[RBW] FS: Brakes - canti and V

[lconley]

Shimano Deore T610 V-Brakes, dark silver gray - pair, new in box - $45 
shipped CONUS, PayPal
Tektro CR720 Cantilever Brakes, metallic silver paint - not polished 
aluminum - pair, new in box - $45 shipped CONUS, PayPal

Laing

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Re: [RBW] Tektro R559 vs. Dia-Compe 750 centerpulls.

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I gotta protest this rim brakes don't work in the rain thing. It sure sucks 
if the rims are steel, but with alloy, you just need to give a quick 
pre-squeeze or two to clear the water off. Perhaps in a true emergency 
situation you will lose a critical second or two, but I find when riding in 
the rain, unless it's a race (how in the world do those guys manage bikes 
that can't stop?!) I exercise a bit more caution than usual, for a variety 
of reasons, not just slightly reduced braking time.

The Weinmann and Dia Compe center pulls are probably my favorite brakes. I 
don't find them mushy when set up properly (pretty easy) and with good 
modern pads and cables. I had the Tektros for a while, they were okay.

On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 6:39:08 PM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> I tried both and found that neither could stop my bike 
>  
> when the rims were wet, even with Kool Stop salmon pads.
>
> They worked OK in the dry, though.
>
> Eric
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 4:16 PM, lum gim fong  > wrote:
>
>> Any opinions from those who have used both on the same bike?
>> Which do you like better?
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[RBW] 2018 NAHBS Hartford, CT

[Tim Bantham]

Anybody have plans to attend this years North American Handmade Bicycle show? 
The dates are 2/16, 2/17 & 2/18. I’m considering going this year and would love 
to meet up with some fellow list members. 

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[RBW] Re: 2018 NAHBS Hartford, CT

[Wally Estrella]

I'll be there on Friday for a late morning into afternoon visit before 
heading north for home.

On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 9:27:15 AM UTC-5, Tim Bantham wrote:
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> Anybody have plans to attend this years North American Handmade Bicycle 
> show? The dates are 2/16, 2/17 & 2/18. I’m considering going this year and 
> would love to meet up with some fellow list members. 

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[RBW] FS: Acorn boxy rando bag + VO decaleur

[Neil Doran]

Acorn boxy rando bag, shows moderate use, but still perfectly functional. 
In ranger tan, with the turn buckles on the rear pockets, just like the one 
currently listed on their website.

Is fitted with, and I will include, a decaleur from Velo Orange for 1" 
threaded stems. For threadless setups, you can swap the receiver for a 
1.25" version from VO.

Asking $140 for the bag + decaleur, shipped CONUS. OR, will consider trade 
deals for Swift gear or quality, smallish front panniers.

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[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks. Yes, I read that a while back, may have been posted here on another 
thread. My favorite line:

It has an integral chainstay bridge, and uses a slightly lighter seat tube, 
and the combo saves about 3 ounces, or about the same amount of weight 
you'd lose by spitting five times and cutting off a mullet.

Grant says he relied on help from Marc Muller to shave off another 4 oz (a 
quick pee and my winter beard).

There have been a few threads about the Roadini vs. Sam, I think this 
interview illuminates that discussion a bit, for those interested. 
Basically, the Rodeo is the stock model (ie, no Legolas or custom) that has 
the least amount of overlap with any others. Because, why not. With the 
Roadini being the tig version of the Roadeo, I would imagine that still 
holds true for the most part, although unlike the Roadeo, the Roadini does 
have seat stay braze-ons for a rack. And the tube set is a teeny bit 
heavier (but no lugs) so I would guess the target for a light but sensible 
Roadini build would be about 21-22 pds. Still weigh way lighter than my 
rigs these days, which I avoid weighing for the most part, though probably 
fall on a spectrum between mid twenties and low thirties. Weight generally 
doesn't phase me, but there is that psychological psych out factor that can 
create a mental burden and weigh you down. (Ha ha. Not really. I'm so fast 
I need to carry the extra pounds so my riding buddies can keep up with me.)

