Re: Nyan Cat
:-> http://www.dandoore.com/coupe/downloads/nyancat.zip Dan. On 10/11/2012 19:54, Aleš Keprt wrote: I didn't finish it last winter. Actually, I finished the Nyancat itself, I also finished the compression system (I use all RAM for frame buffers, but keep it in one small 32 KB file on disk) but I wanted to add some text scroller. I'm afraid I am not going to have more time to work on it until next winter. Aley -Původní zpráva- From: Simon Owen Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:53 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat On 12/05/2012 22:34, Aleš Keprt wrote: We have the program done, including graphics and music. I also added a tiny text scroller and now I need to write some text to put there. :-) Did you ever finish this? It'd be great to see how it compares to the Speccy version. Si
RE: Nyan Cat
Hmm, I should finish that off soon, been soo snowed under at work :( Adrian -Original Message- From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On Behalf Of Simon Owen Sent: 09 November 2012 20:16 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat On 12/05/2012 22:34, Aleš Keprt wrote: We have the program done, including graphics and music. I also added a tiny text scroller and now I need to write some text to put there. :-) Did you ever finish this? It'd be great to see how it compares to the Speccy version. Si
Re: Nyan Cat
I didn't finish it last winter. Actually, I finished the Nyancat itself, I also finished the compression system (I use all RAM for frame buffers, but keep it in one small 32 KB file on disk) but I wanted to add some text scroller. I'm afraid I am not going to have more time to work on it until next winter. Aley -Původní zpráva- From: Simon Owen Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:53 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat On 12/05/2012 22:34, Aleš Keprt wrote: We have the program done, including graphics and music. I also added a tiny text scroller and now I need to write some text to put there. :-) Did you ever finish this? It'd be great to see how it compares to the Speccy version. Si
Re: Nyan Cat
On 12/05/2012 22:34, Aleš Keprt wrote: We have the program done, including graphics and music. I also added a tiny text scroller and now I need to write some text to put there. :-) Did you ever finish this? It'd be great to see how it compares to the Speccy version. Si
RE: Nyan Cat
Are you saying that you've created a youtube client for the trinity interface? ;-) -Original Message- From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On Behalf Of Adrian Brown Sent: zaterdag 12 mei 2012 02:40 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: Nyan Cat Ok, so who is looking at Nyan cat, I reckon if I wasn't clever and said it was 512kb only it would take about 2 hours, to be clever on a 256kb sam it would take about 3-4. ;)
Re: Nyan Cat
Ha! Not too many takers all at once eh? I'm thinking about it... If it was an online demo party I'm not sure we could all get the time together, but I'm willing to try. Howard On 12/05/2012 01:39, Adrian Brown wrote: Ok, so who is looking at Nyan cat, I reckon if I wasn't clever and said it was 512kb only it would take about 2 hours, to be clever on a 256kb sam it would take about 3-4. ;)
RE: Nyan Cat
If I get this work done tonight I might spend an hour or two knocking something up. I want to do a few things on another sam project first though. Adrian -Original Message- From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On Behalf Of Balor Price Sent: 12 May 2012 19:31 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat Ha! Not too many takers all at once eh? I'm thinking about it... If it was an online demo party I'm not sure we could all get the time together, but I'm willing to try. Howard On 12/05/2012 01:39, Adrian Brown wrote: Ok, so who is looking at Nyan cat, I reckon if I wasn't clever and said it was 512kb only it would take about 2 hours, to be clever on a 256kb sam it would take about 3-4. ;)
Re: Nyan Cat
We don't need to talk endlessly about it, do we? We have the program done, including graphics and music. I also added a tiny text scroller and now I need to write some text to put there. :-) The size of whole program is approx. 50 KB (unpacked), including the AY8910 emulator for music. A. -Původní zpráva- From: Balor Price Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:27 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat Ha! Not too many takers all at once eh? I'm thinking about it... If it was an online demo party I'm not sure we could all get the time together, but I'm willing to try. Howard On 12/05/2012 01:39, Adrian Brown wrote: Ok, so who is looking at Nyan cat, I reckon if I wasn't clever and said it was 512kb only it would take about 2 hours, to be clever on a 256kb sam it would take about 3-4. ;) - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
RE: Nyan Cat
Ok, so who is looking at Nyan cat, I reckon if I wasn't clever and said it was 512kb only it would take about 2 hours, to be clever on a 256kb sam it would take about 3-4. ;)
Re: Nyan Cat
On 24 Apr 2012, at 21:29, Simon Owen wrote: Getting most of it running probably wouldn't take very long, but getting the timing right could be a challenge. Changing the 128K screen flips and crudely tweaking the DJNZ timing loops gives this: http://obo.homeip.net/nyanhack.gif (loop every ~4 seconds, not seamless) The rainbow timing slips out below the cat, so the scroller display is completely wrong. Fixing it would be fiddly even with source code, so I'm not convinced it's worth additional effort to patch the Speccy version. Roll on the native version(s)! Si
