date:20100223

I meant type 2   dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 18:51, Dan Nave wrote:

 Type 11 diabetes!  That's bad
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:
 I have a friend like this Rowena, but she will not listen to me.  She has 
 type 11 diabetes and is on BP meds Metformin and something else, also 
 statins and pain killers for her neuropathy, but still she keeps swigging 
 diet Coke!  dee
 
 On 21 Feb 2010, at 10:39, Rowena wrote:
 


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Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

I've given up with her Marshall - she thinks if they are 'allowed' to sell it 
then it must be allright!  dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 19:48, Marshall Dudley wrote:

 Get her to at least switch to the diet coke with splenda. It isn't good, but 
 at least it is not as deadly as their main diet coke.
 
 Marshall
 
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Re: CSHair Loss - link here

I think the emails have gotten a bit mixed up here carol, but I'm so glad she 
is so much better!  dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 20:49, carolG wrote:

 Awesome Dee.
 
 Dog doing fabulous!!!  Still scratching a little bit but nothing like 
 before..her hair is coming nicely...not seeing hardly any raw red skin
 
 Carol
 


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Re: CSmachine question

Most on this group prefer the EIS (electronically isolated silver) commonly 
known as colloidal silver (CS)  ours is a mixture of both and consists of 
mainly ionic with some colloidal.  I have a SilverPuppy which I love--this 
makes clear EIS and is cheap and easy to use.  You can use it manually or 
automatically and it has a facility whereby you can switch polarity to limit 
build up on the electrodes.  This I find an excellent feature.  You literally 
just pour in your distilled water into your jar - put the generator on the top 
and just leave it and it turns itself off when done.  couldn't be easier.  For 
larger amounts, there is the SilverGen which is a bit more expensive I believe, 
but does larger amounts. dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 21:18, william heene wrote:

 Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at this 
 point I am confused about which is more effective,  ionic or particle.  I 
 can't seem to find an answer!  One site they say ionic and other site it is 
 particle.  I assume you people are very experienced in CS producion and it's 
 uses and looking for some input about the topic.
 Thanks Bob
  
  
 
 


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Re: CSVit C and iodine shelf life

Yes I did Google it but quite frankly, I didn't understand the differences.  Do 
you know about nascent iodine, which is the one I have?  I used to have Iodoral 
but found it too expensive.  dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 21:21, Craig Chamberlin wrote:

 Hi Dee,
 
 Did you google SSKI?
 
 SSKI is a saturated solution of potassium iodide KI...hence it being 
 labeled SS (saturated solution) KI. There is potassium iodide (which is a 
 salt) and iodine (which is a halogen).  They are different and different 
 parts of the body need KI (such as the thyroid) and others need I (such as 
 breasts).
 
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Re: CSweird!

Cool!  Thanks Mike for the info--I do like to know *why* things happen when 
they happen lol  dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 16:55, M. G. Devour wrote:

 Dear Dee,
 
 I got a strange email from Medwith J Robert with something about
 caveats, which started doing a 'loading' thingy so I deleted it.  Has
 anyone else had this?  dee
 
 As you saw looking at Robert's e-mail address, he's posting from a 
 military/government system. The small attachment you received was an 
 encryption key that system uses to confirm to other users of the system 
 that he's who he says he is.
 
 Apparently your e-mail setup is configured to scarf such a signature 
 and add it to your local keyring automatically. There ought not to be 
 any harm in that, other than a little lost disk space. 
 
 And just think! You'll be able to send Bob an encrypted e-mail any time 
 you want to! What a neat feature, huh?
 
 In any case, with the help of another member, I am working on revisions 
 to the list setup that will eliminate any such incidents in the future 
 as well as improve several other things that are lacking at present.
 
 I won't predict the delivery date, however! GRIN
 
 Peace,
 
 Mike D.
 


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Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.

Well, it's still being sold here in the UK Mike.  dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 16:57, M. G. Devour wrote:

 John, David, Ken, and others...
 
 
 So, is it true that CS is actually BANNED, and no longer being sold in 
 Europe, or is it only that some labelling requirements have been 
 changed?
 
 Answer that, please?
 
 Be well,
 
 Mike D.
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Re: CSConfusion Making CS

Calm down Neville--you'll do yourself a mischief lol!  dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 22:47, Neville Munn wrote:

 Excuse my butting in but the only way to *determine* anything with your EIS 
 is laboratory analysis.  If you've got a pocket full of money and are willing 
 to get *several* samples analysed, go for it, but if not, then don't worry 
 about it, just keep using that meter.
  
 Jeez, if I didn't know better I'd be thinking someone's trying to put the 
 frighteners up people again, only this time it's about meters.
  


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Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED

Actually I've used that with DMSO on hubby and it worked really well!  dee

On 23 Feb 2010, at 00:27, Christina Mattson wrote:

 Hi all, I hope this isn't rude but My Red LED unit came with a handy 
 Acupressure book which also explains about the technology of the LED for 
 healing. Normal healthy cells omit wavelengths between 600 and 725 
 Nanometers. When tissue is damaged the cells energy slows down. The idea is 
 that this type of light increases the vibration of the cells to 660. The 
 tissue underneath the skin changes the light energy to electrical energy; 
 then the nerves carry it to the brain which releases neurotransmitters and 
 certain hormones that turn on the healing process. This is according to my 
 book so don't blame me if its wrong.
 One benefit of LED VS Laser is that Red LED will not harm the eyes when used 
 around that area. That's what my book says and i use it all around my eyes 
 for vision treatments and wrinkles with no problems. I bought a strand of 
 tiny Red LED Mini Christmas lights that are battery operated with three 
 regular C batteries. I clustered eight lights together and use it works just 
 as good as my Photonic Torch which has eight mini LEDs housed in a metal 
 flashlight device mounted behind a glass dome. The neat thing about a strand 
 of lights is you can tape it to yourself and walk around the house doing 
 chores LOL. I've been trying to think of ways to combine it with CS for 
 treatments on myself and would love any ideas.
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Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.

Well done David, top marks for observation!  dee

On 23 Feb 2010, at 00:39, Alchemysa wrote:

 Hello Mike
 
 You asked...
 
 So, is it true that CS is actually BANNED, and no longer being sold in
 Europe, or is it only that some labelling requirements have been
 changed?
 
 Answer that, please?
 
 
 Barwicks own colloidalsilversecrets blog answers that question in the same 
 article in which he claims that CS is banned. This is Barwicks interview with 
 someone called Sultan who Barwick claims is a major Europeon CS 
 guru/retailer
 
 (Quote.)
 
 BARWICK: So re-labeling your product as a “water disinfectant” is basically 
 a loophole that allows you to continue selling colloidal silver legally, as 
 long as you don’t tell people how to use it for food supplement purposes?
 
 SULTAN: Yes. That’s right. Most health food stores in Sweden already sell 
 products used for water purification and have no problem with continuing to 
 carry our colloidal silver product, called Ionosil, now that we’ve 
 reclassified it as a water disinfectant.  In reality, the product is 
 identical to what we had registered as a food supplement for the past nine 
 years. It is only the label that has changed EVER SO SLIGHTLY (my emphasis)
 


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Re: CSHair Loss - link here; joined aboutclay.com discussion group link

2010-02-23 Thread carolG

So excited to join aboutclay.com yahoo group.  Click link below and hit 
discussion.  

Much easier to manage there for sure.  
Here are a few more stories on hair growth with bentonite 
http://www.aboutclay.com/testimonials.htm#Hair%20Care

Hoping we get this group over to yahoo as well.  Please..




From: scl...@cox.net scl...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 8:25:04 PM
Subject: Re: CSHair Loss - link here

Here are a few more stories on hair growth with bentonite 
http://www.aboutclay.com/testimonials.htm#Hair%20Care

Steve
 Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: 

=
It doesn't say what sort of clay and *how* you wash your hair with it!  Is it 
bentonite, do you think?  dee

On 21 Feb 2010, at 20:56, scl...@cox.net wrote:

 I'm posting a link to curezone for a hair growth recipe that seemed to work 
 for my wife. 
 
 http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1573169#i
 
 Steve
  carolG cgiam...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 
 =
 http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/
 See below.
 
 carol

RE: CSConfusion Making CS

LOL...Yeah, I think I got up too early this morning, good thing I didn't get my 
hand slapped I spose from...'You Know Who'. g

N.

 Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS
 From: d...@deetroy.org
 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:18:32 +
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com

 Calm down Neville--you'll do yourself a mischief lol! dee

 On 22 Feb 2010, at 22:47, Neville Munn wrote:

  Excuse my butting in but the only way to *determine* anything with your EIS 
  is laboratory analysis. If you've got a pocket full of money and are 
  willing to get *several* samples analysed, go for it, but if not, then 
  don't worry about it, just keep using that meter.

  Jeez, if I didn't know better I'd be thinking someone's trying to put the 
  frighteners up people again, only this time it's about meters.

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Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED

2010-02-23 Thread Frank

Hi list,
I read ...
normal healthy cells OMIT wavelengths between is this statement OK?
Frank ND

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Subject: Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED

Actually I've used that with DMSO on hubby and it worked really well!  dee

On 23 Feb 2010, at 00:27, Christina Mattson wrote:

Hi all, I hope this isn't rude but My Red LED unit came with a handy 
Acupressure book which also explains about the technology of the LED for 
healing. Normal healthy cells omit wavelengths between 600 and 725 
Nanometers. When tissue is damaged the cells energy slows down. The idea 
is that this type of light increases the vibration of the cells to 660. 
The tissue underneath the skin changes the light energy to electrical 
energy; then the nerves carry it to the brain which releases 
neurotransmitters and certain hormones that turn on the healing process. 
This is according to my book so don't blame me if its wrong.
One benefit of LED VS Laser is that Red LED will not harm the eyes when 
used around that area. That's what my book says and i use it all around 
my eyes for vision treatments and wrinkles with no problems. I bought a 
strand of tiny Red LED Mini Christmas lights that are battery operated 
with three regular C batteries. I clustered eight lights together and use 
it works just as good as my Photonic Torch which has eight mini LEDs 
housed in a metal flashlight device mounted behind a glass dome. The neat 
thing about a strand of lights is you can tape it to yourself and walk 
around the house doing chores LOL. I've been trying to think of ways to 
combine it with CS for treatments on myself and would love any ideas.

Tina

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RE: CSBarwick's BS about CS.


If I can digress for a moment John.
 
[...most don't have evidence of anything other than what they've read.]
-Seeing as you mentioned this, have you got any evidence concerning colour 
change in people thru the use of EIS? other than maybe what you've read, or 
heard praps.  I believe I asked earlier if you had any personal experience with 
this but you may have missed it.  If you have had personal experience, I'd 
appreciate hearing about it, otherwise you're gunna be my 'hat trick'...I've 
already had to strike two others off my list...you could very well be my 
'strike three and out!'

N.
 






Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:56:49 -0500
Subject: Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.
From: jonellis.steven...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Mike:

I'm sick of listening to third grade attacks by jerks on friends and I will 
defend them.  I don't care what anyone else says on the list - they're mostly 
just chit-chatters and most don't have evidence of anything other than what 
they've read.  brooks has good info - real info.  I belong to a lot of health 
lists and this one is really not monitored well - or Dave's crap about Steve 
would've never gotten through - never on another list.  You people want to 
bring on the name calling games, I'm right there to defend my friends and I'll 
lay it out as cold and as cruel as comes my way.  If you want to be adults - 
try it - it works nicely.  Community - we - what a joke!  
If you don't understand, Mike, what I've said about the evolution of the EU 
moving to ban CS, then you're not as smart as you think you are.  I've been 
very clear about it.  And so has Steve.  And the movement through the EPA is 
hitting our shores, too.

John




On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:57 AM, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote:

John, David, Ken, and others...

 Here we go with the repetitious, inane, 3rd grade name-calling, again.
 It's no wonder the 'smart people' no longer have anything to say on
 silverlist - the wonderful we-we community.

John, would you kindly stop making this all so damned personal -- and
juvenile? Thank you for calling every person who posts to the list
stupid! I am very sorry David is not feeling kindly toward your friend.

He is reporting first-hand the difficulties this uproar is causing him
in his efforts to *promote* colloidal silver use. You may NOT object to
him doing so here.

Understood?

David and Ken, and anyone else who chooses to comment on this issue:
Kindly refrain from using personally perjorative descriptors of the
person of Steve Barwick, so we may all be spared John getting his
knickers in a twist because you're being MEAN to him.

Understood?

The essential issue is this:

Is CS really banned in Europe, or are vendors simply changing their
labelling to comply with new regulations and continuing to sell their
products?

If the latter, then Dave's point is perfectly valid, even if packaged
in an unkindly sentiment.

So, which is true, John?

 As carefully explained here before, Europe is moving in an evolutionary
 way, like the progressives in the U.S., to ban silver water. As is the
 EPA, John McCain and a number of others.

That is undoubtedly true, in terms of the agenda and the incremental
approach that is being attempted. I don't think anyone here is blind to
what the powers that be *want* to do.

The dispute is over the LOUD assertion that:

COLLOIDAL SILVER IS BANNED IN EUROPE!

... which some say is not actually true at the present time.

Is silver still being sold in Europe, or not? That's the question you
need to answer for us, John, if you want to be believed.

 You don't fight this battle by sticking your head in the sand...

To object to exaggerations is not the same as denying there is a
movement to ban silver... along with just about anything else that
might be useful.

You might also say that it hurts the credibility of the alternative
health community to loudly proclaim things that are not true, or that
sowing fear and panic in potential users is unwise.

