry to get where I am going. 
I enjoy the ride. Yes, it is a heavy bike.
I do not know how much it weighs.

However, I am not bothered by the weight, because of it is truly the most comfortable bicycle for me as a senior cyclist; an upright riding position, low gears, a long wheelbase, stable handling and the Bosco bars are most ideal. For the record, I have no other experience riding any other Rivendell bicycles to compare my Clem with. I do not feel the need to, because my Clem suits my needs extraordinarily well. Kim HetzelYelm, WA. On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:58:55 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost exclusively solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. Leah has ridden both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has credibility to me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem better which is obviously the most subjective take one can make between two bicycles. Me and ole Clem just mosey down the road and whatever speed is comfortable and have a jolly ole time doing it.DougOn Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:Johnny, Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar builds (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the equation. The frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed pavement-oriented bike patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right that head to head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a group, and it doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference between keeping up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon dropbar bikes. Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her experience. Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's just an opinion from someone who owns both bikes. Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! Joe Bernard On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is not really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you don't have it decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides I would lose the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, even lighter wheels (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that can be pretty light but I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes because they focus on really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do you have lights on it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are there. And at the end of the day you would still have a slack geometry and LONG wheelbase thats not typical go fast geometry. And none of that is being critical because you know its not ideal in fact I always took your point in all of to be that any good bike can be used for that if you want to. There is not a world of difference between a Platy and a Clem. The biggest thing is the beauty of the frame and the lugs. I don't doubt you felt a difference but there are lots of factors that could be coming in to play. People tend to put robust wheels on Clems because they are a workhorse and a commuter and they treat it as such and tires make sure a huge difference. But it could be many things.I have light supple wheels set up tubeless on mine with a good wheelset and I can feel the geometry difference between it and my road focused Gallop more than anything else. But the geometry difference between the Platy and Clem is not that extreme. It was built to be lugless and affordable not necessarily more robust (although I am sure to a degree it is). I would be shocked if there was any major weight difference between the two frames when stripped down.On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:19:02 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I can be shocking! But I had

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Justin Kennedy]

Ended up ordering that 60cm Platy from C&L. Will keep you posted with the 
build etc. Selling my Clem to a friend. Cheers everyone. 

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:23:53 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:

> Love those green Cheviuts, something about the blue accents really works.
>
> Justin, best of luck with your search!
>
> jared
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: 12817569245_6446d68d56_b.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:39:12 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> That Cheviot is HOT! That bike had one of the best headbadges.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 As far as club rides are concerned for and with the Clem, I would say 
 yes, if most everyone in the group is moving at a slow pace. 

 Kim Hetzel. 

 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:28:51 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> @Doug - I share with you in very similar view points, regarding riding 
> my Clem, too. I ride solo. I am not in a big hurry to get where I am 
> going. 
> I enjoy the ride. Yes, it is a heavy bike. I do not know how much it 
> weighs. However, I am not bothered by the weight, because of it is truly 
> the most comfortable bicycle for me as a senior cyclist; an upright 
> riding 
> position, low gears, a long wheelbase, stable handling and the Bosco bars 
> are most ideal. 
>
> For the record, I have no other experience riding any other Rivendell 
> bicycles to compare my Clem with. I do not feel the need to, because my 
> Clem suits my needs extraordinarily well. 
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:58:55 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost 
>> exclusively solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. 
>> Leah 
>> has ridden both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has 
>> credibility to me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem better 
>> which is obviously the most subjective take one can make between two 
>> bicycles. Me and ole Clem just mosey down the road and whatever speed is 
>> comfortable and have a jolly ole time doing it.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny, 
>>>
>>> Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar 
>>> builds (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the 
>>> equation. 
>>> The frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed pavement-oriented 
>>> bike patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right that 
>>> head to head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a 
>>> group, 
>>> and it doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference 
>>> between 
>>> keeping up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon 
>>> dropbar 
>>> bikes. Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her 
>>> experience. Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's 
>>> just 
>>> an opinion from someone who owns both bikes. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is not 
 really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you don't 
 have 
 it decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides I 
 would 
 lose the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, even 
 lighter 
 wheels (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that can be 
 pretty 
 light but I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes because 
 they 
 focus on really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do you 
 have 
 lights on it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are there. 
 And at 
 the end of the day you would still have a slack geometry and LONG 
 wheelbase 
 thats not typical go fast geometry. And none of that is being critical 
 because you know its not ideal in fact I always took your point in all 
 of 
 to be that any good bike can be used for that if you want to. There is 
 not 
 a world of difference between a Platy and a Clem. The biggest thing is 
 the 
 beauty of the frame and the lugs. I don't doubt you felt a difference 
 but 
 there are lots of factors that could be coming in to play. People tend 
 to 
 put robust wheels on Clems because they are a workhorse and a commuter 
 and 
 they treat it as such and tires make sure a huge difference. But it 
 coul

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[jaredwilson]

Love those green Cheviuts, something about the blue accents really works.

Justin, best of luck with your search!

jared

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:06:34 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: 12817569245_6446d68d56_b.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:39:12 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> That Cheviot is HOT! That bike had one of the best headbadges.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> As far as club rides are concerned for and with the Clem, I would say 
>>> yes, if most everyone in the group is moving at a slow pace. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:28:51 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 @Doug - I share with you in very similar view points, regarding riding 
 my Clem, too. I ride solo. I am not in a big hurry to get where I am 
 going. 
 I enjoy the ride. Yes, it is a heavy bike. I do not know how much it 
 weighs. However, I am not bothered by the weight, because of it is truly 
 the most comfortable bicycle for me as a senior cyclist; an upright riding 
 position, low gears, a long wheelbase, stable handling and the Bosco bars 
 are most ideal. 

