Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
On Mar 13, 2010, at 1:35 AM, Kris Kirby wrote: Don't forget that a public safety radio system and a Japanese ham protocol are two different things. The Japanese language is ideological, English is something else. We don't think the same, or implement things the same ways. That's one of the mildly interesting things about TRBO, it's not a Public Safety system. It's commercial, but rarely used in Public Safety... Perhaps what you're saying (paraphrased here) is MotoTRBO is D-STAR done by Americans.? LOL... that'll get me in trouble, I'm sure. That being said, if you've ever needed or wanted just work, you know how important that is. It's probably what's been lacking in almost every ARES plan. I ain't touchin' that comment with a ten foot pole. -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sorta OT: Looking for a couple of items
At 09:40 PM 3/13/2010, skipp025 wrote: Now who in their right mind would have that kind of stuff Ken? ---You kidding? One of the most reliable, best performing repeaters I run is a Quintron UHF one I bought new, in the crate, in the mid-80's. And it's still going strong! Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
On Sun, 14 Mar 2010, Nate Duehr wrote: That's one of the mildly interesting things about TRBO, it's not a Public Safety system. It's commercial, but rarely used in Public Safety... Perhaps what you're saying (paraphrased here) is MotoTRBO is D-STAR done by Americans.? LOL... that'll get me in trouble, I'm sure. D-STAR requires too much work to be effective at message passing for any one except for the technically inclined who like to push buttons. It is trunking radio, minus the control channel, and all of the functions performed by the control channel are delegated to the user. MotoTRBO would be akin to an LTR system, or another trunking system, with the built-in capability for handling high-speed data. High speed as in 9600 bps, not 100-200 bps. If there is one thing that seems certain in the PS arena, it is that Motorola is trying to sell every solution except something APCO-25 compliant, and attempting to confuse thier customers into purchasing systems which are not. Not to say that they have bad ideas -- MotoTRBO brings in the experience of iDen to two-way radio, but the FCC pushing for more narrow-banded technologies, not dual channel solutions. Am I fully OT or not? If so, I'll STFU. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
Kris, Mototrbo is not DStar and DStar only has one voice path. Just to add some confussion to the mix, There are many public safety agencies using Mototrbo and love it. Mike Mullarkey K7PFJ 6886 Sage Ave Firestone, CO 80504 303-736-9693 k7...@skybeam.com On Mar 14, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Kris Kirby wrote: On Sun, 14 Mar 2010, Nate Duehr wrote: That's one of the mildly interesting things about TRBO, it's not a Public Safety system. It's commercial, but rarely used in Public Safety... Perhaps what you're saying (paraphrased here) is MotoTRBO is D-STAR done by Americans.? LOL... that'll get me in trouble, I'm sure. D-STAR requires too much work to be effective at message passing for any one except for the technically inclined who like to push buttons. It is trunking radio, minus the control channel, and all of the functions performed by the control channel are delegated to the user. MotoTRBO would be akin to an LTR system, or another trunking system, with the built-in capability for handling high-speed data. High speed as in 9600 bps, not 100-200 bps. If there is one thing that seems certain in the PS arena, it is that Motorola is trying to sell every solution except something APCO-25 compliant, and attempting to confuse thier customers into purchasing systems which are not. Not to say that they have bad ideas -- MotoTRBO brings in the experience of iDen to two-way radio, but the FCC pushing for more narrow-banded technologies, not dual channel solutions. Am I fully OT or not? If so, I'll STFU. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
On Mar 14, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Kris Kirby wrote: If there is one thing that seems certain in the PS arena, it is that Motorola is trying to sell every solution except something APCO-25 compliant, and attempting to confuse thier customers into purchasing systems which are not. Actually around here they've sold hundreds, if not a couple thousand P-25 rigs too. Another fun side note a friend pointed out the other day... they'll sell low-grade encryption for them for $8/radio that's 100% proprietary... so if you mix those radios with another manufacturer's, you can't run encrypted to each other. High-grade encryption (standardized by P-25 standards) is hundreds of dollars per rig. Cute trick. Hey not saying they're not pushing the other stuff too, but they'll sell anything... they're Motorola... (GRIN)... the 800 lb Gorilla is selling both P-25 and their own stuff, of course. :-) :-) :-) A rich, competitive marketplace -- that tries to work around every possible inter-manufactuerer standard ever devised... same as it ever was... -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
On Mar 14, 2010, at 2:49 PM, k7pfj wrote: Just to add some confussion to the mix, There are many public safety agencies using Mototrbo and love it. Not to mention blowing any chance of their radios interoperating with the County next door... Tower of Babel. Build it to the sky. That's the end-game, right? :-) -- Nate Duehr, WY0X n...@natetech.com
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Sorta OT: Looking for a couple of items
