Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
OK, well that was a red-herring. You are right that they taper in a little, but the thing I'm talking about tapers in A LOT and only on the left side. This 7400 rear hub kind of shows it: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dura-Ace-Rear-Tubular-7400-Hub-Nisi-Countache-Rim-8-9-Speed-Excellent-Condition-/120914827269?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessorieshash=item1c2715d805#ht_500wt_1361 Especially in the second photo. Yours look like the right part on both sides. The knurls do look kind of flattened out, but not in a way where I'd say Yes, that wheel will slip, because of those knurls. Resume your debugging process. Anything else from my would be a wild guess. If you asked for my wild guess, I'd try those 'slow-release' levers. The ones you need an allen wrench to tighten. On chrome rear dropouts in the past, that's been helpful for me. I think they generate substantially more clampforce. On Monday, May 14, 2012 5:31:03 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Your wish is my command: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/ Alligators and Pacman... arrrgh, flashback to the 80's!!! On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:36 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Both are bevelled? That's just weird or I'm losing it. Can you photograph it for me? And the alligator mouth wants to eat the bigger number, so you are looking for a 30yo mechanic, not a 30yo mechanic. :) On Sunday, May 13, 2012 11:19:57 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: William, thanks! VERY interesting... kind of a cool feature on Shimao's part. They are indeed old DA hubs from the 90's. 7700 series to be exact. I converted them to 135mm http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/2406321019/four years ago. I just checked and *both *locknuts are beveled on the rear, but neither of the front ones are. So, so, so, so... I'm gonna' see if I can find a non-beveled one I may have lying around or swap one out from elsewhere and give that a try! I'll keep looking for the elusive 30 y.o. mechanic. Wish me luck with that one! GREAT advice in this continuing saga! On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:28 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: There is no way whatsoever for dish to have anything to do with this problem. It does no harm to have dish checked if you think it might not be right, but dish never caused a hub to slip in the dropouts. The reason the first generation of 130mm spaced dura ace hubs had a beveled locknut was to aid in wedging your 126mm frameset open to take the thing. That beveled locknut was on the left side, though, and we're talking about dura ace cassette hubs from the early 1990s. If you swapped parts around when you converted this dura ace rear hub to 135mm, then you actually might have solved your own problem. Specifically if you moved the left side locknut on an early 90's dura ace hub to the driveside, then that very well might be the cause of your slippage. Have that specifically looked at, preferably by a mechanic older than 30. On Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:57:55 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Jeremy et al, I finally got around to changing the wheelset out to a Phil/Bontrager heavy duty wheelsethttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/7193475208/in/photostreamI have. Don't use it very much, so it wasn't the first thing I thought of. Thanks for the suggestions to try that approach! Anyway, Phil w/ the same Mavic skewers led to zero slippage. I rode the same route (although a bit slower due to a headache) as last week. I purposely left the skewer a bit looser than I was using it on the other wheelset (Dura Ace converted to 135 spacing). Not a problem at all! Soo, some combination of the DA wheelset with the bike is leading to wheel slippage. I'm gong to get the dish checked out as suggested, maybe that is it? I noticed the DA clamping surface isn't fully flat. The edges are beveled so there's not as much contact (why?). There's maybe only 50-75% the contact surface that the Phil hubs have. Possibly part of the problem. Buut, I have the same hubs on my other Riv w/ horizontal drop outs (DA skewers) and those never slip. Side note: This problem has been progressive. The DA wheelset is probably three or four years old. No problems with my old wheelset, and problems with the DA one seems to have come on slowly. An occasional need to recenter here or there, but not several times during a ride like it is now. So I'm currently back in love with my bike, but want all my wheels to work. Things are getting curioser and curioser... Thanks again for the info and input on this, I'm really trying to figure it out! On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.comwrote: Is it clear when during your rides that it slips? Just spinning along, cranking out of the saddle, or spinning up a steep climb? I fear it may just be that your combination of horizontal dropouts, QR's,
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:43 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: If you asked for my wild guess, I'd try those 'slow-release' levers. The ones you need an allen wrench to tighten. On chrome rear dropouts in the past, that's been helpful for me. I think they generate substantially more clampforce. That's opposite my experience, but I'd be interested to hear the slow-release skewers you had success with. I'm not able to get near the clamping force out of those 5mm bolts that I get from an internal cam QR. I think it almost has to be the axle at this point. Many have run QRs with horizontal drops without issue. I did with a 22/28 low gear for thousands of slip-free miles, and that using a Deore LX skewer with aluminum faces. Frustrating, to be sure, but I wouldn't be distracted by things other than that axle. Best, joe broach portland, or -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
On my Davidson road bike, with chromed dropouts, I couldn't stop slipping with Mavic or Dura Ace internal cam skewers. Everything on the bike was brand new. I replaced them with Control Tech Ti skewers (which I was willing to do also trying to get a lugged steel bike under 18lb). I never had a single slip with those. That was 1992. On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:52:46 AM UTC-7, joe b. wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:43 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: If you asked for my wild guess, I'd try those 'slow-release' levers. The ones you need an allen wrench to tighten. On chrome rear dropouts in the past, that's been helpful for me. I think they generate substantially more clampforce. That's opposite my experience, but I'd be interested to hear the slow-release skewers you had success with. I'm not able to get near the clamping force out of those 5mm bolts that I get from an internal cam QR. I think it almost has to be the axle at this point. Many have run QRs with horizontal drops without issue. I did with a 22/28 low gear for thousands of slip-free miles, and that using a Deore LX skewer with aluminum faces. Frustrating, to be sure, but I wouldn't be distracted by things other than that axle. Best, joe broach portland, or -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qJ2cKaOEUdkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:13 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: On my Davidson road bike, with chromed dropouts, I couldn't stop slipping with Mavic or Dura Ace internal cam skewers. Everything on the bike was brand new. I replaced them with Control Tech Ti skewers (which I was willing to do also trying to get a lugged steel bike under 18lb). I never had a single slip with those. That was 1992. That makes some sense, titanium being harder (I think) than steel. The ones I've used have had aluminum or steel faces. I'll file this trick away for future use! Best, joe broach portland, or -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
