Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Beth H]

That's GENIUS. -- Beth H in PDX

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On Aug 8, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Speaking of short rides.  We have an annual campout with some old friends 
> that visit every August from Wisconsin.  Every year we'd go for a weekend of 
> car-camping at Samuel P Taylor park.  One year, Samuel P Taylor park had some 
> problem with their plumbing and there was going to be no running water.  We 
> like the running water and so we re-located our campout to a backyard in 
> Berkeley.  That 'campout' went so well that now we do it every year at the 
> same Berkeley backyard.  
> 
> This year, my son (15) and I decided that not only would we be camping out in 
> the backyard, but we would tandem cycletour to that Berkeley back yard.  We 
> loaded up our Ibis Touche with our tent, sleeping bags, stove, change of 
> clothes, and toiletries and rode from the El Cerrito Hills down to North 
> Berkeley.  Down the hill was probably about a 20 minute ride, and back up the 
> hill the next day might have been close to an hour.  It was a short and 
> altogether pointless ride, but it was fun, and I imagine it will be a fond 
> memory of an outing spent with my young son.  A willing and athletic 15 year 
> old can provide some significant thrust up a hill.  I'm glad I took the small 
> amount of time to take that short ride.  
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
> On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 3:55:25 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
> Grant mentioned this to me a few weeks ago and I thought I'd pass it along: 
> "A 10 to 30 minute ride is always a good idea." I really appreciated this 
> because - although I'm not trying to bust out metric centuries anymore - I 
> still have a tendency to think short rides don't count as a "real ride." Of 
> course that's silly, but apparently I needed to be reminded. Today I had 
> exactly 30 minutes available before work started, so I grabbed my Bobbin mini 
> velo (Choco-Moose bars) and hit the road. It was fabulous.
> He also said, "You should never do a ride you wouldn't want to do every day. 
> Well maybe 4 times a year, 5 tops." I love that.
> 
> Joe "just (a short) ride" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[PG]

One thing I learned years ago, in order to best lose weight through 
cycling, is that riding a short distance everyday is very effective...as 
long as it doesn't require any additional eating.

So...

A daily 20-30 minute ride in the morning or evening, without any extra  
pre-or-post calorie intake, is the ticket. 

Over time, I've become addicted to short rides...they are great fun!

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[R Shannon]

Beth, love your attitude! Wishing you many happy rides.

Best,
Richard

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Beth H  wrote:

> Since my health began going up and down, I've come to really appreciate
> those short rides, especially on the days they're all I can manage.
> Any day I can ride a bicycle becomes a better day.
> Here's to many more better days for everyone --Cheers!
> Beth in pdx
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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Scott McLain]

Eat Bacon Don't Jog has some really interesting chapters on this subject (41, 
42, 79).  Grants interview on NPR was a real life changer for me. you can 
search for it on NPR.org.

My wife has started to ride to work with me in the mornings (5 miles), and it 
has been really fun!!  It forced me to explore new routes (my route was the 
shortest distance between two points and was a little sketchy for her).  She 
usually wants to take the harder route through the big drainage we have to 
cross because she likes to race me up the other side and she usually wins 
(because I'm not stupid).  The mornings are spectacular where I live and so my 
rides to work in the morning with my wife are my favorite rides!  All done in 
my work clothes!

I was reminded of Grants message to not ruin the joy of just riding by making 
it all about the challenge or keeping score this weekend.  My neighbors who 
know I ride talked me into helping them fill a spot on their relay race team in 
a race from Salt Lake to Las Vegas.  It was good to spend time with friends, 
and I enjoyed my legs of the event even though it was super hot.  

Scott




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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, that Reader is where I first started stopping worrying about becoming the 
happy long distance cyclist. I took Grant's recent advice to me to be a 
continuation of that approach.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[RichS]

Patrick, it's noteworthy you should bring Mark Sisson into the conversation. I 
believe Grant is an advocate of Sisson's approach. There was an extensive piece 
on Mark in a Riv Reader a few years ago.

