Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Paul G]

One thing, I think, that separates Riv road bikes from other brands is the 
maintaining of good fit AND handling geometry at the smaller frame sizes 
this thread is dealing with. The 700c wheel size has to be dealt with 
because they physically "get in the way" of good geometry more as the 
frames become smaller (because the wheels stay the same size).

Regarding the Roadeo specifically, this frame was designed with club 
riding, and even tight peloton riding, in mind so the maneuverability is 
the quickest of all the Riv road bikes. Moreover, sizes smaller than 59cm 
get thinner, superlight tubing (down to 4mm bellies) in the main triangle. 
This is assuming the current models still adhere to the original design. So 
it's lighter and perhaps more lively than the equivalent Roadini. Finally, 
it has more of the look of a classic road bike with its nearly level top 
tube.

So the Roadeo becomes more unique from the other models in the smaller 
sizes. 

I've been riding a Roadeo for 10 years now and love it.

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 6:02:56 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> [image: Screenshot 2024-04-25 at 6.00.23 PM.png]
> @Leah -- Your Platypii are 55's, no? Might be fun to compare the numbers. 
> ;)
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:45:35 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Wow, I show up late and there are ten thousand replies already which is 
>> too many to read through now 
>>
>> My initial thought is that going from the racing platy's very upright 
>> position all the way to a drop bar road bike is a huge jump. I have to say, 
>> drop bars are truly the best in headwinds, but getting a sweep bar setup 
>> that allows you to get low and stretch out reaching the forward 'hooks' can 
>> be a great compromise between those situations and lower-effort riding.  
>>
>> If it were me, I'd swap the Rasplaty's bar and stem to the longest of the 
>> new 90-190 stems and a Choco bar; I'd then set up the controls so that you 
>> can slide your hands all the way to the front curves without having stuff 
>> in the way (bar end shifters are great for this!) and wrap this area in 
>> Newbaums.  Then I'd slam the stem down as low as you can get away with - 
>> bars nearly at saddle level, probably. 
>>
>> I don't know if this exact thing has already been said, nor what reaction 
>> may already have been provided, so apologies if I'm being an echo!  Pocket 
>> Platy might actually be short enough you can run drop bars on it, but you'd 
>> need a very short stem to pull it off - the Nitto / Crust 'BJ' stem should 
>> do the trick; it's what I used to get my Bombadil set up with drops at an 
>> appropriate reach for me and has that classic Nitto finish and quality. 
>>
>>   
>>
>> On Thursday 25 April 2024 at 10:47:38 UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Bending those "BL" rules forced me to concede that the front derailleur 
>>> I chose for my 3x1 build was too crappy.  I kind of smugly used the 
>>> crappiest front derailleur in my bin, because friction shifted front 
>>> derailleurs are a dime a dozen.  The crappiest one (old Deer Head) proved 
>>> to be too crappy.  Thanks to this ride I tossed the bike in the stand and 
>>> put a much nicer FD on there, and now my 3x1 Rom (code name "RoadTrio") 
>>> satisfies another VERY important category.  That category is "every bike 
>>> should have one Campy part".  Now with a Mirage Triple FD, RoadTrio is in 
>>> the club.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:52:35 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It’s an honor to have the Bill Lindsay Rules bent for our delight here. 
 We await. Bated breath, and all that jazz!

 On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:51 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

 "Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! "


 I need to grab a bike right now to head over to the dentist.  I'm going 
 to break my own self-imposed rule and ride my Romulus on its first ride. 
  Pics will prove it.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA


 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:02:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:46 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> I think that falls into Joe Bernard's recommendation of taking a 
> flyer on a used Rivendell at decent price.  Love it if you can and sell 
> it 
> if you find you can't love it.  Go for it if you can stand over it. 
>
>
> I bought a used 59cm Romulus this year, and built it but haven't 
> ridden it, because of my weird self-imposed mileage quota system.  But I 
> will be Rom-riding this summer!
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Jason Fuller]

Wow, I show up late and there are ten thousand replies already which is too 
many to read through now 

My initial thought is that going from the racing platy's very upright 
position all the way to a drop bar road bike is a huge jump. I have to say, 
drop bars are truly the best in headwinds, but getting a sweep bar setup 
that allows you to get low and stretch out reaching the forward 'hooks' can 
be a great compromise between those situations and lower-effort riding.  

If it were me, I'd swap the Rasplaty's bar and stem to the longest of the 
new 90-190 stems and a Choco bar; I'd then set up the controls so that you 
can slide your hands all the way to the front curves without having stuff 
in the way (bar end shifters are great for this!) and wrap this area in 
Newbaums.  Then I'd slam the stem down as low as you can get away with - 
bars nearly at saddle level, probably. 

I don't know if this exact thing has already been said, nor what reaction 
may already have been provided, so apologies if I'm being an echo!  Pocket 
Platy might actually be short enough you can run drop bars on it, but you'd 
need a very short stem to pull it off - the Nitto / Crust 'BJ' stem should 
do the trick; it's what I used to get my Bombadil set up with drops at an 
appropriate reach for me and has that classic Nitto finish and quality. 

  

On Thursday 25 April 2024 at 10:47:38 UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Bending those "BL" rules forced me to concede that the front derailleur I 
> chose for my 3x1 build was too crappy.  I kind of smugly used the crappiest 
> front derailleur in my bin, because friction shifted front derailleurs are 
> a dime a dozen.  The crappiest one (old Deer Head) proved to be too crappy. 
>  Thanks to this ride I tossed the bike in the stand and put a much nicer FD 
> on there, and now my 3x1 Rom (code name "RoadTrio") satisfies another VERY 
> important category.  That category is "every bike should have one Campy 
> part".  Now with a Mirage Triple FD, RoadTrio is in the club.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:52:35 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> It’s an honor to have the Bill Lindsay Rules bent for our delight here. 
>> We await. Bated breath, and all that jazz!
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:51 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> "Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! "
>>
>>
>> I need to grab a bike right now to head over to the dentist.  I'm going 
>> to break my own self-imposed rule and ride my Romulus on its first ride. 
>>  Pics will prove it.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:02:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:46 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
>>> I think that falls into Joe Bernard's recommendation of taking a flyer 
>>> on a used Rivendell at decent price.  Love it if you can and sell it if you 
>>> find you can't love it.  Go for it if you can stand over it. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I bought a used 59cm Romulus this year, and built it but haven't ridden 
>>> it, because of my weird self-imposed mileage quota system.  But I will be 
>>> Rom-riding this summer!
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?

 On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

 

 Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
 Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
 versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
 Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
 converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
 reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
 this way as well.

 Jim
 Austin, TX burbs

 On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
> ideal. 
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
> what 
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
> before. 
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
> take a toll on me 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

Bending those "BL" rules forced me to concede that the front derailleur I 
chose for my 3x1 build was too crappy.  I kind of smugly used the crappiest 
front derailleur in my bin, because friction shifted front derailleurs are 
a dime a dozen.  The crappiest one (old Deer Head) proved to be too crappy. 
 Thanks to this ride I tossed the bike in the stand and put a much nicer FD 
on there, and now my 3x1 Rom (code name "RoadTrio") satisfies another VERY 
important category.  That category is "every bike should have one Campy 
part".  Now with a Mirage Triple FD, RoadTrio is in the club.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:52:35 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> It’s an honor to have the Bill Lindsay Rules bent for our delight here. We 
> await. Bated breath, and all that jazz!
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:51 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> "Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! "
>
>
> I need to grab a bike right now to head over to the dentist.  I'm going to 
> break my own self-imposed rule and ride my Romulus on its first ride.  Pics 
> will prove it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:02:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:46 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> I think that falls into Joe Bernard's recommendation of taking a flyer 
>> on a used Rivendell at decent price.  Love it if you can and sell it if you 
>> find you can't love it.  Go for it if you can stand over it. 
>>
>>
>> I bought a used 59cm Romulus this year, and built it but haven't ridden 
>> it, because of my weird self-imposed mileage quota system.  But I will be 
>> Rom-riding this summer!
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
>>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
>>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
>>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
>>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
>>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
>>> this way as well.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> Austin, TX burbs
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
 roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
 Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
 going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
 but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
 ideal. 

 Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
 Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
 size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
 I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.

 Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
 take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
 stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
 of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate 
 was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
 it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m 
 the youngest and probably the most fit. 

 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Gordon Stam]

That might have been me.Was it green, the Romulus? This was a route that 
began and ended in Pagosa Springs. And agreed, it is a good road bike, and 
I still have mine. I do recall, however, that I had a work a little harder 
keeping up on fast road rides on the Romulus that I did on my Gunnar 
Roadie. But I sold the Gunnar and kept the Romulus. Besides being better 
looking and just cooler it had more tire clearance and was better on dirt 
roads. 

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 1:04:58 PM UTC-6 Jim Bronson wrote:

> A Romulus sounds fantastic if it fits you and you like the way it rides.  
>
> I came across someone riding a Romulus on Bike Tour of Colorado a while 
> back when I rode the event.  That was a 450ish mile event over 7 days with 
> umpteen tens of thousands of feet of climbing and many passes over 10,000 
> feet with fast downhills.  Even back then in the mid-late 00s us Riv riders 
> stood out from the sea of crabon fibre.  I think there were 5 of us on 
> Rivs, IIRC.
>
> Jim
> Austin, TX 
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 2:32 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
>> this way as well.
>>
>> Jim
>> Austin, TX burbs
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>> ideal. 
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate 
>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m 
>>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>>
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Mathias Steiner]

The thread title is "roadbike curious" not drop-bar curious.

I ride a Bruce Gordon Taiwan BLT with a drop bar. It's like an original Sam 
Hillborne -- basically the same geometry, and a frame that weighs 2700 
grams by itself. It's stiff to carry a load on rough roads. I've ridden it 
with road wheels and 30 mm tires and it's fast and efficient that way, but 
it's not a road bike. At least the geometry is made to work with drop or 
flat bars.

The Platypus frame is made for swept-back bars, and the stem will need to 
be comically short to get a reasonable riding position.

I'm repeating this this photo from the between-sizes thread -- it shows the 
difference between drop and swept-back bars on the same bicycle.
When you think that the top tube length changes maybe a couple cm between 
frame sizes and here the hands move forward > 10 cm to go from Northroads 
bars to drop, it's a big deal.

cheers -mathias

[image: dropvnroads.jpg]

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 8:36:15 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Yeah thats a big haul too. New wheels, cockpit, brake setup, gearing 
> (potentially). New road focused bike is 100% the way to go. :)
>
> PS: I would feel the same way about getting a bike that would then need a 
> cockpit overhaul automatically like that. A good deal gets to be less of 
> one when you have to throw down a bunch cash on top of it to get it the way 
> you want
>
> PPS: This has inspired me to get a road frame to replace the Roadini that 
> I was unable to build up last year. Not a Rivendell but Riv adjacent.
>
> PPPS: When you keep adding postscripts should you be adding extra P's the 
> way I did it or you you at extra S's? It seems like Post, Post, makes more 
> sense than Script, Script.if that is indeed what the S stands for. Its 
> been years since I have been in school or actually wrote a real life letter.
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 1:17:29 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Putting myself in Leah's place to answer your question, if I had her 
>> plethora of Platys I would choose a new/different bike for drop bars 
>> because it would be more interesting. Popping drops on one of my Platys 
>> with wide tires and a dynohub ain't gonna do the roadie thing for me. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:39:13 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> --What if I flip the question on its head and say could I do club riding 
>>> with my Cheviot, and what would I gain from getting a road bike?
>>>
>>> I've not ridden a Platypus, but I would assume that it would be similar 
>>> to a Cheviot.
>>>
>>> If I stripped down my Cheviot, then I am confident that I would be 
>>> perfectly fine on club rides.  I have Albastache bars, and basically use 2 
>>> positions.  My brake levers are on the curves up front and it is probably 
>>> similar to my drop bars.  I have an upright position at the end of the bar 
>>> where the bar end shifters are.  I think rides up to a century or 200k 
>>> would be fine.  I think I might prefer a drop bar for longer rides because 
>>> I have more hand positions that I use (I'm sure there are more usable 
>>> positions on the Albastache, but I don't use them...).
>>>
>>> For my drop bars, I found this site to describe various hand positions: 
>>> https://www.roadbikerider.com/dropped-bar-hand-positions/
>>>
>>> I probably use position 3 (curves of the flat front bar) for 45% of my 
>>> riding.  30% in position 7 in the drops and the other 20% in position 9 
>>> (end of drops) and 10% on the flats or in the hoods (2,5).
>>>
>>> I actually don't use the hoods too much because I set up my drop bars so 
>>> that I am most comfortable in the drops and a bit stretched out when my 
>>> hands are in the hoods.
>>> --I would definitely recommend TRP levers if you want to brake from the 
>>> drops because they are angled out to make it easy to grab when you are 
>>> braking from the drops.
>>>
>>> Aside from more hand positions with a drop bar, there would be more 
>>> responsive steering from the handlebar.  I think that if I had a bmx setup 
>>> without brake or derailleur cables, then I would be able to spin my front 
>>> wheel 360 degrees without falling on my Cheviot.  
>>>
>>> If I tried to spin my Roadeo front wheel 360 degrees, then I'm pretty 
>>> sure I'd fall flat on my face as I angled the front wheel too far to the 
>>> left or right.
>>>
>>> My Roadeo has the best handling via steering input.  This responsiveness 
>>> to steering gives me better descending capabilities when going down curvy 
>>> roads.  I wouldn't otherwise need the responsive steering if I didn't 
>>> descend hilly/mountainous roads, and would be perfectly fine going slightly 
>>> slower on my Cheviot.
>>>
>>> If I had a racing Platy/Cheviot: 1. Albastache bars to have the hand 
>>> position with the brakes up front to tuck down in the wind. 2. Supple 
>>> sidewall tires.  Yes there is a greater risk of sidewall damage, but if I 
>>> store my bike indoors (I do) and do periodic 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Johnny Alien]

Yeah thats a big haul too. New wheels, cockpit, brake setup, gearing 
(potentially). New road focused bike is 100% the way to go. :)

PS: I would feel the same way about getting a bike that would then need a 
cockpit overhaul automatically like that. A good deal gets to be less of 
one when you have to throw down a bunch cash on top of it to get it the way 
you want

PPS: This has inspired me to get a road frame to replace the Roadini that I 
was unable to build up last year. Not a Rivendell but Riv adjacent.

PPPS: When you keep adding postscripts should you be adding extra P's the 
way I did it or you you at extra S's? It seems like Post, Post, makes more 
sense than Script, Script.if that is indeed what the S stands for. Its 
been years since I have been in school or actually wrote a real life letter.

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 1:17:29 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Putting myself in Leah's place to answer your question, if I had her 
> plethora of Platys I would choose a new/different bike for drop bars 
> because it would be more interesting. Popping drops on one of my Platys 
> with wide tires and a dynohub ain't gonna do the roadie thing for me. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:39:13 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> --What if I flip the question on its head and say could I do club riding 
>> with my Cheviot, and what would I gain from getting a road bike?
>>
>> I've not ridden a Platypus, but I would assume that it would be similar 
>> to a Cheviot.
>>
>> If I stripped down my Cheviot, then I am confident that I would be 
>> perfectly fine on club rides.  I have Albastache bars, and basically use 2 
>> positions.  My brake levers are on the curves up front and it is probably 
>> similar to my drop bars.  I have an upright position at the end of the bar 
>> where the bar end shifters are.  I think rides up to a century or 200k 
>> would be fine.  I think I might prefer a drop bar for longer rides because 
>> I have more hand positions that I use (I'm sure there are more usable 
>> positions on the Albastache, but I don't use them...).
>>
>> For my drop bars, I found this site to describe various hand positions: 
>> https://www.roadbikerider.com/dropped-bar-hand-positions/
>>
>> I probably use position 3 (curves of the flat front bar) for 45% of my 
>> riding.  30% in position 7 in the drops and the other 20% in position 9 
>> (end of drops) and 10% on the flats or in the hoods (2,5).
>>
>> I actually don't use the hoods too much because I set up my drop bars so 
>> that I am most comfortable in the drops and a bit stretched out when my 
>> hands are in the hoods.
>> --I would definitely recommend TRP levers if you want to brake from the 
>> drops because they are angled out to make it easy to grab when you are 
>> braking from the drops.
>>
>> Aside from more hand positions with a drop bar, there would be more 
>> responsive steering from the handlebar.  I think that if I had a bmx setup 
>> without brake or derailleur cables, then I would be able to spin my front 
>> wheel 360 degrees without falling on my Cheviot.  
>>
>> If I tried to spin my Roadeo front wheel 360 degrees, then I'm pretty 
>> sure I'd fall flat on my face as I angled the front wheel too far to the 
>> left or right.
>>
>> My Roadeo has the best handling via steering input.  This responsiveness 
>> to steering gives me better descending capabilities when going down curvy 
>> roads.  I wouldn't otherwise need the responsive steering if I didn't 
>> descend hilly/mountainous roads, and would be perfectly fine going slightly 
>> slower on my Cheviot.
>>
>> If I had a racing Platy/Cheviot: 1. Albastache bars to have the hand 
>> position with the brakes up front to tuck down in the wind. 2. Supple 
>> sidewall tires.  Yes there is a greater risk of sidewall damage, but if I 
>> store my bike indoors (I do) and do periodic inspection of my tires (I need 
>> to do this before big rides for sure), then I am comfortable with the risk 
>> benefit tradeoff. The improvement in ride quality and speed was tremendous 
>> for me. 38-42 mm is ideal for me (Hetre EL or Babyshoe pass EL or parimoto 
>> 38 mm are tires I have used and are wonderful).  I think Jan 
>> Heine/Compass/Rene Herse's research showed that 42 mm supple tires are no 
>> less efficient and can be more efficient than 28 mm road tires.
>>
>> I wouldn't worry about the weight of the bike unless I was just hanging 
>> on by a thread and needed to lose a pound or two to keep a margin of 
>> comfort, or unless I were actually racing (I don't) and seconds might 
>> really count. Besides, I know there is a certain amount of satisfaction 
>> when a racing Platy keeps up with the carbon fiber pack!
>>
>> Toshi in Oakland, CA
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Garth]

I'm doubling tripling down on the drop bar racing Platy. I've lost count 
how many Platy's Leahs has, 2,3.4 ? IDK. I think the World won't stop 
rotating to spare a drop bar Platy to try, at least initally, especially 
since Leah has never even ridden any drop bars. Nor has she ridden a "real 
road bike". So to buy one without even knowing if that's what's wanted 
isn't the wisest thing to do, from my perspective. I see a certain 
categorical ignorance/limiting going on here, which is ironic given the Riv 
pitch of frame versatility. 

For example, I hadn't ridden my Bombadil in about a year as it had 
Albatross bars on it set a few inches above saddle height. That no longer 
works for me at all. So rather than let it just sit, or sell it, I decided 
to try some drop bars on it with a very negative rise stem. I have some 
rollers to ride indoors so I've been doing that as I dial in the 
positioning. One thing for sure, it is very different experience being 
stretch out and low rather than sitting up more and back. The weight 
distribution and handling is very different, not to mention the different 
muscle groups involved in such postions.  It's very much a "real road bike" 
experience as I define that more by position than frame specs alone. I 
disregard any so-called "limits/intentions" of given frame design. It is 
what it is, a frame. Ride/adorn it any way that works for you given what'll 
fit on it. Picture all those 80's mtb's being used as drop bar commuters. 
Oh the humanity ! 

The bottom line is to not make this more difficult than it has to be to 
familiarize herself with the different positioning and muscle usage of a 
lower-forward drop bar experience. 

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 1:17:29 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Putting myself in Leah's place to answer your question, if I had her 
> plethora of Platys I would choose a new/different bike for drop bars 
> because it would be more interesting. Popping drops on one of my Platys 
> with wide tires and a dynohub ain't gonna do the roadie thing for me. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:39:13 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:
>
>> --What if I flip the question on its head and say could I do club riding 
>> with my Cheviot, and what would I gain from getting a road bike?
>>
>> I've not ridden a Platypus, but I would assume that it would be similar 
>> to a Cheviot.
>>
>> If I stripped down my Cheviot, then I am confident that I would be 
>> perfectly fine on club rides.  I have Albastache bars, and basically use 2 
>> positions.  My brake levers are on the curves up front and it is probably 
>> similar to my drop bars.  I have an upright position at the end of the bar 
>> where the bar end shifters are.  I think rides up to a century or 200k 
>> would be fine.  I think I might prefer a drop bar for longer rides because 
>> I have more hand positions that I use (I'm sure there are more usable 
>> positions on the Albastache, but I don't use them...).
>>
>> For my drop bars, I found this site to describe various hand positions: 
>> https://www.roadbikerider.com/dropped-bar-hand-positions/
>>
>> I probably use position 3 (curves of the flat front bar) for 45% of my 
>> riding.  30% in position 7 in the drops and the other 20% in position 9 
>> (end of drops) and 10% on the flats or in the hoods (2,5).
>>
>> I actually don't use the hoods too much because I set up my drop bars so 
>> that I am most comfortable in the drops and a bit stretched out when my 
>> hands are in the hoods.
>> --I would definitely recommend TRP levers if you want to brake from the 
>> drops because they are angled out to make it easy to grab when you are 
>> braking from the drops.
>>
>> Aside from more hand positions with a drop bar, there would be more 
>> responsive steering from the handlebar.  I think that if I had a bmx setup 
>> without brake or derailleur cables, then I would be able to spin my front 
>> wheel 360 degrees without falling on my Cheviot.  
>>
>> If I tried to spin my Roadeo front wheel 360 degrees, then I'm pretty 
>> sure I'd fall flat on my face as I angled the front wheel too far to the 
>> left or right.
>>
>> My Roadeo has the best handling via steering input.  This responsiveness 
>> to steering gives me better descending capabilities when going down curvy 
>> roads.  I wouldn't otherwise need the responsive steering if I didn't 
>> descend hilly/mountainous roads, and would be perfectly fine going slightly 
>> slower on my Cheviot.
>>
>> If I had a racing Platy/Cheviot: 1. Albastache bars to have the hand 
>> position with the brakes up front to tuck down in the wind. 2. Supple 
>> sidewall tires.  Yes there is a greater risk of sidewall damage, but if I 
>> store my bike indoors (I do) and do periodic inspection of my tires (I need 
>> to do this before big rides for sure), then I am comfortable with the risk 
>> benefit tradeoff. The improvement in ride quality and speed was tremendous 
>> for me. 38-42 mm is ideal for me 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Joe Bernard]

Putting myself in Leah's place to answer your question, if I had her 
plethora of Platys I would choose a new/different bike for drop bars 
because it would be more interesting. Popping drops on one of my Platys 
with wide tires and a dynohub ain't gonna do the roadie thing for me. 

