Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Drw]

Also check thorogood, if going the mock toe route. Equal in quality to redwing, 
or at least were 4-5 years ago at a fraction of the price. I’ve actually have a 
thorogood pair that outlasted a redwing pair that is waiting for a resole.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Patrick Moore]

After mulling over the Oh! So many possibilities! I am now leaning hard
toward those Redwing Moc Toed boots. I had a pair of doubtless lower
quality LL Bean boots very much like those, that I used and abused for
years, and they were very comfortable and practical; but I'm sure that the
Redwings are practically and aesthetically better. Yours certainly look
nice.

However, my purchase is on hold since the trip I anticipated in May, where
I thought I'd use the new boots, was cancelled -- and, better reason, I
have just talked to Chauncey Matthews about 

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 5:36 PM Jay Lonner  wrote:

> Enjoyed this discussion, and wound up buying a pair of Red Wing mocc toe
> boots (see attached photo). The chukkas didn’t have enough room for my
> high-volume forefoot. The breaking-in process is going smoothly, and I look
> forward to wearing these for years to come.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:37:39 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I am thinking of replacing my walking shoes, a worthy but unexceptional
>> pair from an REI parking lot sale a few years ago.
>>
>> I'd like to find something that supports the ankles, has Vibram soles, is
>> not excessively heavy, and that has replaceable -- Goodyear welt? -- soles.
>> Laces only, in case walking shoes have been loaded with bike-shoe-type
>> "technology."
>>
>> Bonus points if they are brown or black leather that can be wax-polished
>> to restore looks.
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>> Redwing has some likely-looking models, but I know next to nothing about
>> walking boots.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Philip Williamson]

Those boots look great, I spent part of my Sunday tuning up my Red Wings with 
leather prep and polish that I got from the RW store in town. Well worth the 
trouble. It’s enjoyable to keep something good in full fettle.

Philip
Santa Rosa, Cal.

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Jay Lonner]

Enjoyed this discussion, and wound up buying a pair of Red Wing mocc toe 
boots (see attached photo). The chukkas didn’t have enough room for my 
high-volume forefoot. The breaking-in process is going smoothly, and I look 
forward to wearing these for years to come. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 2:37:39 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I am thinking of replacing my walking shoes, a worthy but unexceptional 
> pair from an REI parking lot sale a few years ago.
>
> I'd like to find something that supports the ankles, has Vibram soles, is 
> not excessively heavy, and that has replaceable -- Goodyear welt? -- soles. 
> Laces only, in case walking shoes have been loaded with bike-shoe-type 
> "technology."
>
> Bonus points if they are brown or black leather that can be wax-polished 
> to restore looks.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Redwing has some likely-looking models, but I know next to nothing about 
> walking boots.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks, Patrick
> -- 
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Philip Williamson]

I got a great set of well-used Redwing fireman boots at Goodwill ($10) a few 
years ago, and had the soles replaced with a soft flat Vibram sole ($80). They 
fit my narrow 13 feet really well, and the laced-in zippers ($35 when I had to 
replace them) make for the easiest boot-donning of my life. 
I hotrodded them as a hipster fashion statement, but ended up wearing them to 
build a chicken coop, plant trees, prune a giant oak several times, and now 
they look like hell. 

With their steel toe and steel last, I would not hike with them, but I love 
them.

Philip
Santa Rosa, Cal.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Drw]

I’m sure there’s a difference between pull on boots and the Chelsea sort of 
boots, but if you look previously in the thread at blundstone, Rossi and 
redback boot comments, I think those all are decent to good lace less walking 
boots.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Patrick Moore]

Those are indeed elegant, too elegant for me (and overkill for high desert
Albuquerque, NM where we get a citywide average of 9" of precipitation a
year). Nor do I have a Land Rover (I would only accept a Series IIa --
that's what were common in Kenya back in the '60s and '70s when I was a
boy), though I do have an old Burberry. Seriously though, if I did a lot of
walking on muddy ground, I'd at least look at them closely.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 9:09 AM Ian A  wrote:

> Patrick wrote "Do any listmembers have experience with any Wellington or
> pull-on type boots that make good walking shoes?"
>
> This inspired me to do a quick Google UK search (I am from the UK and know
> it to be the spiritual home of wellies). I found these for only $400 a pair
> https://www.welly-king.co.uk/m/Aigle-PARCOURS-2-SIGNATURE-Rubber-Boots-in-brown-a-high-tec-welly-with-leather-lining.html
>
> If you do buy those Patrick, make sure you have enough left over for a
> series 2a Land Rover to pair with the boots for driving to the Pub of a
> Sunday.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada (a long way from home).
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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Ian A]

Patrick wrote "Do any listmembers have experience with any Wellington or 
pull-on type boots that make good walking shoes?"

This inspired me to do a quick Google UK search (I am from the UK and know it 
to be the spiritual home of wellies). I found these for only $400 a pair 
https://www.welly-king.co.uk/m/Aigle-PARCOURS-2-SIGNATURE-Rubber-Boots-in-brown-a-high-tec-welly-with-leather-lining.html

If you do buy those Patrick, make sure you have enough left over for a series 
2a Land Rover to pair with the boots for driving to the Pub of a Sunday.

IanA Alberta Canada (a long way from home).

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks all very much, again. I've reviewed the many different "top picks"
lists and looked at many different Redwing and RW Chukkas reviews, and the
upshot is that, for my purposes -- comfort, durability, some provision
against debris, and looks, the Redwing Chukkas are the best fit. They'll be
fine for my kind of walking, they look fine with khakis and with shorts,
the company offers (at least now -- but it has been around a long time) a
comprehensive and affordable makeover service, they're all leather, which
allows me to play around with ointments., and they have a sentimental
connection to my childhood.

But another, academic question. I am generally familiar with pull-on boots,
having owned many pairs of Wellingtons and especially cowboy boots, but
I've never owned a pair that is ideal for walking. That's in spades for
cowboy boots, which I wear simply for looks, and that much less nowadays;
and the Wellington pair I have for snow -- so, around here, 2-3 times a
year -- is a bit too big.