Richard - happily enjoying rides and walks wherever they take me:)

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Justin August]

^^^

-Justin

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Joe Bernard]

A 10 to 30 minute ride is always a good idea. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Deacon Patrick]

Justin, eveything hinges on the definition of "cardio" or "chronic cardio" 
which is what these studies are about. If I understand correctly, these 
studies are NOT about long and slow effort, but long and hard effort, day 
in, day out. Yes, that is bad for us. However, build up your aerobic base, 
and long and "slow" can actually be fairly speedy.

For example, on my ride today, the first part was up the Pikes Peak 
Highway. Paved. A roadie passed me (though I was surprised how small the 
speed differential was), heading for the top. I cheerfully struck up a 
conversation, saying hello and asking how he's doing. "I ... only ... talk 
... on ... exhale!" Oh. OK. His buddy also passed me, but slowed down a wee 
bit and we talked briefly before I turned off onto single track. That first 
guy? He is the definition of chronic cardio.

>From what I understand, either short and very hard effort, or long and slow 
(aerobic, meaning you can hold a conversation normally), promote health.

Steve, here are some links that may help you know at least some of the 
studies:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-evidence-continues-to-mount-against-chronic-cardio/#axzz4Fvzg5ur7

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/did-humans-evolve-to-be-long-distance-runners/#axzz4Fvzg5ur7

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/chronic-cardio-2/#axzz4Fvzg5ur7

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-6, Justin August wrote:
>
> It's well documented that extended cardio on a regular basis over works 
> your heart and can be detrimental in the long run. It's also well 
> documented that shorter bouts of exercise can be extremely helpful for 
> heart, muscle and bone health if you push as hard as you can. 
>
> Mental health is less easy to document as it's far more variable between 
> people. 
>
> I'd say that anyone getting out is good whether it's a 10 minute ride, a 
> 10 hour ride, a 10 Pokemon walk or anything else.
>
> -Justin, not a doctor but married to an NP
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Steve Palincsar]

Can you post some citations to that documentation?  I strongly suspect 
you have misinterpreted what you've read; either that, or you are 
grossly misrepresenting what you have read in your first sentence.  
Presumably in the context of this thread, you mean us to understand 
"extended" as > 30 minutes?



On 07/30/2016 12:46 PM, Justin August wrote:

It's well documented that extended cardio on a regular basis over works your 
heart and can be detrimental in the long run. It's also well documented that 
shorter bouts of exercise can be extremely helpful for heart, muscle and bone 
health if you push as hard as you can.

Mental health is less easy to document as it's far more variable between people.

I'd say that anyone getting out is good whether it's a 10 minute ride, a 10 
hour ride, a 10 Pokemon walk or anything else.

-Justin, not a doctor but married to an NP



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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Justin August]

It's well documented that extended cardio on a regular basis over works your 
heart and can be detrimental in the long run. It's also well documented that 
shorter bouts of exercise can be extremely helpful for heart, muscle and bone 
health if you push as hard as you can. 

Mental health is less easy to document as it's far more variable between 
people. 

I'd say that anyone getting out is good whether it's a 10 minute ride, a 10 
hour ride, a 10 Pokemon walk or anything else.

-Justin, not a doctor but married to an NP

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Patrick Moore]

6.8 miles on the folder yesterday, to the hole-in-the-wall cobbler, who
will put moccasin soles on an old pair of Timberlands, and fix the corners
of the hassock cushion that the new dog chewed holes in.

I felt better!

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Lungimsam]

Coasting...cool breezes

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Bill M.]

According to my cardiologist 30 minutes of moderate exercise daily (e.g. a 
brisk half hour walk) is all that is needed for cardiovascular fitness, and 
more that that can actually be detrimental if one's criterion is longevity. 
 I do find that's rather short to achieve the mental benefits of cycling, 
he would say that's just an addiction to endorphins.

Bill 
Stockton, CA

On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 3:56:40 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> I presume your choice of mental health over bone health means you don't 
> have bone health issues.  That's great, bone health issues are really 
> not good.  But I really can't see 10 minutes of riding being anything 
> more than a way to get from here to 2 miles farther down the road; fun 
> and mental heath benefits probably don't start accruing for a trip that 
> short.   30 minutes, definitely more like it. 
>
>
> On 07/29/2016 06:24 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: 
> > Steve, you're never gonna sell me on a 10-minute ride being "a waste of 
> time." Frankly, that's a bizarre statement on this forum. I'd be better off 
> physically with a 10-minute walk? Don't care, I don't go for walks..I'm on 
> my feet all day as it is. I'll take the ride and the mental health it 
> brings every time. That said, I usually go for at least 30, although I just 
> did 15. 
> > 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Lungimsam]

Just the .5 mile to the village shopping center, and the .5 mile back is an 
exhilerating lift for me!