Joe Bernard 

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 6:39:13 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> --What if I flip the question on its head and say could I do club riding 
> with my Cheviot, and what would I gain from getting a road bike?
>
> I've not ridden a Platypus, but I would assume that it would be similar to 
> a Cheviot.
>
> If I stripped down my Cheviot, then I am confident that I would be 
> perfectly fine on club rides.  I have Albastache bars, and basically use 2 
> positions.  My brake levers are on the curves up front and it is probably 
> similar to my drop bars.  I have an upright position at the end of the bar 
> where the bar end shifters are.  I think rides up to a century or 200k 
> would be fine.  I think I might prefer a drop bar for longer rides because 
> I have more hand positions that I use (I'm sure there are more usable 
> positions on the Albastache, but I don't use them...).
>
> For my drop bars, I found this site to describe various hand positions: 
> https://www.roadbikerider.com/dropped-bar-hand-positions/
>
> I probably use position 3 (curves of the flat front bar) for 45% of my 
> riding.  30% in position 7 in the drops and the other 20% in position 9 
> (end of drops) and 10% on the flats or in the hoods (2,5).
>
> I actually don't use the hoods too much because I set up my drop bars so 
> that I am most comfortable in the drops and a bit stretched out when my 
> hands are in the hoods.
> --I would definitely recommend TRP levers if you want to brake from the 
> drops because they are angled out to make it easy to grab when you are 
> braking from the drops.
>
> Aside from more hand positions with a drop bar, there would be more 
> responsive steering from the handlebar.  I think that if I had a bmx setup 
> without brake or derailleur cables, then I would be able to spin my front 
> wheel 360 degrees without falling on my Cheviot.  
>
> If I tried to spin my Roadeo front wheel 360 degrees, then I'm pretty sure 
> I'd fall flat on my face as I angled the front wheel too far to the left or 
> right.
>
> My Roadeo has the best handling via steering input.  This responsiveness 
> to steering gives me better descending capabilities when going down curvy 
> roads.  I wouldn't otherwise need the responsive steering if I didn't 
> descend hilly/mountainous roads, and would be perfectly fine going slightly 
> slower on my Cheviot.
>
> If I had a racing Platy/Cheviot: 1. Albastache bars to have the hand 
> position with the brakes up front to tuck down in the wind. 2. Supple 
> sidewall tires.  Yes there is a greater risk of sidewall damage, but if I 
> store my bike indoors (I do) and do periodic inspection of my tires (I need 
> to do this before big rides for sure), then I am comfortable with the risk 
> benefit tradeoff. The improvement in ride quality and speed was tremendous 
> for me. 38-42 mm is ideal for me (Hetre EL or Babyshoe pass EL or parimoto 
> 38 mm are tires I have used and are wonderful).  I think Jan 
> Heine/Compass/Rene Herse's research showed that 42 mm supple tires are no 
> less efficient and can be more efficient than 28 mm road tires.
>
> I wouldn't worry about the weight of the bike unless I was just hanging on 
> by a thread and needed to lose a pound or two to keep a margin of comfort, 
> or unless I were actually racing (I don't) and seconds might really count. 
> Besides, I know there is a certain amount of satisfaction when a racing 
> Platy keeps up with the carbon fiber pack!
>
> Toshi in Oakland, CA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Toshi Takeuchi]

--What if I flip the question on its head and say could I do club riding
with my Cheviot, and what would I gain from getting a road bike?

I've not ridden a Platypus, but I would assume that it would be similar to
a Cheviot.

If I stripped down my Cheviot, then I am confident that I would be
perfectly fine on club rides.  I have Albastache bars, and basically use 2
positions.  My brake levers are on the curves up front and it is probably
similar to my drop bars.  I have an upright position at the end of the bar
where the bar end shifters are.  I think rides up to a century or 200k
would be fine.  I think I might prefer a drop bar for longer rides because
I have more hand positions that I use (I'm sure there are more usable
positions on the Albastache, but I don't use them...).

For my drop bars, I found this site to describe various hand positions:
https://www.roadbikerider.com/dropped-bar-hand-positions/

I probably use position 3 (curves of the flat front bar) for 45% of my
riding.  30% in position 7 in the drops and the other 20% in position 9
(end of drops) and 10% on the flats or in the hoods (2,5).

I actually don't use the hoods too much because I set up my drop bars so
that I am most comfortable in the drops and a bit stretched out when my
hands are in the hoods.
--I would definitely recommend TRP levers if you want to brake from the
drops because they are angled out to make it easy to grab when you are
braking from the drops.

Aside from more hand positions with a drop bar, there would be more
responsive steering from the handlebar.  I think that if I had a bmx setup
without brake or derailleur cables, then I would be able to spin my front
wheel 360 degrees without falling on my Cheviot.

If I tried to spin my Roadeo front wheel 360 degrees, then I'm pretty sure
I'd fall flat on my face as I angled the front wheel too far to the left or
right.

My Roadeo has the best handling via steering input.  This responsiveness to
steering gives me better descending capabilities when going down curvy
roads.  I wouldn't otherwise need the responsive steering if I didn't
descend hilly/mountainous roads, and would be perfectly fine going slightly
slower on my Cheviot.

If I had a racing Platy/Cheviot: 1. Albastache bars to have the hand
position with the brakes up front to tuck down in the wind. 2. Supple
sidewall tires.  Yes there is a greater risk of sidewall damage, but if I
store my bike indoors (I do) and do periodic inspection of my tires (I need
to do this before big rides for sure), then I am comfortable with the risk
benefit tradeoff. The improvement in ride quality and speed was tremendous
for me. 38-42 mm is ideal for me (Hetre EL or Babyshoe pass EL or parimoto
38 mm are tires I have used and are wonderful).  I think Jan
Heine/Compass/Rene Herse's research showed that 42 mm supple tires are no
less efficient and can be more efficient than 28 mm road tires.

I wouldn't worry about the weight of the bike unless I was just hanging on
by a thread and needed to lose a pound or two to keep a margin of comfort,
or unless I were actually racing (I don't) and seconds might really count.
Besides, I know there is a certain amount of satisfaction when a racing
Platy keeps up with the carbon fiber pack!

Toshi in Oakland, CA

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[George Schick]

Well, I'm currently working on a major rehab and overhaul of a '95 Schwinn 
Ridge Searcher for a lady that she somehow got for free.  It's in a pretty 
decrepit condition, but hey, I have plenty of time to engage in such 
volunteer activities and when it's done she'll be riding a bike the likes 
of which she's never had before.  If the location of that Rom was not so 
distant (and of course, some doubts about frame size) I'd recommend 
snagging it...maybe after haggling down to a lower price...and I'd be 
willing to undertake a similar task.  Kazoo is just on the other side of 
the lake plus a bit more from me.

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 2:37:07 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Yes, George, exactly. I was excited that such a nice frame was available 
> but with the size being iffy, the whole bar/brake lever/cables/housing and 
> the tires needing a swap I just didn’t feel confident this was the answer.
>
> On Apr 24, 2024, at 3:32 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Heh.  After all of this back and forth discussion about drop bars and the 
> various hand positions, it turns out to be set up much the same way as the 
> bikes she already has with an upright riding position and regular bars.  
> 'Course, this bike "could" be reconverted to a standard road bike without 
> too much difficulty.  And it is, after all, a Romulus which a darn decent 
> bike frame in the first place...*but* it's in Nashville which would 
> require some disassembly to ship anyplace outside the central Tennessee 
> area.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m gonna pass on the Romulus, Piaw. But here’s the link if your wife is 
>> interested. 
>> [image: 434880613_728297446179557_7619796582322956859_n.jpg]
>>
>> Rivendell Romulus Bicycle 55cm 
>> 
>> facebook.com 
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Leah
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing. 
>> Here's the geometry: 
>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>>
>> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
>> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
>> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
>> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>>>
>>> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>>>
>>> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
>>> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
>>> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all 
 depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from 
 (shipped 
 or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - 
 there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost 
 collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give 
 it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?

 Best winds!
 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
> this way as well.
>
> Jim
> Austin, TX burbs
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

Yes, George, exactly. I was excited that such a nice frame was available but with the size being iffy, the whole bar/brake lever/cables/housing and the tires needing a swap I just didn’t feel confident this was the answer.On Apr 24, 2024, at 3:32 PM, George Schick  wrote:Heh.  After all of this back and forth discussion about drop bars and the various hand positions, it turns out to be set up much the same way as the bikes she already has with an upright riding position and regular bars.  'Course, this bike "could" be reconverted to a standard road bike without too much difficulty.  And it is, after all, a Romulus which a darn decent bike frame in the first place...but it's in Nashville which would require some disassembly to ship anyplace outside the central Tennessee area.On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I’m gonna pass on the Romulus, Piaw. But here’s the link if your wife is interested. Rivendell Romulus Bicycle 55cmfacebook.comBest,LeahOn Apr 23, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing. Here's the geometry: https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdfLooks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  wrote:>> 
So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?

We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.cheers -mathiasOn Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from (shipped or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?Best winds!On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done this way as well.JimAustin, TX burbsOn Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[George Schick]

Heh.  After all of this back and forth discussion about drop bars and the 
various hand positions, it turns out to be set up much the same way as the 
bikes she already has with an upright riding position and regular bars.  
'Course, this bike "could" be reconverted to a standard road bike without 
too much difficulty.  And it is, after all, a Romulus which a darn decent 
bike frame in the first place...*but* it's in Nashville which would require 
some disassembly to ship anyplace outside the central Tennessee area.

On Wednesday, April 24, 2024 at 1:34:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I’m gonna pass on the Romulus, Piaw. But here’s the link if your wife is 
> interested. 
> [image: 434880613_728297446179557_7619796582322956859_n.jpg]
>
> Rivendell Romulus Bicycle 55cm 
> 
> facebook.com 
> 
>
>
> Best,
> Leah
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:
>
> 
> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing. 
> Here's the geometry: 
> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>
> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
>> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>>
>> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>>
>> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
>> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
>> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all 
>>> depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from (shipped 
>>> or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - 
>>> there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost 
>>> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give 
>>> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>>>
>>> Best winds!
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?

 On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

 

 Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
 Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
 versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
 Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
 converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
 reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
 this way as well.

 Jim
 Austin, TX burbs

 On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
> ideal. 
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
> what 
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
> before. 
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
> rate 
> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
> I’m 
> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Jim Bronson]

Disagree, I much prefer 38mm over 32mm for rural road riding.  I ran Grand
Bois 700x30 (really 32 on the calipers) before converting to 650Bx38.  Then
again I live in the land of low quality chip seal with basically tar over
huge rocks, so there is that.

Jim
Austin, TX MSA

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 3:26 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Yep, according to that Riv chart, up to 38mm.  But I don't recommend going
> there because they will increase your SOH.  And you don't really need any
> tires of that size anyway if you have a road bike that you're going to be
> riding on paved roads - 32mm or so would be good enough.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus
>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should
>> have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's of
>> 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is better"
>> on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame
>>> sizing. Here's the geometry:
>>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>>>
>>> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus.
>>> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a
>>> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd
>>> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?

 We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.

 The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover
 clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
 That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.

 cheers -mathias

 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all
> depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from 
> (shipped
> or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot -
> there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost
> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give
> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>
> Best winds!
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early
>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being
>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road
>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B
>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73
>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done
>> this way as well.
>>
>> Jim
>> Austin, TX burbs
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a
>>> Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know
>>> that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea
>>> what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one 
>>> looks
>>> great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which 
>>> would be
>>> ideal.
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has
>>> a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know
>>> what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have
>>> before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it 
>>> out
>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
>>> rate
>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else 
>>> agreed
>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
>>> I’m
>>> the youngest and probably the most fit.
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Jim Bronson]

A Romulus sounds fantastic if it fits you and you like the way it rides.

I came across someone riding a Romulus on Bike Tour of Colorado a while
back when I rode the event.  That was a 450ish mile event over 7 days with
umpteen tens of thousands of feet of climbing and many passes over 10,000
feet with fast downhills.  Even back then in the mid-late 00s us Riv riders
stood out from the sea of crabon fibre.  I think there were 5 of us on
Rivs, IIRC.

Jim
Austin, TX

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 2:32 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
> 
> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early
> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being
> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road
> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B
> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73
> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done
> this way as well.
>
> Jim
> Austin, TX burbs
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be
>> ideal.
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before.
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take
>> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem
>> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me.
>> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in
>> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a
>> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the
>> youngest and probably the most fit.
>>
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

As if you need it, I’ll give a plus one for a Ram or Romulus. I have had my 
orange Ram for over 15 yrs and it has been on many club rides, centuries, 
short rides, gentle gravel rides, and nowhere rides. It is probably the 
best designed “everything but real dirt” roadish bike Grant’s ever 
designed, at least for me! And don’t be afraid of drop bars!


On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 6:32:59 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:

> Jim stated:  " If you can have more than one bike, I don't see the sense 
> in trying to make everyone of them an all rounder".
>
> I really wanted to come here to make that point, but Jim made it better 
> than I can. I wonder if Leah could borrow a club member's bike for a ride 
> or two? Modern road bikes have come a long way in terms of tire clearance 
> with many being able to accept fenders. It might be eye-opening to try a 
> bicycle optimized for purpose in this case.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:42:23 PM UTC-6 Jim M. wrote:
>
>> I think 38s are great for a 200 pounder like me, but if you weigh 110 
>> like my daughter, they are overkill, and she does fine with 32s or even 
>> 28s. And I gotta admit, I've got 30s on my road bike and they feel good. My 
>> road bike is set up optimally for smooth road riding, I've got other bikes 
>> for rougher stuff. If you can have more than one bike, I don't see the 
>> sense in trying to make everyone of them an all rounder.
>>
>> jim m
>> walnut creek riv iconoclast
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:22:20 PM UTC-7 Corwin Zechar wrote:
>>
>>> My orange creamsicle (the fastest color) Ram is currently wearing 38mm 
>>> Schwalbe Marathon Racers. The Racers are mounted on skinny Mavic Open Pro 
>>> rims, but still measure 37.25mm. I would wager, I could mount a pair of 
>>> Schwalbe 40mm tires on the Ram with adequate clearance.
>>>
>>> I ride the Ram and my Custom Rivendell (wearing 40mm tires) on club 
>>> rides, keep up with much younger riders, and highly recommend 38 and 40mm 
>>> tires for road riding. As a matter of fact, my Hubbuhubbuh wears Schwalbe 
>>> Hurricanes which measure 71mm mounted on Velocity Cliffhangers. My wife 
>>> refuses to ride anything but roads and we regularly pass most other bikes 
>>> we encounter.
>>>
>>> Nothing wrong with riding wider tires.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:54:03 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Agreed.  I own a 54cm Ram and it's equipped with fenders.  The max tire 
 that works in this set up is a 32mm.  But without fenders one might be 
 able 
 to get 35mm or more on the wheels, but I still don't recommend it for a 
 "road bike".  While wider tires may be a good thing for general riding 
 purposes they would not work out as well as smaller diameter tires for 
 road 
 riding and for what she'll probably soon be using it for like or not, club 
 rides where she will be burning up the pavement with it.

 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:33:25 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The Romulus was essentially just the Rambouillet and I fit Kojaks on 
> it. Those are stated to be 35 but I think they were actually more like 
> 36. 
> With that in mind it worked but I am not sure I would have been able to 
> or 
> wanted to go to 38's. It was probably possible though.
>
> Interesting that in reviewing some of those pages Grant said that the 
> AHH and Rambouillet are the same with the only exception being that the 
> AHH 
> takes larger tires. I'm not sure I ever knew that before. I thought the 
> AHH 
> was the same as the Saluki with only the 650B vs 700C tires being the 
> difference at the beginning.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:26:17 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Yep, according to that Riv chart, up to 38mm.  But I don't recommend 
>> going there because they will increase your SOH.  And you don't really 
>> need 
>> any tires of that size anyway if you have a road bike that you're going 
>> to 
>> be riding on paved roads - 32mm or so would be good enough.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus 
>>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom 
>>> should have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with 
>>> PBH's of 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going 
>>> larger is 
>>> better" on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ian A]

Jim stated:  " If you can have more than one bike, I don't see the sense in 
trying to make everyone of them an all rounder".

I really wanted to come here to make that point, but Jim made it better 
than I can. I wonder if Leah could borrow a club member's bike for a ride 
or two? Modern road bikes have come a long way in terms of tire clearance 
with many being able to accept fenders. It might be eye-opening to try a 
bicycle optimized for purpose in this case.

IanA Alberta Canada


On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:42:23 PM UTC-6 Jim M. wrote:

> I think 38s are great for a 200 pounder like me, but if you weigh 110 like 
> my daughter, they are overkill, and she does fine with 32s or even 28s. And 
> I gotta admit, I've got 30s on my road bike and they feel good. My road 
> bike is set up optimally for smooth road riding, I've got other bikes for 
> rougher stuff. If you can have more than one bike, I don't see the sense in 
> trying to make everyone of them an all rounder.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek riv iconoclast
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:22:20 PM UTC-7 Corwin Zechar wrote:
>
>> My orange creamsicle (the fastest color) Ram is currently wearing 38mm 
>> Schwalbe Marathon Racers. The Racers are mounted on skinny Mavic Open Pro 
>> rims, but still measure 37.25mm. I would wager, I could mount a pair of 
>> Schwalbe 40mm tires on the Ram with adequate clearance.
>>
>> I ride the Ram and my Custom Rivendell (wearing 40mm tires) on club 
>> rides, keep up with much younger riders, and highly recommend 38 and 40mm 
>> tires for road riding. As a matter of fact, my Hubbuhubbuh wears Schwalbe 
>> Hurricanes which measure 71mm mounted on Velocity Cliffhangers. My wife 
>> refuses to ride anything but roads and we regularly pass most other bikes 
>> we encounter.
>>
>> Nothing wrong with riding wider tires.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:54:03 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed.  I own a 54cm Ram and it's equipped with fenders.  The max tire 
>>> that works in this set up is a 32mm.  But without fenders one might be able 
>>> to get 35mm or more on the wheels, but I still don't recommend it for a 
>>> "road bike".  While wider tires may be a good thing for general riding 
>>> purposes they would not work out as well as smaller diameter tires for road 
>>> riding and for what she'll probably soon be using it for like or not, club 
>>> rides where she will be burning up the pavement with it.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:33:25 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 The Romulus was essentially just the Rambouillet and I fit Kojaks on 
 it. Those are stated to be 35 but I think they were actually more like 36. 
 With that in mind it worked but I am not sure I would have been able to or 
 wanted to go to 38's. It was probably possible though.

 Interesting that in reviewing some of those pages Grant said that the 
 AHH and Rambouillet are the same with the only exception being that the 
 AHH 
 takes larger tires. I'm not sure I ever knew that before. I thought the 
 AHH 
 was the same as the Saluki with only the 650B vs 700C tires being the 
 difference at the beginning.

