Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts
The case in hand the first listed author of the later "edition" was the same as the first. It was only with 1982 publication that the second author was listed. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Adam L. Schiff wrote: > Probably John, but the example illustrates the more simple case of two > editions with the identical title. It's obviously more of a judgment call > if you have versions with different titles, but hopefully the later version > clearly states that it is just a revision of the earlier edition. > > Maybe it would be good to add an additional example at this part of that > instruction. I'll suggest it to the RDA Examples Group. > > Adam > > > ^^** > Adam L. Schiff > Principal Cataloger > University of Washington Libraries > Box 352900 > Seattle, WA 98195-2900 > (206) 543-8409 > (206) 685-8782 fax > asch...@u.washington.edu > http://faculty.washington.edu/**~aschiff<http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff> > ~~** > > On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, John Hostage wrote: > > Isn't this covered by the last part of RDA 6.27.1.5? >> >> --** >> John Hostage >> Authorities and Database Integrity Librarian >> Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services >> Langdell Hall 194 >> Cambridge, MA 02138 >> host...@law.harvard.edu >> +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) >> +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) >> >> >> -Original Message- >>> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access >>> [mailto:rd...@listserv.lac-**BAC.GC.CA ] >>> On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 16:37 >>> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA >>> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts >>> >>> Thanks for locating the documentation on this Daniel. But we shouldn't >>> be expected to have to try to find it there - it needs to be in the LC- >>> PCC PSs where catalogers can be expected to look once they have been >>> trained >>> in RDA. Hopefully someone from LC PSD is reading this and can put >>> something in the policy statements! >>> >>> ^^** >>> Adam L. Schiff >>> Principal Cataloger >>> University of Washington Libraries >>> Box 352900 >>> Seattle, WA 98195-2900 >>> (206) 543-8409 >>> (206) 685-8782 fax >>> asch...@u.washington.edu >>> http://faculty.washington.edu/**~aschiff<http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff> >>> ~~** >>> >>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, Paradis Daniel wrote: >>> >>> LC's RDA training materials provides the answer to your question (see >>>> >>> http://www.loc.gov/**catworkshop/RDA%20training%** >>> 20materials/LC%20RDA%20Tr<http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/RDA%20training%20materials/LC%20RDA%20Tr> >>> aining/**Module3ExpressionsAndContentSe**pt12.doc, Appendix 2). The >>> examples provided indicate that a "uniform title" would be used to >>> collocate the editions if following LC practice: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> C. New title proper, and the work has been revised >>>> >>>> o new expression >>>> >>>> o UT field for original preferred title -- change from AACR2 >>>> >>> (related work a.e.) >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Example A: >>>> >>>> Original: >>>> >>>> 100 $a Monson, Craig. >>>> >>>> 245 $a Disembodied voices : $b music and culture in an early modern >>>> Italian convent / >>>> >>>>$c Craig A. Monson. >>>> >>>> 260 $a Berkeley : $b University of California Press, $c 1995. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Revision: >>>> >>>> 100 $a Monson, Craig. >>>> >>>> 240 $a Disembodied voices >>>> >>>> 245 $a Divas in the convent : $b nuns, music, and defiance in >>>> seventeenth-century Italy / >>>> >>>>$c Craig A. Monson. >>>> >>>> 260 $a Chicago : $b University of Chicago Press, $c 2012. >>>> >>>> 500 $a Revision of the author's Disembodied voices. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Example B: >>>> >>>> Original: >>>> >>>> 245 $a Contemporary art and multicultural education / $c edited by >>>> Susan Cahan and >>>> >>>>Zoya Kucor. >>>> >>>> 260 $a New York : $b New Museum of Contemporary Art : $b Routledge, >>>> >>> $c 1996. >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Revision: >>>> >>>> 130 $a Contemporary art and multicultural education >>>> >>>> 245 $a Rethinking Contemporary Art and Multicultural Education / $c >>>> The New >>>> >>>>Museum of Contemporary Art. >>>> >>>> 250 $a Fully revised second edition. >>>> >>>> 260 $a New York, NY : $b Routledge, $c 2011. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only.
Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts
Probably John, but the example illustrates the more simple case of two editions with the identical title. It's obviously more of a judgment call if you have versions with different titles, but hopefully the later version clearly states that it is just a revision of the earlier edition. Maybe it would be good to add an additional example at this part of that instruction. I'll suggest it to the RDA Examples Group. Adam ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 (206) 543-8409 (206) 685-8782 fax asch...@u.washington.edu http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff ~~ On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, John Hostage wrote: Isn't this covered by the last part of RDA 6.27.1.5? -- John Hostage Authorities and Database Integrity Librarian Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services Langdell Hall 194 Cambridge, MA 02138 host...@law.harvard.edu +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 16:37 To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts Thanks for locating the documentation on this Daniel. But we shouldn't be expected to have to try to find it there - it needs to be in the LC- PCC PSs where catalogers can be expected to look once they have been trained in RDA. Hopefully someone from LC PSD is reading this and can put something in the policy statements! ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 (206) 543-8409 (206) 685-8782 fax asch...@u.washington.edu http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff ~~ On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, Paradis Daniel wrote: LC's RDA training materials provides the answer to your question (see http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/RDA%20training%20materials/LC%20RDA%20Tr aining/Module3ExpressionsAndContentSept12.doc, Appendix 2). The examples provided indicate that a "uniform title" would be used to collocate the editions if following LC practice: C. New title proper, and the work has been revised o new expression o UT field for original preferred title -- change from AACR2 (related work a.e.) Example A: Original: 100 $a Monson, Craig. 245 $a Disembodied voices : $b music and culture in an early modern Italian convent / $c Craig A. Monson. 260 $a Berkeley : $b University of California Press, $c 1995. Revision: 100 $a Monson, Craig. 240 $a Disembodied voices 245 $a Divas in the convent : $b nuns, music, and defiance in seventeenth-century Italy / $c Craig A. Monson. 260 $a Chicago : $b University of Chicago Press, $c 2012. 500 $a Revision of the author's Disembodied voices. Example B: Original: 245 $a Contemporary art and multicultural education / $c edited by Susan Cahan and Zoya Kucor. 260 $a New York : $b New Museum of Contemporary Art : $b Routledge, $c 1996. Revision: 130 $a Contemporary art and multicultural education 245 $a Rethinking Contemporary Art and Multicultural Education / $c The New Museum of Contemporary Art. 250 $a Fully revised second edition. 260 $a New York, NY : $b Routledge, $c 2011.
Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts
Isn't this covered by the last part of RDA 6.27.1.5? -- John Hostage Authorities and Database Integrity Librarian Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services Langdell Hall 194 Cambridge, MA 02138 host...@law.harvard.edu +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) > -Original Message- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access > [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 16:37 > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts > > Thanks for locating the documentation on this Daniel. But we shouldn't > be expected to have to try to find it there - it needs to be in the LC- > PCC PSs where catalogers can be expected to look once they have been > trained > in RDA. Hopefully someone from LC PSD is reading this and can put > something in the policy statements! > > ^^ > Adam L. Schiff > Principal Cataloger > University of Washington Libraries > Box 352900 > Seattle, WA 98195-2900 > (206) 543-8409 > (206) 685-8782 fax > asch...