Meatball sub run at 9:30 pm!!! Fun!!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Joe Bernard]

I realize you don't see it, but several others in this thread do. If I tell you 
a 10 minute ride is good for my brain, you can believe me. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Steve Palincsar]

I presume your choice of mental health over bone health means you don't 
have bone health issues.  That's great, bone health issues are really 
not good.  But I really can't see 10 minutes of riding being anything 
more than a way to get from here to 2 miles farther down the road; fun 
and mental heath benefits probably don't start accruing for a trip that 
short.   30 minutes, definitely more like it.



On 07/29/2016 06:24 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

Steve, you're never gonna sell me on a 10-minute ride being "a waste of time." 
Frankly, that's a bizarre statement on this forum. I'd be better off physically with a 
10-minute walk? Don't care, I don't go for walks..I'm on my feet all day as it is. I'll 
take the ride and the mental health it brings every time. That said, I usually go for at 
least 30, although I just did 15.



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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Joe Bernard]

Steve, you're never gonna sell me on a 10-minute ride being "a waste of time." 
Frankly, that's a bizarre statement on this forum. I'd be better off physically 
with a 10-minute walk? Don't care, I don't go for walks..I'm on my feet all day 
as it is. I'll take the ride and the mental health it brings every time. That 
said, I usually go for at least 30, although I just did 15. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Brewster Fong]

On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 2:20:10 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 07/29/2016 05:13 PM, Brewster Fong wrote:
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 10:06:51 AM UTC-7, peec...@yahoo.com wrote: 
>>
>> As ANT bicycles said once upon a time: "transport, not sport".  There is 
>> great value in riding for commutes, errands, and slow rides ridden just for 
>> the sake of enjoyment.  Exercise is a happy byproduct.  Tim Petersen
>>
>
> That's kind of a weird saying?!  Why not sport?  Yes, during the 
> week, "transportation riding" is great. We see lots of people commuting to 
> and from work here in SF. Hey, lots of people have *electric bikes* and 
> commute with their children/groceries, etc. It sure beats driving a 
> minivan! (ask me how I know!)  
>
> But on weekend, why not ride for sport (fun)?!  My buddies and I like to 
> go for nice 40 miles with lots of hills (I ride in the SF bay area and 
> hills are a way of life) and when we have the time, as much as 80 miles!  
> It is fun and we get tons of exercise. I have one friend who in the last 4 
> years got into cycling (from golf!) and has lost like 30+ pounds! He now 
> flies up the hill and really enjoys it!  Btw, he's got the latest carbon 
> Trek with di2 and loves it. Hey, if it gets him out and riding, I'm all for 
> it.
>
> Further, ANT sells a touring bike. Wouldn't riding out in the country or 
> going on a tour be a form of "sport?"  Seems more sporty than 
> transportation. 
>
>
> We don't really know the context in which "transport, not sport" was 
> said.  Perhaps they were referring to a purely transportation-oriented 
> bicycle, which - let's face it - isn't necessarily the sportiest thing out 
> there to ride.  Bike share bikes are a fine example.
>
>
>
> Capital bikeshare is a splendid addition to Metro DC's public 
> transportation system.  It's a brilliant idea.  It seems as though the 
> bikes are entirely indestructible.  But certainly not my idea of "sporty," 
> and I can hardly imagine doing a 60-80 mile ride on one of them...
>

Got it!  In SF, we got the same bikes, just a different color:





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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Steve Palincsar]

Ah.  I thought that was a 1-way distance.  I always referred to my 
commute as "8 miles" -- one way.



On 07/29/2016 05:38 PM, 'Stephen Kemp' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

24mph?! Ha ha! Nope, 12 miles in total taken in two 6 mile/30-ish minute chunks.