So, is it true that CS is actually BANNED, and no longer being sold in
Europe, or is it only that some labelling requirements have been
changed?

Answer that, please?

Be well,

Mike D.
list referee...


On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au
wrote:
 Even though its untrue, I've had half a dozen people say to me that 
 CS has been banned in Europe. Gee, it must be dangerous if its been
 banned and Hey, Google is full of references that say CS is banned 
 in Europe.

 Steve Barwick (aka Spencer Jones) is an idiot. All he has done is get
 more people thinking that perhaps it SHOULD be banned.


 David

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: Ole Bob and HVAC, was Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-23 Thread Richard Goodwin

I use high voltage DC, not AC.  And only to kick start the process.  I very 
quickly reduce the voltage as the silver ions start building up, to limit the 
current.

Dick



- Original Message 
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 8:49:31 PM
Subject: Ole Bob and HVAC, was Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver  deposit?

At 06:05 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote:
 Hello Dick,
 
 It seems that this is an area that has been looked at before and there are
 some theories on the quality of EIS produced at high voltages.
 Unfortunately, extensive testing is cost prohibitive, so you will just have
 to go with the theory.
I think I recall that ole Bob spent quite a bit of time experimenting with 
HVAC, and eventually stopped. Now that there are archives again, there may be 
some info there.
Anybody else remember this, or am I confused again?
sol 

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Re: CS Use of copper---

I thought 'liver/age' spots were caused by lack of selenium and sun damage?  dee

On 23 Feb 2010, at 04:20, Renee wrote:

 Well dang--I've got grey hair--symptom of not enough copper, and a couple 
 liver spots on my right hand, a symptom of too much copper.  What's a lady to 
 do??  ;-)
  
 Samala,
 Renee
  
 ---Original Message---
  
 I did read elsewhere an email claiming that liver spots (those dark
 age spots on hands, etc) can  indicate excess copper. And I have to
 say mine have faded a rather tremendous amount since I began a
 program of supplements to reduce copper. (I had taken copper for
 years without taking any zinc).
  


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Re: CSTroll

Hopefully, Tony!  dee

On 23 Feb 2010, at 11:03, Tony Moody wrote:

 Its a long time since we last had a troll. Seems we have forgotten how to 
 deal with it. 
 
 Ignore it. 
 
 It will get bored and disappear.
 
 OK,
 Tony
 
 
 


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Re: CS Use of copper---

2010-02-23 Thread Tad Winiecki

You might consider adaptogens like Fo Ti (Ho Shu Wu) which can 
supposedly turn hair back to natural color, or retard getting grey. 


Nancy

On 23 Feb 2010, at 04:20, Renee wrote:

  

Well dang--I've got grey hair--symptom of not enough copper, and a couple liver 
spots on my right hand, a symptom of too much copper.  What's a lady to do??  
;-)
 
Samala,

Renee




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Re: CS Use of copper---

Nah, liver and age spots are due to--liver toxicity.  I was just writing
that about copper because the previous post said it was due to too much
copper, and I'd posted that I heard that traveling doctor say grey hair was
due to not enough copper.  And since I had both--grey hair and liver
spots--where did that leave me?  Too much or too little?  Lol  

But seriously, when a person does a good liver cleanse, and does it long
enough, the spots go away.  It's one method of physically seeing that your
liver needs help--so I need to get my but into gear and go on an internal
cleanse.  Because if the liver is showing it needs help, then you can bet
the kidneys do too.  

Start with a colon cleanse, because that needs to be working correctly so as
to be able to eliminate the toxins the liver and kidney cleanses dump into
the blood.  If you aren't going to the bathroom regularly, the toxins can't
get out and they get reabsorbed into the system--which is why you'll hear
people say they get headaches or nausea on organ cleanses.  They aren't
getting those toxins out and the body is trying to deal with them.

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
I thought 'liver/age' spots were caused by lack of selenium and sun damage? 
dee

CSConfusion Making CS

2010-02-23 Thread brf

Resending:



 I don't consider you butting in at all Neville. I really do appreciate
 you taking the time to give me your thoughts and direction because
 everything I've learned so far has been from dozens of hours or
 researching dozens of sites and trying to piece it all together. So I'm
 feeling a little insecure that I've pieced the whole puzzle together
 correctly.

 I'll clean those probes more regularly for sure!

 Thanks again and take care.




 
 From: Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 5:47:21 PM
 Subject: RE: CSConfusion Making CS

 Excuse my butting in but the only way to *determine* anything with your
 EIS is laboratory analysis.  If you've got a pocket full of money and
 are willing to get *several* samples analysed, go for it, but if not,
 then don't worry about it, just keep using that meter.   Jeez, if I
 didn't know better I'd be thinking someone's trying to put the
 frighteners up people again, only this time it's about meters.   Meters
 are NOT accurate, only laboratory analysis will result in any degree of
 accuracy, but meters are the best to be had for the home producer,
 regardless of their inaccuracies.  uS readings are multiplied by
 whatever figure you find in the public domain, pick one, there's plenty
 to choose from out there.  As with most things EIS related, there
 doesn't even seem to be a consensus on THAT!  If it's a ppm meter, then
 just double that reading, how *accurate* does one want to be in the
 backyard?  Unless of course this place is exclusive to scientific types?
    I used 3 meters for quite some time to compare each of em!  And I did
 that so I know I can separate myth from fact when marketers go on about
 what meter to buy and what not to buy.  And don't believe a *particular*
 marketed meter will read EIS to the 'ppm', cos from my experience...and
 laboratory analysis of several samples...they don't!   Just keep using
 that meter and aim for repeatable results, and recheck your solutions
 each day for several days taking note of what goes on over time, and if
 you find mud or gravel in the bottom of those storage containers...then
 you're gunna have to reassess what your doing.  And clean those probes
 on that meter after every time you use it.   Jeez, I think I must've got
 outa the wrong side of the bed this morning! g   N.  


 


 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 06:01:20 -0800
 From: brfifi...@rogers.com

 So what is the best way of attempting to measure the silver you're
 producing then? Or is there?

Re: CSmachine question


william heene wrote:
Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at 
this point I am confused about which is more effective,  ionic or 
particle.


For what?  The ionic part is best for some things, such as burns, and 
the particulate is better for others such as killing certain germs. But 
virtually all machines produce approximately 90% ionic and 10% 
particulate, so why worry about it anyway. If you want more particulate 
and less ionic, simply add a little H2O2 after brewing.


Marshall
 I can't seem to find an answer!  One site they say ionic and 
other site it is particle.  I assume you people are very experienced 
in CS producion and it's uses and looking for some input about the topic.

Thanks Bob
 
 



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From: carolG cgiam...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSHair Loss - link here
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:49 PM

Awesome Dee.

Dog doing fabulous!!!  Still scratching a little bit but nothing
like before..her hair is coming nicely...not seeing hardly any raw
red skin

Carol


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*Cc:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
*Sent:* Mon, February 22, 2010 1:01:12 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSHair Loss - link here

We used bentonite and it seemed to work well. You prepare the clay
mixture with ACV and then wet your hair and then apply the clay
mixture.
 Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
http://us.mc621.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=...@deetroy.org
wrote:

=
It doesn't say what sort of clay and *how* you wash your hair with
it!  Is it bentonite, do you think?  dee

On 21 Feb 2010, at 20:56, scl...@cox.net
http://us.mc621.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scl...@cox.net wrote:

 I'm posting a link to curezone for a hair growth recipe that
seemed to work for my wife.

 http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1573169#i

 Steve
  carolG cgiam...@yahoo.com
http://us.mc621.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cgiam...@yahoo.com
wrote:

 =
 http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/
 See below.

 carol





 
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 Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 10:04:09 AM
 Subject: CSHair Loss

 Okay, so I found this website while researching DHT and what
causes elevated levels and the connection with Iodine and the
thyroid.  The second page talks about the thyroid hormones and
Insulin resistance and T4 and how it's all related. :)  Very
interesting and informative read with research and reference
links. And although it talk about men mostly, I'm sure that
elevated levels of DHT in women can cause hair loss as well,
especially as those who have thyroid problems usually have an
upset in the hormone balances in the HPA axis.

 http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/

 Annie
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Re: CSConfusion Making CS

Sorry, I was having some fun with the words.  Actually silver carbonate 
is highly soluble, and thus will really look like pure water, but will 
of course be a compound which is more likely to cause argyria.


Marshall

Deborah Gerard wrote:


Hi Marshall...what does bubble trouble carbonate rubble look like?
thanks Deb

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*Subject:* Re: CSConfusion Making CS

Also note that a bubbler increases the production of silver carbonate, 
and if you bubble furiously you can get bubble trouble carbonate rubble.


Marshall

sol wrote:
 At 01:14 PM 2/20/2010, you wrote:
 I should have clarified in the last message that I didn't use a 
bubbler with any of these experiments last night.

 Thanks Debbie

 But you ARE using distilled water? Nothing added?
 When I used an aquarium bubbler with my homemade set up, I found it 
important to have the bubbles coming out very slowly, one at a time, 
and also to have it set so the bubbles rose as closely as possible 
right between the electrodes.

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Re: CSDiabetes Question

2010-02-23 Thread Karen and Jerry Conrad


Dear Jonathan
Thank you. I will look further into this. Blessings Karen Conrad
- Original Message - 
From: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: CSDiabetes Question


I once read that MDs using adult stem cell therapy have cured diabetes, 
restoring the pancreas to normal condition.  The cells came from the 
patient's nostrils.I have not read follow-up on this report and 
can't vouch for its accuracy.




On Sunday, Feb 21, 2010, at 04:22 Asia/Tokyo, Karen and Jerry Conrad 
wrote:


unfortunately my son has had type I diabetes for 15 years, hopefully 
this info can and will help someone else, Blessings Karen Conrad



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Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.


John E. Stevens wrote:

Mike:

I'm sick of listening to third grade attacks by jerks on friends and I 
will defend them.  I don't care what anyone else says on the list - 
they're mostly just chit-chatters and most don't have evidence of 
anything other than what they've read.  
That is not true. There are a number of researchers here who run the 
experiments to find out what we want to know.  In fact I hardly say 
anything which is strictly from what I have read, virtually all my 
information comes from real scientific research that I and other here do 
ourselves with a broad knowledge of chemistry and physics. In fact I own 
a $4,000 spectrometer so I can analyze CS and even accurately determine 
the absolute concentration of silver in the mix.


Marshall


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Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.


Have her look at dorway.com

Even the FDA has a list of problems it can cause, including death if I 
remember right.


Marshall

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

I've given up with her Marshall - she thinks if they are 'allowed' to sell it 
then it must be allright!  dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 19:48, Marshall Dudley wrote:

  

Get her to at least switch to the diet coke with splenda. It isn't good, but at 
least it is not as deadly as their main diet coke.

Marshall

Dan Nave wrote:




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Re: Ole Bob and HVAC, was Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

I produced HVAC CS for about 6 years before switching to LVDC.  With my 
setup I was unable to exceed more than about 7 to 8 ppm before the 
particles stated becoming objectionably large, and even at 5 it produced 
a yellow instead of a clear EIS.  It was a real hassle, requiring a 1 
1/2 ton cooling unit to keep the EIS cool enough to prevent even larger 
particles.


Marshall

Richard Goodwin wrote:

I use high voltage DC, not AC.  And only to kick start the process.  I very
 quickly reduce the voltage as the silver ions start building up, to limit
 the current.

Dick



- Original Message 
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 8:49:31 PM
Subject: Ole Bob and HVAC, was Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver 
 deposit?


At 06:05 PM 2/21/2010, you wrote:
  

Hello Dick,

It seems that this is an area that has been looked at before and there are
some theories on the quality of EIS produced at high voltages.
Unfortunately, extensive testing is cost prohibitive, so you will just


 have
  

to go with the theory.


I think I recall that ole Bob spent quite a bit of time experimenting with
 HVAC, and eventually stopped. Now that there are archives again, there may be
 some info there.
Anybody else remember this, or am I confused again?
sol 


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Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED - emit

2010-02-23 Thread Rowena


I would think it is a typo for emit.
R

On 23/02/2010 11:37 PM, Frank wrote:

Hi list,
I read ...
normal healthy cells OMIT wavelengths between is this statement 
OK?

Frank ND

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Actually I've used that with DMSO on hubby and it worked really 
well!  dee


On 23 Feb 2010, at 00:27, Christina Mattson wrote:

Hi all, I hope this isn't rude but My Red LED unit came with a handy 
Acupressure book which also explains about the technology of the LED 
for healing. Normal healthy cells omit wavelengths between 600 and 
725 Nanometers. When tissue is damaged the cells energy slows down. 
The idea is that this type of light increases the vibration of the 
cells to 660. The tissue underneath the skin changes the light 
energy to electrical energy; then the nerves carry it to the brain 
which releases neurotransmitters and certain hormones that turn on 
the healing process. This is according to my book so don't blame me 
if its wrong.
One benefit of LED VS Laser is that Red LED will not harm the eyes 
when used around that area. That's what my book says and i use it 
all around my eyes for vision treatments and wrinkles with no 
problems. I bought a strand of tiny Red LED Mini Christmas lights 
that are battery operated with three regular C batteries. I 
clustered eight lights together and use it works just as good as my 
Photonic Torch which has eight mini LEDs housed in a metal 
flashlight device mounted behind a glass dome. The neat thing about 
a strand of lights is you can tape it to yourself and walk around 
the house doing chores LOL. I've been trying to think of ways to 
combine it with CS for treatments on myself and would love any ideas.

