[scifinoir2] Re: Iron Man Bad Guy Has Role in Star Trek
the Kelvin looks like it was an alien war ship in the original War of the Worlds. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: This is the bad guy from Iron Man, now playing a starship captain in the Star Trek flick. Despite the subject, the writers seem to forget there was an Indian starship captain in The Voyage Home. He was only on screen for a few moments, I believe he was looking all dour as that whale-space probe-thing shut down his ship's power... *** http://scifiwire.com/2009/04/faran-tahir-breaks-barrie.php Faran Tahir breaks barriers as a new starship captain in Star Trek Faran Tahir breaks barriers as a new starship captain in \i\Star Trek\\/i\ Faran Tahir, a Pakistani-American actor, has the distinction of playing Captain Robau, the first Federation starship captain of Middle Eastern (well, South Asian) ethnicity to play a major role, in J.J. Abrams' upcoming Star Trek , and he told SCI FI Wire the honor isn't lost on him. In this, Tahir is the latest in a long line of ethnic actors who have taken on color-blind roles in Trek , which has had a tradition going back to the original series and creator Gene Roddenberry of imagining a future where every person lives up to his or her fullest potential, regardless of race or ethnicity. (Possible spoilers ahead!) Faran Tahir breaks barriers as a new starship captain in \i\Star Trek\\/i\ The Kelvin [It's] a great thing, Tahir said in an exclusive interview. I have had conversations with J.J. about this, ... because I knew the other people who were being considered for this role, and they were not [cast]. So one day over dinner I was, 'So what was it, why?' You know, just to get a window into it. And I think heâand I have to commend him on thisâwhat he was trying to do was find a certain quality in the actor and just to set up the story, you know? And to me, that is refreshing, and it's great to hear. ... The biggest compliment is that he was looking for a certain quality. He could have found that in me, he could have found that in [anyone else]. And it just happened to be me, and ... the added ... layer to that is that, yeah, I happen to be of a certain descent, and ... the casting was [in] the spirit of what Star Trek is about. Robau is the captain of the Kelvin , the starship on which James T. Kirk's father, George Kirk (Chris Hemsworth), is first officer and is serving with his wife, Winona Kirk (Jennifer Morrison), who is pregnant with James, as the ship comes under attack by the villainous Romulan Nero (Eric Bana). I am on the ship, Tahir said. That's how the story goes. And then, of course I have to go deal with Nero. So that's the premise of it. ... It sets up this entire saga of [ Star Trek ]. People who understand Star Trek , it kind of takes us back to a time when ... the story began. Tahir ( Iron Man ) spoke in a phone interview on Thursday from San Francisco, where he was wrapping production on another film. Following is an edited version of the rest of our interview. Star Trek opens May 8. It must be very exciting to be in this first installment of what is envisioned to be a long series of films. Tahir : It is as exciting as it can be. I mean, I have been a Star Trek fan for ... a very long time. So just on the basis of that, it was awesome. You feel like you're 10 years old again. ... You go out there, and the first time I walked on the set, onto the set of the ship, ... after a moment I was like, Wow. I am captain of a Federation ship. It does kind of transport you to ... your younger days. ... And they you go, OK, well, wait a minute, I have a job to do here, and let's do that now. [But,] yeah, it was very thrilling. What kind of uniform do you wear? Tahir : A very tight one. So eating was out of the question, basically. ... I think it follows the same look as other Star Trek movies have had. I think, very close to what Next Generation and all that had. So it is that kind of a look, very clean, very form-fitting. ... J.J. Abrams is a very, very smart man. I think he realizes that there is a generation that has not grown up with Star Trek . ... There haven't been any movies out for a while. The TV franchise is done. So he is smart enough to respect that and find the bridges which will keep the spirit of the original and yet freshen it up enough so that this new generation, who hasn't grown up with it, can own it. A piece of it. And not have to deal with it as if it were their father's or their brother's or their uncle's passion. ... And part of it is, look, part of it is how the story goes. Part of it is the acting style. I think it's grittier. It's real, yeah. I think it's done well. I think it puts all of those things into play, and I think it succeeds in pretty much all of those tasks.
[scifinoir2] Biggest Film Flops and Fiascoes
Biggest Film Flops and Fiascoes http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/getback-movie-flops.html
[scifinoir2] Morris Chestnut Lands ABC Pilot
Morris Chestnut Lands ABC Pilot http://www.blacktalentnews.com/artman/publish/article_2231.shtml
[scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By http://search.ew.com/EWSearch/ew/search/search.html?type=ew:Nicole+Sperling ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20197922,00.html Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,276445,00.html Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,20001160,00.html for the sequel. And reports that Don http://www.ew.comhttp:/popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-cheadl.htm l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2750,00.html 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2024,00.html . More than Jeff http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,20001002,00.html Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2121,00.html And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,645687,00.html went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs never told Howard's reps that they had issues with the star's on-set conduct. (Marvel would not comment for this story.) It's unclear whether Howard's team walked away first, or if Marvel ended the discussion at that point. Either way, the studio moved quickly to secure Cheadle and the story leaked out the next morning, Oct. 14. And alas for Howard, there will be no next time. More from the EW archive: http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-cheadl.html Iron Man 2: Don Cheadle's in Terrence http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-2-terr.html Howard Breaks Silence on Iron Man
[scifinoir2] Re: Short film: Anneo's Song (completed)
Here you go Grayson, try this link... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GIOSMJZjzc Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The link didn't work for me :( Grayson Reyes-Cole http://www.graysonreyescole.com Facebook Bright Star When evil is done for the greater good, a price must always be paid... Lyrical Press October 2008 --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Said Kakese Dibinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Said Kakese Dibinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [scifinoir2] Short film: Anneo's Song (completed) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 4:57 AM Hello folks, I hope that all is well...Heres the link to the completed horror short Anneo's Song that I wrote and produced a few months back.enjoy. ... link: http://myspacetv. com/index. cfm?fuseaction= vids.individualvideoid=45675015 Said Said Yenga Kakese Dibinga Director General The Bayindo Group SA POB 1782 Los Angeles, CA 90078 O: 1.323.603.8380 F: 1.323.389.0667 M: 1.323.822.8764 EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Personal Website: www.saiddibinga. com Yahoo IM:skdibinga
[scifinoir2] Hello from Said, I've been underground for awhile...
Sorry for the long absence from the scene, I've been working on my Congo movie, my horror movie, plus I've been in development on my Roman empire movie and the Haitian revolution short film...all while dealing with a knee injury... If you want to see a myspace clip from the Congo short film, send me an email offline: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll be back above ground in a week or two...but I see I've been missing some good conversations but thats okay, I have my EarthSea DVD to keep me company... Said [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[scifinoir2] (Image) Joker in Dark Knight: Returns
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[scifinoir2] First look: 'Speed Racer' wheels into live action - USATODAY.com
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[scifinoir2] The 12 Cylon reminds me of Apokalypse's The Twelve
Is it me or does the 12 Cyclon mystique remind me of The Twelve most powerful mutants listed by Apocalypse in Marvel Comics? I don't watch Battlestar Galactica so I don't know if there is a similarity in stoyline...
[scifinoir2] I saw 28 days later.
I feel cheated. SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! The ending was beyond pathetic. Ragers kill non-Ragers but they don't kill ragers, so why did the husband kill the wife since she had the virus also? Unless he was pissed that she turned him... Now that leads me to the wifes death. Last we saw here was being dragged from the window with some kid. She was finished. Or so it seemed. But when they exam her in the hospital she has a bite mark. Also, the virus is in Frace? Is that where the helicopter was going? Did little Tintin bite somebody in Cannes? Also, the night vision scenes was confusing. I couldn't tell if the rager was getting beat down or if the lady soldier was getting beat down. When buffy and jody fell down the escalator, how did buffy and jody end up on differant parts of the platform so far apart? Much cool how the pilot mowed down the ragers. Uncool how they killed off the soldier (Doyle) pushing the van. The firebombing was cool, the vx gas was cool, the sniping of the ragers was good but was the rager father mentaly linked to his son like Jaws and Michale Myers? Why was he following him? I felt cheated. Said
[scifinoir2] Villains
Y'know, Tracy's idea for a spin-off or concurrent series entitled Villains has had me thinking since she posted it... How would you folks see this program?
[scifinoir2] Video: Vet beaten as onlookers watch
*Please note, the sender's email address has not been verified. I can't even watch it... Said If you are having trouble with any of the links in this message, or if the URL's are not appearing as links, please follow the instructions at the bottom of this email. Title: Video: Vet beaten as onlookers watch Copy and paste the following into your Web browser to access the sent link: http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThisetMailToID=1917880918pt=Y Copy and paste the following into your Web browser to SAVE THIS link: http://www.savethis.clickability.com/st/saveThisPopupApp?clickMap=saveFromETpartnerID=89487etMailToID=1917880918pt=Y Copy and paste the following into your Web browser to forward this link: http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=forwardetMailToID=1917880918partnerID=89487pt=Y Email pages from any Web site you visit - add the EMAIL THIS button to your browser, copy and paste the following into your Web browser: http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=browserButtonspt=Y; * Instructions: - If your e-mail program doesn't recognize Web addresses: 1. With your mouse, highlight the Web Address above. Be sure to highlight the entire Web address, even if it spans more than one line in your email. 2. Select Copy from the Edit menu at the top of your screen. 3. Launch your Web browser. 4. Paste the address into your Web browser by selecting Paste from the Edit menu. 5. Click Go or press Enter or Return on your keyboard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] I watched Pain Killer Jane yesterday...
What the EARTHSEA?!?!?!?!?! I felt like that guy in Clockwork Orange who's eyes were pinned open at the end of the movie. (I see Nick Cage is doing that in Next). I couldn't watch Pain Killer Jane longer than 10 minutes. My lady friend sitting next to me asked me why I was watching PKJ and I said answered her that I wanted to see if its as bad as people say it is. She then ask me, How can you tell how bad it is if your your face is in your hands and your looking at the floor shaking your head? Because I can hear it., I answered.
[scifinoir2] Re: I watched Pain Killer Jane yesterday...
Okay, I'll try to get throu what I'm about to write... I can feel my chest tighten already... Getting dark, must stay conscious... 1) When PKJ staggers down the alley in the rain, why did the rain follow her as she staggered up the alley but not rain anymore where she was a step ago? It was like a rain cloud hovering over Snoopys dog house 2) Tech geek dressed like a nerd...so original 3) Everyone is wearing black. 4) She's wearing matrix gear in public like she's supposed to stand out? 5) If they have such high-tech equipment, I assume its expensive. So they can only afford to be in a warehouse? 6) If they have so much money, they can't afford a scanner that automatically scans for bugs with inside the building? They don't know Gen Hackmans Brill from Will Smiths Enemy of The State? 7) Expensive equipment and the tech guy sits on a chair from a clearance sale? 8) They wonder how she found the warehouse. They show the flashback of how she put the bug on the guy along with her saying something, then they cut back to the present and she repeats the line she said in the flashback. It reminds me of that stupid middle and ending in Halle Berry's Perfect Instinct. They show Halle typing the instant message text bar I left my panties at Keith Johnson's house, please don't tell anyone at scifinoir and they show her saying the line at the same time as she types it? I don't anyone that says out loud what they type in a text message And because the plot is so convoluted that even that even the writer couldn't make sense so they had Rabisi's character tell Halle everything that he knows and it basically covers everything from the movie? Then Rabisi asks Halle what he's going to do for him? Didn't they see how it's done in the film To Live and Die in LA with Willem Dafoe? I'm sorry, I regress . 9) Exactly how high was the building that Jane and the black man were falling down the side of? King Kong hit the ground faster than they did in last years King Kong. Did they hit the ground? I changed the channel 10) Jane's crew is cookie cutter. So diverse, so original. It reminds me of Mutant X . 11) Now I see why they didn't give the lead actress more lines in Terminator 3. 11A) I can't get over the rain following her down the alley like a dark cloud over Snoopys dog house. 12) Did you notice that all these romantic comedy movies and the Joan of Arcadias play that same ATT commercial like music All around the world like they have exclusive rights to grunge music? Who picks the music for this show, Courtney Love? The music on PKJ reminds me of that pathetic intro music in the later years of Enterprise with Captain Archer. 12A) I can't get over the rain following her down the alley like a dark cloud over Snoopys dog house. 13) Do you notice on the CSI shows and shows like The Closer that the Anglo lead actor/actress stands in front with everyone else standing behind him or her? Every time they showed the lead Anglo man in PKJ, the rest of the team is standing behind him like they're afraid of PKJ might shoot someone and they use the Anglo leader like a human shield? I can't write anymore, I'm done . 12A) I can't get over the rain following her down the alley like a dark cloud over Snoopys dog house. Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a Pain Kill Jane support group that you guys can join? Tracey Said Kakese Dibinga wrote: I don't know know where to begin, I really don't. I mean. I really am at a loss of words about how bad it was... www.onceuponatimeinthecongo.com - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: I watched Pain Killer Jane yesterday...