Joe's experience with allen skewers is mine, tho' mine all have aluminum contact surfaces. I once snapped the steel skewer on one trying to clamp a fixed wheel in chromed, horizontal dropouts. On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Joe Broach joebro...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:43 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: If you asked for my wild guess, I'd try those 'slow-release' levers. The ones you need an allen wrench to tighten. On chrome rear dropouts in the past, that's been helpful for me. I think they generate substantially more clampforce. That's opposite my experience, but I'd be interested to hear the slow-release skewers you had success with. I'm not able to get near the clamping force out of those 5mm bolts that I get from an internal cam QR. I think it almost has to be the axle at this point. Many have run QRs with horizontal drops without issue. I did with a 22/28 low gear for thousands of slip-free miles, and that using a Deore LX skewer with aluminum faces. Frustrating, to be sure, but I wouldn't be distracted by things other than that axle. Best, joe broach portland, or -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Rainer Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
The control tech skewers have a ti skewer part and aluminum ends. I never had to tighten too hard. On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:18:26 PM UTC-7, joe b. wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:13 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: On my Davidson road bike, with chromed dropouts, I couldn't stop slipping with Mavic or Dura Ace internal cam skewers. Everything on the bike was brand new. I replaced them with Control Tech Ti skewers (which I was willing to do also trying to get a lugged steel bike under 18lb). I never had a single slip with those. That was 1992. That makes some sense, titanium being harder (I think) than steel. The ones I've used have had aluminum or steel faces. I'll file this trick away for future use! Best, joe broach portland, or -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/hwJ3BVMuVMwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
William, thanks! VERY interesting... kind of a cool feature on Shimao's part. They are indeed old DA hubs from the 90's. 7700 series to be exact. I converted them to 135mm http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/2406321019/ four years ago. I just checked and *both *locknuts are beveled on the rear, but neither of the front ones are. So, so, so, so... I'm gonna' see if I can find a non-beveled one I may have lying around or swap one out from elsewhere and give that a try! I'll keep looking for the elusive 30 y.o. mechanic. Wish me luck with that one! GREAT advice in this continuing saga! On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:28 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: There is no way whatsoever for dish to have anything to do with this problem. It does no harm to have dish checked if you think it might not be right, but dish never caused a hub to slip in the dropouts. The reason the first generation of 130mm spaced dura ace hubs had a beveled locknut was to aid in wedging your 126mm frameset open to take the thing. That beveled locknut was on the left side, though, and we're talking about dura ace cassette hubs from the early 1990s. If you swapped parts around when you converted this dura ace rear hub to 135mm, then you actually might have solved your own problem. Specifically if you moved the left side locknut on an early 90's dura ace hub to the driveside, then that very well might be the cause of your slippage. Have that specifically looked at, preferably by a mechanic older than 30. On Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:57:55 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Jeremy et al, I finally got around to changing the wheelset out to a Phil/Bontrager heavy duty wheelsethttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/7193475208/in/photostreamI have. Don't use it very much, so it wasn't the first thing I thought of. Thanks for the suggestions to try that approach! Anyway, Phil w/ the same Mavic skewers led to zero slippage. I rode the same route (although a bit slower due to a headache) as last week. I purposely left the skewer a bit looser than I was using it on the other wheelset (Dura Ace converted to 135 spacing). Not a problem at all! Soo, some combination of the DA wheelset with the bike is leading to wheel slippage. I'm gong to get the dish checked out as suggested, maybe that is it? I noticed the DA clamping surface isn't fully flat. The edges are beveled so there's not as much contact (why?). There's maybe only 50-75% the contact surface that the Phil hubs have. Possibly part of the problem. Buut, I have the same hubs on my other Riv w/ horizontal drop outs (DA skewers) and those never slip. Side note: This problem has been progressive. The DA wheelset is probably three or four years old. No problems with my old wheelset, and problems with the DA one seems to have come on slowly. An occasional need to recenter here or there, but not several times during a ride like it is now. So I'm currently back in love with my bike, but want all my wheels to work. Things are getting curioser and curioser... Thanks again for the info and input on this, I'm really trying to figure it out! On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.comwrote: Is it clear when during your rides that it slips? Just spinning along, cranking out of the saddle, or spinning up a steep climb? I fear it may just be that your combination of horizontal dropouts, QR's, low gears, and steep California climbs that just might be too much for QR's. My success with QR's and horizontals is limited to road bikes with fixed gear drivetrains or compact double derailleur setups, which lack super-low stump-pulling gears. Have you considered converting the hub to a bolt-on (solid) axle? It might be the cheapest and simplest solution here. Just have to carry a 15mm box wrench in your saddle bag. On Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:28:28 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: That's actually my plan for tomorrow. If it holds, then something's wrong w/ the wheel. If it slips, the bike (or possibly the second wheel as well!). I'll report back as I know you all are on the edge of your seats in anticipation! On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:09 PM, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.comwrote: Have you tried a different wheel? On May 12, 8:37 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: That's an option. I've wanted Nano-clearance for a wile now... :-) But aren't Atlantii blue? On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com**wro**te: I think a new Atlantis would solve your dilemma think of the big fat tires you could run .. even Nanos. Vertical drop outs, check, no more problems, check. Plus you could get out of your blue bike rut. Little devil on your shoulder ( mike) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
Both are bevelled? That's just weird or I'm losing it. Can you photograph it for me? And the alligator mouth wants to eat the bigger number, so you are looking for a 30yo mechanic, not a 30yo mechanic. :) On Sunday, May 13, 2012 11:19:57 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: William, thanks! VERY interesting... kind of a cool feature on Shimao's part. They are indeed old DA hubs from the 90's. 7700 series to be exact. I converted them to 135mm http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/2406321019/four years ago. I just checked and *both *locknuts are beveled on the rear, but neither of the front ones are. So, so, so, so... I'm gonna' see if I can find a non-beveled one I may have lying around or swap one out from elsewhere and give that a try! I'll keep looking for the elusive 30 y.o. mechanic. Wish me luck with that one! GREAT advice in this continuing saga! On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:28 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: There is no way whatsoever for dish to have anything to do with this problem. It does no harm to have dish checked if you think it might not be right, but dish never caused a hub to slip in the dropouts. The reason the first generation of 130mm spaced dura ace hubs had a beveled locknut was to aid in wedging your 126mm frameset open to take the thing. That beveled locknut was on the left side, though, and we're talking about dura ace cassette hubs from the early 1990s. If you swapped parts around when you converted this dura ace rear hub to 135mm, then you actually might have solved your own problem. Specifically if you moved the left side locknut on an early 90's dura ace hub to the driveside, then that very well might be the cause of your slippage. Have that specifically looked at, preferably by a mechanic older than 30. On Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:57:55 