[Repeater-Builder] Re: QRZ Database

2005-07-06 Thread Doug W7FDF
Problem resolved!!I disconnected the Linksys BEFW11S4 wireless 
router power source for about 30 seconds, reattached the power and
then checked the QRZ website again.all is OK now. This has
happened 
before where strange things happen while surfing the internet so

Back to surfing.

Doug W7FDF



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 Anyone have any ideas why the QRZ Database website has been
offline
 the past couple of days???
  
 Doug W7FDF
 Vail, Arizona






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: QRZ Database

2005-07-06 Thread Dave VanHorn
At 02:11 AM 7/6/2005, Doug W7FDF wrote:
Problem resolved!!I disconnected the Linksys BEFW11S4 wireless
router power source for about 30 seconds, reattached the power and
then checked the QRZ website again.all is OK now. This has
happened
before where strange things happen while surfing the internet so

Mine does this about once a week. No big deal.
I've thought about setting it on an appliance timer, set for 04:00 
since I'm almost always in bed by then.





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: QRZ Database

2005-07-06 Thread Steven Passmore, kf6fkk
My linksys used to stop working about once a week so I did exactly that. The 
timer shut it off for 1 minute at 4AM.  Eventually I dumped the stupid 
linksys and am now using a linux box as a router. I haven't looked back 
since.

Steve,
kf6fkk

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 At 02:11 AM 7/6/2005, Doug W7FDF wrote:
Problem resolved!!I disconnected the Linksys BEFW11S4 wireless
router power source for about 30 seconds, reattached the power and
then checked the QRZ website again.all is OK now. This has
happened
before where strange things happen while surfing the internet so

 Mine does this about once a week. No big deal.
 I've thought about setting it on an appliance timer, set for 04:00
 since I'm almost always in bed by then.






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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: QRZ Database

2005-07-06 Thread Dave VanHorn
At 02:40 AM 7/6/2005, Steven Passmore, kf6fkk wrote:
My linksys used to stop working about once a week so I did exactly that. The
timer shut it off for 1 minute at 4AM.  Eventually I dumped the stupid
linksys and am now using a linux box as a router. I haven't looked back
since.

It's on my todo list.
:)





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: QRZ Database

2005-07-06 Thread Neal Newman






Doug
Run a Virus scanner like SOPHOS
Mcafee and Norton wont find all trojans.. sophos will
free trial at www.sophos.com
sounds like your Router is getting flooded by a trojan
I was getting the same thing had to unplug the router to clear the
flooding
NEAL-ka2acf


Doug W7FDF wrote:

  Problem resolved!!I disconnected the Linksys BEFW11S4 wireless 
router power source for about 30 seconds, reattached the power and
then checked the QRZ website again.all is OK now. This has
happened 
before where "strange" things happen while surfing the internet so

Back to surfing.

Doug W7FDF



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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
Anyone have any ideas why the QRZ Database website has been

  
  "offline"
  
  
the past couple of days???
 
Doug W7FDF
Vail, Arizona

  
  





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
Comments mixed into the text below...

Mike WA6ILQ

At 07:58 PM 7/5/05, you wrote:

Mathew,

The Maggiore EV-1 is a very basic, crystal-controlled exciter that has none
of the filters, power control, or SWR protection features of commercial
units.  I have one that I took off the air because of its tendency to
produce spurs.  It is perhaps not a good idea to use a relatively unstable
exciter to feed a 200 watt (!) power amplifier, which itself may not have
all of the controls and protections of a commercial amplifier.  I've never
heard of Vocom, so I don't know where it falls in the quality lineup.

I find it interesting that the fundamental frequency of your exciter,
12.1175 MHz, when mixed with your output frequency of 145.410 MHz, produces
a product at 133.2925 MHz.  This product is in the aviation band and could
be slope-detected with ease by an AM aircraft radio on a nearby frequency.
I'm not suggesting that this is the cause, but it's a coincidence.

Having a look at 157.5275, which is 12.1175 above his output would be
interesting.
If there is a spur there, it would be indicative of the 133mhz spur being
produced by the same mechanism.

Matt, I'd grab a scanner that had a AM aircraft mode and program up
the 133mhz channel and then rock each exciter adjustment and see if
anything affects it.  I've seen spurs come and go with a 1/32 turn tweak
of a slug that was a 1/4 turn wide peak on a meter-type test set.

A bit of FM history (and yes, bear with me, it is relevant)

The local 146.22 / 82 repeater here in Los Angeles is W6FNO, and
is a very wide area system... it started out about 40 years ago as a single
system at a 3,800' northeast of downtown LA and later added an 8,000'
site with the original site used as a fill-in on the simulcast TX and voting
RX system.

Over 30 years ago, when Standard introduced the first japanese mobile
radios to the USA, the model 806 and 826, some of the users of the
146.82 system were being heard by the Torrance (one of the 86
communities that make up Los Angeles county) police department
dispatcher.
Fortunately, the Torrance radio tech was a user of the 82 system... it
seemed that almost every 82 user that were being heard by the Torrance
dispatcher had a brand-new Standard...

A bit of math showed where the problem was...  the Standard
design used an 8mhz crystal times 18, and the first stage was
an oscillator-tripler (base circuit at 8mhz, collector at 24mhz)

146.220 / 18 = 8.12 crystal fundamental

8.12 times 19 = 154.34, and guess where Torrance PD was...

The simple cure was to take the 8mhz rocks and trash them
and insert a 12mhz rocks.  The oscillator-tripler automagically
became an oscillator-doubler when a 12mhz rock was
selected.
The deviation in the Standard was created by a phase modulator
and while the dev was slightly reduced when running 12mhz
vs 8mhz it was not noticeable.

An agreement was worked out between Torrance and Standard,
and Standard provided the Torrance dispatcher with a Callbook
and a stack of prepaid postcards.
When the dispatcher heard a ham, they'd look up the call,
and send a postcard, which read (something like)
Your radio was heard on Torrance PD dispatch frequencies.
Standard is aware of the problem and has arranged for a free fix.
Please contact (name of local popular 2-way shop #1) at (phone
number) or (name of local 2-way shop #2) at (phone number).
Present this card to either shop and they will fix the problem
at no charge to you, and tune your radio as well.

The shop basically swapped the 146.22 rock and one other
local channel that was a potential problem, adjusted TX  and
RX frequency, and set deviation.  Standard provided the crystals
and paid for an hour of bench time per radio the shop
stapled the postcards to an invoice to Standard and they paid
the bill, no questions asked.

