Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Patrick,

Permission granted.  I will be keeping the gadgets turned off and only
tracking time for a while.  That's a new one for me.  I'm usually data
hungry.  But, at least until I can build up some endurance again, I'm going
to keep it simple and just try for a nice smooth motion, so as slow as I
must for that.  :)

Thanks.

Tim

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Fantastic, Tim! Homer looks delighted to be with you helping you one
> stroke at a time. Give yourself permission to go "as fast as I can, as slow
> as I must." Grin. Of course the trick for all of us is that we tend to
> ignore half of that equation, which half depends on if we're "A" or "B"
> personality.  Sardonic grin. Go git 'um!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Thanks, René.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:47 AM, René Sterental 
wrote:

> Hope you get better quickly!
>
> René
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[René Sterental]

Hope you get better quickly!

René

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I am using 10 speed with an XD600 non-indexed which claims to be 8 speed,
> and never had the chain fall between the sprockets except when sitting
> still in the garage one time.  Never when riding.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Steve Palincsar 
> wrote:
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>>
>> On 08/26/2016 12:52 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>
>>> * 9-speed chain will NOT fall between chain rings of the Sugino crank
>>> -  lowers the danger factor, always a good thing
>>>
>>>
>> Has anybody here actually tried running a 10 speed chain on a Sugino XD-2
>> crank?   I suspect this fear is greatly exaggerated.  Even with 11 speed
>> chains, "falling between" is probably an overstatement, although "works but
>> not perfectly" might be the case.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Jim Bronson]

I am using 10 speed with an XD600 non-indexed which claims to be 8 speed,
and never had the chain fall between the sprockets except when sitting
still in the garage one time.  Never when riding.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 08/26/2016 12:52 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
>> * 9-speed chain will NOT fall between chain rings of the Sugino crank  -
>> lowers the danger factor, always a good thing
>>
>>
> Has anybody here actually tried running a 10 speed chain on a Sugino XD-2
> crank?   I suspect this fear is greatly exaggerated.  Even with 11 speed
> chains, "falling between" is probably an overstatement, although "works but
> not perfectly" might be the case.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

>From the other thread, but about my AHH.

On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 6:44 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> How are you liking your Homer? Did you take care of the rattling? Have you
> done more rides?


Homer is nice, though I have not yet ridden again.  I centered the fender,
which should stop the rattle.  But, after reading the other thread about
the C17/C19, I realized I received the wrong saddle.  I ordered the C17
Carved, but received the C17 regular.  I've emailed Vince about it, but am
reluctant to put more wear on this saddle until I know what they want to
do.  So, my Homer is holding for now until I hear back from them.

Thanks.

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Thanks, Edwin.

The IQ-X headlight I installed had spades for attaching a tail light.  I
just wrapped those with electrical tape for now.  I could add a dyno tail
light in addition to the Varia.  If you want to read more about the Varia
rearview radar tail light, here is a review:
http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2015/07/garmins-varia-radar-lights.html

Tim

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Edwin W  wrote:

> That thing looks awesome.
> For the fenders: I like the daruma bolt from the bottom of the head tube
> setup best.
> I had never heard of the Varia light and am interested to read more, but
> if you have a dynamo Hub, I would say take advantage and have a rear light
> running off of that, too.
> Have fun,
>
> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> Also, if your front fender, fore of the fork crown is not attached to your
> rack, then it might be rattling against your brake caliper arms.


I think that was it.  The fender is mounted aft the crown, but was touching
the right caliper pivot point.  I adjusted it to center between the brake
pivot points.  I may get to test that tomorrow to see if it worked.  I
guess the fender nut would have helped with making that change.

Thanks.

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Edwin W]

That thing looks awesome. 
For the fenders: I like the daruma bolt from the bottom of the head tube setup 
best. 
I had never heard of the Varia light and am interested to read more, but if you 
have a dynamo Hub, I would say take advantage and have a rear light running off 
of that, too. 
Have fun,

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Lungimsam]

If sumthins rattling, then sumpthins loose. Snug up all fender hardware.
Also, if your front fender, fore of the fork crown is not attached to your 
rack, then it might be rattling against your brake caliper arms.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Here is a brief test ride report:  It was an out and back totaling only two
miles, mostly paved MUP with a bit of bumpy grass and starting and ending
on gravel.  Overall, it rode really well, though I will need a bit of time
with it before I'm comfortable trying hands off riding.  I only used the
center 36t chain ring.  The front bar end shifter being friction caused a
bit of chain rub noise until I realized what it was and adjusted it.  The
rear shifter worked fine with the index.  I think I will get used to them
without much trouble.  The biggest annoyance was the little bit of fender
rattle mentioned before.  I'm not sure if a Sheldon Fender Nut and a few
leather washers will help with that or not.

The Spurcycle bell and Wahoo Blue SC are mounted.  I don't have the Quad
Lock iPhone mount yet, but it still worked from my pocket.  My large
Sackville was not in the bike box and is being shipped separately.  It is
supposed to arrive next Wednesday.  The Wald basket and net were in the
box, but I haven't mounted them yet or packed my tools in the tool wrap.

Still to be ordered are the electronics, Garmin Edge 820, Varia Rearview
Radar Taillight, and a Quad Lock phone mount.  Once the tail light arrives,
I can try a ride in the dark to adjust the head light.  It seemed to work
well, but it wasn't quite dark enough to aim it.

Tim


On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Tim Butterfield 
wrote:

> Here is the set of pics I have so far.
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskFYpr4N
>
> Tim
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> I strongly recommend Sheldon Fender Nuts for the fender mounting.
>

I took a look at this item: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/fe82.htm

I'm not sure if I need these.  I already mounted the fenders behind the
crown without it.  I never did remove the fenders from the AWOL and am not
likely to from the AHH either.  I do need to dampen the little bit of
rattle there is, but don't know if this would help with that.  Maybe a set
of leather washers would help, though.

Thanks.

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Here is the set of pics I have so far.
https://flic.kr/s/aHskFYpr4N

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I have a Roadeo with bar end shifters and Sugino Alpina2 crank and have no
problems whatsoever with the 10-spd drivetrain (Ultegra 10-spd RD), but my
other bikes have XD2/9-speed drivetrains and all bar end shifters.  I love
my bar end shifters!  I never suspected that friction would be so easy. The
XD2 is not advertised for 10-spd, whereas the more expensive Alpina is
advertised for 10-speed for whatever that is worth.

Toshi


On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 08/26/2016 12:52 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
>> * 9-speed chain will NOT fall between chain rings of the Sugino crank  -
>> lowers the danger factor, always a good thing
>>
>>
> Has anybody here actually tried running a 10 speed chain on a Sugino XD-2
> crank?   I suspect this fear is greatly exaggerated.  Even with 11 speed
> chains, "falling between" is probably an overstatement, although "works but
> not perfectly" might be the case.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> One consideration with bar-end shifters:  they'll encourage you to ride in
> the drops more.  So, I recommend running the bars high enough for you to
> ride in the drops comfortably.
>

I'm planning to start with the top of the Nitto Noodle just above saddle
height with the drops just below.  I can always adjust as needed.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> You'd definitely better try down tube shifters before you wholeheartedly
> commit to them
>
 ...

> Bar end shifters, on the other hand, are perfect for me; I love them.
>

The bike I had as a teen (early 1980s) had down tube shifters.  I had
bought a used bike with old cranky bar ends and immediately switched them
to down tube shifts.  But, I only had that bike a few months before I had a
 VO Rando built with Shimano 105.

I have no need to try down tube shifters before committing on the AHH as I
have already committed to bar end shifters.  The ends on the Nitto Noodle
don't come back far enough to worry about hitting my knees on them.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Joe Bernard]

Steve: This is definitely the issue for me. High bars and short arms make dt 
shifters just about useless. And the only time I have "hit the knee" problems 
with bar-ends is on pullback bars like Albas..they're fine on drops. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Gavin]

I agree, I greatly prefer bar-ends to downtube shifters.  None of the bikes
I rode as a youth (went from a SS banana-seat bike to a cheap MTB) had
downtubers, so I never acquired the knack.  I have bar-ends on two of my
bikes, and I find them easy to find and easy to use.

One consideration with bar-end shifters:  they'll encourage you to ride in
the drops more.  So, I recommend running the bars high enough for you to
ride in the drops comfortably.
Many modern drop-bar bikes have a low stack that requires a riser stem or
even a steerer extender to get the bars that high.
Thankfully, Rivendells are designed with a taller stack and quill stems
that make raising the bars a breeze.
On my bar-end shifted bikes, I have the bar tops about level with the
saddle height.  That way, the riding in the drops is a forward, aero,
aggressive position, but not so aggressive that it's uncomfortable.

Riv Road Standard (650b): 3 x 10 (10s bar-end to 9s M772 RD)
http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Gavin/media/Rivendell/IMG_07731_zpsst3nvqm4.jpg.html

Schwinn KOM: 3 x 9 (9s bar-end to 9s M662 RD)
http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t458/Tim_Gavin/KOM/IMG_07721_zpsc3rmyk9k.jpg



On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> You'd definitely better try down tube shifters before you wholeheartedly
> commit to them.  Aesthetics are one thing, but actually using them while
> riding is something else again.  I love the way they look, but I have
> always disliked actually using downtube shifters.  I know this puzzles
> those who love them, but the way we sit on the bike isn't the same: their
> hands fall on the levers when they drop their arms, but I have to reach
> down what feels like almost six inches  to get hold of the downtube lever -
> almost as bad as bending down to grab hold of a water bottle.  I think it's
> a combination of short arms and a high handlebar for me vs longer arms and
> lower bars for them.
>
> Bar end shifters, on the other hand, are perfect for me; I love them.  I
> won't give them up for anything.  Others tell me they can't find them (like
> how could you not find the ends of the handlebars?) or they keep hitting
> their knees on them; I can't understand that at all, but I believe that's
> how it is for them.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Steve Palincsar]

On 08/26/2016 12:04 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
I know there are older 3x10 combinations that could be made to work 
just fine.  However, those same components may be much harder for RBW 
to source as brand new from their vendors.  I might be able to locate 
new components that could work and have them drop-shipped, however, I 
don't have the knowledge or experience to know before I order whether 
or not they would work.  If a component I ordered did not work, I 
would have wasted my money and their time on the attempt.  I don't 
want that.  If I had a close mechanic friend I could work with to 
select individual components from disparate vendors and then assemble 
the collection once all of the pieces arrived, I might try that.  But, 
I don't.  Everyone here is great, but I don't expect the list to 
fulfill that role.  I need a more expedient solution suitable for RBW 
to assemble in a timely manner.  So, from that viewpoint, it is much 
safer for me to let them pick parts which are guaranteed to work well 
together.


As for that result being 3x9 with bar end shifters instead of 3x10 
with down tube shifters, that latter shifter selection was just a 
guess at preference, mostly based on aesthetics.  The only shifters I 
have used recently are SRAM Rival and, before that, Shimano 105.  Both 
down tube shifters and bar ends are a change and I have no recent 
experience with either to have formed a solid preference.  It's almost 
like flipping a coin as to which I might prefer.  I don't really mind 
them making the call on this.  At least, that's what I tell myself.  :)




You'd definitely better try down tube shifters before you wholeheartedly 
commit to them.  Aesthetics are one thing, but actually using them while 
riding is something else again.  I love the way they look, but I have 
always disliked actually using downtube shifters.  I know this puzzles 
those who love them, but the way we sit on the bike isn't the same: 
their hands fall on the levers when they drop their arms, but I have to 
reach down what feels like almost six inches  to get hold of the 
downtube lever - almost as bad as bending down to grab hold of a water 
bottle.  I think it's a combination of short arms and a high handlebar 
for me vs longer arms and lower bars for them.


