[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Jock Dewey]

Hey, SAMBobs:

Well, I'll weigh in here as a longtime RAMrider and now somewhat 
experienced SAMrider. Also have other racy lightweight bicycles hanging 
around for comparison.

My son and I just finished building his SAM with very nice wheels (White 
Ind / H PLUS SON TB14) and fat -- for me -- Compass 38mm tires. To say I 
was astonished at how lively the bike feels, all subjective of course, is a 
whopping understatement. A totally delightful surprise. I'm probably 
willing to admit that it feels just as fast and 'sporty' and pleasing in 
every regard as my sweet old RAM. 

The only nitpicking thing I don't care for is that kickstand plate, but 
some HHs are found with those things, too.

Wow, those tires and a light, well-designed frame are just ridiculous and 
may have changed my crusty old thinking regarding these set ups. So I'll 
line up with those who guess that you'll likely be splitting vey fine hairs 
to compare the two.

BEST REGARDS / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA 

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 3:17:33 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> If I was in the market for a used 59cm Hilsen, I would give serious 
> consideration to a NEW 55cm canti-Hillborne.  The used Hilsen might be 
> fancier, I'll grant.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 11:46:36 AM UTC-8, Eric wrote:
>>
>> Anyone looking to part with a 59cm Homer Hilsen?
>>
>> I'm partial to one w/ 3 bottle cages but open to anything!
>>
>> Thanks!! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That might not be as conclusive as you imagine, since the weight difference 
would likely be insignificant. For instance, the difference between a Tange 
1 and a Tange 2 frameset is only a handful of grams--but the tubing 
thickness (and diameter, but the SH and AHH have the same diameter frames) 
could be different. Given that one is more sloped than the other, and one 
has canti bosses, a head to head weight comparison won't be that useful 
IMO. I don't believe they are sized the same either, and that larger or 
smaller triangle could affect the ride feel as well as weight. The only 
real test would be to go all BQ on the situation and get the correct size 
for you in each model, and outfit them exactly the same, then ride them 
back to back a couple dozen times on the same course. Or just buy the one 
that you like the looks of better, or fits your budget best. 

Scott McLain wrote: I* was wondering if Bill had weighed both frames.  I 
would imagine he has.  It would be hard to argue that an AHH would be more 
lively if it weighed more or the same.*
>
>
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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[ted]

Thanks for the rain Bill, lord knows we need it.

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Bill Lindsay]

Scott McLain if I am out there.  

I am out there.  Thanks for asking

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Just in case you were going to ask a follow-up question:

I have not weighed both frames.  Next time I have my Hillborne completely 
apart I likely will weigh it.  Next time I have my hands on a bare 
Rivendell frameset of any kind I promise I will weigh it and report back.  
During my 'Rivendell Career' I have not weighed any of those Riv frames.  
I've only done one weight weenie build during that period, where I did 
weigh everything, including the frame.  My Rawland Stag frame weighed 
1974g.  That was/is reasonably light.  The fork weighed 1125g.  That was 
not/is not light.  I also weighed everything when I was doing my Schwinn 
Tempo 650B conversion.  Somebody on this board groused that he had a Tempo 
and it was a tank, or some similar pejorative.  It was/is 2382g (including 
headset cups and DT Shifters).  That's not a tank in my book.  The fork 
was/is 767g which is pretty light.  I don't know how to map weight to 
expected flex characteristics or liveliness.  

I might have another weight weenie build going

I do sometimes weigh everything when trying to do a weight reduction pass 
at a bike.  I just pulled the fenders off my Hillborne (543g) and removed a 
heavy front rack (598g) to replace it with a medium weight front rack 
(312g).  That cumulative 829g reduction is 1.83 pounds.  Of course removing 
fenders caused the rains to start up again.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 3:01:09 PM UTC-8, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Hi Eric.  keeping the thread alive.
>
> I was wondering if Bill had weighed both frames.  I would imagine he has. 
>  It would be hard to argue that an AHH would be more lively if it weighed 
> more or the same.
>
> Are you out there Bill?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Scott McLain]

Hi Eric.  keeping the thread alive.

I was wondering if Bill had weighed both frames.  I would imagine he has.  It 
would be hard to argue that an AHH would be more lively if it weighed more or 
the same.

Are you out there Bill?

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[ted]

Fair enough. I’d say the most significant difference in those bikes would be 
the style of brakes and the slope of the top tube. Reasonable folks could 
easily have different preferences. Beyond that there are aesthetic differences, 
I think even between different vintages of the same model. Of course aesthetics 
and the weight one gives therm are also a personal choice.
Me, I really really like my late toyo ahh and I wouldn’t trade it for a sam and 
an appropriate cash differential.