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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

['Stephen Kemp' via RBW Owners Bunch]

24mph?! Ha ha! Nope, 12 miles in total taken in two 6 mile/30-ish minute chunks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/29/2016 05:13 PM, Brewster Fong wrote:



On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 10:06:51 AM UTC-7, peec...@yahoo.com wrote:

As ANT bicycles said once upon a time: "transport, not sport".
 There is great value in riding for commutes, errands, and slow
rides ridden just for the sake of enjoyment.  Exercise is a happy
byproduct.  Tim Petersen


That's kind of a weird saying?!  Why not sport?  Yes, during the 
week, "transportation riding" is great. We see lots of people 
commuting to and from work here in SF. Hey, lots of people 
have *electric bikes* and commute with their children/groceries, etc. 
It sure beats driving a minivan! (ask me how I know!)


But on weekend, why not ride for sport (fun)?!  My buddies and I like 
to go for nice 40 miles with lots of hills (I ride in the SF bay area 
and hills are a way of life) and when we have the time, as much as 80 
miles!  It is fun and we get tons of exercise. I have one friend who 
in the last 4 years got into cycling (from golf!) and has lost like 
30+ pounds! He now flies up the hill and really enjoys it!  Btw, he's 
got the latest carbon Trek with di2 and loves it. Hey, if it gets him 
out and riding, I'm all for it.


Further, ANT sells a touring bike. Wouldn't riding out in the country 
or going on a tour be a form of "sport?"  Seems more sporty than 
transportation.




We don't really know the context in which "transport, not sport" was 
said.  Perhaps they were referring to a purely transportation-oriented 
bicycle, which - let's face it - isn't necessarily the sportiest thing 
out there to ride.  Bike share bikes are a fine example.




Capital bikeshare is a splendid addition to Metro DC's public 
transportation system.  It's a brilliant idea.  It seems as though the 
bikes are entirely indestructible.  But certainly not my idea of 
"sporty," and I can hardly imagine doing a 60-80 mile ride on one of them...


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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Brewster Fong]

On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 1:12:44 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 4:55:25 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote: 
>
> Grant mentioned this to me a few weeks ago and I thought I'd pass it 
>> along: "A 10 to 30 minute ride is always a good idea." I really appreciated 
>> this because - although I'm not trying to bust out metric centuries anymore 
>> - I still have a tendency to think short rides don't count as a "real 
>> ride." Of course that's silly, but apparently I needed to be reminded. 
>> Today I had exactly 30 minutes available before work started, so I grabbed 
>> my Bobbin mini velo (Choco-Moose bars) and hit the road. It was fabulous. 
>>
>> He also said, "You should never do a ride you wouldn't want to do every 
>> day. Well maybe 4 times a year, 5 tops." I love that.
>>
>>
>
> In many ways a 10 minute ride is a waste of time and a waste of an 
> opportunity.  All those people who have potential issues with bone 
> density/osteo-whatever, would be much better off walking the two miles, 
> thereby strengthening their bones, than riding, which does nothing for them 
> other than sheer transportation.  It's not long enough to even act as 
> exercise.  And at this time of year (the entire country being in the midst 
> of a continent-wide sweltering heat dome) it's too short to make it worth 
> while to change into comfortable clothing, and in uncomfortable clothing, 
> even a mere paltry 10 minutes of effort will make you so uncomfortable 
> you'll give up on the entire idea.
>
> A half hour is more like it: you can get much farther in that time than 
> you can walking, and 30 minutes of cycling is actually enough to do you 
> some good in terms of exercise, even though it's not long enough to really 
> enjoy yourself.  An hour is better than a half hour; two hours is better 
> still, and three hours is even better.   But for real fun, 5-8 hours is 
> more like it.
>

I agree with Steve. I live in SF and on a hill.  During the week, I have a 
10 mile round trip commute. It takes about 20 minutes to get to work, but 
it is mostly downhill and flat. Nice easy warm up that I almost never sweat 
as its usually too cold (foggy and cold morning with heavy mist today!)  
Going home is a different story. It takes about 45 minutes to get home and 
it is mostly uphill. The last mile or so is a climb. I love it! By the time 
I get home I have a nice sweat and just change or shower.

