Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Lavendar -ix-nay on the ideas-ay... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 01:30:32 -0400 From : wlro...@aol.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know...The Color Purple starting Chris Brown and Rihanna? --Lavender From: Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:37 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Don't worry. Abrams won't be directing the sequel. He's already done with it, bored and ready for the next thing that's caught his eye. We just don't know what that is yet. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 12:03:46 -0400 From : Daryle Lockhart To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com And the canonical differences are the things we were always arguing about ANYWAY, which makes this reset brilliant. A lot of the things we accept as Trek law is stuff that happened under Berman and Braga. Let's not forget, if we follow the actual timeliine of events, time had been changed by the events of First Contact ANYWAY, so things were already different. I have an analysis coming on things that changed that we hadn't considered, and some of it's good, like the idea that Voyager probably won't happen in this timeline, and that no Klingons ever join the Federation. Having a leading science officer from the future with knowledge of their mining accident will DEFINITELY impact how the Klingons get down. But more importantly, it is quite possible that either the Founders or The Borg WIN this time. The small advantages the Federation had were due to the political climate in the galaxy. Change those things (make the Romulans into allies, for example), and everything changes. I believe that this new Trek universe is going to be FANTASTIC for novels. All bets are off! FOR THIS REASON, it's crucial that J J Abrams not direct the next Star Trek movie. He can produce all day, I'm not saying the man shouldn't get paid, but JJ has a habit of derailing something in the middle and having it never recover (or is there someone here who understands what's happening on Lost?) On May 10, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: I dunno. I don't see what they're doing as being any different from the reboot of Doctor Who, except with more major canonical differences. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http:// www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http:// www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http:// www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, wrote: In a message dated 5/10/09 4:24:35 AM, sincere1...@gmail.com writes: My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment before the next film, so we'll just have to wait and see... MHO Sin/Black Galactus I was about to stay silent on this but the paragraph above prompted me to put my .02 cents in. What Sin/Black Galactus stated is something I call The Galactica Syndrome. That is you got a show based on a earlier project that while forming it's own audiance base is shunned by most-if not all of the orignials show's base. Shows like this usually don't have that much of a long shelf-life being period 'flashes in the pan. Pre-new movie Star Trek (OST, ST:NG, ST:DS9, ST:V) while set either/or different time periods, situtations, characters, etc. could have went this way. Their was something about those shows (and the movies based on them) that fans from other shows could like and this brought in many fans from those shows. Which in turn made the great. However the flipside of this is that it produces 'lazy' exicution, that eventually results in bad products which angers and drives of the fans of those shows. Forcing efforts to bring new life into those shows. Sometimes successful, sometimes not. It depends on how much cannon they 'break' when doing it to make the show new/hip to make it acceptable to both new/old fans. This, IMO is why Enterprise was not well recieved by the pre-new movie Star Trek community. It broke too much cannon, and many of the stories weren't that good. Which is also why it didn't get that many new fans (IMO if it wasn't for the ST name Enterprise would have been canciled in it's first season). while the new Battlestar Galactica was a somewhat hit. It was not so by many fans
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Ah. Too busy staring at Seven's Two Little Friends... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 01:01:20 -0400 From : wlro...@aol.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Maybe they were too busy watching to see if Janeway and Seven was going to break it again. --Lavender -- From: sincere1906 Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:36 AM To: Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon--right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this Ultimate Star Trek! There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have been born. For the first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc. I don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a vision here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost as socially and politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing illustrated this more than seeing product placement ads for Nokia, Budweiser and Jack Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi swear word, but what the frack!?! Earth endures eugenics wars, a nuclear holocaust, a post-atomic court of horrors, new regional powers (the Northern Alliance, etc), and somehow Nokia emerges unscathed!?!? The Trek world I knew seemed to always posit that humanity had come to the verge of destroying itself, and upon First Contact, from the ashes of the old world they built a new one--eliminating poverty, war, hunger, disease and systems that move far beyond capitalism and socialism. In this new Trek reality, I wouldn't be surprised if Kirk had a credit card! Trek has often been faulted at being overly utopian in the past, which I agreed could obscure reality. But this Trek has characters so much like us, I don't understand how they can possibly be enlightened. Normally Trek folks look back on our era the way we would at someone stepped out of the 12th century. Can't see them however debating the philosophical merits of the prime directive. My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment before the next film, so we'll just have to wait and see... MHO Sin/Black Galactus Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links People may lie, but the evidence rarely does.
Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
I like the cut of your jib, Lavendar. Can I bring anything? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 01:00:13 -0400 From : wlro...@aol.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I hope to see this tomorrow, which would be today when this email is posted. I too am a core trekkie. I am not saying that I am the one that is dressed in uniform as I am writing this. I have always felt that a movie needs to bring in a new crowd but with doing that not to loose the old one. We are the ones that are buying the product. I find it unlikely that we will see any newbie's at conventions this year based on this movie. I thought that it was cannon that the Vulcan's were a major player in Trek history. If this is not the case then who were? I would love a mention of TPol in this. I mean she might would have been the only person to really do a cross over without a time travel being involved. When I see this, I hope I get the feeling that he has done justice to the series. If not--I am going to Ace Hardware and get a deflector dish. Then I am going to bill a multiplexing beaking to put on top of it to contact the Borg to get rid of JJ Abrams and his crew. Then I going to invite Q over for dinner to try to convince him to fix this whole thing. Any one up for dinner? --Lavender -- From: sincere1906 Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:24 AM To: Subject: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon--right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands. They can do anything. And with Vulcans reduced to a virtual minor colony the entire course of the Federation could be altered, not to mention the balance of power in the Alpha Quadrant. They should call this Ultimate Star Trek! There's a sense of loss here knowing that the Trek reality that I've long called home no longer exists (or exists in some other timeline). For all we know future figures like Picard might never have been born. For the first time I can recall, we have a Trek spin off that cannot fit into the larger Trek universe. That will take some getting used to. Second, where a part of me is concerned, is I'm trying to figure out where this new story fits into Roddenberry's vision. Even with all its faults, the original Trek world was one that took radical positions--a Russian main character, a black main character, etc. I don't see this Trek taking any such bold moves. I don't see a vision here, even as we stand in the midst of a time almost as socially and politically challenging as the 1960s. Nothing illustrated this more than seeing product placement ads for Nokia, Budweiser and Jack Daniels. Pardon me for using a cross-sci-fi swear word, but what the frack!?! Earth endures eugenics wars, a nuclear holocaust, a post-atomic court of horrors, new regional powers (the Northern Alliance, etc), and somehow Nokia emerges unscathed!?!? The Trek world I knew seemed to always posit that humanity had come to the verge of destroying itself, and upon First Contact, from the ashes of the old world they built a new one--eliminating poverty, war, hunger, disease and systems that move far beyond capitalism and socialism. In this new Trek reality, I wouldn't be surprised if Kirk had a credit card! Trek has often been faulted at being overly utopian in the past, which I agreed could obscure reality. But this Trek has characters so much like us, I don't understand how they can possibly be enlightened. Normally Trek folks look back on our era the way we would at someone stepped out of the 12th century. Can't see them however debating the philosophical merits of the prime directive. My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some universal appeal because they adhere to
Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Thank you both, but I'm declining. After a night of thinking about nothing but DSNine, I'm angry. It wouldn't get a fair shake in my head. if my back ever fully stops hurting, I plan on driving up to my Best Buy, to see if they have any DSNine DVDs in-store. Really the only Trek I want in my head right now. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 22:34:38 -0400 From : Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com and I'll pay for the drinks! On May 10, 2009, at 10:29 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Martin, I'll give you the five bucks to see the movie at one of the two five-dollar theatres in Atlanta. I *really* want to get your take on this movie! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:45:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Adrianne, I've never thought of Doctor Who as a reboot, merely a restart. The nature of the show itself allows for far more flexibility in storytelling. The same can be said for Trek, but there are established events that formed the show's collective mythos. IMO, those events are being juggled, solely to make money. Yes, it's the Way of All Things. I don't have to accept it. I won't. I'll NEVER see this movie, not on cable, not on free TV, not even if someone were to send it to me, wrapped in C-notes. I'd send it right back. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 11:43:31 -0400 From : Adrianne Brennan To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I dunno. I don't see what they're doing as being any different from the reboot of Doctor Who, except with more major canonical differences. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, wrote: In a message dated 5/10/09 4:24:35 AM, sincere1...@gmail.com writes: My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment before the next film, so we'll just have to wait and see... MHO Sin/Black Galactus I was about to stay silent on this but the paragraph above prompted me to put my .02 cents in. What Sin/Black Galactus stated is something I call The Galactica Syndrome. That is you got a show based on a earlier project that while forming it's own audiance base is shunned by most-if not all of the orignials show's base. Shows like this usually don't have that much of a long shelf-life being period 'flashes in the pan. Pre-new movie Star Trek (OST, ST:NG, ST:DS9, ST:V) while set either/or different time periods, situtations, characters, etc. could have went this way. Their was something about those shows (and the movies based on them) that fans from other shows could like and this brought in many fans from those shows. Which in turn made the great. However the flipside of this is that it produces 'lazy' exicution, that eventually results in bad products which angers and drives of the fans of those shows. Forcing efforts to bring new life into those shows. Sometimes successful, sometimes not. It depends on how much cannon they 'break' when doing it to make the show new/hip to make it acceptable to both new/old fans. This, IMO is why Enterprise was not well recieved by the pre-new movie Star Trek community. It broke too much cannon, and many of the stories weren't that good. Which is also why it didn't get that many new fans (IMO if it wasn't for the ST name Enterprise would have been canciled in it's first season). while the new Battlestar Galactica was a somewhat hit. It was not so by many fans of the old series who concider it broke too much cannon (and the fact it's creators also had 'lazy exicution' sydrome judging from it's later episodes) and this IMO the show will probally fade over time. And in my opinion I see the new Star Trek movie and it's alternate timeline will while finding intial popular support will eventually go the way of new BG as it's new fans will stick to this movie. While fans of pre-new movie ST will eventually ignore it and continue on, asking for more stuff in the pre-new movie ST background. But hey it's only my opinon. -GTW **
[RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Marian, I've heard that the notion you posit has been discussed at the highest levels. No word on whether it happens in reality or not. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 23:22:46 - From : marian_changling md_moor...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com With all of the discussion of alternative timestreams here Are people thinking that future movies might try to mingle the two alternative Star Trek histories? I certainly hope not. (Mr. Shatner might yet talk himself into the new Trek!) If this is the new history, I hope they go forward with that. Not try to reach across into the old one. In fact, I wish that Spock Prime had stayed away from the new Spock altogether. That scene was completely unneeded. Some reviewers thought that it felt like Nimoy giving his blessing to the new guy, but storywise I wish it had been dropped. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: GW, You've hit the proverbial nail on the head. It was a good movie, I enjoyed much of it, but it didn't *feel* like Trek. And when some people hear my complaints they think I'm trying to be a purist or that I don't like the timeline/alternate reality change. And that's not it at all. I'm not one of those folks who was griping because there was a woman in charge on Voyager or because Picard didn't go around fighting everyone like Kirk did. I like those kinds of changes. I think the timeline/alternate reality thing is bold--even if I'll miss the old guys. No, my issues lay on whether this new Trek will still continue in the vision that (imho) gave the stories such a massive fanbase and following. Sin/Black Galactus --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, GWashin891@ wrote: In a message dated 5/10/09 11:45:06 AM, adrianne.brennan@ writes: I dunno. I don't see what they're doing as being any different from the reboot of Doctor Who, except with more major canonical differences. At least in the Doctor Who reboots they made a great effort to at least keep with the spirit of the show and it's cannonal history. Even if they did change it. And inspite of those changes it, In short still 'felt' like Doctor Who. -GTW ** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222376999x1201454299/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072amp;hmpgID=62amp; bcd=May51009AvgfooterNO62) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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Guilty as charged. But, in my defense, the new parts in DW are DW fans. Can't say that about Abrams. And I'll grant yu that The Doctor's Daughter was the low-water mark of the new series. Heck, DW *period*. Even made me cringe. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 19:21:26 -0400 From : Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com This from the person who is saying that I should watch series five no matter what. ;) Hey, at least you could watch the movie and figure out what you liked and didn't like then. I sat through that atrocity known as The Doctor's Daughter and being drunk wasn't enough to make it charming. Now I can comment on it and say without reservation that it's the worst episode of the entire new series, and they should be embarrassed that it was allowed to air. I also thought the last special was nearly as bad, but not quite. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: Adrianne, I've never thought of Doctor Who as a reboot, merely a restart. The nature of the show itself allows for far more flexibility in storytelling. The same can be said for Trek, but there are established events that formed the show's collective mythos. IMO, those events are being juggled, solely to make money. Yes, it's the Way of All Things. I don't have to accept it. I won't. I'll NEVER see this movie, not on cable, not on free TV, not even if someone were to send it to me, wrapped in C-notes. I'd send it right back. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 11:43:31 -0400 From : Adrianne Brennan To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I dunno. I don't see what they're doing as being any different from the reboot of Doctor Who, except with more major canonical differences. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, wrote: In a message dated 5/10/09 4:24:35 AM, sincere1...