Re: [silk] Do you think Ubuntu is dead?
Today the last hurdle that I faced that required my using Windows was removed. I got my video camera to be recognized on Ubuntu 7.04 via a Firewire port. One of the things that is apparent to me as a non techie user of Linux is how things have gradually got better and easier over the last 5-6 years. Of course - everything that I am doing now was possible at that time - but I had insurmountable hardware and software (driver) obstacles against doing that. At one stage I could only read USB drives after manually loading the usb module. It took me years to get a scanner to work under linux - and that too after a great deal of research and tweaking. Those problems are now history - and after today's success - I realise that in 2-3 years time - when there is pressure to change to Vista - I will not have to do that for the work I like to do. In fact I wrote a few weeks ago about the need for reinstalling all the Windows apps on my new dual-boot drive, As a matter of fact I have installed nothing other than the basic XP install and I have spent over 99% of the time using Linux - especially since Samba is working like a dream and I figured out how to mount an NTFS partition (that I deliberately created just to see what I could do with it) shiv
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On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 20:22 +0530, ss wrote: Well - just writing to say that the last 48 hours have been the most satisfying and successful of all my years as a non techie dumb user using Linux. Ubuntu again this time. I spent the weekend doing Linux installs too. I installed Ubuntu twice, and Fedora Core 8 twice. All on the same machine. :) I now seem to have a working installation of Fedora Core 8 fingers crossed. Let's see how it goes. Fedora Core 8 has the edge over Ubuntu 7.10, IMO - sound worked more or less out of the box, though a potentially serious problem (wireless not working) was eventually sorted out by plugging the machine via Ethernet into my wireless router, and then upgrading Network Manager, which did the trick. I've downloaded some 2GB of updates so far this weekend...eep. Udhay
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Udhay Shankar N wrote: [ on 05:38 PM 2/17/2008 ] Fedora Core 8 has the edge over Ubuntu 7.10, IMO - sound worked more or less out of the box I may have spoken too soon: my built-in webcam is not recognized - though an investigation will have to wait until next weekend. , though a potentially serious problem (wireless not working) was eventually sorted out by plugging the machine via Ethernet into my wireless router, and then upgrading Network Manager, which did the trick. I'm also kind of annoyed that wireless profiles don't seem to get saved in Network Manager. How hard can that be? Udhay (who's happy that he saved himself some amount of grief by doing each install using the scorched-earth method of formatting the drive completely. Yay for external backup.) -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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On Feb 15, 2008 8:57 PM, Bharath Chari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deepa Mohan wrote: Feisty Fawn (any more alliterative animals that Ubuntu has spawned?) Gutsy Gibbon is the latest. The way I keep track of the codenames - They go in roughly[1] alphabetical order: Breezy Badger - Dapper Drake - Edgy Eft - Feisty Fawn - Gutsy Gibbon - Hardy Heron. Thaths [1] Forget Warty and Hoary -- Bart: We were just planning the father-son river rafting trip. Homer: Hehe. You don't have a son. Sudhakar ChandraSlacker Without Borders
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On Feb 16, 2008 10:12 PM, Thaths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 15, 2008 8:40 PM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The author says I am fine with Linux but what about others?. And in saying this the author is also putting himself on par with my Indian-American relatives who used to visit India on holiday in the 1980s after 4 years in the US and ask Don't telephones work here? You have power failures here? You should see the US Addendum from the early 21st century (2008 CE): During a 2-week visit to Chennai and Mumbai not only did the telephones work (the mobiles worked much better than mobiles work in the US, though, with a tad more network operator sms spam), there was not a single power failure during my stay. The worst part of the trip was once being forced to share a car ride to the Mumbai airport with an Indian American couple who had lived in the US for over 3 decades. They kept fretting about possibly missing their flight and complaining about the traffic. All the while I was thinking to myself that the problem was not one of traffic, but one of them not knowing what to expect of rush hour traffic and planning ahead. Thaths Thaths! That felt so good to read! I am completely comfortable with both systems and this is what I too feel..it IS a question of adjusting to the system and the way it works. Here, for example, I budget for the time taken to answer the doorbell all the 12 or 13 times it rings in the morning, and dealing with the people at the door. There, I adjust for the time it takes to go and get milk..it certainly won't be delivered at my doorstep fresh every morning, like it is here (one of the doorbell rings.) Deepa. Addendum from the early 21st century (2008 CE): During a 2-week visit to Chennai and Mumbai not only did the telephones work (the mobiles worked much better than mobiles work in the US, though, with a tad more network operator sms spam), there was not a single power failure during my stay. The worst part of the trip was once being forced to share a car ride to the Mumbai airport with an Indian American couple who had lived in the US for over 3 decades. They kept fretting about possibly missing their flight and complaining about the traffic. All the while I was thinking to myself that the problem was not one of traffic, but one of them not knowing what to expect of rush hour traffic and planning ahead. Thaths -- Bart: We were just planning the father-son river rafting trip. Homer: Hehe. You don't have a son. Sudhakar ChandraSlacker Without Borders