Do any listmembers have experience with any Wellington or pull-on type
boots that make good walking shoes? The Russian infantry used pull-on boots
instead of Blucher-style ones and they certainly covered a lot of ground in
WW2. It might be nice to replace my Wellingtons with something the fits
better, though only if a good deal comes up.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 3:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I am thinking of replacing my walking shoes, a worthy but unexceptional
> pair from an REI parking lot sale a few years ago.
>
> I'd like to find something that supports the ankles, has Vibram soles, is
> not excessively heavy, and that has replaceable -- Goodyear welt? -- soles.
> Laces only, in case walking shoes have been loaded with bike-shoe-type
> "technology."
>
> Bonus points if they are brown or black leather that can be wax-polished
> to restore looks.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Redwing has some likely-looking models, but I know next to nothing about
> walking boots.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks, Patrick
> --
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[kim young]

Wow - that’s impressive. I had no idea that was even possible with any shoe
company.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:14 PM Peter H 
wrote:

> Hi Pat,
>
> I like my blundstones for kicking around and short walks/hikes with the
> dog and kids. I’ve had probably upwards of 7 pairs or so over the last 15
> years. That said, I wouldn’t say they are all that durable. For me the toes
> wore through pretty quick, and they stretched out in width. The soles on
> each pair wore out slower maybe with in a year and a half, but I’m also
> kinda hard on stuff and wear them in my woodshop and occasionally on
> jobsites. The reason I keep getting them? They slip on quick, and are super
> comfortable when standing on your feet for long periods of time.
>
> For me, I'd have to say best boot/shoe I've ever had are Redwings. I have
> 2 pairs of Redwings, one a 6” boot moc toe, and the other is a oxford moc
> toe/shoe type. I wear the shoe seasonally mostly for work in the summer and
> the boots the rest of the year. They are super durable and just real
> comfortable, the sole has a lot of cushion and give which is nice for any
> sort of casual walking or impact.
>
> I’ve had both Redwings re-soled, which was definitely a perk of the
> Redwings, probably possible with some other boot manufacturers but not
> sure.
>
> Redwing will dip em’ in a vat of oil, fix any blown out stitches, eyelets
> etc, resole and re-lace for around $100. (before/after pictures attached)
> I’m about to do so again. I’ve had these two pairs of boots/shoes for the
> last 12 years. They definitely are my go to for comfort, work, and they are
> super durable and worn nearly every day at work and often outside of work
> too. They'll last even longer if your oil somewhat regularly, (monthly I'm
> told) but I usually do it a few times a year with the change of seasons if
> I can remember to do so.
>
> I did have a pair of Redwing boots with the black vibram sole thinking the
> traction would be better in the winter (over the non marking white soles)
> but my feet would just get so cold in the New England winters with them so
> I stopped wearing them. My other two Redwings have the flat white sole
> non-marking type, and I find it not only more comfortable than the harder
> black vibram sole but also much warmer in the cold when spending long days
> standing on my shops concrete floor, or working outside.
>
> Outside of boots... my weekend kickers are Birk Clogs with backs (great
> for cycling too!) super comfortable.
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 5:37:39 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I am thinking of replacing my walking shoes, a worthy but unexceptional
>> pair from an REI parking lot sale a few years ago.
>>
>> I'd like to find something that supports the ankles, has Vibram soles, is
>> not excessively heavy, and that has replaceable -- Goodyear welt? -- soles.
>> Laces only, in case walking shoes have been loaded with bike-shoe-type
>> "technology."
>>
>> Bonus points if they are brown or black leather that can be wax-polished
>> to restore looks.
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>> Redwing has some likely-looking models, but I know next to nothing about
>> walking boots.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick
>>
>
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Michael Morrissey]

I have the redwing chukkas, and another pair of redwings, plus a really 
expensive pair of dress boots called Vibergs, but my favorites are Danner 
Mountain Lights. They look like cop boots, but the soles are only slightly 
heavier than adidas sneakers. They work with wool socks in the winter and 
lighter socks in the summer. I rode my motorcycle 5000 miles with them, but 
also hike through snow with them. I can’t recommend them enough. 

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Drw]

I bought redbacks for the same reason you noted. i sort of chose randomly 
between redback and rossi, because they both got better reviews than 
blundstones and were australian made. I havent really put them through much 
yet, but i wear them once a week, all day. So far so good, and they ended 
up being cheaper than blundstones. 

There's a guy on youtube who did extensive reviewing of all of these 
australian chelsea boots and came to the conclusion that because of the 
glue or the sole material (cant remember the specifics), the longer they 
sit without being worn, the faster the glue dries up/separates. He 
suggested buying directly from australia, so you don't get something that 
sat in an australian warehouse, then a long boat ride, then a US warehouse. 
he also suggested that you wear them every few days. 

Also he could be crazy. 


On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 11:42:43 AM UTC-8, christian poppell 
wrote:
>
> FYI if anyone on the list were considering the Rossi boots.
>
> I've been wearing a pair of Rossi Endura 301 for about three months now 
> and I have not been impressed. The sole was poorly glued on the right boot 
> and is now pulling away from the leather at the heel and outer sole. The 
> back of the boot is unlined which rubs the back of my ankle all day. I got 
> some thin calf leather and lined the inside heel which has helped. 
>
> Those things aside, they are more comfortable to stand in than my Dr 
> Marten Chelsea boots. The Docs are very thin with no arch support. 
>
> I purchased the Rossi because they are made an Australia and my assumption 
> was they would be higher quality. However, in the future I would purchase 
> Blundstones or similar. My fiance, who is a muralist, has them and they 
> have been durable and comfortable for her to wear all day painting.
>
> FWIW & YMMV,
>
> Christian 
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 1:42:09 PM UTC-8, Will Ashe wrote:
>>
>> I’ve also heard good things about the similar Rossi brand, which is made 
>> in Australia and assumably of better quality than Blundstones. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[christian poppell]

FYI if anyone on the list were considering the Rossi boots.

I've been wearing a pair of Rossi Endura 301 for about three months now and 
I have not been impressed. The sole was poorly glued on the right boot and 
is now pulling away from the leather at the heel and outer sole. The back 
of the boot is unlined which rubs the back of my ankle all day. I got some 
thin calf leather and lined the inside heel which has helped. 

Those things aside, they are more comfortable to stand in than my Dr Marten 
Chelsea boots. The Docs are very thin with no arch support. 

I purchased the Rossi because they are made an Australia and my assumption 
was they would be higher quality. However, in the future I would purchase 
Blundstones or similar. My fiance, who is a muralist, has them and they 
have been durable and comfortable for her to wear all day painting.

FWIW & YMMV,

Christian 
Berkeley, CA

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>
> I’ve also heard good things about the similar Rossi brand, which is made 
> in Australia and assumably of better quality than Blundstones. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Patrick Moore]

And: thanks to all the other commentators and advisors too.