Bar end shifters, on the other hand, are perfect for me; I love them.  I 
won't give them up for anything.  Others tell me they can't find them 
(like how could you not find the ends of the handlebars?) or they keep 
hitting their knees on them; I can't understand that at all, but I 
believe that's how it is for them.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Steve Palincsar]

On 08/26/2016 12:52 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
* 9-speed chain will NOT fall between chain rings of the Sugino crank 
 -  lowers the danger factor, always a good thing




Has anybody here actually tried running a 10 speed chain on a Sugino 
XD-2 crank?   I suspect this fear is greatly exaggerated.  Even with 11 
speed chains, "falling between" is probably an overstatement, although 
"works but not perfectly" might be the case.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Tim,

I love to be educated.  So, thanks for that.  Brian's description of why
9-speed was one of the longer paragraphs in his email to me.  Here are some
of the high points:

* very, very low gear with the 24t chainring and 36t cassette  -  I might
need that if I ever try to climb Mt. Baker some day.  Some even closer
hills I have not yet tried may need this, too.  It's good for me to have.
* only 1 tooth difference at the top end, 12t vs 11t -  I'm not likely to
ever need this.
* snappy, positive shifting with from Dura Ace bar end shifter/XT rear
derailleur combo
* 9-speed chain will NOT fall between chain rings of the Sugino crank  -
 lowers the danger factor, always a good thing

It was sufficient to convince me of the validity of the approach.

Thanks.

Tim



On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> I understand your reluctance to use an "off-label" setup if you're not
> 100% comfortable/knowledgable.
>
> But 3 x 10 bar-end shifters and downtube shifters are still in production,
> as are 9-speed MTB rear derailleurs (the M772 I mention is sold by Riv
> ).  It's really just as
> simple as using the 9-speed MTB RD with the remainder of your desired
> 10-speed parts (chain, cassette, shifters).
>
> But 3 x 9 is a great setup as well.  Just trying to help you make a
> fully-informed decision.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Tim Butterfield <
> timbutterfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know there are older 3x10 combinations that could be made to work just
>> fine.  However, those same components may be much harder for RBW to source
>> as brand new from their vendors.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Joe Bernard]

I think you'll be happy with bar-ends. It's a very natural "drop down and flick 
it" motion on drop bars that makes sense to my brain.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Gavin]

I understand your reluctance to use an "off-label" setup if you're not 100%
comfortable/knowledgable.

But 3 x 10 bar-end shifters and downtube shifters are still in production,
as are 9-speed MTB rear derailleurs (the M772 I mention is sold by Riv
).  It's really just as simple
as using the 9-speed MTB RD with the remainder of your desired 10-speed
parts (chain, cassette, shifters).

But 3 x 9 is a great setup as well.  Just trying to help you make a
fully-informed decision.

Cheers,
Tim

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Tim Butterfield 
wrote:

> I know there are older 3x10 combinations that could be made to work just
> fine.  However, those same components may be much harder for RBW to source
> as brand new from their vendors.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Tim Butterfield 
wrote:

> I don't really mind them making the call on this.  At least, that's what I
> tell myself.  :)
>

Maybe I should explain further.  :)  Some may remember way back near the
start of the process, I made this comment:

"Your comments on Rivendell and Grant along with some prior comments
(another Patrick?) have my brain teasing with the idea of letting Grant pick
components and build it just to see what he comes up with."

Letting them pick the 3x9 with bar ends is in that same mind set of letting
Grant pick components.  I really have no objection to that.  I know the
result will be very functional and fun to ride.  My part will be adjusting
to that.

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

I know there are older 3x10 combinations that could be made to work just
fine.  However, those same components may be much harder for RBW to source
as brand new from their vendors.  I might be able to locate new components
that could work and have them drop-shipped, however, I don't have the
knowledge or experience to know before I order whether or not they would
work.  If a component I ordered did not work, I would have wasted my money
and their time on the attempt.  I don't want that.  If I had a close
mechanic friend I could work with to select individual components from
disparate vendors and then assemble the collection once all of the pieces
arrived, I might try that.  But, I don't.  Everyone here is great, but I
don't expect the list to fulfill that role.  I need a more expedient
solution suitable for RBW to assemble in a timely manner.  So, from that
viewpoint, it is much safer for me to let them pick parts which are
guaranteed to work well together.

As for that result being 3x9 with bar end shifters instead of 3x10 with
down tube shifters, that latter shifter selection was just a guess at
preference, mostly based on aesthetics.  The only shifters I have used
recently are SRAM Rival and, before that, Shimano 105.  Both down tube
shifters and bar ends are a change and I have no recent experience with
either to have formed a solid preference.  It's almost like flipping a coin
as to which I might prefer.  I don't really mind them making the call on
this.  At least, that's what I tell myself.  :)

Thanks.

Tim


On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:54 AM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Bill M.  wrote:
>
>> Just a side note - one thing I like about SRAM is that their road and
>> mountain parts play nicely with each other.
>>
>> Bill
>> Stockton, CA
>>
>
> Bill-
>
> That was true for 10-speed SRAM; both their road and MTB derailleurs used
> their "Exact Actuation" cable pull ratio so you could mix and match.
>
> Unfortunately, SRAM's 11-speed (and now 12-speed) MTB systems use a new
> "X-Actuation" ratio that makes them incompatible with their 11-speed Road
> systems (which still use the Exact Actuation ratio).
>
>
> Tim-
>
> As others have pointed out, 3 x 10 indexed Shimano is completely
> possible.  You can use the 7900 downtube shifters with a 9-speed MTB
> long-cage RD; these parts all use Shimano's "SIS" ratio so they're
> compatible.
>
> On my Riv Road Std, I use the 7900 bar-ends with a 9-speeed XT M772 RD,
> and they index a 10-speed 11-32 cassette perfectly while taking up enough
> chain for my 52/42/30 Campy triple crank.
>
> Don't get talked into 3 x 9 bar-ends (which are great if you like them) if
> you really want 10-speed downtube shifters.  FYI, if you want to have both
> friction and index possibilities, find a set of 7800 shifters.  The 7900
> shifters are index-only for the rear.
>
> Best of luck,
> Tim
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Gavin]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Bill M.  wrote:

> Just a side note - one thing I like about SRAM is that their road and
> mountain parts play nicely with each other.
>
> Bill
> Stockton, CA
>

Bill-

That was true for 10-speed SRAM; both their road and MTB derailleurs used
their "Exact Actuation" cable pull ratio so you could mix and match.

Unfortunately, SRAM's 11-speed (and now 12-speed) MTB systems use a new
"X-Actuation" ratio that makes them incompatible with their 11-speed Road
systems (which still use the Exact Actuation ratio).


Tim-

As others have pointed out, 3 x 10 indexed Shimano is completely possible.
You can use the 7900 downtube shifters with a 9-speed MTB long-cage RD;
these parts all use Shimano's "SIS" ratio so they're compatible.

On my Riv Road Std, I use the 7900 bar-ends with a 9-speeed XT M772 RD, and
they index a 10-speed 11-32 cassette perfectly while taking up enough chain
for my 52/42/30 Campy triple crank.

Don't get talked into 3 x 9 bar-ends (which are great if you like them) if
you really want 10-speed downtube shifters.  FYI, if you want to have both
friction and index possibilities, find a set of 7800 shifters.  The 7900
shifters are index-only for the rear.

Best of luck,
Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Larry,
Thanks for the thoughts and recommendations.  It was just a contemplation
280 messages ago when I first posted.  Now, the AHH frame has been ordered
and it's becoming a reality.

The VO Rando was sold several years ago when I first moved into an RV
full-time and I wasn't sure I wanted another bike just yet.  As for
modifying the AWOL, I'm reluctant to invest more in it when it's already up
for sale to help finance the Homer.  I only have room for my one bike with
the RV I live in.  The AWOL does have wide tires, 41s, Brooks C17 Cambium
saddle, Ortlieb bar bag, fenders, etc.  It is set up fairly nice for my
use.  But, I decided it was finally time for me to play with the Riv ride
and realize my dream, ergo this thread.

And, I'm working on the engine also.  I'm already doing LCHF to try and
drop some weight.  I think I'll take a queue from René and do more
Maffetone style HR monitoring during my rides.  I'm quite familiar with
this Dr. Phil as I first heard of his method back in 2009 and was a
proponent for a while on a running list.  I think it might work a little
better for me with riding than it did with running.

Thanks.

Tim



On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 8:26 PM, LF  wrote:

> Tim,
> So, you're contemplating a new bike.  My $0.02 is to get a bike for the
> kind of riding you do now, If you can get one that lends it self to what
> you imagine your future riding will be like, so much the better. The
> liveliness and sportiness of a ride comes mostly from the engine, then
> probably next from the tires.The comfort of a bike comes from the tires
> again, also the touch points -- saddle and handlebars. Both the VO Rando
> and the Specialized AWOL comp could be set up to accommodate a variety of
> preferences.
>
> I suggest setting up the AWOL in a way best suited for your riding style.
> After you figure what's best for you, you'll know which Riv suits you
> best.  If you are looking for Rivish, a good place to start is with wide
> tires, fenders if it gets wet, a leather Brooks saddle, and Rivish
> handlebars.
>
> I have a Rivendell Road. Road it for many years with B17 saddle, noodle
> bars, friction bar end shifters, Avocet Road 28mm tires. Much to my
> surprise (from the vantage point of 10 years ago) I now ride a $125 craigs
> list Japanese steel bike with 38mm Compass Barlow Pass Tires (cost more
> than the bike), fenders, Brooks B17 Imperial, and upright (VO Montmartre)
> handlebars. I'm influenced by Jan Hein's tire research.The riding position
> with drop handlebars is no longer comfortable enough for me -- although
> Nitto noodle bars are the most comfortable drop bars ever. I like the folks
> at Rivendell, appreciate their contributions to bike culture, and am
> feinding for a Sam Hilborne (especially orange) with Albatross bars.
>
> I suggest making your current ride work as best it can for you. Read, post
> questions, experiment. Then buy your next bike. If you ride a lot, diet,
> and loose 40 pounds, you may want the Roedeo. If you are anything like most
> of us, I bet you will choose the HH. In any case, get a good lock. I'm
> curious about the new titanium ones  .
> Best,
> Larry
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> 241 posts?!?!?!? I think this is a history making thread on this forum.
> Never seen one longer.
>

The support and responses from the group have been absolutely incredible.
I have learned a great deal and should end up with a Homer very well suited
to me.  Thanks again everyone.

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Ryan Fleming]

I know I sound like a copy-cat but that's what I'm going with :) 

I'll tell you guys why:

My favourite season is autumn when the leaves turn

I have a metallic green A/R from 1997 , a harvest gold 2001 Riv road  an 
orange 1993 X0-1 and now I'm adding a maroon Riv mixte in keeping with a 
fall palette. Sounds daft, I know , but there you are.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 10:51:17 PM UTC-5, James Chang wrote:
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> The custom is a wine/maroon color.  Looks horrible on paper but wonderful 
> on a bike.  Joe Bell knows his stuff.
>
> James Chang
> Taipei, Taiwan
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
>> Hi James
>>
>> That is a real beauty! What colour? 
>>
>> Ryan...trying to nail the colour for her custom mixte :)
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 10:10:30 AM UTC-5, James Chang wrote:
>>>
>>> The homer is just a great all around bike.  Can be fast and can be 
>>> plenty stout for general riding.  I've got a custom AHH (with center-pull 
>>> bosses and JB paint) and just love it.  Can't imagine ever selling it.  
>>> Sure I lust after something with lighter tubing and maybe even low trail 
>>> but whenever I hop on my Riv all that noise goes away.
>>>
>>> Here is my a couple of shots of my Riv.  The photo with the saddle bag 
>>> is taken two weeks ago after finishing a 200K ACP ride.
>>>
>>> James CHANG
>>> Taipei, Taiwan
>>> [image: image2.JPG][image: image3.JPG][image: image4.JPG]
>>> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Tim Butterfield  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Joe,
 I like pretty also and, like you, am willing to pay the extra.  I still 
 plan to get the Homer.  I don't ever want to look back and wish I had.

 Thanks.

 Tim

 On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I think a major difference between Homer and Sam is the Sam's sloping 
> toptube vs. Homer's more traditional flatter one. This splits the 
> difference for me because I prefer the lower standover of Riv's newer 
> models, but like the Homer look better. Well I'm vain and if it's my 
> money, 
> I'm paying more for looks. I think the aesthetic detail differences 
> between 
> the two are more pronounced than the ride, and I'll pay for "more 
> pretty". 
> Get the Homer..you're not in the market for a Sam.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[James Chang]

Hi Ryan,

The custom is a wine/maroon color.  Looks horrible on paper but wonderful
on a bike.  Joe Bell knows his stuff.