 For the record, I have no other experience riding any other Rivendell 
 bicycles to compare my Clem with. I do not feel the need to, because my 
 Clem suits my needs extraordinarily well. 
 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 

 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:58:55 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost 
> exclusively solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. Leah 
> has ridden both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has 
> credibility to me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem better 
> which is obviously the most subjective take one can make between two 
> bicycles. Me and ole Clem just mosey down the road and whatever speed is 
> comfortable and have a jolly ole time doing it.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Johnny, 
>>
>> Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar 
>> builds (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the 
>> equation. 
>> The frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed pavement-oriented 
>> bike patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right that 
>> head to head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a 
>> group, 
>> and it doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference 
>> between 
>> keeping up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon 
>> dropbar 
>> bikes. Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her 
>> experience. Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's 
>> just 
>> an opinion from someone who owns both bikes. 
>>
>> Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is not 
>>> really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you don't 
>>> have 
>>> it decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides I would 
>>> lose the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, even 
>>> lighter 
>>> wheels (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that can be 
>>> pretty 
>>> light but I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes because 
>>> they 
>>> focus on really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do you 
>>> have 
>>> lights on it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are there. And 
>>> at 
>>> the end of the day you would still have a slack geometry and LONG 
>>> wheelbase 
>>> thats not typical go fast geometry. And none of that is being critical 
>>> because you know its not ideal in fact I always took your point in all 
>>> of 
>>> to be that any good bike can be used for that if you want to. There is 
>>> not 
>>> a world of difference between a Platy and a Clem. The biggest thing is 
>>> the 
>>> beauty of the frame and the lugs. I don't doubt you felt a difference 
>>> but 
>>> there are lots of factors that could be coming in to play. People tend 
>>> to 
>>> put robust wheels on Clems because they are a workhorse and a commuter 
>>> and 
>>> they treat it as such and tires make sure a huge difference. But it 
>>> could 
>>> be many things.
>>>
>>> I have light supple wheels set up tubeless on mine with a good 
>>> wheelset and I can feel the geometry difference between it and my road 
>>> focused Gallop more than anything else. But the geometry difference 
>>> between 
>>> the Platy and Clem is not that extreme. It was 

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Johnny Alien]

That Cheviot is HOT! That bike had one of the best headbadges.

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> As far as club rides are concerned for and with the Clem, I would say yes, 
> if most everyone in the group is moving at a slow pace. 
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:28:51 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Doug - I share with you in very similar view points, regarding riding my 
>> Clem, too. I ride solo. I am not in a big hurry to get where I am going. I 
>> enjoy the ride. Yes, it is a heavy bike. I do not know how much it weighs. 
>> However, I am not bothered by the weight, because of it is truly the most 
>> comfortable bicycle for me as a senior cyclist; an upright riding position, 
>> low gears, a long wheelbase, stable handling and the Bosco bars are most 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> For the record, I have no other experience riding any other Rivendell 
>> bicycles to compare my Clem with. I do not feel the need to, because my 
>> Clem suits my needs extraordinarily well. 
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:58:55 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost 
>>> exclusively solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. Leah 
>>> has ridden both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has 
>>> credibility to me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem better 
>>> which is obviously the most subjective take one can make between two 
>>> bicycles. Me and ole Clem just mosey down the road and whatever speed is 
>>> comfortable and have a jolly ole time doing it.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Johnny, 

 Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar 
 builds (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the equation. 
 The frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed pavement-oriented 
 bike patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right that 
 head to head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a 
 group, 
 and it doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference between 
 keeping up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon dropbar 
 bikes. Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her 
 experience. Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's just 
 an opinion from someone who owns both bikes. 

 Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is not 
> really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you don't 
> have 
> it decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides I would 
> lose the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, even lighter 
> wheels (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that can be pretty 
> light but I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes because they 
> focus on really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do you have 
> lights on it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are there. And 
> at 
> the end of the day you would still have a slack geometry and LONG 
> wheelbase 
> thats not typical go fast geometry. And none of that is being critical 
> because you know its not ideal in fact I always took your point in all of 
> to be that any good bike can be used for that if you want to. There is 
> not 
> a world of difference between a Platy and a Clem. The biggest thing is 
> the 
> beauty of the frame and the lugs. I don't doubt you felt a difference but 
> there are lots of factors that could be coming in to play. People tend to 
> put robust wheels on Clems because they are a workhorse and a commuter 
> and 
> they treat it as such and tires make sure a huge difference. But it could 
> be many things.
>
> I have light supple wheels set up tubeless on mine with a good 
> wheelset and I can feel the geometry difference between it and my road 
> focused Gallop more than anything else. But the geometry difference 
> between 
> the Platy and Clem is not that extreme. It was built to be lugless and 
> affordable not necessarily more robust (although I am sure to a degree it 
> is). I would be shocked if there was any major weight difference between 
> the two frames when stripped down.
>
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:19:02 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I can be shocking! But I had my blue Clem as my only Riv for a long 
>> time, and I had it set up as best I could with light parts and wheels 
>> and 
>> tires and still I was exhausted riding it at speed and up hills. The 
>> Platy 
>> so

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Kim H.]

As far as club rides are concerned for and with the Clem, I would say yes, 
if most everyone in the group is moving at a slow pace. 

Kim Hetzel. 

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:28:51 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> @Doug - I share with you in very similar view points, regarding riding my 
> Clem, too. I ride solo. I am not in a big hurry to get where I am going. I 
> enjoy the ride. Yes, it is a heavy bike. I do not know how much it weighs. 
> However, I am not bothered by the weight, because of it is truly the most 
> comfortable bicycle for me as a senior cyclist; an upright riding position, 
> low gears, a long wheelbase, stable handling and the Bosco bars are most 
> ideal. 
>
> For the record, I have no other experience riding any other Rivendell 
> bicycles to compare my Clem with. I do not feel the need to, because my 
> Clem suits my needs extraordinarily well. 
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:58:55 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost exclusively 
>> solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. Leah has ridden 
>> both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has credibility to 
>> me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem better which is obviously 
>> the most subjective take one can make between two bicycles. Me and ole Clem 
>> just mosey down the road and whatever speed is comfortable and have a jolly 
>> ole time doing it.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny, 
>>>
>>> Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar 
>>> builds (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the equation. 
>>> The frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed pavement-oriented 
>>> bike patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right that 
>>> head to head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a group, 
>>> and it doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference between 
>>> keeping up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon dropbar 
>>> bikes. Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her 
>>> experience. Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's just 
>>> an opinion from someone who owns both bikes. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is not 
 really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you don't have 
 it decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides I would 
 lose the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, even lighter 
 wheels (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that can be pretty 
 light but I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes because they 
 focus on really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do you have 
 lights on it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are there. And at 
 the end of the day you would still have a slack geometry and LONG 
 wheelbase 
 thats not typical go fast geometry. And none of that is being critical 
 because you know its not ideal in fact I always took your point in all of 
 to be that any good bike can be used for that if you want to. There is not 
 a world of difference between a Platy and a Clem. The biggest thing is the 
 beauty of the frame and the lugs. I don't doubt you felt a difference but 
 there are lots of factors that could be coming in to play. People tend to 
 put robust wheels on Clems because they are a workhorse and a commuter and 
 they treat it as such and tires make sure a huge difference. But it could 
 be many things.

