SAM technical reference manual for sale (ebay)

2010-10-16 Thread sam-users

Hi,

I have the SAM TRM for sale on eBay. It's an original one as sent to me 
by MGT rather than the scanned one.


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120634712239

Regards, Jon



Re: GamesMaster Manual

2010-07-26 Thread warren
Either way, it's great to be able to have a go at GamesMaster again,  
and know what's what lol! Thanks! I can get started on my new Top  
Secret project now... ;-) (Okay, it's nothing fancy!) But hopefully  
it'll be fun. :-)


Quoting nev young pasiphae1...@yahoo.co.uk:


The bad news is I've found a proper games master manual and scanned
that in now.

(see my reply to Frode for location)

nev


On 23/07/10 08:18, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote:

Thanks Nev! That's superb! :-D Much appreciated! If/When I find my
original manual, I was going to offer to scan it if there wasn't a PDF
by then, but this means I can get going on something I have planned now!
;-)







RE: GamesMaster Manual

2010-07-23 Thread warren
Thanks Nev! That's superb! :-D Much appreciated! If/When I find my  
original manual, I was going to offer to scan it if there wasn't a PDF  
by then, but this means I can get going on something I have planned  
now! ;-)


Andy, there were a number of smaller-scale commercial games written  
with GamesMaster. It was pretty versatile. There was also my own  
Invasion II on issue 10 of SAM Revival, if you've played it. :-)  
(Cheap plug lol!)


Warren

Quoting Andrew Park alp...@ntlworld.com:


I've seen a few demos made with games master and it seems ok, I also think
it's a good medium to do simple quick games i may have a look into using it
myself now my spare time is returning. Has anyone written any games with
games master that we can all look at?

Andy

-Original Message-
From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On
Behalf Of nev young
Sent: 22 July 2010 17:16
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: GamesMaster Manual

On 20/07/10 11:29, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote:

Hey all! Been a long time since I did anything for SAM, but I've been
planning to have a go at creating something new over the next few
months... Having moved house a few times in the last few years, I
haven't a clue where my GamesMaster manual is (It's at the bottom of a
miscellaneous box somewhere!), so I was wondering if there was a PDF of
the manual out there somewhere?


There is now.

http://nevilley.no-ip.org/nfy53/sam/Games_Master.pdf

It's 74MB so I hope my web server can cope with it.

Hope it's useful.

--
nev








Re: GamesMaster Manual

2010-07-23 Thread nev young

On 22/07/10 19:50, Frode Tennebø wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:59:01 +0200, nev young pasiphae1...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:


Do you know of any other docs that need scanning in?

If I have them I can scan them as well.


Well, anything not already archived at
ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/docs/ would be appreciated.


I've had a happy day today scanning lots of my sam  spectrum manuals.

have a look in
http://nevilley.no-ip.org/nfy53/sam/

I'm afraid I don't run a ftp server so if you want any you'll have to 
use a http get.


(right click on the filename and use save as for the odd one)

--
nev



Re: GamesMaster Manual

2010-07-23 Thread nev young
The bad news is I've found a proper games master manual and scanned 
that in now.


(see my reply to Frode for location)

nev


On 23/07/10 08:18, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote:

Thanks Nev! That's superb! :-D Much appreciated! If/When I find my
original manual, I was going to offer to scan it if there wasn't a PDF
by then, but this means I can get going on something I have planned now!
;-)



Re: GamesMaster Manual

2010-07-22 Thread nev young

On 20/07/10 11:29, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote:

Hey all! Been a long time since I did anything for SAM, but I've been
planning to have a go at creating something new over the next few
months... Having moved house a few times in the last few years, I
haven't a clue where my GamesMaster manual is (It's at the bottom of a
miscellaneous box somewhere!), so I was wondering if there was a PDF of
the manual out there somewhere?


There is now.

http://nevilley.no-ip.org/nfy53/sam/Games_Master.pdf

It's 74MB so I hope my web server can cope with it.

Hope it's useful.

--
nev


Re: GamesMaster Manual

2010-07-22 Thread Frode Tennebø
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:15:57 +0200, nev young pasiphae1...@yahoo.co.uk  
wrote:



There is now.

http://nevilley.no-ip.org/nfy53/sam/Games_Master.pdf


Excellent, Nev.

Hope you don't mind it being mirrored at:

ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/docs/manuals/software/Games_Master.pdf

(should be there in 30 mins)

 -Frode
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Re: GamesMaster Manual

2010-07-22 Thread Frode Tennebø
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:59:01 +0200, nev young pasiphae1...@yahoo.co.uk  
wrote:



Do you know of any other docs that need scanning in?

If I have them I can scan them as well.


Well, anything not already archived at  
ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/docs/ would be appreciated.


 -Frode

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RE: GamesMaster Manual

2010-07-22 Thread Andrew Park
I've seen a few demos made with games master and it seems ok, I also think
it's a good medium to do simple quick games i may have a look into using it
myself now my spare time is returning. Has anyone written any games with
games master that we can all look at?

Andy

-Original Message-
From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On
Behalf Of nev young
Sent: 22 July 2010 17:16
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: GamesMaster Manual

On 20/07/10 11:29, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote:
 Hey all! Been a long time since I did anything for SAM, but I've been
 planning to have a go at creating something new over the next few
 months... Having moved house a few times in the last few years, I
 haven't a clue where my GamesMaster manual is (It's at the bottom of a
 miscellaneous box somewhere!), so I was wondering if there was a PDF of
 the manual out there somewhere?

There is now.

http://nevilley.no-ip.org/nfy53/sam/Games_Master.pdf

It's 74MB so I hope my web server can cope with it.

Hope it's useful.

-- 
nev



GamesMaster Manual

2010-07-20 Thread warren
Hey all! Been a long time since I did anything for SAM, but I've been  
planning to have a go at creating something new over the next few  
months... Having moved house a few times in the last few years, I  
haven't a clue where my GamesMaster manual is (It's at the bottom of a  
miscellaneous box somewhere!), so I was wondering if there was a PDF  
of the manual out there somewhere?


Likewise, but less important (Since I'll be using Photoshop and  
converting), is if there is one for SamPaint? Would still be handy for  
doing tweaks and alterations.


Anyways, it's always good to get back into SAM related fun! ;-) Hope  
everyone's doing well!


Warren Lee



S.A.S. Manual anyone

2006-02-12 Thread D Sparrow

Hello all,
Back in the Sam Scene thanks to Colin Piggot, thanks Colin :-)
Anyways, I was wondering if anyone had a full manual for the Sam 
Adventure System? Or maybe they know someone willing to sell me their 
copy of the software and  manual if they don't use it anymore?

Just a bit of a search at the mo' really.

Thanks all.

Darren Sparrow.


SAM Tech Manual Bug

2005-08-04 Thread Stuart Brady
Hi,

I just noticed a bug in the SAM Tech Manual (3.0), so I'm pointing it
out in case anyone else gets bitten by it.

