[scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By http://search.ew.com/EWSearch/ew/search/search.html?type=ew:Nicole+Sperling ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20197922,00.html Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,276445,00.html Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,20001160,00.html for the sequel. And reports that Don http://www.ew.comhttp:/popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-cheadl.htm l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2750,00.html 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2024,00.html . More than Jeff http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,20001002,00.html Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2121,00.html And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,645687,00.html went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs never told Howard's reps that they had issues with the star's on-set conduct. (Marvel would not comment for this story.) It's unclear whether Howard's team walked away first, or if Marvel ended the discussion at that point. Either way, the studio moved quickly to secure Cheadle and the story leaked out the next morning, Oct. 14. And alas for Howard, there will be no next time. More from the EW archive: http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-cheadl.html Iron Man 2: Don Cheadle's in Terrence http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-2-terr.html Howard Breaks Silence on Iron Man
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow . More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs never told Howard's reps that they had issues with the star's on-set conduct. (Marvel would not comment for this story.) It's unclear whether Howard's team walked away first, or if Marvel ended the discussion at that point. Either way, the studio moved quickly to secure Cheadle and the story leaked out the next morning, Oct. 14. And alas for Howard, there will be no next time. More from the EW archive: Iron Man 2: Don Cheadle's in Terrence Howard Breaks Silence on Iron Man ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001)
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow . More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs never told Howard's reps that they had issues with the star's on-set conduct. (Marvel would not comment for this story.) It's unclear whether Howard's team walked away first, or if Marvel ended the discussion at that point. Either way, the studio moved quickly to secure Cheadle and the story leaked out the next morning, Oct. 14. And alas for Howard, there will be no next time. More from the EW archive: Iron Man 2: Don Cheadle's in Terrence Howard Breaks Silence on Iron Man ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol? redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001)
[scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
While I don't question Cheadle's talent to pull it off, the simple fact is that Howard LOOKED like Rhodes. I'm a longtime Iron Man fan and an even bigger fan of War Machine (I'm probably one of the few who liked the alien armor). Howard is a solid actor. He's definitely light years above Ioan Gruffudd. If anyone needed to be replaced over talent issues, it's him. I have a sinking feeling Howards head got too big which is what brought all this on. Howard even acts like Rhodes. That said. Cheadle definitely has the stuff to pull of the mannerisms of Rhodes, but the real question is can he pull of the look. For me, Terrence Howard nailed it. Cheadle is a little dark to be Rhodey. Like I said. I'm a LONG time fan of Rhodes and I've yet to see a dark skinned Rhodey. He's always been medium to light skinned. Of course, Marvel did make Fury black so who knows it just might work. As long as the actual War Machine armor makes an appearance I think I can get over it. (Hell even if it doesn't I'll probably be able to get over it) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow . More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs
[scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
Well, i posted a link last week to Howard's interview with NPR. Here's the link again:http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95833828 In it, he said he wasn't aware he was going to be dropped: he just got the news his services were no longer needed. Now we all know that actors can have issues of salary and even personality conflict. So an actor *can* be saying "I don't know why they let me go" and just not even considering unfair demands or his bad attitude as possible causes. But Howard specifically said then "It shows that promises aren't worth anything, agreements aren't worth anything, contracts aren't worth anything". The decided impression he conveyed was that he'd been given verbal and written statements of what he'd get, and they went back on them. From what you submit here, seems that's the case. It is crap to try to go back and cut his salary. Slap in the face, whether he was difficult or not. And, while I'm honestly not crazy with Howard as Rhodey, those folks cast him, after, I assume, screen tests and careful consideration. So don't try to punish him by cutting his salary. I'm sure he did what h e thought he was told to do--not his fault. Tacky move on the suits' parts. -- Original message -- From: "Tracey de Morsella" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow. More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs never told Howard's reps that they had issues with the star's on-set conduct. (Marvel would not comment for this story.) It's unclear whether Howard's team walked away first, or if Marvel ended the discussion at that point. Either way, the studio moved quickly to secure Cheadle and the story leaked out the next morning, Oct. 14. And alas for Howard, there will be no next time. More from the EW archive: Iron Man 2: Don Cheadle's in Terrence Howard Breaks Silence on Iron Man
[scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