 I have light supple wheels set up tubeless on mine with a good wheelset 
 and I can feel the geometry difference between it and my road focused 
 Gallop more than anything else. But the geometry difference between the 
 Platy and Clem is not that extreme. It was built to be lugless and 
 affordable not necessarily more robust (although I am sure to a degree it 
 is). I would be shocked if there was any major weight difference between 
 the two frames when stripped down.

 On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:19:02 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> I can be shocking! But I had my blue Clem as my only Riv for a long 
> time, and I had it set up as best I could with light parts and wheels and 
> tires and still I was exhausted riding it at speed and up hills. The 
> Platy 
> solved that for me, and I had light parts on both and had Analog build 
> both 
> wheelsets. 
>
> I tried the Clem for a club ride and I’m not lying when I say it taxed 
> me. My heart beat so fast with the work I was putting in that I was 
> throwing PACs. Now, I

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Ryan]

Justin...not a Platy but would the recently posted 60cm Chev work?

60 Cheviot frame in Austin

https://austin.craigslist.org/bik/d/austin-60cm-rivendell-cheviot-frame/7636520917.html
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On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 6:28:51 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Doug - I share with you in very similar view points, regarding riding my 
> Clem, too. I ride solo. I am not in a big hurry to get where I am going. I 
> enjoy the ride. Yes, it is a heavy bike. I do not know how much it weighs. 
> However, I am not bothered by the weight, because of it is truly the most 
> comfortable bicycle for me as a senior cyclist; an upright riding position, 
> low gears, a long wheelbase, stable handling and the Bosco bars are most 
> ideal. 
>
> For the record, I have no other experience riding any other Rivendell 
> bicycles to compare my Clem with. I do not feel the need to, because my 
> Clem suits my needs extraordinarily well. 
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:58:55 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost exclusively 
>> solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. Leah has ridden 
>> both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has credibility to 
>> me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem better which is obviously 
>> the most subjective take one can make between two bicycles. Me and ole Clem 
>> just mosey down the road and whatever speed is comfortable and have a jolly 
>> ole time doing it.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny, 
>>>
>>> Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar 
>>> builds (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the equation. 
>>> The frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed pavement-oriented 
>>> bike patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right that 
>>> head to head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a group, 
>>> and it doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference between 
>>> keeping up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon dropbar 
>>> bikes. Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her 
>>> experience. Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's just 
>>> an opinion from someone who owns both bikes. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is not 
 really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you don't have 
 it decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides I would 
 lose the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, even lighter 
 wheels (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that can be pretty 
 light but I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes because they 
 focus on really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do you have 
 lights on it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are there. And at 
 the end of the day you would still have a slack geometry and LONG 
 wheelbase 
 thats not typical go fast geometry. And none of that is being critical 
 because you know its not ideal in fact I always took your point in all of 
 to be that any good bike can be used for that if you want to. There is not 
 a world of difference between a Platy and a Clem. The biggest thing is the 
 beauty of the frame and the lugs. I don't doubt you felt a difference but 
 there are lots of factors that could be coming in to play. People tend to 
 put robust wheels on Clems because they are a workhorse and a commuter and 
 they treat it as such and tires make sure a huge difference. But it could 
 be many things.

 I have light supple wheels set up tubeless on mine with a good wheelset 
 and I can feel the geometry difference between it and my road focused 
 Gallop more than anything else. But the geometry difference between the 
 Platy and Clem is not that extreme. It was built to be lugless and 
 affordable not necessarily more robust (although I am sure to a degree it 
 is). I would be shocked if there was any major weight difference between 
 the two frames when stripped down.

 On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:19:02 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> I can be shocking! But I had my blue Clem as my only Riv for a long 
> time, and I had it set up as best I could with light parts and wheels and 
> tires and still I was exhausted riding it at speed and up hills. The 
> Platy 
> solved that for me, and I had light parts on both and had Analog build 
> both 
> wheelsets. 
>
> I tried the Clem for a club ride and I’m not lying when I say it taxed 
> me. My h

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Kim H.]

@Doug - I share with you in very similar view points, regarding riding my 
Clem, too. I ride solo. I am not in a big hurry to get where I am going. I 
enjoy the ride. Yes, it is a heavy bike. I do not know how much it weighs. 
However, I am not bothered by the weight, because of it is truly the most 
comfortable bicycle for me as a senior cyclist; an upright riding position, 
low gears, a long wheelbase, stable handling and the Bosco bars are most 
ideal. 

For the record, I have no other experience riding any other Rivendell 
bicycles to compare my Clem with. I do not feel the need to, because my 
Clem suits my needs extraordinarily well. 
Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:58:55 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost exclusively 
> solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. Leah has ridden 
> both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has credibility to 
> me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem better which is obviously 
> the most subjective take one can make between two bicycles. Me and ole Clem 
> just mosey down the road and whatever speed is comfortable and have a jolly 
> ole time doing it.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Johnny, 
>>
>> Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar 
>> builds (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the equation. 
>> The frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed pavement-oriented 
>> bike patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right that 
>> head to head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a group, 
>> and it doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference between 
>> keeping up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon dropbar 
>> bikes. Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her 
>> experience. Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's just 
>> an opinion from someone who owns both bikes. 
>>
>> Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is not 
>>> really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you don't have 
>>> it decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides I would 
>>> lose the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, even lighter 
>>> wheels (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that can be pretty 
>>> light but I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes because they 
>>> focus on really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do you have 
>>> lights on it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are there. And at 
>>> the end of the day you would still have a slack geometry and LONG wheelbase 
>>> thats not typical go fast geometry. And none of that is being critical 
>>> because you know its not ideal in fact I always took your point in all of 
>>> to be that any good bike can be used for that if you want to. There is not 
>>> a world of difference between a Platy and a Clem. The biggest thing is the 
>>> beauty of the frame and the lugs. I don't doubt you felt a difference but 
>>> there are lots of factors that could be coming in to play. People tend to 
>>> put robust wheels on Clems because they are a workhorse and a commuter and 
>>> they treat it as such and tires make sure a huge difference. But it could 
>>> be many things.
>>>
>>> I have light supple wheels set up tubeless on mine with a good wheelset 
>>> and I can feel the geometry difference between it and my road focused 
>>> Gallop more than anything else. But the geometry difference between the 
>>> Platy and Clem is not that extreme. It was built to be lugless and 
>>> affordable not necessarily more robust (although I am sure to a degree it 
>>> is). I would be shocked if there was any major weight difference between 
>>> the two frames when stripped down.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:19:02 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I can be shocking! But I had my blue Clem as my only Riv for a long 
 time, and I had it set up as best I could with light parts and wheels and 
 tires and still I was exhausted riding it at speed and up hills. The Platy 
 solved that for me, and I had light parts on both and had Analog build 
 both 
 wheelsets. 