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Jeremy et al, I finally got around to changing the wheelset out to a Phil/Bontrager heavy duty wheelsethttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/7193475208/in/photostreamI have. Don't use it very much, so it wasn't the first thing I thought of. Thanks for the suggestions to try that approach! Anyway, Phil w/ the same Mavic skewers led to zero slippage. I rode the same route (although a bit slower due to a headache) as last week. I purposely left the skewer a bit looser than I was using it on the other wheelset (Dura Ace converted to 135 spacing). Not a problem at all! Soo, some combination of the DA wheelset with the bike is leading to wheel slippage. I'm gong to get the dish checked out as suggested, maybe that is it? I noticed the DA clamping surface isn't fully flat. The edges are beveled so there's not as much contact (why?). There's maybe only 50-75% the contact surface that the Phil hubs have. Possibly part of the problem. Buut, I have the same hubs on my other Riv w/ horizontal drop outs (DA skewers) and those never slip. Side note: This problem has been progressive. The DA wheelset is probably three or four years old. No problems with my old wheelset, and problems with the DA one seems to have come on slowly. An occasional need to recenter here or there, but not several times during a ride like it is now. So I'm currently back in love with my bike, but want all my wheels to work. Things are getting curioser and curioser... Thanks again for the info and input on this, I'm really trying to figure it out! On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.comwrote: Is it clear when during your rides that it slips? Just spinning along, cranking out of the saddle, or spinning up a steep climb? I fear it may just be that your combination of horizontal dropouts, QR's, low gears, and steep California climbs that just might be too much for QR's. My success with QR's and horizontals is limited to road bikes with fixed gear drivetrains or compact double derailleur setups, which lack super-low stump-pulling gears. Have you considered converting the hub to a bolt-on (solid) axle? It might be the cheapest and simplest solution here. Just have to carry a 15mm box wrench in your saddle bag. On Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:28:28 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: That's actually my plan for tomorrow. If it holds, then something's wrong w/ the wheel. If it slips, the bike (or possibly the second wheel as well!). I'll report back as I know you all are on the edge of your seats in anticipation! On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:09 PM, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote: Have you tried a different wheel? On May 12, 8:37 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: That's an option. I've wanted Nano-clearance for a wile now... :-) But aren't Atlantii blue? On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com**wro**te: I think a new Atlantis would solve your dilemma
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
Your wish is my command: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/ Alligators and Pacman... arrrgh, flashback to the 80's!!! On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:36 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Both are bevelled? That's just weird or I'm losing it. Can you photograph it for me? And the alligator mouth wants to eat the bigger number, so you are looking for a 30yo mechanic, not a 30yo mechanic. :) On Sunday, May 13, 2012 11:19:57 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: William, thanks! VERY interesting... kind of a cool feature on Shimao's part. They are indeed old DA hubs from the 90's. 7700 series to be exact. I converted them to 135mm http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/2406321019/four years ago. I just checked and *both *locknuts are beveled on the rear, but neither of the front ones are. So, so, so, so... I'm gonna' see if I can find a non-beveled one I may have lying around or swap one out from elsewhere and give that a try! I'll keep looking for the elusive 30 y.o. mechanic. Wish me luck with that one! GREAT advice in this continuing saga! On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:28 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: There is no way whatsoever for dish to have anything to do with this problem. It does no harm to have dish checked if you think it might not be right, but dish never caused a hub to slip in the dropouts. The reason the first generation of 130mm spaced dura ace hubs had a beveled locknut was to aid in wedging your 126mm frameset open to take the thing. That beveled locknut was on the left side, though, and we're talking about dura ace cassette hubs from the early 1990s. If you swapped parts around when you converted this dura ace rear hub to 135mm, then you actually might have solved your own problem. Specifically if you moved the left side locknut on an early 90's dura ace hub to the driveside, then that very well might be the cause of your slippage. Have that specifically looked at, preferably by a mechanic older than 30. On Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:57:55 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Jeremy et al, I finally got around to changing the wheelset out to a Phil/Bontrager heavy duty wheelsethttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/7193475208/in/photostreamI have. Don't use it very much, so it wasn't the first thing I thought of. Thanks for the suggestions to try that approach! Anyway, Phil w/ the same Mavic skewers led to zero slippage. I rode the same route (although a bit slower due to a headache) as last week. I purposely left the skewer a bit looser than I was using it on the other wheelset (Dura Ace converted to 135 spacing). Not a problem at all! Soo, some combination of the DA wheelset with the bike is leading to wheel slippage. I'm gong to get the dish checked out as suggested, maybe that is it? I noticed the DA clamping surface isn't fully flat. The edges are beveled so there's not as much contact (why?). There's maybe only 50-75% the contact surface that the Phil hubs have. Possibly part of the problem. Buut, I have the same hubs on my other Riv w/ horizontal drop outs (DA skewers) and those never slip. Side note: This problem has been progressive. The DA wheelset is probably three or four years old. No problems with my old wheelset, and problems with the DA one seems to have come on slowly. An occasional need to recenter here or there, but not several times during a ride like it is now. So I'm currently back in love with my bike, but want all my wheels to work. Things are getting curioser and curioser... Thanks again for the info and input on this, I'm really trying to figure it out! On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.comwrote: Is it clear when during your rides that it slips? Just spinning along, cranking out of the saddle, or spinning up a steep climb? I fear it may just be that your combination of horizontal dropouts, QR's, low gears, and steep California climbs that just might be too much for QR's. My success with QR's and horizontals is limited to road bikes with fixed gear drivetrains or compact double derailleur setups, which lack super-low stump-pulling gears. Have you considered converting the hub to a bolt-on (solid) axle? It might be the cheapest and simplest solution here. Just have to carry a 15mm box wrench in your saddle bag. On Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:28:28 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: That's actually my plan for tomorrow. If it holds, then something's wrong w/ the wheel. If it slips, the bike (or possibly the second wheel as well!). I'll report back as I know you all are on the edge of your seats in anticipation! On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:09 PM, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote: Have you tried a different wheel? On May 12, 8:37 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: That's an option. I've wanted Nano-clearance for a wile now... :-) But aren't Atlantii blue? On Sat,
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