On page 16, example code for scanning the keyboard is given, which
contains the instruction:

   SCF  ;set carry flag for
   RLC  B   ;rotate next address line

This should have been RL B, as RLC is _without_ carry.

Cheers,
-- 
Stuart Brady


tech manual

2005-01-16 Thread Stuart Brady
Hi,

I just noticed that the copy of the tech manual on nvg doesn't contain
Appendix C or the index.  There's also an extra page at the end
regarding the ANYIV variable in ROM 1.2.  I don't really have anything
that can edit pdfs, but maybe someone else would like to fix it.

I can scan the pages in if needed.

Cheers,
-- 
Stuart Brady


Re: tech manual

2005-01-16 Thread MorriganCP




In a message dated 01/16/2005 13:53:38 GMT Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I can 
  scan the pages in if needed

Yes Please , scan and send them to me and I will look at adding it to the 
pdf. This pdf is not one of mine but I can add to it.

[ morrigancp @ aol . com ]


Steve


Re: MasterDos Manual pdf Version 1

2004-12-15 Thread Edwin Blink
Tim:
 I think frode originally sent them to me.  I presume they match the
 sheet that came with the masterdos manual.  No-one has complained at my
 publication of them so far...

I compared it with the copies I have, same content (Also found a way to scan
them in)

Edwin


Re: MasterDos Manual pdf Version 1

2004-12-14 Thread Tim

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://www.sadsnail.freeserve.co.uk/Coupe/Tech/mdhook.html

HTH,
Tim

 
Q. Can I include them at the end of the pdf ? [this would be version 1a]

 Yes/no ?


I've no objection :-)

I think frode originally sent them to me.  I presume they match the 
sheet that came with the masterdos manual.  No-one has complained at my 
publication of them so far...


Tim - (who had grand plans about 6 months ago to stick a database 
backend behind samcoupescrapbook.co.uk and make it into the Sam version 
of WoS.  I guess I never noticed how little free time I have now days. 
I'm glad someone else has had a similar idea and is actually getting 
somewhere with it.)


MasterBasic Manual Errors Do you know any?

2004-12-13 Thread MorriganCP




Hello folks,

 
MasterBasic pdf version 1 is 50% complete – all text has now been OCRd 
.
Before I format the word doc , I want to ask you the 
following;-

Q 1 . Would you like any errors in the manual fixed where they 
appear?  
yes/no

Q 2. Any errors in the manual to be included as a page at the end of the 
pdf? 
 
Yes/no

Q 3.Do not include anything keep it as the original
 
Yes/no

Q 4. Do you know of any errors?

 
Known errors 
 

 
Page 16 “Join To a$ to 
a$” 

 
should be “Join To a$ to 
b$”


 page 49 “POKE 
XVAR 8,4” should be 
“POKE 
XVAR 8,20” 
 

 Page 51 
“Normally 
4 (bytes in sequence),27,82,2,35,0,0,0”
 
should be
 
“Normally 
(bytes in sequence) 4,27,82,2,35,0,0,0”


Regards, Steve(spt)

morrgancp at aol dot com 




MasterDos Manual pdf Version 1

2004-12-13 Thread MorriganCP



Hi folks

I had 10 mins spare today so here is MasterDos manual pfd version 1.

Now , my Masterdos disk was version 2.1, then updated on 6/6/92 to version 
2.3.

if there is any thing different in the manuals from version to version then 
let me know, and I will compile a new pdf. 

Its on the Pro-dos site:-

http://www.samcoupe-pro-dos.co.uk/sammanual.html

[ next pdf Project MasterBasic ]

regards Steve (spt)



Re: MasterDos Manual pdf Version 1

2004-12-13 Thread Gavin Smith

On 9 Dec 2004, at 5:21 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi folks
 
I had 10 mins spare today so here is MasterDos manual pfd version 1.
 
Now , my Masterdos disk was version 2.1, then updated on 6/6/92 to version 2.3.

Downloading it now - my had a blue cover, was that just a Format re-release thing?

Gavin

Re: MasterDos Manual pdf Version 1

2004-12-13 Thread Edwin Blink
 I had 10 mins spare today so here is MasterDos manual pfd version 1.

 Now , my Masterdos disk was version 2.1, then updated on 6/6/92 to
 version 2.3.

Gavin:

my had a blue cover,

I've got a 1990 First edition. It has a blue cover with a small window
cut out where it read 'MasterDOS for the SAM COUPE user manual'
IThe contents looks exactly the same as the PDF.

The only difference is that mine came with snother a 4 paged photocopied set
of masterdos hookcodes. Anyone have  them too ?

 was that just a Format re-release thing?

the scan on the last page of PDF says so.

Edwin


Re: MasterDos Manual pdf Version 1

2004-12-12 Thread MorriganCP




Edwin 
  Blink wrote: The only difference is that mine came with snother a 4 
  paged photocopied set of masterdos hookcodes. Anyone have them 
  too 
  ?http://www.sadsnail.freeserve.co.uk/Coupe/Tech/mdhook.htmlHTH, 
   Tim


Q. Can I include them at the end of the pdf ? [this would be version 
1a]
Yes/no ?


I willall soinclude url in to point to the samcoupe.org 
site from now on.

Regards Steve(spt)

morrigancp at aol dot com




Re: MasterDos Manual pdf Version 1

2004-12-11 Thread Tim

Edwin Blink wrote:

The only difference is that mine came with snother a 4 paged photocopied set
of masterdos hookcodes. Anyone have  them too ?


http://www.sadsnail.freeserve.co.uk/Coupe/Tech/mdhook.html

HTH,
Tim


RE: MasterBasic Manual Errors Do you know any?

2004-12-10 Thread Geoff Winkless
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Q 2. Any errors in the manual to be included as a page at the end of the
pdf? 
 Yes/no

I'd say keep as-is for the sake of history, and add an erratum page.

Well done for all the hard work, BTW!

Geoff


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Re: MasterBasic Manual Errors Do you know any?

2004-12-10 Thread Edwin Blink

Hello folks,
MasterBasic pdf version 1 is 50% complete – all text has now been OCRd  .

Excellent. Another 10 mins ?

Keep the it like the original Corrections at the end are fine.
Don't know of any mistakes problems so.
Q1,Q2=YES,
Q3,Q4=NO

Edwin


SAM Technical manual in Adobe Reader 6?

2003-12-09 Thread Simon Owen
Has anyone tried viewing the SAM Technical manual PDF
(ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/docs/Sam_Manual.pdf) in Adobe Reader 6?

My version shows up with control characters instead of spaces:
http://obo.homeip.net/~si/samtech.png  I can open other documents ok, so
perhaps there's something not right about the generated PDF?  I seem to
remember it viewed fine with Adobe Reader 5 too...