Now Matts radio already is using 12mhz rocks so this fix
technique is not applicable UNLESS the first stage is
an oscillator-multiplier.

You might check to see that the box containing the exciter
is tightly shielded and its power and audio leads are properly
bypassed.

If the exciter is in a box or shield of any kind... if not, maybe
it's time to box it up with a set of good quality feed through caps.

The Standard fix mentioned above took advantage of the lucky
design quirk that allowed a simple plug-in crystal swap to
eliminate the spur.
The real fix would have been adding more shielding and
a bypass cap or three.
This typical cheap design, plus the name of the current-
production Motorola radio of the time, the Motrac, is were
the (no longer politically correct) derogatory term japtrac
came from.

Check to see that all connectors are clean and tight.  Use
a spectrum analyzer to see if your PA is generating spurs.
Try running without the PA, or use a different and lower-
powered PA for comparison.

Make sure all the shields are in place. If your radio came
to you as a used radio, you might want to make sure that
there 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola phone patch model L1159A

2005-07-06 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
I never got a scan in my email.

Mike WA6ILQ

At 05:46 PM 7/5/05, you wrote:

Hi Gang, did this thing ever get scanned if so where is it?
Thanks
AC0Y


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If anyone has a IAI manual and wants to loan it out to be scanned,
  or can scan it themselves, repeater-builder will be happy to
provide
  a place for the PDF.
 
  Mike WA6ILQ
 
  At 08:39 AM 5/17/05, you wrote:
 
   I have a L1158A patch, also made by IAI, and no info on it.
It has two
  modular phone cords coming out of it as well as a cord marked
radio. It was
  once hooked to a low-band Micor base station. There is also a
wall-wart
  attached. If anyone comes up with any info I'd like to know as
well.
  
  73 and thanks,
  Al, K9SI







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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: QRZ Database

2005-07-06 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 12:20 AM 7/6/05, you wrote:

At 02:11 AM 7/6/2005, Doug W7FDF wrote:
 Problem resolved!!I disconnected the Linksys BEFW11S4 wireless
 router power source for about 30 seconds, reattached the power and
 then checked the QRZ website again.all is OK now. This has
 happened
 before where strange things happen while surfing the internet so

Mine does this about once a week. No big deal.
I've thought about setting it on an appliance timer, set for 04:00
since I'm almost always in bed by then.

See if Linksys has a new firmware load for your unit.  A client's
site had that problem and a firmware upgrade fixed it.

Mike WA6ILQ





 
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[Repeater-Builder] db-4062 duplexer

2005-07-06 Thread ka9fer
hi all, seems i'm trying to get a db 4062 duplexer to work also i have 
the tuning info however its the 'c' model and i would like to make it 
a 'b' model, which meens i suppose the cable harness lengths are longer 
and one set of loops is longer...i've tried to get the info from DB 
SPECTRA but not much luck. i think i can interpolate the loops ok but 
was hoping someone could provide the cable harness lengths from tip to 
tip of the n connectors..thanks in advance...bk






 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! (slight digression)

2005-07-06 Thread Ken Arck
At 02:35 AM 7/6/2005 -0700, you wrote:

Over 30 years ago, when Standard introduced the first japanese mobile
radios to the USA, the model 806 and 826, some of the users of the
146.82 system were being heard by the Torrance (one of the 86
communities that make up Los Angeles county) police department
dispatcher.

---Hah! I remember this well. Back when Standard sponsored the 146.37/97
machine on PV and Roland whats-his-name was the voice of Standard in the
local ham community!

A very good friend of mine (also a ham) was a Detective with TPD and I
remember the fun and games you describe as they tried to work through the
problem.

A, how I miss the repeater wars of the 70's too... g

Ken
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! (slight digression)

2005-07-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I had a Standard 826 back in the mid-70's. On one trip to the San Francisco Bay 
Area, we were pulled over by the Police while talking on the 146.85 Repeater. 
We were asking for some directions to a ham gathering, and we were giving 
detailed descriptions of where we were at the time. It was easy for the Police 
to find us to pull us over - they were hearing everything we said!  We quickly 
found out about the Standard 826 transmit problem.

LJ



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From: Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Jul 6, 2005 6:57 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! (slight 
digression)

At 02:35 AM 7/6/2005 -0700, you wrote:

Over 30 years ago, when Standard introduced the first japanese mobile
radios to the USA, the model 806 and 826, some of the users of the
146.82 system were being heard by the Torrance (one of the 86
communities that make up Los Angeles county) police department
dispatcher.

---Hah! I remember this well. Back when Standard sponsored the 146.37/97
machine on PV and Roland whats-his-name was the voice of Standard in the
local ham community!

A very good friend of mine (also a ham) was a Detective with TPD and I
remember the fun and games you describe as they tried to work through the
problem.

A, how I miss the repeater wars of the 70's too... g

Ken
--
President and CTO - Arcom Communications
Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories.
http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html
We offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages!
AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000
http://www.irlp.net




 
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[Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Mathew Quaife
Ok, something new has been discovered this morning, while going back 
to the repeater for further testing.  I turned on the SM to get ready 
to check a few things, while set to 132.950 the squelch on the SM was 
open I could hear a pulsing noise.  I then went to the output of the 
repeater, I could hear the same thing.  This same noise has been heard 
on the output of the repeater on certain radios, kind of sounds like a 
warbly sound, led to always believe it was the audio delay board, so I 
ignored it, non of the users ever commented on it.  The repeater was 
not transmitting at the time.  I reached in an unplugged the delay 
board and noise is still there.  I powered down the transmitter, no 
changes, I powered down the Mastr Pro receiver, noise still there, 
only thing left was the cat controller, powered it down and noise is 
gone.  This noise was heard over a large frequency spread in the 
aircraft band on the SM.  Could it be possible that the controller 
could be the cause sending havac out the band.

Mathew







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Dave VanHorn

I powered down the Mastr Pro receiver, noise still there,
only thing left was the cat controller, powered it down and noise is
gone.  This noise was heard over a large frequency spread in the
aircraft band on the SM.  Could it be possible that the controller
could be the cause sending havac out the band.

If it's radiating enough to get out any distance, there's something 
SERIOUSLY wrong with it.
I'd consider this possible, but unlikely.

It might make it into your receiver though, if the CPU clock has the 
right harmonics.
Those oscillators are nowhere near the stability of the ones that we 
use for RF either, they will be FM'd by load, and what the processor 
is doing at the moment..

