Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Josh (BertoBerg)]

Any scratch obtained while on a ride adds a little character to the bike 
and is always a story to tell (even though it feels pretty painful in the 
moment). Kudos to everyone getting out there!

Josh
Bainbridge Island, WA

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 6:05:25 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:

> For me it's not about not using them, it's more about using other bikes 
> for the dirty work of commuting, shopping, going for dinner/beers while the 
> Rivs sit in the garage and only taking the Rivs on longer rides where it's 
> not going to be locked up outside for long periods. I'm sure you're kidding 
> but people work for and can afford all sorts of things and don't share 
> them. A Rivendell is far from a lavish luxury item. I share plenty in 
> taxes...you keep your dirty little fingers off my bike
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:51:06 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Man just USE your bikes!  I read this blog post a while ago and was like 
>> "WTF, people will drop a minimum of 2.5k on a bike and not ride it!?!? - 
>> must be NICE to have that kind of cash!"
>>
>> Bikes are meant to be ridden.  Rivendells will stand up to just that; 
>> they're very much made for it.
>>
>> And seriously, if you can afford to have a Rivendell to not use it... 
>> share? :D
>>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> This is just the thread that I needed right now; John thanks for pushing 
>>> it back to the top. I'm considering using a very well-equipped Atlantis as 
>>> my daily driver/commuter and I guess what I was feeling was a sense that I 
>>> should be using that bike for its intended purpose instead of riding 
>>> something that I don't enjoy as much simply to preserve the Riv. I was 
>>> thinking of buying another Riv (a clem) for this purpose but after 
>>> considering the cost of it + tax + a few changes, I'd be into it for a 
>>> similar sum. I might as well ride the Atlantis. I'll report back. 
>>>
>>> John - I agree, your Atlantis ameliorated that rock and the overall 
>>> aesthetic of that canyon. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:38:03 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Your Atlantis is living life right !

 On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 3:25:49 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> On a recent road trip in the Southwest, I rode my beautiful Atlantis 
> along the rim of the Grand Canyon from Desert View to Hermit's Rest. At 
> one 
> point I stopped at a viewpoint, leaned the bike against a rock to take a 
> photo, and (of course) it fell over. Still beautiful and ever-so 
> functional, the Atlantis has a souvenir from the canyon and the canyon is 
> that much more stunning with some Interior Russian blue-green added to 
> its 
> majestic hues.[image: IMG_2280.jpeg] 
> Cheers, John
>
>
> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 10:24:29 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Max and Philip!  I'm really enjoying the color scheme and 
>> how it plays with the changing leaves on the ground. It had its own fall 
>> yesterday when a strong gust of wind knocked it over at a coffee shop. A 
>> little less precious everyday 
>>
>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:25 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> An absolutely perfect bike!
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 9:43 AM, danielle da cruz  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Thanks Joe, me too! They’re calling it Sergio green. It is so pretty 
>>> and definitely falls into that faerie-elvish category that Grant 
>>> recently 
>>> remarked on (warned against?) when encouraging more black parts on 
>>> bikes, 
>>> but I love it.
>>>
>>> Just rode it to the bookstore for more exposure therapy, locking up 
>>> to the painted black bike rack. Baby steps. 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they 
>>> call it something else but this was a color that appeared on early 
>>> Rivs). 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 
>>> daniell...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to 
 the climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday 
 night 
 and I kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very 
 enthusiastic, 
 bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a 
 beer 
 in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I 
 am, I 
 would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new 
 bike. 
 It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Josh C]

For me it's not about not using them, it's more about using other bikes for 
the dirty work of commuting, shopping, going for dinner/beers while the 
Rivs sit in the garage and only taking the Rivs on longer rides where it's 
not going to be locked up outside for long periods. I'm sure you're kidding 
but people work for and can afford all sorts of things and don't share 
them. A Rivendell is far from a lavish luxury item. I share plenty in 
taxes...you keep your dirty little fingers off my bike

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:51:06 AM UTC-5 modemm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Man just USE your bikes!  I read this blog post a while ago and was like 
> "WTF, people will drop a minimum of 2.5k on a bike and not ride it!?!? - 
> must be NICE to have that kind of cash!"
>
> Bikes are meant to be ridden.  Rivendells will stand up to just that; 
> they're very much made for it.
>
> And seriously, if you can afford to have a Rivendell to not use it... 
> share? :D
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> This is just the thread that I needed right now; John thanks for pushing 
>> it back to the top. I'm considering using a very well-equipped Atlantis as 
>> my daily driver/commuter and I guess what I was feeling was a sense that I 
>> should be using that bike for its intended purpose instead of riding 
>> something that I don't enjoy as much simply to preserve the Riv. I was 
>> thinking of buying another Riv (a clem) for this purpose but after 
>> considering the cost of it + tax + a few changes, I'd be into it for a 
>> similar sum. I might as well ride the Atlantis. I'll report back. 
>>
>> John - I agree, your Atlantis ameliorated that rock and the overall 
>> aesthetic of that canyon. 
>>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:38:03 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Your Atlantis is living life right !
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 3:25:49 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 On a recent road trip in the Southwest, I rode my beautiful Atlantis 
 along the rim of the Grand Canyon from Desert View to Hermit's Rest. At 
 one 
 point I stopped at a viewpoint, leaned the bike against a rock to take a 
 photo, and (of course) it fell over. Still beautiful and ever-so 
 functional, the Atlantis has a souvenir from the canyon and the canyon is 
 that much more stunning with some Interior Russian blue-green added to its 
 majestic hues.[image: IMG_2280.jpeg] 
 Cheers, John


 On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 10:24:29 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thank you Max and Philip!  I'm really enjoying the color scheme and 
> how it plays with the changing leaves on the ground. It had its own fall 
> yesterday when a strong gust of wind knocked it over at a coffee shop. A 
> little less precious everyday 
>
> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:25 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> An absolutely perfect bike!
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 9:43 AM, danielle da cruz  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Thanks Joe, me too! They’re calling it Sergio green. It is so pretty 
>> and definitely falls into that faerie-elvish category that Grant 
>> recently 
>> remarked on (warned against?) when encouraging more black parts on 
>> bikes, 
>> but I love it.
>>
>> Just rode it to the bookstore for more exposure therapy, locking up 
>> to the painted black bike rack. Baby steps. 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they call 
>> it something else but this was a color that appeared on early Rivs). 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to the 
>>> climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday night 
>>> and I 
>>> kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very enthusiastic, 
>>> bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a 
>>> beer 
>>> in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I 
>>> am, I 
>>> would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new 
>>> bike. 
>>> It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the most 
>>> beautiful 
>>> bike ever and I suddenly have that *my bike is precious and must 
>>> not be marred – ever – *feeling. 
>>>
>>> Fast forward to the agony at the climbing gym. Which area of the 
>>> rack looks cleanest? Which other bikes will be near mine and do these 
>>> bikes 
>>> appear to be owned by kind and considerate people who will be careful 
>>> not 
>>> to touch my 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Jon Craig (Vendraen)]

Man just USE your bikes!  I read this blog post a while ago and was like 
"WTF, people will drop a minimum of 2.5k on a bike and not ride it!?!? - 
must be NICE to have that kind of cash!"

Bikes are meant to be ridden.  Rivendells will stand up to just that; 
they're very much made for it.

And seriously, if you can afford to have a Rivendell to not use it... 
share? :D

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:45:37 AM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> This is just the thread that I needed right now; John thanks for pushing 
> it back to the top. I'm considering using a very well-equipped Atlantis as 
> my daily driver/commuter and I guess what I was feeling was a sense that I 
> should be using that bike for its intended purpose instead of riding 
> something that I don't enjoy as much simply to preserve the Riv. I was 
> thinking of buying another Riv (a clem) for this purpose but after 
> considering the cost of it + tax + a few changes, I'd be into it for a 
> similar sum. I might as well ride the Atlantis. I'll report back. 
>
> John - I agree, your Atlantis ameliorated that rock and the overall 
> aesthetic of that canyon. 
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:38:03 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Your Atlantis is living life right !
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 3:25:49 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> On a recent road trip in the Southwest, I rode my beautiful Atlantis 
>>> along the rim of the Grand Canyon from Desert View to Hermit's Rest. At one 
>>> point I stopped at a viewpoint, leaned the bike against a rock to take a 
>>> photo, and (of course) it fell over. Still beautiful and ever-so 
>>> functional, the Atlantis has a souvenir from the canyon and the canyon is 
>>> that much more stunning with some Interior Russian blue-green added to its 
>>> majestic hues.[image: IMG_2280.jpeg] 
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 10:24:29 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Max and Philip!  I'm really enjoying the color scheme and how 
 it plays with the changing leaves on the ground. It had its own fall 
 yesterday when a strong gust of wind knocked it over at a coffee shop. A 
 little less precious everyday 

 On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:25 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> An absolutely perfect bike!
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 9:43 AM, danielle da cruz  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks Joe, me too! They’re calling it Sergio green. It is so pretty 
> and definitely falls into that faerie-elvish category that Grant recently 
> remarked on (warned against?) when encouraging more black parts on bikes, 
> but I love it.
>
> Just rode it to the bookstore for more exposure therapy, locking up to 
> the painted black bike rack. Baby steps. 
>
> 
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they call 
> it something else but this was a color that appeared on early Rivs). 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to the 
>> climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday night 
>> and I 
>> kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very enthusiastic, 
>> bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a 
>> beer 
>> in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I am, 
>> I 
>> would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new 
>> bike. 
>> It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the most 
>> beautiful 
>> bike ever and I suddenly have that *my bike is precious and must not 
>> be marred – ever – *feeling. 
>>
>> Fast forward to the agony at the climbing gym. Which area of the rack 
>> looks cleanest? Which other bikes will be near mine and do these bikes 
>> appear to be owned by kind and considerate people who will be careful 
>> not 
>> to touch my bike with theirs? Should I just bring it inside with me? Is 
>> anywhere truly safe???
>>
>> Today it is still precious as I await the first scratch, scrape or 
>> ding. I look forward to when it’s less precious and I can let my guard 
>> down 
>> a bit. The beauty will remain.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:36 AM, dylan green  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I too have a '93 XO-3 as my daily driver. I recently sold my last 
>> 'nice' bike and am on the hunt for either a Legolas or Toyo atlantis as 
>> a 
>> project. The Bridgestone is such a great bike
>> I sometimes find myself thinking I don't *really need *another bike. 
>> But then again, I'm on a 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Josh C]

This is just the thread that I needed right now; John thanks for pushing it 
back to the top. I'm considering using a very well-equipped Atlantis as my 
daily driver/commuter and I guess what I was feeling was a sense that I 
should be using that bike for its intended purpose instead of riding 
something that I don't enjoy as much simply to preserve the Riv. I was 
thinking of buying another Riv (a clem) for this purpose but after 
considering the cost of it + tax + a few changes, I'd be into it for a 
similar sum. I might as well ride the Atlantis. I'll report back. 

John - I agree, your Atlantis ameliorated that rock and the overall 
aesthetic of that canyon. 

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:38:03 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:

> Your Atlantis is living life right !
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 3:25:49 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> On a recent road trip in the Southwest, I rode my beautiful Atlantis 
>> along the rim of the Grand Canyon from Desert View to Hermit's Rest. At one 
>> point I stopped at a viewpoint, leaned the bike against a rock to take a 
>> photo, and (of course) it fell over. Still beautiful and ever-so 
>> functional, the Atlantis has a souvenir from the canyon and the canyon is 
>> that much more stunning with some Interior Russian blue-green added to its 
>> majestic hues.[image: IMG_2280.jpeg] 
>> Cheers, John
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 10:24:29 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Max and Philip!  I'm really enjoying the color scheme and how 
>>> it plays with the changing leaves on the ground. It had its own fall 
>>> yesterday when a strong gust of wind knocked it over at a coffee shop. A 
>>> little less precious everyday 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:25 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 An absolutely perfect bike!

 P. W.
 ~
 (917) 514-2207
 ~




 On Oct 5, 2023, at 9:43 AM, danielle da cruz  
 wrote:

 

 Thanks Joe, me too! They’re calling it Sergio green. It is so pretty 
 and definitely falls into that faerie-elvish category that Grant recently 
 remarked on (warned against?) when encouraging more black parts on bikes, 
 but I love it.

 Just rode it to the bookstore for more exposure therapy, locking up to 
 the painted black bike rack. Baby steps. 

 


 On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they call 
 it something else but this was a color that appeared on early Rivs). 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to the 
> climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday night and 
> I 
> kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very enthusiastic, 
> bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a 
> beer 
> in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I am, 
> I 
> would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new 
> bike. 
> It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the most 
> beautiful 
> bike ever and I suddenly have that *my bike is precious and must not 
> be marred – ever – *feeling. 
>
> Fast forward to the agony at the climbing gym. Which area of the rack 
> looks cleanest? Which other bikes will be near mine and do these bikes 
> appear to be owned by kind and considerate people who will be careful not 
> to touch my bike with theirs? Should I just bring it inside with me? Is 
> anywhere truly safe???
>
> Today it is still precious as I await the first scratch, scrape or 
> ding. I look forward to when it’s less precious and I can let my guard 
> down 
> a bit. The beauty will remain.
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:36 AM, dylan green  
> wrote:
>
> I too have a '93 XO-3 as my daily driver. I recently sold my last 
> 'nice' bike and am on the hunt for either a Legolas or Toyo atlantis as a 
> project. The Bridgestone is such a great bike
> I sometimes find myself thinking I don't *really need *another bike. 
> But then again, I'm on a group dedicated to bikes...
> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:40:46 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I was so grateful to find a '93 XO-3 frame in very good condition a 
>> few years back...I built it up as my everyday rider, with a 1x 8 drive, 
>> unfancy 26" wheels (with Panaracer Paselas), and an Albastache bar. 
>> Basket 
>> in the front and a Carradice bag in the rear - it's perfect for the job. 
>> I 
>> commute most days, taking a one-hour ferry ride across the SF Bay, 
>> exposing 
>> the bike to 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Sarah Carlson]

Your Atlantis is living life right !

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 3:25:49 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> On a recent road trip in the Southwest, I rode my beautiful Atlantis along 
> the rim of the Grand Canyon from Desert View to Hermit's Rest. At one point 
> I stopped at a viewpoint, leaned the bike against a rock to take a photo, 
> and (of course) it fell over. Still beautiful and ever-so functional, the 
> Atlantis has a souvenir from the canyon and the canyon is that much more 
> stunning with some Interior Russian blue-green added to its majestic 
> hues.[image: 
> IMG_2280.jpeg] 
> Cheers, John
>
>
> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 10:24:29 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Max and Philip!  I'm really enjoying the color scheme and how 
>> it plays with the changing leaves on the ground. It had its own fall 
>> yesterday when a strong gust of wind knocked it over at a coffee shop. A 
>> little less precious everyday 
>>
>> On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:25 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> An absolutely perfect bike!
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 9:43 AM, danielle da cruz  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Thanks Joe, me too! They’re calling it Sergio green. It is so pretty and 
>>> definitely falls into that faerie-elvish category that Grant recently 
>>> remarked on (warned against?) when encouraging more black parts on bikes, 
>>> but I love it.
>>>
>>> Just rode it to the bookstore for more exposure therapy, locking up to 
>>> the painted black bike rack. Baby steps. 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they call it 
>>> something else but this was a color that appeared on early Rivs). 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to the 
 climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday night and 
 I 
 kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very enthusiastic, 
 bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a beer 
 in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I am, I 
 would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new bike. 
 It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the most beautiful 
 bike ever and I suddenly have that *my bike is precious and must not 
 be marred – ever – *feeling. 

 Fast forward to the agony at the climbing gym. Which area of the rack 
 looks cleanest? Which other bikes will be near mine and do these bikes 
 appear to be owned by kind and considerate people who will be careful not 
 to touch my bike with theirs? Should I just bring it inside with me? Is 
 anywhere truly safe???

 Today it is still precious as I await the first scratch, scrape or 
 ding. I look forward to when it’s less precious and I can let my guard 
 down 
 a bit. The beauty will remain.




 On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:36 AM, dylan green  wrote:

 I too have a '93 XO-3 as my daily driver. I recently sold my last 
 'nice' bike and am on the hunt for either a Legolas or Toyo atlantis as a 
 project. The Bridgestone is such a great bike
 I sometimes find myself thinking I don't *really need *another bike. 
 But then again, I'm on a group dedicated to bikes...
 On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:40:46 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I was so grateful to find a '93 XO-3 frame in very good condition a 
> few years back...I built it up as my everyday rider, with a 1x 8 drive, 
> unfancy 26" wheels (with Panaracer Paselas), and an Albastache bar. 
> Basket 
> in the front and a Carradice bag in the rear - it's perfect for the job. 
> I 
> commute most days, taking a one-hour ferry ride across the SF Bay, 
> exposing 
> the bike to relentless salt spray, but I do my best to keep it clean and 
> I've grown to love itmeanwhile, I happened upon the most beautiful 
> Waterford-built All-Rounder last spring and scooped it right up. This one 
> is essentially a mirror image of the B'stone, but so much prettier. I've 
> experimented with several different bar/stem set-ups, none of which are 
> quite as good as the Albastache, and I will probably wind up with that 
> eventually. That said, I'm hesitant to subject it to the whims of my 
> daily 
> seafaring adventure, especially when I have a bike that is already built 
> for that purpose. So, for the time being, it only gets infrequent weekend 
> attention. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:43:26 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I draw the line at winter riding where salt is used.
>>

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[danielle da cruz]

Thank you Max and Philip!  I'm really enjoying the color scheme and how it 
plays with the changing leaves on the ground. It had its own fall yesterday 
when a strong gust of wind knocked it over at a coffee shop. A little less 
precious everyday 

On Monday, October 9, 2023 at 12:03:25 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> An absolutely perfect bike!
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 9:43 AM, danielle da cruz  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks Joe, me too! They’re calling it Sergio green. It is so pretty and 
> definitely falls into that faerie-elvish category that Grant recently 
> remarked on (warned against?) when encouraging more black parts on bikes, 
> but I love it.
>
> Just rode it to the bookstore for more exposure therapy, locking up to the 
> painted black bike rack. Baby steps. 
>
> 
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they call it 
> something else but this was a color that appeared on early Rivs). 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to the 
>> climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday night and I 
>> kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very enthusiastic, 
>> bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a beer 
>> in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I am, I 
>> would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new bike. 
>> It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the most beautiful 
>> bike ever and I suddenly have that *my bike is precious and must not be 
>> marred – ever – *feeling. 
>>
>> Fast forward to the agony at the climbing gym. Which area of the rack 
>> looks cleanest? Which other bikes will be near mine and do these bikes 
>> appear to be owned by kind and considerate people who will be careful not 
>> to touch my bike with theirs? Should I just bring it inside with me? Is 
>> anywhere truly safe???
>>
>> Today it is still precious as I await the first scratch, scrape or ding. 
>> I look forward to when it’s less precious and I can let my guard down a 
>> bit. The beauty will remain.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:36 AM, dylan green  wrote:
>>
>> I too have a '93 XO-3 as my daily driver. I recently sold my last 'nice' 
>> bike and am on the hunt for either a Legolas or Toyo atlantis as a project. 
>> The Bridgestone is such a great bike
>> I sometimes find myself thinking I don't *really need *another bike. But 
>> then again, I'm on a group dedicated to bikes...
>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:40:46 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was so grateful to find a '93 XO-3 frame in very good condition a few 
>>> years back...I built it up as my everyday rider, with a 1x 8 drive, unfancy 
>>> 26" wheels (with Panaracer Paselas), and an Albastache bar. Basket in the 
>>> front and a Carradice bag in the rear - it's perfect for the job. I commute 
>>> most days, taking a one-hour ferry ride across the SF Bay, exposing the 
>>> bike to relentless salt spray, but I do my best to keep it clean and I've 
>>> grown to love itmeanwhile, I happened upon the most beautiful 
>>> Waterford-built All-Rounder last spring and scooped it right up. This one 
>>> is essentially a mirror image of the B'stone, but so much prettier. I've 
>>> experimented with several different bar/stem set-ups, none of which are 
>>> quite as good as the Albastache, and I will probably wind up with that 
>>> eventually. That said, I'm hesitant to subject it to the whims of my daily 
>>> seafaring adventure, especially when I have a bike that is already built 
>>> for that purpose. So, for the time being, it only gets infrequent weekend 
>>> attention. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:43:26 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I draw the line at winter riding where salt is used.