What is not addressed here is that Terrence Howard's primary crime appears to be that he, a black man and supporting player, managed to score a higher salary than his more famous white co-stars. I can see this festering into a nasty point of contention which the producers ham-handedly tried to rectify by slashing Howard's pay for the sequel - because, make no mistake, Downey and Paltrow are more important to this franchise than Howard is. I have experienced a similar situation in my workplace, a situation that grew ugly when one of our engineers found out that I, a technician, and a black one at that, was making more money than she was. My situation had a different resolution, however, as I remained at the company and the engineer (who didn't know company culture as well as I did - which was how I scored my salary in the first place) was given an opportunity to work elsewhere. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By http://search.ew.com/EWSearch/ew/search/search.html? type=ew:Nicole+Sperling ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20197922,00.html Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,276445,00.html Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,20001160,00.html for the sequel. And reports that Don http://www.ew.comhttp:/popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man- cheadl.htm l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2750,00.html 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2024,00.html . More than Jeff http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,20001002,00.html Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2121,00.html And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,645687,00.html went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs never told Howard's reps that they had issues with the star's on-set conduct. (Marvel would not comment for this story.) It's unclear whether Howard's team walked away first, or if Marvel ended the discussion at that point. Either way, the studio moved quickly to secure Cheadle and the story leaked out the next morning, Oct. 14. And alas for Howard, there will be no next time. More from the EW archive: http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-cheadl.html Iron Man 2: Don Cheadle's in Terrence http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-2- terr.html Howard Breaks Silence on Iron Man
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Unless i'm mistaken Rhodes has been portrayed as dark skin many times over the years. In Civil War', for example, he's wy darker than light-skinned, greenish eyed Howard. In terms of pure skin color, Cheadle's closer than Howard. But I still think they did Howard wrong. Might be business as usual, but he sure didn't see it coming... -- Original message -- From: votomguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I don't question Cheadle's talent to pull it off, the simple fact is that Howard LOOKED like Rhodes. I'm a longtime Iron Man fan and an even bigger fan of War Machine (I'm probably one of the few who liked the alien armor). Howard is a solid actor. He's definitely light years above Ioan Gruffudd. If anyone needed to be replaced over talent issues, it's him. I have a sinking feeling Howards head got too big which is what brought all this on. Howard even acts like Rhodes. That said. Cheadle definitely has the stuff to pull of the mannerisms of Rhodes, but the real question is can he pull of the look. For me, Terrence Howard nailed it. Cheadle is a little dark to be Rhodey. Like I said. I'm a LONG time fan of Rhodes and I've yet to see a dark skinned Rhodey. He's always been medium to light skinned. Of course, Marvel did make Fury black so who knows it just might work. As long as the actual War Machine armor makes an appearance I think I can get over it. (Hell even if it doesn't I'll probably be able to get over it) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow . More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went
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I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By http://search.ew.com/EWSearch/ew/search/search.html?type=ew:Nicole+Sperling ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20197922,00.html Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,276445,00.html Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,20001160,00.html for the sequel. And reports that Don http://www.ew.comhttp:/popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-cheadl.htm l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2750,00.html 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2024,00.html . More than Jeff http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,20001002,00.html Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. http://www.ew.com/ew/allabout/0,,2121,00.html And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,645687,00.html went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs never told Howard's reps that they had issues with the star's on-set conduct. (Marvel would not comment for this story.) It's unclear whether Howard's team walked away first, or if Marvel ended the discussion at that point. Either way, the studio moved quickly to secure Cheadle and the story leaked out the next morning, Oct. 14. And alas for Howard, there will be no next time. More from the EW archive: http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-cheadl.html Iron Man 2: Don Cheadle's in Terrence http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/10/iron-man-2-terr.html Howard Breaks Silence on Iron Man ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001)