On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 7:24:19 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
>
> http://www.bikeradar.com/us/news/article/first-look-rivendell-roadeo-steel-club-racer-22939/

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[RBW] Velocity customer service

[iamkeith]

Funny.  I use velocity rims as often as possible, because i like to buy 
american-made.  I bought one custom built, full wheel from them and my customer 
service experience was also fantastic.  The only reason I've never done it 
again is because they only have black hubs.  Who are all these people who 
prefer black, and what's the passwod for  polished silver?

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Re: [RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Eric hit it on the head for my experiences and thoughts on the topic.  I 
don't ride drops any more but neither do I like riding like Mary Poppins.  
Also when I see bikes with drops that are hiked up well above the saddle it 
kind of takes me back a bit.  Always appears to be ungainly but if someone 
prefers to ride that way, let it be so,

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 5:03:56 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I bought a bike from a fellow list member about two years ago that has 
> “upright” Soma Oxford bars on it. I found the bike’s initial setup to be 
> uncomfortable even for short-is rides, and ended up getting a longer stem 
> that puts me in a position somewhere between “upright” and “road bike.” 
> Summary: It wasn’t the bars, but the position … and it didn’t take very 
> long at all to figure it out. Once I made a few changes, the bike became 
> comfortable enough for a 400-mile tour down the California coast.
>
> I can easily envision a setup with drop bars that would be just as 
> uncomfortable (I’ve seen photos of many such bars-in-the-stratosphere bikes 
> on this list).
>
> To each his own, but I’ve found a more road-ish body position (leaning 
> slightly forward) more comfortable than sitting straight up. And it’s not 
> just the bars, but the combination of frame, bars, stem, and seat position 
> that makes the difference.
>
> --Eric Norris
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> On Jan 23, 2018, at 1:35 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
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> I've never ridden an upright 40 miles. I use drop bars for that. I have 
> upright bars on the bicycles I use for scooting around town, 
> shopping,riding the tandem with my son, visiting friends. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[Tim Gavin]

My 59cm Roadeo was about 21.5# with classic parts:
28h Mavic Open Pro laced to Shimano 600 tricolor hubs
Nitto stem and bars
8-speed Campagnolo (Sachs version, actually) Ergopower shifters and
derailleurs
VO 46/30 crank and VO cartridge BB
Brooks Pro saddle

so <20# shouldn't be hard with mid-range modern components.


On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 12:12 PM, RJM  wrote:

> I had a 53cm Roadeo in Orange that I built up using fairly light weight
> parts and it was under 20 lbs...like 19.5 lbs if I remember correctly. It
> may have been a bit less but I wound up selling it when I bought a Trek
> Emonda SL6, which came in at 16 lbs with the same Rolf wheelset. Off the
> top of my head, here was the build:
>
> 53cm Roadeo with threaded headset and fork
> Nitto s83 seatpost
> Rolf Vigor RS wheels
> 25mm Continental gp4000s tires (originally had 32mm Stampede Pass tires on
> it but after I ran through those I switched to the GPs)
> Full Ultegra 6800 groupset
> bontrager Paradigm saddle
> Nitto lugged stem
> Mark's bars by Nitto
> Look classic clipless pedals
>
> As a racey road bike it did very well and I really liked it; very
> comfortable and fast bike. I was quite a bit faster on the Roadeo compared
> to the Sam I also had, which was the point for me. If I was going to do it
> again the only change I would do would be to get the threadless fork/stem
> option. I originally bought the Roadeo to be my only road bike and to ride
> with the club on fast, spirited paceline type rides and other centuries.
> The bike worked great for that. I bought the carbon bike on a whim and
> found I also enjoyed the ride and felt it scooted up hills faster. It was
> more responsive but also comfortable, plus the price was right. Since then,
> I've stopped road riding and have re-discovered mountain biking so now I'm
> fresh out of road bikes and have sold them all. lol.
>
>
>
> Ryan (who is currently contemplating a Legolas custom to race cyclocross
> with)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 5:21:48 PM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote:
>
>> Reading Grant interview where he was saying they were shooting for sub-20
>> wihen they developed  the Roadeo and was wondering if anyone here has
>> realized this on their Roadeo.
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[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[LBleriot]

Without the B17 and enormously heavy Crane bell, this gets pretty close 20 
lbs.

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> Reading Grant interview where he was saying they were shooting for sub-20 
> wihen they developed  the Roadeo and was wondering if anyone here has 
> realized this on their Roadeo.