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On Feb 15, 2008 8:40 PM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The author says I am fine with Linux but what about others?. And in saying this the author is also putting himself on par with my Indian-American relatives who used to visit India on holiday in the 1980s after 4 years in the US and ask Don't telephones work here? You have power failures here? You should see the US Addendum from the early 21st century (2008 CE): During a 2-week visit to Chennai and Mumbai not only did the telephones work (the mobiles worked much better than mobiles work in the US, though, with a tad more network operator sms spam), there was not a single power failure during my stay. The worst part of the trip was once being forced to share a car ride to the Mumbai airport with an Indian American couple who had lived in the US for over 3 decades. They kept fretting about possibly missing their flight and complaining about the traffic. All the while I was thinking to myself that the problem was not one of traffic, but one of them not knowing what to expect of rush hour traffic and planning ahead. Thaths -- Bart: We were just planning the father-son river rafting trip. Homer: Hehe. You don't have a son. Sudhakar ChandraSlacker Without Borders
Re: [silk] Do you think Ubuntu is dead?
Well - just writing to say that the last 48 hours have been the most satisfying and successful of all my years as a non techie dumb user using Linux. Ubuntu again this time. I suddenly developed some hardware problems with my old computer (running dual boot Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary Hedgehog and Windows) and did a quick and dirty inexpensive upgrade of Motherboard, CPU, RAM , HDD and box to an AMD 64 bit with 1 GB RAM and 160 GB SATA HDD (@ Rs 10,000 for the lot) Installed Win XP first and tried to install Ubuntu 6.06 - but the graphical partition manager did not work. So I had (previously downloaded) a CD of Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn I think). This was a dream installation. The online upgrades and kde related downloads totalling about 600 MB more were flawless. I had no trouble importing all my email onto the new kmail installation - using the importer (downloaded separately via synaptic) Downloaded and installed Flash player for Youtube videos. Easily modified /etc/fstab to access my usual FAT 32 Windows partition, but I still have not tried accessing a NTFS partition. The installation recognised my (HP 3100) printer/scanner first time and is prinitng and scanning with no sweat on my part. A Bluetooth dongle was recognised first time and connected to my cellphone (Windows Mobile on Moto Q) I mistyped my password for internet banking and locked myself out of my account. But that is my fault. All in all a dream Do I think Ubuntu is dead? Not at all. shiv
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I normally and wisely refrain from ever commenting on the technical stuff that often fills silkmaillbut... Let me quote: I suddenly developed some hardware problems with my old computer (running dual boot Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary Hedgehog and Windows) and did a quick and dirty inexpensive upgrade of Motherboard, CPU, RAM , HDD and box to an AMD 64 bit with 1 GB RAM and 160 GB SATA HDD (@ Rs 10,000 for the lot) Installed Win XP first and tried to install Ubuntu 6.06 - but the graphical partition manager did not work. So I had (previously downloaded) a CD of Ubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn I think). This was a dream installation. The online upgrades and kde related downloads totalling about 600 MB more were flawless. I had no trouble importing all my email onto the new kmail installation - using the importer (downloaded separately via synaptic) Downloaded and installed Flash player for Youtube videos. Easily modified /etc/fstab to access my usual FAT 32 Windows partition, but I still have not tried accessing a NTFS partition. The installation recognised my (HP 3100) printer/scanner first time and is prinitng and scanning with no sweat on my part. A Bluetooth dongle was recognised first time and connected to my cellphone (Windows Mobile on Moto Q) Anyone who writes all that may be a non-techie but NOT a dumb usertoo much self-deprecation not allowed!! But... mistyped my password for internet banking and locked myself out of my account. But that is my fault. Now...THAT sounds more like meme, for example, I have no clue what these words even MEAN: Hoary Hedgehog 160 GB SATA HDD (ok, I guess HDD is Hard Disk Drive?) graphical partition manager Feisty Fawn (any more alliterative animals that Ubuntu has spawned?) kde related downloads modified /etc/fstab FAT 32 Windows partition NTFS partition dongle (no, that can't be what I think.) I am doing all this cut and paste now...I usually skim through, and delete, all such tech stuff as I firmly believe in learn-only-as-much-as-you-need-about-software-as-it-shall-become-obsolete-in-about-twenty-minutes! Shiv, you have always been one of the most computer-savvy non-computer professionals I know. Perhaps, like someone else I know, you too might suddenly switch from being a medical practitioner to a software techie...but no, I don't think that will happen..but it very easily could! Deepa.