Si



RE: SAM Technical manual in Adobe Reader 6?

2003-12-09 Thread Chris White
Yep seems like a problem with the encoded pdf, as just encoded from pdf
to rtf , via v6.0 engine and got no spaces etc :(

Will see if it can be FIXED some how ;P


C

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Simon Owen
Sent: 09 December 2003 08:45
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: SAM Technical manual in Adobe Reader 6?

Has anyone tried viewing the SAM Technical manual PDF
(ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/docs/Sam_Manual.pdf) in Adobe
Reader 6?

My version shows up with control characters instead of spaces:
http://obo.homeip.net/~si/samtech.png  I can open other documents ok, so
perhaps there's something not right about the generated PDF?  I seem to
remember it viewed fine with Adobe Reader 5 too...

Si



Re: Sam Tech Manual

2002-10-04 Thread Frode Tenneboe
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:55:24 +0100 Andrew Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Thursday, October 3, 2002, at 12:08  am, Simon Owen wrote:
 
  I borrowed Acrobat for TurboMON
  PDF, which was also created from a Word document, so I could do the 
  same
  again if needed.
 
 FWIW I can print word documents to pdf files without any extra software.

Both a .pdf and .doc version is now on ftp.nvg.ntnu.no:/pub/sam-coupe/docs.

 -Frode


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Re: Sam Tech Manual

2002-10-04 Thread Nev Young
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:19:12 +0200 (MEST), Frode Tenneboe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:55:24 +0100 Andrew Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  On Thursday, October 3, 2002, at 12:08  am, Simon Owen wrote:
  
   I borrowed Acrobat for TurboMON
   PDF, which was also created from a Word document, so I could do the 
   same
   again if needed.
  
  FWIW I can print word documents to pdf files without any extra software.
 
 Both a .pdf and .doc version is now on ftp.nvg.ntnu.no:/pub/sam-coupe/docs.
 
but it's -rw  duh!




Re: Sam Tech Manual

2002-10-04 Thread Frode Tenneboe
On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 07:28:15 +0100 Nev Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Both a .pdf and .doc version is now on ftp.nvg.ntnu.no:/pub/sam-coupe/docs.
  
 but it's -rw  duh!

*smack*dunk* (fixed)

 -Frode
  


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RE: Sam Tech Manual

2002-10-04 Thread Geoff Winkless
Andy Collier wrote:
 On Thursday, October 3, 2002, at 12:08  am, Simon Owen wrote:
 
  I borrowed Acrobat for TurboMON
  PDF, which was also created from a Word document, so I could do the
  same
  again if needed.
 
 FWIW I can print word documents to pdf files without any 
 extra software.

Alternatively I have acrobat writer here at work.

:)

Geoff



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Re: Sam Tech Manual

2002-10-04 Thread Nev Young
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:29:18 +0200 (MEST), Frode Tenneboe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 04 Oct 2002 07:28:15 +0100 Nev Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Both a .pdf and .doc version is now on 
   ftp.nvg.ntnu.no:/pub/sam-coupe/docs.
   
Cheers,  Both versions transfer back OK.

I'll try and crack on with the rest of the manual.

-- 
Nev



RE: Sam Tech Manual

2002-10-03 Thread Simon Owen
Nev Young wrote:
 But could at least some of you check out
 http://www.nfy53.demon.co.uk/sam/Sam_Manual.doc

Great job, looks excellent!  It's very close to the original format, and
infinitely better than the previous OCR'd version (which I used for an
occasional search).


 It's still in MS word format at the mo and I still have 
 to do the Appendices.

I guess using PDF format might be better for non-Windows users? (and
those without Word or the Word viewer).  I borrowed Acrobat for TurboMON
PDF, which was also created from a Word document, so I could do the same
again if needed.

Si



Re: Sam Tech Manual

2002-10-03 Thread Nev Young
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:08:31 +0100, Simon Owen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nev Young wrote:
  But could at least some of you check out
  http://www.nfy53.demon.co.uk/sam/Sam_Manual.doc
 
 Great job, looks excellent!  It's very close to the original format, and
This was the idea.  I started from an OCR version that I scanned in
but with the effort required to get the formating back and correct the
typos, well I some times think I shouldn't have started.

 infinitely better than the previous OCR'd version (which I used for an
 occasional search).
Where is the previous OCR version - it could be a better starting
point than mine for the pages I haven't yet done.
 
  It's still in MS word format at the mo and I still have 
  to do the Appendices.
 
 I guess using PDF format might be better for non-Windows users? (and
 those without Word or the Word viewer).  I borrowed Acrobat for TurboMON
 PDF, which was also created from a Word document, so I could do the same
 again if needed.
 
That would be great.  Hopefully it will still be possible to do
searches once it's in PDF form.  Mind you the rate at which I'll be
doing the apendices it could be several months !

Do you think I should even try and do the small print bits for the
sound and disk controller chips? 


Oh, and thanks for the feed back.

-- 
Nev


RE: Sam Tech Manual

2002-10-03 Thread Simon Owen
Nev Young wrote:
 Where is the previous OCR version - it could be a better 
 starting point than mine for the pages I haven't yet done.

I can't remember where I got it from (or the 5MB scanned PDF of the SAM
User Guide), but I can e-mail it to you if you want it (162K zipped).
I've also just tried checking NVG for it but it seems to be down at the
moment (Frode?).


 That would be great.  Hopefully it will still be possible to 
 do searches once it's in PDF form.

Yeah, as long as it's generated from a text source it'll be searchable,
and select/copy will work in the Text mode in Acrobat.


 Do you think I should even try and do the small print bits 
 for the sound and disk controller chips?

I've always wondered if the original documents were available online
somewhere, but I've not managed to find them.  The text on my floppy
controller document is quite difficult to read, so an updated version of
that would certainly be very handy - of course, it's easy for me to say
that when someone else is doing it!.

btw, the old OCR'd tech manual doesn't include the sound and disk
controller documents, if that's the main reason you're after it.

Si



RE: Sam Tech Manual

2002-10-03 Thread Frode Tenneboe
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:58:23 +0100 Simon Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nev Young wrote:
  Where is the previous OCR version - it could be a better 
  starting point than mine for the pages I haven't yet done.
 
 I can't remember where I got it from (or the 5MB scanned PDF of the SAM
 User Guide), but I can e-mail it to you if you want it (162K zipped).
 I've also just tried checking NVG for it but it seems to be down at the
 moment (Frode?).

Technically it's not down - it's just a RH80 mirror :)

It's located in docs/SamTechManual.zip (whenver you get in). :/

  That would be great.  Hopefully it will still be possible to 
  do searches once it's in PDF form.
 
 Yeah, as long as it's generated from a text source it'll be searchable,
 and select/copy will work in the Text mode in Acrobat.

I did a conversion and not having seen the original word-document
it looks quite good.

  Do you think I should even try and do the small print bits 
  for the sound and disk controller chips?
 