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I do not know for a fact if the Hilsen and the Hilborne share the same 
tubing, but based on the catalog copy, the Hilsen leaning road and the 
Hilborne leaning fire road gravel grind, I assume the Sam has a beefier 
fork for sure, and probably other more substantial frame tubing as well. 
If, as I suspect is true of many, most of the OP's miles are on pavement 
and some hard pack, and not multi-day rides laden with supplies on rutted 
dirt and trails, a Hilsen would be sweet and plenty versatile enough.

I think it comes down to, you either believe and/or experience tubing 
diameters and thicknesses, or, perhaps, the weight of a given frameset, has 
a noticeable effect on ride quality, or you don't. At some point in the 
spectrum, of course, it does. Where in that spectrum a particular rider is 
able to discern the difference is the issue (as well as how much it 
matters; to me, these days, less and less.) Sure build will affect things. 
My Treklantis weighs in the neighborhood of 36 pounds with racks, bags, 
fenders, lights, tools, water bottle. But even without all that, it has a 
different ride quality than my 1980s sport touring Kuwahara did. Almost 
identical geos (the Trekendell being almost identical to an Atlantis), but 
different tubesets. The Trek (a 1990s Mulltitrack 750, aka Trek 520 in 
another life, now sporting 26" wheels and a Riv fork) is lugged OS and the 
Kuwahara Ishiwata 022. But in terms of how a build affects the ride, I will 
say that the Rat Trap Pass on the Atlantrek make it pretty much just as fun 
to ride burdened as the Kuwahara. I like the variety, which is the thing 
that allows me to, well, enjoy the variety!;^) But, getting a bike you 
like, when we have that luxury, can be a big factor, obviously. Hence RBW. 

Jeez, I hope I got affect and effect right. My brain is not what it once 
was.







On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 9:48:38 AM UTC-5, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> What you're saying, in essence, is that I'm underestimating the effect of 
> the "build objective" on the ride.  I'm not curious enough to test your 
> hypothesis in this case, but you may well be right.  If so, then that could 
> explain the divergence of opinion I saw in the previous thread I 
> referenced.  
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 3:36:20 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Part of it for me probably hinges on the fact that I'm a mechanic.  As a 
>> mechanic, the frame and the parts are the paints and the canvas, andthe 
>> frame.  As the mechanic, I'm the painter.  The build is the thing, to me.  
>> For exactly the same reason you said: "I wouldn't recommend getting a Sam 
>> thinking it's a Hilsen", I would say: "I wouldn't recommend putting racks 
>> and heavy tires on one bike thinking it's a sporty build".  You built your 
>> Sam not to be sporty, so it's not.  You built your Hilsen to be sporty, so 
>> it is.  If you flipped your intentions, I bet you would succeed.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 12:25:39 PM UTC-8, Dave Small wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> My comment reflected only my opinion that the models ride a little 
>>> differently.  I own both now, so like you I can directly compare them. 
>>>  There's not a *lot* of difference between them, but in general I find 
>>> the Hilsen to be a little sportier and a little more fun.  I have them set 
>>> up a little differently, with racks and wider-tougher tires on the Sam, so 
>>> that could contribute to the difference I feel but I don't think it 
>>> explains all of it.  I prefer the Hilsen for general fun-rides and take the 
>>> Sam for short tours, although both models could handle both tasks albeit 
>>> maybe just a little better or worse than the other, depending on the task. 
>>>  After my first ride on the Hilsen I told my wife that if I were ever 
>>> forced to trim to N=1, the Hilsen would be a strong contender to be that 
>>> one.  I've never felt that way about the Sam, but I guess I might if I 
>>> didn't have the Hilsen.  
>>>
>>> I remember a thread a few months back on the subject of Sam versus 
>>> Homer, with many posters reflecting your opinion and many others reflecting 
>>> mine.  It was interesting to watch that discussion develop since I had a 
>>> definite opinion and so many of the initial responders disagreed with it. 
>>>  I think it's safe to say that if there's a difference, it's not a big one. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:03:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Dave Small stated that he does not consider the Hillborne and the 
 Hilsen functionally equivalent.  

 I respect that opinion but I respectfully disagree with it, as it 
 applies to myself.  I owned them both, both at the same time.  I 
 considered 
 them functionally 

[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Dave Small]

Hi Bill,

What you're saying, in essence, is that I'm underestimating the effect of 
the "build objective" on the ride.  I'm not curious enough to test your 
hypothesis in this case, but you may well be right.  If so, then that could 
explain the divergence of opinion I saw in the previous thread I 
referenced.  