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On Friday 15 Feb 2008 11:01:13 pm Deepa Mohan wrote: Anyone who writes all that may be a non-techie but NOT a dumb usertoo much self-deprecation not allowed!! Thanks for the compliment Deepa, but I have a rant in connection with the original article that started this thread. The writer of the article starts off with a commonly used tactic to justify saying certain things. Things that he perhaps wants to say himself, but does not want to admit, perhaps for the loss of face it may entail and claims that he is saying it on behalf of others - on the lines of I don't mind people eating dog meat but what about others? The author says I am fine with Linux but what about others?. And in saying this the author is also putting himself on par with my Indian-American relatives who used to visit India on holiday in the 1980s after 4 years in the US and ask Don't telephones work here? You have power failures here? You should see the US Installing Linux in 2008 is no more difficult than it used to be installling Windows 98 ten years ago, and the Linux installation is a lot more capable, and a lot less useless than any Windows installation from 1993 to 2008. If you must install Windows yourself, you have to have a basic degree of knowledge of some issues and at the end of the installation you will have a nearly useless machine that will take at least 2 full more days for you to install a bank heist's worth of Windows software to make the machine both safe and functional. Linux OTOH gives you a fully functional and safe machine within hours of beginning an installation, provided you have acquired a basic degree of knowledge. But like I said - you require a basic degree of knowledge for Windows too. I have installed on this machine both Windows and Linux. But I am comfortable because the Linux machine is up and running better than my old Linux install that I abandoned just 3 days ago. My Windows instalation is still incomplete, even after I installed special drivers for the motherboard, separate third party firewall, separate third party antivirus, MS Office, Printer/scanner drivers, mobile phone drivers (not working any more). bluetooth drivers. I still have to install my favorite image viewing and image manipulation softare for Windows and I still cannot read or create a pdf file unless I download Acrobat reader or install a version of Adobe Acrobat to create pdfs. All this and more was done in the first install of Linux - completed in the first few hours after I started. shiv
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Deepa Mohan wrote: Feisty Fawn (any more alliterative animals that Ubuntu has spawned?) Gutsy Gibbon is the latest. Bharath
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On Feb 15, 2008 5:31 PM, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now...THAT sounds more like meme, for example, I have no clue what these words even MEAN: Hoary Hedgehog its the Ubuntu (animal friendly) naming system for an unstable (under development guaranteed to break your machine) new release. Stable releases use version numbers (7.10, 8.04) 160 GB SATA HDD (ok, I guess HDD is Hard Disk Drive?) graphical partition manager ditch the command line that dev's swear by Feisty Fawn (any more alliterative animals that Ubuntu has spawned?) keep going till you hit Z (decade --1) kde related downloads modified /etc/fstab FAT 32 Windows partition NTFS partition dongle (no, that can't be what I think.) I am doing all this cut and paste now...I usually skim through, and delete, all such tech stuff as I firmly believe in learn-only-as-much-as-you-need-about-software-as-it-shall-become-obsolete-in-about-twenty-minutes! smart cookie :) -- || vid ||
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On Friday 15 Feb 2008 11:01:13 pm Deepa Mohan wrote: dongle (no, that can't be what I think.) Just saw this. No. A dong is what you must be thinking about :) A dongle is not one of those. shiv
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On 13 Feb 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never had the time to clean out the entries though - there's a tool in GNOME these days that allows that. GConf Cleaner[1] ? Footnotes: [1] http://code.google.com/p/gconf-cleaner/ -- Alok Everything that can be invented has been invented. -- Charles Duell, Director of U.S. Patent Office, 1899
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Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: [ on 07:31 PM 2/12/2008 ] | This has now reached crisis proportions. Gnome crashes within 10 | minutes, which isn't long enough for me to even try and debug it given | my current level of knowledge. Was this a clean install or an installation with /home (and others) intact ? Various gconf settings tend to end up being unpredictable is what I have observed Clean install. Since then (around a month ago) I've been randomly installing various apps, any one of which could conceivably be responsible for this current mess, I guess. I need to figure this out, but the problem is that I don't want to spend several months in the process. :-\ Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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Udhay