Re: Nyan Cat
On 23 April 2012 21:34, Thomas Harte tomh.retros...@gmail.com wrote: If it's for some sort of quick attempt at multipart megademo (albeit with all the parts being extremely similar), would it be safe to assume that someone [else] is working on the music? I'd love to be able to contribute but music is completely beyond me. I'm loathe to put myself forward for this, but what the hell. I'll convert the music :-)
Re: Nyan Cat
My conversion of original graphics is already finished, so I look forward to your music. :-) I wanted to ask for help the people who did music for some other 8bit conversion(s). Aley From: David Sanders Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:59 AM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat On 23 April 2012 21:34, Thomas Harte tomh.retros...@gmail.com wrote: If it's for some sort of quick attempt at multipart megademo (albeit with all the parts being extremely similar), would it be safe to assume that someone [else] is working on the music? I'd love to be able to contribute but music is completely beyond me. I'm loathe to put myself forward for this, but what the hell. I'll convert the music :-) - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
Re: Nyan Cat
I had a brief look at it; given that the originals are 400x400 (and, as you noted, not actually simply an upscaling of a smaller size, despite consciously adopting that look), I assume you repainted by hand? On 24 April 2012 11:13, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote: My conversion of original graphics is already finished, so I look forward to your music. :-) I wanted to ask for help the people who did music for some other 8bit conversion(s). Aley From: David Sanders Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:59 AM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat On 23 April 2012 21:34, Thomas Harte tomh.retros...@gmail.com wrote: If it's for some sort of quick attempt at multipart megademo (albeit with all the parts being extremely similar), would it be safe to assume that someone [else] is working on the music? I'd love to be able to contribute but music is completely beyond me. I'm loathe to put myself forward for this, but what the hell. I'll convert the music :-) - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
Re: Nyan Cat
On 23 Apr 2012, at 21:35, James R Curry wrote: Just port the original. I've had a quick look and there are oodles of unrolled code blocks and fixed delay loops for display timing. Getting most of it running probably wouldn't take very long, but getting the timing right could be a challenge. It might be worth a try, if I find the time, and if someone else hasn't already done it by then. It'd still be nice to have a native SAM version to add to the official list, but it sounds like others on the list have that covered :) Si
Re: Nyan Cat
Oh yes, I repainted it a bit to let it fit to Sam's screen and still look 99% like original. Or as much as possible. I would rather stop this discussion until it is published. Aley -Původní zpráva- From: Thomas Harte Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 8:56 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat I had a brief look at it; given that the originals are 400x400 (and, as you noted, not actually simply an upscaling of a smaller size, despite consciously adopting that look), I assume you repainted by hand? On 24 April 2012 11:13, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote: My conversion of original graphics is already finished, so I look forward to your music. :-) I wanted to ask for help the people who did music for some other 8bit conversion(s). Aley From: David Sanders Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:59 AM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat On 23 April 2012 21:34, Thomas Harte tomh.retros...@gmail.com wrote: If it's for some sort of quick attempt at multipart megademo (albeit with all the parts being extremely similar), would it be safe to assume that someone [else] is working on the music? I'd love to be able to contribute but music is completely beyond me. I'm loathe to put myself forward for this, but what the hell. I'll convert the music :-) - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
Re: Nyan Cat
The strangest decision regarding Mode 2 is keeping the BRIGHT and FLASH attributes. Without those, the Ink and Paper colours could each be any of the sixteen colours. As it is, the select colours have to both be in the range 0-7 or 8-15, not one in each range. Incidentally, has anyone thought about clever use of Mode 2 and attributes to create a game that runs at a super low resolution, like 64 x 96 (using 4x2 pixel blocks)? It could run at a high frame rate... it might be an interesting experiment
Re: Nyan Cat