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 8:26 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks, Peter, particularly for the photos. I'm tending toward the Redwing
> Chukkas, but their moc-style boots might be an option if I want more ankle
> coverage (I now understand that this is more to keep debris out than for
> support). I recall now from 30+ years ago, that my, probably less well made
> but still decent, LL Bean moc-toed boots were comfortable and lasted me a
> long time.
>
> Good to know about Redwing's refurbishing service as well; I don't know
> about elsewhere, but cobblers are few here in Albuquerque; the last one I
> hired worked from home by appointment; wonder if he's still in business.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:14 PM Peter H 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pat,
>>
>> I like my blundstones for kicking around and short walks/hikes with the
>> dog and kids. I’ve had probably upwards of 7 pairs or so over the last 15
>> years. That said, I wouldn’t say they are all that durable. For me the toes
>> wore through pretty quick, and they stretched out in width. The soles on
>> each pair wore out slower maybe with in a year and a half, but I’m also
>> kinda hard on stuff and wear them in my woodshop and occasionally on
>> jobsites. The reason I keep getting them? They slip on quick, and are super
>> comfortable when standing on your feet for long periods of time.
>>
>> For me, I'd have to say best boot/shoe I've ever had are Redwings. I have
>> 2 pairs of Redwings, one a 6” boot moc toe, and the other is a oxford moc
>> toe/shoe type. I wear the shoe seasonally mostly for work in the summer and
>> the boots the rest of the year. They are super durable and just real
>> comfortable, the sole has a lot of cushion and give which is nice for any
>> sort of casual walking or impact.
>>
>> I’ve had both Redwings re-soled, which was definitely a perk of the
>> Redwings, probably possible with some other boot manufacturers but not
>> sure.
>>
>> Redwing will dip em’ in a vat of oil, fix any blown out stitches, eyelets
>> etc, resole and re-lace for around $100. (before/after pictures attached)
>> I’m about to do so again. I’ve had these two pairs of boots/shoes for the
>> last 12 years. They definitely are my go to for comfort, work, and they are
>> super durable and worn nearly every day at work and often outside of work
>> too. They'll last even longer if your oil somewhat regularly, (monthly I'm
>> told) but I usually do it a few times a year with the change of seasons if
>> I can remember to do so.
>>
>> I did have a pair of Redwing boots with the black vibram sole thinking
>> the traction would be better in the winter (over the non marking white
>> soles) but my feet would just get so cold in the New England winters with
>> them so I stopped wearing them. My other two Redwings have the flat white
>> sole non-marking type, and I find it not only more comfortable than the
>> harder black vibram sole but also much warmer in the cold when spending
>> long days standing on my shops concrete floor, or working outside.
>>
>> Outside of boots... my weekend kickers are Birk Clogs with backs (great
>> for cycling too!) super comfortable.
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>>
>> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 5:37:39 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I am thinking of replacing my walking shoes, a worthy but unexceptional
>>> pair from an REI parking lot sale a few years ago.
>>>
>>> I'd like to find something that supports the ankles, has Vibram soles,
>>> is not excessively heavy, and that has replaceable -- Goodyear welt? --
>>> soles. Laces only, in case walking shoes have been loaded with
>>> bike-shoe-type "technology."
>>>
>>> Bonus points if they are brown or black leather that can be wax-polished
>>> to restore looks.
>>>
>>> Ideas?
>>>
>>> Redwing has some likely-looking models, but I know next to nothing about
>>> walking boots.
>>>
>>> Suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Peter, particularly for the photos. I'm tending toward the Redwing
Chukkas, but their moc-style boots might be an option if I want more ankle
coverage (I now understand that this is more to keep debris out than for
support). I recall now from 30+ years ago, that my, probably less well made
but still decent, LL Bean moc-toed boots were comfortable and lasted me a
long time.

Good to know about Redwing's refurbishing service as well; I don't know
about elsewhere, but cobblers are few here in Albuquerque; the last one I
hired worked from home by appointment; wonder if he's still in business.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:14 PM Peter H 
wrote:

> Hi Pat,
>
> I like my blundstones for kicking around and short walks/hikes with the
> dog and kids. I’ve had probably upwards of 7 pairs or so over the last 15
> years. That said, I wouldn’t say they are all that durable. For me the toes
> wore through pretty quick, and they stretched out in width. The soles on
> each pair wore out slower maybe with in a year and a half, but I’m also
> kinda hard on stuff and wear them in my woodshop and occasionally on
> jobsites. The reason I keep getting them? They slip on quick, and are super
> comfortable when standing on your feet for long periods of time.
>
> For me, I'd have to say best boot/shoe I've ever had are Redwings. I have
> 2 pairs of Redwings, one a 6” boot moc toe, and the other is a oxford moc
> toe/shoe type. I wear the shoe seasonally mostly for work in the summer and
> the boots the rest of the year. They are super durable and just real
> comfortable, the sole has a lot of cushion and give which is nice for any
> sort of casual walking or impact.
>
> I’ve had both Redwings re-soled, which was definitely a perk of the
> Redwings, probably possible with some other boot manufacturers but not
> sure.
>
> Redwing will dip em’ in a vat of oil, fix any blown out stitches, eyelets
> etc, resole and re-lace for around $100. (before/after pictures attached)
> I’m about to do so again. I’ve had these two pairs of boots/shoes for the
> last 12 years. They definitely are my go to for comfort, work, and they are
> super durable and worn nearly every day at work and often outside of work
> too. They'll last even longer if your oil somewhat regularly, (monthly I'm
> told) but I usually do it a few times a year with the change of seasons if
> I can remember to do so.
>
> I did have a pair of Redwing boots with the black vibram sole thinking the
> traction would be better in the winter (over the non marking white soles)
> but my feet would just get so cold in the New England winters with them so
> I stopped wearing them. My other two Redwings have the flat white sole
> non-marking type, and I find it not only more comfortable than the harder
> black vibram sole but also much warmer in the cold when spending long days
> standing on my shops concrete floor, or working outside.
>
> Outside of boots... my weekend kickers are Birk Clogs with backs (great
> for cycling too!) super comfortable.
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 5:37:39 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I am thinking of replacing my walking shoes, a worthy but unexceptional
>> pair from an REI parking lot sale a few years ago.
>>
>> I'd like to find something that supports the ankles, has Vibram soles, is
>> not excessively heavy, and that has replaceable -- Goodyear welt? -- soles.
>> Laces only, in case walking shoes have been loaded with bike-shoe-type
>> "technology."
>>
>> Bonus points if they are brown or black leather that can be wax-polished
>> to restore looks.
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>> Redwing has some likely-looking models, but I know next to nothing about
>> walking boots.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[chocotaco]

Hi Patrick:

I walk a lot. Check out the Red Wing Postman Chukka model number 9196. 
These (and the "Foreman Chukka" variant thereof) have been my main shoe for 
the last ten years both for cyclocommuting (now resoled with stiff Vibram 
neoprene soles) and for walking six miles round trip to work two or three 
days a week. They take a resole nicely, and they look great. The original 
crepe soles are very comfortable but also wear fairly quickly with all the 
miles, hence the resoling with my local cobbler.

That said, they are great for walking on city streets, but I had a second 
pair resoled with a blown rubber Vibram hiking sole. These work well for 
hiking on dirt roads, but one unexpected downside - the chukka design is 
loose fitting around the ankle, which is ordinarily a feature, but when you 
walk on loose surfaces it is frequent that pebbles and debris get kicked up 
into the collar of the shoe and end up between your foot and the insole. I 
found myself stopping not infrequently to empty out my shoes. On dirt trail 
hikes, I usually wear ordinary trail-running shoes (Brooks Cascadia in my 
case).