 Last year I used a converted 93 Rockhopper as my winter ride (IGH, 
 coaster brake, studded tires) and on "nice" days, i.e. dry roads, I used 
 my 
 Bruce Gordon BLT (Taiwan model). Afterwards I cleaned and reassembled the 
 rear derailleur  -- from maybe a dozen trips on decent days, it was a 
 rusty, nasty mess, and so were a number of other parts. 

 From now on, only beater bikes in the salt months for me.
 The rest of the year, anything goes, that's why I own bikes. I think of 
 scratches as battle scars, to be worn proudly. 
 But salt is just wrong.

 cheers -mathias




 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:22:32 AM UTC-4 daniell...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Joyce, thank you for your kind words and for sharing that story! It 
> immediately reminded me of a quote from a Zen master that I've spent time 
> reflecting on, but never around my bike until 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[P W]

An absolutely perfect bike!P. W.~(917) 514-2207~On Oct 5, 2023, at 9:43 AM, danielle da cruz  wrote:Thanks Joe, me too! They’re calling it Sergio green. It is so pretty and definitely falls into that faerie-elvish category that Grant recently remarked on (warned against?) when encouraging more black parts on bikes, but I love it.Just rode it to the bookstore for more exposure therapy, locking up to the painted black bike rack. Baby steps. On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they call it something else but this was a color that appeared on early Rivs). Joe Bernard On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com wrote:This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to the climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday night and I kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very enthusiastic, bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a beer in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I am, I would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new bike. It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the most beautiful bike ever and I suddenly have that my bike is precious and must not be marred – ever – feeling. Fast forward to the agony at the climbing gym. Which area of the rack looks cleanest? Which other bikes will be near mine and do these bikes appear to be owned by kind and considerate people who will be careful not to touch my bike with theirs? Should I just bring it inside with me? Is anywhere truly safe???Today it is still precious as I await the first scratch, scrape or ding. I look forward to when it’s less precious and I can let my guard down a bit. The beauty will remain.On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:36 AM, dylan green  wrote:I too have a '93 XO-3 as my daily driver. I recently sold my last 'nice' bike and am on the hunt for either a Legolas or Toyo atlantis as a project. The Bridgestone is such a great bikeI sometimes find myself thinking I don't really need another bike. But then again, I'm on a group dedicated to bikes...On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:40:46 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:I was so grateful to find a '93 XO-3 frame in very good condition a few years back...I built it up as my everyday rider, with a 1x 8 drive, unfancy 26" wheels (with Panaracer Paselas), and an Albastache bar. Basket in the front and a Carradice bag in the rear - it's perfect for the job. I commute most days, taking a one-hour ferry ride across the SF Bay, exposing the bike to relentless salt spray, but I do my best to keep it clean and I've grown to love itmeanwhile, I happened upon the most beautiful Waterford-built All-Rounder last spring and scooped it right up. This one is essentially a mirror image of the B'stone, but so much prettier. I've experimented with several different bar/stem set-ups, none of which are quite as good as the Albastache, and I will probably wind up with that eventually. That said, I'm hesitant to subject it to the whims of my daily seafaring adventure, especially when I have a bike that is already built for that purpose. So, for the time being, it only gets infrequent weekend attention. On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:43:26 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:I draw the line at winter riding where salt is used.Last year I used a converted 93 Rockhopper as my winter ride (IGH, coaster brake, studded tires) and on "nice" days, i.e. dry roads, I used my Bruce Gordon BLT (Taiwan model). Afterwards I cleaned and reassembled the rear derailleur  -- from maybe a dozen trips on decent days, it was a rusty, nasty mess, and so were a number of other parts. From now on, only beater bikes in the salt months for me.The rest of the year, anything goes, that's why I own bikes. I think of scratches as battle scars, to be worn proudly. But salt is just wrong.cheers -mathiasOn Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:22:32 AM UTC-4 daniell...@gmail.com wrote:Joyce, thank you for your kind words and for sharing that story! It immediately reminded me of a quote from a Zen master that I've spent time reflecting on, but never around my bike until now:Die while you are alive, and be absolutely dead. Then do whatever you want: it's all good. Your brother sounds like he's got this whole liberation thing down :)))Yours in RivSister solidarity,DanielleOn Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:55:52 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:Danielle,Thanks for sharing your story.  It's such a pleasure to read a well written tale and I shuddered at the description of your pristine Cheviot losing the battle with concrete.  I'm looking forward to the images of diaper swaddling!  Your story reminded me of some advice my older brother gave my younger brother.  Both of them avid outdoorsy hunters/fishers/campers/boaters, they drive pick-ups for their adventures.  Younger bro gets a brand new Ford and doesn't want to drive a particular 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[maxcr]

Love the color scheme too! Congrats on the new bike :)
Max

On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 12:43:25 PM UTC-4 daniell...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Thanks Joe, me too! They’re calling it Sergio green. It is so pretty and 
> definitely falls into that faerie-elvish category that Grant recently 
> remarked on (warned against?) when encouraging more black parts on bikes, 
> but I love it.
>
> Just rode it to the bookstore for more exposure therapy, locking up to the 
> painted black bike rack. Baby steps. [image: image2.jpeg]
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 11:58 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they call it 
> something else but this was a color that appeared on early Rivs). 
>
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to the 
>> climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday night and I 
>> kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very enthusiastic, 
>> bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a beer 
>> in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I am, I 
>> would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new bike. 
>> It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the most beautiful 
>> bike ever and I suddenly have that *my bike is precious and must not be 
>> marred – ever – *feeling. 
>>
>> Fast forward to the agony at the climbing gym. Which area of the rack 
>> looks cleanest? Which other bikes will be near mine and do these bikes 
>> appear to be owned by kind and considerate people who will be careful not 
>> to touch my bike with theirs? Should I just bring it inside with me? Is 
>> anywhere truly safe???
>>
>> Today it is still precious as I await the first scratch, scrape or ding. 
>> I look forward to when it’s less precious and I can let my guard down a 
>> bit. The beauty will remain.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:36 AM, dylan green  wrote:
>>
>> I too have a '93 XO-3 as my daily driver. I recently sold my last 'nice' 
>> bike and am on the hunt for either a Legolas or Toyo atlantis as a project. 
>> The Bridgestone is such a great bike
>> I sometimes find myself thinking I don't *really need *another bike. But 
>> then again, I'm on a group dedicated to bikes...
>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:40:46 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was so grateful to find a '93 XO-3 frame in very good condition a few 
>>> years back...I built it up as my everyday rider, with a 1x 8 drive, unfancy 
>>> 26" wheels (with Panaracer Paselas), and an Albastache bar. Basket in the 
>>> front and a Carradice bag in the rear - it's perfect for the job. I commute 
>>> most days, taking a one-hour ferry ride across the SF Bay, exposing the 
>>> bike to relentless salt spray, but I do my best to keep it clean and I've 
>>> grown to love itmeanwhile, I happened upon the most beautiful 
>>> Waterford-built All-Rounder last spring and scooped it right up. This one 
>>> is essentially a mirror image of the B'stone, but so much prettier. I've 
>>> experimented with several different bar/stem set-ups, none of which are 
>>> quite as good as the Albastache, and I will probably wind up with that 
>>> eventually. That said, I'm hesitant to subject it to the whims of my daily 
>>> seafaring adventure, especially when I have a bike that is already built 
>>> for that purpose. So, for the time being, it only gets infrequent weekend 
>>> attention. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:43:26 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I draw the line at winter riding where salt is used.

 Last year I used a converted 93 Rockhopper as my winter ride (IGH, 
 coaster brake, studded tires) and on "nice" days, i.e. dry roads, I used 
 my 
 Bruce Gordon BLT (Taiwan model). Afterwards I cleaned and reassembled the 
 rear derailleur  -- from maybe a dozen trips on decent days, it was a 
 rusty, nasty mess, and so were a number of other parts. 

 From now on, only beater bikes in the salt months for me.
 The rest of the year, anything goes, that's why I own bikes. I think of 
 scratches as battle scars, to be worn proudly. 
 But salt is just wrong.

 cheers -mathias




 On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:22:32 AM UTC-4 daniell...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Joyce, thank you for your kind words and for sharing that story! It 
> immediately reminded me of a quote from a Zen master that I've spent time 
> reflecting on, but never around my bike until now:
>
> Die while you are alive, and be absolutely dead. Then do whatever you 
> want: it's all good. 
>
> Your brother sounds like he's got this whole liberation thing down :)))
>
> Yours in RivSister solidarity,
> Danielle
> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:55:52 PM 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Joe Bernard]

It's so pretty! I love the Vintage Rivendell Green (I know they call it 
something else but this was a color that appeared on early Rivs). 

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:03:12 AM UTC-7 daniell...@gmail.com wrote:

> This thread came to mind yesterday when I rode my new Roadini to the 
> climbing gym. It arrived in Cambridge from Walnut Creek Tuesday night and I 
> kept my Cheviot decal-scratching partner and our very enthusiastic, 
> bike-loving neighbor away as I carefully reassembled it myself with a beer 
> in the garage. Though they are far more mechanically inclined than I am, I 
> would not let their less-careful-than-mine mitts near this shiny new bike. 
> It’s my bike, so of course I feel this, but it truly is the most beautiful 
> bike ever and I suddenly have that *my bike is precious and must not be 
> marred – ever – *feeling. 
>
> Fast forward to the agony at the climbing gym. Which area of the rack 
> looks cleanest? Which other bikes will be near mine and do these bikes 
> appear to be owned by kind and considerate people who will be careful not 
> to touch my bike with theirs? Should I just bring it inside with me? Is 
> anywhere truly safe???
>
> Today it is still precious as I await the first scratch, scrape or ding. I 
> look forward to when it’s less precious and I can let my guard down a bit. 
> The beauty will remain.
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2023, at 10:36 AM, dylan green  wrote:
>
> I too have a '93 XO-3 as my daily driver. I recently sold my last 'nice' 
> bike and am on the hunt for either a Legolas or Toyo atlantis as a project. 
> The Bridgestone is such a great bike
> I sometimes find myself thinking I don't *really need *another bike. But 
> then again, I'm on a group dedicated to bikes...
> On Wednesday, October 4, 2023 at 10:40:46 PM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I was so grateful to find a '93 XO-3 frame in very good condition a few 
>> years back...I built it up as my everyday rider, with a 1x 8 drive, unfancy 
>> 26" wheels (with Panaracer Paselas), and an Albastache bar. Basket in the 
>> front and a Carradice bag in the rear - it's perfect for the job. I commute 
>> most days, taking a one-hour ferry ride across the SF Bay, exposing the 
>> bike to relentless salt spray, but I do my best to keep it clean and I've 
>> grown to love itmeanwhile, I happened upon the most beautiful 
>> Waterford-built All-Rounder last spring and scooped it right up. This one 
>> is essentially a mirror image of the B'stone, but so much prettier. I've 
>> experimented with several different bar/stem set-ups, none of which are 
>> quite as good as the Albastache, and I will probably wind up with that 
>> eventually. That said, I'm hesitant to subject it to the whims of my daily 
>> seafaring adventure, especially when I have a bike that is already built 
>> for that purpose. So, for the time being, it only gets infrequent weekend 
>> attention. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 3:43:26 PM UTC-7 mathiass...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I draw the line at winter riding where salt is used.
>>>
>>> Last year I used a converted 93 Rockhopper as my winter ride (IGH, 
>>> coaster brake, studded tires) and on "nice" days, i.e. dry roads, I used my 
>>> Bruce Gordon BLT (Taiwan model). Afterwards I cleaned and reassembled the 
>>> rear derailleur  -- from maybe a dozen trips on decent days, it was a 
>>> rusty, nasty mess, and so were a number of other parts. 
>>>
>>> From now on, only beater bikes in the salt months for me.
>>> The rest of the year, anything goes, that's why I own bikes. I think of 
>>> scratches as battle scars, to be worn proudly. 
>>> But salt is just wrong.
>>>
>>> cheers -mathias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 11:22:32 AM UTC-4 daniell...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Joyce, thank you for your kind words and for sharing that story! It 
 immediately reminded me of a quote from a Zen master that I've spent time 
 reflecting on, but never around my bike until now:

 Die while you are alive, and be absolutely dead. Then do whatever you 
 want: it's all good. 

 Your brother sounds like he's got this whole liberation thing down :)))

 Yours in RivSister solidarity,
 Danielle
 On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:55:52 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:

> Danielle,
> Thanks for sharing your story.  It's such a pleasure to read a well 
> written tale and I shuddered at the description of your pristine Cheviot 
> losing the battle with concrete.  I'm looking forward to the images of 
> diaper swaddling!  
>
> Your story reminded me of some advice my older brother gave my younger 
> brother.  Both of them avid outdoorsy hunters/fishers/campers/boaters, 
> they 
> drive pick-ups for their adventures.  Younger bro gets a brand new Ford 
> and 
> doesn't want to drive a particular road because his new baby is going to 
> get scratched.  Older bro says, "Find a 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[tarik saleh]

That was a great ride.  We should do it again one of these decades. I keep meaning to ditch my flickr account but it proves useful AND searchable so I can find things, which makes it hard to beat.Tarik-- Tarik Salehtas at tariksaleh dot comin los alamos, NM, USA, po box 208, 87544http://tariksaleh.comTarik Saleh Bike Club!: http://tariksaleh.com/tsbcOn Jul 12, 2023, at 1:57 PM, Jamie Hascall  wrote:Wow Tarik! Thanks for posting those pictures! What I find really interesting is that I'm riding the Jamis that I bought when I first got to Santa Fe, and had not yet bought my Saluki. I was just a Riv wannabe at that point. Fun to remember the wind and dust of those Spring New Mexico rides.Cheers!JamieOn Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 9:38:18 PM UTC-7 tariksa...@gmail.com wrote:3/16 of ought eight for the NM Bob ride. Ryan, Patrick, Jamie, Me, Chad, someone on a very nice  legolas who probably wisely bailed early.https://flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/albums/72157604133469712On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 2:24 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:Jamie! I'm sorry, I forgot; the name comes back to me now. The photos show your wife and not you -- now I understand. I wish I could post the video, but even that, which does give an indication of the wind's strength, does not show the compact-car-size tumbleweed clusters that we encountered.I hope the riding in the PNW is as enjoyable as it is here -- at least, here on less windy days.POn Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 2:12 PM Jamie Hascall  wrote:Yes Patrick, I remember a particularly windy Spring ride with you and Tarik and a few others on the Bosque trail. We were assaulted by huge tumbleweeds on the way downstream, but on the way back the wind had shifted just enough to be fully behind us and gave us a mighty boost for the  uphill run. That was probably that 2008 ride you tried to post. I do miss a lot about the riding we did in NM but between jobs and a need for a moister climate we ended up back in the PNW. Glad to hear you're still cranking.Cheers!JamieOn Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 1:05:19 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:And that Motobecane is still seeing regular service here in NorCal, now as a rendered three-speed. Still a great bike—Patrick didn’t mention the full Reynolds 531 tubeset and the old school Nervex lugs. Combined with classic French geometry, it makes for a very nice ride.
--Eric Norriscampyo...@me.comInsta: @CampyOnlyGuyYouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

On Jun 20, 2023, at 11:45 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:Forgot to add the punch line, as usual, which is that I realized that hanging my 2003 Riv road custom on the wall while I did most of my riding, commuting, on that beater Motobecane, was depriving me of needed fun, so I had local builder Dave Porter convert the Riv into a fixed gear commuter and sold off the Motobecane. The 2003 now-fixed custom saw several years 15-20-mile 1-way commuting duty including bus bike racks, then many grocery errand runs after I started working at home, until it was replaced by a thinner-wall, narrower-gauge tout 531 Chauncey Matthews clone in 2020.On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:41 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:Jamie: I'd guess that the baskets were as material in your "best commuter" award as the bicycle; lovely. Can you name and perhaps provide a link to the source?You are in Santa Fe? I'm in the bosque in Albuquerque. We had a (IIRC) pre-RBW-list NM iBob ride 15 years ago; perhaps there are enough iBobbers and RBW-listers to hold another Riv/Riv-like cyclist get-together.I tried to attach a very short video from that 2008 ride, but the system kicked it back for being too big. I did wear a Rivendell wool jersey and rode a Rivendellianesque if not Rivendellian 1973 Motobecane Grand Record beater commuter fixed gear.Patrick "68 now, 53 then" Moore who rode a 67" fixed gear into a howling NM spring Southerly.On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 11:29 AM Jamie Hascall  wrote:Here are a couple of pictures of Betsy with her Glorious in its glory days. Posting these is much more satisfying than the faded glory photo I posted earlier. It took a bit of digging in her archive to find these. <6E3BCDA7-536D-4785-B781-0DA184BA25CB.jpeg>Winner of "Best Commuter Bike" at Santa Fe bicycle fest<1F0A66D9-915C-442E-A740-5B0C89854E30.jpeg><26FBB81B-57A6-4790-8EB2-FA7402A15A39.jpeg>Our pair of Rivs, ready to ride!-- ---Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for the nostalgia, Tarik.

Those were the days -- March 2008. Look at the saddle to bar drop on the
Motobecane. 67" fixed gear. Bar and saddle are much closer nowadays, and my
hair is a lot shorter and grayer. I miss the jersey and the home-made
knickers (very nice wool gabardine dress pants). But I must resurrect
clips-n-straps.

The Legolas was ridden by a Presbyterian Hospital ER physician (I think ER;
not enough of an **s**le to be a surgeon) from Corrales who had a
collection of just about every Rivendell model from the time. He turned
around because of the wind. I haven't seen him for years.

On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 1:57 PM Jamie Hascall  wrote:

> Wow Tarik! Thanks for posting those pictures! What I find really
> interesting is that I'm riding the Jamis that I bought when I first got to
> Santa Fe, and had not yet bought my Saluki. I was just a Riv wannabe at
> that point. Fun to remember the wind and dust of those Spring New Mexico
> rides.
>
> Cheers!
> Jamie
>
> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 9:38:18 PM UTC-7 tariksa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> 3/16 of ought eight for the NM Bob ride. Ryan, Patrick, Jamie, Me, Chad,
>> someone on a very nice  legolas who probably wisely bailed early.
>> https://flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/albums/72157604133469712
>>
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Jamie Hascall]

Wow Tarik! Thanks for posting those pictures! What I find really 
interesting is that I'm riding the Jamis that I bought when I first got to 
Santa Fe, and had not yet bought my Saluki. I was just a Riv wannabe at 
that point. Fun to remember the wind and dust of those Spring New Mexico 
rides.

Cheers!
Jamie

On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 9:38:18 PM UTC-7 tariksa...@gmail.com wrote:

> 3/16 of ought eight for the NM Bob ride. Ryan, Patrick, Jamie, Me, Chad, 
> someone on a very nice  legolas who probably wisely bailed early.
> https://flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/albums/72157604133469712
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 2:24 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Jamie! I'm sorry, I forgot; the name comes back to me now. The photos 
>> show your wife and not you -- now I understand. I wish I could post the 
>> video, but even that, which does give an indication of the wind's strength, 
>> does not show the compact-car-size tumbleweed clusters that we encountered.
>>
>> I hope the riding in the PNW is as enjoyable as it is here -- at least, 
>> here on less windy days.
>>
>> P
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 2:12 PM Jamie Hascall  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes Patrick, I remember a particularly windy Spring ride with you and 
>>> Tarik and a few others on the Bosque trail. We were assaulted by huge 
>>> tumbleweeds on the way downstream, but on the way back the wind had shifted 
>>> just enough to be fully behind us and gave us a mighty boost for the 
>>>  uphill run. That was probably that 2008 ride you tried to post. I do miss 
>>> a lot about the riding we did in NM but between jobs and a need for a 
>>> moister climate we ended up back in the PNW. Glad to hear you're still 
>>> cranking.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Jamie
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 1:05:19 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>
 And that Motobecane is still seeing regular service here in NorCal, now 
 as a rendered three-speed. Still a great bike—Patrick didn’t mention the 
 full Reynolds 531 tubeset and the old school Nervex lugs. Combined with 
 classic French geometry, it makes for a very nice ride.