People have used them on Crosschecks with horizontal dropouts. Here's an example: http://forums.mtbr.com/8117216-post182.html Here's a whole discussion of a similar issue on the Salsa Casseroll: http://forums.mtbr.com/salsa/dissapointed-my-casserole-401914.html The Salsa designer recommended a tugnut as a worst case scenario. Eric On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:19 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know what sort of bike Cyclotourist has, but if by horizontal dropouts he means the usual forward-facing road dropouts, these won't work -- they are designed for track ends. I am very puzzled by your (Cyclotourist -- what's your real name?) slipping problem: I've had no problems with even chromed horizontals and decent, internal cam, all-steel QRs. Are you *sure* that the axle is not coyly peeping out beyond the outward-facing dropout surface? I've had this happen, and it only requires a mm or so of excess length to cause the problem. I can't see alignment being a real issue -- squeeze that QR down and it should hold the wheel in place. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote: Worst case, you can always use a chaintug. Something like this: http://surlybikes.com/parts/tuggnut I always end up using these with track ends, although I've never needed them on my Crosscheck Eric Daume Dublin, OH On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:33 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I finally got around to riding today... and no good news to share. I put on the heavy-duty old-skool Mavic QR that I have. All steel so that's not a concern. Shifted exactly the same as the previous two XT skewers. Bummed to say the least. Next step is take it to my LBS for a dropout alignment and wheel dish checks (both suggested here). Wish me luck, and feel free to keep brainstorming this! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
Is it clear when during your rides that it slips? Just spinning along, cranking out of the saddle, or spinning up a steep climb? I fear it may just be that your combination of horizontal dropouts, QR's, low gears, and steep California climbs that just might be too much for QR's. My success with QR's and horizontals is limited to road bikes with fixed gear drivetrains or compact double derailleur setups, which lack super-low stump-pulling gears. Have you considered converting the hub to a bolt-on (solid) axle? It might be the cheapest and simplest solution here. Just have to carry a 15mm box wrench in your saddle bag. On Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:28:28 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: That's actually my plan for tomorrow. If it holds, then something's wrong w/ the wheel. If it slips, the bike (or possibly the second wheel as well!). I'll report back as I know you all are on the edge of your seats in anticipation! On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:09 PM, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.comwrote: Have you tried a different wheel? On May 12, 8:37 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: That's an option. I've wanted Nano-clearance for a wile now... :-) But aren't Atlantii blue? On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I think a new Atlantis would solve your dilemma think of the big fat tires you could run .. even Nanos. Vertical drop outs, check, no more problems, check. Plus you could get out of your blue bike rut. Little devil on your shoulder ( mike) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/2Mq5VoztEvUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/DukmhwU7f6UJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 10:57 -0700, Jeremy Till wrote: Is it clear when during your rides that it slips? Just spinning along, cranking out of the saddle, or spinning up a steep climb? I fear it may just be that your combination of horizontal dropouts, QR's, low gears, and steep California climbs that just might be too much for QR's. My success with QR's and horizontals is limited to road bikes with fixed gear drivetrains or compact double derailleur setups, which lack super-low stump-pulling gears. My Kogswell P/R has a 26x30 granny gear and, of course, horizontal dropouts. The wheel has never slipped under load and I've been on some plenty steep climbs, including in the Black Hills of South Dakota around Mount Rushmore. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
Jeremy et al, I finally got around to changing the wheelset out to a Phil/Bontrager heavy duty wheelsethttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/7193475208/in/photostreamI have. Don't use it very much, so it wasn't the first thing I thought of. Thanks for the suggestions to try that approach! Anyway, Phil w/ the same Mavic skewers led to zero slippage. I rode the same route (although a bit slower due to a headache) as last week. I purposely left the skewer a bit looser than I was using it on the other wheelset (Dura Ace converted to 135 spacing). Not a problem at all! Soo, some combination of the DA wheelset with the bike is leading to wheel slippage. I'm gong to get the dish checked out as suggested, maybe that is it? I noticed the DA clamping surface isn't fully flat. The edges are beveled so there's not as much contact (why?). There's maybe only 50-75% the contact surface that the Phil hubs have. Possibly part of the problem. Buut, I have the same hubs on my other Riv w/ horizontal drop outs (DA skewers) and those never slip. Side note: This problem has been progressive. The DA wheelset is probably three or four years old. No problems with my old wheelset, and problems with the DA one seems to have come on slowly. An occasional need to recenter here or there, but not several times during a ride like it is now. So I'm currently back in love with my bike, but want all my wheels to work. Things are getting curioser and curioser... Thanks again for the info and input on this, I'm really trying to figure it out! On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: Is it clear when during your rides that it slips? Just spinning along, cranking out of the saddle, or spinning up a steep climb? I fear it may just be that your combination of horizontal dropouts, QR's, low gears, and steep California climbs that just might be too much for QR's. My success with QR's and horizontals is limited to road bikes with fixed gear drivetrains or compact double derailleur setups, which lack super-low stump-pulling gears. Have you considered converting the hub to a bolt-on (solid) axle? It might be the cheapest and simplest solution here. Just have to carry a 15mm box wrench in your saddle bag. On Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:28:28 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: That's actually my plan for tomorrow. If it holds, then something's wrong w/ the wheel. If it slips, the bike (or possibly the second wheel as well!). I'll report back as I know you all are on the edge of your seats in anticipation! On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:09 PM, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.comwrote: Have you tried a different wheel? On May 12, 8:37 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: That's an option. I've wanted Nano-clearance for a wile now... :-) But aren't Atlantii blue? On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com **wrote: I think a new Atlantis would solve your dilemma think of the big fat tires you could run .. even Nanos. Vertical drop outs, check, no more problems, check. Plus you could get out of your blue bike rut. Little devil on your shoulder ( mike) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/**msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/**2Mq5VoztEvUJhttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/2Mq5VoztEvUJ . To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.* *com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