 I've always wondered if the original documents were available online
 somewhere, but I've not managed to find them.  The text on my floppy
 controller document is quite difficult to read, so an updated version of
 that would certainly be very handy - of course, it's easy for me to say
 that when someone else is doing it!.

There's also the alternative technical manual you got started on
(located at docs/coupe.zip).

 -Frode


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RE: Sam Tech Manual

2002-10-03 Thread Frode Tenneboe
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:22:09 +0100 Simon Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Frode Tenneboe wrote:

  There's also the alternative technical manual you got started 
  on (located at docs/coupe.zip).
 
 Is that Simon Cooke's one?

Errr...you Simons look the same to me. :) Yes.

 -Frode


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Re: Sam Tech Manual

2002-10-03 Thread Nev Young
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:58:23 +0100, Simon Owen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nev Young wrote:
 
 btw, the old OCR'd tech manual doesn't include the sound and disk
 controller documents, if that's the main reason you're after it.
 
Ah yes it only has in what I have produced but without correcting the
formatting and spelling.

Looks like I got a lot of typing to do. !!

Actually the text isn't too bad, the diagrams are the real pain.

-- 
Nev


Re: Sam Tech Manual

2002-10-03 Thread Andrew Collier


On Thursday, October 3, 2002, at 12:08  am, Simon Owen wrote:


I borrowed Acrobat for TurboMON
PDF, which was also created from a Word document, so I could do the 
same

again if needed.


FWIW I can print word documents to pdf files without any extra software.

HTH,

Andrew

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Sam Tech Manual

2002-10-02 Thread Nev Young
Hello Guys,

It's been a long slow process and it's still not finished.

But could at least some of you check out
http://www.nfy53.demon.co.uk/sam/Sam_Manual.doc

It's still in MS word format at the mo and I still have to do the
Appendices.  But any proof reading would be useful.


Nev



RE: Tech Manual

2001-08-15 Thread Chris White
Not Mr J F , it was done by Martin if i remeber ,i have the tif images here
i just need to run them thought the ocr , i also got half way though
scanning User manual , but been busy with work :(

And if i remeber there was all sorts of legal stuff going about if it was
scanned in etc :)

C


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Gavin Smith
Sent: 14 August 2001 19:20
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Tech Manual


On Tuesday, August 14, 2001, at 07:20  pm, Simon Owen wrote:

 Not sure about Tech Manual, tho I do remember it being done not too long
 ago.  Does anyone have the SAM User Guide too?

Not sure about the User Guide, but I know the tech manual was PDF'd and
is (or at least was) available on some website or other. Which I can no
longer find the bookmark for. It was a Johnny Foreigner website if that
narrows it down :)

Gavin




Re: Tech Manual

2001-08-15 Thread David Ledbury

- Original Message -
From: Chris White [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 10:14 PM
Subject: RE: Tech Manual


 Not Mr J F , it was done by Martin if i remeber ,i have the tif images
here
 i just need to run them thought the ocr , i also got half way though
 scanning User manual , but been busy with work :(

 And if i remeber there was all sorts of legal stuff going about if it was
 scanned in etc :)

From a gentleman who's not exactly kept to the letter of the law in all
cases :(

No names mentioned!

Upload away




UPloaded Tech Manual to NVG

2001-08-15 Thread Chris White




RE: UPloaded Tech Manual to NVG

2001-08-15 Thread Chris White
Infact it was allready there :)


C


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Chris White
Sent: 14 August 2001 22:34
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: UPloaded Tech Manual to NVG








RE: UPloaded Tech Manual to NVG

2001-08-15 Thread Frode Tenneboe
On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:37:40 +0100 Chris White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Infact it was allready there :)

Indeed:

ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/doc/SamTechManual.zip

I don't think it has been proof read. Anyone willing and able?

There is also:

ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/doc/coupe.zip

which contains a draft of a new technical manual written by Simon Cooke.

 -Frode


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Tech Manual

2001-08-14 Thread Gavin Smith
Just a quick question: anyone know what the latest version of the Tech 
Manual released is? I have version 3.0 but isn't there a newer version?


Gavin


Re: Tech Manual

2001-08-14 Thread Colin Piggot
 Just a quick question: anyone know what the latest version of the Tech 
 Manual released is? I have version 3.0 but isn't there a newer version?

That is the 'latest version'... as sold by MGT / SamCo / Format...

Colin P.

Quazar : Hardware and Software for the Sam
http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/




Re: Tech Manual

2001-08-14 Thread Aley Keprt


 Just a quick question: anyone know what the latest version of the Tech
 Manual released is? I have version 3.0 but isn't there a newer version?

 Gavin

I'd like to know whether ROM disassembly and Tech Manual is avaialble
somewhere on the net.
I have Sam Newsdisks with ROM sources, but there's only ROM0. Is it possible
to get ROM1?

Aley




Re: Tech Manual

2001-08-14 Thread David Ledbury
 
 
  Just a quick question: anyone know what the latest version of the 
Tech
  Manual released is? I have version 3.0 but isn't there a newer 
version?
 
  Gavin
 
 I'd like to know whether ROM disassembly and Tech Manual is avaialble

 somewhere on the net.
 I have Sam Newsdisks with ROM sources, but there's only ROM0. Is it 
possible
 to get ROM1?
 
 Aley

SAM Prime  Bitz featured up to towards the end of Rom 1 - if memory 
serves me right

-- 


RE: Tech Manual

2001-08-14 Thread Simon Owen
Aley Keprt wrote:
 I'd like to know whether ROM disassembly and Tech Manual is 
 avaialble somewhere on the net. I have Sam Newsdisks with ROM 
 sources, but there's only ROM0. Is it possible to get ROM1?

ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/sources/SAMBasicROMv3src.zip

seems to have both ROM0 and ROM1 sources - does ROM0 match what you
already have?

Not sure about Tech Manual, tho I do remember it being done not too long
ago.  Does anyone have the SAM User Guide too?

Si



Re: Tech Manual

2001-08-14 Thread Gavin Smith

On Tuesday, August 14, 2001, at 07:20  pm, Simon Owen wrote:


Not sure about Tech Manual, tho I do remember it being done not too long
ago.  Does anyone have the SAM User Guide too?


Not sure about the User Guide, but I know the tech manual was PDF'd and 
is (or at least was) available on some website or other. Which I can no 
longer find the bookmark for. It was a Johnny Foreigner website if that 
narrows it down :)


Gavin


Looking for SCADS manual

2000-08-16 Thread womoteam
I have give up to look for a SCAD manual as it seems that nobody can or want to 
help out.
But maybe I find a keen person who declares me the meanings and usage of some 
parameters which are used in orders such as ANIMATE 0,1 or more special
SETINP 0,2,2,2,255,00020001 and more.
If I know more about SCADs maybe I can create an easy to use muanual by 
myself 
and for Gavins community page?