I guess it was easy to put in something like an optional shift right by three to compose scan line number and column number when fetching attributes, hence to allow Mode 1 and 2, but would have been harder to have alternative attribute interpretation logic? I'm unsure why they decided to go bright + flash in the Spectrum, to be honest. Was flashing a must have feature of the 1982 computer market? I think I'm right to say the American Timex machines have the equivalent of Mode 2? A pretend 64x96 mode could allow for some neat effects. I'll wager you could do Wolfenstein in it, based on the CPC seemingly being to cope in its 64-bytes-for-128-pixels mode, per YouTube. Following that line of logic through, anything on the CPC that isn't using a hardware scroll should be an option. 2012/4/24 James R Curry 8...@itdoesntsuck.com: The strangest decision regarding Mode 2 is keeping the BRIGHT and FLASH attributes. Without those, the Ink and Paper colours could each be any of the sixteen colours. As it is, the select colours have to both be in the range 0-7 or 8-15, not one in each range. Incidentally, has anyone thought about clever use of Mode 2 and attributes to create a game that runs at a super low resolution, like 64 x 96 (using 4x2 pixel blocks)? It could run at a high frame rate... it might be an interesting experiment
Re: Nyan Cat
Oh, you are right. I forgot this. Bright and Flash. The only thing I regularly used mode 2 for were text scrollers, because it is very easy to make a slow 1 pixel per frame scroller in mode 2, and it is a bit more harder in mode 4 because it's slow. (I switched to mode 2 only part of the screen to show to text and then switched back to mode 4.) Aley -Původní zpráva- From: James R Curry Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 12:33 AM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat The strangest decision regarding Mode 2 is keeping the BRIGHT and FLASH attributes. Without those, the Ink and Paper colours could each be any of the sixteen colours. As it is, the select colours have to both be in the range 0-7 or 8-15, not one in each range. Incidentally, has anyone thought about clever use of Mode 2 and attributes to create a game that runs at a super low resolution, like 64 x 96 (using 4x2 pixel blocks)? It could run at a high frame rate... it might be an interesting experiment= - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
Re: Nyan Cat
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 04:16:28PM -0700, Thomas Harte wrote: I'm unsure why they decided to go bright + flash in the Spectrum, to be honest. Was flashing a must have feature of the 1982 computer market? No but you forget one thing... the cursor. :-) imc
Re: Nyan Cat
Agreed on James' comments re:Wolfenstein; from here in 2012, I'm much more able to suspend by disbelief for Elite, though I think Wolfenstein's problems go far beyond merely the style of graphics. I'd also forgotten the Manic Miner loading screen! Thank goodness for the flash attribute! On 24 April 2012 16:41, Ian Collier ian.coll...@cs.ox.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 04:16:28PM -0700, Thomas Harte wrote: I'm unsure why they decided to go bright + flash in the Spectrum, to be honest. Was flashing a must have feature of the 1982 computer market? No but you forget one thing... the cursor. :-) imc
Re: Nyan Cat
Quoting Thomas Harte tomh.retros...@gmail.com: I'd also forgotten the Manic Miner loading screen! Thank goodness for the flash attribute! Wish we could have done a MODE 2 version of that with the SAM Version! :)
Re: Nyan Cat
Given that, at least going from my memory, there was space to spare in the original ZX Spectrum ROM, the flashing cursor in Spectrum BASIC could have quite easily been implemented with interrupts and each character square could have had complete freedom to pick any two of sixteen colours. But what do they say about hindsight? On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Ian Collier ian.coll...@cs.ox.ac.ukwrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 04:16:28PM -0700, Thomas Harte wrote: I'm unsure why they decided to go bright + flash in the Spectrum, to be honest. Was flashing a must have feature of the 1982 computer market? No but you forget one thing... the cursor. :-) imc -- James R Curry 8...@itdoesntsuck.com
Re: Nyan Cat
Per The Register's extended article celebrating the Spectrum's birthday yesterday, there was more than a kilobyte of spare space in the ROM but they intended to put the Microdrive stuff in there before shipping. In the event it wasn't ready in time and the machine sold too well for the intended free ROM upgrade to make economic sense. So, with hindsight: • no flash attribute (ideally starting on the Spectrum, but at least in Mode 2); • a graphics mode that uses the Mode 2 amount of data for 128 non-attributed pixels per line; • hardware scrolling. Hooray for hindsight! On 24 April 2012 16:45, James R Curry 8...@itdoesntsuck.com wrote: Given that, at least going from my memory, there was space to spare in the original ZX Spectrum ROM, the flashing cursor in Spectrum BASIC could have quite easily been implemented with interrupts and each character square could have had complete freedom to pick any two of sixteen colours. But what do they say about hindsight? On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Ian Collier ian.coll...@cs.ox.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 04:16:28PM -0700, Thomas Harte wrote: I'm unsure why they decided to go bright + flash in the Spectrum, to be honest. Was flashing a must have feature of the 1982 computer market? No but you forget one thing... the cursor. :-) imc -- James R Curry 8...@itdoesntsuck.com
RE: Nyan Cat