James Chang
Taipei, Taiwan

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> Hi James
>
> That is a real beauty! What colour?
>
> Ryan...trying to nail the colour for her custom mixte :)
>
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 10:10:30 AM UTC-5, James Chang wrote:
>>
>> The homer is just a great all around bike.  Can be fast and can be plenty
>> stout for general riding.  I've got a custom AHH (with center-pull bosses
>> and JB paint) and just love it.  Can't imagine ever selling it.  Sure I
>> lust after something with lighter tubing and maybe even low trail but
>> whenever I hop on my Riv all that noise goes away.
>>
>> Here is my a couple of shots of my Riv.  The photo with the saddle bag is
>> taken two weeks ago after finishing a 200K ACP ride.
>>
>> James CHANG
>> Taipei, Taiwan
>> [image: image2.JPG][image: image3.JPG][image: image4.JPG]
>> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Tim Butterfield 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe,
>>> I like pretty also and, like you, am willing to pay the extra.  I still
>>> plan to get the Homer.  I don't ever want to look back and wish I had.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 I think a major difference between Homer and Sam is the Sam's sloping
 toptube vs. Homer's more traditional flatter one. This splits the
 difference for me because I prefer the lower standover of Riv's newer
 models, but like the Homer look better. Well I'm vain and if it's my money,
 I'm paying more for looks. I think the aesthetic detail differences between
 the two are more pronounced than the ride, and I'll pay for "more pretty".
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Brian Campbell]

I have had good luck with  this bag:

http://www.acornbags.com/products/medium-saddlebag?variant=1113866272

Holds repair kit, food, phone, rain shell and there is still some room to 
spare. I did a 200k with this bag and was never thinking I needed to be 
carrying more. 

On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 5:10:58 PM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
> Ha.  :)  No touring for me, so a medium might suffice.  I'm not sure I 
> want to be carrying 'luggage' on a regular basis.  Do Samsonite or American 
> Tourister make a saddlebag?  :)  Actually, I could probably get away with a 
> small given how little I normally carry.  But, then the wife mentioned 
> picking up groceries.  So, maybe, or maybe I need two sizes.  :)
>
> But, no beer on LCHF.  :(
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 05/31/2016 04:02 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>
>>> Steve/René,
>>> Thanks for that information.  So, unloaded or lightly loaded on the 
>>> front.  It looks like for a single bag, I will be going with a saddlebag 
>>> instead of a handlebar bag.  The use of a saddlebag means I will also need 
>>> to start with a rear rack to keep the Garmin Varia rearview taillight 
>>> visible.  Given that, I can also start with a not-so-small saddlebag that 
>>> rests on the rack instead of buying larger later.  That should handle my 
>>> needs for a long time.  I'll re-review prior comments on racks and see what 
>>> I come up with.
>>>
>>>
>> Here comes that large size Saddlesack...   I wasn't kidding about the 24 
>> pack of beer, somebody did that on our Riv Rally GAP tour...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Thanks, Doug.  I'll include that in my research.

Tim

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 3:17 PM, dougP  wrote:

> Tim:
>
> There have been several threads"what can you carry in your saddlebag?".
> Check the archives. Plenty along the lines of "2 gallons of milk, dozen
> bagels, 6 oranges, etc." A Nitro R-14 supporting a large saddleback will
> carry a lot of groceries. Plus a lock, library books, maybe the laundry,
> ... Even the medium is pretty voluminous.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[dougP]

Tim:

There have been several threads"what can you carry in your saddlebag?". Check 
the archives. Plenty along the lines of "2 gallons of milk, dozen bagels, 6 
oranges, etc." A Nitro R-14 supporting a large saddleback will carry a lot of 
groceries. Plus a lock, library books, maybe the laundry, ... Even the medium 
is pretty voluminous. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Ha.  :)  No touring for me, so a medium might suffice.  I'm not sure I want
to be carrying 'luggage' on a regular basis.  Do Samsonite or American
Tourister make a saddlebag?  :)  Actually, I could probably get away with a
small given how little I normally carry.  But, then the wife mentioned
picking up groceries.  So, maybe, or maybe I need two sizes.  :)

But, no beer on LCHF.  :(

Thanks.

Tim

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 05/31/2016 04:02 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
>> Steve/René,
>> Thanks for that information.  So, unloaded or lightly loaded on the
>> front.  It looks like for a single bag, I will be going with a saddlebag
>> instead of a handlebar bag.  The use of a saddlebag means I will also need
>> to start with a rear rack to keep the Garmin Varia rearview taillight
>> visible.  Given that, I can also start with a not-so-small saddlebag that
>> rests on the rack instead of buying larger later.  That should handle my
>> needs for a long time.  I'll re-review prior comments on racks and see what
>> I come up with.
>>
>>
> Here comes that large size Saddlesack...   I wasn't kidding about the 24
> pack of beer, somebody did that on our Riv Rally GAP tour...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/31/2016 04:02 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:

Steve/René,
Thanks for that information.  So, unloaded or lightly loaded on the 
front.  It looks like for a single bag, I will be going with a 
saddlebag instead of a handlebar bag.  The use of a saddlebag means I 
will also need to start with a rear rack to keep the Garmin Varia 
rearview taillight visible.  Given that, I can also start with a 
not-so-small saddlebag that rests on the rack instead of buying larger 
later.  That should handle my needs for a long time.  I'll re-review 
prior comments on racks and see what I come up with.




Here comes that large size Saddlesack...   I wasn't kidding about the 24 
pack of beer, somebody did that on our Riv Rally GAP tour...


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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Steve/René,
Thanks for that information.  So, unloaded or lightly loaded on the front.
It looks like for a single bag, I will be going with a saddlebag instead of
a handlebar bag.  The use of a saddlebag means I will also need to start
with a rear rack to keep the Garmin Varia rearview taillight visible.
Given that, I can also start with a not-so-small saddlebag that rests on
the rack instead of buying larger later.  That should handle my needs for a
long time.  I'll re-review prior comments on racks and see what I come up
with.

Thanks.

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/31/2016 12:30 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:

James,
Nice looking bike.

Your mention of and picture of the saddlebag reminds me of something I 
noticed when browsing the ahomerhilsen tag on flickr.  It seems that 
when a Homer has only a single bag mounted, it is most likely to be a 
saddlebag and not a bar bag.  Does the geometry of the AHH make this 
the preferred spot if only carrying a single bag?


Yes, definitely.

I had thought to start my AHH with just a bar bag like on my AWOL, but 
if the AHH handles better with a saddlebag, I may need to rethink that.




A lightly loaded bag, no problem, but Riv geometry is not right for a 
heavily loaded bag.  They pretty much don't seem to notice even 
outrageous rear loads.  You've seen photos of some of the ginormous rear 
bags Riv sells.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Ryan Fleming]

Hi James

That is a real beauty! What colour? 

Ryan...trying to nail the colour for her custom mixte :)

On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 10:10:30 AM UTC-5, James Chang wrote:
>
> The homer is just a great all around bike.  Can be fast and can be plenty 
> stout for general riding.  I've got a custom AHH (with center-pull bosses 
> and JB paint) and just love it.  Can't imagine ever selling it.  Sure I 
> lust after something with lighter tubing and maybe even low trail but 
> whenever I hop on my Riv all that noise goes away.
>
> Here is my a couple of shots of my Riv.  The photo with the saddle bag is 
> taken two weeks ago after finishing a 200K ACP ride.
>
> James CHANG
> Taipei, Taiwan
> [image: image2.JPG][image: image3.JPG][image: image4.JPG]
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Tim Butterfield  > wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>> I like pretty also and, like you, am willing to pay the extra.  I still 
>> plan to get the Homer.  I don't ever want to look back and wish I had.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Joe Bernard > > wrote:
>>
>>> I think a major difference between Homer and Sam is the Sam's sloping 
>>> toptube vs. Homer's more traditional flatter one. This splits the 
>>> difference for me because I prefer the lower standover of Riv's newer 
>>> models, but like the Homer look better. Well I'm vain and if it's my money, 
>>> I'm paying more for looks. I think the aesthetic detail differences between 
>>> the two are more pronounced than the ride, and I'll pay for "more pretty". 
>>> Get the Homer..you're not in the market for a Sam.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Scott,
Thanks for all of that information.  That is exactly what I want, a useful
and versatile bike with a bit of zip.  I don't worry about the weight of
the bike.  Further reducing my weight and improving my engine will help
performance far more than reducing bike weight.

Cheers.

Tim

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wrote:

> I just recently purchased an AHH (within the last year).  It is certainly
> a lively bike (compared to my Long Haul Trucker) and likes to move along.
> I wanted to try it out as a go fast bike, but I have found that I love the
> general greatness of just riding it around.  I am 48 and get much more
> enjoyment now out of biking somewhere than biking to get miles or time in.
> The AHH is perfect for going places.  It takes fenders and racks.  I have
> it set up with platforms so I can ride it in regular shoes.
>
> If you are worried about weight and are still thinking of no fenders, no
> racks, clipped in, going fast, then go for the Rodeo.  If you want a really
> useful bike that still has zip, go for the AHH.
>
> I was talking to a counterpart at work that I have ridden with for many
> years and he was explaining to me that he couldn't commute to work any
> longer because his route had some construction and his bike path had a
> gravel section.  He was also worried about carrying his laptop and getting
> wet.  I told him he needed a "useful" bike.  That is what the AHH rocks.
> No better useful bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

John,
On consideration, there seem to be some trade-offs with this.  With just a
cover, it doesn't look 'special' enough to want to steal.  It blends in
with how some other bikes are kept at the RV park.  If I get too fancy with
a cover (frame, tarp, etc.), the apparent value increases as I am doing
more obvious things for protection.  That may encourage casual observers to
wonder what's worth the extra effort.  I would prefer to discourage their
thinking along those lines.  So, I think I need to keep it either simple
(cover & lock) or contained within a box, trailer, etc. that can be made
more secure.

Thanks.

Tim

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wrote:

> Tim
>
> Perhaps a tarp with eyelets and a few bungee cords to secure the tarp to
> the ground.  Maybe 2 or 3 eyebolts driven in the ground to attach the
> bungees too.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 4:09:28 PM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>> Like you, I get upset when my bike gets a mark.  But, it is designed to
>> be used and life happens.  It is silly to worry about.  I doubt I would
>> ever wear out the frame.  Anything else can be replaced.  If it ever does
>> get looking too marked up, I can always strip it and repaint.  So, maybe 20
>> to 30 years down the road, I can try out a new shade of blue. :)
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> The RBW site is certainly wise to recommend inside storage, but Grant
>>> has also stated many times in relation to beausage and such (paraphrases):
>>> "Bicycles are outdoor products. You're going to scratch them and wear out
>>> parts."
>>>
>>> This is a thing I try to remember because I tend to be very OCD about my
>>> bikes getting weathered, and it's a highly silly thing to worry about.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

John,
Thanks for clarifying.  The difference is immaterial and doesn't affect the
sentiment I expressed.  Not having ridden either, I can still imagine a
difference. :)

Tim

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wrote:

> Tim
>
> Apologize for a poor choice of words, in 'thought'. The guy said the AHH
> rode better than the Sam, if only marginally, there was a difference.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 3:35:52 PM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
>> John,
>> Thanks for relating that.  Even a difference of only 'in my head,' real
>> or imagined, is sufficient for me.  I imagine, so it will probably be in my
>> head also. :)
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:27 PM, John Hawrylak 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A while ago I spoke to a guy in the White Clay Bicycle Club (Delaware)
>>> who had a AHH and a Sam.  He was riding the Sam that day.  He said he
>>> thought the AHH rode "better" than the Sam  Just his opinion.
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 1:45:15 AM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>>
 Joe,
 I like pretty also and, like you, am willing to pay the extra.  I still
 plan to get the Homer.  I don't ever want to look back and wish I had.

 Thanks.