 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:26:17 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Yep, according to that Riv chart, up to 38mm.  But I don't recommend 
> going there because they will increase your SOH.  And you don't really 
> need 
> any tires of that size anyway if you have a road bike that you're going 
> to 
> be riding on paved roads - 32mm or so would be good enough.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus 
>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should 
>> have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's 
>> of 
>> 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is 
>> better" 
>> on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame 
>>> sizing. Here's the geometry: 
>>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>>>
>>> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
>>> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
>>> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
>>> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner <
>>> mathiass...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 >> So I 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[P W]

Don’t sleep.Make the deal happen, tonight!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 23, 2024, at 2:44 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:No worries, I just want a 32 or so. I am too scared of the 28s that are on there. This is a LOT of change for me. Drop bars, new shifting, diamond frame, true road bike…I can’t ride 28s.The guy has one other interested party who wanted to see the bike Friday. He made no promise to hold it, but he has not yet said he’ll sell the Romulus to me. So, we wait.On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:42 PM, Ted Durant  wrote:On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:22 PM, Corwin Zechar  wrote:Nothing wrong with riding wider tires.+1. 32mm are the skinniest I have now, on my Riv Road, Heron Road, and Waterford ST-22. I wouldn’t think twice about those tires on a group road ride, other than to think how fast and comfy they are.Ted DurantMilwaukee, WI USA



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

It’s an honor to have the Bill Lindsay Rules bent for our delight here. We await. Bated breath, and all that jazz!On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:51 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:"Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! "I need to grab a bike right now to head over to the dentist.  I'm going to break my own self-imposed rule and ride my Romulus on its first ride.  Pics will prove it.Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:02:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 23, 2024, at 3:46 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:I think that falls into Joe Bernard's recommendation of taking a flyer on a used Rivendell at decent price.  Love it if you can and sell it if you find you can't love it.  Go for it if you can stand over it. I bought a used 59cm Romulus this year, and built it but haven't ridden it, because of my weird self-imposed mileage quota system.  But I will be Rom-riding this summer!BL in ECOn Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done this way as well.JimAustin, TX burbsOn Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

"Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! "

I need to grab a bike right now to head over to the dentist.  I'm going to 
break my own self-imposed rule and ride my Romulus on its first ride.  Pics 
will prove it.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:02:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:46 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> I think that falls into Joe Bernard's recommendation of taking a flyer on 
> a used Rivendell at decent price.  Love it if you can and sell it if you 
> find you can't love it.  Go for it if you can stand over it. 
>
>
> I bought a used 59cm Romulus this year, and built it but haven't ridden 
> it, because of my weird self-imposed mileage quota system.  But I will be 
> Rom-riding this summer!
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
>> this way as well.
>>
>> Jim
>> Austin, TX burbs
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>> ideal. 
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate 
>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m 
>>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>>
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

No worries, I just want a 32 or so. I am too scared of the 28s that are on there. This is a LOT of change for me. Drop bars, new shifting, diamond frame, true road bike…I can’t ride 28s.The guy has one other interested party who wanted to see the bike Friday. He made no promise to hold it, but he has not yet said he’ll sell the Romulus to me. So, we wait.On Apr 23, 2024, at 5:42 PM, Ted Durant  wrote:On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:22 PM, Corwin Zechar  wrote:Nothing wrong with riding wider tires.+1. 32mm are the skinniest I have now, on my Riv Road, Heron Road, and Waterford ST-22. I wouldn’t think twice about those tires on a group road ride, other than to think how fast and comfy they are.Ted DurantMilwaukee, WI USA



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Jim M.]

I think 38s are great for a 200 pounder like me, but if you weigh 110 like 
my daughter, they are overkill, and she does fine with 32s or even 28s. And 
I gotta admit, I've got 30s on my road bike and they feel good. My road 
bike is set up optimally for smooth road riding, I've got other bikes for 
rougher stuff. If you can have more than one bike, I don't see the sense in 
trying to make everyone of them an all rounder.

jim m
walnut creek riv iconoclast

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:22:20 PM UTC-7 Corwin Zechar wrote:

> My orange creamsicle (the fastest color) Ram is currently wearing 38mm 
> Schwalbe Marathon Racers. The Racers are mounted on skinny Mavic Open Pro 
> rims, but still measure 37.25mm. I would wager, I could mount a pair of 
> Schwalbe 40mm tires on the Ram with adequate clearance.
>
> I ride the Ram and my Custom Rivendell (wearing 40mm tires) on club rides, 
> keep up with much younger riders, and highly recommend 38 and 40mm tires 
> for road riding. As a matter of fact, my Hubbuhubbuh wears Schwalbe 
> Hurricanes which measure 71mm mounted on Velocity Cliffhangers. My wife 
> refuses to ride anything but roads and we regularly pass most other bikes 
> we encounter.
>
> Nothing wrong with riding wider tires.
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:54:03 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Agreed.  I own a 54cm Ram and it's equipped with fenders.  The max tire 
>> that works in this set up is a 32mm.  But without fenders one might be able 
>> to get 35mm or more on the wheels, but I still don't recommend it for a 
>> "road bike".  While wider tires may be a good thing for general riding 
>> purposes they would not work out as well as smaller diameter tires for road 
>> riding and for what she'll probably soon be using it for like or not, club 
>> rides where she will be burning up the pavement with it.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:33:25 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> The Romulus was essentially just the Rambouillet and I fit Kojaks on it. 
>>> Those are stated to be 35 but I think they were actually more like 36. With 
>>> that in mind it worked but I am not sure I would have been able to or 
>>> wanted to go to 38's. It was probably possible though.
>>>
>>> Interesting that in reviewing some of those pages Grant said that the 
>>> AHH and Rambouillet are the same with the only exception being that the AHH 
>>> takes larger tires. I'm not sure I ever knew that before. I thought the AHH 
>>> was the same as the Saluki with only the 650B vs 700C tires being the 
>>> difference at the beginning.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:26:17 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Yep, according to that Riv chart, up to 38mm.  But I don't recommend 
 going there because they will increase your SOH.  And you don't really 
 need 
 any tires of that size anyway if you have a road bike that you're going to 
 be riding on paved roads - 32mm or so would be good enough.

 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus 
> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should 
> have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's of 
> 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is 
> better" 
> on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame 
>> sizing. Here's the geometry: 
>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>>
>> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
>> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
>> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
>> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner <
>> mathiass...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>>>
>>> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>>>
>>> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
>>> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
>>> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that 
 all depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from 
 (shipped or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ted Durant]

> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:22 PM, Corwin Zechar  wrote:
> 
> Nothing wrong with riding wider tires.
> 

+1. 

32mm are the skinniest I have now, on my Riv Road, Heron Road, and Waterford 
ST-22. I wouldn’t think twice about those tires on a group road ride, other 
than to think how fast and comfy they are.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Corwin Zechar]

My orange creamsicle (the fastest color) Ram is currently wearing 38mm 
Schwalbe Marathon Racers. The Racers are mounted on skinny Mavic Open Pro 
rims, but still measure 37.25mm. I would wager, I could mount a pair of 
Schwalbe 40mm tires on the Ram with adequate clearance.

I ride the Ram and my Custom Rivendell (wearing 40mm tires) on club rides, 
keep up with much younger riders, and highly recommend 38 and 40mm tires 
for road riding. As a matter of fact, my Hubbuhubbuh wears Schwalbe 
Hurricanes which measure 71mm mounted on Velocity Cliffhangers. My wife 
refuses to ride anything but roads and we regularly pass most other bikes 
we encounter.

Nothing wrong with riding wider tires.

Regards,

Corwin

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:54:03 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Agreed.  I own a 54cm Ram and it's equipped with fenders.  The max tire 
> that works in this set up is a 32mm.  But without fenders one might be able 
> to get 35mm or more on the wheels, but I still don't recommend it for a 
> "road bike".  While wider tires may be a good thing for general riding 
> purposes they would not work out as well as smaller diameter tires for road 
> riding and for what she'll probably soon be using it for like or not, club 
> rides where she will be burning up the pavement with it.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:33:25 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> The Romulus was essentially just the Rambouillet and I fit Kojaks on it. 
>> Those are stated to be 35 but I think they were actually more like 36. With 
>> that in mind it worked but I am not sure I would have been able to or 
>> wanted to go to 38's. It was probably possible though.
>>
>> Interesting that in reviewing some of those pages Grant said that the AHH 
>> and Rambouillet are the same with the only exception being that the AHH 
>> takes larger tires. I'm not sure I ever knew that before. I thought the AHH 
>> was the same as the Saluki with only the 650B vs 700C tires being the 
>> difference at the beginning.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:26:17 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, according to that Riv chart, up to 38mm.  But I don't recommend 
>>> going there because they will increase your SOH.  And you don't really need 
>>> any tires of that size anyway if you have a road bike that you're going to 
>>> be riding on paved roads - 32mm or so would be good enough.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 …which would give me room for that larger tire!
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:

 Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus 
 http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should 
 have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's of 
 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is better" 
 on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.



 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame 
> sizing. Here's the geometry: 
> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>
> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner <
> mathiass...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>>
>> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>>
>> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
>> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
>> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that 
>>> all depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from 
>>> (shipped or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it 
>>> a 
>>> shot - there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're 
>>> almost 
>>> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to 
>>> give 
>>> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>>>
>>> Best winds!
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?

 On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  
 wrote:

 

 Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[James M]

This is such great news.  Just read all the posts on her new blog!

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 3:38:11 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> And Velouria has an April 2024 post!
>
> Leah might want to read back issues of Lovely Bicycle; Velouria/Constance 
> had a similar bike journey, including Rivendells and customs, from cycling 
> urban Boston to brevets, IIRC.
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 1:30 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> "I have to look up what “on the ramps” means. "
>>
>> Five hand-positions, defined and illustrated, by the lovely "Lovely 
>> Bicycle":
>>
>>
>> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/drop-bar-hand-positions-introduction.html
>>
>> BL in EC
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:16:35 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, 
>>> that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. 
>>> This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to 
>>> know.
>>>
>>> I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I 
>>> first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
>>> pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
>>> racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing 
>>> nothing! 
>>>
>>> Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike 
>>> community and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I 
>>> end up learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting 
>>> lots of people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot 
>>> further from home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a 
>>> metric century or enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m 
>>> hamstrung by my lack of experience. I always thought drop bars would have 
>>> to be uncomfortable. It wasn’t until this thread that I even considered 
>>> trying them. Are they a rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever 
>>> but just scratch the itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the 
>>> gold standard “They’ve been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry 
>>> I’m too late to start using them after all this time on albatross and 
>>> Billies. I have to look up what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the 
>>> “right” geometry is for a road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider 
>>> would be. I dread being uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop 
>>> bars and crashing in a peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on 
>>> drop bars. I thought albastache might be a good compromise but heard they 
>>> aren’t wrist-neutral and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But 
>>> everything I do now scares me, so let’s go.
>>>
>>> Keep your replies coming! I read every one, even if I don’t respond, I 
>>> am definitely thinking about them and chatting with other RivSisters who 
>>> have similar questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks for taking the time!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>>
 Hi Leah -

 I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are 
 very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I 
 have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and 
 Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes 
 can 
 be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things 
 like 
 trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the 
 handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, and 
 judge 
 the handling and stability based on how a bike rides.

 All of my Rivs are rock-solid stable and handle exceptionally well. I 
 know that the low center of gravity, trail and angles contribute to this. 
 Stability and handling are very important to me because I ride lots of 
 hills. Going uphill depends on gears, fitness and leg strength. The 
 stability and handling come into play going downhill. Rivs provide a level 
 of confidence I don't get on other bikes. You can be sure the bike will go 
 where you point it.

 About Albastache and Mustache bars - I have five bikes (some of them 
 Rivs) with Mustache and Albastache bars. I find I can get every bit as low 
 on Mustache and Albastache bars as on drop bars. The rest of my bikes have 
 drop bars. The main thing I like about drop bars is riding the hoods. On 
 drops, I find there are primarily three hand positions: 1) on the hoods, 
 2) 
 on the ramps (slightly farther back than on the hoods) and 3) on the flats 
 on either side of the stem. I rarely get into the drops. With the 
 Albastache and Mustache, I find I have more riding positions.

 Have fun on your road bike, whatever you get.

 Regards,


 Corwin
 On Sunday, April 21, 2024 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[George Schick]

Agreed.  I own a 54cm Ram and it's equipped with fenders.  The max tire 
that works in this set up is a 32mm.  But without fenders one might be able 
to get 35mm or more on the wheels, but I still don't recommend it for a 
"road bike".  While wider tires may be a good thing for general riding 
purposes they would not work out as well as smaller diameter tires for road 
riding and for what she'll probably soon be using it for like or not, club 
rides where she will be burning up the pavement with it.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:33:25 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The Romulus was essentially just the Rambouillet and I fit Kojaks on it. 
> Those are stated to be 35 but I think they were actually more like 36. With 
> that in mind it worked but I am not sure I would have been able to or 
> wanted to go to 38's. It was probably possible though.
>
> Interesting that in reviewing some of those pages Grant said that the AHH 
> and Rambouillet are the same with the only exception being that the AHH 
> takes larger tires. I'm not sure I ever knew that before. I thought the AHH 
> was the same as the Saluki with only the 650B vs 700C tires being the 
> difference at the beginning.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:26:17 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Yep, according to that Riv chart, up to 38mm.  But I don't recommend 
>> going there because they will increase your SOH.  And you don't really need 
>> any tires of that size anyway if you have a road bike that you're going to 
>> be riding on paved roads - 32mm or so would be good enough.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus 
>>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should 
>>> have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's of 
>>> 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is better" 
>>> on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame 
 sizing. Here's the geometry: 
 https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf

 Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
 Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
 lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
 consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.

 On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
 wrote:

> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>
> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>
> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>
> cheers -mathias
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that 
>> all depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from 
>> (shipped or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it 
>> a 
>> shot - there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're 
>> almost 
>> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to 
>> give 
>> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>>
>> Best winds!
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
>>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for 
>>> being 
>>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv 
>>> Road 
>>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
>>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
>>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
>>> this way as well.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> Austin, TX burbs
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a 
 Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t 
 know 
 that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no 
 idea 
 what is going on with 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Joe Bernard]

Johnny, the progression of those models at that time connects. The AHH - a 
Country Bike - was a Ram with bigger clearances, then the Saluki was an AHH 
with 650B wheels. 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:33:25 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The Romulus was essentially just the Rambouillet and I fit Kojaks on it. 
> Those are stated to be 35 but I think they were actually more like 36. With 
> that in mind it worked but I am not sure I would have been able to or 
> wanted to go to 38's. It was probably possible though.
>
> Interesting that in reviewing some of those pages Grant said that the AHH 
> and Rambouillet are the same with the only exception being that the AHH 
> takes larger tires. I'm not sure I ever knew that before. I thought the AHH 
> was the same as the Saluki with only the 650B vs 700C tires being the 
> difference at the beginning.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:26:17 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Yep, according to that Riv chart, up to 38mm.  But I don't recommend 
>> going there because they will increase your SOH.  And you don't really need 
>> any tires of that size anyway if you have a road bike that you're going to 
>> be riding on paved roads - 32mm or so would be good enough.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus 
>>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should 
>>> have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's of 
>>> 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is better" 
>>> on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame 
 sizing. Here's the geometry: 
 https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf

 Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
 Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
 lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
 consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.

 On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
 wrote:

> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>
> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>
> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>
> cheers -mathias
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that 
>> all depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from 
>> (shipped or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it 
>> a 
>> shot - there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're 
>> almost 
>> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to 
>> give 
>> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>>
>> Best winds!
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
>>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for 
>>> being 
>>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv 
>>> Road 
>>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
>>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
>>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
>>> this way as well.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> Austin, TX burbs
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a 
 Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t 
 know 
 that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no 
 idea 
 what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one 
 looks 
 great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which 
 would be 
 ideal. 

 Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has 
 a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Johnny Alien]

The Romulus was essentially just the Rambouillet and I fit Kojaks on it. 
Those are stated to be 35 but I think they were actually more like 36. With 
that in mind it worked but I am not sure I would have been able to or 
wanted to go to 38's. It was probably possible though.

Interesting that in reviewing some of those pages Grant said that the AHH 
and Rambouillet are the same with the only exception being that the AHH 
takes larger tires. I'm not sure I ever knew that before. I thought the AHH 
was the same as the Saluki with only the 650B vs 700C tires being the 
difference at the beginning.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:26:17 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Yep, according to that Riv chart, up to 38mm.  But I don't recommend going 
> there because they will increase your SOH.  And you don't really need any 
> tires of that size anyway if you have a road bike that you're going to be 
> riding on paved roads - 32mm or so would be good enough.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus 
>> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should 
>> have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's of 
>> 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is better" 
>> on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame 
>>> sizing. Here's the geometry: 
>>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>>>
>>> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
>>> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
>>> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
>>> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 

 We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.

 The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
 clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
 That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.

 cheers -mathias

 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all 
> depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from 
> (shipped 
> or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - 
> there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost 
> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give 
> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>
> Best winds!
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
>> this way as well.
>>
>> Jim
>> Austin, TX burbs
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a 
>>> Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know 
>>> that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no 
>>> idea 
>>> what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one 
>>> looks 
>>> great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which 
>>> would be 
>>> ideal. 
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has 
>>> a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
>>> what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
>>> before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, 
>>> longer-reach 
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[George Schick]

Yep, according to that Riv chart, up to 38mm.  But I don't recommend going 
there because they will increase your SOH.  And you don't really need any 
tires of that size anyway if you have a road bike that you're going to be 
riding on paved roads - 32mm or so would be good enough.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus 
> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should have 
> a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's of 
> 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is better" 
> on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing. 
>> Here's the geometry: 
>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>>
>> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
>> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
>> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
>> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>>>
>>> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>>>
>>> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
>>> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
>>> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all 
 depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from 
 (shipped 
 or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - 
 there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost 
 collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give 
 it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?

 Best winds!
 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
> this way as well.
>
> Jim
> Austin, TX burbs
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
>> what 
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
>> before. 
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it 
>> out 
>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
>> rate 
>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else 
>> agreed 
>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
>> I’m 
>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ryan]

Worth a shot Leah! Do let us know how it works out

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> …which would give me room for that larger tire!
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:
>
> Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus 
> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should have 
> a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's of 
> 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is better" 
> on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing. 
>> Here's the geometry: 
>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>>
>> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
>> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
>> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
>> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>>>
>>> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>>>
>>> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
>>> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
>>> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all 
 depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from 
 (shipped 
 or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - 
 there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost 
 collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give 
 it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?

 Best winds!
 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
> this way as well.
>
> Jim
> Austin, TX burbs
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
>> what 
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
>> before. 
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it 
>> out 
>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
>> rate 
>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else 
>> agreed 
>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
>> I’m 
>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> -- 
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>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
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>>  
>> 
>> .
>>
>
>
> -- 
> 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

…which would give me room for that larger tire!Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 23, 2024, at 4:09 PM, George Schick  wrote:Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the Romulus http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom should have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with PBH's of 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is better" on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing. Here's the geometry: https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdfLooks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  wrote:>> 
So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?

We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.cheers -mathiasOn Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from (shipped or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?Best winds!On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done this way as well.JimAustin, TX burbsOn Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[George Schick]

Hmm... according to a geometry chart for the 
Romulus http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html a 55cm Rom 
should have a "typical  PBH" of between 79-80 and a 57cm for those with 
PBH's of 81-83.  So...disagreeing as I do with Grant about "going larger is 
better" on frame size, I'd say that this bike would be perfect.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:55:13 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing. 
> Here's the geometry: 
> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>
> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
>> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>>
>> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>>
>> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
>> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
>> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all 
>>> depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from (shipped 
>>> or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - 
>>> there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost 
>>> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give 
>>> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>>>
>>> Best winds!
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?

 On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

 

 Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
 Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
 versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
 Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
 converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
 reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
 this way as well.

 Jim
 Austin, TX burbs

 On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
> ideal. 
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
> what 
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
> before. 
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
> rate 
> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
> I’m 
> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Mathias Steiner]

The stated standover for the size 55 Romulus is 80 cm.

"The standover heights here are with a 700x27 (686 mm [diameter]) road 
tire. It will be lower with a typical 700x23, and of course, higher with a 
700x38."

It's probably fine. I'd mock up an 80 cm top tube and see how comfortable 
you think you'd be straddling it. Add 5 mm for 32 mm tires. 

cheers -mathias
On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:55:13 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing. 
> Here's the geometry: 
> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>
> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
>> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>>
>> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>>
>> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
>> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
>> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all 
>>> depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from (shipped 
>>> or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - 
>>> there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost 
>>> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give 
>>> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>>>
>>> Best winds!
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?

 On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

 

 Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
 Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
 versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
 Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
 converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
 reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
 this way as well.

 Jim
 Austin, TX burbs

 On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
> ideal. 
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
> what 
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
> before. 
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
> rate 
> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
> I’m 
> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>
> Leah
>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Johnny Alien]

And congrats if you get it. That is a very solid road focused Riv at a 
really fair price.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:05:36 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> That still falls into that "rivendell likes to size up" thing. I had a 54 
> Rambouillet and while I am 5'9" I have a lower PBH (around 80). The 54 was 
> the max I would be comfortable with. A 55 Romulus would likely work. Leah's 
> PBH is slightly larger so I think the 55 would be a great fit. Going to a 
> 59 sounds crazy to me.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:55:13 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing. 
>> Here's the geometry: 
>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>>
>> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
>> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
>> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
>> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>>>
>>> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>>>
>>> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
>>> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
>>> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all 
 depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from 
 (shipped 
 or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - 
 there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost 
 collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give 
 it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?

 Best winds!
 On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
> this way as well.
>
> Jim
> Austin, TX burbs
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
>> what 
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
>> before. 
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it 
>> out 
>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
>> rate 
>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else 
>> agreed 
>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
>> I’m 
>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Johnny Alien]

That still falls into that "rivendell likes to size up" thing. I had a 54 
Rambouillet and while I am 5'9" I have a lower PBH (around 80). The 54 was 
the max I would be comfortable with. A 55 Romulus would likely work. Leah's 
PBH is slightly larger so I think the 55 would be a great fit. Going to a 
59 sounds crazy to me.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:55:13 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing. 
> Here's the geometry: 
> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf
>
> Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. 
> Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a 
> lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd 
> consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
>> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 
>>
>> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>>
>> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover 
>> clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.
>> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all 
>>> depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from (shipped 
>>> or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - 
>>> there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost 
>>> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give 
>>> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>>>
>>> Best winds!
>>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?

 On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

 

 Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
 Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
 versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
 Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
 converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
 reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
 this way as well.