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[RBW] Re: Tektro R559 vs. Dia-Compe 750 centerpulls.

[LBleriot]

IMHO they're both speed adjusters rather than brakes.  The CPs are a tad 
mushier in response, but look nicer and allow more room for fenders 
particularly at the fork bridge.

On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 4:16:48 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
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> Any opinions from those who have used both on the same bike?
> Which do you like better?
>

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[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[RJM]

I had a 53cm Roadeo in Orange that I built up using fairly light weight 
parts and it was under 20 lbs...like 19.5 lbs if I remember correctly. It 
may have been a bit less but I wound up selling it when I bought a Trek 
Emonda SL6, which came in at 16 lbs with the same Rolf wheelset. Off the 
top of my head, here was the build:

53cm Roadeo with threaded headset and fork
Nitto s83 seatpost
Rolf Vigor RS wheels
25mm Continental gp4000s tires (originally had 32mm Stampede Pass tires on 
it but after I ran through those I switched to the GPs) 
Full Ultegra 6800 groupset
bontrager Paradigm saddle
Nitto lugged stem 
Mark's bars by Nitto
Look classic clipless pedals

As a racey road bike it did very well and I really liked it; very 
comfortable and fast bike. I was quite a bit faster on the Roadeo compared 
to the Sam I also had, which was the point for me. If I was going to do it 
again the only change I would do would be to get the threadless fork/stem 
option. I originally bought the Roadeo to be my only road bike and to ride 
with the club on fast, spirited paceline type rides and other centuries. 
The bike worked great for that. I bought the carbon bike on a whim and 
found I also enjoyed the ride and felt it scooted up hills faster. It was 
more responsive but also comfortable, plus the price was right. Since then, 
I've stopped road riding and have re-discovered mountain biking so now I'm 
fresh out of road bikes and have sold them all. lol. 



Ryan (who is currently contemplating a Legolas custom to race cyclocross 
with)





On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 5:21:48 PM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote:

> Reading Grant interview where he was saying they were shooting for sub-20 
> wihen they developed  the Roadeo and was wondering if anyone here has 
> realized this on their Roadeo.

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[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[JohnS]

Thanks for posting the article. My plan at this time is that a Roadeo would 
be next bike for the kind of riding it is intended for. It would replace my 
vintage aluminum Trek 1000 which I got for a very good price. It's good 
bike, lively and responsive, but the ride can be harsh compared to my QB 
and Salsa Casseroll. I think the Roadeo will fit the bill perfectly.

JohnS
 

>
>
> On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 5:21:48 PM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote:
>
>> Reading Grant interview where he was saying they were shooting for sub-20 
>> wihen they developed  the Roadeo and was wondering if anyone here has 
>> realized this on their Roadeo.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Tektro R559 vs. Dia-Compe 750 centerpulls.

[lum gim fong]

So far Pauls and R559 run into trouble sporadically in the rain. Sonetimes they 
work like normal when wet, sometimes barely any stoppage at all.

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[RBW] Re: Velocity customer service

[Garth]

How about a real live telephone conversation with a real live person ?
:-)

They may not list the number on their website, but it does exist regardless 
.  From a simple "Velocity rims usa" web search .
Sorry about how it pastes, but it was not editable as-is  


Address 
:
 
2280 29th St SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49508
Hours 
:
 

*Open* ⋅ Closes 4:30PM














Phone 
:
 
(616) 243-0414














Phone 
:
 
(616) 243-0414




On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 11:48:26 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Funny. what's the passwod for  polished silver?

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[RBW] Re: Velocity customer service

[Garth]

How about a real live telephone conversation with a real live person ?
:-)

They may not list the number on their website, but it does exist regardless 
.  From a simple "Velocity rims usa" web search .
Sorry about how it pastes, but it was not editable as-is  

Address 
:
 
2280 29th St SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49508
Hours 
:
 

*Open* ⋅ Closes 4:30PM














Phone 
:
 
(616) 243-0414




On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 11:48:26 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
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> Funny.   what's the passwod for  polished silver?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Clem L special on the Blahg

[Joe Bernard]

I was at RBW yesterday and saw the Clem L "3-speed" Grant is selling. $1650 
today, bottoms out at $1600 Saturday, 1/27. It's super nice and that's a raging 
deal all set up with an XT derailer, Brooks saddle, Bullmoose Boscos and a 
BananaSax. It's a good thing it doesn't fit me, otherwise I would have taken it 
home yesterday. It's sweet!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Clem L special on the Blahg

[Patrick Moore]

Where can one find this? 3 cogs, 3 rings, IGH?