You can probably alter the xtal frequency just a bit, enough to get 
out of your receiver, but not enough to bother anything else, by 
changing one of the two caps that will be located very close to the 
crystal. 10-30pF normal value range.  MFJ had this in one or more of 
their TNCs, for the same problem.
1, 2, 4, 8, and 16 MHz are all popular uP clocks, and all have 
harmonics that end up on the bottom end of the 2M band.
In the case of 1 and 2M, the harmonics would be at 144, 146, 148, and 
144, 145, 146, 147, 148-ish, but I doubt the 1MHz rock would have 
harmonics up that high.





 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Digest Number 3218

2005-07-06 Thread Doug W7FDF
Well, wellNeal Newman KA2CAF! When I saw your name then saw your
[typo] callsign at the end of your comments.I said, I know this
Dude!!!. Anyway thanks Neal, I will review the URL you enclosed on the
Sophos antivirus stuff. I believe you and I had some email contact a
couple of years agoyes? I went to the QRZ website [now that its
working] and read your Bio and remembered [from the past emails] you had
gotten married and now live out in W2.5 Land [New
Jersey]chuckle-chuckle-chuckle.

How've you been? If you have the time email me direct at:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
FYI: the old callsign back in our repeater/Remotebase/mobile tirades and
all sorts of crazy Ham activity during the early 1980's was
WA2NCBremember? Out of the Queens, NY area?

Enough ranting already.I gotta go to work, earn some money so I can
buy more Ham toys!. FYI: I have three repeaters up and running here in
the area Neal. Go to: http://www.artscipub.com/repeaters/ and plug in my
callsign for the info...73

Doug Fitts W7FDF
Vail, Arizona
PS: In your Bio you say, I am sorry to say that I,m a Union Electrician
in NYC I.B.E.W local # 3. Don't be sorry Neal...be PROUD! I am a
Teamsters member here in southern Arizona [local 104]. We can talk abt
that later, if you like.

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 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Digest Number 3218

Message: 9 
From: Neal Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Re: QRZ Database

Doug
 Run a Virus scanner  like SOPHOS
Mcafee and Norton wont find all trojans.. sophos will
 free trial at www.sophos.com
 sounds like your Router is getting flooded by a trojan
 I was getting the same thing had to unplug the router to clear the
flooding
NEAL-ka2acf


Doug W7FDF wrote:

Problem resolved!!I disconnected the Linksys BEFW11S4 wireless 
router power source for about 30 seconds, reattached the power and
then checked the QRZ website again.all is OK now. This has
happened 
before where strange things happen while surfing the internet so

Back to surfing.

Doug W7FDF







 
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[Repeater-Builder] 6 M Gain Antenna

2005-07-06 Thread Walter Wenzel
Does anyone have a suggestion for a good 6m repeater antenna from some 
one that is still able to supply one?  All I can seem to find is unity 
gain antennae.  Looking to put a 6M repeater back on the air as soon 
as we can get antennae for a split site.  We will be running RCA 
radios.

Walter, KA2RGI






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Bob Dengler
At 7/6/2005 02:35 AM, you wrote:
Comments mixed into the text below...

Mike WA6ILQ

At 07:58 PM 7/5/05, you wrote:

 Mathew,
 
 The Maggiore EV-1 is a very basic, crystal-controlled exciter that has none
 of the filters, power control, or SWR protection features of commercial
 units.  I have one that I took off the air because of its tendency to
 produce spurs.  It is perhaps not a good idea to use a relatively unstable
 exciter to feed a 200 watt (!) power amplifier, which itself may not have
 all of the controls and protections of a commercial amplifier.  I've never
 heard of Vocom, so I don't know where it falls in the quality lineup.
 
 I find it interesting that the fundamental frequency of your exciter,
 12.1175 MHz, when mixed with your output frequency of 145.410 MHz, produces
 a product at 133.2925 MHz.  This product is in the aviation band and could
 be slope-detected with ease by an AM aircraft radio on a nearby frequency.
 I'm not suggesting that this is the cause, but it's a coincidence.

Having a look at 157.5275, which is 12.1175 above his output would be
interesting.

Right; I got my math screwed up somehow  wrote 157.87 in a previous 
message, which was incorrect.

BTW, it's too bad they don't let us listen with our HTs on airplanes, as I 
could have listened for the spur myself last Sunday flying home from MDW.

Bob NO6B






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Bob Dengler
At 7/6/2005 07:37 AM, you wrote:
Ok, something new has been discovered this morning, while going back
to the repeater for further testing.  I turned on the SM to get ready
to check a few things, while set to 132.950 the squelch on the SM was
open I could hear a pulsing noise.  I then went to the output of the
repeater, I could hear the same thing.  This same noise has been heard
on the output of the repeater on certain radios, kind of sounds like a
warbly sound, led to always believe it was the audio delay board, so I
ignored it, non of the users ever commented on it.  The repeater was
not transmitting at the time.  I reached in an unplugged the delay
board and noise is still there.  I powered down the transmitter, no
changes, I powered down the Mastr Pro receiver, noise still there,
only thing left was the cat controller, powered it down and noise is
gone.  This noise was heard over a large frequency spread in the
aircraft band on the SM.  Could it be possible that the controller
could be the cause sending havac out the band.

Mathew

Can you manually key your TX with the controller unpowered  check for the 
spur on the S.A.?

Bob NO6B






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 M Gain Antenna

2005-07-06 Thread steve
Hi

have you considered maybe a tri band ant, ie 2,70cm and 6mtrs. Gain on 6mtrs
is about 3dB. Here in the UK I use a Moonraker tri band, works fine

73

Steve M1SWB
- Original Message -
From: Walter Wenzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 5:59 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 6 M Gain Antenna


 Does anyone have a suggestion for a good 6m repeater antenna from some
 one that is still able to supply one?  All I can seem to find is unity
 gain antennae.  Looking to put a 6M repeater back on the air as soon
 as we can get antennae for a split site.  We will be running RCA
 radios.

 Walter, KA2RGI







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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 M Gain Antenna

2005-07-06 Thread Russ Stafford
Sinclair makes two one with a 3 dbd gain
You should be able to get Cook Tower phone number off the repeater builder 
web page they have both in stock. I bought one from them back in the fall 
and it work very well.

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 Does anyone have a suggestion for a good 6m repeater antenna from some
 one that is still able to supply one?  All I can seem to find is unity
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 as we can get antennae for a split site.  We will be running RCA
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread n9eerptr
One note...are they hearing your RF or are they hearing someones 
aviation radio rebroadcasting your repeater.  Had similar problem 
here in Tamps Bay, FL few years back. The FCc sent sitations to 5 
users who ID'd.

I would listen on the aviation freq close to your site to determine 
if you are emitting a spur just to make sure.