Tina





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Re: CS Use of copper---

I've heard about that herb before.  I wonder if it's true.  Just one more
thing to experiment with.  Sigh

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
 
You might consider adaptogens like Fo Ti (Ho Shu Wu) which can
supposedly turn hair back to natural color, or retard getting grey.

Re: CSmachine question




  NO CS generator using electricity and water does anything BUT produce Ions.

Ions only come in one size.. WAY small. One atom minus one electron.  Any 
smaller and the Silver would no longer be Silver.


 Particles come later depending on conditions in the brew container 
and  how fast ions are emitted over what electrode surface area to avoid 
over concentration of the waters solubility limits in localized zones to 
include, especially, the Nernst Diffusion layer at the electrode surface.
..controlled by an appropriate current density of  [generally accepted] 1 
milliamp per square [useful] inch of electrode area,  or less.
The voltage only matters to the extent that it limits the current...and in 
some cases such as AC output, the velocity of the Ions setting an 
adequately phased frequency to prevent Ions from just getting sucked back 
onto an electrode when the polarity changes.


The shape of the electrode has much to do with how much of it is useful.
 Repeatable parallel placement of electrodes is very important for even 
current distribution and even Ion discharge.
 Bending electrode tips slightly away from each other will prevent tip 
discharge concentration..can't do a whole lot with edges and stay flat.


Timers cannot work to predict anything unless you know where you started 
and how fast you are going at all times.

 Small differences in water make huge differences in time.
No two jugs of water are the same except by sheer accident.
Even the SAME jug of water changes.

Only a Micro Particle will stay in the water, the term and claim is 
meaningless in the context ofif it stays in the water, it is a Micro 
Particle and if it drops out, it's no longer *in the water* and doesn't 
matter.
 Particles come out in a range of sizes from too small to be visible in 
visible light frequencies, to... fell out of suspension. There is no one 
size to claim. [Just as there are no more than one size of Ion]
Particulate content is mostly Silver Hydroxide, some Silver Oxide in 
varying ratios and a little bit of metallic Silver.  The ratios can be 
tweeked some to favor one over the other and more or less by altering 
temperature, current density and frequency, but the water is the dominant 
factor...and is never the same.
Ions cannot exist without the water, so sizing particles made out of ions 
by drying them, using an electron microscope that can only be used on dry 
samples, is total BS.


Ode



At 01:18 PM 2/22/2010 -0800, you wrote:
Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at this 
point I am confused about which is more effective,  ionic or particle.  I 
can't seem to find an answer!  One site they say ionic and other site it 
is particle.  I assume you people are very experienced in CS producion and 
it's uses and looking for some input about the topic.

Thanks Bob




--- On Mon, 2/22/10, carolG cgiam...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: carolG cgiam...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSHair Loss - link here
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:49 PM

Awesome Dee.

Dog doing fabulous!!!  Still scratching a little bit but nothing like 
before..her hair is coming nicely...not seeing hardly any raw red skin


Carol


From: scl...@cox.net scl...@cox.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 1:01:12 PM
Subject: Re: CSHair Loss - link here

We used bentonite and it seemed to work well. You prepare the clay 
mixture with ACV and then wet your hair and then apply the clay mixture.
 Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
http://us.mc621.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=...@deetroy.orgd...@deetroy.org 
wrote:


=
It doesn't say what sort of clay and *how* you wash your hair with 
it!  Is it bentonite, do you think?  dee


On 21 Feb 2010, at 20:56, 
http://us.mc621.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scl...@cox.netscl...@cox.net 
wrote:


 I'm posting a link to curezone for a hair growth recipe that seemed to 
work for my wife.


 
http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1573169#ihttp://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1573169#i


 Steve
  carolG 
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wrote:


 =
 
http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/http://www.freewebs.com/immortalhair/

 See below.

 carol





 
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 Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 10:04:09 AM
 Subject: CSHair Loss

 Okay, so I found this website while researching DHT and what causes 
elevated levels and the connection with Iodine and the thyroid.  The 
second page talks about the thyroid hormones and Insulin resistance and 
T4 and how it's all related. :)  Very interesting and informative read 
with research and reference links. And although it talk about men 
mostly, I'm

Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.

When the facts don't add up and everyone refuses to fly off the handle and
start screaming inanities?

OK Almost to the point of thumping a Bible.

Sorry. Not your flock.

Ode

At 04:56 AM 2/23/2010 -0500, you wrote:

Mike:

I'm sick of listening to third grade attacks by jerks on friends and I
will defend them. I don't care what anyone else says on the list -
they're mostly just chit-chatters and most don't have evidence of anything
other than what they've read. brooks has good info - real info. I belong
to a lot of health lists and this one is really not monitored well - or
Dave's crap about Steve would've never gotten through - never on another
list. You people want to bring on the name calling games, I'm right there
to defend my friends and I'll lay it out as cold and as cruel as comes my
way. If you want to be adults - try it - it works nicely. Community - we
- what a joke!
If you don't understand, Mike, what I've said about the evolution of the
EU moving to ban CS, then you're not as smart as you think you are. I've
been very clear about it. And so has Steve. And the movement through the
EPA is hitting our shores, too.

John

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:57 AM, M. G. Devour
mailto:mdev...@eskimo.commdev...@eskimo.com wrote:

John, David, Ken, and others...

Here we go with the repetitious, inane, 3rd grade name-calling, again.
It's no wonder the 'smart people' no longer have anything to say on
silverlist - the wonderful we-we community.

John, would you kindly stop making this all so damned personal -- and
juvenile? Thank you for calling every person who posts to the list
stupid! I am very sorry David is not feeling kindly toward your friend.

He is reporting first-hand the difficulties this uproar is causing him
in his efforts to *promote* colloidal silver use. You may NOT object to
him doing so here.

Understood?

David and Ken, and anyone else who chooses to comment on this issue:
Kindly refrain from using personally perjorative descriptors of the
person of Steve Barwick, so we may all be spared John getting his
knickers in a twist because you're being MEAN to him.

Understood?

The essential issue is this:

Is CS really banned in Europe, or are vendors simply changing their
labelling to comply with new regulations and continuing to sell their
products?

If the latter, then Dave's point is perfectly valid, even if packaged
in an unkindly sentiment.

So, which is true, John?

As carefully explained here before, Europe is moving in an evolutionary
way, like the progressives in the U.S., to ban silver water. As is the
EPA, John McCain and a number of others.

That is undoubtedly true, in terms of the agenda and the incremental
approach that is being attempted. I don't think anyone here is blind to
what the powers that be *want* to do.

The dispute is over the LOUD assertion that:

COLLOIDAL SILVER IS BANNED IN EUROPE!

... which some say is not actually true at the present time.

Is silver still being sold in Europe, or not? That's the question you
need to answer for us, John, if you want to be believed.

You don't fight this battle by sticking your head in the sand...

To object to exaggerations is not the same as denying there is a
movement to ban silver... along with just about anything else that
might be useful.

You might also say that it hurts the credibility of the alternative
health community to loudly proclaim things that are not true, or that
sowing fear and panic in potential users is unwise.

So, is it true that CS is actually BANNED, and no longer being sold in
Europe, or is it only that some labelling requirements have been
changed?

Answer that, please?

Be well,

Mike D.
list referee...

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Alchemysa
mailto:da...@alchemysa.com.auda...@alchemysa.com.au

wrote:
Even though its untrue, I've had half a dozen people say to me that
CS has been banned in Europe. Gee, it must be dangerous if its been
banned and Hey, Google is full of references that say CS is banned
in Europe.

Steve Barwick (aka Spencer Jones) is an idiot. All he has done is get
more people thinking that perhaps it SHOULD be banned.

David

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Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

##  You can make EIS well beyond 20 PPM, however, having it look like 
something you'd let your dog drink is another matter.
I've found that around 30 us [or PPM ionic] is about the limit, but Ionic 
isn't all that there is and it can take a fair a amount of time for ions to 
crystallize out of solution.


I've gone as high as 87uS and it took a month to drop back to 30 uS and 
stay there...in the meantime, a nice looking batch, but since it took a 
very long time to get to 87uS as conductivity rise rates leveled off from 
constant current linear past 30 uS...I had no idea how strong it really 
was.  Maybe even 200 PPM..I dunno. [I suppose I could have extrapolated the 
chart, but didn't]


If you change the electrode configuration, the manufacturers PPM auto off 
settings, a ballpark guess to start with using the best WRONG tools 
available are *out the window*.
Even a minor change makes a major difference and a coin has completely 
different discharge characteristics than a narrow flat strip or a smooth 
round rod.


Ode





The only way to exceed the 20 ppm is to make silver salts instead of EIS, 
which all will cause argyria.  Actually there IS one way according to some 
postings on here a month or so ago.  Supposedly you can slowly boil EIS 
down to a higher ppm withour it precipitating out, apparently the silver 
oxide/hydroxide will convert to colloidal and not fall out, but I have 
never tried it.




How about H2O2?  I haven't really tried that one yet.  That will be next, I
 guess.


For some experiments run long ago and reported here, H2O2 appeared to 
improve the effectiveness of EIS by from 5:1 to 10:1 if I remember right.


Marshall

Dick


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Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.




  That's OK...I've never been in charge of ears.
They always seem to belong to other people, who also aren't in charge of 
them most of the time.


I reckon we humans mostly just hear echoes and see reflections, set them 
outside and feed them like a stray cat to kick around when it's convenient.


Ode


At 02:48 PM 2/22/2010 +, you wrote:

Wise words falling on deaf ears I guess Ode.  dee



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Re: CSConfusion Making CS




  The best wrong tool we have is a conductivity meter.
It's doesn't actually measure silver, but gets you a pretty good guess and 
a good guess is all that's needed.


To actually measure the silver takes an Atomic Absorption 
Spectrophotometer [ tens of thousands of bucks and an eddication to run it]

 A Hatch Colorometer does a decent job starting at about $5,000

Ode



At 06:01 AM 2/22/2010 -0800, you wrote:
So what is the best way of attempting to measure the silver you're 
producing then? Or is there?



From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 3:43:32 AM
Subject: CSConfusion Making CS


 From: brf mailto:brfifi...@rogers.combrfifi...@rogers.com
 Date: 22 February 2010 9:44:54 AM
 To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSConfusion Making CS


 Looks like I'm going to have to re-evaluate what I'm doing.
 Thanks for your thoughts  link. I'll try to digest the information.
 By the way, the distilled water when starting measures at 000.



Where are you getting the distilled water from?  And note that meters only 
tell part of the story. They do NOT measure the presence of particles or 
organic impurities. So as it says below  a cup of distilled water that 
contains a tablespoon of sugar and finely powdered glass may display a ppm 
reading of near zero even though its obviously not pure.


David


Heres some stuff about meters...

Many people think that a PPM meter gives a definitive reading of the 
purity of water. This is not true. A ppm meter can only detect those 
dissolved impurities that raise the electrical conductivity of the water. 
So a meter can only determine the ppm of the dissolved NON-ORGANIC 
impurities (e.g. dissolved salts) because only these impurities raise the 
conductivity. It cannot detect the dissolved ORGANIC impurities* that may 
also be in the water (e.g. sugar or rotted leaf litter). Nor can a ppm 
meter detect the microscopic solid particles that may be in the water 
(i.e. the grit). So a cup of distilled water that contains a tablespoon of 
sugar and finely powdered glass may display a ppm reading of near zero 
even though its obviously not pure.


So, when using a ppm meter to measure water purity, you have to know if 
the dissolved organic impurities and the fine particles have been removed 
along with the salts. The only way to remove all these impurities is with 
a high quality reverse osmosis/deionisation system or with careful steam 
distillation.


The shortcomings of meters mentioned here should especially be considered 
when measuring the purity of rain water. Although the rain water may 
initially be pure, it can become significantly contaminated by organic 
impurities in the gutters and the tank. Although these impurities are not 
detectable by the meter they can have quite a detrimental effect on 
colloidal silver production.


(* One qualification to the comment above about the 'non conductivity' of 
organic impurities concerns the presence of acid. Any acid raises the 
electrical conductivity of water and can induce a completely meaningless 
reading on a ppm meter. While organic impurities usually do not register 
on a ppm meter, a few drops of, say, acidic lemon juice in a glass of 
water will produce readings in the 100's.)



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Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

Doing quantitative analysis for silver compounds is really rather easy, 
if you have much silver present. The biggest problem is that at 5-20 
ppm, the quantities are so small, that getting a good weight on them is 
difficult.  It can be done though with a good balance, forget a postage 
scale. These pages might give you some ideas:


http://dwb4.unl.edu/chemistry/smallscale/SS063c.html
http://dwb4.unl.edu/chemistry/picts/SS063All.gif

Anyway, this can be done.

Add a few drops of hydrochloric acid (muriatic acid should be ok) to the 
mix. Verify that it becomes cloudy. Let the cloudy part settle, and 
decant off the liquid. Dry the power and weight. Take the weight in 
grams and divide by 1.33, that will give you the silver content of the 
precipitant. Now divide that by the amount of water you had in liters 
and multiply by 1,000,000. Add .6 ppm for the dissolved portion, and you 
will now know the amount of ionic silver in ppm in the mixture.


Now take the same amount of EIS and boil it dry.  Add about 10 drops of 
nitric acid (this must be done in a test tube) and reflux the sides 
while boiling dry again over a flame (or use a flask over a hot plate).  
You now have 100% silver nitrate. Weight this in grams and divide by 
1.575 and that will give you the total silver content. Divide that by 
the amount of water in liters and multiply by 1,000,000 to get the ppm 
of silver.