I wonder if this will spawn several renditions of a sam version i'm going to give it a go too :-) Andy -Original Message- From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On Behalf Of Aleš Keprt Sent: 23 April 2012 02:06 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat I analyzed the original video - the whole animation consists of 12 frames only. So this part is easy. :-) Aley -Původní zpráva- From: Aleš Keprt Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:42 AM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat I think normal mode 4 + normal music would be OK. I would rather see it finished in basic variant then to read 100 mails on theory what can be done. ;-) I believe mode 4 is achievable. It is small, it is repeated and it seems to me that all states of the cat can fit into a few screen pages so we would draw just stars. Plus standard music, samples aren't needed for this. So who is going to do it? :-))) A. -Původní zpráva- From: Andrew Collier Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 10:57 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat Yeah, 4-pixel squares in mode 2 would be easy enough. An authentic facsimile in Mode 1 would be tricky as there are squares with more than 2 colours in. Achievable with rainbow processing, but that seems a bit of a faff... Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 21:34, Tommo H wrote: Based on the Spectrum version, you could probably do it in Mode 1 or 2, just using the attributes? On 22 Apr 2012, at 13:32, Andrew Collier and...@intensity.org.uk wrote: so this is what people do on the internet these days, is it? Actually it does remind me a bit of the kind of stuff that ended up on early issues of Fred... You'd need to draw the stars manually, but that should be achievable. Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 19:45, James R Curry wrote: There are few enough frames that it could easily be done with screen swapping with a sampled version of the music playing. -- James R Curry On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote: Do we have Nyan Cat on Sam Coupe? Somebody should make a conversion. wlEmoticon-smile[1].png original version, Atari 800, ZX Spectrum, Commodore C16, Atari 2600: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5v9Qo6XzA Amstrad CPC version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfD3WxgaiXo BBC Micro version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVQdx3dJ1c If you don't have time to watch it all, here is a short 100h summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5DsLzSVrk Sam Coupe version: ??? - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
Re: Nyan Cat
The graphics are no problem whatsoever but the sound would be completely beyond me. Listening to the original (non-8 bit) version shows the song to have a vocal so if that weren't the case I'd probably do the graphics in 4x4 blocks in Mode 2 and get that whole footprint down to 10kb or so, then spend everything else on music. Even then I assume someone would need to come up with a MOD-style version of the track... Vaguely related: does anyone know where I can get hold of Sam dos as a binary blob, outside of a disk image, for the purposes of being able to assemble things conveniently? I can find disk image file extraction tools for Windows only, making them quite useless. On 23 Apr 2012, at 08:07, Andrew Park alp...@ntlworld.com wrote: I wonder if this will spawn several renditions of a sam version i'm going to give it a go too :-) Andy -Original Message- From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On Behalf Of Aleš Keprt Sent: 23 April 2012 02:06 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat I analyzed the original video - the whole animation consists of 12 frames only. So this part is easy. :-) Aley -Původní zpráva- From: Aleš Keprt Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:42 AM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat I think normal mode 4 + normal music would be OK. I would rather see it finished in basic variant then to read 100 mails on theory what can be done. ;-) I believe mode 4 is achievable. It is small, it is repeated and it seems to me that all states of the cat can fit into a few screen pages so we would draw just stars. Plus standard music, samples aren't needed for this. So who is going to do it? :-))) A. -Původní zpráva- From: Andrew Collier Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 10:57 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat Yeah, 4-pixel squares in mode 2 would be easy enough. An authentic facsimile in Mode 1 would be tricky as there are squares with more than 2 colours in. Achievable with rainbow processing, but that seems a bit of a faff... Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 21:34, Tommo H wrote: Based on the Spectrum version, you could probably do it in Mode 1 or 2, just using the attributes? On 22 Apr 2012, at 13:32, Andrew Collier and...@intensity.org.uk wrote: so this is what people do on the internet these days, is it? Actually it does remind me a bit of the kind of stuff that ended up on early issues of Fred... You'd need to draw the stars manually, but that should be achievable. Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 19:45, James R Curry wrote: There are few enough frames that it could easily be done with screen swapping with a sampled version of the music playing. -- James R Curry On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote: Do we have Nyan Cat on Sam Coupe? Somebody should make a conversion. wlEmoticon-smile[1].png original version, Atari 800, ZX Spectrum, Commodore C16, Atari 2600: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5v9Qo6XzA Amstrad CPC version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfD3WxgaiXo BBC Micro version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVQdx3dJ1c If you don't have time to watch it all, here is a short 100h summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5DsLzSVrk Sam Coupe version: ??? - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