FCC will shut you down until it is determined it was not you 
directly or if a problem it is solved.  The FCC take the easy and 
safe approach when it comes to FAA.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 M Gain Antenna

2005-07-06 Thread Matt Beasant
Beware, all the antenna adverts I see in the UK mags quote dBi !!!  3dBi 
gain over a dipole is not worth mentioning!

When you consider that the folded dipoles I have on my repeater are almost 8 
feet long, compare that with your tribander - you aint gonna get any gain 
without the extra length IMHO.

Matt
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Hi

have you considered maybe a tri band ant, ie 2,70cm and 6mtrs. Gain on 6mtrs
is about 3dB. Here in the UK I use a Moonraker tri band, works fine

73

Steve M1SWB
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread mch
No - 157.870 IS the correct mix to combine with 145.410 and end up on
132.950 MHz - do the math again. The difference is 12.460 MHz.

145.410 - 12.46 = 132.950
145.410 + 12.46 = 157.870

Joe M.

Bob Dengler wrote:
 
 At 7/6/2005 02:35 AM, you wrote:
 Having a look at 157.5275, which is 12.1175 above his output would be
 interesting.
 
 Right; I got my math screwed up somehow  wrote 157.87 in a previous
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 M Gain Antenna

2005-07-06 Thread Steve
Hi

well 3dB is double the power 6dB is 4 times etc, etc
So in theory 20w into ant = 40w ERP
Yes I know 50Mhz folded dipoles are big. I was toying with making one, but
never did

73

Steve M1SWB
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 Beware, all the antenna adverts I see in the UK mags quote dBi !!!  3dBi
 gain over a dipole is not worth mentioning!

 When you consider that the folded dipoles I have on my repeater are almost
8
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 Matt
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 have you considered maybe a tri band ant, ie 2,70cm and 6mtrs. Gain on
6mtrs
 is about 3dB. Here in the UK I use a Moonraker tri band, works fine

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 Steve M1SWB
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Bob Dengler
At 7/6/2005 12:26 PM, you wrote:
No - 157.870 IS the correct mix to combine with 145.410 and end up on
132.950 MHz - do the math again. The difference is 12.460 MHz.

145.410 - 12.46 = 132.950
145.410 + 12.46 = 157.870

Joe M.

OK, 12.46 is the difference between the actual spur  Mathew's output,  
12.1175 is the xtal freq.  Since there doesn't appear to be a correlation 
between the 2, you're right in that 157.87 is the place to look.  Actually 
12.46 MHz would also be a good freq. to sniff around at, particularly if a 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 M Gain Antenna

2005-07-06 Thread Jim B.
Steve wrote:

 Hi
 
 well 3dB is double the power 6dB is 4 times etc, etc
 So in theory 20w into ant = 40w ERP
 Yes I know 50Mhz folded dipoles are big. I was toying with making one, but
 never did
 
 73
 
 Steve M1SWB

But dB is relative. And the dBi means that it is referenced to an 
isotropic source, where GOOD manufacturers reference a dipole. 3dBi is 
less then 1dBd (dB gain over a dipole). So that 3dB antenna is about the 
same as a regular dipole. That's the short answer anyway.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Dave VanHorn
At 02:47 PM 7/6/2005, Bob Dengler wrote:
At 7/6/2005 12:26 PM, you wrote:
 No - 157.870 IS the correct mix to combine with 145.410 and end up on
 132.950 MHz - do the math again. The difference is 12.460 MHz.
 
 145.410 - 12.46 = 132.950
 145.410 + 12.46 = 157.870
 
 Joe M.

OK, 12.46 is the difference between the actual spur  Mathew's output, 
12.1175 is the xtal freq.

It's in the neighborhood of 455kC off, but right on that.

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: 6 M Gain Antenna

2005-07-06 Thread Andrew
How about the gain diamond monobander. I believe it will handle up to 
500watts.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 M Gain Antenna

2005-07-06 Thread N9LLO




The DB probucts folded dipoles are good. Good job keeping the RCA stuff on the air!

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Mathew Quaife



Is the 12.46 that you are coming up with, the xtal inside of the transmitter itself. I'm looking, there is a repeater near here that is right around 158 megs, I'm looking it up now.

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Dave VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 M Gain Antenna

2005-07-06 Thread Bob Dengler
At 7/6/2005 12:51 PM, you wrote:
Steve wrote:

  Hi
 
  well 3dB is double the power 6dB is 4 times etc, etc
  So in theory 20w into ant = 40w ERP
  Yes I know 50Mhz folded dipoles are big. I was toying with making one, but
  never did
 
  73
 
  Steve M1SWB

But dB is relative. And the dBi means that it is referenced to an
isotropic source, where GOOD manufacturers reference a dipole.

Good manufacturers will simply indicate what the reference is (dBi or 
dBd).  Personally I prefer dBi because you don't have to add in the 2.12 dB 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Bob Dengler
At 7/6/2005 01:26 PM, you wrote:
Is the 12.46 that you are coming up with, the xtal inside of the 
transmitter itself.  I'm looking, there is a repeater near here that is 
right around 158 megs, I'm looking it up now.

Mathew

No, 12.46 MHz is the difference between your repeater output  the freq. 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Mathew Quaife



The repeater pair that is about 3 miles from here is, and I have not checked to see which way the offset is, but 153.920 and 158.820 is the pair given. 

Mathew
Bob Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 7/6/2005 12:26 PM, you wrote:No - 157.870 IS the correct mix to combine with 145.410 and end up on132.950 MHz - do the math again. The difference is 12.460 MHz.145.410 - 12.46 = 132.950145.410 + 12.46 = 157.870Joe M.OK, 12.46 is the difference between the actual spur  Mathew's output,  12.1175 is the xtal freq. Since there doesn't appear to be a correlation between the 2, you're right in that 157.87 is the place to look. Actually 12.46 MHz would also be a good freq. to sniff around at, particularly if a 157.87 spur is found.Bob NO6BYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Mathew Quaife



Ok, now I get where they came up with that. Was just trying to make the association. I've realigned the transmitter, checked everything that I can think of and still can be heard clipping on 132.950, bu then if I goto 133.075 I can hear the repeater real plain, as also another user that is about 3 miles from the repeater.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread mch
OK, 145.410 MHz. I should have read ALL the posts before asking that. Is
there anything in your area on 157.875 MHz? Those could mix to end up on
132.945 MHz. Same with something on 139.180 MHz, although that us much
less likely, I think.

What is your crystal frequency and multiplication factor? There could be
a lower harmonic causing the problem. The math doesn't seem to support
that, though.