Thanks in advance
Wo from WoMo-Team



RE: Looking for SCADS manual

2000-08-16 Thread Neil Holmes
I hope you dont mind but I've ICQ'd your request to glen cook (the scads
author) ill let you know if he replies :)

He's jut changed jobs so he may be a little busy at the mo... dont hold ya
breath too long :)

Unfortunately he no longer has any SCADS documentation tho (im sure this has
been covered before along with the fat that someone-who-shall-not-be-named
was ripping him off)

ninge

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 16 August 2000 12:47
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Looking for SCADS manual


I have give up to look for a SCAD manual as it seems that nobody can or want
to 
help out.
But maybe I find a keen person who declares me the meanings and usage of
some 
parameters which are used in orders such as ANIMATE 0,1 or more special
SETINP 0,2,2,2,255,00020001 and more.
If I know more about SCADs maybe I can create an easy to use muanual by
myself 
and for Gavins community page?

Thanks in advance
Wo from WoMo-Team


RE: Looking for SCADS manual

2000-08-16 Thread David Ledbury
 I hope you dont mind but I've ICQ'd your request to glen cook (the 
scads
 author) ill let you know if he replies :)
 
 He's jut changed jobs so he may be a little busy at the mo... dont 
hold ya
 breath too long :)
 
 Unfortunately he no longer has any SCADS documentation tho (im sure 
this has
 been covered before along with the fat that someone-who-shall-not-be-
named
 was ripping him off)
 
Dont worry - unless Samsboss is still around - I'm sure BB wont be able 
to comment about that...

I take it he didnt agree with BB selling the manuals on at £8 a time 
then? Not to mention making Scads as PD?

David

-- 


Gamesmaster manual

2000-08-16 Thread Peter Harkess
Has anyone got a copy of the gamesmaster manual they can put online or send
me as i can`t find mine after my move.

cheers
  Peter Harkess




Re: Looking for SCADS manual

2000-06-29 Thread womoteam
Only to remember my search for SCADS manual.

To Martin Fitzpatrick:

Hope your house moving continues. If you think you will need for longer with 
your house don´t you think it´s better to send me the original (of course you 
will get back) and I do the job. I guess I have read it has a lot of pages 
(about 300, correct?).

Greets
Wo from WoMo-Team



Re: Looking for SCADS manual

2000-06-07 Thread womoteam
Once upon a time I asked for the SCADS manual and someone wrotes, he would scan 
it in and set it to the net.

Hopefully that someone which name I not know yet is still alive, I like to 
know how things are in progess (if).

Otherwise as I mentioned I like to do the job when someone would send me an 
original.

Wolfgang from WoMo-Team



Re: Looking for SCADS manual

2000-06-07 Thread Martin Fitzpatrick


womoteam wrote:
 
 Once upon a time I asked for the SCADS manual and someone wrotes, he would 
 scan
 it in and set it to the net.
 
 Hopefully that someone which name I not know yet is still alive, I like to
 know how things are in progess (if).

Was that me? I think it probably was.  To be honest, I havent started
yet - Just moved house to York, so been a bit busy.  But I'll do a bit
by bit  let you know how it gets on.

What format you want me to send it to you in?

fitz

-- 
Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#11077801


Re: Looking for SCADS manual

2000-06-07 Thread womoteam
Martin Fitzpatrick schrieb:

  Once upon a time I asked for the SCADS manual...

 Was that me? I think it probably was.  To be honest, I havent started
 yet - Just moved house to York, so been a bit busy.  But I'll do a bit
 by bit  let you know how it gets on.

 What format you want me to send it to you in?

 fitz

Hi Martin,

I still remember to have read about a home moving in the past. So I think it 
was 
you and yes - I remember poohsticks.

I think .txt format would be the best for anyone who wants it also. If you have 
textdetecting (OCP) in your scanner software a textformat would be always the 
best. I can handle nearly all formats (rtf, doc, ansi, ascii) so for me 
personally PDF is also no problem.

Thank you for your answer, I will wait.

Wolfgang from WoMo-Team



Re: Looking for SCADS manual

2000-05-25 Thread womoteam
Has anything happened with the manual in between?

Wo from WoMo-Team



RE: Looking for SCADS manual

2000-05-19 Thread Chris White
send away its only 200k , but will put on web soon 

C


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Martin Fitzpatrick
Sent: 17 May 2000 23:52
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Looking for SCADS manual




Edwin Blink wrote:
 
  But I've just done scanning in the entire tech manual, so, well, I
 want a break :)...  I'll get in done nexdt week sometime (Im moving
 house this weekend, so its a bit impossible to do it now anyway :)
 
 Are you putting it online ?
 If not I'd like to put it online ?

Chris White OCR'd it.. and I think hes putting it up on his website (if
thats wrong Chris, lemme know  i'll just send it thru email to
everyone)

fitz


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Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#11077801




Re: Looking for SCADS manual

2000-05-18 Thread Martin Fitzpatrick


Edwin Blink wrote:
 
  But I've just done scanning in the entire tech manual, so, well, I
 want a break :)...  I'll get in done nexdt week sometime (Im moving
 house this weekend, so its a bit impossible to do it now anyway :)
 
 Are you putting it online ?
 If not I'd like to put it online ?

Chris White OCR'd it.. and I think hes putting it up on his website (if
thats wrong Chris, lemme know  i'll just send it thru email to
everyone)

fitz


-- 
Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#11077801


Looking for SCADS manual

2000-05-17 Thread womoteam
Hello.

Since I see a great SAM revival here I am in a very good mood. So I have 
downloaded SCAD from nvg, but there is no manual.
Can anybody help in this way? If someone would send it to me I can scan it and 
make Text- and/or PDF-file of it, so whoever it wants can set it on his webside 
for all.
The manual will be sended back of course as fast as possible.

Thanx for your efforts
Wolfgang of WoMo-Team



Re: Looking for SCADS manual

2000-05-17 Thread Martin Fitzpatrick
Hey ho,

 Since I see a great SAM revival here I am in a very good mood. So I have
 downloaded SCAD from nvg, but there is no manual.
 Can anybody help in this way? If someone would send it to me I can scan it and
 make Text- and/or PDF-file of it, so whoever it wants can set it on his 
 webside
 for all.
 The manual will be sended back of course as fast as possible.

Ive got the SCADS manual... and can scan it in for someone to pdf/ocr
it.  But I've just done scanning in the entire tech manual, so, well, I
want a break :)...  I'll get in done nexdt week sometime (Im moving
house this weekend, so its a bit impossible to do it now anyway :)

fitz

-- 
Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#11077801


Re: Looking for SCADS manual

2000-05-17 Thread Mac Buster


Martin Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 [...]
 Ive got the SCADS manual... and can scan it in for someone to pdf/ocr
 it.  But I've just done scanning in the entire tech manual,

 Great! 8)

 so, well, I want a break :)...  I'll get in done nexdt week sometime
 (Im moving house this weekend, so its a bit impossible to do it now
 anyway :)
 
 fitz
 
 --
 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#11077801


Re: Looking for SCADS manual

2000-05-17 Thread Edwin Blink
 But I've just done scanning in the entire tech manual, so, well, I
want a break :)...  I'll get in done nexdt week sometime (Im moving
house this weekend, so its a bit impossible to do it now anyway :)


Are you putting it online ?
If not I'd like to put it online ?

