Re: CSSpider Bite Cleanup

2003-12-14 Thread Ode Coyote
 If there's anything to be done, just leave the arm around for a day or two
and be still when momma lands.
 'Course, they won't have the 50 cent degree in surgery the store bought
ones have, but they can still probably do a good job of debriding.
 ...Chased MY wife away OK...

 Don't have any refrigerator maggots?  You know, the kind that radio
stations offer up as prizes?

Ode :-)



At 12:02 PM 12/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Can't you get them for free by just leaving some meat on your back porch for
a day or two?

Marshall

Wayne Fugitt wrote:

 Morning Tony,

 I have heard of maggots being used for this sort thing .
 Enjoy  ;}

 Yes, I have located where to buy them and the price.  About $ 100.00
 for 500 to 1000, including shipping.

 I trust I will not need them.

 Wayne

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Re: CSKmart distilled water

2003-12-14 Thread Ode Coyote
 The only time I made a batch that went yellow in several years was when I
tried Mike Monetts ultra low current setup at 14 microamps.  The batch that
ran for 20 hrs went yellow...another at 10 hours didn't.

 It could be that under certain circumstances, a low current draw could set
a pattern and ultra pure water wouldn't draw much current for a long time.

 The purest water I've found is .8 uS
 I use 4.5 uS Food Loin brand a lot with good results.
 You get the full 1 ma current draw at around 5 uS.

Ode

At 09:56 AM 12/13/2003 -0600, you wrote:

I'm using a Silverpuppy too and was having the same results u had.

I'm using .2 uS DW [two tenths] and was getting yellow CS until I mixed my 
17 uS  finished product
with about half of a bottle of DW

Two weeks and that CS remains clear and measuring 7 uS.

I still contend that starting with water at such a low uS, the AMOUNT of CS 
[finished product]
is what turns it yellow. In any case, it worked for me and I'm happy with
7 uS.

Remember the unit doesn't know how much silver is there.  It just shuts off 
at a given conductivity
and I'd bet that if u used dirtier water like 3-4 uS, u wouldn't get yellow 
CS.  I don't know I haven't tried that yet.

stuff

At 01:39 PM 12/12/2003 -0700, you wrote:
Well, what do you know, the Kmart in Rock Springs had distilled water:

American Fare
Processed by carbon filtration, reverse osmosis, distillation, UV
treatment, microfiltration, ozonation.
Source municipal supply, Fort Worth, TX
Bottled by Premium WC, inc.
Fort Worth, TX

PWT = approx .5 uS  pH 5.5(basically the same as my
home-distilled DW)

Now to see if CS made with this water stays clear or goes yellow, like
all the CS I have made lately, with the exception of two batches made
in my homemade generator.

paula






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Re: CSSpider Bite Cleanup

2003-12-14 Thread Nenah Sylver

- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: CSSpider Bite Cleanup


 ...I always burned my warts with a soldering iron, then cut them out,
 before discovering CS.  I have found that a styptic pencil can work quite well
 to stop the bleeding without creating too much additional dead tissue.

Shudder  As long as we're talking about styptic pencils and wounds, I
discovered that plain SALT can stop bleeding as well. Just place it on the wound
and let it dry.

Nenah


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CSStopping bleeding

2003-12-14 Thread marjie
What we now know as powdered sugar was used during the civil war to stop
bleeding (amputions - legs, arms, hands, gunshots etc.) and to prevent
infections.  I keep a small jar full of it when I am chopping onions etc.
and my finger gets in the way.  Works quite well - now to figure out how to
keep my fingers from interferring with the knife.  CU - Marjie

  ...I always burned my warts with a soldering iron, then cut them out,
  before discovering CS.  I have found that a styptic pencil can work
quite well
  to stop the bleeding without creating too much additional dead tissue.

 Shudder  As long as we're talking about styptic pencils and wounds, I
 discovered that plain SALT can stop bleeding as well. Just place it on the
wound
 and let it dry.

 Nenah



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Re: CSSpider Bite Cleanup

2003-12-14 Thread d.linen



Nenah Sylver wrote:

- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: CSSpider Bite Cleanup


 


...I always burned my warts with a soldering iron, then cut them out,
before discovering CS.  I have found that a styptic pencil can work quite well
to stop the bleeding without creating too much additional dead tissue.
   



Shudder  As long as we're talking about styptic pencils and wounds, I
discovered that plain SALT can stop bleeding as well. Just place it on the wound
and let it dry.