Joe M.

mch wrote:
 
 What frequency is your repeater on?
 
 Joe M.
 
 Mathew Quaife wrote:
 
  Ok, the situation is that my repeater is being heard by commercial
  aircraft on 132.950 Mhz.  At first they was able to identify one user
  of the system, this was in June.  Then again the repeater was heard on
  June 22, this time stating they could hear several users on the system.
  The did not give any other specifics other than this.  This comes from
  Pilots whom reported the occurance with the FAA in Chicago.  I'm told
  the interference is only to the planes, and not the ground tower.
  I've looked at the transmitter on the SA, there is one small spur
  there, but this same spur is there if I use just an ht, or any other
  radio for that matter.  This is hooking it to the repeater antenna
  directly, or through the duplexer's.  My question is, could it be
  something in the antenna system, or where might I look.  My system
  consist of a DB224 retuned for the ham bands, up 92' fed with 7/8
  hardline.  There is two horizontal antenna's below the repeater
  antenna, a cushcraft 5 element 6 meter beam and a Hygain TH7 below
  that.  The tower is a guyed tower, with two sets of guys, one set at
  65' and the other at 35'.  There is no breaks in the 1/4 steel
  cables.  The deviation on the repeater into my SM only showed 4.5 to 5
  Khz wide, although the audio was tinny.  Over the past few days I have
  been working on the tinny audio, for which I believe I have fixed, as
  it sounds much better.  The transmitter is the Maggorie Hi Pro EV1 and
  the amplifier is a Vocom 200 watt amp.  90 Watts is what is being fed
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Mathew Quaife



The only frequency close to that anywhere in the are is the town's sewer repeater at 153.920 and 158.820. The output is 145.410 and the multiplication factor is by 12. 

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mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, 145.410 MHz. I should have read ALL the posts before asking that. Isthere anything in your area on 157.875 MHz? Those could mix to end up on132.945 MHz. Same with something on 139.180 MHz, although that us muchless likely, I think.What is your crystal frequency and multiplication factor? There could bea lower harmonic causing the problem. The math doesn't seem to supportthat, though.Joe M.mch wrote:  What frequency is your repeater on?  Joe M.  Mathew Quaife wrote:   Ok, the situation is that my repeater is being heard by commercial  aircraft on 132.950 Mhz. At first they was able to identify one user  of the system, this was in June. Then again the repeater was heard on  June 22, this time stating they could hear several users on
 the system.  The did not give any other specifics other than this. This comes from  Pilots whom reported the occurance with the FAA in Chicago. I'm told  the interference is only to the planes, and not the ground tower.  I've looked at the transmitter on the SA, there is one small spur  there, but this same spur is there if I use just an ht, or any other  radio for that matter. This is hooking it to the repeater antenna  directly, or through the duplexer's. My question is, could it be  something in the antenna system, or where might I look. My system  consist of a DB224 retuned for the ham bands, up 92' fed with 7/8"  hardline. There is two horizontal antenna's below the repeater  antenna, a cushcraft 5 element 6 meter beam and a Hygain TH7 below  that. The tower is a guyed tower, with two sets of guys, one set at  65' and the
 other at 35'. There is no breaks in the 1/4" steel  cables. The deviation on the repeater into my SM only showed 4.5 to 5  Khz wide, although the audio was tinny. Over the past few days I have  been working on the tinny audio, for which I believe I have fixed, as  it sounds much better. The transmitter is the Maggorie Hi Pro EV1 and  the amplifier is a Vocom 200 watt amp. 90 Watts is what is being fed  to the antenna from the duplexer.   MathewYahoo! Groups Links   Yahoo! Groups Links   Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread mch
12.46 is the difference if it's a mix. Look at the math I posted.

145.410 - 132.950 = 12.46

145.410 - 12.46 = 132.950
145.410 + 12.46 = 157.870

If it's mixing, the repeater would have to mix (well, the most likely
mix which is 2A-B) with 157.870 to end up on 132.950 MHz.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread mch
158.820 is too far away. That would mix to produce 133.000 MHz. You're
looking for something on 158.875 MHz which would mix to end up on
132.940 MHz, but that's close enough to hear on 95 if the frequencies
are a little off (145.41 is a little high and 158.875 is a little low).

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread mch
Ooops! I messed up the math. 15*8*.820 MHz is WAY too far away. That
would end up on 132.000 (not 133 MHz - that would be a mix with 157.820
MHz).

You're looking for something on 157.875 MHz, not 158.875 MHz as I stated
below. That is the input to an old IMTS pair, but it wasn't used in the
USA - only Canada. It may be used today for business.

Joe M.

mch wrote:
 
 158.820 is too far away. That would mix to produce 133.000 MHz. You're
 looking for something on 158.875 MHz which would mix to end up on
 132.940 MHz, but that's close enough to hear on 95 if the frequencies
 are a little off (145.41 is a little high and 158.875 is a little low).
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Mathew Quaife



Nothing in the area that I can find that is on that frequency. Will have to listen over then next few days.

Mathew
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158.820 is too far away. That would mix to produce 133.000 MHz. You'relooking for something on 158.875 MHz which would mix to end up on132.940 MHz, but that's close enough to hear on 95 if the frequenciesare a little off (145.41 is a little high and 158.875 is a little low).Joe M.Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 








  
  





  
  
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 M Gain Antenna

2005-07-06 Thread Burt Lang
Hi guys

With all this talk about 6m antennas, can I mention that I have a pair 
of Sinclair SRL-110 dipoles to dispose of.  They were used in a 
commercial system at 48/49 MHz.  I have not tested them at 52/53 MHz but 
the SRL-x10 series antennas are usually quite broadband.

The catch is that they are large and I don't want to ship them anywhere. 
  So pick-up only - near Montreal, Quebec.  If interested, contact me 
off-list.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 M Gain Antenna

2005-07-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Decibel Products or Sinclair. Serious antennas. Folded dipoles - but you'll 
need some tower.

Chuck
WB2EDV



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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 6 M Gain Antenna


 Does anyone have a suggestion for a good 6m repeater antenna from some
 one that is still able to supply one?  All I can seem to find is unity
 gain antennae.  Looking to put a 6M repeater back on the air as soon
 as we can get antennae for a split site.  We will be running RCA
 radios.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! (slight digression)

2005-07-06 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 06:57 AM 7/6/05, you wrote:

At 02:35 AM 7/6/2005 -0700, you wrote:

 Over 30 years ago, when Standard introduced the first japanese mobile
 radios to the USA, the model 806 and 826, some of the users of the
 146.82 system were being heard by the Torrance (one of the 86
 communities that make up Los Angeles county) police department
 dispatcher.