Shankar N wrote: [ on 08:19 PM 2/6/2008 ] Amen, brother. I've been playing with Gutsy (7.10) for a while now and am dealing with unpredictable crashes - which are getting more and more annoying. This has now reached crisis proportions. Gnome crashes within 10 minutes, which isn't long enough for me to even try and debug it given my current level of knowledge. KDE isn't too much better, though it *is* measurably better, except for the fact that I can't get sound to work. I have the nagging suspicion it should all be relatively easy to fix if I only knew how. Proving Eugen's point, I would've found this fun 10 years ago. Now it's just a chore. Anybody want to come over and help this weekend? (I can come over with the laptop too, if required) If it's at my place, I will provide beer. Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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The random installs might have a hand in the current state of affairs. I did something like this and after a year did a clean install of Gutsy. On a different hard disk ;-) my thinkpad is quite happy now, mostly. Still have swap problems. Discovered today at IISc that connecting to a projector/external monitor works flawlessly. My previous fears were unfounded. On 2/12/08, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: [ on 07:31 PM 2/12/2008 ] | This has now reached crisis proportions. Gnome crashes within 10 | minutes, which isn't long enough for me to even try and debug it given | my current level of knowledge. Was this a clean install or an installation with /home (and others) intact ? Various gconf settings tend to end up being unpredictable is what I have observed Clean install. Since then (around a month ago) I've been randomly installing various apps, any one of which could conceivably be responsible for this current mess, I guess. I need to figure this out, but the problem is that I don't want to spend several months in the process. :-\ Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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On Tuesday 12 Feb 2008 7:21 pm, Udhay Shankar N wrote: This has now reached crisis proportions. I did an installation of Ubuntu 6.06 2 days ago. Seemed perfect. A single test install of Ubuntu 7.04 downloaded earlier was bad. Why do you want Ubuntu 7.10? 6.06 has LTS until June 2009. The only difference might be the ability to read and write to NTFS partitions included by default in 7.10. But I just bought a new machine so I will reinstall 6.06 for AMD 64 bit in a couple of days. Have you played with your bios video settings - which might be responsible for a crashing Gnome/KDE. Try fail-safe defaults or something. Did you do a RAM check? shiv
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On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Rishab Ghosh wrote: So I was trying it again last night after the kernel update, and resume will sometimes come back - and other times appear to come back, but without turning the LCD backlight on. That is, I can tell the LCD is drawing something on the screen - I can make out the box for entering a password at resume, and after doing so, my desktop - but it's just not have you tried swsuspend? yeah i know it is a hack. i found hibernation works better than suspend (in my case, perfectly) - but again, with reference to the subject line, i don't know that this is an ubuntu problem rather than a general linux problem - do other distributions do a much better job at out-of-the-box suspend/resume? not in my experience. Yeah, but I couldn't find s2ram, so I couldn't get suspend working, and didn't want to futz with hibernation. It seemed like a poorly documented hack that didn't inspire a lot of confidence, and I had burned way too much time on something that should JFW. The X40 I had worked perfectly, so again, I point the finger at Lenovo. Brian
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Gautam John wrote: [ on 08:37 PM 1/8/2008 ] I'd be hesitant to write an orbit just yet but things have gotten noticeably worse over the last year or so that I've been using Ubuntu. Suspend/Resume does not work and no, it's not acceptable for me to have to limit my hardware choices based on whether Ubuntu will suspend/resume reliably. Stability seems to have gone up the creek and forgotten its paddle. It manages to hang on me at least once every two days or so which necessitates a hard boot. I'm still happy buying into the philosophy but then normal users want something that damn well works. Amen, brother. I've been playing with Gutsy (7.10) for a while now and am dealing with unpredictable crashes - which are getting more and more annoying. To be fair, I am promiscuously installing any app I can find, on the theory that I will reinstall the OS from scratch at least once more before I go the whole hog with 8.04. But still, annoying. Let's see whow it goes... Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))