 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
 YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

 On Jun 20, 2023, at 11:45 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

 Forgot to add the punch line, as usual, which is that I realized that 
 hanging my 2003 Riv road custom on the wall while I did most of my riding, 
 commuting, on that beater Motobecane, was depriving me of needed fun, so I 
 had local builder Dave Porter convert the Riv into a fixed gear commuter 
 and sold off the Motobecane. The 2003 now-fixed custom saw several years 
 15-20-mile 1-way commuting duty including bus bike racks, then many 
 grocery 
 errand runs after I started working at home, until it was replaced by a 
 thinner-wall, narrower-gauge* tout 531* Chauncey Matthews clone in 
 2020.

 On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:41 PM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

 Jamie: I'd guess that the baskets were as material in your "best 
> commuter" award as the bicycle; lovely. Can you name and perhaps provide 
> a 
> link to the source?
>
> You are in Santa Fe? I'm in the bosque in Albuquerque. We had a (IIRC) 
> pre-RBW-list NM iBob ride 15 years ago; perhaps there are enough iBobbers 
> and RBW-listers to hold another Riv/Riv-like cyclist get-together.
>
> I tried to attach a very short video from that 2008 ride, but the 
> system kicked it back for being too big. I did wear a Rivendell wool 
> jersey 
> and rode a Rivendellianesque if not Rivendellian 1973 Motobecane Grand 
> Record beater commuter fixed gear.
>
> Patrick "68 now, 53 then" Moore who rode a 67" fixed gear into a 
> howling NM spring Southerly.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 11:29 AM Jamie Hascall  
> wrote:
>
 Here are a couple of pictures of Betsy with her Glorious in its glory 
>> days. Posting these is much more satisfying than the faded glory photo I 
>> posted earlier. It took a bit of digging in her archive to find these. 
>> <6E3BCDA7-536D-4785-B781-0DA184BA25CB.jpeg>
>>
> Winner of "Best Commuter Bike" at Santa Fe bicycle fest
>>
> <1F0A66D9-915C-442E-A740-5B0C89854E30.jpeg>
>> <26FBB81B-57A6-4790-8EB2-FA7402A15A39.jpeg>
>>
> Our pair of Rivs, ready to ride!
>>
> -- 

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[tarik saleh]

3/16 of ought eight for the NM Bob ride. Ryan, Patrick, Jamie, Me, Chad,
someone on a very nice  legolas who probably wisely bailed early.
https://flickr.com/photos/targetsalad/albums/72157604133469712


On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 2:24 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Jamie! I'm sorry, I forgot; the name comes back to me now. The photos show
> your wife and not you -- now I understand. I wish I could post the video,
> but even that, which does give an indication of the wind's strength, does
> not show the compact-car-size tumbleweed clusters that we encountered.
>
> I hope the riding in the PNW is as enjoyable as it is here -- at least,
> here on less windy days.
>
> P
>
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 2:12 PM Jamie Hascall 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes Patrick, I remember a particularly windy Spring ride with you and
>> Tarik and a few others on the Bosque trail. We were assaulted by huge
>> tumbleweeds on the way downstream, but on the way back the wind had shifted
>> just enough to be fully behind us and gave us a mighty boost for the
>>  uphill run. That was probably that 2008 ride you tried to post. I do miss
>> a lot about the riding we did in NM but between jobs and a need for a
>> moister climate we ended up back in the PNW. Glad to hear you're still
>> cranking.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Jamie
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 1:05:19 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> And that Motobecane is still seeing regular service here in NorCal, now
>>> as a rendered three-speed. Still a great bike—Patrick didn’t mention the
>>> full Reynolds 531 tubeset and the old school Nervex lugs. Combined with
>>> classic French geometry, it makes for a very nice ride.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>>>
>>> On Jun 20, 2023, at 11:45 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> Forgot to add the punch line, as usual, which is that I realized that
>>> hanging my 2003 Riv road custom on the wall while I did most of my riding,
>>> commuting, on that beater Motobecane, was depriving me of needed fun, so I
>>> had local builder Dave Porter convert the Riv into a fixed gear commuter
>>> and sold off the Motobecane. The 2003 now-fixed custom saw several years
>>> 15-20-mile 1-way commuting duty including bus bike racks, then many grocery
>>> errand runs after I started working at home, until it was replaced by a
>>> thinner-wall, narrower-gauge* tout 531* Chauncey Matthews clone in 2020.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:41 PM Patrick Moore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jamie: I'd guess that the baskets were as material in your "best
 commuter" award as the bicycle; lovely. Can you name and perhaps provide a
 link to the source?

 You are in Santa Fe? I'm in the bosque in Albuquerque. We had a (IIRC)
 pre-RBW-list NM iBob ride 15 years ago; perhaps there are enough iBobbers
 and RBW-listers to hold another Riv/Riv-like cyclist get-together.

 I tried to attach a very short video from that 2008 ride, but the
 system kicked it back for being too big. I did wear a Rivendell wool jersey
 and rode a Rivendellianesque if not Rivendellian 1973 Motobecane Grand
 Record beater commuter fixed gear.

 Patrick "68 now, 53 then" Moore who rode a 67" fixed gear into a
 howling NM spring Southerly.


 On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 11:29 AM Jamie Hascall 
 wrote:

>>> Here are a couple of pictures of Betsy with her Glorious in its glory
> days. Posting these is much more satisfying than the faded glory photo I
> posted earlier. It took a bit of digging in her archive to find these.
> <6E3BCDA7-536D-4785-B781-0DA184BA25CB.jpeg>
>
 Winner of "Best Commuter Bike" at Santa Fe bicycle fest
>
 <1F0A66D9-915C-442E-A740-5B0C89854E30.jpeg>
> <26FBB81B-57A6-4790-8EB2-FA7402A15A39.jpeg>
>
 Our pair of Rivs, ready to ride!
>

>>>
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Mackenzy Albright]

Patrick - proof Marinoni sticker is working - smoke and mirrors. I had a 
few decals left over from the restoration project so decided to stick one 
on the Clementine for fun. I was at a vintage bike swap meet earlier this 
summer and realized many could not identify the Clementine since there 
isn't a large RIV branding sticker and a less popular riv color. So I 
thought a Marinoni frame sticker would be funny (I have an obtuse sense of 
humor) 

the little metal plate is a WZRD bikes cargo deck for occasionally 
strapping odd items to the top tube. It's a little less klunky than the 
blackburn I have for city riding. I use clementine mostly for a city work 
truck these days.

https://www.wzrd.bike/justtryingtosurviveundercapitalism/p/cargo-decks
On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 10:26:18 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Sorry, looked closer and it's a Clem.
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 11:24 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> McKenzie: I was puzzled by the caption to your photo of the Platypus with 
>> the Marinoni sticker, but then came across your CR post about the 
>> refurbished Marinoni track bike.
>>
>> Track Bike: Yes, indeed!
>>
>> Platypus: I can't see the entire bike, but on faith: Yes, indeed!
>>
>> Pray, what is that metal plate bolted to cage bosses with rubber cinch?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 11:18 AM Mackenzy Albright  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The trick is deception. 
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20230701_230336336.jpg]
>>>
>>
>
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Leah Peterson]

Hi Ryan! I rode the Clem to try out those new tires and they leave a lot to be desired on road surfaces compared to the Platys. The Clem is very good but the Platypus is exceptional, so one of those will be the bike I take. Theft is pretty low-risk where I am headed. I’m more worried about damaging the bike in transport. Here’s a wild thought: bring BOTH the Platys!On Jun 27, 2023, at 1:18 PM, Ryan  wrote:Why don't you take your Clem in its new gravel-ready configuration and try it out? Or am I missing something here? Like maybe one of the Platypi is easier to transport, for example...just a question from someone on the precious side of the spectrum who definitely thinks nice beaters also have a place in the stable...and when she was still working, would never, ever lock up her Rivendells outside downtown and tempt fate. On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 10:22:09 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Two things. 1. Caroline, I think of you so often. How is it going with the Betty repairs? 2. I am going on my annual trip to see family in MN/ND this weekend. I will drive and can thus choose a bike to bring along. I am trying to choose between Platys and am faced with the Am I Being Precious question again. I adore both bikes, but the raspberry is more dear. If I take the mermaid bike, there is less worry over anything happening to it. But the memories I want to make are on the red bike. But I love riding the mermaid bike. But I love looking at the red bike. And so on and so forth.On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 3:46:26 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:It's really too bad that they stopped making those baskets. Wicker is wonderful stuff; I recall verandah furniture in 1960s India hand-made from cane wicker; tough stuff, tho' it did tend to flex when old and make neat creaking sounds. But so much more honest than cheap-shite aluminum and plastic webbing, and much longer lasting. I recall that cheap split-wood (?) bushel and smaller baskets were common cheap bulk produce containers in 1960s grocery stores and, even in early 1980s Quebec supermarches, Ste. Anne de Beaupre strawberries would be stacked in season in disposable ~  half-gallon-sized split wood baskets.On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 9:32 AM Jamie Hascall  wrote:To answer Patrick's other questions about the baskets on Betsy's Glorious, they came from Velo-Orange and were made by an Amish family in Minnesota. I had totally forgotten that but when I searched for "Amish bicycle basket", the post from their blog came up. Astonishing!  Sadly, they didn't continue in production. Check it out. https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2007/02/amish-baskets-for-bikes.html 



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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Ryan]

Why don't you take your Clem in its new gravel-ready configuration and try 
it out? Or am I missing something here? Like maybe one of the Platypi is 
easier to transport, for example...just a question from someone on the 
precious side of the spectrum who definitely thinks nice beaters also have 
a place in the stable...and when she was still working, would never, ever 
lock up her Rivendells outside downtown and tempt fate. 

On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 10:22:09 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Two things. 
>
> 1. Caroline, I think of you so often. How is it going with the Betty 
> repairs? 
>
> 2. I am going on my annual trip to see family in MN/ND this weekend. I 
> will drive and can thus choose a bike to bring along. I am trying to choose 
> between Platys and am faced with the Am I Being Precious question again. I 
> adore both bikes, but the raspberry is more dear. If I take the mermaid 
> bike, there is less worry over anything happening to it. But the memories I 
> want to make are on the red bike. But I love riding the mermaid bike. But I 
> love looking at the red bike. And so on and so forth.
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 3:46:26 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> It's really too bad that they stopped making those baskets. Wicker is 
>> wonderful stuff; I recall verandah furniture in 1960s India hand-made from 
>> cane wicker; tough stuff, tho' it did tend to flex when old and make neat 
>> creaking sounds. But so much more honest than cheap-shite aluminum and 
>> plastic webbing, and much longer lasting. I recall that cheap split-wood 
>> (?) bushel and smaller baskets were common cheap bulk produce containers in 
>> 1960s grocery stores and, even in early 1980s Quebec supermarches, Ste. 
>> Anne de Beaupre strawberries would be stacked in season in disposable ~ 
>>  half-gallon-sized split wood baskets.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 9:32 AM Jamie Hascall  wrote:
>>
>>> To answer Patrick's other questions about the baskets on Betsy's 
>>> Glorious, they came from Velo-Orange and were made by an Amish family in 
>>> Minnesota. I had totally forgotten that but when I searched for "Amish 
>>> bicycle basket", the post from their blog came up. Astonishing!  Sadly, 
>>> they didn't continue in production. Check it out. 
>>> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2007/02/amish-baskets-for-bikes.html 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Two things. 

1. Caroline, I think of you so often. How is it going with the Betty 
repairs? 

2. I am going on my annual trip to see family in MN/ND this weekend. I will 
drive and can thus choose a bike to bring along. I am trying to choose 
between Platys and am faced with the Am I Being Precious question again. I 
adore both bikes, but the raspberry is more dear. If I take the mermaid 
bike, there is less worry over anything happening to it. But the memories I 
want to make are on the red bike. But I love riding the mermaid bike. But I 
love looking at the red bike. And so on and so forth.

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 3:46:26 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It's really too bad that they stopped making those baskets. Wicker is 
> wonderful stuff; I recall verandah furniture in 1960s India hand-made from 
> cane wicker; tough stuff, tho' it did tend to flex when old and make neat 
> creaking sounds. But so much more honest than cheap-shite aluminum and 
> plastic webbing, and much longer lasting. I recall that cheap split-wood 
> (?) bushel and smaller baskets were common cheap bulk produce containers in 
> 1960s grocery stores and, even in early 1980s Quebec supermarches, Ste. 
> Anne de Beaupre strawberries would be stacked in season in disposable ~ 
>  half-gallon-sized split wood baskets.
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 9:32 AM Jamie Hascall  wrote:
>
>> To answer Patrick's other questions about the baskets on Betsy's 
>> Glorious, they came from Velo-Orange and were made by an Amish family in 
>> Minnesota. I had totally forgotten that but when I searched for "Amish 
>> bicycle basket", the post from their blog came up. Astonishing!  Sadly, 
>> they didn't continue in production. Check it out. 
>> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2007/02/amish-baskets-for-bikes.html 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Patrick Moore]

It's really too bad that they stopped making those baskets. Wicker is
wonderful stuff; I recall verandah furniture in 1960s India hand-made from
cane wicker; tough stuff, tho' it did tend to flex when old and make neat
creaking sounds. But so much more honest than cheap-shite aluminum and
plastic webbing, and much longer lasting. I recall that cheap split-wood
(?) bushel and smaller baskets were common cheap bulk produce containers in
1960s grocery stores and, even in early 1980s Quebec supermarches, Ste.
Anne de Beaupre strawberries would be stacked in season in disposable ~
 half-gallon-sized split wood baskets.

On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 9:32 AM Jamie Hascall  wrote:

> To answer Patrick's other questions about the baskets on Betsy's Glorious,
> they came from Velo-Orange and were made by an Amish family in Minnesota. I
> had totally forgotten that but when I searched for "Amish bicycle basket",
> the post from their blog came up. Astonishing!  Sadly, they didn't continue
> in production. Check it out.
> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2007/02/amish-baskets-for-bikes.html
>

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Patrick Moore]

I've read that the PX-10 as well as old Raleigh Internationals from about
the same period (late '60s and early '70s?) had plush yet nimble rides, I
guess a combination of long, narrow-gauge, not-thick-wall tubes and gentle
angles? I can't say that my contemporaneous Motobecane (1973, I was told
and it looked right for that period) felt superlative, but it had no vices.
The frame and fork *were* light compared to my 2003 custom Riv which at 58
c-c weighed 7 lb f+f+hs. That Libertas, also late '60s or early '70s that I
keep on bleating about is 60 c-c (tho' severely undersquare with 56 c-c tt)
and *with steel Campy headset* weighs (wait for it; but you've heard it
many times before): 5.9 lb.

Back to users versus wall art: I just got back from a short (11 1/2 mile),
breezy but withal very pleasant grocery detour (went North and East to get
to a Sprout's that is 1 mile directly South of me) on the 2003's
replacement, 2020 Matthews with SA hub* and .8 .4 .8 standard gauge 531
tubes; what a sweet ride even with f and r panniers catching the Southerly
headwind. I carried home some 30-35 lb of food and drink in f & r Ortlieb
Backrollers and sure, the frame is a bit whippy for such loads (tho' I've
carried 50 lb f+r with, if not aplomb, at least with grace), but with good
racks it certainly handles grocery loads better than a 1992 XO-1!

* The SA hub is an AM. But!!! Even as we chat, Aaron the Seattle
IGH-meister is arranging the transplantation of a -- I guess 1950s because
it has the more modern 3-spline driver -- ASC 3-speed fixed gear hub, the
ne plus ultra and ultima Thule of weirdo 3 speed hubs from a
thin-alum-flange 40-hole shell into a modern thick alum flange 32 hole
shell; *and* he is swapping in a threaded driver so that I can use a single
speed fw as well as a standard threaded fixed cog. "Why," you ask? And
indeed, 3-prong 3/32" SA cogs are plentiful and cheap. Answer: Because this
way I can use a ss freewheel if I find that the lash is too annoying.
"British Navy tradition?" scoffed Winston Churchill as First Lord of the
Admiralty; "Nothing but rum, sodomy, and the lash." So you ask, "Why not
just use the damned AM?" Because the ASC has the golden direct-top,
90%-second, and 75% (from top) first, so that where the AM gives me
~75/65/56 gi, the ASC would give 72" (better for this bike), 65" (2-tooth
drop instead of the 2 1/2 tooth equivalent of the AM, and a much nicer
gap), plus a slightly lower 54" first. Lash: The TC also suffers from it,
not as much as the forlorn S3X, so it's just acceptable. If the ASC is like
the TC, then it remains fixed. The S3X is just too much. The TF has hardly
any; hardly any difference to a well-adjusted chain on a standard fixed cog
hub. Justification for this self indulgent excursus? The 2020 Matthews is a
geometric clone of the 2003 Curt Riv.

More than you need or want to know, but there it is.



On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 5:52 AM Ryan  wrote:

> To answer Patrick's question: I love the aesthetic and ride of Rivendells.
> I was an old BOB member and I still own a 93 X0-1. I have a 1997
> All-Rounder, a 2001 Curt-Goodrich built Road and a 2016 Mark Nobilette
> mixte. And it was an absolute pleasure dealing with Rivendell and Grant who
> has an ethos I absolutely admire and respect.
>
> The PX-10 was the first good bike I bought in 1972 a year or so after I
> lost my mother to cancer. Even though her death was imminent it hit me much
> harder than I thought it would and I went into a tailspin that I think the
> bike helped me out of. My current PX-10 was bought in 1981; I had the first
> 2 stolen. My late partner, a fine mechanic among other sterling qualities,
> redished the rear wheel and with moustache bars, we reconfigured it as a
> very nice single-speed. Mechanically, it runs flawlessly, but the paint has
> lots of war wounds ...so not a thief magnet. But it has that j*e ne sais
> quoi  *ride, and , of course, a lot of personal history.
>
> Now my riding is 20-35 km rides around the city; I've slowed my roll since
> the 80's week-long loaded tours and century riding with a local club.
>
> About selling my Rivendells...let's say I'm standing on the edge of the
> cliff, but not quite ready to take the plunge yet. From a financial
> standpoint, I don't need to sell them, and I think Winnipeg would be a
> tough market, unfortunately.
>
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 5:17:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> What are those Rivs, and why do you choose the PX-10 instead of them?
>> What sort of riding?
>>
>> I love Rivendell, but I'll not allow ideological purity to keep me from
>> choosing other bikes that please me better. Only, the very best bike of all
>> the scores that I've owned over the last 25 years is that 1999 Joe Starck
>> custom, and if I had the money I'd order a custom Legolas except without
>> the Legolas features to make it a as-light-tubed-as-possible gofast
>> derailleur road bike, and perhaps a customized Clem to take 700C X 3" tires.
>>
>>
>>
>> I 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Jamie Hascall]

To answer Patrick's other questions about the baskets on Betsy's Glorious, 
they came from Velo-Orange and were made by an Amish family in Minnesota. I 
had totally forgotten that but when I searched for "Amish bicycle basket", 
the post from their blog came up. Astonishing!  Sadly, they didn't continue 
in production. Check it out. 
https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2007/02/amish-baskets-for-bikes.html 