Dave


On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 3:36:20 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Part of it for me probably hinges on the fact that I'm a mechanic.  As a 
> mechanic, the frame and the parts are the paints and the canvas, andthe 
> frame.  As the mechanic, I'm the painter.  The build is the thing, to me.  
> For exactly the same reason you said: "I wouldn't recommend getting a Sam 
> thinking it's a Hilsen", I would say: "I wouldn't recommend putting racks 
> and heavy tires on one bike thinking it's a sporty build".  You built your 
> Sam not to be sporty, so it's not.  You built your Hilsen to be sporty, so 
> it is.  If you flipped your intentions, I bet you would succeed.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 12:25:39 PM UTC-8, Dave Small wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> My comment reflected only my opinion that the models ride a little 
>> differently.  I own both now, so like you I can directly compare them. 
>>  There's not a *lot* of difference between them, but in general I find 
>> the Hilsen to be a little sportier and a little more fun.  I have them set 
>> up a little differently, with racks and wider-tougher tires on the Sam, so 
>> that could contribute to the difference I feel but I don't think it 
>> explains all of it.  I prefer the Hilsen for general fun-rides and take the 
>> Sam for short tours, although both models could handle both tasks albeit 
>> maybe just a little better or worse than the other, depending on the task. 
>>  After my first ride on the Hilsen I told my wife that if I were ever 
>> forced to trim to N=1, the Hilsen would be a strong contender to be that 
>> one.  I've never felt that way about the Sam, but I guess I might if I 
>> didn't have the Hilsen.  
>>
>> I remember a thread a few months back on the subject of Sam versus Homer, 
>> with many posters reflecting your opinion and many others reflecting mine. 
>>  It was interesting to watch that discussion develop since I had a definite 
>> opinion and so many of the initial responders disagreed with it.  I think 
>> it's safe to say that if there's a difference, it's not a big one.  
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:03:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Dave Small stated that he does not consider the Hillborne and the Hilsen 
>>> functionally equivalent.  
>>>
>>> I respect that opinion but I respectfully disagree with it, as it 
>>> applies to myself.  I owned them both, both at the same time.  I considered 
>>> them functionally equivalent, so I sold the "expensive" one and kept the 
>>> "inexpensive" one.  The inexpensive one (Hillborne) happened to have more 
>>> natural versatility because it has cantilever brakes, and greater resulting 
>>> clearances.  It is definitely possible that I don't have the sensitivity to 
>>> detect the differences that others may detect.  The geometry is virtually 
>>> identical so that contribution to "ride" should be identical.  I definitely 
>>> did not possess the sensitivity to detect "planing" differences between my 
>>> Hilsen and my Hillborne.  I rode the Hilsen a lot more than I rode the 
>>> Hillborne, because, of course, it was the 'nicer' bike.  I detected no 
>>> difference in the ride quality between the two.  Others more sensitive than 
>>> me or who ride a lot more than me might detect something.  The Hilsen is 
>>> certainly no worse than the Hillborne.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 9:17:32 AM UTC-8, Dave Small wrote:

 I don't consider these substitutable.  I mean, yeah, you can substitute 
 a Sam for a Homer, but they ride differently.  If I wanted a Hilsen, I'd 
 get a Hilsen.  I wouldn't recommend getting a Sam thinking it's a Hilsen.  
  
  

 On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 3:17:33 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> If I was in the market for a used 59cm Hilsen, I would give serious 
> consideration to a NEW 55cm canti-Hillborne.  
>>
>> Thanks!! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Jonathan D.]

My experience with my Sam and Rambouillet would support this. The Ram is mostly 
Dura Ace with light wheels and feels sporty while the Sam is built to carry a 
load. For me a Sam with similar components would probably have a similar ride 
to my Ram. I think the Sam invites the rider to load it up with racks and gear 
where the Ram does not. I would love to build up a light Canti Sam one day. 

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Bill Lindsay]