Ken Arck ah...@... wrote: ---You kidding? One of the most reliable, best performing repeaters I run is a Quintron UHF one I bought new, in the crate, in the mid-80's. And it's still going strong! Ken Nope, I wasn't kidding... of course you silly goose I was kidding and referring to the fact that I probably have more vintage odd stuff that most people on this Group so you should have Emailed me first. I was a factory trained Quintron Field Technical Rep in the 80's, which for you means I have probably every Quintron and most Glenayre Manuals, which also means you can probably get a copy of what you need from me... and you did Email me direct so I'll be looking through my collection. I clearly know how well designed and constructed Quintron Glenayre Equipment is... and... I have a few Quintron 900 MHz paging transmitter items in my collection I would happily give to a sincere and proper home. Pick up from The Greater Sacramento Area (kind of a oxymoron) or enough of a desire to pay shipping on some of the heavier items and they could be yours for free or the price of a Dayton Brat/Braut. You'd be helping me along my 12 Step Junk Enders Program. cheers, skipp skipp025 at yahoo.com [I guess I'm going to have to include diagrams with my posts] :-) At 09:40 PM 3/13/2010, skipp025 wrote: Now who in their right mind would have that kind of stuff Ken?
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sorta OT: Looking for a couple of items
Skipp, You wouldn't happen to have an old 900 MHz analog paging exciter laying around, would you? I still have a complete Glenayre paging station that is digital - would like to find an analog exciter to see if I could cobble up a 900 repeater out of it. Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of skipp025 Ken Arck ah...@... wrote: ---You kidding? One of the most reliable, best performing repeaters I run is a Quintron UHF one I bought new, in the crate, in the mid-80's. And it's still going strong! Ken Nope, I wasn't kidding... of course you silly goose I was kidding and referring to the fact that I probably have more vintage odd stuff that most people on this Group so you should have Emailed me first. I was a factory trained Quintron Field Technical Rep in the 80's, which for you means I have probably every Quintron and most Glenayre Manuals, which also means you can probably get a copy of what you need from me... and you did Email me direct so I'll be looking through my collection. I clearly know how well designed and constructed Quintron Glenayre Equipment is... and... I have a few Quintron 900 MHz paging transmitter items in my collection I would happily give to a sincere and proper home. Pick up from The Greater Sacramento Area (kind of a oxymoron) or enough of a desire to pay shipping on some of the heavier items and they could be yours for free or the price of a Dayton Brat/Braut. You'd be helping me along my 12 Step Junk Enders Program. cheers, skipp skipp025 at yahoo.com [I guess I'm going to have to include diagrams with my posts] :-) At 09:40 PM 3/13/2010, skipp025 wrote: Now who in their right mind would have that kind of stuff Ken?
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sorta OT: Looking for a couple of items
I just turned down a few of these about 6 months ago. Too bad. The problem with the Glenayre exciter is trying to figure out how to program it to the ham bands. There is a company in Illinois that still fixes Quintron/Glenayre stuff, I think they could program one for you. There is one on eBay right now. I maintained a 900MHz Glenarye digital simulcast system here in Connecticut years ago and played with the analog mode, it worked nice. My boss used to listen to the paging channel on a scanner. I used to freak him out with all kinds of sounds and audio on the 900MHz channel. It was fun. 73, Joe, K1ike Mark wrote: Skipp, You wouldn't happen to have an old 900 MHz analog paging exciter laying around, would you? I still have a complete Glenayre paging station that is digital - would like to find an analog exciter to see if I could cobble up a 900 repeater out of it. Mark - N9WYS
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Sorta OT: Looking for a couple of items
Mark n9...@... wrote: Skipp, You wouldn't happen to have an old 900 MHz analog paging exciter laying around, would you? I still have a complete Glenayre paging station that is digital - would like to find an analog exciter to see if I could cobble up a 900 repeater out of it. Mark - N9WYS I'll look and if I do you can have it... Email me direct in a few days to check the status (give me a reminder). s. -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of skipp025 Ken Arck ah6le@ wrote: ---You kidding? One of the most reliable, best performing repeaters I run is a Quintron UHF one I bought new, in the crate, in the mid-80's. And it's still going strong! Ken Nope, I wasn't kidding... of course you silly goose I was kidding and referring to the fact that I probably have more vintage odd stuff that most people on this Group so you should have Emailed me first. I was a factory trained Quintron Field Technical Rep in the 80's, which for you means I have probably every Quintron and most Glenayre Manuals, which also means you can probably get a copy of what you need from me... and you did Email me direct so I'll be looking through my collection. I clearly know how well designed and constructed Quintron Glenayre Equipment is... and... I have a few Quintron 900 MHz paging transmitter items in my collection I would happily give to a sincere and proper home. Pick up from The Greater Sacramento Area (kind of a oxymoron) or enough of a desire to pay shipping on some of the heavier items and they could be yours for free or the price of a Dayton Brat/Braut. You'd be helping me along my 12 Step Junk Enders Program. cheers, skipp skipp025 at yahoo.com [I guess I'm going to have to include diagrams with my posts] :-) At 09:40 PM 3/13/2010, skipp025 wrote: Now who in their right mind would have that kind of stuff Ken?