 Jim
 Austin, TX burbs

 On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
> ideal. 
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know 
> what 
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have 
> before. 
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart 
> rate 
> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and 
> I’m 
> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>
> Leah
>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

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My only contribution to this very engaging, and very long thread:BUY IT!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Apr 23, 2024, at 1:02 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 23, 2024, at 3:46 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:I think that falls into Joe Bernard's recommendation of taking a flyer on a used Rivendell at decent price.  Love it if you can and sell it if you find you can't love it.  Go for it if you can stand over it. I bought a used 59cm Romulus this year, and built it but haven't ridden it, because of my weird self-imposed mileage quota system.  But I will be Rom-riding this summer!BL in ECOn Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done this way as well.JimAustin, TX burbsOn Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

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I will let you know, Piaw. If it doesn’t work for me I hope it can work for your wife.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 23, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing. Here's the geometry: https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdfLooks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. Unusual compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a lower BB. I would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd consider it for my wife who still wants a Roadini.On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner  wrote:>> 
So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?

We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover clearance, respectively, for the 55 cm size.That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.cheers -mathiasOn Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from (shipped or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?Best winds!On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done this way as well.JimAustin, TX burbsOn Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

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Let’s both Rom-ride this summer! We could even do it in Michigan! Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 23, 2024, at 3:46 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:I think that falls into Joe Bernard's recommendation of taking a flyer on a used Rivendell at decent price.  Love it if you can and sell it if you find you can't love it.  Go for it if you can stand over it. I bought a used 59cm Romulus this year, and built it but haven't ridden it, because of my weird self-imposed mileage quota system.  But I will be Rom-riding this summer!BL in ECOn Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done this way as well.JimAustin, TX burbsOn Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

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The Romulus had a different geometry with a much misleading frame sizing.
Here's the geometry:
https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf

Looks like if you were 5' 10", that'll put you onto a 59cm Romulus. Unusual
compared to today's Roadini sizing, but the Romulus also has a lower BB. I
would buy it. If Leah doesn't want it let me know and I'd consider it for
my wife who still wants a Roadini.

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 12:52 PM Mathias Steiner 
wrote:

> >> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>
> We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.
>
> The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover clearance,
> respectively, for the 55 cm size.
> That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.
>
> cheers -mathias
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all
>> depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from (shipped
>> or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot -
>> there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost
>> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give
>> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>>
>> Best winds!
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early
>>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being
>>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road
>>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B
>>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73
>>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done
>>> this way as well.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> Austin, TX burbs
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell
 roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the
 Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is
 going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great
 but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be
 ideal.

 Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a
 Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what
 size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before.
 I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.

 Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does
 take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach
 stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out
 of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate
 was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed
 it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m
 the youngest and probably the most fit.

 Leah

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

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>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT? 

We think that you need to find a geometry chart for the Romulus.

The older AHH and Roadeo charts show 80.9 and 80.6 cm standover clearance, 
respectively, for the 55 cm size.
That's awfully close to your stated PBH of 81 cm.

cheers -mathias

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 3:46:47 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all 
> depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from (shipped 
> or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - 
> there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost 
> collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give 
> it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?
>
> Best winds!
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
>> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
>> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
>> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
>> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
>> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
>> this way as well.
>>
>> Jim
>> Austin, TX burbs
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>>> ideal. 
>>>
>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>>
>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does 
>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach 
>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out 
>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate 
>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed 
>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m 
>>> the youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>>
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

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It’s only got under 1k miles. Was someone’s wife’s and is in “excellent” condition. Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 23, 2024, at 3:46 PM, George Schick  wrote:Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from (shipped or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?Best winds!On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done this way as well.JimAustin, TX burbsOn Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[George Schick]

Sounds great, right in and around your PBH and SOH.  'Course, that all 
depends upon what kind of shape it's in, where it has to come from (shipped 
or local) therefore sight seen or unseen, etc. I'd say give it a shot - 
there aren't many of those Romulus models around and they're almost 
collectables.  Got a trustworthy LBS now that you can depend upon to give 
it a good going over and therefore a professional evaluation?

Best winds!
On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
> this way as well.
>
> Jim
> Austin, TX burbs
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take 
>> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem 
>> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. 
>> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in 
>> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a 
>> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the 
>> youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

I think that falls into Joe Bernard's recommendation of taking a flyer on a 
used Rivendell at decent price.  Love it if you can and sell it if you find 
you can't love it.  Go for it if you can stand over it. 

I bought a used 59cm Romulus this year, and built it but haven't ridden it, 
because of my weird self-imposed mileage quota system.  But I will be 
Rom-riding this summer!

BL in EC

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?
>
> On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early 
> Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being 
> versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road 
> Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B 
> converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 
> reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done 
> this way as well.
>
> Jim
> Austin, TX burbs
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell 
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the 
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is 
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great 
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be 
>> ideal. 
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a 
>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what 
>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. 
>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>>
>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take 
>> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem 
>> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. 
>> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in 
>> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a 
>> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the 
>> youngest and probably the most fit. 
>>
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

So I found a 55 cm Romulus for $1250. What do we think of THAT?On Apr 23, 2024, at 3:02 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73 reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done this way as well.JimAustin, TX burbsOn Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Jim Bronson]

Get an old one like a Rambouillet for true road-ability.  The early
Rivs are the best if you are into club riding.  I love my Clem for being
versatile but I have ridden over 20,000 Km of brevets on my 90s Riv Road
Standard or custom, not sure which. I bought it used.  I have mine 650B
converted, run 650Bx38 with the Tektro long, long reach brakes, 55-73
reach, IIRC.  There's several others in the forum that have theirs done
this way as well.

Jim
Austin, TX burbs

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 2:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be
> ideal.
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before.
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take
> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem
> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me.
> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in
> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a
> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the
> youngest and probably the most fit.
>
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[John S]

If that used Centurion is in your general size range, it would be a 
fantastic starting point for your road bike exploration. Refreshing an old 
frameset (whether to replace worn out parts with new ones or to improve 
fit) can be such a fun and satisfying process.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 9:12:57 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Since I haven't chimed in on this yet - which is unlike me - I shall do so 
> now. Don't buy bikes you don't want, don't put drops on a frame you've 
> already designed around another purpose. Do pick up a Ram or Roadini if you 
> stumble on one you love now, you can sell it later. Do grab that Gallup 
> when it becomes a reality, I think you'll adore it. 
>
> These are my big thoughts couched as commands but they are just my 
> opinions based on what I know about my friend Leah. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 6:36:01 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> My husband just now: Are you getting ANOTHER bike? 
>>
>> Me: Well…not necessarily. I have to weigh out all the pros and cons, you 
>> see.
>>
>> Him: I know how this ends. It ends with the Annual Bike Purchase of the 
>> Last Bike I’ll Ever Need.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2024, at 9:26 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Tony, I swooned. Actually swooned. Gorgeous, gorgeous.
>>
>>
>> I rode the Mon Night Ride on my Racing Platy tonight. I was so 
>> apprehensive at the start because the winds were 13 mph with 21 mph gusts 
>> and it was open road. I should not be doing this, I thought. Where is my 
>> road bike?
>>
>> But it was the best ride. Did we have wind? Yes. But somehow it was great 
>> and energizing and we just killed it. I had done an intense upper body 
>> lifting session this morning and still it was great and not draining!
>>
>> Can I prove that to you?
>> No. 
>> My Apple Watch died on the ride.  郎 
>>
>> There were men I don’t know on the ride tonight, so of course I got 
>> comments. One of them said, “I hope you never get a road bike.”
>>
>> But I just might.
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:
>>
>> @Leah--Get one of these3x8 drivetrain, Nitto and Silver everywhere. 
>> Add a few bags and spend your weekends putting down mileageguaranteed 
>> to give you a million smiles and zero worries.
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 5:17:47 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Leah,
>>> Don't overthink this. It's hard to build an actual "bad" bike, and the 
>>> big names don't do it.
>>> There are bike that are too "special" in some way -- too slow- or 
>>> fast-handling, or whatever, but these are nuances. I can switch from a 
>>> crit-geometry racer to a tourer and by the end of the block, I stop 
>>> noticing it.
>>>
>>> Check out this ad:
>>>
>>> https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bid/d/grand-rapids-bike-sale-40-or-less/7731072255.html
>>>
>>> and go buy the ~51-52 cm red Centurion in the first picture.
>>> For $40, you'll have something to play with and see how the setup might 
>>> work for you.
>>> If it's rideable, it's hard to see how this is not a good idea, and if 
>>> Centurion built lousy bikes, I haven't heard of it.
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:35:58 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started 
 riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to 
 manual 
 for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling." 
  
 In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great 
 extent 
 to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks 
 back 
 then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling 
 have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called 
 "hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which 
 introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a 
 bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where 
 "drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period 
 more 
 or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  
 Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly 
 see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of 
 course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too commonplace 
 nowadays.  I would encourage anyone who has an inclination to pick up and 
 begin riding regular road bikes to do so.
 On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, 
> “Yes, that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my 
> mind. This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there 
> 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Joe Bernard]

Since I haven't chimed in on this yet - which is unlike me - I shall do so 
now. Don't buy bikes you don't want, don't put drops on a frame you've 
already designed around another purpose. Do pick up a Ram or Roadini if you 
stumble on one you love now, you can sell it later. Do grab that Gallup 
when it becomes a reality, I think you'll adore it. 

These are my big thoughts couched as commands but they are just my opinions 
based on what I know about my friend Leah. 

Joe Bernard 

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 6:36:01 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> My husband just now: Are you getting ANOTHER bike? 
>
> Me: Well…not necessarily. I have to weigh out all the pros and cons, you 
> see.
>
> Him: I know how this ends. It ends with the Annual Bike Purchase of the 
> Last Bike I’ll Ever Need.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2024, at 9:26 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Tony, I swooned. Actually swooned. Gorgeous, gorgeous.
>
>
> I rode the Mon Night Ride on my Racing Platy tonight. I was so 
> apprehensive at the start because the winds were 13 mph with 21 mph gusts 
> and it was open road. I should not be doing this, I thought. Where is my 
> road bike?
>
> But it was the best ride. Did we have wind? Yes. But somehow it was great 
> and energizing and we just killed it. I had done an intense upper body 
> lifting session this morning and still it was great and not draining!
>
> Can I prove that to you?
> No. 
> My Apple Watch died on the ride.  郎 
>
> There were men I don’t know on the ride tonight, so of course I got 
> comments. One of them said, “I hope you never get a road bike.”
>
> But I just might.
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:
>
> @Leah--Get one of these3x8 drivetrain, Nitto and Silver everywhere. 
> Add a few bags and spend your weekends putting down mileageguaranteed 
> to give you a million smiles and zero worries.
> 
>
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 5:17:47 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>> Don't overthink this. It's hard to build an actual "bad" bike, and the 
>> big names don't do it.
>> There are bike that are too "special" in some way -- too slow- or 
>> fast-handling, or whatever, but these are nuances. I can switch from a 
>> crit-geometry racer to a tourer and by the end of the block, I stop 
>> noticing it.
>>
>> Check out this ad:
>>
>> https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bid/d/grand-rapids-bike-sale-40-or-less/7731072255.html
>>
>> and go buy the ~51-52 cm red Centurion in the first picture.
>> For $40, you'll have something to play with and see how the setup might 
>> work for you.
>> If it's rideable, it's hard to see how this is not a good idea, and if 
>> Centurion built lousy bikes, I haven't heard of it.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:35:58 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started 
>>> riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to manual 
>>> for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling."  
>>> In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great extent 
>>> to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks back 
>>> then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling 
>>> have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called 
>>> "hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which 
>>> introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a 
>>> bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where 
>>> "drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period more 
>>> or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  
>>> Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly 
>>> see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of 
>>> course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too commonplace 
>>> nowadays.  I would encourage anyone who has an inclination to pick up and 
>>> begin riding regular road bikes to do so.
>>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, 
 “Yes, that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my 
 mind. This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there 
 is 
 to know.

 I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when 
 I first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
 pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
 racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still 
 knowing 
 nothing! 

 Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike 
 community and suddenly it’s a whole new world 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Garth]

I don't know if this has been brought up but there's nothing stopping Leah 
from simply using a drop bar with an appropriate stem and saddle to go with 
the position. I can't speak to what bar heights/lengths are attainable, but 
I suspect with the smaller versions she has now, it would easy. Weight of 
the frame isn't nearly as important as it's portrayed to be, especially for 
low grades and short hills where you ride.The drag from the wind increases 
exponentially above about 12mph and there's always wind. Weight is easy to 
sell/concentrate on because it's a game of numbers, regardless of the 
efficacy of such. I'm not saying to ride a 50 pound bike, I'm saying given 
the type of parts we all ride here, there is sharp dropoff of very 
diminishing returns in spending lots of money so save weight. 

The point is if you want to familiarize with drop bars you don't need 
another bike to start. Plus they come in a huge range of how much reach and 
drop the bars may have. So don't get dismayed if one doesn't feel right off 
the bat. This way you can feel what it's like in your group rides with the 
same bike, just a different bar/position. 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 8:10:11 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Same conversation I have with my wife annually, sometimes semi-annually. 
> Haha
> Doug
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 9:36:01 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> My husband just now: Are you getting ANOTHER bike? 
>>
>> Me: Well…not necessarily. I have to weigh out all the pros and cons, you 
>> see.
>>
>> Him: I know how this ends. It ends with the Annual Bike Purchase of the 
>> Last Bike I’ll Ever Need.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2024, at 9:26 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>>
>> Tony, I swooned. Actually swooned. Gorgeous, gorgeous.
>>
>>
>> I rode the Mon Night Ride on my Racing Platy tonight. I was so 
>> apprehensive at the start because the winds were 13 mph with 21 mph gusts 
>> and it was open road. I should not be doing this, I thought. Where is my 
>> road bike?
>>
>> But it was the best ride. Did we have wind? Yes. But somehow it was great 
>> and energizing and we just killed it. I had done an intense upper body 
>> lifting session this morning and still it was great and not draining!
>>
>> Can I prove that to you?
>> No. 
>> My Apple Watch died on the ride.  郎 
>>
>> There were men I don’t know on the ride tonight, so of course I got 
>> comments. One of them said, “I hope you never get a road bike.”
>>
>> But I just might.
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:
>>
>> @Leah--Get one of these3x8 drivetrain, Nitto and Silver everywhere. 
>> Add a few bags and spend your weekends putting down mileageguaranteed 
>> to give you a million smiles and zero worries.
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 5:17:47 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Leah,
>>> Don't overthink this. It's hard to build an actual "bad" bike, and the 
>>> big names don't do it.
>>> There are bike that are too "special" in some way -- too slow- or 
>>> fast-handling, or whatever, but these are nuances. I can switch from a 
>>> crit-geometry racer to a tourer and by the end of the block, I stop 
>>> noticing it.
>>>
>>> Check out this ad:
>>>
>>> https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bid/d/grand-rapids-bike-sale-40-or-less/7731072255.html
>>>
>>> and go buy the ~51-52 cm red Centurion in the first picture.
>>> For $40, you'll have something to play with and see how the setup might 
>>> work for you.
>>> If it's rideable, it's hard to see how this is not a good idea, and if 
>>> Centurion built lousy bikes, I haven't heard of it.
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:35:58 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started 
 riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to 
 manual 
 for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling." 
  
 In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great 
 extent 
 to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks 
 back 
 then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling 
 have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called 
 "hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which 
 introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a 
 bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where 
 "drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period 
 more 
 or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  
 Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly 
 see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of 
 course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Doug H.]

Same conversation I have with my wife annually, sometimes semi-annually. 
Haha
Doug

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 9:36:01 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> My husband just now: Are you getting ANOTHER bike? 
>
> Me: Well…not necessarily. I have to weigh out all the pros and cons, you 
> see.
>
> Him: I know how this ends. It ends with the Annual Bike Purchase of the 
> Last Bike I’ll Ever Need.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2024, at 9:26 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> Tony, I swooned. Actually swooned. Gorgeous, gorgeous.
>
>
> I rode the Mon Night Ride on my Racing Platy tonight. I was so 
> apprehensive at the start because the winds were 13 mph with 21 mph gusts 
> and it was open road. I should not be doing this, I thought. Where is my 
> road bike?
>
> But it was the best ride. Did we have wind? Yes. But somehow it was great 
> and energizing and we just killed it. I had done an intense upper body 
> lifting session this morning and still it was great and not draining!
>
> Can I prove that to you?
> No. 
> My Apple Watch died on the ride.  郎 
>
> There were men I don’t know on the ride tonight, so of course I got 
> comments. One of them said, “I hope you never get a road bike.”
>
> But I just might.
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:
>
> @Leah--Get one of these3x8 drivetrain, Nitto and Silver everywhere. 
> Add a few bags and spend your weekends putting down mileageguaranteed 
> to give you a million smiles and zero worries.
> 
>
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 5:17:47 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>> Don't overthink this. It's hard to build an actual "bad" bike, and the 
>> big names don't do it.
>> There are bike that are too "special" in some way -- too slow- or 
>> fast-handling, or whatever, but these are nuances. I can switch from a 
>> crit-geometry racer to a tourer and by the end of the block, I stop 
>> noticing it.
>>
>> Check out this ad:
>>
>> https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bid/d/grand-rapids-bike-sale-40-or-less/7731072255.html
>>
>> and go buy the ~51-52 cm red Centurion in the first picture.
>> For $40, you'll have something to play with and see how the setup might 
>> work for you.
>> If it's rideable, it's hard to see how this is not a good idea, and if 
>> Centurion built lousy bikes, I haven't heard of it.
>>
>> cheers -mathias
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:35:58 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started 
>>> riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to manual 
>>> for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling."  
>>> In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great extent 
>>> to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks back 
>>> then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling 
>>> have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called 
>>> "hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which 
>>> introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a 
>>> bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where 
>>> "drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period more 
>>> or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  
>>> Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly 
>>> see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of 
>>> course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too commonplace 
>>> nowadays.  I would encourage anyone who has an inclination to pick up and 
>>> begin riding regular road bikes to do so.
>>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, 
 “Yes, that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my 
 mind. This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there 
 is 
 to know.

 I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when 
 I first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
 pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
 racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still 
 knowing 
 nothing! 

 Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike 
 community and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season 
 I 
 end up learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting 
 lots of people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot 
 further from home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a 
 metric century or enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m 
 hamstrung by my lack of experience. I always thought 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ted Durant]

> On Apr 22, 2024, at 8:35 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Him: I know how this ends. It ends with the Annual Bike Purchase of the Last 
> Bike I’ll Ever Need.
> 

Doesn’t he know about the n+1 theory of bicycles?

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

My husband just now: Are you getting ANOTHER bike? Me: Well…not necessarily. I have to weigh out all the pros and cons, you see.Him: I know how this ends. It ends with the Annual Bike Purchase of the Last Bike I’ll Ever Need.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 22, 2024, at 9:26 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:Tony, I swooned. Actually swooned. Gorgeous, gorgeous.I rode the Mon Night Ride on my Racing Platy tonight. I was so apprehensive at the start because the winds were 13 mph with 21 mph gusts and it was open road. I should not be doing this, I thought. Where is my road bike?But it was the best ride. Did we have wind? Yes. But somehow it was great and energizing and we just killed it. I had done an intense upper body lifting session this morning and still it was great and not draining!Can I prove that to you?No. My Apple Watch died on the ride.  郎 There were men I don’t know on the ride tonight, so of course I got comments. One of them said, “I hope you never get a road bike.”But I just might.LeahSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 22, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:@Leah--Get one of these3x8 drivetrain, Nitto and Silver everywhere. Add a few bags and spend your weekends putting down mileageguaranteed to give you a million smiles and zero worries.On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 5:17:47 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:Leah,Don't overthink this. It's hard to build an actual "bad" bike, and the big names don't do it.There are bike that are too "special" in some way -- too slow- or fast-handling, or whatever, but these are nuances. I can switch from a crit-geometry racer to a tourer and by the end of the block, I stop noticing it.Check out this ad:https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bid/d/grand-rapids-bike-sale-40-or-less/7731072255.htmland go buy the ~51-52 cm red Centurion in the first picture.For $40, you'll have something to play with and see how the setup might work for you.If it's rideable, it's hard to see how this is not a good idea, and if Centurion built lousy bikes, I haven't heard of it.cheers -mathiasOn Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:35:58 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to manual for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling."  In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great extent to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks back then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called "hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where "drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period more or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too commonplace nowadays.  I would encourage anyone who has an inclination to pick up and begin riding regular road bikes to do so.On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to know.I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing nothing! Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being uncomfortable. I fear screwing up 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ted Durant]

> On Apr 22, 2024, at 8:26 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
> 
> Tony, I swooned. Actually swooned. Gorgeous, gorgeous.
> 
It’s even better in person.

> But it was the best ride. Did we have wind? Yes. But somehow it was great and 
> energizing and we just killed it. I had done an intense upper body lifting 
> session this morning and still it was great and not draining!
> 

Nice. Double sessions. 

> There were men I don’t know on the ride tonight, so of course I got comments. 
> One of them said, “I hope you never get a road bike.”

The old back handed compliment. Well, you might pick up a little speed if 
you’re at the front of the peloton going into the wind, but in the pack or 
downwind I suspect you’ll find you’re riding the same speed at about the same 
effort. I’m looking forward to the ride report where you say you felt good at 
the front of the pack, kept your head down, set the internal metronome, and 
ticked away the miles, and when you sat up you realized there was nobody behind 
you.


Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA


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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

Tony, I swooned. Actually swooned. Gorgeous, gorgeous.I rode the Mon Night Ride on my Racing Platy tonight. I was so apprehensive at the start because the winds were 13 mph with 21 mph gusts and it was open road. I should not be doing this, I thought. Where is my road bike?But it was the best ride. Did we have wind? Yes. But somehow it was great and energizing and we just killed it. I had done an intense upper body lifting session this morning and still it was great and not draining!Can I prove that to you?No. My Apple Watch died on the ride.  郎 There were men I don’t know on the ride tonight, so of course I got comments. One of them said, “I hope you never get a road bike.”But I just might.LeahSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 22, 2024, at 8:41 PM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:@Leah--Get one of these3x8 drivetrain, Nitto and Silver everywhere. Add a few bags and spend your weekends putting down mileageguaranteed to give you a million smiles and zero worries.On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 5:17:47 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:Leah,Don't overthink this. It's hard to build an actual "bad" bike, and the big names don't do it.There are bike that are too "special" in some way -- too slow- or fast-handling, or whatever, but these are nuances. I can switch from a crit-geometry racer to a tourer and by the end of the block, I stop noticing it.Check out this ad:https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bid/d/grand-rapids-bike-sale-40-or-less/7731072255.htmland go buy the ~51-52 cm red Centurion in the first picture.For $40, you'll have something to play with and see how the setup might work for you.If it's rideable, it's hard to see how this is not a good idea, and if Centurion built lousy bikes, I haven't heard of it.cheers -mathiasOn Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:35:58 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to manual for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling."  In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great extent to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks back then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called "hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where "drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period more or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too commonplace nowadays.  I would encourage anyone who has an inclination to pick up and begin riding regular road bikes to do so.On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to know.I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing nothing! Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop bars and crashing in a peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on drop bars. I thought albastache might be a good compromise but heard they aren’t wrist-neutral and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But everything I do now scares me, so let’s go.Keep your replies 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Mathias Steiner]

Leah,
Don't overthink this. It's hard to build an actual "bad" bike, and the big 
names don't do it.
There are bike that are too "special" in some way -- too slow- or 
fast-handling, or whatever, but these are nuances. I can switch from a 
crit-geometry racer to a tourer and by the end of the block, I stop 
noticing it.

Check out this ad:
https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bid/d/grand-rapids-bike-sale-40-or-less/7731072255.html

and go buy the ~51-52 cm red Centurion in the first picture.
For $40, you'll have something to play with and see how the setup might 
work for you.
If it's rideable, it's hard to see how this is not a good idea, and if 
Centurion built lousy bikes, I haven't heard of it.

cheers -mathias

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:35:58 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started 
> riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to manual 
> for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling."  
> In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great extent 
> to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks back 
> then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling 
> have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called 
> "hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which 
> introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a 
> bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where 
> "drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period more 
> or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  
> Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly 
> see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of 
> course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too commonplace 
> nowadays.  I would encourage anyone who has an inclination to pick up and 
> begin riding regular road bikes to do so.
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, 
>> that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. 
>> This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to 
>> know.
>>
>> I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I 
>> first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
>> pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
>> racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing 
>> nothing! 
>>
>> Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community 
>> and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up 
>> learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of 
>> people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from 
>> home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or 
>> enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of 
>> experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It 
>> wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a 
>> rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the 
>> itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve 
>> been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start 
>> using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up 
>> what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a 
>> road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being 
>> uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop bars and crashing in a 
>> peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on drop bars. I thought 
>> albastache might be a good compromise but heard they aren’t wrist-neutral 
>> and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But everything I do now scares me, 
>> so let’s go.
>>
>> Keep your replies coming! I read every one, even if I don’t respond, I am 
>> definitely thinking about them and chatting with other RivSisters who have 
>> similar questions.
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Leah -
>>>
>>> I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are 
>>> very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I 
>>> have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and 
>>> Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes can 
>>> be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things like 
>>> trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the 
>>> handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[George Schick]

When you "cut to the chase" many of us old farts on this blog started 
riding bikes in a serious way back in the early 70's.  And the go-to manual 
for bikers back then was Eugene Sloane's "The Complete Book of Bicycling."  
In that excellent instruction manual, as it were, he went to a great extent 
to appeal to the use of "drop bars" (or simply road bars by most folks back 
then) for road riders.  Of course, many different developments in cycling 
have taken place since then, especially the introduction of the so-called 
"hybrid bikes" with flat bars and the "mountain bikes," both of which 
introduced different types of handlebars, tire types, and saddles.  It's a 
bit of a lament that the regular "road bike" of the previous decades where 
"drop bars," saddle types, gearing, tires, etc. of the previous period more 
or less disappeared in the advent of those unique biking configurations.  
Almost every time I venture out on a bike path around these parts I mostly 
see people riding bikes configured with a "hybrid" set up...unless, of 
course they're riding  e-bikes, which are becoming way too commonplace 
nowadays.  I would encourage anyone who has an inclination to pick up and 
begin riding regular road bikes to do so.
On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, 
> that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. 
> This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to 
> know.
>
> I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I 
> first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
> pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
> racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing 
> nothing! 
>
> Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community 
> and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up 
> learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of 
> people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from 
> home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or 
> enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of 
> experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It 
> wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a 
> rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the 
> itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve 
> been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start 
> using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up 
> what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a 
> road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being 
> uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop bars and crashing in a 
> peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on drop bars. I thought 
> albastache might be a good compromise but heard they aren’t wrist-neutral 
> and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But everything I do now scares me, 
> so let’s go.
>
> Keep your replies coming! I read every one, even if I don’t respond, I am 
> definitely thinking about them and chatting with other RivSisters who have 
> similar questions.
>
> Thanks for taking the time!
> Leah
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah -
>>
>> I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are 
>> very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I 
>> have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and 
>> Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes can 
>> be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things like 
>> trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the 
>> handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, and judge 
>> the handling and stability based on how a bike rides.
>>
>> All of my Rivs are rock-solid stable and handle exceptionally well. I 
>> know that the low center of gravity, trail and angles contribute to this. 
>> Stability and handling are very important to me because I ride lots of 
>> hills. Going uphill depends on gears, fitness and leg strength. The 
>> stability and handling come into play going downhill. Rivs provide a level 
>> of confidence I don't get on other bikes. You can be sure the bike will go 
>> where you point it.
>>
>> About Albastache and Mustache bars - I have five bikes (some of them 
>> Rivs) with Mustache and Albastache bars. I find I can get every bit as low 
>> on Mustache and Albastache bars as on drop bars. The rest of my bikes have 
>> drop bars. The main thing I like about drop bars is riding the hoods. On 
>> drops, I find 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Patrick Moore]

And Velouria has an April 2024 post!

Leah might want to read back issues of Lovely Bicycle; Velouria/Constance
had a similar bike journey, including Rivendells and customs, from cycling
urban Boston to brevets, IIRC.

On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 1:30 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> "I have to look up what “on the ramps” means. "
>
> Five hand-positions, defined and illustrated, by the lovely "Lovely
> Bicycle":
>
>
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/drop-bar-hand-positions-introduction.html
>
> BL in EC
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:16:35 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes,
>> that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind.
>> This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to
>> know.
>>
>> I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I
>> first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was
>> pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest
>> racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing
>> nothing!
>>
>> Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community
>> and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up
>> learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of
>> people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from
>> home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or
>> enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of
>> experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It
>> wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a
>> rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the
>> itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve
>> been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start
>> using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up
>> what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a
>> road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being
>> uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop bars and crashing in a
>> peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on drop bars. I thought
>> albastache might be a good compromise but heard they aren’t wrist-neutral
>> and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But everything I do now scares me,
>> so let’s go.
>>
>> Keep your replies coming! I read every one, even if I don’t respond, I am
>> definitely thinking about them and chatting with other RivSisters who have
>> similar questions.
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Leah -
>>>
>>> I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are
>>> very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I
>>> have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and
>>> Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes can
>>> be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things like
>>> trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the
>>> handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, and judge
>>> the handling and stability based on how a bike rides.
>>>
>>> All of my Rivs are rock-solid stable and handle exceptionally well. I
>>> know that the low center of gravity, trail and angles contribute to this.
>>> Stability and handling are very important to me because I ride lots of
>>> hills. Going uphill depends on gears, fitness and leg strength. The
>>> stability and handling come into play going downhill. Rivs provide a level
>>> of confidence I don't get on other bikes. You can be sure the bike will go
>>> where you point it.
>>>
>>> About Albastache and Mustache bars - I have five bikes (some of them
>>> Rivs) with Mustache and Albastache bars. I find I can get every bit as low
>>> on Mustache and Albastache bars as on drop bars. The rest of my bikes have
>>> drop bars. The main thing I like about drop bars is riding the hoods. On
>>> drops, I find there are primarily three hand positions: 1) on the hoods, 2)
>>> on the ramps (slightly farther back than on the hoods) and 3) on the flats
>>> on either side of the stem. I rarely get into the drops. With the
>>> Albastache and Mustache, I find I have more riding positions.
>>>
>>> Have fun on your road bike, whatever you get.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:07:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way
 here - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered.

 Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says
 they offer so many hand 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bill Lindsay]

"I have to look up what “on the ramps” means. "

Five hand-positions, defined and illustrated, by the lovely "Lovely 
Bicycle":

http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/drop-bar-hand-positions-introduction.html

BL in EC
On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 11:16:35 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, 
> that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. 
> This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to 
> know.
>
> I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I 
> first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
> pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
> racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing 
> nothing! 
>
> Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community 
> and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up 
> learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of 
> people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from 
> home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or 
> enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of 
> experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It 
> wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a 
> rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the 
> itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve 
> been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start 
> using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up 
> what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a 
> road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being 
> uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop bars and crashing in a 
> peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on drop bars. I thought 
> albastache might be a good compromise but heard they aren’t wrist-neutral 
> and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But everything I do now scares me, 
> so let’s go.
>
> Keep your replies coming! I read every one, even if I don’t respond, I am 
> definitely thinking about them and chatting with other RivSisters who have 
> similar questions.
>
> Thanks for taking the time!
> Leah
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah -
>>
>> I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are 
>> very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I 
>> have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and 
>> Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes can 
>> be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things like 
>> trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the 
>> handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, and judge 
>> the handling and stability based on how a bike rides.
>>
>> All of my Rivs are rock-solid stable and handle exceptionally well. I 
>> know that the low center of gravity, trail and angles contribute to this. 
>> Stability and handling are very important to me because I ride lots of 
>> hills. Going uphill depends on gears, fitness and leg strength. The 
>> stability and handling come into play going downhill. Rivs provide a level 
>> of confidence I don't get on other bikes. You can be sure the bike will go 
>> where you point it.
>>
>> About Albastache and Mustache bars - I have five bikes (some of them 
>> Rivs) with Mustache and Albastache bars. I find I can get every bit as low 
>> on Mustache and Albastache bars as on drop bars. The rest of my bikes have 
>> drop bars. The main thing I like about drop bars is riding the hoods. On 
>> drops, I find there are primarily three hand positions: 1) on the hoods, 2) 
>> on the ramps (slightly farther back than on the hoods) and 3) on the flats 
>> on either side of the stem. I rarely get into the drops. With the 
>> Albastache and Mustache, I find I have more riding positions.
>>
>> Have fun on your road bike, whatever you get.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:07:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way 
>>> here - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. 
>>>
>>> Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says 
>>> they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands 
>>> on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? 
>>>
>>> Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of 
>>> the bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar 
>>> offers? 
>>>
>>> I practiced tonight 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

All of these replies are interesting. And when I read one I think, “Yes, 
that’s right” and then read another which conflicts and change my mind. 
This is going to be a journey. I can’t even believe how much there is to 
know.

I’m later getting here than the rest of you, I think. It was 2012 when I 
first realized there were better bikes than the Walmart Schwinn I was 
pulling my preschoolers around with. I got a Betty Foy with the biggest 
racks and baskets money could buy and away we went. So happy! Still knowing 
nothing! 

Now those boys are in high school, and I live in a vibrant bike community 
and suddenly it’s a whole new world for me. Every riding season I end up 
learning and being stretched. I’m doing new kinds of rides, meeting lots of 
people, volunteering on bike committees, and venturing a lot further from 
home. 5 years ago I would never have believed I’d ride a metric century or 
enjoy club riding. This is all wonderful, but I’m hamstrung by my lack of 
experience. I always thought drop bars would have to be uncomfortable. It 
wasn’t until this thread that I even considered trying them. Are they a 
rite of passage? “Oh, you’ll never use them forever but just scratch the 
itch now so you can say you have.” Or are they the gold standard “They’ve 
been used for 100 years for good reason.” I worry I’m too late to start 
using them after all this time on albatross and Billies. I have to look up 
what “on the ramps” means. I don’t know what the “right” geometry is for a 
road bike belonging to a devoted Rivendell rider would be. I dread being 
uncomfortable. I fear screwing up with the new drop bars and crashing in a 
peloton. I have no idea what shifters I’d put on drop bars. I thought 
albastache might be a good compromise but heard they aren’t wrist-neutral 
and then that they are. So.Much.To.Know. But everything I do now scares me, 
so let’s go.

Keep your replies coming! I read every one, even if I don’t respond, I am 
definitely thinking about them and chatting with other RivSisters who have 
similar questions.

Thanks for taking the time!
Leah

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-4 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> Hi Leah -
>
> I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are 
> very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I 
> have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and 
> Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes can 
> be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things like 
> trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the 
> handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, and judge 
> the handling and stability based on how a bike rides.
>
> All of my Rivs are rock-solid stable and handle exceptionally well. I know 
> that the low center of gravity, trail and angles contribute to this. 
> Stability and handling are very important to me because I ride lots of 
> hills. Going uphill depends on gears, fitness and leg strength. The 
> stability and handling come into play going downhill. Rivs provide a level 
> of confidence I don't get on other bikes. You can be sure the bike will go 
> where you point it.
>
> About Albastache and Mustache bars - I have five bikes (some of them Rivs) 
> with Mustache and Albastache bars. I find I can get every bit as low on 
> Mustache and Albastache bars as on drop bars. The rest of my bikes have 
> drop bars. The main thing I like about drop bars is riding the hoods. On 
> drops, I find there are primarily three hand positions: 1) on the hoods, 2) 
> on the ramps (slightly farther back than on the hoods) and 3) on the flats 
> on either side of the stem. I rarely get into the drops. With the 
> Albastache and Mustache, I find I have more riding positions.
>
> Have fun on your road bike, whatever you get.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Corwin
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:07:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way here 
>> - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. 
>>
>> Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says 
>> they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands 
>> on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? 
>>
>> Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of the 
>> bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar 
>> offers? 
>>
>> I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. 
>> It felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or 
>> shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> This is going to be a fun thread. Please don't take a great volume of 
>> advice as condescending; I think that this thread will 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Corwin Zechar]

Hi Leah -

I would generally agree with what Ted said. Riding position and fit are 
very important. But I don't think that's the only criteria I would use. I 
have ten bikes. Five are Rivs. I have a Custom, Quickbeam, Roadeo, Ram and 
Hubbuhubbuh. I find that geometry is important in my riding. Some bikes can 
be more "twitchy" and/or less stable because of their geometry. Things like 
trail, head and seat tube angles and bottom bracket drop can affect the 
handling and stability of a bike. I don't get hung up on numbers, and judge 
the handling and stability based on how a bike rides.

All of my Rivs are rock-solid stable and handle exceptionally well. I know 
that the low center of gravity, trail and angles contribute to this. 
Stability and handling are very important to me because I ride lots of 
hills. Going uphill depends on gears, fitness and leg strength. The 
stability and handling come into play going downhill. Rivs provide a level 
of confidence I don't get on other bikes. You can be sure the bike will go 
where you point it.

About Albastache and Mustache bars - I have five bikes (some of them Rivs) 
with Mustache and Albastache bars. I find I can get every bit as low on 
Mustache and Albastache bars as on drop bars. The rest of my bikes have 
drop bars. The main thing I like about drop bars is riding the hoods. On 
drops, I find there are primarily three hand positions: 1) on the hoods, 2) 
on the ramps (slightly farther back than on the hoods) and 3) on the flats 
on either side of the stem. I rarely get into the drops. With the 
Albastache and Mustache, I find I have more riding positions.

Have fun on your road bike, whatever you get.

Regards,


Corwin
On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:07:47 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way here 
> - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. 
>
> Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says 
> they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands 
> on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? 
>
> Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of the 
> bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar 
> offers? 
>
> I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. It 
> felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or 
> shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 21, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> This is going to be a fun thread. Please don't take a great volume of 
> advice as condescending; I think that this thread will elicit a very large 
> amount of love for road bikes as a distinct genus of bicycle.
>
> I think you very particularly will benefit a great deal from the right 
> road bike and that once you get things basically sorted you will find that 
> you enjoy it immensely for the kind of riding you describe. There is a 
> perfection of fit and feel and a real pleasure in riding a well set up 
> traditional road bike -- I don't mean racing bike -- that you don't find 
> with other combinations of frame, saddle, bar, and their relative 
> positions. Really, this sort of setup on the right sort of frame is *more* 
> comfortable, 
> *more* natural, *more* pleasant for energetic riding than other setups; 
> at least, I've always found it so, and there's a reason why the traditional 
> road bike was developed so quickly after the chain-driven safety was 
> invented and why it has remained largely the same for going on for 150 
> years.
>
> Note: I don't say that *everyone* who rides energetically should have a 
> road bike, but everyone who does so and can try ought at least to give one 
> a try. Again, there is an efficiency and comfort -- really, a "fit" like 
> that of a custom suit or perfect tool -- offered by an intelligently spec'd 
> and set up road bike that, you don't -- or at least, *I don't,* -- get 
> with any other sort of bike.
>
> Me, based on my experience, I'd certainly start by keeping my eye out for 
> a used Roadeo or Riv Road or LongLow or Ram or Heron. But for the final and 
> perfect version, I'd not close my mind a priori to other makes. I am 
> guessing, but I would not be surprised if, after your usual rapid learning 
> cycle, this time with a road bike, you end up with a custom. My favorite 
> bike of all time out of several scores is a custom Riv Road, but I've owned 
> 2 other Riv Road customs plus a Ram (and the Sam) not to mention many other 
> road bikes, and I've sold them all on to finally get what for me is belated 
> perfection in the 2 Matthews customs  -- tho' these used the Rivs as 
> general design templates.
>
> I rode the gofast Riv fixie road bike to and from church today with the 
> usual annoying NE winds while inbound N and E and the usual SW winds on 
> return N and W. For the umpteen 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Adam Moss]

Another plus one for the Crust Lighting bolt. I’ve had a riv road, original 
Hillborne, Cheviot, and finally a Hunqapllar which is hopefully my forever 
bike. I recently picked up a Canti Lighting Bolt and it’s a lovely 
complement to my Hunq which is setup as an ATB. The LB is quick and 
responsive feeling and rides great with somewhat upright drops. It rides 
like a cousin to my riv. 

W

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ted Durant]

> On Apr 21, 2024, at 7:59 PM, RichS  wrote:
> 
> Leah, one more thought building on the Sam, Homer, Ram, etc. suggestions. The 
> periwinkle color samples Will showed in the Friday Riv newsletter strikes me 
> as a color that is right in your wheelhouse. I know one of the country bikes 
> is not at the top of your wanted list, but I believe you could build a 
> reasonably light (23-24lbs.?), zippy periwinkle Sam rolling on RH or 
> Continental 5000 32mm tires and you'd be at the front!
> 

FWIW, I am very happy with my 2 Sams as all-rounder road and trail bikes. I 
have them set up, position-wise, very much like my “road” bikes and with Noodle 
bars. I wouldn’t hesitate to take them on a group ride, though I probably 
wouldn’t try to hang with the 25mph club.  

One thing to be aware of as you compare options is that Grant likes shallow 
seat tube angles these days. That makes it a little trickier to compare the 
handlebar reach with other bikes. (Don’t get me started on the bike companies 
that are now publishing “effective seat tube angle”.) I decided to set up my 
Sams with a bit less reach than my other bikes, so the back of the handlebars 
is just beyond my fingertips, rather than an inch or two. I don’t think you 
need to go all the way down to 32mm tires to make it zippy. I have 48’s on mine 
and that might be overkill, but I bet 38’s would be super fast and agile. 
(Decreasing tire size reduces both pneumatic and geometric trail and it reduces 
rotational inertia, all of which makes a bike feel “zippier”.)

I saw the Periwinkle sample and am stupidly tempted to get a third Sam.

But I also understand the curiosity about a true road bike. My Heron and Riv 
Road and Waterford ST-22 have around 33,000 kms on them since 2017.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[RichS]

Leah, one more thought building on the Sam, Homer, Ram, etc. suggestions. 
The periwinkle color samples Will showed in the Friday Riv newsletter 
strikes me as a color that is right in your wheelhouse. I know one of the 
country bikes is not at the top of your wanted list, but I believe you 
could build a reasonably light (23-24lbs.?), zippy periwinkle Sam rolling 
on RH or Continental 5000 32mm tires and you'd be at the front!