Edwin Blink

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.wanadoo.nl/blink/samcoupe/index.htm



Re: Sam Tech manual needed

2000-04-27 Thread womoteam
Jarek Adamski schrieb:
 Dnia 00-04-22 Mac Buster pisze:


  Could you please upload it somewhere and make it publically
  downloadable ? There are not only Frans van Egmond need it :)
 In 1997 I made translation of SAM Technical Manual to Polish
 language. The translation is updated with informations taken
 from mouse driver, MasterDOS documentation and my own
 experience. Anyone interested?


 --
 Yarek


Hi Yarek.

I guess the updated informations are in polish. However, the programs are SAM. 
Yes - I am very interested.

Wo from WoMo-Team



Re: Sam Tech manual needed

2000-04-25 Thread Martin Fitzpatrick


Jarek Adamski wrote:
 
 Dnia 00-04-22 Mac Buster pisze:
 
  Could you please upload it somewhere and make it publically
  downloadable ? There are not only Frans van Egmond need it :)
 In 1997 I made translation of SAM Technical Manual to Polish
 language. The translation is updated with informations taken
 from mouse driver, MasterDOS documentation and my own
 experience. Anyone interested?

I think it'd be good if a website could be put somewhere with copies of
all versions of the tech manual/any other information in whatever
language that they exist.  Just cos.

fitz


-- 
Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#11077801


Re: Sam Tech manual needed

2000-04-24 Thread Jarek Adamski
Dnia 00-04-22 Mac Buster pisze:


 Could you please upload it somewhere and make it publically
 downloadable ? There are not only Frans van Egmond need it :)
In 1997 I made translation of SAM Technical Manual to Polish
language. The translation is updated with informations taken
from mouse driver, MasterDOS documentation and my own
experience. Anyone interested?


--
Yarek



RE: Sam Tech manual needed

2000-04-22 Thread Chris White
oopss seem to have placed it in a safe place will hunt more :(

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I'd appreciate that very much, thanks.

Frans

Chris White wrote:

 Might scan it in over weekend , would that help ?

 C

   

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Re: Sam Tech manual needed

2000-04-22 Thread Martin Fitzpatrick


Chris White wrote:
 
 oopss seem to have placed it in a safe place will hunt more :(

Chris... I've got a copy here, so if you're planning n scanning it it,
let me know  we can go half/half on the job of scanning it.  Just say a
res/filetype/thingy (technical term) and I'll do that.

fitz

-- 
Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#11077801


RE: Sam Tech manual needed

2000-04-22 Thread Chris White
i have a OCR ( ominpage 10.0 ) and its really good @ GFX/txt and saves to
.Doc files , so would be editable ,

Gray Scale , 400dpi worked on Sam Manual ( near finished ) ,

So if you want to join forces , start scaning from back and email me as you
go to

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

C

---BeginMessage---


Chris White wrote:
 
 oopss seem to have placed it in a safe place will hunt more :(

Chris... I've got a copy here, so if you're planning n scanning it it,
let me know  we can go half/half on the job of scanning it.  Just say a
res/filetype/thingy (technical term) and I'll do that.

fitz

-- 
Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#11077801

---End Message---


Sam Tech manual needed

2000-04-21 Thread Frans van Egmond
Does anyone have the MGT Sam tech manual or a copy of it for sale?

Frans



RE: Sam Tech manual needed

2000-04-21 Thread Chris White
Might scan it in over weekend , would that help ?

C

---BeginMessage---
Does anyone have the MGT Sam tech manual or a copy of it for sale?

Frans

---End Message---


Re: Sam Tech manual needed

2000-04-21 Thread Frans van Egmond
I'd appreciate that very much, thanks.

Frans

Chris White wrote:

 Might scan it in over weekend , would that help ?

 C

   

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Re: Sam Tech manual needed

2000-04-21 Thread Mac Buster


Chris White wrote:
 
 Might scan it in over weekend , would that help ?

 Could you please upload it somewhere and make it publically
downloadable ? There are not only Frans van Egmond need it :)


Re: Any one got a Comet (the assembler) manual or

1999-08-03 Thread stefan.drissen

Lars wrote:
Some kind of short manual. I have n't used for many years now so I'm a
little rusty and I have a lot of unfinished projects to finish of the the
Coupé. And also, if any one is intressed in helping me finish up a
vertical
Shoot em up for the Coupe I would really appriciate it. (Like designing
alien pattern, levels , sound fx etc)

Very basic:
Use symbolshift C to get the command line prompt.  G enter, will take you
to the menu screen.

On the command line you can also use:

L - load source
S - save source
O - save object code (although you have to enter ALL parameters)
A - assemble
M - merge

In the editor you can use F1 and F4 to page up and down.  F7 takes you to
the top of the source, F0 takes you to the bottom of the source.

F3 inserts a line (I think...)

And that's all I can remember off the top of my head.

Maybe Edwin Blink could email you a copy of the text file (oops, you
wouldn't want to be breaking copyright on leading edge technology
though would you!)







Re: Any one gotg a Comet (the assembler) manual or

1999-08-03 Thread Lars Persson
Thanx Stefan.. That was all I need. Och I'm impressed that my 5 year old 
disks still holds together.


/Lars


Very basic:
Use symbolshift C to get the command line prompt.  G enter, will take you
to the menu screen.

On the command line you can also use:

L - load source
S - save source
O - save object code (although you have to enter ALL parameters)
A - assemble
M - merge

In the editor you can use F1 and F4 to page up and down.  F7 takes you to
the top of the source, F0 takes you to the bottom of the source.

F3 inserts a line (I think...)

And that's all I can remember off the top of my head.

Maybe Edwin Blink could email you a copy of the text file (oops, you
wouldn't want to be breaking copyright on leading edge technology
though would you!)








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Re: Any one got a Comet (the assembler) manual or

1999-08-03 Thread Paul Walker
 Maybe Edwin Blink could email you a copy of the text file (oops, you
 wouldn't want to be breaking copyright on leading edge technology
 though would you!)

That's okay, he wouldn't be ;)

Paul
--
Just because the guy is a fuckwit there's no reason to insult him
 like that.  Insult him like this instead...
 -- Paul L. Allen in demon.service



Any one got a Comet (the assembler) manual or

1999-08-02 Thread Lars Persson
Some kind of short manual. I have n't used for many years now so I'm a 
little rusty and I have a lot of unfinished projects to finish of the the 
Coupé. And also, if any one is intressed in helping me finish up a vertical 
Shoot em up for the Coupe I would really appriciate it. (Like designing 
alien pattern, levels , sound fx etc)


Best wishes Lars..