And another thing... 13) Halle Berrys Kenyan accent in X-Men 3 was stronger than the writing for the Pain Killer Jane episode I, uhm, watched Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, drcsaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I'll try to get throu what I'm about to write... I can feel my chest tighten already... Getting dark, must stay conscious... 1) When PKJ staggers down the alley in the rain, why did the rain follow her as she staggered up the alley but not rain anymore where she was a step ago? It was like a rain cloud hovering over Snoopys dog house 2) Tech geek dressed like a nerd...so original 3) Everyone is wearing black. 4) She's wearing matrix gear in public like she's supposed to stand out? 5) If they have such high-tech equipment, I assume its expensive. So they can only afford to be in a warehouse? 6) If they have so much money, they can't afford a scanner that automatically scans for bugs with inside the building? They don't know Gen Hackmans Brill from Will Smiths Enemy of The State? 7) Expensive equipment and the tech guy sits on a chair from a clearance sale? 8) They wonder how she found the warehouse. They show the flashback of how she put the bug on the guy along with her saying something, then they cut back to the present and she repeats the line she said in the flashback. It reminds me of that stupid middle and ending in Halle Berry's Perfect Instinct. They show Halle typing the instant message text bar I left my panties at Keith Johnson's house, please don't tell anyone at scifinoir and they show her saying the line at the same time as she types it? I don't anyone that says out loud what they type in a text message And because the plot is so convoluted that even that even the writer couldn't make sense so they had Rabisi's character tell Halle everything that he knows and it basically covers everything from the movie? Then Rabisi asks Halle what he's going to do for him? Didn't they see how it's done in the film To Live and Die in LA with Willem Dafoe? I'm sorry, I regress . 9) Exactly how high was the building that Jane and the black man were falling down the side of? King Kong hit the ground faster than they did in last years King Kong. Did they hit the ground? I changed the channel 10) Jane's crew is cookie cutter. So diverse, so original. It reminds me of Mutant X . 11) Now I see why they didn't give the lead actress more lines in Terminator 3. 11A) I can't get over the rain following her down the alley like a dark cloud over Snoopys dog house. 12) Did you notice that all these romantic comedy movies and the Joan of Arcadias play that same ATT commercial like music All around the world like they have exclusive rights to grunge music? Who picks the music for this show, Courtney Love? The music on PKJ reminds me of that pathetic intro music in the later years of Enterprise with Captain Archer. 12A) I can't get over the rain following her down the alley like a dark cloud over Snoopys dog house. 13) Do you notice on the CSI shows and shows like The Closer that the Anglo lead actor/actress stands in front with everyone else standing behind him or her? Every time they showed the lead Anglo man in PKJ, the rest of the team is standing behind him like they're afraid of PKJ might shoot someone and they use the Anglo leader like a human shield? I can't write anymore, I'm done . 12A) I can't get over the rain following her down the alley like a dark cloud over Snoopys dog house. Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: Is there a Pain Kill Jane support group that you guys can join? Tracey Said Kakese Dibinga wrote: I don't know know where to begin, I really don't. I mean. I really am at a loss of words about how bad it was... www.onceuponatimeinthecongo.com - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: More Info from Garrielle Union on Football Wives
The little girls were nice, but beyond that this movie was beyond lame and stupid. If this movie made money, we'd see more movies just as bad. So may plots holes that even Reed Richards couldn't make scence of it... Said Tyler should give new writers a chance --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, it was the worst of the three films, very predictable and cliched. Too bad, because the two leads had lots of potential. But, I still supported it--and will support his subsequent films--because Black people have too few films for us by us at the theatre. How often do you see dark-skinned Black men and women on the big screen who are professional, intelligent, decent, Christian, and loving--and *not* running after a white or Latin lover instead (think Hitch). -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gabrielle Union is the only good thing in Daddy's Little Girls which is a train wreck even by Tyler Perry standards. I did not, for a minute, believe she was a high-powered attorney (loved her fitted power suits, though). ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Gabrielle Union shooting `Football Wives' pilot By RICHARD L. ELDREDGE | Friday, March 16, 2007, 01:31 AM The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Before Dallas Austin Foundation gala attendee Gabrielle Union blew out of town this week, we managed to get some scoop from the actress on the pressing commitments back in Hollywood that cut her Atlanta visit short. Union disclosed that she's been cast in the currently shooting pilot of Football Wives, the U.S. version of Footballers Wives, the hit U.K. soap. And in terms of casting, the upcoming ABC prime-time soap has a chance to be the network's next Brothers and Sisters. In addition to Union, the cast includes Idlewild actor Ving Rhames, Dawson's Creek grad James Van Der Beek, Xena actress Lucy Lawless, Invasion actor Eddie Cibrian, Love, Inc. actress Holly Robinson Peete and Union's Daddy's Little Girls co-star Brian J. White. My character's name is Chardonnay Lane, and she's not the nicest girl around, Union told us, flashing a big smile. She's a pop star on her way up, and for a girl from Nebraska, she's really fun to play! I've joked on set that I also go by Pinot Grigio. Union also has fond memories of shooting Atlanta director-writer Tyler Perry's Daddy's Little Girls here last year. Of the recently released flick that underperformed at the box office, Union cracked to the assembled media, And I'm sure everyone saw that movie, right? While in town, Union said her haunts included Justin's, the Atlanta Fish Market, Two Urban Licks and Atlantic Station. I pretty much blew my per diem at all those boutiques at Atlantic Station, too! she disclosed. And her favorite Atlanta eatery? Any place that serves biscuits, basically! she replied. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: My Take - Amazing Grace
Sorry if this was alredy asked, but did this movie make mention of how the song Amazing Grace is a song that came from the captured Africans who were humming it on a ship? Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick Take: This is a well made, intelligent (I can hear some groaning that means 'boring!') film, but it's not for adrenalin junkies. The only real action takes place in the form of spirited debate in the British Parliament. If you find procedural battles and witty repartee and double entedres boring--especially when told with dry British humour--you might find the film a bit slow. But then in a way that's the point: some of the most monumental changes in history came about not due to revolution, but through the simple device of boring, uncharismatic, and frankly unintelligent men arguing ad infinitum about their self-interest. (Heck, some such men get elected President). Ioan Gruffudd is likeable and serves as the emotional heart of the film, and the cast is roundly competent. The movie can be a bit over-sentimental at times, especially in the spare uses of the song Amazing Grace, but overall it's a good picture. I still find myself chafing, however, at any films dealing with slavery that marginalize the Black characters... Full Take: Confession time: I'm skeptical of films that focus on white protagonists saving black folk. While I freely acknowledge that well-intentioned whites have been crucial to black struggles, I always feel the blacks in such films are relegated to secondary roles, often appearing as bystanders in their own fight. I always wonder about the untold stories and how they might make a good movie into a great one. Such is the case here. And Amazing Grace is a good movie, if a bit slow in pacing. It follows the decades-long battle of William Wilberforce (Ioan Gruffudd) to end slavery in the British Empire. As the movie starts, Wilberforce has returned home from years in Parliament, where he's fought unsuccessfully to get an anti-slavery bill passed. The fight has taken a huge toll on him: although a relatively young man, he's sickly, subject to coughing fits, abdominal pains, and nightmares. But the most obvious toll is to his soul, as evidenced by the haunted look in his eyes, his unsure speech, the hesitance in his very bearing. This is a man defeated. Through flashbacks we see the details of his early life. They show a young firebrand dueling verbally with members of the House of Commons, cutting them with his rapier wit. An idealistic and religious man, Wilberforce struggled with the decision of devoting his life to politics or to God. It is this dual nature of piety and fiery idealism that brings him to the attention of the anti-slavery forces and gives them hope. But they are going against a centuries old institution that generates untold wealth for the Empire. Many in Parliament agree that slavery's wrong, but they also fear the loss of wealth its loss would meannot to mention potential social upheaval. We watch as the struggle causes Wilberforce to lose his way, only to find it again later. The word earnest comes to mind when I see Gruffudd, whether it's the tortured and sympathetic Lancelot in King Arthur, or the brilliant-but-self-doubting Reed Richards of Fantastic Four. His Wilberforce is a likeable character, a man bursting with decency, idealism, and a good bit of naiveté. You can't help but empathize with him in the long struggle. The supporting cast is solid, especially Romola Garai as his love interest, and Benedict Cumberbatch as William Pitt, who must tread carefully the path between supporting William's cause and his duties as Prime Minister. Especially noteworthy is Albert Finney in a small-but-memorable role as John Newton, the slave ship captain who actually wrote Amazing Grace as a type of penitence. Knowing his history, one can't help but view Newton with contempt, but seeing the broken, sorrowful man he's become, one can't help but realize the hold slavery held over the entire Western world, like an addictive drug that slowly destroys those too weak to give it up. Things can drag a bit despite the fine cast. The flashbacks last for the bulk of the movie, and can be confusing at times. The film's a talkie in many ways, with little in the way of action to change the pace. That's not necessarily bad. Not every revolution comes at the point of a gun. Indeed, the endless debates underscore the difficult battles many freedom fighters face: sometimes it might actually be easier to gather a bunch of men with guns and force a change. Changing peoples' actions can be done quickly; changing their attitudes is more difficult and less flashy. Curiously, the song Amazing Grace itself isn't as central as one might expect. It's heard a few times, such as when Wilberforce sings it later in the film as a sign of his spiritual healing and renewed sense of hope. But it's less the
[scifinoir2] (waaaaay out of the scifinoir2 realm) Man gets probation for dead deer sex
Wed Mar 21, 6:15 PM ET A 20-year-old man received probation after he was convicted of having sexual contact with a dead deer. The sentence also requires Bryan James Hathaway to be evaluated as a sex offender and treated at the Institute for Psychological and Sexual Health in Duluth, Minn. The state believes that particular place is the best to provide treatment for the individual, Assistant District Attorney Jim Boughner said. Hathaway's probation will be served at the same time as a nine-month jail sentence he received in February for violating his extended supervision. He was found guilty in April 2005 of felony mistreatment of an animal after he killed a horse with the intention of having sex with it. He was sentenced to 18 months in jail and two years of extended supervision on that charge as well as six years of probation for taking and driving a vehicle without the owner's consent. Hathaway pleaded no contest earlier this month to misdemeanor mistreatment of an animal for the incident involving the deer. He was sentenced Tuesday in Douglas County Circuit Court. The type of behavior is disturbing, Judge Michael Lucci said. It's disturbing to the public. It's disturbing to the court. ___ Information from: The Daily Telegram, http://www.superiorwi.com
[scifinoir2] Re: Where is everybody??
Glad that you're still riding with us! Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man, you nailed something that I meant to mention, but forgot. The DISEASE thing! Since I began researching blood type, I found that type 'A' people are much more susceptible to certain cancers because the cancer cells mimic type A cells. In other words, A immune systems tend to allow certain cancers and don't fight them off because they think they are 'good' cells. Breast cancer is one type. For a while whenever I saw a woman without hair, or who appeared to have been through something, I asked about cancer. The funny thing is that most were type A, and quite a few were on the blood type diet AFTER they had the cancer, and have been in remission. Not very scientific, but VERY eye-opening. Being type A, I had a large tumor under my left ear along my jawline. I had it removed, and I've been pretty much on the diet since. I haven't had any growths to speak of since... Oh...I had PORK RIBS, PEACH COBBLER, Black-eyed Peas, and Collard Greens for dinner yesterday! I'm paying for it today, but psyllium husks have been a life-saver for me since 1984! BURP!!! THE BLOOD TYPE DIET ENCYCLOPEDIA The A-Z Reference Guide for the Blood Type Connection to Symptoms, Disease, Conditions, Medications, Vitamins, Supplements, Herbs and Food. Over 400 entries on treating symptoms and illness according to blood type. Dr. Peter J. D'Adamo has established himself as the world's most popular and respected authority on the connection between blood type and eating, cooking and living. Eat Right 4 (For) Your Type, Cook Right 4 (For) Your Type, and Live Right 4 (For) Your Type have created an international phenomenon. Now comes the essential desk reference to answer all your questions. This is the ultimate encyclopedic blood type guide to conditions, herbs, supplements, medication and food. Look up everything from asthma to sore throat, from cancer to thrombosis to find out which blood type has the most susceptibility, how to attempt to heal the condition through blood type recommendations, and which medications are best for which blood type. Each condition entry will also cite rigorous studies showing frequency and severity in each blood type. In addition, entries on the most widely used medications, such as aspirin, penicillin, anti-depressants, cough syrup, antihistamines, allergy medication, arthritis medication, pain-killers, chemotherapy, among others will help readers find out what is helpful or harmful to their blood type. Food, herb and supplement entries give specific information by blood type on efficacy for different conditions as well as overall health. A comprehensive introduction lays out the history of blood type science as well as confirmation of D'Adamo's theories yielded by the new maps of the human gene. The Eat Right 4 (For) Your Type Ultimate A-to-Z Blood Type Encyclopedia will give you keys to unlocking the secrets to the health and well-being of yourself and your family. * The first comprehensive blood type reference by the only person alive capable of producing it * Contains prescriptive advice as well as resources * Includes a first-ever comprehensive introduction to the science, biology and genetics behind blood type * Charts, maps, photos and a glossary. _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:28 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Where is everybody?? Type O is of course the universal donor, and much in demand. A good thing about me being type AB is that I can take A, B, AB,and of course, O, meaning I'm a universal acceptor. That's good for me if I ever needed a transfusion (Heaven forbid). But the articles I read also mentioned that type AB's being a universal acceptor can be bad in terms of fighting off certain problems in the body. It's as if certain early problems that the body should reject can be accepted by AB. Not sure if that's true, but I have developed at least three or four cysts in several parts of my body recently. Just have to be vigilant... -- Original message -- From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:cwbadie%40yahoo.com com I'm type O, so I never had issues with dairy products other than mild lactose intolerance...I'm going to look into this thing about blood type and diet... KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: Actually, I did some research into blood type a year or so ago when you first mentioned it. I never bought the books of the one doctor you referenced, but did some web surfing. I'm type AB, and the literature said I should basically stay away from almost all meat and dairy. There
[scifinoir2] Re: Survivor to Divide Teams by Race
Why? Why? Why? Oh yeah, I forgot: ratings... What a joke of an idea.. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The United States is one of the most ethnically diverse countries in the world. Despite the fact the numerous studies have proven that diversity enhances the productivity of teams. Survivor has opted to embrace our country's weaknesses by setting up ethnically segregated teams Survivor: Cook Islands castaways Photo by: Monty Brinton / CBSSurvivor to Divide Teams by Race http://people.aol.com/people/article/0,26334,1304035,00.html Fueled by critics who slammed its lack of diversity, CBS's Survivor has unveiled a new twist for its upcoming season: Contestants will be divided by ethnicity. When it premieres Sept. 14, Survivor: Cook Islands will feature 20 castaways divided into four tribes: black, white, Asian and Latino. We're going to take some heat for it, says creator and executive producer Mark Burnett of the twist, which was announced Wednesday morning. But it's a great cast. For a show entering its 13th season with steady ratings but ebbing buzz, the decision could be a shot in the arm if it once again generates Survivor water-cooler chatter. Some people will think this is controversial. Others will think, 'What's the big deal?' host Jeff Probst tells PEOPLE. Either way, it's going to be very interesting. Along with the usual real-estate agents and struggling actors, the cast of characters competing for the $1 million purse includes a heavy- metal guitarist, a female police officer who has been shot in the line of duty, a Vietnam War refugee who manages a nail salon and a gay fashion director for a denim company. The segregated Survivor grew from an effort to diversify a show that has featured primarily white contestants (and winners ÃÂÃÂ only two of the 12 winners have been minorities). We've taken a lot of flack, says Burnett. But Probst says the main reason for the Emmy-winning show's largely white complexion was a dearth of minority applicants. Most of the people who apply are white, he says. That's just a fact. In response, the Survivor casting team scouted for a more diverse group of players everywhere from the Internet to audition tapes for another CBS show, The Amazing Race. Until the tribes merge later in the season, the four teams will battle each other and, perhaps, racial stereotypes. There are going to be people looking for stereotypes: Will this tribe be smarter than this tribe, or will this tribe be faster than this tribe? says Probst. That's why I think it's fun. But five people on a tribe do not represent an entire ethnic group. Set in New Zealand's Cook Islands, the location of the famous mutiny on the HMS Bounty, this season features a pirate theme, including Tribal Councils held on an elaborate shipwreck set built into the rocky coastline of a local island. Whether one ethnicity ends up plundering ÃÂÃÂ or walking the plank ÃÂÃÂThis is a game that starts very even, says Probst. Everybody starts the same way with the same materials and the same chance: a 1-in-20 shot at a million bucks. Tracey de Morsella The Multicultural Advantage Phone: 305-407-3803 Email: tdemorsella AT multiculturaladvantage.com Publisher of The Diversity Recruitment Advertising Toolkit http://www.multiculturaladvantage.com/store/ Diversity Staffing Center http://www.multiculturaladvantage.com/recruit/ View The Diversity Advantage Blog at: http://www.multiculturaladvantage.net/diversity/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Black hero has race changed in 911 movie]
This woould be a good time to make a film on one of the black
firefighters that lost his life...
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are now only 312 Black firefighters in the New York City Fire
Department out of a total force of 11,350. They make up 2.7% of the
fire department, in a city where 24.5% of the population is Black
and
nearly 50% is minority. The fire department is the city's least
diverse municipal work force. Twelve Black firefighters gave their
lives along with 332 other emergency personnel in the World Trade
Center tragedy.
Anyway, here's the link you asked for:
http://www.pww.org/index.php/article/view/490/1/50/
The horrible events of 9/11 brought people together. But now there
is
an effort to destroy that unity. The statue planned to commemorate
firefighters lost at the World Trade Center has generated much
controversy and some thoughtful discussion.
Should the monument depict a team, made up of an African American, a
Latino, and a white firefighter raising the U.S. flag, as proposed
by
the artists? Or should it show three white firefighters, as in the
news photograph of the World Trade Center flag-raising which
suggested it?
-- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote:
Are you trying to tell me that the NYC firefighters actually
claimed
that *none* of the hundreds of firefighters on the scenes were
Black??? That can't be possible. What about all the cops, Port
Authority, transportation cops pressed into service, medics,
doctors,
etc? Got any links to this particular bit of info?
-- Original message --
From: ravenadal ravenadal@
I find this interesting in light of all the flack the city of NYC
took
from NY firefighters when the city proposed erecting a 911
monument
with one of the memorialized firefighters being black. The
firefighters were adamant that since none of the 911 heros were
black
this would be the worse form of politcial correctness.
~(no)rave!
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly
Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote:
Original Message
Subject: [AFAMHED] Black hero has race changed in 911 movie
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:16:34 -0400
From: Boyce Watkins - Syracuse Finance bwatkins@
Reply-To: Boyce Watkins - Syracuse Finance bwatkins@
To: AFAMHED@
'WTC' casting error draws flak from African-Americans
Wednesday, August 16, 2006
By L.A. Johnson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06228/713723-254.stm
A hero of another color in Oliver Stone's World Trade Center
has
some
people again balking at the whitewashing of a black character
in a
Hollywood film.
http://www.post-gazette.com/popup.asp?img=http://www.post-
gazette.com/images4/20060815ap_wtchero_450.jpg
Bebeto Matthews/The Associated Press
*Jason Thomas of Columbus, Ohio, helped rescue Port Authority
police
officers John McLoughlin and Will Jimeno on 9/11. In Oliver
Stone's
movie, World Trade Center, a white actor was cast to portray
Thomas. **
Click photo for larger image.*
This time it's the character of Marine Sgt. Thomas, one of two
former
Marines who help rescue New York Port Authority Officers Will
Jimeno
and
John McLoughlin from beneath 20 feet of twisted metal, broken
concrete
and sparking debris in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks.