@gmail.com writes: My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment before the next film, so we'll just have to wait and see... MHO Sin/Black Galactus I was about to stay silent on this but the paragraph above prompted me to put my .02 cents in. What Sin/Black Galactus stated is something I call The Galactica Syndrome. That is you got a show based on a earlier project that while forming it's own audiance base is shunned by most-if not all of the orignials show's base. Shows like this usually don't have that much of a long shelf-life being period 'flashes in the pan. Pre-new movie Star Trek (OST, ST:NG, ST:DS9, ST:V) while set either/or different time periods, situtations, characters, etc. could have went this way. Their was something about those shows (and the movies based on them) that fans from other shows could like and this brought in many fans from those shows. Which in turn made the great. However the flipside of this is that it produces 'lazy' exicution, that eventually results in bad products which angers and drives of the fans of those shows. Forcing efforts to bring new life into those shows. Sometimes successful, sometimes not. It depends on how much cannon they 'break' when doing it to make the show new/hip to make it acceptable to both new/old fans. This, IMO is why Enterprise was not well recieved by the pre-new movie Star Trek community. It broke too much cannon, and many of the stories weren't that good. Which is also why it didn't get that many new fans (IMO if it wasn't for the ST name Enterprise would have been canciled in it's first season). while the new Battlestar Galactica was a somewhat hit. It was not so by many fans of the old series who concider it broke too much cannon (and the fact it's creators also had 'lazy exicution' sydrome judging from it's later episodes) and this IMO the show will probally fade over time. And in my opinion I see the new Star Trek movie and it's alternate timeline
RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Forgive the implication, Exalted List Goddess -- ne'er shall this one stray. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 16:16:46 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com You ain’t allowed to leave, so forget that. Keep griping--- many of us empathize From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:22 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* sin speaks naught but truth to power. In a couple of other forums I post in, such a discussion, gone to the points we've taken it so far, would've resulted in several users leaving in disgust, after flinging death threats. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 21:03:28 - From : sincere1906 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com But this is scifinoir...where we can get into convulted arguments about everything from individuality and consciousness in the Borg to whether Balrogs have wings. That's what makes this little reality Tracey created for us so special--cuz we can't do so in most other places. And fear not, I'm not asking anyone to be divided by loyalties nor am I stewing in prejudice (?) and/or nostalgia. lol Just having a lively discussion... :) Sin/Black Galactus --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Meta wrote: I have seen the movie and I loved it. My feelings about this non-issue is the same as yours. I just will not be drawn into a convoluted argument about Trek loyalties. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb wrote: Yeah, but a lot of people have decided that, sight unseen, they're not going to like this film. I, personally, don't have the time or energy to debate or cajole or even, at this point, care. Let them stew in prejudice and nostalgia. That leaves more seats for the rest of us. Justin On 10-May-09, at 10:15 AM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: And yet, me and many others who ARE Trek fans--heck, been a Trekkie all of my life--*loved* the movie! ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: That, sir, is a DAMN good point. But then, I return to Abrams' own words. If you're a Star Trek fan, you won't like this movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 08:36:17 - From : sincere1906 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay. Getting real Trek geek here... SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILSRS! Where are the Temporal Authorities? In a Deep Space 9 episode, we got to see guys from the future who monitor time. I figure they must be able to remain unaltered outside the timeline. Shouldn't some alarm (or however they're notified) have gone off somewhere as soon as that giant Romulan ship showed up and started rippling through the time line? Jes thinkin aloud... Sin -- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, sincere1906 wrote: Okay it's 4am, I saw the new Trek movie about 8 hours ago and am just getting in after a night of debauchery. So I might be writing this on a Red Stripe buzz, but here goes... S P O I L E R S ! ! ! I liked the movie. As a movie, it was good. The plot was decent. There was well-paced excitement, humor, etc. The cast was relatable. I thought everyone did a great job playing their roles--even down to Chekhov. So as a movie, good. I give it 3 stars out of four. The larger question, what I suppose matters the most on a group like this, is was it good Trek? On this, I'm truly torn. First off, I knew they said get ready to forget everything you know about Trek, but damn...I didn't know they were this serious! Thanks to that Romulan ship coming through a black hole and killing Kirk's father, the timeline that we know from that point on has been severed. The Butterfly effect has created a host of new phenomenon-- right down to a love affar between Uhuru and Spock--which never seemed to exist before. This was a bold and daring move. The writers of this new Trek world have an entire alternate reality on their hands.
Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Keith, i say we just go, kick in Martin's door, and his butt 2 the theatre. i will even spring 4 the popcorn and soda. after he views it, i BET he gives us our ticket money back! Fate. --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 10:29 PM Martin, I'll give you the five bucks to see the movie at one of the two five-dollar theatres in Atlanta. I *really* want to get your take on this movie! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 1:45:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Adrianne, I've never thought of Doctor Who as a reboot, merely a restart. The nature of the show itself allows for far more flexibility in storytelling. The same can be said for Trek, but there are established events that formed the show's collective mythos. IMO, those events are being juggled, solely to make money. Yes, it's the Way of All Things. I don't have to accept it. I won't. I'll NEVER see this movie, not on cable, not on free TV, not even if someone were to send it to me, wrapped in C-notes. I'd send it right back. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 11:43:31 -0400 From : Adrianne Brennan adrianne.brennan@ gmail.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I dunno. I don't see what they're doing as being any different from the reboot of Doctor Who, except with more major canonical differences. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, wrote: In a message dated 5/10/09 4:24:35 AM, sincere1906@ gmail.com writes: My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment before the next film, so we'll just have to wait and see... MHO Sin/Black Galactus I was about to stay silent on this but the paragraph above prompted me to put my .02 cents in. What Sin/Black Galactus stated is something I call The Galactica Syndrome. That is you got a show based on a earlier project that while forming it's own audiance base is shunned by most-if not all of the orignials show's base. Shows like this usually don't have that much of a long shelf-life being period 'flashes in the pan. Pre-new movie Star Trek (OST, ST:NG, ST:DS9, ST:V) while set either/or different time periods, situtations, characters, etc. could have went this way. Their was something about those shows (and the movies based on them) that fans from other shows could like and this brought in many fans from those shows. Which in turn made the great. However the flipside of this is that it produces 'lazy' exicution, that eventually results in bad products which angers and drives of the fans of those shows. Forcing efforts to bring new life into those shows. Sometimes successful, sometimes not. It depends on how much cannon they 'break' when doing it to make the show new/hip to make it acceptable to both new/old fans. This, IMO is why Enterprise was not well recieved by the pre-new movie Star Trek community. It broke too much cannon, and many of the stories weren't that good. Which is also why it didn't get that many new fans (IMO if it wasn't for the ST name Enterprise would have been canciled in it's first season). while the new Battlestar Galactica was a somewhat hit. It was not so by many fans of the old series who concider it broke too much cannon (and the fact it's creators also had 'lazy exicution' sydrome judging from it's later episodes) and this IMO the show will probally fade over time. And in my opinion I see the new Star Trek movie and it's alternate timeline will while finding intial popular support will eventually go the way of new BG as it's new fans will stick to this movie. While fans of pre-new movie ST will eventually ignore it and continue on, asking for more stuff in the pre-new movie ST background. But hey it's only my opinon. -GTW ** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! ( http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x122237 6999x1201454299/ aol?redir= http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default.
RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 16:16:17 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Don’t kill me if I send you some new trek action figures in the mail for Christmas. I like getting your gander up From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:49 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Bosco, again, I'm on the record. I feel as though... if I put my money down on something which, in the long run, I feel is going to fail (this movie itself won't -- I'm certain that it'll end up as one of the top-three box-office champs of the year, but Abrams, again, has a track record of quitting on whatever he picks up. The rumor's already out that he won't direct the next one, merely exec-produce it (meaning show up for an hour aday, sign the paychecks and go to whatever his next pet project is), and the next one won't measure up to the standard of this one, IMO risking the possibility that the Trek franchise will, one day, be in the same league as J__l Sr put the Bat franchise into with his misdirected two efforts.) Also, I say again that better options for a continuation were ou! t there, namely DSNine. No one can say that it's out of the consciousness of the fans, because it still airs on Spike every so often late nights. Just taked myself out of it again. NO WAY. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 11:48:14 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella To : Martin: Why can't you see it absorb it, enjoy it if possible and then come home and complain about the inconsistencies, Like Galactigus did From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:01 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Dude This movie is GREAT. Miss it if you must but it's GREAT. Did I mention it's frakin GREAT. I really think you're cheating yourself by taking a stand against without having seen it. Seriously. God that movie was GREAT. Bosco --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 12:45 PM Adrianne, I've never thought of Doctor Who as a reboot, merely a restart. The nature of the show itself allows for far more flexibility in storytelling. The same can be said for Trek, but there are established events that formed the show's collective mythos. IMO, those events are being juggled, solely to make money. Yes, it's the Way of All Things. I don't have to accept it. I won't. I'll NEVER see this movie, not on cable, not on free TV, not even if someone were to send it to me, wrapped in C-notes. I'd send it right back. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 11:43:31 -0400 From : Adrianne Brennan To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I dunno. I don't see what they're doing as being any different from the reboot of Doctor Who, except with more major canonical differences. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, wrote: In a message dated 5/10/09 4:24:35 AM, sincere1906@ gmail.com writes: My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment before the next film, so we'll just have to wait and see... MHO Sin/Black Galactus I was about to stay silent on this but the paragraph above prompted me to put my .02 cents in. What Sin/Black Galactus stated is something I call The Galactica Syndrome. That is you got a show based on a earlier project that while forming it's own audiance base is shunned by most-if not all of the orignials show's base. Shows like this usually don't have that much of a long shelf-life being period 'flashes in the pan. Pre-new movie Star Trek (OST, ST:NG, ST:DS9, ST:V) while set either/or different time periods, situtations, characters, etc. could have went this way. Their was something about those shows (and the movies
RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Not even if you were to buy me the Special Edition DVD when it came out, wrapped that in C-notes and had it hand-delivered to me by Gabrielle Union in an old-school Uhura uniform. (Let 'em doubt my sincerity NOW.) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 16:14:32 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com C’mon, not even on DVD, the Internet or cable? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:39 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Fate, I'm on the record. Best I can do is to give it a lot of thought. In recent months, I've resisted seeing a lot of movies I was told I *had* to see, almost all of which turned out to be crap. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 12:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Martin, Tracey and Bosco are correct. Just go and see it and enjoy it for what it's worth. my wife and i saw it last night, and we both liked it, and trust me. when i saw she liked a sci-fi movie, that is a feat! Fate. --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Tracey de Morsella wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 2:48 PM Martin: Why can’t you see it absorb it, enjoy it if possible and then come home and complain about the inconsistencies, Like Galactigus did From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:01 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Dude This movie is GREAT. Miss it if you must but it's GREAT. Did I mention it's frakin GREAT. I really think you're cheating yourself by taking a stand against without having seen it. Seriously. God that movie was GREAT. Bosco --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 12:45 PM Adrianne, I've never thought of Doctor Who as a reboot, merely a restart. The nature of the show itself allows for far more flexibility in storytelling. The same can be said for Trek, but there are established events that formed the show's collective mythos. IMO, those events are being juggled, solely to make money. Yes, it's the Way of All Things. I don't have to accept it. I won't. I'll NEVER see this movie, not on cable, not on free TV, not even if someone were to send it to me, wrapped in C-notes. I'd send it right back. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 11:43:31 -0400 From : Adrianne Brennan To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I dunno. I don't see what they're doing as being any different from the reboot of Doctor Who, except with more major canonical differences. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, wrote: In a message dated 5/10/09 4:24:35 AM, sincere1906@ gmail.com writes: My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment before the next film, so we'll just have to wait and see... MHO Sin/Black Galactus I was about to stay silent on this but the paragraph above prompted me to put my .02 cents in. What Sin/Black Galactus stated is something I call The Galactica Syndrome. That is you got a show based on a earlier project that while forming it's own audiance base is shunned by most-if not all of the orignials show's base. Shows like this usually don't have that much of a long shelf-life being period 'flashes in the pan. Pre-new movie Star Trek (OST, ST:NG, ST:DS9, ST:V) while set either/or different time periods, situtations, characters, etc. could have went this way. Their was something about those shows (and the movies based on them) that fans from other shows could like and this brought in many
[RE][scifinoir2] Cone of Silence for the office place
This, I could've used aabout fifteen years ago, when I was trying to unionize the company I was working for at the time. (The u-word was, in Management's opinion, even more obscene than the n-, f- and k-words spoken in succession, and had once, by my personal witenss, been grounds for immediate termination. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Cone of Silence for the office place Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 16:48:17 - From : ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com This is so pertinet. Just this morning, the woman I work with in the Quality Assurance lab was told to use her inside voice because she could be heard out in the cube farm and, apparently, the unfettered tone of her voice was frightening the corporate veal. ~rave! http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/cliff-kuang/design-innovation/inventors-propose-super-creepy-mute-button-real-world?partner=yahoobuzz A Creepy Mute Button for the Real World BY Cliff Kuang44 minutes ago Joe Paradiso and Yasuhiro Ono of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have just patented a system for a roving cone of silence, so that you can walk around your office building without anyone ever eavesdropping on you. The inventors are trying to fix a common problem in open-plan offices: the sound of conversations that carry across the room, making your every phone call into fodder for other people's gossip sessions. So they devised a sound-damping sensor, comprised of an infra-red motion-detector, a speaker and a microphone. These would be scattered around the walls of an office. You can then activate your personal mute button from your computer. The system locks onto you, identifies anyone close enough to eavesdrop, and hits them with a murmur of white noise so they can't hear you. Of course, the new invention isn't alone. In-office sound masking systems have become popular recently: There's already the Babble and the Accumask, both of which shroud voices by mixing them with randomized noise. But Paradiso and Ono's invention is the only one that has the potential to silence anyone in an office on demand with a single system, while traveling with them as they wander around the office. The downside is that this system requires lots of infrastructure, not to mention the creepiness of having your moves watched by a computer that tags you as a nosey eavesdropper. Do you think the benefits of privacy outweigh the creepy factor? Related: No Joke: These Guys Really Do Work Out of a Cardboard Box Related: The Privacy Arms Race Issue 84 | July 2004 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Nonononononono... I called first. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 17:01:11 - From : ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Okay, Martin, I was with you all the way up to the Gabrielle Union in the old school Uhura uniform comment but, to paraphrase Ozzie Osbourne, you have just taken a ride on the bloody crazy train! (Uh, gentlemen, that Gabrielle Union home delivery of the DVD IS something I might be interested in!) ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Not even if you were to buy me the Special Edition DVD when it came out, wrapped that in C-notes and had it hand-delivered to me by Gabrielle Union in an old-school Uhura uniform. (Let 'em doubt my sincerity NOW.) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 16:14:32 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella To : Câmon, not even on DVD, the Internet or cable? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:39 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Fate, I'm on the record. Best I can do is to give it a lot of thought. In recent months, I've resisted seeing a lot of movies I was told I *had* to see, almost all of which turned out to be crap. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 12:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Martin, Tracey and Bosco are correct. Just go and see it and enjoy it for what it's worth. my wife and i saw it last night, and we both liked it, and trust me. when i saw she liked a sci-fi movie, that is a feat! Fate. --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Tracey de Morsella wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 2:48 PM Martin: Why canât you see it absorb it, enjoy it if possible and then come home and complain about the inconsistencies, Like Galactigus did From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:01 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Dude This movie is GREAT. Miss it if you must but it's GREAT. Did I mention it's frakin GREAT. I really think you're cheating yourself by taking a stand against without having seen it. Seriously. God that movie was GREAT. Bosco --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 12:45 PM Adrianne, I've never thought of Doctor Who as a reboot, merely a restart. The nature of the show itself allows for far more flexibility in storytelling. The same can be said for Trek, but there are established events that formed the show's collective mythos. IMO, those events are being juggled, solely to make money. Yes, it's the Way of All Things. I don't have to accept it. I won't. I'll NEVER see this movie, not on cable, not on free TV, not even if someone were to send it to me, wrapped in C-notes. I'd send it right back. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 11:43:31 -0400 From : Adrianne Brennan To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I dunno. I don't see what they're doing as being any different from the reboot of Doctor Who, except with more major canonical differences. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, wrote: In a message dated 5/10/09 4:24:35 AM, sincere1906@ gmail.com writes: My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment before the next film, so we'll just have to
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Cone of Silence for the office place
Martin, I have this laminated Dilbert cartoon in my office: POINTY-HAIRED MANAGER - I want suggestions on how we can win one of those best places to work awards DILBERT - You could stop treating us like diseased livestock. POINTY-HAIRED MANAGER - (punching Dilbert in the arm) - Stop being like that! DILBERT - Ow! POINTY-HAIRED MANAGER - If you were livestock, you'd be eating grass. DILBERT - My Donut is made from wheat flour. Wheat is a grass. POINTY-HAIRED MANAGER - And you'd be living in a pen. DILBERT - Also known as a cubicle. POINTY-HAIRED MANAGER - Livestock have no freedom. DILBERT - Can I go home now? POINTY-HAIRED MANAGER - No. DILBERT - Moo. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: This, I could've used aabout fifteen years ago, when I was trying to unionize the company I was working for at the time. (The u-word was, in Management's opinion, even more obscene than the n-, f- and k-words spoken in succession, and had once, by my personal witenss, been grounds for immediate termination. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Cone of Silence for the office place Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 16:48:17 - From : ravenadal ravena...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com This is so pertinet. Just this morning, the woman I work with in the Quality Assurance lab was told to use her inside voice because she could be heard out in the cube farm and, apparently, the unfettered tone of her voice was frightening the corporate veal. ~rave! http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/cliff-kuang/design-innovation/inventors-propose-super-creepy-mute-button-real-world?partner=yahoobuzz A Creepy Mute Button for the Real World BY Cliff Kuang44 minutes ago Joe Paradiso and Yasuhiro Ono of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have just patented a system for a roving cone of silence, so that you can walk around your office building without anyone ever eavesdropping on you. The inventors are trying to fix a common problem in open-plan offices: the sound of conversations that carry across the room, making your every phone call into fodder for other people's gossip sessions. So they devised a sound-damping sensor, comprised of an infra-red motion-detector, a speaker and a microphone. These would be scattered around the walls of an office. You can then activate your personal mute button from your computer. The system locks onto you, identifies anyone close enough to eavesdrop, and hits them with a murmur of white noise so they can't hear you. Of course, the new invention isn't alone. In-office sound masking systems have become popular recently: There's already the Babble and the Accumask, both of which shroud voices by mixing them with randomized noise. But Paradiso and Ono's invention is the only one that has the potential to silence anyone in an office on demand with a single system, while traveling with them as they wander around the office. The downside is that this system requires lots of infrastructure, not to mention the creepiness of having your moves watched by a computer that tags you as a nosey eavesdropper. Do you think the benefits of privacy outweigh the creepy factor? Related: No Joke: These Guys Really Do Work Out of a Cardboard Box Related: The Privacy Arms Race Issue 84 | July 2004 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] Yesterday was a good day
Ha-ha, great stuff! - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:31:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Yesterday was a good day Yesterday was a good day (Big Baby made the shot!). It started off with me watching Titan A.E. with the sound off followed by a viewing of The Wrath of Khan, previously the best Star Trek movie ever, dovetailing nicely with a lively on-line conversation about the latest (possibly, greatest) Star Trek movie of all-time. That was followed by my (adopted) Houston Rockets beating the LA Kobies withoug Yao Ming which was followed by my accidentally surfing into a full viewing of Strange Days with Ralph Finnes, Angela Bassett (one of her best roles) and the woefully underused Glenn Plummer as the murdered Rasta Messiah (directed by my favorite gonzo director Kathryn Bigelow). This was followed by the aforementioned buzzer beater by Blen BIG BABY!!! Davis as my (adopted) Boston Celtics evened their playoff series with the Orlando Magic. But what capped the evening off was an encore presentation of the original Spider-Man movie immediately following the basketball game. I saw the movie in the theater. I own the DVD. But I sat there and watched the whole thing, commercials and all, like I was seeing it all for the first time. Yeah, yesterday was a good day (Big Baby made the shot!) ~rave!
[scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Martin, I'll take it if you don't want it, especially wrapped in those C-notes. You can, of course keep Gabrielle, my flow don't go THAT way.:) Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Not even if you were to buy me the Special Edition DVD when it came out, wrapped that in C-notes and had it hand-delivered to me by Gabrielle Union in an old-school Uhura uniform. (Let 'em doubt my sincerity NOW.) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 16:14:32 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Câmon, not even on DVD, the Internet or cable? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:39 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Fate, I'm on the record. Best I can do is to give it a lot of thought. In recent months, I've resisted seeing a lot of movies I was told I *had* to see, almost all of which turned out to be crap. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 12:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Martin, Tracey and Bosco are correct. Just go and see it and enjoy it for what it's worth. my wife and i saw it last night, and we both liked it, and trust me. when i saw she liked a sci-fi movie, that is a feat! Fate. --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Tracey de Morsella wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 2:48 PM Martin: Why canât you see it absorb it, enjoy it if possible and then come home and complain about the inconsistencies, Like Galactigus did From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:01 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Dude This movie is GREAT. Miss it if you must but it's GREAT. Did I mention it's frakin GREAT. I really think you're cheating yourself by taking a stand against without having seen it. Seriously. God that movie was GREAT. Bosco --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 12:45 PM Adrianne, I've never thought of Doctor Who as a reboot, merely a restart. The nature of the show itself allows for far more flexibility in storytelling. The same can be said for Trek, but there are established events that formed the show's collective mythos. IMO, those events are being juggled, solely to make money. Yes, it's the Way of All Things. I don't have to accept it. I won't. I'll NEVER see this movie, not on cable, not on free TV, not even if someone were to send it to me, wrapped in C-notes. I'd send it right back. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 11:43:31 -0400 From : Adrianne Brennan To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I dunno. I don't see what they're doing as being any different from the reboot of Doctor Who, except with more major canonical differences. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, wrote: In a message dated 5/10/09 4:24:35 AM, sincere1906@ gmail.com writes: My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment before the next film, so we'll just have to wait and see... MHO Sin/Black Galactus I was about to stay silent on this but the paragraph above prompted me to put my .02 cents in. What Sin/Black Galactus stated is something I call The Galactica Syndrome. That is you got a show based on a earlier project that while forming it's own
[scifinoir2] Quinto goes where one man has gone before
This is the last of the new Star Trek actor profiles: Two Sides of Spock ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://blackplush.blogspot.com _ courant.com/entertainment/movies/hc-new-spock-startrek.artmay10,0,7732594.story Courant.com `STAR TREK' Two Sides Of Spock Leonard Nimoy Helps Zachary Quinto Redefine The TV Icon By RICK BENTLEY|McClatchy NewspapersPhotos By MATT SAYLES|Associated Press May 10, 2009 There was a time, not long after the original run of the television series Star Trek, when Leonard Nimoy tried to distance himself from the show. He had played many roles before slapping on the pointy ears to portray Spock, but that character was the only role anyone seemed to remember. Nimoy eventually embraced the inevitable: He will always be known as the actor who played Spock on the '60s TV show. He could not ignore the fan interest or the fact that Spock tops lists of the most-iconic television characters. Now, with the new Star Trek feature film, Nimoy has someone with whom to share the burden. Screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman say the movie would not have been possible without Nimoy's being part of it, but they also needed someone who could play a younger Spock. Heroes star Zachary Quinto portrays Spock in the early days of the Star Trek mythology, when Spock and Kirk, and the rest of the Enterprise gang, came together. The plot also includes a major role for Nimoy's more mature version of the character. Seated next to each other at the Four Seasons Hotel, Nimoy and Quinto discuss the movie. Nimoy explains how excited he was to have the opportunity to slip back into the role. These people, the makers of this film, I think reawakened in me the passion I had when we made the original film and series, Nimoy, 78, says. Quinto, 31, admits that when he was 12, he had the same bowl-shaped haircut that Spock sported. But he never had anyone tell him that he looked like the famous Vulcan. He prepared for the role by watching episodes of the television show. He also had the luxury of being able to chat with Nimoy during the filming. The whole experience for me was so fulfilling. Beyond my wildest expectations, in terms of just getting to know him and understanding how this character has formed. His creative processes and life. It was great fun, Quinto says. I got asked a lot if there was pressure because of Leonard's involvement. My response is always to the contrary. Having him as a resource, and such a generous available support system, made it much easier for me to step into the experience. I felt that it was incumbent upon me to determine my own relationship with this character. That was the mandate that [director] J.J. [Abrams] set forth very early on in the process. We were expected to use the foundation as a point of entry into our own experiences with the characters. Nimoy smiles at the young actor's response, and says, He sounds like Spock. Doesn't he? Nimoy has nothing but compliments for how Quinto handled the role. The pair never talked about the do's and don'ts of playing Spock. Their conversations where more about the philosophy and psychology of the character, the philosophy of Star Trek and even the fans' reactions to various aspects of Star Trek. I'm very proud of what he did, Nimoy says. I loved the idea that he is doing the character, that he did it so well. I think we have book-ended the character. He has created a Spock that comes before the Spock that I portrayed in the series. I'm playing a Spock that comes much, much later and is much more resolved and is, I think, much closer to who I actually am today. So I think it works extremely well. There is one huge story line in the movie involving the younger Spock that will catch Star Trek fans off guard. It would be unfair to reveal what happens except to say that it illustrates Quinto's suggestion that there is a real misconception about how much emotion Spock feels. Spock is the son of a Vulcan father and an Earth mother. The Star Trek lore is that Vulcans have long suppressed emotions because emotions are not logical. But Spock has always had to deal with the added pressures of his human side. I think he feels emotion very deeply. But he's just restricted in the ways that he can express it, Quinto says. For me, it was about cultivating a deeply rooted inner life and not being able to do much other than to hold on to it. It Wasn't Much Of A Stretch To Go Back In Time Few television characters have reached the iconic status of Star Trek science officer Spock. From his pointed ears to the live longer and prosper greeting, the character is ingrained in the pop-culture fabric. It was Leonard Nimoy, a lanky actor from Boston, who first gave Spock life in the television series and then in a string of movies. Nimoy has returned to the role in the new Star Trek feature film, which looks at the early days of the
[scifinoir2] A Primer to 'Star Trek' Food and Drink
http://www.seriouseats.com/2009/05/a-primer-to-star-trek-food-and-drink.html
Re: [scifinoir2] Cone of Silence for the office place