Re: Nyan Cat
On 23 April 2012 17:16, Tommo H tomh.retros...@gmail.com wrote: Vaguely related: does anyone know where I can get hold of Sam dos as a binary blob, outside of a disk image, for the purposes of being able ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/temp/samdos2 to assemble things conveniently? I can find disk image file extraction tools for Windows only, making them quite useless. dskman might be what you are looking for, BTW. -Frode
Re: Nyan Cat
On 23/04/2012 16:16, Tommo H wrote: Vaguely related: does anyone know where I can get hold of Sam dos as a binary blob, outside of a disk image, for the purposes of being able to assemble things conveniently? Most of my SAM projects on GitHub should include samdos2. They also use pyz80's -I option to add it to the output image before the auto-executing code file. That's usually plenty for development, even if I manually add a BASIC wrapper later for the release. Si
Re: Nyan Cat
That's exactly the build system I use, except that I'd managed to misplace my copy of dos. A quick call to open at the end and I'm straight into Sim Coupe, or at least I used to be. The SDL you've linked with appears to be broken under 10.7 in some ways, especially relating to the way the new OS supplies help in restoring sessions, but I'll send a bug report properly and privately when I've had a chance properly to gather evidence. Re: Samdos, is it definitely legal for redistribution? I thought we had explicit clearance but I notice that it's 'not yet approved' on World of Sam. On 23 Apr 2012, at 09:30, Simon Owen simon.o...@simcoupe.org wrote: On 23/04/2012 16:16, Tommo H wrote: Vaguely related: does anyone know where I can get hold of Sam dos as a binary blob, outside of a disk image, for the purposes of being able to assemble things conveniently? Most of my SAM projects on GitHub should include samdos2. They also use pyz80's -I option to add it to the output image before the auto-executing code file. That's usually plenty for development, even if I manually add a BASIC wrapper later for the release. Si
Re: Nyan Cat
On 23 April 2012 18:10, Tommo H tomh.retros...@gmail.com wrote: Re: Samdos, is it definitely legal for redistribution? I thought we had explicit clearance but I notice that it's 'not yet approved' on World of Sam. I've fixed this, it must have been overlooked previously. Dr Andy Wright gave a blanket grant for his Sam-related materials. Andrew
Re: Nyan Cat
This is a great idea.
I am going to make it. I mean one part of it.
Aley
From: James R Curry
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 5:14 PM
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat
I'm looking forward to the Nyan Cat Megademo.
5 interpretations of Nyan Cat in one demo by five same coders!
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Andrew Park alp...@ntlworld.com wrote:
I wonder if this will spawn several renditions of a sam version i'm going to
give it a go too :-)
Andy
-Original Message-
From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On
Behalf Of Aleš Keprt
Sent: 23 April 2012 02:06
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat
I analyzed the original video - the whole animation consists of 12 frames
only. So this part is easy. :-) Aley
-Původní zpráva-
From: Aleš Keprt
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:42 AM
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat
I think normal mode 4 + normal music would be OK. I would rather see it
finished in basic variant then to read 100 mails on theory what can be done.
;-)
I believe mode 4 is achievable. It is small, it is repeated and it seems to
me that all states of the cat can fit into a few screen pages so we would
draw just stars. Plus standard music, samples aren't needed for this.
So who is going to do it? :-)))
A.
-Původní zpráva-
From: Andrew Collier
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 10:57 PM
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat
Yeah, 4-pixel squares in mode 2 would be easy enough.
An authentic facsimile in Mode 1 would be tricky as there are squares with
more than 2 colours in. Achievable with rainbow processing, but that seems a
bit of a faff...
Andrew
On 22 Apr 2012, at 21:34, Tommo H wrote:
Based on the Spectrum version, you could probably do it in Mode 1 or
2, just using the attributes?
On 22 Apr 2012, at 13:32, Andrew Collier and...@intensity.org.uk wrote:
so this is what people do on the internet these days, is it?
Actually it does remind me a bit of the kind of stuff that ended up
on early issues of Fred...
You'd need to draw the stars manually, but that should be achievable.
Andrew
On 22 Apr 2012, at 19:45, James R Curry wrote:
There are few enough frames that it could easily be done with screen
swapping with a sampled version of the music playing.