Warning, nitric acid is very very toxic, breathing the fumes will 
liquefy your lungs so boiling it must be done under a fume hood.  Don't 
even think of using a venta hood over a stove, it will completely eat 
the metal of the hood and the metal piping to the outside up (if it even 
goes outside).  Fumes are not only toxic, but will destroy any 
electronics you have in area.


Another way to get the total silver would be to add the hydrochloric 
acid as above, and boil it dry.  Then subtract the amount you got in 
grams in the first part. What remains will be the silver content of the 
colloidal part.  Divide this by the amount of water in liters and  
multiply 1,000,000 for the colloidal part in ppm.


PS, if you measure everything in micrograms instead of grams, you do not 
have to multiply by 1,000,000 to get the ppm.


Marshall


Tony Moody wrote:

Hi Tom,

It would be a real boon to have some sort of standard quantitative 
analysis of silver content which could be done in a home lab/kitchen. a 
titration method maybe? which would involve simple reagents and 
glassware.  I think another way would be a colorimetric method or 
turbidity meter kind of thing which would involve test slides or a 
photometer of some sort. 


Do you , or anyone have any thoughts on this?

In the sticks,
Tony

On 22 Feb 2010 at 20:11, poast wrote about : Subject : Re: CSWhich layer 
of skin for silv  

  

Hello Marshall,

I only did the reduction to 60 uS once just to see what happened.  While
the solution was basically clear, you didn't need a laser to observe the
Tyndall effect.  A pen light worked fine.  As I recall, I had a few larger
sparkle particles in the solution.

I didn't keep it very long because I was using it in some soap. 
Overnight, there was no residue settling on the bottom of the jar, but

that was as long as it sat.

I regularly reduce a 10 uS solution to a 20 uS solution.  This also shows
a strong Tyndall effect, is clear, and everything remains in suspension.

The main problem I have is not having the equipment to translate uS to
PPM.

Tom


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Thus part I don't understand.  The ionic portion of EIS is silver oxide
and silver hydroxide, each with a solubility of only 13 ppm, so combined
they have a solubility of 26 ppm. (Actually since they continually
convert from one to the other, and theoretically the hydroxide should be
much more soluble than the oxide, I believer that what really happens is
that with it continually converting from one to the other and back again
when dissolved, the the less soluble one really sets the limit for
both). So just what IS the compound that is forming the 60 uS part. Is
it from carbon dioxide that is absorbed into the air forming silver
chloride?  Or if an analysis I made earlier where the silver particles
get cemented together by silver oxide particles produces an ionic form
which increases conduction?  I find it curious that the conductivity
increases.

Marshall


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Re: CS Use of copper---

Thanks Ode.  I've thought about taking, not so much colloidal copper as
ormus copper.  But as I said, it's not a priority and I haven't done it yet,
even years after hearing the (almost) dead doctor lecture.  So it may be
years before I bother with it.  I'm just simply always curious, and store
the information that I hear.  And remarks set the gears into motion
again--like when the other person here mentioned making colloidal copper-I
wondered if I could do it with your machine--which made me wonder if copper
was missing in our diets--which made me remember the copper/hair thing.  And
so it goes.  Questions and more questions. :-)

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
 
   Isn't that dead doctor guy dead yet?
He was a glacier water ' ground up rock'  MLM salesman.
You can't go by what salesmen say, even if partly true, every person is
unique and extremely complicated.

Re: CS Use of copper---




  Isn't that dead doctor guy dead yet?
He was a glacier water ' ground up rock'  MLM salesman.
You can't go by what salesmen say, even if partly true, every person is 
unique and extremely complicated.


[ OK..so this guy drank glacier melt water and lived for 140 years, but he 
can't count past ten. ]


Copper toxicity has easily determined early symptoms like numbness of 
limbs, difficulty in concentrating and mood swings.
Having deliberately increased exposure to Copper and being aware of that, 
you'll know if there's a problem and can escape before it's irreversible 
just by cutting back on exposure and having the symptoms go away...it's not 
instant destruction.
Theoretically, however, you might not realize what overloading the 
regulation system with one metal is doing with other metals.
And if you haven't purposefully increased exposure, you might not know why 
you feel so weird, or even that you DO feel weird, while those around you 
that don't have that problem even under the same circumstance worry their 
heads off.


Copper, like Aluminum,  is so common that's it's generally really difficult 
to avoid...but then, minerals are not the least bit evenly distributed.
 The blanket statement that soils have had all the Silver leached out of 
them can't be true when no two soils have ever been the same even a few 
yards apart and Silver is a semi rare mineral to start with...or that 
modern foods lack the nutrients of the old days, when modern farmers 
actually take great care to supplement soils with minerals, unlike back in 
the old days...and the foods of the old days have never been analyzed to 
see WHAT WAS in them.

If something isn't there, organic farming methods don't create it.
And old farming methods were even worse for soils than modern farming 
methods, often burning soils out so much they wouldn't even grow grass or 
anything but scrubby short needle pines with really long tap roots. [Go 
West, young man, your Daddys Eastern farm is dead.]


Skin cream salesmen may say something like  Collagen has Copper in it, 
therefore, more Copper will build Collagen as though why you aren't 
building it is because you have a Copper shortage..when there may be a 
hundred other more likely reasons that isn't happening.  {Hey, try it.  If 
it works it works, but nobody has *your* gospel ]


Ode

At 09:12 AM 2/22/2010 -0600, you wrote:
Thanks Ode.  Considering I've had your puppy for, oh, 4 or 5 years now, 
I'm assuming the regulator wouldn't be one of the energy savers.


I was just wondering if it was possible to make CC.  Not that I'm 
interested because I already know, as you say, it can be toxic at higher 
doses--and how does a person tell if they are at a too high dose?  Blood 
test I suppose, but since we don't even have a family doctor, we'd be hard 
pressed to get a blood test for it.


I have often thought about just buying a bottle of CC and trying it simply 
because of the 'dead doctors don't lie' guy.  I heard him talk once and he 
said anyone with grey hair has a copper shortage.  Since I greyed in my 
30's I've often thought about trying the CC for this, but since I'm in my 
50's now, and still haven't, you can tell how important it is to me. :)


Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---


   Yes..but probably not with the newer regulated 24 volt power supplies.
You need at least 27-28 volts at the electrodes which an unregulated 100+
milliamp 24 volt supply will deliver @ the Pups current load..the Pup is
good to 36 volts in AC or DC.



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Re: CS Use of copper---

Hmm...my husband is as regular as clock-work at least twice a day and has loads 
of 'liver' spots, whereas I can go for days without 'going' and have none!  dee

On 23 Feb 2010, at 14:26, Renee wrote:

 Nah, liver and age spots are due to--liver toxicity.  I was just writing that 
 about copper because the previous post said it was due to too much copper, 
 and I'd posted that I heard that traveling doctor say grey hair was due to 
 not enough copper.  And since I had both--grey hair and liver spots--where 
 did that leave me?  Too much or too little?  Lol 
  
 But seriously, when a person does a good liver cleanse, and does it long 
 enough, the spots go away.  It's one method of physically seeing that your 
 liver needs help--so I need to get my but into gear and go on an internal 
 cleanse.  Because if the liver is showing it needs help, then you can bet the 
 kidneys do too. 
  
 Start with a colon cleanse, because that needs to be working correctly so as 
 to be able to eliminate the toxins the liver and kidney cleanses dump into 
 the blood.  If you aren't going to the bathroom regularly, the toxins can't 
 get out and they get reabsorbed into the system--which is why you'll hear 
 people say they get headaches or nausea on organ cleanses.  They aren't 
 getting those toxins out and the body is trying to deal with them.
  
 Samala,
 Renee
  


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Re: CSConfusion Making CS


Ode Coyote wrote:



  The best wrong tool we have is a conductivity meter.
It's doesn't actually measure silver, but gets you a pretty good guess 
and a good guess is all that's needed.


To actually measure the silver takes an Atomic Absorption 
Spectrophotometer [ tens of thousands of bucks and an eddication to 
run it]

 A Hatch Colorometer does a decent job starting at about $5,000



Actually you can use an atomic absorption spectrometer, that is what 
Frank uses, or a spectrophotometer (also called a photospectromemter ), 
which is what I use. I have the Hack unit myself, but requires digestion 
of the silver by nitric acid first.


Marshall


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RE: CS Use of copper---


At 08:53 PM 2/22/2010, you wrote:

[...could be another reason I have blue moons,...]
-They're slowly being eliminated one by one by the looks of it, 
that's two down in as many weeks, if I stick around long enough I 
believe I'll get a 'hat trick' g.


This appears to throw some *doubt?* on yet another suggestion that 
EIS alone caused an issue {innocent until proven guilty beyond all 
reasonable doubt, isn't that how it goes?}.  Not saying it didn't 
mind...but I'm striking *you* off my list as well Sol, sorry about that.


As I see it it is still the silver that is the coloration, but it 
deposited possibly helped along by lifestyle and diet choices I was 
making. And take into consideration, I am certainly NOT the only 
person to have either copper excess, nor to have been taking in an 
inordinate amount of caffeine while taking high dose CS. I would bet 
there are others on this list for whom both those factors apply, who 
do not have the nail problem, so there is much more to find out.




This is what I meant a while ago about a person being flooded with a 
million questions in response to a 'blanket statement', nobody 
*really* knows what someone else is doing...and possibly in 
conjunction with EIS?  The only way of REALLY finding out is 
to...'get up close and personal', which I consider a tad...shall we 
say...invasive? Hence I won't do it, I'd rather quietly draw my own 
conclusions and just settle for reading between the lines.


I agree, there are many more variables, more unknown details that 
nobody thinks to question.
If asked at the time, I would not have thought either one 
significant. Live and learn, LOL.

sol



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Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

Thanks for this Marshall.  dee

On 23 Feb 2010, at 15:51, Marshall Dudley wrote:

 Have her look at dorway.com
 
 Even the FDA has a list of problems it can cause, including death if I 
 remember right.
 
 Marshall
 


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Re: CS Use of copper---

No, it's not the going to the bathroom that has anything to do with liver
spots--it's an overloaded liver that makes them show up in the skin.  So a
liver cleanse is needed.  But a person should be going to the bathroom
regularly BEFORE a liver cleanse is started, to make sure the toxins from
the cleanse is removed from the body.

So what this means is that your liver is in good condition and your husband
s is dealing with an overload of toxins.  Which means he could use a liver
cleanse.

Samala,
Renee 

---Original Message---
---
 
Hmm...my husband is as regular as clock-work at least twice a day and has
loads of 'liver' spots, whereas I can go for days without 'going' and have
none!  dee

Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.



  With all your castigations of people being fooled by commercial 
marketing hype, and so forth and being thought slaves to those whom 
you consider naive, I really don't understand your attitude towards 
Barwick, you appear to be totally brainwashed by and about him.
   Exactly the same unquestioning attitude that you accuse some here 
of having towards those whom we respect on this list, which you 
deplore in the strongest terms. Blind acceptance of what any person 
says based on allegiance to that person, is, in my view a very 
limiting thought cage.
  It is obvious you are not going to move from ranting about this to 
thinking about it, and also obvious that you DO care what others here 
think about Barwick, or it would not make you so very angry.

sol


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Re: CSTroll


At 04:03 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote:

Its a long time since we last had a troll. Seems we have forgotten how to
deal with it.

Ignore it.

It will get bored and disappear.


Tony,
  Thanks for the call to sanity. I hear you, a bit too late, LOL.
sol



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Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.


At 04:48 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote:
I've given up with her Marshall - she thinks if they are 'allowed' 
to sell it then it must be allright!  dee
If you mean diet sodas with aspartame, I have to say it doesn't 
bother me. People who are sensitive to it should not use it, but then 
that applies to everything.
I don't get any adverse effects from it nor does my husband, and from 
all the scare stories I've read about aspartame, he should be either 
dead or crippled in a wheelchair by now, and nothing remotely adverse 
has happened to him. For those who do need to avoid sugar but would 
like something a bit sweet from time to time, it is better tasting 
than any other sweetener that I have tried, even stevia. Though I do 
use stevia a lot, and have so far confined my aspartame intake to an 
occasional diet pepsi. The splenda sweetened coke just doesn't taste 
right. I don't consume a lot of diet pop though. I prefer my decaf 
coffee and I prefer it unsweetened as I do my decaf tea. But when I 
need a bit of caffeine, I will have 4 to 8 oz of diet pepsi.
sol 



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RE: CSConfusion Making CS


At 05:29 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote:
LOL...Yeah, I think I got up too early this morning, good thing I 
didn't get my hand slapped I spose from...'You Know Who'. g


N.

You mean, He who must be obeyed?
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Re: CS Use of copper---


At 06:14 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote:
I thought 'liver/age' spots were caused by lack of selenium and sun 
damage?  dee


Well, mine have never faded like this before, it IS winter and they 
may darken again in the summer, but they used to remain quite dark 
year round, though admittedly darker in summer. I have had very many, 
very dark and large on the backs of my hands for many years now. I 
even had a couple of them treated by freezing by a plastic surgeon, 
when he was freezing off some little warty things.
I have a good intake of selenium, which I have actually lowered very 
recently due to info posted by Ode, so time will tell. Months from 
now, when I am happily wandering around the yard working in the 
garden, I will try to remember to update about them.

sol


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Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.