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 6:49:06 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> I have only owned the bike for eight years. It had a defective stem 
> (handlebars were tilted) and a defective front derailleur and had evidently 
> been put in the back of a shop and forgotten about. Someone in North 
> Carolina found it and sold it to me. I disassembled the bike and and 
> sprayed the inside with frame-saver. I replace the stem with an NOS PIVO 
> stem, determined that the front derailleur's problem was mounting bolts 
> that were too long that had cracked the body of the derailleur. I replaced 
> with another NOS Simplex derailleur. I added some loose ball bearings to 
> the headset - I think it was missing about 7. Re-greased and adjusted the 
> BB. I rewrapped the handlebars with the old black cloth tape after 
> replacing the stem (not original, but dealers usually rewrapped the 
> handlebars in black because the original white tape started to show dust 
> and dirt just from sitting. I even bought a 50 foot roll of the original 
> style brake cable housing. You can tell that the bike had never been ridden 
> because the original sew-up rims have never been glued to a sew-up. I rode 
> the bike with a set of clincher wheels on it. The inner cables are all 
> original. I had the original steel seatpost re-chromed. I found some 
> matching paint at the local hobby store and toched up chips in the paint - 
> mostly around the seat lug. I recently waxed the original chain.
> Back in 72 I had bought a used Tour de France, same size but in white with 
> silk sew-up tires. The frame was too tall for me, but that was the only way 
> to get a long enough top tube. I rode it to high school, I rode it on club 
> rides, I rode it to college in Tallahassee, Atlanta and Gainesville. I rode 
> it back and forth from Gainesville to Daytona Beach (miles) multiple times. 
> Then one day in 75, an on on-duty police officer broadsided me in the 
> crosswalk. He paid for the damage and I bought my Schwinn Paramount P-15 
> (still have it), but the Tour de France was always special to me and when 
> this one came along I jumped at the chance. It is orange after all (as is 
> my Rivendell Custom).
> The early seventies were a bike boom time and the French were cashing in 
> as fast as they could - No telling exactly what components would come on a 
> bike - my original TdF had Campagnolo dropouts (same as the Paramount), but 
> this one has Simplex dropouts. The brazing of the lugs is sloppy, the paint 
> is thin and the foil decals are very fragile - very crude next to a 
> Rivendell, but there is just something about French frames that makes them 
> ride beautifully. French stems are notoriously fragile (and short). So it 
> is kind of my museum piece at this point. I do think about gluing some fat 
> Rene Herse sew-ups to the rims, putting a Nitto stem and bars on it and 
> riding it in a Eroica ride one of these days (maybe after I retire). I also 
> have a nice Ideale leather saddle for it.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:54:13 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Laing, you take the cake for being precious! You have a bike that is 50 
>> years old and was only ridden once? I’m going to get a tee shirt made for 
>> you!
>>
>> I have been rather hard on the old gal lately - my most precious bike is 
>> getting a ton of miles this summer. She’s dirty and gritty and starting to 
>> make noises that will need bike shop attention.  I have a stupid goal this 
>> week and I might pull it off. I’ll ride group/club rides all week, and 
>> still keep up my weights, core, and running. I usually only do 2-3 club 
>> rides/week. I got my 2nd one done tonight and I’m TIRED. And because this 
>> is my club ride bike, all the miles will be this Platy’s. Tomorrow is a 
>> brewery ride and I don’t know what the lock-up situation is because they 
>> don’t reveal where we are going until we’re on the way. Might get some 
>> fresh scratches tomorrow! Practicing not being precious.
>>
>> I put a Cateye Quick on my Platypus today. It looks dumb but I really 
>> wanted to start calculating mileage over this bike’s lifetime. I don’t 
>> think I can keep up to Pam Murray with her 72,000 mi on her 2011 Betty, but 
>> since this bike is my lifetime bike, I want to know how many miles we 
>> travel. Plus, as Pam pointed out, you can figure out how many miles you are 
>> getting out of your components. She has a logbook and tracks hers.
>>
>> To bed! Work at 6 am, brewery ride at 6 pm!
>> Leah
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 20, 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[lconley]

I have only owned the bike for eight years. It had a defective stem 
(handlebars were tilted) and a defective front derailleur and had evidently 
been put in the back of a shop and forgotten about. Someone in North 
Carolina found it and sold it to me. I disassembled the bike and and 
sprayed the inside with frame-saver. I replace the stem with an NOS PIVO 
stem, determined that the front derailleur's problem was mounting bolts 
that were too long that had cracked the body of the derailleur. I replaced 
with another NOS Simplex derailleur. I added some loose ball bearings to 
the headset - I think it was missing about 7. Re-greased and adjusted the 
BB. I rewrapped the handlebars with the old black cloth tape after 
replacing the stem (not original, but dealers usually rewrapped the 
handlebars in black because the original white tape started to show dust 
and dirt just from sitting. I even bought a 50 foot roll of the original 
style brake cable housing. You can tell that the bike had never been ridden 
because the original sew-up rims have never been glued to a sew-up. I rode 
the bike with a set of clincher wheels on it. The inner cables are all 
original. I had the original steel seatpost re-chromed. I found some 
matching paint at the local hobby store and toched up chips in the paint - 
mostly around the seat lug. I recently waxed the original chain.
Back in 72 I had bought a used Tour de France, same size but in white with 
silk sew-up tires. The frame was too tall for me, but that was the only way 
to get a long enough top tube. I rode it to high school, I rode it on club 
rides, I rode it to college in Tallahassee, Atlanta and Gainesville. I rode 
it back and forth from Gainesville to Daytona Beach (miles) multiple times. 
Then one day in 75, an on on-duty police officer broadsided me in the 
crosswalk. He paid for the damage and I bought my Schwinn Paramount P-15 
(still have it), but the Tour de France was always special to me and when 
this one came along I jumped at the chance. It is orange after all (as is 
my Rivendell Custom).
The early seventies were a bike boom time and the French were cashing in as 
fast as they could - No telling exactly what components would come on a 
bike - my original TdF had Campagnolo dropouts (same as the Paramount), but 
this one has Simplex dropouts. The brazing of the lugs is sloppy, the paint 
is thin and the foil decals are very fragile - very crude next to a 
Rivendell, but there is just something about French frames that makes them 
ride beautifully. French stems are notoriously fragile (and short). So it 
is kind of my museum piece at this point. I do think about gluing some fat 
Rene Herse sew-ups to the rims, putting a Nitto stem and bars on it and 
riding it in a Eroica ride one of these days (maybe after I retire). I also 
have a nice Ideale leather saddle for it.

Laing

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:54:13 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Laing, you take the cake for being precious! You have a bike that is 50 
> years old and was only ridden once? I’m going to get a tee shirt made for 
> you!
>
> I have been rather hard on the old gal lately - my most precious bike is 
> getting a ton of miles this summer. She’s dirty and gritty and starting to 
> make noises that will need bike shop attention.  I have a stupid goal this 
> week and I might pull it off. I’ll ride group/club rides all week, and 
> still keep up my weights, core, and running. I usually only do 2-3 club 
> rides/week. I got my 2nd one done tonight and I’m TIRED. And because this 
> is my club ride bike, all the miles will be this Platy’s. Tomorrow is a 
> brewery ride and I don’t know what the lock-up situation is because they 
> don’t reveal where we are going until we’re on the way. Might get some 
> fresh scratches tomorrow! Practicing not being precious.
>
> I put a Cateye Quick on my Platypus today. It looks dumb but I really 
> wanted to start calculating mileage over this bike’s lifetime. I don’t 
> think I can keep up to Pam Murray with her 72,000 mi on her 2011 Betty, but 
> since this bike is my lifetime bike, I want to know how many miles we 
> travel. Plus, as Pam pointed out, you can figure out how many miles you are 
> getting out of your components. She has a logbook and tracks hers.
>
> To bed! Work at 6 am, brewery ride at 6 pm!
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 20, 2023, at 6:44 PM, lconley  wrote:
>
> Forgot the picture:
>
> 
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:37:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Ahh, the mysterious pleasures of French frames. I have a 52 year old 
>> Gitane Tour de France - with an all Reynolds 531 frame. The French would 
>> use the top tube as the seat tube and the seat tube as the top tube from 
>> the tubeset resulting in the requirements of oversized brake cable clamps 
>> on the top tube (or just longer screws) and front derailleurs that needed 
>> smaller clamps for the seat tube. I found Rivendell years ago when 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Ryan]

To answer Patrick's question: I love the aesthetic and ride of Rivendells. 
I was an old BOB member and I still own a 93 X0-1. I have a 1997 
All-Rounder, a 2001 Curt-Goodrich built Road and a 2016 Mark Nobilette 
mixte. And it was an absolute pleasure dealing with Rivendell and Grant who 
has an ethos I absolutely admire and respect. 

The PX-10 was the first good bike I bought in 1972 a year or so after I 
lost my mother to cancer. Even though her death was imminent it hit me much 
harder than I thought it would and I went into a tailspin that I think the 
bike helped me out of. My current PX-10 was bought in 1981; I had the first 
2 stolen. My late partner, a fine mechanic among other sterling qualities, 
redished the rear wheel and with moustache bars, we reconfigured it as a 
very nice single-speed. Mechanically, it runs flawlessly, but the paint has 
lots of war wounds ...so not a thief magnet. But it has that j*e ne sais 
quoi  *ride, and , of course, a lot of personal history. 

Now my riding is 20-35 km rides around the city; I've slowed my roll since 
the 80's week-long loaded tours and century riding with a local club.

About selling my Rivendells...let's say I'm standing on the edge of the 
cliff, but not quite ready to take the plunge yet. From a financial 
standpoint, I don't need to sell them, and I think Winnipeg would be a 
tough market, unfortunately.

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 5:17:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> What are those Rivs, and why do you choose the PX-10 instead of them? What 
> sort of riding?
>
> I love Rivendell, but I'll not allow ideological purity to keep me from 
> choosing other bikes that please me better. Only, the very best bike of all 
> the scores that I've owned over the last 25 years is that 1999 Joe Starck 
> custom, and if I had the money I'd order a custom Legolas except without 
> the Legolas features to make it a as-light-tubed-as-possible gofast 
> derailleur road bike, and perhaps a customized Clem to take 700C X 3" tires.
>
>
>
> I liked that Motobecane, but the expensive Riv custom once converted to 
> commuting and errand duties was even more fun for utility riding, and the 
> Chauncey Matthews replacement for that Riv is even more fun for the same 
> purpose.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 3:21 PM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> Yes indeed. My 50-year old PX-10 is still being ridden  as a 
>> single-speed   . Much more than my Rivendells I'm afraid. Might soon be 
>> time to release those precious Rivendells
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Leah Peterson]

Laing, you take the cake for being precious! You have a bike that is 50 years old and was only ridden once? I’m going to get a tee shirt made for you!I have been rather hard on the old gal lately - my most precious bike is getting a ton of miles this summer. She’s dirty and gritty and starting to make noises that will need bike shop attention.  I have a stupid goal this week and I might pull it off. I’ll ride group/club rides all week, and still keep up my weights, core, and running. I usually only do 2-3 club rides/week. I got my 2nd one done tonight and I’m TIRED. And because this is my club ride bike, all the miles will be this Platy’s. Tomorrow is a brewery ride and I don’t know what the lock-up situation is because they don’t reveal where we are going until we’re on the way. Might get some fresh scratches tomorrow! Practicing not being precious.I put a Cateye Quick on my Platypus today. It looks dumb but I really wanted to start calculating mileage over this bike’s lifetime. I don’t think I can keep up to Pam Murray with her 72,000 mi on her 2011 Betty, but since this bike is my lifetime bike, I want to know how many miles we travel. Plus, as Pam pointed out, you can figure out how many miles you are getting out of your components. She has a logbook and tracks hers.To bed! Work at 6 am, brewery ride at 6 pm!LeahSent from my iPhoneOn Jun 20, 2023, at 6:44 PM, lconley  wrote:Forgot the picture:LaingOn Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:37:52 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:Ahh, the mysterious pleasures of French frames. I have a 52 year old Gitane Tour de France - with an all Reynolds 531 frame. The French would use the top tube as the seat tube and the seat tube as the top tube from the tubeset resulting in the requirements of oversized brake cable clamps on the top tube (or just longer screws) and front derailleurs that needed smaller clamps for the seat tube. I found Rivendell years ago when looking for French frames. The 58 cm Gitane Tour de France frame weighs 7 lb. 5 oz. with Stronglight headset, Stronglight bottom bracket and fully Weigle Frame Savered - lighter than a 47 cm Roadini. All of the derailleur cable clamps, FD, and shifters are bolt on and the RD hanger is not part of the dropout, so it would make a very clean single speed, but given that it is an only ridden once, NOS bicycle, I haven't been able to bring myself to do it, talk about being precious!LaingOn Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:17:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:What are those Rivs, and why do you choose the PX-10 instead of them? What sort of riding?I love Rivendell, but I'll not allow ideological purity to keep me from choosing other bikes that please me better. Only, the very best bike of all the scores that I've owned over the last 25 years is that 1999 Joe Starck custom, and if I had the money I'd order a custom Legolas except without the Legolas features to make it a as-light-tubed-as-possible gofast derailleur road bike, and perhaps a customized Clem to take 700C X 3" tires.I liked that Motobecane, but the expensive Riv custom once converted to commuting and errand duties was even more fun for utility riding, and the Chauncey Matthews replacement for that Riv is even more fun for the same purpose.On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 3:21 PM Ryan  wrote:Yes indeed. My 50-year old PX-10 is still being ridden 

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[lconley]

Ahh, the mysterious pleasures of French frames. I have a 52 year old Gitane 
Tour de France - with an all Reynolds 531 frame. The French would use the 
top tube as the seat tube and the seat tube as the top tube from the 
tubeset resulting in the requirements of oversized brake cable clamps on 
the top tube (or just longer screws) and front derailleurs that needed 
smaller clamps for the seat tube. I found Rivendell years ago when looking 
for French frames. The 58 cm Gitane Tour de France frame weighs 7 lb. 5 oz. 
with Stronglight headset, Stronglight bottom bracket and fully Weigle Frame 
Savered - lighter than a 47 cm Roadini. All of the derailleur cable clamps, 
FD, and shifters are bolt on and the RD hanger is not part of the dropout, 
so it would make a very clean single speed, but given that it is an only 
ridden once, NOS bicycle, I haven't been able to bring myself to do it, 
talk about being precious!

Laing

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 6:17:14 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> What are those Rivs, and why do you choose the PX-10 instead of them? What 
> sort of riding?
>
> I love Rivendell, but I'll not allow ideological purity to keep me from 
> choosing other bikes that please me better. Only, the very best bike of all 
> the scores that I've owned over the last 25 years is that 1999 Joe Starck 
> custom, and if I had the money I'd order a custom Legolas except without 
> the Legolas features to make it a as-light-tubed-as-possible gofast 
> derailleur road bike, and perhaps a customized Clem to take 700C X 3" tires.
>
>
>
> I liked that Motobecane, but the expensive Riv custom once converted to 
> commuting and errand duties was even more fun for utility riding, and the 
> Chauncey Matthews replacement for that Riv is even more fun for the same 
> purpose.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 3:21 PM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> Yes indeed. My 50-year old PX-10 is still being ridden  as a 
>> single-speed   . Much more than my Rivendells I'm afraid. Might soon be 
>> time to release those precious Rivendells
>>
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Patrick Moore]

What are those Rivs, and why do you choose the PX-10 instead of them? What
sort of riding?

I love Rivendell, but I'll not allow ideological purity to keep me from
choosing other bikes that please me better. Only, the very best bike of all
the scores that I've owned over the last 25 years is that 1999 Joe Starck
custom, and if I had the money I'd order a custom Legolas except without
the Legolas features to make it a as-light-tubed-as-possible gofast
derailleur road bike, and perhaps a customized Clem to take 700C X 3" tires.



I liked that Motobecane, but the expensive Riv custom once converted to
commuting and errand duties was even more fun for utility riding, and the
Chauncey Matthews replacement for that Riv is even more fun for the same
purpose.



On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 3:21 PM Ryan  wrote:

> Yes indeed. My 50-year old PX-10 is still being ridden  as a
> single-speed   . Much more than my Rivendells I'm afraid. Might soon be
> time to release those precious Rivendells
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Ryan]

Yes indeed. My 50-year old PX-10 is still being ridden  as a single-speed   
. Much more than my Rivendells I'm afraid. Might soon be time to release 
those precious Rivendells

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> And that Motobecane is still seeing regular service here in NorCal, now as 
> a rendered three-speed. Still a great bike—Patrick didn’t mention the full 
> Reynolds 531 tubeset and the old school Nervex lugs. Combined with classic 
> French geometry, it makes for a very nice ride.
>
> --Eric Norris
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>
> On Jun 20, 2023, at 11:45 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> Forgot to add the punch line, as usual, which is that I realized that 
> hanging my 2003 Riv road custom on the wall while I did most of my riding, 
> commuting, on that beater Motobecane, was depriving me of needed fun, so I 
> had local builder Dave Porter convert the Riv into a fixed gear commuter 
> and sold off the Motobecane. The 2003 now-fixed custom saw several years 
> 15-20-mile 1-way commuting duty including bus bike racks, then many grocery 
> errand runs after I started working at home, until it was replaced by a 
> thinner-wall, narrower-gauge* tout 531* Chauncey Matthews clone in 2020.
>
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:41 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> Jamie: I'd guess that the baskets were as material in your "best commuter" 
>> award as the bicycle; lovely. Can you name and perhaps provide a link to 
>> the source?
>>
>> You are in Santa Fe? I'm in the bosque in Albuquerque. We had a (IIRC) 
>> pre-RBW-list NM iBob ride 15 years ago; perhaps there are enough iBobbers 
>> and RBW-listers to hold another Riv/Riv-like cyclist get-together.
>>
>> I tried to attach a very short video from that 2008 ride, but the system 
>> kicked it back for being too big. I did wear a Rivendell wool jersey and 
>> rode a Rivendellianesque if not Rivendellian 1973 Motobecane Grand Record 
>> beater commuter fixed gear.
>>
>> Patrick "68 now, 53 then" Moore who rode a 67" fixed gear into a howling 
>> NM spring Southerly.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 11:29 AM Jamie Hascall  
>> wrote:
>>
> Here are a couple of pictures of Betsy with her Glorious in its glory 
>>> days. Posting these is much more satisfying than the faded glory photo I 
>>> posted earlier. It took a bit of digging in her archive to find these. 
>>> <6E3BCDA7-536D-4785-B781-0DA184BA25CB.jpeg>
>>>
>> Winner of "Best Commuter Bike" at Santa Fe bicycle fest
>>>
>> <1F0A66D9-915C-442E-A740-5B0C89854E30.jpeg>
>>> <26FBB81B-57A6-4790-8EB2-FA7402A15A39.jpeg>
>>>
>> Our pair of Rivs, ready to ride!
>>>
>>
>
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Patrick Moore]

Jamie! I'm sorry, I forgot; the name comes back to me now. The photos show
your wife and not you -- now I understand. I wish I could post the video,
but even that, which does give an indication of the wind's strength, does
not show the compact-car-size tumbleweed clusters that we encountered.

I hope the riding in the PNW is as enjoyable as it is here -- at least,
here on less windy days.

P

On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 2:12 PM Jamie Hascall  wrote:

> Yes Patrick, I remember a particularly windy Spring ride with you and
> Tarik and a few others on the Bosque trail. We were assaulted by huge
> tumbleweeds on the way downstream, but on the way back the wind had shifted
> just enough to be fully behind us and gave us a mighty boost for the
>  uphill run. That was probably that 2008 ride you tried to post. I do miss
> a lot about the riding we did in NM but between jobs and a need for a
> moister climate we ended up back in the PNW. Glad to hear you're still
> cranking.
>
> Cheers!
> Jamie
>
> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 1:05:19 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> And that Motobecane is still seeing regular service here in NorCal, now
>> as a rendered three-speed. Still a great bike—Patrick didn’t mention the
>> full Reynolds 531 tubeset and the old school Nervex lugs. Combined with
>> classic French geometry, it makes for a very nice ride.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>> On Jun 20, 2023, at 11:45 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> Forgot to add the punch line, as usual, which is that I realized that
>> hanging my 2003 Riv road custom on the wall while I did most of my riding,
>> commuting, on that beater Motobecane, was depriving me of needed fun, so I
>> had local builder Dave Porter convert the Riv into a fixed gear commuter
>> and sold off the Motobecane. The 2003 now-fixed custom saw several years
>> 15-20-mile 1-way commuting duty including bus bike racks, then many grocery
>> errand runs after I started working at home, until it was replaced by a
>> thinner-wall, narrower-gauge* tout 531* Chauncey Matthews clone in 2020.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:41 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> Jamie: I'd guess that the baskets were as material in your "best
>>> commuter" award as the bicycle; lovely. Can you name and perhaps provide a
>>> link to the source?
>>>
>>> You are in Santa Fe? I'm in the bosque in Albuquerque. We had a (IIRC)
>>> pre-RBW-list NM iBob ride 15 years ago; perhaps there are enough iBobbers
>>> and RBW-listers to hold another Riv/Riv-like cyclist get-together.
>>>
>>> I tried to attach a very short video from that 2008 ride, but the system
>>> kicked it back for being too big. I did wear a Rivendell wool jersey and
>>> rode a Rivendellianesque if not Rivendellian 1973 Motobecane Grand Record
>>> beater commuter fixed gear.
>>>
>>> Patrick "68 now, 53 then" Moore who rode a 67" fixed gear into a howling
>>> NM spring Southerly.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 11:29 AM Jamie Hascall 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> Here are a couple of pictures of Betsy with her Glorious in its glory
 days. Posting these is much more satisfying than the faded glory photo I
 posted earlier. It took a bit of digging in her archive to find these.
 <6E3BCDA7-536D-4785-B781-0DA184BA25CB.jpeg>

>>> Winner of "Best Commuter Bike" at Santa Fe bicycle fest

>>> <1F0A66D9-915C-442E-A740-5B0C89854E30.jpeg>
 <26FBB81B-57A6-4790-8EB2-FA7402A15A39.jpeg>

>>> Our pair of Rivs, ready to ride!

