[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
On a slightly different tact. Please, no flames as I live in China I do buy Chinese products I have thought that a wonderful cycling jersey could be made from knitted silk. There is a company in Honzhou that makes golf shirts from this and they are just the absolute max in comfort. Silk has a lot of the same properties as wool in that is both warm in cool weather and cool in hot weather but it is never scratchy. If someone would make a jersey that has a collar and a front pocket, like a square tailed golf shirt with a couple of small cycling pockets in back, I think they could sell a bunch of them. Bicycle commuters could wear them at work as silk, like wool doesn't stink if you sweat in it. So for a short commute, in a semi-casual atmosphere you wouldn't need to change. The problem would be that these things would be really pricy. Probably at least USD $150.00 each On Sep 17, 8:12 am, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote: But then, if you have riding buddies who bought the original Or Rando shrinking jerseys from the aforementioned company, and their jersey shrank and you are smaller than they are, you've got a nice toasty felted jersey. (really big grin) Of course, I'm on my second one, because they just kept shrinking, even with very gentle cold water hand wash. But like Beth said, they've changed to superwash wool. Cheers, Lynne F On Sep 16, 4:16 pm, Ryan Watson rswat...@nyx.net wrote: I've got one of the Wabi long sleeve jerseys. It's one of the nicest wool jerseys I've used. Very dense and warm, much warmer and windproof than a Swobo, Woolistic, or Ibex. Overkill for New Mexico most of the time, but awesome on cold winter rides. Ryan On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:09, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of wool jerseys, has anyone tried one from Wabi Woolens? http://www.wabiwoolens.com They look great, and seem like they'd be more wind-resistant than most. I've been thinking of splurging on one for this winter. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
Yes, I'll second that motion. I have a couple of silk golf shirts. very comfy, and fit very well. RS --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Fai Mao i.am.fai@gmail.com wrote: From: Fai Mao i.am.fai@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: wool jerseys To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 5:34 PM On a slightly different tact. Please, no flames as I live in China I do buy Chinese products I have thought that a wonderful cycling jersey could be made from knitted silk. There is a company in Honzhou that makes golf shirts from this and they are just the absolute max in comfort. Silk has a lot of the same properties as wool in that is both warm in cool weather and cool in hot weather but it is never scratchy. If someone would make a jersey that has a collar and a front pocket, like a square tailed golf shirt with a couple of small cycling pockets in back, I think they could sell a bunch of them. Bicycle commuters could wear them at work as silk, like wool doesn't stink if you sweat in it. So for a short commute, in a semi-casual atmosphere you wouldn't need to change. The problem would be that these things would be really pricy. Probably at least USD $150.00 each On Sep 17, 8:12 am, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote: But then, if you have riding buddies who bought the original Or Rando shrinking jerseys from the aforementioned company, and their jersey shrank and you are smaller than they are, you've got a nice toasty felted jersey. (really big grin) Of course, I'm on my second one, because they just kept shrinking, even with very gentle cold water hand wash. But like Beth said, they've changed to superwash wool. Cheers, Lynne F On Sep 16, 4:16 pm, Ryan Watson rswat...@nyx.net wrote: I've got one of the Wabi long sleeve jerseys. It's one of the nicest wool jerseys I've used. Very dense and warm, much warmer and windproof than a Swobo, Woolistic, or Ibex. Overkill for New Mexico most of the time, but awesome on cold winter rides. Ryan On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:09, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of wool jerseys, has anyone tried one from Wabi Woolens? http://www.wabiwoolens.com They look great, and seem like they'd be more wind-resistant than most. I've been thinking of splurging on one for this winter. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
On Sep 16, 2009, at 7:34 PM, Fai Mao wrote: On a slightly different tact. Please, no flames as I live in China I do buy Chinese products We all buy Chinese products! It is the nature of world commerce. I have thought that a wonderful cycling jersey could be made from knitted silk. There is a company in Honzhou that makes golf shirts from this and they are just the absolute max in comfort. I have never seen knitted silk, I think. Woven silk, yes, but not knitted silk. Silk has a lot of the same properties as wool in that is both warm in cool weather and cool in hot weather but it is never scratchy. If someone would make a jersey that has a collar and a front pocket, like a square tailed golf shirt with a couple of small cycling pockets in back, I think they could sell a bunch of them. Bicycle commuters could wear them at work as silk, like wool doesn't stink if you sweat in it. So for a short commute, in a semi-casual atmosphere you wouldn't need to change. The problem would be that these things would be really pricy. Probably at least USD $150.00 each Well, people don't expect silk to be cheap. There's an incredible amount of work in its production. But this is an interesting idea. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