 Tim

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> I think a major difference between Homer and Sam is the Sam's sloping
> toptube vs. Homer's more traditional flatter one. This splits the
> difference for me because I prefer the lower standover of Riv's newer
> models, but like the Homer look better. Well I'm vain and if it's my 
> money,
> I'm paying more for looks. I think the aesthetic detail differences 
> between
> the two are more pronounced than the ride, and I'll pay for "more pretty".
> Get the Homer..you're not in the market for a Sam.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[John Hawrylak]

Tim

Perhaps a tarp with eyelets and a few bungee cords to secure the tarp to 
the ground.  Maybe 2 or 3 eyebolts driven in the ground to attach the 
bungees too.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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> Joe,
> Like you, I get upset when my bike gets a mark.  But, it is designed to be 
> used and life happens.  It is silly to worry about.  I doubt I would ever 
> wear out the frame.  Anything else can be replaced.  If it ever does get 
> looking too marked up, I can always strip it and repaint.  So, maybe 20 to 
> 30 years down the road, I can try out a new shade of blue. :)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> The RBW site is certainly wise to recommend inside storage, but Grant has 
>> also stated many times in relation to beausage and such (paraphrases): 
>> "Bicycles are outdoor products. You're going to scratch them and wear out 
>> parts."
>>
>> This is a thing I try to remember because I tend to be very OCD about my 
>> bikes getting weathered, and it's a highly silly thing to worry about.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[John Hawrylak]

Tim

Apologize for a poor choice of words, in 'thought'. The guy said the AHH 
rode better than the Sam, if only marginally, there was a difference.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 3:35:52 PM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote:

> John,
> Thanks for relating that.  Even a difference of only 'in my head,' real or 
> imagined, is sufficient for me.  I imagine, so it will probably be in my 
> head also. :)
>
> Tim
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:27 PM, John Hawrylak  > wrote:
>
>> A while ago I spoke to a guy in the White Clay Bicycle Club (Delaware) 
>> who had a AHH and a Sam.  He was riding the Sam that day.  He said he 
>> thought the AHH rode "better" than the Sam  Just his opinion.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 1:45:15 AM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>
>>> Joe,
>>> I like pretty also and, like you, am willing to pay the extra.  I still 
>>> plan to get the Homer.  I don't ever want to look back and wish I had.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 I think a major difference between Homer and Sam is the Sam's sloping 
 toptube vs. Homer's more traditional flatter one. This splits the 
 difference for me because I prefer the lower standover of Riv's newer 
 models, but like the Homer look better. Well I'm vain and if it's my 
 money, 
 I'm paying more for looks. I think the aesthetic detail differences 
 between 
 the two are more pronounced than the ride, and I'll pay for "more pretty". 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Ryan,
Thanks for that info.  I'll check with Riv about rust-proofing the frame.
Maybe they can add some before they ship it to me to give it a good start.
I also have some Boeshield T-9 from when I had a woodworking shop.  When it
comes time to renew it, I'll try to find that video.

Thanks.

Tim

On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> Hi Tim
>
>
> Inside storage is the best, but one thing to do if Riv does not already do
> this (and I believe they probably still do but you could discuss this with
> them) is to  ask about rust-proofing your frame... and whatever they use
> (Boeshield, Frame-saver, etc...many good products out there) know that
> especially if your bike lives outdoors , the process will have to be
> repeated  on some sort of regular schedule which depends on what your
> weather and typical riding conditions are  like. There WAS a video on the
> Riv site for how to do this (for the next time you have to do this) but the
> link is inactive...may be off You tube; I think the good folks at Riv
> indicated some of their videos moved.
>
> Anyway , Riv's instructional videos are a pleasure to watch because it's
> really fun watching people who are superb at what they do , do what they do.
>
> Sounds like your Homer will be special! You won't go wrong with a
> Rivendell and there's something for everyone, I think
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:57:31 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> The RBW site is certainly wise to recommend inside storage, but Grant has
>> also stated many times in relation to beausage and such (paraphrases):
>> "Bicycles are outdoor products. You're going to scratch them and wear out
>> parts."
>>
>> This is a thing I try to remember because I tend to be very OCD about my
>> bikes getting weathered, and it's a highly silly thing to worry about.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Ryan Fleming]

Hi Tim


Inside storage is the best, but one thing to do if Riv does not already do 
this (and I believe they probably still do but you could discuss this with 
them) is to  ask about rust-proofing your frame... and whatever they use 
(Boeshield, Frame-saver, etc...many good products out there) know that 
especially if your bike lives outdoors , the process will have to be 
repeated  on some sort of regular schedule which depends on what your 
weather and typical riding conditions are  like. There WAS a video on the 
Riv site for how to do this (for the next time you have to do this) but the 
link is inactive...may be off You tube; I think the good folks at Riv 
indicated some of their videos moved.

Anyway , Riv's instructional videos are a pleasure to watch because it's 
really fun watching people who are superb at what they do , do what they do.

Sounds like your Homer will be special! You won't go wrong with a Rivendell 
and there's something for everyone, I think



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>
> The RBW site is certainly wise to recommend inside storage, but Grant has 
> also stated many times in relation to beausage and such (paraphrases): 
> "Bicycles are outdoor products. You're going to scratch them and wear out 
> parts."
>
> This is a thing I try to remember because I tend to be very OCD about my 
> bikes getting weathered, and it's a highly silly thing to worry about. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Patrick,
That's a hoot.  Thanks.

Tim

On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> And I am the opposite of Joe. I wash my bike by riding in the rain. If
> that seems like it would also get it muddy again, it does. Rotating layers
> of mud. Grin. My panniers are really looking forward to going bikepacking
> so they can get clean in an all night rain! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 1:57:31 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> The RBW site is certainly wise to recommend inside storage, but Grant has
>> also stated many times in relation to beausage and such (paraphrases):
>> "Bicycles are outdoor products. You're going to scratch them and wear out
>> parts."
>>
>> This is a thing I try to remember because I tend to be very OCD about my
>> bikes getting weathered, and it's a highly silly thing to worry about.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Joe,
Like you, I get upset when my bike gets a mark.  But, it is designed to be
used and life happens.  It is silly to worry about.  I doubt I would ever
wear out the frame.  Anything else can be replaced.  If it ever does get
looking too marked up, I can always strip it and repaint.  So, maybe 20 to
30 years down the road, I can try out a new shade of blue. :)

Thanks.

Tim

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> The RBW site is certainly wise to recommend inside storage, but Grant has
> also stated many times in relation to beausage and such (paraphrases):
> "Bicycles are outdoor products. You're going to scratch them and wear out
> parts."
>
> This is a thing I try to remember because I tend to be very OCD about my
> bikes getting weathered, and it's a highly silly thing to worry about.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Deacon Patrick]

And I am the opposite of Joe. I wash my bike by riding in the rain. If that 
seems like it would also get it muddy again, it does. Rotating layers of 
mud. Grin. My panniers are really looking forward to going bikepacking so 
they can get clean in an all night rain! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> The RBW site is certainly wise to recommend inside storage, but Grant has 
> also stated many times in relation to beausage and such (paraphrases): 
> "Bicycles are outdoor products. You're going to scratch them and wear out 
> parts."
>
> This is a thing I try to remember because I tend to be very OCD about my 
> bikes getting weathered, and it's a highly silly thing to worry about. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Brian/Patrick,
Thanks for that.  I like simple and have it already with a bike cover and
lock.  The cover doesn't go quite all of the way to the ground and it moves
some in the wind.  It's almost like it breaths, which may not be a good
thing from Riv's perspective, especially with the salt air from the sea.
We are on an island after all.  I'm not sure if a tarp would be an upgrade
or downgrade.  Maybe a tarp over a PVC frame might be an upgrade.  It would
still be simple and would block a bit more wind.  But, then the idea
extends to: "If it has a frame, why not make the sides plywood?" and I'm
back to building a box.  Keeping it simple is certainly easier. :)

Of course, if I'm going to keep my storage locker for more than a few
years, it may make sense to get a small cargo trailer, empty the storage
locker into that and put the bike at the back so I can easily access it.
Our RV site has room for that.  Hmmm.

Tim

On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> +1 for tarp and lock. Ain't nuttin' wrong with simple, and a lot right!
> Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 1:42:38 PM UTC-6, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> A nice tarp and lock will suffice. I wouldn't worry too much about that
>> aspect of things. Interenet forums/ lists are full of arm chair (and real)
>> engineers. Half of the the fun of bikes for them is getting to solve
>> problems that they create. With a tarp and a lock the bike will outlast
>> most folks on this list.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Joe Bernard]

The RBW site is certainly wise to recommend inside storage, but Grant has also 
stated many times in relation to beausage and such (paraphrases): "Bicycles are 
outdoor products. You're going to scratch them and wear out parts."

This is a thing I try to remember because I tend to be very OCD about my bikes 
getting weathered, and it's a highly silly thing to worry about. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Deacon Patrick]

+1 for tarp and lock. Ain't nuttin' wrong with simple, and a lot right! 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> A nice tarp and lock will suffice. I wouldn't worry too much about that 
> aspect of things. Interenet forums/ lists are full of arm chair (and real) 
> engineers. Half of the the fun of bikes for them is getting to solve 
> problems that they create. With a tarp and a lock the bike will outlast 
> most folks on this list.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Brian Campbell]

A nice tarp and lock will suffice. I wouldn't worry too much about that 
aspect of things. Interenet forums/ lists are full of arm chair (and real) 
engineers. Half of the the fun of bikes for them is getting to solve 
problems that they create. With a tarp and a lock the bike will outlast 
most folks on this list.

On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 3:31:41 PM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
> Lungimsam,
> Thanks for that info.  But, what if you don't have an inside?  I live 
> full-time in an RV, which has very little interior space.  I guess I could 
> try to build a box to hold it to reduce air flow instead of using a cover.  
> That would also make it a bit more secure.  It would need to be something I 
> could easily disassemble when I move.  So, should I go that route or just 
> skip getting a nice bike?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Lungimsam  > wrote:
>
>> From the RBW website:
>>
>> "*NOTE: If you have the bad habit of storing your bike outside, Do Not 
>> Do It!* Bring that bike inside, please! Your trusty little bike and all 
>> it's metal parts are corroding little by little by being stored outside, 
>> exposed to the mist, dew, fog, rain, snow, elements."
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

John,
Thanks for relating that.  Even a difference of only 'in my head,' real or
imagined, is sufficient for me.  I imagine, so it will probably be in my
head also. :)

Tim

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> A while ago I spoke to a guy in the White Clay Bicycle Club (Delaware) who
> had a AHH and a Sam.  He was riding the Sam that day.  He said he thought
> the AHH rode "better" than the Sam  Just his opinion.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 1:45:15 AM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>> I like pretty also and, like you, am willing to pay the extra.  I still
>> plan to get the Homer.  I don't ever want to look back and wish I had.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> I think a major difference between Homer and Sam is the Sam's sloping
>>> toptube vs. Homer's more traditional flatter one. This splits the
>>> difference for me because I prefer the lower standover of Riv's newer
>>> models, but like the Homer look better. Well I'm vain and if it's my money,
>>> I'm paying more for looks. I think the aesthetic detail differences between
>>> the two are more pronounced than the ride, and I'll pay for "more pretty".
>>> Get the Homer..you're not in the market for a Sam.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Lungimsam,
Thanks for that info.  But, what if you don't have an inside?  I live
full-time in an RV, which has very little interior space.  I guess I could
try to build a box to hold it to reduce air flow instead of using a cover.
That would also make it a bit more secure.  It would need to be something I
could easily disassemble when I move.  So, should I go that route or just
skip getting a nice bike?

Thanks.

Tim

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> From the RBW website:
>
> "*NOTE: If you have the bad habit of storing your bike outside, Do Not Do
> It!* Bring that bike inside, please! Your trusty little bike and all it's
> metal parts are corroding little by little by being stored outside, exposed
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

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A while ago I spoke to a guy in the White Clay Bicycle Club (Delaware) who 
had a AHH and a Sam.  He was riding the Sam that day.  He said he thought 
the AHH rode "better" than the Sam  Just his opinion.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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> Joe,
> I like pretty also and, like you, am willing to pay the extra.  I still 
> plan to get the Homer.  I don't ever want to look back and wish I had.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>
> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> I think a major difference between Homer and Sam is the Sam's sloping 
>> toptube vs. Homer's more traditional flatter one. This splits the 
>> difference for me because I prefer the lower standover of Riv's newer 
>> models, but like the Homer look better. Well I'm vain and if it's my money, 
>> I'm paying more for looks. I think the aesthetic detail differences between 
>> the two are more pronounced than the ride, and I'll pay for "more pretty". 
>> Get the Homer..you're not in the market for a Sam.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Joe,
I like pretty also and, like you, am willing to pay the extra.  I still
plan to get the Homer.  I don't ever want to look back and wish I had.