>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Jamie Hascall]

Yes Patrick, I remember a particularly windy Spring ride with you and Tarik 
and a few others on the Bosque trail. We were assaulted by huge tumbleweeds 
on the way downstream, but on the way back the wind had shifted just enough 
to be fully behind us and gave us a mighty boost for the  uphill run. That 
was probably that 2008 ride you tried to post. I do miss a lot about the 
riding we did in NM but between jobs and a need for a moister climate we 
ended up back in the PNW. Glad to hear you're still cranking.

Cheers!
Jamie

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 1:05:19 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> And that Motobecane is still seeing regular service here in NorCal, now as 
> a rendered three-speed. Still a great bike—Patrick didn’t mention the full 
> Reynolds 531 tubeset and the old school Nervex lugs. Combined with classic 
> French geometry, it makes for a very nice ride.
>
> --Eric Norris
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>
> On Jun 20, 2023, at 11:45 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> Forgot to add the punch line, as usual, which is that I realized that 
> hanging my 2003 Riv road custom on the wall while I did most of my riding, 
> commuting, on that beater Motobecane, was depriving me of needed fun, so I 
> had local builder Dave Porter convert the Riv into a fixed gear commuter 
> and sold off the Motobecane. The 2003 now-fixed custom saw several years 
> 15-20-mile 1-way commuting duty including bus bike racks, then many grocery 
> errand runs after I started working at home, until it was replaced by a 
> thinner-wall, narrower-gauge* tout 531* Chauncey Matthews clone in 2020.
>
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:41 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> Jamie: I'd guess that the baskets were as material in your "best commuter" 
>> award as the bicycle; lovely. Can you name and perhaps provide a link to 
>> the source?
>>
>> You are in Santa Fe? I'm in the bosque in Albuquerque. We had a (IIRC) 
>> pre-RBW-list NM iBob ride 15 years ago; perhaps there are enough iBobbers 
>> and RBW-listers to hold another Riv/Riv-like cyclist get-together.
>>
>> I tried to attach a very short video from that 2008 ride, but the system 
>> kicked it back for being too big. I did wear a Rivendell wool jersey and 
>> rode a Rivendellianesque if not Rivendellian 1973 Motobecane Grand Record 
>> beater commuter fixed gear.
>>
>> Patrick "68 now, 53 then" Moore who rode a 67" fixed gear into a howling 
>> NM spring Southerly.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 11:29 AM Jamie Hascall  
>> wrote:
>>
> Here are a couple of pictures of Betsy with her Glorious in its glory 
>>> days. Posting these is much more satisfying than the faded glory photo I 
>>> posted earlier. It took a bit of digging in her archive to find these. 
>>> <6E3BCDA7-536D-4785-B781-0DA184BA25CB.jpeg>
>>>
>> Winner of "Best Commuter Bike" at Santa Fe bicycle fest
>>>
>> <1F0A66D9-915C-442E-A740-5B0C89854E30.jpeg>
>>> <26FBB81B-57A6-4790-8EB2-FA7402A15A39.jpeg>
>>>
>> Our pair of Rivs, ready to ride!
>>>
>>
>
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

And that Motobecane is still seeing regular service here in NorCal, now as a 
rendered three-speed. Still a great bike—Patrick didn’t mention the full 
Reynolds 531 tubeset and the old school Nervex lugs. Combined with classic 
French geometry, it makes for a very nice ride.

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> On Jun 20, 2023, at 11:45 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> Forgot to add the punch line, as usual, which is that I realized that hanging 
> my 2003 Riv road custom on the wall while I did most of my riding, commuting, 
> on that beater Motobecane, was depriving me of needed fun, so I had local 
> builder Dave Porter convert the Riv into a fixed gear commuter and sold off 
> the Motobecane. The 2003 now-fixed custom saw several years 15-20-mile 1-way 
> commuting duty including bus bike racks, then many grocery errand runs after 
> I started working at home, until it was replaced by a thinner-wall, 
> narrower-gauge tout 531 Chauncey Matthews clone in 2020.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 12:41 PM Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>> Jamie: I'd guess that the baskets were as material in your "best commuter" 
>> award as the bicycle; lovely. Can you name and perhaps provide a link to the 
>> source?
>> 
>> You are in Santa Fe? I'm in the bosque in Albuquerque. We had a (IIRC) 
>> pre-RBW-list NM iBob ride 15 years ago; perhaps there are enough iBobbers 
>> and RBW-listers to hold another Riv/Riv-like cyclist get-together.
>> 
>> I tried to attach a very short video from that 2008 ride, but the system 
>> kicked it back for being too big. I did wear a Rivendell wool jersey and 
>> rode a Rivendellianesque if not Rivendellian 1973 Motobecane Grand Record 
>> beater commuter fixed gear.
>> 
>> Patrick "68 now, 53 then" Moore who rode a 67" fixed gear into a howling NM 
>> spring Southerly.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 11:29 AM Jamie Hascall > > wrote:
>>> Here are a couple of pictures of Betsy with her Glorious in its glory days. 
>>> Posting these is much more satisfying than the faded glory photo I posted 
>>> earlier. It took a bit of digging in her archive to find these. 
>>> <6E3BCDA7-536D-4785-B781-0DA184BA25CB.jpeg>
>>> Winner of "Best Commuter Bike" at Santa Fe bicycle fest
>>> <1F0A66D9-915C-442E-A740-5B0C89854E30.jpeg><26FBB81B-57A6-4790-8EB2-FA7402A15A39.jpeg>
>>> Our pair of Rivs, ready to ride!
> 
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Caroline Golum]

Thanks everyone, appreciate the well-wishes because this is truly a pain in 
the ass. 

And Leah, to answer your questions: 
1) I have no idea what kind of mileage I've clocked, but for a time I was 
commuting anywhere from 5-9 mi/day five days/wk for months on end, so even 
at a conservative estimate of 2,000 miles/year I've probably done about 
26k. That doesn't include longer rides, going to and fro from different 
events and errands, etc. Could be more! I never bothered to get a computer. 
2) The paint job is a custom color I chose when I ordered the frame (I 
wasn't wild about the sky blue, to be honest), although I did inquire about 
a raw steel/clear coat combo initially. One of these days I'm going to have 
the whole frame stripped, shipped, and repainted, but for now I just gotta 
get it out of the shop! 

And PIAW - agree, unless you're regularly making adjustments to the cockpit 
these things fall by the wayside. I didn't mess with the stem until 
recently, when I tried to raise it in order to adjust my reach while I deal 
with this shoulder issue. Tug at the sweater and the whole thing unravels, 
as they say. 
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 10:49:44 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> A seized quill stem is one of the problems the aheadset style stem was 
> designed to solve. In time, water, sweat, etc., goes down between the neck 
> of the stem and the headset entryway and  causes galvanic corrosion. The 
> preventive measure is to remove the stem once a year, regrease it, and put 
> it back in, but of course if the bike's working and you don't need to mess 
> with stem height it's very easy to forget (I haven't done it in years and I 
> have to put a calendar entry for myself to remember to do it now that I do 
> have a bike with a quill stem). You're supposed to do it with the seat post 
> too.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Piaw Na]

A seized quill stem is one of the problems the aheadset style stem was 
designed to solve. In time, water, sweat, etc., goes down between the neck 
of the stem and the headset entryway and  causes galvanic corrosion. The 
preventive measure is to remove the stem once a year, regrease it, and put 
it back in, but of course if the bike's working and you don't need to mess 
with stem height it's very easy to forget (I haven't done it in years and I 
have to put a calendar entry for myself to remember to do it now that I do 
have a bike with a quill stem). You're supposed to do it with the seat post 
too.

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Leah Peterson]

Wow, Caroline! What a story. And that Betty - I have never seen one unpainted. It is unpainted, right? Hard to tell in the photo but I suppose it could be a very matte gray. Did it come that way? Did you order it that way? I’m so curious.I so enjoyed reading about your learning journey. Bike parts, mechanical stuff, choosing just what you wanted in the build and getting it exactly right. What a rich history you and this Betty share. Do you have any idea how many miles you might have on it? Pam Murray just crossed over 74,000 on her 2010 Betty (I think, but I can’t find her photo now…) and it’s awesome to know there’s another well-traveled Betty out there.Our stories are more alike than different. My first fine bike was also a Betty Foy! I had only Walmart and Target up until then, so when I got that Betty it felt like sheer bliss. It’s also funny to hear you use the words “extension of my body” because I have used that exact description - and probably on this very forum - about my Betty. Because you’re right; the bike feels like part of you and all other bikes feel foreign. You don’t even think about it - just jump on the Betty and it’s as natural as walking with your own two feet.With that said, I really hope the stem is not seized so badly. There are surely some tricks the shop can employ and maybe the stem will come loose. I’m just so sorry (and in the high season, too!) and please let us know how it all turns out for you.RivSisters,LeahOn Jun 14, 2023, at 5:27 AM, Caroline Golum  wrote:Thank you Leah <3 it’s a real hassle dealing with this during the high season but better late than never. And while it is a common problem I still feel like a major scrub!And apologies for neglecting to include my bike details and setup in the reply - I ride a 50cm Betty Foy that I ordered from Riv way back in October 2009! This is part of my anxiety about the whole stem issue - the bike is irreplaceable, so the prospect of messing up my bike after so many hard-ridden years is upsetting, to say the least. Anyway, some backstory: I started riding in NYC when I turned 20, figuring if I was still living in my car-dominated hometown I would’ve acquired a car by that time. In HS I hung around a punk bike coop and learned basic repairs and rode an old three-speed Free Spirit mixte before I left home. My first NYC bike was a Bianchi Milano with an internal 8spd hub, which I loved, but it wasn’t quite “enough bike” for me. I was working at a bike shop at the time, and wanted more options so I could get really specific with the build. I ended up selling the Milano for half the cost of my Riv frame and road a beater until I finished making the payments (I’m especially proud of the nail polish touch up job I did on the paint). After some shopping around looking at Soma, Mercian, etc. but went with Riv because of their legendary quality. I built up the bike at a shop at which I was working, and it’s been an extension of my body ever since. Picking and choosing the parts, poring over build options, etc. taught me a lot about bikes and bike maintenance, which is something I was already interested in. It didn’t occur to me that these bikes were such cult objects at the time - I just wanted something well-made, good-looking, and functioning. I like to say it was the first time in my life that I got *exactly* what I wanted, and despite years of wear the ol’ gal still turns heads everywhere I go. It’s also had an inadvertently positive effect on my romantic life - I got the bike around the same time one of my guy friends got a VO, and our shared affinity for fussy bike stuff became a feature of our friendship. Now he’s my boyfriend, and we still bike everywhere together <3 When I told him about this stem problem over the weekend, he very quickly pointed out that it’s better to use your bike constantly and have to fix it than have it sitting in a garage indefinitely. Well if you’ve read this far no doubt you ought to see the bike itself, so here’s a photo I took recently during an outing in Prospect Park: https://imgur.com/a/RoSql4kOn Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 10:55:29 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Hi Caroline,I don’t believe I’ve had the pleasure of “meeting” you on this site, but I am glad to have had the chance via this thread today. Welcome, RivSister. I’m so sorry about your seized stem. Really and truly. I imagine you feel a little sick at heart about the whole thing. But you also wisely acknowledge the enrichment the bike has brought to your life. You have identified the problem and you are getting the bike serviced now, and this will not happen to you again. (You’ll be heavy-handed with the grease after this.) It will be ok! Also, you have done some of us a service because I bet there will be some who will read this post and then check their stems and seat posts.I really enjoyed reading your post and picturing your life with this bike. Would you delight us with a little more of the story? What is the bike you have? How 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The trails I've been riding lately are very dusty.  I've purposely not 
wiped that dust off my Atlantis MIT because it reminds me of the 
pleasurable miles I've covered recently.  Beausage is a real thing!  Just 
keep the drivetrain clean.  I think we all express our love in different 
ways and at some point I'll give my bike a good cleaning and admire it all 
over again.Tim.

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 6:26:53 AM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:

> Thank you Leah <3 it’s a real hassle dealing with this during the high 
> season but better late than never. And while it is a common problem I still 
> feel like a major scrub!
>
> And apologies for neglecting to include my bike details and setup in the 
> reply - I ride a 50cm Betty Foy that I ordered from Riv way back in October 
> 2009! This is part of my anxiety about the whole stem issue - the bike is 
> irreplaceable, so the prospect of messing up my bike after so many 
> hard-ridden years is upsetting, to say the least. 
>
> Anyway, some backstory: I started riding in NYC when I turned 20, figuring 
> if I was still living in my car-dominated hometown I would’ve acquired a 
> car by that time. In HS I hung around a punk bike coop and learned basic 
> repairs and rode an old three-speed Free Spirit mixte before I left home. My 
> first NYC bike was a Bianchi Milano 
>  
> with an internal 8spd hub, which I loved, but it wasn’t quite “enough bike” 
> for me. I was working at a bike shop at the time, and wanted more options 
> so I could get really specific with the build. I ended up selling the 
> Milano for half the cost of my Riv frame and road a beater until I finished 
> making the payments (I’m especially proud of the nail polish touch up job I 
> did on the paint). After some shopping around looking at Soma, Mercian, 
> etc. but went with Riv because of their legendary quality. 
>
> I built up the bike at a shop at which I was working, and it’s been an 
> extension of my body ever since. Picking and choosing the parts, poring 
> over build options, etc. taught me a lot about bikes and bike maintenance, 
> which is something I was already interested in. It didn’t occur to me that 
> these bikes were such cult objects at the time - I just wanted something 
> well-made, good-looking, and functioning. I like to say it was the first 
> time in my life that I got *exactly* what I wanted, and despite years of 
> wear the ol’ gal still turns heads everywhere I go. 
>
> It’s also had an inadvertently positive effect on my romantic life - I got 
> the bike around the same time one of my guy friends got a VO, and our 
> shared affinity for fussy bike stuff became a feature of our friendship. 
> Now he’s my boyfriend, and we still bike everywhere together <3 When I told 
> him about this stem problem over the weekend, he very quickly pointed out 
> that it’s better to use your bike constantly and have to fix it than have 
> it sitting in a garage indefinitely. 
>
> Well if you’ve read this far no doubt you ought to see the bike itself, so 
> here’s a photo I took recently during an outing in Prospect Park: 
> https://imgur.com/a/RoSql4k
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 10:55:29 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Caroline,
>>
>> I don’t believe I’ve had the pleasure of “meeting” you on this site, but 
>> I am glad to have had the chance via this thread today. Welcome, RivSister. 
>>
>> I’m so sorry about your seized stem. Really and truly. I imagine you feel 
>> a little sick at heart about the whole thing. But you also wisely 
>> acknowledge the enrichment the bike has brought to your life. You have 
>> identified the problem and you are getting the bike serviced now, and this 
>> will not happen to you again. (You’ll be heavy-handed with the grease after 
>> this.) It will be ok! Also, you have done some of us a service because I 
>> bet there will be some who will read this post and then check their stems 
>> and seat posts.
>>
>> I really enjoyed reading your post and picturing your life with this 
>> bike. Would you delight us with a little more of the story? What is the 
>> bike you have? How did you choose this bike? Do you have a photo of it? I 
>> love to see well-used bikes. They have so much character!
>>
>> Again, I’m SO sorry about your stem, but if Grant knew (I’m assuming it’s 
>> one of his bikes) he would be tickled. You did exactly what he hopes - you 
>> have used the bike for 15 years and have not made an ornament of it. Bravo, 
>> and well done.
>> Leah
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2023, at 8:41 PM, Caroline Golum  wrote:
>>
>> I was searching this group for a specific query when I stumbled upon 
>> this thread so excuse the revival here but it was very heartening. 
>>
>>
>> Last week I brought my bike in for a stem swap (shoulder problem, need 
>> something shorter) and found out over the weekend that the old stem is 
>> frozen (among other issues). Given 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Caroline Golum]

Thank you Leah <3 it’s a real hassle dealing with this during the high 
season but better late than never. And while it is a common problem I still 
feel like a major scrub!

And apologies for neglecting to include my bike details and setup in the 
reply - I ride a 50cm Betty Foy that I ordered from Riv way back in October 
2009! This is part of my anxiety about the whole stem issue - the bike is 
irreplaceable, so the prospect of messing up my bike after so many 
hard-ridden years is upsetting, to say the least. 

Anyway, some backstory: I started riding in NYC when I turned 20, figuring 
if I was still living in my car-dominated hometown I would’ve acquired a 
car by that time. In HS I hung around a punk bike coop and learned basic 
repairs and rode an old three-speed Free Spirit mixte before I left home. My 
first NYC bike was a Bianchi Milano 
 
with an internal 8spd hub, which I loved, but it wasn’t quite “enough bike” 
for me. I was working at a bike shop at the time, and wanted more options 
so I could get really specific with the build. I ended up selling the 
Milano for half the cost of my Riv frame and road a beater until I finished 
making the payments (I’m especially proud of the nail polish touch up job I 
did on the paint). After some shopping around looking at Soma, Mercian, 
etc. but went with Riv because of their legendary quality. 

I built up the bike at a shop at which I was working, and it’s been an 
extension of my body ever since. Picking and choosing the parts, poring 
over build options, etc. taught me a lot about bikes and bike maintenance, 
which is something I was already interested in. It didn’t occur to me that 
these bikes were such cult objects at the time - I just wanted something 
well-made, good-looking, and functioning. I like to say it was the first 
time in my life that I got *exactly* what I wanted, and despite years of 
wear the ol’ gal still turns heads everywhere I go. 

It’s also had an inadvertently positive effect on my romantic life - I got 
the bike around the same time one of my guy friends got a VO, and our 
shared affinity for fussy bike stuff became a feature of our friendship. 
Now he’s my boyfriend, and we still bike everywhere together <3 When I told 
him about this stem problem over the weekend, he very quickly pointed out 
that it’s better to use your bike constantly and have to fix it than have 
it sitting in a garage indefinitely. 