I've gone through 3 jerseys from Earth Wind Rider and every single one of them split at the seams in the shoulder area after washing the first or second time. Washed on hand wash cycle using Woolite just like with all my other wool jerseys. Also had problems with the dark dye bleeding into whiter areas of the garment. They were replaced under warranty, but I'll never order from them again. Rubbish. On Sep 16, 10:24 pm, XO-1.org Rough Riders adventureco...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think anybody here has mentioned Earth Wind and Rider. Their quality seems high but their customer service lately has dropped to nil. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
Oh yes, Earth Wind and Rider has made some high-quality, lovely jerseys. Classic look. And they made wool jerseys in women's sizes, which has pleased my wife a lot. However -- and I've emailed or talked with the owner several times -- it's not that the customer service has dropped, I'd say, but they haven't been able to make more, get more in stock. So, I'd buy one of their classic red jerseys, but I haven't seen my size large in more than a year. == XO-1.org Rough Riders wrote: I used Portland Cyclewear a few years back for a custom order and was appalled, just absolutely appalled, at the service and the product quality. What absolute rubbish garments and pathetic people skills. I wouldn't use them again if they gave me their products. I don't think anybody here has mentioned Earth Wind and Rider. Their quality seems high but their customer service lately has dropped to nil. This past year I became a fan of Ibex. Theirs are the first jerseys I can truly wear with no base layer and not be bothered by itchiness. (For all the talk about soft Merino wool, I have always had to wear a base layer until Ibex.) I think their fit is fantastic, too, plus they offer their wool jerseys in various weights, including one so light I can wear it in SoCal in the summer. They do custom work, too, so we plan to give them some business in 2010 for the Rough Riders Rally. - Chris Kostman http://www.XO-1.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
I've never seen another place that had knitted silk either. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Sep 16, 2009, at 7:34 PM, Fai Mao wrote: On a slightly different tact. Please, no flames as I live in China I do buy Chinese products We all buy Chinese products! It is the nature of world commerce. I have thought that a wonderful cycling jersey could be made from knitted silk. There is a company in Honzhou that makes golf shirts from this and they are just the absolute max in comfort. I have never seen knitted silk, I think. Woven silk, yes, but not knitted silk. Silk has a lot of the same properties as wool in that is both warm in cool weather and cool in hot weather but it is never scratchy. If someone would make a jersey that has a collar and a front pocket, like a square tailed golf shirt with a couple of small cycling pockets in back, I think they could sell a bunch of them. Bicycle commuters could wear them at work as silk, like wool doesn't stink if you sweat in it. So for a short commute, in a semi-casual atmosphere you wouldn't need to change. The problem would be that these things would be really pricy. Probably at least USD $150.00 each Well, people don't expect silk to be cheap. There's an incredible amount of work in its production. But this is an interesting idea. -- Fai Mao The Blogger who sometimes responds to comments --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
I have an EWR wool jersey, nice merino about the same as Kucharik, but the Kucharik stitching is way better when you compare them side by side. Plus the Kucharik is less expensive and made in the good'ole US of A which the EWR is not. --- On Thu, 9/17/09, d2mini d2creat...@gmail.com wrote: From: d2mini d2creat...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: wool jerseys To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 11:37 AM I've gone through 3 jerseys from Earth Wind Rider and every single one of them split at the seams in the shoulder area after washing the first or second time. Washed on hand wash cycle using Woolite just like with all my other wool jerseys. Also had problems with the dark dye bleeding into whiter areas of the garment. They were replaced under warranty, but I'll never order from them again. Rubbish. On Sep 16, 10:24 pm, XO-1.org Rough Riders adventureco...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think anybody here has mentioned Earth Wind and Rider. Their quality seems high but their customer service lately has dropped to nil. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:07 AM, David Hallerman sunwarrio...@gmail.comwrote: Oh yes, Earth Wind and Rider has made some high-quality, lovely jerseys. Classic look. And they made wool jerseys in women's sizes, which has pleased my wife a lot. For wool jerseys cut specifically for women, I really like the ones from Swobo. I have a short and long sleeve. Not sure how cold they can go, though, as I live in San Francisco and the winter temps don't get that cold. -Cheryl --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