James Black
Los Angeles, CA

On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 8:28:56 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thank you all again. I will read Jack Loudon's linked overview site before 
> I choose, but even with all the criticisms, Redwing still gets much praise; 
> will take a look at the Chukkas particularly, since these look like the 
> sort of shoe that the cheap Bata "Safari Boots" we grew up wearing in Kenya 
> ought to have been; I certainly put miles of walking and cycling in wearing 
> those, and of course your big game guides always work them. And they'd go 
> with the canvas bush hat with venting screens that we boys also wore, one 
> of which I mean to buy to replace my aging straw cowboy hat. (We -- teenage 
> boy peer group -- used to pull out the vent screens to use at the bottom of 
> the bowls of pot pipes we home-made from the local bamboo; the screens kept 
> the seeds and other debris from falling down and plugging the stem.)
>

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Patrick Moore]

Blast from past:

https://batakenya.com/brands/10

The most expensive at Ksh 2799/- comes out to about $28. We wore the
cheapos with low-grade crepe rubber soles, which usually wore a hole
through at front sole or front upper within 3 months.

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 9:28 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thank you all again. I will read Jack Loudon's linked overview site before
> I choose, but even with all the criticisms, Redwing still gets much praise;
> will take a look at the Chukkas particularly, since these look like the
> sort of shoe that the cheap Bata "Safari Boots" we grew up wearing in Kenya
> ought to have been; I certainly put miles of walking and cycling in wearing
> those, and of course your big game guides always work them. And they'd go
> with the canvas bush hat with venting screens that we boys also wore, one
> of which I mean to buy to replace my aging straw cowboy hat. (We -- teenage
> boy peer group -- used to pull out the vent screens to use at the bottom of
> the bowls of pot pipes we home-made from the local bamboo; the screens kept
> the seeds and other debris from falling down and plugging the stem.)
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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Patrick Moore]

Thank you all again. I will read Jack Loudon's linked overview site before
I choose, but even with all the criticisms, Redwing still gets much praise;
will take a look at the Chukkas particularly, since these look like the
sort of shoe that the cheap Bata "Safari Boots" we grew up wearing in Kenya
ought to have been; I certainly put miles of walking and cycling in wearing
those, and of course your big game guides always work them. And they'd go
with the canvas bush hat with venting screens that we boys also wore, one
of which I mean to buy to replace my aging straw cowboy hat. (We -- teenage
boy peer group -- used to pull out the vent screens to use at the bottom of
the bowls of pot pipes we home-made from the local bamboo; the screens kept
the seeds and other debris from falling down and plugging the stem.)

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Evan E.]

Thursday Boot Company:

https://thursdayboots.com/

Many boot enthusiasts (search online) testify that these boots are just as 
well-made and durable as boots that look similar and cost more. Supposedly 
the Thursday Boot people charge a lower markup. Don't know if that's true 
or not. 

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Pat Smith]

Don't sleep on Chippewa boots either, I find they fit my wide foot/narrow 
heel a little better than my Redwings. That said, neither brand is 
particularly 'all day comfort' for me.

I did have Redwing work boots (safety toe) with the "king toe" feature a 
few years back when I needed them for my job and those things were 
comfortable on my feet for 12+ hours a day. Since moving to an office job 
with dress shoes (Allen Edmonds in EE or EEE widths) I seem to be having 
more foot problems. Also the time I got into cycling so maybe the two are 
related

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[John G.]

This is really well stated. The hipster lumbersexual comment is lame and 
the attacks on the price of Redwing Heritage boots shows a pretty funny 
lack of self-awareness, considering this is a Rivendell forum. They're made 
in the USA and high quality, good for all-day wearing in most-non-hiking 
conditions. Iron Rangers and Weekender Chukkas are some of the most 
comfortable, useful pieces of footwear I've ever owned.

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 4:27:08 PM UTC-5, jinxed wrote:
>
> Figured I'd chime in being a boot wearer.
>
> Despite the aforementioned "hipster lumbersexual" connotations, I think 
> you can get one hell of a good boot from them that is honestly still a fair 
> deal. Yes they have "boutique" and limited run models that command silly 
> prices (wait...is this the Rivendell forum...) but if you stick to the 
> basic line you can get a US made boot that can easily last 25 years with 
> resoles for @ 200-300 depending on style. As with every RW boot I've had, 
> sizing and break in are key. They all seem to fit a bit different. I wear 
> from 8-9.5 depending on style. And yes, they do seem good at fitting at a 
> RW store. Here are my impressions and advice on a couple styles.
>
> Moc toe boots. Started with a pair of Irish Setter moc-toes back in the 
> 80's when I worked for the family firewood/tree service. Wore them for 
> years, in every condition Colorado could throw at them, never took ANY care 
> of them, and would still be wearing them had they not been stolen. Now I 
> have essentially the same boot, but in a 6" high version. Classic moc 875. 
> Fine for walking, but maybe overkill. However, I can and often do spend all 
> day in them. Hiking (though poor traction), mechanic on foot all day, on a 
> motorbike across the country, a summer of carpet installing, and, gasp, 
> even to the coffee shop. I have even ridden the bike with them, but they 
> are heavy and clunky. As with every RW boot I've had, sizing and break in 
> are key. They all seem to fit a bit different. I wear from 8-9.5 depending 
> on style. And yes, they do seem good at fitting at a RW store.
>
> Chukka (work version) Style 3140. These are probably my favorite RW boot. 
> Still US made, resoleable, treatable leather, but less chunky and lighter 
> weight. Still no lightweight by any means, but I've done many all day bike 
> rides in them. These used to pop up on the feet of many Riv riders not too 
> long ago. I don't follow as close anymore, maybe they still do? There is an 
> even lighter version called the weekender I think, but I have no experience 
> with them.
>
> I also have a pair of blundstone's but find them a little odd fitting and 
> don't wear them often. I love the vastly lighter weight, and slip on 
> aspects, but they fit my foot really sloppy so I end up with a lot of 
> rubbing. I'm sure foot volume is the culprit. I messed with inserts to some 
> success, but they mainly sit by my back door if I need to run out to the 
> garage for something. And I'll agree with the above, no options for 
> re-sole, and the leather finish does not come back with proofing.
>
> Now, if you're willing to go outside the "boot" and US made parameter, I 
> am a huge fan of Clarks. Specifically the heavier beeswax leather / crepe 
> soled versions of both the Chukka Desert Boot, and it's low top counterpart 
> Desert Trek. Both can be resoled, both can be re-treated at home, and are @ 
> $100 cheaper than redwing. I have done 3 trips to Europe in my life, and 
> these were my shoe of choice each time. Our last one was 8 days straight of 
> walking tours, from 7am to often past midnight. I LOVE my Desert Treks for 
> walking. The one mark against them is water intrusion. The soles and 
> leather uppers are fine, but where they meet seem to let water in if you're 
> in standing water. Now it's never been a big enough issue for me to 
> address, but a simple treatment of that edge could fix it? I used to ride 
> bikes in my suede desert boots almost exclusively, but the elements quickly 
> took their toll on the suede uppers while the pedal pins quickly ate away 
> at the crepe soles. Grippy as all get out though!
>
> Aside from motorcycling, I don't specifically swap footwear for differing 
> activities. Whatever shoes get call in the morning, often stay on till I 
> hit the sack, no matter what the day saw.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Edwin W]

I remember a piece in Backpacker one year where they asked 10 Appalachian 
Trail through hikers who had worn the same shoes the whole time what they 
had worn. The only shoe that had more than one was Redwing work boots! I 
wouldn't choose mine for that task, but I have had mine for 20+ years and 
two or three resoles. A little obenauf's type treatment every couple of 
years.