Well if you’ve read this far no doubt you ought to see the bike itself, so 
here’s a photo I took recently during an outing in Prospect Park: 
https://imgur.com/a/RoSql4k


On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 10:55:29 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Hi Caroline,
>
> I don’t believe I’ve had the pleasure of “meeting” you on this site, but I 
> am glad to have had the chance via this thread today. Welcome, RivSister. 
>
> I’m so sorry about your seized stem. Really and truly. I imagine you feel 
> a little sick at heart about the whole thing. But you also wisely 
> acknowledge the enrichment the bike has brought to your life. You have 
> identified the problem and you are getting the bike serviced now, and this 
> will not happen to you again. (You’ll be heavy-handed with the grease after 
> this.) It will be ok! Also, you have done some of us a service because I 
> bet there will be some who will read this post and then check their stems 
> and seat posts.
>
> I really enjoyed reading your post and picturing your life with this bike. 
> Would you delight us with a little more of the story? What is the bike you 
> have? How did you choose this bike? Do you have a photo of it? I love to 
> see well-used bikes. They have so much character!
>
> Again, I’m SO sorry about your stem, but if Grant knew (I’m assuming it’s 
> one of his bikes) he would be tickled. You did exactly what he hopes - you 
> have used the bike for 15 years and have not made an ornament of it. Bravo, 
> and well done.
> Leah
>
> On Jun 13, 2023, at 8:41 PM, Caroline Golum  wrote:
>
> I was searching this group for a specific query when I stumbled upon this 
> thread so excuse the revival here but it was very heartening. 
>
>
> Last week I brought my bike in for a stem swap (shoulder problem, need 
> something shorter) and found out over the weekend that the old stem is 
> frozen (among other issues). Given that I’ve had the bike almost 15 years, 
> and haven’t had a proper overhaul in nearly as long, I was in a real funk 
> about this all day. It’s a costly and time-consuming repair, and I may be 
> sans bike for a few weeks. All day I thought: How could this happen? I’m 
> responsible! I’ve worked in bike shops! I maintain the fine things in my 
> care! Then I read the accounts in this thread and it made me feel a lot 
> better. 
>
> This is a bike I paid for in installments, it is the first truly fine bike 
> I’ve ever owned. And in the ensuing years I’ve ridden it daily in 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Leah Peterson]

Hi Caroline,I don’t believe I’ve had the pleasure of “meeting” you on this site, but I am glad to have had the chance via this thread today. Welcome, RivSister. I’m so sorry about your seized stem. Really and truly. I imagine you feel a little sick at heart about the whole thing. But you also wisely acknowledge the enrichment the bike has brought to your life. You have identified the problem and you are getting the bike serviced now, and this will not happen to you again. (You’ll be heavy-handed with the grease after this.) It will be ok! Also, you have done some of us a service because I bet there will be some who will read this post and then check their stems and seat posts.I really enjoyed reading your post and picturing your life with this bike. Would you delight us with a little more of the story? What is the bike you have? How did you choose this bike? Do you have a photo of it? I love to see well-used bikes. They have so much character!Again, I’m SO sorry about your stem, but if Grant knew (I’m assuming it’s one of his bikes) he would be tickled. You did exactly what he hopes - you have used the bike for 15 years and have not made an ornament of it. Bravo, and well done.LeahOn Jun 13, 2023, at 8:41 PM, Caroline Golum  wrote:I was searching this group for a specific query when I stumbled upon this thread so excuse the revival here but it was very heartening. Last week I brought my bike in for a stem swap (shoulder problem, need something shorter) and found out over the weekend that the old stem is frozen (among other issues). Given that I’ve had the bike almost 15 years, and haven’t had a proper overhaul in nearly as long, I was in a real funk about this all day. It’s a costly and time-consuming repair, and I may be sans bike for a few weeks. All day I thought: How could this happen? I’m responsible! I’ve worked in bike shops! I maintain the fine things in my care! Then I read the accounts in this thread and it made me feel a lot better. This is a bike I paid for in installments, it is the first truly fine bike I’ve ever owned. And in the ensuing years I’ve ridden it daily in all manner of weather, left it out overnight after having one too many on too many occasions, and put it through a litany of errands and adventures. It’s like the Argo or Washington’s axe: I’ve replaced things here and there, it’s had many different looks and set-ups, but always the same great ride. And ultimately, this is the point of having a great bike: it’s fantastic every time. So thanks everyone for inadvertently reassuring me that a seized stem isn’t the end of the world (though it sucks). On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:38:42 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:I do like that sentiment. In the spirit of avoiding being too precious to use the bike as much as it should be, I sold the Charlie Gallop because I finally accepted that it was basically my other Riv(s) but I was just more willing to lock it up (within reason). It wasn't a good enough reason for the Hillborne or Bombadil to stay home. It seems like the Hillborne is the more logical equivalent to the Charlie, but given the way I had the Charlie set up (as more of a city hybrid kind of bike) I'm tailoring the Bombadil for the job - it's received a pannier rack and some stickers; the latter probably doesn't do anything other than signal to my brain that this is a modest bike, regardless of its pedigree or value. It has also received some bike rack scuffs. On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:32 PM John Dewey  wrote:Indeed, those Seven Sisters just up the hill.On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 3:28:00 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:That is one gorgeous Rambouillet. Is the background that dam at the bottom of Mt. Tam on the Mill Valley side on the way to the 7 sisters?On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM John Dewey  wrote:RBW, here's one that we've been riding daily for all its 18 years...and it's precious as well. Gratefully, we can all have our pie and eat it too.BEST / Jock DeweyOn Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:30:14 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:What a beautiful way to express it. On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:11:24 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I was on Instagram this morning and saw a post that echoed the spirit of this thread. The user kindly translated it to English from his native Japanese, and it was so perfect that I can only imagine it was even better in the original language.On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:18:05 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:I'm like Roberta; I take care of my stuff and try hard to overcome the desire to keep everything in like-new condition by "saving" items for special times.  Sometimes I have to take a breath and have a little self-talk when it comes to my Rivs.  "It's OK, it's just a bike.  It's meant to get dirty.  It will be fine on the bike rack."  This was repeated many times when taking my dear Platypus on the rack for the first time,  knowing I had a five-hour drive and Platy would be covered in road 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Caroline Golum]

I was searching this group for a specific query when I stumbled upon this 
thread so excuse the revival here but it was very heartening. 

Last week I brought my bike in for a stem swap (shoulder problem, need 
something shorter) and found out over the weekend that the old stem is 
frozen (among other issues). Given that I’ve had the bike almost 15 years, 
and haven’t had a proper overhaul in nearly as long, I was in a real funk 
about this all day. It’s a costly and time-consuming repair, and I may be 
sans bike for a few weeks. All day I thought: How could this happen? I’m 
responsible! I’ve worked in bike shops! I maintain the fine things in my 
care! Then I read the accounts in this thread and it made me feel a lot 
better. 

This is a bike I paid for in installments, it is the first truly fine bike 
I’ve ever owned. And in the ensuing years I’ve ridden it daily in all 
manner of weather, left it out overnight after having one too many on too 
many occasions, and put it through a litany of errands and adventures. It’s 
like the Argo or Washington’s axe: I’ve replaced things here and there, 
it’s had many different looks and set-ups, but always the same great ride. 
And ultimately, this is the point of having a great bike: it’s fantastic 
every time. So thanks everyone for inadvertently reassuring me that a 
seized stem isn’t the end of the world (though it sucks). 

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:38:42 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I do like that sentiment. In the spirit of avoiding being too precious to 
> use the bike as much as it should be, I sold the Charlie Gallop because I 
> finally accepted that it was basically my other Riv(s) but I was just more 
> willing to lock it up (within reason). It wasn't a good enough reason for 
> the Hillborne or Bombadil to stay home. 
>
> It seems like the Hillborne is the more logical equivalent to the Charlie, 
> but given the way I had the Charlie set up (as more of a city hybrid kind 
> of bike) I'm tailoring the Bombadil for the job - it's received a pannier 
> rack and some stickers; the latter probably doesn't do anything other than 
> signal to my brain that this is a modest bike, regardless of its pedigree 
> or value. It has also received some bike rack scuffs. 
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:32 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>> Indeed, those Seven Sisters just up the hill.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 3:28:00 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> That is one gorgeous Rambouillet. Is the background that dam at the 
>>> bottom of Mt. Tam on the Mill Valley side on the way to the 7 sisters?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>>>
 RBW, here's one that we've been riding daily for all its 18 years...and 
 it's precious as well. Gratefully, we can all have our pie and eat it too.

 BEST / Jock Dewey



 On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:30:14 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> What a beautiful way to express it. 
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:11:24 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I was on Instagram this morning and saw a post that echoed the spirit 
>> of this thread. The user kindly translated it to English from his native 
>> Japanese, and it was so perfect that I can only imagine it was even 
>> better 
>> in the original language.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:18:05 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>
>>> I'm like Roberta; I take care of my stuff and try hard to overcome 
>>> the desire to keep everything in like-new condition by "saving" items 
>>> for 
>>> special times.  Sometimes I have to take a breath and have a little 
>>> self-talk when it comes to my Rivs.  "It's OK, it's just a bike.  It's 
>>> meant to get dirty.  It will be fine on the bike rack."  This was 
>>> repeated 
>>> many times when taking my dear Platypus on the rack for the first time, 
>>>  
>>> knowing I had a five-hour drive and Platy would be covered in road 
>>> grime.  
>>> This is even worse when the weather is snotty.  However, I've figured 
>>> out 
>>> to cover the saddle and just live with the rest. Cleaning rags are 
>>> essential gear and besides, it's more important to ride the bike, dirty 
>>> or 
>>> not.
>>>
>>> Theft is always at the back of my mind, especially when I found out 
>>> how easy it is to cut a lock.  It has happened twice.  I went on a 
>>> summer 
>>> camping trip and left the keys to my 1Up rack at home.  A handy 
>>> camp-host 
>>> with a cordless grinder made quick work of it.  Another time, I used my 
>>> OttoLock at the grocery store rack.  The combination dial failed, so I 
>>> went 
>>> next door to the hardware store to borrow a bolt cutter.  The kind 
>>> clerk 
>>> brought one out and cut the lock with one snip!  Lessons learnedbut 
>>> still, I lock it up with 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Jason Fuller]

I do like that sentiment. In the spirit of avoiding being too precious to
use the bike as much as it should be, I sold the Charlie Gallop because I
finally accepted that it was basically my other Riv(s) but I was just more
willing to lock it up (within reason). It wasn't a good enough reason for
the Hillborne or Bombadil to stay home.

It seems like the Hillborne is the more logical equivalent to the Charlie,
but given the way I had the Charlie set up (as more of a city hybrid kind
of bike) I'm tailoring the Bombadil for the job - it's received a pannier
rack and some stickers; the latter probably doesn't do anything other than
signal to my brain that this is a modest bike, regardless of its pedigree
or value. It has also received some bike rack scuffs.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:32 PM John Dewey  wrote:

> Indeed, those Seven Sisters just up the hill.
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 3:28:00 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> That is one gorgeous Rambouillet. Is the background that dam at the
>> bottom of Mt. Tam on the Mill Valley side on the way to the 7 sisters?
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>>
>>> RBW, here's one that we've been riding daily for all its 18 years...and
>>> it's precious as well. Gratefully, we can all have our pie and eat it too.
>>>
>>> BEST / Jock Dewey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:30:14 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 What a beautiful way to express it.

 On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:11:24 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding
 Ding! wrote:

> I was on Instagram this morning and saw a post that echoed the spirit
> of this thread. The user kindly translated it to English from his native
> Japanese, and it was so perfect that I can only imagine it was even better
> in the original language.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:18:05 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>
>> I'm like Roberta; I take care of my stuff and try hard to overcome
>> the desire to keep everything in like-new condition by "saving" items for
>> special times.  Sometimes I have to take a breath and have a little
>> self-talk when it comes to my Rivs.  "It's OK, it's just a bike.  It's
>> meant to get dirty.  It will be fine on the bike rack."  This was 
>> repeated
>> many times when taking my dear Platypus on the rack for the first time,
>> knowing I had a five-hour drive and Platy would be covered in road grime.
>> This is even worse when the weather is snotty.  However, I've figured out
>> to cover the saddle and just live with the rest. Cleaning rags are
>> essential gear and besides, it's more important to ride the bike, dirty 
>> or
>> not.
>>
>> Theft is always at the back of my mind, especially when I found out
>> how easy it is to cut a lock.  It has happened twice.  I went on a summer
>> camping trip and left the keys to my 1Up rack at home.  A handy camp-host
>> with a cordless grinder made quick work of it.  Another time, I used my
>> OttoLock at the grocery store rack.  The combination dial failed, so I 
>> went
>> next door to the hardware store to borrow a bolt cutter.  The kind clerk
>> brought one out and cut the lock with one snip!  Lessons learnedbut
>> still, I lock it up with my new lock and smile broadly when I come out of
>> the grocery store, see that beautiful design and relish the honesty of
>> humanity.
>>
>> Joyce
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:34:12 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> This got me thinking about most of my possessions. I take care of
>>> what I own and although careful, little is so precious that I won’t use
>>> something, even my Rivs. (There was a time I wouldn’t use something 
>>> because
>>> it was “too nice” for everyday so I’d use it once a year or two, missing
>>> the joy on the other days of the year.)  Still, I am careful. What I am
>>> more concerned with is theft and road salt.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC-5
>>> penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Patrick, Dustin: don't worry too much about me. -20 and calmish
 around here is much preferable to the alternative of, say, 5 degrees 
 with
 80kmh winds. One way or the other, Patrick is correct: it's dry as can 
 be
 in these parts. My coldest-feeling commutes were living near Toronto, 
 where
 it's much wetter. I'm also not that hardcore - my buddy Andrew in 
 Calgary
 (hi Andrew, he's in the group) is twice as hardcore when it comes to 
 winter
 commutes, and in harsh winter places like Edmonton and Winnipeg there 
 are
 some real maniacs, I think.

 To your question, Patrick, I am large load capable with the Joe but
 the basket/rack combo is pretty light, and the bags usually aren't 
 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[John Dewey]

Indeed, those Seven Sisters just up the hill.

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 3:28:00 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> That is one gorgeous Rambouillet. Is the background that dam at the bottom 
> of Mt. Tam on the Mill Valley side on the way to the 7 sisters?
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>> RBW, here's one that we've been riding daily for all its 18 years...and 
>> it's precious as well. Gratefully, we can all have our pie and eat it too.
>>
>> BEST / Jock Dewey
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:30:14 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> What a beautiful way to express it. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:11:24 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I was on Instagram this morning and saw a post that echoed the spirit 
 of this thread. The user kindly translated it to English from his native 
 Japanese, and it was so perfect that I can only imagine it was even better 
 in the original language.



 On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:18:05 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:

> I'm like Roberta; I take care of my stuff and try hard to overcome the 
> desire to keep everything in like-new condition by "saving" items for 
> special times.  Sometimes I have to take a breath and have a little 
> self-talk when it comes to my Rivs.  "It's OK, it's just a bike.  It's 
> meant to get dirty.  It will be fine on the bike rack."  This was 
> repeated 
> many times when taking my dear Platypus on the rack for the first time,  
> knowing I had a five-hour drive and Platy would be covered in road grime. 
>  
> This is even worse when the weather is snotty.  However, I've figured out 
> to cover the saddle and just live with the rest. Cleaning rags are 
> essential gear and besides, it's more important to ride the bike, dirty 
> or 
> not.
>
> Theft is always at the back of my mind, especially when I found out 
> how easy it is to cut a lock.  It has happened twice.  I went on a summer 
> camping trip and left the keys to my 1Up rack at home.  A handy camp-host 
> with a cordless grinder made quick work of it.  Another time, I used my 
> OttoLock at the grocery store rack.  The combination dial failed, so I 
> went 
> next door to the hardware store to borrow a bolt cutter.  The kind clerk 
> brought one out and cut the lock with one snip!  Lessons learnedbut 
> still, I lock it up with my new lock and smile broadly when I come out of 
> the grocery store, see that beautiful design and relish the honesty of 
> humanity.  
>
> Joyce
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:34:12 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> This got me thinking about most of my possessions. I take care of 
>> what I own and although careful, little is so precious that I won’t use 
>> something, even my Rivs. (There was a time I wouldn’t use something 
>> because 
>> it was “too nice” for everyday so I’d use it once a year or two, missing 
>> the joy on the other days of the year.)  Still, I am careful. What I am 
>> more concerned with is theft and road salt. 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, Dustin: don't worry too much about me. -20 and calmish 
>>> around here is much preferable to the alternative of, say, 5 degrees 
>>> with 
>>> 80kmh winds. One way or the other, Patrick is correct: it's dry as can 
>>> be 
>>> in these parts. My coldest-feeling commutes were living near Toronto, 
>>> where 
>>> it's much wetter. I'm also not that hardcore - my buddy Andrew in 
>>> Calgary 
>>> (hi Andrew, he's in the group) is twice as hardcore when it comes to 
>>> winter 
>>> commutes, and in harsh winter places like Edmonton and Winnipeg there 
>>> are 
>>> some real maniacs, I think. 
>>>
>>> To your question, Patrick, I am large load capable with the Joe but 
>>> the basket/rack combo is pretty light, and the bags usually aren't 
>>> full. 
>>> Often just a big U-lock in the saddle bag and my messenger in the 
>>> basket. 
>>> Today, not joking, I lost traction and did a 
>>> slow-motion-almost-360-degree-pirouette/donut on a parking lot ice 
>>> sheet 
>>> and stayed upright, so handling is fine! 
>>>
>>> Anyways, blah blah blah, I'm glad to be riding the Joe when I 
>>> wouldn't have before. 
>>>
>>> Mack 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:20:41 PM UTC-7 
>>> joshm...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Imo one of the saddest things you can write in a FS post is "barely 
 ridden"

 On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 6:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most 
> notable to me was 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[藍俊彪]

That is one gorgeous Rambouillet. Is the background that dam at the bottom
of Mt. Tam on the Mill Valley side on the way to the 7 sisters?

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 3:22 PM John Dewey  wrote:

> RBW, here's one that we've been riding daily for all its 18 years...and
> it's precious as well. Gratefully, we can all have our pie and eat it too.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:30:14 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> What a beautiful way to express it.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:11:24 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I was on Instagram this morning and saw a post that echoed the spirit of
>>> this thread. The user kindly translated it to English from his native
>>> Japanese, and it was so perfect that I can only imagine it was even better
>>> in the original language.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:18:05 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>>>
 I'm like Roberta; I take care of my stuff and try hard to overcome the
 desire to keep everything in like-new condition by "saving" items for
 special times.  Sometimes I have to take a breath and have a little
 self-talk when it comes to my Rivs.  "It's OK, it's just a bike.  It's
 meant to get dirty.  It will be fine on the bike rack."  This was repeated
 many times when taking my dear Platypus on the rack for the first time,
 knowing I had a five-hour drive and Platy would be covered in road grime.
 This is even worse when the weather is snotty.  However, I've figured out
 to cover the saddle and just live with the rest. Cleaning rags are
 essential gear and besides, it's more important to ride the bike, dirty or
 not.

 Theft is always at the back of my mind, especially when I found out how
 easy it is to cut a lock.  It has happened twice.  I went on a summer
 camping trip and left the keys to my 1Up rack at home.  A handy camp-host
 with a cordless grinder made quick work of it.  Another time, I used my
 OttoLock at the grocery store rack.  The combination dial failed, so I went
 next door to the hardware store to borrow a bolt cutter.  The kind clerk
 brought one out and cut the lock with one snip!  Lessons learnedbut
 still, I lock it up with my new lock and smile broadly when I come out of
 the grocery store, see that beautiful design and relish the honesty of
 humanity.

 Joyce
 On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:34:12 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> This got me thinking about most of my possessions. I take care of what
> I own and although careful, little is so precious that I won’t use
> something, even my Rivs. (There was a time I wouldn’t use something 
> because
> it was “too nice” for everyday so I’d use it once a year or two, missing
> the joy on the other days of the year.)  Still, I am careful. What I am
> more concerned with is theft and road salt.
>
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick, Dustin: don't worry too much about me. -20 and calmish
>> around here is much preferable to the alternative of, say, 5 degrees with
>> 80kmh winds. One way or the other, Patrick is correct: it's dry as can be
>> in these parts. My coldest-feeling commutes were living near Toronto, 
>> where
>> it's much wetter. I'm also not that hardcore - my buddy Andrew in Calgary
>> (hi Andrew, he's in the group) is twice as hardcore when it comes to 
>> winter
>> commutes, and in harsh winter places like Edmonton and Winnipeg there are
>> some real maniacs, I think.
>>
>> To your question, Patrick, I am large load capable with the Joe but
>> the basket/rack combo is pretty light, and the bags usually aren't full.
>> Often just a big U-lock in the saddle bag and my messenger in the basket.
>> Today, not joking, I lost traction and did a
>> slow-motion-almost-360-degree-pirouette/donut on a parking lot ice sheet
>> and stayed upright, so handling is fine!
>>
>> Anyways, blah blah blah, I'm glad to be riding the Joe when I
>> wouldn't have before.
>>
>> Mack
>>
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:20:41 PM UTC-7 joshm...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Imo one of the saddest things you can write in a FS post is "barely
>>> ridden"
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 6:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most
 notable to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell
 section. In sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people 
 riding
 beater bikes instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks 
 -
 because those tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their
 Rivendell, it will not realize its potential, sit 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Joe Bernard]

What a beautiful way to express it. 