There is no way whatsoever for dish to have anything to do with this problem. It does no harm to have dish checked if you think it might not be right, but dish never caused a hub to slip in the dropouts. The reason the first generation of 130mm spaced dura ace hubs had a beveled locknut was to aid in wedging your 126mm frameset open to take the thing. That beveled locknut was on the left side, though, and we're talking about dura ace cassette hubs from the early 1990s. If you swapped parts around when you converted this dura ace rear hub to 135mm, then you actually might have solved your own problem. Specifically if you moved the left side locknut on an early 90's dura ace hub to the driveside, then that very well might be the cause of your slippage. Have that specifically looked at, preferably by a mechanic older than 30. On Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:57:55 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Jeremy et al, I finally got around to changing the wheelset out to a Phil/Bontrager heavy duty wheelsethttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/7193475208/in/photostreamI have. Don't use it very much, so it wasn't the first thing I thought of. Thanks for the suggestions to try that approach! Anyway, Phil w/ the same Mavic skewers led to zero slippage. I rode the same route (although a bit slower due to a headache) as last week. I purposely left the skewer a bit looser than I was using it on the other wheelset (Dura Ace converted to 135 spacing). Not a problem at all! Soo, some combination of the DA wheelset with the bike is leading to wheel slippage. I'm gong to get the dish checked out as suggested, maybe that is it? I noticed the DA clamping surface isn't fully flat. The edges are beveled so there's not as much contact (why?). There's maybe only 50-75% the contact surface that the Phil hubs have. Possibly part of the problem. Buut, I have the same hubs on my other Riv w/ horizontal drop outs (DA skewers) and those never slip. Side note: This problem has been progressive. The DA wheelset is probably three or four years old. No problems with my old wheelset, and problems with the DA one seems to have come on slowly. An occasional need to recenter here or there, but not several times during a ride like it is now. So I'm currently back in love with my bike, but want all my wheels to work. Things are getting curioser and curioser... Thanks again for the info and input on this, I'm really trying to figure it out! On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.comwrote: Is it clear when during your rides that it slips? Just spinning along, cranking out of the saddle, or spinning up a steep climb? I fear it may just be that your combination of horizontal dropouts, QR's, low gears, and steep California climbs that just might be too much for QR's. My success with QR's and horizontals is limited to road bikes with fixed gear drivetrains or compact double derailleur setups, which lack super-low stump-pulling gears. Have you considered converting the hub to a bolt-on (solid) axle? It might be the cheapest and simplest solution here. Just have to carry a 15mm box wrench in your saddle bag. On Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:28:28 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: That's actually my plan for tomorrow. If it holds, then something's wrong w/ the wheel. If it slips, the bike (or possibly the second wheel as well!). I'll report back as I know you all are on the edge of your seats in anticipation! On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:09 PM, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.comwrote: Have you tried a different wheel? On May 12, 8:37 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: That's an option. I've wanted Nano-clearance for a wile now... :-) But aren't Atlantii blue? On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com **wrote: I think a new Atlantis would solve your dilemma think of the big fat tires you could run .. even Nanos. Vertical drop outs, check, no more problems, check. Plus you could get out of your blue bike rut. Little devil on your shoulder ( mike) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/**msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/**2Mq5VoztEvUJhttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/2Mq5VoztEvUJ . To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups. **com rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en . -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
OK, I finally got around to riding today... and no good news to share. I put on the heavy-duty old-skool Mavic QR that I have. All steel so that's not a concern. Shifted exactly the same as the previous two XT skewers. Bummed to say the least. Next step is take it to my LBS for a dropout alignment and wheel dish checks (both suggested here). Wish me luck, and feel free to keep brainstorming this! On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:54 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Enclosed Shimano type. I always thought that too, but someone else mentioned Salsa working great, and the Flip offs are exposed... On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:14 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of QR do you use - exposed cam or enclosed cam? The former cannot be used with horizontal drop outs because it can't get tight enough. Read all about it here: http://sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
Worst case, you can always use a chaintug. Something like this: http://surlybikes.com/parts/tuggnut I always end up using these with track ends, although I've never needed them on my Crosscheck Eric Daume Dublin, OH On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:33 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: OK, I finally got around to riding today... and no good news to share. I put on the heavy-duty old-skool Mavic QR that I have. All steel so that's not a concern. Shifted exactly the same as the previous two XT skewers. Bummed to say the least. Next step is take it to my LBS for a dropout alignment and wheel dish checks (both suggested here). Wish me luck, and feel free to keep brainstorming this! On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:54 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Enclosed Shimano type. I always thought that too, but someone else mentioned Salsa working great, and the Flip offs are exposed... On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:14 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of QR do you use - exposed cam or enclosed cam? The former cannot be used with horizontal drop outs because it can't get tight enough. Read all about it here: http://sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
I don't know what sort of bike Cyclotourist has, but if by horizontal dropouts he means the usual forward-facing road dropouts, these won't work -- they are designed for track ends. I am very puzzled by your (Cyclotourist -- what's your real name?) slipping problem: I've had no problems with even chromed horizontals and decent, internal cam, all-steel QRs. Are you *sure* that the axle is not coyly peeping out beyond the outward-facing dropout surface? I've had this happen, and it only requires a mm or so of excess length to cause the problem. I can't see alignment being a real issue -- squeeze that QR down and it should hold the wheel in place. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote: Worst case, you can always use a chaintug. Something like this: http://surlybikes.com/parts/tuggnut I always end up using these with track ends, although I've never needed them on my Crosscheck Eric Daume Dublin, OH On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:33 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I finally got around to riding today... and no good news to share. I put on the heavy-duty old-skool Mavic QR that I have. All steel so that's not a concern. Shifted exactly the same as the previous two XT skewers. Bummed to say the least. Next step is take it to my LBS for a dropout alignment and wheel dish checks (both suggested here). Wish me luck, and feel free to keep brainstorming this! On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:54 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Enclosed Shimano type. I always thought that too, but someone else mentioned Salsa working great, and the Flip offs are exposed... On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:14 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of QR do you use - exposed cam or enclosed cam? The former cannot be used with horizontal drop outs because it can't get tight enough. Read all about it here: http://sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Rainer Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