Edwin

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 10:12:50 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Ken: Please tell us about longer-term walking comfort. I'm tempted by 
> Redwing because they are -- as far as I can tell -- made at least in part 
> in the US, and because they have a long US history, and because at least 
> for work boots they have good reviews. Oh, and because many of their models 
> allow one to anoint and polish them.
>
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 6:10 PM KenP > 
> wrote:
>
>> My dad bought several Redwings many years ago, and they lasted his whole 
>> life; so, I recently ordered a pair with my fingers crossed about the fit.  
>> I got lucky that way because they fit--I wear an 8 1/2 wide. They're the 
>> Oxford style. They are sturdy and heavy, and will probably last until I'm 
>> 90.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 5:26:39 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> This conversation has made it clear that I know very little about what 
>>> makes a good boot, a good work boot, or a good hiking or walking boot. To 
>>> ask one more question: Can anyone recommend a site, preferably not a mfr's 
>>> site, that analyzes the qualities of a good walking boot or shoe -- a sort 
>>> of "Hiking Boots for Dummies"?
>>>
>>> As to barefoot: sorry, not for me, but as Garth wisely said, I walk 
>>> barefoot in my socks and boots. But I recall reading, long ago, a lengthy 
>>> feature by a US journalist "embedding" (what a weird term!) with the 
>>> mujehaddin fighting the Reds in Afghanistan. This man, a youthful 30 or 40 
>>> something, ran 10 miles a day at home, but found it difficult to keep up 
>>> with Afghan peasants walking for 8 or 12 hours straight over steep, rocky, 
>>> ungroomed mountain paths in sandals home-made from old tire scraps. In 
>>> particular, I recall the anecdote about a middle aged peasant who'd walked 
>>> a round-trip total of 48 or 72 hours in tire sandals just so he could bring 
>>> home 200 grams of cheap tea and 500 grams of coarse sugar. And when people 
>>> hear that I ride 7 or 8 miles to church in damp weather (as this morning), 
>>> they are impressed. We are indeed a perverse and effete generation. (Except 
>>> for The Deacon.)
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 10:31 PM Drw  wrote:
>>>
 I guess mostly In the outsole material and the lack of any sort of 
 insole. I’m sure anyone could do almost whatever they need to in 
 redwings...They are super solid boots. 

 That said there are other great boots made more specifically for 
 walking and hiking. I have 3 pairs of redwings, but If I had to go on a 
 hike, I’d take hiking boots. If I had to go on a long walk, Id take 
 something something different. 

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Figured I'd chime in being a boot wearer.

Despite the aforementioned "hipster lumbersexual" connotations, I think you 
can get one hell of a good boot from them that is honestly still a fair 
deal. Yes they have "boutique" and limited run models that command silly 
prices (wait...is this the Rivendell forum...) but if you stick to the 
basic line you can get a US made boot that can easily last 25 years with 
resoles for @ 200-300 depending on style. As with every RW boot I've had, 
sizing and break in are key. They all seem to fit a bit different. I wear 
from 8-9.5 depending on style. And yes, they do seem good at fitting at a 
RW store. Here are my impressions and advice on a couple styles.

Moc toe boots. Started with a pair of Irish Setter moc-toes back in the 
80's when I worked for the family firewood/tree service. Wore them for 
years, in every condition Colorado could throw at them, never took ANY care 
of them, and would still be wearing them had they not been stolen. Now I 
have essentially the same boot, but in a 6" high version. Classic moc 875. 
Fine for walking, but maybe overkill. However, I can and often do spend all 
day in them. Hiking (though poor traction), mechanic on foot all day, on a 
motorbike across the country, a summer of carpet installing, and, gasp, 
even to the coffee shop. I have even ridden the bike with them, but they 
are heavy and clunky. As with every RW boot I've had, sizing and break in 
are key. They all seem to fit a bit different. I wear from 8-9.5 depending 
on style. And yes, they do seem good at fitting at a RW store.

Chukka (work version) Style 3140. These are probably my favorite RW boot. 
Still US made, resoleable, treatable leather, but less chunky and lighter 
weight. Still no lightweight by any means, but I've done many all day bike 
rides in them. These used to pop up on the feet of many Riv riders not too 
long ago. I don't follow as close anymore, maybe they still do? There is an 
even lighter version called the weekender I think, but I have no experience 
with them.

I also have a pair of blundstone's but find them a little odd fitting and 
don't wear them often. I love the vastly lighter weight, and slip on 
aspects, but they fit my foot really sloppy so I end up with a lot of 
rubbing. I'm sure foot volume is the culprit. I messed with inserts to some 
success, but they mainly sit by my back door if I need to run out to the 
garage for something. And I'll agree with the above, no options for 
re-sole, and the leather finish does not come back with proofing.

Now, if you're willing to go outside the "boot" and US made parameter, I am 
a huge fan of Clarks. Specifically the heavier beeswax leather / crepe 
soled versions of both the Chukka Desert Boot, and it's low top counterpart 
Desert Trek. Both can be resoled, both can be re-treated at home, and are @ 
$100 cheaper than redwing. I have done 3 trips to Europe in my life, and 
these were my shoe of choice each time. Our last one was 8 days straight of 
walking tours, from 7am to often past midnight. I LOVE my Desert Treks for 
walking. The one mark against them is water intrusion. The soles and 
leather uppers are fine, but where they meet seem to let water in if you're 
in standing water. Now it's never been a big enough issue for me to 
address, but a simple treatment of that edge could fix it? I used to ride 
bikes in my suede desert boots almost exclusively, but the elements quickly 
took their toll on the suede uppers while the pedal pins quickly ate away 
at the crepe soles. Grippy as all get out though!

