Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911
I think that your experience is the exception. I know that the analog service here in Connecticut has been shut off. That means that an analog phone cannot even find a setup channel (that's what gives you an IN SERVICE indication). Without setting up on the system you cannot originate a call. Some rural carriers may still have analog 800Mhz turned on, but I wouldn't count on it for long. I don't know what kind of indication the 911 PSAP center gets when an unregistered phone dials 911. I don't know how much credibility they would give to the call. I'll be working in a PSAP sometime in the next week and I'll bring my old Nextel phone along and test it and ask some questions. As far as I know, a cellphone must have been activated at least once to make them capable of dialing 911 without paying for service. 73, Joe, K1ike Facility 406 DM09 wrote: So far, all old analog cell phones I have picked up dial 911 without paid service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911
There are devices that provide an RJ-11 jack to interface POTS phones with cell phones. This would permit you to just plug your autopatch into the device. A web search will find these. They range from high end multi-line devices to those in the $100 to $200 price range. This is a link that shows some of the lower end items. I am sure that there are more out there and there may be better ones than those shown here. This is just one of the pages I found while searching for cellular backup for land line. http://www.thehightechstore.com/xlink_bttn.htm
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911
I have an older Sprint Unit-designed to be used to replace house wired service, it has an antenna, you plug it into 110vac and then it has an RJ-11 on it which provides dial-tone and ringing to the rest of the wired phones in the house-but it can also be used stand-alone. The one I have has been activated but is no longer in service, I will part with it for $50 plus shipping if someone wants it. Andy W6AMS From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frederick Bray Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 7:08 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911 There are devices that provide an RJ-11 jack to interface POTS phones with cell phones. This would permit you to just plug your autopatch into the device. A web search will find these. They range from high end multi-line devices to those in the $100 to $200 price range. This is a link that shows some of the lower end items. I am sure that there are more out there and there may be better ones than those shown here. This is just one of the pages I found while searching for cellular backup for land line. http://www.thehightechstore.com/xlink_bttn.htm
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911
There are simple boxen which when fitted with a 'phone sim provide a mobile phone connection and a cat5e socket ready for a network connection mainly used for remote cctv access but will connect via the 5e to other devices , I would assume they are available in your part of the world id we have them and cost only a couple of hundred max retail ( I remember seeing one with an rj12 phone connection somewhere) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: fwb...@mminternet.com Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 07:08:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911 There are devices that provide an RJ-11 jack to interface POTS phones with cell phones. This would permit you to just plug your autopatch into the device. A web search will find these. They range from high end multi-line devices to those in the $100 to $200 price range. This is a link that shows some of the lower end items. I am sure that there are more out there and there may be better ones than those shown here. This is just one of the pages I found while searching for cellular backup for land line. http://www.thehightechstore.com/xlink_bttn.htm _ Looking for a great date? Meet singles at ninemsn dating http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911
I don't think testing with a Nextel phone would be a valid test, since Nextel and Sprint are not (true) cellphones and have always been digital. -- Original Message -- Received: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:33:39 AM PST From: Joe k1ike_m...@snet.net SNIP I don't know what kind of indication the 911 PSAP center gets when an unregistered phone dials 911. I don't know how much credibility they would give to the call. I'll be working in a PSAP sometime in the next week and I'll bring my old Nextel phone along and test it and ask some questions. As far as I know, a cellphone must have been activated at least once to make them capable of dialing 911 without paying for service. 73, Joe, K1ike
[Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911
In a few days we will be dropping dialtone service to our repeater. However, there is still a desire to somehow dial 911. An archive search of the list yielded no relevant advice on how to use an old cellphone to do this. We have no internet service in the radio room, but there *may* be free/open wifi available. We just haven't looked for it yet. Of course we could run a dedicated full-duplex link to somewhere with dialtone, but seems like a ton of work... If a cellphone (without purchased service) is a feasible solution, which one(s) are good to use and don't require microsurgery inside? What other ways are there? Laryn K8TVZ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911
Something to keep in mind: If your phone line was only for autopatch, you're fine. BUT if it was also your means of control, you will have to provide another means for that as well. Joe M. larynl2 wrote: In a few days we will be dropping dialtone service to our repeater. However, there is still a desire to somehow dial 911. An archive search of the list yielded no relevant advice on how to use an old cellphone to do this. We have no internet service in the radio room, but there *may* be free/open wifi available. We just haven't looked for it yet. Of course we could run a dedicated full-duplex link to somewhere with dialtone, but seems like a ton of work... If a cellphone (without purchased service) is a feasible solution, which one(s) are good to use and don't require microsurgery inside? What other ways are there? Laryn K8TVZ Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911