In the film, white actor William Mapother -- who's Tom Cruise's
cousin
and who played Ethan Rom in the first season of Lost and
Quecreek
miner John Flathead Phillippi in ABC's The Pennsylvania
Miners'
Story -- plays Sgt. Thomas.
Last week, the real Sgt. Thomas -- a black, former Marine named
Jason
Thomas of Columbus, Ohio -- came forward and told his story.
Someone needed help. It didn't matter who, Thomas told the
Associated
Press. I didn't even have a plan. But I have all this training
as a
Marine, and all I could think was, 'My city is in need.'
So, instead of heading to class at the John Jay College of
Criminal
Justice at City University of New York that fateful morning, he
headed
toward the devastation. At ground zero, he ran into another ex-
Marine
and Connecticut accountant, Staff Sgt. David Karnes, and the two
decided
to search for survivors. Eventually they found Jimeno and
McLoughlin.
Karnes, who couldn't reach Manhattan's 911 from his cell phone
at
ground
zero, called his sister in Munhall, Joy Karnes. She helped
relay
information to New York emergency services that helped them
pinpoint
the
trapped men's location.
Film producer Michael Shamberg apologized to Thomas for the
racial
inaccuracy in the film, saying they realized the mistake only
after
production had already begun, the Associated Press reported.
That apology comes a
[scifinoir2] Yahoo! News Story - Mystery 9/11 rescuer reveals himself - Yahoo! News
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[scifinoir2] NYTimes.com: The Scandal at the Zoo
This page was sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW YORK REGION / THE CITY | August 6, 2006 The Scandal at the Zoo By MITCH KELLER One hundred years ago, the Bronx Zoo unveiled what it considered a savvy new exhibit. It was popular then, but today it would be unthinkable. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/06/nyregion/thecity/06zoo.html?ex=1155528000en=4dea62a13e88d39eei=5070emc=eta1 - Advertisement -- The Academy loved these movies enough to name each one Best Picture. What did the original New York Times movie reviews have to say about these Oscar winning films? Go to the Best Pictures review archive: http://ads.nyt.com/th.ad/nytnyt-textEmailThisdefault-Center1A/academyawards_text/?_RM_REDIR_=http://www.nytimes.com/ref/movies/oscars/bestpictures.html - Advertisement -- 0 -- ABOUT THIS E-MAIL This e-mail was sent to you by a friend through NYTimes.com's E-mail This Article service. For general information about NYTimes.com, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] NYTimes.com 500 Seventh Avenue New York, NY 10018 Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Gibson Allegedly Spouts Anti-Semitic Remarks during DUI Arrest
yeah, yeah, yeah. ;-) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We'll build a dam when you go wrong. Said Kakese Dibinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see your point, I see your point. To me its racist because QT knows the painful history behind it. If George W. Bush said at the recent NAACP convention, I don't understand why the niggers in the community do wrong to good people. Can you imagine the media reaction? All President Bush has to say is People in the black community say it. Quentin Tarentino has black actors saying it. I don't understand what's all the controversy about me saying that word, I wasn't talking about the good blacks, I was talking about the niggers in the community that Chris Rock talked about. I don't know what the Jews and the Latins call each other behind closed doors but like I said to my lady recently, I haven't heard in public a Jew say to another, Whats up my kike? or a Latino/Hispanic/Chicano say to another Latino/Hispanic/Chicano Whats up my spic? or That's my wetback right there. Quentin, in my opinion, because he has Sam Jackson, Ving and other black folks backing him up, he sees no drama with it. Well let me see QT do a movie where kike or chink is kicked around every 3rd scene and lets see what happens. The day someone bitch slaps Quentin for greeting him with the nigger word will be a rude awakening for him. He couldn't sue the guy since saying nigger makes it a hate crime. I side with spike on this one. As for the rappers, I feel that too many of them still possess the if its black it has no value mentality. I always point to when not to long ago when the Asian community thought that Sean Combs said derogatory things about them in his music and he held a press conference New York, yes he held a press conference to apologize to the Asian community if he offended them and to say he has a lot of love for the Asian community... Yet Sean Combs hasn't seen a reason to to apologize to the blackcommunity for the niggers, bitch's, and ho's labels that he hurls at them...That says it all for me. Just my opinion...just my flow Said - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Excuse me while I whip this out. Cleavon Little , Blazing Saddles __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Who Wants to be a Superhero? Who Cares?!
I'd rather watch Spike TV's Blade and Teresa Graves Vampira back to back --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I forced myself to watch that, I felt absolutely nothing. Now I know where all of my anger went. The sole reason i can fathom for the world being subjected to this is the massive contract that Stan the Man almost certainly had SciFi sign for this. I anticipate more crap on the horizon. Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I thought it couldn't get any worse. I didn't think any reality show could be dumber than the is he gay dating show, the midget dating show, the are you my daddy? show. Wife Swap. How wrong I was! While trying take care of some financial business, I turned on the TV for background noise. (That'll teach me to use the boob tube instead of listening to a music CD!) Waiting for Tavis Smiley, I idly surfed by Sci Fi Channel, and watched a few minutes of Stan Lee's Who Wants to Be a Superhero. Man what junk! I can't tell if the participants are really somewhat delusional geeks who take this crap seriously, wannabe actors and stunt people looking for an in into Hollywood, or people who really want to get into the comics industry. It's so dumb: Monkey Woman? Feedback? Nitro G?! Fat Mama??? (And ain't it just perfect that the lone Black person selected is a heavyset Black woman who sings Fat mama?! Well, I guess it's better than if she had on a head rag and started singing Black Mammy or something!) I couldn't decide whether to laugh or gag as a curiously subdued and ham-handed Stan Lee appeared on a TV screen handing out assignments to his would-be heroes, admonishing them about the seriousness of what they're doing. Hell, if Lee hadn't cried Excelsior! at the end of his session, I' barely know it was him! After that it was all downhill, as the contestants had to change from their secret identities into their uniforms, on the street, but out of sight of passersby. Then they ran some stupid-a course while some dopey kid pretended to be lost, screaming help me! all the while. The dweebs who ignored the girl--choosing their assignment over saving a civilian--were the ones chosen to possibly be kicked off. Poor Nitro G! He looked so sad when Lee told him he had to go home! Sniff! Somebody please tell me I missed it, that this is a cleverly self-deprecating piece of pop cultural deconstruction, and that it's actually funny and witty. Tell me I didn't waste twenty minutes of my life on this junk! And tell me one of you will watch it and give us regular updates so I don't have to waste anymore brain cells. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Excuse me while I whip this out. Cleavon Little , Blazing Saddles __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: [Non-Scifi] Slave trader's descendant begs forgiveness in Africa
judging by your answer of agreement to the 1st statement, it's the Henry Louis Gates Jr., line of thinking: blame everyone else except the person in the mirror...maybe the decendents of the freed black slaves in America who owned black slaves themselves should apologize. .. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judging from your response...yes...Read again and try once more... drcsaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I missing something here? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer cwbadie@ wrote: Here, here! Martin Pratt martin_pratt18@ wrote: And now, the descendants of the natives who sold him slaves should beg forgiveness. Said Kakese Dibinga drcsaid@ wrote: Slave trader's descendant begs forgiveness in Africa By Terry Kirby, Chief Reporter Published: 22 June 2006 Sir John Hawkins was a buccaneering Elizabethan seaman and adventurer, who helped his cousin Sir Francis Drake beat the Spanish Armada. And he was also one of the pioneers of the slave trade, becoming the first person to buy slaves in west Africa and sell them to Spanish landowners in the Caribbean. Now his descendent, Andrew Hawkins, a youth worker from Cornwall, has delivered an extraordinary personal but public apology for his ancestors' involvement in the trade, kneeling in chains in front of 25,000 Africans in a stadium in Banjul, the capital of the Gambia. Mr Hawkins's apology took place during a trip this month to west Africa organised by the Lifeline Expedition, a charity project aimed at achieving reconciliation over the slave trade. Mr Hawkins, 37, from Liskeard, said yesterday: I apologised on behalf of my family. I apologised for the adults and children taken. I recognise that it's a small, simple act to say sorry - but it was a handful of people who started the slave trade and the ripples of their actions caused evil throughout the continent of Africa. It was one of the most memorable things I've ever done. It was a learning experience. You see just how deep the wounds left by the slave trade are. As someone with family links to the slave traders, it was a very difficult thing to see the consequences of their actions. Hopefully a handful of people can now be the beginning of something good. After he had spoken, the Vice-President of Gambia, Isatou Njie Saidy, came forward to accept the apology and symbolically remove the chains. The event was part of the Roots Festival, linked to the Alex Haley bestseller, Roots, which tells the story of the origins of black Americans in the slave trade. The Lifeline Expedition group also wore chains and shackles during a reconciliation walk in the village of Juffureh, from which Kunta Kinte, the slave whose story is the basis for Roots, is believed to have come from. Mr Hawkins was among 20 Europeans on the Gambia trip, which is part of a seven-year reconciliation project which started in 2000. It aims to bring people from Africa, the Americas and Europe together to promote fair trade and foster education about issues of slavery, racism and reconciliation. David Potts, the founder of the Lifeline Expedition said: We do not think there has been a really sincere apology from Europeans to Africa and we want to do our part in trying to redress that.'' Next year, the group plans a walk between London, Liverpool, Bristol and Plymouth to mark the 200 years since the abolition of the slave trade in 1807. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article1094749.ece www.onceuponatimeinthecongo.blogspot.com www.onceuponatimeinthecongo.blogspot.com - Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there's much more to come. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Excuse me while I whip this out. Cleavon Little , Blazing Saddles - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] La'V' is always watching...Be careful who you talk to. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] La'V' is always watching...Be careful who you talk to. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA
[scifinoir2] Re: [Non-Scifi] Slave trader's descendant begs forgiveness in Africa
And why is that? And beg forgiveness from who? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And now, the descendants of the natives who sold him slaves should beg forgiveness. Said Kakese Dibinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Slave trader's descendant begs forgiveness in Africa By Terry Kirby, Chief Reporter Published: 22 June 2006 Sir John Hawkins was a buccaneering Elizabethan seaman and adventurer, who helped his cousin Sir Francis Drake beat the Spanish Armada. And he was also one of the pioneers of the slave trade, becoming the first person to buy slaves in west Africa and sell them to Spanish landowners in the Caribbean. Now his descendent, Andrew Hawkins, a youth worker from Cornwall, has delivered an extraordinary personal but public apology for his ancestors' involvement in the trade, kneeling in chains in front of 25,000 Africans in a stadium in Banjul, the capital of the Gambia. Mr Hawkins's apology took place during a trip this month to west Africa organised by the Lifeline Expedition, a charity project aimed at achieving reconciliation over the slave trade. Mr Hawkins, 37, from Liskeard, said yesterday: I apologised on behalf of my family. I apologised for the adults and children taken. I recognise that it's a small, simple act to say sorry - but it was a handful of people who started the slave trade and the ripples of their actions caused evil throughout the continent of Africa. It was one of the most memorable things I've ever done. It was a learning experience. You see just how deep the wounds left by the slave trade are. As someone with family links to the slave traders, it was a very difficult thing to see the consequences of their actions. Hopefully a handful of people can now be the beginning of something good. After he had spoken, the Vice-President of Gambia, Isatou Njie Saidy, came forward to accept the apology and symbolically remove the chains. The event was part of the Roots Festival, linked to the Alex Haley bestseller, Roots, which tells the story of the origins of black Americans in the slave trade. The Lifeline Expedition group also wore chains and shackles during a reconciliation walk in the village of Juffureh, from which Kunta Kinte, the slave whose story is the basis for Roots, is believed to have come from. Mr Hawkins was among 20 Europeans on the Gambia trip, which is part of a seven-year reconciliation project which started in 2000. It aims to bring people from Africa, the Americas and Europe together to promote fair trade and foster education about issues of slavery, racism and reconciliation. David Potts, the founder of the Lifeline Expedition said: We do not think there has been a really sincere apology from Europeans to Africa and we want to do our part in trying to redress that.'' Next year, the group plans a walk between London, Liverpool, Bristol and Plymouth to mark the 200 years since the abolition of the slave trade in 1807. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article1094749.ece www.onceuponatimeinthecongo.blogspot.com www.onceuponatimeinthecongo.blogspot.com - Yahoo! Groups gets better. Check out the new email design. Plus there's much more to come. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Excuse me while I whip this out. Cleavon Little , Blazing Saddles - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Lost--WTF??
I recently saw a free screening of MI:3 at Paramount and after the Q A with the ah, writers, of this travesty of justice, I came tot he conclusion that these guys basically get work because J.J Abrams hires them being that they are old-friends. The movie had more holes then the guy Dick Cheney shot. MI:3 was lame, and the ending was as convincing as when Bush was on the aircraft carrier proclaiming, Major combat activities in Iraq are over. I called the plot revelation 10 minutes after the film began. I finally gave in a watched the LOST finale, and I'm sorry but its obvious that the shows creators are making up plots as they go along. This show is stupid. They talked to two of the shows producers on that nights newscast and they said, Michael final gets his son back and they head off to civilization. Or does he? Stupid. And Michael reverting to the traitorous black man so often portrayed in film...and how did the other guy know what Michael was doing? LOST sucks. Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have now seen MI:3 and I have seen the season finale of Lost. I have NOT seen the series finale of Alias. But I have come to the following conclusion: J J Abrams starts a strong story and figures it out as he goes along. Star Trek 11 will be a lot of fun because it will flow like the guys who did Free Enterprise did it. Lost started off like there was a point..and ending...but there IS none. We all had theories...ideas...but he didn't. He literally started a show about a plane crash and just started running in all directions. that finale had MAD open endings. The sad thing is, it's the best science fiction show on TV right now. On May 26, 2006, at 9:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I'm not to that point, but I can see why you are. There's a really fine line between skilled suspenseful plot development, and dragging out a plot for profit.I don't think Lost is there yet, but I do think one more season is all it needs to go. After that it's just too much to keep asking fans to be on the edge of our seats, guessing, wondering, as the mysteries slowly unfold. Now I love Lost. And Prison Break is another show with the same issue, though a different focus. Each slowly lets out clues over a long period of time. Prison Break now has the guys on the run. Okay, then let's make season three the concluding series. I think shows like these, that tax your intelligence and patience, are great, but shouldn't drag on aritificially. They should be considered like play in three acts: intro season, main season, and concluding season. Producers behind both Lost and Prison Break have said their shows cou! ld go on past three seasons, which bothers me. Three is quit e enough. I wonder: given the public's refound love for these suspense-type shows, coupled with comments like yours showing some don't like this stuff to drag on forever, might Americans be ready for the TV novella? You know, instead of several seasons of plot development, or even one day-long season like 24, create mini-series that are self- contained in less than one season. The shows could begin and end in, say, half a season, to be replaced by the next novella. They could be action, suspense, high drama, etc. It works in Mexico for their soap- opera type novellas. Maybe it'd work here. Surely it can't be worse than all the damn reality shows. And given that most TV series show way less than the old standard of 28 eps per season, maybe the shortened TV novella wouldn't be all that jarring a change. -- Original message -- From: g123curious [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is why I stopped watching Lost over a season ago. It's storylines/plots are not about resolving anything, but they are more about even more ludicrous plot twists and turns to keep you hooked (to reel in the ad dollars). You might as well watch Guiding Light, As the World Turns, General Hospital, or any of the other daytime soaps. No difference in quality... and IMHO, Lost is terrible sci- fi. George - - - - - - Someone *please* explain to me what's going on with Lost? The season finale raised more questions than it answered. Where is this island? What's the deal? Who and what are the Others? I'm--ahem!--lost! SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Genre magazine YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group scifinoir2 on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Genre magazine YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group scifinoir2 on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject
[scifinoir2] Re: United 93 No. 2 at box office
I only wrote that because I saw an interview with Jasmine Guy where Octavia said that her grips tight on her work and that she's leary of anyone optioning it...maybe that interview took place before the studios were able to option her work.. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's very important that we know the truth about this. She has told me herself when I interviewed her in 2000 that Kindred, for example, has been optioned many times, and it's the studios or producers that sit on the stories. For some reason, and it wasn't Ms. Butler's grip, the movies can't get made. On May 1, 2006, at 7:26 AM, drcsaid wrote: Many of folks have tried to bring Octavia Butlers stories to screen (including I think either Jasmine Guy or Jada Pinkett) but Octavia never would release her grip on her stories so none came to fruition --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart melaninjitsu@ wrote: What's interesting about this is that RV was #1. This tells me that families across the country went to the movies, took their kids and their single friends went to see United 93. What kind of summer lead-in movie is the flight that fought back? I have heard nothing but BAD things about this movie, and I have to agree. This is a story that isn't even 10 years old and it's a major studio picture? Meanwhile Octavia Butler stories are still sitting around. The highest grossing theater for United 93 was at the AMC Empire in New York. Maybe I've been married too long, but this doesn't strike me as a date movie. So you've got an 11.6 million dollar opening, 10 percent of which is gone because Universal promised to donate it to the families, whatever that means. Who went? What was the audience for this movie? Was there just no new horror flick out so this became #2? What happened? I don't know that we'll ever really know. This movie just seems like a bad idea that got started and had to finish because, well, it started. I'm happy it's out so it can fall off and go away. On Apr 30, 2006, at 10:58 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: I've heard nothing but good things about United 93, a powerful, poignant portrayal of the 9-11 flight that fought back. Think I need to check this out, tough as it'll probably be. I was a little surprised to hear people say it wasn't time for this movie. What, you have to wait until people start to forget a tragedy, then make a movie about it so that they can view it with detachment? I think we need to see this *now*, to remember what the war on terror was supposed to be about, to remember how the simplest people can be heroes, and to try and reconnect with each other in sadness and memory, rather than yell and fight about political differences. United 93 No. 2 at box office By Dean GoodmanSun Apr 30, 2:21 PM ET United 93, the first Hollywood movie to deal with the events of September 11, was No. 2 at the weekend box office in North America with respectable ticket sales of $11.6 million, according to studio estimates issued on Sunday. The new Robin Williams comedy RV drove off with the top prize, selling about $16.4 million worth of tickets for the three days beginning Friday, while the teen gymnast drama Stick It opened at No. 3 with $11.3 million. United 93 is a dramatization of the events surrounding the flight that crashed in a Pennsylvania field after passengers fought back against the hijackers. Budgeted at just $15 million, and filmed with a cast of relative unknowns away from the U.S. media spotlight in Britain, the Universal Pictures release was directed by English filmmaker Paul Greengrass, who shot the 2004 Matt Damon hit The Bourne Supremacy. It premiered on Tuesday at the Tribeca Film Festival in New York, and has drawn rave reviews from critics. But its tough subject matter made it difficult to forecast how the film would open and there were reports that pre-release surveys indicated that female filmgoers had little interest in it. As it turned out, women slightly outdrew men, 52 percent to 48 percent, according to exit surveys. LOUD AND CLEAR I think Americans have spoken loud and clear, that they were ready for a film like this, said Nikki Rocco, president of domestic theatrical distribution at Universal, a unit of General Electric Co.'s NBC Universal Inc. Rocco said the studio had had no expectations for the film's box office performance. It wasn't the first and foremost aspect of producing the film, she said. The film did skew old, though, with exit surveys showing that 71 percent of viewers were aged 30 and above. The film received a grade of very good or excellent from 95 percent of respondents (the norm is 80 percent), while 76 percent would definitely recommend it (the norm is 55 percent
[scifinoir2] Re: A NEW Justice League--WTF???