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On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 08:19:14PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: Amen, brother. I've been playing with Gutsy (7.10) for a while now Ah, the same mistake I made. Let's hope LTS will iron these out. It's almost certainly the accelerated proprietary nvidia graphics drivers in my case. and am dealing with unpredictable crashes - which are getting more and more annoying. I'm spending more time in XP, especially since I use Second Life more heavily. Both voice and 6DOF (SpaceNavigator) in flycam don't work in the Linux client yet. To be fair, I am promiscuously installing any app I can find, on the theory that I will reinstall the OS from scratch at least once more I'm getting tired of reinstalls. I'll upgrade to LTS, and that will be it for that particular machine. before I go the whole hog with 8.04. But still, annoying. Let's see whow it goes... ...it goes to illustrate that the era of excitement in IT is over. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
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On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 08:19:14PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: To be fair, I am promiscuously installing any app I can find, on the theory that I will reinstall the OS from scratch at least once more before I go the whole hog with 8.04. But still, annoying. maybe that explains it? i am very happy with gutsy on a high-end vaio that's hard for linux to work with anyway. i recently set up mac4lin and bluetooth with headphones and everything all works beautifully, fast, and it's really a showpiece for how good and userfriendly free software can be. all my friends with vista are jealous :-)
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On Feb 6, 2008 8:19 PM, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen, brother. I've been playing with Gutsy (7.10) for a while now and am dealing with unpredictable crashes - which are getting more and more annoying. Truth be told, the update to the kernel that was pushed out yesterday seems, at first blush, to have injected some amount of stability into my system. We'll see how it goes.
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I am having altogether more horrible issues with blacklisted Dell hardware (D630 - sigh, office laptop) that causes compiz to crash frequently. But Linux Mint (Ubuntu based as well) seems to be stable so far. Ive disabled compiz though On Feb 6, 2008 10:04 PM, Gautam John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 8:19 PM, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen, brother. I've been playing with Gutsy (7.10) for a while now and am dealing with unpredictable crashes - which are getting more and more annoying. Truth be told, the update to the kernel that was pushed out yesterday seems, at first blush, to have injected some amount of stability into my system. We'll see how it goes. -- Krish Ashok Blog: krishashok.wordpress.com GTalk: krishashok www.stage.fm/krishashok
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On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 08:39:54AM -0800, Brian Behlendorf wrote: Hardy knows enough about. Bluetooth /sometimes/ works, I can't find a reliable reason why it'll just not come up at boot sometimes. Then I read i have problems sometimes with bluetooth but only waking up from hibernation (which otherwise works perfectly; feisty had trouble with restarting wifi but that's ok with gutsy). i could patch the resume scripts but just run a script manually to restart bluetooth - the problem is that the kernel modules don't reload properly. cat bt_reload.sh #end /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop modprobe -r rfcomm hidp l2cap hci_usb bluetooth /etc/init.d/bluetooth start #end -rishab
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On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 08:19:14PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: Amen, brother. I've been playing with Gutsy (7.10) for a while now Ah, the same mistake I made. Let's hope LTS will iron these out. It's almost certainly the accelerated proprietary nvidia graphics drivers in my case. I'm on Gutsy too, on a Lenovo X61s; and also having to deal with the fact that suspend/resume doesn't work. Martin Pool says it now works with his X61s under HardyHeron alphas, which I'll probably try when I'm back home for awhile, but possibly not before it goes beta or live. Suspend/resume worked great on an X40 under Feisty Fawn; that X40 was stolen so I can't really tell if it was a Lenovo issue or an Ubuntu issue, but I'd be willing to bet the former changed something silly that the newer kernel in Hardy knows enough about. Bluetooth /sometimes/ works, I can't find a reliable reason why it'll just not come up at boot sometimes. Then I read that people are having similar problems under Vista, so again, I'll give Ubuntu the benefit of the doubt. Finally the wireless card is flaky - it doesn't get the same network strength that I had before on the X40/Feisty combination, and locks up so often I've got to reload the card driver and kill/restart NetworkManager to get it to work sometimes. But that's probably more my fault for getting the Atheros (rebranded Lenovo wireless lan card) rather than the Intel one. ...it goes to illustrate that the era of excitement in IT is over. Heh, that's true. What used to be kind of intriguing and fun is now just a f'in chore. But I've still got hopes for Ubuntu. I moved on from FreeBSD, at least for the desktop. Brian