Part of it for me probably hinges on the fact that I'm a mechanic.  As a 
mechanic, the frame and the parts are the paints and the canvas, andthe 
frame.  As the mechanic, I'm the painter.  The build is the thing, to me.  
For exactly the same reason you said: "I wouldn't recommend getting a Sam 
thinking it's a Hilsen", I would say: "I wouldn't recommend putting racks 
and heavy tires on one bike thinking it's a sporty build".  You built your 
Sam not to be sporty, so it's not.  You built your Hilsen to be sporty, so 
it is.  If you flipped your intentions, I bet you would succeed.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 12:25:39 PM UTC-8, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> My comment reflected only my opinion that the models ride a little 
> differently.  I own both now, so like you I can directly compare them. 
>  There's not a *lot* of difference between them, but in general I find 
> the Hilsen to be a little sportier and a little more fun.  I have them set 
> up a little differently, with racks and wider-tougher tires on the Sam, so 
> that could contribute to the difference I feel but I don't think it 
> explains all of it.  I prefer the Hilsen for general fun-rides and take the 
> Sam for short tours, although both models could handle both tasks albeit 
> maybe just a little better or worse than the other, depending on the task. 
>  After my first ride on the Hilsen I told my wife that if I were ever 
> forced to trim to N=1, the Hilsen would be a strong contender to be that 
> one.  I've never felt that way about the Sam, but I guess I might if I 
> didn't have the Hilsen.  
>
> I remember a thread a few months back on the subject of Sam versus Homer, 
> with many posters reflecting your opinion and many others reflecting mine. 
>  It was interesting to watch that discussion develop since I had a definite 
> opinion and so many of the initial responders disagreed with it.  I think 
> it's safe to say that if there's a difference, it's not a big one.  
>
> Dave
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:03:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Dave Small stated that he does not consider the Hillborne and the Hilsen 
>> functionally equivalent.  
>>
>> I respect that opinion but I respectfully disagree with it, as it applies 
>> to myself.  I owned them both, both at the same time.  I considered them 
>> functionally equivalent, so I sold the "expensive" one and kept the 
>> "inexpensive" one.  The inexpensive one (Hillborne) happened to have more 
>> natural versatility because it has cantilever brakes, and greater resulting 
>> clearances.  It is definitely possible that I don't have the sensitivity to 
>> detect the differences that others may detect.  The geometry is virtually 
>> identical so that contribution to "ride" should be identical.  I definitely 
>> did not possess the sensitivity to detect "planing" differences between my 
>> Hilsen and my Hillborne.  I rode the Hilsen a lot more than I rode the 
>> Hillborne, because, of course, it was the 'nicer' bike.  I detected no 
>> difference in the ride quality between the two.  Others more sensitive than 
>> me or who ride a lot more than me might detect something.  The Hilsen is 
>> certainly no worse than the Hillborne.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 9:17:32 AM UTC-8, Dave Small wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't consider these substitutable.  I mean, yeah, you can substitute 
>>> a Sam for a Homer, but they ride differently.  If I wanted a Hilsen, I'd 
>>> get a Hilsen.  I wouldn't recommend getting a Sam thinking it's a Hilsen.   
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 3:17:33 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 If I was in the market for a used 59cm Hilsen, I would give serious 
 consideration to a NEW 55cm canti-Hillborne.  
>
> Thanks!! 
>


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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Dave Small]

Hi Bill,

My comment reflected only my opinion that the models ride a little 
differently.  I own both now, so like you I can directly compare them. 
 There's not a *lot* of difference between them, but in general I find the 
Hilsen to be a little sportier and a little more fun.  I have them set up a 
little differently, with racks and wider-tougher tires on the Sam, so that 
could contribute to the difference I feel but I don't think it explains all 
of it.  I prefer the Hilsen for general fun-rides and take the Sam for 
short tours, although both models could handle both tasks albeit maybe just 
a little better or worse than the other, depending on the task.  After my 
first ride on the Hilsen I told my wife that if I were ever forced to trim 
to N=1, the Hilsen would be a strong contender to be that one.  I've never 
felt that way about the Sam, but I guess I might if I didn't have the 
Hilsen.  

I remember a thread a few months back on the subject of Sam versus Homer, 
with many posters reflecting your opinion and many others reflecting mine. 
 It was interesting to watch that discussion develop since I had a definite 
opinion and so many of the initial responders disagreed with it.  I think 
it's safe to say that if there's a difference, it's not a big one.  

Dave

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:03:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Dave Small stated that he does not consider the Hillborne and the Hilsen 
> functionally equivalent.  
>
> I respect that opinion but I respectfully disagree with it, as it applies 
> to myself.  I owned them both, both at the same time.  I considered them 
> functionally equivalent, so I sold the "expensive" one and kept the 
> "inexpensive" one.  The inexpensive one (Hillborne) happened to have more 
> natural versatility because it has cantilever brakes, and greater resulting 
> clearances.  It is definitely possible that I don't have the sensitivity to 
> detect the differences that others may detect.  The geometry is virtually 
> identical so that contribution to "ride" should be identical.  I definitely 
> did not possess the sensitivity to detect "planing" differences between my 
> Hilsen and my Hillborne.  I rode the Hilsen a lot more than I rode the 
> Hillborne, because, of course, it was the 'nicer' bike.  I detected no 
> difference in the ride quality between the two.  Others more sensitive than 
> me or who ride a lot more than me might detect something.  The Hilsen is 
> certainly no worse than the Hillborne.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 9:17:32 AM UTC-8, Dave Small wrote:
>>
>> I don't consider these substitutable.  I mean, yeah, you can substitute a 
>> Sam for a Homer, but they ride differently.  If I wanted a Hilsen, I'd get 
>> a Hilsen.  I wouldn't recommend getting a Sam thinking it's a Hilsen.
>>
>> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 3:17:33 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> If I was in the market for a used 59cm Hilsen, I would give serious 
>>> consideration to a NEW 55cm canti-Hillborne.  