---Hah! I remember this well. Back when Standard sponsored the 146.37/97
machine on PV and Roland whats-his-name was the voice of Standard in the
local ham community!

Was it Roland Sammelman?

A very good friend of mine (also a ham) was a Detective with TPD and I
remember the fun and games you describe as they tried to work through the
problem.

Then there was the one particular W6 who just would not get his
radio adjusted... claimed that he didn't have a problem it
finally took a home visit by two Torrance uniformed officers and
one of the radio shop guys with the fix kit for him to see the light
of co-operation.

A, how I miss the repeater wars of the 70's too... g

How about Repeater Appreciation Week ?

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! (slight digression)

2005-07-06 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 07:08 AM 7/6/05, you wrote:

I had a Standard 826 back in the mid-70's. On one trip to the San 
Francisco Bay Area, we were pulled over by the Police while talking on the 
146.85 Repeater. We were asking for some directions to a ham gathering, 
and we were giving detailed descriptions of where we were at the time. It 
was easy for the Police to find us to pull us over - they were hearing 
everything we said!  We quickly found out about the Standard 826 transmit 
problem.

LJ

So what agency was using 154.375?  And are they still there?

Last I heard (about 10 years ago) Torrance PD still hears a ham
once in a while, but the dispatcher notes the call sign and they
give it to their radio tech who does the contacting.

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: 6 M gain antenna

2005-07-06 Thread Al Wolfe
Walter,
See if you can find a local two-way shop with an old low band antenna 
laying around. I found a two bay, 43 mhz unit for free. The 30 to 50 mhz 
band is being abandoned by many users for cell phones and 800 mhz stuff. 
Often the shops can't give away the equipment and have to pay to have it 
disposed of. Their loss can be hams gain.
The folded dipoles I got had telescoping sections swaged together. I 
sawed the end pieces off just after the junction. then sawed off the part 
where the joint was. After cleaning up the cut off u shaped with fine sand 
paper I cut a couple of slots in the larger section of the antenna about an 
inch deep. The u slipped in and a stainless hose clamp was put on over the 
slots.
Tuning was pretty easy, but tedious, with an SWR bridge. (with the new 
dipole side mounted on a tower a few feet off the ground) Once tuned the 
clamps were tightened. Maybe should have used two clamps each place but 
didn't. With the new antenna analyzers it would have been a much quicker 
tune up.
A phasing harness was built from RG-11 per any decent antenna book's 
formulae. The two dipoles take almost thirty feet of tower side and should 
approach 3 dbd (5.14 dbi) gain, plus a certain amount of diversity reception 
because of their difference in height.
Been using this contraption for about fifteen years. It will beat the 
sox off any fiberglass multiband oriental wonder and only cost some time.

73,
Al, K9SI


   Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:59:03 -
   From: Walter Wenzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: 6 M Gain Antenna

 Does anyone have a suggestion for a good 6m repeater antenna from some
 one that is still able to supply one?  All I can seem to find is unity
 gain antennae.  Looking to put a 6M repeater back on the air as soon
 as we can get antennae for a split site.  We will be running RCA
 radios.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! (slight digression)

2005-07-06 Thread Nate Duehr
Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote:

 How about Repeater Appreciation Week ?

We need to have another one of those around here... soon.  :-)

That or I'm going to take a Wouff Hong to someone's head the next time 
they say, Well, I'm not a member of the club, but I'd really like the 
club to __..

I've had three different hams say that EXACT wording to me recently when 
talking about one of the local club's repeater systems.

That's nice, come back when you're a member.  Or as a friend of mine 
puts it, Thank you... Drive through!

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread scomind





Hi Matthew,

  I powered down the Mastr Pro receiver, noise still 
  there,only thing left was the cat controller, powered it down and 
  noise isgone. This noise was heard over a large frequency spread 
  in theaircraft band on the SM. Could it be possible that the 
  controllercould be the cause sending havac out the band.
  
Yes!

RF created by the digital circuits in the controllercanhitch a 
ride on your PTT andaudio lines, where it 
getsinjectedintoan early stage in 
yourtransmitter.The noiseis multiplied (along with the 
desirable signal), amplified, andspewed out all over the spectrum.

Putagood sized ferrite bead oneach wireleaving 
thecontroller.

73,
Bob

Bob Schmid, 
WA9FBO, MemberS-COM, LLCPO Box 1546LaPorte CO 
80535-1546970-416-6505 voice970-419-3222 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 M Gain Antenna

2005-07-06 Thread Joe
Do you mean Ringo Ranger or Ringo Rangeless? ;-)

At 08:22 PM 7/6/2005 +0100, you wrote:
BTW I think Cushcraft make a 6m ringo ranger which is quite large so may not
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 M Gain Antenna

2005-07-06 Thread DCFluX
Ringo, Negitave.  --W3KKC

On 7/6/05, Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Do you mean Ringo Ranger or Ringo Rangeless? ;-)
 
 At 08:22 PM 7/6/2005 +0100, you wrote:
 BTW I think Cushcraft make a 6m ringo ranger which is quite large so may not
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 M Gain Antenna

2005-07-06 Thread Chuck Kelsey
The Ringo for 6 is a BAD choice for repeater use.

Chuck
WB2EDV




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 Do you mean Ringo Ranger or Ringo Rangeless? ;-)

 At 08:22 PM 7/6/2005 +0100, you wrote:
BTW I think Cushcraft make a 6m ringo ranger which is quite large so may 
not
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[Repeater-Builder] 6 meter repeater interference

2005-07-06 Thread Joe
Hello to All,

I just got a new neighbor at my 6 meter repeater site, a low power (30
watt) FM broadcast station on 94.9MHZ.  I now have low level
interference on my MastrII repeater input frequency.

As a simple troubleshooting tool, I thought about putting a low pass
filter on the receiver or the antenna connection to the duplexer. This
would attenuate any 94.9Mhz signal coming down the coax. My thoughts
are to take the low pass filter out of a MastrII PA, but I don't know
what the input impeadance to it is.  Does anyone know if the final PA
of a MasterII is 50 ohms into the low pass filter?  I belive that it
is, but not sure.

73, Joe, k1ike






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 meter repeater interference

2005-07-06 Thread DCFluX
You might have better luck with shorted coax stubs on the target
frequency with  tees to the feeder line and at both ends of the coax.

On 7/6/05, Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello to All,
 
 I just got a new neighbor at my 6 meter repeater site, a low power (30
 watt) FM broadcast station on 94.9MHZ.  I now have low level
 interference on my MastrII repeater input frequency.
 