Aside from motorcycling, I don't specifically swap footwear for differing 
activities. Whatever shoes get call in the morning, often stay on till I 
hit the sack, no matter what the day saw.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Garth]

Laing, Dunham has always made 2-6E shoes and boots. They are available from 
themselves and retailers that specialize in footwear like shoes.com . 

https://www.rockport.com/dunham/extended-sizes-x-wides-4e

https://www.shoes.com/size-10-extra-wide-mens-athletic.htm




On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 10:37:27 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of any hiking - walking boots in  width (size 9 to 10 
>> depending)? I spent a couple of hours in the downtown Seattle REI a few 
>> years ago when I was working out there, looking for boots and came away 
>> empty handed (empty-footed?) There is also a chain of stores for wide feet 
>> in the Seattle area for wide feet and they didn't have anything either.  I 
>> have tried a couple of the websites reference here and they don't have 
>> wides of any sort. 
>>
>
> Laing
> wide feet in Florida 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[lconley]

>
> Does anyone know of any hiking - walking boots in  width (size 9 to 10 
> depending)? I spent a couple of hours in the downtown Seattle REI a few 
> years ago when I was working out there, looking for boots and came away 
> empty handed (empty-footed?) There is also a chain of stores for wide feet 
> in the Seattle area for wide feet and they didn't have anything either.  I 
> have tried a couple of the websites reference here and they don't have 
> wides of any sort. 
>

Laing
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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Robert Tilley]

+1 on the Merrell Moab's. I have a pair that I really like. They have synthetic 
uppers but are very light, comfortable and have decent grip when hiking.

Robert Tilley
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Patrick, a site I trust is switchbacktravel.com.  They review all kinds of 
hiking gear, and I’ve bought boots, backpacks, and rain gear largely on their 
recommendation.  On light hikers, I currently have two they recommended, 
Merrell Moab and Altra Lone Peak, both great shoes IMO for different purposes.  
They are modern non-leather construction so maybe not for you.  I fully agree 
with others that ankle support isn’t normally needed and may be a hindrance.  I 
would add that the ubiquitous  Gore-Tex linings have their place but I don’t 
care for them as they aren’t effective for very long (maybe a year of steady 
use) but will make your feet sweat as long as you own them.   I live in a rainy 
climate but vastly prefer ventilated boots for much of my hiking.

Jack - Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Michael Baquerizo]

i'd second (or third?) most things from danner. I have spent a good amount 
of time on my feet - both standing around for prolonged periods of time and 
walking around a bunch, and not many shoes can handle that for me. danner 
light 2 as well as a model called patrol. both are structurally the same 
and i couldnt live without a pair. the goretex helps a bunch too, and 
doesnt really cause too sweaty a boot the way a goretex jacket would.

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 5:37:39 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I am thinking of replacing my walking shoes, a worthy but unexceptional 
> pair from an REI parking lot sale a few years ago.
>
> I'd like to find something that supports the ankles, has Vibram soles, is 
> not excessively heavy, and that has replaceable -- Goodyear welt? -- soles. 
> Laces only, in case walking shoes have been loaded with bike-shoe-type 
> "technology."
>
> Bonus points if they are brown or black leather that can be wax-polished 
> to restore looks.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Redwing has some likely-looking models, but I know next to nothing about 
> walking boots.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks, Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Buck Flagg]

Redwing is a venerable company. Forty-odd years ago I owned a succession of 
compact and lineman work boots and they were fantastically comfortable and 
long-lasting. I stayed with them as my daily work shoe for the better part of a 
decade before pivoting to running shoes for work (I'm a stagehand). Lately, 
they seemed to have become hip with the coming generation and, when I looked, 
their pricing structure seemed more appropriate to couture than work wear.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[jack loudon]

Patrick, a site I trust is switchbacktravel.com.  They review all kinds of 
hiking gear, and I’ve bought boots, backpacks, and rain gear largely on their 
recommendation.  On light hikers, I currently have two they recommended, 
Merrell Moab and Altra Lone Peak, both great shoes IMO for different purposes.  
They are modern non-leather construction so maybe not for you.  I fully agree 
with others that ankle support isn’t normally needed and may be a hindrance.  I 
would add that the ubiquitous  Gore-Tex linings have their place but I don’t 
care for them as they aren’t effective for very long (maybe a year of steady 
use) but will make your feet sweat as long as you own them.   I live in a rainy 
climate but vastly prefer ventilated boots for much of my hiking. 

Jack - Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Clayton.sf]

Redwing is an overpriced hipster boot with an amazing history these days. 
Beckhams and Iron Rangers are perfect for the lumbersexual look and a 10 
minute, dry weather walk to the next artisanal coffee roastery ;-). Very 
pretty, but for actual boot use you can do better with spending less. For any 
real hiking I wear low top trail runners and redbacks for anything that needs 
more debris blocking and a tad more protection.  

Clayton Scott
HBG. CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Patrick Moore]

Ken: Please tell us about longer-term walking comfort. I'm tempted by
Redwing because they are -- as far as I can tell -- made at least in part
in the US, and because they have a long US history, and because at least
for work boots they have good reviews. Oh, and because many of their models
allow one to anoint and polish them.

On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 6:10 PM KenP  wrote:

> My dad bought several Redwings many years ago, and they lasted his whole
> life; so, I recently ordered a pair with my fingers crossed about the fit.
> I got lucky that way because they fit--I wear an 8 1/2 wide. They're the
> Oxford style. They are sturdy and heavy, and will probably last until I'm
> 90.
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 5:26:39 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> This conversation has made it clear that I know very little about what
>> makes a good boot, a good work boot, or a good hiking or walking boot. To
>> ask one more question: Can anyone recommend a site, preferably not a mfr's
>> site, that analyzes the qualities of a good walking boot or shoe -- a sort
>> of "Hiking Boots for Dummies"?
>>
>> As to barefoot: sorry, not for me, but as Garth wisely said, I walk
>> barefoot in my socks and boots. But I recall reading, long ago, a lengthy
>> feature by a US journalist "embedding" (what a weird term!) with the
>> mujehaddin fighting the Reds in Afghanistan. This man, a youthful 30 or 40
>> something, ran 10 miles a day at home, but found it difficult to keep up
>> with Afghan peasants walking for 8 or 12 hours straight over steep, rocky,
>> ungroomed mountain paths in sandals home-made from old tire scraps. In
>> particular, I recall the anecdote about a middle aged peasant who'd walked
>> a round-trip total of 48 or 72 hours in tire sandals just so he could bring
>> home 200 grams of cheap tea and 500 grams of coarse sugar. And when people
>> hear that I ride 7 or 8 miles to church in damp weather (as this morning),
>> they are impressed. We are indeed a perverse and effete generation. (Except
>> for The Deacon.)
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 10:31 PM Drw  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess mostly In the outsole material and the lack of any sort of
>>> insole. I’m sure anyone could do almost whatever they need to in
>>> redwings...They are super solid boots.
>>>
>>> That said there are other great boots made more specifically for walking
>>> and hiking. I have 3 pairs of redwings, but If I had to go on a hike, I’d
>>> take hiking boots. If I had to go on a long walk, Id take something
>>> something different.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[KenP]

My dad bought several Redwings many years ago, and they lasted his whole 
life; so, I recently ordered a pair with my fingers crossed about the fit.  
I got lucky that way because they fit--I wear an 8 1/2 wide. They're the 
Oxford style. They are sturdy and heavy, and will probably last until I'm 
90.