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:11:24 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I was on Instagram this morning and saw a post that echoed the spirit of 
> this thread. The user kindly translated it to English from his native 
> Japanese, and it was so perfect that I can only imagine it was even better 
> in the original language.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:18:05 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>
>> I'm like Roberta; I take care of my stuff and try hard to overcome the 
>> desire to keep everything in like-new condition by "saving" items for 
>> special times.  Sometimes I have to take a breath and have a little 
>> self-talk when it comes to my Rivs.  "It's OK, it's just a bike.  It's 
>> meant to get dirty.  It will be fine on the bike rack."  This was repeated 
>> many times when taking my dear Platypus on the rack for the first time,  
>> knowing I had a five-hour drive and Platy would be covered in road grime.  
>> This is even worse when the weather is snotty.  However, I've figured out 
>> to cover the saddle and just live with the rest. Cleaning rags are 
>> essential gear and besides, it's more important to ride the bike, dirty or 
>> not.
>>
>> Theft is always at the back of my mind, especially when I found out how 
>> easy it is to cut a lock.  It has happened twice.  I went on a summer 
>> camping trip and left the keys to my 1Up rack at home.  A handy camp-host 
>> with a cordless grinder made quick work of it.  Another time, I used my 
>> OttoLock at the grocery store rack.  The combination dial failed, so I went 
>> next door to the hardware store to borrow a bolt cutter.  The kind clerk 
>> brought one out and cut the lock with one snip!  Lessons learnedbut 
>> still, I lock it up with my new lock and smile broadly when I come out of 
>> the grocery store, see that beautiful design and relish the honesty of 
>> humanity.  
>>
>> Joyce
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:34:12 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> This got me thinking about most of my possessions. I take care of what I 
>>> own and although careful, little is so precious that I won’t use something, 
>>> even my Rivs. (There was a time I wouldn’t use something because it was 
>>> “too nice” for everyday so I’d use it once a year or two, missing the joy 
>>> on the other days of the year.)  Still, I am careful. What I am more 
>>> concerned with is theft and road salt. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Patrick, Dustin: don't worry too much about me. -20 and calmish around 
 here is much preferable to the alternative of, say, 5 degrees with 80kmh 
 winds. One way or the other, Patrick is correct: it's dry as can be in 
 these parts. My coldest-feeling commutes were living near Toronto, where 
 it's much wetter. I'm also not that hardcore - my buddy Andrew in Calgary 
 (hi Andrew, he's in the group) is twice as hardcore when it comes to 
 winter 
 commutes, and in harsh winter places like Edmonton and Winnipeg there are 
 some real maniacs, I think. 

 To your question, Patrick, I am large load capable with the Joe but the 
 basket/rack combo is pretty light, and the bags usually aren't full. Often 
 just a big U-lock in the saddle bag and my messenger in the basket. Today, 
 not joking, I lost traction and did a 
 slow-motion-almost-360-degree-pirouette/donut on a parking lot ice sheet 
 and stayed upright, so handling is fine! 

 Anyways, blah blah blah, I'm glad to be riding the Joe when I wouldn't 
 have before. 

 Mack 

 On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:20:41 PM UTC-7 joshm...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Imo one of the saddest things you can write in a FS post is "barely 
> ridden"
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 6:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most 
>> notable to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell 
>> section. In sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people 
>> riding 
>> beater bikes instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - 
>> because those tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their 
>> Rivendell, it will not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then 
>> pass to one’s heirs who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, 
>> and 
>> how sad. What was the bike for?
>>
>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 
>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because 
>> I 
>> bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do 
>> guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping 
>> and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and 
>> then I still am 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[JAS]

I'm like Roberta; I take care of my stuff and try hard to overcome the 
desire to keep everything in like-new condition by "saving" items for 
special times.  Sometimes I have to take a breath and have a little 
self-talk when it comes to my Rivs.  "It's OK, it's just a bike.  It's 
meant to get dirty.  It will be fine on the bike rack."  This was repeated 
many times when taking my dear Platypus on the rack for the first time,  
knowing I had a five-hour drive and Platy would be covered in road grime.  
This is even worse when the weather is snotty.  However, I've figured out 
to cover the saddle and just live with the rest. Cleaning rags are 
essential gear and besides, it's more important to ride the bike, dirty or 
not.

Theft is always at the back of my mind, especially when I found out how 
easy it is to cut a lock.  It has happened twice.  I went on a summer 
camping trip and left the keys to my 1Up rack at home.  A handy camp-host 
with a cordless grinder made quick work of it.  Another time, I used my 
OttoLock at the grocery store rack.  The combination dial failed, so I went 
next door to the hardware store to borrow a bolt cutter.  The kind clerk 
brought one out and cut the lock with one snip!  Lessons learnedbut 
still, I lock it up with my new lock and smile broadly when I come out of 
the grocery store, see that beautiful design and relish the honesty of 
humanity.  

Joyce
On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:34:12 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> This got me thinking about most of my possessions. I take care of what I 
> own and although careful, little is so precious that I won’t use something, 
> even my Rivs. (There was a time I wouldn’t use something because it was 
> “too nice” for everyday so I’d use it once a year or two, missing the joy 
> on the other days of the year.)  Still, I am careful. What I am more 
> concerned with is theft and road salt. 
>
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick, Dustin: don't worry too much about me. -20 and calmish around 
>> here is much preferable to the alternative of, say, 5 degrees with 80kmh 
>> winds. One way or the other, Patrick is correct: it's dry as can be in 
>> these parts. My coldest-feeling commutes were living near Toronto, where 
>> it's much wetter. I'm also not that hardcore - my buddy Andrew in Calgary 
>> (hi Andrew, he's in the group) is twice as hardcore when it comes to winter 
>> commutes, and in harsh winter places like Edmonton and Winnipeg there are 
>> some real maniacs, I think. 
>>
>> To your question, Patrick, I am large load capable with the Joe but the 
>> basket/rack combo is pretty light, and the bags usually aren't full. Often 
>> just a big U-lock in the saddle bag and my messenger in the basket. Today, 
>> not joking, I lost traction and did a 
>> slow-motion-almost-360-degree-pirouette/donut on a parking lot ice sheet 
>> and stayed upright, so handling is fine! 
>>
>> Anyways, blah blah blah, I'm glad to be riding the Joe when I wouldn't 
>> have before. 
>>
>> Mack 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:20:41 PM UTC-7 joshm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Imo one of the saddest things you can write in a FS post is "barely 
>>> ridden"
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 6:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
 to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
 sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
 instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
 tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
 not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
 who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
 the bike for?

 I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 
 favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I 
 bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do 
 guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping 
 and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and 
 then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike 
 Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry 
 Platy 
 damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta 
 said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will 
 expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did. 

 Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her 
 bike is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of 
 rust cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and 
 the elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Roberta]

This got me thinking about most of my possessions. I take care of what I 
own and although careful, little is so precious that I won’t use something, 
even my Rivs. (There was a time I wouldn’t use something because it was 
“too nice” for everyday so I’d use it once a year or two, missing the joy 
on the other days of the year.)  Still, I am careful. What I am more 
concerned with is theft and road salt. 

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:47:47 PM UTC-5 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> Patrick, Dustin: don't worry too much about me. -20 and calmish around 
> here is much preferable to the alternative of, say, 5 degrees with 80kmh 
> winds. One way or the other, Patrick is correct: it's dry as can be in 
> these parts. My coldest-feeling commutes were living near Toronto, where 
> it's much wetter. I'm also not that hardcore - my buddy Andrew in Calgary 
> (hi Andrew, he's in the group) is twice as hardcore when it comes to winter 
> commutes, and in harsh winter places like Edmonton and Winnipeg there are 
> some real maniacs, I think. 
>
> To your question, Patrick, I am large load capable with the Joe but the 
> basket/rack combo is pretty light, and the bags usually aren't full. Often 
> just a big U-lock in the saddle bag and my messenger in the basket. Today, 
> not joking, I lost traction and did a 
> slow-motion-almost-360-degree-pirouette/donut on a parking lot ice sheet 
> and stayed upright, so handling is fine! 
>
> Anyways, blah blah blah, I'm glad to be riding the Joe when I wouldn't 
> have before. 
>
> Mack 
>
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:20:41 PM UTC-7 joshm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Imo one of the saddest things you can write in a FS post is "barely 
>> ridden"
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 6:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
>>> to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
>>> sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
>>> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
>>> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
>>> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
>>> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
>>> the bike for?
>>>
>>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 
>>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I 
>>> bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do 
>>> guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping 
>>> and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and 
>>> then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike 
>>> Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy 
>>> damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta 
>>> said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will 
>>> expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>>>
>>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her 
>>> bike is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of 
>>> rust cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and 
>>> the elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about 
>>> it. She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it 
>>> was still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). 
>>> But she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes 
>>> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to 
>>> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has 
>>> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that 
>>> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it 
>>> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said 
>>> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among 
>>> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell 
>>> off a cliff. 
>>>
>>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care 
>>> and protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of 
>>> life - the mundane and the adventurous? 
>>>
>>> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell 
>>> out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we 
>>> have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it 
>>> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>>>
>>> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding 
>>> *most* of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and 
>>> dirt, so it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Mack Penner]

 Patrick, Dustin: don't worry too much about me. -20 and calmish around 
here is much preferable to the alternative of, say, 5 degrees with 80kmh 
winds. One way or the other, Patrick is correct: it's dry as can be in 
these parts. My coldest-feeling commutes were living near Toronto, where 
it's much wetter. I'm also not that hardcore - my buddy Andrew in Calgary 
(hi Andrew, he's in the group) is twice as hardcore when it comes to winter 
commutes, and in harsh winter places like Edmonton and Winnipeg there are 
some real maniacs, I think. 

To your question, Patrick, I am large load capable with the Joe but the 
basket/rack combo is pretty light, and the bags usually aren't full. Often 
just a big U-lock in the saddle bag and my messenger in the basket. Today, 
not joking, I lost traction and did a 
slow-motion-almost-360-degree-pirouette/donut on a parking lot ice sheet 
and stayed upright, so handling is fine! 

Anyways, blah blah blah, I'm glad to be riding the Joe when I wouldn't have 
before. 

Mack 

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:20:41 PM UTC-7 joshm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Imo one of the saddest things you can write in a FS post is "barely ridden"
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 6:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
>> to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
>> sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
>> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
>> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
>> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
>> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
>> the bike for?
>>
>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 
>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I 
>> bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do 
>> guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping 
>> and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and 
>> then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike 
>> Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy 
>> damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta 
>> said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will 
>> expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>>
>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike 
>> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust 
>> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the 
>> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it. 
>> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was 
>> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But 
>> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes 
>> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to 
>> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has 
>> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that 
>> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it 
>> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said 
>> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among 
>> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell 
>> off a cliff. 
>>
>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care 
>> and protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of 
>> life - the mundane and the adventurous? 
>>
>> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell 
>> out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we 
>> have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it 
>> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>>
>> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding 
>> *most* of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and 
>> dirt, so it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip in 
>> the paint would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me. 
>>
>> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? What 
>> strategies do you employ? Do you want to change? Or are you 
>> unapologetically staying put on the matter? It might be fun to hear 
>> perspectives.
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Josh Brown]

Imo one of the saddest things you can write in a FS post is "barely ridden"

On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 6:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable to
> me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In sum,
> Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes
> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those
> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will
> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs
> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was
> the bike for?
>
> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 favorite
> bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I bought it
> to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do guard it from
> that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping and traveling
> with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and then I still am
> tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike Expo I dithered
> about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy damaged while
> locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta said, “I don’t
> think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will expect you to
> bring.” And she was right, and I did.
>
> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike
> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust
> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the
> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it.
> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was
> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But
> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes
> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to
> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has
> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that
> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it
> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said
> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among
> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell
> off a cliff.
>
> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care and
> protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of life
> - the mundane and the adventurous?
>
> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell
> out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we
> have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it
> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>
> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding *most*
> of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and dirt, so
> it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip in the
> paint would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me.
>
> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? What
> strategies do you employ? Do you want to change? Or are you
> unapologetically staying put on the matter? It might be fun to hear
> perspectives.
> Leah
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Patrick Moore]

Forgot to add that in fact I had a pretty 2003 custom derailleur Riv Road
modified into a fixed gear for commuting and errand use for years back when
I commuted 30 or 40 miles per day 3+ days per week, then for errands after
I started working at home; even put it on bus bike racks, Joe Bell paint
and all. I had built it with chichi parts and hung it on a wall where it
largely remained while I commuted on beaters, until I said, this is silly
and converted it. I had much more fun with it that way.

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Patrick Moore]

Grant isn't saying it saddens him that people use beaters for everyday
riding, he's expressing doubt about being afraid to ride lovely Rivendells
in any but "ideal" and "special" occasions.

I largely agree with Grant; sure, have a pretty or "vanity" bike but don't
be paranoid about it; but have others that you don't mind scraping or
loading or locking up outside.

My own habit is made easier because I have bikes customized pretty exactly
for the different kinds of riding I do: stripped gofast, fully equipped
errand bike with almost identical geometry and fit and sharing many of the
same parts; "road" bike for our sandy dirt; and a beater single speed sandy
dirt bike with upright bar.

The gofast gets expensive parts and is treated with extra care, tho' I
certainly do use it for grocery shopping (up to~30 lb in the occasional-use
Sackville Medium, and I even ride it occasionally on firm dirt and gravel;
the errand bike gets expensive parts but I built it to load it and park it
in bike racks at need (tho' I rarely have need, and I'd not do so unless
things were very safe); road bike for dirt built with mid-level parts where
possible, tho' top of line rims tires bar brakes and saddle; Monocog gets
top of line tires but otherwise acceptable low end or already used parts
(ENO single crank because it gives a low Q and I got a good deal; thanks
Bill).

I *would* like to add a throwaway utility bike for shopping lockup in less
than perfectly safe conditions, but so far I have been able to wheel my
bike into the stores and businesses I can comfortably ride to.

Commenting as I read the other parts of the blog.

But at least the Hummer e-bike has an integrated kickstand plate!

There are e-bikes and e-bikes; some are really motorcycles; so it all
depends on what you mean.

There have been near-quarrelsome debates about e-bikes on the iBoblist and
the bulk of opinion, mine included, is that, if the motors are *assist* devices
-- meaning they are not little motorcycles -- and *if they have a ~ 20 mph
cutoff,* they are acceptable for iBoblist discussion. In fact, one of the
moderators (whose name I shall not shame by revealing it -- but *you know
who you are*) owns what looks to be a very nice (and expensive) e-bike to
regain fitness after an illness or injury. At closing-in on 68, I would
certain consider an e-assist bike if the alternative was riding less.

So, including the e-assist type in push-bike legislation and regulation
doesn't bother me. I'd regulate the motorcycle type much more strictly;
perhaps regulate it as a moped.

As for the new Silver line of products, I wish they'd go ever more against
the grain and sponsor a close-ratio 3-speed hub with pretty aluminum shell,
like the AR (direct, +7%, -7%). (Kidding, but it certainly would continue
their cross-wise product approach.)

+ 1 and 1,000 more for the basic Shimano aero ever; lever perfection, IMO.

Afghan people (Afghani is the currency), or rather the dominant Pathans,
often have light hair and blue eyes, especially when children.

[image: image.png]

Love sardines.

Skipped to beausage bit; read the other stuff many times before.

I'll spare you another photo of the 1999 Joe Starck gofast.



On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 4:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable to
> me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In sum,
> Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes
> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those
> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will
> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs
> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was
> the bike for?
>
> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 favorite
> bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I bought it
> to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do guard it from
> that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping and traveling
> with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and then I still am
> tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike Expo I dithered
> about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy damaged while
> locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta said, “I don’t
> think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will expect you to
> bring.” And she was right, and I did.
>
> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike
> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust
> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the
> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it.
> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was
> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Patrick Moore]

I'm happy with good powdercoats on my Rivendells and customs -- the
most-loved gofast has a lovely Ford blue powdercoat. In fact, some
powdercoats have been so good that they're better than most paint jobs I've
seen, but of course the principal value is lower cost with adequate
protection if done right. I prefer to put my $$ into frame (for fit and
feel) and parts (for performance, durability, but yes, also bike vanity).

On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 7:20 AM Brian McDermott <
brianmarkmcderm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Like Jason, I paid a somewhat embarrassing amount for a repaint on my
> Hillborne, but I'm not overly-finicky about it

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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[ascpgh]

My Rambouillet has been up and down the GAP/C in parts and its entirety 
numerous times and in all sorts of conditions. If you zoom in on its 
picture on my post you'll see the scarfing on the right seat stay that came 
from a person knocking it from a stable pedal prop along a brick planter 
then trying to stop the fall grabbing one end of the handlebar, guiding the 
tube on a slow, weighted downward drag along the top edge of the brick. 
Just paint, no metal damaged. Very unlikely to cosmetically repair without 
a major repaint, I rattle can clear coated the bare metal and keep an eye 
on it. Riding leaves marks and I do ride it. 

The non stock ivory blocking on the rear end of my Rambouillet is how I 
recovered from the baring of metal to re-braze the brake bridge when it 
broke loose a couple years back. A local builder put me back together but 
the stark area and margins to cover called for more than the previous plan 
used on the irregular scratches. I found a rattle can match for the ivory 
color, primed, painted and clear coated the area after a good surface prep. 
Black Sharpie to border the amrgin of the Ivory and Creamsicle. 

Each violation of the paint finish triggered a "repaint!" reflex in my 
mind, built over the time spent searching for receiving, riding, 
appreciating and ultimately valuing my ownership of a retired model. The 
other side of my brain adds these things up and said to me that after a 
driveside rear dropout replacement and prepaint, the events that have 
elicited that return to stock condition response would add up to a very 
nice custom frame and fork, which it did, by not executing on impulse. 