Nenah
 


Richard Schulze recommends cayenne powder that stops bleeding instantly.

DL




Re: CSStopping bleeding

2003-12-14 Thread Carol Kehoe
flour and cornstarch work as well..We used flour when our weimeraner cut an
artery in his foot and we were 60 miles from a vet.  Worked quite well.

C. Kehoe
- Original Message - 
From: marjie mar...@tds.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:29 PM
Subject: CSStopping bleeding


 What we now know as powdered sugar was used during the civil war to stop
 bleeding (amputions - legs, arms, hands, gunshots etc.) and to prevent
 infections.  I keep a small jar full of it when I am chopping onions etc.
 and my finger gets in the way.  Works quite well - now to figure out how
to
 keep my fingers from interferring with the knife.  CU - Marjie
 
   ...I always burned my warts with a soldering iron, then cut them out,
   before discovering CS.  I have found that a styptic pencil can work
 quite well
   to stop the bleeding without creating too much additional dead tissue.
 
  Shudder  As long as we're talking about styptic pencils and wounds, I
  discovered that plain SALT can stop bleeding as well. Just place it on
the
 wound
  and let it dry.
 
  Nenah



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Re: CSStopping bleeding

2003-12-14 Thread Wayne Fugitt

Hello DL,


Richard Schulze recommends cayenne powder that stops bleeding instantly.

   Often I wonder if we do not stop bleeding too quickly.

   After I soaked the spider bite, and it softened up, by pumping the calf 
muscle, I could force out
bright red blood.  Not very much, but at least this meant the fluids were 
flowing in the right direction.


   Or, at least I thought that to be true.  Could I be wrong in my thinking.

   I am not highly skilled or trained in wound treatment.

   Wayne


Re: CSStopping bleeding

2003-12-14 Thread Jason Eaton
Hi Wayne:

I believe that you are correct.  New wounds should be allowed to bleed, WITHIN 
REASON, as this is a cleansing process.

The only problem occurs when a wound will not stop, and cayenne is indeed a 
very powerful substance!

Best Regards,

Jason

  - Original Message - 
  From: Wayne Fugitt 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 12:47 PM
  Subject: Re: CSStopping bleeding


  Hello DL,


  Richard Schulze recommends cayenne powder that stops bleeding instantly. 

 Often I wonder if we do not stop bleeding too quickly.

 After I soaked the spider bite, and it softened up, by pumping the calf 
muscle, I could force out
  bright red blood.  Not very much, but at least this meant the fluids were 
flowing in the right direction.

 Or, at least I thought that to be true.  Could I be wrong in my thinking.

 I am not highly skilled or trained in wound treatment.

 Wayne



RE: CSSpider Bite Cleanup

2003-12-14 Thread Richard Harris
Hi Wayne,

Thanks for your good input into this site. You can purchase an economical
coal tar ointment by the name of Ichthammol at most drug stores and the
describing standard joke was that it was such a good drawing salve that it
would pull a nail out of a board. If I had such a problem, I'd try a  tube
and apply by covering the small area about 1 inch larger  bandage leaving
on overnight; wash area with good warm water  reapply as often as needed.
Hope this old fashioned product works for you. Check my site:
www.rharrisinc.com if asked for password, click cancel  you're in.

If I can be of help let me know.
Sincerely,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist


-Original Message-
From: Wayne Fugitt [mailto:wa...@fugitt.com]
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:11 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSSpider Bite Cleanup


Seems this thing is in the clean up stage.

Any ideas how to best get rid of the dead cells, if there be some?

The bad part is getting smaller and smaller.   A dime would cover it.

Still, many are telling me I will die from infection and I have to have
this cut out.

I refuse to believe that, at this point in time.

Am I making a mistake, or shall I leave the task to the body and what I can
do to help?

I have felt great the whole time, and the highest fever I had for one day
was .7 deg above normal.

Wayne


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RE: CSSpider Bite Cleanup

2003-12-14 Thread Richard Harris
Hi Friends,

Maggots are great in open puncture wounds like gunshot wounds or open
surgery. During WW I, before antibiotics they were the method of choice to
clean up the dead tissue in a large wound. As the maggots ate the dead flesh
and moved to new areas, it was noticed that they exuded a clear substance
which healed where they had been. This substance was analyzed and the first
antibiotic was discovered: Allantoin! Allantoin is found in Comfrey, an
available herb. I think I'd find a comfrey plant, crush the leaves and apply
to your spider bite and surrounding area. Might just be the ticket.