Thanks.

Tim

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> toptube vs. Homer's more traditional flatter one. This splits the
> difference for me because I prefer the lower standover of Riv's newer
> models, but like the Homer look better. Well I'm vain and if it's my money,
> I'm paying more for looks. I think the aesthetic detail differences between
> the two are more pronounced than the ride, and I'll pay for "more pretty".
> Get the Homer..you're not in the market for a Sam.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Joe Bernard]

I think a major difference between Homer and Sam is the Sam's sloping toptube 
vs. Homer's more traditional flatter one. This splits the difference for me 
because I prefer the lower standover of Riv's newer models, but like the Homer 
look better. Well I'm vain and if it's my money, I'm paying more for looks. I 
think the aesthetic detail differences between the two are more pronounced than 
the ride, and I'll pay for "more pretty". Get the Homer..you're not in the 
market for a Sam.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Will,
Thanks for confirming the rack/bag combo.

As for the Sam, I think I need to pull out a car analogy.  I have owned
both of these, so should be qualified to compare.  For the person with
their heart set on an Audi S4, the VW Jetta is a poor substitute.  Both are
made by VW and both can seat four, but they are not the same.  That's how I
equate the Sam to the Homer.  I know Grant has commented on the
similarities in ride, but that's not all there is to it or he would not
sell both.

My commute to work is less than thirty feet as I work from home.  My use of
any bike is thus limited to fun and/or exercise.  For me, that means riding
around town and on the paved MUP or, maybe eventually, working up to a
century.  Other than saving some greenbacks, can you honestly tell me the
Sam will fulfill that role better than the Homer?  If there is a valid
non-financial reason to get the Sam, I'm listening.  Otherwise, there is a
bit of risk here.  If you convince me to not get a Homer, I may not get any
Riv or even any other bike.  I may just stick with what I have.  If you're
not comfortable discussing this on the public list, feel free to email me
privately.  Before I shatter a dream, I want to make sure the reason is
sound.

Thanks.

Tim

On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 4:45 AM, Will  wrote:

> Bingo you keep the Ortlieb front bag and match with Tubus/Ortlieb
> rear.
>
> I still think you should go back to the drawing board and give strong
> consideration to a "complete" Sam. It might be cheaper from a financial
> POV, but it is not cheaper from a visual or functional POV. The builders in
> Taiwan are equal to Waterford. Also you have additional wheel clearance and
> you have a tube set that Petersen obviously likes and strongly recommends.
> Both are stong signals.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 12:53:57 AM UTC-5, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:
>>
>>> You'll never regret a Mark's rack.  So handy.  I would second the
>>> suggestions of the Tubus Evo and panniers.  I have a Cosmo that I've moved
>>> across three different bikes.  It may be heavier duty than you want but it
>>> isn't that heavy and the ability to carry panniers low is really nice
>>> because handles well and it leaves the top portion for other things.  You
>>> may not need it often but when you do, it is nice to have.  I would buy the
>>> Logo over the Cosmo.  The two prongs sticking up on the Cosmo wore through
>>> my Saddlesack.  I had to reinforce it with leather.  That wouldn't have
>>> been a problem with the Logo.
>>>
>>
>>  I'm having some visual discord between a Tubus Logo Evo rear rack and a
>> Mark's front rack.  I would prefer they either both be black or both be
>> chrome, but would prefer to avoid a mismatch between them.  A silver
>> painted Logo wouldn't quite do it either.  I could get the Tubus Logo Evo
>> rear, but would need a matching black rack for the front.  I could get the
>> Marks' front, but would want a matching chrome rack for the rear.  Most of
>> the Tubus front seem oriented to panniers, which I'm not likely to use on
>> either end.  So, I could do my original guess of the Mark's front and the
>> Nitto R14 rear.  Or, I could do the Tubus Logo Evo rear, but would need
>> something for the font that was not pannier oriented.  Of course, I could
>> use the Tubus Logo Evo rear and keep my Ortleib Ultimate 6 Pro-M front
>> bar bag, not using a front rack at all.  Any further thoughts on this?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Will]

Bingo you keep the Ortlieb front bag and match with Tubus/Ortlieb rear. 

I still think you should go back to the drawing board and give strong 
consideration to a "complete" Sam. It might be cheaper from a financial 
POV, but it is not cheaper from a visual or functional POV. The builders in 
Taiwan are equal to Waterford. Also you have additional wheel clearance and 
you have a tube set that Petersen obviously likes and strongly recommends. 
Both are stong signals. 





On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 12:53:57 AM UTC-5, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Surlyprof  > wrote:
>
>> You'll never regret a Mark's rack.  So handy.  I would second the 
>> suggestions of the Tubus Evo and panniers.  I have a Cosmo that I've moved 
>> across three different bikes.  It may be heavier duty than you want but it 
>> isn't that heavy and the ability to carry panniers low is really nice 
>> because handles well and it leaves the top portion for other things.  You 
>> may not need it often but when you do, it is nice to have.  I would buy the 
>> Logo over the Cosmo.  The two prongs sticking up on the Cosmo wore through 
>> my Saddlesack.  I had to reinforce it with leather.  That wouldn't have 
>> been a problem with the Logo.
>>
>
>  I'm having some visual discord between a Tubus Logo Evo rear rack and a 
> Mark's front rack.  I would prefer they either both be black or both be 
> chrome, but would prefer to avoid a mismatch between them.  A silver 
> painted Logo wouldn't quite do it either.  I could get the Tubus Logo Evo 
> rear, but would need a matching black rack for the front.  I could get the 
> Marks' front, but would want a matching chrome rack for the rear.  Most of 
> the Tubus front seem oriented to panniers, which I'm not likely to use on 
> either end.  So, I could do my original guess of the Mark's front and the 
> Nitto R14 rear.  Or, I could do the Tubus Logo Evo rear, but would need 
> something for the font that was not pannier oriented.  Of course, I could 
> use the Tubus Logo Evo rear and keep my Ortleib Ultimate 6 Pro-M front 
> bar bag, not using a front rack at all.  Any further thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> You'll never regret a Mark's rack.  So handy.  I would second the
> suggestions of the Tubus Evo and panniers.  I have a Cosmo that I've moved
> across three different bikes.  It may be heavier duty than you want but it
> isn't that heavy and the ability to carry panniers low is really nice
> because handles well and it leaves the top portion for other things.  You
> may not need it often but when you do, it is nice to have.  I would buy the
> Logo over the Cosmo.  The two prongs sticking up on the Cosmo wore through
> my Saddlesack.  I had to reinforce it with leather.  That wouldn't have
> been a problem with the Logo.
>

 I'm having some visual discord between a Tubus Logo Evo rear rack and a
Mark's front rack.  I would prefer they either both be black or both be
chrome, but would prefer to avoid a mismatch between them.  A silver
painted Logo wouldn't quite do it either.  I could get the Tubus Logo Evo
rear, but would need a matching black rack for the front.  I could get the
Marks' front, but would want a matching chrome rack for the rear.  Most of
the Tubus front seem oriented to panniers, which I'm not likely to use on
either end.  So, I could do my original guess of the Mark's front and the
Nitto R14 rear.  Or, I could do the Tubus Logo Evo rear, but would need
something for the font that was not pannier oriented.  Of course, I could
use the Tubus Logo Evo rear and keep my Ortleib Ultimate 6 Pro-M front bar
bag, not using a front rack at all.  Any further thoughts on this?

Thanks.

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

John,
Thanks for the width comment.  I'll check with them on width if I go for
the Compass.

Tim

On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 6:00 AM, John Hawrylak 
wrote:

> Tim
>
> Just 1 comment on the handlebar WIDTH.  You chosen 44cm.  I went from a
> 42cm rando type bar (38cm at the hoofs) to a 44cm Noodle (actually wider
> then 44) and did not like it as much. I felt too open regardless of hand
> position.
>
> Suggest considering or talking to Compass on width, especially at the
> hoods.  I know RBW prefers wider, but it was not an improvement for me
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 8:26:01 PM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
>> John,
>> Thanks for explaining.  I had heard the Hillborne may be a little more
>> heavy duty also, though my needs don't extend further in that direction.
>> I will have a couple of months to determine the remaining components.  So
>> far, the only items I'm relatively settled on are
>>
>> Compass Randonneur handlebar  440mm
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[John Hawrylak]

Tim

Just 1 comment on the handlebar WIDTH.  You chosen 44cm.  I went from a 
42cm rando type bar (38cm at the hoofs) to a 44cm Noodle (actually wider 
then 44) and did not like it as much. I felt too open regardless of hand 
position.

Suggest considering or talking to Compass on width, especially at the 
hoods.  I know RBW prefers wider, but it was not an improvement for me

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 8:26:01 PM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote:

> John,
> Thanks for explaining.  I had heard the Hillborne may be a little more 
> heavy duty also, though my needs don't extend further in that direction.
> I will have a couple of months to determine the remaining components.  So 
> far, the only items I'm relatively settled on are
>
> Compass Randonneur handlebar  440mm
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Thanks, Avery.  I'm looking forward to riding my Homer.

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Avery Wilson  wrote:

> I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone getting an A. Homer Hilsen and
> regretting it. Hands down, it's just a fantastic road bike. It's certainly
> the best I've ever ridden.  My dad, a dedicated carbon-riding roadie has
> ridden it and conceded that it has a "magical" ride quality about it.
>
> See below for relevant stats if interested:
>
> I am 5'10" with an 88.5pbh. I ride a 2010 black and cream Waterford-built
> 61cm Homer that I've had canti bosses brazed onto the back, and swapped the
> fork for an old stock cantilever Hillborne fork. Since I'm long of leg and
> short of torso, I use a 6cm technomic fork with 46cm Noodles. I'm running
> Soma Supple Vitesse 42mm tires with sks P50 fenders and it's just perfect.
>
> You will love the Homer.
>
> Avery Wilson
> Indianapolis, IN
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Avery Wilson]

I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone getting an A. Homer Hilsen and 
regretting it. Hands down, it's just a fantastic road bike. It's certainly the 
best I've ever ridden.  My dad, a dedicated carbon-riding roadie has ridden it 
and conceded that it has a "magical" ride quality about it. 

See below for relevant stats if interested: 

I am 5'10" with an 88.5pbh. I ride a 2010 black and cream Waterford-built 61cm 
Homer that I've had canti bosses brazed onto the back, and swapped the fork for 
an old stock cantilever Hillborne fork. Since I'm long of leg and short of 
torso, I use a 6cm technomic fork with 46cm Noodles. I'm running Soma Supple 
Vitesse 42mm tires with sks P50 fenders and it's just perfect.

You will love the Homer. 

Avery Wilson 
Indianapolis, IN 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Joe Bernard]

I agree about brifters and triples. They...what's the word I'm looking for 
here...SUCK.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Chris,
It's more of a drive than you think.  From Anacortes, WA, getting Walnut
Creek, CA is less than half the distance to Indy.  Thanks for the offer,
though.