It has horizontal, not rear-facing track ends. I don't know if those tugs will work, but maybe. It says in bold that they're for rear-facing drop outs... The name is David, or at least that is what I tell people on the internet. You can see my signature line if you scroll down (included a marvelous quote from Mr. Willard Romney). But surely you know the name of the guy that's been on here and the ibob list with you for the past 10 years and has bought/sold/traded/given away things from/to/with you on several occasions over that decade :-) The axle is definitely about 1-2mm behind the drop out. That's the first thing I check, hoping that was the cause and source for a simple fix. No such luck. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 3:19 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know what sort of bike Cyclotourist has, but if by horizontal dropouts he means the usual forward-facing road dropouts, these won't work -- they are designed for track ends. I am very puzzled by your (Cyclotourist -- what's your real name?) slipping problem: I've had no problems with even chromed horizontals and decent, internal cam, all-steel QRs. Are you *sure* that the axle is not coyly peeping out beyond the outward-facing dropout surface? I've had this happen, and it only requires a mm or so of excess length to cause the problem. I can't see alignment being a real issue -- squeeze that QR down and it should hold the wheel in place. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote: Worst case, you can always use a chaintug. Something like this: http://surlybikes.com/parts/tuggnut I always end up using these with track ends, although I've never needed them on my Crosscheck Eric Daume Dublin, OH On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:33 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I finally got around to riding today... and no good news to share. I put on the heavy-duty old-skool Mavic QR that I have. All steel so that's not a concern. Shifted exactly the same as the previous two XT skewers. Bummed to say the least. Next step is take it to my LBS for a dropout alignment and wheel dish checks (both suggested here). Wish me luck, and feel free to keep brainstorming this! On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:54 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Enclosed Shimano type. I always thought that too, but someone else mentioned Salsa working great, and the Flip offs are exposed... On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:14 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of QR do you use - exposed cam or enclosed cam? The former cannot be used with horizontal drop outs because it can't get tight enough. Read all about it here: http://sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Rainer Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
Hmm. With it still acting up, am going to join the chorus of the dropouts not being aligned. But even then, can't see why it would slip so bad. I was able to ride a Surly Cross Check with the XT quick release without slipping. Both as a multi geared and single speed. Only other thing I could think of - the axle could be slightly bent, preventing the hub end and quick release face from being parallel. So the ends can't clamp tight, although the dropout may be aligned. Really, highly unlikely (like nearly impossible). But it's the only other thing that comes to mind. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:01:51 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: It has horizontal, not rear-facing track ends. I don't know if those tugs will work, but maybe. It says in bold that they're for rear-facing drop outs... The name is David, or at least that is what I tell people on the internet. You can see my signature line if you scroll down (included a marvelous quote from Mr. Willard Romney). But surely you know the name of the guy that's been on here and the ibob list with you for the past 10 years and has bought/sold/traded/given away things from/to/with you on several occasions over that decade :-) The axle is definitely about 1-2mm behind the drop out. That's the first thing I check, hoping that was the cause and source for a simple fix. No such luck. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_Q60COzvJNcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
David!! My brother, Peter, who has a huge amount of experience wrenching on all sorts of bikes old and new, says that in his experience, with slick chrome dropouts, older Campy up through C-Record, or Suntour QRs with pronounced serrations have worked for him every time; and he's far bigger than I at 6'2 and 200 lb+. He opines that slightly mis-aligned dropouts would not prevent a good QR from clamping tightly enough to prevent slippage. Or perhaps you just generate insane amounts of torque? On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:01 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: It has horizontal, not rear-facing track ends. I don't know if those tugs will work, but maybe. It says in bold that they're for rear-facing drop outs... The name is David, or at least that is what I tell people on the internet. You can see my signature line if you scroll down (included a marvelous quote from Mr. Willard Romney). But surely you know the name of the guy that's been on here and the ibob list with you for the past 10 years and has bought/sold/traded/given away things from/to/with you on several occasions over that decade :-) The axle is definitely about 1-2mm behind the drop out. That's the first thing I check, hoping that was the cause and source for a simple fix. No such luck. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 3:19 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know what sort of bike Cyclotourist has, but if by horizontal dropouts he means the usual forward-facing road dropouts, these won't work -- they are designed for track ends. I am very puzzled by your (Cyclotourist -- what's your real name?) slipping problem: I've had no problems with even chromed horizontals and decent, internal cam, all-steel QRs. Are you *sure* that the axle is not coyly peeping out beyond the outward-facing dropout surface? I've had this happen, and it only requires a mm or so of excess length to cause the problem. I can't see alignment being a real issue -- squeeze that QR down and it should hold the wheel in place. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote: Worst case, you can always use a chaintug. Something like this: http://surlybikes.com/parts/tuggnut I always end up using these with track ends, although I've never needed them on my Crosscheck Eric Daume Dublin, OH On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:33 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I finally got around to riding today... and no good news to share. I put on the heavy-duty old-skool Mavic QR that I have. All steel so that's not a concern. Shifted exactly the same as the previous two XT skewers. Bummed to say the least. Next step is take it to my LBS for a dropout alignment and wheel dish checks (both suggested here). Wish me luck, and feel free to keep brainstorming this! On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:54 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Enclosed Shimano type. I always thought that too, but someone else mentioned Salsa working great, and the Flip offs are exposed... On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:14 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of QR do you use - exposed cam or enclosed cam? The former cannot be used with horizontal drop outs because it can't get tight enough. Read all about it here: http://sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore,
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
Hey, that's me! :-) And what you mention is basically what many people have said, so I just can't figure it out. I mean, it really should just dig in and clamp. I'm cranking it down so hard on the QR I can barely undo it with my hands and need to use a screwdriver as a lever. Trust me, it's tight. But then still slips. I'm gonna' drop by my LBS, but I don't have much hope. They probably will tell me I have to buy a new Cervelo or something. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:38 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: David!! My brother, Peter, who has a huge amount of experience wrenching on all sorts of bikes old and new, says that in his experience, with slick chrome dropouts, older Campy up through C-Record, or Suntour QRs with pronounced serrations have worked for him every time; and he's far bigger than I at 6'2 and 200 lb+. He opines that slightly mis-aligned dropouts would not prevent a good QR from clamping tightly enough to prevent slippage. Or perhaps you just generate insane amounts of torque? On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:01 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: It has horizontal, not rear-facing track ends. I don't know if those tugs will work, but maybe. It says in bold that they're for rear-facing drop outs... The name is David, or at least that is what I tell people on the internet. You can see my signature line if you scroll down (included a marvelous quote from Mr. Willard Romney). But surely you know the name of the guy that's been on here and the ibob list with you for the past 10 years and has bought/sold/traded/given away things from/to/with you on several occasions over that decade :-) The axle is definitely about 1-2mm behind the drop out. That's the first thing I check, hoping that was the cause and source for a simple fix. No such luck. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 3:19 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know what sort of bike Cyclotourist has, but if by horizontal dropouts he means the usual forward-facing road dropouts, these won't work -- they are designed for track ends. I am very puzzled by your (Cyclotourist -- what's your real name?) slipping problem: I've had no problems with even chromed horizontals and decent, internal cam, all-steel QRs. Are you *sure* that the axle is not coyly peeping out beyond the outward-facing dropout surface? I've had this happen, and it only requires a mm or so of excess length to cause the problem. I can't see alignment being a real issue -- squeeze that QR down and it should hold the wheel in place. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote: Worst case, you can always use a chaintug. Something like this: http://surlybikes.com/parts/tuggnut I always end up using these with track ends, although I've never needed them on my Crosscheck Eric Daume Dublin, OH On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:33 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I finally got around to riding today... and no good news to share. I put on the heavy-duty old-skool Mavic QR that I have. All steel so that's not a concern. Shifted exactly the same as the previous two XT skewers. Bummed to say the least. Next step is take it to my LBS for a dropout alignment and wheel dish checks (both suggested here). Wish me luck, and feel free to keep brainstorming this! On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:54 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Enclosed Shimano type. I always thought that too, but someone else mentioned Salsa working great, and the Flip offs are exposed... On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:14 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of QR do you use - exposed cam or enclosed cam? The former cannot be used with horizontal drop outs because it can't get tight enough. Read all about it here: http://sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
I think a new Atlantis would solve your dilemma think of the big fat tires you could run .. even Nanos. Vertical drop outs, check, no more problems, check. Plus you could get out of your blue bike rut. Little devil on your shoulder ( mike) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/2Mq5VoztEvUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
That's an option. I've wanted Nano-clearance for a wile now... :-) But aren't Atlantii blue? On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote: I think a new Atlantis would solve your dilemma think of the big fat tires you could run .. even Nanos. Vertical drop outs, check, no more problems, check. Plus you could get out of your blue bike rut. Little devil on your shoulder ( mike) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/2Mq5VoztEvUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
That's actually my plan for tomorrow. If it holds, then something's wrong w/ the wheel. If it slips, the bike (or possibly the second wheel as well!). I'll report back as I know you all are on the edge of your seats in anticipation! On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:09 PM, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.comwrote: Have you tried a different wheel? On May 12, 8:37 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: That's an option. I've wanted Nano-clearance for a wile now... :-) But aren't Atlantii blue? On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I think a new Atlantis would solve your dilemma think of the big fat tires you could run .. even Nanos. Vertical drop outs, check, no more problems, check. Plus you could get out of your blue bike rut. Little devil on your shoulder ( mike) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/2Mq5VoztEvUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
I bet the steel QR solves the problem... aluminum QR nuts are suspect for slippage.In addition to going to steel, maybe take it in to a shop and have them align the dropouts or borrow a Park FFG-2 alignment tool- if they are skewed a bit it certainly isn't helping the situation.Anyway I hope you figure it out. Matt On Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:18:53 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, definitely Al. I put on the new end (still Al) and same problemhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/7150628661/in/photostream/. Went back and dug out the Mavic all-steel QRshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/7150710351/in/photostreamI used to have on there and have replaced them, but not put any miles on it yet. I took those off a while ago as I never liked the cam action on them compared to Shimano. They never seemed to lock down like Shimanos do, so thought I was moving in the right direction. Perhaps not. I'm not sure my troubles started with the change as it was several years ago, but I don't remember a problem w/ the old Mavics. Thanks again for the input on this! I hope to soon report back with positive news for everyone! On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 4:17 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I am pretty sure it's the aluminum contact surfaces -- modern skewers are meant, it seems, for vertical dropouts only. I remember tightening an allen slow release on one of my fixies until the (steel) skewer snapped -- couldn't get the aluminum ends to grip tightly enough. Come to think of it, I've got a 5-6 lb bag of old, old-school, all-steel skewers and if you (the original complainant) want one, just LMK. I think I've got a 130 or so and possibly even a 135 or two. None are very pretty (except the NOS Zeus front which ain't leaving). Note: will trade skewer/s for single old Campy Record dustcap or pair/sof nice, shiny metal ones. (I have one Campy already -- thanks, Eric.) On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: My wife's fuji tour bike had this problem. Went from aluminum to steel skews, knurled. This fixed the problem for us. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/wEXh0OLfkZAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Rainer Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/el40o5KOcqYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
Same problem here. Steel QR solved it. Toshi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
Enclosed Shimano type. I always thought that too, but someone else mentioned Salsa working great, and the Flip offs are exposed... On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:14 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of QR do you use - exposed cam or enclosed cam? The former cannot be used with horizontal drop outs because it can't get tight enough. Read all about it here: http://sheldonbrown.com/skewers.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
From the photo I saw on Amazon, the current XT QRs are internal cam, so that eliminates one possible cause. You might also look to see if the hub axle is a bit too long, preventing the QR from clamping down fully on the dropout plate -- tho' if you are distorting the bearings this isn't your problem. I would guess that the contact surfaces or at least one of them on these current XT QRs is aluminum (saves weight, you go much faster) and does not grip as it needs to. Last option: get another, old-fashion QR like the early '90s Shimanos -- all steel. I've used old ones on fixed gears for years with no slippage. On Saturday, May 5, 2012 10:00:45 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I have horizontal drop outs, and my rear wheel consistently slips forward on the drive side. I'm sure it's because of the massive wattage I'm putting out. Any way to keep it from moving? It's getting pretty frustrating. I've cranked down on the Shimano XT QR so tight that I just about need a lever to open it up. I'm even messing up the bearing a little from it being so tight. To no avail. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/SHOJtE1-p58J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Rainer Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