This can be avoided if companies stopped using cheap baffles (wall partitions) between the cubicles. Most buy or rent to own those cheap thin white (or beige) baffles that come separately or part of the desk system. There are thicker partitions that have sound proofing built in that absorb sound. They are made that way. They can reduce sound by 50-60%. On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:48 AM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: This is so pertinet. Just this morning, the woman I work with in the Quality Assurance lab was told to use her inside voice because she could be heard out in the cube farm and, apparently, the unfettered tone of her voice was frightening the corporate veal. ~rave! http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/cliff-kuang/design-innovation/inventors-propose-super-creepy-mute-button-real-world?partner=yahoobuzz A Creepy Mute Button for the Real World BY Cliff Kuang44 minutes ago Joe Paradiso and Yasuhiro Ono of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have just patented a system for a roving cone of silence, so that you can walk around your office building without anyone ever eavesdropping on you. The inventors are trying to fix a common problem in open-plan offices: the sound of conversations that carry across the room, making your every phone call into fodder for other people's gossip sessions. So they devised a sound-damping sensor, comprised of an infra-red motion-detector, a speaker and a microphone. These would be scattered around the walls of an office. You can then activate your personal mute button from your computer. The system locks onto you, identifies anyone close enough to eavesdrop, and hits them with a murmur of white noise so they can't hear you. Of course, the new invention isn't alone. In-office sound masking systems have become popular recently: There's already the Babble and the Accumask, both of which shroud voices by mixing them with randomized noise. But Paradiso and Ono's invention is the only one that has the potential to silence anyone in an office on demand with a single system, while traveling with them as they wander around the office. The downside is that this system requires lots of infrastructure, not to mention the creepiness of having your moves watched by a computer that tags you as a nosey eavesdropper. Do you think the benefits of privacy outweigh the creepy factor? Related: No Joke: These Guys Really Do Work Out of a Cardboard Box Related: The Privacy Arms Race Issue 84 | July 2004 Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Cone of Silence for the office place
Mr. Worf, from my own eight-year stint in Hell-slash-Corporate America, I believe that Management *wants* those words to flutter freely about. The more dissent in the air, the easier to herd the veal. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Cone of Silence for the office place Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 13:39:27 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com This can be avoided if companies stopped using cheap baffles (wall partitions) between the cubicles. Most buy or rent to own those cheap thin white (or beige) baffles that come separately or part of the desk system. There are thicker partitions that have sound proofing built in that absorb sound. They are made that way. They can reduce sound by 50-60%. On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:48 AM, ravenadal wrote: This is so pertinet. Just this morning, the woman I work with in the Quality Assurance lab was told to use her inside voice because she could be heard out in the cube farm and, apparently, the unfettered tone of her voice was frightening the corporate veal. ~rave! http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/cliff-kuang/design-innovation/inventors-propose-super-creepy-mute-button-real-world?partner=yahoobuzz A Creepy Mute Button for the Real World BY Cliff Kuang44 minutes ago Joe Paradiso and Yasuhiro Ono of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have just patented a system for a roving cone of silence, so that you can walk around your office building without anyone ever eavesdropping on you. The inventors are trying to fix a common problem in open-plan offices: the sound of conversations that carry across the room, making your every phone call into fodder for other people's gossip sessions. So they devised a sound-damping sensor, comprised of an infra-red motion-detector, a speaker and a microphone. These would be scattered around the walls of an office. You can then activate your personal mute button from your computer. The system locks onto you, identifies anyone close enough to eavesdrop, and hits them with a murmur of white noise so they can't hear you. Of course, the new invention isn't alone. In-office sound masking systems have become popular recently: There's already the Babble and the Accumask, both of which shroud voices by mixing them with randomized noise. But Paradiso and Ono's invention is the only one that has the potential to silence anyone in an office on demand with a single system, while traveling with them as they wander around the office. The downside is that this system requires lots of infrastructure, not to mention the creepiness of having your moves watched by a computer that tags you as a nosey eavesdropper. Do you think the benefits of privacy outweigh the creepy factor? Related: No Joke: These Guys Really Do Work Out of a Cardboard Box Related: The Privacy Arms Race Issue 84 | July 2004 Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
Meta, Just let me know who you want to bring it to your door, and I'll have Gabrielle hand it off. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 18:57:48 - From : Meta hett...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Martin, I'll take it if you don't want it, especially wrapped in those C-notes. You can, of course keep Gabrielle, my flow don't go THAT way.:) Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Not even if you were to buy me the Special Edition DVD when it came out, wrapped that in C-notes and had it hand-delivered to me by Gabrielle Union in an old-school Uhura uniform. (Let 'em doubt my sincerity NOW.) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 16:14:32 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella To : Câmon, not even on DVD, the Internet or cable? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:39 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Fate, I'm on the record. Best I can do is to give it a lot of thought. In recent months, I've resisted seeing a lot of movies I was told I *had* to see, almost all of which turned out to be crap. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 12:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Martin, Tracey and Bosco are correct. Just go and see it and enjoy it for what it's worth. my wife and i saw it last night, and we both liked it, and trust me. when i saw she liked a sci-fi movie, that is a feat! Fate. --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Tracey de Morsella wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 2:48 PM Martin: Why canât you see it absorb it, enjoy it if possible and then come home and complain about the inconsistencies, Like Galactigus did From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:01 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Dude This movie is GREAT. Miss it if you must but it's GREAT. Did I mention it's frakin GREAT. I really think you're cheating yourself by taking a stand against without having seen it. Seriously. God that movie was GREAT. Bosco --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 12:45 PM Adrianne, I've never thought of Doctor Who as a reboot, merely a restart. The nature of the show itself allows for far more flexibility in storytelling. The same can be said for Trek, but there are established events that formed the show's collective mythos. IMO, those events are being juggled, solely to make money. Yes, it's the Way of All Things. I don't have to accept it. I won't. I'll NEVER see this movie, not on cable, not on free TV, not even if someone were to send it to me, wrapped in C-notes. I'd send it right back. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 11:43:31 -0400 From : Adrianne Brennan To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I dunno. I don't see what they're doing as being any different from the reboot of Doctor Who, except with more major canonical differences. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, wrote: In a message dated 5/10/09 4:24:35 AM, sincere1906@ gmail.com writes: My great fear is that this spawns a whole Trek series that won't have some universal appeal because they adhere to any dynamic set of principles, but a Trek universe where things get blow'd up real good and the movie crowd can clap on cue. Too early to make that judgment before the next film, so we'll just have to wait and see... MHO Sin/Black Galactus I was about to stay
[RE][scifinoir2] When bad typing happens to good people