They canceled JL? As for the younger audience, that's odd since I just saw the promotional posters for Legion of Superheroes... --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It wasn't ratings. Cost of production and the other usual suspects they've used to cancel the other projects by Bruce Timm, Dwayne McDuffie and Co. This was the final season. They seem to be slanting their non-Adult Swim audience to a younger audience. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: what?? Why'd they cancel it? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith daikaiju66@ The TiVo saves me because I forgot it too. BTW I hope you enjoy the final episodes because they will be the last. Cartoon Network has pulled the plug on the show. It will be missed. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: How did heck did I miss this? A new Justice League on TV tonight? Did Cartoon Network run any freaking ads?? I'm watching it now-- pretty good show, dealing with an ancient connection between Hawkman, Hawkwoman, and Green Lantern??? And the ending credits show scenes from episodes that I think are new, upcoming ones. Did anyone else catch tonight's show? I think there are possibly two or three new ones following, Saturday nights at 10:30 pm EST [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Genre magazine YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group scifinoir2 on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Genre magazine YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "scifinoir2" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[scifinoir2] Re: United 93 No. 2 at box office
Good point.. But Keith, you had the audacity to use profanity in the form of the word EarthSea...it wasn't whitewashed...it was bleached like Clorax on black Jordaches ... --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, i think these are two different conversations. Discussing Butler in the same thread as United 93 is a little non sequitor. I agree, Hollywood is for crap when it comes to putting Black faces or Black work on the screen. But this film is about a shared tragedy for the nation, and as such, i think it's important to be shown, and I'd hate to try to pit the circumstances of its release against the failure of good films to be made about Butler's work. I think there you need to focus on stuff like Sci Fi Channel, who produced a completely whitewashed Earthsea, or all their crappy less-than-videogame-quality original monster flicks. Or bemoan why Stephen King's works continually keep getting made into really awful movies. That's the venue for discussing whatever reasons are behind Butler's work not making the big screen. -- Original message -- From: drcsaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many of folks have tried to bring Octavia Butlers stories to screen (including I think either Jasmine Guy or Jada Pinkett) but Octavia never would release her grip on her stories so none came to fruition --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart melaninjitsu@ wrote: What's interesting about this is that RV was #1. This tells me that families across the country went to the movies, took their kids and their single friends went to see United 93. What kind of summer lead-in movie is the flight that fought back? I have heard nothing but BAD things about this movie, and I have to agree. This is a story that isn't even 10 years old and it's a major studio picture? Meanwhile Octavia Butler stories are still sitting around. The highest grossing theater for United 93 was at the AMC Empire in New York. Maybe I've been married too long, but this doesn't strike me as a date movie. So you've got an 11.6 million dollar opening, 10 percent of which is gone because Universal promised to donate it to the families, whatever that means. Who went? What was the audience for this movie? Was there just no new horror flick out so this became #2? What happened? I don't know that we'll ever really know. This movie just seems like a bad idea that got started and had to finish because, well, it started. I'm happy it's out so it can fall off and go away. On Apr 30, 2006, at 10:58 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: I've heard nothing but good things about United 93, a powerful, poignant portrayal of the 9-11 flight that fought back. Think I need to check this out, tough as it'll probably be. I was a little surprised to hear people say it wasn't time for this movie. What, you have to wait until people start to forget a tragedy, then make a movie about it so that they can view it with detachment? I think we need to see this *now*, to remember what the war on terror was supposed to be about, to remember how the simplest people can be heroes, and to try and reconnect with each other in sadness and memory, rather than yell and fight about political differences. United 93 No. 2 at box office By Dean GoodmanSun Apr 30, 2:21 PM ET United 93, the first Hollywood movie to deal with the events of September 11, was No. 2 at the weekend box office in North America with respectable ticket sales of $11.6 million, according to studio estimates issued on Sunday. The new Robin Williams comedy RV drove off with the top prize, selling about $16.4 million worth of tickets for the three days beginning Friday, while the teen gymnast drama Stick It opened at No. 3 with $11.3 million. United 93 is a dramatization of the events surrounding the flight that crashed in a Pennsylvania field after passengers fought back against the hijackers. Budgeted at just $15 million, and filmed with a cast of relative unknowns away from the U.S. media spotlight in Britain, the Universal Pictures release was directed by English filmmaker Paul Greengrass, who shot the 2004 Matt Damon hit The Bourne Supremacy. It premiered on Tuesday at the Tribeca Film Festival in New York, and has drawn rave reviews from critics. But its tough subject matter made it difficult to forecast how the film would open and there were reports that pre-release surveys indicated that female filmgoers had little interest in it. As it turned out, women slightly outdrew men, 52 percent to 48 percent, according to exit surveys. LOUD AND CLEAR I think Americans have spoken loud and clear, that they were ready for a film like this, said Nikki Rocco, president of domestic theatrical distribution at Universal
[scifinoir2] Re: United 93 No. 2 at box office
Many of folks have tried to bring Octavia Butlers stories to screen (including I think either Jasmine Guy or Jada Pinkett) but Octavia never would release her grip on her stories so none came to fruition --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's interesting about this is that RV was #1. This tells me that families across the country went to the movies, took their kids and their single friends went to see United 93. What kind of summer lead-in movie is the flight that fought back? I have heard nothing but BAD things about this movie, and I have to agree. This is a story that isn't even 10 years old and it's a major studio picture? Meanwhile Octavia Butler stories are still sitting around. The highest grossing theater for United 93 was at the AMC Empire in New York. Maybe I've been married too long, but this doesn't strike me as a date movie. So you've got an 11.6 million dollar opening, 10 percent of which is gone because Universal promised to donate it to the families, whatever that means. Who went? What was the audience for this movie? Was there just no new horror flick out so this became #2? What happened? I don't know that we'll ever really know. This movie just seems like a bad idea that got started and had to finish because, well, it started. I'm happy it's out so it can fall off and go away. On Apr 30, 2006, at 10:58 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: I've heard nothing but good things about United 93, a powerful, poignant portrayal of the 9-11 flight that fought back. Think I need to check this out, tough as it'll probably be. I was a little surprised to hear people say it wasn't time for this movie. What, you have to wait until people start to forget a tragedy, then make a movie about it so that they can view it with detachment? I think we need to see this *now*, to remember what the war on terror was supposed to be about, to remember how the simplest people can be heroes, and to try and reconnect with each other in sadness and memory, rather than yell and fight about political differences. United 93 No. 2 at box office By Dean GoodmanSun Apr 30, 2:21 PM ET United 93, the first Hollywood movie to deal with the events of September 11, was No. 2 at the weekend box office in North America with respectable ticket sales of $11.6 million, according to studio estimates issued on Sunday. The new Robin Williams comedy RV drove off with the top prize, selling about $16.4 million worth of tickets for the three days beginning Friday, while the teen gymnast drama Stick It opened at No. 3 with $11.3 million. United 93 is a dramatization of the events surrounding the flight that crashed in a Pennsylvania field after passengers fought back against the hijackers. Budgeted at just $15 million, and filmed with a cast of relative unknowns away from the U.S. media spotlight in Britain, the Universal Pictures release was directed by English filmmaker Paul Greengrass, who shot the 2004 Matt Damon hit The Bourne Supremacy. It premiered on Tuesday at the Tribeca Film Festival in New York, and has drawn rave reviews from critics. But its tough subject matter made it difficult to forecast how the film would open and there were reports that pre-release surveys indicated that female filmgoers had little interest in it. As it turned out, women slightly outdrew men, 52 percent to 48 percent, according to exit surveys. LOUD AND CLEAR I think Americans have spoken loud and clear, that they were ready for a film like this, said Nikki Rocco, president of domestic theatrical distribution at Universal, a unit of General Electric Co.'s NBC Universal Inc. Rocco said the studio had had no expectations for the film's box office performance. It wasn't the first and foremost aspect of producing the film, she said. The film did skew old, though, with exit surveys showing that 71 percent of viewers were aged 30 and above. The film received a grade of very good or excellent from 95 percent of respondents (the norm is 80 percent), while 76 percent would definitely recommend it (the norm is 55 percent), the studio said. About 51 percent of people showed up with their spouse while 11 percent of viewers showed up on a date. RV, released by Sony Corp (NYSE:SNE - news).'s Columbia Pictures, marks an increasingly rare foray into family comedy for Williams, who has focused in recent years on modestly budgeted dramas such as Insomnia and One Hour Photo. He plays the beleaguered head of a family on a cross-country trip in a recreational vehicle with plumbing problems. The $16.4 million opening was as good as we'd hoped it would be, said Rory Bruer, Columbia's president of domestic theatrical distribution. Walt Disney Co.'s Stick It handily exceeded expectations, which had been in the $6 million-$9 million range. Teen girls turned out en masse
[scifinoir2] American Dreamz
I saw the sneak preview to this movie last week, and what you don't see in all the promos of all the white folk like Mandy Moore, Dennis Quaid, and Willem Dafoe is the Middle-Eastern (Southeast Asian) actor portraying a man named Omar who is central to one of the plots of the movie, at one point staying undercover with his cousins family in southern California. Its beyond pathetic that he's not even mentioned in any promo..guess the producers feared protest from the Middle-Eastern community? Don't know, and yeah, I can see some of the stereotypes, but its pathetic... YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "scifinoir2" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[scifinoir2] Re: Peter Segal Says Shazam
I loved the second Blade much better then part one. The villian he fought in part to (the son) was just nasty (no vampire pun intended)..Frost in part one was just too weak for me. Blade: Trinity isn't worth what I'm paying in electricity to type this. I always dug Shazam, moreso when Superman was becoming wy to unbelievable as far as the comic-book world is concerned... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear you. The first blade was awesome, the second, pretty good. Personally I thought Trinity was a joke. Snipes seemed bored the whole flick, the villain was silly, an Jessica Biel's I'm hot and tough schtick started getting on my nerves after a while. Hey, since you're a Marvel fan, can you tell me what his Power of Zeus attribute conveys? Zeus threw lightning bolts, but I could never figure what power Marvel gets from him. The strength, speed, stamina, and invulnerability come from Hercules, Mercury, Atlas, and Achilles, but what does he get from Zeus? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 02:45 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Peter Segal Says Shazam All I'll say is...Blade was a New Line series of movies. So then studio has the ability to do something on the level of the FIRST one...or Trinity. If Captain Marvel is a one time thing and it's the quality of the first Blade movie? ROck on. But if it turns into We took everybody who was unemploed from the WB/UPN merger and put them in here..well, I just hope the costume is nice. On the low, I'm a Captain Marvel person, so this would either really make me happy or piss me off completely. On Apr 15, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Wow, that's cool. I never followed Captain Marvel, and never associated the word edge with its stories. I can't wait to see how they redesign the costume to make it more suitable for a mainstream audience. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Pratt Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 15:18 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Peter Segal Says Shazam Am I right in thinking that new Line is owned by TimeWarner? If so, let's hope that they have the common sense to go into the DC archives and pull out some old Shazam stories to base this on. I have the entire run of the- third run that DC did, in which Billy batson was still eleven years old, and his fortune had been stolen and Mary had been sent off to live in a girls' orphanage, and Billy wa sbasically living on the streets. It had an edge of reality to go with the unreality of the situation. Bliiy sometimes had to use his powers as Captain Marvel and put on street clothes to do day labor to make money. That I wouldn't mind seeing. Excuse me. I'm going to dig those suckers up... Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will it be adolescent in tone like the '70s TV series, or more serious? What angle will they take? Will Billy be a nerdy kid with teen problems, or will the movie focus on Captain Marvel? This could be really tricky. Most importantly, will Billy speak the immortal words to confer with the Elders: Oh Elders, fleet and strong and wise, appear before my seeking eyes? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Pratt Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 19:21 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Peter Segal Says Shazam (holding breath...) Said Kakese Dibinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Segal Says Shazam Posted: Thursday April 13th, 2006 11:50pm Source: The Hollywood Reporter Author: Garth Franklin Peter Segal has come aboard to direct Shazam! -- an adaptation of a DC Comics' comic book series featuring Captain Marvel -- for New Line Cinema. The comic series focused on young Billy Batson, who becomes the superhero known as Captain Marvel when he utters the magic word Shazam! says The Hollywood Reporter. The name is an acronym for six gods and heroes of the ancient world as well as their attributes: the wisdom of Solomon, the strength of Hercules, the stamina of Aries, the power of Zeus, the courage of Achilles and the speed of Mercury. Writers on the long-gestating project include William Goldman and Bryan Goluboff. Segal also will produce along with Michael Ewing via their Callahan Filmworks banner. If you could make a difference, what would you do?...Said Kakese Dibinga [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group scifinoir2 on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your
[scifinoir2] Re: Most Black Leaders Silent on Immigration
Where was those groups when it comes to Haitian immigration? The Asian immigrants, the immigrant from Continetal Africa? Who cares what the other communites don't forget. The Mexicans protestors about immigration reform treat the Central Americans like slaves and brutalize them when they try to reach the USA through Mexico, theres a film on that coming out that won a prizeon the festival circuit and when you ask the Latinos leadership on televison about that, they hem and haw from giving an answer... --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an African-American, this is most embarrassing. These groups won't forget our community's silence. BTW, Deval Patrick's web site (gubernatorial candidate in Massachusetts) is silent on this issue, too. George - - - - - - - - - http://www.diversityinc.com/members/20917.cfm As Millions of Latinos Protest, Most Black Leaders Silent on Immigration By Peter Ortiz (c) 2006 DiversityInc.com April 10, 2006 As many politicians push a harsh immigration agenda, black leaders face a difficult challenge in convincing constituents why they need to support immigrants. So far, only the NAACP and one black Congresswoman have been outspoken in their advocacy of immigrant rights while other black leaders appear to be silent. Never has an issue so galvanized Latinos nationwide. Millions of people have been protesting in record numbers while many Congressional Republicans clamor for the expulsion of undocumented immigrants and jailing of anyone, including citizens, who assist them. On Sunday, hundreds of thousands protested on behalf of immigrant rights, including an estimated 350,000 to 500,000 in Dallas, according to The Associated Press (AP). Other protests took place in at least nine states -- New Mexico, Minnesota, Michigan, Iowa, Alabama, Utah, Oregon, Idaho and California, AP reported. Today, one millon protestors nationwide are expected to join in The National Day of Action for Immigrant Justice, well aware of the Senate's failure to advance an immigration measure viewed as favorable by many advocates. But the conservative politicians blaming these immigrants for depressing low-wage jobs are helping fuel anger among many blacks toward immigrant Latinos and placing black politicians in a difficult position. The silence of black political leadership is most noticeable among the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC). With the exception of Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, (D-Texas), there aren't any within this group speaking out loudly on immigration, according to her spokesperson, Stoney Cooks. I don't think there are many politicians comfortable with this issue, Cooks says. They find their constituencies' opinions not that different from conservative, white America. Jackson Lee did meet with members of the CBC last Wednesday, but the group has yet to take a position on the matter. For black leadership, immigration is a question of 'Are we going to lead or follow?' Cooks says. Lee has offered her own progressive bill, which would include legal permanent residency for undocumented immigrants who have lived in the United States for five to six years. She blames Republican leaders for preventing her and others' proposals from becoming part of the house debate. When asked why he feels other black leaders are not taking a strong stance on the immigration issue, the best Cook could offer was to ask the same question. I'm asking the same questions you are -- Why isn't there more aggressive leadership stepping up on this issue? Cooks asks. My boss has been working on [immigration reform] and she finds herself pretty much out there alone. An Internet and Web site search for the National Urban League, the Congressional Black Caucus and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference turned up nothing in regards to the current immigration debate. And where Jackson Lee considers immigration a civil-rights issue, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) makes no mention of it on its Web site. The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. once served as president of the SCLC, where he led the civil-rights struggle. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) is one of the few black civil-rights organizations to actively engage in the immigration debate. Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington, D.C., bureau, wants black Americans to understand that the universal consequences of anti-immigrant reform reach beyond Latinos. He says his organization has advocated for the rights of African and Haitian immigrants for decades. Latinos do make up the overwhelming number of immigrants, both legal and undocumented, but any one ethnic or racial group should not become the poster child for immigration reform. Relegating this as a Latino issue ignores the shared struggle that blacks and Latinos face and provides an opportunity
[scifinoir2] The Ten Commandments, just my opinion...