These folks used to be called Portland Cycle Wear and I was part of a group buy from them. The customer service was awful- incredibly slow (months between order and delivery) and the owner was rude and sarcastic. However, he seemed to have learned his lesson from the experience by the end of the transaction and it sounds like he has continued in a much better mode of doing business. The tags do not list the country of origin for either the fabric or the manufacturing. During the transaction we were given to understand that the jerseys are sewed in China; I don't know if this is still the case. The jersey I got from them is quite good, fits well, seems well made and even endured the worst crash I have been in in many years without much damage. It's a couple of years old now and has held up well. It has tolerated machine washing fine. Someone mentioned their cycling jacket. I haven't seen that but have consistently found that wool jersey makers must not live in actual cold climates given how light the fabric is. Most winter wool jerseys are not suitable for winter riding north of the 45th parallel (inland from the coasts) where temps well below 32F are the norm for 3-4 months a year. Winter jerseys seem generally to be meant to be ridden in 50F weather and I end up wearing several of them at a time much of the year. Late last winter I bought a Vintage Velos two-layer cycling jacket on one of their sales and finally have a wool top that is heavy enough to wear into the 40s without needing a bunch of layers. W00t! http://www.vintagevelos.com/trainers1.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
Alternative recommendation/tangent: I like my Ibex Dash jacket for winter cycling. Wool back, soft shell front, cut for cycling. I'm comfortable in it all winter long for cycling or xc skiing etc., probably down to -10F or so that I can recall. No experience with Oregon Cycling Wear as I've been happy with all my Ibex stuff, though the Oregon CW pricing looks excellent by comparison. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
For riding comfort I rank my wool jerseys (and shorts for that matter) from most to least favorite: Swobo, Joneswares, Kucharick, Woolistic, Ibex, vintage Italian assortment. The fastest to wear holes through or unravel so far from new has been Kucharik, then Joneswares. Best two for longetvity are Swobo and Ibex. Woolistic is in the middle along with the vintage stuff. Good company to deal with (replaced a problem item fast with no quibbles) is Joneswares. No experience with the others yet. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
On Sep 15, 7:26 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: The subject of rivendell jerseys came up last week and this week I saw these: http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/page/page/2010300.htm my questions are: 1. has anyone worked with them before? 2. Are they any good? Oregon Randonneurs used this company some years back. (You can see our old style jersey here -- http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/woolcyclingjersey.html -- scroll down a bit on the page.) Overall vibe was that round one of the jerseys was oddly sized, felted and shrank badly; round two was made of a different kind of washable wool that resisted shrinking but did not hold a good shape, and which did not hold up well under repeated launderings. When I offered to handle the club's jersey order for 2008-09, I was urged by our RBA to find a different supplier. Other companies considered included Portland (now Oregon) Cyclewear, whose jerseys HAVE improved in feel and fit -- I own a more recent long-sleeve jersey which is quite nice -- and Kucharik, who make excellent jerseys in the usa but who do not offer custom embroidery (they prefer you buy their jerseys and then take them to a local embroidery house). After checking around with a bunch of folks in the Rando scene we ultimately went with Woolistic. Nice product, low minimums (40 or more jerseys); but the contact guy stateside was inconsistently communicative for most of the process. (Things got better towards the end.) Turnaround time from initiating order to delivery was about four months, due to a factory holiday in China; if not for the holiday it would've been just under three months. I was so frazzled handling the jersey order (48 jerseys for folks scattered across Oregon, Washington and California, plus a couple of states back east) that in the end I decided I wouldn't do it again. Only complaint was that womens-specific sizing was not true-to-size and several jerseys had to be re-done. But this was handled in a surprisingly timely manner and in the end I think just about everyone was pretty happy. The new jerseys turned out great: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tangobiker/3336929809/ Warning: If you are thinking of coordinating a custom team order, make sure you factor in the cost of getting the order shipped to you -- and spread that cost among all the jerseys. Then, add a little bit more on top of that to cover a little bit of your time, as you will spend a LOT of it dealing with all sorts of craziness. I probably wound up spending over twenty hours of my time on the order, including counting pre-payments and sorting jerseys after they'd arrived. In the end, I got my jersey at a discount and did not feel the least bit guilty in doing so. I'm happy with my jersey. Beth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