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In terms of looks, Rhodes favors Denzel more than anyone else in H'Wood. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:44:11 + From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Unless i'm mistaken Rhodes has been portrayed as dark skin many times over the years. In Civil War', for example, he's wy darker than light-skinned, greenish eyed Howard. In terms of pure skin color, Cheadle's closer than Howard. But I still think they did Howard wrong. Might be business as usual, but he sure didn't see it coming... -- Original message -- From: votomguy While I don't question Cheadle's talent to pull it off, the simple fact is that Howard LOOKED like Rhodes. I'm a longtime Iron Man fan and an even bigger fan of War Machine (I'm probably one of the few who liked the alien armor). Howard is a solid actor. He's definitely light years above Ioan Gruffudd. If anyone needed to be replaced over talent issues, it's him. I have a sinking feeling Howards head got too big which is what brought all this on. Howard even acts like Rhodes. That said. Cheadle definitely has the stuff to pull of the mannerisms of Rhodes, but the real question is can he pull of the look. For me, Terrence Howard nailed it. Cheadle is a little dark to be Rhodey. Like I said. I'm a LONG time fan of Rhodes and I've yet to see a dark skinned Rhodey. He's always been medium to light skinned. Of course, Marvel did make Fury black so who knows it just might work. As long as the actual War Machine armor makes an appearance I think I can get over it. (Hell even if it doesn't I'll probably be able to get over it) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart wrote: Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow . More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached
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Do you guys think there is any truth to their claim about having to pay him more than anyone else, being difficult to work with, and having to reshoot his scenes because of performance issues or is that just spin? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:44 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Unless i'm mistaken Rhodes has been portrayed as dark skin many times over the years. In Civil War', for example, he's wy darker than light-skinned, greenish eyed Howard. In terms of pure skin color, Cheadle's closer than Howard. But I still think they did Howard wrong. Might be business as usual, but he sure didn't see it coming... -- Original message -- From: votomguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I don't question Cheadle's talent to pull it off, the simple fact is that Howard LOOKED like Rhodes. I'm a longtime Iron Man fan and an even bigger fan of War Machine (I'm probably one of the few who liked the alien armor). Howard is a solid actor. He's definitely light years above Ioan Gruffudd. If anyone needed to be replaced over talent issues, it's him. I have a sinking feeling Howards head got too big which is what brought all this on. Howard even acts like Rhodes. That said. Cheadle definitely has the stuff to pull of the mannerisms of Rhodes, but the real question is can he pull of the look. For me, Terrence Howard nailed it. Cheadle is a little dark to be Rhodey. Like I said. I'm a LONG time fan of Rhodes and I've yet to see a dark skinned Rhodey. He's always been medium to light skinned. Of course, Marvel did make Fury black so who knows it just might work. As long as the actual War Machine armor makes an a ppeara nce I think I can get over it. (Hell even if it doesn't I'll probably be able to get over it) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. g t; -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. gt; -G TW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling W hen a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow . More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his
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Means that I have to break my promise to myself and catch Traitor when it's out on DVD. Since I did like the previews, I'll bite the bullet. I already see your meaning re: :Mission To Mars. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:56:16 -0500 From : Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling When a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's difficult behavior on the set of Iron Man. But those with intimate knowledge of the situation suggest a far more dramatic backstory: Howard was the first actor signed to the film and, on top of that, was the highest-paid. That's right: more than Gwyneth Paltrow . More than Jeff Bridges. More than Robert Downey Jr. And once the project fully came together, it was too late to renegotiate his deal. It didn't help that, according to one source, Favreau and his producers were ultimately unhappy with Howard's performance, and spent a lot of time cutting and reshooting his scenes. (Favreau could not be reached for comment, while Howard's publicist says: ''Terrence had a tremendous experience working on Iron Man.'') As such, when Favreau and screenwriter Justin Theroux went to map out the sequel they found themselves minimizing Howard's story line. Once Marvel learned that Favreau was thinking of curtailing the role, the studio went to the actor's agents with a new and drastically reduced offer - a number that's similar to what supporting cast members were paid for the first movie. The agents, according to sources, were so taken aback by this new figure - estimated at somewhere between a 50 and 80 percent pay cut - that they questioned it. Why did they blanch? Multiple sources say that Marvel execs never told Howard's reps that they had issues with the star's on-set conduct. (Marvel would not comment for this story.) It's unclear whether Howard's team walked away first, or if Marvel ended the discussion at that point. Either way, the studio moved quickly to secure Cheadle and the story leaked out the next morning, Oct. 14. And alas for Howard, there will be no next time. More from the EW archive: Iron Man 2: Don Cheadle's in Terrence Howard Breaks Silence on Iron Man ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol? redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001)