I don't know about anyone else, but I was surprised by how lame the Ten Commandments is. I mean, I felt that it was going to be lame, but not this lame.. Pharoh can kill the guy who says, we should let Moses go., but he can't kill Moses? He orders that Moses be killed on sight the next time he comes to the Pharaoh, but he's standing there telling the King what he wants after he asked the God to kill the first born? And there's the military guy on his knees, holding his child, looking up to Moses, would you have God kill me too? Knowing that Moses facilitated the murder of my first born son (and you saw the weak emotional set up when Moses was introduced to his friends son. This is Moses, he's a great man...)..I'd have killed Mosess myself..I'm sure that only Pharoh can order the killing, but this is on principle...It would have solved the Pharohs problem.. At least Moses boys kept it real when some of them kept calling him out I like the History Channel (I think it was the History Channel) that debunked the seven plagues and the parting of the Sea of Reeds) . Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: The Ten Commandments, just my opinion...
Y'know, I've never seen the Charles Heston version I'm with you on some points, but the story of Moses, like so much of the bible, is so much heresay its hard to find fact and fiction. For example, The goliath that David killed was killed in the earleir books. But when you show the proof tot eh clergy, the first thing they say, that was Goliaths brother.. I see your point, God had to Proffesor Xavier Pharoh to get Pharoh to release the slaves... I heard the same things Keith that you heard when you asked the questions you did, I basically concluded that people give that lame answer when they don't know it themselves. They had to be smitten Because some guy wrote that in a book?...Its like Saddam Hussien shooting a promotional video about the Kurds... Moses was basically a killer, hding being the Law Order defence of God gave me the power to do this...How does anyone know that Moses didn't write the tablets himself while he was up on Kilimonjaro (pun intenede)? He was up there for awhile, who else saw the burning bush... I know what you mean...But if the Israeli's went to town and killed everyone that were whoremongers and whatnot, they can't say anything about when the Romans came to town and laid the wood to the Israeli's --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did this version compare with the Charleton Heston classic that most people watch? It seemed weak to me, so I decided to forego it and watched Two and a Half Men instead. Sad, I know, but it was good background noise as I did my taxes! Not having seen it, I'm not quite clear on some of your comments. But it seems you're asking basically why Moses was allowed to live after doing all this stuff? In the Biblical story a big part of this had to do with God hardening Pharaoh's heart. Basically, everytime Moses showed the power of the True God, a sane man would have let him and his people go, but in order to prove His power, God kept manipulating Pharaoh's mind so that he refused to give in. This allowed Moses to continue demonstrating the power of God, and helped debunk the power of the false gods. As for the guy on his knees to Moses, well, if you'd just seen that kind of power, and your supposed living god seems to be helpless to protect you, you'd probably prostrate yourself to save a child. Also, look at this in the context of the times, when deities and mystical powers filled the lives of the people. Not as easy to take an aggressive stand back then if you believe in many gods, for fear of pissing them and their messengers off. As for the whole event, like much of the Old Testament it's thorny. As a child I struggled mightily with the actions of the Hebrews, including the plagues, and later, how they went into Canaan slaughtering the people there. Yes, the Bible says the natives were idolaters and whore mongers who did all kinds of unseemly sacrifices and pagan rituals to their false gods. The Bible speaks of the very land itself being tainted by their corruption. And that is why the Israelites often went into these lands and slaughtered everyone. In some cases they even killed the animals and salted the Earth. And don't forget that the Hebrew warriors often collected trophy sacks filled with the foreskins of their vanguished foes. Like I said: I had a major problem with the barbarism of those times. I asked everyone in my church about it--including my parents--but the response was always something like They were evil and had to be smitten from the face of the Earth. And oh yeah: don't you dare question God's reasons again! I was also told that I couldn't judge, as God was operating under the Old Covenant that was more brutal and surface, and the coming of Jesus and the New Covenant made such behaviour forbidden. Still, it was confusing. And I must admit, though still a Christian as an adult, I often puzzle on the true morality of some of the things alledgedly done back then... -- Original message -- From: drcsaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know about anyone else, but I was surprised by how lame the Ten Commandments is. I mean, I felt that it was going to be lame, but not this lame.. Pharoh can kill the guy who says, we should let Moses go., but he can't kill Moses? He orders that Moses be killed on sight the next time he comes to the Pharaoh, but he's standing there telling the King what he wants after he asked the God to kill the first born? And there's the military guy on his knees, holding his child, looking up to Moses, would you have God kill me too? Knowing that Moses facilitated the murder of my first born son (and you saw the weak emotional set up when Moses was introduced to his friends son. This is Moses, he's a great man...)..I'd have killed Mosess myself..I'm sure that only Pharoh can order the killing, but this is on principle...It would have solved the Pharohs problem.. At least Moses boys kept it real when some
[scifinoir2] [OT] James Brown with Prince and Michael Jackson
Hello folks, I have clip of James Brown is in concert, where he invites Michael Jackson to the stage, Michael comes to the stage and performs, then Michael tells James that Prince is in the audience, and James invites him up and Prince performs... this clip was shot in the 80's when Michael and Prince were running things...and Michael was still dark lovely ...if you want me to send the you the clip, send me an email offline since i don't know how to attach it to the listserve my email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm out... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: The Ten Commandments, just my opinion...
LOL!!! Everyone tells me about that line!!! I'll pick up that version this weekend and let you know whats up This Dougray Scott Moses is starting to remind me of LOST --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess it all boils down to faith and each person's need to believe or not. I'll be the first to admit that all religions have inherent contradictions and unanswerable questions. I don't believe that everything in every religious tome is true, but I am still a believer. It gives me comfort. You really should sit through the Charleton Heston version. While you're watching it, look up the word melodrama and see if Heston is pictured in the dictionary. Great over-the-top fun. And no one should go through life without hearing Yul Brenner's So let it be written. So let it be done once! -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of drcsaid Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 21:12 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Ten Commandments, just my opinion... Y'know, I've never seen the Charles Heston version I'm with you on some points, but the story of Moses, like so much of the bible, is so much heresay its hard to find fact and fiction. For example, The goliath that David killed was killed in the earleir books. But when you show the proof tot eh clergy, the first thing they say, that was Goliaths brother.. I see your point, God had to Proffesor Xavier Pharoh to get Pharoh to release the slaves... I heard the same things Keith that you heard when you asked the questions you did, I basically concluded that people give that lame answer when they don't know it themselves. They had to be smitten Because some guy wrote that in a book?...Its like Saddam Hussien shooting a promotional video about the Kurds... Moses was basically a killer, hding being the Law Order defence of God gave me the power to do this...How does anyone know that Moses didn't write the tablets himself while he was up on Kilimonjaro (pun intenede)? He was up there for awhile, who else saw the burning bush... I know what you mean...But if the Israeli's went to town and killed everyone that were whoremongers and whatnot, they can't say anything about when the Romans came to town and laid the wood to the Israeli's --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: How did this version compare with the Charleton Heston classic that most people watch? It seemed weak to me, so I decided to forego it and watched Two and a Half Men instead. Sad, I know, but it was good background noise as I did my taxes! Not having seen it, I'm not quite clear on some of your comments. But it seems you're asking basically why Moses was allowed to live after doing all this stuff? In the Biblical story a big part of this had to do with God hardening Pharaoh's heart. Basically, everytime Moses showed the power of the True God, a sane man would have let him and his people go, but in order to prove His power, God kept manipulating Pharaoh's mind so that he refused to give in. This allowed Moses to continue demonstrating the power of God, and helped debunk the power of the false gods. As for the guy on his knees to Moses, well, if you'd just seen that kind of power, and your supposed living god seems to be helpless to protect you, you'd probably prostrate yourself to save a child. Also, look at this in the context of the times, when deities and mystical powers filled the lives of the people. Not as easy to take an aggressive stand back then if you believe in many gods, for fear of pissing them and their messengers off. As for the whole event, like much of the Old Testament it's thorny. As a child I struggled mightily with the actions of the Hebrews, including the plagues, and later, how they went into Canaan slaughtering the people there. Yes, the Bible says the natives were idolaters and whore mongers who did all kinds of unseemly sacrifices and pagan rituals to their false gods. The Bible speaks of the very land itself being tainted by their corruption. And that is why the Israelites often went into these lands and slaughtered everyone. In some cases they even killed the animals and salted the Earth. And don't forget that the Hebrew warriors often collected trophy sacks filled with the foreskins of their vanguished foes. Like I said: I had a major problem with the barbarism of those times. I asked everyone in my church about it--including my parents--but the response was always something like They were evil and had to be smitten from the face of the Earth. And oh yeah: don't you dare question God's reasons again! I was also told that I couldn't judge, as God was operating under the Old Covenant that was more brutal and surface, and the coming of Jesus and the New Covenant made such behaviour forbidden. Still, it was confusing
[scifinoir2] Re: The Ten Commandments, just my opinion...