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Re: Any one got a Comet (the assembler) manual or

1999-08-02 Thread Gasson
Lars Persson wrote:
 Some kind of short manual. I have n't used for many years now so I'm a
 little rusty and I have a lot of unfinished projects to finish of the the
 Coupé. And also, if any one is intressed in helping me finish up a vertical
 Shoot em up for the Coupe I would really appriciate it. (Like designing
 alien pattern, levels , sound fx etc)
 
 Best wishes Lars..

I have Comet. If you can't find anywhere else to get the manual from,
then I suppose I could type some of it up for you. *grumble* *grumble*
23 pages long *grumble* *grumble* *grumble*.

I'm not so sure about helping with a software project though. I've got
lots of other things that I _should_ be doing, but aren't 'cause I'm too
damn lazy, so I doubt I'd be much use here. Perhaps you'd be more likely
to get a response if you posted a few more details? (Although on the
other hand, you might not want to give too much away at this stage.)

-- 
James Gasson



Re: Any one got a Comet (the assembler) manual or

1999-08-02 Thread Lars Persson
Hi there James! I would really appriciate just a couple of pages of the 
comet manual, not the whole thing, just how to load/ save files. When it 
comes to the Vertical shooter , I already have some great graphics, but 
might need some additions. Could post some screenshots if any one is 
intressted.



Best Wishes Lars

From: Gasson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Any one got a Comet (the assembler) manual or
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 01:21:23 +0100

Lars Persson wrote:
 Some kind of short manual. I have n't used for many years now so I'm a
 little rusty and I have a lot of unfinished projects to finish of the 
the
 Coupé. And also, if any one is intressed in helping me finish up a 
vertical

 Shoot em up for the Coupe I would really appriciate it. (Like designing
 alien pattern, levels , sound fx etc)

 Best wishes Lars..

I have Comet. If you can't find anywhere else to get the manual from,
then I suppose I could type some of it up for you. *grumble* *grumble*
23 pages long *grumble* *grumble* *grumble*.

I'm not so sure about helping with a software project though. I've got
lots of other things that I _should_ be doing, but aren't 'cause I'm too
damn lazy, so I doubt I'd be much use here. Perhaps you'd be more likely
to get a response if you posted a few more details? (Although on the
other hand, you might not want to give too much away at this stage.)

--
James Gasson





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manual

1999-06-12 Thread jadams1

Is there anyone out there can give/sell me the sam coupe manual. I aslo need
printed material about Sam



Re: Manual

1999-06-02 Thread Ian Collier
On Tue, Jun 01, 1999 at 10:45:44AM +0100, Lee Willis wrote:
 Well it's entitled to, as far as HTML 3.2 is concerned /p tags are not
 necessary and shouldn't be used to force breaks 

Well, no, but it's valid HTML and if it works then what the hey.

 This paragraph
 p
 hr
 pNext paragraph

 Which you should be using to force the space.

No.  One of the very first style guides I read (probably back at HTML 1)
said explicitly don't write phr.  You can't guarantee that any
particular browser will add a blank line.  The hr tag implies the end
of the paragraph - how can a horizontal line be part of a paragraph?  So
what you've written there is a paragraph with no text in it - I don't know
whether that's valid HTML but if it is then the browser is completely at
liberty to ignore the empty paragraph.

imc


Re: Manual

1999-06-02 Thread Lee Willis
Ian Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, Jun 01, 1999 at 10:45:44AM +0100, Lee Willis wrote:
  Well it's entitled to, as far as HTML 3.2 is concerned /p tags are not
  necessary and shouldn't be used to force breaks 
 
 Well, no, but it's valid HTML and if it works then what the hey.

Yes but the question is *why* it works, ie because the browser converts
it to what I said

  p
  hr
  pNext paragraph

The reason he was getting a break when he had the /p was because his
browser was in effect treating it as an p.  The hr on its own
doesn't give a break and so when he loses the /p (And therefore the
implied p) he gets no break because the hr is treated as part of the
paragraph (Wrongly I agree, but that's what happens!)

  Which you should be using to force the space.

Hmm, yeah OK

s/\./ in most common browsers./:)

 The hr tag implies the end of the paragraph - how can a horizontal
 line be part of a paragraph?

Good point, I hadn't actually thought about it too much :( 

 So what you've written there is a paragraph with no text in it

No, it's a paragraph containing a single space, which hence requires
proper spacing as if it were a paragraph containing some visible text.

phr   *is* an empty paragraph and could be folded out

 don't know whether that's valid HTML

It is.

 completely at liberty to ignore the empty paragraph.

Well if it was an entirely empty paragraph then yes it is, but it isn't
it contains a space (Well actually a new line, but that is in essence
'whitespace') and thus is not empty per se.

Lee.
-- 
I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ...  
For some reason my mom insists on calling it Playing with blocks


Re: Manual

1999-06-02 Thread Ian Collier
On Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 11:32:22AM +0100, Lee Willis wrote:
  So what you've written there is a paragraph with no text in it

 No, it's a paragraph containing a single space, which hence requires
 proper spacing as if it were a paragraph containing some visible text.

I think not.  Try this:

pHello/p
p
/p
p
/p
p
/p
pWorld./p

Do you see enough space for three blank paragraphs in there?  I don't.
Whitespace doesn't count at the start of a paragraph; otherwise,

p and   phello
hello

would look different.  That's why certain broken HTML generators insert
pnbsp;/p to make blank lines.  That really is a paragraph with a
space in it.

imc


Re: Manual

1999-06-02 Thread Lee Willis
Justin Skists [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I didn't think /p existed...

Yep, it's just not necessary, it's implied by things like p, hr
etc. etc.

 My experience seems to suggest that unless you use certain tags, such
 as PRE and /PRE, the browser is at liberty to ignore whitespace as
 appropriate. eg:

Not ignore as such ... basically any sequence of whitespace (space,
newline, or tab characters) is flattened to a single space.

Lee.
-- 
I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ...  
For some reason my mom insists on calling it Playing with blocks


Re: Manual

1999-06-02 Thread Lee Willis
Ian Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 11:32:22AM +0100, Lee Willis wrote:
   So what you've written there is a paragraph with no text in it
 
  No, it's a paragraph containing a single space, which hence requires
  proper spacing as if it were a paragraph containing some visible text.
 