My Ram's still a head turner and not compromised from its original form 
other than how it's looking these days, which is care for and ridden. A lot.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 9:20:00 AM UTC-5 brianmark...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Like Jason, I paid a somewhat embarrassing amount for a repaint on my 
> Hillborne, but I'm not overly-finicky about it. I'm careful at bike racks 
> and when I lean it against something, but I don't wipe it down with a 
> diaper either. Also, the painter lost my headbadge, so I put this Gonza one 
> on (i found it on ebay, and am an aviation nerd; it also sorta works as an 
> homage to the Bleriot). When I put that on, my hand slipped when the epoxy 
> was already on it, and I had to keep it a bit high on the headtube rather 
> than centered, but I figured a slight imperfection is fine. Also notice the 
> bike is pretty dirty- I just rode the GAP and C from Pittsburgh to DC. 
> I'll clean my chain and wipe my rims down, but that's about it. I use this 
> bike as my go-to, and I don't mind locking it up as the town I live in 
> isn't a hub of bike theft. If I still lived in Eugene, OR though, I'd be 
> more cautious leaving it locked up for really any period of time, and would 
> be more inclined to ride a "beater" for library trips etc. 
>
> [image: badge.JPG]
>
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 11:07:02 AM UTC-5 Mark C wrote:
>
>> It is interesting to read how much our individual situations vary. I'm 
>> lucky to live where bike theft isn't a big deal. I know one friend who had 
>> a bike stolen in the past many years. He left it unlocked on the his back 
>> porch. Then another friend spotted someone riding it on the rail trail and 
>> got it returned. I'm not meaning to minimize others situations; it sounds 
>> awful having to worry about theft all the time and having to carry bulky 
>> locks.
>>
>> I pick up strays (bikes) way too often and have been trying to get rid of 
>> extras lately, but I've kept a few beater bikes around. It is fun to ride 
>> the old Raleigh 3 speed once in a while. Until I got my Rosco Platypus I 
>> also put a lot  of time on my old mountain bikes on my daily neighborhood 
>> rides. Now the Rosco gets almost all the riding. When I finally get some 
>> wider rims (so that I can get wider tires), the Rosco can pretty much 
>> replace my mountain bikes. 
>>
>> But someone else mentioned the big, big deal for me that doesn't seem to 
>> impact most people - road salt. It is hilly here and they really cover the 
>> roads with salt. I keep at least one sacrificial bike for those days, and 
>> even then try to stay out of the resulting salt river on the roads. If it 
>> weren't for that, I'd intended my Rosco to effectively be my beater bike, 
>> plus my do-everything bike. Still, it is just fun to have some variety, 
>> though the bar for fun bikes has been raised since the Rosco arrived.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:25:22 AM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>>> I've often wondered how frustrating it is for Grant.  So many of his 
>>> bikes end up as garage ornaments.   I've tried to explain to interested 
>>> people that the fancy lugs and paint get our attention, but the geometry, 
>>> ride and handling are what keep us on the bikes.   My '87 Trek has nice 
>>> lugs and looks cool,  

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Leah Peterson]

This is the treatment I’ve been subjected to this year. Next thing you know I’ll be as bad as him, riding around with my busted kickstand plate.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 10, 2022, at 8:36 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:The lock is touching your (not a) toptube! On the Raspberry Racer!!! I can't look. I'm not looking On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 3:09:50 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:There’s something really appealing to me about keeping track of the mileage on your Rivendell, and seeing how far it takes you. Pam has close to 69,000 miles on her Betty and I want to know how that feels to have traversed so much ground together. I bet any other bike she throws a leg over feels foreign. And then that makes me want to preserve the bike as best I can, because nothing else will do, so I must keep it close and keep it nice. And therein lies the vicious, precious cycle.Today I rode with the other Riv Rider in my city, and we stopped for lunch. There was no bike rack so we locked our bikes together and u-locked my wheel. “It will take a truck to move these bikes,” he said. But as he wrapped his Abus Bordo around my top tube, he noticed my grimaced _expression_. He said it would be fine and it was. I’m working on it, people!On Nov 8, 2022, at 7:34 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:I ride my Rivendells for almost everything, but I'm not going to lock them up outside a grocery store or a bar.  Or an outdoor music festival, like Austin City Limits with 75,000 people.  I have my beater for those things.The Rivs get 99% of all the riding I do.  They get rode hard and put away wet.  Grant needent fret.JimAustin suburbs, TXOn Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was the bike for?I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did. Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it. She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell off a cliff. So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care and protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of life - the mundane and the adventurous? On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding *most* of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and dirt, so it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip in the paint would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me. Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? What strategies do you employ? Do you want to change? Or are you unapologetically staying put on the matter? It might be fun to hear perspectives.Leah



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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Joe Bernard]

The lock is touching your (not a) toptube! On the Raspberry Racer!!! I 
can't look. I'm not looking 

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 3:09:50 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> 
> There’s something really appealing to me about keeping track of the 
> mileage on your Rivendell, and seeing how far it takes you. Pam has close 
> to 69,000 miles on her Betty and I want to know how that feels to have 
> traversed so much ground together. I bet any other bike she throws a leg 
> over feels foreign. And then that makes me want to preserve the bike as 
> best I can, because nothing else will do, so I must keep it close and keep 
> it nice. And therein lies the vicious, precious cycle.
>
> Today I rode with the other Riv Rider in my city, and we stopped for 
> lunch. There was no bike rack so we locked our bikes together and u-locked 
> my wheel. “It will take a truck to move these bikes,” he said. But as he 
> wrapped his Abus Bordo around my top tube, he noticed my grimaced 
> expression. He said it would be fine and it was. I’m working on it, people!
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
> [image: image2.jpeg]
>
> On Nov 8, 2022, at 7:34 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:
>
> 
> I ride my Rivendells for almost everything, but I'm not going to lock them 
> up outside a grocery store or a bar.  Or an outdoor music festival, like 
> Austin City Limits with 75,000 people.  I have my beater for those things.
>
> The Rivs get 99% of all the riding I do.  They get rode hard and put away 
> wet.  Grant needent fret.
>
> Jim
> Austin suburbs, TX
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
>> to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
>> sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
>> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
>> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
>> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
>> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
>> the bike for?
>>
>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 
>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I 
>> bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do 
>> guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping 
>> and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and 
>> then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike 
>> Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy 
>> damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta 
>> said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will 
>> expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>>
>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike 
>> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust 
>> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the 
>> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it. 
>> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was 
>> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But 
>> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes 
>> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to 
>> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has 
>> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that 
>> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it 
>> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said 
>> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among 
>> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell 
>> off a cliff. 
>>
>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care 
>> and protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of 
>> life - the mundane and the adventurous? 
>>
>> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell 
>> out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we 
>> have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it 
>> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>>
>> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding 
>> *most* of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and 
>> dirt, so it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip in 
>> the paint would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me. 
>>
>> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? What 
>> strategies do you employ? Do you want to 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Mark C]

It is interesting to read how much our individual situations vary. I'm 
lucky to live where bike theft isn't a big deal. I know one friend who had 
a bike stolen in the past many years. He left it unlocked on the his back 
porch. Then another friend spotted someone riding it on the rail trail and 
got it returned. I'm not meaning to minimize others situations; it sounds 
awful having to worry about theft all the time and having to carry bulky 
locks.

I pick up strays (bikes) way too often and have been trying to get rid of 
extras lately, but I've kept a few beater bikes around. It is fun to ride 
the old Raleigh 3 speed once in a while. Until I got my Rosco Platypus I 
also put a lot  of time on my old mountain bikes on my daily neighborhood 
rides. Now the Rosco gets almost all the riding. When I finally get some 
wider rims (so that I can get wider tires), the Rosco can pretty much 
replace my mountain bikes. 

But someone else mentioned the big, big deal for me that doesn't seem to 
impact most people - road salt. It is hilly here and they really cover the 
roads with salt. I keep at least one sacrificial bike for those days, and 
even then try to stay out of the resulting salt river on the roads. If it 
weren't for that, I'd intended my Rosco to effectively be my beater bike, 
plus my do-everything bike. Still, it is just fun to have some variety, 
though the bar for fun bikes has been raised since the Rosco arrived.

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:25:22 AM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:

> I've often wondered how frustrating it is for Grant.  So many of his bikes 
> end up as garage ornaments.   I've tried to explain to interested people 
> that the fancy lugs and paint get our attention, but the geometry, ride and 
> handling are what keep us on the bikes.   My '87 Trek has nice lugs and 
> looks cool,  but it hands in the garage while the Rivs get the play.   I've 
> used my Hunq for everything six is why I'm on my 4th set of fenders and 3rd 
> paint job. The Sam gets better treatment but several recreational rides a 
> week.   I don't mind locking either at a store, restaurant or bar with a 
> really, really good lock,  but do have a Soma Buena Vista I use for daily 
> commuting and a cheap aluminum mtb to use here in Michigan during the 
> winter.   Despite the practical choices I've given myself,  the Rivs get 
> the play time. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 7:57:50 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> When I was living in Alberta, I had an art studio near a bottle depot. We 
>> had a lot of houseless folks in the area for that reason. We were pretty 
>> good pals with some of the regulars and we had some very interesting 
>> conversations about bike thief's. The main points i remember that i use as 
>> general rules: 
>>
>> 1. bikes and parts that can be bartered - 26" wheels are hot. old 
>> mountain bikes. anything with QR. Any seat is in danger. 
>> 2. Convenience - anything that can be swiped or taken off easy. (QR) 
>> Leaving a bike "for a moment" etc. Leaving a bike in a dark corner street 
>> late at night. Leaving it alone draws attention. Riding your carbon roadie 
>> and leaving it outside the shop to grab an espresso - its gone. Parking 
>> your bike in the same spot every single day makes it easy for more 
>> organized thief's. 
>> 3. Making it inconvenient means locking well lit high foot traffic zones, 
>> near spaces where other cyclists lock up (we kinda watch out for suspect 
>> behavior) coffee shops. bike shops. bars can be OK as there are often 
>> smokers outside etc. other social sort of spaces. 
>> 4. if somebody really wants it, they'll find a way. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:34:49 PM UTC-8 Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>>> I ride my Rivendells for almost everything, but I'm not going to lock 
>>> them up outside a grocery store or a bar.  Or an outdoor music 
>>> festival, like Austin City Limits with 75,000 people.  I have my beater for 
>>> those things.
>>>
>>> The Rivs get 99% of all the riding I do.  They get rode hard and put 
>>> away wet.  Grant needent fret.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> Austin suburbs, TX
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
 to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
 sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
 instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
 tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
 not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
 who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
 the bike for?

 I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 
 favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I 
 bought it to ride it, but I 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Marc Irwin]

I've often wondered how frustrating it is for Grant.  So many of his bikes 
end up as garage ornaments.   I've tried to explain to interested people 
that the fancy lugs and paint get our attention, but the geometry, ride and 
handling are what keep us on the bikes.   My '87 Trek has nice lugs and 
looks cool,  but it hands in the garage while the Rivs get the play.   I've 
used my Hunq for everything six is why I'm on my 4th set of fenders and 3rd 
paint job. The Sam gets better treatment but several recreational rides a 
week.   I don't mind locking either at a store, restaurant or bar with a 
really, really good lock,  but do have a Soma Buena Vista I use for daily 
commuting and a cheap aluminum mtb to use here in Michigan during the 
winter.   Despite the practical choices I've given myself,  the Rivs get 
the play time. 

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 7:57:50 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> When I was living in Alberta, I had an art studio near a bottle depot. We 
> had a lot of houseless folks in the area for that reason. We were pretty 
> good pals with some of the regulars and we had some very interesting 
> conversations about bike thief's. The main points i remember that i use as 
> general rules: 
>
> 1. bikes and parts that can be bartered - 26" wheels are hot. old mountain 
> bikes. anything with QR. Any seat is in danger. 
> 2. Convenience - anything that can be swiped or taken off easy. (QR) 
> Leaving a bike "for a moment" etc. Leaving a bike in a dark corner street 
> late at night. Leaving it alone draws attention. Riding your carbon roadie 
> and leaving it outside the shop to grab an espresso - its gone. Parking 
> your bike in the same spot every single day makes it easy for more 
> organized thief's. 
> 3. Making it inconvenient means locking well lit high foot traffic zones, 
> near spaces where other cyclists lock up (we kinda watch out for suspect 
> behavior) coffee shops. bike shops. bars can be OK as there are often 
> smokers outside etc. other social sort of spaces. 
> 4. if somebody really wants it, they'll find a way. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:34:49 PM UTC-8 Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>> I ride my Rivendells for almost everything, but I'm not going to lock 
>> them up outside a grocery store or a bar.  Or an outdoor music 
>> festival, like Austin City Limits with 75,000 people.  I have my beater for 
>> those things.
>>
>> The Rivs get 99% of all the riding I do.  They get rode hard and put away 
>> wet.  Grant needent fret.
>>
>> Jim
>> Austin suburbs, TX
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
>>> to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
>>> sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
>>> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
>>> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
>>> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
>>> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
>>> the bike for?
>>>
>>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 
>>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I 
>>> bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do 
>>> guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping 
>>> and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and 
>>> then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike 
>>> Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy 
>>> damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta 
>>> said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will 
>>> expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>>>
>>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her 
>>> bike is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of 
>>> rust cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and 
>>> the elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about 
>>> it. She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it 
>>> was still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). 
>>> But she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes 
>>> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to 
>>> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has 
>>> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that 
>>> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it 
>>> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said 
>>> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Mackenzy Albright]

When I was living in Alberta, I had an art studio near a bottle depot. We 
had a lot of houseless folks in the area for that reason. We were pretty 
good pals with some of the regulars and we had some very interesting 
conversations about bike thief's. The main points i remember that i use as 
general rules: 

1. bikes and parts that can be bartered - 26" wheels are hot. old mountain 
bikes. anything with QR. Any seat is in danger. 
2. Convenience - anything that can be swiped or taken off easy. (QR) 
Leaving a bike "for a moment" etc. Leaving a bike in a dark corner street 
late at night. Leaving it alone draws attention. Riding your carbon roadie 
and leaving it outside the shop to grab an espresso - its gone. Parking 
your bike in the same spot every single day makes it easy for more 
organized thief's. 
3. Making it inconvenient means locking well lit high foot traffic zones, 
near spaces where other cyclists lock up (we kinda watch out for suspect 
behavior) coffee shops. bike shops. bars can be OK as there are often 
smokers outside etc. other social sort of spaces. 
4. if somebody really wants it, they'll find a way. 


On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:34:49 PM UTC-8 Jim Bronson wrote:

> I ride my Rivendells for almost everything, but I'm not going to lock them 
> up outside a grocery store or a bar.  Or an outdoor music festival, like 
> Austin City Limits with 75,000 people.  I have my beater for those things.
>
> The Rivs get 99% of all the riding I do.  They get rode hard and put away 
> wet.  Grant needent fret.
>
> Jim
> Austin suburbs, TX
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
>> to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
>> sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
>> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
>> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
>> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
>> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
>> the bike for?
>>
>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 
>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I 
>> bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do 
>> guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping 
>> and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and 
>> then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike 
>> Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy 
>> damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta 
>> said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will 
>> expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>>
>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike 
>> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust 
>> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the 
>> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it. 
>> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was 
>> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But 
>> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes 
>> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to 
>> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has 
>> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that 
>> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it 
>> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said 
>> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among 
>> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell 
>> off a cliff. 
>>
>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care 
>> and protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of 
>> life - the mundane and the adventurous? 
>>
>> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell 
>> out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we 
>> have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it 
>> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>>
>> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding 
>> *most* of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and 
>> dirt, so it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip in 
>> the paint would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me. 
>>
>> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? What 
>> strategies do you employ? Do 

Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[luckyturnip]

Austin City Limits needs valet bike parking like Sacramento Area Bicycle 
Advocates offers at concerts. I parked a lot of crazy nice bikes at Aftershock 
this year! No Rivendells on my night though. 
In context, I ride my Atlantis and lean it on stuff and let it get scratches 
and dirty, but in the absence of bike valet or what I know to be safe parking, 
I don’t lock it to public racks.

> On Nov 8, 2022, at 16:34, Jim Bronson  wrote:
> 
> 
> I ride my Rivendells for almost everything, but I'm not going to lock them up 
> outside a grocery store or a bar.  Or an outdoor music festival, like Austin 
> City Limits with 75,000 people.  I have my beater for those things.
> 
> The Rivs get 99% of all the riding I do.  They get rode hard and put away 
> wet.  Grant needent fret.
> 
> Jim
> Austin suburbs, TX
> 
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>  wrote:
>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable to 
>> me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In sum, 
>> Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
>> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
>> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
>> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
>> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was the 
>> bike for?
>> 
>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 favorite 
>> bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I bought it 
>> to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do guard it from 
>> that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping and traveling 
>> with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and then I still am 
>> tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike Expo I dithered 
>> about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy damaged while 
>> locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta said, “I don’t 
>> think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will expect you to 
>> bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>> 
>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike is 
>> a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust cover 
>> her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the elastic 
>> closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it. She did 
>> not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was still 
>> locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But she loves 
>> her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes shining, and 
>> said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to us. She adores 
>> her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has hauled obscene 
>> loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that one fateful 
>> camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it topple and 
>> slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said she sat 
>> there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among us would 
>> not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell off a 
>> cliff. 
>> 
>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care and 
>> protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of life - 
>> the mundane and the adventurous? 
>> 
>> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell out 
>> for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we have 
>> Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it 
>> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>> 
>> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding *most* 
>> of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and dirt, so 
>> it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip in the paint 
>> would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me. 
>> 
>> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? What 
>> strategies do you employ? Do you want to change? Or are you unapologetically 
>> staying put on the matter? It might be fun to hear perspectives.
>> Leah
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Jim Bronson]

I ride my Rivendells for almost everything, but I'm not going to lock them
up outside a grocery store or a bar.  Or an outdoor music festival, like
Austin City Limits with 75,000 people.  I have my beater for those things.

The Rivs get 99% of all the riding I do.  They get rode hard and put away
wet.  Grant needent fret.

Jim
Austin suburbs, TX

On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable to
> me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In sum,
> Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes
> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those
> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will
> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs
> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was
> the bike for?
>
> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 favorite
> bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I bought it
> to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do guard it from
> that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping and traveling
> with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and then I still am
> tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike Expo I dithered
> about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy damaged while
> locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta said, “I don’t
> think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will expect you to
> bring.” And she was right, and I did.
>
> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike
> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust
> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the
> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it.
> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was
> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But
> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes
> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to
> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has
> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that
> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it
> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said
> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among
> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell
> off a cliff.
>
> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with care and
> protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into all of life
> - the mundane and the adventurous?
>
> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a Rivendell
> out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the other…well, we
> have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it
> personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of owners.)
>
> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding *most*
> of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage and dirt, so
> it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip in the
> paint would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me.
>
> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? What
> strategies do you employ? Do you want to change? Or are you
> unapologetically staying put on the matter? It might be fun to hear
> perspectives.
> Leah
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Eric Marth]

First, I have to say that bikes like Pam's Betty are, to my mind and eye, 
the *most *beautiful. Those that show years of love, utility, wear and tens 
of thousands of miles on the road. More beautiful to me by far than a 
perfect fresh paint job. 

I don't go out of my way to abuse my Rivs but I'm a bit careful and when 
the occasional dumb ding or mishap occurs (always my fault! Sometime in 
collaboration with the cruel and indifferent Old Man Gravity) it stings but 
I do my best to let that go. I'm not so much concerned about scrapes, 
dings, chips but I am bothered by real damage that requires replacement or 
repair. 

My Hillborne was repainted by a local frame builder and the paint job is a 
*little 
brittle.* Like, paint popping off from chain slap, paint popping off from 
removing the frame pump. I'm trying to not be too precious about it. 

My Appaloosa is about a year old. This summer I leaned it up against a 
building and I didn't do a good job. It pitched over and I thought "Oh 
*brother*." There's a scratch in my brake lever, can't detect any other 
damage. 

When I had my Surly that sucker pitched over off the kickstand more times 
than I could count. I almost got used to it. Never had any damage to my 
paint, racks. Some scratches to my bar end shifters. 

I have a harder time with true damage to a frame or component where 
something ends up broken. At a bike rack I just don't want someone else to 
do something stupid and bend my rack struts or damage my Schmidt lamp. I 
did get pushed over by a van at low speed in January of 2022 (no injury to 
me, kinda scary, I'm okay). It ruined a wheel (made it into a taco) and 
bent the fork. That was painful and harder to deal with. Appaloosa is road 
worthy as of late spring with a new Rich-built Cliffhanger with a Son hub. 

Enduring damage to a bike that puts it out of commission can "do terrible 
things to, let us say, the gyroscope of the soul," as Tom Wolfe wrote in 
the Right Stuff. 

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:26:51 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I like to think I am both. Ride it hard, lavish it with love & hope for 
> the best. I’ve owned bikes more “precious” that most Rivs, custom hand made 
> by one craftsman bikes, and those makers share Grants sentiment. These 
> (bikes) are tools first. That said, nothing wrong with protecting your 
> investment. It’s very hard to not want to protect the beauty of an object 
> someone worked so hard to make beautiful.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 5, 2022, at 6:15 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
> to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
> sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
> the bike for?
>
>
> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 favorite 
> bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I bought it 
> to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do guard it from 
> that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping and traveling 
> with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and then I still am 
> tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike Expo I dithered 
> about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy damaged while 
> locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta said, “I don’t 
> think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will expect you to 
> bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>
> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike 
> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust 
> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the 
> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it. 
> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was 
> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But 
> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes 
> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to 
> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has 
> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that 
> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it 
> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said 
> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among 
> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell 
> off a cliff. 
>
> So, who truly loves their Rivendell?