 As a simple troubleshooting tool, I thought about putting a low pass
 filter on the receiver or the antenna connection to the duplexer. This
 would attenuate any 94.9Mhz signal coming down the coax. My thoughts
 are to take the low pass filter out of a MastrII PA, but I don't know
 what the input impeadance to it is.  Does anyone know if the final PA
 of a MasterII is 50 ohms into the low pass filter?  I belive that it
 is, but not sure.
 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Digest Number 3218

2005-07-06 Thread Mike Short
A little off topic, but what are you doing with the linux box? My linksys
has issues as well, and I have several old PC's around that I could turn in
to a router. 

Mike Short
WA7UNW
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Message: 8 
   Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 02:55:09 -0500
   From: Dave VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Re: QRZ Database

At 02:40 AM 7/6/2005, Steven Passmore, kf6fkk wrote:
My linksys used to stop working about once a week so I did exactly that.
The
timer shut it off for 1 minute at 4AM.  Eventually I dumped the stupid
linksys and am now using a linux box as a router. I haven't looked back
since.

It's on my todo list.
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Ron Wright




One thing to think about.

145.41/12 = 12.1175 MHz

12.1175 x 11 = 133.2925 MHz

It could be related to this as it is harmonic of the fundamental crystal freq. 
A low pass filter would not take this out. A band pass cavity might do the job if from your tx.

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[Repeater-Builder] Rx filter and shinwa radio prog help please

2005-07-06 Thread banjupb
Hi learned friends.
I have a few Qs that you may be able to help with.

One: Can a very good notch filter be made from coax stub as I need 
to make one for each of the Aust cb chs approx 500 kHz spacings for 
a portable repeater.
I am going to use a TX and an Rx feeder so I will not need a 
duplexer for each of the 8 repeater chs.
The idea is to add the stub to the Rx feeder as needed.
I will be using double shielded coax or may be some 1/2  hardline.

Two: I am looking for info on programming Shinwa 504g and 505g uhf 
and vhf Hand Helds.

Three: FS or trade brand new  HP aurora Tempo.
I purchased it because I was told I needed it to comply with a 
overseas contract and as I fund out later that was a lot B.S.  
Thanks
Brett







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] 6 meter repeater interference

2005-07-06 Thread Eric Lemmon
Joe,

Because the separation (about 45 MHz) is significant, you might consider
installing a cavity filter on your receiver input.  A less expensive
solution might be to order up a helical resonator filter from DCI.

Don't forget that the FM station operator has an obligation to not
interfere with other licensed stations, so he/she must step up to the
plate and be a part of the solution.  Write a letter to the station
manager explaining the interference problem, and ask for his/her
assistance in reaching a solution.  Don't wait to do this!

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

Joe wrote:

 I just got a new neighbor at my 6 meter repeater site, a low power (30
 watt) FM broadcast station on 94.9 MHz.  I now have low level
 interference on my MastrII repeater input frequency.

 As a simple troubleshooting tool, I thought about putting a low pass
 filter on the receiver or the antenna connection to the duplexer. This
 would attenuate any 94.9 MHz signal coming down the coax. My thoughts
 are to take the low pass filter out of a MastrII PA, but I don't know
 what the input impedance to it is.  Does anyone know if the final PA of
 a MasterII is 50 ohms into the low pass filter?  I believe that it is,
 but not sure.






 
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[Repeater-Builder] Motorola Saber Parts.

2005-07-06 Thread pikeco44




I'm looking information on Motorola Saber Modules . Looking for the Modules to Convert a Motorola Saber UHF 440-470 To a 490 - 512 MHz .Pleas let me know .

Thanks .

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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Digest Number 3218

2005-07-06 Thread Stew
Check out http://clarkconnect.com they offer a free firewall, router, web
server, ftp server, mail server and Samba file server package running under
Redhat Fedora Core 2. The is a GUI that makes it very easy to setup. I have
been running a Clarconnect Box for over a year and am very happy with it.
The main thing that makes it very nice you do not have to have a static ip
address on the Internet as Clackconnect will track and IP changes from you
ISP! All DNS entries can be made by the user with the GUI. You do not have
to wait for your ISP to get around to adding any information you might send
him!

As for the computer. I am running on a Pentium II 350m with 256m RAM and a
4g HD! So any old machine you can pick up will work. All that is required is
a registered domain name and that can be done through Clarkconnect.

Stew N4JSB
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Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Digest Number 3218

A little off topic, but what are you doing with the linux box? My linksys
has issues as well, and I have several old PC's around that I could turn in
to a router. 

Mike Short
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[Repeater-Builder] Thinking about a whole new repeater

2005-07-06 Thread Mathew Quaife
I'm looking for something to replace this repeater.  I'm not sure if 
it is the Vocom Amp, Antenna, Exciter or just plain messed up.  I'm 
told the GE Mastr II's are easy to convert.  How true is this.  Does 
any one have one lying around.  Or who has what available.  Must be 
price competative, as I've spent more than I should have.  I've been 
through this repeater a dozen times today, thought I had it cured, but 
then it starts back up with interference on 132.950, then I find if I 
goto 133.300 I can hear the repeater just as if it were on that 
frequency.  So I am at a lost here. It's like it is riding along 
something, every so often it gets bad, but then it disappears and is 
gone for awhile.

Mathew







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! (slight digression)

2005-07-06 Thread Ken Arck
At 02:57 PM 7/6/2005 -0700, you wrote:

Was it Roland Sammelman?

---I'm not really sure! I can't even remember his call :-). But he was
well-known at the time (and the 37/97 machine was hot property back in the
70's!).

Then there was the one particular W6 who just would not get his
radio adjusted... claimed that he didn't have a problem it
finally took a home visit by two Torrance uniformed officers and
one of the radio shop guys with the fix kit for him to see the light
of co-operation.

---Hmmm, I can think of several candidates who would have fit that profile
g. Although I never was much of a user of the 22/82 machine (I migrated
from 2 meters shortly after our infamous war with Dr0nk down in San Diego
and never looked back!).

How about Repeater Appreciation Week ?

---Always the eternal optomist, eh? g

Ken
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread mch
But the interference is to 132.950 MHz, not 132.2925 MHz.

The harmonic is about 657.5 kHz away!

Joe M.

From: Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 One thing to think about.
  
 145.41/12 = 12.1175 MHz
  
 12.1175 x 11 = 133.2925 MHz
  
 It could be related to this as it is harmonic of the fundamental
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Saber Parts.