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Tracey, in a word, no. Can't remember who posted this this morning, rave I believe (day's been a blur for me), saying that he'd been higher paid than another person at his job, and how much of a stink the other guy caused. That's all that is. Someone got wind of the numbers and raised Unholy Heck. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:48:45 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Do you guys think there is any truth to their claim about having to pay him more than anyone else, being difficult to work with, and having to reshoot his scenes because of performance issues or is that just spin? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:44 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Unless i'm mistaken Rhodes has been portrayed as dark skin many times over the years. In Civil War', for example, he's wy darker than light-skinned, greenish eyed Howard. In terms of pure skin color, Cheadle's closer than Howard. But I still think they did Howard wrong. Might be business as usual, but he sure didn't see it coming... -- Original message -- From: votomguy While I don't question Cheadle's talent to pull it off, the simple fact is that Howard LOOKED like Rhodes. I'm a longtime Iron Man fan and an even bigger fan of War Machine (I'm probably one of the few who liked the alien armor). Howard is a solid actor. He's definitely light years above Ioan Gruffudd. If anyone needed to be replaced over talent issues, it's him. I have a sinking feeling Howards head got too big which is what brought all this on. Howard even acts like Rhodes. That said. Cheadle definitely has the stuff to pull of the mannerisms of Rhodes, but the real question is can he pull of the look. For me, Terrence Howard nailed it. Cheadle is a little dark to be Rhodey. Like I said. I'm a LONG time fan of Rhodes and I've yet to see a dark skinned Rhodey. He's always been medium to light skinned. Of course, Marvel did make Fury black so who knows it just might work. As long as the actual War Machine armor makes an a ppeara nce I think I can get over it. (Hell even if it doesn't I'll probably be able to get over it) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Daryle Lockhart wrote: Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. amp;g t; -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. amp; gt; -G TW In a message dated 11/4/08 3:11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I like Cheadle but I can't see him in the role of James Rhodes... Said --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella wrote: 'Iron Man 2': How Terrence Howard Lost His Metal Marvel's decision to recast the role of Col. Jim Rhodes said to be a combination of salary issues and concern about the performance By ; Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling Nicole Sperling W hen a summer blockbuster grosses more than $300 million, putting together a sequel is typically as simple as throwing buckets of money at your stars and signing a few pieces of paper. That hasn't been the case with Iron Man 2. It took months for Marvel Studios to lock in director Jon Favreau for the sequel. And reports that Don l Cheadle will replace Terrence Howard as Col. Jim Rhodes - a supporting character who seemed poised for a big role in the follow-up after he muttered ''Next time, baby'' to Iron Man's steel suit - hint that IM2 isn't quite as infallible as the superhero at its center. Hollywood insiders believe the exit stems from Terrence Howard 's
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The point is we don't. Still what's done is done. And now I'm hoping this means that we will be seeing a bigger role for Rhodey in IM3. Especially since he's playing a bigger role in the current comic (and has played a big role in the comic's past). -GTw In a message dated 11/4/08 10:35:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But *how* do they know that Howard couldn't handle the role? They never gave him a chance. I love Cheadle's work, top to bottom, but he's a dramatic actor. I can't see him fitting into what is primarily an action movie. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:47:45 EST From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't know. But I think he can do it. Especially after seeing him in that movie were he plays a CIA counter-agent. Still after reading the article does this mean that Rhodes will have a bigger role in the film now that they fell they have an actor that can handle it. Or will we barely see him in IM2 no matter who plays him because of this. -GTW ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001)
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IMO Cheadle was the one that almost saved Mission to Mars as he and the Sinses were the only characters I cared about in the film. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 6:17:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Means that I have to break my promise to myself and catch Traitor when it's out on DVD. Since I did like the previews, I'll bite the bullet. I already see your meaning re: :Mission To Mars. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:56:16 -0500 From : Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001)
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired
I totally agree with you.I look forward to him in this part. I enjoy pretty much all of his work..Even in movies I did not like. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:35 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired IMO Cheadle was the one that almost saved Mission to Mars as he and the Sinses were the only characters I cared about in the film. -GTW In a message dated 11/4/08 6:17:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Means that I have to break my promise to myself and catch Traitor when it's out on DVD. Since I did like the previews, I'll bite the bullet. I already see your meaning re: :Mission To Mars. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Ironman: Why They Say Terrance Howard was Fired Date : Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:56:16 -0500 From : Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sadly, the role that proves Cheadle is better for this than Howard -- is the role nobody likes him in. In Mission To Mars you have Cheadle doing technobabble in a space suit in scenes with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins. If you watch that, then watch Traitor, you'll see that Cheadle's the guy. ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=htt p://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001)