Sincerely,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 11:57 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSpider Bite Cleanup


Actually maggots work wonderfully for this type of thing. They will consume
all the dead tissue and not touch living tissue at all.   Be sure they are
clean so you don't introduce an infection, but don't try to sterlize them,
they need to be alive. I would say rinsing with colloidal silver would be
just the ticket.

Marshall

Tony Moody wrote:

 Wayne,

 I have heard of maggots being used for this sort thing .
 Enjoy  ;}
 Tony

 On 12 Dec 2003 at 14:11, Wayne Fugitt wrote:

  Seems this thing is in the clean up stage.
 
  Any ideas how to best get rid of the dead cells, if there be some?
 
  The bad part is getting smaller and smaller.   A dime would cover it.
 
  Still, many are telling me I will die from infection and I have to
  have this cut out.
 
  I refuse to believe that, at this point in time.
 
  Am I making a mistake, or shall I leave the task to the body and what
  I can do to help?
 
  I have felt great the whole time, and the highest fever I had for one
  day was .7 deg above normal.
 
  Wayne
 
 
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CSCS; RE Nose spray recipe

2003-12-14 Thread Harold MacDonald
My mix is: approx 50 ml of CS mixed with about 500 mgs of MSM,500 mgs of
Xylitol crystals and 30 drops of 3% food grade hydrogen Peroxide.These
amounts are not chiseled in stone but approximate.
Hope this helps,
Harold


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RE: CSFw: Spider bite?

2003-12-14 Thread Richard Harris
Hi Rails,
Yes, please share your tried  true recipe.
Many thanks,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist
  -Original Message-
  From: Rails02 (tyj) [mailto:rail...@hotmail.com]
  Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 8:01 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CSFw: Spider bite?


  Was this a brown recluse?  I have a friend that has old remedy that is
tried and true.  If any want that recipe email me?
  Rails


RE: CSSage for memory

2003-12-14 Thread Richard Harris
Hi Jack,
Call 1-800-645-1030 Puritan's Pride. They have a special on Sage Leaf
Capsules #100 3 for 11.94 + shipping.
I have NO financial interest in this info.
Best regards,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

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From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 7:12 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSage for memory


John Draper   12/13/03 8:42 AM  Wrote:

 SAGE CAN
 IMPROVE YOUR MEMORY.
***
Hi John,

I found that very interesting,
but more than 1 1half hours of
web browsing failed to reveal a
source for the capsules ? ? ? ?

Jack

Be Nice






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RE: CSwalgreens distilled failed

2003-12-14 Thread Richard Harris
Hi Jack,
Yes, but you didn't spell out all the Good specifics that are essential to
have Good Steam distilled water.
Thanks as usual, Jack.
Best regards,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

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From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 8:58 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSwalgreens distilled failed


Richard Harris   12/13/03 4:39 PM  Wrote:

 Please check and make sure you have: Walgreens Sodium-Free, Steam
Distilled,
 Ozonated, Micro-filtered water--they also have Walgreen's Drinking Water
and
 the labels look almost identical so you MUST be sure you're getting the
 correct one
***
Hi Richard,

you obviously didn't read my post that prompted
William Meyer's response.

Jack

Be Nice


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CSSpider Bite Site, possibly the best......

2003-12-14 Thread Wayne Fugitt
This appears to be the best site I have found.   It has stories, 
pictures,  and treatments.


A number of references to research papers dated in the 80's and 90's are 
available from

Oklahoma State Medical Association.

These are listed at the bottom of the menu item,
TREATMENT INFORMATION FOR MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS

It is stated that these are only available to doctors, and they may charge 
a fee.

Somehow, I plan to get copies of all these papers.

Wayne
==  Note his mindset in the middle paragraph ==

Welcome to the web site of Stan Abrams, M.D. The purpose of this site is to 
provide you with hard-to-find information in two areas:


Many people are sensitive to the bite of the Brown Recluse Spider, and 
endure needless suffering including amputation or death due to lack of good 
information readily available to medical personnel. The Treatment of Brown 
Recluse Spider Bites section provides details of a simple first aid 
treatment of venomous bites that is usually all the treatment needed to 
resolve the problem.