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sorta OT: Looking for a couple of items
The problem with the Glenayre exciter is trying to figure out how to program it to the ham bands. There is a company in Illinois that still fixes Quintron/Glenayre stuff, I think they could program one for you. There is one on eBay right now. I maintained a 900MHz Glenarye digital simulcast system here in Connecticut years ago and played with the analog mode, it worked nice. My boss used to listen to the paging channel on a scanner. I used to freak him out with all kinds of sounds and audio on the 900MHz channel. It was fun. 73, Joe, K1ike Which exciter? The universal exciter? I figured out the programming for those if you need it. I even made an easy-to-use Excel spreadsheet for calculating the values for the PROM. I think it's on the AR902mhz Yahoo group site, if not let me know and I can email it to you (assuming I can find it). By the way, most of the time only the first channel of the PROM has been programmed at the factory, the rest of the bits in the bipolar PROM are FF's (un-fused). As such, you can write new data into the un-programmed memory space, no need to buy a new PROM. --- Jeff WN3A
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sorta OT: Looking for a couple of items
How do these transmitters play at crowded sites? I've heard some accounts of broadband noise problems for other tenants when high-power Glenayre equipment went in... 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Joe To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sorta OT: Looking for a couple of items I maintained a 900MHz Glenarye digital simulcast system here in Connecticut years ago and played with the analog mode, it worked nice...
[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: If you are a Windows XP or 2000 user you might find this interesting...
good article kudos for that people are dropping 400 dollars for the solid state drives needless to say vista is nanny software at the point where xp 32 or 64 becomes more trouble than it is worth that will be the point where i buy new hardware and a new op its amazing how many people have hardware that was never backward or forward compatible or upgradeable 400k sectors and a translation to 512k sectors sounds like the ram hard drives to me --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris WA6ILQ wa6...@... wrote: The hard drive manufacturers are changing the native drive sector size... industry wide. Since XP and 2000 are frozen (no more major updates) they are going to take a performance hit. See http://www.dailytech.com/HDD+Makers+Adopt+Improved+Storage+Format+Windows+XP+Users+Beware/article17869.htm A lot of the comments at the bottom go off on tangents, but the article at the top is worth reading. Mike WA6ILQ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT: If you are a Windows XP or 2000 user you might find this interesting...
That is 512 bytes / sector = 4096 bytes / sector. At 04:30 3/15/2010 +, you wrote: good article kudos for that people are dropping 400 dollars for the solid state drives needless to say vista is nanny software at the point where xp 32 or 64 becomes more trouble than it is worth that will be the point where i buy new hardware and a new op its amazing how many people have hardware that was never backward or forward compatible or upgradeable 400k sectors and a translation to 512k sectors sounds like the ram hard drives to me --- In mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.comRepeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris WA6ILQ wa6...@... wrote: The hard drive manufacturers are changing the native drive sector size... industry wide. Since XP and 2000 are frozen (no more major updates) they are going to take a performance hit. See http://www.dailytech.com/HDD+Makers+Adopt+Improved+Storage+Format+Windows+XP+Users+Beware/article17869.htmhttp://www.dailytech.com/HDD+Makers+Adopt+Improved+Storage+Format+Windows+XP+Users+Beware/article17869.htm A lot of the comments at the bottom go off on tangents, but the article at the top is worth reading. Mike WA6ILQ
[Repeater-Builder] spare parts for TAIT repeater
Hi all! I need a replacement transformer for a power supply used in a TAIT T800 UHF repeater. The part number on the transformer is *T4079.* Checking the power supply schematics and the Web, it seems that this is a mains (115/230V) - 5VA 18V transformer. Does anyone know where I can get a replacement? cheers, Andreas - 5B8AP