 I tried the Clem for a club ride and I’m not lying when I say it taxed 
 me. My heart beat so fast with the work I was putting in that I was 
 throwing PACs. Now, I don’t know your demographics but for a 5’6” 128 lb 
 woman it was work to race that Clem around. There’s nothing lowly about a 
 Clem and I wouldn’t call the bike slow, either. But it’s not a club racer 
 by design, and I certainly couldn’t make it into one.

 On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:01 PM, Johnny Ali

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Johnny Alien]

Joe, I'm not disputing people's experiences. I believe them as told. I am 
just saying that the geometry is pretty darn similar. So I am not sure what 
would make one feel more "nimble" than another. None of Rivendell's bikes 
have the lightest of tubes. Its all spec'd to what they feel makes sense 
for the purpose of the bike. I always take it with a grain of salt when 
they one of them is more robust than another. Based on paper I don't see a 
real reason why a Platy would feel more nimble that a Clem. The biggest 
thing that might make a difference would be the wheelbase length and they 
are within an inch of each other. Both are pretty darn long. But I love all 
Riv's for what they are and am not trying to argue people's preferences. 
There is no wrong answer with their bikes.

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:58:55 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost exclusively 
> solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. Leah has ridden 
> both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has credibility to 
> me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem better which is obviously 
> the most subjective take one can make between two bicycles. Me and ole Clem 
> just mosey down the road and whatever speed is comfortable and have a jolly 
> ole time doing it.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Johnny, 
>>
>> Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar 
>> builds (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the equation. 
>> The frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed pavement-oriented 
>> bike patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right that 
>> head to head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a group, 
>> and it doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference between 
>> keeping up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon dropbar 
>> bikes. Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her 
>> experience. Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's just 
>> an opinion from someone who owns both bikes. 
>>
>> Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is not 
>>> really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you don't have 
>>> it decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides I would 
>>> lose the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, even lighter 
>>> wheels (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that can be pretty 
>>> light but I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes because they 
>>> focus on really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do you have 
>>> lights on it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are there. And at 
>>> the end of the day you would still have a slack geometry and LONG wheelbase 
>>> thats not typical go fast geometry. And none of that is being critical 
>>> because you know its not ideal in fact I always took your point in all of 
>>> to be that any good bike can be used for that if you want to. There is not 
>>> a world of difference between a Platy and a Clem. The biggest thing is the 
>>> beauty of the frame and the lugs. I don't doubt you felt a difference but 
>>> there are lots of factors that could be coming in to play. People tend to 
>>> put robust wheels on Clems because they are a workhorse and a commuter and 
>>> they treat it as such and tires make sure a huge difference. But it could 
>>> be many things.
>>>
>>> I have light supple wheels set up tubeless on mine with a good wheelset 
>>> and I can feel the geometry difference between it and my road focused 
>>> Gallop more than anything else. But the geometry difference between the 
>>> Platy and Clem is not that extreme. It was built to be lugless and 
>>> affordable not necessarily more robust (although I am sure to a degree it 
>>> is). I would be shocked if there was any major weight difference between 
>>> the two frames when stripped down.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:19:02 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I can be shocking! But I had my blue Clem as my only Riv for a long 
 time, and I had it set up as best I could with light parts and wheels and 
 tires and still I was exhausted riding it at speed and up hills. The Platy 
 solved that for me, and I had light parts on both and had Analog build 
 both 
 wheelsets. 

 I tried the Clem for a club ride and I’m not lying when I say it taxed 
 me. My heart beat so fast with the work I was putting in that I was 
 throwing PACs. Now, I don’t know your demographics but for a 5’6” 128 lb 
 woman it was work to race that Clem around. There’s nothing lowly about a 
 Clem and I wouldn’t call the bike slow, either. But it’s not a c

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Doug H.]

Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost exclusively 
solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. Leah has ridden 
both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has credibility to 
me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem better which is obviously 
the most subjective take one can make between two bicycles. Me and ole Clem 
just mosey down the road and whatever speed is comfortable and have a jolly 
ole time doing it.
Doug

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Johnny, 
>
> Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar builds 
> (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the equation. The 
> frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed pavement-oriented bike 
> patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right that head to 
> head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a group, and it 
> doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference between keeping 
> up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon dropbar bikes. 
> Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her experience. 
> Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's just an opinion 
> from someone who owns both bikes. 
>
> Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is not 
>> really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you don't have 
>> it decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides I would 
>> lose the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, even lighter 
>> wheels (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that can be pretty 
>> light but I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes because they 
>> focus on really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do you have 
>> lights on it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are there. And at 
>> the end of the day you would still have a slack geometry and LONG wheelbase 
>> thats not typical go fast geometry. And none of that is being critical 
>> because you know its not ideal in fact I always took your point in all of 
>> to be that any good bike can be used for that if you want to. There is not 
>> a world of difference between a Platy and a Clem. The biggest thing is the 
>> beauty of the frame and the lugs. I don't doubt you felt a difference but 
>> there are lots of factors that could be coming in to play. People tend to 
>> put robust wheels on Clems because they are a workhorse and a commuter and 
>> they treat it as such and tires make sure a huge difference. But it could 
>> be many things.
>>
>> I have light supple wheels set up tubeless on mine with a good wheelset 
>> and I can feel the geometry difference between it and my road focused 
>> Gallop more than anything else. But the geometry difference between the 
>> Platy and Clem is not that extreme. It was built to be lugless and 
>> affordable not necessarily more robust (although I am sure to a degree it 
>> is). I would be shocked if there was any major weight difference between 
>> the two frames when stripped down.
>>
>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:19:02 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can be shocking! But I had my blue Clem as my only Riv for a long 
>>> time, and I had it set up as best I could with light parts and wheels and 
>>> tires and still I was exhausted riding it at speed and up hills. The Platy 
>>> solved that for me, and I had light parts on both and had Analog build both 
>>> wheelsets. 
>>>
>>> I tried the Clem for a club ride and I’m not lying when I say it taxed 
>>> me. My heart beat so fast with the work I was putting in that I was 
>>> throwing PACs. Now, I don’t know your demographics but for a 5’6” 128 lb 
>>> woman it was work to race that Clem around. There’s nothing lowly about a 
>>> Clem and I wouldn’t call the bike slow, either. But it’s not a club racer 
>>> by design, and I certainly couldn’t make it into one.
>>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:01 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am shocked Leahas someone who regularly takes a bike with extra 
>>> weight and a non-ideal gear ranges on club rides I think its unfair to 
>>> label the Clem as not suitable for the same. I (personally) would probably 
>>> make changes to a Platy set up as such before using it for club rides but 
>>> YES as we have seen it can be used for that. I stand by the fact that 
>>> people just setup Clems differently and that leads to the whole "heavy and 
>>> not as nimble" thought. Riv geometry is Riv geometry and there is nothing 
>>> specific that makes the Platy majorly different other than how people treat 
>>> them and adorn them. Personally I prefer the greater stepoverability of the 
>>> Clem but I DO understand the reason why it gets labeled as lowly and slow. 
>>> I just don't agree.