Tim

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Christopher Wiggins 
wrote:

> Tim,  I'll be honest I didn't read all the responses,so I don't know where
> you are on this.  I have Sams, Appas and I own a AHH that you could ride.
> It's a bit of a drive, but it may clear things up a bit.
>
> Chris Wiggins
> Owner
> A1 Cyclery
> Indianapolis IN
>
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 10:38:33 PM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
>> I've been thinking of getting a Rivendell bicycle for a long time.  I
>> first joined this group to lurk back in 2010 and have been a member and
>> sometimes lurker since then.  But, I had not made the commitment and
>> purchased a Riv.  The closest I came was getting a Velo-Orange Rando.  That
>> was sort of rivish.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157624827193423
>>
>> Being in the suburbs of Chicago near O'Hare airport limited my comfort
>> using it the way it should have been.  That bike was sold before I left
>> Chicago to live full-time in an RV.  Once we decided to settle in
>> Anacortes, WA (still in the RV), I purchased a Specialized AWOL Comp,
>> definitely not rivish.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157644371355428
>>
>> It's a nice bike, but I now want something more rivish, this time, the
>> real thing.  I'm thinking of getting either the Roadeo or the A Homer
>> Hilsen.  I like the idea of the liveliness and sportiness of the Roadeo,
>> but like the bit of extra versatility of the AHH also.  With my weight at
>> 200+ (PBH 33" or 83.8cm, age 51), I'm leaning towards the AHH instead of
>> the Roadeo.  I can start more roadish with the AHH and, as I build my
>> abilities further, expand the bike to fit new and/or different tasks
>> without having to change frames.
>>
>> So, I'm fairly settled on getting my first Riv, one of the two
>> mentioned.  My pondering now is mostly on how to appoint it.  My Rando was
>> more modern with the 105 setup.  The AWOL was definitely modern with discs
>> and SRAM setup.  But, I'm not tied to that.  Though I haven't used it much,
>> I like the looks of a quill stem, drop bars, and downtube shifters.  It
>> looks clean and simple.  I'm just not sure what it's like to live with.  I
>> expect that, like many things, it is a matter of adapting to it.  But,
>> using DT shifters or bar ends does set a direction as neither would work
>> with an 11-speed I could have instead.  I'm trying to consider the pros and
>> cons of each.
>>
>> With my AWOL, I leave it locked to the cabana just outside my RV.  Some
>> RVs have sufficient inside storage for a bike.  Mine doesn't.
>>
>> My questions to the group are these:  As I am not yet doing longer
>> distances, are there still benefits to the more traditional setups?  If I
>> pick either one, what might I later miss the other may have provided?  Are
>> there likely to be any weather related or other wear issues leaving a Riv
>> locked to the RV park cabana like I do my AWOL?  I'm doubtful of that, but
>> don't want to mistreat it either.  Any thing else I should consider?
>>
>> Thanks for any advice you have.
>>
>> Tim
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Justin,
When I spoke with Dave earlier today, he mentioned Pauls now come in a
bolt-on.  Is there enough of a performance difference to get the Pauls
insted of the Tektro R559?  I like the mention of the Compass EL tires,
especially the Barlow EL mentioned by Surlyprof.

Thanks.

Tim



On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Justin August 
wrote:

> If I were ordering a new AHH I would ask for the following customization:
> - Paul Racer Braze-ons
> You won't regret having these brakes! I would also choose a custom color
> and use Compass EL tires.
>
> -Justin
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Tim,
That's an interesting take on 2x for brifters and 3x for bar-ends.  I'll
need to think on that for a while.  I think right now that's what I'm the
most undecided about.

For wheels, I want good and serviceable, but don't want bling I have to
keep polished to look okay.  So, the mid-range Shimano will probably work
well for that.

I was originally thinking B135 for the Nitto Randonneur, but the comment by
René has me leaning towards a 44 Compass now.

Thanks.

Tim

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

>
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:47 PM, Tim Butterfield <
> timbutterfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tim,
>> Lots of great info.  Thanks.  If I go with bar ends, I was thinking of
>> running the cable along the bar, existing the tape vertically through a
>> notch in the inside of the brake hoods.  That may keep the cable loop from
>> going too far forward and interfering with a bag I may mount in the front
>> later.  This might avoid the friction of following the bar further along
>> while still keeping the cable tucked in a bit.
>>
>> > I changed the right bar-end out for a 10-speed indexed Shimano BS79
>> shifter
>>
>> I took a look at that shifter and one thing let to another until I was
>> looking at the Shimano SL-BSR1.  I hadn’t thought I could get an 11-speed
>> group with bar ends.  That’s tempting, though I would be giving up the
>> friction option.  Like you say, it’s only a twist of the adjustment barrel
>> every so often to tweak it.  But, then again, after reading the comments
>> after yours, I wonder whether I would be better off with the standard 3x9
>> from Riv.  I do like the gearing on that.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
> Tim-
>
> Cable routing:
> Your routing plan sounds OK.  But I didn't mean to suggest that there is
> noticeable friction when the cables are routed all the way to the stem.
> Theoretically?  Yes.  In observation?  No, not if you use care to keep the
> bends as gradual as possible.
>
> I routed my shift cables along the bars to the stem, where the loops cross
> over to the opposite side of the downtube, and then cross over again
> between the downtube cable stops and the bottom bracket cable guide.  This
> makes the loops from the bars to the downtube more gradual, and it keeps
> the cable housing from rubbing on the head tube.  aka Sheldon Brown
> "criss-cross" 
>
>
> Drivetrain:
> 3 x 8 or 9 is excellent.  You can use a medium-range cassette (11-28 or
> 30) with a Riv/touring triple and still get good gear spacing but a wide
> gear range.  Also, 8 or 9 speed gear is more durable (wider chain spacing)
> and cheaper.
>
> 2 x 10 or 11 is also excellent.  But you have to use a wider-range
> cassette to get the same gear range as a triple, and the gear spacing will
> be wider.
>
> If I'm dead set on using brifters, I prefer a double crank.  If I'm dead
> set on a triple crank, I prefer bar-end shifters.
> In my experience, brifter triple shifting is picky.  It works best with
> the standard Shimano road triple (50/39/30) and doesn't like to work well
> with other ring combinations (especially rings without ramps & pins).
> Whereas, shifting a triple with a Silver bar-end is super easy.  And
> shifting a double with brifters seems to work pretty well.
>
> I use a Silver left shifter and indexed Shimano right shifter on both of
> my bikes with triple cranks.  I use brifters on both of my bikes with
> double cranks.
>
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Tim Butterfield <
> timbutterfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For some of the other components I'm narrowing down choices on...
>>
>> Bars - Nitto Randonneur - I want a drop bar and like the flare out of the
>> drop on these.  Earlier, Tim removed my worry about possibly using brifters
>> on it.  I had the FSA Wing Pro on my VO Rando and it was nice.  I think the
>> Randonneur flare may be a little better for me, though that's just a guess
>> right now.
>>
>> Wheels - Since I am not likely to need much lighting, battery power
>> should be sufficient for lighting instead of getting a dyno.  If I ever do
>> any touring later, I can get a dyno hub for the second wheel set.  I like
>> the idea of Phil hubs, but am leaning towards the standard Riv wheels.  I
>> don't know enough about Phils to know if extra cost difference would be
>> worth it for my application.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Wheels:
> Riv/Rich recommend mid-range Shimano hubs, which are quite good.  They're
> less expensive than boutique hubs, and any shop (or you) can service them
> easily.
> Pauls are nice (I have a set of 90s vintage freewheel Pauls), but I'm not
> convinced that they're worth the huge premium.
> I bought a Velo Orange Grand Cru Touring hub for my latest wheel build;
> it's about the same price as Ultegra hubs but it has cartridge bearings and
> is field-serviceable without tools.
>
> Bars:
> I love the Nitto Randonneur bars, but be warned that they come in a couple
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Thanks, Phillip.
I know Grant designed the San Marcos, but it's a Soma and, to me, not a
real Riv that is currently sold at rivbike.com.  For that requirement, I
think the AHH is as good as I can get.

Tim

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Philip Kim  wrote:

> I've owned a Hillborne and Cheviot, before settling on the San Marcos.
> This I'm building up for my gf, and then waiting for a Hunq, which should
> be ready in a couple of weeks
>
> Once you own one, you want to own them all. They all ride great, but due
> to limitations in space and money, I settles on the Hunq and San Marcos.
> The San Marcos is a bit zippier than a Hillborne.
>
> From reaching out to people who've ridden both the San Marcos and the AHH,
> it seems the San Marcos is a bit zippier than the AHH. Maybe it could be a
> nice middle ground between the AHH and Rodeo? Also a bit cheaper. Not as
> nice paint, but Riv geo and lugs.
>
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 10:38:33 PM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
>> I've been thinking of getting a Rivendell bicycle for a long time.  I
>> first joined this group to lurk back in 2010 and have been a member and
>> sometimes lurker since then.  But, I had not made the commitment and
>> purchased a Riv.  The closest I came was getting a Velo-Orange Rando.  That
>> was sort of rivish.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157624827193423
>>
>> Being in the suburbs of Chicago near O'Hare airport limited my comfort
>> using it the way it should have been.  That bike was sold before I left
>> Chicago to live full-time in an RV.  Once we decided to settle in
>> Anacortes, WA (still in the RV), I purchased a Specialized AWOL Comp,
>> definitely not rivish.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157644371355428
>>
>> It's a nice bike, but I now want something more rivish, this time, the
>> real thing.  I'm thinking of getting either the Roadeo or the A Homer
>> Hilsen.  I like the idea of the liveliness and sportiness of the Roadeo,
>> but like the bit of extra versatility of the AHH also.  With my weight at
>> 200+ (PBH 33" or 83.8cm, age 51), I'm leaning towards the AHH instead of
>> the Roadeo.  I can start more roadish with the AHH and, as I build my
>> abilities further, expand the bike to fit new and/or different tasks
>> without having to change frames.
>>
>> So, I'm fairly settled on getting my first Riv, one of the two
>> mentioned.  My pondering now is mostly on how to appoint it.  My Rando was
>> more modern with the 105 setup.  The AWOL was definitely modern with discs
>> and SRAM setup.  But, I'm not tied to that.  Though I haven't used it much,
>> I like the looks of a quill stem, drop bars, and downtube shifters.  It
>> looks clean and simple.  I'm just not sure what it's like to live with.  I
>> expect that, like many things, it is a matter of adapting to it.  But,
>> using DT shifters or bar ends does set a direction as neither would work
>> with an 11-speed I could have instead.  I'm trying to consider the pros and
>> cons of each.
>>
>> With my AWOL, I leave it locked to the cabana just outside my RV.  Some
>> RVs have sufficient inside storage for a bike.  Mine doesn't.
>>
>> My questions to the group are these:  As I am not yet doing longer
>> distances, are there still benefits to the more traditional setups?  If I
>> pick either one, what might I later miss the other may have provided?  Are
>> there likely to be any weather related or other wear issues leaving a Riv
>> locked to the RV park cabana like I do my AWOL?  I'm doubtful of that, but
>> don't want to mistreat it either.  Any thing else I should consider?
>>
>> Thanks for any advice you have.
>>
>> Tim
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Gavin]

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:47 PM, Tim Butterfield 
 wrote:

> Tim,
> Lots of great info.  Thanks.  If I go with bar ends, I was thinking of
> running the cable along the bar, existing the tape vertically through a
> notch in the inside of the brake hoods.  That may keep the cable loop from
> going too far forward and interfering with a bag I may mount in the front
> later.  This might avoid the friction of following the bar further along
> while still keeping the cable tucked in a bit.
>
> > I changed the right bar-end out for a 10-speed indexed Shimano BS79
> shifter
>
> I took a look at that shifter and one thing let to another until I was
> looking at the Shimano SL-BSR1.  I hadn’t thought I could get an 11-speed
> group with bar ends.  That’s tempting, though I would be giving up the
> friction option.  Like you say, it’s only a twist of the adjustment barrel
> every so often to tweak it.  But, then again, after reading the comments
> after yours, I wonder whether I would be better off with the standard 3x9
> from Riv.  I do like the gearing on that.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>
>
Tim-

Cable routing:
Your routing plan sounds OK.  But I didn't mean to suggest that there is
noticeable friction when the cables are routed all the way to the stem.
Theoretically?  Yes.  In observation?  No, not if you use care to keep the
bends as gradual as possible.

I routed my shift cables along the bars to the stem, where the loops cross
over to the opposite side of the downtube, and then cross over again
between the downtube cable stops and the bottom bracket cable guide.  This
makes the loops from the bars to the downtube more gradual, and it keeps
the cable housing from rubbing on the head tube.  aka Sheldon Brown
"criss-cross" 


Drivetrain:
3 x 8 or 9 is excellent.  You can use a medium-range cassette (11-28 or 30)
with a Riv/touring triple and still get good gear spacing but a wide gear
range.  Also, 8 or 9 speed gear is more durable (wider chain spacing) and
cheaper.

2 x 10 or 11 is also excellent.  But you have to use a wider-range cassette
to get the same gear range as a triple, and the gear spacing will be wider.

If I'm dead set on using brifters, I prefer a double crank.  If I'm dead
set on a triple crank, I prefer bar-end shifters.
In my experience, brifter triple shifting is picky.  It works best with the
standard Shimano road triple (50/39/30) and doesn't like to work well with
other ring combinations (especially rings without ramps & pins).
Whereas, shifting a triple with a Silver bar-end is super easy.  And
shifting a double with brifters seems to work pretty well.

I use a Silver left shifter and indexed Shimano right shifter on both of my
bikes with triple cranks.  I use brifters on both of my bikes with double
cranks.