Try these guys. Very excellent wool cycling and lifestyle wool clothing, and they are located in Vermont where it really does get cold. Customer service is top knotch: http://www.ibexwear.com/shop/products/1/1097/mens-ride --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: I haven't seen that but have consistently found that wool jersey makers must not live in actual cold climates given how light the fabric is. Most winter wool jerseys are not suitable for winter riding north of the 45th parallel (inland from the coasts) where temps well below 32F are the norm for 3-4 months a year. Winter jerseys seem generally to be meant to be ridden in 50F weather and I end up wearing several of them at a time much of the year. Late last winter I bought a Vintage Velos two-layer cycling jacket on one of their sales and finally have a wool top that is heavy enough to wear into the 40s without needing a bunch of layers. W00t! http://www.vintagevelos.com/trainers1.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
Speaking of wool jerseys, has anyone tried one from Wabi Woolens? http://www.wabiwoolens.com They look great, and seem like they'd be more wind-resistant than most. I've been thinking of splurging on one for this winter. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
I have one and it is the best wool jersey I have and have seen to date. The attention to detail is wonderful and the fabric a lot nicer than the Oregon cycle wear ones. I'd say they are a step up from Kucharik as well which I also like. They will shrink initially and I did have to order a size up. Customer service was outstanding too. Clayton Scott SF CA On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of wool jerseys, has anyone tried one from Wabi Woolens? http://www.wabiwoolens.com They look great, and seem like they'd be more wind-resistant than most. I've been thinking of splurging on one for this winter. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
Of my too-many wool jerseys, only the Kucharik ones are thick enough, with a dense weave, to work in temps in the 30s. Even then, I have a couple of layersw of wool, like from Ibex or Rivendell's Aussie wool crewnecks, underneath, and I like a nylon vest on top. But all the Woolistic-made wool jerseys -- which includes Vintage Velos, the original Riv jersey, ones from Boure -- are a much lighter weave. That's why they're best for temps in the mid-40s to 65, at least for my body here in the Hudson Valley. Dave, who likes Ibex wool for extra cycling warmth or non-cycling activities but not their cycling clothing == Tim McNamara wrote: These folks used to be called Portland Cycle Wear and I was part of a group buy from them. The customer service was awful- incredibly slow (months between order and delivery) and the owner was rude and sarcastic. However, he seemed to have learned his lesson from the experience by the end of the transaction and it sounds like he has continued in a much better mode of doing business. The tags do not list the country of origin for either the fabric or the manufacturing. During the transaction we were given to understand that the jerseys are sewed in China; I don't know if this is still the case. The jersey I got from them is quite good, fits well, seems well made and even endured the worst crash I have been in in many years without much damage. It's a couple of years old now and has held up well. It has tolerated machine washing fine. Someone mentioned their cycling jacket. I haven't seen that but have consistently found that wool jersey makers must not live in actual cold climates given how light the fabric is. Most winter wool jerseys are not suitable for winter riding north of the 45th parallel (inland from the coasts) where temps well below 32F are the norm for 3-4 months a year. Winter jerseys seem generally to be meant to be ridden in 50F weather and I end up wearing several of them at a time much of the year. Late last winter I bought a Vintage Velos two-layer cycling jacket on one of their sales and finally have a wool top that is heavy enough to wear into the 40s without needing a bunch of layers. W00t! http://www.vintagevelos.com/trainers1.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