Just saw an ad that Hestons/Brenner's Ten Commandments comes on this Sunday...Cool, cool... --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess it all boils down to faith and each person's need to believe or not. I'll be the first to admit that all religions have inherent contradictions and unanswerable questions. I don't believe that everything in every religious tome is true, but I am still a believer. It gives me comfort. You really should sit through the Charleton Heston version. While you're watching it, look up the word melodrama and see if Heston is pictured in the dictionary. Great over-the-top fun. And no one should go through life without hearing Yul Brenner's So let it be written. So let it be done once! -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of drcsaid Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 21:12 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Ten Commandments, just my opinion... Y'know, I've never seen the Charles Heston version I'm with you on some points, but the story of Moses, like so much of the bible, is so much heresay its hard to find fact and fiction. For example, The goliath that David killed was killed in the earleir books. But when you show the proof tot eh clergy, the first thing they say, that was Goliaths brother.. I see your point, God had to Proffesor Xavier Pharoh to get Pharoh to release the slaves... I heard the same things Keith that you heard when you asked the questions you did, I basically concluded that people give that lame answer when they don't know it themselves. They had to be smitten Because some guy wrote that in a book?...Its like Saddam Hussien shooting a promotional video about the Kurds... Moses was basically a killer, hding being the Law Order defence of God gave me the power to do this...How does anyone know that Moses didn't write the tablets himself while he was up on Kilimonjaro (pun intenede)? He was up there for awhile, who else saw the burning bush... I know what you mean...But if the Israeli's went to town and killed everyone that were whoremongers and whatnot, they can't say anything about when the Romans came to town and laid the wood to the Israeli's --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: How did this version compare with the Charleton Heston classic that most people watch? It seemed weak to me, so I decided to forego it and watched Two and a Half Men instead. Sad, I know, but it was good background noise as I did my taxes! Not having seen it, I'm not quite clear on some of your comments. But it seems you're asking basically why Moses was allowed to live after doing all this stuff? In the Biblical story a big part of this had to do with God hardening Pharaoh's heart. Basically, everytime Moses showed the power of the True God, a sane man would have let him and his people go, but in order to prove His power, God kept manipulating Pharaoh's mind so that he refused to give in. This allowed Moses to continue demonstrating the power of God, and helped debunk the power of the false gods. As for the guy on his knees to Moses, well, if you'd just seen that kind of power, and your supposed living god seems to be helpless to protect you, you'd probably prostrate yourself to save a child. Also, look at this in the context of the times, when deities and mystical powers filled the lives of the people. Not as easy to take an aggressive stand back then if you believe in many gods, for fear of pissing them and their messengers off. As for the whole event, like much of the Old Testament it's thorny. As a child I struggled mightily with the actions of the Hebrews, including the plagues, and later, how they went into Canaan slaughtering the people there. Yes, the Bible says the natives were idolaters and whore mongers who did all kinds of unseemly sacrifices and pagan rituals to their false gods. The Bible speaks of the very land itself being tainted by their corruption. And that is why the Israelites often went into these lands and slaughtered everyone. In some cases they even killed the animals and salted the Earth. And don't forget that the Hebrew warriors often collected trophy sacks filled with the foreskins of their vanguished foes. Like I said: I had a major problem with the barbarism of those times. I asked everyone in my church about it--including my parents--but the response was always something like They were evil and had to be smitten from the face of the Earth. And oh yeah: don't you dare question God's reasons again! I was also told that I couldn't judge, as God was operating under the Old Covenant that was more brutal and surface, and the coming of Jesus and the New Covenant made such behaviour forbidden. Still, it was confusing. And I must admit, though still a Christian as an adult, I often puzzle on the true
[scifinoir2] Re: Trailer: Hannibal vs Rome movie (Alexander Siddiq of Deep Space 9)
Yeah, Dougray Scott is playing Moses in this groove. http://imdb.com/name/nm0779084/ --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But you know I've always wondered about Dougray Scott especially after watching Arabian Nights. He might be white, but he ain't that light.lol Same goes for Troy if the Trojans are supposed to the be Turkish then the turks I saw in those docus they were showing when Troy was being released and the Greeks as well should be who we saw in the movies not Brad Pit. A co-worker and I were talking about this very thing when we were talking about how all the Romans, Greeks, even the French in movies are always some British guy or chick. We were like yes they mysteriously have british accents in Rome.lol Oh and let's not forget Vikings. How the hell is a Viking going to have a british accent pre them going to Britian. I can see a movie made with people with british accents portraying native Americans. I wouldn't put it past them. Another note. What did mess me up on Arabian Nights was all the british accents going on as well, but you know some of the actors after I saw that mini series I have sense wondered about their ethnicity. Well Aladin being Chinese wasn't a big thing for me, because I read the tale of Aladin in a book of the Arabin Nights and he was a young Chinese prince. Big case in Point the Thief of Baghdad. I can barely watch this movie. Yes it's beautiful, but when you grow up and learn about actual Indians and what they really look like it's hard to watch this movie and take it seriously that these people are arabian/indian etc. When you watch Bollywood movies and other movies of Indian cinema and then watch Thief of Baghdad you are like what the hell is this.lol --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Not only that, but they've remade The Ten Commandments as a flick with Daniel James Bond Craig as Moses. I think it airs tonight. Sacrilege! I mean, heck, sure the commercials show the background actors to at least *look* darker skinned in this one. (Never could get over all the lily-white Hebrews, and especially, the Caucasian Egyptians). But they're still putting Europeans in the leads. So, if you're gonna do it wrong, then I say stick with Heston/Brenner classic. Nothing beats that melodramatic fun, especially Heston's constant posing and posturing Thus sayeth the Lord of Hosts!, and Brenner's fabulous So let it be written. So let it be done! -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Said Kakese Dibinga Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 02:25 To: Said Subject: [scifinoir2] Trailer: Hannibal vs Rome movie (Alexander Siddiq of Deep Space 9) What I've seen so far doesn't work for me. . Its going to be broadcasted on BBC in May...you can cut and paste the link in your browser... http://stream.servstream.com/ViewWeb/BBC_Worldwide_General/File/81161 .as x?Media=73517. If you could make a difference, what would you do?...Said Kakese Dibinga - Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Science http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Science+fiction+and+fantasyw1=Scie nce+fiction+and+fantasyw2=Genre+magazinec=2s=53.sig=8s5ldQicr16mM wkM wHGybg fiction and fantasy Genre http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Genre+magazinew1=Science+fiction+a nd+fantasyw2=Genre+magazinec=2s=53.sig=6x48yHym4cI_VD4C3GisSg magazine _ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS *Visit your group scifinoir2 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2 on the web. *To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] subject=Unsubscribe *Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . _ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Yahoo! Movies - X-Men: The Last Stand clip
I got a chip on the table that the Sinead O'Connor look-a-like mutant in the movie that's the source of the cure is LEECH. I know he's green in the comic-book but this is Hollywood. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Said Dibinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Said Dibinga ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has sent you a movie trailer link Personal message: X-Men: The Last Stand clip http://us.rd.yahoo.com/movies/clips/1808490830/1809268236/?http://movies.yahoo.com/forms?cf=hv/popup_newid=1808490830mspid=1809268236mfurl=http://mediaframe.yahoo.com/launch?lid=wmv-100-p.1416211-165077,wmv-300-p.1416212-165077,wmv-700-p.1416213-165077,wmv-56-p.1416210-165077,wmv-28-p.1416210-165077 Yahoo! Movies http://movies.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: [OT] Samuel L. Jackson in 'Snakes on a Plane' Trailer
and uh,...how low was the special-effects budget? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tagworld.com/snakesonaplane Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Suspectâs aliases found in comics
Suspectâs aliases found in comics By Laurel J. Sweet Tuesday, March 7, 2006 The Big Apple bouncer who has surfaced as a suspect in the despicable killing of Imette St. Guillen answers to several aliases, at least three of which have ties to the fantasy world of comic books. The comic book link is bizarre to say the least, and, in the words of one comic-book industry insider, âtruly disturbing.â Littlejohn, 41, a 5-foot-7-inch, 210-pound career convict from Queens, provided muscle for the Soho saloon The Falls, where St. Guillen, 24, a 1999 Boston Latin School honors graduate, was last seen alive on Feb. 25. According to New York City police sources, he was asked to escort her from the bar around the 4 a.m. closing time. His alter ego âJonathan Blazeâ - the name Littlejohn was imprisoned under until two years ago for helping knock over a Long Island bank at gunpoint - is the true name of the Marvel Comics character âGhost Rider,â soon to be a film starring Nicholas Cage. In the âGhost Riderâ series, Blaze is a motorcycle stuntman for the circus who sells his soul to the devil to save his girlfriendâs father from death. But when the devil doesnât honor his end of the bargain, a tormented Blaze is doomed to straddle a chopper made of flames as hell-fire shoots from his skull.Marvel Comics declined to comment for this story. Littlejohn did time in the 1990s for drug possession as John Handsome. âHandsome Johnâ was the name of a head-turning police detective who gets offered a movie contract in the âGreen Lanternâ series, circa 1943. A third alias, âDarryl Banks,â was a famed illustrator for the Green Lantern comic in the 1990s. A fourth alias Littlejohn has been known to use, âDamon Wells,â was also the name of a California man who ritualistically raped and murdered a 21-year-old female hitchhiker in 1989 as a sacrifice to the devil. âWho knows why heâs picking these names,â Matt Lehman, owner of Comicopia, a comic-book shop in Bostonâs Kenmore Square, said yesterday of Littlejohn. âBut remember, the word fan does come from fanatic.â Lehman said most comic-book characters âtend to be male.â âItâs easy to menace the damsel in distress,â he said. But unlike St. Guillenâs twisted rape and murder, during which she was tied, gagged and her head wrapped in packing tape, âin all this kind of literature, the heroes are reactive,â Lehman said. âTheyâre fighting something thatâs already happened.â Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Anybody Remember This Scifi Series
Max Headroom. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Amanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember My Life and Times. That was a pretty cool concept. Guy in future reflects on early 21th century. Another show Space Rangers was hokey yes. I mean the sets were like WTF, but when I see it again it wasn't that bad, they just really needed to work on the show. With series like Babylon 5 and DS9 coming out at the same time you knew that show was going down. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer cwbadie@ wrote: Um...I NEVER watched Buck Rogers for the plot...when they tried to give it one, I stopped watching it...LOL Amanda cool_splash1@ wrote: I remember The Fantastic Journey, but after I got older I got eps from that show, Buck Rogers, Battlestar Galactica mixed up. I mean a lot of them resembled each other so much.lol It's funny to see how much the networks have changed in copying each other. SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Genre magazine - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group scifinoir2 on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - - Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] never before seen photos civil rights struggles in Alabama
never before seen photos civil rights struggles in Alabama http://www.al.com/unseen/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: RIP, Octavia Butler, genius science fiction writer
I was never a big fan of her work, but I had much respect for her as a writer that went where others haven't gone before...A great loss...I really wish her collaboration with Jasmine Guy (or was it Jada?) produced a movie. Tired of hearing about Anne Rice this, Anne Rice that... --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I just said last night that I hoped there'd not be a third death of a famous person, in keeping with that old wives' tale. A great loss for scifi, and literature in general. I wonder how many people, though, know that. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brent wodehouse Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 18:17 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] RIP, Octavia Butler, genius science fiction writer http://www.boingboing.net/2006/02/26/rip_octavia_butler_g.html Octavia Butler, the brilliant science fiction writer, reportedly died on Saturday following a fall that gave her a fatal concussion. Butler was the incredible writer who was the first genre author to win the MacArthur Foundation's Genius grant. She was the first prominent African-American woman in the field, and her novels and short stories were an inspiration to a generation of writers of all backgrounds and both sexes (I was ready to give up writing after a five-year bout of writers' block in my mid-twenties when I read the introduction to her short story collection in which she recounted her own block and decided to keep trying). I recently reviewed her wonderful novel Fledgling here, a vampire book that, like all of Butler's work, was a disturbing, light-touch allegory about race and sex politics skinned with a fast-moving, heart-wrenching storyline. Butler was only 58 when she died on Saturday. Her oeuvre is too modest, but will never be forgotten. She had many amazing books left in her. I only met her once, very briefly, and I was tongue-tied in her presence, but she was gracious and friendly. The field and the world has lost someone wonderful this weekend. Several people have confirmed this now, though nothing authoritative has been published. I'll update this post if something firmer emerges. SPONSORED LINKS Science http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Science+fiction+and+fantasyw1=Scie nce+fiction+and+fantasyw2=Genre+magazinec=2s=53.sig=8s5ldQicr16mMwkM wHGybg fiction and fantasy Genre http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Genre+magazinew1=Science+fiction+a nd+fantasyw2=Genre+magazinec=2s=53.sig=6x48yHym4cI_VD4C3GisSg magazine _ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group scifinoir2 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2 on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . _ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: UAE Gave $100 Million for Katrina Relief
Hey Martin sorry for the direct reply, I forgot to hit the reply all.. Don't get me started on the Neocons. I see your point, and its a point spoken often of these days. I feel, and right or wrong this ids my opinion that is its not buying brownie points. Its business. Most of the terrorist came from Saudi Arabia. No one protests the Saudi Monarchy. The shoe bomber was British. No one protest the UK -- and England is the ones selling the ports. The main terrorist cell that supported 9/11 was based in Germany. No one protest Berlin. The funding came through Saudi Arabia via UAE. If people have a problem with UAE then they should ask Bush to give back the money like Gulianni did when the Saudi made a donation to New York right after 911...I agree with you though, that's a lot of money, and no ones talking about it? I haven't heard anything on NPR or public radio I look at it this way, people are getting what they voted for...President Bush didn't know about this until AFTER his own administration approved the deal? Amazingthen again, President Bush didn't know that Cheney shot somebody until 2 days after it happened I'm gone... --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure that some neocon will be trumpeting this for all and sundry to hear. A great humanitarian gesture, yes, far surpassing any that our own government made in the sitch. But does it buy the UAE brownie points in the port issue? I don't think so. Let us not forget that two of the 9/11 terrorists came from the UAE, that a lot of funding for 9/11 came from there. Said Kakese Dibinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:UAE Gave $100 Million for Katrina Relief By TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer 56 minutes ago Weeks before one of its companies sought U.S. approval for its ports deal, the United Arab Emirates contributed $100 million to help victims of Hurricane Katrina, officials confirmed Thursday. The Bush administration said the money it received from the United Arab Emirates was nearly four times as much as it received from all other countries combined. Other countries, including some in the Middle East, also pledged large contributions but have not yet sent the money. The White House said the $100 million for storm victims demonstrates the close relationship between the two governments now caught in a firestorm over the potential security risks of state-owned Dubai Ports World running operations at six major U.S. ports. The money from the United Arab Emirates was previously described by the State Department only as a very large contribution. The White House said so far it has received $126 million in international donations, including the UAE money. The administration said there was no connection between the request for U.S. approval of the $6.8 billion ports deal and the UAE contribution. It disclosed details about the donation to support President Bush's description of the nations as important allies. There was no connection between the two events, said Adam Ereli, the deputy State Department spokesman. Robert Kimmitt, deputy secretary at the Treasury Department, told senators Thursday that Dubai Ports World first approached U.S. officials Oct. 17 to discuss a proposed purchase of London-based Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co., which runs significant operations at six large U.S. ports. Kimmitt said the company informally approached Treasury officials to discuss preliminary stages of the purchase. A formal review of the proposed sale started on Dec. 16, Kimmitt told the Senate Armed Services Committee. The United Arab Emirates sent its $100 million Katrina donation on Sept. 21 using an electronic transfer to an account at the State Department, the White House said. Two-thirds of the money was given to the Federal Emergency Management Agency to help coordinate aid to 100,000 families. The rest was sent to the Education Department to help rebuild schools and universities near New Orleans that were damaged by the storm. The United Arab Emirates has long-standing ties to the Bush family. Records show the UAE and one of its sheikhs contributed at least $1 million before 1995 to the Bush Library Foundation, which established the George Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Texas. The executive chairman of Dubai Ports World, Ahmed bin Sulayem, is not listed among donors. Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press. If you could make a difference, what would you do?...Said Kakese Dibinga - What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Genre magazine - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit
[scifinoir2] Re: State of Black America on C-Span
Thanks for the link, I'm listening to the first link as I type this ,and will check out the next link right after. Some of the call in questions are really something two of the first three callers, were so much in denial, I had to replay it twice . --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.c-span.org/watch/index.asp?Cat=TV http://www.c-span.org/watch/index.asp?Cat=TVCode=CSShowVidDays=30Sho wVidDesc=ArchiveDays=30 Code=CSShowVidDays=30ShowVidDesc=ArchiveDays=30 Another rainy, cold Saturday in Atlanta (Geez, how many times have I said that?) Today, rather than bad Sci Fi Channel marathons, I'm watching The State of Black America on C-Span. It's Tavis Smiley's annual gathering of Black leaders, philosophers, and activists that discusses the problems and issues of Black America. This year they're discussing the Covenant with Black America, a book that compiles facts and thoughts and a plan for Black Americans to make this country a better place. It's been pretty interesting, especially the speeches by Harry Belafonte and Louis Farakhan. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Wired News: Actor Tries to Trademark 'N' Word
That's probably what the trademark office said... --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have got to be kidding me http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70259-0.html?tw=rss.index [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Sex Services in Prostitution Probes Banned
(did i read this right?) Sex Services in Prostitution Probes Banned Sat Feb 18, 4:46 AM ET The sheriff said Friday he will no longer allow detectives to receive sexual services while investigating suspected prostitution after they spent $1,200 at massage parlors last month and sparked a public outcry. Spotsylvania County Sheriff Howard Smith defended the practice as necessary to obtain a conviction but told his department he was suspending it. As sheriff, I understand the feelings and concerns the citizens of this county have expressed, Smith said in a statement sent to The Associated Press on Friday. And I empathize with those feelings. Because of the public's express response, I have suspended this practice. Court documents show that four times last month, county detectives allowed women at Moon Spa to perform sex acts on them once leaving a $350 tip. A total of $1,200 was spent during the visits, Smith said. He said multiple visits were necessary so detectives could build trust with the operators. Detectives shut down Moon Spa last month. The two suspected operators and three women accused of working there face several charges, including prostitution and sodomy, Smith said. Smith maintained the sexual contact was necessary to obtain a conviction. But law enforcement officials say undercover officers only need to get an offer of sex for money to move the case forward. The practice has been used in Spotsylvania since at least 2003. Earlier this week, Smith told The Washington Post that sexual contact is needed during the investigations because most professionals know not to say anything incriminating. And conversation is difficult, he said, because masseuses at the Asian-run parlors in the northern Virginia county speak little English. But several members of Spotsylvania's Board of Supervisors have spoken out against the methods used in the investigation. All of us ... have been worried about this episode tarnishing the county and making us a laughingstock of the nation, board chairman Henry Hap Connors told the AP Friday. That's why I came out early on and asked the sheriff to cease using these tactics. Spotsylvania Commonwealth's Attorney William Neely said he respects Smith's decision to end the practice, but refused to apologize for the officers' tactics. Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Map of SciFinoir Member Locations
Tracey you're south of me, I live in the Mexican suburbs called Los Angeles. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Tracey I think we're only 15 or 16 hours apart now ;) Texas is just Mexico with a clown mask on, Bosco --- tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi SciFiNoir Family. I just signed us up for a service that provides a map of what cities in which scifinoir members live. While I no longer live near anyone anymore,(moved to Mexico in October) most of you probably live really close to other memers and do not even know it. This map will hopefully correct that. Please click through to add your point on the map. Takes less than a minute. http://www.frappr.com/scifinoir/map Thanks Tracey de Morsella, your moderator SciFiNoir/SciFiNoir-Lit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SciFiNoir-lit/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SciFiNoir2/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] I got friends who are in prison and Friends who are dead. I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said. You know these things that happen, That's just the way it's supposed to be. And I can't help but wonder, Don't ya know it coulda been me. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] [Non-Sci-Fi] Super Bowl MVP becoming major star in South Korea, too
Super Bowl MVP becoming major star in South Korea, too Feb. 9, 2006CBS SportsLine.com wire reportsSEOUL, South Korea -- In a country where most people have no idea what a touchdown is, Hines Ward is suddenly a star -- his name buzzing across the Internet, his picture splashed on front pages.The Super Bowl MVP for the Pittsburgh Steelers, is half-Korean. On Thursday, he was featured in nearly every South Korean newspaper, waving to fans during a victory parade in Pittsburgh. Ward's 43-yard touchdown catch was the key play in the 21-10 victory over Seattle.Born to a black American father and Korean mother, Ward's story is also drawing renewed attention to discrimination faced by children of mixed parentage in South Korea, where the conservative culture places a strong emphasis on pure blood ties.Ward said before the game he planned an April trip with his mother to his native South Korea -- the 29-year-old receiver's first visit as an adult. The country's two main airlines are jockeying for the privilege of ferrying them to Seoul, where they can expect the trappings of a state visit.Ward has been mentioned as a possible candidate for a state award, and some have called on Internet message boards for him to be granted honorary citizenship. South Korea's main KBS television channel plans to broadcast a documentary on Ward this weekend. Local media have dubbed the phenomenon the Ward syndrome. American football has virtually no following in South Korea, where soccer became the national obsession following the country's surprising run to the semifinals when it co-hosted the 2002 World Cup.Ward's Korean roots gained some notice just before the Super Bowl, but his fame skyrocketed with his performance in the Steelers' victory. Ward's name was the most-searched keyword this week on the sports section of popular website Naver -- eclipsing soccer idol Park Ji-sung, who plays for England's Manchester United. Ward's mother Kim Young-hee has been the subject of numerous interviews, recounting how she worked three jobs to support her son after she divorced her ex-soldier husband soon after following him to the U.S. Kim initially was ruled unfit to keep Ward and he lived with his father and stepmother, but he ran away to join her while in the second grade.Ward has credited his mother's work ethic for teaching him what it takes to succeed, and his name in Korean is tattooed on his upper right forearm. The attention on Ward has also sparked introspection in South Korea about the treatment of children of mixed-race backgrounds.The South Korean military bans men who clearly appear of mixed racial background from serving compulsory duty out of concern they might be unable to fit in, noted Song Kil-weon, head of HIfamily Institute, a group working for rights of those with mixed heritage. Children, particularly those with a black American parent, routinely suffer harsh discrimination by fellow students, said Yi Kyung-kyune, director of Pearl S. Buck International Korea, a group that supports mixed-heritage youth. Because of the pressure, the middle school dropout rate for Amerasians -- children with American and Korean heritage -- is more than 17 percent, Yi said.The group says about 2,000 Amerasians in this country suffer severe discrimination along with another estimated 1,000 children of mixed Korean and Asian descent, or Kosians. Many also have challenges at home, with 83 percent being raised by single mothers, who are often jobless or only work part time.One such child is Jang Yae-eun, 18, a rookie forward on the Woori Bank women's basketball team. She lives with her Korean mother who divorced her soldier father -- a black American -- while Jang was in elementary school. Jang graduated from high school Wednesday, noting it was a rarity for people who shared her background. Especially black-Korean people suffer a lot from discrimination, Jang said in Korean. I even once wished that no more black-Koreans would be born at all. She said she was proud of Ward and hoped his story would help her and others of similar background. Song said rather than applauding Ward as a hero, Korean society should pay more attention to discrimination. He thinks the football player can help the cause. I'm expecting Ward to play a role as a human rights activist for mixed-heritage people in Korea, he said.AP NEWSThe Associated Press News ServiceCopyright 2005-2006, The Associated Press, All Rights Reserved Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Said has sent you an article from npr.org
Said thought you would be interested in this story: NPR : Not Coming to a Theater Near You: Satire Trailers http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5200607 This message was included: sniff sniff so touching, so touching... *Listen to this story* Please click on the headline to the story using a RealAudio or WindowsMedia player. For players or technical support, please visit NPR's Audio Help page. http://www.npr.org/help/index.html?showdiv=100. *Order a text transcript of this story* http://www.npr.org/transcripts/ *NPR Newsletters* Did you know NPR offers E-Mail Newsletters on a variety of topics? Movies, Music, Books and more. Subscribe now to get the best of NPR delivered to your mailbox! Information: http://www.publicradiomail.org/nprnewsletters Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Is King Kong racist?