@u.washington.edu > http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff > ~~ > > On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, Paradis Daniel wrote: > > > LC's RDA training materials provides the answer to your question (see > http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/RDA%20training%20materials/LC%20RDA%20Tr > aining/Module3ExpressionsAndContentSept12.doc, Appendix 2). The > examples provided indicate that a "uniform title" would be used to > collocate the editions if following LC practice: > > > > > > > > C. New title proper, and the work has been revised > > > > o new expression > > > > o UT field for original preferred title -- change from AACR2 > (related work a.e.) > > > > > > > > Example A: > > > > Original: > > > > 100 $a Monson, Craig. > > > > 245 $a Disembodied voices : $b music and culture in an early modern > > Italian convent / > > > >$c Craig A. Monson. > > > > 260 $a Berkeley : $b University of California Press, $c 1995. > > > > > > > > Revision: > > > > 100 $a Monson, Craig. > > > > 240 $a Disembodied voices > > > > 245 $a Divas in the convent : $b nuns, music, and defiance in > > seventeenth-century Italy / > > > >$c Craig A. Monson. > > > > 260 $a Chicago : $b University of Chicago Press, $c 2012. > > > > 500 $a Revision of the author's Disembodied voices. > > > > > > > > Example B: > > > > Original: > > > > 245 $a Contemporary art and multicultural education / $c edited by > > Susan Cahan and > > > >Zoya Kucor. > > > > 260 $a New York : $b New Museum of Contemporary Art : $b Routledge, > $c 1996. > > > > > > > > Revision: > > > > 130 $a Contemporary art and multicultural education > > > > 245 $a Rethinking Contemporary Art and Multicultural Education / $c > > The New > > > >Museum of Contemporary Art. > > > > 250 $a Fully revised second edition. > > > > 260 $a New York, NY : $b Routledge, $c 2011. > > > > > > > >
Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts
Thanks for locating the documentation on this Daniel. But we shouldn't be expected to have to try to find it there - it needs to be in the LC-PCC PSs where catalogers can be expected to look once they have been trained in RDA. Hopefully someone from LC PSD is reading this and can put something in the policy statements! ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 (206) 543-8409 (206) 685-8782 fax asch...@u.washington.edu http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff ~~ On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, Paradis Daniel wrote: LC's RDA training materials provides the answer to your question (see http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/RDA%20training%20materials/LC%20RDA%20Training/Module3ExpressionsAndContentSept12.doc, Appendix 2). The examples provided indicate that a "uniform title" would be used to collocate the editions if following LC practice: C. New title proper, and the work has been revised o new expression o UT field for original preferred title -- change from AACR2 (related work a.e.) Example A: Original: 100 $a Monson, Craig. 245 $a Disembodied voices : $b music and culture in an early modern Italian convent / $c Craig A. Monson. 260 $a Berkeley : $b University of California Press, $c 1995. Revision: 100 $a Monson, Craig. 240 $a Disembodied voices 245 $a Divas in the convent : $b nuns, music, and defiance in seventeenth-century Italy / $c Craig A. Monson. 260 $a Chicago : $b University of Chicago Press, $c 2012. 500 $a Revision of the author's Disembodied voices. Example B: Original: 245 $a Contemporary art and multicultural education / $c edited by Susan Cahan and Zoya Kucor. 260 $a New York : $b New Museum of Contemporary Art : $b Routledge, $c 1996. Revision: 130 $a Contemporary art and multicultural education 245 $a Rethinking Contemporary Art and Multicultural Education / $c The New Museum of Contemporary Art. 250 $a Fully revised second edition. 260 $a New York, NY : $b Routledge, $c 2011. Daniel Paradis Biblioth?caire Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales Biblioth?que et Archives nationales du Qu?bec 2275, rue Holt Montr?al (Qu?bec) H2G 3H1 T?l?phone : 514 873-1101, poste 3721 T?l?copieur : 514 873-7296 daniel.para...@banq.qc.ca http://www.banq.qc.ca <http://www.banq.qc.ca/> De : Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] De la part de Gene Fieg Envoy? : 19 f?vrier 2013 14:12 ? : RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Objet : Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Gene Fieg wrote: I asked this question before, but we might as well go with RDA in this matter. Book in hand: A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, Gavin Lewis. Prev. title: A brief history of Western man. Under RDA do we need a preferred access point (i.e. u.t.) for this? Chapter 6 ain't too clear and I don't see an LCCPS on this. LC has classed both under the same class using the same cutter. -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only. -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only.
Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts
For each resource you must name the work embodied in the resource. That can be done with an authorized access point (e.g. in MARC 130, or 100/240, or it can be implied with 100/245 (or 245 alone) when the title portion of the authorized access point of the work is identical to the manifestation title. As to whether to name the revised edition using the title of the previous edition or not, I found this in RDA: If the work is presented simply as an edition of the previously existing work, treat it as an expression of that work. Use the authorized access point representing the previously existing work. If it is considered important to identify the particular expression, construct an authorized access point representing the expression as instructed at 6.27.3 But this instruction is at 6.27.1.6 and deals specifically with Commentary, Annotations, Illustrative Content, Etc., Added to a Previously Existing Work. So I'm not sure if this applies in your case. In the RDA NACO bridge training, in demonstration 8.b, there is an example of a dictionary that changed titles between editions, and a 130 is given for the original work, without any expression elements added to it. When I inquired about that, Melanie Polutta explained LC's policy: "if I was really implementing RDA to its fullest, then I would be adding an expression element to the revised edition authorized access point, from the Other distinguishing characteristic of Expression to make those expressions unique, the same as we do currently for language expressions. But right now, in MARC, that would create more work than it is worth, for the same reason that LC is currently choosing NOT to create unique NAR's for every variant translation in the same language. TOO MUCH WORK. I COULD be creating a 130/240 for those revised editions that would be Name. Title of Work (Revised edition), with all the NAR's implied. But the sheer number of NAR's there is really not to be considered at this point. So what we have focused on is that the variant expressions in the same language all need to be unified under the authorized access point based on Title of Work, thus the use of the 130, where we never used it before, and the need for an NAR when using a 240." So I think the answer to your question Gene, is that there should be a 240 with the title portion of the authorized access point for the earlier edition. I'm assuming that Greer is the first named creator of both? If not, the 100 field would be the creator of the earlier edition. All this is presuming that what we have is an expression of the same work, rather than a new work. Adam ^^ Adam L. Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries Box 352900 Seattle, WA 98195-2900 (206) 543-8409 (206) 685-8782 fax asch...@u.washington.edu http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff ~~ On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, Damian Iseminger wrote: Authorized access points are not required in RDA. The decision to use them is up to you. In your case it might be a good idea to create one. Damian Iseminger Head of Cataloging New England Conservatory From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:12 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Gene Fieg mailto:gf...@cst.edu>> wrote: I asked this question before, but we might as well go with RDA in this matter. Book in hand: A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, Gavin Lewis. Prev. title: A brief history of Western man. Under RDA do we need a preferred access point (i.e. u.t.) for this? Chapter 6 ain't too clear and I don't see an LCCPS on this. LC has classed both under the same class using the same cutter. -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu<mailto:gf...@cst.edu> Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only. -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu<mailto:gf...@cst.edu> Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only.
Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts
LC's RDA training materials provides the answer to your question (see http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/RDA%20training%20materials/LC%20RDA%20Training/Module3ExpressionsAndContentSept12.doc, Appendix 2). The examples provided indicate that a "uniform title" would be used to collocate the editions if following LC practice: C. New title proper, and the work has been revised o new expression o UT field for original preferred title -- change from AACR2 (related work a.e.) Example A: Original: 100 $a Monson, Craig. 245 $a Disembodied voices : $b music and culture in an early modern Italian convent / $c Craig A. Monson. 260 $a Berkeley : $b University of California Press, $c 1995. Revision: 100 $a Monson, Craig. 240 $a Disembodied voices 245 $a Divas in the convent : $b nuns, music, and defiance in seventeenth-century Italy / $c Craig A. Monson. 260 $a Chicago : $b University of Chicago Press, $c 2012. 500 $a Revision of the author's Disembodied voices. Example B: Original: 245 $a Contemporary art and multicultural education / $c edited by Susan Cahan and Zoya Kucor. 260 $a New York : $b New Museum of Contemporary Art : $b Routledge, $c 1996. Revision: 130 $a Contemporary art and multicultural education 245 $a Rethinking Contemporary Art and Multicultural Education / $c The New Museum of Contemporary Art. 250 $a Fully revised second edition. 260 $a New York, NY : $b Routledge, $c 2011. Daniel Paradis Bibliothécaire Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec 2275, rue Holt Montréal (Québec) H2G 3H1 Téléphone : 514 873-1101, poste 3721 Télécopieur : 514 873-7296 daniel.para...@banq.qc.ca http://www.banq.qc.ca <http://www.banq.qc.ca/> De : Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] De la part de Gene Fieg Envoyé : 19 février 2013 14:12 À : RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Objet : Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Gene Fieg wrote: I asked this question before, but we might as well go with RDA in this matter. Book in hand: A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, Gavin Lewis. Prev. title: A brief history of Western man. Under RDA do we need a preferred access point (i.e. u.t.) for this? Chapter 6 ain't too clear and I don't see an LCCPS on this. LC has classed both under the same class using the same cutter. -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only. -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only.
Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts
Kevin, I totally agree with you. I don't see how the composite description helps at all in collocation. As a music cataloger I use uniform titles everyday, just because of the nature of music publishing (multiple language manifestation titles for the same work) but then I've realized that most general catalogers use them infrequently, if at all. If a work is only manifested once, which is the case for many monographs, there really isn't a need to collocate. Damian -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:34 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts Damian Iseminger wrote: > I also beg to differ. It is up to you how you want express the Work > manifested relationship. According to 17.4.2.2 you can use an identifier or > an authorized access point OR a composite description. The only thing > Core is expressing the primary relationship. > > So in the situation is was responding to earlier, the Work manifested > relationship could be just as easily expressed in a composite description > as: > > A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, Gavin Lewis. > ... > Previous title: A brief history of Western man. > > In fact this is eerily similar to the Composite Description example at > 17.8.1.3, Recording a Work Manifested. Good point! But without an identifier or an authorized access point, I don't see any way for a composite description to fulfill any kind of collocating function in a database of bibliographic data. So I guess you're right that the authorized access point isn't core in RDA. But in order to meet RDA objective 0.4.2.4 Continuity (The data should be amenable to integration into existing databases (particularly those developed using AACR and related standards)) then I think we really should all be thinking of the authorized access point as being core in our implementation for the time being. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!
Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts
Damian Iseminger wrote: > I also beg to differ. It is up to you how you want express the Work > manifested relationship. According to 17.4.2.2 you can use an identifier or > an authorized access point OR a composite description. The only thing > Core is expressing the primary relationship. > > So in the situation is was responding to earlier, the Work manifested > relationship could be just as easily expressed in a composite description > as: > > A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, Gavin Lewis. > ... > Previous title: A brief history of Western man. > > In fact this is eerily similar to the Composite Description example at > 17.8.1.3, Recording a Work Manifested. Good point! But without an identifier or an authorized access point, I don't see any way for a composite description to fulfill any kind of collocating function in a database of bibliographic data. So I guess you're right that the authorized access point isn't core in RDA. But in order to meet RDA objective 0.4.2.4 Continuity (The data should be amenable to integration into existing databases (particularly those developed using AACR and related standards)) then I think we really should all be thinking of the authorized access point as being core in our implementation for the time being. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!
Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts
Based on slide 23 and its notes from the LC session on "FRBR, RDA, and MARC", where the title of the 2nd ed. doesn't match the title of the 1st ed., a 240 is required in the bib record. As Damian notes below, the creation of an authority record for Expression is not required by RDA, but I'm not sure if that's also LC-PCC practice. Jasmin Jasmin Nof Hebraica Cataloging Librarian University of Pennsylvania Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center 3420 Walnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206 T. 215-746-6397 F. 215-573-9610 j...@upenn.edu On 2/19/2013 2:26 PM, Damian Iseminger wrote: Authorized access points are not required in RDA. The decision to use them is up to you. In your case it might be a good idea to create one. Damian Iseminger Head of Cataloging New England Conservatory *From:*Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Gene Fieg *Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:12 PM *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Gene Fieg <mailto:gf...@cst.edu>> wrote: I asked this question before, but we might as well go with RDA in this matter. Book in hand: A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, Gavin Lewis. Prev. title: A brief history of Western man. Under RDA do we need a preferred access point (i.e. u.t.) for this? Chapter 6 ain't too clear and I don't see an LCCPS on this. LC has classed both under the same class using the same cutter. -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu <mailto:gf...@cst.edu> Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only. -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu <mailto:gf...@cst.edu> Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only.
Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts
Kevin, I also beg to differ. It is up to you how you want express the Work manifested relationship. According to 17.4.2.2 you can use an identifier or an authorized access point OR a composite description. The only thing Core is expressing the primary relationship. So in the situation is was responding to earlier, the Work manifested relationship could be just as easily expressed in a composite description as: A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, Gavin Lewis. ... Previous title: A brief history of Western man. In fact this is eerily similar to the Composite Description example at 17.8.1.3, Recording a Work Manifested. Damian Iseminger Head of Cataloging New England Conservatory -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:03 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts Damian Iseminger wrote: > Authorized access points are not required in RDA. The decision to use > them is up to you. In your case it might be a good idea to create one. I beg to differ. In RDA chapter 17 (General Guidelines on Recording Primary Relationships), it says at 17.3 Core Elements: When recording primary relationships, include as a minimum the work manifested. If there is more than one expression of the work, record the expression manifested. If more than one work is embodied in the manifestation, only the predominant or first-named work manifested is required. If more than one expression is embodied in the manifestation, only the predominant or first-named expression manifested is required. Therefore, the primary relationship is Core. In most current environments, the only method we have to record the primary relationship is via the authorized access point. Most agencies are not yet at the point where they can use an identifier. I do not understand the LC-PCC PS for chapter 17. It says: "LC practice for Chapter 17: Do not apply chapter 17 in the current implementation scenario." But it is, in fact, being applied in practice. It's what we're doing when we give the authorized access point, the recording method described in 17.4.2.2. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!
Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts
Damian Iseminger wrote: > Authorized access points are not required in RDA. The decision to use > them is up to you. In your case it might be a good idea to create one. I beg to differ. In RDA chapter 17 (General Guidelines on Recording Primary Relationships), it says at 17.3 Core Elements: When recording primary relationships, include as a minimum the work manifested. If there is more than one expression of the work, record the expression manifested. If more than one work is embodied in the manifestation, only the predominant or first-named work manifested is required. If more than one expression is embodied in the manifestation, only the predominant or first-named expression manifested is required. Therefore, the primary relationship is Core. In most current environments, the only method we have to record the primary relationship is via the authorized access point. Most agencies are not yet at the point where they can use an identifier. I do not understand the LC-PCC PS for chapter 17. It says: "LC practice for Chapter 17: Do not apply chapter 17 in the current implementation scenario." But it is, in fact, being applied in practice. It's what we're doing when we give the authorized access point, the recording method described in 17.4.2.2. Kevin M. Randall Principal Serials Cataloger Northwestern University Library k...@northwestern.edu (847) 491-2939 Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1978!
Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts
Authorized access points are not required in RDA. The decision to use them is up to you. In your case it might be a good idea to create one. Damian Iseminger Head of Cataloging New England Conservatory From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:12 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Gene Fieg mailto:gf...@cst.edu>> wrote: I asked this question before, but we might as well go with RDA in this matter. Book in hand: A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, Gavin Lewis. Prev. title: A brief history of Western man. Under RDA do we need a preferred access point (i.e. u.t.) for this? Chapter 6 ain't too clear and I don't see an LCCPS on this. LC has classed both under the same class using the same cutter. -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu<mailto:gf...@cst.edu> Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only. -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu<mailto:gf...@cst.edu> Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only.
Re: [RDA-L] Change of title, not content : RDA experts
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Gene Fieg wrote: > I asked this question before, but we might as well go with RDA in this > matter. > Book in hand: A brief history of the Western world / Thomas H. Greer, > Gavin Lewis. > Prev. title: A brief history of Western man. > Under RDA do we need a preferred access point (i.e. u.t.) for this? > Chapter 6 ain't too clear and I don't see an LCCPS on this. > > > LC has classed both under the same class using the same cutter. > > -- > Gene Fieg > Cataloger/Serials Librarian > Claremont School of Theology > gf...@cst.edu > > Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not > represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information > or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that > of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School > of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a > courtesy for information only. > -- Gene Fieg Cataloger/Serials Librarian Claremont School of Theology gf...@cst.edu Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Lincoln University do not represent or endorse the accuracy or reliability of any of the information or content contained in this forwarded email. The forwarded email is that of the original sender and does not represent the views of Claremont School of Theology or Claremont Lincoln University. It has been forwarded as a courtesy for information only.