Full disclosure: I have a Sam with 32mm Grand Bois Cypress tires:-))) Good 
luck and have fun with your search.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 5:42:41 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> Leah,
>
> Did I miss the part where you got a professional fitting somewhere local 
> to you and then ordered a Custom Riv Road just for you? Heck, you could 
> build a step thru custom Riv Road if you wanted! I bet that will be a 
> beautiful bike. 
> Yours, Riv Sister Liz 
>
> On Apr 21, 2024, at 14:29, Chris Halasz  wrote:
>
> I see many here of the relatively long torso to short inseam chromosomal 
> group recommending square frames (top tube similar to seat tube) 
> geometries. I wonder if that will work for Leah. 
>
>
> This never worked for my 5' 5" wife. The only non-custom dropped bar bike 
> she ever fit decently on was the smallest of the Bleriots (49cm?) with 650b 
> wheels to limit toe clip overlap (TCO), and that only worked with a 
> maximally extended 50mm Technomic stem. 
>
> We at one point purchased a Gunnar 50cm frame with nice short top tube. 
> Upon receiving the frame, I realized it had something like a 75 degree seat 
> tube, which would not work with my wife's long femurs, no matter the then 
> available setback seat posts. 
>
> So I recommend the *smallest* (i.e. shortest) sloping top tubed frame that 
> will elevate the bars as much as possible, and discount threadless 
> ahead-type forks and stems, allowing for plenty of elevation of the bars, 
> and recommend no larger that 650b wheels and not-too-chunky (38mm max) 
> tires to limit TCO. 
>
> (I also don't recommend a cyclocross frame unless you really like standing 
> over exposed top tube cables that are wiped clean by your shorts.)
>
> Unless, Leah, you have a long torso compared to your inseam, then you may 
> ignore! 
>
> And we all are anxious to see what you end up with. Personally? I'd love 
> to hear how you drop the whole pack on a custom-painted Roaduno. 
>
> Cheers 
>
> Chris
> SB, CA
>
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:20:57 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> As someone else said, skip the scruples and just try drop bars. They're 
>> *comfortable*, which is (I assert) the reason why they've been used for 
>> well over 100 years. 
>>
>> Riders don't use drops because their bars are positioned far too low; the 
>> hoods position on modern bikes is like the hooks position on "traditional" 
>> road bikes. 
>>
>> I've not used Albastaches but I've used many, many, Moustache bars and 
>> nope, not like drops. You might end up hating drops, but please try a few.
>>
>> Patrick "38 cm Maes Parallel road, 42 cm Maes Parallel dirt" Moore
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 3:07 PM Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way 
>>> here - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. 
>>>
>>> Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says 
>>> they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands 
>>> on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? 
>>>
>>> Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of 
>>> the bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar 
>>> offers? 
>>>
>>> I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. 
>>> It felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or 
>>> shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> This is going to be a fun thread. Please don't take a great volume of 
>>> advice as condescending; I think that this thread will elicit a very large 
>>> amount of love for road bikes as a distinct genus of bicycle.
>>>
>>> I think you very particularly will benefit a great deal from the right 
>>> road bike and that once you get things basically sorted you will find that 
>>> you enjoy it immensely for the kind of riding you describe. There is a 
>>> perfection of fit and feel and a real pleasure in riding a well set up 
>>> traditional road bike -- I don't mean racing bike -- that you don't find 
>>> with other combinations of frame, saddle, bar, and their relative 
>>> positions. Really, this sort of setup on the right sort of frame is 
>>> *more* comfortable, *more* natural, *more* pleasant for energetic 
>>> riding than other setups; at least, I've always found it so, and there's a 
>>> reason why the traditional road bike was developed so quickly 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[RichS]

Yet another thought Leah, building on the Sam, Homer, Ram, etc. 

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 5:42:41 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> Leah,
>
> Did I miss the part where you got a professional fitting somewhere local 
> to you and then ordered a Custom Riv Road just for you? Heck, you could 
> build a step thru custom Riv Road if you wanted! I bet that will be a 
> beautiful bike. 
> Yours, Riv Sister Liz 
>
> On Apr 21, 2024, at 14:29, Chris Halasz  wrote:
>
> I see many here of the relatively long torso to short inseam chromosomal 
> group recommending square frames (top tube similar to seat tube) 
> geometries. I wonder if that will work for Leah. 
>
>
> This never worked for my 5' 5" wife. The only non-custom dropped bar bike 
> she ever fit decently on was the smallest of the Bleriots (49cm?) with 650b 
> wheels to limit toe clip overlap (TCO), and that only worked with a 
> maximally extended 50mm Technomic stem. 
>
> We at one point purchased a Gunnar 50cm frame with nice short top tube. 
> Upon receiving the frame, I realized it had something like a 75 degree seat 
> tube, which would not work with my wife's long femurs, no matter the then 
> available setback seat posts. 
>
> So I recommend the *smallest* (i.e. shortest) sloping top tubed frame that 
> will elevate the bars as much as possible, and discount threadless 
> ahead-type forks and stems, allowing for plenty of elevation of the bars, 
> and recommend no larger that 650b wheels and not-too-chunky (38mm max) 
> tires to limit TCO. 
>
> (I also don't recommend a cyclocross frame unless you really like standing 
> over exposed top tube cables that are wiped clean by your shorts.)
>
> Unless, Leah, you have a long torso compared to your inseam, then you may 
> ignore! 
>
> And we all are anxious to see what you end up with. Personally? I'd love 
> to hear how you drop the whole pack on a custom-painted Roaduno. 
>
> Cheers 
>
> Chris
> SB, CA
>
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:20:57 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> As someone else said, skip the scruples and just try drop bars. They're 
>> *comfortable*, which is (I assert) the reason why they've been used for 
>> well over 100 years. 
>>
>> Riders don't use drops because their bars are positioned far too low; the 
>> hoods position on modern bikes is like the hooks position on "traditional" 
>> road bikes. 
>>
>> I've not used Albastaches but I've used many, many, Moustache bars and 
>> nope, not like drops. You might end up hating drops, but please try a few.
>>
>> Patrick "38 cm Maes Parallel road, 42 cm Maes Parallel dirt" Moore
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 3:07 PM Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way 
>>> here - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. 
>>>
>>> Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says 
>>> they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands 
>>> on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? 
>>>
>>> Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of 
>>> the bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar 
>>> offers? 
>>>
>>> I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. 
>>> It felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or 
>>> shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> This is going to be a fun thread. Please don't take a great volume of 
>>> advice as condescending; I think that this thread will elicit a very large 
>>> amount of love for road bikes as a distinct genus of bicycle.
>>>
>>> I think you very particularly will benefit a great deal from the right 
>>> road bike and that once you get things basically sorted you will find that 
>>> you enjoy it immensely for the kind of riding you describe. There is a 
>>> perfection of fit and feel and a real pleasure in riding a well set up 
>>> traditional road bike -- I don't mean racing bike -- that you don't find 
>>> with other combinations of frame, saddle, bar, and their relative 
>>> positions. Really, this sort of setup on the right sort of frame is 
>>> *more* comfortable, *more* natural, *more* pleasant for energetic 
>>> riding than other setups; at least, I've always found it so, and there's a 
>>> reason why the traditional road bike was developed so quickly after the 
>>> chain-driven safety was invented and why it has remained largely the same 
>>> for going on for 150 years.
>>>
>>> Note: I don't say that *everyone* who rides energetically should have a 
>>> road bike, but everyone who does so and can try ought at least to give one 
>>> a try. Again, there is an efficiency and comfort -- really, a "fit" like 
>>> that of a custom suit or perfect tool -- offered by an intelligently spec'd 
>>> and set up road bike that, you don't -- or at least, 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[luckyturnip]

Leah,Did I miss the part where you got a professional fitting somewhere local to you and then ordered a Custom Riv Road just for you? Heck, you could build a step thru custom Riv Road if you wanted! I bet that will be a beautiful bike. Yours, Riv Sister Liz On Apr 21, 2024, at 14:29, Chris Halasz  wrote:I see many here of the relatively long torso to short inseam chromosomal group recommending square frames (top tube similar to seat tube) geometries. I wonder if that will work for Leah. This never worked for my 5' 5" wife. The only non-custom dropped bar bike she ever fit decently on was the smallest of the Bleriots (49cm?) with 650b wheels to limit toe clip overlap (TCO), and that only worked with a maximally extended 50mm Technomic stem. We at one point purchased a Gunnar 50cm frame with nice short top tube. Upon receiving the frame, I realized it had something like a 75 degree seat tube, which would not work with my wife's long femurs, no matter the then available setback seat posts. So I recommend the *smallest* (i.e. shortest) sloping top tubed frame that will elevate the bars as much as possible, and discount threadless ahead-type forks and stems, allowing for plenty of elevation of the bars, and recommend no larger that 650b wheels and not-too-chunky (38mm max) tires to limit TCO. (I also don't recommend a cyclocross frame unless you really like standing over exposed top tube cables that are wiped clean by your shorts.)Unless, Leah, you have a long torso compared to your inseam, then you may ignore! And we all are anxious to see what you end up with. Personally? I'd love to hear how you drop the whole pack on a custom-painted Roaduno. Cheers ChrisSB, CAOn Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:20:57 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:As someone else said, skip the scruples and just try drop bars. They're comfortable, which is (I assert) the reason why they've been used for well over 100 years. Riders don't use drops because their bars are positioned far too low; the hoods position on modern bikes is like the hooks position on "traditional" road bikes. I've not used Albastaches but I've used many, many, Moustache bars and nope, not like drops. You might end up hating drops, but please try a few.Patrick "38 cm Maes Parallel road, 42 cm Maes Parallel dirt" MooreOn Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 3:07 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way here - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of the bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar offers? I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. It felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 21, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:This is going to be a fun thread. Please don't take a great volume of advice as condescending; I think that this thread will elicit a very large amount of love for road bikes as a distinct genus of bicycle.I think you very particularly will benefit a great deal from the right road bike and that once you get things basically sorted you will find that you enjoy it immensely for the kind of riding you describe. There is a perfection of fit and feel and a real pleasure in riding a well set up traditional road bike -- I don't mean racing bike -- that you don't find with other combinations of frame, saddle, bar, and their relative positions. Really, this sort of setup on the right sort of frame is more comfortable, more natural, more pleasant for energetic riding than other setups; at least, I've always found it so, and there's a reason why the traditional road bike was developed so quickly after the chain-driven safety was invented and why it has remained largely the same for going on for 150 years.Note: I don't say that everyone who rides energetically should have a road bike, but everyone who does so and can try ought at least to give one a try. Again, there is an efficiency and comfort -- really, a "fit" like that of a custom suit or perfect tool -- offered by an intelligently spec'd and set up road bike that, you don't -- or at least, I don't, -- get with any other sort of bike.Me, based on my experience, I'd certainly start by keeping my eye out for a used Roadeo or Riv Road or LongLow or Ram or Heron. But for the final and perfect version, I'd not close my mind a priori to other makes. I am guessing, but I would not be surprised if, after your usual rapid learning cycle, this time with a road bike, you end up with a custom. My favorite bike of all time out of several scores is a custom Riv Road, but I've owned 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[eddietheflay]

They look dorky but with the right height stem something like Soma Condor 2 
bars can make drops more comfy than ever. If they are high enough you can 
comfortably ride on the tops, hoods, or drops. I just replaced Billie bars 
on two bikes with Condors. Steering is less twitchy with hands in front of 
the steering axis and braking can be done from the hoods and the drops. 
Depending on your fit, I would guess these variables could be had with 
normal drops.

https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/condor-2-handlebar

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:29:24 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> I see many here of the relatively long torso to short inseam chromosomal 
> group recommending square frames (top tube similar to seat tube) 
> geometries. I wonder if that will work for Leah. 
>
> This never worked for my 5' 5" wife. The only non-custom dropped bar bike 
> she ever fit decently on was the smallest of the Bleriots (49cm?) with 650b 
> wheels to limit toe clip overlap (TCO), and that only worked with a 
> maximally extended 50mm Technomic stem. 
>
> We at one point purchased a Gunnar 50cm frame with nice short top tube. 
> Upon receiving the frame, I realized it had something like a 75 degree seat 
> tube, which would not work with my wife's long femurs, no matter the then 
> available setback seat posts. 
>
> So I recommend the *smallest* (i.e. shortest) sloping top tubed frame that 
> will elevate the bars as much as possible, and discount threadless 
> ahead-type forks and stems, allowing for plenty of elevation of the bars, 
> and recommend no larger that 650b wheels and not-too-chunky (38mm max) 
> tires to limit TCO. 
>
> (I also don't recommend a cyclocross frame unless you really like standing 
> over exposed top tube cables that are wiped clean by your shorts.)
>
> Unless, Leah, you have a long torso compared to your inseam, then you may 
> ignore! 
>
> And we all are anxious to see what you end up with. Personally? I'd love 
> to hear how you drop the whole pack on a custom-painted Roaduno. 
>
> Cheers 
>
> Chris
> SB, CA
>
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:20:57 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> As someone else said, skip the scruples and just try drop bars. They're 
>> *comfortable*, which is (I assert) the reason why they've been used for 
>> well over 100 years. 
>>
>> Riders don't use drops because their bars are positioned far too low; the 
>> hoods position on modern bikes is like the hooks position on "traditional" 
>> road bikes. 
>>
>> I've not used Albastaches but I've used many, many, Moustache bars and 
>> nope, not like drops. You might end up hating drops, but please try a few.
>>
>> Patrick "38 cm Maes Parallel road, 42 cm Maes Parallel dirt" Moore
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 3:07 PM Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way 
>>> here - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. 
>>>
>>> Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says 
>>> they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands 
>>> on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? 
>>>
>>> Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of 
>>> the bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar 
>>> offers? 
>>>
>>> I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. 
>>> It felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or 
>>> shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> This is going to be a fun thread. Please don't take a great volume of 
>>> advice as condescending; I think that this thread will elicit a very large 
>>> amount of love for road bikes as a distinct genus of bicycle.
>>>
>>> I think you very particularly will benefit a great deal from the right 
>>> road bike and that once you get things basically sorted you will find that 
>>> you enjoy it immensely for the kind of riding you describe. There is a 
>>> perfection of fit and feel and a real pleasure in riding a well set up 
>>> traditional road bike -- I don't mean racing bike -- that you don't find 
>>> with other combinations of frame, saddle, bar, and their relative 
>>> positions. Really, this sort of setup on the right sort of frame is 
>>> *more* comfortable, *more* natural, *more* pleasant for energetic 
>>> riding than other setups; at least, I've always found it so, and there's a 
>>> reason why the traditional road bike was developed so quickly after the 
>>> chain-driven safety was invented and why it has remained largely the same 
>>> for going on for 150 years.
>>>
>>> Note: I don't say that *everyone* who rides energetically should have a 
>>> road bike, but everyone who does so and can try ought at least to give one 
>>> a try. Again, there is an efficiency and comfort -- really, a "fit" like 
>>> 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Chris Halasz]

I see many here of the relatively long torso to short inseam chromosomal 
group recommending square frames (top tube similar to seat tube) 
geometries. I wonder if that will work for Leah. 

This never worked for my 5' 5" wife. The only non-custom dropped bar bike 
she ever fit decently on was the smallest of the Bleriots (49cm?) with 650b 
wheels to limit toe clip overlap (TCO), and that only worked with a 
maximally extended 50mm Technomic stem. 

We at one point purchased a Gunnar 50cm frame with nice short top tube. 
Upon receiving the frame, I realized it had something like a 75 degree seat 
tube, which would not work with my wife's long femurs, no matter the then 
available setback seat posts. 

So I recommend the *smallest* (i.e. shortest) sloping top tubed frame that 
will elevate the bars as much as possible, and discount threadless 
ahead-type forks and stems, allowing for plenty of elevation of the bars, 
and recommend no larger that 650b wheels and not-too-chunky (38mm max) 
tires to limit TCO. 

(I also don't recommend a cyclocross frame unless you really like standing 
over exposed top tube cables that are wiped clean by your shorts.)

Unless, Leah, you have a long torso compared to your inseam, then you may 
ignore! 

And we all are anxious to see what you end up with. Personally? I'd love to 
hear how you drop the whole pack on a custom-painted Roaduno. 

Cheers 

Chris
SB, CA

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:20:57 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> As someone else said, skip the scruples and just try drop bars. They're 
> *comfortable*, which is (I assert) the reason why they've been used for 
> well over 100 years. 
>
> Riders don't use drops because their bars are positioned far too low; the 
> hoods position on modern bikes is like the hooks position on "traditional" 
> road bikes. 
>
> I've not used Albastaches but I've used many, many, Moustache bars and 
> nope, not like drops. You might end up hating drops, but please try a few.
>
> Patrick "38 cm Maes Parallel road, 42 cm Maes Parallel dirt" Moore
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 3:07 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
>> I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way here 
>> - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. 
>>
>> Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says 
>> they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands 
>> on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? 
>>
>> Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of the 
>> bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar 
>> offers? 
>>
>> I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. 
>> It felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or 
>> shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> This is going to be a fun thread. Please don't take a great volume of 
>> advice as condescending; I think that this thread will elicit a very large 
>> amount of love for road bikes as a distinct genus of bicycle.
>>
>> I think you very particularly will benefit a great deal from the right 
>> road bike and that once you get things basically sorted you will find that 
>> you enjoy it immensely for the kind of riding you describe. There is a 
>> perfection of fit and feel and a real pleasure in riding a well set up 
>> traditional road bike -- I don't mean racing bike -- that you don't find 
>> with other combinations of frame, saddle, bar, and their relative 
>> positions. Really, this sort of setup on the right sort of frame is 
>> *more* comfortable, *more* natural, *more* pleasant for energetic riding 
>> than other setups; at least, I've always found it so, and there's a reason 
>> why the traditional road bike was developed so quickly after the 
>> chain-driven safety was invented and why it has remained largely the same 
>> for going on for 150 years.
>>
>> Note: I don't say that *everyone* who rides energetically should have a 
>> road bike, but everyone who does so and can try ought at least to give one 
>> a try. Again, there is an efficiency and comfort -- really, a "fit" like 
>> that of a custom suit or perfect tool -- offered by an intelligently spec'd 
>> and set up road bike that, you don't -- or at least, *I don't,* -- get 
>> with any other sort of bike.
>>
>> Me, based on my experience, I'd certainly start by keeping my eye out for 
>> a used Roadeo or Riv Road or LongLow or Ram or Heron. But for the final and 
>> perfect version, I'd not close my mind a priori to other makes. I am 
>> guessing, but I would not be surprised if, after your usual rapid learning 
>> cycle, this time with a road bike, you end up with a custom. My favorite 
>> bike of all time out of several scores is a custom Riv Road, but I've owned 
>> 2 other Riv Road customs plus a Ram (and the Sam) not to 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Patrick Moore]

As someone else said, skip the scruples and just try drop bars. They're
*comfortable*, which is (I assert) the reason why they've been used for
well over 100 years.

Riders don't use drops because their bars are positioned far too low; the
hoods position on modern bikes is like the hooks position on "traditional"
road bikes.

I've not used Albastaches but I've used many, many, Moustache bars and
nope, not like drops. You might end up hating drops, but please try a few.

Patrick "38 cm Maes Parallel road, 42 cm Maes Parallel dirt" Moore

On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 3:07 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way here
> - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered.
>
> Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says
> they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands
> on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions?
>
> Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of the
> bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar
> offers?
>
> I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. It
> felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or
> shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 21, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> This is going to be a fun thread. Please don't take a great volume of
> advice as condescending; I think that this thread will elicit a very large
> amount of love for road bikes as a distinct genus of bicycle.
>
> I think you very particularly will benefit a great deal from the right
> road bike and that once you get things basically sorted you will find that
> you enjoy it immensely for the kind of riding you describe. There is a
> perfection of fit and feel and a real pleasure in riding a well set up
> traditional road bike -- I don't mean racing bike -- that you don't find
> with other combinations of frame, saddle, bar, and their relative
> positions. Really, this sort of setup on the right sort of frame is *more* 
> comfortable,
> *more* natural, *more* pleasant for energetic riding than other setups;
> at least, I've always found it so, and there's a reason why the traditional
> road bike was developed so quickly after the chain-driven safety was
> invented and why it has remained largely the same for going on for 150
> years.
>
> Note: I don't say that *everyone* who rides energetically should have a
> road bike, but everyone who does so and can try ought at least to give one
> a try. Again, there is an efficiency and comfort -- really, a "fit" like
> that of a custom suit or perfect tool -- offered by an intelligently spec'd
> and set up road bike that, you don't -- or at least, *I don't,* -- get
> with any other sort of bike.
>
> Me, based on my experience, I'd certainly start by keeping my eye out for
> a used Roadeo or Riv Road or LongLow or Ram or Heron. But for the final and
> perfect version, I'd not close my mind a priori to other makes. I am
> guessing, but I would not be surprised if, after your usual rapid learning
> cycle, this time with a road bike, you end up with a custom. My favorite
> bike of all time out of several scores is a custom Riv Road, but I've owned
> 2 other Riv Road customs plus a Ram (and the Sam) not to mention many other
> road bikes, and I've sold them all on to finally get what for me is belated
> perfection in the 2 Matthews customs  -- tho' these used the Rivs as
> general design templates.
>
> I rode the gofast Riv fixie road bike to and from church today with the
> usual annoying NE winds while inbound N and E and the usual SW winds on
> return N and W. For the umpteen millionth time I remarked to myself at how
> pleasant it was to be able to drop "intuitively" into the hooks when
> turning into a wind, or to grab the long (Maes Parallel) ramps when
> pushing, butt-back and elbows bent, up an incline, or sitting up and
> holding the flats or the flat/ramp transition and spinning when the wind
> became a tailwind.
>
> I've certainly passed my speed demon days, but there remains a very
> distinct pleasure in riding energetically -- for me, particularly on hills
> and against winds -- on the perfectly set up road bike, and I have enough
> experience to know that I would not enjoy this nearly as much on anything
> else.
>
> *Bon chance!*
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 1:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell
>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the
>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is
>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great
>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be
>> ideal.
>>
>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Ted Durant]

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 4:07:47 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says 
they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands 
on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? 