The Health through Nutrition section provides an explanation of the Health 
Model, through proper nutrition, and the Disease Model, which only treats 
symptoms. Also included are descriptions of AIM nutritional supplements.


http://www.sabramsmd.com/

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CSXylitol

2003-12-14 Thread marjie
http://www.beyond-a-century.com/

XYLITOL. Non-insulin producing sugar-alcohol looks and tastes like sucrose but 
a bit sweeter and cooler in the mouth. Found in many fruits  vegetables, it 
is produced from birch wood or corn cobs. Has anabolic, anticatabolic and 
immune stimulating effects, and fights fatigue from strenuous aerobic and 
anaerobic activities with its antioxidant and ATP increasing properties. 
Studies show it inhibits bacteria that cause dental caries, plaque, mouth sores 
 ear infections by coating the bacteria so that they are less likely to adhere 
to cells. Children taking 8g/day had 40% fewer ear infections. A 5% solution in 
saline is sold as a nasal spray. Use with green tea for a mouthwash you can 
drink. Builds stronger bones and tooth enamel. With only 2.4 Calories per gram 
(40% fewer than sugar) and a glycemic index of 7, it maintains a steady low 
level of blood sugar and insulin. Our best sweetener! 1 lb., $6.00. Code 707.5


Re: CSStopping bleeding

2003-12-14 Thread Wwench9
List,

It's said, though I have no personal experience with it, that cayenne will stop 
bleeding, as will yarrow leaves packed into a wound in the woods

Jules


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CSFreundlich on Colloids

2003-12-14 Thread Matthew McCann PE
Hi, Members of the List!

I was researching the salt titration
method of assaying noble metal
colloids as expounded by Herbert
Max Findlay Freundlich, the
physical chemist at Kaiser Wilhelm
Institute in 1922. I discovered that
this renowned account of pre-1938
colloidal technology is very rare now,
but Cornell University has fortunately
saved it from oblivion by scanning it
and putting it on-line as part of its
Mann Library CHLA preservation
project. It is over 850 pages long.

I will post hyperlinks to the table of
contents of Freundlich's classic
(to follow.)

Best regards,

Matthew

CSFreundlich on Colloids

2003-12-14 Thread Matthew McCann PE

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CSFreundlich on Colloids

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CSFreundlich on Colloids

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CSFreundlich on Colloids

2003-12-14 Thread Matthew McCann PE

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CSFreundlich on Colloids

2003-12-14 Thread Matthew McCann PE

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CSFreundlich on Colloids

2003-12-14 Thread Matthew McCann PE

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CSFreundlich on Colloids

2003-12-14 Thread Matthew McCann PE

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CSFreundlich on Colloids

2003-12-14 Thread Matthew McCann PE

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CSNose Spray Recipe

2003-12-14 Thread Alvin Rose

Can anyone point me to where I can
find that nose spray recipe..Your help is
appreciated
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CSFreundlich on Colloids

2003-12-14 Thread Matthew McCann PE

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CSFw: Searle on Colloids in Health

2003-12-14 Thread Matthew McCann PE
Hi again, List members,

Borderlands Science Research
Foundation has recently
re-printed the 1919 classic of
Albert B. Searle on colloids.
I include the link.

Matthew
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RE: CSFreundlich on Colloids

2003-12-14 Thread James Holmes
Thank you Matthew.  A service indeed. 
 
JOH

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Subject: CSFreundlich on Colloids


Hi, Members of the List!
 
I was researching the salt titration
method of assaying noble metal
colloids as expounded by Herbert
Max Findlay Freundlich, the
physical chemist at Kaiser Wilhelm
Institute in 1922. I discovered that
this renowned account of pre-1938
colloidal technology is very rare now,
but Cornell University has fortunately
saved it from oblivion by scanning it
and putting it on-line as part of its
Mann Library CHLA preservation
project. It is over 850 pages long.
 
I will post hyperlinks to the table of
contents of Freundlich's classic
(to follow.)
 
Best regards,
 
Matthew



Re: CSCS; RE Nose spray recipe

2003-12-14 Thread Alvin Rose

Hi Harold
thanks for the recipe..What are the xylitol crystals are they
easily available?
A.R

Harold MacDonald wrote:


My mix is: approx 50 ml of CS mixed with about 500 mgs of MSM,500 mgs of
Xylitol crystals and 30 drops of 3% food grade hydrogen Peroxide.These
amounts are not chiseled in stone but approximate.
Hope this helps,
Harold


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