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 5:26:39 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This conversation has made it clear that I know very little about what 
> makes a good boot, a good work boot, or a good hiking or walking boot. To 
> ask one more question: Can anyone recommend a site, preferably not a mfr's 
> site, that analyzes the qualities of a good walking boot or shoe -- a sort 
> of "Hiking Boots for Dummies"?
>
> As to barefoot: sorry, not for me, but as Garth wisely said, I walk 
> barefoot in my socks and boots. But I recall reading, long ago, a lengthy 
> feature by a US journalist "embedding" (what a weird term!) with the 
> mujehaddin fighting the Reds in Afghanistan. This man, a youthful 30 or 40 
> something, ran 10 miles a day at home, but found it difficult to keep up 
> with Afghan peasants walking for 8 or 12 hours straight over steep, rocky, 
> ungroomed mountain paths in sandals home-made from old tire scraps. In 
> particular, I recall the anecdote about a middle aged peasant who'd walked 
> a round-trip total of 48 or 72 hours in tire sandals just so he could bring 
> home 200 grams of cheap tea and 500 grams of coarse sugar. And when people 
> hear that I ride 7 or 8 miles to church in damp weather (as this morning), 
> they are impressed. We are indeed a perverse and effete generation. (Except 
> for The Deacon.)
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 10:31 PM Drw > 
> wrote:
>
>> I guess mostly In the outsole material and the lack of any sort of 
>> insole. I’m sure anyone could do almost whatever they need to in 
>> redwings...They are super solid boots. 
>>
>> That said there are other great boots made more specifically for walking 
>> and hiking. I have 3 pairs of redwings, but If I had to go on a hike, I’d 
>> take hiking boots. If I had to go on a long walk, Id take something 
>> something different. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Patrick Moore]

This conversation has made it clear that I know very little about what
makes a good boot, a good work boot, or a good hiking or walking boot. To
ask one more question: Can anyone recommend a site, preferably not a mfr's
site, that analyzes the qualities of a good walking boot or shoe -- a sort
of "Hiking Boots for Dummies"?

As to barefoot: sorry, not for me, but as Garth wisely said, I walk
barefoot in my socks and boots. But I recall reading, long ago, a lengthy
feature by a US journalist "embedding" (what a weird term!) with the
mujehaddin fighting the Reds in Afghanistan. This man, a youthful 30 or 40
something, ran 10 miles a day at home, but found it difficult to keep up
with Afghan peasants walking for 8 or 12 hours straight over steep, rocky,
ungroomed mountain paths in sandals home-made from old tire scraps. In
particular, I recall the anecdote about a middle aged peasant who'd walked
a round-trip total of 48 or 72 hours in tire sandals just so he could bring
home 200 grams of cheap tea and 500 grams of coarse sugar. And when people
hear that I ride 7 or 8 miles to church in damp weather (as this morning),
they are impressed. We are indeed a perverse and effete generation. (Except
for The Deacon.)

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 10:31 PM Drw  wrote:

> I guess mostly In the outsole material and the lack of any sort of insole.
> I’m sure anyone could do almost whatever they need to in redwings...They
> are super solid boots.
>
> That said there are other great boots made more specifically for walking
> and hiking. I have 3 pairs of redwings, but If I had to go on a hike, I’d
> take hiking boots. If I had to go on a long walk, Id take something
> something different.
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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Drw]

I guess mostly In the outsole material and the lack of any sort of insole. I’m 
sure anyone could do almost whatever they need to in redwings...They are super 
solid boots. 

That said there are other great boots made more specifically for walking and 
hiking. I have 3 pairs of redwings, but If I had to go on a hike, I’d take 
hiking boots. If I had to go on a long walk, Id take something something 
different. 

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[John G.]

I’m interested to better understand how you think Red Wings fall short in the 
walking shoe category. I wouldn’t hike in them, but I do enjoy walking all day 
in mine. Not disagreeing, just wondering if there’s a better option I’m 
missing. I might be taking a look at Russell Moccasins, as my feet are 
different sizes.

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Drw]

Redwings are great. I’ve had many pairs. That said, if walking or hiking is 
your purpose, I’d look elsewhere. Redwings are all basically In the workwear 
category. Definitely capable of a lot, but not specialized for walking or 
hiking.

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Ray Varella]

Redwing used to do a really good job of training their “fitters”
Go in for a fitting and then try on the models that are made on the lasts that 
best fit your foot. 

They do have some of their shoes and boots made overseas. 
The U.S. made boots I bought over the years wore very well. 


Ray. 

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[John G.]

I own two sets of Red Wings: Iron Rangers and Weekender Chukkas. I’m a huge fan 
of both. Be sure to follow their sizing guidelines. I’m normally wear a 12.5 or 
13, but I’m a size 11.5 when it comes to Red Wings. They’ll feel too tight at 
first, but they’ll break in soon. The Chukkas in particular really stretched 
out. I walk a lot—10k steps on a light day. Both boots are supremely 
comfortable, great for long days on your feet.

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[ascpgh]

I seem to find better fit from lasts used by the Italian makers. I've used 
La Sportiva shoes in the workplace where I'm on my feet 12-14 hours a day 
for many years. TX-2 (on my feet this moment) , TX-3, Bushido, Wildcat. I 
guess this is predictable from my preference of Sidi cycling shoes' fit.

*Here's some websites for Italian makers:*
Scarpa:https://www.scarpa.com/
Alico: http://www.alicosport.it/index.htm
Garmont: https://www.garmontnorthamerica.com/
LaSportiva: https://www.sportiva.com/
Lowa: https://www.lowaboots.com/

*USA made:*
Red Wing: http://www.redwingshoes.com/
Chippewa: https://www.chippewaboots.com/
Mark Albert Boots: https://markalbertboots.com/ 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh



On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 12:49:37 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks; the suggestions are certainly worth investigating; I do like what 
> I see about the Danner Light.
>
> I'd be grateful for others' recommendations based on their use and 
> personal satisfaction.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 3:37 PM Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> I am thinking of replacing my walking shoes, a worthy but unexceptional 
>> pair from an REI parking lot sale a few years ago.
>>
>> I'd like to find something that supports the ankles, has Vibram soles, is 
>> not excessively heavy, and that has replaceable -- Goodyear welt? -- soles. 
>> Laces only, in case walking shoes have been loaded with bike-shoe-type 
>> "technology."
>>
>> Bonus points if they are brown or black leather that can be wax-polished 
>> to restore looks.
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>> Redwing has some likely-looking models, but I know next to nothing about 
>> walking boots.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Patrick Moore]

Again, thanks for all the suggestions.

Does anyone know anything about Redwing boots? I ask because someone
suggested them, tho' not from first hand experience -- he'd heard good
things of them; and, second, important, Redwing has a store in town. I'd
much rather try before I buy than try to fit by mail.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 3:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I am thinking of replacing my walking shoes, a worthy but unexceptional
> pair from an REI parking lot sale a few years ago.
>
> I'd like to find something that supports the ankles, has Vibram soles, is
> not excessively heavy, and that has replaceable -- Goodyear welt? -- soles.
> Laces only, in case walking shoes have been loaded with bike-shoe-type
> "technology."
>
> Bonus points if they are brown or black leather that can be wax-polished
> to restore looks.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Redwing has some likely-looking models, but I know next to nothing about
> walking boots.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks, Patrick
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>
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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Garth]

Patrick Moore is asking about a certain style/type of boots... and guess 
what . he'll be walking BAREFOOT in/on his boots, like we all all-ways 
are barefoot regardless what we walk on or how. 