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 12:52 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I was at RBW yesterday and saw the Clem L "3-speed" Grant is selling.
> $1650 today, bottoms out at $1600 Saturday, 1/27. It's super nice and
> that's a raging deal all set up with an XT derailer, Brooks saddle,
> Bullmoose Boscos and a BananaSax. It's a good thing it doesn't fit me,
> otherwise I would have taken it home yesterday. It's sweet!
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Re: [RBW] Tektro R559 vs. Dia-Compe 750 centerpulls.

[Tim Gavin]

Paul centerpulls have no mush, outside of the cables/housing.   Paul CP
arms are much stiffer than Dia-Compe/Weinmanns.  In my opinion, the
flexiness of the R559 brake arms was somewhere between the Paul and DC
centerpulls.

However, any rim brake can feel mushy if you have excessive toe-in, because
the front ends of the pads hit first.


Paul CPs have the same problems of any rim brake when wet, especially
compounded with oil and filth from the road.

Personally, I have an un-Rivendellian preference for discs.  I guess I'm
more dwarf (disc; they loved machines) than elf (Rivendell).  My stable is
two rim brake, three disc.  All fun.

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 12:49 PM, lum gim fong 
wrote:

> So far Pauls and R559 run into trouble sporadically in the rain. Sonetimes
> they work like normal when wet, sometimes barely any stoppage at all.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Clem L special on the Blahg

[Joe Bernard]

Tis here. 3-speed that can be converted to a full triple with one shifter 
cable. 

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/bikeoweek-1

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[RBW] FS: Brooks Cambium C-17 slate, as new

[Neil Doran]

Brooks Cambium C-17, slate, as new condition. Installed once and 
immediately removed. $80 shipped CONUS.

Wanna trade? I would consider trades for brifters or Soma Cazadero tires.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Clem L special on the Blahg

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think you're more likely to see a Rivendell disc frame than a Riv Silver 
internal hub.

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> Got it; and as an exercise in "Hey! You know, you can do this!" it's 
> interesting; but it's also like driving from LA to NYC by way of Copacabana 
> or, to quote the Chesterton poem, "The night we went to Birmingham by way 
> of Beachy Head."
>
> I was sortakinda hoping that Riv was developing its own Silver 3 speed IGH.
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Joe Bernard  > wrote:
>
>> Tis here. 3-speed that can be converted to a full triple with one shifter 
>> cable.
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/bikeoweek-1
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[RBW] Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[lum gim fong]

Please only those who have ridden both:


I own a blue Ram.
Gonna be any noticeable ride diffs if I get a Roadeo?
I do road riding with light loads.
Just wondering if worth getting one or if it is virtually the same 
experience.
Thanks for the info.

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Re: [RBW] Tektro R559 vs. Dia-Compe 750 centerpulls.

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/26/2018 10:38 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
I gotta protest this rim brakes don't work in the rain thing. It sure 
sucks if the rims are steel, but with alloy, you just need to give a 
quick pre-squeeze or two to clear the water off. Perhaps in a true 
emergency situation you will lose a critical second or two, but I find 
when riding in the rain, unless it's a race (how in the world do those 
guys manage bikes that can't stop?!) I exercise a bit more caution 
than usual, for a variety of reasons, not just slightly reduced 
braking time.


I agree.  On the other hand, perhaps there's something else going on 
with Eric's bike that we're unaware of that could be making that happen.





The Weinmann and Dia Compe center pulls are probably my favorite 
brakes. I don't find them mushy when set up properly (pretty easy) and 
with good modern pads and cables. I had the Tektros for a while, they 
were okay.


On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 6:39:08 PM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:

I tried both and found that neither could stop my bike

when the rims were wet, even with Kool Stop salmon pads.

They worked OK in the dry, though.

Eric



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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Clem L special on the Blahg

[Patrick Moore]

I mean: I saw reference to it in Knothole, but no picture of the bike. Late
to the party, I know, but ...?