Great question. Racers and wannabe racers as I noted set up their bikes 
with a big drop from saddle to bars and a shorter horizontal reach to the 
bars. And they spend almost all their time on the hoods. I roam all over 
the bars. Today's 100km somewhat hilly, fairly windy ride was a great 
example. Heading out into the wind I spent a fair amount of time on the 
drops and hoods, but I was not riding at a hard effort (averaged around 
22kph going out). Getting into the hills was a lot more time on the tops 
and the hoods, with a few standing climbs, working harder on the hills that 
got up to 15%. Coming home with a tail wind was a fair amount of time on 
the top curves, not riding too hard, enjoying the tail wind motor assist 
(and the net down hill). 
 

Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of the 
bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar 
offers? 


My experience has been that's not a great alternative. The wrist angles 
tend to be weird.
 

I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. It 
felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or 
shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving.


Understood! That's one reason why some people set up drop bars with 
cyclocross-inspired interrupter brake levers under the tops. I never have 
felt the need for that on road rides. If my hands are on the tops, I'm 
probably not going fast enough to need an immediate stop. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Leah Peterson]

I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way here - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of the bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar offers? I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. It felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 21, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:This is going to be a fun thread. Please don't take a great volume of advice as condescending; I think that this thread will elicit a very large amount of love for road bikes as a distinct genus of bicycle.I think you very particularly will benefit a great deal from the right road bike and that once you get things basically sorted you will find that you enjoy it immensely for the kind of riding you describe. There is a perfection of fit and feel and a real pleasure in riding a well set up traditional road bike -- I don't mean racing bike -- that you don't find with other combinations of frame, saddle, bar, and their relative positions. Really, this sort of setup on the right sort of frame is more comfortable, more natural, more pleasant for energetic riding than other setups; at least, I've always found it so, and there's a reason why the traditional road bike was developed so quickly after the chain-driven safety was invented and why it has remained largely the same for going on for 150 years.Note: I don't say that everyone who rides energetically should have a road bike, but everyone who does so and can try ought at least to give one a try. Again, there is an efficiency and comfort -- really, a "fit" like that of a custom suit or perfect tool -- offered by an intelligently spec'd and set up road bike that, you don't -- or at least, I don't, -- get with any other sort of bike.Me, based on my experience, I'd certainly start by keeping my eye out for a used Roadeo or Riv Road or LongLow or Ram or Heron. But for the final and perfect version, I'd not close my mind a priori to other makes. I am guessing, but I would not be surprised if, after your usual rapid learning cycle, this time with a road bike, you end up with a custom. My favorite bike of all time out of several scores is a custom Riv Road, but I've owned 2 other Riv Road customs plus a Ram (and the Sam) not to mention many other road bikes, and I've sold them all on to finally get what for me is belated perfection in the 2 Matthews customs  -- tho' these used the Rivs as general design templates.I rode the gofast Riv fixie road bike to and from church today with the usual annoying NE winds while inbound N and E and the usual SW winds on return N and W. For the umpteen millionth time I remarked to myself at how pleasant it was to be able to drop "intuitively" into the hooks when turning into a wind, or to grab the long (Maes Parallel) ramps when pushing, butt-back and elbows bent, up an incline, or sitting up and holding the flats or the flat/ramp transition and spinning when the wind became a tailwind. I've certainly passed my speed demon days, but there remains a very distinct pleasure in riding energetically -- for me, particularly on hills and against winds -- on the perfectly set up road bike, and I have enough experience to know that I would not enjoy this nearly as much on anything else.Bon chance!On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 1:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be ideal. Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the youngest and probably the most fit. Leah



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Patrick Moore]

This is going to be a fun thread. Please don't take a great volume of
advice as condescending; I think that this thread will elicit a very large
amount of love for road bikes as a distinct genus of bicycle.

I think you very particularly will benefit a great deal from the right road
bike and that once you get things basically sorted you will find that you
enjoy it immensely for the kind of riding you describe. There is a
perfection of fit and feel and a real pleasure in riding a well set up
traditional road bike -- I don't mean racing bike -- that you don't find
with other combinations of frame, saddle, bar, and their relative
positions. Really, this sort of setup on the right sort of frame is
*more* comfortable,
*more* natural, *more* pleasant for energetic riding than other setups; at
least, I've always found it so, and there's a reason why the traditional
road bike was developed so quickly after the chain-driven safety was
invented and why it has remained largely the same for going on for 150
years.

Note: I don't say that *everyone* who rides energetically should have a
road bike, but everyone who does so and can try ought at least to give one
a try. Again, there is an efficiency and comfort -- really, a "fit" like
that of a custom suit or perfect tool -- offered by an intelligently spec'd
and set up road bike that, you don't -- or at least, *I don't,* -- get with
any other sort of bike.

Me, based on my experience, I'd certainly start by keeping my eye out for a
used Roadeo or Riv Road or LongLow or Ram or Heron. But for the final and
perfect version, I'd not close my mind a priori to other makes. I am
guessing, but I would not be surprised if, after your usual rapid learning
cycle, this time with a road bike, you end up with a custom. My favorite
bike of all time out of several scores is a custom Riv Road, but I've owned
2 other Riv Road customs plus a Ram (and the Sam) not to mention many other
road bikes, and I've sold them all on to finally get what for me is belated
perfection in the 2 Matthews customs  -- tho' these used the Rivs as
general design templates.

I rode the gofast Riv fixie road bike to and from church today with the
usual annoying NE winds while inbound N and E and the usual SW winds on
return N and W. For the umpteen millionth time I remarked to myself at how
pleasant it was to be able to drop "intuitively" into the hooks when
turning into a wind, or to grab the long (Maes Parallel) ramps when
pushing, butt-back and elbows bent, up an incline, or sitting up and
holding the flats or the flat/ramp transition and spinning when the wind
became a tailwind.

I've certainly passed my speed demon days, but there remains a very
distinct pleasure in riding energetically -- for me, particularly on hills
and against winds -- on the perfectly set up road bike, and I have enough
experience to know that I would not enjoy this nearly as much on anything
else.

*Bon chance!*


On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 1:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be
> ideal.
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a
> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what
> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before.
> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly.
>
> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does take
> a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach stem
> which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out of me.
> I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate was in
> the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed it was a
> hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m the
> youngest and probably the most fit.
>
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Jay Lonner]

Interestingly I just went through a similar process, and considered many of the bikes already mentioned (Roadini, Lightning Bolt, Pescadero). I wound up buying a Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross. It just arrived last week and I’m gathering parts for the build. The plan is drop bars, SRAM Eagle 1x12 drivetrain, RH Snoqualmie Pass tires with the new RH TPU tubes (so I’m following that thread with interest too). What sold me on the Monstercross are the canti studs (I don’t care for centerpull brakes) and brazeons for a rando rack. BB is a little higher than comparable bikes, which isn’t surprising for bike with cyclocross DNA, but I’m hoping it will work out for more spirited road rides while still able to handle non-technical singletrack. But then I read Diana H.’s epic bikepacking trip reports on her Platypus and it makes me think that I’m probably overthinking things (I’m prone to that) and that Lance was right — it’s not about the bike. But it is fun to experiment!Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Apr 21, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Mathias Steiner  wrote:Forgot to say:If there's a co-op nearby, you'll find kindred spirits and a likely a few bicycles to try. Not a bad place to start the search for something used. On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 11:51:03 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:I haven't seen the Gallop's geometry,. Can you post it?As for Leah's original question, my wife rode a Cheviot but after she rode my son's Roadini to work a few weeks she decided that she really liked the Roadini better.We're still vainly hunting for a 50cm Roadini, but the other bikes I'm considering are the Ritchey Logic Road (max 30mm tires, short chainstays), the Crust Malochio (mismatched brakes are putting me off but what's worse is that it has 650b wheels in her sizes which limits choice of fast tires), and the Soma Pescadero (compromised handling geometry compared with the Roadini). We'll probably have to decide this summer as to whether to wait for the Roadini or go for a Gallop. One more option is the R Cycles Rainier. All of these bikes would be bikes I would buy frame only because the Bay Area has specific riding needs that default drivetrains made for flat country are worthless for.On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 8:42:48 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:- "Would they love it as a road bike? Or is it kind of all-purpose? Thanks!"Rivendell makes stuff to be pretty flexible so even the Roadeo "could" be built out to be kind of all-purpose but the geometry and intent of the Gallop is to be a road frame that replaces the Roadini. My prototype is pretty light and very lively. I assume the production ones will be as well because the geometry should be the same it just has a straight bar vs a swoop. I think while its not a step through the angled bar will allow it to be more flexible with fitting.On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM UTC-4 leva...@gmail.com wrote:Hi Leah!I think you would dig a Crust Canti-Lightning Bolt as a complementary addition to your wonderful stable of Rivs - not only for the ride quality, but you can get a cool Lilac (with pink graphics) or Light Sea Green frame in your size now.  I own this bike, and it is light, quick, and fun to ride, and can easily accommodate up to a 650B x 48 tire.  But wait there’s more….in older Riv road bike style, the Canti-Bolts have flat top tubes, threaded headsets, and a gorgeous curved fork.  This is a low-trail Rando bike for sure - even the 650B wheels, etc.  This is a fun bike!  I’m a Riv head for sure, but I really enjoy a long faster road ride on the Crust every now and then.  Crustbikes.comGood luck in your search,GuyOn Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 7:01:14 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:Good morning Leah,I’m not sure where I read it but apparently Grant had at one point been a fan of Mercians.A few years after I bought and built up my 650B Homer I found a used Mercian KOM on Craigslist. I’ve since picked up another off the list and had one purpose built for me. Very comfortable and fast. Some thing to consider.Cheers,David On Apr 21, 2024, at 12:17 AM, Josiah Anderson  wrote:Hi Leah,I'm also excited to hear about your journey towards a road bike; you probably don't know it but your writing on this list was one of my main influences towards ending up with a Riv. Drop bars and pavement are very familiar, comfortable territory for me, and – like others have said here – I still enjoy that type of riding at times.You're probably already familiar with him, but if not, I'd recommend checking out some of Jan Heine's work – Bicycle Quarterly, The All-Road Bike Revolution, his blog, etc. Bicycle Quarterly was my point of departure from "mainstream" bike culture, and I came around to appreciating Riv a bit later and now enjoy both approaches for different rides. Jan is much more focused on speed than Grant is, but in what feels to me like a healthy way. This is an old blog post that I think may be worth a read, as it's an articulation of the same sort of 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Mathias Steiner]

Forgot to say:
If there's a co-op nearby, you'll find kindred spirits and a likely a few 
bicycles to try. Not a bad place to start the search for something used. 

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 11:51:03 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I haven't seen the Gallop's geometry,. Can you post it?
>
> As for Leah's original question, my wife rode a Cheviot but after she rode 
> my son's Roadini to work a few weeks she decided that she really liked the 
> Roadini better.
>
> We're still vainly hunting for a 50cm Roadini, but the other bikes I'm 
> considering are the Ritchey Logic Road (max 30mm tires, short chainstays), 
> the Crust Malochio (mismatched brakes are putting me off but what's worse 
> is that it has 650b wheels in her sizes which limits choice of fast tires), 
> and the Soma Pescadero (compromised handling geometry compared with the 
> Roadini). We'll probably have to decide this summer as to whether to wait 
> for the Roadini or go for a Gallop. One more option is the R Cycles 
> Rainier. All of these bikes would be bikes I would buy frame only because 
> the Bay Area has specific riding needs that default drivetrains made for 
> flat country are worthless for.
>
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 8:42:48 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> *- "Would they love it as a road bike? Or is it kind of all-purpose? 
>> Thanks!"*
>>
>> Rivendell makes stuff to be pretty flexible so even the Roadeo "could" be 
>> built out to be kind of all-purpose but the geometry and intent of the 
>> Gallop is to be a road frame that replaces the Roadini. My prototype is 
>> pretty light and very lively. I assume the production ones will be as well 
>> because the geometry should be the same it just has a straight bar vs a 
>> swoop. I think while its not a step through the angled bar will allow it to 
>> be more flexible with fitting.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM UTC-4 leva...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Leah!
>>>
>>> I think you would dig a Crust Canti-Lightning Bolt as a complementary 
>>> addition to your wonderful stable of Rivs - not only for the ride quality, 
>>> but you can get a cool Lilac (with pink graphics) or Light Sea Green frame 
>>> in your size now.  I own this bike, and it is light, quick, and fun to 
>>> ride, and can easily accommodate up to a 650B x 48 tire.  But wait there’s 
>>> more….in older Riv road bike style, the Canti-Bolts have flat top tubes, 
>>> threaded headsets, and a gorgeous curved fork.  This is a low-trail Rando 
>>> bike for sure - even the 650B wheels, etc.  This is a fun bike!  I’m a Riv 
>>> head for sure, but I really enjoy a long faster road ride on the Crust 
>>> every now and then.  
>>>
>>> Crustbikes.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck in your search,
>>>
>>> Guy
>>> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 7:01:14 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>>>
 Good morning Leah,
 I’m not sure where I read it but apparently Grant had at one point been 
 a fan of Mercians.
 A few years after I bought and built up my 650B Homer I found a used 
 Mercian KOM on Craigslist. I’ve since picked up another off the list and 
 had one purpose built for me. Very comfortable and fast. Some thing to 
 consider.

 Cheers,
 David 

 On Apr 21, 2024, at 12:17 AM, Josiah Anderson  
 wrote:

 Hi Leah,

 I'm also excited to hear about your journey towards a road bike; you 
 probably don't know it but your writing on this list was one of my main 
 influences towards ending up with a Riv. Drop bars and pavement are very 
 familiar, comfortable territory for me, and – like others have said here – 
 I still enjoy that type of riding at times.

 You're probably already familiar with him, but if not, I'd recommend 
 checking out some of Jan Heine's work – Bicycle Quarterly, *The 
 All-Road Bike Revolution,* his blog, etc. Bicycle Quarterly was my 
 point of departure from "mainstream" bike culture, and I came around to 
 appreciating Riv a bit later and now enjoy both approaches for different 
 rides. Jan is much more focused on speed than Grant is, but in what feels 
 to me like a healthy way. This is an old blog post that I think may be 
 worth a read, as it's an articulation of the same sort of perspective you 
 seem to be arriving at: 
 https://www.renehersecycles.com/riding-fast-is-fun/. Jan also wrote 
 somewhere (can't find it right now) about how he and Grant are good 
 friends, and he wanted to make it clear he's not dissing Riv by promoting 
 what he likes.

 I currently have two of what I'd call "really nice" bikes, a Gus 
 Boots-Willsen and a Crust Lightning Bolt (alongside moderately nice bikes 
 like a Bridgestone MB-3 and a dumpster-find Bianchi Volpe). The Gus is 
 "full-Riv" – friction shifting, Carradice saddlebag, weird bar wrap, etc – 
 and the Crust is full Bicycle Quarterly, with 42mm extralight tires, 
 low-trail geometry, Gilles 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Piaw Na]

I haven't seen the Gallop's geometry,. Can you post it?

As for Leah's original question, my wife rode a Cheviot but after she rode 
my son's Roadini to work a few weeks she decided that she really liked the 
Roadini better.

We're still vainly hunting for a 50cm Roadini, but the other bikes I'm 
considering are the Ritchey Logic Road (max 30mm tires, short chainstays), 
the Crust Malochio (mismatched brakes are putting me off but what's worse 
is that it has 650b wheels in her sizes which limits choice of fast tires), 
and the Soma Pescadero (compromised handling geometry compared with the 
Roadini). We'll probably have to decide this summer as to whether to wait 
for the Roadini or go for a Gallop. One more option is the R Cycles 
Rainier. All of these bikes would be bikes I would buy frame only because 
the Bay Area has specific riding needs that default drivetrains made for 
flat country are worthless for.

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 8:42:48 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> *- "Would they love it as a road bike? Or is it kind of all-purpose? 
> Thanks!"*
>
> Rivendell makes stuff to be pretty flexible so even the Roadeo "could" be 
> built out to be kind of all-purpose but the geometry and intent of the 
> Gallop is to be a road frame that replaces the Roadini. My prototype is 
> pretty light and very lively. I assume the production ones will be as well 
> because the geometry should be the same it just has a straight bar vs a 
> swoop. I think while its not a step through the angled bar will allow it to 
> be more flexible with fitting.
>
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM UTC-4 leva...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah!
>>
>> I think you would dig a Crust Canti-Lightning Bolt as a complementary 
>> addition to your wonderful stable of Rivs - not only for the ride quality, 
>> but you can get a cool Lilac (with pink graphics) or Light Sea Green frame 
>> in your size now.  I own this bike, and it is light, quick, and fun to 
>> ride, and can easily accommodate up to a 650B x 48 tire.  But wait there’s 
>> more….in older Riv road bike style, the Canti-Bolts have flat top tubes, 
>> threaded headsets, and a gorgeous curved fork.  This is a low-trail Rando 
>> bike for sure - even the 650B wheels, etc.  This is a fun bike!  I’m a Riv 
>> head for sure, but I really enjoy a long faster road ride on the Crust 
>> every now and then.  
>>
>> Crustbikes.com
>>
>>
>> Good luck in your search,
>>
>> Guy
>> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 7:01:14 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning Leah,
>>> I’m not sure where I read it but apparently Grant had at one point been 
>>> a fan of Mercians.
>>> A few years after I bought and built up my 650B Homer I found a used 
>>> Mercian KOM on Craigslist. I’ve since picked up another off the list and 
>>> had one purpose built for me. Very comfortable and fast. Some thing to 
>>> consider.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> David 
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2024, at 12:17 AM, Josiah Anderson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Leah,
>>>
>>> I'm also excited to hear about your journey towards a road bike; you 
>>> probably don't know it but your writing on this list was one of my main 
>>> influences towards ending up with a Riv. Drop bars and pavement are very 
>>> familiar, comfortable territory for me, and – like others have said here – 
>>> I still enjoy that type of riding at times.
>>>
>>> You're probably already familiar with him, but if not, I'd recommend 
>>> checking out some of Jan Heine's work – Bicycle Quarterly, *The 
>>> All-Road Bike Revolution,* his blog, etc. Bicycle Quarterly was my 
>>> point of departure from "mainstream" bike culture, and I came around to 
>>> appreciating Riv a bit later and now enjoy both approaches for different 
>>> rides. Jan is much more focused on speed than Grant is, but in what feels 
>>> to me like a healthy way. This is an old blog post that I think may be 
>>> worth a read, as it's an articulation of the same sort of perspective you 
>>> seem to be arriving at: 
>>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/riding-fast-is-fun/. Jan also wrote 
>>> somewhere (can't find it right now) about how he and Grant are good 
>>> friends, and he wanted to make it clear he's not dissing Riv by promoting 
>>> what he likes.
>>>
>>> I currently have two of what I'd call "really nice" bikes, a Gus 
>>> Boots-Willsen and a Crust Lightning Bolt (alongside moderately nice bikes 
>>> like a Bridgestone MB-3 and a dumpster-find Bianchi Volpe). The Gus is 
>>> "full-Riv" – friction shifting, Carradice saddlebag, weird bar wrap, etc – 
>>> and the Crust is full Bicycle Quarterly, with 42mm extralight tires, 
>>> low-trail geometry, Gilles Berthoud handlebar bag, and all that. (Jan is 
>>> not affiliated with Crust, but Crust designed the Lightning Bolt with his 
>>> preferences in mind). The two bikes are a perfect combination for my 
>>> current riding: there is enough crossover that both work great for 
>>> doubletrack rides, and the Gus is ideal for riding singletrack while the 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Mathias Steiner]

Hi Leah,

Your thread has generated a remarkable amount of discussion. 

Before I get wordy: you said you didn't know what your 'standover' height 
was... it's your PBH minus whatever margin you're comfortable with. I've 
ridden bikes where that margin was zero, and didn't worry about it, but I'd 
go for around an inch of clearance if I started from scratch. Taller frames 
make it easier to get the bars to saddle height without looking goofy, so 
somethimes a cm is fine, too. 

I'm chiming in because I've been on a similar bent for some years now, 
where every year I grab a bike or frame, fit it up to suit me, and then 
ride it throughout the season, looking for light & fast. 

I would second (third?) Bill's suggestion to look for a used road bike to 
figure out what you like. Nothing wrong with aluminum, either, though steel 
is always classy. If steel, stick with the good stuff, Reynolds 531 or 
Columbus SL/SLX or Tange #1 or ...

Riding drop bars takes getting used to, but I want nothing else for long 
days in the saddle. Three separate hand positions on top, leading to the 
three levels of 'bent over' is good for the back, plus you can hit the 
drops to get out of the wind somewhat.