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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I second all of Deacon Patrick's recommendations.  

Regarding ankle support, in my experience this is a misnomer.  Boots that 
cover your ankle provide *protection* (from rocks, brush, water, cold, etc) 
but not *support*, there just isn't enough rigidity for that.  In a similar 
vein, soft insoles do not provide arch support (if you need arch support, 
you need a hard orthotic), but they can help keep your shoe in place on 
your foot, a need which doesn't really exist with thin soles.

If you like going barefoot anywhere - the beach, the house, wherever - then 
with "barefoot shoes" you can enjoy that pretty much anywhere.

Also, since you brought up resoling, I don't know of any barefoot shoes 
that are designed to be resoled, but my VivoBarefoots have (for the most 
part) lasted way longer than any non-barefoot shoes I've ever had.

-Eric

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 4:18:59 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Hike barefoot for a month. Then you'll know if:
>
> - you need ankle support
> - you need beefy souls
> - you need shoes at all
>
> I prefer barefoot, but given the sharp (pun intended) increase in drug 
> paraphanilia since legalized marijuana in these parts, I also like to have 
> extra protection. VivoBarefoot has a lot of good options, and if you need 
> grippier tread without increasing beefiness, XeroShoes. Their sandals are 
> brilliant. RE ankle support: when I hiked with custom alpine boots, I 
> rolled my ankle several times a year. When I went barefoot/minimalist, my 
> ankles strengthened and I've never twisted one since, over a decade later, 
> and that includes trail running.
> https://www.vivobarefoot.com/us
> https://xeroshoes.com/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 4:54:54 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> More suggestions! Thank you.
>>
>> My use will be quite light; no long-distance walking on very rough 
>> terrain with heavy backpack; just =/< 5 mile hikes unencumbered on groomed 
>> trails, though perhaps sandy.
>>
>> I gather that some of these will be overkill, and that I ought to limit 
>> myself to the "light" models? Comments welcome.
>>
>> I would prefer to pay $400 and get something to last out my last 25 years 
>> or so (I turn 65 shortly). And I like polishing and greasing leather.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hike barefoot for a month. Then you'll know if:

- you need ankle support
- you need beefy souls
- you need shoes at all

I prefer barefoot, but given the sharp (pun intended) increase in drug 
paraphanilia since legalized marijuana in these parts, I also like to have 
extra protection. VivoBarefoot has a lot of good options, and if you need 
grippier tread without increasing beefiness, XeroShoes. Their sandals are 
brilliant. RE ankle support: when I hiked with custom alpine boots, I 
rolled my ankle several times a year. When I went barefoot/minimalist, my 
ankles strengthened and I've never twisted one since, over a decade later, 
and that includes trail running.
https://www.vivobarefoot.com/us
https://xeroshoes.com/

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 4:54:54 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> More suggestions! Thank you.
>
> My use will be quite light; no long-distance walking on very rough terrain 
> with heavy backpack; just =/< 5 mile hikes unencumbered on groomed trails, 
> though perhaps sandy.
>
> I gather that some of these will be overkill, and that I ought to limit 
> myself to the "light" models? Comments welcome.
>
> I would prefer to pay $400 and get something to last out my last 25 years 
> or so (I turn 65 shortly). And I like polishing and greasing leather.
>

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Patrick Moore]

More suggestions! Thank you.

My use will be quite light; no long-distance walking on very rough terrain
with heavy backpack; just =/< 5 mile hikes unencumbered on groomed trails,
though perhaps sandy.

I gather that some of these will be overkill, and that I ought to limit
myself to the "light" models? Comments welcome.

I would prefer to pay $400 and get something to last out my last 25 years
or so (I turn 65 shortly). And I like polishing and greasing leather.

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Clayton.sf]

Personally I like Redbacks over either rossi or blunnies (had them all). I 
got 10 years of use out of a slip on redback boot. Would have lasted longer 
if it wasn't for a salt water bath. They also make lace up versions. 
Fantastic boots, but very different from the original requirements of the 
OP.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA


On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 1:42:09 PM UTC-8, Will Ashe wrote:
>
> I’ve also heard good things about the similar Rossi brand, which is made 
> in Australia and assumably of better quality than Blundstones. 

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Mike Blackwell]

I highly recommend Limmer Boots, especially the Ultra-Light model.

Limmer is the Rivendell of the boot world (or, given their heritage, 
perhaps Riv is the Limmer of the bike world might be more accurate!).

http://www.limmerboot.com/ 

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Ray Varella]

Due to my feet being unequal enough in size, started buying Russell Moccasins 
many years ago. 
Due to the way they are made, the are supremely comfortable for me. 
This includes many years of working 12-14 hour days on my feet the whole time. 

Check out their site, they make many styles with many leather and sole options. 


Ray

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks; the suggestions are certainly worth investigating; I do like what I
see about the Danner Light.

I'd be grateful for others' recommendations based on their use and personal
satisfaction.



On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 3:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I am thinking of replacing my walking shoes, a worthy but unexceptional
> pair from an REI parking lot sale a few years ago.
>
> I'd like to find something that supports the ankles, has Vibram soles, is
> not excessively heavy, and that has replaceable -- Goodyear welt? -- soles.
> Laces only, in case walking shoes have been loaded with bike-shoe-type
> "technology."
>
> Bonus points if they are brown or black leather that can be wax-polished
> to restore looks.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Redwing has some likely-looking models, but I know next to nothing about
> walking boots.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks, Patrick
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> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[John G.]

I love my Iron Rangers—incredibly comfortable after break-in. Be sure to size 
down. 

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Garth]

Here's a host of classic leather hiking boots, sift  through them as you 
will !

https://hiconsumption.com/best-vintage-hiking-boots/

https://runrepeat.com/ranking/rankings-of-leather-hiking-boots

https://runrepeat.com/ranking/rankings-of-vintage-hiking-boots


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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, no lining or, if lined, leather lining -- no cloth, please.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 3:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I am thinking of replacing my walking shoes, a worthy but unexceptional
> pair from an REI parking lot sale a few years ago.
>
> I'd like to find something that supports the ankles, has Vibram soles, is
> not excessively heavy, and that has replaceable -- Goodyear welt? -- soles.
> Laces only, in case walking shoes have been loaded with bike-shoe-type
> "technology."
>
> Bonus points if they are brown or black leather that can be wax-polished
> to restore looks.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Redwing has some likely-looking models, but I know next to nothing about
> walking boots.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks, Patrick
> --
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>
>
>

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