--
James R Curry
On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote:
Do we have Nyan Cat on Sam Coupe? Somebody should make a conversion.
wlEmoticon-smile[1].png
original version, Atari 800, ZX Spectrum, Commodore C16, Atari 2600:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5v9Qo6XzA
Amstrad CPC version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfD3WxgaiXo
BBC Micro version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVQdx3dJ1c
If you don't have time to watch it all, here is a short 100h summary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5DsLzSVrk
Sam Coupe version: ???
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Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D.
private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz
office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc,
ales.ke...@mvso.cz
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Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D.
private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz
office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
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Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D.
private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz
office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
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James R Curry
8...@itdoesntsuck.com
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Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D.
private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz
office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
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Re: Nyan Cat
Yes there is a vocal. The problem is that 4x4 is too low resolution to reproduce the original animation with all detail. You actually need 2x2 to reproduce the whole original or 3x3 if you can live with parts being cut on top and bottom. btw. Why MGT designed mode 2 this way instead of low-res 2x2 pixel mode (i.e. 128x96) with 4 bits per each 2x2 block? That would look more similar to C64 and Amstrad CPC, and it would allow us to have a nice and fast action games. Now we have 2 bytes per 8 pixels in mode 2, but only with two colours. I'd prefer to have these 2 bytes for 4 larger pixels so that each pixel could have any one of 16 colours in palette. Aley -Původní zpráva- From: Tommo H Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 5:16 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat The graphics are no problem whatsoever but the sound would be completely beyond me. Listening to the original (non-8 bit) version shows the song to have a vocal so if that weren't the case I'd probably do the graphics in 4x4 blocks in Mode 2 and get that whole footprint down to 10kb or so, then spend everything else on music. Even then I assume someone would need to come up with a MOD-style version of the track... Vaguely related: does anyone know where I can get hold of Sam dos as a binary blob, outside of a disk image, for the purposes of being able to assemble things conveniently? I can find disk image file extraction tools for Windows only, making them quite useless. On 23 Apr 2012, at 08:07, Andrew Park alp...@ntlworld.com wrote: I wonder if this will spawn several renditions of a sam version i'm going to give it a go too :-) Andy -Original Message- From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On Behalf Of Aleš Keprt Sent: 23 April 2012 02:06 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat I analyzed the original video - the whole animation consists of 12 frames only. So this part is easy. :-) Aley -Původní zpráva- From: Aleš Keprt Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:42 AM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat I think normal mode 4 + normal music would be OK. I would rather see it finished in basic variant then to read 100 mails on theory what can be done. ;-) I believe mode 4 is achievable. It is small, it is repeated and it seems to me that all states of the cat can fit into a few screen pages so we would draw just stars. Plus standard music, samples aren't needed for this. So who is going to do it? :-))) A. -Původní zpráva- From: Andrew Collier Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 10:57 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat Yeah, 4-pixel squares in mode 2 would be easy enough. An authentic facsimile in Mode 1 would be tricky as there are squares with more than 2 colours in. Achievable with rainbow processing, but that seems a bit of a faff... Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 21:34, Tommo H wrote: Based on the Spectrum version, you could probably do it in Mode 1 or 2, just using the attributes? On 22 Apr 2012, at 13:32, Andrew Collier and...@intensity.org.uk wrote: so this is what people do on the internet these days, is it? Actually it does remind me a bit of the kind of stuff that ended up on early issues of Fred... You'd need to draw the stars manually, but that should be achievable. Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 19:45, James R Curry wrote: There are few enough frames that it could easily be done with screen swapping with a sampled version of the music playing. -- James R Curry On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote: Do we have Nyan Cat on Sam Coupe? Somebody should make a conversion. wlEmoticon-smile[1].png original version, Atari 800, ZX Spectrum, Commodore C16, Atari 2600: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5v9Qo6XzA Amstrad CPC version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfD3WxgaiXo BBC Micro version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVQdx3dJ1c If you don't have time to watch it all, here is a short 100h summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5DsLzSVrk Sam Coupe version: ??? - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
Re: Nyan Cat