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

Johnny, 

Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar builds 
(including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the equation. The 
frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed pavement-oriented bike 
patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right that head to 
head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a group, and it 
doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference between keeping 
up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon dropbar bikes. 
Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her experience. 
Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's just an opinion 
from someone who owns both bikes. 

Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:47:19 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is not really 
> a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you don't have it 
> decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides I would lose 
> the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, even lighter wheels 
> (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that can be pretty light but 
> I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes because they focus on 
> really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do you have lights on 
> it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are there. And at the end of 
> the day you would still have a slack geometry and LONG wheelbase thats not 
> typical go fast geometry. And none of that is being critical because you 
> know its not ideal in fact I always took your point in all of to be that 
> any good bike can be used for that if you want to. There is not a world of 
> difference between a Platy and a Clem. The biggest thing is the beauty of 
> the frame and the lugs. I don't doubt you felt a difference but there are 
> lots of factors that could be coming in to play. People tend to put robust 
> wheels on Clems because they are a workhorse and a commuter and they treat 
> it as such and tires make sure a huge difference. But it could be many 
> things.
>
> I have light supple wheels set up tubeless on mine with a good wheelset 
> and I can feel the geometry difference between it and my road focused 
> Gallop more than anything else. But the geometry difference between the 
> Platy and Clem is not that extreme. It was built to be lugless and 
> affordable not necessarily more robust (although I am sure to a degree it 
> is). I would be shocked if there was any major weight difference between 
> the two frames when stripped down.
>
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:19:02 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I can be shocking! But I had my blue Clem as my only Riv for a long time, 
>> and I had it set up as best I could with light parts and wheels and tires 
>> and still I was exhausted riding it at speed and up hills. The Platy solved 
>> that for me, and I had light parts on both and had Analog build both 
>> wheelsets. 
>>
>> I tried the Clem for a club ride and I’m not lying when I say it taxed 
>> me. My heart beat so fast with the work I was putting in that I was 
>> throwing PACs. Now, I don’t know your demographics but for a 5’6” 128 lb 
>> woman it was work to race that Clem around. There’s nothing lowly about a 
>> Clem and I wouldn’t call the bike slow, either. But it’s not a club racer 
>> by design, and I certainly couldn’t make it into one.
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:01 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> I am shocked Leahas someone who regularly takes a bike with extra 
>> weight and a non-ideal gear ranges on club rides I think its unfair to 
>> label the Clem as not suitable for the same. I (personally) would probably 
>> make changes to a Platy set up as such before using it for club rides but 
>> YES as we have seen it can be used for that. I stand by the fact that 
>> people just setup Clems differently and that leads to the whole "heavy and 
>> not as nimble" thought. Riv geometry is Riv geometry and there is nothing 
>> specific that makes the Platy majorly different other than how people treat 
>> them and adorn them. Personally I prefer the greater stepoverability of the 
>> Clem but I DO understand the reason why it gets labeled as lowly and slow. 
>> I just don't agree.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:15:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> Doug, Well, I can tell you in earnest! Now, you know I’m on your side 
>>> about Clem-loving. I will never sell mine. But the Platy is more nimble and 
>>> fits me like a glove. I race it around on club rides. But I can also haul a 
>>> bunch of stuff with it. What can you not do with the Platy? Well, gravel 
>>> rides aren’t ideal, I suppose.  Also, I hardly ever see a Cheviot for sale. 
>>> I think people tend to keep the Rivendell mixtes. I’ve wondered why, but 
>>> that is a subject for another thread.
>>>
>>> The Cle

[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Sarah Carlson]

The matchmaker at work again!

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:18:26 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. But I’m so 
> curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to have a Cheviot. Are 
> you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I find the Platypus far 
> superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to looking…
> Leah
>
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:37:27 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Just throwing this out there in case anyone has a 60cm Platty frameset 
>> they're looking to unload or would be up for trading for my 64 Clem (in 
>> Lime Olive). Would pay $$ differential, of course. I love the Clem but got 
>> an itch for something a little different. 
>>
>> Let me know if you'd be interested in discussing, etc. Thanks!
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Johnny Alien]

Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is not really 
a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you don't have it 
decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides I would lose 
the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, even lighter wheels 
(I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that can be pretty light but 
I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes because they focus on 
really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do you have lights on 
it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are there. And at the end of 
the day you would still have a slack geometry and LONG wheelbase thats not 
typical go fast geometry. And none of that is being critical because you 
know its not ideal in fact I always took your point in all of to be that 
any good bike can be used for that if you want to. There is not a world of 
difference between a Platy and a Clem. The biggest thing is the beauty of 
the frame and the lugs. I don't doubt you felt a difference but there are 
lots of factors that could be coming in to play. People tend to put robust 
wheels on Clems because they are a workhorse and a commuter and they treat 
it as such and tires make sure a huge difference. But it could be many 
things.

I have light supple wheels set up tubeless on mine with a good wheelset and 
I can feel the geometry difference between it and my road focused Gallop 
more than anything else. But the geometry difference between the Platy and 
Clem is not that extreme. It was built to be lugless and affordable not 
necessarily more robust (although I am sure to a degree it is). I would be 
shocked if there was any major weight difference between the two frames 
when stripped down.