Before you get locked in on a specific type or model, I would pick a few 
criteria first: fit, meaning how bent over do you want to be, and where do 
you want the saddle in relation to he crank? Next, tires. I'm not far from 
you in Michigan, and I really like tires that are 30+ mm for our crappy 
roads. I would not ride 23s, though 28s are ok on pavement, if marginal for 
light dirt. Weight is a distant third consideration; lighter is better, but 
other than avoiding boat anchors, I wouldn't worry too much about it. No 
gas pipe, no full-on tourers.

I'm a touring bike guy, but my recent experience includes a '97 Cannondale 
R200 (26 mm tires, measured), a 1987 ST600 (30 mm), and a 1981 Motobécane 
Grand Touring (30 mm). The R200 was the lightest, and I liked riding it 
despite the reputed twitchy/criterium geometry, but the  ST somehow seems 
the most eager of all the bikes I've tried. Lightweight and stiff frame, 
'sport touring' geometry, traditional steel fork, and the 700x32 Conti 
GP5000 tires are comfortable and fast and have given me no flats in a few 
thousand miles of riding. The Moto is fun but seems a little slower; I 
think it's the tires -- Pasela 27x1 1/4 vs. the Continentals.

Once you know what you like, you can then properly size whatever Rivendell 
you would like for fast road rides. Given the expense, you wouldn't want to 
guess and do it twice. 

My touring bikes are super stiff, as they should be, and while I like 
riding them, the lively feel of a road bike makes for a different 
experience. I have nothing measured, and I have a hard time describing it, 
or even understanding it. It's not like my Cannondale ST frame isn't stiff; 
maybe it's the fork on the ST that gives it its ride, but a lot of people 
prize them. Alu frames with steel forks were common around 1990, and are a 
good choice. Get thee to bikeforums.net, and you'll find any number of 
models described -- and for sale -- in the classic & vintage forums.

I'm in the process of building 1978 Trek 710 as this year's bike. I have 
high hopes.

cheers -mathias 


On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 11:42:48 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> *- "Would they love it as a road bike? Or is it kind of all-purpose? 
> Thanks!"*
>
> Rivendell makes stuff to be pretty flexible so even the Roadeo "could" be 
> built out to be kind of all-purpose but the geometry and intent of the 
> Gallop is to be a road frame that replaces the Roadini. My prototype is 
> pretty light and very lively. I assume the production ones will be as well 
> because the geometry should be the same it just has a straight bar vs a 
> swoop. I think while its not a step through the angled bar will allow it to 
> be more flexible with fitting.
>
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM UTC-4 leva...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Leah!
>>
>> I think you would dig a Crust Canti-Lightning Bolt as a complementary 
>> addition to your wonderful stable of Rivs - not only for the ride quality, 
>> but you can get a cool Lilac (with pink graphics) or Light Sea Green frame 
>> in your size now.  I own this bike, and it is light, quick, and fun to 
>> ride, and can easily accommodate up to a 650B x 48 tire.  But wait there’s 
>> more….in older Riv road bike style, the Canti-Bolts have flat top tubes, 
>> threaded headsets, and a gorgeous curved fork.  This is a low-trail Rando 
>> bike for sure - even the 650B wheels, etc.  This is a fun bike!  I’m a Riv 
>> head for sure, but I really enjoy a long faster road ride on the Crust 
>> every now and then.  
>>
>> Crustbikes.com
>>
>>
>> Good luck in your search,
>>
>> Guy
>> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 7:01:14 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning Leah,
>>> I’m not sure where I read it but apparently Grant had at one point been 
>>> a fan of 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Johnny Alien]

*- "Would they love it as a road bike? Or is it kind of all-purpose? 
Thanks!"*

Rivendell makes stuff to be pretty flexible so even the Roadeo "could" be 
built out to be kind of all-purpose but the geometry and intent of the 
Gallop is to be a road frame that replaces the Roadini. My prototype is 
pretty light and very lively. I assume the production ones will be as well 
because the geometry should be the same it just has a straight bar vs a 
swoop. I think while its not a step through the angled bar will allow it to 
be more flexible with fitting.

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 11:07:13 AM UTC-4 leva...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Leah!
>
> I think you would dig a Crust Canti-Lightning Bolt as a complementary 
> addition to your wonderful stable of Rivs - not only for the ride quality, 
> but you can get a cool Lilac (with pink graphics) or Light Sea Green frame 
> in your size now.  I own this bike, and it is light, quick, and fun to 
> ride, and can easily accommodate up to a 650B x 48 tire.  But wait there’s 
> more….in older Riv road bike style, the Canti-Bolts have flat top tubes, 
> threaded headsets, and a gorgeous curved fork.  This is a low-trail Rando 
> bike for sure - even the 650B wheels, etc.  This is a fun bike!  I’m a Riv 
> head for sure, but I really enjoy a long faster road ride on the Crust 
> every now and then.  
>
> Crustbikes.com
>
>
> Good luck in your search,
>
> Guy
> On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 7:01:14 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:
>
>> Good morning Leah,
>> I’m not sure where I read it but apparently Grant had at one point been a 
>> fan of Mercians.
>> A few years after I bought and built up my 650B Homer I found a used 
>> Mercian KOM on Craigslist. I’ve since picked up another off the list and 
>> had one purpose built for me. Very comfortable and fast. Some thing to 
>> consider.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David 
>>
>> On Apr 21, 2024, at 12:17 AM, Josiah Anderson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Leah,
>>
>> I'm also excited to hear about your journey towards a road bike; you 
>> probably don't know it but your writing on this list was one of my main 
>> influences towards ending up with a Riv. Drop bars and pavement are very 
>> familiar, comfortable territory for me, and – like others have said here – 
>> I still enjoy that type of riding at times.
>>
>> You're probably already familiar with him, but if not, I'd recommend 
>> checking out some of Jan Heine's work – Bicycle Quarterly, *The All-Road 
>> Bike Revolution,* his blog, etc. Bicycle Quarterly was my point of 
>> departure from "mainstream" bike culture, and I came around to appreciating 
>> Riv a bit later and now enjoy both approaches for different rides. Jan is 
>> much more focused on speed than Grant is, but in what feels to me like a 
>> healthy way. This is an old blog post that I think may be worth a read, as 
>> it's an articulation of the same sort of perspective you seem to be 
>> arriving at: https://www.renehersecycles.com/riding-fast-is-fun/. Jan 
>> also wrote somewhere (can't find it right now) about how he and Grant are 
>> good friends, and he wanted to make it clear he's not dissing Riv by 
>> promoting what he likes.
>>
>> I currently have two of what I'd call "really nice" bikes, a Gus 
>> Boots-Willsen and a Crust Lightning Bolt (alongside moderately nice bikes 
>> like a Bridgestone MB-3 and a dumpster-find Bianchi Volpe). The Gus is 
>> "full-Riv" – friction shifting, Carradice saddlebag, weird bar wrap, etc – 
>> and the Crust is full Bicycle Quarterly, with 42mm extralight tires, 
>> low-trail geometry, Gilles Berthoud handlebar bag, and all that. (Jan is 
>> not affiliated with Crust, but Crust designed the Lightning Bolt with his 
>> preferences in mind). The two bikes are a perfect combination for my 
>> current riding: there is enough crossover that both work great for 
>> doubletrack rides, and the Gus is ideal for riding singletrack while the 
>> Crust excels at long, fast road and gravel rides. Rivendell doesn't make 
>> randonneur bikes like my Crust, as it sounds to me like they don't like the 
>> lighter-gauge tubing and the handling optimized for drop bars and moderate 
>> front loads, but Grant has written (quoting from memory, so hopefully I'm 
>> pretty close here) that he's glad companies like Crust exist and do 
>> different stuff from Riv. I don't feel like riding my Crust is an insult to 
>> Rivendell, just an expression of the fact that my riding conditions are a 
>> bit different from theirs, though I totally get it if that's how it feels 
>> to you. 
>>
>> I've never ridden a Roadeo or Roadini, but I've ridden a LOT of road race 
>> and "sport-touring" bikes from the 1960s through 2000s, many of which (like 
>> early 80s Trek sport tourers, one of my main rides for a long time) have a 
>> lot of similarities to the Roadeo. I prefer my Crust for several reasons: 
>> it's designed for bigger tires, which when they're René Herse Extralights 
>> are just as fast as 23mm tubulars and far more 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Guy LeVan]

Hi Leah!

I think you would dig a Crust Canti-Lightning Bolt as a complementary 
addition to your wonderful stable of Rivs - not only for the ride quality, 
but you can get a cool Lilac (with pink graphics) or Light Sea Green frame 
in your size now.  I own this bike, and it is light, quick, and fun to 
ride, and can easily accommodate up to a 650B x 48 tire.  But wait there’s 
more….in older Riv road bike style, the Canti-Bolts have flat top tubes, 
threaded headsets, and a gorgeous curved fork.  This is a low-trail Rando 
bike for sure - even the 650B wheels, etc.  This is a fun bike!  I’m a Riv 
head for sure, but I really enjoy a long faster road ride on the Crust 
every now and then.  

Crustbikes.com


Good luck in your search,

Guy
On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 7:01:14 AM UTC-6 David Hays wrote:

> Good morning Leah,
> I’m not sure where I read it but apparently Grant had at one point been a 
> fan of Mercians.
> A few years after I bought and built up my 650B Homer I found a used 
> Mercian KOM on Craigslist. I’ve since picked up another off the list and 
> had one purpose built for me. Very comfortable and fast. Some thing to 
> consider.
>
> Cheers,
> David 
>
> On Apr 21, 2024, at 12:17 AM, Josiah Anderson  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Leah,
>
> I'm also excited to hear about your journey towards a road bike; you 
> probably don't know it but your writing on this list was one of my main 
> influences towards ending up with a Riv. Drop bars and pavement are very 
> familiar, comfortable territory for me, and – like others have said here – 
> I still enjoy that type of riding at times.
>
> You're probably already familiar with him, but if not, I'd recommend 
> checking out some of Jan Heine's work – Bicycle Quarterly, *The All-Road 
> Bike Revolution,* his blog, etc. Bicycle Quarterly was my point of 
> departure from "mainstream" bike culture, and I came around to appreciating 
> Riv a bit later and now enjoy both approaches for different rides. Jan is 
> much more focused on speed than Grant is, but in what feels to me like a 
> healthy way. This is an old blog post that I think may be worth a read, as 
> it's an articulation of the same sort of perspective you seem to be 
> arriving at: https://www.renehersecycles.com/riding-fast-is-fun/. Jan 
> also wrote somewhere (can't find it right now) about how he and Grant are 
> good friends, and he wanted to make it clear he's not dissing Riv by 
> promoting what he likes.
>
> I currently have two of what I'd call "really nice" bikes, a Gus 
> Boots-Willsen and a Crust Lightning Bolt (alongside moderately nice bikes 
> like a Bridgestone MB-3 and a dumpster-find Bianchi Volpe). The Gus is 
> "full-Riv" – friction shifting, Carradice saddlebag, weird bar wrap, etc – 
> and the Crust is full Bicycle Quarterly, with 42mm extralight tires, 
> low-trail geometry, Gilles Berthoud handlebar bag, and all that. (Jan is 
> not affiliated with Crust, but Crust designed the Lightning Bolt with his 
> preferences in mind). The two bikes are a perfect combination for my 
> current riding: there is enough crossover that both work great for 
> doubletrack rides, and the Gus is ideal for riding singletrack while the 
> Crust excels at long, fast road and gravel rides. Rivendell doesn't make 
> randonneur bikes like my Crust, as it sounds to me like they don't like the 
> lighter-gauge tubing and the handling optimized for drop bars and moderate 
> front loads, but Grant has written (quoting from memory, so hopefully I'm 
> pretty close here) that he's glad companies like Crust exist and do 
> different stuff from Riv. I don't feel like riding my Crust is an insult to 
> Rivendell, just an expression of the fact that my riding conditions are a 
> bit different from theirs, though I totally get it if that's how it feels 
> to you. 
>
> I've never ridden a Roadeo or Roadini, but I've ridden a LOT of road race 
> and "sport-touring" bikes from the 1960s through 2000s, many of which (like 
> early 80s Trek sport tourers, one of my main rides for a long time) have a 
> lot of similarities to the Roadeo. I prefer my Crust for several reasons: 
> it's designed for bigger tires, which when they're René Herse Extralights 
> are just as fast as 23mm tubulars and far more versatile; it can carry a 
> big handlebar bag for long rides without compromising handling at all; and 
> it feels more "alternative" when showing up to group rides, a feeling we're 
> all used to with Rivendells - but it's still just as fast as the carbon 
> bikes, unlike my Gus. And the biggest factor is that it's made of 
> superlight steel tubing, which I like not for the weight savings (less than 
> a water bottle) but for the flex characteristics – it flexes with each 
> pedal stroke and feeds it back into the drivetrain, taking away the 
> pushing-against-a-brick-wall feeling of hammering up a hill on a stiff 
> bike. Jan calls this "planing," and it's pretty controversial, and others 
> call it a lively frame, a 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[David Hays]

Good morning Leah,
I’m not sure where I read it but apparently Grant had at one point been a fan 
of Mercians.
A few years after I bought and built up my 650B Homer I found a used Mercian 
KOM on Craigslist. I’ve since picked up another off the list and had one 
purpose built for me. Very comfortable and fast. Some thing to consider.

Cheers,
David 

> On Apr 21, 2024, at 12:17 AM, Josiah Anderson  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Leah,
> 
> I'm also excited to hear about your journey towards a road bike; you probably 
> don't know it but your writing on this list was one of my main influences 
> towards ending up with a Riv. Drop bars and pavement are very familiar, 
> comfortable territory for me, and – like others have said here – I still 
> enjoy that type of riding at times.
> 
> You're probably already familiar with him, but if not, I'd recommend checking 
> out some of Jan Heine's work – Bicycle Quarterly, The All-Road Bike 
> Revolution, his blog, etc. Bicycle Quarterly was my point of departure from 
> "mainstream" bike culture, and I came around to appreciating Riv a bit later 
> and now enjoy both approaches for different rides. Jan is much more focused 
> on speed than Grant is, but in what feels to me like a healthy way. This is 
> an old blog post that I think may be worth a read, as it's an articulation of 
> the same sort of perspective you seem to be arriving at: 
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/riding-fast-is-fun/ 
> . Jan also wrote 
> somewhere (can't find it right now) about how he and Grant are good friends, 
> and he wanted to make it clear he's not dissing Riv by promoting what he 
> likes.
> 
> I currently have two of what I'd call "really nice" bikes, a Gus 
> Boots-Willsen and a Crust Lightning Bolt (alongside moderately nice bikes 
> like a Bridgestone MB-3 and a dumpster-find Bianchi Volpe). The Gus is 
> "full-Riv" – friction shifting, Carradice saddlebag, weird bar wrap, etc – 
> and the Crust is full Bicycle Quarterly, with 42mm extralight tires, 
> low-trail geometry, Gilles Berthoud handlebar bag, and all that. (Jan is not 
> affiliated with Crust, but Crust designed the Lightning Bolt with his 
> preferences in mind). The two bikes are a perfect combination for my current 
> riding: there is enough crossover that both work great for doubletrack rides, 
> and the Gus is ideal for riding singletrack while the Crust excels at long, 
> fast road and gravel rides. Rivendell doesn't make randonneur bikes like my 
> Crust, as it sounds to me like they don't like the lighter-gauge tubing and 
> the handling optimized for drop bars and moderate front loads, but Grant has 
> written (quoting from memory, so hopefully I'm pretty close here) that he's 
> glad companies like Crust exist and do different stuff from Riv. I don't feel 
> like riding my Crust is an insult to Rivendell, just an expression of the 
> fact that my riding conditions are a bit different from theirs, though I 
> totally get it if that's how it feels to you. 
> 
> I've never ridden a Roadeo or Roadini, but I've ridden a LOT of road race and 
> "sport-touring" bikes from the 1960s through 2000s, many of which (like early 
> 80s Trek sport tourers, one of my main rides for a long time) have a lot of 
> similarities to the Roadeo. I prefer my Crust for several reasons: it's 
> designed for bigger tires, which when they're René Herse Extralights are just 
> as fast as 23mm tubulars and far more versatile; it can carry a big handlebar 
> bag for long rides without compromising handling at all; and it feels more 
> "alternative" when showing up to group rides, a feeling we're all used to 
> with Rivendells - but it's still just as fast as the carbon bikes, unlike my 
> Gus. And the biggest factor is that it's made of superlight steel tubing, 
> which I like not for the weight savings (less than a water bottle) but for 
> the flex characteristics – it flexes with each pedal stroke and feeds it back 
> into the drivetrain, taking away the pushing-against-a-brick-wall feeling of 
> hammering up a hill on a stiff bike. Jan calls this "planing," and it's 
> pretty controversial, and others call it a lively frame, a somewhat less 
> controversial term. My personal experience says it works – take that however 
> you want. I do not believe the Roadini would "plane" or be particularly 
> "lively," based on what I've heard, and the slightly lighter Roadeo might or 
> might not depending on how much power you're putting down.
> 
> A classic road bike like the Roadeo is also an aesthetic choice, though, not 
> just a practical one, and if that's the sort of bike you want, I don't want 
> to be the one to argue against that! Those sorts of bikes are very 
> well-proven for many use cases, and fast-paced, shortish (~30 mile) group 
> rides are certainly one of those.
> 
> Basically what I'm hoping to say here is that "road bike" can mean many 
> things, and that Jan Heine's writing has been a 

Re: [RBW] Rivendell Roadbike Curious

[Josiah Anderson]

Hi Leah,

I'm also excited to hear about your journey towards a road bike; you
probably don't know it but your writing on this list was one of my main
influences towards ending up with a Riv. Drop bars and pavement are very
familiar, comfortable territory for me, and – like others have said here –
I still enjoy that type of riding at times.

You're probably already familiar with him, but if not, I'd recommend
checking out some of Jan Heine's work – Bicycle Quarterly, *The All-Road
Bike Revolution,* his blog, etc. Bicycle Quarterly was my point of
departure from "mainstream" bike culture, and I came around to appreciating
Riv a bit later and now enjoy both approaches for different rides. Jan is
much more focused on speed than Grant is, but in what feels to me like a
healthy way. This is an old blog post that I think may be worth a read, as
it's an articulation of the same sort of perspective you seem to be
arriving at: https://www.renehersecycles.com/riding-fast-is-fun/. Jan also
wrote somewhere (can't find it right now) about how he and Grant are good
friends, and he wanted to make it clear he's not dissing Riv by promoting
what he likes.

I currently have two of what I'd call "really nice" bikes, a Gus
Boots-Willsen and a Crust Lightning Bolt (alongside moderately nice bikes
like a Bridgestone MB-3 and a dumpster-find Bianchi Volpe). The Gus is
"full-Riv" – friction shifting, Carradice saddlebag, weird bar wrap, etc –
and the Crust is full Bicycle Quarterly, with 42mm extralight tires,
low-trail geometry, Gilles Berthoud handlebar bag, and all that. (Jan is
not affiliated with Crust, but Crust designed the Lightning Bolt with his
preferences in mind). The two bikes are a perfect combination for my
current riding: there is enough crossover that both work great for
doubletrack rides, and the Gus is ideal for riding singletrack while the
Crust excels at long, fast road and gravel rides. Rivendell doesn't make
randonneur bikes like my Crust, as it sounds to me like they don't like the
lighter-gauge tubing and the handling optimized for drop bars and moderate
front loads, but Grant has written (quoting from memory, so hopefully I'm
pretty close here) that he's glad companies like Crust exist and do
different stuff from Riv. I don't feel like riding my Crust is an insult to
Rivendell, just an expression of the fact that my riding conditions are a
bit different from theirs, though I totally get it if that's how it feels
to you.

I've never ridden a Roadeo or Roadini, but I've ridden a LOT of road race
and "sport-touring" bikes from the 1960s through 2000s, many of which (like
early 80s Trek sport tourers, one of my main rides for a long time) have a
lot of similarities to the Roadeo. I prefer my Crust for several reasons:
it's designed for bigger tires, which when they're René Herse Extralights
are just as fast as 23mm tubulars and far more versatile; it can carry a
big handlebar bag for long rides without compromising handling at all; and
it feels more "alternative" when showing up to group rides, a feeling we're
all used to with Rivendells - but it's still just as fast as the carbon
bikes, unlike my Gus. And the biggest factor is that it's made of
superlight steel tubing, which I like not for the weight savings (less than
a water bottle) but for the flex characteristics – it flexes with each
pedal stroke and feeds it back into the drivetrain, taking away the
pushing-against-a-brick-wall feeling of hammering up a hill on a stiff
bike. Jan calls this "planing," and it's pretty controversial, and others
call it a lively frame, a somewhat less controversial term. My personal
experience says it works – take that however you want. I do not believe the
Roadini would "plane" or be particularly "lively," based on what I've
heard, and the slightly lighter Roadeo might or might not depending on how
much power you're putting down.

A classic road bike like the Roadeo is also an aesthetic choice, though,
not just a practical one, and if that's the sort of bike you want, I don't
want to be the one to argue against that! Those sorts of bikes are very
well-proven for many use cases, and fast-paced, shortish (~30 mile) group
rides are certainly one of those.

Basically what I'm hoping to say here is that "road bike" can mean many
things, and that Jan Heine's writing has been a huge positive influence on
my riding and maybe could be for you too. Best of luck with the process of
contemplation and decision!

Josiah Anderson
Missoula MT

Le sam. 20 avr. 2024 à 13:33, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell
> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the
> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is
> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great
> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be
> ideal.
>
> Who rides their Rivbike in