rave, into that, a quote. Let he who has perfect spelling write the perfect spell-check program. -- MJ Baxter, erstwhile terrorist of the terminally stupid online, hours never-ending. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] When bad typing happens to good people Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 18:00:29 - From : ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Hey, I hate when bad typing happens to good people. For those of you scoring at home: In my cone of silence post the word is pertinent. In my It was a good day post the name is GLEN not Blen We now return you your regularly scheduled cyber group. ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://blackplush.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Cone of Silence for the office place
LMNAATWO! -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Cone of Silence for the office place Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 17:12:15 - From : ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Martin, I have this laminated Dilbert cartoon in my office: POINTY-HAIRED MANAGER - I want suggestions on how we can win one of those best places to work awards DILBERT - You could stop treating us like diseased livestock. POINTY-HAIRED MANAGER - (punching Dilbert in the arm) - Stop being like that! DILBERT - Ow! POINTY-HAIRED MANAGER - If you were livestock, you'd be eating grass. DILBERT - My Donut is made from wheat flour. Wheat is a grass. POINTY-HAIRED MANAGER - And you'd be living in a pen. DILBERT - Also known as a cubicle. POINTY-HAIRED MANAGER - Livestock have no freedom. DILBERT - Can I go home now? POINTY-HAIRED MANAGER - No. DILBERT - Moo. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: This, I could've used aabout fifteen years ago, when I was trying to unionize the company I was working for at the time. (The u-word was, in Management's opinion, even more obscene than the n-, f- and k-words spoken in succession, and had once, by my personal witenss, been grounds for immediate termination. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Cone of Silence for the office place Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 16:48:17 - From : ravenadal To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com This is so pertinet. Just this morning, the woman I work with in the Quality Assurance lab was told to use her inside voice because she could be heard out in the cube farm and, apparently, the unfettered tone of her voice was frightening the corporate veal. ~rave! http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/cliff-kuang/design-innovation/inventors-propose-super-creepy-mute-button-real-world?partner=yahoobuzz A Creepy Mute Button for the Real World BY Cliff Kuang44 minutes ago Joe Paradiso and Yasuhiro Ono of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have just patented a system for a roving cone of silence, so that you can walk around your office building without anyone ever eavesdropping on you. The inventors are trying to fix a common problem in open-plan offices: the sound of conversations that carry across the room, making your every phone call into fodder for other people's gossip sessions. So they devised a sound-damping sensor, comprised of an infra-red motion-detector, a speaker and a microphone. These would be scattered around the walls of an office. You can then activate your personal mute button from your computer. The system locks onto you, identifies anyone close enough to eavesdrop, and hits them with a murmur of white noise so they can't hear you. Of course, the new invention isn't alone. In-office sound masking systems have become popular recently: There's already the Babble and the Accumask, both of which shroud voices by mixing them with randomized noise. But Paradiso and Ono's invention is the only one that has the potential to silence anyone in an office on demand with a single system, while traveling with them as they wander around the office. The downside is that this system requires lots of infrastructure, not to mention the creepiness of having your moves watched by a computer that tags you as a nosey eavesdropper. Do you think the benefits of privacy outweigh the creepy factor? Related: No Joke: These Guys Really Do Work Out of a Cardboard Box Related: The Privacy Arms Race Issue 84 | July 2004 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS*
I'm sorry, you'll have to find out for yourself. Justin On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: That's one constant I've been hearing in every review I've heard from people who've seen this, that Urban's McCoy was truly a thing of beauty. One guy I know even called it channeling DeForrest Kelley. Spoil one thing for me, though. Does Urban-as-McCoy say The Line? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Mon, 11 May 2009 17:13:27 - From : B. Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Well I'm late to the party but I have to say that I really, really, really enjoyed the new movie. It was definitely a good time at the movies and it delivered in a big way. The people in the theater actually applauded at the end the movie. I think all of the main actors did really well in their roles with the exception of Eric Bana who was sort of just there. The biggest surprise for me was Karl Urban taking the McCoy role and running with it. Simon Pegg was hilarious as Scotty. Chris Pine was a fun, rakish young Kirk. I liked Zachary Quinto's take on a younger less in control Spock. Zoe Saldana did a lot with her role and the Spock-Uhura romance made sense in the altered timeline. One of my favorite bits was the scene with Kirk and Uhura's roomate. That got a huge audience reaction. The fate of the Kelvin was an epic opening scene. And seeing the Enterprise in space the first time was gretted with cheers of joy. One plot point I loved was that: S P O I E R S B E L O W Kirk's altered timeline was merely a side effect of Nero's quest to hurt Spock for the destruction of Romulus. And I have to say seeing Kirk come onto the bridge in the gold tunic at the end was just awesome. I marked out like a little kid when I saw that. I had my concerns about what Abrams and Co. were going to so but they knocked out of the park. I'll definitely watch it again. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal wrote: Okay, Martin, I was with you all the way up to the Gabrielle Union in the old school Uhura uniform comment but, to paraphrase Ozzie Osbourne, you have just taken a ride on the bloody crazy train! (Uh, gentlemen, that Gabrielle Union home delivery of the DVD IS something I might be interested in!) ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Not even if you were to buy me the Special Edition DVD when it came out, wrapped that in C-notes and had it hand-delivered to me by Gabrielle Union in an old-school Uhura uniform. (Let 'em doubt my sincerity NOW.) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 16:14:32 -0700 From : Tracey de Morsella To : C’mon, not even on DVD, the Internet or cable? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:39 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Fate, I'm on the record. Best I can do is to give it a lot of thought. In recent months, I've resisted seeing a lot of movies I was told I *had* to see, almost all of which turned out to be crap. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Date : Sun, 10 May 2009 12:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From : Augustus Augustus To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Martin, Tracey and Bosco are correct. Just go and see it and enjoy it for what it's worth. my wife and i saw it last night, and we both liked it, and trust me. when i saw she liked a sci-fi movie, that is a feat! Fate. --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Tracey de Morsella wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009, 2:48 PM Martin: Why can’t you see it absorb it, enjoy it if possible and then come home and complain about the inconsistencies, Like Galactigus did From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:01 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* Dude This movie is GREAT. Miss it if you must but it's GREAT. Did I mention it's frakin GREAT. I really think you're cheating yourself by taking a stand against without having seen it. Seriously. God that movie was GREAT. Bosco --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] New Trek- My take *SPOILERS* To:
[scifinoir2] topic: A military analysis of Star Trek
This is a pretty interesting look at the movie. What do you think? http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/05/star-trek-a-military-analysis/