Last year, found a Hincapie wool cycling jacket on eBay that was really nice. Label says made in Fiji and the quality seems to be about the same as a Swobo or Ibex. Unfortunately, a quick Google search turned up nothing resembling the jacket. But I'd say it's worth looking into. With a long sleeve Woolywarm top I was good down to close to freezing. Otherwise, I'd go with an Ibex Shak. Really do think it's as good as the hype. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sep 16, 9:10�am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: These folks used to be called Portland Cycle Wear and I was part of � a group buy from them. �The customer service was awful- incredibly � slow (months between order and delivery) and the owner was rude and � sarcastic. �However, he seemed to have learned his lesson from the � experience by the end of the transaction and it sounds like he has � continued in a much better mode of doing business. �The tags do not � list the country of origin for either the fabric or the � manufacturing. �During the transaction we were given to understand � that the jerseys are sewed in China; I don't know if this is still � the case. The jersey I got from them is quite good, fits well, seems well made � and even endured the worst crash I have been in in many years without � much damage. �It's a couple of years old now and has held up well. � It has tolerated machine washing fine. Someone mentioned their cycling jacket. �I haven't seen that but have � consistently found that wool jersey makers must not live in actual � cold climates given how light the fabric is. �Most winter wool � jerseys are not suitable for winter riding north of the 45th parallel � (inland from the coasts) where temps well below 32F are the norm for � 3-4 months a year. �Winter jerseys seem generally to be meant to be � ridden in 50F weather and I end up wearing several of them at a time � much of the year. Late last winter I bought a Vintage Velos two-layer � cycling jacket on one of their sales and finally have a wool top that � is heavy enough to wear into the 40s without needing a bunch of � layers. �W00t! http://www.vintagevelos.com/trainers1.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
I've got one of the Wabi long sleeve jerseys. It's one of the nicest wool jerseys I've used. Very dense and warm, much warmer and windproof than a Swobo, Woolistic, or Ibex. Overkill for New Mexico most of the time, but awesome on cold winter rides. Ryan On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:09, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of wool jerseys, has anyone tried one from Wabi Woolens? http://www.wabiwoolens.com They look great, and seem like they'd be more wind-resistant than most. I've been thinking of splurging on one for this winter. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
But then, if you have riding buddies who bought the original Or Rando shrinking jerseys from the aforementioned company, and their jersey shrank and you are smaller than they are, you've got a nice toasty felted jersey. (really big grin) Of course, I'm on my second one, because they just kept shrinking, even with very gentle cold water hand wash. But like Beth said, they've changed to superwash wool. Cheers, Lynne F On Sep 16, 4:16 pm, Ryan Watson rswat...@nyx.net wrote: I've got one of the Wabi long sleeve jerseys. It's one of the nicest wool jerseys I've used. Very dense and warm, much warmer and windproof than a Swobo, Woolistic, or Ibex. Overkill for New Mexico most of the time, but awesome on cold winter rides. Ryan On Sep 16, 2009, at 10:09, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of wool jerseys, has anyone tried one from Wabi Woolens? http://www.wabiwoolens.com They look great, and seem like they'd be more wind-resistant than most. I've been thinking of splurging on one for this winter. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
I bought one last winter and it's incredible. Worth the money. Good fit, dense wool, nice colors, and great service. I had a question about fit and the owner spent time on the phone with me to figure it out. Brian Park City, UT On Sep 16, 10:09 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of wool jerseys, has anyone tried one from Wabi Woolens?http://www.wabiwoolens.com They look great, and seem like they'd be more wind-resistant than most. I've been thinking of splurging on one for this winter. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wool jerseys
Hi Seth, I bought one of their wool cycling jackets--full zip, no rear pockets--for cold weather riding; I don't see these on their website any longer. The customer service was excellent and the order was shipped and received very promptly. At some point after I'd placed my order and before they'd shipped the order, they lowered the price on the jacket and reimbursed me the difference. The quality of the jacket is very good, the fit is true to size, and its looks prompt compliments from strangers, including non-cyclists. I've worn it for about 800 miles in varied weather and it is wearing well; no signs of fatigue yet! I also purchased a pair of their messenger knicks and I like them quite a lot, though I did modify them by cutting out the inner short to which the chamois is stitched. I fully expect that I'll do business with them again. Best, lyle On Sep 15, 7:26 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: The subject of rivendell jerseys came up last week and this week I saw these: http://www.oregoncyclewear.com/page/page/2010300.htm my questions are: 1. has anyone worked with them before? 2. Are they any good? -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