Marshall,
  For some reason your posts are so truncated that I only get short 
bits of them in the message window, and so can't make heads or tails 
of them. Deciding to ask you about that, when I reply your entire 
email text appears in the reply text composition window.
  Any idea what is going on? I thought the emails were showing up in 
my read window just as you wrote them, but now think it must be a 
peculiarity of Eudora? But, no one else's posts come through so 
truncated.I HATE computers, LOL, and I HATE email programs too!
   Oh, well at least now I have way to read what you 
write..but I bet I have missed some good stuff..

sol

At 08:48 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote:

John E. Stevens wrote:

Mike:

I'm sick of listening to third grade attacks by jerks on friends 
and I will defend them.  I don't care what anyone else says on the 
list - they're mostly just chit-chatters and most don't have 
evidence of anything other than what they've read.
That is not true. There are a number of researchers here who run the 
experiments to find out what we want to know.  In fact I hardly say 
anything which is strictly from what I have read, virtually all my 
information comes from real scientific research that I and other 
here do ourselves with a broad knowledge of chemistry and physics. 
In fact I own a $4,000 spectrometer so I can analyze CS and even 
accurately determine the absolute concentration of silver in the mix.


Marshall




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Re: CS Use of copper---

Thanks Samala.  dee

On 23 Feb 2010, at 17:21, Renee wrote:

 No, it's not the going to the bathroom that has anything to do with liver 
 spots--it's an overloaded liver that makes them show up in the skin.  So a 
 liver cleanse is needed.  But a person should be going to the bathroom 
 regularly BEFORE a liver cleanse is started, to make sure the toxins from the 
 cleanse is removed from the body.
  
 So what this means is that your liver is in good condition and your husband's 
 is dealing with an overload of toxins.  Which means he could use a liver 
 cleanse.
  
 Samala,
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Re: CS Use of copper---

Ooh, I've done it again!  I mean thanks Renee!  dee

On 23 Feb 2010, at 17:21, Renee wrote:

 No, it's not the going to the bathroom that has anything to do with liver 
 spots--it's an overloaded liver that makes them show up in the skin.  So a 
 liver cleanse is needed.  But a person should be going to the bathroom 
 regularly BEFORE a liver cleanse is started, to make sure the toxins from the 
 cleanse is removed from the body.
  
 So what this means is that your liver is in good condition and your husband's 
 is dealing with an overload of toxins.  Which means he could use a liver 
 cleanse.
  
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Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

But aspartame is a known neurotoxin (exitotoxin) sol, and has also been cited 
as causing cancer among other things.  I believe it is on the agenda of the FDA 
at the moment as so many have called for a ban on it.  It was banned for many 
years until Reagan got into power and then it was allowed, as its discoverer 
was a friend of his (so I read.)  My friend suffers from really sensitive skin 
on her legs and feet and cannot bear to have them even brushed up against.  
Only one of many of her ailments, so I would have thought that to keep drinking 
something which is known to damage nerves would be the height of folly.  dee

On 23 Feb 2010, at 17:49, sol wrote:

 At 04:48 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote:
 I've given up with her Marshall - she thinks if they are 'allowed' to sell 
 it then it must be allright!  dee
 If you mean diet sodas with aspartame, I have to say it doesn't bother me. 
 People who are sensitive to it should not use it, but then that applies to 
 everything.
 I don't get any adverse effects from it nor does my husband, and from all the 
 scare stories I've read about aspartame, he should be either dead or crippled 
 in a wheelchair by now, and nothing remotely adverse has happened to him. For 
 those who do need to avoid sugar but would like something a bit sweet from 
 time to time, it is better tasting than any other sweetener that I have 
 tried, even stevia. Though I do use stevia a lot, and have so far confined my 
 aspartame intake to an occasional diet pepsi. The splenda sweetened coke just 
 doesn't taste right. I don't consume a lot of diet pop though. I prefer my 
 decaf coffee and I prefer it unsweetened as I do my decaf tea. But when I 
 need a bit of caffeine, I will have 4 to 8 oz of diet pepsi.
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Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.


sol wrote:

At 04:48 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote:
I've given up with her Marshall - she thinks if they are 'allowed' to 
sell it then it must be allright!  dee
If you mean diet sodas with aspartame, I have to say it doesn't bother 
me. People who are sensitive to it should not use it, but then that 
applies to everything.
I don't get any adverse effects from it nor does my husband, and from 
all the scare stories I've read about aspartame, he should be either 
dead or crippled in a wheelchair by now, and nothing remotely adverse 
has happened to him. For those who do need to avoid sugar but would 
like something a bit sweet from time to time, it is better tasting 
than any other sweetener that I have tried, even stevia. Though I do 
use stevia a lot, and have so far confined my aspartame intake to an 
occasional diet pepsi. The splenda sweetened coke just doesn't taste 
right. I don't consume a lot of diet pop though. I prefer my decaf 
coffee and I prefer it unsweetened as I do my decaf tea. But when I 
need a bit of caffeine, I will have 4 to 8 oz of diet pepsi.
If affects different people different ways, and may take years to 
manifest some things in some people. Many things though once you find it 
did cause the problem it is too late.  For instance we were warning my 
sister in law that if she kept drinking diet cokes with aspertame in it 
she was going to get brain tumors (yes, that was dowsed for).  She 
ignored that, kept drinking them, and laster had to have a brain 
operation to remove the tumors.  Unbelievable though, even though 
forewarned, with the warning coming true, she still drinks them. I guess 
she has a death wish.


Marshall

sol

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Re: CSVit C and iodine shelf life

2010-02-23 Thread Craig Chamberlin


Hi Dee,

No I do not.

Kind regards,

Craig

Yes I did Google it but quite frankly, I didn't understand the differences.  Do 
you know about nascent iodine, which is the one I have?  I used to have Iodoral 
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Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED - emit Not omit

Hi all, yes it's a typo, perhaps my dyslexia..
Like i said before Oops sorry
 
Tina.


--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Rowena new...@internode.on.net wrote:


From: Rowena new...@internode.on.net
Subject: Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED - emit
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 7:05 AM


I would think it is a typo for emit.
R

On 23/02/2010 11:37 PM, Frank wrote:
 Hi list,
 I read ...
 normal healthy cells OMIT wavelengths between is this statement OK?
 Frank ND
 
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 From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:21 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED
 
 Actually I've used that with DMSO on hubby and it worked really well!  dee
 
 On 23 Feb 2010, at 00:27, Christina Mattson wrote:
 
 Hi all, I hope this isn't rude but My Red LED unit came with a handy 
 Acupressure book which also explains about the technology of the LED for 
 healing. Normal healthy cells omit wavelengths between 600 and 725 
 Nanometers. When tissue is damaged the cells energy slows down. The idea is 
 that this type of light increases the vibration of the cells to 660. The 
 tissue underneath the skin changes the light energy to electrical energy; 
 then the nerves carry it to the brain which releases neurotransmitters and 
 certain hormones that turn on the healing process. This is according to my 
 book so don't blame me if its wrong.
 One benefit of LED VS Laser is that Red LED will not harm the eyes when 
 used around that area. That's what my book says and i use it all around my 
 eyes for vision treatments and wrinkles with no problems. I bought a strand 
 of tiny Red LED Mini Christmas lights that are battery operated with three 
 regular C batteries. I clustered eight lights together and use it works 
 just as good as my Photonic Torch which has eight mini LEDs housed in a 
 metal flashlight device mounted behind a glass dome. The neat thing about a 
 strand of lights is you can tape it to yourself and walk around the house 
 doing chores LOL. I've been trying to think of ways to combine it with CS 
 for treatments on myself and would love any ideas.
 Tina
 
 
 
 
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Re: CS Use of copper---

Yeah, but now you can nyana-nyana your husband because you don't need the
liver cleanse.  :-)

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
  
Ooh, I've done it again!  I mean thanks Renee!  dee

Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

Well, I'm sorry to tell you but MY personal experience is that I feel 
the same whether having some or being off it completely for years at 
a time. I just feel no adverse effects from it. It was one of the 
first things I looked at given my known health issues.
If removing something for several years from one's diet doesn't fix 
anything, and starting up again does not increase anything, I don't 
see the point, myself.
And I have read that it is an individual sensitivity issue, and for 
us at this house it does seem to be just that, and we have decided 
not to worry about it.
BTW, I do agree the FDA is lax on this, and don't really care  how 
many adverse reports they receive. I even read somewhere that they 
long ago stopped collecting adverse event data on it.
Now, if they were to bring back Cyclamate, which were exonerated 
umpty ump years ago I'd be a happy camper.  Meantime, I try to not 
use too much of any sweetener, but I don't have any fear of a bit of 
aspartame now and then.

sol

At 11:25 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote:
But aspartame is a known neurotoxin (exitotoxin) sol, and has also 
been cited as causing cancer among other things.  I believe it is on 
the agenda of the FDA at the moment as so many have called for a ban 
on it.  It was banned for many years until Reagan got into power and 
then it was allowed, as its discoverer was a friend of his (so I 
read.)  My friend suffers from really sensitive skin on her legs and 
feet and cannot bear to have them even brushed up against.  Only one 
of many of her ailments, so I would have thought that to keep 
drinking something which is known to damage nerves would be the 
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CSiodine

Just looked at the iodine4health.com site again, and it does endorse the 
nascent iodine that I am taking.  dee

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Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED

Hi Linda, i made a typo, i typed normal healthy cells Omit and i meant Emit. 
Big difference, i apologize for that.
Oh, did i mention that my little mini light strand cost under seven dollars, 
not including batteries of course.
 
Tina

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From: linda...@att.net linda...@att.net
Subject: Re: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 4:43 PM




Hi Tina,
 
Now *that* is *very* cool. Of course it would work- Why not?
 
Thanks for posting it :-).
 
Stay well,
 
Linda :-)
 


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#yiv973505171 v\3a* {
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---Original Message---

 

From: Christina Mattson
Date: 2/22/2010 6:31:40 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRE: LED info and Laser VS Red LED
 






Hi all, I hope this isn't rude but My Red LED unit came with a handy 
Acupressure book which also explains about the technology of the LED for 
healing. Normal healthy cells omit wavelengths between 600 and 725 Nanometers. 
When tissue is damaged the cells energy slows down. The idea is that this type 
of light increases the vibration of the cells to 660. The tissue underneath the 
skin changes the light energy to electrical energy; then the nerves carry it to 
the brain which releases neurotransmitters and certain hormones that turn on 
the healing process. This is according to my book so don't blame me if its 
wrong.
One benefit of LED VS Laser is that Red LED will not harm the eyes when used 
around that area. That's what my book says and i use it all around my eyes for 
vision treatments and wrinkles with no problems. I bought a strand of tiny Red 
LED Mini Christmas lights that are battery operated with three regular C 
batteries. I clustered eight lights together and use it works just as good as 
my Photonic Torch which has eight mini LEDs housed in a metal flashlight device 
mounted behind a glass dome. The neat thing about a strand of lights is you can 
tape it to yourself and walk around the house doing chores LOL. I've been 
trying to think of ways to combine it with CS for treatments on myself and 
would love any ideas.
Tina


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Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

I think the thing with this type of product is that you wouldn't necessarily 
notice anything happening at all, until it was too late.  However, as long as 
people are aware of the danger and can make an informed choice, then that is of 
course, their prerogative.   dee

On 23 Feb 2010, at 19:03, sol wrote:

 Well, I'm sorry to tell you but MY personal experience is that I feel the 
 same whether having some or being off it completely for years at a time. I 
 just feel no adverse effects from it. It was one of the first things I looked 
 at given my known health issues.
 If removing something for several years from one's diet doesn't fix anything, 
 and starting up again does not increase anything, I don't see the point, 
 myself.
 And I have read that it is an individual sensitivity issue, and for us at 
 this house it does seem to be just that, and we have decided not to worry 
 about it.
 BTW, I do agree the FDA is lax on this, and don't really care  how many 
 adverse reports they receive. I even read somewhere that they long ago 
 stopped collecting adverse event data on it.
 Now, if they were to bring back Cyclamate, which were exonerated umpty ump 
 years ago I'd be a happy camper.  Meantime, I try to not use too much of any 
 sweetener, but I don't have any fear of a bit of aspartame now and then.
 sol
 


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Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.


Try turning on wrap long lines.

Marshall

sol wrote:

Marshall,
  For some reason your posts are so truncated that I only get short 
bits of them in the message window, and so can't make heads or tails 
of them. Deciding to ask you about that, when I reply your entire 
email text appears in the reply text composition window.
  Any idea what is going on? I thought the emails were showing up in 
my read window just as you wrote them, but now think it must be a 
peculiarity of Eudora? But, no one else's posts come through so 
truncated.I HATE computers, LOL, and I HATE email programs 
too!
   Oh, well at least now I have way to read what you 
write..but I bet I have missed some good stuff..

sol

At 08:48 AM 2/23/2010, you wrote:

John E. Stevens wrote:

Mike:

I'm sick of listening to third grade attacks by jerks on friends and 
I will defend them.  I don't care what anyone else says on the list 
- they're mostly just chit-chatters and most don't have evidence of 
anything other than what they've read.
That is not true. There are a number of researchers here who run the 
experiments to find out what we want to know.  In fact I hardly say 
anything which is strictly from what I have read, virtually all my 
information comes from real scientific research that I and other here 
do ourselves with a broad knowledge of chemistry and physics. In fact 
I own a $4,000 spectrometer so I can analyze CS and even accurately 
determine the absolute concentration of silver in the mix.