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 1:05 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Where can one find this? 3 cogs, 3 rings, IGH?
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 12:52 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I was at RBW yesterday and saw the Clem L "3-speed" Grant is selling.
>> $1650 today, bottoms out at $1600 Saturday, 1/27. It's super nice and
>> that's a raging deal all set up with an XT derailer, Brooks saddle,
>> Bullmoose Boscos and a BananaSax. It's a good thing it doesn't fit me,
>> otherwise I would have taken it home yesterday. It's sweet!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Clem L special on the Blahg

[Patrick Moore]

Got it; and as an exercise in "Hey! You know, you can do this!" it's
interesting; but it's also like driving from LA to NYC by way of Copacabana
or, to quote the Chesterton poem, "The night we went to Birmingham by way
of Beachy Head."

I was sortakinda hoping that Riv was developing its own Silver 3 speed IGH.

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Tis here. 3-speed that can be converted to a full triple with one shifter
> cable.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/bikeoweek-1
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[lum gim fong]

PS- light loads means Bethroud GB25 or Sackville Bartube only. 

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[RBW] 2018 NAHBS Hartford, CT

[Call Me Jay]

I’m volunteering on Sunday afternoon and will be at the CCAP party on Saturday 
night.  

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Philip Williamson]

A poncho test might be safer. Less entertaining/stressful. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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> I want to watch that blindfolded test ride where you try to tell the 
> difference. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca
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[RBW] Re: 65cm Atlantis Double TT Slow-build pics

[Birdman]

I agree about the double TT. A stout set of wheels should be done mid-week. 

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[RBW] Re: 65cm Atlantis Double TT Slow-build pics

[dougP]

You are patient!  In that frame size, the 2TT looks just right.  Now for 
some wheels?

dougP

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> Hey bunch,
>
> After many months of accumulating parts, not to mention waiting on the 
> frame, I've finally started building up the new ATL.  I've been dreaming 
> about this bike for about 16 years, so it's incredibly gratifying to see it 
> coming together.  I'll be building it up over the next week or so and will 
> document here:
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmd8YyTQ
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> So. stoked.  Thanks for letting me share with y'all.
>
> brdmn
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[a spens]

That was really funny.  Made me snort my tea.

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> I want to watch that blindfolded test ride where you try to tell the 
> difference. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
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[RBW] 65cm Atlantis Double TT Slow-build pics

[Birdman]

Hey bunch,

After many months of accumulating parts, not to mention waiting on the 
frame, I've finally started building up the new ATL.  I've been dreaming 
about this bike for about 16 years, so it's incredibly gratifying to see it 
coming together.  I'll be building it up over the next week or so and will 
document here:

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmd8YyTQ

So. stoked.  Thanks for letting me share with y'all.

brdmn

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[RBW] Re: 65cm Atlantis Double TT Slow-build pics

[drew]

Something about those 2TT atlanti.

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[RBW] FS: Brakes - canti and V

[Andrew Huston]

PM’d earlier on the v brakes

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/pzVzs1SioZUZIZQo1


As you see for $1800 make it disappear

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[RBW] FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

Just tossing this out there.
Fairly stock but will include my single speed kit (Alfine tensioner). front 
derailleur is a Microshift. Grips are Rustines.
SKS fenders.
B67 seat.

$1600+ shipped. It's green.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

Reason for sale? I want a second Jones bike as I love how it fits/rides.

On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 8:44:07 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
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> Just tossing this out there.
> Fairly stock but will include my single speed kit (Alfine tensioner). 
> front derailleur is a Microshift. Grips are Rustines.
> SKS fenders.
> B67 seat.
>
> $1600+ shipped. It's green.
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[LBleriot]

My dentist and my ortho love it when I do my blind tests.

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>
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[RBW] Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[LBleriot]

Depends on the wheels/tires and cockpit IMHO.  I run lighter wheels, narrower 
tires and brifters on my Roadeo so it feels it bit more lively than my Toyo 
Ram. Blindfolded, I’d be hard pressed to tell the difference.  

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[RBW] Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Bill Lindsay]

I want to watch that blindfolded test ride where you try to tell the 
difference. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Joe Bernard]

You go through Clems quicker than I do!

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