On 23/04/2012 20:42, Aleš Keprt wrote: Yes there is a vocal. The problem is that 4x4 is too low resolution to reproduce the original animation with all detail. You actually need 2x2 to reproduce the whole original or 3x3 if you can live with parts being cut on top and bottom. Looks like the pixels aren't all the same size. Watch his head move, it changes aspect ratio even though there's no animation, just movement... Hang on, am I really doing this??!! (reality kicks in) Hell no!! Not until I finish some /real/ stuff anyway Howard
Re: Nyan Cat
Quoting Balor Price toberm...@cookingcircle.co.uk: Hang on, am I really doing this??!! (reality kicks in) Hell no!! Not until I finish some /real/ stuff anyway Howard Do a send-up using the SAM Robot instead! :)
Re: Nyan Cat
If it's for some sort of quick attempt at multipart megademo (albeit with all the parts being extremely similar), would it be safe to assume that someone [else] is working on the music? I'd love to be able to contribute but music is completely beyond me. Re: Aley's comments on a 4bpp 64-byte pitch mode (so, the same number of fetches as Mode 2, even with the same memory layout if they really wanted, but to produce a 128x192 display), I'd have been all for it, even as a replacement for Mode 2. Though obviously hardware scrolling would be quite a way above it on a wish list... On 23 April 2012 13:24, da...@properbastard.co.uk wrote: Quoting Balor Price toberm...@cookingcircle.co.uk: Hang on, am I really doing this??!! (reality kicks in) Hell no!! Not until I finish some /real/ stuff anyway Howard Do a send-up using the SAM Robot instead! :)
Re: Nyan Cat
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:24 PM, da...@properbastard.co.uk wrote: Quoting Balor Price toberm...@cookingcircle.co.uk**: Hang on, am I really doing this??!! (reality kicks in) Hell no!! Not until I finish some /real/ stuff anyway Howard Do a send-up using the SAM Robot instead! :) I hate this idea - there are SO MANY send-up versions of Nyan Cat on Youtube that it ceases to be clever. Just port the original. -- James R Curry 8...@itdoesntsuck.com
Re: Nyan Cat
On 23 Apr 2012, at 18:10, Tommo H tomh.retros...@gmail.com wrote: The SDL you've linked with appears to be broken under 10.7 in some ways, especially relating to the way the new OS supplies help in restoring sessions It might be worth checking you're using SimCoupe 1.0a for OS X, as that was a minor update to fix a Lion issue (crash on startup). That should work back to 10.4, as well as on PPC. Future releases are likely to require 10.5 or later due to the switch to Xcode 4. Si
Re: Nyan Cat
There are few enough frames that it could easily be done with screen swapping with a sampled version of the music playing. -- James R Curry On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote: Do we have Nyan Cat on Sam Coupe? Somebody should make a conversion. wlEmoticon-smile[1].png original version, Atari 800, ZX Spectrum, Commodore C16, Atari 2600: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5v9Qo6XzA Amstrad CPC version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfD3WxgaiXo BBC Micro version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVQdx3dJ1c If you don’t have time to watch it all, here is a “short” 100h summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5DsLzSVrk Sam Coupe version: ??? - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
Re: Nyan Cat
so this is what people do on the internet these days, is it? Actually it does remind me a bit of the kind of stuff that ended up on early issues of Fred... You'd need to draw the stars manually, but that should be achievable. Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 19:45, James R Curry wrote: There are few enough frames that it could easily be done with screen swapping with a sampled version of the music playing. -- James R Curry On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote: Do we have Nyan Cat on Sam Coupe? Somebody should make a conversion. wlEmoticon-smile[1].png original version, Atari 800, ZX Spectrum, Commodore C16, Atari 2600: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5v9Qo6XzA Amstrad CPC version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfD3WxgaiXo BBC Micro version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVQdx3dJ1c If you don’t have time to watch it all, here is a “short” 100h summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5DsLzSVrk Sam Coupe version: ??? - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
Re: Nyan Cat
Based on the Spectrum version, you could probably do it in Mode 1 or 2, just using the attributes? On 22 Apr 2012, at 13:32, Andrew Collier and...@intensity.org.uk wrote: so this is what people do on the internet these days, is it? Actually it does remind me a bit of the kind of stuff that ended up on early issues of Fred... You'd need to draw the stars manually, but that should be achievable. Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 19:45, James R Curry wrote: There are few enough frames that it could easily be done with screen swapping with a sampled version of the music playing. -- James R Curry On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote: Do we have Nyan Cat on Sam Coupe? Somebody should make a conversion. wlEmoticon-smile[1].png original version, Atari 800, ZX Spectrum, Commodore C16, Atari 2600: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5v9Qo6XzA Amstrad CPC version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfD3WxgaiXo BBC Micro version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVQdx3dJ1c If you don't have time to watch it all, here is a short 100h summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5DsLzSVrk Sam Coupe version: ??? - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
Re: Nyan Cat