Marshall




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Re: CS(LL) Have you heard of this name change ?? Sweeteners.

Sol writes:
 Meantime, I try to not use too much of any sweetener, but I don't have
 any fear of a bit of aspartame now and then. sol 

I think this is the ultimate secret to Sol's success!

Most of the incidents of people having real bad outcomes with such 
products seem to be linked with major use... How many do you hear being 
described as addicted to the stuff?

I will *rarely* take a swig or two of an aspertame sweetened beverage 
if I'm desparate for the taste. It's not like the stuff is acutely 
toxic. That's why they get away with selling it.

Be well,

Mike D.

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Re: CSmachine question

Hi Bob, I also had this dilemma a while back. I ended up going with what you 
call ionic (which i call CS but an going to change to EIS) Anyway, Maybe you 
could purchase some Particulate silver solution and some Ionic and compare the 
two. I have not tried the Particulate type.
One thing i know for sure is I like the CS i made with my silver puppy a lot 
more than the CS i purchased, it's more effective and seems to give me more 
energy. 
My daughters boyfriend has had pink eye three times and the third time he used 
mine instead of store bought, he said mine eased the discomfort within minutes 
of dropping it into his eye and cured it in two days vs four days with the 
store bought CS.
I'm definitely not an expert and I'm sure your going to get all the information 
you need and then some here. I have learned so much and i'm getting better at 
understanding the technical stuff the more i read it.
 
Tina
 
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Subject: Re: CSmachine question
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
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Most on this group prefer the EIS (electronically isolated silver) commonly 
known as colloidal silver (CS)  ours is a mixture of both and consists of 
mainly ionic with some colloidal.  I have a SilverPuppy which I love--this 
makes clear EIS and is cheap and easy to use.  You can use it manually or 
automatically and it has a facility whereby you can switch polarity to limit 
build up on the electrodes.  This I find an excellent feature.  You literally 
just pour in your distilled water into your jar - put the generator on the top 
and just leave it and it turns itself off when done.  couldn't be easier.  For 
larger amounts, there is the SilverGen which is a bit more expensive I believe, 
but does larger amounts. dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 21:18, william heene wrote:

 Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at this 
 point I am confused about which is more effective,  ionic or particle.  I 
 can't seem to find an answer!  One site they say ionic and other site it is 
 particle.  I assume you people are very experienced in CS producion and it's 
 uses and looking for some input about the topic.
 Thanks Bob
  
  
 
 


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RE: CSBarwick's BS about CS.

2010-02-23 Thread Norton, Steve

Against my better judgment, I am putting in my 2 cents on this subject.
Some may want to criticize me as being a list cop but I am not and
don't care to be. But as a member of the list, I am entitled to express
my opinions too.

I really don't see Steve Barwick as much different than Mercola, Byron
Richards, Natural News and other similar sellers that send me
information. All of them are out to sell me something and whatever news
they send just happens to conveniently correspond to a product they have
handy and for sale. If you have ever read an article or book on writing
advertising copy, they all use some bit of news as the hook to get your
interest followed by product info and a request for you to buy their
product. The news is selected to correspond to their product and their
copy is biased towards their product and getting you to buy it. If you
are looking for unbiased news these are not the sources for it. These
people are MARKETEERS, if you don't trust their info then just ignore
them.

As for the idea that if you own someone's product, then you are biased
in your opinion and unqualified to express an opinion on that product.
Bull. That would mean that those with Silver Puppies or SG7s or xyz are
not qualified to give an opinion because they are biased. While I think
that those are the opinions that are really are worthwhile. Since I do
not own a commercial CS generator, my opinion may be unbiased but it is
worthless regarding them.

And the discordant remarks. Trolls, jerks, chit-chatters and so on. Mike
has tried to close this trend several times but to no avail. What is the
matter with everyone? Yes, John is sometimes abrasive, sometimes
insulting and tends to bring this on himself but why must everyone be so
persistent in responding in kind to him? This so much reminds me of the
phrase pissing in the wind. You are pissing in the wind and when you
do you only come away with piss on you. 

John isn't a troll. He obviously supports CS use and isn't attacking it.
It really doesn't take much to recognize John's personality type and
realize the futility of arguing the subject with him so why do it? This
is not meant as a knock against John or anyone else, but combativeness
is not usually a sign of security but of insecurity. And attacking that
person only increases the insecurity and escalates things. It will solve
nothing. A person truly secure in his knowledge will feel no need to
argue the issue. If they do it will only be to the extent to be sure
they have explained their point sufficiently and that another can
understand it if they wish to. They are comfortable in their rightness
and don't need the agreement of others. What is right is right. Even if
the whole world disagrees, it will not change that fact.

Also, John has shown to be a good source of information on numerous
other subjects. Why drive him away and lose the benefit of that
knowledge and experience?

Now that we have archives, remember that what you post will be there for
a long time. And the archives are not private. Even as we speak, Google
and others have their metacrawlers caching everything in the archives
and what you say will be available to the world. How do you want others
to view you and the silver list?

Just my opinion,
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CS[List Owner] Etiquette reminder...

Hi folks,

I've been asked if I'd post a reminder on a couple if list etiquette 
items that are being neglected lately. I agree that it's appropriate.

Trimming text: 

When you hit reply and then type a few lines of text at the top, please 
realize that the WHOLE POST you're responding to is quoted in yours, 
along with several more previous messages in many cases! It's there, 
even if you don't see it in the editing window! Just hit down-arrow a 
few dozen times and you'll realize just how ridiculously wasteful your 
message is!

Please delete all but the relevant parts of the post you're replying 
to, leaving enough so your readers have context for your remarks. 

Thanks!

The other matter is one of noise level.

People ask questions, others give answers. We get the occasional heads-
up on political or regulatory issues. Folks post their experiences or 
report on what they're doing or things they've found. All of that is 
content that is appropriate for what we're here to do.

One liners saying Thank you! Great post! or Me too! and variants 
thereof... add very little to the discussion, yet often account for a 
large fraction of daily message volume.

Now, I fully understand that our mommas all taught us to be polite. 
It's just good manners to be thankful and say so... I'll make two 
suggestions: 

Send it privately to the one person for whom it really matters to know 
you are grateful.

Or, collect up the names of those who've responded to you and send 
'batch' thank-yous to the list that acknowledge several at once.

When you hit reply, the list address will be in the To: or Addressee: 
field of your message editor by default. You're going to have to 
manually cut and paste the oringal author's address there, unless 
you're lucky and your mail editor gives you the chance to choose other 
options.

Now, these are only guidelines, so you won't be breaking any rules if 
you forget, and I don't want to hear any apologies out there, either!

Just, as we go forward, please ask yourself if the message you're about 
to send falls into one of these catagories and consider re-addressing 
it or not sending it this time. And trim your text, too!

Thank you!

Be well,

Mike Devour
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Re: CSmachine question


Hello again bob, i was in a hurry and for got to mention that i have read 
literature about Particulate vs Ionic and here's what i came up with. In my 
case i was specifically interested in knowing which of the two presented a 
greater (if any) risk of Argyria.
One said that it's the type with mostly ions and a small percentage of 
particulate in super high doses would cause it. this was by people in favor of 
ionic.
Another said the miners who worked in a silver mine got it from inhaling the 
silver dust so i figured that would have to be particles. this one was brought 
up in an article by someone strictly against pretty much any silver product 
used for health especially CS. So i decided (for myself only) that the ions 
were necessary for mine and my son's personal needs and i would use it in 
moderation.
 
  Tina

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From: Christina Mattson tinamatt...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSmachine question
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 11:17 AM







Hi Bob, I also had this dilemma a while back. I ended up going with what you 
call ionic (which i call CS but an going to change to EIS) Anyway, Maybe you 
could purchase some Particulate silver solution and some Ionic and compare the 
two. I have not tried the Particulate type.
One thing i know for sure is I like the CS i made with my silver puppy a lot 
more than the CS i purchased, it's more effective and seems to give me more 
energy. 
My daughters boyfriend has had pink eye three times and the third time he used 
mine instead of store bought, he said mine eased the discomfort within minutes 
of dropping it into his eye and cured it in two days vs four days with the 
store bought CS.
I'm definitely not an expert and I'm sure your going to get all the information 
you need and then some here. I have learned so much and i'm getting better at 
understanding the technical stuff the more i read it.
 
Tina
 
--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:


From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
Subject: Re: CSmachine question
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 3:01 AM


Most on this group prefer the EIS (electronically isolated silver) commonly 
known as colloidal silver (CS)  ours is a mixture of both and consists of 
mainly ionic with some colloidal.  I have a SilverPuppy which I love--this 
makes clear EIS and is cheap and easy to use.  You can use it manually or 
automatically and it has a facility whereby you can switch polarity to limit 
build up on the electrodes.  This I find an excellent feature.  You literally 
just pour in your distilled water into your jar - put the generator on the top 
and just leave it and it turns itself off when done.  couldn't be easier.  For 
larger amounts, there is the SilverGen which is a bit more expensive I believe, 
but does larger amounts. dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 21:18, william heene wrote:

 Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at this 
 point I am confused about which is more effective,  ionic or particle.  I 
 can't seem to find an answer!  One site they say ionic and other site it is 
 particle.  I assume you people are very experienced in CS producion and it's 
 uses and looking for some input about the topic.
 Thanks Bob
  
  
 
 


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CS[List Owner] Last Chance...

John,

You write:
 I'm sick of listening to third grade attacks by jerks on friends and I
 will defend them. 

I do not care if Steven Barwick is your closest personal friend. You 
may not attack other members here for expressing reasonable objections 
to your friend's activities when they are relevant, and even 
disruptive, to the mission.

 I don't care what anyone else says on the list 

Actually, you seem to care an awful lot. Far too much, from what I can 
see.

 I belong to a lot of health lists and this one is really not monitored
 well - or Dave's crap about Steve would've never gotten through - never
 on another list. 

Are you really so technically naive as to have not noticed yet that I 
DO NOT REVIEW MESSAGES before they are posted? 

How on earth do you think all of YOUR disrespectful diatribes would 
have made it to the list, huh?

I actually depend on my members to control their *own* behavior and to 
behave like adults, which they do most of the time, I'm proud to say.

 You people want to bring on the name calling games, I'm right there to
 defend my friends and I'll lay it out as cold and as cruel as comes my
 way. 

Guess what, John? You don't get to have the final say. Period. You 
behave like a playground bully and brawler here, and I will throw you 
out on your silly little ass.

Got it?

 If you want to be adults - try it - it works nicely.  Community - we -
 what a joke! 

Works for a lot folks. Not you, obviously.

 If you don't understand, Mike, what I've said about the evolution of
 the EU moving to ban CS, then you're not as smart as you think you are.
  I've been very clear about it.  And so has Steve.  And the movement
 through the EPA is hitting our shores, too. 

Every bit of which we already know, understand and recognise.

The only one not being smart here, is the one who is squandering every 
opportunity he has to be of true assistance to others by unaccountably 
defending irresponsible marketing techniques and hype.

SILVER BANNED! That's hype.

Europe puts pressure on colloidal silver makers, forces label changes, 
proposing new regulations and working toward a ban... That's 
responsible reporting, and nobody would fault you or Steve on it.

Here's the final offer, John.

You go off and set up your own community in whatever format you think 
you'd like. When you're all ready, let me know, and I'll pass on your 
invitation to the few here who you deem to be deserving of your 
leadership.

If not, then accept the way I run things and focus on helping other 
people here instead of throwing your weight around. 

Any other response on your part will result in your removal from my 
premises.

Last chance.

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Re: CSmachine question

2010-02-23 Thread william heene

 
Hello group...made up my mind, though still don't quit understand it all as of 
yet.  Gonna go with the SilverPuppy!  Thanks Louise, Tina, Marshall and Ode for 
your input.  Bob  
 


--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Christina Mattson tinamatt...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Christina Mattson tinamatt...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSmachine question
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 3:35 PM








Hello again bob, i was in a hurry and for got to mention that i have read 
literature about Particulate vs Ionic and here's what i came up with. In my 
case i was specifically interested in knowing which of the two presented a 
greater (if any) risk of Argyria.
One said that it's the type with mostly ions and a small percentage of 
particulate in super high doses would cause it. this was by people in favor of 
ionic.
Another said the miners who worked in a silver mine got it from inhaling the 
silver dust so i figured that would have to be particles. this one was brought 
up in an article by someone strictly against pretty much any silver product 
used for health especially CS. So i decided (for myself only) that the ions 
were necessary for mine and my son's personal needs and i would use it in 
moderation.
 
  Tina

--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Christina Mattson tinamatt...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Christina Mattson tinamatt...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSmachine question
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 11:17 AM







Hi Bob, I also had this dilemma a while back. I ended up going with what you 
call ionic (which i call CS but an going to change to EIS) Anyway, Maybe you 
could purchase some Particulate silver solution and some Ionic and compare the 
two. I have not tried the Particulate type.
One thing i know for sure is I like the CS i made with my silver puppy a lot 
more than the CS i purchased, it's more effective and seems to give me more 
energy. 
My daughters boyfriend has had pink eye three times and the third time he used 
mine instead of store bought, he said mine eased the discomfort within minutes 
of dropping it into his eye and cured it in two days vs four days with the 
store bought CS.
I'm definitely not an expert and I'm sure your going to get all the information 
you need and then some here. I have learned so much and i'm getting better at 
understanding the technical stuff the more i read it.
 