2005-07-06 Thread Charles Miller
Steve,

In order for you to do this it will more than a new radio. The Synthesizer
alone will cost over $500.00. Are you sure you want to do this?

Charles Miller

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 I'm looking information on Motorola Saber Modules . Looking for the
Modules
 to Convert a Motorola Saber UHF 440-470 To a 490 - 512 MHz .Pleas let me
know .

 Thanks .

 Steve .







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Thinking about a whole new repeater (spurs)

2005-07-06 Thread James
I had several problems with my maggiore exciter on 220, and others I 
have gotten to work on that were on 144. Have you tried running another 
radio into the amp and see if it is there?? Have you tried listening on 
a different radio to see if more than one unit see the spur?? Have you 
tried running the repeater barefoot (no amp) and see what you get?? 
Have you tried a different exciter without the amp??  If you still get 
the spur, replacing the repeater will not help you.  I would suggest 
that you try a circulator on the output of the amp into a good set of 
band pass / band reject type cavities. If that does not work, I would 
not be looking at your repeater, but maybe a mix in someone elses PA, or 
maybe something else around the site.  I have been through this kind of 
thing before, but it was part 15 devices causing my problems.

James

Mathew Quaife wrote:

I'm looking for something to replace this repeater.  I'm not sure if 
it is the Vocom Amp, Antenna, Exciter or just plain messed up.  I'm 
told the GE Mastr II's are easy to convert.  How true is this.  Does 
any one have one lying around.  Or who has what available.  Must be 
price competative, as I've spent more than I should have.  I've been 
through this repeater a dozen times today, thought I had it cured, but 
then it starts back up with interference on 132.950, then I find if I 
goto 133.300 I can hear the repeater just as if it were on that 
frequency.  So I am at a lost here. It's like it is riding along 
something, every so often it gets bad, but then it disappears and is 
gone for awhile.

Mathew







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Thinking about a whole new repeater

2005-07-06 Thread Dave VanHorn

I'm not opposed to coming up there.
I have some personal business to take care of tomorrow, and a 
committment on friday, but after that I think I'm free. We should be 
able to run it down pretty quick, at least to pin down what's causing 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola phone patch model L1159A

2005-07-06 Thread rrath
Sorry folks, I dropped the ball. Busy with setting up and other 
repeater here in the area and forgot all about it. I will send the book 
to Mike, WA6ILQ, to scan it for the group. Mike what is your snail 
mail address? Email me direct. 

Rod KC7VQR




Hi Gang, did this thing ever get scanned if so where is it?
Thanks
AC0Y


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris WA6ILQ 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If anyone has a IAI manual and wants to loan it out to be scanned,
 or can scan it themselves, repeater-builder will be happy to 
provide
 a place for the PDF.
 
 Mike WA6ILQ
 
 At 08:39 AM 5/17/05, you wrote:
 
  I have a L1158A patch, also made by IAI, and no info on it. 
It has two
 modular phone cords coming out of it as well as a cord marked 
radio. It was
 once hooked to a low-band Micor base station. There is also a 
wall-wart
 attached. If anyone comes up with any info I'd like to know as 
well.
 
 73 and thanks,
 Al, K9SI






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Bob Dengler
At 7/6/2005 01:31 PM, you wrote:
The repeater pair that is about 3 miles from here is, and I have not 
checked to see which way the offset is, but 153.920 and 158.820 is the 
pair given.

Mathew

Doesn't sound like that has anything to do with the problem.  If you can 
see the spur coming out of your exciter on the S.A., the problem lies 
somewhere in your system.

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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Mathew Quaife



It is very weird, all evening I have been working with the repeater, and what ever it is, it is very inttermittant, because it will come and go, and there is no pattern for it. I just learned of that pair, but it is the only pair that is close to me that I know of. 

Mathew
Bob Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 7/6/2005 01:31 PM, you wrote:The repeater pair that is about 3 miles from here is, and I have not checked to see which way the offset is, but 153.920 and 158.820 is the pair given.MathewDoesn't sound like that has anything to do with the problem. If you can see the spur coming out of your exciter on the S.A., the problem lies somewhere in your system.Bob NO6BYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/__Do You
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola phone patch model L1159A

2005-07-06 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
I no longer have a functioning scanner - the long thin
(pencil-diameter) scan light on my Scanjet 3 burned
out about a couple of months ago and those lamps
are pure unobtanium.

And being unemployed, I have no money for new toys.
Can someone else scan it and send me the file?
If so, contact Rod for the book.

And if anyone knows of a computer networking
position in southern california, let me know.

Mike WA6ILQ


At 09:30 PM 7/6/05, you wrote:

Sorry folks, I dropped the ball. Busy with setting up and other
repeater here in the area and forgot all about it. I will send the book
to Mike, WA6ILQ, to scan it for the group. Mike what is your snail
mail address? Email me direct.

Rod KC7VQR




Hi Gang, did this thing ever get scanned if so where is it?
Thanks
AC0Y


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris WA6ILQ
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If anyone has a IAI manual and wants to loan it out to be scanned,
  or can scan it themselves, repeater-builder will be happy to
provide
  a place for the PDF.
 
  Mike WA6ILQ
 
  At 08:39 AM 5/17/05, you wrote:
 
   I have a L1158A patch, also made by IAI, and no info on it.
It has two
  modular phone cords coming out of it as well as a cord marked
radio. It was
  once hooked to a low-band Micor base station. There is also a
wall-wart
  attached. If anyone comes up with any info I'd like to know as
well.
  
  73 and thanks,
  Al, K9SI







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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater heard on Aviation Channel! HELP

2005-07-06 Thread Mike/k1eg





Mathew you said this problem started when you 
changed the antenna. Did you cut back on the feedline and use a new 
connector? Awhile back there was discussion on here about problems if you 
don't use a new connector. Just a thought hope it helps.

73
Mike/K1EG


  - Original Message - 
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  heard on Aviation Channel! HELP
  
  It is very weird, all evening I have been working with the repeater, and 
  what ever it is, it is very inttermittant, because it will come and go, and 
  there is no pattern for it. I just learned of that pair, but it is the 
  only pair that is close to me that I know of. 
  
  Mathew
  Bob Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  At 
7/6/2005 01:31 PM, you wrote:The repeater pair that is about 3 miles 
from here is, and I have not checked to see which way the offset is, 
but 153.920 and 158.820 is the pair 
given.MathewDoesn't sound like that has anything to 
do with the problem. If you can see the spur coming out of your exciter 
on the S.A., the problem lies somewhere in your system.Bob 
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