Yeah, 4-pixel squares in mode 2 would be easy enough. An authentic facsimile in Mode 1 would be tricky as there are squares with more than 2 colours in. Achievable with rainbow processing, but that seems a bit of a faff... Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 21:34, Tommo H wrote: Based on the Spectrum version, you could probably do it in Mode 1 or 2, just using the attributes? On 22 Apr 2012, at 13:32, Andrew Collier and...@intensity.org.uk wrote: so this is what people do on the internet these days, is it? Actually it does remind me a bit of the kind of stuff that ended up on early issues of Fred... You'd need to draw the stars manually, but that should be achievable. Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 19:45, James R Curry wrote: There are few enough frames that it could easily be done with screen swapping with a sampled version of the music playing. -- James R Curry On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote: Do we have Nyan Cat on Sam Coupe? Somebody should make a conversion. wlEmoticon-smile[1].png original version, Atari 800, ZX Spectrum, Commodore C16, Atari 2600: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5v9Qo6XzA Amstrad CPC version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfD3WxgaiXo BBC Micro version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVQdx3dJ1c If you don't have time to watch it all, here is a short 100h summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5DsLzSVrk Sam Coupe version: ??? - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
Re: Nyan Cat
I think normal mode 4 + normal music would be OK. I would rather see it finished in basic variant then to read 100 mails on theory what can be done. ;-) I believe mode 4 is achievable. It is small, it is repeated and it seems to me that all states of the cat can fit into a few screen pages so we would draw just stars. Plus standard music, samples aren't needed for this. So who is going to do it? :-))) A. -Původní zpráva- From: Andrew Collier Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 10:57 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat Yeah, 4-pixel squares in mode 2 would be easy enough. An authentic facsimile in Mode 1 would be tricky as there are squares with more than 2 colours in. Achievable with rainbow processing, but that seems a bit of a faff... Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 21:34, Tommo H wrote: Based on the Spectrum version, you could probably do it in Mode 1 or 2, just using the attributes? On 22 Apr 2012, at 13:32, Andrew Collier and...@intensity.org.uk wrote: so this is what people do on the internet these days, is it? Actually it does remind me a bit of the kind of stuff that ended up on early issues of Fred... You'd need to draw the stars manually, but that should be achievable. Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 19:45, James R Curry wrote: There are few enough frames that it could easily be done with screen swapping with a sampled version of the music playing. -- James R Curry On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote: Do we have Nyan Cat on Sam Coupe? Somebody should make a conversion. wlEmoticon-smile[1].png original version, Atari 800, ZX Spectrum, Commodore C16, Atari 2600: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5v9Qo6XzA Amstrad CPC version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfD3WxgaiXo BBC Micro version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVQdx3dJ1c If you don't have time to watch it all, here is a short 100h summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5DsLzSVrk Sam Coupe version: ??? - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
Re: Nyan Cat
I analyzed the original video - the whole animation consists of 12 frames only. So this part is easy. :-) Aley -Původní zpráva- From: Aleš Keprt Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:42 AM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat I think normal mode 4 + normal music would be OK. I would rather see it finished in basic variant then to read 100 mails on theory what can be done. ;-) I believe mode 4 is achievable. It is small, it is repeated and it seems to me that all states of the cat can fit into a few screen pages so we would draw just stars. Plus standard music, samples aren't needed for this. So who is going to do it? :-))) A. -Původní zpráva- From: Andrew Collier Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 10:57 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Nyan Cat Yeah, 4-pixel squares in mode 2 would be easy enough. An authentic facsimile in Mode 1 would be tricky as there are squares with more than 2 colours in. Achievable with rainbow processing, but that seems a bit of a faff... Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 21:34, Tommo H wrote: Based on the Spectrum version, you could probably do it in Mode 1 or 2, just using the attributes? On 22 Apr 2012, at 13:32, Andrew Collier and...@intensity.org.uk wrote: so this is what people do on the internet these days, is it? Actually it does remind me a bit of the kind of stuff that ended up on early issues of Fred... You'd need to draw the stars manually, but that should be achievable. Andrew On 22 Apr 2012, at 19:45, James R Curry wrote: There are few enough frames that it could easily be done with screen swapping with a sampled version of the music playing. -- James R Curry On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Aleš Keprt a...@keprt.cz wrote: Do we have Nyan Cat on Sam Coupe? Somebody should make a conversion. wlEmoticon-smile[1].png original version, Atari 800, ZX Spectrum, Commodore C16, Atari 2600: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ5v9Qo6XzA Amstrad CPC version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfD3WxgaiXo BBC Micro version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVQdx3dJ1c If you don't have time to watch it all, here is a short 100h summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA5DsLzSVrk Sam Coupe version: ??? - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz - Mgr. Aleš Keprt, Ph.D. private: a...@keprt.cz, www.keprt.cz office: Moravian College / Moravská vysoká škola Olomouc, ales.ke...@mvso.cz