Tina
 
--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:


From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
Subject: Re: CSmachine question
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 3:01 AM


Most on this group prefer the EIS (electronically isolated silver) commonly 
known as colloidal silver (CS)  ours is a mixture of both and consists of 
mainly ionic with some colloidal.  I have a SilverPuppy which I love--this 
makes clear EIS and is cheap and easy to use.  You can use it manually or 
automatically and it has a facility whereby you can switch polarity to limit 
build up on the electrodes.  This I find an excellent feature.  You literally 
just pour in your distilled water into your jar - put the generator on the top 
and just leave it and it turns itself off when done.  couldn't be easier.  For 
larger amounts, there is the SilverGen which is a bit more expensive I believe, 
but does larger amounts. dee

On 22 Feb 2010, at 21:18, william heene wrote:

 Afternoon...I am new to the group and looking to buy a CS mach., at this 
 point I am confused about which is more effective,  ionic or particle.  I 
 can't seem to find an answer!  One site they say ionic and other site it is 
 particle.  I assume you people are very experienced in CS producion and it's 
 uses and looking for some input about the topic.
 Thanks Bob
  
  
 
 


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CSResveratrol and Sir2 Research

2010-02-23 Thread Brooks Bradley

 During a recently-past exploratory
investigation   on the effectiveness of life-extension via restricted
caloric intake, we came across some work which greatly excited our
interest.
Our investigations had been centered upon Sir2 (a member of the
sirtuin family of enzymes), which is a known aid in protecting cells
and delaying cell death.   As early as 2004 several researchers had ,
successfully,
established the beneficial effects of overexpressing
Sir2upon subjects who were following a restricted caloric
diet.  In the original experiments with flies.life extensions of
57% were achieved.  Conversely,
the controls displayed no life extensions.During our
investigations, we happened upon some work being done on utilizing
Resveratrol as  a complementary stimulant to supporting  the Sir2
actions for life extension.
We were, immediately struck, by the stand-alone effectiveness
displayed by  Resveratrol.in aiding in the prevention of a number
of systemic insults---including hearing loss.  However,  it was the
suppression of angiogenesis
in cancer evaluations by other research organizationswhich
commanded our closest attention.
 To shorten this diatribe, I simply
state that our initial investigations do tend to confirm the
synergistic effects of Resveratrol with supplementary sources of
Sir2..to be very substantial.  I include a non-technical
information flyer by one of many suppliers of Resveratrol to
provide those not conversant with this area of investigation.at
all.  Please acknowledge I am not endorsing their products, I have no
knowledge..at all...of the
usefulness/applicability of their products.   One can, simply, ignore
or minimize the commercial hype relating to the peculiar superiority
of their brand of nostrums.
  I would encourage interested list
members to conduct a web search on Sir2 and Resveratrol..there is
much useful information available on the Internet.

 I hope these comments are of value to some list members.

Sincerely,   Brooks Bradley.






http://www.revgenetics.com/resveratrol/?gclid=CK2zu9eniaACFcth2godUlYOkg


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Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.

I don't find any way to do that. And I did find a couple of other 
messages than yours that do the same thing, but it no longer matters 
now that I know how to expand them.

thanks anyway,
sol

At 12:25 PM 2/23/2010, you wrote:

Try turning on wrap long lines.

Marshall



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CSBarwick's BS about CS

2010-02-23 Thread Alchemysa





SILVER BANNED! That's hype.




Mike. Its worse than hype. Barwick has probably cost people their  
jobs.  Can you imagine what this has done to colloidal silver sales  
around the world, particularly in Europe? In his greedy rush to panic  
people into buying his 2nd rate machine he's done tremendous harm.  
For Barwick to continue to claim that silver is banned, when he knows  
its not true, makes him a blatant liar.  And he's a fool as well  
because rather than admit his mistake he falsely claims that CS  
retailers are using a 'loophole' to continue to sell CS. What an  
idiot. Bureaucrats just love to close loopholes.


The truth is that CS has not been banned. It's perfectly legal. It's  
still available in every health store. It is not being sold via a  
'loophole'. It is being sold without restriction. The only change is  
a minor change to labelling that prevents any claim that its a  
'mineral supplement.'



David



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CSPPM, uS, resistance, etc.

2010-02-23 Thread Richard Goodwin

Here's an article that explains the relationships:

http://www.sensorex.com/support/education/conductivity_education.html

Of course it depends on many variables, like temperature, electrode distance 
and surface area, AC vs DC, etc...

Dick


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Re: CSBuffered MMS question for Tom

2010-02-23 Thread Dan Nave

Tom,

What you say here seems very consistant with my results while taking MMS.

Dan


On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 6:57 PM, poast po...@prodigy.net wrote:
 Hello Renee,

 100 pounds of sodium chlorite will keep you going for quite awhile.
 However, there are thousands of uses for it, so it may not last as long as
 you think.

 A comment on safety...  A 28% concentration sodium chlorite solution is
 dangerous to handle, and also has mailing restrictions.  You would be far
 better off, and much safer, and not in violation of most mailing codes
 offering a 5% concentration solution.  You can do everything with a 5%
 solution that you can do with a 28% solution, you just use a little more.

 Sodium chlorite solutions are considered stabilized chlorine dioxide
 solutions.  The concentration of the solution is directly related to the
 available chlorine dioxide in the solution.  The 28%, by weight, solution
 made with 80% technical grade sodium chlorite is actually a 22.4% sodium
 chlorite solution and it has 224000 PPM available chlorine dioxide.  A
 6.25%, by weight, sodium chlorite is actually a 5% solution and it has 5
 PPM available chlorine dioxide.

 In industry, chlorine dioxide is used to remove sulphur compounds from the
 air and from solutions.  Since MSM has a sulphur component, as does DMSO, I
 would expect some reaction between an activated sodium chlorite solution and
 MSM.  I have not tested that specifically, but will put it on my list of
 things to check out.  I have checked chlorine dioxide and DMSO, and DMSO
 acts as an anti oxidant and reduces the concentration of chlorine dioxide.

 What I find interesting is that DMSO and MSM have a small molecular weight
 that lends them to easily penetrating the skin.  Chlorine dioxide has a
 molecular weight about 15% less than DMSO (DMSO is 78, MSM is 94, chlorine
 dioxide is 67.45) so it also easily penetrates the skin.  Unfortunately, it
 is so reactive that it doesn't get very far.

 Roy boasts about taking extremely large doses using his MMS-Lite
 combination.  I can assure you that if there wasn't an interaction between
 MMS and MSM, he would be suffering some side effects.  You can do a similar
 thing by adding something like organic apple juice to a normal MMS dose.  I
 once took three 15 drop doses, mixed up according to the MMS protocol, in 30
 minutes and suffered no side effects at all.  I mixed each dose with some
 organic apple juice (the label indicated that no additional vitamin C had
 been added).  When I later tested a similar solution, the chlorine dioxide
 concentration had been reduced to nearly 0 PPM.  As people were pushing to
 reach 15 drops three times a day, I was sending emails to Jim Humble telling
 him to cut back on the drops and go to fewer drops more frequently.
 Eventually, many others also reported this to him and he changed the
 protocol.

 The average body can tolerate about 8 drops of MMS mixed according to the
 MMS protocol.  Keep in mind that the MMS protocol is citric acid heavy and
 produces a chlorous acid/citric acid solution with a PH of around 3 or
 lower.  At about 8 drops, there is a high enough concentration of free
 chlorine dioxide that it actually makes it to the stomach or lower GI
 tract.  This is what causes the nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea, which is
 actually a mild form of chlorine dioxide poisoning.  Chlorine dioxide
 doesn't last long inside the body (minutes at most) but quickly breaks down
 to chlorite ions.  The chlorite ion has a half life of around 42 hours in
 rats.  When dealing with chlorine dioxide poisoning, you can expect delayed
 reactions to occur during the first half life reduction.  This is caused by
 the chlorite oxidation reaction, and when the chlorite makes it to the
 lungs, chlorine dioxide can be formed again causing respiratory distress.

 Now when you add sodium chlorite to water and get its PH below about 8, you
 also form a chlorous acid solution, but the activation takes place over
 hours or days.  The stomach acid can kick the activation up a notch, but it
 is still a rather slow reaction.  Roy is adding sodium chlorite to his MSM
 solution and that may actually offer some time release benefit.

 I have spent over 30 years adding anti oxidants to my diet in an effort to
 reduce free radical damage brought on by oxidation within the body.  I have
 a very hard time with the idea of taking an oxidizing chemical daily.  It
 may make sense under special conditions but its effectiveness had better
 been verified for the circumstances.  I view MMS as a broad spectrum
 chemotherapy.  You may not loose your hair, but you most likely will suffer
 some oxidative and free radical damage.

 On the other hand, drinking water with 5-10 PPM available chlorine dioxide
 from sodium chlorite has demonstrated some wonderful results in animals and
 people.  I am working with a research scientist on trying to figure out
 why.  She says that it appears, upon first examination, that for

Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS

David,

Well, this whole thing is one reason the list rules say:

Brief heads-up messages about legislation, regulation, or politics of 
relevance to Colloidal Silver or *important* alternative health issues 
may be posted *occasionally*, with follow-up to be taken off list.

I think I've permitted that one to be stretched just about as far as is 
needed in this case. Anyone who's interested has certainly heard both 
sides of the matter.

Our Off Topic List is available for further discussion, if you don't 
mind receiving a few messages of the Testing, one two three... 
variety while I continue to use that one for a testbed! grin

Thank you for your comments, sir.

Be well,

Mike D.
da list owner guy

 
  SILVER BANNED! That's hype.
 
 
 
 Mike. Its worse than hype. 

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Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.

2010-02-23 Thread MaryAnn Helland

We gotta get rid of those archives  
MA

From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 2:55:36 PM
Subject: RE: CSBarwick's BS about CS.

Now that we have archives, remember that what you post will be there for
a long time. And the archives are not private. Even as we speak, Google
and others have their metacrawlers caching everything in the archives
and what you say will be available to the world. How do you want others
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Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-23 Thread poast

Hello Marshall,

Is is possible to weigh the anode before and after and get an idea of how
much is in the solution?

Once again we are looking at very small measurements, but if you did several
batches between weighing, you may get an agerage.

The may be opptimistic, but could give a ballpark esimation.

Tom

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Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?


 Doing quantitative analysis for silver compounds is really rather easy,
 if you have much silver present. The biggest problem is that at 5-20
 ppm, the quantities are so small, that getting a good weight on them is
 difficult.  It can be done though with a good balance, forget a postage
 scale. These pages might give you some ideas:

 http://dwb4.unl.edu/chemistry/smallscale/SS063c.html
 http://dwb4.unl.edu/chemistry/picts/SS063All.gif

 Anyway, this can be done.

 Add a few drops of hydrochloric acid (muriatic acid should be ok) to the
 mix. Verify that it becomes cloudy. Let the cloudy part settle, and
 decant off the liquid. Dry the power and weight. Take the weight in
 grams and divide by 1.33, that will give you the silver content of the
 precipitant. Now divide that by the amount of water you had in liters
 and multiply by 1,000,000. Add .6 ppm for the dissolved portion, and you
 will now know the amount of ionic silver in ppm in the mixture.

 Now take the same amount of EIS and boil it dry.  Add about 10 drops of
 nitric acid (this must be done in a test tube) and reflux the sides
 while boiling dry again over a flame (or use a flask over a hot plate).
 You now have 100% silver nitrate. Weight this in grams and divide by
 1.575 and that will give you the total silver content. Divide that by
 the amount of water in liters and multiply by 1,000,000 to get the ppm
 of silver.

 Warning, nitric acid is very very toxic, breathing the fumes will
 liquefy your lungs so boiling it must be done under a fume hood.  Don't
 even think of using a venta hood over a stove, it will completely eat
 the metal of the hood and the metal piping to the outside up (if it even
 goes outside).  Fumes are not only toxic, but will destroy any
 electronics you have in area.

 Another way to get the total silver would be to add the hydrochloric
 acid as above, and boil it dry.  Then subtract the amount you got in
 grams in the first part. What remains will be the silver content of the
 colloidal part.  Divide this by the amount of water in liters and
 multiply 1,000,000 for the colloidal part in ppm.

 PS, if you measure everything in micrograms instead of grams, you do not
 have to multiply by 1,000,000 to get the ppm.

 Marshall


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Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.

 We gotta get rid of those archives 
 MA

gravelly voice Use smilies when ya say that, missus!!!

grin

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 a long time. And the archives are not private. Even as we speak, Google
 and others have their metacrawlers caching everything in the archives
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Re: CSResveratrol and Sir2 Research

2010-02-23 Thread Kina Ghos

Dear Mr. Bradley,

Thank you very much for your interesting post on Sir2 and Resveratrol. I
have been buying Resveratrol in powder form from RevGenetics for some time,
mainly because it seems to be the cheapest. I will definitely investigate
Sir2 as per your advice.

I want to thank you for your enormous contribution to human health, not only
in the USA but also all over the world through the Internet. And this, I
know, is in addition to your important contribution in many other fields of
human endeavors.

Your method of homemade Liposomal Vitamin C alone will save many
lives—especially, in the third world from where I come.

I wonder if you or anybody in your team has tried liposomal encapsulation
technology (LET) at home with any other nutrients. I am badly in need of LET
Glutathione. The commercial ones are beyond my reach.

Thank you.