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On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Rishab Ghosh wrote: i have problems sometimes with bluetooth but only waking up from hibernation (which otherwise works perfectly; feisty had trouble with restarting wifi but that's ok with gutsy). i could patch the resume scripts but just run a script manually to restart bluetooth - the problem is that the kernel modules don't reload properly. cat bt_reload.sh #end /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop modprobe -r rfcomm hidp l2cap hci_usb bluetooth /etc/init.d/bluetooth start #end Nope, that didn't restart. I suspect low-level hardware issues. On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Venkat Mangudi wrote: I have traced my suspend/hibernate problem to the Linux Swap issue. Although I have a swap partition, Gutsy refuses to turn swap on when it starts. I have to manually set swapon in GParted (swapon -a command line does not work). So I was trying it again last night after the kernel update, and resume will sometimes come back - and other times appear to come back, but without turning the LCD backlight on. That is, I can tell the LCD is drawing something on the screen - I can make out the box for entering a password at resume, and after doing so, my desktop - but it's just not lit. That's more encouraging than before, I know there's some option that mentions turning the LCD backlight on, so time to investigate that (or sleep, actually). Brian
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On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 09:32:59AM -0800, Brian Behlendorf wrote: Nope, that didn't restart. I suspect low-level hardware issues. could be. bluetooth is an area where linux has known problems and mark shuttleworth put it as a priority for ubuntu over a year ago, ubuntu's support has certainly increased dramatically since then for out-of-the-box bt. So I was trying it again last night after the kernel update, and resume will sometimes come back - and other times appear to come back, but without turning the LCD backlight on. That is, I can tell the LCD is drawing something on the screen - I can make out the box for entering a password at resume, and after doing so, my desktop - but it's just not have you tried swsuspend? yeah i know it is a hack. i found hibernation works better than suspend (in my case, perfectly) - but again, with reference to the subject line, i don't know that this is an ubuntu problem rather than a general linux problem - do other distributions do a much better job at out-of-the-box suspend/resume? not in my experience. -rishab
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I run Gutsy on a Lenovo R60. Suspend/Resume/Hibernate/Function keys/WLAN all work out of the box. I am running Gnome, but heard that hardly anything works in KDE. Bluetooth works, but am having trouble pairing it with my Nokia E61 and doing anything meaningful, such as using the phone as a BT GPRS modem. Any pointers? Bharath Biju Chacko wrote: On Feb 6, 2008 10:12 PM, Ashok Krish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having altogether more horrible issues with blacklisted Dell hardware (D630 - sigh, office laptop) that causes compiz to crash frequently. But Linux Mint (Ubuntu based as well) seems to be stable so far. Ive disabled compiz though I'm perfectly happy with Gutsy on a D630. Of course, I've never got into the habit of using suspend so that could help. -- b
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On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 02:58:24PM +0530, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: I just installed Ubuntu 7.10 on my mother's Thinkpad X60S. Apart from a bit of juggling required to install from a USB stick (no external CDROM) everything worked fine by default, and she (having been after me to help her install it for some time) is now very happy. Do you have the graphics acceleration on? X is crashing on me several times a week. Temporary freezes (up to several minutes) are also common. If the LTS due in April still has this issues, I definitely need to think about going Debian on the desktop. With KDE 4.0 I finally don't have to barf at the graphical design. Maybe ditching Gnome is next. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
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On Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 06:07:06AM +0530, shiv sastry wrote: I found Ubuntu less stable than Fedora Core whatever I was using. But that was because of a bad RAM module that got worse. Ubuntu is as stable as ever now. 7.10 (I suspect the X server) is crapping out on me about once or twice a week. If that's not fixed in next LTS I need to start looking for a new desktop distro. (Anyone is using the Sun Ultra 20 M2 for a workstation? Any positive/negative observations? I'm thinking about buying one of these once Barcelona is there, instead of rolling my own or buying from Dell (ugh). -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE