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:19:02 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I can be shocking! But I had my blue Clem as my only Riv for a long time, 
> and I had it set up as best I could with light parts and wheels and tires 
> and still I was exhausted riding it at speed and up hills. The Platy solved 
> that for me, and I had light parts on both and had Analog build both 
> wheelsets. 
>
> I tried the Clem for a club ride and I’m not lying when I say it taxed me. 
> My heart beat so fast with the work I was putting in that I was throwing 
> PACs. Now, I don’t know your demographics but for a 5’6” 128 lb woman it 
> was work to race that Clem around. There’s nothing lowly about a Clem and I 
> wouldn’t call the bike slow, either. But it’s not a club racer by design, 
> and I certainly couldn’t make it into one.
>
> On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:01 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> I am shocked Leahas someone who regularly takes a bike with extra 
> weight and a non-ideal gear ranges on club rides I think its unfair to 
> label the Clem as not suitable for the same. I (personally) would probably 
> make changes to a Platy set up as such before using it for club rides but 
> YES as we have seen it can be used for that. I stand by the fact that 
> people just setup Clems differently and that leads to the whole "heavy and 
> not as nimble" thought. Riv geometry is Riv geometry and there is nothing 
> specific that makes the Platy majorly different other than how people treat 
> them and adorn them. Personally I prefer the greater stepoverability of the 
> Clem but I DO understand the reason why it gets labeled as lowly and slow. 
> I just don't agree.
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:15:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> 
>> Doug, Well, I can tell you in earnest! Now, you know I’m on your side 
>> about Clem-loving. I will never sell mine. But the Platy is more nimble and 
>> fits me like a glove. I race it around on club rides. But I can also haul a 
>> bunch of stuff with it. What can you not do with the Platy? Well, gravel 
>> rides aren’t ideal, I suppose.  Also, I hardly ever see a Cheviot for sale. 
>> I think people tend to keep the Rivendell mixtes. I’ve wondered why, but 
>> that is a subject for another thread.
>>
>> The Clem is also good at many things on that list, excluding club riding. 
>>  That one time the Platy was in the shop and I took it to the club ride…I 
>> nearly died that day, astride my blue Clem…ah, memories.
>>
>> What do you think, Justin? You’ve had a Chev and a Clem…
>> L
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:56 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>>
>> What is it about the Platypus that relegates the Clem to not quite good 
>> enough? I ask in jest. I'm loving my Clem and if I bought a Platy it would 
>> have to be Clem plus one. I hope you find one in trade Justin but like Leah 
>> said it seems folks don't move on from a Platypus often.
>>
>> Doug 
>>
>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:40:49 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I love my blue Clem but dark green and orange sounds sooo nice.
>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:19:31 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>
 Yep and apparently they're doing completes, too? I'm not entirely sure 
 this is cor

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Leah Peterson]

I can be shocking! But I had my blue Clem as my only Riv for a long time, and I had it set up as best I could with light parts and wheels and tires and still I was exhausted riding it at speed and up hills. The Platy solved that for me, and I had light parts on both and had Analog build both wheelsets. I tried the Clem for a club ride and I’m not lying when I say it taxed me. My heart beat so fast with the work I was putting in that I was throwing PACs. Now, I don’t know your demographics but for a 5’6” 128 lb woman it was work to race that Clem around. There’s nothing lowly about a Clem and I wouldn’t call the bike slow, either. But it’s not a club racer by design, and I certainly couldn’t make it into one.On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:01 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:I am shocked Leahas someone who regularly takes a bike with extra weight and a non-ideal gear ranges on club rides I think its unfair to label the Clem as not suitable for the same. I (personally) would probably make changes to a Platy set up as such before using it for club rides but YES as we have seen it can be used for that. I stand by the fact that people just setup Clems differently and that leads to the whole "heavy and not as nimble" thought. Riv geometry is Riv geometry and there is nothing specific that makes the Platy majorly different other than how people treat them and adorn them. Personally I prefer the greater stepoverability of the Clem but I DO understand the reason why it gets labeled as lowly and slow. I just don't agree.On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:15:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Doug, Well, I can tell you in earnest! Now, you know I’m on your side about Clem-loving. I will never sell mine. But the Platy is more nimble and fits me like a glove. I race it around on club rides. But I can also haul a bunch of stuff with it. What can you not do with the Platy? Well, gravel rides aren’t ideal, I suppose.  Also, I hardly ever see a Cheviot for sale. I think people tend to keep the Rivendell mixtes. I’ve wondered why, but that is a subject for another thread.The Clem is also good at many things on that list, excluding club riding.  That one time the Platy was in the shop and I took it to the club ride…I nearly died that day, astride my blue Clem…ah, memories.What do you think, Justin? You’ve had a Chev and a Clem…LOn Jul 31, 2023, at 8:56 PM, Doug H.  wrote:What is it about the Platypus that relegates the Clem to not quite good enough? I ask in jest. I'm loving my Clem and if I bought a Platy it would have to be Clem plus one. I hope you find one in trade Justin but like Leah said it seems folks don't move on from a Platypus often.Doug On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:40:49 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:I love my blue Clem but dark green and orange sounds sooo nice.On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:19:31 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:Yep and apparently they're doing completes, too? I'm not entirely sure this is correct but I think James told me a few weeks ago that they're coming in Sergio Green. On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:03:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Are they coming in Sergio Green? I had heard silver and Ana Purple but that was many months ago. They maybe changed it. Do you know what the second color will be?Good luck with your search. I love a Platy above all else. I bet you don’t sell it, even in 2 years when you get the itch to try something new. ☺️On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:Thanks Leah. I saw that, but was hoping to get one at a used price or to trade. Otherwise, I may hold out until the Sergio Green plattys are released (September according to the most recent calendar?) Like I said, I love my Clem but yes, I miss the Cheviot and am itching for something a little different. I rode Will's platypus when I was there last summer and really dug it. Seems like every two years I need to change it up ;-)On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 2:25:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Justin, it says C&L has one in Canada. I’ve bought from them before, they are the loveliest people. Cadre Rivendell Platypus Step-Through Countrybike Frameclcycle.caLeah On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:18 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. But I’m so curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to have a Cheviot. Are you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I find the Platypus far superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to looking…LeahOn Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:37:27 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:Just throwing this out there in case anyone has a 60cm Platty frameset they're looking to unload or would be up for trading for my 64 Clem (in Lime Olive). Would pay $$ differential, of course. I love the Clem but got an itch for something a little different. Let me know if you'd be interested in discussing, etc. Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Johnny Alien]

I am shocked Leahas someone who regularly takes a bike with extra 
weight and a non-ideal gear ranges on club rides I think its unfair to 
label the Clem as not suitable for the same. I (personally) would probably 
make changes to a Platy set up as such before using it for club rides but 
YES as we have seen it can be used for that. I stand by the fact that 
people just setup Clems differently and that leads to the whole "heavy and 
not as nimble" thought. Riv geometry is Riv geometry and there is nothing 
specific that makes the Platy majorly different other than how people treat 
them and adorn them. Personally I prefer the greater stepoverability of the 
Clem but I DO understand the reason why it gets labeled as lowly and slow. 
I just don't agree.