In its darkness, 'Kong' shows the human heart James P. Pinkerton December 15, 2005 Is King Kong racist? Lots of people say it is. And, if it is, why does the film keep getting remade? What does it say about us if the new Kong is a huge hit? Any movie that features white people sailing off to the Third World to capture a giant ape and carry it back to the West for exploitation is going to be seen as a metaphor for colonialism and racism. That was true for the original in 1933 and for the two remakes: the campy one in 1976, and the latest, directed by Peter Jackson. (In addition, a Kong wannabe, Mighty Joe Young, has been made twice.) Movie reviewer David Edelstein, writing in Slate.com, notes the implicit racism of 'King Kong' - the implication that Kong stands for the black man brought in chains from a dark island (full of murderous primitive pagans) and with a penchant for skinny white blondes. Indeed, a Google search using the words King Kong racism yielded 490,000 hits. Comparing the new film with the original, The Washington Post's Stephen Hunter observed, It remains a parable of exploitation, cultural self-importance, the arrogance of the West, all issues that were obvious in the original but unexamined; they remain unexamined here, if more vivid. And by more vivid, Hunter might be referring to the natives of mythical Skull Island, where Kong is discovered. Director Jackson took people of Melanesian stock - the dark-skinned peoples who are indigenous to much of the South Pacific, including Jackson's own country of New Zealand - and made them up to look and act like monsters, more zombie-ish than human. Indeed, one is moved to compare these human devils to the ogre-ish Orcs from Jackson's mega- Oscar Lord of the Rings films. The bad guys are dark, hideous and undifferentiatedly evil. One might note that the original source material for both films dates from the same period: Kong in '33, J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit four years later. Both works are ultimately meditations on the West and Western uniqueness. Which is to say, what's the role for white Europe - and for its ethnic offshoot, North America - in a world that is mostly non-white? Some would label such sentiments as racist, but others would note that every ethnicity naturally feels a special affection for its own kind. Yet, in the West, outright invocations of white nationalism, such as the 1915 film Birth of a Nation, were politically unacceptable, even in the '30s, and so the same race-conscious sentiments were encrypted into allegory - in print or on celluloid. The new Kong drills home its race consciousness by making repeated references to Joseph Conrad's 1899 novel, Heart of Darkness, which denigrates both the colonizing whites and colonized blacks. In the novel's climax, the once-idealistic character Kurtz writes of Africans, Exterminate all the brutes! Conrad presents Kurtz as crazy, but Africa is presented as a crazy-making place. The new Kong is, as always, a noble beast with a tender side. But, at the same time, his killing is presented as a cruel necessity. And at the end of the film, the white people - love interests Naomi Watts and Adrien Brody - are brought closer together, thanks to their brush with the big ape. But if the movie is so loaded with race-charged imagery, why isn't it being protested? Why aren't we seeing pickets and boycotts? Perhaps it's because today, as people look around the world, they see that most political strife is, in fact, ethnic strife. Folks like to say that diversity is our strength, and they resolve to fight racism, but every day's news reminds us that ethnic conflict lurks in the human heart. That's a gloomy reality that Kong captures, in its crypto fashion, and so there's no point in getting worked up over it. Indeed, since the film is entertaining - like the similarly themed, much honored and extremely popular Rings movies of a few years back - one might as well go see this one, too. Copyright (c) 2005, Newsday, Inc. This article originally appeared at: http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny- oppin154551776dec15,0,6927201.column Visit Newsday online at http://www.newsday.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Know an art music fan? Make a donation in their honor this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/.6dcNC/.VHMAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] 'Halloween' Producer Killed in Jordan Terrorist Bombing
'Halloween' Producer Killed in Jordan Terrorist Bombing Producer-director Moustapha Akkad, who produced all of the Halloween horror films, has died from injuries sustained during the terrorist attacks in Jordan earlier this week, al-Jazeera reported today. Akkad also directed the 1976 film The Message, starring Anthony Quinn, about the prophet Muhammad, and the 1981 film Lion of the Desert, also starring Quinn, about Omar Mukhtar, who led the resistance to Mussolini's occupation of Libya. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] First picture of a Spider-Man 3 enemy
Church Of Spider-Villainy First picture of a Spider-Man 3 enemy http://www.empireonline.co.uk/news/story.asp?NID=17426 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Rick McCallum: The prequels producer on the Sith DVD
Rick McCallum The prequels producer on the Sith DVD He may not be as familiar a name as George Lucas, but Rick McCallum, Lucas' producer, has been an important part of bringing Star Wars back to the screen. We caught up with him at the Star Wars DVD launch recently, and he told us a little about the Star Wars TV series, those rumours about a further three episodes and the state of Hollywood today -You've said that you like DVDs because you could show how these scenes were built up, but some directors say that's exactly why they don't like DVDs, that it spoils the magic. They're full of shit. They have so little respect what it's like for a normal person. I came from a very small town in Missouri and the prospect of getting out was the most driving force for me. Then it seems so impossible to get into, and it has such a huge impact. Why limit it to just that process when there's the opportunity for those who want to explore? There's the person who just wants to hit play and that's it, but for anybody else who wants to understand the process and learn about the process, it's there. -Why is it that you don't put in the movie exactly what you want in the movie? Why the cut scenes and director's cuts? It's very hard American audiences sitting through a movie for three hours or three hours and thirty minutes; it's unthinkable. George's problem was that he truly believed the scenes needed to come out. He released the movie the way he wanted it, and then after three or four months he thought, `God, I think there's another thing here or I wanna put in this stuff I didn't have confidence in. The one thing I really wish is that Yoda [arriving on Dagoba] was in there. I totally disagree with George. I think that you're following all the characters, not just the kids. But that's why film is a director's medium. Television's a producer's one. If it had have been a TV series he would have been in there! -Is that why you're making a TV series? Exactly! (laughs) -George Lucas has changed the way films are made; so what can he do for television? What we said is why don't we try and restructure the process of how television is made; let's set up our own studio, with the same players, they're not going to be out of work, they'll make a decent living, there's no stars, the actors get what the crew gets, the crew gets what the actors get. We try and set up a different system to make a television series that had all the basic look and feel of a feature film. We had to make Episode III for $100 million, but if you're looking at what's being made now, Harry Potter's like $280 million, Batman is $200 million, Superman's $250 million. Films are completely out of control. So now what we want to do is take everything we've learned from feature films and this new digital pipeline and put it back into television and set a standard for how in four or five years time we can start making feature films for five or ten million dollars instead of the $80, $90, $100 million it takes now. -A lot of people think that the US box office's poor performance marks the beginning of the end for the current cinema. I think there's a fundamental shift in the way people are watching movies now and it's only going to get worse. It's just too expensive, you know. Five years ago, a normal kid could steal enough money while his parents were taking a shower, but now it's £50 to see five movies, and nobody can afford that anymore. Plus, you know you only have to wait 12 weeks and you can own the movie, and you've got the added issue that with much younger audiences they prefer the quality of the image on their television set. The equipment is so 19th century, 20th century, it's ludicrous; for the technology that's out there we should be looking at films completely differently. -When the film came out, in May, George was talking a lot about piracy and he was saying that he saw the future where blockbusters, big films like Star Wars wouldn't be able to be made. Yeah, I'll give you an example. Our film cost $113 million dollars because we financed it so, if there's a moment where George is out on a crane and is waiting for the perfect sun shot, you know, he won't wait for it. Most directors will. And that'll add another $150,000 or $200,000 to whatever the cost of the day is. We have to shoot the films in 53 days; that's the maximum we can do because we cannot spend over that money. Because we don't know if we're going to get it back in box office and because we only make one film every three years, and we have a huge company to feed, if we don't make money we're dead meat, we're over, it's finished. Our film cost $113 million. You got $40 million in prints, because you've got 20,000 prints that have to be delivered to the theatre, delivered back to the lab, then they all have to be destroyed because it's an environmental hazard, and then you've got $100 million to advertise, worldwide. So that little hundred million dollar movie is now closer
[scifinoir2] [Non-Scifi] WNBA star Sheryl Swoopes comes out: 'I'm tired of having to pretend'
WNBA star Sheryl Swoopes comes out: 'I'm tired of having to pretend' October 26, 2005 NEW YORK (AP) -- Houston Comets forward Sheryl Swoopes is opening up about being a lesbian, telling a magazine that she's ``tired of having to hide my feelings about the person I care about.'' Swoopes, honored last month as the WNBA's Most Valuable Player, told ESPN The Magazine for a story on newsstands Wednesday that she didn't always know she was gay and fears that coming out could jeopardize her status as a role model. ``Do I think I was born this way? No,'' Swoopes said. ``And that's probably confusing to some, because I know a lot of people believe that you are.'' Swoopes, who was married and has an 8-year-old son, said her 1999 divorce ``wasn't because I'm gay.'' She said her reason for coming out now is merely because she wants to be honest. ``It's not something that I want to throw in people's faces. I'm just at a point in my life where I'm tired of having to pretend to be somebody I'm not,'' the 34-year-old Swoopes said. ``I'm tired of having to hide my feelings about the person I care about. About the person I love.'' A release from ESPN The Magazine about the story did not disclose the identity of Swoopes' partner. A five-time All-Star and three-time Olympic gold medalist, Swoopes is the WNBA's only three-time MVP. She played for the Comets during their run of four championships from 1997-2000, but missed the 2001 season with a knee injury. She said her biggest worry about her revelation is that people will be afraid to look up to her. ``I don't want that to happen,'' she said. ``Being gay has nothing to do with the three gold medals or the three MVPs or the four championships I've won. I'm still the same person. I'm Sheryl.'' Swoopes led the WNBA in scoring last year, averaging 18.6 points. She also averaged 4.3 assists and 2.65 steals while making 85 percent of her free throws and playing a league-high 37.1 minutes a game. She said it ``irritates'' her that no one talks about gays playing in men's sports, but that it's become an issue in the WNBA. ``Sexuality and gender don't change anyone's performance on the court,'' she said. ``Women play just as hard as guys do. We're just as competitive.'' On the Net: http://www.wnba.com/playerfile/sheryl-- swoopes/ Updated on Wednesday, Oct 26, 2005 7:25 am EDT Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Car Ticketed With Dead Body at the Wheel
Car Ticketed With Dead Body at the Wheel SYDNEY, Australia (AP) - A traffic warden slapped a parking ticket on a car which had its dead driver slumped at the wheel outside an Australian shopping mall, an official said Friday. The body of the 71-year-old man, whose identity was not immediately released, was discovered Thursday in a parking lot in the southern city of Melbourne, The Age newspaper reported Friday. The man had been reported missing nine days earlier and was known to be seriously ill, the newspaper said. Nevertheless, a parking officer who inspected the vehicle failed to notice the man inside and issued the parking fine two days before his body was discovered. Paul Denham, the mayor of Maroondah council, where the man was found, said the parking officer was ``distressed'' to learn that the dead man had been inside the car. ``Our local laws officer checked and wrote out the ticket at the rear of the vehicle and placed the ticket from the passenger side on the windscreen,'' Denham said in a statement. ``The local laws officer did not notice anything unusual regarding the vehicle, and is extremely distressed to have learned of the situation.'' 10/21/05 06:26 © Copyright The Associated Press. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people?