Talk to your phone Co .. let them know what you need it for .. for 911 if you use the repeater for ARES .. let them know .. I have heard of the phone co doing a DEEP discount on the service or a freebe ( as it looks good on there books) cant hurt to try ... you will have to talk to the VP of customer relations about this .. Good luck let us know how it goes On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 8:15 PM, MCH m...@nb.net wrote: Something to keep in mind: If your phone line was only for autopatch, you're fine. BUT if it was also your means of control, you will have to provide another means for that as well. Joe M. larynl2 wrote: In a few days we will be dropping dialtone service to our repeater. However, there is still a desire to somehow dial 911. An archive search of the list yielded no relevant advice on how to use an old cellphone to do this. We have no internet service in the radio room, but there *may* be free/open wifi available. We just haven't looked for it yet. Of course we could run a dedicated full-duplex link to somewhere with dialtone, but seems like a ton of work... If a cellphone (without purchased service) is a feasible solution, which one(s) are good to use and don't require microsurgery inside? What other ways are there? Laryn K8TVZ Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911
So far, all old analog cell phones I have picked up dial 911 without paid service. I call the local dispatcher on them to test this, no problem, so a larger bag phone, generally free and incredibly easy to work on due to their size, could work, a controller made from something like a basic stamp or pic chip could dial for you, send 911, *911 etc to get a connection. Another way is to set your dialer, if possible, to allow outbound 911 only and reject all other call requests. If you go with an analog phone (AMPS), contact your local PD about testing if the service still exists with carriers around you, maybe during off hours. Kurt
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911
Kurt, I'd be very surprised if 800-MHz analog cellular service still exists anywhere. It ended in my area of California more than a year ago. Nevertheless, it's possible that 1900 MHz digital cellular carriers will support free 911 dialing, if certain conditions are met. Hey, it's worth a try! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Facility 406 DM09 Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 6:43 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911 So far, all old analog cell phones I have picked up dial 911 without paid service. I call the local dispatcher on them to test this, no problem, so a larger bag phone, generally free and incredibly easy to work on due to their size, could work, a controller made from something like a basic stamp or pic chip could dial for you, send 911, *911 etc to get a connection. Another way is to set your dialer, if possible, to allow outbound 911 only and reject all other call requests. If you go with an analog phone (AMPS), contact your local PD about testing if the service still exists with carriers around you, maybe during off hours. Kurt
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911
Kurt, all Cellphones will dial 911 whether they are activated or not. But...the analogue phones will soon be turned off if they haven't already been shut down, very soon. 73 John VE3AMZ - Original Message - From: Facility 406 DM09 facility_...@earthlink.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911 So far, all old analog cell phones I have picked up dial 911 without paid service. I call the local dispatcher on them to test this, no problem, so a larger bag phone, generally free and incredibly easy to work on due to their size, could work, a controller made from something like a basic stamp or pic chip could dial for you, send 911, *911 etc to get a connection. Another way is to set your dialer, if possible, to allow outbound 911 only and reject all other call requests. If you go with an analog phone (AMPS), contact your local PD about testing if the service still exists with carriers around you, maybe during off hours. Kurt Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911
Analog cellular was discontinued in Feb of 2009, ATT and Verizon turned their analog off on the day it was permitted-it is possible that some smaller operators are still offering analog but I don't know of any-and ALL cell phones are required by law to be able to dial 911 even if they are not subscribed-the carriers and the public safety folks are trying to get this changed because many people are giving their old phones to their 2-5 year older kids who are dialing 911 because they don't know any better-but analog phones just don't plain don't work on either ATT or Verizon any more-Sprint and T-Mobile never offered analog so if there are any smaller operators out there still offering analog then they might work, but I doubt it. Andy W6AMS From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John J. Riddell Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 6:24 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911 Kurt, all Cellphones will dial 911 whether they are activated or not. But...the analogue phones will soon be turned off if they haven't already been shut down, very soon. 73 John VE3AMZ - Original Message - From: Facility 406 DM09 facility_...@earthlink.net mailto:facility_406%40earthlink.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911 So far, all old analog cell phones I have picked up dial 911 without paid service. I call the local dispatcher on them to test this, no problem, so a larger bag phone, generally free and incredibly easy to work on due to their size, could work, a controller made from something like a basic stamp or pic chip could dial for you, send 911, *911 etc to get a connection. Another way is to set your dialer, if possible, to allow outbound 911 only and reject all other call requests. If you go with an analog phone (AMPS), contact your local PD about testing if the service still exists with carriers around you, maybe during off hours. Kurt Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dropping the Autopatch--Keep 911
Well, crud... I haven't tested the service in about a year. Best you can do is grab an old analog phone, dial 911, see what happens. If you get a dispatcher, handle it how you see fit. If that doesn't work, try a newer digital one. Since you'd need to get to the keypad for your mod, use a large phone, you can couple acoustically to the speaker and mic, though most of the ones I've scrapped have contact pads for the speaker, easy to solder to, and the mic, usually surface mount has two small tabs sticking out from under the assembly, not too difficult to work with. Kurt