 I think not.  Try this:
[Snipped]

 Do you see enough space for three blank paragraphs in there?  I don't.
 Whitespace doesn't count at the start of a paragraph; otherwise,

No because all the whitespace caused by the three paragraphs is folded
into a single one ...

 p and   phello
 hello

Whitespace caused by a paragraph tag p is the same conceptually as
whitespace caused by spaces, tabs or newlines, hence the space
immediately following a paragraph is folded away into /dev/null as it were.

 would look different.  That's why certain broken HTML generators insert
 pnbsp;/p to make blank lines.  That really is a paragraph with a
 space in it.
^^
non-breaking

I don't think I explained my last email very well so it may seem at
odds. I've worried about this sort of thing a lot in the past (My final
year project at Uni was a web-browser!) so I know in my head how it all
works but exaplaining it ain't too easy especially when I'm rushing 'coz
I'm at work and I have six-zillion other things to worry about!)

Lee.
-- 
I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ...  
For some reason my mom insists on calling it Playing with blocks


Re: Manual

1999-06-01 Thread Graham Goring
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James R Curry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Testify!  Testify!

Bit late for that, OJ was found innocent, y'know...

Graham Goring

-- 

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Re: Manual

1999-06-01 Thread Lee Willis
Stuart Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Yes, but gecko has to use HTML 4, and other bloated standards. It'd be
 better if people just used a new markup language, which works. HTML 4 is
 not exactly easy to write with a text editor, as far as I can see. I
 took one look at W3C's documentation and gave up.
 
 All the editors that do exist are awful. Netscape's editor removes /p
 tags, so if you've got an hr between paragraphs, the space before the
 line is removed - even on Communicator.

Well it's entitled to, as far as HTML 3.2 is concerned /p tags are not
necessary and shouldn't be used to force breaks like you seem to be
using them to, all that happens when you render

This paragraph
/p
hr
pNext paragraph

is that the browser treats it exactly as if you had written

This paragraph
p
hr
pNext paragraph

Which you should be using to force the space. Do this and if Netscape's
editor removes the p I'll be surprised :)

Lee.
-- 
I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ...  
For some reason my mom insists on calling it Playing with blocks


Re: Manual

1999-05-31 Thread James R Curry
Through judicious use of monkeys and typewriters, Robert van der Veeke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] came up with...
But seriously, I love those buttons wich switch colors to standard ones and
remove backgrounds. Or with one click you switch off all the images, quite
usefull when someone has more than 750k worth of pictures on his frontpage.

My word!  Another Opera user??  Cool!  :)

Opera is a small, rather fast and simple browser and nothing more, that is
what i like about it. 

Testify!  Testify!

-- 
James R Curry


Re: Manual

1999-05-30 Thread Paul Walker
On Thu, 27 May 1999, Ian Collier wrote:

  Try IE5.
 Maybe.  When they release a version for Linux.

Coming soon.

Paul




Re: Manual

1999-05-28 Thread Ian Collier
On Thu, May 27, 1999 at 12:31:54PM -0700, Simon Cooke wrote:
 Try IE5.

Maybe.  When they release a version for Linux.

imc


RE: Manual

1999-05-28 Thread Justin Skists
 From: Andrew Collier [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
At 8:34 pm +0100 27/5/99, Simon Cooke wrote:

We ... we ... us ... we've ... we ... Si (Not speaking for MS)

If you're not speaking for Microsoft, then who on earth _are_ you speaking
for??

Oh my gawd!! We've uncovered a coup in MS's organisation led by Simon
Cooke!!! :)

Jut.


Re: Manual

1999-05-28 Thread Stuart Brady
On Thu, 27 May 1999, Thomas Harte wrote:

   Tried any mozilla milestones? They are surprisingly good. Significantly
more memory friendly that Netscape 4.5. Looks like 5.0 will be a quite
good piece of work.

Yes, but gecko has to use HTML 4, and other bloated standards. It'd be
better if people just used a new markup language, which works. HTML 4 is
not exactly easy to write with a text editor, as far as I can see. I
took one look at W3C's documentation and gave up.

All the editors that do exist are awful. Netscape's editor removes /p
tags, so if you've got an hr between paragraphs, the space before the
line is removed - even on Communicator.
-- 
Stuart Brady


Re: Manual

1999-05-28 Thread Stuart Brady
On Thu, 27 May 1999, Simon Cooke wrote:

[snip]

Netscape is just as bad. Maybe worse.
-- 
Stuart Brady


Re: Manual

1999-05-27 Thread Robert van der Veeke
 Van: Stuart Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
 Onderwerp: Re: Manual
 Datum: woensdag, mei 26, 1999 10:20

 HTML was doing fairly well until Microsoft and Netscape screwed it up -
 as soon as you get commercial interest, you get splits in the standard.
 Netscape added some screwey frames support, and Microsoft added
 scrolling text and fonts.

That is why i use Opera :) If your page looks good on opera than you can be
quite sure that both Netrape and Exploder will screw things up.

-- 
Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Currently listening to : The Phantom Menace OST


Re: Manual

1999-05-27 Thread Paul Walker
On Thu, 27 May 1999, Robert van der Veeke wrote:

 That is why i use Opera :) If your page looks good on opera than you can be
 quite sure that both Netrape and Exploder will screw things up.

Yes, but using Opera is something akin to self-flagellation.

Paul




Re: Manual

1999-05-27 Thread Robert van der Veeke
 Van: Paul Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Aan: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
 Onderwerp: Re: Manual
 Datum: donderdag, mei 27, 1999 12:04

 Yes, but using Opera is something akin to self-flagellation.

Mhh ... ^_^

But seriously, I love those buttons wich switch colors to standard ones and
remove backgrounds. Or with one click you switch off all the images, quite
usefull when someone has more than 750k worth of pictures on his frontpage.

Opera is a small, rather fast and simple browser and nothing more, that is
what i like about it. 

To move back on a sort of Sam related topic, Martijn has finished another
version of his Spectrum emulator (you know harddisc, CD-rom etc.), and has
made a Atom-compatible version of Stefan Drissens mod-player wich i am
currently testing. And we started somehow working on a rather naughty demo
:)

I should put those on my soon (that could take another month or two) to be
announced new website, really :)

-- 
Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Currently listening to : The Phantom Menace OST


Re: Manual

1999-05-27 Thread Stuart Brady
On Thu, 27 May 1999, Robert van der Veeke wrote:

That is why i use Opera :) If your page looks good on opera than you can be
quite sure that both Netrape and Exploder will screw things up.

I really want a free browser, written by people who care about it's
quality, instead of staying one step ahead of the competition. It's just
sad when you can't even view the W3C's site without having to enable
override document colours in your web browser. W3C is truly pathetic.
-- 
Stuart Brady


Re: Manual

1999-05-27 Thread Thomas Harte
 I really want a free browser, written by people who care about it's
 quality, instead of staying one step ahead of the competition. It's just
 sad when you can't even view the W3C's site without having to enable
 override document colours in your web browser. W3C is truly pathetic.

Tried any mozilla milestones? They are surprisingly good. Significantly
more memory friendly that Netscape 4.5. Looks like 5.0 will be a quite
good piece of work.

-Thomas


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