Not that I know of if you email me off line we can work out the logistics...my email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Meta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are any of them on sale anywhere. I could use a Hawk dose. I was telling my children about these shows and they really want to see them. Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, drcsaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad that I taped those Hawk episodes on Spencer and A Man Called Hawk series...Wesley, Wendall Pirece, Angela Basset, Samuel Jackson, Eric LaSalle etc were i the cut on those series... I'm going to burn them to DVD...hey an I write that here? I don't want this site shut down too! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LMAO...I wasn't goiong to say that...but you have a point...On top of that, if anyone can get my mom to say Boy is he good lookin', He has got to be impressive...Mom has never uttered that about anyone on TV except Avery Brooks... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with that. He'd lost the fire after his wife's death. I'm just saying I wish he'd started out as Captain Sisko of whatever that starship was he was on. But hey, like you say, he grew like hell in what is probably my favorite Trek series. Oh course, ol' boy didn't really shine until he shaved that head and grew that beard, and became Hawk in the 24th Century! -- Original message -- Also remember that Sisko was Highly Pissed off at the world when he lost his wife...Realistically, I think that was the reason that, if he was passed over for the promotion, was...From what I gather, It seemed as if Sisko was on his way out of Starfleet as I read it...Hence, his posting at DS9...Very plausible...And I thought he did a helluva job turning himself around in one episode... Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I was going back to the premiere, where Sisko was First Officer of his ship. I felt his character should have been a captain of that starship, not the XO. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Astromancer Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 19:20 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people? On one point, I have to say militarily was incorrect...Sisko was a commander, but of an outpost, not a ship, which I am assuming the captain's rank was reserved for ship's commanders...But I do see your point... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Your point is dead-on, which is what I meant. Star Trek was the beacon, starting slowly (a Black woman, no Black men in major roles), then grew with Geordi (whose disability definitely raised eyebrows among Blacks) and Worf, and reaching fruition in Sisko. The series matured in its treatment of people of color (though why Sisko was the only lead character in all the shows that started out as a commander instead of a captain was puzzling). That's what I meant about Enterprise going backwards. They literally regressed over three decades and relegated the Black and Asian characters to the same levels of background noise that unfortunately mostly defined Uhura and Sulu. And speaking of Sulu, MAJOR crime to my mind that George Takei, who has great screen presence, was never able to shine in Trek as he deserved. I'd have loved to have seen a movie based on his Excelsior. And you are so correct in saying that you hate the treatment of people of color on Galactica more now that you like it. I'm the same way. I hated the show when it started, wrote a scathing review in our group, then grew to love it. But then I look up and see the Asian girl being the love interest for two different white dudes, and ditto for the Black girl (Moore hints to a developing love triangle between the Sister, Billy, and Apollo). I see no Brothers playing anything but guards and muscle, as you say. And i just have to wonder, is it intentional or just more of the same white ignorance? Moore is a white man, and maybe bringing women of color on to be love interests for white men is diversity to him. Maybe he hasn't noticed that on several occassions he's used BBM (Big Black Men) as prisoners, and that they're even stereotypically dark-skinned and bald. Maybe he just doesn't get it, but I know it bothers me a great deal. Like I said, when the entire Pegasus command structure turns out white, and two bald brothers show up as the Admiral's personal guard, I was stunned. I'm hoping season three will somehow address this problem. tetsuwanatom1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you know, we hold up Trek
[scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people?
Yeah, that was the episode was on A MAN CALLED HAWK, where the lead guy from the movie STRICKLY BUSINESS and had played the Navy husband on The Cosby Show, was Bailey (Angela) jealous boyfriend with a nasty temper. Her car broke down and Hawk came to help her out. The doctor rolls up in his car and seeing Hawk, the Doctor asks Bailey something along the line of Who's that? (Not the regular who's that?, but the `boyfriend sees another man near his woman' WHO'S THAT?) Bailey says that Hawks a friend of the family, but Hawk can tell that boyfriend is jealous, says a few words and bounces. Later in the club, Bailey is dancing with a guy, and the boyfriend walks over and punches him in the mouth and drags Angels out of the club. Later at the house; Baileys mother (ORACLE from the Matrix) TELLS her that you can't make excuses for her boyfriend. Bailey tells her that she's taking a job in DC. The boyfriend comes to the house pleading to talk to Bailey. Mom says, If I don't let you see her, are you going to hit me to? So Bailey comes down the stairs, the boyfriend pleads for forgiveness, Bailey says its to late, blah-blah-blah. The subplot is that Baileys boyfriend has a gangsta younger brother (played by Wendell Pierce) who is involved criminal business of which durng one crime job he gets shot by Hawks .357. The younger brother convinces his Doctor brother to give him medical care for the gunshot wound. In true comic-book form, they had the cross over of Bailey and Hawk on SPENCER FOR HIRE (where she was introduced first) Bailey Webster (Angela Bassett) gets out of a cab in front of the hospital and bumps into Hawk who's just left his her ailing father -BAILEY (Gasp) Hawk, is he? They hug each other -HAWK (stoic) No. -BAILEY Thank God. They look in each others eyes -HAWK Do you have a place to stay? -BAILEY No, I just got here. -HAWK Keys where it's always been. Bailey remembers the old days. -BAILEY (fighting back a grin) No, that ah..won't be a good idea right now. Hawk signals the taxi in the driveway. It drives over and stops in front of them. Hawk opens the door, puts her Louis Vutton in to the back seat. -HAWK Take her to the Four Seasons Hotel, ask for Jimmy. Tell him Hawk sent you. Bailey looks at Hawk with temptation in her eyes. She walks to the cab door. -BAILEY Thank you Hawk. -HAWK Anytime babe. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember the series. I remember the show with Basset on it too. Hawk lectured her family at the end about staying together or something. It was good, but a little heavy on the mysticism thing for my tastes. I think Hawk was such a good guest character they had a hard time making a fully developed show around him. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of drcsaid Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 17:24 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people? I'm glad that I taped those Hawk episodes on Spencer and A Man Called Hawk series...Wesley, Wendall Pirece, Angela Basset, Samuel Jackson, Eric LaSalle etc were i the cut on those series... I'm going to burn them to DVD...hey an I write that here? I don't want this site shut down too! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LMAO...I wasn't goiong to say that...but you have a point...On top of that, if anyone can get my mom to say Boy is he good lookin', He has got to be impressive...Mom has never uttered that about anyone on TV except Avery Brooks... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with that. He'd lost the fire after his wife's death. I'm just saying I wish he'd started out as Captain Sisko of whatever that starship was he was on. But hey, like you say, he grew like hell in what is probably my favorite Trek series. Oh course, ol' boy didn't really shine until he shaved that head and grew that beard, and became Hawk in the 24th Century! -- Original message -- Also remember that Sisko was Highly Pissed off at the world when he lost his wife...Realistically, I think that was the reason that, if he was passed over for the promotion, was...From what I gather, It seemed as if Sisko was on his way out of Starfleet as I read it...Hence, his posting at DS9...Very plausible...And I thought he did a helluva job turning himself around in one episode... Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I was going back to the premiere, where Sisko was First Officer of his ship. I felt his character should have been a captain of that starship, not the XO. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Astromancer Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 19:20 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re
[scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people?
I'm glad that I taped those Hawk episodes on Spencer and A Man Called Hawk series...Wesley, Wendall Pirece, Angela Basset, Samuel Jackson, Eric LaSalle etc were i the cut on those series... I'm going to burn them to DVD...hey an I write that here? I don't want this site shut down too! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LMAO...I wasn't goiong to say that...but you have a point...On top of that, if anyone can get my mom to say Boy is he good lookin', He has got to be impressive...Mom has never uttered that about anyone on TV except Avery Brooks... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with that. He'd lost the fire after his wife's death. I'm just saying I wish he'd started out as Captain Sisko of whatever that starship was he was on. But hey, like you say, he grew like hell in what is probably my favorite Trek series. Oh course, ol' boy didn't really shine until he shaved that head and grew that beard, and became Hawk in the 24th Century! -- Original message -- Also remember that Sisko was Highly Pissed off at the world when he lost his wife...Realistically, I think that was the reason that, if he was passed over for the promotion, was...From what I gather, It seemed as if Sisko was on his way out of Starfleet as I read it...Hence, his posting at DS9...Very plausible...And I thought he did a helluva job turning himself around in one episode... Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I was going back to the premiere, where Sisko was First Officer of his ship. I felt his character should have been a captain of that starship, not the XO. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Astromancer Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 19:20 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people? On one point, I have to say militarily was incorrect...Sisko was a commander, but of an outpost, not a ship, which I am assuming the captain's rank was reserved for ship's commanders...But I do see your point... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Your point is dead-on, which is what I meant. Star Trek was the beacon, starting slowly (a Black woman, no Black men in major roles), then grew with Geordi (whose disability definitely raised eyebrows among Blacks) and Worf, and reaching fruition in Sisko. The series matured in its treatment of people of color (though why Sisko was the only lead character in all the shows that started out as a commander instead of a captain was puzzling). That's what I meant about Enterprise going backwards. They literally regressed over three decades and relegated the Black and Asian characters to the same levels of background noise that unfortunately mostly defined Uhura and Sulu. And speaking of Sulu, MAJOR crime to my mind that George Takei, who has great screen presence, was never able to shine in Trek as he deserved. I'd have loved to have seen a movie based on his Excelsior. And you are so correct in saying that you hate the treatment of people of color on Galactica more now that you like it. I'm the same way. I hated the show when it started, wrote a scathing review in our group, then grew to love it. But then I look up and see the Asian girl being the love interest for two different white dudes, and ditto for the Black girl (Moore hints to a developing love triangle between the Sister, Billy, and Apollo). I see no Brothers playing anything but guards and muscle, as you say. And i just have to wonder, is it intentional or just more of the same white ignorance? Moore is a white man, and maybe bringing women of color on to be love interests for white men is diversity to him. Maybe he hasn't noticed that on several occassions he's used BBM (Big Black Men) as prisoners, and that they're even stereotypically dark-skinned and bald. Maybe he just doesn't get it, but I know it bothers me a great deal. Like I said, when the entire Pegasus command structure turns out white, and two bald brothers show up as the Admiral's personal guard, I was stunned. I'm hoping season three will somehow address this problem. tetsuwanatom1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you know, we hold up Trek as the beacon, but it was really just the first. I don't think they really got it until TNG was deep into its run. Uhura was a hot swingin babe in a miniskirt. TOS did have black cast members playing doctors (!) and scientists (!!!) though. But really, a black dude with space shades? Burton really worked that character into something. And what abt other minorities in TNG? Had the Japanese nurse . . .. Worf, he's Klingon, just the actor is black. Casting Dorn as Worf though did lead to primarily casting black (men) as Klingons most often. Same could be said for Tuvok, though Vulcans are a little more human looking so his color is
[scifinoir2] Re: Outtakes From Star Trek and Mork and Mindy...
Yep, that was a brother shoveling coal into the Warp engine..it was Benjamin Sisco before he joined Star Fleet Academy... Kirk: Scotty, if the Dylithian crystal runs out, find that temp Benjamin Sisco and give him a shovel. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Puh-LEEZE tell me that wasn't a brother shoveling coal into the warp core in one of those outtakes. Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:This is extremely funny stuff! Much of it is from Star Trek. Sorry you might have to squint to see it. http://www.tvobscurities.com/pages/outtakes.php SPONSORED LINKS Science fiction and fantasy Genre magazine - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group scifinoir2 on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Excuse me while I whip this out. Cleavon Little , Blazing Saddles - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Nona Gaye as Storm?
Came across this on IMDB when they were talking about Halle leaving the role of Storm and Nona stepping in, this was put together by one of the posterslooks good to me... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/rattlerbrat82/Nona%20Gaye/ororo.jpg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people?
Here's something to reminence about given the subjec matter..if I remember correctly, on Babylon 5 there was the episode with the black guy who was a mutant that was hyper-evolving. He was on the run with white girl, and when he was trapped, I belive he changed one of the security guards to atomized molecules and then [he] the black guy evolved to the point where he bacame one with the univese...correct e --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to repost yet again, I'm still wondering. On the season-ending show where the Battlestar Pegasus is found, Admiral Caine travels to Galactica. As her Raptor doors open, we see that she's accompanied by an impressive group of officers and security. The first to disembark are two snarling, armed guards, who scan the crowd with suspicion. I was struck that both of these bookends were Black--and bald! Again, maybe in modern times diversity for whites is no longer just about including Blacks as well. After all, Edward Olmos is Mexican, I think the dude who plays Mr. Gata is Latino, and Grace Park (who plays Sharon) is Asian. And the lady who plays the communications officer is Black. So maybe that seems diverse enough for Moore and company. There was one Black man with some screentime, the guard who ultimately helped President Rosalyn and Apollo escape, but Moore says he just wasn't a good enough fit to make a permanent character. Maybe as a 40-ish Black man I'm holding on to old ideas, and finding insult where there is none. But still, I'm honest enough to admit that it bothers me that they can find Black men to play guards and prisoners in the background, but none for some of the more glamorous roles. And i don't like that all the non-white women are put with white dudes. Too reminiscent of all the years when that was the norm on TV. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 15:24 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people? i posted about this during Season one of Galactica and did a count of Blacks. I counted about three or four, incuding the comm officer and some nameless pilots (I assume) used in the background. I then found a lot of Blacks existed afterall: on the prison barge! When Apollo was sent over there to quell the riots, the place was lousy with Big Black Man, most of them dark-skinned as hell and bald... -- Original message -- --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, DJ VIBE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Battlestar Galactica: (New Series) Well, there's a COMMUNICATIONS officer. . . . Apparently all of the other Black people, with the exception of the religious leader, were killed in the bombing of Caprica. Same with Buck Rogers - I don't recall ever seeing a dark face on there, with the exception of the singers with three mouths - guess all the Black folks were killed off in the cataclysm while Buck was traveling through time. It seems that all the Black people live on Gemina (not Jemima, but too damn close) and are zealatous worshipers of the Kobol lords. Besides the communications officer, we've got the security guard who slips the president her meds, a priestess, and the leader from Gemina who was the first to bow before the Pres last episode. Wow, a race of magical negroes. You know Ron means well, but come on. Perhaps we'll have some strong characters when the Pegasus shows up. I think its that sci-fi in general doesn't have very many Black folks in it at all levels - writers, producers, directors, etc. I think that when none of the people who create something look like Wesley Snipes, chances are they will have issues, or at least some difficulty, seeing a Black face in that role - especially when that role has real power and possibilities for sexual attraction. In the new BSG, there's NO real reason why Adama couldn't have been Black, for example, unless the racial politics on Caprica also echo our civilization. In fact, the very concept of the series should lead to more color-blind casting as the Roman Empire, which this civilization is based on (or which perhaps was influenced by *this* civilization?) didn't do ethnic-based slavery. A good example of what the lack of Black folks behind the scenes does is the movie Pleasantville. This was an entire movie about people who lived in a Black and White world. The movie makes the point that the people there weren't alive until COLOR was introduced - yet there were NO Black people in the movie and only a few people of color in the beginning high school sequence in our world. To me, being Black and all, it seems obvious that the most shocking and obvious thing in this movie would have been the introduction
[scifinoir2] [Waay off topic]Cosmetics from executed Chinese, paper says
Cosmetics from executed Chinese, paper says Tue Sep 13, 5:03 AM ET A British newspaper said that a Chinese cosmetics company was using skin harvested from the corpses of executed convicts to develop beauty products for sale in Europe. Agents for the firm, which could not be named for legal reasons, have told would-be customers that skin taken from prisoners after they have been shot is being used to develop collagen for lip and wrinkle treatments, the Guardian newspaper said following an undercover investigation. The agents say some of the company's products have been exported to the UK, and that the use of skin from condemned convicts is 'traditional' and nothing to 'make such a big fuss about', the daily alleged. It said doctors and politicians were worried about the dangers associated with people wanting to look better in such ways, because European regulations to control cosmetic treatments such as collagen are not expected for several years. Apart from the ethical concerns, there is also the potential risk of infection, the newspaper said. Collagen is the fibrous protein constituent of skin, cartilage, bone, and other connective tissue. The Guardian said it was unclear whether the anonymous company's treatments were already available in Britain or over the Internet. It was also unable to say whether collagen made from prisoners' skin was in the research stage or was in production. However, the Guardian has learned that the company has exported collagen products to the UK in the past. An agent told customers it had also exported to the US and European countries, and that it was trying to develop fillers using tissue from aborted foetuses. The newspaper said that when formally approached the agent denied the company was using skin harvested from executed prisoners. At the same time, it said the same person had already admitted this to an undercover researcher. It quoted that agent as saying: A lot of the research is still carried out in the traditional manner using skin from the executed prisoner and aborted foetus. This material, he said, was being bought from bio tech companies based in the northern province of Heilongjiang, and was being developed elsewhere in China. China executes more prisoners than the rest of the world combined, although the precise number put to death is not known. One recent tally by a European anti-capital punishment group said that at least 5,000 of the near 5,500 known executions worldwide in 2004 took place in China. Copyright © 2005 Agence France Presse. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AFP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of Agence France Presse. Copyright © 2005 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/FXrMlA/dnQLAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