Patrick makes some good suggestions. It sounds like something is preventing the drive side from closing enough to grip the dropout. As Patrick suggested, make sure the axle isn't extending beyond the dropout, which would make it impossible to clamp all the way. This can be fixed by loosening all the cups and recentering, or by adding a thin washer on the drive side. You might also try taking the spiral spring out of the drive side. It could be interfering with the clamping. It's not needed except to make it a bit easier to put the wheel back in. Finally, make sure both dropouts are the same thickness. If the non-drive-side dropout is thicker, it could be keeping the drive side from clamping down enough. A washer on the drive side would fix that. --Eric N On May 6, 2012, at 7:59 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: From the photo I saw on Amazon, the current XT QRs are internal cam, so that eliminates one possible cause. You might also look to see if the hub axle is a bit too long, preventing the QR from clamping down fully on the dropout plate -- tho' if you are distorting the bearings this isn't your problem. I would guess that the contact surfaces or at least one of them on these current XT QRs is aluminum (saves weight, you go much faster) and does not grip as it needs to. Last option: get another, old-fashion QR like the early '90s Shimanos -- all steel. I've used old ones on fixed gears for years with no slippage. On Saturday, May 5, 2012 10:00:45 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I have horizontal drop outs, and my rear wheel consistently slips forward on the drive side. I'm sure it's because of the massive wattage I'm putting out. Any way to keep it from moving? It's getting pretty frustrating. I've cranked down on the Shimano XT QR so tight that I just about need a lever to open it up. I'm even messing up the bearing a little from it being so tight. To no avail. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/SHOJtE1-p58J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Rainer Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
THANKS for brainstorming this with me. It's frustrating to the point where I'm considering a new bike, so would much rather get it fixed!!! Here's what I found/did: - Dropouts appear to be same width ( ~7.2mm) and straight eyeball guesstimate. This could be re-visited - Surface of dropouts is rough and should offer plenty of friction. - Axle does not stick out too farhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/7002722508/in/photostream. That was an excellent recommendation! - XT QRs are quality cam, but do have aluminum faces. I checked it out and the knurled surface is pretty squishedhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/7148797737/in/photostream/. Possibly on account of my over-tightening it. I swapped it out for a better one. - In the process, I ditched the curly spring. That maaay be the culprit. It wouldn't seat all the way in the QR end like it should and a few windings stuck out past the edge. I couldn't push them down with finger strength. Fingers crossed. - Rim was re-dished when I converted the wheel from 130 to 135mm spacing. I'm sure it's ok, but if the end-cap change doesn't work, I'll revisit. - Gearing... it's very low. 22X32 But it also shifts in the dropouts if I'm in the middle ring/low 34X32. Again, probably the off the chart wattage I'm putting out. I have another set of QR skewers I can try if need by. Same XT model w/ aluminum faces. I have an older Mavic set I could swap out for if that isn't doing it. As I mentioned, it's pretty frustrating. I hope it's something I'm doing wrong, or a problem with the wheel. If it's the problem w/ the horizontal dropouts, I don't want to go to the time/expense/hassle of getting them replaced with verticals. Nor do I particularly want to get a new bike, although yes Mike, an Atlantis would be what I swapped it out for :-) Thanks to all for the thoughtful recommendations! Ride report to follow. On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: See if the wheel is properly dished. I had a wheel that would always slip in the right dropout, because I was cocking it in the dropouts to center it between the chainstays. After I centered it with a spoke wrench, it stopped doing that. It's unlikely that's the problem, but it was for me. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Saturday, May 5, 2012 10:00:45 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I have horizontal drop outs, and my rear wheel consistently slips forward on the drive side. I'm sure it's because of the massive wattage I'm putting out. Any way to keep it from moving? It's getting pretty frustrating. I've cranked down on the Shimano XT QR so tight that I just about need a lever to open it up. I'm even messing up the bearing a little from it being so tight. To no avail. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
My wife's fuji tour bike had this problem. Went from aluminum to steel skews, knurled. This fixed the problem for us. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/wEXh0OLfkZAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
I am pretty sure it's the aluminum contact surfaces -- modern skewers are meant, it seems, for vertical dropouts only. I remember tightening an allen slow release on one of my fixies until the (steel) skewer snapped -- couldn't get the aluminum ends to grip tightly enough. Come to think of it, I've got a 5-6 lb bag of old, old-school, all-steel skewers and if you (the original complainant) want one, just LMK. I think I've got a 130 or so and possibly even a 135 or two. None are very pretty (except the NOS Zeus front which ain't leaving). Note: will trade skewer/s for single old Campy Record dustcap or pair/sof nice, shiny metal ones. (I have one Campy already -- thanks, Eric.) On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: My wife's fuji tour bike had this problem. Went from aluminum to steel skews, knurled. This fixed the problem for us. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/wEXh0OLfkZAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Rainer Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help
Yes, definitely Al. I put on the new end (still Al) and same problemhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/7150628661/in/photostream/. Went back and dug out the Mavic all-steel QRshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/7150710351/in/photostreamI used to have on there and have replaced them, but not put any miles on it yet. I took those off a while ago as I never liked the cam action on them compared to Shimano. They never seemed to lock down like Shimanos do, so thought I was moving in the right direction. Perhaps not. I'm not sure my troubles started with the change as it was several years ago, but I don't remember a problem w/ the old Mavics. Thanks again for the input on this! I hope to soon report back with positive news for everyone! On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 4:17 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I am pretty sure it's the aluminum contact surfaces -- modern skewers are meant, it seems, for vertical dropouts only. I remember tightening an allen slow release on one of my fixies until the (steel) skewer snapped -- couldn't get the aluminum ends to grip tightly enough. Come to think of it, I've got a 5-6 lb bag of old, old-school, all-steel skewers and if you (the original complainant) want one, just LMK. I think I've got a 130 or so and possibly even a 135 or two. None are very pretty (except the NOS Zeus front which ain't leaving). Note: will trade skewer/s for single old Campy Record dustcap or pair/sof nice, shiny metal ones. (I have one Campy already -- thanks, Eric.) On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: My wife's fuji tour bike had this problem. Went from aluminum to steel skews, knurled. This fixed the problem for us. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/wEXh0OLfkZAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. Rainer Maria Rilke, Buddha in Glory -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** “I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that’s the America millions of Americans believe in. That’s the America I love.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