On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Tim Butterfield 
wrote:

> For some of the other components I'm narrowing down choices on...
>
> Bars - Nitto Randonneur - I want a drop bar and like the flare out of the
> drop on these.  Earlier, Tim removed my worry about possibly using brifters
> on it.  I had the FSA Wing Pro on my VO Rando and it was nice.  I think the
> Randonneur flare may be a little better for me, though that's just a guess
> right now.
>
> Wheels - Since I am not likely to need much lighting, battery power should
> be sufficient for lighting instead of getting a dyno.  If I ever do any
> touring later, I can get a dyno hub for the second wheel set.  I like the
> idea of Phil hubs, but am leaning towards the standard Riv wheels.  I don't
> know enough about Phils to know if extra cost difference would be worth it
> for my application.
>
>
>
>
Wheels:
Riv/Rich recommend mid-range Shimano hubs, which are quite good.  They're
less expensive than boutique hubs, and any shop (or you) can service them
easily.
Pauls are nice (I have a set of 90s vintage freewheel Pauls), but I'm not
convinced that they're worth the huge premium.
I bought a Velo Orange Grand Cru Touring hub for my latest wheel build;
it's about the same price as Ultegra hubs but it has cartridge bearings and
is field-serviceable without tools.

Bars:
I love the Nitto Randonneur bars, but be warned that they come in a couple
variants, the B132 and B135.  I use the B135 because they have shorter
reach (tops).  This works better with brifters and/or TRP RRL brake levers,
which have somewhat long ramps (I use B135s with TRP RRL levers on my two
triple-crank-equipped bikes).  I feel that the B132's longer reach would
put the brake levers too far away for comfort; that bar would work better
with vintage brake levers with shorter ramps.

However, the B132 only comes in one width, 42 at the tops / 45 cm at the
bottom.  It's a bit narrow for me (I'm 6'1") but I really like the feel.
The B135 comes in two widths, 42 or 44 at the tops.
The Noodle, in comparison, comes in a ton of widths.


B135 45cm



B132 44cm



Just for fun, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Zach,
I agree.  The responses on this thread have been wonderful, including your
response.

I may be a bit further along than at the beginning.  After all, I've been
thinking of a Riv for many years.  I think I have the bike choice narrowed
to just the AHH, mostly thanks to the comments on this thread.  I would be
comfortable placing the order for an AHH now to get it started, though I'm
not in a rush to do so.  Though possible, it's not likely to change from
this.  The only remaining issue on starting the AHH order is whether to get
standard blue or go for a custom color.  The standard blue is a safer
choice.  A custom color would make it unique, but may hinder sale later if
I ever did want to sell, though I cannot now envision ever wanting that.

Even after placing the order, I will still have a bit of time, maybe a
couple of months, to finalize component selection.  Your mention of the 9sp
or less is what triggered the re-think in my response to Tim.  Maybe the
standard Riv 3x9 is sufficient or even to be preferred.  I know it would be
sufficient.  I'm not sure about the preferred part yet.

For some of the other components I'm narrowing down choices on...

Bars - Nitto Randonneur - I want a drop bar and like the flare out of the
drop on these.  Earlier, Tim removed my worry about possibly using brifters
on it.  I had the FSA Wing Pro on my VO Rando and it was nice.  I think the
Randonneur flare may be a little better for me, though that's just a guess
right now.

Wheels - Since I am not likely to need much lighting, battery power should
be sufficient for lighting instead of getting a dyno.  If I ever do any
touring later, I can get a dyno hub for the second wheel set.  I like the
idea of Phil hubs, but am leaning towards the standard Riv wheels.  I don't
know enough about Phils to know if extra cost difference would be worth it
for my application.

Thanks.

Tim


On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Zach Kahl  wrote:

> What a great thread. I would say the worst thing about buying a Rivendell
> is that every option is a win. That said, people who ride Riv (in my
> opinion) know exactly what type of riding they are wanting to do and then
> pick out which bike is best for that. Most all of them are going to attach
> some weight to the bike(s), which makes the Roadeo kind of a niche bike
> once you already have a Riv that will allow you to go on a tour. Since you
> said you want to have only one bike, I would take a strong look at the AHH
> or an Appaloosa.
>
> I am on a 62 Hunq and I am 6'6" with a bad back. I still built it with DT
> shifters and that is a decision I made and have not looked back on for a
> second. The brainlessness that happens once I got used to the reach make
> being on the bike very natural for me and allowed be to acquire the feeling
> that makes a Rivendell so dreamy once it is dialed in (I have more trouble
> finding the right bottle cage than I do finding my shifters).
>
> I have heard everyone hear say supporting things about both of the bikes
> you started out talking on; with some additions on your first 2 choices. I
> would recommend cancelling the Roadeo and look at the other options. I
> would not go 11sp because I think that these bikes work great as 9sp or
> less (with a triple front ring you can run the whole gamut with the proper
> cassette).
>
> I would say that you are only at the beginning stage of making your
> decision and once you know all of the choices front and back you will make
> your choice of what you want and will ride. This will make the first day of
> ownership be just as special as every day you ride the bike. I would be
> surprised if you bought another bike ever again, and if you did I am
> certain it would be another Rivendell.
>
> Buy something that has tire clearance, buy something that can accept a
> rack. Enjoy yourself and have no regrets!!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

John,
I would ride roads more than trails.  Currently, my riding is all paved
except for a few hundreds yards.  Half of that is grass, the other half
gravel.  There are some trails I would like to ride, but I would be riding
pavement to get to them.  For handlebar position, I think I want a drop
bar, though I want the drops below the saddle with the tops above the
saddle.  Of course, that may change as I gain experience on it and tweak
things more.  For tires, I'm leaning toward the Jack Brown Blues or maybe
some Gravel King (slicks).

Thanks.

Tim

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> Tim,
>
> I'd +1 Drew's suggestion of a Hilson or Hillborne or, possibly an
> Appaloosa.  Since you are only going to have one, those three seem to be
> more all-arounder than the Rodeo (although I've always coveted the Rodeo).
> The way I view them, the Hilson and Hillborne are the all-arounders if you
> ride roads more than trails and the Appaloosa if you ride more trails than
> roads.  The Hillborne can handle a wider tire than the Hilson although the
> Hilson is IMHO one of Riv's most beautiful bikes.  I only own 1 bike to
> avoid clutter in my garage/studio/shop.  Like you, I also tried to create
> Riv-ish bikes once with a Surly Cross Check followed by a Soma Groove.  I
> sold those off as well as my Bianchi road bike that could only take 23mm
> tires and bought a Sam.  I kick myself thinking of how much I would have
> ultimately saved had I just bought a Riv from the beginning.  I've owned an
> orange canti-Hillborne for about two years now and absolutely love it.
> Being over 50, having the handlebars above the saddle has been much more
> comfortable without sacrificing the feeling of speed and nimbleness.  I
> started with Albatross bars but quickly changed to Albastaches to get a
> more aggressive more position when I want it while still being able to ride
> more upright when needed.  I have been able to ride trails on Smart Sams
> and roads on Barlow Pass tires.  The one thing I did that eased the
> versatility was buy a second, lighter wheelset for the Compass tires.  This
> has made changing over from trail and commuter bike to light-ish road bike
> much quicker and easier than swapping tires.  I do have to adjust the
> barrel adjusters on the brakes to accommodate for the different rim
> widths.  The whole operation takes about 15 minutes.  If you are worried
> about the rain, you may want to consider the Brooks C-series seats rather
> than the leather ones.  That said, I've had good luck with the Randi Jo
> seat cover they sell at Riv (http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/s92.htm).
>
> I'm sure you'll be happy with whatever you choose.  I've never ridden a
> Riv I haven't adored.
> John
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 7:38:33 PM UTC-7, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>
>> I've been thinking of getting a Rivendell bicycle for a long time.  I
>> first joined this group to lurk back in 2010 and have been a member and
>> sometimes lurker since then.  But, I had not made the commitment and
>> purchased a Riv.  The closest I came was getting a Velo-Orange Rando.  That
>> was sort of rivish.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157624827193423
>>
>> Being in the suburbs of Chicago near O'Hare airport limited my comfort
>> using it the way it should have been.  That bike was sold before I left
>> Chicago to live full-time in an RV.  Once we decided to settle in
>> Anacortes, WA (still in the RV), I purchased a Specialized AWOL Comp,
>> definitely not rivish.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157644371355428
>>
>> It's a nice bike, but I now want something more rivish, this time, the
>> real thing.  I'm thinking of getting either the Roadeo or the A Homer
>> Hilsen.  I like the idea of the liveliness and sportiness of the Roadeo,
>> but like the bit of extra versatility of the AHH also.  With my weight at
>> 200+ (PBH 33" or 83.8cm, age 51), I'm leaning towards the AHH instead of
>> the Roadeo.  I can start more roadish with the AHH and, as I build my
>> abilities further, expand the bike to fit new and/or different tasks
>> without having to change frames.
>>
>> So, I'm fairly settled on getting my first Riv, one of the two
>> mentioned.  My pondering now is mostly on how to appoint it.  My Rando was
>> more modern with the 105 setup.  The AWOL was definitely modern with discs
>> and SRAM setup.  But, I'm not tied to that.  Though I haven't used it much,
>> I like the looks of a quill stem, drop bars, and downtube shifters.  It
>> looks clean and simple.  I'm just not sure what it's like to live with.  I
>> expect that, like many things, it is a matter of adapting to it.  But,
>> using DT shifters or bar ends does set a direction as neither would work
>> with an 11-speed I could have instead.  I'm trying to consider the pros and
>> cons of each.
>>
>> With my AWOL, I leave it locked to the cabana just outside my RV.  Some
>> RVs have sufficient 

Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

masmojo,
You echo some of my sentiments on this.  I don’t want something just for
today or even this year.  Part of that is the desire to be mentally
invested in my choices as I mentioned to Patrick instead of letting Grant
or someone else at Riv pick it for me, as wonderful as that result might
be.  Of course, all of this information I am receiving on the group is a
great help in helping me think through and narrow down my choices.  I want
something that I can ride for many years and that can handle the tweaks of
whatever I might want to do with in future.  A versatility that allows that
speaks to me.  I think that may be why I didn’t look too much at the
Atlantis.  I doubt I would ever do a long tour on it, but also view it as
not quite roady enough for what I want to do first.  Until I put down my
deposit, I can be convinced of something else, but it looks like the AHH
may be the best fit so far.

Thanks.

Tim

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 8:14 AM, masmojo  wrote:

> Out of the two you've presented the HH is the most versatile and would be
> my recommendation (especially considering you weight, in fact I think maybe
> even an Atlantis might be worth considering). A couple other things to
> consider,  first no matter which you choose the ability to turn around and
> sell it if it's not to your liking is probably unparalleled in any other
> bike. Secondly,  you might consider your age and where you will be with
> cycling in 5 or 10 years!? In other words think of it as a long term
> relationship and not solely about what you ride or how you ride now!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Patrick,
Hi.  It’s been a while since we chatted on the Minimal list.  I see you’re
still enjoying your Riv and have added another to the stable.  That’s
great.  I think it was a comment you had made quite a while back.  I came
across it while searching the group and it made me think of the versatility
of the AHH.  Comments by others have added to that view.  Thanks for that.

> And all the mind-spinning fretting I did would have been far easier if
I'd just spoken to Grant and Co. once and let them run with it and ridden
what they sent me.

I’ve thought of that also.  But, if I did that, would it really be mine or
still theirs?  I think I need to personalize it a bit and make it mine to
be more mentally invested in it.

Thanks for the the ideas.