On the weekends, I'm all for the long ride. I usually do a 40 or so mile 
loop with 4000ft of climbing. But this year, I seem to have more time and 
have done several 60-80 mile rides with as much as 6000 ft of climbing that 
last from 5-7 hours!  We actually have to stop off and eat to get some 
energy for the ride home. Note to self - no ice cold IPA beer and sausages 
at the 1/2 pointmakes the ride home really, really difficult of 
course, YMMV! Good Luck! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/29/2016 08:00 AM, 'Stephen Kemp' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Forget the physical side - we're talking about the joy of cycling 
here! My daily commute is ~12 miles so I get 2 x 30-ish minute 
rides each day which is lovely.




You ride at 24 mph?  Wow.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Steve Palincsar]

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 4:55:25 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:


Grant mentioned this to me a few weeks ago and I thought I'd pass
it along: "A 10 to 30 minute ride is always a good idea." I really
appreciated this because - although I'm not trying to bust out
metric centuries anymore - I still have a tendency to think short
rides don't count as a "real ride." Of course that's silly, but
apparently I needed to be reminded. Today I had exactly 30 minutes
available before work started, so I grabbed my Bobbin mini velo
(Choco-Moose bars) and hit the road. It was fabulous.

He also said, "You should never do a ride you wouldn't want to do
every day. Well maybe 4 times a year, 5 tops." I love that.





In many ways a 10 minute ride is a waste of time and a waste of an 
opportunity.  All those people who have potential issues with bone 
density/osteo-whatever, would be much better off walking the two miles, 
thereby strengthening their bones, than riding, which does nothing for 
them other than sheer transportation.  It's not long enough to even act 
as exercise.  And at this time of year (the entire country being in the 
midst of a continent-wide sweltering heat dome) it's too short to make 
it worth while to change into comfortable clothing, and in uncomfortable 
clothing, even a mere paltry 10 minutes of effort will make you so 
uncomfortable you'll give up on the entire idea.


A half hour is more like it: you can get much farther in that time than 
you can walking, and 30 minutes of cycling is actually enough to do you 
some good in terms of exercise, even though it's not long enough to 
really enjoy yourself.  An hour is better than a half hour; two hours is 
better still, and three hours is even better. But for real fun, 5-8 
hours is more like it.


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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[René Sterental]

My commute to work when I bike gives me two choices:
- Ride the whole way, which is 15.5 miles and I am now doing in about 1:15,
all flat, 70/30 pavement/trail.
- Take the train with the bike, which results in about 8 miles of riding at
both ends of the train.

For both options I need to account for the same amount of time door to
door, factoring for getting to the train station early, etc.

I'm trying to do this 3+ times per week as my travel or other commitments
allow, but I have found the following:
- I love doing the 15.5 mile ride in the morning when it's cool in the
summer and dark in the winter and I can see the sunrise. I get to work
invigorated and happy.
- I have started also doing the whole ride back in the afternoon, just
because when I get on the bike I feel like doing it and in spite of having
to do the ride with a pretty strong headwind which adds to the challenge.
Otherwise, the routine is to take the train in the afternoon.

Having done the whole ride in the morning or taken the train with the
shorter ride, means that no matter how tired I may feel at the end of the
day, mentally or physically, I have to get on the bike again, and Ryan
stated, after a short while I feel invigorated by it.

On the days when I decide to drive to work and say I will go ride in the
evening after I get home, there is an 80/20 chance I won't do it. I'll be
too tired, it's hot, and whatever other excuses apply. I hate gyms as well.

So this advice of just doing a short ride if that's all you can do, is
simple and easy to follow and will often lead to a spontaneous lengthening
of the ride if your time allows it.

All good!

René

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Ryan Fleming  wrote:

> Grant's advice is good as usual...my commute to work  is about 5-6 km in
> the morning, which with stop lights and signs takes about 20 minutes and
> about 9-10 km home for about 35 minutes or so. I'll bail if it's an
> apocalyptic thunderstorm which can happen in July, but it's great. I work
> in IT as a software developer  and while I'm not doing brain surgery, it
> can be stressful, so the ride (or walk home in winter) is a nice way to
> unwind. Sometimes after a tough day, I feel like I can barely drag my ass
> home, but amazingly, after 10 minutes or so, I get into it...funny how that
> works.  Sure beats the gym, but I've never been a gym person at the best of
> times
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 11:32:00 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I must take this to heart. I suffer from depression and very often the
>> thought of a "real" ride is offputting. OTOH, sometimes just a bit of
>> activity out the door can snap me out of it.
>>
>> +1 for good advice.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 8:09 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Now that I don't live within riding distance of the local 10 mile bike
>>> path, 100% of my rides fall into the 10-30 minute category.  Fits perfectly
>>> within the Rivendell philosophy of just hopping on and riding.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 5:55:25 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Grant mentioned this to me a few weeks ago and I thought I'd pass it
 along: "A 10 to 30 minute ride is always a good idea." I really appreciated
 this because - although I'm not trying to bust out metric centuries anymore
 - I still have a tendency to think short rides don't count as a "real
 ride." Of course that's silly, but apparently I needed to be reminded.
 Today I had exactly 30 minutes available before work started, so I grabbed
 my Bobbin mini velo (Choco-Moose bars) and hit the road. It was fabulous.

 He also said, "You should never do a ride you wouldn't want to do every
 day. Well maybe 4 times a year, 5 tops." I love that.

 Joe "just (a short) ride" Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Ryan Fleming]

Grant's advice is good as usual...my commute to work  is about 5-6 km in 
the morning, which with stop lights and signs takes about 20 minutes and 
about 9-10 km home for about 35 minutes or so. I'll bail if it's an 
apocalyptic thunderstorm which can happen in July, but it's great. I work 
in IT as a software developer  and while I'm not doing brain surgery, it 
can be stressful, so the ride (or walk home in winter) is a nice way to 
unwind. Sometimes after a tough day, I feel like I can barely drag my ass 
home, but amazingly, after 10 minutes or so, I get into it...funny how that 
works.  Sure beats the gym, but I've never been a gym person at the best of 
times

On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 11:32:00 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I must take this to heart. I suffer from depression and very often the 
> thought of a "real" ride is offputting. OTOH, sometimes just a bit of 
> activity out the door can snap me out of it.
>
> +1 for good advice.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 8:09 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Now that I don't live within riding distance of the local 10 mile bike 
>> path, 100% of my rides fall into the 10-30 minute category.  Fits perfectly 
>> within the Rivendell philosophy of just hopping on and riding.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 5:55:25 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Grant mentioned this to me a few weeks ago and I thought I'd pass it 
>>> along: "A 10 to 30 minute ride is always a good idea." I really appreciated 
>>> this because - although I'm not trying to bust out metric centuries anymore 
>>> - I still have a tendency to think short rides don't count as a "real 
>>> ride." Of course that's silly, but apparently I needed to be reminded. 
>>> Today I had exactly 30 minutes available before work started, so I grabbed 
>>> my Bobbin mini velo (Choco-Moose bars) and hit the road. It was fabulous. 
>>>
>>> He also said, "You should never do a ride you wouldn't want to do every 
>>> day. Well maybe 4 times a year, 5 tops." I love that.
>>>
>>> Joe "just (a short) ride" Bernard
>>> Vallejo, CA.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Ron Mc]

from my house, a 10min ride is always a workout - it starts with a 400' 
drop that I'm going to have to climb if I want to get back home.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides

[Patrick Moore]

I must take this to heart. I suffer from depression and very often the
thought of a "real" ride is offputting. OTOH, sometimes just a bit of
activity out the door can snap me out of it.

+1 for good advice.



On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 8:09 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Now that I don't live within riding distance of the local 10 mile bike
> path, 100% of my rides fall into the 10-30 minute category.  Fits perfectly
> within the Rivendell philosophy of just hopping on and riding.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 5:55:25 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Grant mentioned this to me a few weeks ago and I thought I'd pass it
>> along: "A 10 to 30 minute ride is always a good idea." I really appreciated
>> this because - although I'm not trying to bust out metric centuries anymore
>> - I still have a tendency to think short rides don't count as a "real
>> ride." Of course that's silly, but apparently I needed to be reminded.
>> Today I had exactly 30 minutes available before work started, so I grabbed
>> my Bobbin mini velo (Choco-Moose bars) and hit the road. It was fabulous.
>>
>> He also said, "You should never do a ride you wouldn't want to do every
>> day. Well maybe 4 times a year, 5 tops." I love that.
>>
>> Joe "just (a short) ride" Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
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