 Thanks!! 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Bill Lindsay]

Dave Small stated that he does not consider the Hillborne and the Hilsen 
functionally equivalent.  

I respect that opinion but I respectfully disagree with it, as it applies 
to myself.  I owned them both, both at the same time.  I considered them 
functionally equivalent, so I sold the "expensive" one and kept the 
"inexpensive" one.  The inexpensive one (Hillborne) happened to have more 
natural versatility because it has cantilever brakes, and greater resulting 
clearances.  It is definitely possible that I don't have the sensitivity to 
detect the differences that others may detect.  The geometry is virtually 
identical so that contribution to "ride" should be identical.  I definitely 
did not possess the sensitivity to detect "planing" differences between my 
Hilsen and my Hillborne.  I rode the Hilsen a lot more than I rode the 
Hillborne, because, of course, it was the 'nicer' bike.  I detected no 
difference in the ride quality between the two.  Others more sensitive than 
me or who ride a lot more than me might detect something.  The Hilsen is 
certainly no worse than the Hillborne.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 9:17:32 AM UTC-8, Dave Small wrote:
>
> I don't consider these substitutable.  I mean, yeah, you can substitute a 
> Sam for a Homer, but they ride differently.  If I wanted a Hilsen, I'd get 
> a Hilsen.  I wouldn't recommend getting a Sam thinking it's a Hilsen.
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 3:17:33 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> If I was in the market for a used 59cm Hilsen, I would give serious 
>> consideration to a NEW 55cm canti-Hillborne.  
>>>
>>> Thanks!! 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Dave Small]

I don't consider these substitutable.  I mean, yeah, you can substitute a 
Sam for a Homer, but they ride differently.  If I wanted a Hilsen, I'd get 
a Hilsen.  I wouldn't recommend getting a Sam thinking it's a Hilsen.

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 3:17:33 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> If I was in the market for a used 59cm Hilsen, I would give serious 
> consideration to a NEW 55cm canti-Hillborne.  
>>
>> Thanks!! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Bill Lindsay]

If I was in the market for a used 59cm Hilsen, I would give serious 
consideration to a NEW 55cm canti-Hillborne.  The used Hilsen might be 
fancier, I'll grant.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 11:46:36 AM UTC-8, Eric wrote:
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> Anyone looking to part with a 59cm Homer Hilsen?
>
> I'm partial to one w/ 3 bottle cages but open to anything!
>
> Thanks!! 
>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen 59cm

[sameness]

Hi Scott, sent you a PM regarding Dave's old bike, but my success rate on 
those is about 50/50. 

Please contact me at sameness at gee mail dot com if you want to talk 
turkey?

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 7:34:03 PM UTC-7, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> I have one with three bottle mounts.
>
> https://flic.kr/p/L5qzXE
>
> I don't know if you would like the custom paint color.  It is a 59.  Would 
> consider selling.  This bike used to belong to Dave at Riv.
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 1:37:56 PM UTC-6, Eric wrote:
>>
>> Bump...still looking for a 59cm with three water bottle mounts.
>>
>> Thanks!!! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen 59cm

[Eric]

Gotta hold off on this request at the current time. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen 59cm

[Scott McLain]

I have one with three bottle mounts.

https://flic.kr/p/L5qzXE

I don't know if you would like the custom paint color.  It is a 59.  Would 
consider selling.  This bike used to belong to Dave at Riv.

Scott




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> Bump...still looking for a 59cm with three water bottle mounts.
>
> Thanks!!! 
>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen 59cm

[Eric]

Bump...still looking for a 59cm with three water bottle mounts.

Thanks!!! 

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen 59cm

[Rob H.]

I've got a 59cm that I've considered selling. It doesn't have the 3 bottle 
mounts though, only two. You could just add the twofish bottle mount..

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 2:05:12 PM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
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> Still looking! 
>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen 59cm

[Eric]

Still looking! 

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen 59cm

[B Y]

Here's one... 

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bop/4981136753.html

(Not mine)

...and not sure if it has 3 bottle mounts.

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