With highest regards,

Wazir


On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Brooks Bradley bradlebro...@gmail.comwrote:

 During a recently-past exploratory
 investigation   on the effectiveness of life-extension via restricted
 caloric intake, we came across some work which greatly excited our
 interest.
 Our investigations had been centered upon Sir2 (a member of the
 sirtuin family of enzymes), which is a known aid in protecting cells
 and delaying cell death.   As early as 2004 several researchers had ,
 successfully,
 established the beneficial effects of overexpressing
 Sir2upon subjects who were following a restricted caloric
 diet.  In the original experiments with flies.life extensions of
 57% were achieved.  Conversely,
 the controls displayed no life extensions.During our
 investigations, we happened upon some work being done on utilizing
 Resveratrol as  a complementary stimulant to supporting  the Sir2
 actions for life extension.
 We were, immediately struck, by the stand-alone effectiveness
 displayed by  Resveratrol.in aiding in the prevention of a number
 of systemic insults---including hearing loss.  However,  it was the
 suppression of angiogenesis
 in cancer evaluations by other research organizationswhich
 commanded our closest attention.
 To shorten this diatribe, I simply
 state that our initial investigations do tend to confirm the
 synergistic effects of Resveratrol with supplementary sources of
 Sir2..to be very substantial.  I include a non-technical
 information flyer by one of many suppliers of Resveratrol to
 provide those not conversant with this area of investigation.at
 all.  Please acknowledge I am not endorsing their products, I have no
 knowledge..at all...of the
 usefulness/applicability of their products.   One can, simply, ignore
 or minimize the commercial hype relating to the peculiar superiority
 of their brand of nostrums.
  I would encourage interested list
 members to conduct a web search on Sir2 and Resveratrol..there is
 much useful information available on the Internet.

  I hope these comments are of value to some list members.

Sincerely,   Brooks Bradley.






 http://www.revgenetics.com/resveratrol/?gclid=CK2zu9eniaACFcth2godUlYOkg


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Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

2010-02-23 Thread poast

Hello Tony,

My first priority is to brew batches with consistent conductivity.  Once I
get that down reasonably well, I will move on to explore the relationship
between conductivity and PPM.

Ode warns that my first goal may be futile, but I may be able to get it down
to a range.  Marshall has some good ideas on measuring PPM by reacting it
with HCl and drying it out.  I will have to play with that and see if my
scales are sensitive enough to make that work.

Tom

- Original Message - 
From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?


 Hi Tom,

 It would be a real boon to have some sort of standard quantitative
 analysis of silver content which could be done in a home lab/kitchen. a
 titration method maybe? which would involve simple reagents and
 glassware.  I think another way would be a colorimetric method or
 turbidity meter kind of thing which would involve test slides or a
 photometer of some sort.

 Do you , or anyone have any thoughts on this?

 In the sticks,
 Tony


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CSMore questions for Tom

Tom, I passed your great information on to the MMS list.  A couple people
had a few questions they asked me to pass on, when you have time to answer. 
TIA, Renee


1)  what type of C, and how much did you use, to activate the sodium
chlorite?  Since we've always been told that C DEactivated MMS, this is
puzzling.  Many people questioned why it would deactivate MMS at the time
since it was an acid, but we just took Jim's word for it.  Some people did
stop the nausea from the 28% AMMS by taking C.  Puzzling.

2) when you talked about using the 5% sodium chlorite solution to clear an
ear infection you said it would be best to 'clean the ear first'.  They were
wondering if you meant with something like h2o2.

3) here's the third question.  It's longer so I will post it as they asked
it:

In one of the messages you forwarded, Tom said:

 The most efficient way to activate sodium chlorite with citric acid
 and form a pure chlorous acid solution, is to use a 1:1 ratio of
 sodium chlorite and 10% citric acid, and let the activation continue
 for 10 minutes.

My question is, why wouldn't a dilute solution of liquid HCl
(hydrochloric acid) be better?

I bought a bottle of food grade 10% liquid HCl from an online supplier,
And was thinking that this would be much better than all of that citric
Acid - especially since most people in the states are already low on HCl
Production...

Someone (on this list) seemed reasonably sure that the 10% liquid HCl
Would also be a 1:1 ratio for activation, but I'm not absolutely certain
That is correct...

Re: CSDiabetes Question

You're very welcome.  Since this is of interest, I'll add what I  
recall:  the work was done in South America -- Brazil perhaps -- and  
claimed that after the therapy,  the Islets of Langerhans  in the  
pancreas  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islets_of_Langerhans) were  
restored, and produced insulin.


The Google search starts here:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=ensafe=offclient=firefox- 
ahs=80Rrls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialei=14uES_iDFYH-7AORj- 
BLsa=Xoi=spellresnum=0ct=resultcd=1ved=0CAcQBSgAq=stem+cell+thera 
py+restores+islets+of+langerhansspell=1



Good luck!NB a Japanese new program some years ago showed a working  
man with severe diabetes, about to have his foot amputated, who  
reportedly greatly reduced his insulin injection requirements by  
drinking several liters of alkaline water per day.   The water is  
popular in Japan, with machines available in all electronic stores.
(The acidic water these machines produce also healed his gangrenous  
foot, and he walked out of the hospital and back to the job.)













On Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010, at 00:39 Asia/Tokyo, Karen and Jerry Conrad  
wrote:



Dear Jonathan
Thank you. I will look further into this. Blessings Karen Conrad
- Original Message - From: Jonathan B. Britten  
jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: CSDiabetes Question


I once read that MDs using adult stem cell therapy have cured  
diabetes, restoring the pancreas to normal condition.  The cells came  
from the patient's nostrils.I have not read follow-up on this  
report and can't vouch for its accuracy.
On Sunday, Feb 21, 2010, at 04:22 Asia/Tokyo, Karen and Jerry Conrad  
wrote:
unfortunately my son has had type I diabetes for 15 years, hopefully  
this info can and will help someone else, Blessings Karen Conrad

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Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?

I've been wondering about this for quite some time, having read on this 
list that ppm  is really a measure of weight, not parts or 
particles. I'll add a layman's question:   is there any scale on 
earth that could measure the difference in weight just by putting one's 
EIS jar on the scale before and after making the EIS? The precision 
would have to be astoundingly high.At those levels, maybe even the 
researcher's breathing would throw the results off.   Still, I wonder.









On Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010, at 01:58 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:

Doing quantitative analysis for silver compounds is really rather 
easy, if you have much silver present. The biggest problem is that at 
5-20 ppm, the quantities are so small, that getting a good weight on 
them is difficult.  It can be done though with a good balance, forget 
a postage scale. 



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Re: CS[List Owner] Etiquette reminder...


Thanks very much for this suggestion.

After a recent weekend I found nearly 400 messages in the Silver List 
folder, and was frustrated that so many were one-liners of the kind you 
mention below -- more than half, I think.   My feeling is that thanks 
messages would be appropriate only when the poster has some kind of 
follow-up comment, or seeks additional information or clarification.


If all members follow this advice,  I'll bet the volume will be cut by 
half or more, and the list reading experience will be much more 
pleasurable.





On Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010, at 01:03 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote:


One liners saying Thank you! Great post! or Me too! and variants
thereof... add very little to the discussion, yet often account for a
large fraction of daily message volume.

Now, I fully understand that our mommas all taught us to be polite.
It's just good manners to be thankful and say so... I'll make two
suggestions:

Send it privately to the one person for whom it really matters to know
you are grateful.

Or, collect up the names of those who've responded to you and send
'batch' thank-yous to the list that acknowledge several at once.



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Fw: CSdeoderant

2010-02-23 Thread Leo Regehr

For years I have used Zinc Oxide powder, mixed with enough water to make a 
paste and smeared on. Works great. Recommended by Hulda Clark.
Leo 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ode Coyote 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 5:50 AM
  Subject: CSdeoderant

 I've been using  around 20% Vit E oil,  80% hemp oil and a dab of 
  spearmint oil mix lately for  deodorantit seems to last for several days.

  Ode

  At 08:17 AM 2/20/2010 -0800, you wrote:
  Dick
 Why not just reduce it to get it stronger?
  As far as the deodorant is concerned I've never had any luck using CS for 
  that but there is a product that deodorises without blocking the normal 
  excretion of toxins ( very good for protecting against breast cancer).  It 
  is called Lavilin. They say it lasts at least a week and through a couple 
  baths.
  I use it every time I shower but it really works, even when I work up a 
  sweat it doesn't smell.
  Dave

  On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Neville Munn 
  mailto:one.red...@hotmail.comone.red...@hotmail.com wrote:
   From this can I assume you were possibly ingesting silver nitrate for a 
   period of time? Yes?/No?/Dunno?

  N.

Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:06:11 -0800
From: mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.comdickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com

So Marshall and all you other experts, let me double check with you 
   about the high voltage arcing -- you are sure that it will produce 
   silver nitrate?

Or perhaps can it also be producing silver ions with extra oxygen? (I 
   know, wishful thinking).

I'm just thinking that I used whatever that produced for several 
   years, and it worked great for preventing illness. Only trouble is the 
   beginnings of argyria in my wife, and blue moons in me.

I guess I'm looking for something to improve on 15-20 ppm low voltage 
   EIS. The reason is that since I went to that a couple of months ago, I 
   have gotten a cold, albeit a mild one, and my wife got that food 
   poisoning after stopping EIS for one week. And we have both noticed that 
   the low voltage EIS does not last very long when we use it for 
   deodorant. The arced stuff, and the silver citrate I just made seem to 
   last 24 hours easily, which makes me think they are much stronger.

Isn't there any way to make a strong EIS without risking argyria? Or 
   is that the tradeoff?

How about H2O2? I haven't really tried that one yet. That will be 
   next, I guess.

Dick

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This isn't exactly what I recall, but may be useful:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/ 
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Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.

2010-02-23 Thread MaryAnn Helland

LOL -- didn't you see the great big grin smiley that I sent with it?  On one of 
my lists they offer an unusual variety of smilies -- which includes one which 
is rolling on the floor, laughing and pounding the floor with skinny arms.  We 
need that one!  :-D
MA 





From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 2:23:20 PM
Subject: Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.

 We gotta get rid of those archives 
 MA

gravelly voice Use smilies when ya say that, missus!!!

grin

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 Now that we have archives, remember that what you post will be there for
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RE: CSWeighing the silver...


I seriously doubt putting the whole kit and kaboodle on a scale would be 
anywhere near accurate enough.  
 
Get a set of scales that read down to 0.something of a gram, or carat and weigh 
the electrode itself.  I got a set of these scales years ago to do exactly what 
you're talking about, but never got round to doing it, the more I read and 
learnt over time the less keen I got on the idea.
 
If one were to weigh the electrode *itself* before, then after production, that 
may give some idea, but I'm still not too sure how accurate it would be in the 
scheme of things, which is another reason I haven't bothered doing it yet.
 
N.
 
 Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:26:38 +0900
 Subject: Re: CSWhich layer of skin for silver deposit?
 From: jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 
 I've been wondering about this for quite some time, having read on this 
 list that ppm is really a measure of weight, not parts or 
 particles. I'll add a layman's question: is there any scale on 
 earth that could measure the difference in weight just by putting one's 
 EIS jar on the scale before and after making the EIS? The precision 
 would have to be astoundingly high. At those levels, maybe even the 
 researcher's breathing would throw the results off. Still, I wonder.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, Feb 24, 2010, at 01:58 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote:
 
  Doing quantitative analysis for silver compounds is really rather 
  easy, if you have much silver present. The biggest problem is that at 
  5-20 ppm, the quantities are so small, that getting a good weight on 
  them is difficult. It can be done though with a good balance, forget 
  a postage scale. 
 
 
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Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.

 LOL -- didn't you see the great big grin smiley that I sent with it? 

Oh. I keep my mailer configured to show me only the plain text.

sigh

 On one of my lists they offer an unusual variety of smilies -- which
 includes one which is rolling on the floor, laughing and pounding the
 floor with skinny arms.  We need that one!  :-D MA 

You poor dear! I'm working right now on the coding to convert all
incoming messages to plain text. I'm afraid the smilies won't survive
that treatment!

I hope you'll forgive me?

Mike D.

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RE: CSWeighing the silver...

Neville wrote:
 I seriously doubt putting the whole kit and kaboodle on a scale would
 be anywhere near accurate enough.  

I recall thinking about this years ago...

If you made a liter of CS at 20 ppm, that would be 20 milligrams of 
silver.

Now, can we measure a change of 20 milligrams on a 4 long piece of 
silver wire? Maybe.

14 gauge wire is 1.628 millimeters diameter, 4 is about 100mm

pi x diameter x length = 1.628 x 3.1416 x 100 = 511 cubic millimeters

... which will be .511 cubic centimeters.

Density of silver is about 10.5 grams per cc:

.511 cc x 10.5 g/cc = 5.37 grams = 5370 milligrams

20 milligrams / 5370 milligrams = .00372 or .372 percent of the 
electrode mass, dissolved into the water.

Now, we need a balance with a resolution of at most 1 milligram and a 
maximum measurement range in excess of 6 grams...

I'm looking at a mettler ae100 that'll read up to 109 grams to the 
nearest 0.1 milligrams... That'd do it. Don't know what it'd cost used. 
Probably a few thousand.

Doable if you've got a decent balance. Your old triple beam probably 
won't do it, though.

Please re-check my math to make sure I didn't drop some zeros anyplace! 
grin

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CSBarwick's BS about CS

2010-02-23 Thread Alchemysa




From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com

David,
Well, this whole thing is one reason the list rules say:

Brief heads-up messages about legislation, regulation, or politics of
relevance to Colloidal Silver or *important* alternative health issues
may be posted *occasionally*, with follow-up to be taken off list.



Yeah, I must read them list rules one day. :)


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