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:15:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> 
> Doug, Well, I can tell you in earnest! Now, you know I’m on your side 
> about Clem-loving. I will never sell mine. But the Platy is more nimble and 
> fits me like a glove. I race it around on club rides. But I can also haul a 
> bunch of stuff with it. What can you not do with the Platy? Well, gravel 
> rides aren’t ideal, I suppose.  Also, I hardly ever see a Cheviot for sale. 
> I think people tend to keep the Rivendell mixtes. I’ve wondered why, but 
> that is a subject for another thread.
>
> The Clem is also good at many things on that list, excluding club riding. 
>  That one time the Platy was in the shop and I took it to the club ride…I 
> nearly died that day, astride my blue Clem…ah, memories.
>
> What do you think, Justin? You’ve had a Chev and a Clem…
> L
>
> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:56 PM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> What is it about the Platypus that relegates the Clem to not quite good 
> enough? I ask in jest. I'm loving my Clem and if I bought a Platy it would 
> have to be Clem plus one. I hope you find one in trade Justin but like Leah 
> said it seems folks don't move on from a Platypus often.
>
> Doug 
>
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:40:49 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I love my blue Clem but dark green and orange sounds sooo nice.
>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:19:31 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Yep and apparently they're doing completes, too? I'm not entirely sure 
>>> this is correct but I think James told me a few weeks ago that they're 
>>> coming in Sergio Green. 
>>> [image: Capture.PNG]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:03:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Are they coming in Sergio Green? I had heard silver and Ana Purple but 
 that was many months ago. They maybe changed it. Do you know what the 
 second color will be?
 Good luck with your search. I love a Platy above all else. I bet you 
 don’t sell it, even in 2 years when you get the itch to try something new. 
 ☺️

 On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Thanks Leah. I saw that, but was hoping to get one at a used price or 
> to trade. Otherwise, I may hold out until the Sergio Green plattys are 
> released (September according to the most recent calendar?) 
>
> Like I said, I love my Clem but yes, I miss the Cheviot and am itching 
> for something a little different. I rode Will's platypus when I was there 
> last summer and really dug it. Seems like every two years I need to 
> change 
> it up ;-)
>
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 2:25:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Justin, it says C&L has one in Canada. I’ve bought from them before, 
>> they are the loveliest people. 
>>
>> [image: rivendell-platypus-pride-o-the-cosmos-t-shirt.jpg]
>>
>> Cadre Rivendell Platypus Step-Through Countrybike Frame 
>> 
>> clcycle.ca 
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Leah 
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:18 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. But I’m 
>> so curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to have a Cheviot. 
>> Are 
>> you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I find the Platypus far 
>> superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to looking…
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:37:27 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Just throwing this out there in case anyone has a 60cm Platty 
>>> frameset they're looking to unload or would be up for trading for my 64 
>>> Clem (in Lime Olive). Would pay $$ differential, of course. I love the 
>>> Clem 
>>> but got an itch for something a little differ

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Leah Peterson]

Doug, Well, I can tell you in earnest! Now, you know I’m on your side about Clem-loving. I will never sell mine. But the Platy is more nimble and fits me like a glove. I race it around on club rides. But I can also haul a bunch of stuff with it. What can you not do with the Platy? Well, gravel rides aren’t ideal, I suppose.  Also, I hardly ever see a Cheviot for sale. I think people tend to keep the Rivendell mixtes. I’ve wondered why, but that is a subject for another thread.The Clem is also good at many things on that list, excluding club riding.  That one time the Platy was in the shop and I took it to the club ride…I nearly died that day, astride my blue Clem…ah, memories.What do you think, Justin? You’ve had a Chev and a Clem…LOn Jul 31, 2023, at 8:56 PM, Doug H.  wrote:What is it about the Platypus that relegates the Clem to not quite good enough? I ask in jest. I'm loving my Clem and if I bought a Platy it would have to be Clem plus one. I hope you find one in trade Justin but like Leah said it seems folks don't move on from a Platypus often.Doug On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:40:49 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:I love my blue Clem but dark green and orange sounds sooo nice.On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:19:31 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:Yep and apparently they're doing completes, too? I'm not entirely sure this is correct but I think James told me a few weeks ago that they're coming in Sergio Green. On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:03:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Are they coming in Sergio Green? I had heard silver and Ana Purple but that was many months ago. They maybe changed it. Do you know what the second color will be?Good luck with your search. I love a Platy above all else. I bet you don’t sell it, even in 2 years when you get the itch to try something new. ☺️On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:Thanks Leah. I saw that, but was hoping to get one at a used price or to trade. Otherwise, I may hold out until the Sergio Green plattys are released (September according to the most recent calendar?) Like I said, I love my Clem but yes, I miss the Cheviot and am itching for something a little different. I rode Will's platypus when I was there last summer and really dug it. Seems like every two years I need to change it up ;-)On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 2:25:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Justin, it says C&L has one in Canada. I’ve bought from them before, they are the loveliest people. Cadre Rivendell Platypus Step-Through Countrybike Frameclcycle.caLeah On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:18 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. But I’m so curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to have a Cheviot. Are you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I find the Platypus far superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to looking…LeahOn Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:37:27 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:Just throwing this out there in case anyone has a 60cm Platty frameset they're looking to unload or would be up for trading for my 64 Clem (in Lime Olive). Would pay $$ differential, of course. I love the Clem but got an itch for something a little different. Let me know if you'd be interested in discussing, etc. Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Doug H.]

What is it about the Platypus that relegates the Clem to not quite good 
enough? I ask in jest. I'm loving my Clem and if I bought a Platy it would 
have to be Clem plus one. I hope you find one in trade Justin but like Leah 
said it seems folks don't move on from a Platypus often.
Doug 

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:40:49 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I love my blue Clem but dark green and orange sounds sooo nice.
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:19:31 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Yep and apparently they're doing completes, too? I'm not entirely sure 
>> this is correct but I think James told me a few weeks ago that they're 
>> coming in Sergio Green. 
>> [image: Capture.PNG]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:03:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Are they coming in Sergio Green? I had heard silver and Ana Purple but 
>>> that was many months ago. They maybe changed it. Do you know what the 
>>> second color will be?
>>> Good luck with your search. I love a Platy above all else. I bet you 
>>> don’t sell it, even in 2 years when you get the itch to try something new. 
>>> ☺️
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Leah. I saw that, but was hoping to get one at a used price or 
 to trade. Otherwise, I may hold out until the Sergio Green plattys are 
 released (September according to the most recent calendar?) 

 Like I said, I love my Clem but yes, I miss the Cheviot and am itching 
 for something a little different. I rode Will's platypus when I was there 
 last summer and really dug it. Seems like every two years I need to change 
 it up ;-)

 On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 2:25:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Justin, it says C&L has one in Canada. I’ve bought from them before, 
> they are the loveliest people. 
>
> [image: rivendell-platypus-pride-o-the-cosmos-t-shirt.jpg]
>
> Cadre Rivendell Platypus Step-Through Countrybike Frame 
> 
> clcycle.ca 
> 
>
> 
>
> Leah 
>
> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:18 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. But I’m 
> so curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to have a Cheviot. 
> Are 
> you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I find the Platypus far 
> superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to looking…
>
> Leah
>
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:37:27 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Just throwing this out there in case anyone has a 60cm Platty 
>> frameset they're looking to unload or would be up for trading for my 64 
>> Clem (in Lime Olive). Would pay $$ differential, of course. I love the 
>> Clem 
>> but got an itch for something a little different. 
>>
>> Let me know if you'd be interested in discussing, etc. Thanks!
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Johnny Alien]

I love my blue Clem but dark green and orange sounds sooo nice.
On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:19:31 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Yep and apparently they're doing completes, too? I'm not entirely sure 
> this is correct but I think James told me a few weeks ago that they're 
> coming in Sergio Green. 
> [image: Capture.PNG]
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 4:03:58 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Are they coming in Sergio Green? I had heard silver and Ana Purple but 
>> that was many months ago. They maybe changed it. Do you know what the 
>> second color will be?
>> Good luck with your search. I love a Platy above all else. I bet you 
>> don’t sell it, even in 2 years when you get the itch to try something new. 
>> ☺️
>>
>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Leah. I saw that, but was hoping to get one at a used price or to 
>>> trade. Otherwise, I may hold out until the Sergio Green plattys are 
>>> released (September according to the most recent calendar?) 
>>>
>>> Like I said, I love my Clem but yes, I miss the Cheviot and am itching 
>>> for something a little different. I rode Will's platypus when I was there 
>>> last summer and really dug it. Seems like every two years I need to change 
>>> it up ;-)
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 2:25:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Justin, it says C&L has one in Canada. I’ve bought from them before, 
 they are the loveliest people. 

 [image: rivendell-platypus-pride-o-the-cosmos-t-shirt.jpg]

 Cadre Rivendell Platypus Step-Through Countrybike Frame 
 
 clcycle.ca 
 

 

 Leah 

 On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:18 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

 I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. But I’m so 
 curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to have a Cheviot. Are 
 you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I find the Platypus far 
 superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to looking…

 Leah

 On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:37:27 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Just throwing this out there in case anyone has a 60cm Platty frameset 
> they're looking to unload or would be up for trading for my 64 Clem (in 
> Lime Olive). Would pay $$ differential, of course. I love the Clem but 
> got 
> an itch for something a little different. 
>
> Let me know if you'd be interested in discussing, etc. Thanks!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Are they coming in Sergio Green? I had heard silver and Ana Purple but that 
was many months ago. They maybe changed it. Do you know what the second 
color will be?
Good luck with your search. I love a Platy above all else. I bet you don’t 
sell it, even in 2 years when you get the itch to try something new. ☺️

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 3:23:46 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Thanks Leah. I saw that, but was hoping to get one at a used price or to 
> trade. Otherwise, I may hold out until the Sergio Green plattys are 
> released (September according to the most recent calendar?) 
>
> Like I said, I love my Clem but yes, I miss the Cheviot and am itching for 
> something a little different. I rode Will's platypus when I was there last 
> summer and really dug it. Seems like every two years I need to change it up 
> ;-)
>
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 2:25:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Justin, it says C&L has one in Canada. I’ve bought from them before, they 
>> are the loveliest people. 
>>
>> [image: rivendell-platypus-pride-o-the-cosmos-t-shirt.jpg]
>>
>> Cadre Rivendell Platypus Step-Through Countrybike Frame 
>> 
>> clcycle.ca 
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Leah 
>>
>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:18 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. But I’m so 
>> curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to have a Cheviot. Are 
>> you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I find the Platypus far 
>> superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to looking…
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:37:27 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Just throwing this out there in case anyone has a 60cm Platty frameset 
>>> they're looking to unload or would be up for trading for my 64 Clem (in 
>>> Lime Olive). Would pay $$ differential, of course. I love the Clem but got 
>>> an itch for something a little different. 
>>>
>>> Let me know if you'd be interested in discussing, etc. Thanks!
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Justin Kennedy]

Thanks Leah. I saw that, but was hoping to get one at a used price or to 
trade. Otherwise, I may hold out until the Sergio Green plattys are 
released (September according to the most recent calendar?) 

Like I said, I love my Clem but yes, I miss the Cheviot and am itching for 
something a little different. I rode Will's platypus when I was there last 
summer and really dug it. Seems like every two years I need to change it up 
;-)

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 2:25:12 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> Justin, it says C&L has one in Canada. I’ve bought from them before, they 
> are the loveliest people. 
>
> [image: rivendell-platypus-pride-o-the-cosmos-t-shirt.jpg]
>
> Cadre Rivendell Platypus Step-Through Countrybike Frame 
> 
> clcycle.ca 
> 
>
> 
>
> Leah 
>
> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:18 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. But I’m so 
> curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to have a Cheviot. Are 
> you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I find the Platypus far 
> superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to looking…
>
> Leah
>
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:37:27 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Just throwing this out there in case anyone has a 60cm Platty frameset 
>> they're looking to unload or would be up for trading for my 64 Clem (in 
>> Lime Olive). Would pay $$ differential, of course. I love the Clem but got 
>> an itch for something a little different. 
>>
>> Let me know if you'd be interested in discussing, etc. Thanks!
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Leah Peterson]

Justin, it says C&L has one in Canada. I’ve bought from them before, they are the loveliest people. Cadre Rivendell Platypus Step-Through Countrybike Frameclcycle.caLeah On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:18 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. But I’m so curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to have a Cheviot. Are you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I find the Platypus far superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to looking…LeahOn Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:37:27 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:Just throwing this out there in case anyone has a 60cm Platty frameset they're looking to unload or would be up for trading for my 64 Clem (in Lime Olive). Would pay $$ differential, of course. I love the Clem but got an itch for something a little different. Let me know if you'd be interested in discussing, etc. Thanks!



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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. But I’m so 
curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to have a Cheviot. Are 
you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I find the Platypus far 
superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to looking…
Leah

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 9:37:27 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Just throwing this out there in case anyone has a 60cm Platty frameset 
> they're looking to unload or would be up for trading for my 64 Clem (in 
> Lime Olive). Would pay $$ differential, of course. I love the Clem but got 
> an itch for something a little different. 
>
> Let me know if you'd be interested in discussing, etc. Thanks!
>
>
>

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