Tim

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> "are there still benefits to the more traditional setups?"
> Absolutely. A Riv setup is brilliant, simple, and easily adjusted/fixed in
> field if needed. More importantly, they ride fantastically, and that
> matters for every distance. I haven't ridden the bikes you have, but the
> non-rive bikes I've ridden don't even compare to the "invisible" wonder of
> my Riv. bikes (Hunqapillar and Quickbeam). The ride, for me, is far more
> fun, no matter the distance.
>
> "If I pick either one, what might I later miss the other may have
> provided?"
> Grant's bikes have an inherently wide window of usability, which is
> utterly counter to the niche purposing of most modern bikes. That said, the
> Rodeo likely has the smallest window. I've heard it said the Quickbeam fits
> somewhere between the Rodeo and AHH. Presuming that is true, the window I
> ride the QB on ranges from smooth fast paved roads to remote and medium
> rough forest service roads/trails. I've taken it on more technical trails
> and it is definitely under biking, and fun in its own way as a "hone my
> skills" adventure. For myself, I'd choose the AHH.
>
> "Are there likely to be any weather related or other wear issues leaving a
> Riv locked to the RV park cabana like I do my AWOL?"
> I live in dry (as in not humid often) Colorado mountains. However, my
> Hunqapillar lives outside without cover on all bikepacking trips, a
> stunning number of which are half rain (enough that the tent fly is always
> wet). So far so good. Use frame saver, cover as you can, and enjoy!
>
> "I'm doubtful of that, but don't want to mistreat it either."
> It's a bike. Enjoy it. Use it. It will age wonderfully based on how you
> do. The only way to mistreat it is to not use it! Grin.
>
> "Any thing else I should consider?"
> Indubitably. Ultimately, however, the answer is to get the best match you
> can and ride and learn from there. The experience will teach you more than
> the mind-spinning fretting beforehand. And all the mind-spinning fretting I
> did would have been far easier if I'd just spoken to Grant and Co. once and
> let them run with it and ridden what they sent me. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 8:38:33 PM UTC-6, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>
>>
>> My questions to the group are these:  As I am not yet doing longer
>> distances, are there still benefits to the more traditional setups?  If I
>> pick either one, what might I later miss the other may have provided?  Are
>> there likely to be any weather related or other wear issues leaving a Riv
>> locked to the RV park cabana like I do my AWOL?  I'm doubtful of that, but
>> don't want to mistreat it either.  Any thing else I should consider?
>>
>> Thanks for any advice you have.
>>
>> Tim
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Brian,
Thanks for that info.  I think the possibility of maybe wanting a rack in
future may rule out the Roadeo.  I don't know that I'll want racks, but
it's certainly possible.  So, I think this narrows down my choice to the
AHH.  Yeah.  One more decision done.  :)

Thanks.

Tim

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:15 AM, Brian Campbell 
wrote:

> I have had an AHH for 5 years now. I love the bike. It has been built up
> in many configurations and handled all of them very well. Currently, it is
> set up for Commuting/Road/Rando riding. All in minus. repair kit it, weighs
> 24.9 pounds (lights/fenders/ pedals/ water bottle cages and Brooks b17
> included). With out the dyno hub/fenders and lights it would be pretty
> close to a Roadeo in total weight. My point being is that it is easier to
> make your AHH, Roadeo-like that it is to make your Roadeo, AHH-like.
>
> In addition, the AHH also for racks and carrying stuff where the Roadeo is
> not designed with those things in mind. Both are great bikes but he AHH
> give you more flexibility as your needs change.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

Shoji,
I did take a look at those, quite a bit actually.  I haven’t moved on the
Roadeo for a couple of reasons.  They show the PBH for that one goes up to
82, while my PBH is 83.8.  I also had not yet decided on a Roadeo over a
AHH.  The blue 55cm Sam would fit, but I excluded it also, at least for
now.  This is a dream bike for me.  I don’t really want to compromise on
it.  If I were willing to compromise, it wouldn’t have to be a Riv either.
I’ve been that route already.  When I can get the Roadeo or AHH dream bike,
I’m not sure I want to settle on the Sam without a really good reason for
doing that.  I don’t have sufficient reason yet.

For the rides I’m doing now, they are mostly tooling around on a paved
trail or around town just to get exercise.  I want to expand that and do
more of Fidalgo Island where I am, over into Skagit valley some, and maybe
over on some of the other islands.  But, I want something that is just a
bit more fun that I feel on the AWOL when I do it.

As for possible theft, it is possible, but probably not likely.  There are
some other long term RVers around me along with video recording.  If
someone where to want to steal it, they would have bring tools to cut it
loose  The AWOL is locked to the cabana post with a heavy cable that passes
through the frame through a couple of slits in the cover.  You can see that
in the picture I linked above.  For a Riv, I would upgrade the locking
cable to a nice U-Lock and chain with pitlocks for the wheels and seat.  My
Ortleib handlebar bag is detachable and is stored in the RV.

Thanks.

Tim

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Shoji Takahashi 
wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> Have you considered any of the "Ready to Ride" Rivs? In your size, there's
> currently:
> Sam Blue 55cm Demo (drop bars, bar-end shifters)
> Sam Blue 51cm Demo (drop bars, bar-end shifters)
> Roadeo Hot Blue 55cm Demo (drop bars, brifters)
> Protoveloosa 54.7cm (Bosco bullmoose, thumbies)
> (maybe others).
>
> Maybe I missed it-- what sorts of rides are you doing now? Would like to
> do in the near future? Are you set on drop bars or have you considered more
> upright setups?
>
> Setups-- my Hunqapillar has bar ends or thumbies (depending on hbar), and
> my AHH has down-tube shifters. Most of the time, bar ends or thumbies are
> much easier to use than down tubes. Hard to beat the look of down tubes,
> IMHO, tho.
>
> You can also consider thumbies or stem-mounted shifters (in addition to
> bar ends or brifters).
>
> Wear issues: as long as the bike is out of the rain when stored, I
> wouldn't worry too much. Are you concerned about theft?
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 10:38:33 PM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>
>> I've been thinking of getting a Rivendell bicycle for a long time.  I
>> first joined this group to lurk back in 2010 and have been a member and
>> sometimes lurker since then.  But, I had not made the commitment and
>> purchased a Riv.  The closest I came was getting a Velo-Orange Rando.  That
>> was sort of rivish.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157624827193423
>>
>> Being in the suburbs of Chicago near O'Hare airport limited my comfort
>> using it the way it should have been.  That bike was sold before I left
>> Chicago to live full-time in an RV.  Once we decided to settle in
>> Anacortes, WA (still in the RV), I purchased a Specialized AWOL Comp,
>> definitely not rivish.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157644371355428
>>
>> It's a nice bike, but I now want something more rivish, this time, the
>> real thing.  I'm thinking of getting either the Roadeo or the A Homer
>> Hilsen.  I like the idea of the liveliness and sportiness of the Roadeo,
>> but like the bit of extra versatility of the AHH also.  With my weight at
>> 200+ (PBH 33" or 83.8cm, age 51), I'm leaning towards the AHH instead of
>> the Roadeo.  I can start more roadish with the AHH and, as I build my
>> abilities further, expand the bike to fit new and/or different tasks
>> without having to change frames.
>>
>> So, I'm fairly settled on getting my first Riv, one of the two
>> mentioned.  My pondering now is mostly on how to appoint it.  My Rando was
>> more modern with the 105 setup.  The AWOL was definitely modern with discs
>> and SRAM setup.  But, I'm not tied to that.  Though I haven't used it much,
>> I like the looks of a quill stem, drop bars, and downtube shifters.  It
>> looks clean and simple.  I'm just not sure what it's like to live with.  I
>> expect that, like many things, it is a matter of adapting to it.  But,
>> using DT shifters or bar ends does set a direction as neither would work
>> with an 11-speed I could have instead.  I'm trying to consider the pros and
>> cons of each.
>>
>> With my AWOL, I leave it locked to the cabana just outside my RV.  Some
>> RVs have sufficient inside storage for a bike.  Mine doesn't.
>>
>> My questions to the group are these:  As I am not yet doing 

Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Belopsky  wrote:

> As to wear issues or weather, I wouldn't want to leave an AHH outside for
> long for many reasons...One of the reasons I sold my Hillborne was because
> I was commuting to work and it was too pretty to lock up, and bringing it
> in was annoying - theft isn't a huge problem here but still  the bike got a
> lot of notice..
>

For weather, though my AWOL is outside, it is under a cover, which is under
a cabana, which has a low wall that blocks most things from the bike.  The
open side of the cabana is towards the RV, which can block some wind from
that direction.  So, though it is outside, it is not overly exposed.
Here’s a pic of the AWOL stored this way.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/27242013406/in/album-72157644371355428/

If storing a Riv like this results in problems, I could always put a large
storage locker under the cabana to put the bike in.  Some RVers also have a
utility trailer on their site for storing things.  I'm not quite ready for
that yet, but it is an option if I need it.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv Custom mixte - (or any Riv mixte) anyone ride Moustaches or Noodles on theirs?

[olofstroh]

It´s always good to go to the well, in the Riv catalogue 2006 Grant writes:

 

“Our traditionally shaped drop bar for those who for some reason or other 
aren´t as head-over-heels in love with the Nitto Noodle Bars as we are.

It´s a traditional shape, with no super-flattish ramp (it´s 23 degrees, 
compared to the Noodle´s 15 degrees), no swept-back top section (the Noodle´s 
comes back 15 degrees) and a mere 1 degree flare-out at the drops (Noodle: 4 
degrees).

The reach and the drop are about the same as the Noodles – 91 mm and 140 mm 
respectively.”

 

Olof Stroh

Uppsala Sweden

 

-

 

Ryan Fleming wrote

no , it doesn't and I believe the drop is deeper. I have them on my road and 
have to admit I don't spend a lot of time down on the drops...mostly on the 
hoods...and thank you TRP for that or on the tops
On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 4:48:18 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:

So on the Dream bars, the top part near the stem does not bend back slightly, 
but the drops are about the same as the Noodles?

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On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:28 PM, olof...@gmail.com javascript:  wrote:

I´d just send a warning to believe that you like the Noodle bar if you like the 
Dream bar. They may look alike but behave very differently. I have now three 
Dreams and enjoy them very much. Tried a Noodle and had to sell it since it was 
murder to my wrists, the bend on the top destroyed everything. Your milage may 
be different, but try it out!

Olof Stroh

Uppsala Sweden

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/14724719@N08/9427617311/

I have my Betty set up with Dream bars which are very similar to Noodles. Works 
for me.

--Jamie

 

 

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv Custom mixte - (or any Riv mixte) anyone ride Moustaches or Noodles on theirs?

[Jim Bronson]

So on the Dream bars, the top part near the stem does not bend back
slightly, but the drops are about the same as the Noodles?

On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:28 PM, olofst...@gmail.com wrote:

 I´d just send a warning to believe that you like the Noodle bar if you
 like the Dream bar. They may look alike but behave very differently. I have
 now three Dreams and enjoy them very much. Tried a Noodle and had to sell
 it since it was murder to my wrists, the bend on the top destroyed
 everything. Your milage may be differnt, but try it out!



 Olof Stroh

 Uppsala Sweden







 https://www.flickr.com/photos/14724719@N08/9427617311/



 I have my Betty set up with Dream bars which are very similar to Noodles.
 Works for me.



 --Jamie



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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv Custom mixte - (or any Riv mixte) anyone ride Moustaches or Noodles on theirs?

[Ryan Fleming]

no , it doesn't and I believe the drop is deeper. I have them on my road 
and have to admit I don't spend a lot of time down on the drops...mostly on 
the hoods...and thank you TRP for that or on the tops
On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 4:48:18 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:

 So on the Dream bars, the top part near the stem does not bend back 
 slightly, but the drops are about the same as the Noodles?

 On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:28 PM, olof...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:

 I´d just send a warning to believe that you like the Noodle bar if you 
 like the Dream bar. They may look alike but behave very differently. I have 
 now three Dreams and enjoy them very much. Tried a Noodle and had to sell 
 it since it was murder to my wrists, the bend on the top destroyed 
 everything. Your milage may be differnt, but try it out!

  

 Olof Stroh

 Uppsala Sweden

  

  

  

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/14724719@N08/9427617311/

  

 I have my Betty set up with Dream bars which are very similar to Noodles. 
 Works for me.

  

 --Jamie

  

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RE: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv Custom mixte - (or any Riv mixte) anyone ride Moustaches or Noodles on theirs?

[olofstroh]

I´d just send a warning to believe that you like the Noodle bar if you like the 
Dream bar. They may look alike but behave very differently. I have now three 
Dreams and enjoy them very much. Tried a Noodle and had to sell it since it was 
murder to my wrists, the bend on the top destroyed everything. Your milage may 
be differnt, but try it out!

 

Olof Stroh

Uppsala Sweden

 

 

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/14724719@N08/9427617311/

 

I have my Betty set up with Dream bars which are very similar to Noodles. Works 
for me.

 

--Jamie



 

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